Pardon My Take - NFL With Steve Smith, The Jameis Winston Experience, CFB With Brandon Walker And Listener Submitted Pardon Your Takes

Episode Date: December 4, 2024

MNF was the full Jameis Winston experience and we can’t get enough (00:00:00-00:13:58). Incredible Rivalry week recap with Brandon Walker plus we talk CFP playoffs, who is going to get screwed, what takes we got wrong and is Brandon daunted (00:13:58-01:09:43)? Hot Seat/Cool Throne including incredible coping from Ohio State fans and NBA Cup (01:09:43-01:43:56). Steve Smith joins the show to make good on his bet, talk NFL, what receivers he loves, George Pickens and Super Bowl pick (01:43:56-02:15:08). We finish with listener submitted takes (02:15:08-02:29:56).You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/pardon-my-take

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think December 4th and PFT, I think that Jamis Winston is my favorite athlete of all time that I didn't root for on my own team. He is the best athlete to root for of all time on not your team. What we saw on Monday night, 460 yards, it was historic, historic. And I mean, I mean, truly historic, not in the we love Jamis Winston, we're going to call everything historic type of way, which we will do. Yeah, it was literally historic. He had four touchdowns Mm-hmm. He had three interceptions. Mm-hmm to pick sixes. Mm-hmm almost a third if You count every yard that was gained by an NFL football player who received any of his passes

Doesn't matter what uniform they're wearing. Yeah. He threw for 668 passing yards. I love it. That is the most of any quarterback in NFL history. Second is Vinnie Testiverdi. It's... And I think he had quite a quite a bit less than 668 combined passing yards. His passing chart was so funny. 34 for 58, 497, four touchdowns, three interceptions. James Winston should play every single prime time game. He should be all time quarterback. It was the full James Winston experience where it would be one drive, pick six, one drive. He's just dicing up a very good

Broncos defense. Yeah. And it was back and forth. Really good Broncos defense. And afterwards saying, I know I'm better than this. I'm praying for the Lord to deliver me from pick sixes. I, he's just the best. I love it. He's the fucking best. And I, listen, the Broncos are a good team. The Broncos are going to go to the playoffs. Bo Nicks, not his best night, but he still played well. He had a great, great throw that long touchdown. Oh yeah. That was a bosen rope. Yeah. To Mims, uh, that was sick. Uh, and, and bone X is the real deal, but this was the Jamis show. Like I feel bad because you know, it was going to be bone X is coming out party. Unfortunately had to play against Jamis Winston who good and bad he steals the show. He's so the Browns have went for, they went from being borderline

unwatchable early. I would say, I would say unwatchable. Well, we still watched them. Yeah, but like, if we could have not watched them, we would have not watched them. If I could mint and black myself and remove those memories, I would do it. To now, they are must-see TV. Yeah. And it sucks that they got flexed out of another primetime game, because I want to see more primetime James. That would have been,

it would have been the Browns and the Bengals in primetime. That time, that game, I guarantee you that game is going to be just a fireworks display. Yeah. Jamis might break norm van Brocklin's record for most yards passing in the game. That it's, it's going to be incredible. And I'm, I'm like, I'm getting retro mad where I was already mad that, uh, Deshaun Watson played the beginning of this season.

And now I'm retro mad that Andy Dalton played over James Winston last year when we were saying it should be James Winston. Will he make some mistakes? Yes. But will it be maybe the most exciting brand of football you could ever watch? Also yes. It's exciting. It's fun. Everybody, if you want to draw on the casual viewer, give us, well number one, give us a Simpsons game. Or two, give us James Winston. I'm kind of excited for the Simpsons game. Oh, I've been excited. I'm pumped to see what they do with it.

Like the Simpsons, that was my entire life. Yeah, yeah. So the Browns are officially, I mean they were already out, I think they officially got eliminated. Also Jerry Judy with a hell of a game. Yeah. Oh, incredible. Revenge game. Jerry Judy.

Although it was perfect because it was like he got the revenge and then the lasting image is him having to tackle a Broncos player off another James Swinson pick. The Browns are sorry, are not officially, officially eliminated, but they're out. They were three and nine. They were, they weren't, even if they won that game, it wouldn't have really changed anything. They are full on spoiler mode and the Broncoscos that was a win where it's like they are now on a collision course with There I mean their Colts game in two weeks is going to basically either be their inner out because that's the two teams Like the Colts still have to win

The Broncos are what two games up but that head-to-head will if the Colts win they have a real chance if they lose it's the Broncos mm-hmm yeah and I'm a bow leaver I'm a reformed bow leaver he's so good he hurt me enough in Auburn in Oregon I'm a I love bone X I also love seeing James and both side-by-side when they were doing the Monday Night Football graphic where they had them stand in front of the camera and they said okay, Okay, just, you know, stand there and maybe twirl the ball. Yeah. And James put on like a full on improv comedy routine. Yeah, for his he's, he's just the best. Yeah, he's a drug. James Winston is a drug that I want to be addicted

to forever. Yeah. And there's no downside. Well, except the pick sixes, which the Lord is gonna help us. Well, the Lord also said Jeremiah 2746, intercept them and give them a message for their masters. There you go. So we need to get that to Jamis. What other thoughts? Anything else from Monday Night Football? I mean, it was just a very fun game. The Broncos. It's also nice.

The Broncos are one of those teams that I want them to be in big games because it's just something about mile high. And like they're just they are football to me. I mean, we've talked about it before, but up until, you know, up until the Super Bowl when they went to paint Manning, if you look back 30 years, the Broncos were consistently just always there and they've had a really bad decade. And now with Bo Nix, they got something and it was cool to watch a big time game on Monday night, mile high. Were you also thinking the same way that this game would be just a little bit better if they weren't wearing those uniforms?

I liked the helmets though. I didn't like them. I want to see. I liked the white on white Bronco. That's Thursday night. Yeah. Oh, Max is on the couch by the way. Hank had a meeting.

We're just doing the intro. Hank's on the rest of the show. Max, any thoughts? You didn't watch Monday Night Football. No, I did not. I did not watch Monday Night Football. You didn't watch Monday Night Football? No, I don't. You know I don't watch Monday Night Football. But Jamis. I'm disgusted with you. That's gross, dude. I don't know what to tell you. What did you watch?

I caught up on some shows. What shows? I'm reading your mind right now Is there lady shows below deck you watch the lady show I watch silo Oh, I watched two episodes of silo made a nice chicken chili. Were you following along a little bit? Yes, I was I followed along the entire time. Did you not have FOMO of what is James doing right now? It's Broncos. It's I mean's Broncos. He's a winner. He's thinking about winning. He doesn't care about the low.

These teams have nothing to do with the Eagles. And that's basically... if the Lions were playing, I would be watching. Well, no, because if the Browns win, then you could be like that win against the Browns. That means a little bit more. Means not... I'm looking at winning the division, getting the one seed. Yeah. You're looking at Thursday Night Football.

Thursday Night Football, I will be dialed. Dialed. I just wish that you watched Monday Night seed. Yeah, that you look at Thursday night football on Thursday night football. I will be dialed Dial I just wish that you watch Monday football. Yeah, I'm Joe Buck. I love Joe Buck shout out I like Troy giving us a little nod where he said I'm a big Indiana guy. Yep Listen, I'm happy. I'm happy that Jamis entertained the people. I'll tell you that up So pug is in max's seat president pug Did you watch one of a football? Yes, I love sir president our president. Mm-hmm job pub memes. Did you watch one of a football? I?

Did okay? Your thoughts James Winston is an XQB of the New York Jets. Oh I didn't see that one coming wait is Rogers Were you were you just wishing something on Twitter when you said Rogers gonna retire at the end of Mac fee today? No, so I'm forced to watch Mac fee every Tuesday Because my quarterback does an hour-long interview and he was reminiscing on how the Jets impacted his life and it seemed like Because they said in an announcement was coming and he was

reminiscing and then it was just a trailer for his new show ah so you so that does you just torture yourself all week it doesn't sound like something that you'd say if you were still planning on having more memories that team it seemed like the memories were over yeah and what memories they were yeah you said you met some good people inside the building. Oh, that's always nice That's always a really that's always a failure line some really great people in the building damn Damn, yeah, so you didn't retire

Also, I'll shoot here got suspended three games after The Lawrence hit and he also apologized, but was it it was kind of weird was notes app Yeah notes apt it dark mode, which I think is appropriate. Yeah. Solid occasion. And then, D'Amico Ryan's kind of walked back some of the stuff that he was saying right after the game. Yeah, because he kind of threw him under the bus a little bit. And he kind of defended Alshahir. I have been watching, I watched the clip a bunch and I did some thinking, I did some ruminating on it. Okay. On the slide slide the quarterback slide

It's kind of weird that the way that you give yourself up to protect yourself in the NFL like the rule that's written in for quarterbacks Also puts you in a position where you're very likely to get concussed Yeah, how many times have we seen a quarterback slide? Their head is down near the ground They get even slightly hit on their head and it bounces off the ground and they get a concussion. Yeah. It feels like it's one of those rules where I understand why they did it because they have to protect the golden boys. Yeah. What guys are bringing the money. The alternative is they just get hammered. They get hammered, they learn not to run or they

dive headfirst. Yeah because I have seen this take throw around like oh the slide is actually making it more dangerous for quarterbacks. I feel like that can't be right. I know it makes it more dangerous for quarterbacks in the rare occasion where a Trevor Lawrence hit happens. But how many times do we see a slide where nothing happens and guys give up? Right. And they're safe. I think um, I have no data to back this up. I'm just going on vibes. Okay. I feel like the slide you have a higher likelihood of getting a concussion, getting crunched and not sliding. You have a higher likely,

much higher likelihood of getting another injury. But I agree with that. But what I'm saying is the slide, I guess someone has to give us the data, but it feels like it feels like you you could do it's it's like the traffic analogy where it's like you could you could have no traffic For a month and then the one day you have traffic you're like goddamn it traffic is the worst I can never get out of traffic like we're we're reacting to Trevor Lawrence But how many slides happen in a week where nothing happens? I think it's also like extending the traffic analogy. You're way, way more likely to get into a car crash

than you are into a plane accident. But if you get into a plane crash, you're dead. You're dead, that's true. It's very safe to slide. But it goes more dangerous than, yeah. If it goes wrong, you're fucked. Yeah, I wonder what Tua's thoughts are on this. He's like, no, let's go head first.

Yeah, I mean, some quarterbacks do that. They dive head first. Yeah, you're fucked. Yeah. I wonder what to his thoughts are on this. He's like, now let's go head first. Yeah. I mean, some quarterbacks do that. They dive head first. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. They do the little roll. I mean, this also was like, there are sometimes when a slide happens, you're like, that was bang bang. This was avoidable. It was kind of, yeah, it was avoidable. But also we do forget how quickly this, of course it was a bad one. I mean, he had forearm to the head. Yeah, I think it was kind of targeted and I think it's probably worthy of some sort of a suspension But three games is a lot. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely Your thoughts I know you don't watch football, but where your thoughts 80s kicking in

It's a lot more present when it's right here. Yeah on the couch Oh, I I get a good look at him during during the show and I just see him foot He's like looking all around the room Yeah, dizzy. Yeah. Yeah. No, I have ADD and I think it was a dirty hit and then the fight was bad, but it's not Eagles So who the fuck? Neither of those teams really affect the Eagles. So that's what I got. Oh, it's not Eagles. Okay Well, let's we have a great show because we did a an hour with Brandon and Liam Blutman joined at the end. And we have Steve Smith senior.

We're going to talk a lot of college football because it's the best time of year for college football. Uh, let's kick it to ourselves. And let's get into that discussion. Okay. Before we talk college football with Brandon Walker, we're brought to you by our friends at Chevy. There's a reason we've never done a Mount Rushmore of pickup trucks. And that's because for pardon my take, there's only one pickup truck, the Chevy Silverado. Why is that?

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football expert. By the way, at memes, I asked you if you could find me their picks so we could do an update at the end with between Brandon and Tom Fresneli. Cause that is to decide the true expert of part of my take. And Brendan's very paranoid right now. We got a second mic set up. Gee, I wonder why. And you think that we're not just going to have you on. You think Andy Staples is walking in the door. I think Andy Staples could be behind that door.

I think Tom Frinelli. I think Chip Patterson. I think Danny Cannell. I think Josh Pate. It's just you. I think Ben Metz could be on the other side. That's definitely not happening. It's just you, and we're here to talk ball.

We're in the office, Brandon. Yeah. We're likely here to talk. We're here to talk ball, and let's start. So we'll do like a mini recap, and then we'll look forward. I don't feel good about the standings we had, because I didn't even remember we did that on the couch the last time I was here.

Yeah. But I remember getting the teams. I think I had Oklahoma State, so that was probably not good. But you guys had to pick a lot of teams like he had like Iowa or something. Ah, okay. So I threw out the idea on Sunday's pod. And I know you've probably talked about it. But I think that Ohio State's loss on Saturday was one of the worst losses of all time. I think it's a top five worst loss in my life that I can think of. Yeah, but it is time for a recalculation of what we think worst losses can be because they're not dead at all and they're going to spend the next three

weeks hearing how much they suck and hearing their coach should be fired and hearing how embarrassing this is and it is embarrassing but shit they might get up off the match. I agree with you that it changes it that they're not eliminated but unless they win the national title, Michigan will then say, like if they lose in the college football playoff, Michigan will say, well, it's because Michigan ended their season. Well keeping it just a Saturday, you talk about an Ohio State team that was number two, had everything to play for, and not only that, for the last 364 days, you had three years

of embarrassment built up. And it was all leading to this. When you finally got a chance to play them on an even playing field, you thought, and finally got a chance to take out three years of frustrations. And then you just didn't. And you let them out tough you on your own home field. It was, it's the most embarrassing loss I can remember because Ryan Day is the one coach who couldn't get embarrassed in this spot. And he did. Yeah. He is, he's the modern day John Cooper. This is who he is. He's John Cooper where John Cooper had great recruiting classes at Ohio state and went two and 10 against Michigan. He can't, it's why I love this rivalry. It's why I love rival rivalry

weekend. Uh, Ryan Day can't get over the Michigan hump. He, there's something about it. He doesn't, it was similar to when urban Meyer was getting Ohio to a spot where it's like they would just beat the fuck out of Michigan and they melt meant more for those guys. Michigan played their bad football team and in Ohio state played so tense and Ryan day choked and they, they, they had an outside advantage throwing the ball and they didn't throw the ball. Also, I did say in our preview, Will Howard was my main bug about Ohio state and that proved true. Well, but that was so catastrophic for Ryan day and Ohio state's program, because if they fire Ryan day, they're basically have to reset for a couple of years because you can't fire him before the playoffs are over. Well, the

playoffs are over the transfer portal is going to be opening up. Right. So everything's, I'm going to steal a take from Mark Titus who did it on mostly sports, but he was right. Ryan Day came out the other day, Ryan Day and Chip Kelly, the offensive coordinator, came out and they seemed determined to win the right way. They wanted to show they were tougher than Michigan. Correct.

They wanted to show, we're soft? Yeah, we're going to run it right down Michigan's throat. And that played right into their advantage advantage Michigan has the best defensive line They have a great defensive line and you have advantages everywhere else But they kept running first down second down then third down They tried to throw it and everybody's covered up like they tried to win a certain way and they couldn't do it They never adjusted. It was a shocking failure of coaching. It was a shocking failure of preparation It was a shocking lack of nuts and It was a shocking lack of nuts. And to be

honest, your point is correct. They went to the Mercedes dealership this year and got a safety. They went to the Mercedes dealership and they got a running back and they went to Dollar General and got a quarterback. I have no idea why they did that when Miami's going out and getting Cam Ward and everybody else is doing this and they settle for Will Howard. Yeah. And I knew, I mean, Will Howard's a nice player. Will Howard should not be the starting quarterback for a $20 million roster at Ohio State in a must-win season. Or you can get away with using him if you're going to throw the ball to your skill players that are much better than Michigan skill players. So like Michigan, Michigan,

when they changed the tide because Harbaugh was like, we're going to beat you playing man football. Right. We're going to just be tougher. We're going to shove you around. And it worked for him. Ohio state still has that advantage of having better skill position players. And now, especially Michigan's not as tough as they were when Harbaugh was there. But when Ohio state tries to play Michigan's game, Michigan's still going to be able to beat them at that shitty brand of football. But Will Howard also is not a pat. Like he's not a great passer.

No, he's an okay passer. He's not a 45. he's not a great passer. No, he's an okay passer. He's not a 45 He's not CJ Stroud, you know so it's like they built this all the parts around him and Then they gave it to him and it's like dude you if you're gonna build this team You need to you need to actually get a passer Yeah, they gave the keys to a race car to like a to like a a four-wheel driver Yeah, like an off-road rider. Yeah, but it doesn't belong behind the wheel of something that powerful to use away from Georgia to drive that car

Yeah, something like that. Do you do you do you think they fire Ryan day because it actually is I don't either because I I Think that firing Ryan Ryan day at this point is gonna be very difficult because you're gonna get you're probably gonna win your first college That was fun off game Yeah The schedule is so messed up in college football and you lose all your stud players and you have to reset I think they're gonna have to wait till they don't make the college football playoff for Ryan Day to get fired I mean signing day this coming out tomorrow. Yeah sign today is today, right? This is high school signing day

This is when everybody gets better for the next four years of the transfer portal is gonna open and close by the time the playoff Is over so they will not have any window. The players won't have any window to leave Ohio state. It's why Michigan had a down year because Jim Harbor had to wait till after the national championship to leave. Yeah. And they were forced to hire Sharon more. Maybe they were going to do that anyway. But, uh, and who are you going to hire? The coaching carousel will be done by the end. You'll be lucky to get somebody out of retirement or get somebody late in the game. It's just the schedule doesn't work. You need a little bit more roadway to fire a guy in this day and age.

And plus they could still win the fucking national championship. Yeah, they could. That's what would be so crazy about it. So Brandon, the real reason why I had you on today's show was because- All right, here we come. Well, I mean, we've talked a lot about Ohio State and it's probably painful. We have a lot of listeners that are Buckeyes that are going to be listening to this and they feel down about themselves.

They need some advice on how to handle it, how to get over it. You have lost a lot of rivalry games in your life, a ton. The egg a lot. It's actually not true. Since 1990 when it went to campuses, it's tied at 17. So it's 50-50. You've lost a lot recently. Not really.

So do you have any advice for Ohio State students or fans on what the next couple weeks are going to look like? How you like to get over bad losses? I'd like to point something out real quick. I don't like to say this a lot. Brandon's a Buckeye too, by the way. I'm not. Our coach died. So that's really kind of unprecedented in college football. Not a lot of coaches die. Sounds like you're bragging. I'm not bragging at all, but our coach did die. So we've been in an unprecedented situation. It really doesn't apply to Ohio State at all, at all. And they've lost four in a row. We've only lost four out of five. So there's no real comparison there.

That's a big difference. Urban Meyer should also be four out of five. He almost died several times. Yeah. Anytime he almost lost to Maryland, he would die. Sure. Sure. But he didn't die.

Yeah. It is so crazy that urban Meyer was able to like, urban Meyer would lose to Purdue, right? urban Meyer would not lose to Michigan. No. And Ryan Day is has flipped where Ryan Day, that is also not to just really pick on Ryan Day, but it's so crazy that Jim Harbaugh broke his brain to such an extent with the born on third thing, where he is, he puts so much pressure on himself That was not only the worst loss for Ryan Day just because it was Michigan

That was the worst loss in terms of like Quality of opponent that Ryan Day has ever had he never loses schematically to bad teams Yeah, and Michigan was a bad team. They were a bad team It was a it was it was bad in every way a loss could be bad And if you lose to Purdue in a season as Ohio state, your fan, your fan base is mad. They're, they're furious until the next game. Correct. And then you put it all back together. Well, the next game for the next game in this rivalry isn't till 365 more days. The next game isn't really going to,

the next game on your schedule isn't going to fix this. They're going to be mad for a year. Yeah, they are. There's, there's not a lot. So if you lose to Purdue, you write that off. It's a trap game. Right. Overlooked an inferior opponent. Oh, well, it's not great. Yeah. Yeah. We can get over it. But this is the one opponent that you're supposed to be thinking about all year long. And you were thinking about them all year. Yeah. You've been thinking about their debt. But I believe I think Ryan Day said it right. I think Michigan's in his head at this point. Oh, and he is not himself against Michigan. They are not themselves against Michigan They try to pose as somebody they're not to beat Michigan and that's not how you're beat once you do that

Yeah, he's he like tries to do like a fake tough guys. Like you're not Jim Harbaugh. You're not urban Meyer That's not who you're John Cooper. That's not what your program is Yeah, but our base got picked off your program is having the best players in every position. Well the wind. Play to that strength. The wind. They didn't account for the wind. Yeah.

They didn't say who's windy. They could have at least, I know, I'm not saying that Will Howard's the best quarterback in college football. Yeah. He's not. Well he's not. But they could have at least tried to get the ball to their playmakers. Well he threw two really bad picks.

He threw one pick. He set him up at the two yard line. Yeah. He did. And he also threw a pick where they should have scored points. Yeah. And it was a bad pick where they should've scored points. Yeah. And it was a bad pick. And it's not like Michigan had this overwhelming,

like they were the same bad team they were all year. Their quarterback threw for 62 yards. Their quarterback threw the worst pick in the history of football when they were trying to take the lead with seven minutes left. And that's when I knew Ohio State was done. When Ohio State got that play, that should've been the light switch.

That should've been like, all right, well, we fucked around long enough, let's go do it. Yeah. They go run up the middle for nothing, a little dinky pass Yeah. They go, they go run up the middle for nothing. A little dinky pass that gets dropped and then a run up the middle for nothing. That's pun it right back. And they just were not, they were not ready to compete. And you know who probably wins that game? Who? Kyle McCord. Oh, Kyle McCord wins that game by three times. He can pass.

Yeah. He can't run like Will Howard. Yeah. But they wanted to. Yeah, I know. It's crazy Yeah, and Chip Kelly is is kind of because Ryan Day has been the head coach and has lost so many games Chip Kelly's game plan and his aggressive or lack of aggressiveness is killing that team Yeah, cuz not only did it happen against Michigan, but they had a very slow start again against Penn State They had a very slow start Indiana. They asked Nebraska. Yeah, you're not coming out and being aggressive offensively and it's killing them Yeah, and Kyle McCord like it is like I feel I'm happy for him because what I say was 12-1 last year Yeah, and he any lost by six points to the national champions had the ball for 30 to like win the game like I understand You wanted a mobile quarterback, but yeah, you have the dudes to beat him on the outside You got to get someone to get him the ball. All right, so any other rivalry weekend? I mean the Georgia Georgia Tech. Here's the take

They have to have to have to figure out the overtime rules because we can't have a playoff game in that way No, we can't have a playoff game in that way, but they don't want to figure out the overtime rules They just changed it three or four. I understand. I'm saying like, like there's different overtime rules in the NFL. Yeah. You know, MLB does the guy on second in, in regular season. Then they take that away. Like you can't Georgia Georgia tech was an incredible game. So much fun to watch. I still don't know what to make of Georgia. I just know that if we have to watch two point conversion to decide a national champion, it's going to suck. It will be absolutely sickening, but that is very,

very much on the table Just pretty just be like playoffs to get the old it. Yeah 25 put them 25 we had that format for years right one seven overtime game spooked us I have no idea why one game out of out of however many college football games are in a year There's probably a bunch. I have no idea why one game spurred the change, but college football will well I feel like that's an adjustable rule that if that were to happen, they can go back and just say, you know what, for a do or die game, for a game that must have a result, we're going to have a result.

Yes. I think that just doing it the regular way in a meaningful game, that would make by far the most sense. It was so annoying too to watch. Like there's no flow on offense for either team. You don't have any real drought It's just like all or nothing on this one play. It's coin flip and and I'll tell you what I was really struck by with that game Play calling on two-point conversions particularly in these situations. Yeah have really collabed. They're terrible Okay, so if you have the ball on the two-yard line in a game Yes, right in the course of a normal game, right. What are you likely to do in that scenario? Run. You're likely to run the football for some reason in this overtime,

like coaches brains get broken. Correct. And they think we have to pass the ball from the two yard line. Can you explain that to me at all? That makes no sense. There were 12 two point conversions in the six over times after the first couple, right? There were 12 two point conversions. There were two running plays, including the one run that won the game. Yeah. But when Georgia finally said we're going to run it, we're gonna win. Haynes King spent the

entirety of that game running the football and dominating George's offensive line. Just he kept he was just running for three running for four running for five slant to the two point conversions and they have to have it. They want him to turn into Joe Montana and become a precision passer And I have no idea why Georgia Tech went away from that I have no idea why coaches try to outsmart themselves and say you know what I'm gonna roll him out I'm gonna give him options cuz that's what they're I think they just ran out of their place like I think they go into

A game and they have to I know I know they have three or four like you know dynamite to put it's crazy Given the way the overtime works you got to go in there with a lot more than three plays But Haynes King and regulation I believe had 18 carries something like that and you get the only But it's crazy given the way the overtime works. You gotta go in there with a lot more than three plays. But Haynes King in regulation, I believe, had 18 carries, something like that. And you get to- He's a bully. You get to overtime and he has zero?

Oh yeah, one carry in overtime. He didn't score, but only one carry. Sometimes not having options is way better. Yeah. You know what you have to do. Go that way. Yeah, so, and then after the game, the postgame hug between Brent Key and Kirby Smart.

He's crying. How long, did you clock that? I feel like it was a minute hug. I didn't clock it. It was at first. I was like, wow, that's nice to see. Yeah. That's, that's nice. Two guys locked in battle. And then after about 30 seconds, I'm like, all right, let's wrap it up. This is getting a little, a little much too much. Yeah. And it was very close. There might've been some neck kissing. That's how close it was. Yeah, it was was very close. There might have been some neck kissing. That's how close it was Yeah, it was by the way, we got the list So this is the this is the preseason list where we made Brandon and Tom almost

Well, I there's no way there's any good teams left Brandon and Tom picked They each got 12 picks right and if one of their picks wins the national title, they are our college football expert for an entire year. So one pick from each of them. I'm going back and listening. So top but I'll just say the ones that are that are meaningful here. Tom has Georgia, Oregon, Tennessee, Penn State and Alabama, which I want to talk about.

Yeah. Brandon has Ohio State, Clemson, Texas Miami and Notre Dame Ole Miss Ole Miss Coach Kiffin's making a Campaign so let's talk about that. It looks very even Brandon sure we're taping this at 230 in the afternoon. We don't know what the actual standings are gonna be but we can take a guess They're gonna find a way to get Alabama into this tournament afternoon. We don't know what the actual standings are going to be, but we can take a guess. They're going to find a way to get Alabama into this tournament. Yeah, they are. But

given the options. So it's basically as far as I can understand, it's SMU wins the ACC title game. Right. There's going to be a spot. Alabama will get it in my opinion. And I don't think that's the correct pick, but I think that's what they're going to do. If SMU loses, as long as it's not a bloodbath, it will be Clemson and SMU. Yeah, to put it frankly, there's 11 spots that are just spoken for right now. There's 11 spots, the four in the Big Ten, three in the SEC, you're an ACC champ, you're a Big 12 champ, you're a Group of Five, you're Notre Dame. So there's 11 spots. SMU and Clemson play. If Clemson wins, they steal the spot, and. And SMU who goes 11 and won the regular season probably shouldn't get punished. They should take that 12 spot. I think they will. I think

they will too. Now if Clemson loses, SMU wins. SMU takes the is inside the 11 and that opens up for Miami at 10 and two that opens up for Alabama, Ole Miss, South Carolina at nine and three. I think they would give it to Alabama. I do too. And out of the three SEC teams that is far and away the best options. That's where we disagree. But also you should preface this, you hate the Gamecocks. I hate all SEC teams, not Mississippi State. And frankly, I see what you're doing. I see what you're doing. Oh, I hate the game dude, cuz that's what every emotional fan base thinks If you say one thing that isn't sucking their dick that you hate them. No, I don't hate him

I'm just saying reality. Okay, you sound like an emotional fan base They're in is here in the SEC and they're up against Alabama for the spot and Ole Miss for this spot and they lost to both of them. Yeah, no I think this is a fair point. I just want to preface it by so the people knew it was a good preface You hate the Cox. Yes, it was unbiased journal. You're exactly right I hate out of this group Alabama who I live next to my whole life and my mother is a fan and I hate her And Ole Miss who I absolutely hate and wish they all their businesses would fail their marriages would get divorced I hate them. You're right, South Carolina is the one I hate the most.

Okay, so Brandon, we actually agree that you can't just disregard what happened on the field. And Alabama will miss beat them. I think it's gonna be Alabama because that's just what they're gonna do. Who should it be then? I want it to be South Carolina because I think they're playing the best ball and in terms of like a viewership, I want to see Lenore Snead in the in the playoffs sellers. Sorry. What was it? Oh, I was thinking of Snead from Kansas City Lenore Sellers in the playoffs. I Want to see them. They've been playing great ball. I don't want to see Alabama again who failed You know three times and one to Oklahoma. I

Really don't want to see Miami. I know that cam war is exciting, but their defense can't stop anything. I wouldn't mind seeing Miami because I can score and be fun game. But I just think like you, it's a flawed system in the fact that you're going to, if you, if you don't put in my, if you put in Miami, that's actually the easiest thing the committee could do because of like, Hey, they have two losses. You can't lose three times. I'd totally be fine with that. Be like, you know what? Don't lose three times. But if they do go from the sec teams, I want the team that's playing the best ball right now. I think that playing the best ball is a crutch that people are leaning on. Uh, that's my personal preference.

When you say they're playing the best ball, all you're really telling me is they played all the teams capable of beating them early rather than late. They did get screwed against LSU. They made a comeback sellers wasers was hurt. They scored a late touchdown to beat Missouri with 10 seconds left. Missouri's not that good at all. They did that. They won on a last second touchdown against Clemson. This isn't a team that's just rolling everybody all of a sudden. They've won the last six, including four against ranked teams. Two of those teams were Missouri, who's not good, and Vanderbilt. Let me ask you a question. If they keep an undefeated Florida State team out last year

because of quarterback issues, shouldn't sellers being out against LSU be put into the- I don't mind the committee looking at that, but I don't think sellers being out for a quarter and a half against LSU is the reason- Well, it's a three point game that they got screwed on. Is the reason they gave up 36 points to an LSU offense that couldn't score 36 against anybody else.

There was also some bad calls. I think quarterback thing is like if if they want a reason to keep you out and you have an impact player that's not going to play, they will use that as a reason but they're not going to give you a benefit. I know which is bullshit. I think quarterback was out for a game and I hear people saying that you know like Florida State last year. They want to use that precedent. That's a four-team playoff. That was a

once in a lifetime thing. This is a twelve- 12 team playoff. This team has lost three times It's not like you're nitpicking to say one thing about them when they lost three times like that What you did beat Tom Fernelion was in the argument of whether or not the the 12 team playoff is better It's way better. It's so good like we've all these conversations we're having right now We would not be having these at all so many many games in November matter. Matter. So many games. All of them. I mean, Miami Syracuse was a big fucking game. This ACC championship game coming up as is, I think we will care more about this ACC championship than we've ever cared about the big 12 championship, the mountain west championship, all these games that are winning, getting their playoff games. It's so great. And I, so yeah. So I

think the South Carolina thing, I, I, I don't think they'll put South Carolina in. Those are playoff games. They're playoff games. It's so great. And so I think the South Carolina thing, I don't think they'll put South Carolina in. I understand the reasoning. I'm just saying personal preference. I would love to see them because I think that they- You just don't want to see Alabama again. Yeah, that's part of it. That's part of it. That's fine. But Alabama beat Georgia. Yeah. Alabama beat South Carolina. Alabama lost to a really bad Oklahoma team. That's true. They did. And they got killed. And they lost to a mediocre Vanderbilt. And South Carolina. They did they and they got killed They lost to a mediocre Vanderbilt and yeah, South Carolina beat them both But they also South Carolina lost to LSU Alabama killed him. Yeah, you know, you're right in South Carolina did get worked by Ole Miss Yeah, like South Carolina. We're talking about South Carolina and Alabama South Carolina can't pass Ole Miss Ole Miss beat him

27 to 3 at their place right? He was right when he said it last week like just don't ever let a three-team Lost team in I don't ever let a three team lost team in, just put Miami in. I don't like seeing the number three. If you're giving an at large bid to it, here's the problem with three loss. I know the problem with it this year is that you don't have that many teams to choose from. It's not just this year. If you look back over the last 20, 30, if you're, if you're talking, all right,

we're going to do a 12 team playoff and you retroactively take that 12 team playoff back 30 years, there's three lost teams inside the top 12 every year. Yeah. All the time. There's a three lost team inside the top 12. So that's just going to happen. And when you say it's a flaw system, you're right. Any system we choose is going to be flawed. But we are. So we also are talking on Sunday. They'll have a selection, right? We know 11 of the spots right now. Yeah, that's pretty good. Yeah. No, I, I, I've been a long proponent of the way to fix all of this is you need to actually embrace College football being an NFL model where you have divisions Yeah in each conference and it's the division winners go so

They play out of their own conference and then you get to the playoffs So it's like you're you decided on the field Yeah, that's like Alabama and Ole Miss are on the field. Yeah. That's like Alabama and Ole Miss are in the state. You say they're in the same division. They want, you know, LSU, Alabama, Ole Miss Mississippi state. Sorry. That's a bad division for you. Alabama and Ole Miss will be playing this weekend to see who comes out of the sec south to whatever the real problem is we don't have a set tiebreaker system. Yeah. So in the NFL you got the divisions. Yeah. But, and you know, every winner of each division they get in every conference champion gets in

But we have no tiebreaker system That's on like a national scale for the at-large bids under the system the the super conferences are probably a mistake The super conferences this year have allowed up teams certain teams. I'm just saying I'm gonna say it, Indiana. They've allowed Let me say what I wanted let me say what I'm gonna say. Undaunted. Let me say what I'm gonna say. We're an undaunted podcast. Yeah, you sound a little daunted right now. You sound super daunted. You guys are two on the internet.

You know that? No. No. We're two on the internet? A team that goes 11-1 in the Big Ten should be in the playoffs. Absolutely they should. Everyone's more on the internet. You're gonna allow me...

You block half the internet. I would like you to be undaunted. Would you allow me to do the point? Would you like to be undaunted? Would you like me to do the point? Would you like to be undaunted? An 11-1 Big Ten team deserves to be in 100% of the time. Indiana deserves to be in. However, these big conferences allow schedule disparity that we didn't have before. And the schedule disparity allows

Ohio State to play every other team in the top five of the Big Ten and Indiana to play none of them. Yeah, I mean, listen, part of my undauntedness, if I'm being totally transparent here, is I have looked ahead and 2026 is the year that I will have to be undaunted for the Wisconsin Badgers because if we can put our shit back together, we can be like a 10 in one and never played any one team. I'll use another team. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

You don't get to say that about Indiana because if you want to talk strength of schedule if you want to talk strength of schedule for Indiana though, I believe that their strength of schedule is now better than Notre Dame. And Notre Dame has a way worse loss. I'm going to use another team. Schedule disparity has been caused by big conferences and all the contenders in conference not playing each other.

Texas is another great example. There are six nine-win teams in the SEC. Texas played one of them. That team beat them by 15 points, right? Like Texas but Texas is in this playoff No doubt because Texas and Georgia didn't play the same schedule that didn't play anywhere near the same schedule So what I'm saying is the system is good I like the 12 team playoff But the fact that you've got these 16 and 18 team conferences allows these pockets of bad schedules to affect this

That's why they need to do the divisions and it's not Indiana's fault. It's not, it's not Texas's fault. They played the schedule put in front of them, but we need to make sure schedule disparity is addressed at some point. What are you looking at? It looks like Indiana. Where's Indiana on this list? Uh, Indiana was, was what's the list? 65. Oh, there's 65. I thought they were in the 50s was 57. Okay, so they're close. I think last you also can't we should say you can't predict year to year because Indiana did play the national champ the reigning national champions and the team that went to the national championship last year you can't predict that like again not Indiana's fault right but it

is a consequence of the big conference of teams playing on balance schedules within the I feel like you can't even predict what the schedules are gonna be you know what I mean like you do you just get down yeah yeah there's your teams will be down like I think your point is valid it's you know it's not fair to have certain teams have to play a gauntlet and then other teams only dip their toes but you guys did did what a lot of people on the internet are doing. If I use Indiana, for example, because they're Cinderella, if I use them, for example, people freak out. Oh my God, daunted all this stuff. But use Texas, for example. They're like, oh, okay.

Well, you do sound daunted. It's the same as I've been saying it. Uh, the three lost teams in the SEC, Alabama, Ole Miss and, and South Carolina, you know, also has three losses at a big conference, Illinois, Illinois, uh, Syracuse. Syracuse. Illinois. Illinois shouldn't have lost to Minnesota, but Alabama shouldn't have lost to Oklahoma. That's why I don't have any sympathy for three loss SEC teams. When Indiana had one loss and there were some two loss SEC teams, I was like, let's take a look at the schedules. But Alabama and Ole Miss particularly gave up any advantage they have with strength of schedule. When lost when they chose to lose to Kentucky When they lost to Oklahoma when they lost to Vanderbilt like you've heard any schedule talk when you lose to bad teams on your schedule

Yeah, so you sound moderately daunted, but that's fine. Yeah, you're you're like, I'm the only person in the world I think you wake up undaunted and then it slowly like wipes off where the end of the day you go to bed You're daunted. So there's a I'm forever going through a daunting throughout my day yeah right you as the day goes on it wears on you and you should become daunted by the right now I'm kind of daunted yeah you're very daunted we were to talk at like 9 p.m. the most daunted yeah I'm the opposite I wake up in the morning a little bit daunted like a hangover but then as the day goes on yeah the world gets better you shed your daunting I said by daunting yeah so I want to give you the opportunity ever been daunted like a hangover but then as the day goes on yeah the world gets better you shed your daunting I said by daunting yeah so I want to give you the opportunity ever been daunted big

cat I'm always undaunted actually no I was a little daunted like I was cause a little I was a little daunted in the fourth quarter of Ohio State Indiana and then the SEC shit the bed and that became undaunted yeah yeah so Brandon I want to give you the opportunity to talk a little bit more about Ole Miss because Lane Kiffin is making a very powerful argument online. He's taking upon himself to just kind of he's embarrassing himself as he has most of the season. I like Lane Kiffin on this podcast. I don't I don't give a shit. Okay, I'm just letting you know

that we that's fine. You can like whoever you want. Okay, sounds like you guys are daunted. Why do you know what embarrassing himself? Because Lane Kiffin had a roster worthy of going to the playoff. Lane Kiffin had a roster He built a roster worthy of winning a national championship. He has probably the best defensive line in the country He has one of the five best quarterbacks in the country is one of the five best receiving rooms in the country He had everything lined up and he beat Georgia and he beat South Carolina 27 to 3 This is a team that can compete with anybody in the country and he beat South Carolina 27 to 3. This is a team that can compete with anybody in the country and he figured out a way to

lose to Kentucky, to lose to a bad LSU team, to lose to Florida on the road last week. The entire time he has been, he whined this year about, oh the SEC didn't give us any night games, our fan base deserves better. Oh, a couple of weeks ago, he's like, it would be a big disadvantage if we went to the SEC Championship game. A lot of coaches I've talked to don't want to go to it because if they lose, they might be out.

Lane Kiffin as the Ole Miss coach should be saying, we want to go to the SEC Championship game. We haven't won the SEC in 60 years. We'd love to go and win and get to the playoff and do all this. And now, he's doing this whining about schedule and he's whining about strength of schedule and he's doing all this while all he had to do

was beat Kentucky, a four and eight team who won one SEC game. Yeah, at home. At Ole Miss. He is grandstanding, he is out there preaching, he's out there doing it and the one thing he didn't do was coach his football team, which was a winner. All right, so a lot of things you said are correct,

but one thing. I didn't say anything incorrect. Well, no, I'll just say this. Nick Saban did this every year, but Nick Saban did it when he went 11 and one. I understand. But I'm, I'm fine with coaches advocating for their case. I would want them to do that. I agree with you. Like don't lose to Kentucky, but I would rather my coach try to fight it than just lay down and be like, yeah, we shouldn't have to Kentucky. But I would rather my coach try to fight it than just lay down and be like, yeah, we shouldn't have lost to Kentucky. You gotta fight. You gotta fight for your guys.

But you know when you could have fought? Yeah. When Mark Stoops was beating your ass at your own place. That's a fact. That's a fact. Brandon, I wanna say, okay, a couple things here about the college football playoff. One, I think one of the dumbest narratives going right now

is that it is bad to go to your championship game because I hate it Like do people understand what a buy is? Yeah, a buy is very important in a fucking playoff Correct and rest that's rest and also you don't have to win a playoff game Yeah, you get out like I know that everyone has it, you know Notre Dame Getting the five spot is actually probably advantageous I understand that but I still would rather have a buy. You have a buy. And for some of these teams, uh, it, in certain situations, you could be avoiding a road playoff game. Like there's so many things.

A buy is the perfect thing at this time of the year. You have somebody go out the week before and they wear themselves out. A buy would be incredible. These coaches should be saying sec championship game, big 12 championship game. We, if we make it, we're going to go when they gotta be saying that saying that it's loser talk is what they're doing. It is. It's losers talking. I those teams getting a buy this week, like Notre Dame is getting a buy, but it's not in the playoff. But, but what, but what he's saying is like getting a buy for rest for rest, but they're getting that this week a buy in the playoff Penn State who is currently ranked higher than Notre Dame could play

themselves out of that five seed no I don't because just because they lose to the number one team I don't think that they're going to ding teams like ten Texas Georgia to Oregon Notre Dame will 1000% take that well Notre Dame is always the tricky one because they they will always help Notre Dame I think I but I still would buy a seat is built for an owner I still would rather play for a buy because you said it's a buy in the playoff That's the things you don't have to play like playing a playoff game is going to be intense I'm saying play a matter a winner a one-game playoff game. You could you could have a bad game

It's gonna matter if your buy is the week before as Opposed to two weeks before three weeks before That's a big deal too. Like if you sit out the the championship game, okay That's a little bit different than sitting at a play. Yeah, but y'all are going to deeps ahead a sitting head coach Speaking into a mic and saying we do not want to go to our coffee shift Yes, something bad might happen is such me. That's bitch man. That is I like that I said that with your chest is better on it is absolutely bitch me. It's bitch man Notre Dame could they win it all no, I don't I agree

I but they can beat people who can't win at all. Yes. I think their defense is elite It's a little it's sim their run game is incredible. Jeremiah love is awesome It's similar to kind of Ohio State where it's like, do I trust Riley Leonard in a big moment? I think for me is no, I don't trust Riley Leonard a big moment. I don't really trust Marcus Freeman in a big moment. I think they are built to, to beat an organ to beat an Ohio State to maybe be the Texas I don't think they can beat three

of those in a row. Maybe two out of three. I just I don't think they're going to be able to put together enough of a passing game. I don't think they can beat three of those in a row. Maybe two out of three. I just, I don't think they're going to be able to put together enough of a passing game. I don't think they'll be able to put together enough of a, even a consistent run game. I think they can beat like, uh, like if they met Ohio state in the second round, I don't know how the seeds are going to line up, but they could beat them like 14 to 10 and then get beat the next week, 17, six or something like that. I don't think they have enough consistent offense to win three games in a row so at their best each team at their best Whose best is better than everyone else's I think Ohio State's best is still the best in the country followed by Oregon with their offensive Line banged up he asked that their best. Oh

But at their best right now. Yeah with the left tackle and the center out for the year. Yeah, I'm not saying like It's Oregon or Ohio State. So who can win the whole thing? Because I've been- Oregon can win it, Ohio State can win it, Texas can win it, Georgia can win it. I don't know, I guess Texas, I mean, I don't know if Texas A&M was good or not.

I actually liked Texas this week because I think Georgia just went through hell in that game. Yeah. But I don't know, I don't know. Texas also got embarrassed the way they played against Georgia. Big time, big time embarrassed. Yeah. And I think Sark Sark is a coach is I trust him schematically enough to not have that happen again. Yeah. And even more. I'm not even worried about the players. I'm just saying this coach, I believe will come out here with something to really prove. Yeah, it's Yeah. I just want to I wanted to revisit a conversation. We had a while ago Brandon. That's not fair or might be fair Yeah, it's fair. Okay, it happened. I have the exact date that it happened. Oh boy. It was September 24th Okay, you ever Lord

2024 huh? I said to you I Like Travis Hunter to win the Heisman Trophy. And you said, I would not make that bet. That's true. I did say that you did say that. And he tried to talk me out of it. Big Cat talked me into it. I made the bet. You, you daunted me a little bit in that moment saying, no, I'm, I'm admitting self admitting. I got a little bit daunted after their conversation. Cause I, I was saying with my chest, I was all in on Travis Hunter. Thank God. Big Cat brought me back in on it.

Yes, thank God. August, Brandon. I placed a bet in August. You said he wouldn't have the stats. Correct. Well, as a cornerback, Brandon, you're a smart guy. You know that stats aren't everything for a good cornerback. Well, I-

Brandon, let me tell you something. Wait, you're a cornerback? I don't know what he's saying. No, as a cornerback, they don't- He said as a cornerback, Brandon. Cornerback. The stats don't tell the story. They don't give what he's saying. No, as a quarterback, they don't. He said as a quarterback, Brandon, the cornerback, the stats don't tell the story. They don't give out a lot of speeding tickets. That's also not, they don't, they don't give out a lot of speeding tickets in Amish country. That's not what I said. It's that doesn't mean the roads are unsafe. That's not what I

said. What'd I say? Well, you said, I said, he's not going to have the stats because of something. You said he's not going to have the stats because of something. We said he's not gonna have the stats because there will be a quarterback that separates what I said was if Travis hunter plays every snap of every game like he is doing for 12 games, he will probably win the Heisman. I said that is virtually impossible. I just cannot see somebody with his usage rate surviving 12 surviving 12 games. Whoa, what? But it's virtually impossible

but then he did it so he sounds like he should be the husband yeah what are you doing you don't have to continue I'm just going to win the Heisman you don't have to can are you gonna vote for him if you had a vote I don't have a vote if you had a vote I I'm not on your head if you had a vote no I would wow but would you have voted for Melvin Gordon in 2014 no I would have voted for Dak Prescott you are bullshit this is why you don't have a Heisman vote no it's not you talked your way out of it anyway what I am saying is you vote for I didn't think Travis hunters usage rate or I thought his usage rate

would would cost him a game or two along the way like it did last year it cost him one game this year it cost him half a game half a game it cost him half a game and I thought that would happen more often. And I thought his usage rate would slide him down and he wouldn't be able to do it. He did it. He played every game and therefore he is going to win the Heisman. But you wouldn't vote for him. And even though you said something is impossible and then he did the impossible. I said virtually impossible and he did it. He's going to do it. Travis Hunter is going to win the tour 2024 Heisman trophy. You guys can stop politicking. You don't have to keep doing. We never stop politics. You don't have to. You don't need to be holding

it. I'll be copoliticking anyway. I personally would vote for Ashton Gentry. I think he has had a remarkable year. I think Boise State what he did against Oregon and his one shot against a great team. No, you don't have to shit on Ash. Your husband, no, it's gotten ugly. It's gotten ugly. It's no, it's got, I don't, I, Ash and Jenny's been incredible. I, I clicked on one anti Travis Hunter tweet and I got in the algorithm. It got, it's gotten ugly. They're calling them the cardio award winner. Like shit like that. He is winning because of snaps. Yes. He also has a lot of touchdowns. 15 total touchdowns, interceptions and catching. They're also starting about November. Dion and that coaching staff is like, he's winning the Heisman. Yeah. Which I love. He started to get every

touchdown. Who would you have voted for last year? I buddy, I don't even know who won the damn Heisman last year. Jaden Daniels, Michael Pen Michael. Oh, no, no, no, no, no. You remember last year I was pushing the Jaden Daniels thing early. Okay. Guns. I was the first one. I was the first one. I don't Jaden Daniels. Guns are down. Guns are down. Yeah. There was a caller into a Andy Staples show that said that Travis Hunter is just good at stamina. Yeah, that's, that's where it got ugly. I didn't get ugly till they got ugly. You go low. I go lower.

I love that tape by the way, for the record, like if you're going to be a hater, that's a, that's a great line. Yeah. If that is the take, he's also the greatest in history. Yes. Yeah. Yes. And Ash Jennings has been incredible. I mean, yes, he's very fun to watch. Like if you don't watch Ash and Gentie and you're just like, oh, he's just doing about against mountain west teams. No, he is like guys cannot bring him down. I think in some years we give the Heisman away, even though there's not really a Heisman caliber guy. And this year I think there's two Heisman caliber guys. I think Travis Hunter is going to win it,

but Gentie could have won it in any other year, or maybe any other era, because it's just hard for a running back to win. How many touchdowns does Gentie gets on Saturday or we officially, or Friday, are we officially worried? I don't think it's possible. If he gets eight touchdowns, you wouldn't be worried?

If he runs for 621 yards and eight touchdowns, you're in trouble. All right. So we should be worried about that. You're in trouble. I'm going to bet the under on both. No, I shouldn't because I should bet the over on both. It'd be a hell of a hit. Just probably even better than the husband.

No hedge, no hedge. We're not hedging. We're not hedging on this podcast. Congratulations, guys. No. Stop it. No, no, no. You won.

You're bad. No, no. You just said, no, no, you just said you want to stop right now Because you're you're trying to jinx us and the guns will stay out. All right fine I would vote Ash and Gentie most people are going to vote Travis Hunter. Okay, that's why you don't vote That's not why you know, it's why I think my have eight hundred and seventy people who vote on this one day You will have a vote. No, I don't want vote for these things We should try to get one me votes for the bullet and call from something else I just I just don't want we tried to give you one you said no. Yeah Why how could you?

Love Liam Blutman who has votes for the bullet and cough and something else. Does he have a Heisman vote? He doesn't have a Heisman vote. Wait a minute Liam Blutman has votes. Oh, yeah, no contest. College football is big Yeah, Liam Blutman has votes for multiple things. I just think that he watches the most ball. Yeah. If you call yourself a college football expert, you say that you love the sport. Wouldn't you want your voice as somebody who pays attention and and knows what he's talking about? These awards are mostly these awards are mostly **** Like Travis Hunter, for

example, is a finalist for the. See, he's getting dirty. Yeah. Can you guys listen? Why don't you let people talk? We actually do, just not you. He is, Travis Hunter is a finalist for the Bulletinikov, which is for the best receiver. But he is not a finalist for the Thorpe Award, the best defensive back. He should have been.

He's a better defensive back than he is receiver, even though he's been great at receiver. There's better receivers than he is. Yeah. But there's not, I don't think there's three better defensive backs than he is. Mm-hmm. Agreed. Was that a problem? No, I'm fine. I don't think there's three better defensive backs than he is. Agreed. Was that a problem? No, I'm fine. I think he should calm down. He should win both. I've calmed down and the Heisman. I've calmed down. Why? Why? How come when they do the Heisman pose,

they don't actually do the pose? They don't. I don't. I think Desmond Howard broke it. He did. 1991 when he did it, he hiked the leg up too high and I think he broke it. It's Berenstein Bears. It's like, yeah, the the statue both feet are on the ground They're not doing the Heisman. They're doing the Howard. Yeah, right and Howard broke it Howard did break But the Howard I mean, it's cool if you were to do the actual Heisman pose and just do this that but when you hike That leg up. Yeah after you score a touchdown you're amped up and then you just put both feet calmly on the ground Yeah, that doesn't do it. Are you pro or anti state putting a flag into the middle of the field? I am anti the furor about it. This has been happening

for decades and years and post rivalry. If you want rivalries to matter and be great, well this is what comes with it. There are skirmishes, there are fracases and that's just reality. There's fracases. They're not real fights. And again, I don't like the phrase, if you don't want to plant the flag, beat them. Well, they fucking tried to beat them. But it's just whatever. Here's my problem with anyone who's getting on a white horse, no, ivory tower and being like, can't do this, don't do this, white knighting. Yeah, white knighting. There it is. Can't do this. Don't do this.

The the problem with it is guess what? Next year before rivalry week, yeah, every single Fox, NBC, ESPN, CBS, you don't think they're going to play video of all those moments to get people to watch. You don't think the Michigan, Ohio State pepper spray is going to get played. So spare me. Yeah. Spare me. Gus Johnson. What's the step? Do they ban flags? No more flag. No, I want all of it. I love it. I think that's exactly what rivalry week should mean. I know it's the, it's the, that is one of those things that if you take that out of

this sport, it's the NFL and like these are the the, it's already becoming the NFL paying the players, which I'm all for. And my idea for the division, which I think will eventually happen, keep college football, college football, keep this like anger and this real bitter rivalries. Like that, it doesn't, it's not gonna happen if the chiefs play the Ravens in the AFC championship game.

No, it's what, it's the tip of the sword to college football, right? If you want the passion, if you want the fight the fight if you want all this then it comes with this Yeah, it comes with this and this isn't that big of a deal like the pepper spray the other day was crazy It's just a bunch of players up in each other's face yelling at each other. Not a real fight No, it's just separate them send them to the locker rooms and be done with that was a tough look for Ryan Day By the way, I don't know if you guys saw that tough look for Gus Johnson No, but you have a Ryan Day with like the the video of him there

He just literally was just like walked over like looking like he was like a little kid looking at a car crash Yeah, he also took pride in his players defending midfield. Like after the game. He tried to salvage a little bit of self-respect He was like I'm really proud of my guys for the for what they did right after the game was over Yeah, as he just stood silently and motionless as as Jack Sawyer is having a meltdown I feel bad for Jack Sawyer I do too that one was tough because he's a players that came back to win the national and they still came with a national title defensive players came back to beat Michigan won a national title and they go 0-4 against Michigan that's that's that's a rough and there was nothing that they could

have done no yeah how do you feel about Michigan these days these days? I don't really think about Michigan at all. That's when we talked about Michigan for like 10 minutes. We were talking about Ohio State Michigan. We were talking about Ohio State, not Michigan. Michigan's a non-factor in college football in 2024. Brandon, which team is most likely to cause some chaos in the college football playoff? Because I'll throw one out for you. Okay. playoff because I'll throw one out for you

Okay, you ready? I'll throw one out for you the one like it and what I mean by that is we're talking about Oregon We're talking about you know, Ohio State, Georgia, Texas. I Think Tennessee can cause some chaos Defensive line another good defense another good running. He goes starting to play a little better He go is start playing is if he plays at his best if this is like the new Nico that we're seeing which we've said That before by the way, but if this is if he shows consistency then yes, they can definitely be anybody Yeah, and Tennessee kind of went through a midseason slump and Nico went through a midseason slump I think they're as talented as anybody there's so bad in that Oklahoma game. They're kind of under the radar yet

No, I agree I think they have especially if they somehow get a home playoff game Which I think they should they will probably get one because I don't I would I think I deserve one over right? They deserve one over. Well, I think it's gonna be Ohio State or Tennessee because Notre Dame's gonna be five Penn State's gonna take one of the home playoff games and whom I forget and Georgia will probably take another one They're gonna they're gonna be right in that flip-flop zone with probably Ohio State take one of the home playoff games and whom I forget and Georgia will probably take another one. They're going to be right in that flip flop zone with probably Ohio State. One of them might host the other.

I think Tennessee probably has to get it over. I think they should because they have two losses and yeah, they have the same amount of losses, but they haven't lost as late as Ohio State lost. But that if that's Tennessee, Ohio State at that eight, nine matchup, is that where it intersects five, six, seven, eight, nine? Yeah, because you would assume, yeah, Georgia and Penn state or say Texas and Penn state, but Georgia and Penn state, because they both would have, uh, or Georgia would have three losses.

I think you're going to buy the way you keep saying Penn state. Well, I'm throwing out, I'm just throwing out like who's favored in the game. Max cool down. It's a three point, but did you know how annoying it is if I say Oregon, Penn State, Texas, Georgia, let's just loser of Oregon, Penn State. Okay. The loser of Oregon, Penn State will get a buy or we'll get a home playoff game. The loser of Texas, Georgia will get a home playoff game. Notre Dame get a home playoff game, Ohio state and Tennessee. Boy, if I'm, if I'm or, Oh, what are you doing? It's a college football expert. Liam Blunt. Turn Can you turn on his mic real quick? So there wasn't.

No, there was not. I texted him right about it. I found out he had votes. Oh, I will always talk ball with Liam Blutman. Liam Blutman, our college football most, the number one ball watcher. Mike's not plugged in. Mike's not plugged in.

Well, you should probably plug that in. You can take Brandon's mic. He's a man of few words, the number one ball watcher in America. I've said that many times. I just said it. Liam Blutman has joined us very quickly. Liam Blutman, I have a simple question for you. A simple question. Y'all don't have a producer who knows how to plug into Mike? He knows how to plug into Mike. You hate producers, Brent. Alright, yeah you are. You're like Ellen

DeGeneres around here. Liam Blutman. You kind of look like Ellen. If you had a vote. I don't. A little bit. You do? Yeah, I can see it now. If you had a vote don't a little bit you do Yeah, I can see it now if you had a vote for Heisman who would you like for one if I had a vote for the Heisman? I Would vote for Ashton? Oh get out of here We be okay with Travis Hunter winning because I think that these are the two best Heisman like contenders that we have had in so that's what I said neither it sounds better coming should door should be

number three in the Heisman voting to I don't know what's going on the split votes that is a possibility I think I would personally vote for Gentile I think it's not talked about enough that the second-linging Russia in the country is Ashton Gentry after contact I think it's in I said that he got he's hard to bring down It's crazy to watch his Heisman run backfiring PFT his Heisman run was derailed because of injuries Foot injury stamina is important salmon is important. He was in a boot in the stamina award. What all what all

Tell us all the votes you have by the way. What most do you have? Um, let me cough but let me call Hunter for that. I vote for Nick Nash. Yes, Nick Nash big things about like Wanting so badly again to the voting scene like personality thing of college football was the group of five representation representation for all the other people that didn't do it. So I thought to myself, if I don't vote for Nick Nash, yeah, Nick Nash, you've become who you hated. Correct. So four years ago, Liam would be livid. I, you know, like Jerry Sterns got robbed of his bullet in the cough right a few years ago. So Nick Nash, triple crown leader, it's kind of a no brainer. Yeah he's electric what other votes you have Dave O'Brien we

vote for their door okay what else I'd like to give you a low man trophy vote I vote okay North Dakota State's fullback oh okay all right tough name say but did you also just out yourself as being biased towards Ash Gentile over yes he did. That's a great point, Max. That's a great point. You said you just outed yourself for being biased towards Ash and Gentie over Travis Hunter.

You did. That's how he's G5. Yeah, you did. That's a fair point. PFT, do you want to do the low man nominees? Yeah, we actually have the list. Yeah, so let's finish with that. Oh, actually, before we finish with that finish that Blutman answer this one question

we're taping this again at 2 30 in the afternoon, but They're gonna get Alabama and aren't that was a hundred percent. Yeah, it sucks, but it's gonna happen So they would go in over SMU who loses or they go in over they go in over Clemson All right Clemson you would they go in over SMU if they lost to Clemson? That would be the Travis I would open up two spots. Oh, no if Clemson beats us Yeah, Clemson steals that would be the Travis T's SMU should be in over Alabama if SMU loses the champion using I mean Alabama's in regardless. Yes. Oh and I Don't think they should be but as a fan of college football

What a what against it? I kind of love the chaos factor of Alabama getting in there and make stuff happen. The fact that we would get a three loss Clemson and a three loss Alabama in would just suck. Zombie dabble. Yeah. All right. Let's do the low man. This is unveiling the finalists for the low man award, which we're going to be announcing the winner in a couple weeks

Yes, does Brandon have a vote? Brandon does have a vote. Okay. He is not given his vote yet, though. I Did not you submit the ballot? This is why you don't have a Heisman vote No, it's not you know to the paperwork you had I gave you a vote and you you asked me Shoot it you asked me yesterday at five o'clock. I didn't know that I didn't, you didn't put the clock on me. I didn't know that we were doing this. I only gave you 22 hours. That's right. That's on me. All right, Bob.

And if you have anything to say about any of these guys at PFT lists, all right. So we consulted the panel, very prestigious panel of current former fullbacks and they submitted these names. These are the most common names. And then we will narrow them down and have a winner in due time Max Britasen, Michigan Kanye Udo like that name army is great Christian Moore, you know V

Steve-O-Clots Iowa State you like lots. I Like the most so far pressing it's it's a great name Steve O'Closkey's it's on the right yeah that's what you think about when you think about a fullback Gabe Fisher from Vandy Eli Heidenreich from Navy that's also a great name yeah great name it means Argentina mm-hmm Heidenreich mm-hmm Tyler Crowe from Boise State he He was very good. Even took a few carries over for Genty because their RB2 and RB3 were hurt.

Oh, so Genty system back. Sounds like it. You can't say anything around these guys. I jump on it. They're very good. We allow them to say what they want. They are great for college football. Thank you.

Thank you. You're great for college football. Thank you. Why are you talking down to me? I think they might be a college football expert. They're single-handedly going Travis Hunter, the Heisman. You gotta give him some respect. Thank you. Thank you. You're great. Thank you. Why are you talking about it? It might be a single hand legal when Travis Hunter the Heisman you gotta give him some respect. Thank you I think he had something to do with it. He definitely had. Yeah, I like 50-50 I don't think two people can do anything single-handedly Double-handedly, you can quadruple-handedly

Okay And then the uh the final actually no i'm gonna add yours Liam. Yeah, so I'm in Wehrmeyer. How do you pronounce that? Truman Wehrmeyer. How he just said it. Truman Wehrmeyer. Straight out of Fargo. Fargo kid went to play at NDSU. North Dakota State. Now look where he's made. Rich heritage. Still at NDSU. And then the final nominee this was actually from the AWLs. I allowed them to nominate somebody and truthfully I would have nominated this guy as well Brock Lampe mmm from Northern, Illinois Instrumental in their defeat of no yes, so that's your list Max Bredesen Bredesen

Kanye Udo Christian Moore Steve O'Cts Gabe Fisher Eli Heidenreich Tyler Crowe Blutman Oh Tyler Warramire and Brock Truman Warramire Truman Warramire So that's the list and we will we'll get the final votes Okay It's given to the fullback who had the best season or the man who looks most like a fullback. This is given to the top fullback Meet the criteria if your name Brock, you have a much higher percentage being nominated in good shape. Steve O'Clos, yeah. Historically, if you played for

armed forces Academy or Iowa, Wisconsin or Iowa, you had a good shot. Yeah. But I mean, that's just where the best fullbacks go. Yeah. And I think we do a good job of awarding them because we have like, you know, professional fullbacks, people that take this seriously. He just showed me the North Dakota State fullback Let me see him. He looks awful fullback. He he looks very fullback here. We're talking neck roll I'm talking three or four. Yeah. Oh Yeah, yeah, that's a fullback He's got he's got the nice fullback tilt right there

Yeah, where he's like not all the way hunched over right but he can still run your ass over. Yeah. Yeah, I love that Okay. Well, this has been fun. Boys. You know what I love about the college football playoff? What I just realized after having all these conversations, they've secretly turned us, they tricked us into doing math, but just with names of schools. Like we're doing algebra, like probability, if this team beats this team, they made us learn a quadratic formula. A brand new one in like 12 months. And you could have just looked in the back of the book and seen written Alabama.

Yeah, the entire time. It's like how your dumbest friend from high school was tricked into learning the metric system. Buying and selling drugs. Yeah. Like Nikki Smokes could do grams to ounces. Oh, easy, easy. Faster than Google Calendar. Yeah. All right, boys, thank you. Brandon, great job. Yep. Two-time PMT guest. Liam Blutman, one-time PMT guest.

Three-time. Three-time. Oh, yeah. Dingers only. Which, are you ready for that? I'm ready. We're finally gonna do it. I won Dingers only.

You did. I've received no prize. No, your prize is you get to come with us and it's gonna be a hell of a video. All us and it's gonna be a hell of a video. All right. It's gonna be a hell of a video. Excited. I'm sorry, Coach Allen, degenerous.

It's okay. You're not generous. Liam, first time PMT? I think. Well, I love that. I love it. Yep, college football expert. Let's make sure you get to four

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Oh shit, you stole mine load management Maybe didn't Jalen Brown. Yeah, Easter Conference finals MVP. Okay, NBA finals MVP or MVP King of the aura on the Celtics Batman 99% of the Celtics aura actually Actually, no, 50%, 50% Joe Missoula. 49% Joe Missoula, 1% Peyton Pritchard. Yeah. At the end of quarters. Yeah. Lou Cornette. He didn't play Sunday because he was sick and then he played on Monday, Celtics one. And I think he was talking about, you know, missing the back to back. And he said it's hard for teams to be great if some of your best players don't play back-to-backs.

So anyone, I don't know who falls in that category. I guess you could probably look at the, there's probably some website that shows percentage of NBA players that don't play back-to-backs. I think after- Everyone that wants to be great. After everything he's done for the city, I think Boston can give him a pass. Yeah, no, he acknowledged it. He's like, I want to play back-to-backs.

I was just feeling sick. Right. He wants the reason you want to play is because it's hard to be great if you don't. Yeah. Showing up. You have to show up to be great. And I think, yeah, if I think that star players can get away with doing that if they've got results, you know, if they, if they've got pelts on the wall, right. If they can say, I want a championship, there's no doubting my commitment to this team. Also, I they lost Sunday Mm-hmm. I mean it is an interesting strategy if you're like the Celtics and you have a pretty loaded team To schedule your back-to-backs Like correctly where it's like one night Jason Tatum sits out one night. Jalen Brown. You probably win both games

No, but this is also that's loser. Okay. All right. All right. He said, is it if you want to be great, it's hard to be great if you're a best player. So play back. It's true. It's a good point. Is there anyone who doesn't play back to backs? Like there's gotta be a bunch. LeBron. No, LeBron plays back to backs. That's my cool. Toronto gets to it. LeBron played back to back at 40 years old. They're 39 about to be 40. Is there anyone else? Is the boot guy you're referring to doesn't even play single games anymore He doesn't play backs. Oh kawaii. He doesn't play back. Why a little back? Yes. Oh, no, Paul, George Paul

George I think Paul George is back tonight By the way NBA Cup. We do release our picks every Tuesday Max is really bad. Yeah, really bad. What's your record, Max? I am sitting out this NBA season. What's your record, though? Bad? I don't know. Bad. Even the NBA Cup season?

So we're in a competition. We're going to keep doing my picks, but I'm just so bad at it. What an endorsement. I'll say it. I'm a full NBA Cup guy. I thought that it was lame last year, but the courts I love. The what? The courts I love the, what? The courts. I love just taking your heels into that. I do. I'd like the courts.

I like something different. The courts I love. I also love the fact, and this is probably because I like to gamble on overs, uh, that teams are playing for point differential. That makes it fun where it's like the end of a game where it shouldn't mean anything. Teams are still trying to score to get the point differential up I'm an NBA Cup guy. I am locked in on the NBA Cup. Yeah, I've never been this hot. Yeah No, no, you are. Yeah, you're you're blazing the Wizards cuz it started last year I think they're like the worst team in NBA Cup history. Oh, yeah setting records. Yeah, this is part of the plan

It's the process but max again Cooper. No, he disavowed we're wait Max. What is your record for the NBA Cup? I am two and seven. That's not good. That's tough. Oh you've got I think I'm like six and three or something Yep, you are exactly. Yeah No idea. No, but I hundred do false. We're playing it. What am I? Oh Bob and for curious your eight and one I'm a one. I mean one while we're asking for records memes What did you go on Sunday in the NFL picks? I? Went home one on the Sunday on Sunday Sunday. Oh Semantics, but yeah the NBA Cup we're releasing our picks on all of our socials on Tuesday. We're in a competition

So follow along follow pft. He's hot. Where's the winner get a $10,000 free bet. You know what? If I get, if I get the free bet, yeah, I'm going to Mississippi. I'm going to hang out for a while. The, uh, the, uh, here say something nice about the Sixers ready for it. I am a full, this wasn't about the Sixers by the way. It was, it was, it was, it was, it was nice about the NBA? I am a full. This wasn't about the sixers by the way. It was that it was right. Don't play back. Say something about nice about the NBA. I'm a full blown Jerry McCain fan. Stan. I've watched all his tick tocks. He is the fact that he pisses people off makes me like them. But then more than that watching his tick tocks, it's the old rule of if you watch something, if you watch someone do something that they genuinely love, it kind of puts a smile on your face. He genuinely loves doing TikToks.

And I find myself smiling when I watch him. I also love the fact that he's awesome. Yeah. So like if he's making the TikToks and he's stunk would be different than everybody be like, fuck this guy. I'd still be a fan of the TikToks. Well, what happens is he makes people so mad with the TikToks. And then he goes out and he just drops an insane game on you and tells you that he's Rookie of the Year, and it makes his opponents so much more angry at him. Yeah. Yeah.

I have a yes or no question. OK. That would be good, I think, to get on the record. This is a good segment. Three years from now, will the city of Philadelphia have broken? McCain. Mm hmm. No, I think they're embracing him. Simmons.

Yeah. Broken and bead. Oh, man, that's a good question. Maxi, it's a good question. It's actually might be broken now. I think mentally, I mean, he's got to deal with Joel and bead, because I mean, you're but now fit in the room, you're forgetting about the elephant. Maxi's always been like he hasn't, mentally I mean he's got to deal with Joel and bead cuz I mean you're but now we're in the room I'm not getting about the elephant max He's always been like he hasn't you know he's he's 1a1

But he's never been like and bead you know got all the shine Simmons got all the shine now McCain is really getting all the shine on the Sixers and still not maxi so yeah max I will fight for you to not have that happen because I like Jared McCain just a yes or no question I'm gonna say yes I think it's it's completely fair to ask that question because it is like if the second things start going poorly. Yeah. It's very easy to be like this guy needs to get off tick tock. How are the Eagles playing? That's the question has to become a poor and I'm talking about the Sixers in the three. I know they're talking

about talking about the NBA. We're talking about the NBA. We're talking about named Ben Simmons and Joel Embiid. We're talking to me how that is not talking about NBA. You literally just said Philadelphia. And then named Ben Simmons and Joel Embiid. Explain to me how that is not talking about the Cubs. Max, we're talking about the Rookie of the Year. Yeah. Max, National Sports podcast. Hank just brought up Ben Simmons and Joel Embiid. See, I disagree, Max. I think we're allowed to talk about the Sixers until Christmas Day,

if they don't have 10 wins, then they're done. That's the deal. End of Christmas Day. End of Christmas Day, if they don't have 10 wins, they're done That's the deal End of Christmas day Philadelphia is broken and Bede, Simmons, that robot Liberty Bell That robot, fuck that robot

Yeah, I'm with you Snicksiriani's brain No, Sirianni's all the way back All the way back Oh my god, if you don't think he's got a little crazy that he's just waiting for a little first crack He's just gonna he's gonna shave his head again Baldiani undefeated or they broke Carson Wentz

Donovan McNabb Yeah Well, no Ryan Howard Mike Shanahan broke him and booed him on the way out. Didn't you not me? Okay, right? You broke Trey Turner, then you put him back together. Yeah, how about that? He's like Humpty Dumpty. Yeah All right good hot seat Hank about the NBA What's your cool turn? Oh my cool throws getting hacked. Oh Did you guys see this no? Obviously congrats to Josh he got engaged over break. Josh Allen our guy Lee Steinfeld

Signs out Steinfeld Steinfeld Steinfeld Steinfeld his ex Brittany Was someone I think supposed to tick-tock and someone commented Asking her like, you know, when is she gonna get another athlete boyfriend or something and she replied Her account replied sorry Luckily, my boyfriend owns a team and doesn't play for one don't have to be with another brain dead athlete that's mean but Listen about an hour later. She posted an Instagram. She said I got hacked

So that's definitely what a hacker would do. I think she when was this this was on on Friday I was like after the news bro. Yeah, I think she probably she got hacked by Pino Grigio Yeah, most hackers will have a very specific reply. Yeah about how you're actually living your best life is Brittany That's a nice hacker ever. Yeah to just be like I come to my my girl I hacked this girl's account and now I'm gonna to come to her defense. Actually the person's account who I hacked, uh, they're doing great. Yeah. You don't even know. She got hacked by a chiefs fan trying to like slander Josh Allen. She's focusing on herself, which honestly she deserves to do. And by the way,

Brittany is the most ex name of all time. Every, every Brittany is somebody's ex. It's Brittany, bitch. Uh, good job, Hank. Nice job, Hank. Yeah. Every every Britney is somebody's ex. It's Britney bitch. Good job Hank. Nice job Hank. Thanks. My hot seat is Hank. Oh, Hank, who are the members of the four aces? Oh, Dustin Johnson. Mm hmm. Varner Perez. It's not youline because you just won a DP world tour event. It is... Double penetration? Come on, Hank. I don't know.

You know this guy. Is he old? He's... No. No. You've got to make sure you keep track of your wallet. His wife has burners, maybe hacked. Oh, Pat Reed.

Yeah. Actually, incorrect, Hank. There's a fifth ace. They just acquired Thomas Peters from the Range Goats. So there are five four aces right now. You knew that Thomas Peters was on the Range Goats? Yeah. So there are five four aces.

Pat Perez's contract ends on January 1st So as a rat awkward, there are five four aces. That's very awkward. So can you remember those? We'll quiz you on those later. So press out Press out Peters in read. Yeah. Mm-hmm. I thought that's a stack team. Yeah, my other hot shoes Mike Greenberg Oh because baseball is implementing some very dumb rules. Maybe. They're floating some very dumb rules. Oh, I haven't heard this.

And this sounds like it's right out of Mike Greenberg's brain. That's why he's on the hot seat for not thinking of this first. Rob Manfred is talking about the winter meetings and all the stuff that gets discussed in the off season, baseball, whatever that might be. And there's a new rule that he says has a lot of buzz going around the meetings. Okay. It's called the golden at bat. The golden at bat is a rule change that MLB is considering implementing. Can I guess what the golden at bat is? Yeah, I guess. Cause I actually think this would

be awesome if this is what it is. Uh, at, at any point in the game, you can go out of order and put anyone up. You can put one player up. Yeah. Yeah, is that it? That's the golden Oh, I love this another floating out the show a rule They're floating out the idea that it might be only if your team is trailing and then they have to figure out what's gonna happen If like if you want to move Shohei up like two spots in the lineup and then he gets on base and then his turn Comes around in the order. Does he get to bat again? Oh Yeah, they have to like flip-flop his ghost runner. I would love a ghost runner. Ghost runner would rock. Ghost runner would be awesome. Isn't there a mathematical way though where you could just put him like five spots back where

it would basically be mathematically impossible for him to be on base? No. With the amount of outs? No. Five spots back? Or whatever. Yeah, yeah. It would be a certain amount. Yeah, yeah. I don't know what. Five is just a random Yes, where it could be bases loaded and you have two outs. It's that scenario. Yeah, like let's just say bats first Second guy gets on the third guy gets on that's bases loaded and then let's say fourth gets out the fifth gets out so Seventh yeah, six six would be up seventh you could person seven you could do it But I think the idea is that when you have like a hitter that's up that you don't think is going to get a hit, then you can be like, hey, instead of Aaron Judge hitting, let's just have John Carlos Stanton hit twice.

I like this rule. I think that makes it cool. Baseball hardball is going to be so mad. Oh, so mad. But think about like the ninth inning when you're like, oh, well, you know, Shohei made the last out, but he can, he can bat again and we're down two. That's cool. This is one of those rules that it sounds fun to talk about because this is what

baseball does. There's just like so many different opportunities to make the game more entertaining that you have an endless supply of like wrinkles that you can put in. But once it gets in the game, I feel like that's going to be very weird to watch. I don't think I'm going to like it. I like, I like, I like this. It's a great idea. Yeah. Do you know what they should need to do to make it even though is the defense, the pitcher should, you should be able to bring one pitcher back golden arm. Cause then you could like bring in a guy to pitch against the lefty, then

put them back in the bullpen and then bring them back in. I don't know. That would probably get confusing. I like the golden bat rule though, because it does, it just makes it so that games will be exciting at the end. What I really want them to do is to implement the idea of having challenges for strikes. Yeah, but it's just done by the batter at the plate and he has to say it immediately. You mean they have that in in minor league baseball. Yeah, where they have one challenge and they just immediately look at it. Yeah, I like this. I see.

I think... Golden at bat, but you start 0-1. No, I think it's just golden at bat. You just get to do your order over where you get to put your best guy up because it's just... I mean, what does... Does numbers not mean anything to you guys anymore? Am I the only one that loves the numbers in baseball? No, numbers mean jack shit at this point.

It's... I mean, think about it. It's just, you know, if you get to the bottom of the ninth and you can be like, our best guy's now gonna bat, that's cool. The numbers that actual baseball fans care about now are the dumbest, like, it's like, if you talk to a true seam head, they're talking about, like, the random, you know,

war, OBGR, like, they're just, the numbers numbers that they're like the actual important numbers are like who cares I also think make baseball on it I also think PFT they kind of like it's the point in no return as soon as they did the pitch clock which I'm in favor of the pitch clock the like rule that if you come in the game you can you have to Face a certain amount of batters slightly your bases. Yeah throws over to first as soon as you do that You've changed the game and how it's played so it's like why not okay I could be on board with this but I what I really want to see is some nerds go back and do projections for like what Babe Ruth's numbers would have been if

they had the golden at bat well if they only do if you can only do it when you're down trap at a game if you only can do it when you're down it's probably gonna end up being like what? 20 extra at bats if it's it's a certain amount cuz you probably wouldn't I Think you you can't do it only when you're down. I think both teams got to be able to do it Yeah But it won't happen as often because think about it you has to be a if you if you if they did the rule where it's You're only down

It has to be half like it has to be every game you're down So it's whatever split that in half and then it also has to be all the games that your guy wasn't gonna come up anyway Yeah, so could maybe like 30 40 at bats extra what they really need to do is just make red zone for baseball Yeah, they should make it that if The player if he's on base he can come out but the opposing team gets to pick the pinch runner So they can take the slowest guy. The fattest fattest guy. Yeah.

Maybe there's just every team has to carry a 26 guy that's over 300 pounds. That would be awesome. Like you get the golden bat but that like how awesome would be like oh golden bats coming up hopefully he gets a single so he can watch a fucking fatso run around the bases. I like that idea. Also, one of the infielders gets a knife. Yeah, I'm in for that.

The cool thrown today is going to be Instagram hockey. There is a guy that does Monday night hockey. I forget his name. Steve is Steve Valakett. He works for the Rangers. Mem means maybe you can provide some insight as to this guy so he went after Jack Hughes because in the in the game on Monday night Jack Hughes had a breakaway and then he did like a few too many moves on the breakaway and tried to score with one hand on a stick yeah and Steve Valakett went after him and was like this is a

clown show you're trying to show up your opponent You're trying to embarrass the other goalie. In my day, we would have had guys coming over the boards at you. This is Instagram hockey. This isn't real hockey. Also side note, he didn't end up scoring on it. Okay. Sturkin stopped the shot. Yeah. Um, but in hockey, the idea is to beat the goalie. Right. On a breakaway. Right. So who cares if you juke him out too much or use my hand upstair. Like a goalie is going to be embarrassed by any goal. Yes, correct. But I also, this goes back to-

And this was the safe. Yeah, it was safe. This goes back to how we love these type of guys being around sports. Oh yeah. Don Cherry needs a guy like this to step up and take the torch for him in the future who just hates fun stuff. Yeah, it's in rapport crying about Mike Mark. Yeah, we need old guys that get pissed off over stupid shit. Because that

actually makes sports more fun for those of us who aren't old who get pissed off the press. The Yeah, Prisco the the all the people who were tweeting that like, the flag, you know, stuff during rivalry was too far and someone's gonna get hurt. I love those guys. Yeah, don't need them. It was a was too far and someone's going to get hurt. I love those guys. Yeah. You need them. It was a big day for flags. It was a big day for like, it's just, it was one of those situations where I need someone on the other side to be like, this is actually really bad and dangerous. Yeah. Because I don't want to have to invent

a straw man in my head, right? I can argue against it and be like, I can't believe there's some people out there that think this isn't fun. Right. Then we would just be, we'd be Rossello. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. It fills a valuable role for us to have somebody who actually believes this stuff. So did Jack Hughes say something about it? What do you say, Memes? Yeah, I had Max pull up the clip. Okay, let's see. uh... yet that i'd that that's what okay uh... your time there is a certain statement that and was erected to

here what is that he said that he thought you're trying to bear is a circle of record with you the fourth word yeah i mean i don't know what that means but what does that mean yeah what i what that means. Like, what does that even mean? Yeah, I don't even know what that means. It's literally like Alan Iverson was trying to embarrass his defenders when he crossed him up. I like to imagine that Jack Hughes actually just didn't understand what those words meant.

Well, I think he was being nice, but his real answer was probably like, Yeah, no shit, I was trying to embarrass him. Yeah, it's my job. It's literally a shootout. Like, I want to do the filthiest, nastiest, most embarrassing goal that you can score. And score, yeah. I'm a fucking goal scorer. And it's good for the sport.

It is good for the sport. Also, this guy's good for the sport because we're talking about the sport. And hockey season hasn't even started yet. Yeah, it hasn't started. All right, my hot seat is beta males because the Bears did a press conference looking for a leader of men. Yeah, they're very clear about that. Leader of men.

I think they've said the phrase leader of men too many times. And then way too many times. DJ Moore says, like, what are you? They asked him, what are you looking for, head coach? He's like, well, Kevin Warren told me we're looking for a leader of men. Yeah. It seems like they're obsessed with the phrase leader of men.

I'm staying cautiously optimistic, but I will say that the immediate press conference after with Kevin Warren and Ryan Poles did not give me a lot of confidence because it feels like Kevin Warren is now running the show. I feel bad for Ryan Poles because I honestly think there was a report that he wanted to fire Iber Fluss after the Patriots game. Yeah. Also, Jalen Johnson basically told Iber Fluss to fuck off in front of the whole team after the Lions game And that was the moment where they're like, oh, we should maybe fire this guy Yeah, but yeah, it looks like it might be a mess and they're looking for leader of men postgame speech apparently Jalen Johnson was just like the same fucking thing happened over

I've heard the speech five times in a row. Yeah, shut the fuck up Matt Yeah, Matt Iber fluce just in a very non leader of fashion, close his mouth and just ended the speech after a couple seconds. There was also something that I read Big Cat where they did the press conference on that that Friday morning. Yeah. And they started the meeting behind the scenes with Kevin Warren, Ryan Pohl's and McCasky, George Haskew. Yeah. So they started that meeting at 7 a.m. Matt Eberfluss's press conference started at 9 a.m. Yeah, I can explain this. But the meeting of whether or not to fire Matt Eberfluss wasn't concluded until like

10 a.m.? Yeah. So that tells me that in this meeting that lasted three hours, there was somebody who was passionately trying to defend Matt Eberfluss and not let him be fired. No. What I think happened was George McCasky was like Michael Scott being like, explain this to me like I'm five that I have to pay this guy to not work.

And they just had to go over that over and over and over. He was just looking at what the future bank statements were. Yeah. He was like, wait, so he's not going to coach anymore this year, but he's our head coach and we have to pay him? Because I feel like- And they're like, all right, let's go over this for the 75th time. You have to get a new head coach. But like, we're paying one.

Yeah, we're paying one right now. How does this make sense? I feel like in a three hour meeting, somebody probably had a dissenting voice. No, they probably are just, I mean, it's, it's, it's bad. It's bad. And then they. Pulls it like the, uh, the clip, which was a great, the hard knock Saquon clip where there was the one guy in the room being like, you know, someone's going to pick them up like in there. Who, who's going hard knock Saquon clip where there was the one guy in the room being like You know someone's gonna pick him up like and they're like who who's gonna want Saquon?

He's like anyone that wants a good running back Yeah, you could tell he was fighting for it and we're just getting overruled I've I and Ryan Paul's deserves some a lot of criticism for how this year's gone But I do think that he is it's pretty clear that he is Uh being held back and not being able to do what he wants to do because there also was a report that he wanted to Fire Iber fluce last year and was told not to so yeah Yeah, it's fun times but leader of men. We're gonna get a leader of men someone who can lead some men I like that also really like I don't feel bad for Iber fluce

You got paid to not work and I'm sure he'll get a job somewhere else because that's how all coaches work out but um What a terrible, terrible like 48 hours where essentially every single person called you a pussy. Yeah. They're like, we need a leader of men. We didn't have was not a leader of men have one of those guys you can lead. Oh man, maybe it's men. It's so funny that they're going out and they're like looking to hire somebody to lead them. Yeah. It's like, I want you to come into this office and show me how you would dominate me Yeah, yeah exactly a lot of money for that. Yeah, okay my cool thrown my last question

Yes, I'm is it what's the timeline and just like offseason? Yeah I mean, they'll probably hire someone within the first week of the offseason. I mean they're Guys have to well unless they hire from outside You know what I mean? Like they hire someone who doesn't have a job right now could be sooner, right? But if it's Ben Johnson, it's gonna be longer. I I'll read the the power rankings to you real quick. It was interesting what the computer spit out this morning There was I think Ron Rivera's available stop the

49ers power ranking was should probably start fresh and fire Shanahan. And then the Bears were below the 49ers and it said, need a new head coach if anyone can think of a team that probably should start fresh and fire their Shanahan. Seems like that's a match. Well, you guys play Shanahan this week, right? Yeah, it's true. You guys are on back to back weeks trying to impress other coaches. Yeah, I actually think the Bears are gonna win that game.

I think they're gonna play for Thomas Brown. My coaches. Yeah, I actually think the Bears are going to win that game. I think they're gonna play for Thomas round. My cool throne is I've two one is for LeBron James. So LeBron played a back to back. Is there any big players that don't play back to backs? It's tough to be a great team if you don't. Yeah, Jalen Brown. Yeah, well, he had his tummy, tummy ache. Championship. He played the back of the back to back. Eastern Conference. He played the first back. He didn't play the front. Yeah, he played the front. NBA 5s, MVP.

LeBron James kept his streak of 10 point games alive in his back to back. And it was when he was down 25 points in the fourth quarter with eight minutes left when LeBron James usually is not in a game. Yeah. But they kept him in so that he could get that. Well, I mean, he probably only played for what 15 17 minutes and he played so yeah I mean credit to him. He did play it back-to-back. I played 31 minutes. Okay LeBron's old

No, he's not he's not he's not old because the second I admit that LeBron is old guess what world world, but I Think it's happening. He's not old. I think it's happening. It's been incredible that he's almost 40 years old and he's still in the league, but it's happening. You know what I realized the other day? Derek Henry, you would consider him to be old, right? He's like what, 29?

I think he's, I think he might be a year younger than Hank. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, no, he's ancient. Yeah. might be a year younger than Hank. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, no, he's ancient. Yeah. He's 30 years old. So old. Cooper DeGene also fucked him up.

Okay, so- We're not talking about, why do you have to inject Philly into every conversation we're having? You guys inject Philly into everything. That was a really nice tackle. I mean, like, Derrick Henry caught the ball and turned around. It wasn't like they were both squared up Yeah, okay hook him off his feet all right

Yeah, no, it's a really nice tackle, but it like wasn't like job It wasn't like Derek Henry was running full force Cooper Jean was running full force Cooper Jean fucked him up There yeah, Derek Henry also has 60 pounds on him, okay And he and he lifted him off his feet for him tackled the issue put that in textbooks Textbook, okay, what kind of textbook would that be in? Form tackling. What? Oh, now we're above football textbooks? No, I took football and we're down. That's what I thought. We're down for football textbooks. I took football in college, but we didn't have a textbook. We had film. Relax, buddy. We're down for football textbooks.

I forgot my other cool throne. God damn it. There should be a football textbook. Oh, I remember my other cool throne, because it. This should be a football textbook. Oh I remember my other cool throw this is right there Ryan days on the cool throw Because I don't know if you guys saw this this is from the 11 warriors podcast now it is out of Not out of context with the one-minute clip so they could have been joking I'm gonna give them at least out there that we don't know the full thing But the one-minute clip is very very funny And I also I respect these guys because every fan does this where if you have a tragic loss you cope as hard as you Can have you guys seen this clip? No, okay. It is quite something so Ryan day officially on the cool throne, and here's why

If you want to every Ohio State fan, I know has spent the last I don't know what 15 months screaming that Michigan cheated Michigan cheated Michigan cheated me me as well. You know all of us like I think everyone in here was probably no I'm not pointing fingers. I'm one of those people as well. And if that's the case You probably put an asterisk on 21 Probably put an asterisk on 22 23 maybe a different story because they had time maybe to change sides with that. That had come out by the time the 23 game came about.

So on that thinking, if they cheated to win in 21 and 22, then does they only have two losses to Michigan? Only one of them really considered a bad loss? I mean, is that a fair question to ask? Because they lost to a national championship team game, probably their closest game, one of them really considered a bad loss I mean is that a fair question to ask because they lost to a national championship team game and probably their closest game One of their closest games of the season have been my pain the best offensive drive any team had on that Michigan defense last year that third Drive of the year He's only got one really bad I love these guys.

I want to stand up for these guys real quick because... Best offensive. Really, they undersold it. They undersold it a little bit because this year, Michigan probably also cheated because they had cheated in the past. So now Ohio State's like, how are they cheating this time? And that got into their own head. I just, I love these guys because it is the, this is what fandom does to you

where you do a podcast after a horrendous loss and you've spun zone into actually Ryan day. If you do it, he's actually only lost once to Michigan and drive of the best drive against the national championship. Nobody's talking about that, about that for that drive. The Ohio state was national champion. No one's talking about that drive and how they basically won a national race raise a banner in the horseshoe 2023 national champions third quarter drive against Michigan also I feel like protecting legacy is more important than winning a football game and the players protected the legacy of the school Fitting their midfield against having a flag planted on that's facts I can't tell I like I I probably have to go listen to the whole thing, but shout out the 11 warriors.

This is what we sound like when our teams lose and we, you know, we're like, Oh, well, it was this, it was this. It was, we make every excuse, but that was, I didn't expect that spin zone. One loss for Ryan Day against Michigan. I like that. I honestly do like this take and I don't know if we've talked about this with Brandon Walker earlier because we haven't recorded that yet. I really want Ohio State to win the national championship. I think that would be the funniest thing ever. It would. It would be so funny.

In my dream scenario, I like root for chaos and just for ridiculous things to happen. Ohio State winning the national championship by going through like the easiest schedule ever. Yeah. They don't have to win. Upsets everywhere else. Upsets everywhere else. They don't have to win upsets everywhere else. That's everywhere else. They don't have to win a single big game. They win the national championship and then Ryan day gets fired. Yeah. That would be the funniest possible outcome to this season. Dave can claim that he's won two national championships in a row. Yeah. I mean, if you are, if you don't have a horse in this race,

that's a pretty funny one to back. Yes. That a lot. I'd agree. Yeah, no, I actually, I had a similar thought because I went to look to bet Ohio State to win the national championship, but it's four, it's, it's four 75. Not, not enough. I need a little more. Yeah. I mean, I need a little bit more because there's a chance they just crumble. I might do it. Yeah. I might. I got Oregon. I might sprinkle in some Ohio State. I'm doing all right. Let's do it Let's do it. We'll do it as a team. Hey, are you actually are you are you rooting against my bet? Are we cashing out? Is there a cash out or no putting it in right now? I also already have I'll do it other night

the Eagles bills Parlay, so I'm gonna I'm gonna parlay them as well. I'm gonna wait until Saturday night to make this future bet. Because you might go up. Well, because I'm in New Orleans. At the moment. No, it's not this Saturday. That Saturday night is what I'm talking about.

Two Saturdays. Two Saturdays. I'm going to wait to put in this bet in two Saturdays. That's responsible gambling. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, it would be very funny. It would be very, very funny if Ohio State was able to do it and then they fired Ryan Day or it would actually be funnier if they if Ryan Day won the national title and then went and took the North Carolina job. Yeah, I don't want to do this anymore. You guys you guys try me not

What do you think would be a funnier outcome if Ryan Day goes through the easiest possible road wins national championship and then He gets an extension afterwards. Yeah yeah that would be funnier yeah yeah either way either way I'm rooting for that yeah okay let's get to our interview with Steve Smith before we do that PFT you got a couple ads before we get to Steve Smith he's brought to you by neutrophil the holiday season is all about reconnecting from festive gatherings with friends to special moments with family. Many of us love the opportunity to dress up. You want to look, you want to feel our best for the celebrations. But with cold weather and the stress of the season, your hair can take a hit. That's why now is the perfect time to start

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First of all, thank you for coming back on. Uh, you're a semi-finalist this year. I know we talked about this last time you were on, this is the year, right? You need to be in the hall of fame. This is crazy that Steve Smith is not in the hall of fame. Well, I'm not really sure how to go about it. Um, you know, I'm honored and it's, it's cool, you know, and, and I don't know how to vote and go. So, you know, I just kind of wait for my time and, um, and do that. But the real reason I have avoided coming on you guys, one, I, you had. Yes, you do. And, and, and you

notice I'm not even wearing an LA hat just because it was so bad and you guys were so right. Yeah. I just wasn't sure what to do. So I just, you know what I did? I did what I did with any, uh, middle age father, age father would do. I put my head in the sand and hoped it went away. Yeah, that was smart strategy. So for people to remember last time Steve was on, it was last year we made a bet. I think it was Panthers for four and a half wager wager bet a wager four and a half wins. I thought it was even higher than that. It might've been five or six Yeah, and they didn't even come get no matter how high it was. It was real low. Yeah, it didn't happen Yeah, so you owe us some Steve Smith's signature flat brim hats, which we expect to receive

We'll send you our info, but you at least yes, please At least you acknowledge it off the top because that was definitely on my list of things to talk about you got to yeah Yeah, you got to yeah when you owe people things, um, you have to be willing, um, to, you know, to follow through. And I was, I plan don't follow him through. Um, but it was kind of like, uh, when you owe somebody some money, you know, oh, that bill and they call, you know, when they used to call you and say, Hey, checks in the mail, you know was, check's in the mail. I don't have your address, but check's in the mail. I feel like you ignored it for an appropriate amount of time

where it was just, you were annoyed by the fact that not only did you lose the bet, but you lost it by like, it wasn't even really close. No, never close. So then you were just like, I just don't want to have to admit that I was very wrong, but I will eventually and I'll make it right. And I actually think listen, Steve, this goes a long way towards the Hall of Fame case for you. Being nice to journalists the guys are being in that room writing your name down

Do you have a like a sappy story? you can tell about a time like Peter King convinced you to keep playing football when you felt like quitting and then he'll feel important and he'll write your name down for the Hall of Fame Peter King is important. No matter what has to do with Steve Peters to do I like Peter Peter does You know in training camp, he doesn't get a lot of credit But in training camp he goes around a whole bunch of different teams and he talks So a lot of stuff that you're seeing him kind of print up and do

It's been seven or eight months Accumulating data information. So Peter King is one of the good ones, man. It's, it's, it's a lot of good journalists out there. Um, it just, sometimes the way they write articles, sometimes it, um, excuse your perspective on, uh, the individual when you see them in person. Yeah. So what, what's an example? What, where's the line where players are like, all right, this is bullshit because obviously they got a job to do. You got a job to do, but what, what, what? You're asking the wrong person.

Yeah. You're one of those journalists that players have said. Yeah. Oh, but I think the toughest thing is trying to figure out and find out which guy really actually watches Film how much do they watch film because there are times where? You know, I've had guys who say you may you know, you obviously aren't watching a film I've had some people even on my podcast to say oh Steve, you don't understand You must you don't watch the games because they're looking at it from their point of view. A great example is, we're talking about Miami, Dolphins, and how they struggled in the cold weather, right? Having won, and a fan said at the bottom of my podcast,

that a comment was like, you don't watch the games, we lost those three games by one point. You don't watch the games we lost we lost those three games by one point A l is a l. Yeah Like it's it's not about like what you see It's about the end result and sometimes the end result gets Uh, you get distracted because of the way someone articulates it that you disregard the actual content that they're talking about. Yeah. So, so let's talk about the dolphins real quick because we were talking about our show. Uh, the biggest, there was two things that suck

out one was Mike McDaniel shivering on the sidelines. That was not a good look. And the second, yeah. And the second was they had 20 missed tackles. And that to me is cold weather affecting you where it's like you're not getting physical. You're not putting your nose in the pile and that kind of stuff. So what are the, the dolphins have a couple more cold weather games. What is it that they have to fix? Like what's the mentality or is it just, Hey, this team just can't play in the cold. It is what it is. I think they can play in the cold. I just I just really think sometimes that people aren't looking at the teams

that they're playing. Green Bay isn't a a cakewalk. Yeah, and just like last night when we watched the 49ers play the Buffalo Bills, the Buffalo Bills aren't a cakewalk and also two to forty-niners. Uh, they're not extremely healthy They're not firing all cylinders. So To blame everything on the cold weather to say the cold weather has these guys not playing man, you're gonna I

Mistackles happen in the heat true, right? It doesn't it doesn't necessarily Matters what happens is when the elements are what they are and the outcome, then all of a sudden the overreaction and the reasoning behind it is always front and center where sometimes it's just, we don't want to really give credit to the people who get paid, who maybe had a, who had a better and executed a, a better game plan. Yeah. And opposing tape. Yeah. It's easier for us. We, we like to just say it's their candy ass uniforms. As soon as you put them under 40 degrees, it's simple as that. There's nothing to do with the X's

and O's. The Aqua doesn't play in the snow. Yeah. They put on, I mean, you kind of South beach uniforms. Yeah. I mean the, the Panthers have some candy-ass uniforms every now and then where they, you know, where it's like the blue. I'm just saying, did you feel it? Did you feel it in the cold? You're like, I know you did rip up the bears, but uh, I mean when you'd wear the black uniforms, those, those travel, you can play in cold weather in the black, but in the, yeah. And the blues, you don't want to see that in an ice game. Yeah I mean, I think you know that we're right. Yeah. Yeah. You know, you know that unfortunately your life has been about football and sometimes dumb people like us can boil down to just candy

ass uniforms and that hurts. I don't like that color. Yeah. You don't have to like the color. I won a candy. I disagree. And then I don't think you guys are dumb. I just think you have your perspective that you're you're willing to die on the hill about I mean candy makes sense if I handed you a lollipop that was orange and teal and I handed you a lollipop that was Green and and and yellow like you would be like I want the orange and teal that looks yummy first of all to grown men handing each other lollipops is a That's the problem

That's probably a problem. I'm not necessarily sure why you're handing me lollipops is a problem. So that's probably a problem. I'm not necessarily sure why you're handing me lollipops and I'm taking it, but I think we can normalize giving candy to your friends as adults. I think that's fine. I, you know what, we're going to do that. As soon as you give us our hats next time we see you, when is the last time y'all too? Yeah. Uh, just pop what you say your pops. Oh, oh, yesterday pop for you yesterday. Bad question for us.

There was, there was nerds, gummy clusters yesterday and I ate like 10 of them and they look, they actually look like Dolphins Uniforms. That's a different situation. We're not talking about that. You're talking about just regular old Tootsie rolls and dumb dumb. Yeah. I, I have a secret candy stash here that I'll put people onto it. I'll be like, Hey, you want to see this? And I'll hand them some candy. So yeah, you're asking the wrong dudes. We're passing around candy all day. And that was talking Miami

dolphins. We're not talking. We're not talking about the candy that you guys are talking. Yeah. Steve, I got a question for you. So I'm a bears fan. They fired their coach. The line that's coming out of house hall right now is they need to find a leader of men. Can you explain to me what a leader of men is? I think so. A leader of men. When you, when you compare it to stalking, it's really about holding everyone accountable, not based on your draft status, not based on, uh, you know, what this individual means

to the franchise that everybody is treated the same. However, there are certain people with veterans where they have different, you know, opportunities and different things to do. I think there's a lot of mixed messages going on a lot of things that probably live up to the expectation based on the talent of that team. And so that's what the leader of men is that not someone not shilly shally and someone sticking to what they believe and kind of making sure that they hold the rest of the team accountable to that as well. Yeah.

Yeah. Who's the best leader of men that you've played for? Well, obviously, let's see. Recently. So, uh, John hardball John Fox They tried that yeah, we tried that John's well John's who also Ron Rivera was like a

players coach. Oh And I wouldn't say he's not a leader men men, but I think players coaches sometimes get a pass where they make themselves more about the players and I just easily to him into yeah. I don't even want to go there. When, when, when you have a coach though, and like it obviously was the bears, like the coat Eberfuels kind of had lost the locker room. Is there, can you feel that shift in a locker room where it's like, Oh, this is, and is there any coming back from it? Yeah. Is there any coming back from it or is it like, once it happens, it's kind of over. The only thing you could do is win games to come back from the way they were losing games, how they were losing games. It got worse. It wasn't improving. It was getting worse each and every time. So you got to make a step.

And I would imagine probably something was said in that locker room after the game that probably was about, Hey, we, and it wasn't a, we, it was a he, right. And that just kind of just, it was, that was a straw to broke. Yeah. So in your career, have you, uh, have you had the, the experience of playing for an interim coach? No, no, no. Okay. Cause I was wondering, that was a great question.

I was, I have a question. Thank you. Yeah. So that I, we always like to bet on interim head coaches when they step in that first week, because you get the bump of having a guy that's gone that probably had lost the locker room. And then usually the interim coach would be somebody that's like because you get the bump of having a guy that's gone that probably had lost the locker room. And then usually the interim coach would be somebody that's like, you know, big, tough guy, strength and conditioning background might just get you juiced up to run through somebody's face that game that week.

But yeah, I guess if you, if you haven't been through it, that's probably a good thing because you never had a coach that was fired in season for you. No, I haven't. I just had a coach, uh, give fire right after the team meeting and was talking to us, it was George Seifert as if he was going to be coaching us next year. Yeah, that's weird. That was really weird. Yeah. That was extremely weird.

It's like, Hey, make sure you do this. You make it. I'm like, I'm still about to get fired. What is he talking about? The other thing that happens a lot during losing streaks is the players only meetings. And we're big fans of players only meetings, but sometimes there might,

you might have too many players only meetings. At what point in the season do you decide, hey, it's time to have a players only meeting? And then what gets discussed during those meetings? Since you two are in a player, I can't discuss it with you on the player only meeting. Madden. Right. Yeah, shit. Meeting, um, Madden, right? Yeah. Too many is too many. When you two is too many. Yeah. First one, you gotta do it after

that. If it's not getting done, then you just have to have a little conversations on the side. Yeah. So, yeah. Um, I want to talk about your Panthers, uh, Bryce young, incredible what he's looked like since he came back from that benching. Sure. Um, what, what, what happened in those three weeks? Like what I want, I want to study those three weeks because it looks like a completely different guy. Obviously he's still got a lot of work to do, but the confidence and like how he's seeing the field is night and day versus what we saw last year, all of last year in the

beginning of this year. Well, you just getting a guy that gives opportunity to see the game from a different perspective, seeing it from the seat versus seeing it from behind the center and get an opportunity to be coached and seeing, you know, not everybody deals with adversity to say, but obviously Bryce has shown you that he could deal with adversity. He's used to it. He has a good pedigree. And, you know, I think I've

said it from the beginning. I thought it was a great idea just based on how the situation went. He was first overall pick, really didn't have to fight for his job. It was handed to him. That team wasn't, you know, that team obviously wasn't great looking at the record, offense aligned, sustained some injuries. So there's a lot of different things and you just throw them out there and they expect Bryce Young to fix all the ailments of all the other areas that are needed improvement. And so it didn't go well and it kind of picked up from where it started,

picked up where it started with the firing of Coach Wright and then with Coach Canales, same thing. And Coach Canales, you know, had the authority and also had the perspective of, hey, I think this is the best thing for our team moving forward. And it looks like that was the right move. Yeah. It's been fun to watch them. I think a lot of people wrote them off, maybe, maybe us included at some points,

but, but it's fun to, yeah, we did. Yeah. We watched a lot of the bad games, but it's been cool to see them come back and play well. So what is, what is Dave Canales doing that is helping Bryce out specifically? Well, one, uh, have a better offensive line Play action. He's under center, you know, you're seeing a lot of different things He's the RPO game some of the things he did in college So and then his office of mine is bringing a different perspective. They're running a football. I

Mean they're doing a lot of different things compared to last year. Hmm Yeah name is it's I mean the, heck, boys, they're scoring. How about the type of throws that he's making down the field? Yeah. He just seems to be way more confident in every throw that he's making. It was a great game on Sunday. Uh, I want to give you the opportunity to say something nice about Baker Mayfield.

Hmm. Oh, we lost him. Is he frozen? Oh, I'm not frozen. He's a dog. Is he a dog? He's a dog. Baker Baker. Yeah, I guess so. I don't believe it. I'm not buying that dog. That's how I sell them. That was a little purse dog you just had right there. Is he has he been better than you thought he would be? I don't care. You don't care about me. I don't care about him. I like that. I think you yeah, he probably would respect that.

There's no beef. Sounds like a little bit of beef, Steve. There's some beef there. Absolutely not. I'll bet you a flat brim hat. There's beef. there? Absolutely not. I'll bet you a flat brim hat. There's beef. I bet you, I bet you Tim flat brim hats is not a beef. Okay. There's no beef. So if there's no beef, can you say one thing that he's done well? He's doing, he's doing really good. He's throwing the football. He beat the Panthers. He's doing a good job. Yeah. What I try to do is I try to leave that alone, man. All right. No more, no more beef. Okay. Got it. What, what there is, there is, there is no beef. What quarterback

can you be critical of, uh, right now? Because you do like to be critical of quarterbacks. Which one do you expect more of, uh, coming down the stretch? Hmm. I, it's Kurt Cousins. I expect him. He gotta be to be better man Yeah, Kurt was out there Kurt was killing it for the other team the other day. Um, just didn't see that coming Well, do you think they make a switch We say I don't think they'll make a switch they got too much I don't know if I don't know if Michael Pinnix is ready to to make that switch I also think the his line is for the Atlanta Falcons, it's not great, you know, but Kurt is moving a lot, moving around in the pocket

a lot more than he should be. That's not his specialty, but you know, he just got to play better for picks. So that's, that's, that's uncharacteristic of Kurt. Okay. We'll be back to Steve Smith in a second quick word from our friends at aura frames Isn't it funny how people we love most are often the hardest to shop for? Luckily, there's one gift that everyone on your list is sure to enjoy an aura digital picture frame We actually got one from Jake and Billy a few years ago. I have it in my house Listen, if you have kids, you know, you got to look at you know, you got pictures of your kids. Great gift for parents. My parents have these all over the place.

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Hmm. I mean those fifth round picks from the los angeles chargers man. Those dudes is out there playing well I'm pretty impressed with them There's a there's the defense a little bit this year's big kind of hit or miss right? You've seen guys play well Um, and then you've seen guys disappear Uh guys are playing a lot of zone coverage like the Philadelphia Eagles. Their draft picks are bowling. I mean, there's a lot of guys that aren't first round draft picks that are really contributing to their teams in ways that people weren't just expecting it.

Yeah. Did you see that Jim Harbaugh said that Lad McConkey reminds you? Is that a good compliment? Yeah, yeah lads a bit awesome Man, it laughs a dog. I like loud. I did a breakdown that I liked him in at Georgia. I was very consistent. I Mean I take that as a compliment. I'm not worried about falling into the oh He's this he's, or who reminds me, man, if, if coach says that that lad can play that I agree lad can play.

Yeah. When I look at lad and then I, you know, and I look at myself, I was like, man, is this lad or Steve, Steve or lad? I mean, so that's, you know, that's how I feel. All right. So I have another receiver I wanted to ask you about one of our, one of our favorite. Wait, wait, wait. Does that mean that you're rooting for lad to do well? Because that way, the comparison to Steve

Smith is good. Are you rooting for lad to not be as good because then you can be like, I want lad. I want lad to ball just because I've been watching. I watched this film last year. He's coming out of college at Georgia. He's steady. Eddie, he's consistent. What you see is what you get. Uh, this has nothing to do with me. This has to do with man to book to do could just ball flat out. All right. So the other receiver I wanted to ask you about one of our personal favorites, George Pickens. Okay. Um, what are your thoughts on George Pickens because he plays with an edge that is sometimes, sometimes goes over the line. Is that like, do you need to, you don't want to take all the George out of George Pickens. You want him to be that fiery guy, but what is,

what does he have to do that maybe tone it down a little? Or do you just say, Hey no, George go be you. He got to tone it down a little bit just cause people are talking about it. So in that, you know, and I've been a guy that understands, you know, when people are talking about it. So, and I've been a guy that understands, people are talking about you like that. There's going to be this assumed disposition about you. People are going to believe what they see or believe what some other people may say, even though the context may not be all in line,

but George is going to have to calm down. He's a heck of a football player. He has one of the best coaches out there who really rocks with you. So if Mike T is telling you, you need to rein it in, then guess what? You need to rein it in. Because Mike T, if you think about it,

Mike T has been around a lot of special wide receivers, guys who can change the game like that in your favor. He's also seen that some of these guys haven't managed themselves well, so he's speaking more from Not I'm better than but I've seen this movie before and I know how the ending is so you need to be careful I think he likes having guys like that around though because it gives him a good challenge as a coach He likes being able to you know Take somebody and help them reach that next level and maybe battle some of their, they're like internal demons. But with George, I feel like you can't really tell George to stop being George because that's

who he is and that makes him special. I think you need to tell his teammates almost have like a quarterback rule where the second he gets tackled, just have everybody out in the field run up to him, help him up and walk him back to the huddle. Just like, don't do the gun sign, don't grab anybody by the face mask, don't punt the ball into the stands. Just let's all work as a team to get George back

to the huddle after every reception. Okay, sounds like a plan. Yeah, I feel like, so you got those reputation calls at points when they be looking at you. Another guy that gets the reputation calls, I feel like, so you got those, you got those reputation calls at points when they be looking at you. Another guy that gets the reputation calls, I feel like is DK Metcalf, where now he's, he's under a microscope for Seattle. Have you watched him recently this year? No, I watched him. He's been hurt a little bit, but they're doing a really good job.

I don't think you could put DK in the same category. Um, some of the stuff that's going on, I think, you know, every situation is different, um, to lump all these guys together and say, they're troublemakers, man. I don't think that's fair. No, no, I don't think DK is a troublemaker at all. I love the way that DK plays the game. I'm just saying that I feel like the refs after there's enough times where you get a penalty against you, I feel like the refs they start to zero in on you and you get reputation calls that maybe you don't earn. And I think that that's what's happened sometimes with DK. Okay. I'll go with that. Yeah. All right, Steve. So it's

December. It's winning football time. If you had to pick your Superbowl right this second, give you a second chance. I don't know what your Superbowl was before the season. But it wasn't, I didn't pick anything. You didn't pick anything? All right, so this is your first chance. You get a good chance here. Who would you say in December is going to be in the Super Bowl? Let's go with I'll give you two. How about can I give you two?

Yeah, you can give us as many as you want. All right, let's go with Detroit, Kansas City. Okay. Or Philly and Buffalo. I like that. Those are both good picks. Yeah. With Kansas City, they are playing with fire. They've had like a bunch of really,

really close victories where it seems like they're going to lose and then somehow they managed to pull it off. Do you think that's more of like a bunch of really, really close victories where it seems like they're going to lose and then somehow they managed to pull it off. Do you think that's more of like a weakness in Kansas City or has it become almost to the point where it's a strength, where they know how to win these close games? Man, people are always looking at especially the way Kansas City is winning. They're looking to really kind of be critical of them. I mean, there's ugly wins and there's pretty wins, but the thing you want to just really focus on on the wins. They sustain a lot of injuries.

It's really hard to say that, hey, next man up when the, you know, Pacheco is not a guy that you just, his backup is not the next Pacheco. So it's hard to really replace him, right? Rashid Rice, when he's been able to do Hollywood, like all these guys had a role and that offense and defense was constructed based on those individuals roles. And then now those guys are gone. And so the next guy that's filling in, he won't be better. If he was better, he would have been starting.

So that's why they went got D hop. Cause he's more of a guy that can freelance a little bit that's what he does and then with with Patrick, so I Don't really think Them winning by less is anything. I think sometimes they maybe play down to their opponent, but I mean There's still only one they've only lost one game. So I don't really understand all the, it's just more of the hate more than anything because they've been so successful and trying to get that three Pete. Yeah. Um, we had, uh, our good friend Fred Smoot stopped by the office last week and he's an all time shit talker.

You're an all time shit talker. Did you ever line up against him? And how did that shit talking go? Oh, yeah, man Fred. We asked him pretty fun Just now we tell we chillin to old man now Yeah, but I would imagine that's fireworks when you I mean that's I feel like that's has been a match for both of you Like if you're like who who could match up against Fred Smoot and the shit-talking You know department at Steve Smith and vice versa Yeah, Fred is ready He still talks so good stuff though. Yeah. Yeah, did you was there any cornerback that would get in your head that would know to piss you off

You know Brennan Browner got in my head a little bit Sherm Sherm got in my head. I got in Sherm's head. It's funny is when me and Sherm are like kind of in the same area when we're working, we always end up talking and somehow some way I end up always apologizing to Sherm for something I did to him. It's like every single time and I understand it like he's the victim every time. Yeah, that's how he gets you. Yeah, don't let him do that

So you stand up for yourself and the way he talks about it actually feel bad, too Yeah. Yeah, he was doing some of the talking too. Oh Lot of the talking he needs to apologize to you for some stuff Yeah, we all can't live in the past man, some people need to move forward. Yeah Steve I had I had one last question for you. It's a robot question. R H O B A C K.com promo code. Take 20% off your first purchase. Q Zips, Polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts. You're a big golfer. How's your golf game going and how's the shit talking on the golf course? Cause that's, I would, I would love to see that. We got to, we got to get,

we got to do a video with you. Let's do it. Uh, I I'm enjoying golf, man. I'm enjoying golf, uh, big time. Like a one of my guys right here, uh, out for the, uh, out of the office right here with ghost golf. Um, so I've been having with, I've been hanging with them a little bit. That's one of my partners. So I been enjoying it. Golf, um, actually it's kind of weird golf is that place. Uh, there's some, there's some stuff about 89 stuff about Smith. And I didn't even know it was there. Like, um, I've really, I can't play a lot of rap music, uh, no trap, none of that stuff on the golf course. You know, one of the big things I've been in is, uh, and country

music on the golf course, bro. That's it. That's the stuff. Man. Some little jelly rolls, Shaboosie, um, uh, um, um, Oregon walling. Like I just, bro, I've been rolling on this been this big kind of dope. Yes. Nice chill stuff.

What's your handicap? Uh, it's about a 15. Um, I I the last couple weeks. I've been working I played the other day and I was Terrible. I mean terrible like It was so bad me and my driver not seeing eye to eye Yeah It cost too much to well I got fitted so I put it in there I put it in the Bag and I was just playing with my my irons which helped held my game a little bit I was just but I'm doing pretty good. That's perfect a golf company called out of office. That's Hanks two favorite things

Yeah, all rolled into one. Yeah, our producer would absolutely love that. Yeah, so have you got a hole in one yet? No, I have not I've bro.. I missed the eagle for a birdie. I missed a birdie for par. I missed the eagle for birdie and a par. Okay. So I'm my putty is, as my son Peyton was saying, my putting, I putt like Ray Charles. He says, Dad, what are you reading? You should invite journalists to play golf with you. Yeah. Be friends with them so that they put you in the Hall of Fame. We need Steve Smith in a gold jacket. And I want to see how they make your bust. I want to see what that statue looks like.

Yeah. It's going to happen. I just hope it's not the same people that did the wedding wait. Yeah. That was a bad one. Make sure that guy's not involved. Yeah. They usually do a good job with the Hall of Fame though. Yeah, they do. All right, well Steve, we look forward to getting our hats. Yep. You're going to actually do it this time. You're going to give me your information. I'll give you all of our information and you're going to we'll have we'll have it texted to you right now. And yeah, we need the hats. Send us as many as, uh, I'll get you some, I'll do the LA hats and then I'll get you some, um,

cause I'm driving down there. I'm in LA right now. So I'm driving down there to get, uh, go to ghost golf today. Okay. Perfect. Love that. Love it. And you want to make another hat bed at any time. Just let us know. Yeah. We're game. Okay. Yeah. Hey, where are you guys located? Chicago. You gotta come check it out. We got a whole studio. Uh, uh, you know, this is Nipia in Chicago. We got a golf simulator though. We got a golf simulator coming the summer. We got a full court basketball court. We got everything. We get out there. Yeah, that would be awesome. We'd love to have you. We'd love

to host you. Um, all right, Steve, thanks so much, man. Be well. And, uh, we're looking forward to the hall of fame. We're excited for it. Alright, hey give me, give me guys information too. Alright, okay perfect. Alright, thanks so much Steve. Thank you. Alright, see ya. Steve Smith was brought to you by the Farmers Dog. We all love our dogs. Our dogs complete us. I love Blake. Big Cat loves Stella. We love our dogs. They're the best. And we all want peace of mind that we're doing the best we can to keep them healthy and happy. That's where the farmer's dog comes in. The farmer's dog makes and delivers fresh, healthy dog food right to your door. It's developed by vets. It's nutritionally balanced.

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Wait NFL kickers should have to fill finish a 12 pack actually I'm gonna guess like 46 how old is Sebastian Janikowski is definitely from him. Yeah, that might be him He would be the greatest the greatest kicker of all time if that were the case. Yeah they should just put NFL kickers on like a downer. They just need to put them on. So they don't get hyped up. They gotta put them on Xanax. Yeah, put them on Xanax.

Have them go out there on Xanax. There's something going on with kickers and we're gonna find out what it is. There really is. What's up, Henry Lighthouse, Big Fat, and Skiyeeft. My girlfriend and her boyf- brother. My girlfriend and her brother are massive Ravens fans and her brother recently said if Lamar wins the Super Bowl this year He'll begin to unseat my homes as the best QB in the league Is this crazy glazing or is there some merit to this?

Merit oh oh okay interesting the you Mara's to in there Lamar has two and a super bowl. Does Lamar have two or does he have two? Lamar has two. We made it abundantly clear that MVPs don't matter on this show. With Mahomes individual numbers falling off this year, is there any chance people begin to declare Lamar as best QB or is that too far-fetched? I think this happens a lot with quarterbacks that are you know considered to be the greatest of all time There will be doubters and haters along the way that predict their demise before it actually happens and then the great ones bounce back against them Yeah, so what have you done for me lately? My homes has two and they want a piece last year three Super Bowl MVPs three Super Bowls

I think that's pretty tough to say one Super Bowl now unseat. I got a question for you, Biquette. Uh, Hank just said it's a, what have you done for me lately? League in regards to Patrick Mahomes. Yeah, he's back to back. This is, this is two Super Bowls in a row. Um, that's, that's it. This conversation like in March, 11 and one, listen, the Mahomes is going to go, he's going to be Brady. Like he's going to win multiple, like probably a couple more. If you're Lamar, if you're Josh or if you're Joe burrow, your hope is that you are Rottlesberger, Brees or Manning. Yeah. Like that's, I'm just being

honest with you. Like I don't, Lamar's not going to win five super bowls, but if you can win one or two, then he's going to go down in the hall. I mean, he's already a Hall of Famer, but he's going to go down as one of the greats. But Mahomes is so far ahead. The good news is there is time to rewrite the narrative. Yeah. Like we know what the narrative is going to be and it's what Big Cat just said, but at this moment in time, you can, you can think and use your imagination and say, there's still time. like what if Lamar just rattles off four in a row? Yeah, you know if Lamar wins back-to-back Super Bowls Then we will start having this conversation because then it would be three Super Bowls to two and same amount of MVPs So he's got you got to get to two before we can start talking about unseating Patrick Moulton

I think if Josh Allen wins MVP in a Super Bowl, he's in that conversation, too He's got to get to two to start unseating. I think if it's three to two, you can start having a conversation. But three to one is not, you can't, you can't have that conversation. Mission about Russ. Russ wins the Super Bowl this year. When is second? Yeah.

And he's back, he's got to be in the conversation. That's true. You think of, you think of 2000s quarterbacks, you think of Mah of my homes Brady Russell Wilson. That's Stafford Eli Stafford wins his second Piece of my pinky Michigan fan here. I'm buzzing from Saturday last three years have been nothing short of amazing with all the massive wins and championships Something about watching Ohio State and Ryan Day shit down their pants was maybe even more satisfying than any of it I don't know why that is I can't explain it

But we were just so bad this year. Didn't matter at all. Then the meltdown they had after the game with the flag. It was like good porn. The game game had me damn near having to cross my legs, hiding a chubby, even though the football was so awful. Yeah. And my way off base for feeling like this. I know Hank would say I'm crazy, but I don't know what it is, man when hit like crack that alright, so he just explained a rivalry and I Exist you explained winning it like I Understand that feeling like that's you know the Patriots beat the Seahawks Patriots win 28 to 3 like the the buzzing feeling you have after winning a good game literally last you for

Months maybe even years like the Celtics won the championship like I'm still so I get the riding that high I do mm-hmm Michigan fans it's and I understand the rivalry and that Ohio State fans should be devastated but I'm I was more surprised at the lack of like let's keep fighting because their season's not over but I hear the point of them being like well it doesn't matter it's like if I was Ohio State I would be crushed but also like let's win a national champion yeah I think the part you're missing is it's basically in part I guess it's been four years of Ryan Day being like we have to beat Michigan like we have to beat Michigan and then they spent all

this money and they couldn't beat a dog shit Michigan. Yeah I mean there's you find a lot of joy in winning things and being a personal champion. You find almost as much joy in watching your your biggest rivals just piss down their leg and fuck up like being a hater is very very fun. But what adds to that is if your biggest rivals can absolutely shit the bed while you're still buzzing in the afterglow of a championship yourself and it's then that's like full that's a speedball when you play once a

year and you've been playing for a hundred years you win that game you get to talk shit for literally 365 days and they have the counter like it's been this many days since Ohio State's beat Michigan. It's brutal What two of those were wins because Michigan? Yeah, that's true in the quarter and and I guess the difference too between like the Celtics or some of the other championships that were You know easy wins essentially or like never in doubt Winning games you're supposed to lose or like your big 20-point underdog or you're down a lot and then those that next week of of

You're down a lot and then those that next week of of like searching the opposite fan base is cope Yeah, is the best the best also Ohio State there this year against Michigan. They're 1-0 and having better players. Mm-hmm And spending more money. Yep. It's also great. And again, like I'm not I'm not completely oblivious to the rivalry thing It is great. Like Michigan fans can like like They lose Ohio State they're watching the playoff games with pure hatred now they can like, like they lose Ohio State, they're watching the playoff games with pure hatred. Now they can like watch the games and like laugh. They can be like, Oh, this is going to be funny. Even if they win, this is still funny. Yeah. Our good friend, Tom Frinelli suggests that maybe Hank should go to the big 10 championship game and root against his hated rival, the Oregon ducks. I mean, Hank has two favorite

teams in college football. It's the Washington Huskies and whoever's playing the Ducks. Nope. I got a new one. And whoever's playing Wazoo. No, there's a new one. What? Nebraska. That's your new favorite team? It's second to Washington. Dana signed a contract extension. Yeah. That's my best friend. Those are two big 10 teams. I know. I'm going to, I mean Belichick and Dana, like it's, it's, those are two heavy hitters. Yeah. But yeah, rivalries in college football mean more than in pro sports. They just do. It's, it's, it's what, like, it's just why the sport is so, so much fun is because the

hatred is so deep and like, it's all that matters. Um, or was that it? Okay. The hatred is so deep and like it's all that matters. All right, was that it? Okay. Yeah, no, that guy, by the way, is everything he says completely right. If I were a Michigan fan, I'd just be watching. I mean, I even saw, I saw a hype video where they had the Michigan team going into the shoe

and it was a song, it was a song from Sicario. And it was one of the coolest hype videos I've ever seen. And I'm not a Michigan fan. I would say that I don't like Ohio State more than I don't like Michigan, but I don't like either. And I watched that and being like, holy fuck, this is incredible. I would like to see more, I don't know if it.

That was from Richard, not down bad right now. Okay, I Think the only thing I would like to see more of I would like to see more Ohio State bar Reactions, I feel like there wasn't a lot of those there are like those are always good. Yeah Yeah crushed, but there wasn't really I guess there wasn't a moment. It was a slow death Because those like that's the about the Seahawks like that. Those are the greatest videos of all time Yeah, yeah, you have to have a big swinging moment where they they thought they're gonna win You like the Yankees like Billy's the Ohio State had the ball for two minutes in the fourth quarter It's crazy. It's nuts. All right, good show boys

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21 oh OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH hey memes have you ever gotten this? NOOOOO I did get it No you did I got it No you did Oh Get it no, I got it. No, I got it. I got it. I got it President Pug Wait, why are you talking to the mic?

Hey respect Respect the office. Dumb fucking fool. Who, who, who, who out of, out of, uh, MeMax, Memes, Hank, PFT, who has never gotten it? I believe it was Me. Oh, good pick. I got it, I get that right. Good pick, PFT. Thank you, I appreciate it. Way to go. Yay, no, that was his number.

Me, that was his number. That was my number. That was his number. That was my number That you don't get your number don't get to turn present pugs my you didn't pick we live in a society That was it is the way you got deep state is not here. You technically did not pick that no pick That's his pipe. I got it means you're the one I got a pug into office. I got the number you did that I got that his pick guess what but I got no no No, you said have you ever picked it right? I know no I got no no have you ever gotten this no the question is Have you ever gotten this?

Have you ever gotten this that's right? Yes. No you have not you know never got this. I think the question No, no, no, I have gotten it cuz I said no you get no have you picked it right? Have you ever have you ever ever gotten this? Not in the old studio, but no you have never ever this is a win shit. He's never gotten this is a win No, it's not well hang on the three ball and out in the old studio. Oh here come the What remember went missing Hank honestly lives in your head memes tft has a win here No, he has he has gotten the number you were the only one who has not gotten the number I'm now rooting so hard for Shane and Jack. Oh

my god, oh Shane's got it. Oh Jack Jack's guess like four times total. Oh my god. We must get Jack a win. Oh my god That's way longer. Yeah, streak memes. You were so close. Yeah, you you have the longest streak by far No way. I hear someone's got a crunch to data Hank streak was long, but I think you went to the old studio to this. I just guessed it, right? No, you know I got it memes. What memes what was your number? I Guess no. No, no, no. What was your number? Oh was your number? I guess two.

No, no, no, no, no. What was your number? I'll ask PFT, PFT, what was your number? I think it was at 58. Well, PFT's bad at picking numbers. What was your number, PFT? Oh, my number was two. Okay, two is up there.

Yeah. PFT got it. I picked that. Wait, and also- Pug, you motherfucker. And you're a genius. Pug, so going forward is it, is PFT- No, his mic's off.

I picked the right number. His mic's off. Respect the president. Secret service, please turn the mic back on. Hank's mic is off. I picked the right number. Respect the president. Secret Service, please turn the mic back on. Hank's mic is off. I picked the right number. Memes is drunk with power right now. So, the thing is, Memes in picking my number, you knew that he would not want me to get it before him, right? So he was trying to pick a number that he didn't think would hit, and he's even bad at that.

Is PFT still picking Mem as number pug and vice versa? This is, I would say yes. I, I, what do you guys think? I'll, I'll continue to pick memes as number. Okay. If it, if it pleases the president. I mean, because we got to, like, we're trying to have a conversation.

Memes, we're trying to do a podcast.. We're trying to do a podcast the podcast is over Okay, great job. Great job PFT Congrats. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate it guys I want to thank everybody out there that stuck with me all the all the PFT writers appreciate you There's so many people in the room to thank big cat. I want to thank you Max thank you very much for sticking with me through thick and thin. NFC beast for everybody. Pug, great job as president. You've done, this has been a great era for the podcast. Shane, awesome as always. Never forget that really cool letter that you designed that one time and the chargers look great. Jack is doing an awesome job too. And most of all, there's one other person I forgot to thank.

And that's you. Love you guys. So So I'm going to be a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a

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