Pardon My Take - NFL Week 13, Fastest 2 Minutes, The Lions Won A Game & Big Ben's Victory Lap

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Starting point is 00:01:54 Welcome to part of my take presented by Tostitos, the official chip and dip of the NFL. Today is Monday, December 6th, week 13. We start in Detroit where Amon Rodog said, what can St. Brown do for you? How about a lion's win in a Jared Walkoff? Kid Brock Wright caught a ball with a ball to bang to bang, diggy diggy diggy said the boogie said a win in the motor city, and we were a week late in roasting the Vikings like a Thanksgiving turkey as the lights are getting simmer on Mike's coaching rain. The Lions win 29 Vikings 27.

Starting point is 00:02:56 What? What? In Atlanta where a must have slipped a falcon's mind to cover Leonard Forget who had 7 catches for 48 yards, Marlins man Davidson took a break from the MLB lockout, short turn interception for a touchdown against Tom Terrific. Chris, tell me all your thoughts on Godwin cause I'd really like Atlanta to cover him had a huge day and Rob Gronkowski, skeet motherfucker, couch, cheesecake, goddamn, goddamn was running open from the window to the wall as the Bucks sweat drips off their balls onto Matt Ryan.

Starting point is 00:03:32 The Bucks started the Vulcan 17. In Cincinnati where Leenan Allen was sipping on the syrup and making the Bengals defense look very drew tranquil, Austin let the band play Eckler added a touchdown against the Bayou Bengals. Speaking of the swamp, the Bengals defense look like they were up to their neck in Larry Lake Ogonjubi and Joe Joe Joe your boat burrow wasn't able to get them out of the deep end. The San Diego Superchargers 41 the Bengals 22. And Houston where Carson Mercedes Wynch took his team out for a Sunday drive, tried to

Starting point is 00:04:15 get the Colts out of their Garfunkel after a tough loss late week as you can call me out, Katie and Muhammad had two sacks and Tex Rex Burkhead was getting wrapped up like a burrito. Mark Davis Mills looked pretty awkward in relief of Tyron Taylor, whose brother Jonathan had two touchdowns in the route, the Colts 31, the Texans, nothing. In Chicago where the star of David Montgomery would like to be the last to wish you a happy Hanukkah as the last bit of oil and Matt Nagy's lamp is hopefully extinguished. We don't discriminate here as Kyler we wish you a Murray Christmas delivered four touchdowns

Starting point is 00:04:54 down the Bears chimney. Cliff Hark the Herald Angels sing glory be to the newborn Kingsbury as the Cardinals rolling as they take down the Bears 33-22 you know that one I crushed that one again it's the long season okay and get off my fucking ass in Las Vegas where Logan Roy Thomas got undercut by corporate raiders Taylor Heinecke aka Brett Farve with a bigger dick had a small word of his own talking about Wendell and Milf Hunter and fro went deep into the crisis and put a dirty film out of Holcomb. The Washington football team is Becky Black with a kick from Brian Johnson to make them

Starting point is 00:05:36 get back to 500. The Washington football team 17 the Raiders 15. In the Meadowlands Gardner Minshew started after they asked Jalen if he was hurt or injured and they determined he had Dallas Scott hurt. Zach only lost the Wilson once this game has met life all did Tom Hanks impressions as the Jets were cast away 33-18. The Eagles took down the Jets hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey,

Starting point is 00:06:14 hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey,

Starting point is 00:06:23 hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey,

Starting point is 00:12:00 hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey,

Starting point is 00:12:37 hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey,

Starting point is 00:13:13 hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey

Starting point is 00:14:30 hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey what the Minnesota Vikings were doing on defense on that last play after a timeout, by the way, which they like collected themselves. They said, hey, we can't let them score a touchdown. Then they sagged off of the receivers and basically let Amon Rah.

Starting point is 00:15:46 Amon Rah, St. Brown. Amon Rah, St. Brown. Equanimous's brother. Sit down in the end zone with no one even close to him. And yeah, it was incredible. I'm happy for Detroit. I'm happy for the Lions. It sucks to go 0-16 or 0-16 in one.

Starting point is 00:16:00 We don't have to tell Lions fans that. So it feels like a monkey off their back. Yeah, it was great to see them win and can't dance on that last play. He looked like he was gonna guard St. Brown running directly towards the corner pile on. Didn't make any sense whatsoever. He gave him a seven yard cushion in the end zone.

Starting point is 00:16:17 It was crazy. It was crazy, crazy defense. The good news for the Lions is you've figured out how to overcome your mistakes now. Because let's be realistic, the Lions are probably always gonna make some mistakes that will cost them games. But if you're good enough to overcome the boneheaded mistakes that you make towards the end of games,

Starting point is 00:16:33 then maybe you might be able to squeeze out one or two here or there. And I'll say something nice about Kirk Cousins because this loss was not on Kirk Cousins. No, you know. Kirk Cousins played as well as you can possibly play and still lose to the Lions. Yes, yes, he did.

Starting point is 00:16:47 And he, you know, like obviously Adam Thielen got hurt. That doesn't really matter. The Vikings played down to their competition. They've done it all year. They slept, walked the first half. They came roaring back. They, you know, the Lions did everything they could try to do to line it away.

Starting point is 00:17:03 And you left too much time and this is what happens. Like, I'm- Jared Goff happens. Jared Goff happens. Jared Goff just happened in your fucking face, Minnesota. I don't, I think this, it doesn't, obviously the Vikings with, when we've talked about ad nauseam, but seven playoff seeds,

Starting point is 00:17:19 like everyone's still alive forever. And the Vikings are still alive. But it feels like they're dead. Because it feels like a double loss. Like you can't be the team to let the Lions win their first game, especially when everyone's talking about how, oh, the Vikings are actually not that bad.

Starting point is 00:17:35 They're, they're in every game. They're, you know, they have a seven point lead in every game. They've won some big games. They beat the Packers. No, no, no, it's, it's over probably for the Mike Zimmer era in Minnesota. It's probably, I don't know what they can do

Starting point is 00:17:48 with Kirk Cousins, but this did feel like the loss that like the point of no return in terms of losses for the Viking. It's stuff for Mike Zimmer that your team had the exact same balance on offense as the Lions did. They had the exact same number of passes, the exact same number of rushing attempts as the Lions. Anytime you can be compared as equal to anything

Starting point is 00:18:06 happening in terms of football strategy with the Detroit Lions, it's probably the death knell for your career at that point. And the crazy thing is, I think the Vikings are still a pretty good football team. Even though they lost to the Lions. The Lions gave them their best shot today. Credit, credit to Detroit for playing

Starting point is 00:18:20 to the top of what they can do. But I still don't think the Vikings are that bad because they beat the Lions at the peak of their power, or they lost the Lions who are at the peak of their powers and wearing the Color Rush uniforms. The all-grays. The all-grays. If I'm Detroit, I bring those bad boys out next week.

Starting point is 00:18:36 Absolutely. Those are gonna be our uniforms for the rest of the year because we won a game in them. Yep, have to, have to. Yeah, no, you're right. The Vikings like, I still don't think they're that bad. And it's a combo of they play in thrilling games. You know a lot of guys on the team.

Starting point is 00:18:50 Justin Jefferson is, I mean, he's what, a top three receiver in the NFL? He was, Adam Thielen gets hurt. And Justin Jefferson is like, you'd think the Lions would be like, all right, we're gonna just take him away. You can't take him away. He ended up with 182 yards on 11 catches.

Starting point is 00:19:06 He's incredible. He had the touchdown that should have been the game-winning touchdown for the Vikings. And I agree with you, they're not a bad team, but they lose games that they should win. And they, like, you are what you are. Like, it's enough to be like, oh, the Vikings, you could play the schedule game with the Vikings.

Starting point is 00:19:25 Where you'd be like, there are a couple plays away from being a really, really good team. Well, really, really good teams make the couple plays and they win the games. Like, that's the difference. They make a play at the goal line and don't let the Lions get their first win in the season. So, no, they're not a really good team.

Starting point is 00:19:41 And you can't be like, oh, there are a few plays away because that's what the good teams do. You know what it is about the Vikings? Why we still, you know, we do know a lot of players on the team, we still think that they're very good is because any time you have a playoff win, I'm gonna remember that you get like a three year buffer after that if you keep like the nucleus

Starting point is 00:19:57 or you just basically have the same quarterback, coach and a couple guys on defense that I remember, I'll be like, yeah, that Vikings seem, they're still really good. They can make some noise in the playoffs. But yeah, I mean, obviously, this is a bad loss for them. Double loss is probably an understatement. I would say this might be like a season ending loss

Starting point is 00:20:16 for the Vikings. Now are the, are the Lions still in the hunt? They just going into today, they were in the hunt. Yeah, I saw that entire, I don't think they're mathematically eliminated yet. Can we do at least the clock of parody where we have every team beating connected to another team now?

Starting point is 00:20:32 Yes, now you officially can't wait to see that. But yeah, the Lions, I don't think they have been officially eliminated. They're still live. They're still live because San Francisco lost. Their record is so, so awesome. 110 and one is such an awesome record. I was laughing.

Starting point is 00:20:47 It's a palindrome. It's a palindrome. Even when they were, no, wait, no, it's not. Yeah, one, ten, one both ways. Well, the ten. No, no, no, that's not a palindrome. Jake, take a lap, Jake, take a lap, Jake, take a lap, Jake. But this is not a palindrome.

Starting point is 00:21:02 One, zero, one is not a palindrome. But the numbers, one, ten, one. I know what you're saying. Again, that's not a palindrome. Okay, I'm wrong, but you see what I'm saying. There we go, there we go. I admit it, I admit it, I'm wrong. And the biggest story coming out of this game

Starting point is 00:21:15 is Jake is wrong, all right. But what's that one? Yeah, one, ten, one. It is, it does sound cool. I think that's what Jake was trying to say. One, ten, one looks and sounds very cool. It is, oh, actually, look at this. That also might be a score gummy for a record.

Starting point is 00:21:30 Has any team ever had a one, ten, and one record before? Probably not. Probably not. I wanted to just quickly just give a shout out because I reached out for comment from a very famous person to see how they felt about it. And they said, it was in our end zone. Felt a lot different since you were sitting next to us.

Starting point is 00:21:50 Got that monkey off our back. I sat through one winless season. I could not do another. I guess to answer your question, relief. And he spelled it R-E-L-E-I-F. So whatever, that's fine. Detroit Don has weighed in. I'm happy for him.

Starting point is 00:22:04 I'm happy for Superfan. I'm happy for the fans, like Lions fans. Because they suck, and we know they suck, and everyone knows they suck, but there's just a difference between, and again, I don't have to tell Lions fans this, going winless and sucking. Like, they are not the worst team in the NFL.

Starting point is 00:22:19 When my power rankings come out, they will not be the worst team in the NFL. I was looking at the point differential. I think there's four teams that are actually worse than the point differential ones. Yeah, because they keep figuring out weird ways to lose games, like the more heartbreaking ways to lose. This would have been a new one, by the way.

Starting point is 00:22:31 If they had lost this, I'm frankly amazed at the creativity that the Detroit Lions as a franchise possess. It kept you on your toes. In terms of figuring out ways that have never been done before to lose games. It's truly incredible. But, hey, you were able to overcome

Starting point is 00:22:47 your own heartbreaking experience today. Don't go into work today. If you live in Detroit, you don't have to go into work. And you're probably a Michigan football fan, so things are looking real up for you. Real good, yeah. Michigan wins, goes to the college football playoff. Detroit Lions win, get their first win of the season.

Starting point is 00:23:04 Baseball's on strike, so you don't have to worry about the Tigers sucking. Well, you have hobby bias now. Oh, there you go. You aren't gonna, so you're gonna at least be fun if you suck. So, yeah, Detroit is on the up and up. Congrats, that's an awesome win, that's an awesome weekend,

Starting point is 00:23:15 an awesome Sunday. Feels good, watch Sports Center, enjoy it. It is the biggest story coming out of this weekend. All right, next game, Chargers-Bengals. God damn it, can I not figure out these two teams? And even inside of the game, it was like the most Chargers-Bengals game because it went, Chargers going up 24-nothing

Starting point is 00:23:36 with the Bengals having a couple terrible gaffes, including Jamar Chase tipping a ball into an interception, which would have been a huge play. Then the Bengals roaring back to make it 24-22, then the Chargers getting a scoop and score to make it, I think it was 31-22, and then next thing you know, you blinked and they were up by two touchdowns and the game was over.

Starting point is 00:23:59 Well, also, when they got that scoop and score, Brandon Staley was gonna go for two. Instead of kicking an extra point, that was the most Brandon Staley move ever to the point where he was being so aggressive that it made zero sense mathematically what he was doing. He just stays aggressive. Usually people, I think that's his thing.

Starting point is 00:24:14 I think he's just an aggressive person, and for the most part, his aggression happens to overlap if you're doing a Venn diagram of killers and then nerds because the nerds see how aggressive he's being, but it always fits into the situations where the nerds would also be aggressive. But they don't know that he doesn't have a restrictor plate on his aggression.

Starting point is 00:24:33 He can be so aggressive. He may be aggressively stupid at times. He went for a fourth and four to start the game, score a touchdown. Like he was like, fuck it, I'm scoring a touchdown. Here's what I'll say, Brandon Staley, he seems reckless at times, but at least he's consistent in his aggression.

Starting point is 00:24:52 He just goes for it. You know what I mean? If you're a fan of the Chargers, you can find solace in the fact that you just know your coach is going to be like balls to the wall, hardcore, all the time. He lives his life 60 seconds at a time. He's like Paul Walker.

Starting point is 00:25:08 And you know what? That dude won a lot of races. Yes, yes he did, and that's all we'll say about that. No, he just goes fucking great. He's the friend who's always up for anything and is gonna do some wild shit, but he's also really fun to have around. Really fun to have around.

Starting point is 00:25:23 Like an awesome dude to have around. The only reason I don't really trust him fully is that he looks a little bit too much like Mayor Pete. I feel like he's always got something going. He does need to add a little bit of weight to his frame, a little muscle to his frame, because he's got, there are some coaches that get fatter as the season goes along.

Starting point is 00:25:39 I think he's getting skinnier. So, and that always worries me, because dude, if you're a football coach, you need to just be eating late night, just gross food and getting fat and fat and fat. Especially. Oh, it was, oh, Julian Edelman told us that they used to call Brian Dabel,

Starting point is 00:25:55 you know, the bowling ball, because he would put on 60 pounds during the season. That's what I want. Easily 60 pounds. Yeah, that's what I want. Especially if you're gonna be coaching the defense, I feel like an offensive minded coach could stay skinny. That's kinda natural, because you wanna be quick,

Starting point is 00:26:08 you wanna look like you're relatively in shape at times, but on the defensive side, if you want those big dudes to respect you, you gotta get inner bulking season. You gotta just be funneling, funneling just, I can't believe it's not butter. Just buy the gallon, chugging it. I think that, I misspoke when I said last week

Starting point is 00:26:25 that the Bengals, well, no, I didn't misspeak. I said the Bengals might be a couple pieces away from going to a Super Bowl. I think the pieces that I was referring to were actually like a pair of hands, because when it comes to turning the ball over, they're not good enough yet to overcome any severe mistakes that they made,

Starting point is 00:26:43 and they made a couple bad ones. And speaking of hands, I mean, Joe Burrow's pinky was fucking huge by the end of the game. Did you ever used to play bloody knuckles in high school? Oh yeah. Coming back from the cafeteria. It was bad.

Starting point is 00:26:54 And your teacher's like, what just happened? It looked like you just punched a cheese grater. Yeah, this game though, these are the two most erratic. I actually saw the stat. They're the most volatile teams in terms of performance, which it makes sense that you see a game that the swings were insane. And the chargers, I can't figure them out.

Starting point is 00:27:12 I won't try to figure them out. I still think they're good. I don't think they're good. I think they're building something good, but right now, but then again, the AFC is wide open. So who the fuck knows? And the Bengals, the same thing.

Starting point is 00:27:24 Every time that you think the Bengals are taking a step forward, they take a huge step back. And one of these teams, it feels like it's not gonna make the playoffs. And we're gonna say to ourselves, like, man, if they had made the playoffs, watch out. Here's what I'll say about the chargers. If they're playing their best game,

Starting point is 00:27:38 their best possible game, nobody can beat them. I think at their peak, they're better than any other team in the NFL. But the problem is they- It doesn't show up very often. It doesn't show up all the time. But when it does fall together, it's a beautiful thing to watch.

Starting point is 00:27:50 Justin Herbert had maybe the best tackle of the year. Yeah, he did. Was it an interception? Justin Herbert also throws the ball so fucking hard all the time. Like, he actually is trying to kill someone on some of these passes where it's like, that fourth and four, they went for four minutes

Starting point is 00:28:05 into the game, he just rifles it in there. Yeah, if you wanna play receiver for the chargers, you definitely have to wear two pairs of gloves. He's gonna knock you out with it. I'm looking right now. Chargers have the Giants next, which you'd assume they're gonna win because now not only is Daniel Jones' neck hurt,

Starting point is 00:28:20 but Mike Glendon has a concussion. So Jake Fromm is potentially gonna play in an NFL game. Holy shit. I'd assume that Daniel Jones will be ready to go, but Jake Fromm has been signed by the Giants and he could be the guy playing against the chargers next. And they play the Chiefs, Texans, which should be a win,

Starting point is 00:28:40 and Broncos and Raiders. So yeah, I mean, the Chargers will make the playoffs. Chargers will make the playoffs. All right, next up. And the Bengals, I feel like they'll be the odd man out, especially, yeah. I think this season's already a win for the Bengals. Yeah, it is, you're right.

Starting point is 00:28:55 I think it's definitely surpassed expectation. I think their win total in Vegas was five and a half going into this year. So good job, Bengals, at the season in today. You'd be very happy. The Bengals seem to be in two games above 500. That's pretty good. Yeah, they have a tough remaining schedule.

Starting point is 00:29:09 And I feel like who knows what the ending will be. The Broncos now are going for a drive to cover a spread, which is going to end in a Teddy Bridgewater tackle short of the first down line. Okay, you know what? The green zone, though, at Arrowhead, looks way better. It's like a nicer shirt and green than it does any other stadium.

Starting point is 00:29:29 Very, very green. All right, next up, Eagles Jets. So Gardner Minshew is officially back. Very happy for him. You saw the video afterwards. I'm just looking right now. They both might make the playoffs, by the way. Because right now, if the playoffs started,

Starting point is 00:29:44 the Chargers and the Bengals would both be in. Six and seven, which actually makes perfect sense. All right, so Eagles Jets, Gardner Minshew's back. Very happy for him. That post game with his dad, that video, you can just see the guy loves football. It's great that he got another shot. He made a lot with it because he tore up the Jets.

Starting point is 00:30:03 You had Robert Salah losing his mind on the sidelines. He's showing that I'm just frustrated to be coaching this team part of the season for him. Also the most remarkable point of the game was we didn't have the Jets and the Eagles on TV because we had the Red Zone on, so they didn't make the cut of the other five TVs. So we asked Billy, what's going on in the game?

Starting point is 00:30:26 And he was like, the Jets are winning. And then he came back like 30 seconds later, he was like, actually the Jets are losing 27-18. Well, that's a major difference. I understand it because if you just happened to walk by a TV when this game was on and you only had two seconds to figure out who was the Jets and who was the Eagles, you would have gotten it wrong.

Starting point is 00:30:43 I mean, because the Jets were wearing black jerseys, right? And green helmets. Yeah, it's a green ball. It was very tough to figure out. And I love watching Gordon Mitchell. He's the easiest quarterback to root for if you don't have a dog in a fight. Like when he pops up just a couple of weekends each season,

Starting point is 00:31:00 you want to root for the guy. Absolutely. He absolutely loves football. He's a great guy to root for. It's nice. He's a perfect quarterback to have pop up because like a nice little mid-season distraction. Just like a flare-up.

Starting point is 00:31:10 He's like, when South Park has a Randy Marsh episode where it does just a Randy storyline for one week, doesn't have anything to do with the rest of the season, but you get to watch Randy hop around on his giant nuts. That's where it's like watching Gordon Mitchell play. Yeah, it's nice to see him out there. He had a really good game and he threw the ball well. Billy, what do you think about the Jets?

Starting point is 00:31:29 Zach Wilson actually wasn't terrible. He had one pick that was kind of bad, but he threw one. Oh, that's Mr. I.N.T. Yeah, but he was actually one of his best showings. Best starts of his career without the pick. Mine's the pick. This game also had six, even with the pick.

Starting point is 00:31:43 The first six drives resulted in a touchdown, which is very fun. Wait, was his pick on third down? No. So not a point. It's still kind of a point. Close to a point. It was like a 20-yard pick.

Starting point is 00:31:54 It could have been like... Was it second down at least? I think so. Okay, so pretty much a point. The Jets season is in full-on, just hope that Zach Wilson shows progress mode, which is not a terrible place to be, because you just drafted him

Starting point is 00:32:07 and you hope he shows progress. Like, I don't know, if you're a terrible team, and this is speaking from my team is terrible right now, you hope either your guy is showing progress or you're about to draft someone who's going to be really, really good. Those are the two remedies. Otherwise, you're just stuck in the mid-zone

Starting point is 00:32:27 where you're like, this kind of sucks. All you want right now is to go into this next draft and not have to even think about using one of your two first-round picks on a quarterback. If you're like, I think we have our guy that we can build around. That's a good place to be. They can't, they won't.

Starting point is 00:32:38 They won't, they won't. No, they won't. Well, silver lining is at least in this draft, there probably won't be any quarterbacks that will be taken in the first five picks. You know what they'll do? This feels like the Jets drafting two offensive linemen in the first 10 picks to be like,

Starting point is 00:32:53 now we've got it all figured out and they both suck. Now, Gettelman's going to trade and then take those two linemen that the Jets were going to take. Yes. Then the Jets will be pissed off and not be able to get their pick in in time because they got dropped. They'll take a safety, yeah.

Starting point is 00:33:04 A blitzing safety. Yeah, well, this kind of sucks. They're going to take the pick that they got for Jamal Adams and draft Jamal Adams replacement. Maybe a tight end, just those last pieces. But yeah, the Eagles are back in it. Big win for them.

Starting point is 00:33:18 Big win, especially with Jalen Hertz getting hurt. And I think, I don't know, let's let Gardner Minshew just roll with it for a minute. You don't want to face him next week. I don't think that you can take Gardner Minshew out right now. You don't want to face him next week. You're facing him next week.

Starting point is 00:33:32 No, no, we have the Cowboys next week. Oh, the Eagles have a buy. Wow, these buys are way too late. So this probably is Gardner Minshew's last start. They're probably going to put Hertz back in. And I think Hertz is playing really well. They figure out how to use them. The offense does look different with Gardner in it though.

Starting point is 00:33:49 Yeah, yeah, because you can throw the ball. He was 20 for 25. Mike Leach told us, you can't teach accuracy. Gardner Minshew's an accurate quarterback. All right, next up, Dolphins Giants. The Jake Marsh prediction of the Dolphins getting very hot and getting back in the race is now almost fully complete. Buy, then one more, home against the Jets.

Starting point is 00:34:12 Jets, yes. So I would say this buy is coming at a bad time for the Dolphins. Yeah, they're hot. You don't want this. You're going to cool off this week. Yeah, we got the Jets. I have a couple of stats I want to throw out there.

Starting point is 00:34:21 So the Dolphins' defense is playing incredible. The last five games, they've given up 55 points total. So 11 points a game. Incredible. Tua has been awesome. And someone in passing, I can't remember who said it while we were watching the games, that Tua, it basically as soon as Deshaun Watson,

Starting point is 00:34:41 like the trade deadline passed and he didn't have to look over his shoulder, he's been great. So I had Ebo go look it up. Before the trade deadline, Tua this year was one in three, 66% passing, seven touchdowns, five interceptions. After the trade deadline, he's been four and oh, five touchdowns, one interception, 78% completion percentage.

Starting point is 00:35:02 So yeah, maybe like not having to answer questions every week of whether or not you're going to get traded or not be the quarterback of this team. Maybe that helps take a weight off your shoulder and he's playing a lot better. And that fake he did was fucking awesome. For the people who are not part of the Tuanan, which I now proudly can consider myself a part

Starting point is 00:35:23 of the Tuanan, go watch that fake. He faked everyone out, he sold it so well. I like Tua. Where we go when we go all. Yeah. Storm's coming. Yes, here it is. That Jaguar is lost in London.

Starting point is 00:35:37 I can't wait until JFK Jr. is coaching the Dolphins. Because then we will go to the next level folks. Hell yeah. I also think that their defense obviously has a lot to do with the Dolphins. Yeah, no, he's been awesome. Because even when he said like he's playing a lot better after the break, completion percentage is really good.

Starting point is 00:35:53 But still I think he's, you said he's only thrown like five touchdowns. Yeah, no, but they're not asking him to do a ton. Yeah, he's doing great though. But he's not making mistakes. You're doing great, sweetie. Yeah, no, I'm a Tuba believer. The pass that he had in the corner,

Starting point is 00:36:07 where he like looked his receiver off, looked his receiver off, and then found him at the very last second. That was sweet. That was a next level play. As Ron Jaworski would say, that's a professional throw. Yes. He can make in the national football league.

Starting point is 00:36:20 You have to be able to make professional throws and Tua can do it right now. He was 30 for 41 today. That's what I was most impressed about with Tua. Yeah. 34, 41, that doesn't sound like a Tua stat line. No. That's like an actual NFL quarterback set.

Starting point is 00:36:32 That sounds like a decent college happy hour price beer stat line. But he's actually, he's completion percentage is crazy. Like in the last four games, he's been very, very efficient, not making mistakes. I don't know, I like Tua. I like Tua. And it also, the Teele,

Starting point is 00:36:47 like when he's starting to play well, the Teele looks fucking awesome. Teele pops on him for sure. And yeah, the Dolphins, I don't know if they'll get enough to make the playoffs, but I guess the only downside is, if you're the, if you're a Dolphins fan, is like being the team that perpetually just builds

Starting point is 00:37:04 on the end of the season, and then you're like next year, it's going to be awesome. Yeah. No, Brian Flores, coach of the year. Yeah. At the end of the season, like we, we play our best ball after we're mathematically eliminated. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:37:15 Which they're not. No, but they, they do, they look like a very competent football team. They're a team that can definitely beat any bad team right now. The Giants without Danny Dimes are not a good team. It's actually the, the best thing for Giants fans is getting a little dose

Starting point is 00:37:29 of Mike Lennon every now and again to just remind you, you didn't know how good you had it. Yeah. With Danny Dimes when Glennon is, is out there. God is really like a fucked up, has a fucked up sense of humor when you have Daniel Jones have a neck injury and then you bring in Mike Glennon. Yeah. And then he had, then they don't, yeah.

Starting point is 00:37:42 Exactly. Their injuries should have been. Yeah. Jake, you gotta stop. Reverse on each other. You're killing me. Also. It's cold in here for anyone who knows.

Starting point is 00:37:51 Jake's cold. So his, his sinuses are acting up. I think he's back on the new spray. And Billy's part dog. Jake's on the junk. It's, it's Billy's part dog. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:38:01 The Giants are, you, you need Daniel Jones and Joe Judge though, like whatever. I'm, I'm not done with the Giants. Take one. It's gotta be so frustrating to root for two if you're a Giants fan because he was so, so good when he was a rookie, when he was literally all that you had. And now he just gets the ball and I don't know if he forgot

Starting point is 00:38:20 how to play running back, but he, he always pulls out these jukes that it makes it look like he's got invisible basketball that he's dribbling around. He does like these weird spin moves. He does like Kyrie does like a Euro step with a ball sometimes. He crosses people up. And you know how Kyrie and, and Steph Curry does this

Starting point is 00:38:35 sometimes too, you get into the key and then you just jump up in the air and you do a 360 layup. That's what it looks like. Sekhwan's doing sometimes running through the line of scrimmage with the ball and never works. I don't know if he, I feel like he probably has lost some confidence in his own body, like in his legs and in his feet from being injured so much,

Starting point is 00:38:54 but he doesn't look like the same Sekhwan that we saw as a rookie. Yeah. I mean, the thing with Sekhwan is like, he always has been kind of the guy who gets stuffed a lot and then it hits a home run. So if the home runs aren't there, it doesn't look great. I love you. That was what he was at Penn State too.

Starting point is 00:39:09 He's like, get stuff, get stuff, then hit a fucking incredible play that was like, holy shit, this guy's special and he is. Yeah. I love using analogies from other sports to talk about different sports. He's the Adam Dunn of running backs. Yes. Strike out, strike out, strike out, dinger. Dinger. Yep.

Starting point is 00:39:24 I just look, the Dolphins, as good as they're playing and they've climbed almost all the way back to 500, they're still like on that ledge because they are the 13th team in the AFC right now. And then it falls off a cliff, goes to the Jets, the Texans and the Jaguars. So it's gonna still be tough for them to make the playoffs, but they're building something.

Starting point is 00:39:46 We can't hate on them building something. No, six and seven is not bad. Yeah. All right. Next up, Bucks Falcons. Okay. Well, let's start with the Bucks. It's like Tom Brady, everyone said a million things about him, but I think the thing, oh thank you, Jake, the thing that is craziest about Tom Brady is just how he like game to game

Starting point is 00:40:11 can just use different receivers and be like, that guy's just gonna go off today because that's what the defense is giving me. Chris Goblin have 15 catches today. Chris Goblin has been like an afterthought at points in this Bucks run, this two year Bucks run. Letter Four had seven catches. Like Gronk still had his two touchdowns in the red zone.

Starting point is 00:40:29 It's just you can't, there's nothing you can do when they have this many weapons and Tom Brady is also not gonna force it to anyone and be like, I'm just gonna make, I'm just gonna hit the guy who's open. Chris Goblin's open 15 times, he's getting the ball 15 times. Do you think Tom Brady singles out the guy that's gonna be his guy that week

Starting point is 00:40:45 and it was like that in New England too. For like any game, somebody was liable to go off, like it would be Algie Crumpler or whoever would manage to go off for like 11 catches out of nowhere. It's crazy, every single week, something else to kill you some other way and this is also the Bucks are starting to round into that form of, oh shit, this team is really, really good.

Starting point is 00:41:06 Their defense still is a little suspect at times but they handled the Falcons pretty easily and the pick six was really the only thing that kept the Falcons in it and they did try very, very hard to cover the spread the Falcons did. That last play with two seconds left, what a thriller. Shout out to Falcons for at least trying

Starting point is 00:41:26 but you should have covered that spread. So the Bucks threw the ball 51 times and ran at 17 and they came out looking like they were gonna run the ball zero times throughout the game. The Bucks are good enough on offense where they can do that. They can do anything. Like if you have Tom Brady as your quarterback, you can basically treat his arm

Starting point is 00:41:43 like it's another running back because he's not gonna miss on the short throws and he's gonna be super accurate and you're gonna be able to control the clock that way. On defense, I still think Bucks are suspect on defense. Yeah, no, their secondary is a problem. Their secondary is an issue and they get run on at times.

Starting point is 00:41:58 Yeah, Corridor Paterson actually had a really good first half. Corridor Paterson is so good, he ran on the Bucks defense which is like no one does that. Jonathan Taylor, they stopped, the Colts gave up with Jonathan Taylor last week. Corridor Paterson who's not even a natural running back was able to get, I think he had like 70 yards in the first half.

Starting point is 00:42:14 So football plays an offensive weapon. I have a fun stat for you. So I went down a little bit of a rabbit hole because I saw that Brady and Gronk are now second all time in regular season touchdown connection. So they have 90, second all time. So I was like, well, who's first? First, do you wanna take a guess?

Starting point is 00:42:33 Cherry Rice. No, I thought too, but it's actually, he split like pretty evenly. Marvin Harrison? Yeah, Marvin Harrison and Peyton Manning. Marvin Harrison and Peyton Manning have 112 regular season touchdown connection. Marvin Harrison, how many playoff touchdowns

Starting point is 00:42:48 does Marvin Harrison have? He has 112 touchdowns for Peyton Manning in the regular season. He has 128 career touchdowns in the regular season. Okay. Three. I'm gonna say two. Two.

Starting point is 00:43:03 Yeah. He has two. It's crazy, that's a crazy stat. Yeah. Again, this is like a total veer off the road stat but he had 16 playoff games career. And guess what? The two came in the same game.

Starting point is 00:43:13 So he had 15 career playoff games where he didn't score a touchdown. A guy who had 128 career regular season touchdowns. That's wild. I'll just speak up for Hank on this one. It's because the Colts would always choke in the playoffs. He didn't play in that many post-season games. He played 16.

Starting point is 00:43:26 Yeah. That's a full season. Yeah. Isn't that crazy? Cause like that's 112 regular season touchdown connection with Peyton Manning and then having two in the playoffs. That's nuts. It is nuts.

Starting point is 00:43:36 And Gronk was saying, did you see his press conference after the game? No. He was talking about like how things have changed for him as he's gotten adjusted to playing in Tampa Bay in that system. And he was like, in our first training camp I was like counting the number of receptions

Starting point is 00:43:48 I was getting and the number of touchdowns I was getting and pre-season I was counting. Like how many catches I would have per game, how he targets. And then bottom left, which told me like, hey Gronk, you shouldn't worry about counting. You're not good at counting. You should worry about playing football. And Gronk was like, that's a good idea.

Starting point is 00:44:03 Yeah. I'm going to stop counting and I'm going to start playing football. It's a fair division of labor as Mike Tomlin would say. Yes. To have Gronk not worrying about math. Yes. Absolutely.

Starting point is 00:44:13 Let's not sweat the hard stuff here. No. All right. So the Falcons, they are what they are. They're like good enough to beat the bad teams and bad enough to get smoked by the good teams. I... They're a self-hating bad team.

Starting point is 00:44:26 Yes. They will beat other bad teams that are exact. Other teams that play against non-Falcons teams in the same manner that the Falcons would play against non-Falcons teams. The Falcons smoke those teams. Does that make sense? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:44:39 They beat teams that are constructed in similar fashions to the Falcons, but they can't beat anybody better than the Falcons. They're like the Alpha at a small liberal arts college. Yes. And then they go to the big state school and it's like, you're not that cool. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:44:51 No one likes you here. Right. That wasn't... That wasn't erected at anyone. It was like, dude, don't play your guitar on the quad here. That wasn't erected at anyone. But that is how it is. It's like big fish, small pond.

Starting point is 00:45:02 And then they go in the ocean and they get swallowed up by everyone else. And then they go home and then they're like, man, nobody likes me at school. Yeah. And then they just start working for their dad. Yes. Yes.

Starting point is 00:45:12 See, that's not you. That's not you. That's not you. That's really not you anymore. He just veered off. So I was thinking about Matt Ryan. I don't think he's done, because he's actually played pretty well this year,

Starting point is 00:45:23 especially considering the fact Calvin Ridley is taking a leave of absence. Julio Jones obviously goes to Tennessee. He doesn't have anyone. They don't have a running game. I'm gonna float this out there. What about, because Matt Ryan, let's be honest, like he's still okay,

Starting point is 00:45:40 but he needs a really good offensive line, because he gets sacked and he doesn't have any mobility. Matt Ryan next year going home to Philadelphia, kind of perfect. I don't know about that. Yeah. I don't think that the Eagles would really go for Matt Ryan. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:45:56 I don't think that. You just like it because you love a homecoming. So as we all do. As we all do. I'm coming home, yeah. Hollywood would slit your throat if you suggested that to them. They have a good offensive line.

Starting point is 00:46:05 They have some weapons. I don't know what they're gonna do with Jalen Hurts. I think, I don't know what they're gonna do with Jalen Hurts. I think that the Eagles. I'm just floating it out there. The Eagles offensive plans at the quarterback position do not rely on getting like a 37 year old quarterback. And they've got two guys right now on the roster

Starting point is 00:46:22 that I could see them taking into next year. And then they're gonna have like. That was, it was just one game from Gardner-Minshew against the Jets. I'm saying too, he'd be a great backup. Yeah. Yeah, no, he's a backup, but I'm saying like, okay, you're not gonna draft someone.

Starting point is 00:46:34 Probably. Why not? They might. They might. They might fix it. I don't think that they're gonna try to like build something around that run. It's not build something around them.

Starting point is 00:46:42 It's like a Phil Rivers year where it's like, hey, let's see what happens this year. We have enough still left in this offensive. Cause their offensive line is very, very good. I'll buy it. But there's pieces of it are getting old. So it's like, let's fucking throw it all in for one last run here with a quarterback

Starting point is 00:46:59 who's done, you know, big things before. I'll buy it. If you can show me one small connection to Nick Siriani. I don't care how tenuous the connection is. Maybe they like, maybe their uncles grew up and played on the same high school football team together. If there's a connection there in Philadelphia, then I'll buy it.

Starting point is 00:47:13 Then I'm actually all in on it because it seems like that's how things get done in Philadelphia. Okay, you're right. You're right. I'm gonna try to find one. Someone find this one. Someone find us a connection between Nick Siriani

Starting point is 00:47:23 and Matt Merritt. Because I'll get behind it 100% if that's there. I'm all in. Nick Siriani was the quarterback coach for Phil Rivers. I'm just saying, like he's dealt with mobile quarterbacks who still have a little pep in their arm. Just throwing it out there. Do you think that maybe Matt Ryan's playing

Starting point is 00:47:39 so well this year because the locker room attendants are stealing the defensive game plans from the opponents? Yes. Oh, do we ever find out? Did Brady's jersey, is it intact? Is it stolen? I think it's intact. Okay, all right.

Starting point is 00:47:50 Actually, the follow-up, the guy got fired. Oh, he did? Yeah. Because you knocked on him? Yeah. Sorry. That's okay. That's not a big deal.

Starting point is 00:47:58 Who cares? A guy named Landon Bromley. He has a list of top 10 biggest losers in the NFL, both Matt Ryan and Nick Siriani are on there. Oh, wow. That's a star. That's a big way. This is a random guy?

Starting point is 00:48:11 Yeah. Did you just put it on Twitter? Give us the whole list. Give us the whole list. That's exceptional. Wait, Jake, is this an order or is this just a list? I don't think it's an order. Okay, all right.

Starting point is 00:48:20 I typed in Nick Siriani, Matt Ryan on Twitter, and Landon Bromley's tweet tops. Okay, this is, that actually is more of a connection than you, like, because Matt Ryan has not lost. Like, he's won. My, I would imagine he's winning percentages is above 500. And also, Nick Siriani has been around for basically a cup of coffee in terms of the NFL.

Starting point is 00:48:42 No, what this list is. This guy put them both on there. This is like losers, like we use the word losers. Like, this guy has to work. Guys, you need it. All right, give us the list. Give us the list. Yeah, so number one, I got no order.

Starting point is 00:48:53 Mason Crosby, Matt Ryan, Bill's Mafia, Jalen Mills, Nick Siriani, New York Yankees. Okay, this is a great list. I like this guy. Jalen Mills. Twice? Twice? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:49:08 This is enough of a connection for me. I quote Schittsburg Steelers, and quote, grossed. Ruffing the pass rule, and Kevin King. I mean, that's it. This is a remarkably good list. That's an incredible list. Landon Bromley.

Starting point is 00:49:23 I'm also shocked that we haven't had this as a segment before. Top 10 losers in the NFL. But the fact that Nick Siriani and Matt Ryan both made this list, and you had, you know, what, 20% of it was filled by Jalen Mills. 30% of it was filled by Jalen Mills and a baseball team. And they still, he still got Nick Siriani.

Starting point is 00:49:43 I think that's enough of a connection. This is working for me. Like if Matt Ryan goes and has an interview with the Eagles, Nick Siriani, he should bring it up and be like, hey, you see that? What's his name? Landon Bromley. Do you see Brandon Bromley?

Starting point is 00:49:56 Yeah. Brandon Bromley's list? And he's like, yeah, I did. We're two of the biggest losers in the NFL. We're Bromley survivors. That's a bond that's forged in fire. And I do think that Matt Ryan would look definitely at home in the Eagles uniform,

Starting point is 00:50:10 in that Kelly Green. I'm just throwing out this. It's just fun to think about these things. I'm just saying, like he's clearly not dead. He's not done, but the Falcons are not in a place where he should be their quarterback next year. You know what I mean? So we're like similar to a Phil Rivers,

Starting point is 00:50:25 similar to the end of the career of Brett Farve or like one of these guys like, hey, where can he go? That maybe he can have one or two more years that a team that feels like they're a competent quarterback away from being decent. The Eagles definitely fit that bill. Although again, I don't know what they're doing with Jalen Hurts because he's shown flashes.

Starting point is 00:50:42 Matt Ryan would be such a good fit in Philadelphia, I think because he's just of that age where he's obviously super sackable, probably liable to get a shoulder sprain and then let Gardner Minch, you come in for like two weeks. You like the world on fire, then go back. Yeah, or have Jalen Hurts, like Matt Ryan and Jalen Hurts can split snaps.

Starting point is 00:51:00 You could do a little change of pace. So you don't have to put any more miles on them. That actually would be, yeah, there we go. We figured out the Eagles for you. We just did their job. Shout out to Eagles fans. Got a lot of Eagles fans treating me last week because we mentioned that Jalen Rieger was drafted

Starting point is 00:51:15 the pick before Justin Jefferson, just so you know, it's not all that bad. Justin Jefferson, what do you have today? 198 yards? Something like that, yeah. He had 100. He also lost the line. Oh no, 182 yards.

Starting point is 00:51:26 So Jalen Rieger, what, he had 175 yards less? That's not that bad. That's not too bad. He had one catch for seven yards. You won. Yeah. You beat the Jets, you didn't lose the lines. And also, he had one target, one catch.

Starting point is 00:51:40 So that's 100%. 100% catch rate. 100%. Is Randy Moss taking his calls? I don't know, I do feel bad. I got a lot of Eagles fans hitting me up. They're like, yeah, that's the first thing I think about every single morning.

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Starting point is 00:53:00 I have a few quick notes and then you can just add whatever. But the Bears suck, the Cardinals are good. Andy Dalton's still a nice guy, even though his receivers didn't help him, but he also sucks. And I want to kill myself every single time Matt Nagy does a post game press conference saying we got to find the wise. Also, the highlight of this game was that fan

Starting point is 00:53:21 in the 400 level who was in just an all time fight with his poncho and couldn't find the hole, which if that's ever happened to you, it feels like you're dying and you can't get out. So I think he's okay, but also if he's not, at least he doesn't have to watch the Bears for us this season. Getting lost in your shirt is something

Starting point is 00:53:39 that I could actually see Matt Nagy doing. Yeah, oh yeah. I could see Matt Nagy actually suffocating, trying to put on a sweater. I'm just, it's whatever. Next week, for anyone who wants me to be truly sad, next week, I think we're gonna try to get our shit together and we're gonna tape the show while we watch Bears Packers.

Starting point is 00:53:59 So you'll get instant reaction of just, that's a war crime from the NFL on all of Chicago. That's a war crime they didn't flex at all. It's not a war crime on Chicago, it's a war crime on the entire country for having to watch the Bears in prime time. No, I think the NFL knows exactly what they're doing because they're like, okay, well,

Starting point is 00:54:18 it could be a competitive game. That would be cool for ratings. And if it's not, the Bears and Fire Nagy will be trending for four hours and everyone will be talking about us on Twitter. Aaron Rodgers is gonna do some new mean thing to you. It's gonna, you're gonna hear it live on this show. You know what?

Starting point is 00:54:32 Aaron Rodgers is probably gonna have something written on his undershirt. You know how football players do that sometimes when they score a touchdown? You mean football? And they lift it up? Yeah. I've seen it a few times.

Starting point is 00:54:41 He's gonna have like, fuck big cat written on his stomach. He's gonna lift his shirt up and it's gonna be an all time. It's a war crime. The schedules are committing war crimes. The schedules are committing war crimes. It's like a 1% chance that Aaron Rodgers actually has a direct message to you written on his body.

Starting point is 00:54:56 Like, he's probably gonna have a cartoon of him butt fucking you. He's gonna have a tattoo and his belly button's gonna be your butthole and it's gonna be Aaron Rodgers just having his way with you. The Bears suck. That's what I'm hoping for. The Bears suck.

Starting point is 00:55:08 Just for the podcast. The Bears are not worth the time talking about because Matt Nagy told you everything he needs to tell everyone with his chicken shit football at the end of the half, the Bears were running the ball. Well today, four yards of carry. David Montgomery's awesome.

Starting point is 00:55:21 And they did the old 50 yard line, try to get him offside, get a penalty and then punt. You fucking loser. I love that. You guys are losers. Matt Nagy, you're a fucking loser. When the most aggressive play call that you have during a game is a fake snap

Starting point is 00:55:37 to try to draw another team offside. They're doing all time. They're just chicken shit. And Matt Nagy was so wet today. He was the wettest coach. He's overtaken Mike Vrable as being the most depressed wet coach in the NFL. Did you see him?

Starting point is 00:55:47 Yeah. That's really hard to do, to become the wettest coach when you don't have any hair. Yeah. Well, he had a hat on. He had his little hat on. He's just a glossy little soggy boy. Here, I'll say something nice about Matt Nagy.

Starting point is 00:56:00 Here we go. He actually looks like he's wearing the losses because he looks very bad and it's gotten worse and worse. So I appreciate that. I appreciate that he is owning part of the blame and you know what? Let's just keep searching for the wise guys, all right?

Starting point is 00:56:16 Let's find those wise. That might be the most annoying coach speech. He does it all the time. We gotta find the wise. We gotta find the wise. The wise is you fucking suck and your team sucks because you suck. I think Matt Nagy watches precisely one

Starting point is 00:56:31 of those Ted Talks a week. And but he completely fails to grasp the meaning of it. But he reads as he's watching it and totally tuning out, thinking about how he's gonna fuck up the next game plan. He does manage to read the headline, like the title of the YouTube video. And then he tries to translate that into a message and everyone's like, oh God, here comes Matt

Starting point is 00:56:49 on one of his weird shit things again. He watches Gary Vee right before he comes out and gives his press conference. He's like, all right, could you imagine if, like imagine for a second, you kill the entire ability to pass in a football game. How does that make you feel? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:57:05 Before every game I close my eyes and I picture that all of you are dead. And then I try to figure out how I'm gonna win a game with no players. And that's how I, and that's why I call plays that are just fake snaps. Yeah, yeah. I imagine the entire defense has self-combusted

Starting point is 00:57:20 and we're playing against air and we still take too many men on the field or delay game penalty. All right, that's enough. No, there was another part that I thought was pretty funny. Well, this is more of an after the game thing. The Cardinals tweeted out the picture of the being in Chicago.

Starting point is 00:57:34 But it was just a vibrator. Well, it was an L. It was an L. And the subway system is the L. Yeah, but it was. You could have just, that was a Clontonio Brown moment for them. Yes, but it was just a vibrator.

Starting point is 00:57:45 Yeah. Like that's all it was. It was a silver bullet and it was, it was graphic, but I don't think that they, No. No one on the cards. They failed.

Starting point is 00:57:53 They didn't know what they were doing at all. I can't even say anything because like we suck and they're good and the Cardinals are good. The Cardinals are a legitimate Super Bowl contending team. I'll say that Andy Dalton has moved back into the pantheon of quarterbacks. Can I say pantheon or is that trademark?

Starting point is 00:58:08 No, go for it. Okay, but into the pantheon. Pyramid. Yeah, and the pyramid level of quarterbacks that when you, when they throw the ball, you just immediately tense up. You're like, fuck. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:58:17 Like this is going to be bad. A bad thing is about to happen when the ball's in there. And it's, And that's such a painful thing to have if it's your team that you're watching. Cause there are two kinds of quarterbacks. There's a quarterback where it's like a, God damn it, this is going to be bad

Starting point is 00:58:27 when they release the ball. And then there's a quarterback where they throw a pass and you're excited about it. You're like, this is going to be a touchdown. No, and he doesn't even, the worst part is he does it with confidence. Like he will, he will like plan his feet, throw. He had to play action pass where it was like boom, boom,

Starting point is 00:58:43 on time, throws the ball. Oh, there's six cardinals around. Like what is going on? So whatever. All right, let's move on. Also, Cliff Kingsbury pulled a very smart move to that. He ran, he claimed that he ran into a photo. I think that's their defensive tackle photo.

Starting point is 00:58:58 He claimed he ran into his helmet and that's why he had a bloody lip after the game. That's a herp, Cliff. That's smart. We know that's a herp. That's very, very smart. Pro move. Yeah, Schefter will tweet it out for you,

Starting point is 00:59:08 that you actually needed reconstructive surgery or something. No, Schefter will. While you were negotiating your contract with Oklahoma. No. Even though they hired Brent Venable. Schefter will do a hip of violation on you. And be like, yep, Cliff Kingsbury just received

Starting point is 00:59:20 a six month prescription for Valtrex. Shout out to that one guy, by the way, when I was clowning Schefter for his report that Cliff Kingsbury was talking to Oklahoma, who was like, if you're wrong about this, will you retract? No, because I was never going to be wrong about this. Cliff Kingsbury was never going to get hired by Oklahoma.

Starting point is 00:59:38 That was the most, you could see through that tweet from a mile away. Well, the funny thing is, I don't think that Oklahoma would want Cliff Kingsbury. He wasn't a good college coach. Yeah, exactly. He wasn't good in the big 12. No.

Starting point is 00:59:48 They played each other all the time. He had Patrick Mahomes. They got to see Cliff Kingsbury coach up close, all the time. And he's coaching well this year. And I can't say anything bad about the Cardinals because they are a very good team and Kyle is back. All right, let's move on.

Starting point is 00:59:59 Because I'm already mad that we spent this much time talking about the Bears. They're so not worth it. All right, Colts Texans, oh, what a game. All right, so this is very funny to me because, well, first of all, the first time these two teams played this year was 31 to three.

Starting point is 01:00:13 Now it's 31 to zero. So they're regressing. So they're regressing a little bit. They've lost three points of offense. But I was trying to do some research on this game afterwards because there's not a lot to talk about. It was just, I've done some as well.

Starting point is 01:00:24 This was a whooping, another whooping that the Colts put on on the Texans. And I was looking at the different articles that were being written from the Texans media because if you're the Texans, what do you have to write about at this point? Thoughts and prayers to those guys. This is like garbage time.

Starting point is 01:00:38 You guys are getting blown out and you've got some sad punts of your own. So I found a sad punt of an article from the Houston Texans. Okay. Trying to find the silver lining in anything. Here's a list of four teams that would be better if they had the Houston Texans defense. So they're just being like,

Starting point is 01:00:56 hypothetically, our defense isn't God awful. Right. Like they're pretty bad, but they're better than some teams. So they started to list the reasons why they were good. And they said that the Texans even got a fumble recovery against the Colts despite the loss day.

Starting point is 01:01:13 They did. They did. They said Houston entered the league with the eighth most tackles for loss with 55. So they have 55 tackles for losses. That's huge. But they still do give up 4.5 yards per carry, which is one of the most in the NFL.

Starting point is 01:01:26 But it just so happens they play against a bunch of teams that are heavily running the ball because they're kicking the shit out of the Texans in the second half. So you can get a one yard loss here and there. So they made a list. They said four defenses that would be better if they had the Texans defense.

Starting point is 01:01:41 They said the Falcons would be a better team if they had the defense. The Jets would be a better team. Maybe not. It may be not. But you're really scraping the bottom of the barrel here. And then they had the Seahawks and- No, definitely not.

Starting point is 01:01:54 Seahawks defense actually playing a lot better. And then they had the Bengals defense. Also not true. Not true, not even close. But I appreciate the effort coming from the Houston media to try to find some. That's nice. This is a sad punt of a column and I really respect it.

Starting point is 01:02:06 It was bad. So I was also doing some research. So Davis Mills and Tyrone Taylor both played in this game. They basically had identical stat lines. One was six for 14 for 49 yards. The other was five for 13 for 45 yards. The Colts could have beaten the Texans. I actually truly believe this.

Starting point is 01:02:25 If they had just said we're not going to pass the ball once today because the Texans had nine first downs in this game for 141 yards. Jonathan Taylor had nine first downs for 143 yards. He outgained the entire Texans team. And I just have to finish with this. And the Colts are like the good teams are good. Yeah, I'm going to say the Colts are a good team.

Starting point is 01:02:48 Kill bad teams. And that's what they did. The Texans first five drives. They went interception, fumble, three and out, three and out. Then they had an incredible drive that was nine plays, two first downs, but eight total yards. Do the math on that. It's pretty hard to do.

Starting point is 01:03:06 The Texans definitely lead the league in hilarious drives. I think we talked about a couple of them last week that were like nine minute drives for 30 yards or something stupid like that. I love it. It was so bad and then they finished with a three and out. That was their entire first half. Just a terrible, terrible team.

Starting point is 01:03:21 This is one of those teams where like I think the Lions, even though the Texans have two wins, I think the Lions are a better team. Yeah, neutral field. I think the Lions will be favored. Yes, absolutely. All right, so that's that game. Let's keep it moving because-

Starting point is 01:03:33 There should be bulls in DNFL. I would like to see that. How cool would that be? Well, they wouldn't be bowl eligible. No, but every team should be bowl eligible. There should be one. I guess what I'm describing is another week of football. Did you see the add in the bull?

Starting point is 01:03:44 There should be an 18 game season is what I'm saying. They added a bull because there were too many teams that were bowl eligible. Yeah, Hawaii? Yeah, because there's, the new rule is it's not, it used to be 500, now it's if you just get six wins. So you can be six and seven. Hawaii was six and seven, so they added a bull.

Starting point is 01:03:58 Turns out there's no limit on how many bulls. You can just invent football games and teams will show up for it. Shout out to Arizona Bull. Yep. Boise State for Central Michigan. It's gonna be a fucking awesome game. We'll be there.

Starting point is 01:04:08 Mm-hmm. All right, let's talk about your team, Washington football team. Yes. By the way, Jake, score Gami, it's not a score Gami, but the Washington football team has now won back to back weeks, 17 to 15.

Starting point is 01:04:21 That's awesome. That's more of a, well, that's wild. And- That's Carmelo Anthony Wilde. If the Broncos converted the last two-point conversion, 22-11 would have been- No, we don't want to- No, don't do it, don't steal this

Starting point is 01:04:34 from Washington football team. We don't play the what ifs. Oh, it would have been a score Gami, you say. Oh, okay. In the Sunday night, you got it. I know, but I don't like doing what ifs when it comes to score Gami. It's either score Gami or not, it's like-

Starting point is 01:04:44 We can't be back to it. You can't be partially pregnant. You know, like, oh, I almost got nutted in. But Washington football team, 17-15. That's pretty cool. Yeah. That's a little bit graphic, but you get it. Yeah, that was.

Starting point is 01:04:54 I had a part for the course, you know. I missed one. Yeah. I think I got it across. Yeah, you got it. You got it. So yeah, fuck that coin. That's my statement for today's game.

Starting point is 01:05:01 Fuck that stupid Raiders coin. The hat, the hat right here is four-and-oh. Incredible. The hat is better than any fucking coin you can bring in front of my face. The Washington football team is in the offs. Not only are we in the offs if the season ended today, we wouldn't even be the seventh seed.

Starting point is 01:05:17 Wow. We're now the sixth seed. We've got some daylight between us and being out of the offs. They're a good team. They're a good team. They've got some issues at times. Taylor Heinecke had some incredible plays today.

Starting point is 01:05:29 He had a bad interception, but his hand was hit on that. He also, like the Raiders very much should have intercepted that pass at the end of the game. That was a terrible, terrible pass. But that doesn't matter because you can't play the what if game and the Washington football team. The thing I like about watching the Washington football team,

Starting point is 01:05:46 they've now, they have like a very distinct identity. It's essentially run the ball, run the ball, let Taylor Heinecke do some fucking crazy shit. Yeah. No, we're gonna suck the clock down. That's what we do. We take the clock in the second half and we go on these crazy long drives

Starting point is 01:05:59 and we just frustrate the hell out of you because you don't have the ball in your hands and you can't stop us on third down. I think, I forget what the stat that they showed at the end of the game, but I think it was like seven or eight out of 11 on third downs today. Pretty good.

Starting point is 01:06:12 That tells me that you're first of all, getting to third down, which means you're not getting, we don't get first downs too quickly. Right. We don't get too far ahead of the chains. That's what the chief's problem was. We use every down.

Starting point is 01:06:22 We're like the Native Americans with a buffalo. Yes. And we suck the clock down and it's very frustrating to play against us. And yeah, sorry about the PI no-call on Zay Jones at the end of the game. Don't apologize. But you know what?

Starting point is 01:06:35 I'm not gonna apologize for it. Don't apologize for it. As Jerry Jones said, when the Cowboys played against the Raiders on Thanksgiving, we don't wanna be playing throw up ball out there, where you just throw the ball up and get pass interference. Here's what the Washington football team is.

Starting point is 01:06:47 And every year we get one or two of these teams, the NFL. They are the team that everyone looks at and they're like, this is bullshit. They're not good. But at the end of the day, they make enough plays and they play enough complimentary football that they are good.

Starting point is 01:07:02 And you can complain about it all you want. You can cry about it online and be like, this team's not good, it's bullshit. Guess what? They're good in the fact that they know how to make enough plays to win a game. They're like the reverse Vikings. They don't have any of that sizzle.

Starting point is 01:07:16 Although Tara McClellan's awesome. But they do enough to win games and they might be ugly. A lot of their wins are ugly, but it doesn't fucking matter because a win's a win. You know what I mean though? There's always those teams where everyone, they're the teams that everyone online

Starting point is 01:07:31 will just be so angry at because they're like, it's so frustrating to watch them because they shouldn't be winning this game. Well, guess what? They're winning the game. I would put them in the dolphins both in that same category, but guess what? I actually think that the Washington football team

Starting point is 01:07:44 and the dolphins are good now. I think that they're like, the way that the football team's playing right now, they're playing extremely hard. Like the effort that they're putting out there is it's noticeable that they're out there, like especially on defense compared to where they were at the start of the year.

Starting point is 01:07:58 Night and day difference between this team and that team. I think Chase Yong, I think they're better with Adam on the field right now. Now I think Chase Yong is gonna come back next year and he's gonna be awesome because he's gonna see how this team's playing right now with Adam and realize that, oh yeah, I guess I am kind of replaceable

Starting point is 01:08:16 if I don't really get out there and do my assignment and stop freelancing a little bit. I think he's gonna be much better next year. Montez Sweat's coming back. We're gonna add him to the puzzle. I'm very excited about this team. We want Dallas. We got Dallas next week.

Starting point is 01:08:28 Got him at home. Should have been the Sunday Night Football Game. Should have been the Sunday Night Football Game. Wish you could take that one back, Roger. Actually, no. More crimes. I'm glad, I'm glad, because prime time, not a good recipe.

Starting point is 01:08:37 Do you know what I mean about like those teams that are frustrating to watch, or people get frustrated watching them and they just can't accept the fact that maybe they're good by the fact that they just figure out ways to win games. Like if you added the Washington football team's ability to win games with the Vikings like Sizzle

Starting point is 01:08:56 and Wow Factor, they'd be a Super Bowl team. You know what I mean? There's just some teams that know how to win games and win games ugly. That is Washington football team. You can fight it. You can be the person complaining online and getting angry about it,

Starting point is 01:09:10 or you can do what I've been doing just betting on them because they're just winning games. It's been fun. The problem's gonna be we don't have Logan Thomas anymore because he got taken out in his ACL on a borderline dirty play. Not gonna complain about it. It was a dirty play.

Starting point is 01:09:24 Borderline. Is borderline dirty? Is borderline extremely dirty play? Oh, okay. And so he's out for the season. So now we don't really have a Titan. We've got Bates who's not bad. Then we got Samus Reyes, the guy from Chile

Starting point is 01:09:35 who hasn't played football until like two weeks ago. What about Seals Jones? Seals Jones, I don't know if Seals Jones is still around. I don't think that he, I think he got hurt. Okay. But Greg Olson. You guys will find someone. Greg Olson used to play tight end for Ron Rivera.

Starting point is 01:09:49 Greg Olson respond to my tweet with a gif of an old guy warming up. Ah! So I don't know. Could be in the cards. I also still think that Antonio Gates could just step out of the woodwork and still. You should take Jimmy Graham.

Starting point is 01:10:01 That's like five touchdowns. I'll take Jimmy. Jimmy Graham had one catch for one target, one catch, one touchdown. There you go. One yard. I like it. With efficiency.

Starting point is 01:10:09 We probably need to get somebody else at tight end, but again, we want Dallas. You're gonna find, I think that we can beat the Cowboys. And this is, it's going to be like last year when we beat the Cowboys on Thanksgiving where that's the start. That's where you know that the team is real.

Starting point is 01:10:21 No, I absolutely think you can beat Dallas because guess what? You're going to muck it up and Dax is going to look off. Yeah. And you're going to say, and we're going to be in the fourth quarter and it will be like a three point or four point game

Starting point is 01:10:31 one way or the other. You say, how are the Washington football team in this game? Well, because they fucking, they just grind shit out. They just grind, they're grit and grind grizzlies. Absolutely. In football form. That's a team that I love to root for you. This week is the first week

Starting point is 01:10:46 where I am actually going to get mad at power rankings. So when I see, I've seen a lot of power rankings out there that have the football team in like the mid 20s, early 20s, low 20s. And I've largely agreed with that because I haven't really thought that the team is like legit, legit. Now if I see the football team in your 20s,

Starting point is 01:11:05 I'm coming at you. Fair warning. Fair warning to any power rankings contributors on the internet. I know that you are one of those. I actually, they're not. They're 500 now. Yeah, they're 500.

Starting point is 01:11:15 And I think in my last one, they were number two. Yeah. So if you have them high. Just anyone out there that sees the football team, if it's number 20 or higher, let me know, tag me into that. I'm going to power bomb some fools. That would be crazy if they were, I mean, that's those are the haters I'm talking about.

Starting point is 01:11:29 You can't just admit when a team is, does just enough to win games and that counts for something. There was a moment at the end of that game where I was just, I was certain that DeSean Jackson was about to do something that was going to piss me off. Yeah. It just felt like if you saw the Sean Jackson in the first half, he was like,

Starting point is 01:11:45 I'm going to get in for like three plays. And then one of those plays, I'm going to score an 80 yard touchdown. And then he almost did. He did. All right. Let's go to Rams Jags. We'll do this one quick.

Starting point is 01:11:57 Matt Stafford played against a bad team. So Matt Stafford lit them up. Say something nice about Urban Meyer. The Rose Bowl is your bowl this year because it's Utah versus Ohio State. So that's nice. That's nice. Also shout out to Urban Meyer for making it really easy

Starting point is 01:12:12 for his team to fire him. Because like it. There's no confusion. And there's no confusion. No one's going to even have, you're not going to spend a second worrying about whether or not you're going to return next year because of that punt that you had.

Starting point is 01:12:24 Well, not only that, but he threw in, he throws in the extra sauce of like, they're not only bad, but their star number one pick who was supposed to be, can't miss, has not progressed. Yeah. So it's like, oh, you're not, we can't even find silver linings in this. No, there's really not.

Starting point is 01:12:38 They peaked too early this season. Yeah. They punted down like 20 or I don't even know what the final score was. No, they were down 30 points in the fourth quarter and they punted from midfield. Got to do it. It was, I mean, thank you Urban Meyer for just like,

Starting point is 01:12:51 removing any shadow of any sort of doubt. They peaked too early. They peaked with their nine to six beat down to the Buffalo Bills. That's a head scratcher. That's crazy to think. Like a month ago, the Jaguars beat the Bills nine to six. That goes down like the Texans beating the Titans,

Starting point is 01:13:11 the Saints beating the Packers and killing them and that game, those are the three games that stick out. You're like, what the fuck happened there? So yeah, I think that's what we were talking about right after that game. We said the danger for Urban Meyer is, this is you proving that your players haven't given up on you, but it's a long season

Starting point is 01:13:26 and you still have another two months for them to figure you the fuck out and get, you know, didn't completely check out of whatever you're trying to get them to buy into. They're done. This happened right now. So after a 30 to 10 loss, a 21, 14 loss to the Falcons and then a 37 to seven loss with a punt down 30 points

Starting point is 01:13:43 in the fourth quarter. I don't even think it was like fourth and 15 or fourth and 20, I think it was like fourth and eight or fourth and 10. It was bad. And they punted the ball down 30 points. And you know what, I'm looking at it right now. They still have the Texans, their jets on their schedule.

Starting point is 01:13:56 So there'll be one more win in there. Just be wary. They'll win one more game. They'll win one more game. They do get to, oh my God. At the Patriots. They get to travel to the Patriots on January 2nd. Yeah, that spread, if the Patriots have any meaning

Starting point is 01:14:11 in that game, like if they need to win that game, that spread cannot be big enough. Honestly, it can't because they will, like that Jaguar team going to New England on January 2nd in a, what should be week 17, but now there's, you know, the end of the season, which is now not, that has to be the biggest quit spot of all time.

Starting point is 01:14:30 Urban Myers is gonna get a hypothermia on the sidelines. Jake, can you put a reminder in? That might be my game of the year. Let's play, let's play January 2nd. I think it's valid. Yes. Wait, no. Because it's calendar year.

Starting point is 01:14:41 I still got another game of the year, yeah. I still got one more coming before this year. So Patriots, Jaguars, January 2nd, Jake. Let's play who's line is anyway right now on what that spread's gonna be. And then remind us what we guessed it was. I'm gonna guess it's gonna be Patriots by 14. I was gonna say 16, 16.

Starting point is 01:14:59 10 and a half. 10 and a half. What are you? Are you gonna be resting your starters? Whoa! You think so, you're resting the, yeah. Oh, back up. Really?

Starting point is 01:15:08 You got the number one C locked up by then. Damn, okay. I guess that's a possibility. Isn't that the penultimate week too? That's not the last week. It's the penultimate week. It's the penultimate week, yeah. Why does everybody love the word penultimate?

Starting point is 01:15:17 My dad fucking loved the word penultimate. I think people learn it and they're like, oh, that's a fucking fancy way of saying a week from now. If you go to like two weeks left. Broadcasting school, you hear somebody else say, that's my favorite word, and then it becomes your favorite. They teach you that it's your favorite word.

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Starting point is 01:17:11 This is a sentence that people are gonna make fun of me for, but I don't care. Jake, can you go grab my fanny pack? Cause I need to get the tums out of it. Cause I have heartburn right now. Thank you. No, I just need, I need, I got that late night. Oh, you treat your body like a fucking waste dump

Starting point is 01:17:27 and you lost your game of the year, heartburn. Okay, we're back. Seahawks Niners, Seahawks Niners. By the way, I just saw that, like on my Twitter timeline, the Joe Brady news was popping up and I was like, what the hell? This happened like 12 hours ago. James One of One is just spamming every single reporter

Starting point is 01:17:50 saying, had the Carolina Panthers signed James Winston instead of Teddy Bridgewater in 2020, Joe Brady may have just received the Brian Kelly offer from LSU instead, he just got fired. He just responded to literally every single reporter with that. I love it. I love it.

Starting point is 01:18:05 He DM me the other day because I retweeted his Photoshop that he had of James in the, in the Pittsburgh Steelers uniform and he was just like, Hey, just curious, would you want to see James play for the Steelers? Cause I really would. And I was like, yeah, he's like, I appreciate your support always, man. He'll make the Hall of Fame one day.

Starting point is 01:18:20 He's a, yeah, something else that, that Joe Brady like firing, that feels, that feels wrong. You, you, you made him coach Sam Darnold and then Cam Newton and you're like, this guy can't coach offense. I don't know. Maybe you shouldn't give him the worst in the second to worst quarterback you can pick, whoever I'm talking about there in the NFL

Starting point is 01:18:41 as his to lead his offense. I'm a, I still think that Joe Brady could be a good college head coach. I think he's probably getting offers or at least doing interviews. And so Matt rule is like, get out of here. I don't, I don't want to. I'm not giving up on him after like, dude,

Starting point is 01:18:53 he had to coach Sam Darnold and Cam Newton. Yeah. No one can do that. Yeah. No one. I think, I think Joe Brady is going to get hired somewhere and probably be pretty good at the next place that he, he probably just fell in love with the idea

Starting point is 01:19:02 that an NFL team wanted him after his big come up at LSU. Yeah. And he just took the first job that was offered. You got to be a little bit more selective, Joe. You know what we just did? We just became Joe Brady one of ones. We did. Yeah. Just like that.

Starting point is 01:19:16 We're going to be going, walking around saying Joe Brady would be a fucking great coach. Don't give up on Joe Brady. Joe, Joe Brady's coach. Joe Brady's not, if your system doesn't work with Joe Brady, the problem is your system, not Joe Brady. Yes, agreed.

Starting point is 01:19:28 All right. Seahawks 49ers. Here's a fun stat. So when Russell Wilson broke his finger and got surgery, he, it was reported, it was October 8th, and it was reported that surgery would take six to eight weeks to heal from. He came back in five.

Starting point is 01:19:49 He came back in five. He went 0 and 3, two touchdowns, two interceptions in those three weeks, 55% completion percentage. Today, he threw two touchdowns. He went 30 for 37. He had a pick, but it actually was like, it actually should have been a touchdown.

Starting point is 01:20:04 Like the receiver just threw it up. Dropped it in the end. Yeah, it was ridiculous. Today also happens to be the eighth week from his surgery. Funny how that works. It's really interesting. Funny how that works, Russell Wilson. You're really missing the point

Starting point is 01:20:16 of the entire Russell Wilson comeback thing. He came back three weeks before anyone thought it would ever be possible. You're not giving nearly enough credit to the medical miracle that is Russell Wilson. Instead, you're focusing on his performance when he came back. It's so funny that we have like an exact perfect timeline

Starting point is 01:20:33 of how Russell Wilson should have listened to his doctor didn't, came back too early, sucked. And then the moment that it was, oh, this is actually when your finger will be fully healed, he started playing good again. Well, Russell Wilson has a doctor, but he also is a guy that we'll just talk to the next doctor.

Starting point is 01:20:49 Correct. The first doctor doesn't tell him what he wants to hear. He's like, I have no problem going down the list until I get to Nick Riviera, who tells me that it's fine to come back. That it doesn't matter. You can play with the pins in your finger. Oh, Russell Wilson, he definitely has a junkyard,

Starting point is 01:21:02 Alex Guerrero, in his posse. Who's like, he's the guy who just tells, oh, the doctor said this. Oh, well, you know what? Let me massage that thing with some almond oil while you sleep. I'll literally stand over your bed and massage your finger, and you'll be back in five weeks.

Starting point is 01:21:19 Doctor of Divinity, Joel Austin. Crazy. Jesus had pins in his fingers too, Russ. Yeah, true. It's just so funny to me. It's ridiculous that it was the eighth week to the moment that Russell Wilson finally looked like Russell Wilson again.

Starting point is 01:21:36 And he spent three weeks, you know, Gino Smith probably doesn't win those games. Maybe he wins one of them, I don't know. Like, he was bad. He was really bad in those games. And this week, he looked back to being Russ, like throwing it deep, throwing it quickly, making quick decisions.

Starting point is 01:21:53 I don't know, it just kind of all makes sense. So you should probably trust your doctor. I love that his first pass of the game was to DK, to prove his point, to be like, we're gonna get you involved. Yeah, nice deep pass to him. We're gonna get you involved somehow today, DK. And I mean, he wasn't as big a part of the game plans

Starting point is 01:22:08 I think that he needs to be, because DK's, he's your best receiver. You should still find a way to find him downfield as often as possible. And instead, they were, you know, they were looking for, what's his name, Eskridge. Tyler Lockett might be his best receiver. Tyler Lockett's good, yeah.

Starting point is 01:22:21 I mean, he's pretty damn good. And he always seems to be like in the right spot. But it was, I'm sorry to throw at the beginning of the game. He was like, Russell definitely went to the corner and was like, I'm hearing what people are saying about me and DK. Can we just get him the ball? Just the first play of the game.

Starting point is 01:22:35 I don't care what happens after that, but we just want DK to know that he's, I want him to be bought in today. Yes. And I mean, you could see it in the throws that he was making. He had a deep throw to Tyler Lockett that wasn't a completion, but it was one of those passes that was like, Russell Wilson is on the very short list

Starting point is 01:22:53 of guys who can make that pass. Like a perfect pass in double coverage, moonshot to the end zone that went off Tyler Lockett's hands. And you're like, okay, Russell Wilson probably is feeling good again. He's probably back. That was the double pass. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:23:06 The lateral to DK who threw it back across the field to Russ. And then he threw an absolute dime, like 50 yards right to the corner. And yeah, it hit off his hands. Also, stop me if you've heard this before. Pete Carroll absolutely hates running the ball inside the five yard line.

Starting point is 01:23:20 Yeah. Absolutely hates it. Chaos in this game. Cannot stop. At least it's consistent. Yes. So this game, yeah, this was a fun game to watch. Like it was up and down.

Starting point is 01:23:31 The Niners, Jimmy G, I think we all know who Jimmy G is. Like if the Niners can't run the ball effectively, Jimmy G gets a little bit of exposed. They couldn't really run the ball effectively or how they have been running the ball. And so they got exposed. Yeah, they had no Debo. Their best running back slash wide receiver.

Starting point is 01:23:48 Our friend George Kittle is a fucking monster and so much fun to watch. He had 181 yards and two touchdowns. He was awesome. He finishes runs like he's a linebacker sometimes. Like he's falling down and he'll still make the tackle on the guy that's trying to tackle him. I feel like that's how his mentality works.

Starting point is 01:24:06 Where he's like, if I'm gonna get tackled, guess what, I'm actually gonna tackle you. You're gonna hit the ground before I do. I'm gonna hurt you, yes. And Russ is 17 in four career versus the Niners. So he owns them. He does, he fully owns them. It was a fun game to watch, but he owns them.

Starting point is 01:24:21 Whatever the Niners were building, this was like such a perfect moment too for the NFC West where it's like, I think it's probably in terms of like, teams you don't wanna face is probably the best division. You maybe say the AFC North, but like all four teams can win any game at any point. But this was the game that weirdly like, not eliminated, but like it really hurt the Niners' chance.

Starting point is 01:24:48 And the Seahawks are already kind of behind the eight ball. So the division that we thought was gonna have four teams will probably only have two because of this game. And the Niners just got, I didn't realize it, but they got swept by the Cardinals and the Seahawks now. So that, I don't know, they make no sense. Niners just own the Rams. Shanahan just straight up owns McVay.

Starting point is 01:25:09 That's what that boils down to. And P. Carroll owns Shanahan. It's like a perfect, you can totally figure out the NFC West at any time with like Russell Wilson owns the 49ers and the 49ers own the Rams. The Seahawks are in fact in win now mode. As Ian Rappaport put it, Adrian Peterson got a touchdown. So that's why they signed them because they have to win now.

Starting point is 01:25:30 And I'm sure, he looked bad today. You think? 11 for 16 yards. He looked pretty bad, but. Let me just say that again. 11 rushes for 16 yards. It's crazy. In a touchdown.

Starting point is 01:25:40 It's crazy that he got the ball 11 times when you have penny on your team. It's absolutely nuts. And then what I love about just Adrian Peterson bouncing around the league right now and getting signed by multiple teams is it proves that general managers approach the game the exact same way that me and you do.

Starting point is 01:25:55 Oh yeah. Which is we remember like the year 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 and we're like Adrian Peterson is the best running back I've ever seen in my life. They've probably sat around their computers watching that Adrian Peterson high school mixtape of all of his highlight runs that he had where he's just making 18 year olds look like they're three

Starting point is 01:26:13 and running through people's faces and cutting back across the field. And they still think to themselves, Adrian Peterson is a once in a generation type athlete. We should sign them. Why not? Why not? He's still good.

Starting point is 01:26:24 Turns out that football guys in the NFL are really not that much smarter than me and you sometimes. No, no, I remember it was like maybe whatever 2015, 2016 when I drafted Andre Johnson on my fantasy football team when he was on the Titans and I was like, this is a steal. Yeah. This guy, I mean, he's one of the best of all time.

Starting point is 01:26:44 Dude, Tavon Austin is right now. He's been living that for the last three years where people just remember what he was like in high school with that mixtape that he had, what he was like in college at West Virginia and then what he was doing like his first, when he got that contract extension on Hard Knocks. There was some names that will just stick around forever.

Starting point is 01:27:00 You'll be like, yeah, put them in, he'll be good. Adrian Peterson is that name. I think I just did that with Antonio Gates earlier. Yeah, yeah, bring it back. Absolutely. I'm dumb, I'm very dumb, but Antonio Gates could still do it. So yeah, the Seahawks are in no man's land.

Starting point is 01:27:13 They're four and eight. They would have to run the table, I would imagine, to make the playoffs and the 49ers right now are the seventh seed, so. But I can't make sense of the 49ers either because they haven't beaten, they beat the Rams on Monday Night Football. They pass the test of get a big Monday Night Football win

Starting point is 01:27:31 and we'll start thinking that you're really good because their other wins are against really bad teams. Like they beat the Jaguars, the Lions, and the Bears. Okay, so they're gonna play games against the Falcons and the Texans. I would pencil those in as wins, right? Are you talking about the 49ers? The 49ers.

Starting point is 01:27:47 The Falcons. Actually, the Bengals next week might be a loser leaves town game. Yeah, I think it is. So besides the Falcons and the Texans, which I have in my record book as wins for the Niners, they have the Bengals, the Titans, and the Rams. So.

Starting point is 01:28:02 And they own the Rams. And they own the Rams. So they could get three wins out of there, end up at nine and eight. And the team no one wants to play in the playoffs. And the team no one wants to play in the playoffs. Don't look now. Yep.

Starting point is 01:28:11 I would definitely buy a stock in the 49ers just because you can convince yourself that they can just run it down anyone's throat. Yep. Okay, last game. Steelers, Ravens. Big Ben, it was reported. Mystery source.

Starting point is 01:28:28 So mystery source. Adam Schafter reported, Ben Raltzberger privately has told former teammates and some within the organization that he expects this to be his final season playing quarterback for the Steelers. Big Ben has been doing this privately, not publicly with his play that we all can see with our eyeballs,

Starting point is 01:28:47 but privately he's been telling everyone. And that report came out on Saturday. We are now in win one for Ben mode. And we saw it today where they beat the Ravens, come back in the second half, and he like two legitimately awesome touchdown drives for Big Ben. I don't want him to go.

Starting point is 01:29:08 I want them to do just enough that he's like one more year, Big Ben. You have to let him come back if Big Ben wants to come back. After everything he's done for that city, you have to let Big Ben back. And again, we want to reiterate this. These were private conversations

Starting point is 01:29:21 that Ben did not want to get out. We don't know how it got out. And so there's a breach of trust Big Ben has in his inner circle. And Big Ben's only crime is that he trusts those close to him too much with sensitive information sometimes. So this was not.

Starting point is 01:29:33 Don't trust the media. As a matter of fact, we should delete this from our part because I don't want to pass along. It's like submitting stolen work papers into court. You're not allowed to do that, right? We should not be talking about what Ben talks about behind closed. That's none of our business.

Starting point is 01:29:47 What do you think the reaction was when Big Ben had this private conversation? Private, again, very private, with people in the organization and close friends. Do you think it was like when you find out that someone's throwing a surprise birthday party for you and you have to fake it, but really you can never fake the true surprise?

Starting point is 01:30:06 Do you think people were like, Big Ben walks up and says, hey, I'm thinking about retiring like, oh, oh, why? Why? Everything's going well. Yeah. Yeah, you had to.

Starting point is 01:30:15 You had to be able to fake it, yeah. He was waiting for somebody to go, oh, no, no, Ben, don't, you don't have to. You look good. And Ben's like, are you sure? Are you sure? He wanted me to talk back into saying. Sounding board.

Starting point is 01:30:26 That's what he was doing. He was trying to be talked back into saying, he did say though that he's done playing quarterback for the Steelers. So I see two outs in that situation. He could convert to tight end. Yep. He could convert to.

Starting point is 01:30:44 Offensive tackle, then he'd offensive linemen. He could convert to team doctor. Ben running out there and he's had every injury. He could spot it on somebody else or playing for a team that's not the Steelers. In which case, I have to imagine teams would be lining up for Big Ben at this point. It would be so fucking awesome.

Starting point is 01:30:59 I think it'd be very sad to see Big Ben and not the Steelers uniform. If you're the Steelers and you obviously, like Big Ben is a legend, why not just be like, hey, Ben, we'll just make the backup quarterback position your position for the next 20 years. So like once or twice a year, you've got to come in. You're not going to have to play much.

Starting point is 01:31:19 It's almost like an honorary position. Like it's in Emirates. You're the quarterback in Emirates. You'll be there. You'll be a third string quarterback and you can come to the facility because we know you want to. You can even fake an injury if you want to.

Starting point is 01:31:31 And then like once or twice a year, we can just be like, hey, go on out there, have fun. Yeah, maybe make him third string. It'll also have him sit up in the booth and put a headset on and he gets to call the plays. That works too. But he's definitely not a quarterback coach or a coordinator.

Starting point is 01:31:47 He's a third string quarterback. If anybody's asking, it would be very funny though to see Big Ben as a third string quarterback, but still listed weekly on the injury report with a different injury every single week. It'd be awesome. And you know what? He played well today.

Starting point is 01:32:00 He really did. Like he played well. He had big drives. They were making plays. They were able to run the ball, which like they haven't been able to do forever against a Ravens defensive. The Ravens are kind of screwed

Starting point is 01:32:10 because they're not only not playing well Marlon Humphrey I think is out for the year now, which their defense is going to suffer even more. Ben, he also ran play action today. You see that? Yeah. And a little, I don't think it was a scripted QB draw, but like he just kind of ran it up the middle

Starting point is 01:32:26 because he panicked. He forgot to play. Yeah, he ran really slowly. But yeah, the Ravens, the Ravens are in trouble. They're not playing well. Yeah. Like they just aren't. I like the play goal at the end though.

Starting point is 01:32:36 I like Harbaugh going for two. Oh, I hated it. Because he said that they lost their corners. They were down, they were so banged up that they didn't feel like they could stop the Steelers on defense. So you got a dynamic offense that can get two yards, that should be able to get two yards.

Starting point is 01:32:52 And Lamar Jackson had them for two yards and Andrews just dropped the two point conversion. See, to me, it doesn't make sense because you have Justin Tucker. So like Justin Tucker, like if you can get a stop at any point over time or you get the ball first and you just kick the field goal, obviously it doesn't end it.

Starting point is 01:33:07 They didn't think they could get a stop though because they didn't have the guys to do it. I still think, I mean the Steelers weren't like they were playing well offensively, but Justin Tucker is just a great equalizer where it's like we can kick a field goal at any point. Yeah, it was, it was a, I mean Lamar missed the throw. Like Mark Andrews, like that, he was open.

Starting point is 01:33:24 You can touch it, you can catch it. You could, if you touched it, no, but that one was- They paid these guys a lot of money, Hank. Lamar missed that throw. That's a throw he misses, those short throws. Hank. I did love-

Starting point is 01:33:33 Back me up, Hank. I did, if you can touch it, you can catch it. If, I did love Tomlin afterwards saying, he knew that it was coming because, quote, they aggressively play analytics. So from that standpoint, they're predictable. Talking about the Ravens, they're so predictable that the Steelers needed to use a timeout

Starting point is 01:33:52 because they sent out their field goal block team. And then also the play was like, they just didn't cover the tight end and Lamar Jackson missed it. But other than that, all that aside, they knew that was coming. It's kind of a good point that Tomlin makes though. If you play everything by the book,

Starting point is 01:34:07 then somebody else can just read the book and know what you're gonna do. It's like when a coach is stupid enough to be reckless, that's what makes them really dangerous. Kind of like Brandon Staley. But when you play the book too close to the percentages, then it's really easy to figure out what you're up to. He knows it.

Starting point is 01:34:23 And you can get a guy that knows math too, on your side. I did like Tomlin's quote after the game talking about Big Ben. He said that he thought, I just thought it was funny how that became a major storyline about Big Ben wanting to retire. Because Tomlin knows Big Ben so much better than any of us does.

Starting point is 01:34:39 And he knows what Big Ben's like. And he's like laughing when he's seen that story about Big Ben talking to private, having private conversations with people that he trusts. He privately had a conversation with Adam Schafter, and he and Raffi. And Tomlin's like, I just think that it's funny how that became the narrative out of nowhere.

Starting point is 01:34:55 Big Ben to like Mike Tomlin, it's like if you have a dog that's just a rascal, but you still love him. It's like, I know that you're gonna get your nose into the treats, and it's funny. You're gonna walk away like, six tennis balls in your mouth after I put them, tried to lock them away in the shed.

Starting point is 01:35:08 I still love you, but you know you shouldn't be doing that. Yeah, you shouldn't be doing that. And Big Ben, he probably called Adam Schafter, and was like, hey, just want to double check this is on the record, right? Like he reverses it. And then he says, I'm thinking about retiring. Float that out there.

Starting point is 01:35:22 Oh no, don't do it. It was, I did appreciate though, like Steelers fans showed the correct amount of remorse. Because I think it's tough, you're in a tough spot. He's not good. He's holding the team back, but he is also a legend, so you can't be like, oh, good, he's gone. You have to show like, oh, this is sad.

Starting point is 01:35:43 Did you see that compilation of Big Ben extending plays? Yeah, he's- And if I'll throw back, put it out the other day. It's amazing to watch, because he looks so much less mobile now than he was back 10 years ago. Even seven years ago, six years ago. And it's incredible to watch. He's just shrugging people off his shoulders.

Starting point is 01:36:01 He'll shrug like three defensive tackles, and then he'll throw a pass like 70 yards on a dime. It was amazing to watch. There was probably a decade long period where I, whenever anyone would ask me the question, like who would you take in a two minute offense, need to score a touchdown? And this is during Peyton Manning and Drew Brees

Starting point is 01:36:18 and Tom Brady's prime, I would say Big Ben. Because that was how like insane he was when it was a pressure moment and the rush was coming, and he would just shed people, like he was a fucking Avenger. It was insane. It's gonna be sad. The only other thing I had from this game

Starting point is 01:36:34 is TJ Watt is defensive player of the year. And I know there's a lot of guys out there that could probably win it. He had three and a half sacks today. He had 12 pressures, which is fucking insane. TJ Watt now has played 10 games this year. He has 16 sacks in 10 games. That's insane.

Starting point is 01:36:51 That's crazy. That's crazy. He like single-handedly made that Steelers defense, you know, play to a level that they could win that game. He is so fucking good. And again, I know there's a lot of good defensive players this year and there's guys playing really good games, but TJ Watt is such an insane difference maker.

Starting point is 01:37:10 So there's my vote. Thoughts and prayers to Kirk Cousins on Thursday night. Yeah. TJ Watt's come out. 16 sacks in 10 games. He only has two games where he hasn't had a sack. That's like when people talk about OJ Simpson and the numbers that he put up in a 14 game season,

Starting point is 01:37:25 just unreal shit that you can't even think about. Talking strictly between the lines on OJ Simpson. Thank you, Peter King. 16 sacks in 10 games is that's, I don't think anyone's ever done that before. And I'm wondering if Miles Garrett somehow has more and people are gonna be like, how could you not say this Miles Garrett?

Starting point is 01:37:43 All I'm gonna say is Miles Garrett is exceptional. TJ Watt has moments where, and I guess Miles Garrett does too. So I don't know what I'm saying. Miles Garrett is just, he's fucking crazy too. And so is Aaron Donald or whatever. But TJ Watt definitely has moments where he just completely takes over a game and like today was one of those days

Starting point is 01:38:03 where he was a problem. 16 sacks in 10 games. I'm saying like, I don't know if there's a 10 game split that another player's had in the history of the NFL that has 16 sacks over the course of 10 consecutive games. All right, so Miles can, Miles Garrett has 14 sacks in 12 games. So there you go, Miles Garrett, everyone says Miles Garrett

Starting point is 01:38:22 is probably the defensive player of the year. I think it's TJ Watt. So there it is. There's my vote. I think it's Diggs. I think it's TJ Watt. I think he does so much to make that defense so much better.

Starting point is 01:38:31 Like that defense, they looked, they had a little bit of a slow start, which was weird because Tomlin, that was such a classic Tomlin rah rah spot. Like Mike Tomlin, I love how, speaking of predictable, how he can predict what the Ravens are gonna do. If the Steelers are underdogs and everyone has counted them out, Mike Tomlin will find a way to get his team to win.

Starting point is 01:38:55 And then if they like, I wish the Steelers were playing the Texans next week, cause they would be like 10 point favorites and they would lose outright. That's what would happen. That's what they did. That's what would happen. Okay, those are all the games.

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Starting point is 01:40:42 where we're selling Tate Meyer t-shirts that have his number, Oxford football in it, and all proceeds go to the Tate Meyer Scholarship Fund that is family set up. Awesome. A lot of people sent in, make Tate Meyer, football player, a football guy of the week, football guy of the year, and honestly, no award that I could give him

Starting point is 01:41:02 would just his actions and selflessness. So he's not gonna be including the nominees for this week. I think what he did goes above football guy of the week. It would correct. Yeah, go buy his shirts. Thank you, Billy. Go buy his shirts, support him. Yes. So for last week's last week winner was Vita Vea

Starting point is 01:41:20 for sporting an amazing lost tooth and just all-time football guy performance. Yup. And now for this week's nominees. Number one is Garter Minshu, quarterback for Eagles. He was seen celebrating as we talked about freaking out with his father, just really shows like how much this guy just loves football.

Starting point is 01:41:38 Loves it. Like just physically exuding like, you can't find anyone with that kind of passion for anything. That's just like huge football guy move. Yeah. Just like. Billy, how do you feel about him as somebody who has also been known to steal Valor

Starting point is 01:41:52 from time to time? Minshu wearing the Aviator jacket afterwards with the flight patches on it. Where's that fall? It's like, you know, people wear jerseys because they're fans of the team. Got it. Got it.

Starting point is 01:42:03 Like that's what it's more about. But it's a huge move. Our second nominee is Sean McDermott, head coach, Buffalo Bills. So he told a radio show that he did a book report on the Monday football musical theme one time in grade school. Love it. Yeah, so.

Starting point is 01:42:20 Which one was that? No, that's Fox. What's my enough football? I think it was. Wow, that tells you that we're late in the season and in the night. What do you say about it? I don't know.

Starting point is 01:42:45 I'm actually really curious. I couldn't find it. That's less of a football guy move than John Gruden losing his virginity to the Notre Dame fight song. In his own head. Yes. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:42:54 Number three is Mitch Hewitt, the head coach of the Chardon Hilltoppers High School. So he had a great quote. Okay. At a press conference, he said, we do things that in five years are probably going to get us all fired. When our parents become soft,

Starting point is 01:43:09 Chardon football will die a slow death. That was a coach? Yeah. Okay. He's just saying like, please nobody look too hard into the drills that I'm running in practice. It's just all time.

Starting point is 01:43:21 Yeah, he's just warning everyone like, there will be a scandal. I'll look like a really bad guy. But I told you. Okay. But they had a huge winning culture. Okay, there we go. They win football games.

Starting point is 01:43:33 That's the product on the field. Yup. So we had John Voight and Varsity Blues. Yeah. He won a lot of damn football games. And our last nominee is Jeff Stoutland, a line coach for Eagles who got sent to the hospital before the game because the coaching staff

Starting point is 01:43:48 and players were like, I should go to the hospital. Something's wrong. And he went and they released him and he just got off. What was wrong? I couldn't really find out. He was just feeling under the weather. It's such a football guy move though

Starting point is 01:43:59 to like walk into a group of people and they just look at you and they're like, dude, you need to go to the hospital. Yeah, something's wrong. Now we'll take you to the hospital either. Like go to the hospital. Get out of here. Now we're based.

Starting point is 01:44:09 You go. You're like, I feel fine. No, trust me. Go. No one knows. I couldn't find why he went to the hospital. I don't think he was telling anyone his symptoms. I'm just not complaining.

Starting point is 01:44:18 Vanishing drums. I'm sorry. All right. And then you have a honorary throwback. Throwback. So there's this new Madden documentary coming out. There's a bunch of Madden. Throwback in the future.

Starting point is 01:44:31 He's still alive. Yeah. He's back to the future. Yeah, it's a throwback, but it hasn't happened yet. No, but there's just this hilarious clip of John Madden making fun of Troy Aikman for not being able to grow a beard and drawing a beard on Troy Aikman during the broadcast. He was the king of the telestrator.

Starting point is 01:44:48 He's like, he can grow. He's got little fuzz coming in here, here, and here, but, and then he highlighted his mustache. I was like, but absolutely nothing here. It was like before, I feel like the telestrator doesn't get used anymore. Well, they, you know what they did is they, they got very, very aware of the fact

Starting point is 01:45:03 that every time somebody would try to draw something on the telestrator, it would end up being a dick in balls. Yes. And so they gave them like stamps to put on the telestrator now where it's like perfect circles. Yeah. Perfect. They, they computerized it too much,

Starting point is 01:45:15 took the human element out of the game. John Madden was a king of it. Okay. Good, good football guys. Go vote right now on the blog. Is it up? It's going to be up by when this airs. Okay. Perfect.

Starting point is 01:45:26 You don't know when this airs. I don't. I wake up every morning on Monday and post it. We're actually. So there's people who listen right now who it's not up. Okay. I want to put it down right now. Okay. Perfect. So I will be up.

Starting point is 01:45:38 Wait, are you going to take it down or put it up right now? I want to put, oh, I wrote it. It's ready. I just wait to post it. Okay. Got it. Well, you already made a promise that it would be up. Shut up people who listen to this and also don't see it. You're the real ones.

Starting point is 01:45:49 Keep refreshing the blog until it's up. Yes. All right. Let's finish up. We got who's back of the week. Cash app is our sponsor for who's back of the week. Major announcement from the cash app. They're now introducing team banking to the masses. If you're 13 plus, you need to download the cash app now.

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Starting point is 01:46:22 and they can have some independence with the cash card, which is like a debit card using the cash app. So download the cash app, enter the referral code barstool, you receive $10 and they will send $10 to the ASPCA when you download the cash app from the App Store, Google Play Store today. Okay. Hank. My who's back of the week is Lewis Hamilton.

Starting point is 01:46:42 Oh, did he win? Louis. He won today, F1, coming down to the wire. Him and Max were stappin' in a very tight race after today's win. They're tied. Exact same amount of points, one race to go. I can't wait to watch this in February on Netflix. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:47:00 I'm probably not gonna watch it live next week. Is it next week? I believe it's next week, yes. Okay, what time is it at? Probably like 11 o'clock. Hopefully in the morning, usually it's like today's was like in the middle of football. Yeah, that's probably not gonna happen.

Starting point is 01:47:13 But I'm again, very excited to watch it in February. Have we watched the Daniel Ricardo win that he had a couple weeks ago? No, because the series doesn't come out, it comes out fully in like February or March. Okay. So that's when we will watch it all and be like, that was sick.

Starting point is 01:47:30 Oh, that was when I was watching Colts Texans instead of this. Right. Yeah. That'll be fun. I'm actually very excited. I actually really want to go back and watch the race from today. So we'll see what happened because it seemed like it was an awesome one.

Starting point is 01:47:48 Everyone was talking about it. It's just, you know, football season. What are you going to do? What are you going to do? At least we're honest about it. I can't wait till next summer when I start watching F1 again and get really excited about it.

Starting point is 01:47:57 And then football comes and I forget about it again. Big time. And round and round we go. I just happened to pawn the Jamest one of one page. Right now. Oh yeah. He's just wanted to be everyone. This is pretty amazing.

Starting point is 01:48:07 We know his timeline right now. It's a quote tweet of a video of police attacking a Greek Orthodox priest who's yelling at the Pope. And Jamest one of one says, the police knocked down and drug off the ancient Orthodox priest simply for speaking from about 200 or so feet away from Pope Francis.

Starting point is 01:48:27 I guess it's not only anti-Jamest Winston media members that aren't up for a public debate. He's got a sense of humor. The guy's got a sense of humor. I fucking love that guy. Oh my God. All right, PFT, your who's back. My who's back of the week is the Dr. Pepper

Starting point is 01:48:42 tuition giveaway challenge. Yes. That was back big time this weekend. We had a couple of real stellar performances. I don't think anybody threw a normal pass. Nope. The game has totally changed. They've hacked it.

Starting point is 01:48:53 They've hacked it. It's completely changed. This is the future of football that America wants right now, I guess. Yeah. But there were a couple of times that really made me laugh. One time was when the guy that looked like Billy

Starting point is 01:49:04 from Duke went out there and thank God they got somebody from Duke to compete in this and he won. And he's just an absolute psychopath. Just like stone cold. He said he had been preparing like hours a day for the last several weeks. Yeah, there was a club where he was warming up

Starting point is 01:49:19 and then his first two shots were like total fucking bricks. It was very funny. Yeah. And they asked him like what he wanted to do with his economics degree. And he was basically like, I want to make a lot of money. And if maybe-

Starting point is 01:49:32 Around the world. No, he goes, make the world a better place too. Like the speech from Silicon Valley. Yeah, yeah, right. In episode one. Total psycho of a guy. And then I love the referees in that. Oh, yeah.

Starting point is 01:49:43 Because there are five officials. They have five, are those the actual game officials? Yes, they are. So there are rules that they're supposed to be monitoring. Do they throw a flag if you step in front of the line? I don't think so, but they do want, they do do a good job. It's like the three point ref,

Starting point is 01:49:55 it's like the ref in the three point contest and NBA All Star weekend where he just sits there and just puts up the three over and over. It's just, it's very, very funny and very stupid. There's one in the dunk contest too that's there, I guess, to not call travels. I don't know why they have that. Oh, like probably just like when the dunk goes in.

Starting point is 01:50:12 They're like, that's two. Or time. That's two, yeah, probably the time guy. But yeah, I love watching the Dr. Pepper tuition giveaway challenge. I tweeted this out, but I do believe that it's heavily biased towards students. And there should be an equivalent towards people

Starting point is 01:50:26 who are maybe just out of college that have a real job that want to quit their job. There should be a Dr. Pepper event for those guys too. Agreed. I just want like, give me a year off that I don't have to work and I can just watch football maybe for a year. Yes, yes, and do this challenge.

Starting point is 01:50:42 All right, my who's back is actual college football and bowl games because it was an awesome weekend. I learned my lessons and not bet against Nick Saban. The game of the year was a total disaster. I felt very bad. You gave him that good rat poison, a yummy rat poison. I mean, that was, they all of a sudden knew how to block

Starting point is 01:51:00 and also Kirby Smart, your fucking doofus. Like your doofus face, never going to win anything. Now they'll probably win it all. But we have our college football playoff set. Michigan, or sorry, Alabama one, Michigan two, Georgia three, Cincinnati four. I'm actually already going to do it again because I actually think Cincinnati could give

Starting point is 01:51:19 Alabama a good game because their secondary is that fucking good and they have a cornerback that is like, just doesn't let anyone catch anything. And Mets, he's out too. And Mets, he's out. So I'm going to do it again. I feel so bad for Mets, he's been one of my favorite receivers in college football for the last two years.

Starting point is 01:51:33 Yeah. So that sucks. But it's going to be a great bowl season, including the Arizona Bowl. So we have Boise State versus Central Michigan announced, ready to go. Barstool Sports Arizona Bowl. We have Scott Stapp from Creed,

Starting point is 01:51:51 who's going to be the halftime show. I'm going to jump out of an airplane. Pup Punk's going to play in Arizona. We're going to do a trivia thing. It's going to be a whole week. Incredible week in Arizona. So go buy tickets now. And my other who's back is dinosaurs

Starting point is 01:52:08 because Stuart Mandel, who has been very anti-Barstool when it comes to this bowl game, had an all time tweet about this, the announcement of the bowl game. He said, wait until these teams and their fans realize this game is not on television. Only Barstool streaming. So Stuart Mandel tweeted this on the internet,

Starting point is 01:52:30 on the internet, to a bunch of people who have the internet because they're reading it on the internet. He also works for a subscription site on the internet. That exists online. Online that you have to pay for to read his stuff, the athletic. You can get the athletic on, like if you have a rabbit ear antenna.

Starting point is 01:52:45 Yeah, no, you can, yeah, yeah, yeah, right. So you can, yeah, it gets delivered to your door every day. Right. I would argue, and obviously the, like, you know, it's, there's probably gonna be less people who watch our bowl game than the college football playoff. I'll just throw that out there right now.

Starting point is 01:53:02 But I would argue that YouTube, where we're gonna be streaming it, is more accessible than television at this point in terms of the amount of people who have phones in their pocket and stream stuff anyway. But Stuart Mandel's right. He did tweet this on the internet, to a bunch of people who have the internet,

Starting point is 01:53:19 who know how to use the internet, who can watch the game on the internet, that it's not gonna be on television, it's gonna be on the internet, where we're actually having this conversation. There'll probably be some sick-ass letters to the editor that get written like a week after the game, that get delivered to like a newspaper office

Starting point is 01:53:34 from people that couldn't figure out how to watch it. But the people who would tweet to complain about it, they have the internet, so they'll be able to watch it, no problem. I'm excited about this game. We should, you know that table that they had set up on Fox where it was like Brady Quinn, Matt Leiner, Reggie Bush, it looked like if Jesus did the last supper

Starting point is 01:53:53 at the Heisen House. They squeezed everyone in. Yeah, we should do that, except with more people at our table. We should have like the biggest table of dudes possible. Yes, but yeah, I'm very excited for this. Central Michigan, you know, a little soft spot in my heart, because I love Daniel Richardson, their quarterback,

Starting point is 01:54:11 Cleo Pimpleton, one of the best names in college football. Lou Nichols, awesome running back. So yeah, fire up chips, I'm unbiased. I love Boise State, I love the blue turf, I love the dog RIP that used to go out there and chase the tee down. Can we get a dog to do that? Sure.

Starting point is 01:54:27 We should get a dog to do that. If you live in Arizona and you have a dog that knows how to fetch a tee, let me know. We would love to get involved in that. We'll talk more college football, but yeah, bowl season, there's nothing better than bowl season, just seeing all of these matchups. And I do feel bad for Mike Gundy in Oklahoma State,

Starting point is 01:54:43 because that was a brutal, brutal way to miss out on not only a big 12 championship, but the college football playoff. Goddy for that pile on, Taylor Heineke makes that play. Brutal, brutal, brutal, brutal. All right, Billy. My who's back of the week is Rex Bex. Steven Weatherly was wearing Rex Bex.

Starting point is 01:55:03 It's the first time I've seen Rex Bex in a long time. Steven, the guy in the Broncos? Yeah. He's got tinted Rex Bex. He's got sunglass Rex Bex. He's been wearing them all year. They look awesome. And my other who's back is Kenny Pickett,

Starting point is 01:55:15 that fake slide. Oh, so good, slide cancel. That's good. Dude, it was. I mean, he's. Congrats on, by the way, congrats on the dub. Yes. Hank got his dub on Thursday night at about 1.32

Starting point is 01:55:31 in the morning. We talked about on Friday's show, me, Billy, and Imrex were in there coaching. It was a team effort and we were so proud of Hank. He clutched up, Hank. Having the boys there with me meant the world. Way to go, Hank. Was that pointed to me because I wasn't there?

Starting point is 01:55:47 No. I wasn't expecting him to be in Billy to stay. Got it. I wouldn't have missed it. Love you, Hank. I had to get up at seven in the morning every day. Two kids, you're sleeping, you're snoozing, you're dreaming.

Starting point is 01:55:59 The Kenny Pickett slide, you fall into the two camps. One is like, that was fucking sweet, which I consider myself in that camp. And then the other side, which is like, quarterbacks have it too easy. If you, next thing you know, like slippery socks. Stewart Mandel's in that camp. I do think that the next time he does a slide,

Starting point is 01:56:18 you should give the defender like a half second grace period. Yes. So like you can't complain about a late hit on a slide the next time that you do it. It was so sick. It was an amazing, I've never seen that done. He didn't like slow down. It was perfectly executed fake slide.

Starting point is 01:56:32 Do you think that he meant to do a fake slide or do you think he was actually about to slide and then at the last second he was like, nah. Well, no one went, no one like went after him. So he like kind of, he just had everyone frozen. The linebacker just pulled up on him, like even before he was about to go down. Wake Forest, I don't understand.

Starting point is 01:56:49 Their offense was throw it deep, run it for one yard, throw it deep, punt. It was a wild game to watch, but chop it, great year. Wake Forest, I can't believe that Wake Forest had the year that they did this year. Yeah, they were awesome. And that's why we should expand the playoff and guess who's the only one to blame

Starting point is 01:57:05 for not expanding the playoff. Oh yeah, that's ACC because they're trying to like flex some leverage that they don't have over everyone else. Make it 12, Saturday was awesome. Saturday would have been even better if Baylor automatically got in, Utah automatically got in, Pitt automatically got in. That would make it so, so fun.

Starting point is 01:57:25 Agreed. All right, Jake, wrap us up. Yeah, first off, shout out to everyone who watched the broadcast this weekend. I really appreciate the support on ESPN Plus. Shout out to Iona for covering Friday night. And then an upset, Quinnipiac beat Manhattan on Sunday. My who's back of the week are things being wild.

Starting point is 01:57:42 We had LeBron James in attendance for LeBron James Jr.'s high school game against LeBron James Sr.'s high school, St. Vincent St. Mary's against Sierra Canyon on the floor, Staple Center, where LeBron James Sr. usually played, LeBron James Jr. played with LeBron James Sr. watching. Damn.

Starting point is 01:58:01 Wow, that is wild. That's very wild. That's crazy. That's very wild. Wild, yeah. 19 points for Brony. Brony, okay, good job, Brony. He was actually, yeah, he went from three.

Starting point is 01:58:10 He also was flexing because he was shooting NBA threes. Yeah. I don't know why Brony James Jr.'s son. The team, the school probably requires that. Yeah, it's probably a law. You have to have it around your chin when you play. There's a lot of high schools that have been doing that. It's very dumb.

Starting point is 01:58:25 It's very strange. But we don't want to get into that. But it's very, very dumb. Yeah, that's insane. It doesn't. It literally does nothing. It's so stupid. It literally does absolutely nothing.

Starting point is 01:58:34 They put it up like during timeouts or something. I don't know. It's so fucking stupid. That's wild. Yes, that is wild. It is wild. But you're playing basketball. Unfortunately, though, LeBron, I think agrees with this take.

Starting point is 01:58:45 So we should probably reverse it. I think it, I think they should have another good take today on Twitter. He did? Yeah. I'll read it. What'd he say? Don't. No, I want to know.

Starting point is 01:58:54 I want to know. Face it. Don't run. Oh, bonus who's back. James Madison. Going to the quarterfinals again. I can watch TV 12 through a football slash run off offense all day long, man.

Starting point is 01:59:07 It's so beautiful. I favorited it. You did? Wait, run it back again. I can watch TV 12 through a football slash run off offense all day long, man. With three exclamation points. It's so beautiful.

Starting point is 01:59:25 He's right. He was drunk. All right. Numbers. Eight. Eighty-one. 88. 18.

Starting point is 01:59:34 21. 21. Fifth time. Whoa. Mini dynasty. 47. Giraffes are the same amount of neck bones as humans, which is seven.

Starting point is 01:59:47 Love you guys. You take on me. Take me on. I'll be gone after your change. Needless to say, I'm on stage, but I'm still a little way. Further than the flight, you shall stay. Stay up to me.

Starting point is 02:00:46 It's no better to be safe than sorry. Stay up to me. It's no better to be safe than sorry. Take on me. Take me on. I'll be gone after your change. All the things that you say, yeah. Is it a lot more just to play my worries away?

Starting point is 02:01:22 You're all things I've got to remember. Are you shying away? Well, I'll be coming for you anyway. Are you shying away? Well, I'll be coming for you anyway. Take on me. Take me on. I'll be gone after your change.

Starting point is 02:02:03 Take on me.

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