Pardon My Take - Nuggets HC Michael Malone, Comedian Big Jay Oakerson, Celtics Lose Game 7 And Hank Is Down Bad + Success Finale Recap

Episode Date: May 30, 2023

The Celtics lose Game 7 and Hank is down bad. We talk the incredible series, Game 6 and Max's kiss. Hank answers questions about the future and we talk some Stanley Cup Finals (00:00:00-00:45:43). Who's back of the week including DeAndre Hopkins and the Taliban (00:45:43-01:05:09). Nuggets Head Coach Michael Malone joins us to talk NBA Playoffs, the evolution of Jokic, Coaching Strategies, and Jamal Murray (01:05:09-01:41:24). Big Jay Oakerson joins us in studio to talk comedy, his new special out on youtube, cruise ships and more (01:41:24-02:39:25). We wrap up with Succession final recap (SPOILERS) (02:39:25-02:53:20) and the lottery ball.You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/PardonMyTake

Hey, pardon my take listeners, you can find every episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. On today's part of my take, we got a twofer for the people. Nuggets head coach Michael Malone. Awesome interview with him. And then Big J. O'Kerson. Incredible stand-up comedies. Got a new special out. He was in studio. So an extra long part in my take. Remember, we only have Tuesday and Friday this week. So if you want to save some for Wednesday, you can. We have Game 7 Celtics Heat. We're going to talk about that game, where Hank's head is at. Also, maybe someone getting a random smooch over the weekend. Who's back in the week? And succession finale, series finale. So we'll talk about that after

the interviews. So if you haven't watched it, just don't listen to the last 10 minutes of the show, because there will be spoilers. Before we do all of that, we are brought to you by ourselves, the Barstool Sportsbook. Today's part of my take is brought to you by the Barstool Sportsbook. The Barstool Sportsbook is now offering $1,000 bonus for new players. If your first bet loses, get up to $1,000 in bonus cash. Hank, can you open up the Barstool Sportsbook? Let me know if there's a line for Game 1 of the NBA Finals. And you can go right now, download and create an account today. Use code TAKE to unlock your $1,000 bonus. Be sure to use code TAKE to unlock your $1,000 bonus. Terms applied must be 21 plus gambling

problem called 1-800-Gambler. Do we have a line? Whose line is this anyway? Nuggets minus 8. Jake? Nuggets minus 6 and a half. PFT? Billy? No. I was waiting for Hank to say my name. Hank doesn't want to say my name right now. He doesn't want to say it. He doesn't want to say it. Say my name, bitch. Billy? Minus 4. Okay. Nuggets. Okay. Max? I'll say Nuggets minus 8. Nuggets minus 9. Wow. Wow. Okay. So NBA Finals starting. We also have the Stanley Cup Finals starting, which is set, which I accidentally said was set in the synopsis on Friday's show. Turns out I was right though. The Knights are going to play the

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for your bet, the $10,000 to win $1,000 when you bet the Heat up 3-0 and the Panthers up 3-0 cashes. Got to be the biggest relief of all time. It was an investment big guy. It wasn't a bet. The mission was always to make 10% ROI on your investment. It had never happened before in the history of the NBA. And there's a reason why I didn't do this bet if it was a six game series. You need seven games. You need that extra cushion there to win. So this all fell into the model statistically. It was exactly where I wanted to be. It's no different than if we had one game forward that we won game seven. It's 10%. Then we collect, we regroup, we move on. I need Carl Nassim though to tell me how many times I need to make this bet before I become a quadrillionaire,

like the compound interest. I don't know how that works. But I'm pretty sure if I take the squareest parlay of all time at 10% ROI, eventually I'll be the richest man on earth. Yes. So I'm waiting to hear how I can, I guess, advance and use my winnings to make more money. But it wasn't about me. It wasn't about the bet. I actually, I hated to win the bet that way when you had Jason Tatum go down with a spraying ankle on the first play of the game pretty much. We don't refer to it. We knew that he was not going to be himself on defense. He wasn't moving at all on offense. Every shot that he was taking, it was like he was thinking really hard before every single shot trying to will his way to be able to get a little bit of elevation on any shot.

So it was tough. You don't want to win that way. If I, if I could give the money back, I would because it felt dirty, winning, winning that 10% that way. Yeah. It's Warren Buffett, the guy from Wolf of Wall Street and PFT, the greatest investors of our time. Let's talk to Hank. Should we PFT? Should we talk to Hank? Well, we can talk to Hank. I don't know if he's going to talk back to us. Good, good point. We do not know if Hank will partake in today's part of my take. Coming off an L. Henry, you're trending on Twitter. Some are saying that you ended the stream early. I didn't. Okay. In the stream, fit into early PFT. I don't push the buttons. Factor fiction. Where are you at mentally?

Why don't you tell us how you're feeling and please do elaborate. Use your words as much, the beauty of a podcast is there are no commercial breaks. That's true, big cat. I'm here as I always am. I'm always ready to give my takes. I'm feeling very disappointed. There was a lot of excitement going into the game. It almost felt like people from Boston were a little bit too sure the Celtics were going to win. Everyone was already kind of counting the Red Sox and Celtics as the first two teams to ever come back from three nothing before it actually happened. Not you. I was expecting them to come out. I was expecting them to come out too anxious or ready to blow the doors off and miss some shots and that happened. I wasn't surprised in the first quarter or second

quarter. And then the third quarter, they had a run. They had the momentum. The crowd was in it. They were getting defensive stops and they just could not make a shot. They had some really, really bad turnovers, a lot of turnovers, I think like 14 or 15 and they just could not hit a shot. Obviously Tatum going down in the first play, not going to make excuses, but that's never what you want. And besides Derek White, no one was hitting shots. So let me ask you a question. Not to make excuses because Tatum's injury was real. Like you could see he was he was hobbled. He was not the same. But you brought up a point that you thought a lot of people were saying game seven was it was over. Like you guys were good. Walk me through Saturday night when Derek White

makes that putback. One of the most insane endings to an NBA game with the stakes as high as it could be. You yourself are not thinking we got this. Oh, I absolutely did. I was. I was. Listen, I said it after game four. It felt like again, it did. There was a lot of comparisons. 2004, they got blown out game three, then they get it to seven. And then in game seven, obviously that was a blowout. So obviously that's how you felt. We've been in this way before and in game seven, we blew them out. I was confident. I felt like we had all the momentum on our side and we did. And then our star player got hurt and we couldn't. It's not even there's no excuses to be made. They just missed every single shot looked by the three died by the three and and they died by the three. Game

six was unbelievable. PFT. I was with PFT just that win. And the day after did it did feel like a game seven win. It felt like a series when I was I was basking at it. I truly was. I mean, the way that you won game six is almost better than winning the series. That was just true. That's true. And coming back like counts essentially is a win. No, see, I said that too. That's that's the true hard part of being a Boston sports fan that people always make fun of us for. But we lost a game seven at home to an eight seed in hockey. We lost a game seven at home to an eight seed in basketball. Is there anyone in this room that roots for both those teams? Wait, were they both? It was both from the same part of the country. Yep. Is there anyone in this room who has just complete ownership

of Henry Lockwood? Jake Marsh. Oh, no. Jake. That guy. He owns you. Yeah. Can you say it? South Florida. We say it. But will you say what I just said? Jake Marsh owns Henry Lockwood. Yeah, Jake Marsh. Jake Marsh owns Henry Lockwood. I had all the momentum. I had PFT is really stupid bet. And then Max had obviously will get to it. The dumbest video and funniest video maybe in the history of this podcast. And it just sucks so much that it doesn't matter as much because the Celtics lost a series. If the Celtics won that series, I would, I mean, I'm still going to, you know, relive that video many times, but if they had won the series, it just would have been so much sweeter. And it sucks. It's a disappointment. They, it as fun as the series was, as fun as

Saturday night was, it's a let down. They should have been in that spot. They win game one or two. And then they could have won the series in six, but it's USA losing the gold is what happened. Yeah. Cause you had the moment. You had the iconic moment in game six. You had the iconic kiss herd around the world with Max and his bro. And all of it gets just kind of erased from history except the Max and the kiss that we will, that will come up often. Do you want to explain it? Yeah. All right. Yeah. We could explain it. So in game six, the Derek White game, which was insane. Like I, I even blew that game. That's the other part of that game without the Celtics shouldn't have been in that position. Well, I said,

Duncan Robinson makes a wide open three, one of two shots that he had at the end. Then, then we're not even talking about game seven. And by the way, we were wrong. We said that game six was game seven. We said that game five was game six. Game seven was game seven. It's true. And that was a good lesson. Game seven is always game seven. That was a true must win. By the way, next time we have Duncan Robinson on Jake, remind me to ask him, I think on that three, he shot with like a minute and 40 left. He shouldn't have dribbled. He dribbled once and he was in when he caught the ball. He was in perfect rhythm to just rise and shoot. He had one dribble and I think that took him out of his rhythm, but just put a pin in that one.

But so back to Saturday night. Incredible. I, it wasn't an incredible game. I actually was sitting on my couch being like, what did I just watch? Because it felt like both teams wanted to lose and it wasn't well played, but it had the most insane ending ever because you had Jimmy Butler terrible for 44 minutes that he played. He played 46 last two minutes. He scores 10 points, gets the three point foul, hits all three free throws to go up. Wait a second. It was a two point foul that Missoula challenged into a three point, but then got you the 0.9 seconds back. Yeah. Yeah. And yeah, it was a, was a dumb challenge. It was, it was maybe the worst challenge of all time ever, ever. And so Jimmy Butler nails all three, ice in his veins, three

seconds left, a ball out at half court, Marcus smart turns, misses a shot, misses a three pointer and Derek White gets to the rebound where he was like, he was the inbounder gets to the rebound, puts it up in, in with no time left on the clock, maybe the most ridiculous ending because everyone was watching Marcus smart miss and being like series over, game over, everything's over and Derek White just snuck in there and did it. Meanwhile, uh, we're, so I'm on my couch, PFT and Hank are watching together Saturday night, holiday weekend. We're not streaming. Max decided that, uh, content is king, which I want to give him a little, if we had, if we had Buckeye stickers we could put on our helmets. Max gets a couple of cameras on his helmet

for Saturday night. Cause he had, he could have done nothing. He could have enjoyed his weekend. He could have been at the bar doing nothing, but having fun. Instead he decided to do live reaction videos. So not live, he wouldn't go live. He had, he took the video, then he posted it on Twitter. He posted the video of Marcus smart missing and Derek White hitting the shot of him like being happy and then being like, Holy shit. He, Derek White got this in time, mixed in there his boy, boyfriend. Just my boy. All right. I just want to get it right. We're about to be in pride month. We're about to be in pride month. Okay. All right. Something I was curious. I was hoping it was a random sneaks the softest, most sensual kiss on max's ear. It was like the

tiniest, littlest kiss. It was the kiss. It was the kiss. You, you, you kiss before you get your dick sucked. That's what the kiss was. And uh, not only does max have that kiss happen, but then he posted the video again, no need to post anything. Uh, and it will live in lore of this show forever. PFT. When you saw it, I mean, your reaction was probably the same as that. Like I, I watched it. I stayed up. There's little moments where like, I talk about being tired because of my kids, but when I have to actually like break it down, I'm not tired because of my kids. I'm tired because max gets centrally kissed by his boy at 1130 at night. And then I stay up till 130 reading all the replies and people roasting max. That's why I'm really tired. That's the

problem. So first of all, what was max doing even filming himself for this? Like, I agree with you. I'm glad that it happened. Max is not, he's not a heat fan. He's just trying to claw back a little tiny bit of self-respect after having to shave his face because Hank beat him. So he starts live streaming. He's not live streaming. He takes the video and he's getting his loser stench all over the heat. I was so fucking mad at max for putting his loserness and the entire Philly sports fan thing onto the Miami heat. Completely fucked everything up at the end. He had no business doing that. I'm glad. Again, I'm glad. What happened tonight. I'm glad he did. So tonight we had a little word on the part of my take text thread before the game. Thank you yet. And thank you, Max. I asked Max

to start rooting for the Celtics because I can't have him rooting for Miami. I need him rooting for the Celtics in order to fully support our friend Jake in the Miami heat. And yeah, maybe my $10,000. I almost said the B word investment that I had. But Max, it was, I just couldn't believe what I saw. I was like, why is Max? Why is Max doing this? Why is the all time unforced error? Yeah, putting that up. But again, I'm very glad that it happened. Yes. And Max did do a phenomenal job of being a Celtics fan tonight. His last tweet tonight was damn thought we had it always next year. Hashtag Boston Celtics, which I don't think I've ever seen anyone hashtag the entire team name. But hold on. Time out. Time out. I'm going to take a Eric Spolstra time out where he

just walks on the court and demands a timeout, which I is the most power move of all time. I realized what just happened here. Hank just did a really good job of deflecting what was going to be the sadness of Hank on the max, which I'm happy we took that detour. But why don't we go back to Hank? I do after, after me, I need to hear from Max. I need to hear about the next morning or like when it's set in that, you know, he took a video of his boy kissing him on the cheek. Did you know the kiss happened? I don't think I knew that the kiss happened. It was it was very soft. It was a very, very sensual. It was a very soft kiss. Yeah. It was like, babe, let's get a new burn. Get out of here. Number one. I don't really know why

I was taking those videos. I think in the moment I was like, I saw it. It had the makings of an epic Boston collapse and like part of that made it made it feel like it was going to be a win for me. And I was like, I need to capture this moment of, of this, of this win. Like I don't get these often. And then it would have gotten it. It wasn't your team. I know. No, but, but they're, yeah, I know. So big of a loser you are. Max, Max is to Hank as big cat is to Aaron Rodgers. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. You were trying, but you can't celebrate until the banners raised. I know. And then I took that video and I can't even tell you if I remember the kiss or not. Oh, you'll never forget that. So then, yeah, walk me through the next morning.

Yeah. What did the guy say? No, I mean, when did you realize instantly what you were done? It started to blow up and I was like, do you understand like what you just did? And he was, and he's like the guy in my friend group who's just always, he's just the big guy. He's always kissing you. Yeah. Oh, he's just always doing. He's like jerking you off like doing weird shit. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That guy. Yeah. Yeah, he's that guy. Yeah. But I had to post a video. It was a funny video. I didn't have to post a video. What did he say after? Did he explain the kiss? Did he say anything? No, he like still hasn't given me an explanation for why he did it. I think

he just saw that I was recording and kissed. And then like it was like, it'll be so funny if I, if I, in his mind, ruined this video with a kiss. And he did. He made the video. Yeah, but he did the opposite. Yeah. In your eyes, he did the opposite. Oh, he's a hero. Like I want him on the show. I want to talk to him. I want to kiss you. I want to just, like, how much reasonably does he like, does he do well? At all? What? Like, does he do well in his profession? Yeah. He's great residential real estate. Okay. But I'm asking, like, like, what, what do P.F.D. and I have to put up to have him just walk behind you and kiss you all the time? That's a good question. I'd have to. Mid six figs?

Have you ever kissed him back? Obviously not. I didn't even. Well, no, that's not obvious. That is not obvious. Wait, wait, wait, wait. This is the first time they've ever kissed you? It also makes it worse that he looks so much similar to me, but just a better look. Much better eyebrows. Yeah. His eyebrows are insane. He gets those eyebrows done. Yeah. Yeah. I'll put that out there to the world. He gets those eyebrows professional. You can tell. First thing I noticed before the kiss. It's just got great props. We should go back to Hank though for a second. Yeah, no, we should go back to him for a long time. I've got some. I do have some questions for you. Yes, I do, too. Hank, would you have rather gotten swept or lost game seven in

heartbreaking fashion at home after thinking that you were about to win game seven and complete really like the the Red Sox, how long is it? Super Bowl twenty eight three, like the Boston triple crown of comebacks. I would have rather lost game seven. Okay. I'll go question. Hank, do you regret any of your actions notably being silent during losses in a cocky asshole during wins? No, that's I mean, this is just that's that's fan fiction made up by you. I've never been on every stream. I think the fans I've done every stream. I've answered on every single podcast. I'm happy when they win. I'm sad when they lose with that. If that's wrong, I don't want to be right. I know what you want me to say. Sad slash mute. What does that mean? Was I sad slash mute

tonight? No, because you knew the fire was on. You knew you had to show up. We did that in the stream early. Next follow up question. That was a bias question. Objection. Objection. That wasn't biased. I was just asking a question. It's just a factor fiction. The leading question. Your words permitted are higher after women after loss. Leading question. Yeah. Okay. Where do the Celtics go from here? Because I'll just throw a couple of things out there. Al Horford is old. Yep. Great, great player, great career. But you saw it like in the series. You didn't know some nights he just was old. And then he would all of a sudden Al Horford has this incredible knack of like being like 25 year old Al Horford when he would he block Jimmy Butler at the rim? Like insane

shit. Al Horford is old. Jaylen Brown does not know how to triple. I don't know if that's something he's going to learn. And then I mean Jason Tatum, obviously I think Jason Tatum probably smells the best coming out of this run just because he did have moments where he was the alpha and he did get injured in this game. But where do you go? And Marcus Smart. I don't know. Do you keep rolling out the same thing year after year and not getting over the hump? Yeah. I mean the Jaylen Brown thing is interesting just because the super max like if they give them super max and you know him and Tatum will be by far the most like paid two players in the whole league. He can't dribble. That was tonight when Tatum gets injured. You kind of need Jaylen Brown to go off. He tried. He took a lot

of shots. He didn't make a lot of them. And yeah, he was just a lot of turnovers, a lot of turnovers. He's so young. That's just the super max thing is where it gets complicated. I think you explore. I think there's some exploring that has to be done. Okay. Coaching. I think you have to look at the roster. I don't think you touch Tatum. I really don't think you touch Jaylen Brown. But if you know they can figure something out. Do you think he learns how to dribble eventually? Because this did happen last year too. It did happen last year. The free throws happened last year. The free throws happened this year. I that's what's tough when you're this young of a team. But it's almost like the early you know the magic with with Shaq and Penny. It's like why would you

split him up just because they're so young like they're so young. They went to the finals. They went to the Eastern Conference finals. They went to game seven. Obviously two disappointing years, but you're in a weird blow it up with two NBA all star players that are like both under 26. No, you're in a weird spot because the Celtics, if you roll out the Celtics exactly the same, they're still a top five team in the NBA. I think that's confidently you can say that. They have two incredibly talented young guys, but there does feel like it's like running into a brick wall a little bit without at least some tweaks to the roster. Yeah. Yeah. Switching a coach to that obviously. Yeah. It's the same coach. Who knows. That would be the fourth different

coach in four years, though. And at some point you got to be like maybe it's the players, although he obviously didn't get fired. Well, he did. But that was weird. He would still be the coach if he could just not fuck. Right. So if the Celtics had come back, taking game seven, gotten to the finals and had a respectable showing in the finals like one, two games against the Nuggets, there would be chatter about keeping Missoula. They're making the decision for you. You're going to fire Missoula this offseason. So that's that's kind of a win right there. I don't know. I think Brad likes them. Yeah. And I so Missoula has been obviously criticized a lot. But if you actually put up his resume next to Eme Odoca, it's not that dissimilar. Like they went,

I think what the Celtics last year, they swept the Nets in the first round, then they went seven, then they went seven, and then they got, they lost in the finals. I mean, this year obviously they went six in the first round, but they seven and seven, they came up short tonight. But it wasn't like, I think, I think what Missoula won more regular season games. I'm just saying like, if you look at it just objectively, both resumes, they're very similar and the team is obviously very, very talented. So maybe he's the fall guy. I don't know. Well, I'm looking at it like Ryan Day, Urban Meyer is Joe Missoula. So I don't think you could like, if Eme Odoca is coaching this team, I think that they win the series. I don't think that that's unreasonable to say that he's worth

at least one extra game in a playoff series like this. Although Missoula got him back from down 3.0. Like that also happened, right? Like that, I think that if they got swept, it's a no-brainer because it felt like if they had given up in game four and it's like clearly this is not working, but to be that close to history, like he did something right in the last three games. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, they did win three games in a row. Like I think it's not as kind of dry, obviously as it would have been. But I still think like the way especially that they looked like they were giving up at the end of game three was bad. That's a position where like a good coach can at least drag effort out of guys in a game three when you're looking like you're about to go

down 3.0 in a series that you should win, that you're a big time favorite to win. I think a decent coach at least gets some effort out of those guys at the time. Just saying like if I were Hank, I would want to fire him. Yeah. So Hank, if you're Brad Stevens, you are Brad Stevens for a day. What do you do? I explore. You just spend the whole day exploring like Max on the Jersey Shore on a Saturday night. Yeah. Just explore. Yeah. I started trying to connect some dots, see what pieces, what we can do. If there's a good move, you make it, but you don't have to force anything. I don't think they don't have to force anything. Like you said, if they come back. Yeah, they're a top five team. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's a weird spot to be in if you're like,

know that you have a chance to be competing for titles, but also know that something is a little off, that something needs to change a little bit to get over that hump. It's got to make shots. Yeah. It's a maker-miss league. I have a couple more questions for Hank. Do you have a couple more PFT? You have any more for Hank? Yeah. Yeah. I've got a couple more. Okay. Go ahead. Okay. Hank, do you think that Jimmy Butler is Michael Jordan's son? No, but not a secret child. Maybe. I mean, anything's possible, I guess. Okay. Yeah. Okay. So it's possible. So you're not saying anything is 0% chance. No. Okay. So there's a chance. Billy just perked up. Billy's gonna be like definitively yes. No, I was researching this over the weekend. There's some very interesting

pictures of his mother with Michael Jordan around nine months before his conception. There was pictures of his mother with Michael Jordan. Yeah. I see those pictures. Yeah, that was the craziest part. Okay. Did you find these in the same website that you saw pictures of Mother Teresa with Dr. Fauci? Let me just say, I haven't seen these pictures, but I'm going to trust you, Billy, at this one moment, at this juncture. What other questions you got for Hank? That was really the only last one that I had for him. Oh, yeah. Do you think that, do you think maybe you would have won this game if Jason Tatum had painted red paint onto his ankle after he hurt his ankle? No, I wish. I don't know what, you know, the difference between the NFL

and the NBA is, but Patrick Mahomes fucked his ankle up and he went into halftime and they juiced him up with some of the strongest shit ever. He came out and he was fine. I was hoping that at halftime, like that they were going to, you know, make that same call, get him that same juice and he looked more hurt in the second half than the first. I was really hoping for some halftime, like a miracle. Yeah. It is. Jimmy Butler did turn his ankle, like by my count, 700 times in the last five weeks. I don't know. Maybe Jason, like he did look very injured. I will say that, like you can't, you can't be like, oh, he looked fine and he just didn't show up. Like he looked injured. I just don't, we see sprained ankles a lot and it's game seven. Okay. That's what,

what's wrong with what I said? I don't, it sounds like you're trying to downplay the injury or say like, I'm just, it's game seven. Leave it all out on the floor. He literally did. I simply would have wanted it more. Yeah. I would have, I would have taped up my ankle and been like, I'm good to go. I think Jimmy Butler's ankle wanted it more than Jason Tatum's ankle. One thing about me and PFT, if we turn our ankle, we don't come out of a game seven. No, never. You would have to kill me. You would have to kill me like a race horse out there. Okay. Hank, my other questions, where's your sadness at right now? Give it to me. Out of 10. You've talked some shit. I have talked some shit. And like I said,

though, you know, I can't enjoy, you can't enjoy game six really. I would say it's probably in eight. Eight, eight out of 10. Yeah. I mean, the, first of all, you expect them in the beginning of the series to go a little championship. Like that's an expectation. And then obviously, you did have the quote that you went and scouted the Eastern conference second round semifinals, the nicks and the heat being like, how does, how, how do we lose to either of these teams? I said, it's hard not to watch these two teams and not think about the finals, which was fair. The game was trash. And so you expect to win the series before the series starts and you go down three nothing. And then when it's like, we can do this again, 28 to three, 2004 Red Sox,

2023 Celtics. This would be amazing. Max got kissed. This is going to be so funny. Like he did get kissed. It went, you know, it's a double, it's a double, it's a double sadness. What about, is there a feeling like, because you going into this game, you had the same feeling of like, you're going to do it because you've done it. Now the shine is off a little. Does it, does it give you hesitation next time you're trying to do something like this? No, no, no. So you're unflappable in that regard. Yeah. You got it. You got to fight. Okay. There's no loser creeping in your brain. No. Again, it'd be one thing if they lost or be one thing if, you know, they got like, they obviously got killed, but they got killed tonight.

They beat themselves. Like they did not play a game that you needed to play in game seven to win. Like it wasn't even like the heat, he just hit their shots. The Celtics missed everything. They had good, they had in the first half, they had way better opportunities and they just, they missed everything. Everything. You know, it's crazy. Just a little sabrametrics. It's been over four years since Hank's had a parade. Damn. It's a long last time. That's tough. That's tough. We should talk about the heat. We should give the heat some shine. And Jake, well, let's start with you, Jake. Yeah. So you got to be feeling very conflicted right now on one hand, the heat one and PFT won his bet. On the other hand, Hank lost and he's

your friend. So you kind of don't wish you had this, right? Nope. This is the perfect scenario. You know why? Why? Because the heat are in the NBA finals and the door's still open to play golf with Hank this month. Oh, spending a lot of time together throughout June. So it's a perfect world. So you should call him a loser. You're a loser. Oh, he gave him the point. He gave him the point. But you know what? Does that hurt? That hurt. We, it's perfect. We're going to be spending, we're going to be on the road a lot throughout June. Oh, look at that. Even better. This is great. Okay. We're going to be playing a lot of golf together and the heat still won. Jake is back. Jake is back. Perfect. You know what's awesome? Is that in this moment, Jake is being super extra

polite to Hank by saying, by trying to tell him, Hey, listen, we experienced all these wonderful times together, but Jake doesn't realize that Hank's going to hate that because you're going to be a reminder of how much you dominated in these entire playoffs. Yeah. Because like, they're going to go out in golf. Like, what do guys talk about when they golf? Sports, sports, NBA finals going on. What are we going to talk about? So it all worked out. Jake, did you shake his hand? Yeah. He actually initiated it. So that was good sportsmanship. Look at you. Yeah. Jake earned it. I mean, he had to battle off you and Max. That's not an easy thing to do. What? What was I doing? No, I'm talking, I'm talking with PFT. Oh,

my eyes are up here. You were looking at big. Yeah. You're looking at me. Sorry. Yeah. Yeah. No, he did have to battle off. Although Max put on a game seven performance to the edge. Are you upset at Max at all? No. Okay. Max, what do you think the fixes are for yourself? I can't describe again, it sucks because they lost, but the joy that that video brought me, just the fact that he posted it in the first place was just really gave me a lot of laughs on Sunday. Max, what are the fixes for your Celtics? First is stop talking about that video because Celtic's awesome. It doesn't matter. Okay. But you lost. So it's fine. First is you got to blow it up. How many times can you get close? I mean, as a Celtics fan, I cannot stand watching this team

get so close year after year and then falling short. It's bullshit. You didn't even shoot 40% from the field to game seven to go to the finals. Bullshit. I can tell Max is very upset. He's not wrong. So the blow it up part is wrong. I mean, you've got to do something. You've got to change something. This is Boston. We're about winning championships in Boston. All right. None of this. None of this close shit. Next year. We're supposed to title town, Max. We are supposed to be title town. That's the one thing about Boston. We're fucking title town, baby. It'd be so perfect if the Celtics listened to Max's advice and did some drastic moves, blew the team up, but made great moves and then came back and beat the fuck out of the six.

Yes. This guy knows ball thing. This guy knows ball. All right. So let's talk about the heat, though. That was, I mean, I for one thought the Celts were going to win game seven because like you can't have a more devastating game six ending and have it be three, three after you have all these chances to close it out. I did think though, when Spolster came to the press conference after game six and he was like, it actually sounded like, like the, like the dude online who's like trying to sell real estate or 10 X or whatever. We're like, you don't even believe this bullshit. He was like, it's just great competition. Like we look forward to being able to compete one more time as crazy as it sounds though. Like it was smart of him because you have to just essentially just

pretend none of that happened and go play game seven. Whereas like, I know personally, if I were the coach of the team that had just lost like that, it was three, three. I'd have been like, it's over. We're dead. We shouldn't even show up. Fuck this. Like this is all bullshit and cry into a little puddle and just melt away as all the reporters at try to ask me questions. Yeah. I mean, I mean, Spolster definitely deserves credit. I think they said that he's been to the final six of the last what 15 years. It's crazy in the NBA. It's crazy thing. Obviously, some of those were LeBron James and Dwayne Wade on your team, but he's, he's a great coach, but he, he gets some credit, but Caleb Martin gets most of the credit tonight. So Caleb Martin was just unreal. I think he was

the, he was the worst of the Martin twins, right? I think his brother got drafted. Caleb didn't, but then Caleb now is about to make like a hundred million dollars just based on the series. It's insane what he was able to do out there. One fun thing about him, because I know you used to watch his games when he was on. Yeah. He's a double wolf pack. He went to NC State. He was on their wolf pack. He went wolf pack to wolf pack in college. Yeah. He's awesome. He like, just remembering from watching those Nevada games, like I would bet on them and they would always make it thrilling in the fact that they would like be down and then they would just start raining threes and the Martin brothers would get going. He was incredible. He was the best player on the

court for long stretches of this game and the series. There was a moment where it was like legitimately Caleb Martin versus Derek White because Derek White did, he tried to wheel the Celtics back into this game. But yeah, the heat, I just don't, as much as you want to give them, I don't know how to give them the proper credit for, because at one point they kind of blew this, but to be able to get off the mat in game seven and have that kind of performance was incredible. Like they look so gassed. Jimmy looks so gassed. So like Derek White, at the beginning of this series, Jimmy was eating him alive. By game six, Derek White was completely shutting him down. He thought like, there's no way the heat are going to be able to win this game. And what they

showed tonight, heat culture, it is, it says thriving is thriving could be. There's never been a worse call than when I said heat culture was dead. Yeah. Very much alive. I just think that the heat are, you can't even, you don't need to say undrafted when talking about the heat anymore. They're just good. They've just got a lot of really good players. They developed the fuck out of them. Somehow they've got a great system in place for that. But they're just good. And they scare me a little bit as, you know, if you're, if you're watching the nuggets and you're rooting for the nuggets, which I think that we are, with the exception of our darling Jake, the heat should scare you. It's not about them being a fluke anymore. It's not about anything weird going on.

They're not getting like lucky breaks here and there, although obviously Tatum's injury on the first play of the game, that was a good break for the heat, but the heat are just a fucking good basketball team all around. And they've got guys that step up when their stars aren't playing well. And I'm, I'm a little bit afraid of the heat in the finals as a long time three year nuggets fan, they scare me just because they got, they got some bullshit going on. And they like, what was the stat we had it a while ago where they like the amount of games that they've won, being down 10 in these playoffs alone, I think eight or nine of them, like Duncan Robinson, even Duncan Robinson, that game six, he misses two wide open threes that could have

put the heat in the NBA finals. And then he comes back tonight and, and hit some big, big shots. Like the entire team is just completely unflappable and there's nothing that can bother them. And I, I do think it starts with Spoe and Jimmy Butler and Jimmy Butler did show up tonight where it looked like he had ran out of gas and he had one last push. And yeah, I mean, Jake, what, what did we miss the heater? Fucking good. It's true culture winning this game because Hank is, Hank is, is disgusted by this pretty much. Any other team, like you said, big cat, I don't know how you physically bounce back from as devastating as a loss as you experienced the game six. Look at the, uh, when the Ray Allen shot the next game, like the spurs fought,

but we knew the heat were winning that game. I really thought the Celtics were going to win this game just based off momentum, but that's culture. Culture. Spoe, Spoe. He right after they lost game six, he's like, we want to tip this thing off right now. Like, right. They were not backing down. I knew they wouldn't lay an egg, but I didn't expect this. Yeah. Hank. I mean, either culture and yeah, Tatum got hurt. Tatum got hurt. So did Jimmy. Why did the Celtics not have Kevin Millar, Bill Miller, Euclis, David Ortiz, Tim Wakefield, Johnny Damon. Why weren't all those guys sitting courtside for this year? Johnny Damon, was that a game or two ago? Yeah, that was a miss. I thought they were going to, they're going to roll not

two. I don't know if they weren't around or they couldn't make the trip, but do you think the game goes different if you and Dave are sitting on the wood? Cause Dave had 104 fever. So you couldn't make it to the game. You got to think that things go a little different. Yeah. You never know. You never know what you can do. Yeah. I'm on that floor. What was the text you sent to try to get on the wood? I didn't send a text to try and get on the wood. What was the text you sent to get on the wood? Was it a ha ha? No, I mean, me and Dave texted after games. We just texted after the game. And what would you say? We were like, wouldn't it be crazy if we went to game seven together? No, no, no. We only, we only texted after the game. It was like, that was crazy on real

wind, you know, back and forth, normal stuff. And then I was just, you know, hoping. You never know. Obviously I'm very grateful that I've gone once. I don't care if I never go again, but I was like, he's going to, if he goes, he's going to take someone, maybe text me. So I was just kind of like, you're like, Hey, you see Max and his boy, that could be us on the wood. Getting the phantom vibrates in my phone. Can you text me? At least he was, you know, he was sick, but that doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. Yeah, it doesn't matter. What if we kissed in the garden? Yeah. This could be us. He sent him a meme of Max and his boy. No, I hope I mean, I hope Dave feels better that that that does hurt. Yeah, we should, we should actually bring that

guy on for any, any like heartbreaking loss that guy should have to come on the show and give the kiss of death to one of us. Technically, the Celtics have yet to win a game since that kiss has been posted. That is true. It's a fair point. Kiss of death for, for, I mean, I guess as a Celtics fan, it would be the kiss of death for myself. Now you're getting confused. All right. This is like when I tried to be LeBron James Stan for like a week and it just goes against every fiber of your being. All right. So we do have Nuggets coach Michael Malone coming up. We're going to talk a little basketball with him. NBA finals is set. Heat Nuggets. I'm very excited. I think it's going to be an awesome series pump for this. I know that the ratings police are going to be so mad. They

also are going to be mad about the Stanley Cup final, which we have the nights, the Vegas nights going up against the Florida Panthers. No overlap, by the way, for Heat and Panthers. What do you mean? The Stanley Cup and the NBA finals, not one day overlap. So it's okay. That was important. I was worried for a second. Well, for South Florida, it's very important. I was worried. I was worried. Yeah. No, that's a good point. Brooks. Brooks is going to be able to get all the names. No double hunters. Yeah. He's going nuts. Yeah. I, so we did put in the synopsis on Friday. I wrote it like one in the morning and I was like Stanley Cup final set. Heard a lot of people being like, not true. So thank you to the Vegas nights for showing up tonight and winning six to nothing.

And it was never a doubt. So we had almost like it was crazy because as the stars went tonight, we would have had another 3 0 comeback game seven, but the nights were too good. And they said, fuck this, we're done with this shit. Stop fucking around. Yeah. I mean, the nights, the nights are a fun team for root four. I love how much the city of Las Vegas just straight up embraced them right off the bat. They became like an institution in Vegas. Yeah. Year one. Mark Davis goes to the games, hits behind the ice, puts on his white suit. He looks fantastic. The two cities with maybe the most cocaine done per capita, Vegas, Miami, playing against each other in Stanley Cup. Brooks will, Brooks will

be on his best behavior. That didn't have anything to do with the previous sentence, just saying that Brooks will be on his best behavior. And Alec Martinez, our guy, we become night's fans for a week and look at that. Look at them now. They're in Stanley Cup final. Hey, we were just looking at your phone for nothing. What are you just scrolling? What were you doing? Let us know. See something, say something. I saw something say something. I just was I saw something. You say something. I didn't see anything. I saw a stat that I said that it was the game seven stat. What was it? Bruins and Celtics post loss game sevens at home to eight seed Florida team. Is that true? Who roots for them? Jake Marsh, your daddy.

The Celtics beat the heat last year in game seven. What are you going to? What are you going to get Jake for Father's Day? Nothing. You should. You should get him something. I won't. You should. He's got to win a fucking championship. Okay. Or else it means nothing. Oh, okay. That. Don't be careful with that. It's true. Yeah. I got two chances against the kiss video that we want to live forever in two weeks. Yeah. So we got to be careful with that talk. Okay. Kiss video has got to stay. I mean, it's staying. It doesn't matter. We're never forgetting that. No. No. It's our 9 11. That actually it overshadowed the last second shot. No. Yes. My my Sunday again, like it doesn't this really like hurts because I was really,

really looking forward to the Celtics winning and then really, really being able to lay into it. But my Sunday morning, you know, I was like, Oh, I'll do some, you know, move some stuff in Saturday, move some stuff in Sunday. I spent all Sunday morning just switching back and forth between Derek White, like all the different angles and all the different heat reactions and then just Max's video, like for a solid three hours. I was just sending it to random people like friends and family just been like, so you got to understand Max our producer and I would just send him the video. I don't think it was that funny if you don't know the whole backstory, but I still was like, you got to see this, watch this. Yeah, the posting it was really just the posting it,

like you took the video and then posted it. Yeah, it was the rare video at one in the morning. I almost woke up my wife to show her. I didn't but I was like this close. It was like, you can't believe what Max just did. You know what the max serves a very valuable purpose when he does something like that. I was I was looking for anybody to be mad at. I was looking for a reason why that last shot went in because it was just such a ridiculous last play that it leaves everybody in stun silence watching. But the second that I saw that Max put that video up, I was like, okay, yeah, that's that's the guy that that's the bag. During my scapegoat, you were a great scapegoat for that. Happy to be here. Who's the bad guy? Okay, let's do who's back in the week and then

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PMT Coors Light get the Coors Light it's summer season baby it's hot Coors Light will cool you down ice cold Coors Light. Okay who's back in the week Hank? I have a couple my first one is Cinderella okay this is in college baseball Tulane finished the regular season 15 and 39 and then they won the AAC conference tournament they're going to the tournament NCAA. You know who loves Tulane? Don't don't say it too soon but that's it you know let's usually hear that in basketball but it's always 15 and 39 15 and 39 yeah holy fuck who'd they beat in the championship I don't know what they're probably gonna play like rice or something oh maybe you know maybe shock the world that's insane 15 and 39 is pretty fucking crazy that's a bad team yeah that's a really bad

team uh then my other who's back of the week uh shots this is a little PSA or like something I feel like we've talked about before but with the with the move Chicago me and PFT were out and I do truly you know meaning a lot of AWLs everyone's saying welcome to Chicago after Chicago a lot of people were also you know buying coming over with shots and I personally met a point in my life where like I try and just not even drink liquor when I'm out but I feel bad because people are just you know it's a nice gesture and I appreciate the gesture but I think I'm just gonna have to start turning them down or if people want to buy a shot just buy a shot and we'll cheers and you take it but I feel bad turning them down but I also just don't I can't

be drinking 10 shots a night you just yeah go ahead my rule of thumb is no shots that has started to go sideways since I've been in Chicago because I've been on a little more kick for the last couple days and uh I my my rule is I will not be taking shots that other people buy from me of Malort any longer it's not happening I can't I can't keep up this pace that I'm on right now it tastes like the devil's come it's awful it does taste like gasoline it tastes like if somebody threw up gasoline and then redrank it that's what malort tastes like I'm still I will buy myself some malort occasionally as a treat but I have to set a hard and fast rule because it's quickly getting out of hand I will not be drinking any more shots of malort

that people buy from me I can't do it I'll be dead within a month yeah I think I've told this story but the Cardinals Steelers Super Bowl we had one of our friends try to drink an entire bottle of malort and he did before halftime and then like during it might have been like right it's actually right during like the uh uh run back I missed that run back live because they were like hey where is he and then I found him in my room and he had just started puking up malort in my room and I it like I smelled it for like six months it was the worst thing I can still I can still smell it on the roof of my mouth yeah it stays with you for so long it honestly feels like a drink that somebody made up as a joke yeah yeah as a dare uh Hank that's a good rule I've had a rule for

it's been like eight years now never I'll never take a a free shot from anyone because of that like I it actually was at Declan's for the Oshi game the USA versus Russia game at fucking seven in the morning I had to be peeled off of Welles Street because I took so many free shots so just if you make it a if you make it a rule it's no hurt feelings right that's the thing and I do appreciate it it's just awkward when they come over like here's a shot and I'm like I don't really want this but I also don't you know I don't want to seem like an asshole but that's that's kind of what I'm getting at it's just a hard and fast rule because you can't break it either like I don't someone tries to buy me a shot say hey thank you so much I appreciate it I don't take shots

yeah buy a shot for yourself we'll cheers yeah we had one more rule yeah buy billy shots closed bottles and cans only what do you think you're gonna get roofied by a stooley I got QB sneaked once what do you mean it's a long time ago but course lights only the worst one I ever got was a shard bomb you ever guys get shard bombed no some dude came up to me um there's a bar called river shannon in in Chicago I don't know if it's still there and was like dude big cat shard bomb and he just handed me a glass of chardonnay and we had to chug it and I just went right outside and puked my guts out so no shard bombs either I thought people were just walking up to you and sharding shard bomb I mean the problem is you have to get you have to do the shard bomb once

because it when someone says hey shard bomb that's a cool name and you're like a glass of fucking white wine okay how bad could it be really bad that's the uh the bachelorette party version of icing your bro shard bomb I had to I had to respect the ingenuity of a shard bomb but never again never you just say bomb after anything yeah right you have to chug it yeah dude remember you got poutine bombed like vagus bombs at brunch we're just I don't even know it was like it was a red bull and orange juice vodka like yeah okay I'll take a bomb sure uh all right good who's back no more shots pft great who's back Hank uh my who's back of the week is live golf who because live golf is tweaking the rule format that they have they are now instituting

relegation and promotion in live golf league a hell yeah which is great so what they what they're doing is they're having players that finish between 25th and 44th fourth uh they will be in the open zone becoming free agents where they can move between teams or leave live golf if essentially live golf just invented the pga tour so you're not like guaranteed a spot on live golf other players can play well and then get moved up into live they invented qualification school uh are we worried about our fourth ace what's his name again Hank don't jake don't jake it's like p h row or something you lie you line peter you line yeah are we worried about our fourth ace no he's actually probably top top one of the better aces oh he is so you take him over what other what what ace would

you take him over maybe pat pares okay and Dustin johnson and bubba okay okay so power rank your aces uh dj number one he's the goat great guy uh dj bubba you line papares i guess oh wow okay uh all right my who's back is deandre hopkins free agent deandre hopkins got cut what team is gonna take him uh that was a nice little nfl is still king when deandre hopkins got got cut i think it was like friday uh what do you think pft where is he gonna go i mean ravens i mean he was rumored the patrists were talking to him that everyone i hate how it now has become like any really good player gets cut or is like on the block and they're like chiefs he'll take less and you know it's probably true yeah it's i would love to see him on the bill is actually yeah yeah it'd be sick i mean but i'm

just happy for for hopkins like this is his super bowl getting cut from the cardinals must be awesome if you're a good player and you get to just pick where you want to end up next like he's he's left two of the most unstable franchises in the past four years those are two great days that he has when he finds out that he's leaving the texans he's fucking pumped then he finds out that he's leaving the cardinals he's probably psyched about that too i'm just happy for him yeah the cardinals are going to be bad bad like really because i it is one of those you just keep forgetting that kyler murray is not going to be starting the year you know what this sounds like to me i bet you the cowboys are going to make their fans believe that they're in the hopkins running until like the very

last second and then he's going to sign with the bills yeah and i it would be funny if he went to the ravens although lamar jackson like is that too much too fast you know like the you never want to be the guy who's like i never have helped i never have helped then you have so much help then it's all on you yeah it's great to have an excuse an excuse he won't have anything left at that point but the margex is already saying things publicly like i'm going to be passing the ball a lot more than i'm going to be running it so he's setting himself up to have like everybody look at him and say well maybe maybe the problem might have been you at some times here more whereas in the past he was the most sympathetic guy in the nfl he wasn't getting a big contract his mom was working

as his agent and he had absolutely no help at wide receiver as his tradition for the ravens i just i it would be weird to watch a ravens game and see them have outstanding wide receivers all across the field it wouldn't feel right i also just revealed myself as not having that dog that made because i know that lamar jackson and the ravens probably don't think that way where i'm like thinking about it if i were lamar jackson like whoa let's not get so much help that then i can be blamed you never want to be in that spot where you can't make at least one excuse that would suck you gotta at least leave yourself an excuse in life yeah something going wrong absolutely and they would have they would have none i i would just i would love to see him on

the bills i think bill's super bowl if they get deandre hopkins yeah um all right billy billy's wearing sunglasses for some reason their usa sunglasses some more indoors it's actually not oh two more minutes two more minutes you got it billy just got real banged up this weekend yeah there was a moment where we were having a healthy debate in the kitchen and i felt like i was just arguing with the south park character because billy was getting aggro with his sunglasses on he's like it's fucking memorial day bro art imitates life um our old sword snager uh he's back if you remember derrick yeah that's the other way around just let him go he's cooking hold up hold up let billy cook wait what i say life imitates art so no art imitates life

anyway oh i guess because you are imitating yeah yeah i did that on part of art yeah got it uh so derrick for more plates more dates who uh was the one that exposed liver king for being on steroids actually he should come on the show you yeah yes yeah asking about ozempic i will and then uh so he i know i know it's co-host great too yeah yeah yeah uh basically arnold started talking about his steroid use for the first time and talked about his cycle and basically he wasn't on that much steroids compared to a lot of guys today in bodybuilding which just goes to show that he is the goat okay so not as much steroids yeah which just shows that according to him yeah but he had a uh derrick confirmed that this makes sense according to like what it was rumored to but everyone thought

that it was impossible that he could have done it like that got it so he's still the goat okay and the taliban wait taliban's back why they literally invaded iran uh by the way it's uh midnight so take the glasses off nope why because it's fucking america okay but it's not memorial yeah i'm still gonna wear my american flag now it's stolen no i can wear american flag sunglasses this is america wait what did uh the taliban do they're just acting up shit they just getting invaded around kind of talban they they do get a little wild sometimes they just kind of they get a little bored and then they get fucking wild yeah they they they go away they pop up they're like herpes yeah i think it's just five years a little flare up i think it's just like the nature

it's kind of like uh the taliban's kind of like being on a bachelor party at all times we're like you know if you're on a bachelor party for long enough you get bad ideas like hey let's go do this i mean we think about it dudes hanging out all day doing like muscle the ultimate bro trip yeah don't think about bringing your chick yeah and then eventually you can only watch your guys like do a bunch of pull-ups in the desert you gotta eventually go do something about it yeah they just they hang out they bro out together probably play a lot of cards shoot guns mm-hmm just guys being dudes yeah and they're like hey why don't we just go invade iran was it iran yeah but the worst part is they now just got like a bunch of stuff around them like you know when your buddies just start using

excavators and like going to construction sites when they're just bored and like they start trying to use heavy equipment and heavy machinery well imagine that with like us military equipment that just left and now wait how how often does that happen the first part of that you know when your buddies get drunk and it's like a college campus and then there's like like excavators actually i do i actually do i actually i actually know exactly what you're talking about imagine that with like humvees yeah yeah okay tanks no it's it we all were in college at one point and if there was a fucking you know huge backhoe sitting in the in the middle of the street at two in the morning yeah i tried to climb it like a drunk 19 year old is really no different

than a three year old going down the street and seeing an awesome backhoe and just stopping and staring i'd be like that kicks ass yeah let me get on that thing uh all right jake you're who's back and then we're gonna get to the michael malone and big j uh my who's back is lacrosse big weekend of lacrosse noter day men northwestern women national champions and the pll season is here oh hell yes billy and i will be heading to training camp in albany later this week opening weekend for the pll and a huge announcement last week the league is shifting to home cities next year yes in 2024 so the water dogs need a permanent home yeah if paul rable's gonna come on the show in the next week or so if he doesn't give the water dogs chicago we riot i think we just

actually we just i think we just kidnap him and keep him in this hot fucking studio and just like beat him up are you guys gonna stop really haven't jake we might yes this is a throwback to last year when billy picked tgi friday is over over like a staple deli because of a booth people were forgetting people forgetting it was also friday oh yeah so that is true that i mean i was like it is friday jake let's go to tgi friday yeah also in the name we've just been playing lacrosse all day and i really just wanted someone to just come up to me with a big cup of ice water and just keep refilling it we we did this yeah yeah and you wanted the booth yeah yeah so stay tuned for some content and albany our friend dukes will be joining us will be there thursday friday is he

in a wheelchair he might be he's on crutches okay it's gonna be electric duke's a great a great case for never doing anything athletic past the age of like 23 crippled duke's yeah he broke his ankle in an alumni lacrosse that's like you're you're just it's there's no glory in it you're just only going out to just break the you basically i mean pfd when you play in your rugby game like you're essentially just playing hoping you don't get injured that's the only win no it's to me the feeling of playing an alumni rugby game when i unretire every year is the exact same feeling that i get when i make a ten thousand dollar bet that ends up winning one thousand dollars so like at the end of the game if i if i walk off the field at my own power

not in an ambulance i'm like okay that was an awesome game i'm so happy to do that but yeah you should not you it's really the dumbest thing ever because somebody in those games whether it's lacrosse uh rugby any sort of like high contact sport some old guy always gets like devastatingly injured in that and then they have to go back to their real job and there's nothing worse i mean at bar so you can get away with a lot and it's not the exact same but if you go back into a real office job and you're in like a sling with black eyes and a broken nose then people are like what is this person they're not this is not a serious individual wait billy do you have a black eye right now no okay no he doesn't i thought for a second maybe that was why he's right in the

i'm actually ashamed i don't and that's why we're not who the fuck comes back for moral day weekend without a black eye pussies that's who also shout out noter dame they won the national lacrosse championship d1 they beat uh duke 13 to 8 yeah who won the women's there's no way to know there's no way to want no wait one second well no jake said shout out no today man north wester yeah okay all right let's get to our interviews we have coach mike malone uh and then big j ocherson uh first quick add summer is here and without warm weather it's time for you uh it's time you deserve to look and feel your best all the time thanks to our friends at hymns men now have simpler more affordable access to the prescriptions products

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denver nuggets michael malone thank you so much for joining us coach uh we wanted to give the nuggets they're you know they're shine because there's been a lot of talk about the media not giving the nuggets their shine so we thought having you all would be great so first of all congrats on the sweep and my first question is what do you think about lebron potentially retiring first off it's great to be all with you guys i have uh i have a tremendous coaching staff who are all big fans of your show your podcast and when they heard i had a chance to go on they said coach you gotta do it uh big cat pft you're great guys you're gonna have a fun time so thanks for having me on yeah as far as the lake your sweep yeah i really can't comment

on your first question so all right so my real first question uh because that was not the real first question is way more important uh you have nine days rest now is this going to be the best your voice ever has sounded before game one and how quickly are you gonna lose your voice when you get into the NBA finals in game one yeah there's no doubt my my voice is gonna have plenty of time to get some rest and uh come game one hopefully uh in Denver next thursday uh it'll be ready to go and probably by halftime we'll be a little bit hoarse but uh our guys are used to it been here for eight it's crazy been here for eight years now and to be a part of a team in a franchise this has gotten better and better and better gotten healthier allowed us to get to this point

it's been a it's been a real fun ride to this point but we're not satisfied yeah it really has been awesome watching your team for especially the last three years or so um i i saw it was about three years ago i remember i was watching you guys play and i was like if they can if they can get all healthy at the same time this is a team that can win an NBA championship they've got the talent on the team it's about lining up the health of of uh murray and and porter and getting some nice pieces around because they've got a stud in yokich and they're prime they play a fun entertaining style basketball if people are i know there's a lot of ratings talk already out there if you like watching fun basketball you should love watching this nuggetstein play because they're

very entertaining was there a time though over the last few years where you just weren't sure that the health of all your guys was going to line up to a point where it was going to turn you guys into a contender well yeah i go back to you right after we traded for Aaron Gordon about three years ago whenever it was and shortly after that trade deadline we played the clippers in LA and we were fully healthy at that point they were fully healthy and we went in there and won that game and Aaron Gordon's impact the defense on kawaii and after that game i know for me i said if we can stay healthy we got a chance to win it this year unfortunately as we all know shortly thereafter jamal suffered his acl injury and uh and then the following year michael porter missed 73

games but the last time we were our core was fully healthy was the bubble and we made it to the western conference finals and we lost to the lakers and so you know if you want to achieve something great you have to go through failure and and i think our guys like every other great team and player in the past we've gone through adverse adversity and i think being healthy uh staying together having tremendous ownership in front office that have remained patient have allowed us to be in this position but i knew once we got back being healthy adding a few pieces like kcp like bruce brown drafting well we'd be back in the western conference finals fighting for our first appearance in the nba finals and that's what we've been able to do to this point yeah it was

it was a great moment watching after after the sweep was concluded and you're walking off the court and the yokich brothers come up to you and they start tossing you around like a bag of potato chips is that is that something where they they approach you and you're like i have to let them do whatever they want because they're intimidating me right now and they're the yokiches and they get full rain no you know it was really more about like love and like i've gone over Serbia so many times and i spend so much time in the off season not just with necola but with nemyna and strahina and their parents and uh so we've we've created a very close bond and so when i went off the court to find them to hug them they came running down i said oh what's about to happen and as you mentioned

out next thing you know i was being thrown in the air and i can honestly say that's the first time it's ever happened but a really cool moment i've had so many people send me that video but i think it just speaks to the bond that i have with the entire yokich family had a big hug with jamal murray's father roger uh we've been with these guys so much and we spend so much time with them not just on the court but off the court i remember one year i flew to toronto to go with jamal murray to a cleveland cavalier uh toronto raptor playoff game just so he could feel what it was like and now all these years later jamal murray averages 32 points a game in the western conference finals and is a huge part of us getting to our first nba finals it must also be nice having

the yokich brothers just you know relatively courtside at a lot of games so you don't have to have an enforcer on the court all the time you just got the big serbian boys standing up just staring daggers at the other team and at the refs and you just pointed them they're like yeah listen to these guys please well it's great to know i got two security guards i got my back at all times and i can remember nicole's rookie season i think we were playing phoenix and tyson channel and nicole got into it and out of the corner of my eye i see this very large object moving at a high rate of speed down towards the court and one of his brothers was about to run onto the court and handle the business for tyson channel thankfully security got to him

before that happened but they are passionate they love their brother they love the nuggets and thankfully i'm on their good side yeah so i know that i know they're in my corner which is great to know it's an incredible story yokich specifically he is the best basketball player in the world uh i'm confident in saying that you've been with him pretty much from the beginning here was there a point where you saw it because you can't you know people were like oh we knew he was going to be this guy they're lying he was a second round draft pick you know he had to get in better shape and learn the game a little bit more but was there what was the point where you're like okay this guy his ceiling is best basketball player in the world well i agree i think he is the best basketball

player and i think he's proving it every single night and you know i go back my first summer in denver it was also nicole's first summer and we went to las vegas for summer league and not not one point in time in vegas did i say hey we have a franchise player you know it was just just no one saw that to your point but as we got into his rookie season and he lost some weight gotten shape we had some injuries we played a game in san antonio with tim duncan still playing and nicole went out there and put up like 25 points 13 rebounds seven or eight assists and that's been for me like the light bulb kind of went wait a minute he just did this against one of the greatest players of all time one of the most well coached teams and best coaches in NBA history

and greg popovich we may have something special here and it really kind of i think a defining moment for our franchise was year two and reinserting him back into the starting lineup as our starting center and our our trajectory from that point in time just took off our offense took off he became the focal point of everything that we did because his innate ability to make everyone around him better yeah and the fact that he takes the most joy in making plays for others you know we have kind of we identified that and the rest has been history to this point it really is like so much fun watching him play because of what you just said where even if he's not scoring you can see the impact he has on the other defense where everyone's collapsing and he's getting guys open and he's

has his fingerprints over every possession whether he's scoring or not are there times like i would imagine as a coach are there times where you're just like hey just go figure something out like you're the best player in the world like don't even drop a play like i know you got this like you're gonna get it you get get the ball bring up the ball everyone's gonna collapse you find someone or you score like you can do everything do you do you ever say like no play just go do it well yeah i mean sometimes that best play is just get the ball to necola yeah and then to your point through his IQ and unselfishness you know he's going to make the right play whether or not we make this shot whatever it doesn't matter like you know you're gonna get the right look and i think

a great example of that was in game three against the lakers fourth quarter and he grabs the clipboard before i get in there and he says listen means you're all gonna play this two-man game you are three guys just get out of the way be ready and let us play our game and we did it like five or six straight possessions and pulled away from the lakers so uh and that's one thing i have to say about necola that in the eight years that he continues to get more comfortable with is being more vocal being a leader using his voice to in those moments not not keep it within but what do you have to say because you're out there we all trust you and um so that's just one of many examples where hey man i know in this situation we're gonna get the ball to necola in the low post in the high

post on the elbow on the wing and let him make a play like he's done time and time again yeah yeah there are there's some haters out there a good friend of our show kirk goldsbury he wrote a scathing article i didn't read the entire thing i read like the first paragraph and then i clicked it because i knew it was fake news about about his defense and about how he gives up a lot of easy layups we told him to his face he was wrong he's a numbers guy we're eyeball guys we know ball we knew that that those plays that highlight reel wasn't telling the full story do you read any of the naysayers out there about him does he read the naysayers and if so do you guys use that as motivation or are you guys just completely locked in on what you're doing so you know i learned you

know i'm the son of a coach my father's in the nba for many years and he was in detroit with chuck daily and the bad boys and one thing he learned from chuck daily was don't listen to the radio don't watch tv and don't read the newspaper and now in today's nba and his social media it's don't look at anything because something negative is being said about you at all times no matter what you're doing what level you're playing at or you're winning at a high level people are going to find something to attack and i i did see the article because one of the coaches showed it to me because they were so upset and the whole premise of the article was one game against san Antonio and yacob pertle and how nicole is not a good defender and we have no chance

of winning at a high level because of that yeah well we're starting the finals on thursday so i think that we've shown and nicole has shown that he can be a good enough defender and we as a team can be a good enough defender and in eight years i think we've taken some of that perceived disrespect if you will and used it as motivation i think this year for the first time that i've ever been with nicole i do think the negative negativity around the mvp narrative became somewhat of a distraction and was very negative and i think it really turned him off and a lot of other people off for you know i can't speak for you guys in that matter but so i think there are times that we use it as motivation but at the same time we have to spend as much energy as possible in trying

to win the nba finals now try to win a championship and if we're worried about all the other things that's going to distract us from concentrating on the task at hand we're just trying to win a series i like that we're in the finals take that for data yeah and i did take away and beats mvp this year so uh personally as a show yokiches are now our mvp we vote on the mvp after the playoffs start that's just how the show always works yeah that way we can never be wrong about our mvp and people can never rub that in our face and be like well what they do in the playoffs right we wait till after the playoffs are over whoever wins the championship that's we give a team mvp yeah right now it's the nuggets uh i i had one more question about about yokich

specifically about in-game management for him he tends to get his arms cut more easily than any player and maybe nba history it always looks like after the first quarter he's been handling feral cats he's gotten scratched up with blood everywhere do you have a cut guy that's that's on retainer that just is assigned to nicole his arms no that's a good idea that we might have to hire somebody because uh whether it's boston or miami we know those cuts are going to be even that much worse but no it kind of reminds me of the scene in rocky like cut me nick you need somebody to help him out so uh nicole is a warrior man the guy and people always talk about his lack of athleticism but like but they don't remember is okay game four against the lakers he played 45 and a half minutes you

know there's a game against portland a four overtime game a few years ago where i played him 63 minutes and he's able to like he's got you know maybe he's like secretary he's big into horses he can run for days he may not jump over people but his conditioning is at an elite level and uh you're right he looks like he's been through a war every time he comes into locker room after a game yeah speaking of horses has he gotten you on a horse when you've gone to servia yeah i was uh well first off his brothers were pissed off because they never get the he's never given his brothers the opportunity to go on the on the horse and so they were really like insulted that he allowed me to go but it was it was like a practice day for the horse and so we went to the

track it was me nicole the horse and their trainer and obviously i'm sitting in i don't know what you call it the buggy the thing behind it there's that kind of a horse you don't sit on the horse and he was like coach just take it nice and easy this is like a warm up i'm like okay and i get on the horse and all of a sudden i think i'm like been hurt i'm like whipping the range let's go so we come around the first time he's yelling i mean coach slow down you're going too fast and then i went one more lap even faster and he was really mad because coach you're never riding my horse again so i did it one time you can't take it you can't take it away from me yeah yeah you got it that one time um so the other you know your your team has been playing so well

as a team but jamal murray specifically has been out of this world good uh there was a story that came out recently that when he tours acl he actually asked you like is this mean i'm like done with the nuggets and you like walk me through your swatching him tears acl and having to deal with like all right we're missing this guy he hasn't been able to reach his full potential and how you mentally were able to get him build him back up to a point where he could have easily won the mvp of the western carpets finals he's been that electric and he also is now getting like the the superstar playoff kind of treatment where we saw him in the bubble we see him this year like he shows up for these big big moments he does he lives for those moments and you know you reference

that the night that game happened was against golden state in san francisco he tears his acl we stayed over that night and then next morning we're on the bus going to the airport and i'm sitting next to him and we're having a conversation and you could just see the the fear the dejection and like you know what what just happened and more importantly what's about to happen and you know when he said to me coach like are you guys going to trade me that that really hit me and it was an emotional conversation because of you know everything we have gone through together and where we were at and i just tried to reassure him in that moment and every day after that no like we're we're not thinking of you as damaged goods you're our guy and not only are

you going to come back from this injury jamal you're going to come back a better player you're going to attack your rehab you're going to come back stronger better and i think he's proven that and and i think this year the biggest game of the season for me and jamal's confidence and getting back to that level was we played i think uh portland on december 8th and jamal hits the game winner over jeremy grant and you could see almost like him take a deep breath and remind him so hey i'm a really good basketball player i went through a really long journey getting back to this point and there were some dark days in that journey and coming back from the acl injury but uh he attacked it and all we tried to do as an organization all i tried to do as a head coach was support him

and show him how much we loved him not rush him back a lot of people wanted him to come back last year in the playoffs you know is he ready is he not and i wasn't going to push him you know i wanted him to feel really comfortable about stepping back on that court and that happened this year and uh to your point you know nicole was amazing in the western conference finals he won mvp but you can make a great case as well for jamal 32 points a game in a four game sweep and he has 30 points in the first half of game three and in game two we had 23 points in the fourth quarter alone to allow us to win that game so uh just thankful that he's back healthy and a really good place mentally and that's a great story because i think um when it comes to the the

building of these teams and injuries and everything that goes into it as fans we sit there and we're like well what the heck like it's actually we have a joke here adrian peterson ruined acl injuries for everyone because the running back he came back in like eight months and so now anyone gets injured and we're like what the hell why aren't they back but the the mental side of sports and being able to keep your guys mentally in it when they're not maybe participating on the on the court that's got to be a tough part of the the coaching job that people don't really see well it is and i'm glad you brought that up because one thing we did last year for jamal to you know because it was really hard for him to be at practice and have to sit there and watch

everybody else playing the game he loves that's like torture hey man come watch this practice you can't touch of all i'll do anything but like be there and be a good teammate man that sucks yeah but so we try to do we try to get him involved in the process and so every game we play in a regular season we do the same thing the playoffs we watch a personnel edit so we're getting ready to play miami so one of our coaches will take our team through a personnel edit talk about each of their players their tendencies what their strengths are so we started having jamal do that last season jamal you present to our team and it was just a way to keep him involved where okay i can't play the game but i can still try to help my guys out i can you know come in

and sit in on a coaches meeting and so trying to do things like that just to keep a young man who's going through a really tough time just keeping him mentally engaged and letting him know you're not playing right now but you're still a part of this like you're still going to be a part of this moving forward and i do think that helped him kind of getting through that that really tough year all of last season yeah yeah that's fantastic it must be tough for a guy that's that much of a competitor to have to sit back and watch everything and now you're talking about like keep strategies keeping your team together keeping players focused when they're not playing you have a pretty significant layoff uh we don't know who you're going to be playing in the finals we don't know how long

the heat celtic series is going to go what's your strategy right now in terms of rest versus rust do you have guys competing in practice do you have simulated scrimmages are you giving the guys time off just to recuperate how are you handling the layoff between now and the finals yeah i mean we had a we we met for a while as a staff yesterday so the first day back was a complete blackout day we got really back late from LA uh yesterday was a a player development treatments lift kind of a day we're gonna get on the floor here in a little bit uh and we don't know who playing yet so the next three or four days are going to be just about the Denver Nuggets you know kind of cleaning up all the things for the first we're 12 and three so far so after 15 games one of the things that we have

to clean up offensively defensively special situations whatever it may be and then at whatever point in time we finally know who our opponent is we we know we'll have three or four days to get ready for game one to prepare for their personnel and their plays and the walkthrough and what our game plan is going to be we're meeting as a staff every day talking about both Miami and Boston just to get ready for each team or what they present but it's a challenge because we played every other day our guys are in peak conditioning and in a rhythm right now and then all of a sudden you take that away and that's our biggest challenge how do we maintain our conditioning how do we maintain our rhythm while not playing games and it's it's hard to do when I was assisted in Cleveland

when we had the same situation we swept around uh first round we swept the second round and our next opponent had both gone to a seven games so we had like an eight nine day layoff for both of those and I think it affected us kind of getting into the Eastern Conference Finals but uh our guys will be ready I have no doubt about that yeah so you talked about Cleveland you you've had an incredible career in basketball you've been around some great players you also were with the Warriors before they became the championship Warriors uh is there any like parallels in watching Steph Curry when he was at the beginning of his career being like he was kind of similar Yolkich where he was obviously great in college basketball made a tournament run with Davidson

but no one thought he was going to be what he is did you see it you know when you're watching him in practice and being like yeah this guy is special he's going to be one of the best players in basketball well yeah because with Steph you know you getting to know him you you realized okay this guy the character I mean just a tremendously high character young man uh tremendous work ethic the guy every day had a routine routine discipline worked on his game before and after every practice and you knew he had a skill I mean his ability to shoot the ball was just as Yubi Brown said many years ago shooting makes up for a multitude of sins and one thing Steph Curry can do is shoot and score the basketball as we've all come to see in the year since they won all those championships

and then you draft a guy like Clay Thompson and then we drafted a guy like Draymond Green and Harrison Barnes and you can see the makings of something special I wound up leaving there to go to Sacramento to be the head coach but when I left to go there you know my second year in Golden State we upset Denver in the first round and we gave San Antonio a hell of a series in the second round so you saw all the makings of a team that had championship DNA and obviously as they continue to add to that you know those three or four core guys you know the rest has been history and obviously they've been almost like a dynasty these last 10 years yeah so I made the comparison in I think it was a week ago or so uh that Steph and Yokic even though they don't obviously play

the same position they're very different in how they play uh they are similar in the fact that a defense the the the like orbit of the defense the gravity of the defense always collapses on them and opens up everything else do you see the same thing where it's like these guys even if they're not making shots it's it's everything that comes around it that the defense has to prepare for that makes them so special yeah I think the truly defining characteristic of a great player is the one that makes his teammates better and obviously Steph to your point you know he's gonna attract the crowd every night two sometimes three defenders and I think his playmaking and unselfishness is somewhat underrated we all talk about Steph Curry as a shooter and a score one of the probably the

greatest shooter in NBA history but he also has the ability to make those around him better I've often used the analogy and you know I'd be curious to see if you guys find this funny or you see it I think uh LeBron James and Nicola Jokic are very very similar and when and the eye test you say hell no like one's a great athlete freakish and the other guy can't jump over the sunday newspaper but to get away from that both those guys they're IQ they're unselfishness their ability to make everyone better and impact the game rebounding scoring playmaking and just making timely plays and seeing things before everybody else sees them and having coached LeBron for five years and now Nicola for eight those two guys I think are incredibly similar once you get past the

obvious athleticism that's that's really interesting the one thing that I would agree with on that they both will make passes and you see it in football sometimes a quarterback throws a pass before the receivers open Jokic and LeBron both make the pass they start passing the ball before their guys even open to receive the pass they truly do see that before it ever happens yeah no they do I mean that that's that's a great thing about like some guys are playing checkers out there and then you have a few guys that play chess and see things developing and guys understand pretty quickly when they first come to our team first time playing with Nicola hey you better have your head on the swivel because if you're open he's gonna find you and sometimes guys are running

through the lane they get hitting the back of the head and he yells at him hey be ready to catch the ball because I'm gonna find you when you're open so that's the best part about playing with him the guy is so unselfish he just wants to win doesn't care about the he's almost embarrassed by the attention at times and he's just such a selfless superstar and feel very very fortunate to have an opportunity coach a guy who's like that I like the analogy too just because when LeBron and Jokic both get the ball at the top of the key the defense is already kind of screwed because they can do everything and it's like you don't there's nothing you can really do to stop whatever their next thing is because they could go to the hoop they can hit a fade away they could pass they

get everyone claps on them that like spot is already has bent the defense in a place they don't want to be yeah it's and for me like most games I'll start off the first player of the game we're gonna post up Nicola because I want to see what the other team's game plan is and they everybody's got a choice to make are you gonna play Nicola straight up or are you gonna double team him and he's he like LeBron has seen every conceivable defense that you can imagine and the one thing you love about Nicola like after I think it was game one against the Lakers we're up 1-0 and everybody talked about the Lakers they're in a great place they're down 1-0 but they had Rui had you more regard Nicola and it went really well yeah and you know we got a kick out of that because one we

were up 1-0 and no one was talking about that and Nicola like and Rui had you more is the hell of a young player and he had a tremendous Western Conference finals but like no one figures out Nicola right he's seeing everything like he's had the defensive player of the year type players draped all over him and he's gonna find a way to beat you whether it's scoring or finding the open man for Jamal for Michael for KCP whoever it is to make the shot so yeah when Nicola has the ball in that low post on that elbow that that defense has a decision to make and Nicola is going to make the right read every time yeah there's usually no no correct decision yeah hope that he screws it up somehow which he and hope so yeah yeah hope they hope they miss a shot that's the

defense that they have to play sometimes uh I have two question well it's a it's a two-part question but I feel like every championship team has to have an x factor to win and that might just be a term we make up in the media of an x factor which one of these x factors is more important to your team the altitude or rocky the mascot being able to drain half court shots on top of a 50 foot ladder throwing the ball over his head no doubt rocky I mean you know it's funny before I got here they told me a story it was like maybe the season opener rocky was being like coming he was repelling down to the floor yes they had the spotlight on him yeah and ladies and gentlemen here comes the world's most famous mascot and then something happened where as he's coming down rocky passes out his body

has slipped but yeah so rocky is definitely important but I think you can see it on the other team's face when they come to Denver and they play in this altitude that first quarter you can see guys huffing and puffing and it's something from Doug Moe the greatest coach in nuggets history his team's back on the day trying to outscore you getting up and down I got a great message from Dan Histle the other day one of the all-time greats in Denver nugget history saying hey just run the Lakers off the floor keep running keep running keep running because we do have an advantage built into our city but I can never discount the importance of rocky yeah smart um before a game so before game one do you get nervous we we have uh we've had Danny Hurley on a bunch and he you know

during the Yukon's run we were talking he drinks urine before the game which is intimidates everyone else but he also said that he has to like get in a zen moment where he doesn't he doesn't want to be so mad about the referees or something before the game that he has to like shut off all the lights and give himself a moment what's your pregame routine or you do you do you get the butterflies is the game's about to tip off well first thing I got a question and I know Danny and Bobby and obviously uh we have a ton of respect for their family St. Anthony's guys I'm a seat and hold prep guy via New York uh but I just who's urine is he drinking is it his own or something hopefully his own yeah well it's it's it's a it's a mushroom you know that yeah well it's a mushroom tea that looks

like piss and we told him he should just go with it and be like yeah I'm drinking piss before the game because listen it's like the the old saying like never getting a fight with a guy's got nothing to lose if you see the other coach drinking piss before a game you're you're in trouble you definitely are so I don't drink piss or anything okay noted noted hey but but it did work for him he had a hell of a season so congrats to uh to you to kind of Danny Hurley but um you know what haven't done it for as long as they have been you know I I don't get I'm so locked into my pregame routine and getting ready and doing my notes and my ato plays and uh preparing that like and then you know like as you get ready for the jump ball I'm sorry we know we've done our job we've prepared our guys we're ready

for whatever comes our way but I can't say I get nervous you know like where my heart is being out of my chest it's um and I don't think the NBA finals will be any different but I've never been there as the head coach I was there as an assistant coach one time but um when you work hard and you're detailed and you're prepared you know you kind of let the let the chips fall where they may after that yeah all right uh thank you coach I have one last question yeah the roback question promo code take for 20 off first purchase roback.com rhobc.com hoodies polos q zips shorts joggers everything shorts are back roback.com use promo code take so my last question coach and this has been fantastic we loved having you on uh you had a quote so yokich has had

eight triple doubles in these playoffs he's been out of this world averaging a triple double and you had a quote saying there's no stat padding there like he's doing it and it's not like something that we're you know orchestrating so walk me through game six of the suns when you're up 20 with two three minutes left and yokich is still on the court because he only has nine rebounds walk me through that decision. Hey I said he doesn't stat pet I stat pet for him I keep him out there so we can get those marks you know it's funny you say that uh somebody asked me a question and then I was walking out of the press room after that game and uh the guy who asked me the question came up to me goes you know what I agree these playoffs Nicole's been unbelievable he goes but one one

rebound in the phoenix sun series I have to say he did stat pet yeah it is great because you're right you're right he is not stat padding he's been unbelievable but there is that one game where you were you were up 20 and the suns were dead and he was still in there with three minutes left and I was like huh and then he got his rebound he got pulled yeah I think he got a rebound another assist and he got taken out like 20 seconds later. Well you know it's funny about it like uh I get these questions after like a big game and there's always gonna be some guy saying to me coach you're up 25 but three minutes ago you still had your starters in and like that's what they focus on right for me maybe it's like being around the game as long as I have been and probably to the detriment at times

I always have fear that somebody's going to come back and make a run with the three-point landing and so and then I got home yesterday and I got two daughters a senior who just graduated should be a freshman of college next year and a sophomore who'll be a junior next year and they came over to me laughing and there was this meme and it says uh this is uh Mike Malone when his team was up 30 and somebody doesn't hustle down the court and it was a guy a coach throwing a chair across the court and they and they said and like one of the titles is that bro is always angry so I can smile and have a good time with you guys yeah yeah no I listen we we love the nuggets we're very pro nuggets podcast we've been rooting for you for a while I do I do want to say it was a

from a personal standpoint it was a questionable decision to not play kcp the entire fourth quarter of game two what was going on with that some of us were very interested in kcp getting one more anything in the stat column and he didn't play him the entire fourth quarter coach zero minutes in the fourth quarter and the best thing about that is if you see kcp in the fourth quarter when he's not in he's the first guy off the bench he's he's cheering on Bruce Brown who played for him in that fourth quarter and like after that game I think it was the same game where Jeff Green and Bruce played the whole fourth quarter and kcp and Aaron Gordon did not and that group that was out there just was playing at such a high level defending scoring and we

pulled away so you just gave a participation trophy on his bet well no thank you thank you for your apology that's all I was looking for listen I'm not making this personal the apology was well received I appreciate that if high fives counted as points you would have won that bet so pft help me out so pft stands for uh it stands for pro football talk okay our pretty effing thick so when are we gonna change it to pbt pro basketball yeah if the nuggets win i'll be pbt in the finals yeah you're here here we go we know in the nine in the finals i will be pnt commenter yeah and then yesterday the guys told me oh you're gonna love these guys they're awesome big cat i'm like andrew scholar i got a podcast like so now i have a much better awareness of you

guys the podcast and i will definitely be tuning in i i actually used to so i used to do uh hit uh for the bears in chicago on fox chicago at like seven a.m on monday's after their games and there's a big cat uh james williams who used to play for the bears and so when i showed up the first time the people were like wait you're not like a six seven black guy what's going on here so i it happens every now and then i'm yeah but andrew scholar galeraga legend of the game legend legend no doubt yeah well coach best of luck we're rooting for you we appreciate you coming on and we gotta you're now a recurring guest so anytime we want you on you have to come on i i can't wait i will definitely be on with you guys again looking forward to appreciate the time and the opportunity and

appreciate all your support love the love to hear that this is a pro nuggets podcast we appreciate that there's not many of them out there so thanks a lot yeah absolutely all right see you coach michael malone was brought to you by our great friends at the barstool store don't overthink your father's day gift remember your dad's richer than you don't try to buy him something expensive either already has it or you're gonna make yourself look financially irresponsible and stupid lose lose it's father's day coming up so hanks gonna be getting jake a great present and he's gonna get it at the barstool sports store maybe a maybe a hemi butler t-shirt that would be a nice present for jake the stuff that we have is cost effective it's going to make your dad feel like

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i gotta respect the the the smith machine the weightlifting rack yeah you haven't even noticed the the the best part about it is you're sitting on a couch that is being held up by pink cans is it really yeah so be careful uh with any sudden movements also this is velour so i assume any like part that's scratchy is semen yes yes exactly exactly well so thank you for coming on man you are very very accomplished funny comedian we've thought be great to have you on you also a sports fan yeah big sports day for philly yeah rivers out ski yeah so um if you look right there to your left max our producer uh he's actually getting people are saying he looks like you right now because he's got a sole patch uh he had to get the sole patch because the sixers lost the celtics oh that

was the thing yeah are you a sixers fan you just thought they were gonna win no he's uh unfortunately a sixers fan yeah yeah yeah do you feel like getting rid of doc that's gonna that's gonna cure anything i think it's good like you had to get rid of doc it's the first move yeah i don't know at this point this might just me be me talking angry shit because they're they lost but i think maybe mb could go to with this yeah doesn't have that dog yeah i don't think he's uh he's gonna be a winner yeah yeah he's awesome i mean he's an unbelievable talent and that's my favorite like our show is basically built on being like you know the dumbest sports fans and that i would imagine as being called into every philly radio station right now being like he's not a winner

he's a loser guy who just won the mvp yeah he's not i don't think he's a loser it's the wrong word i don't i just don't think he's like uh he doesn't have that fight like you said he won't put the he can't lead that team yeah but he doesn't make anybody else better it's been a while since we had the championship dna conversation i don't know if he has championship dna he gives off little karsten wintz vibes yes but i'm also uh that's the meanest thing you can say about someone ever i know i know that was that was over the line i'll admit that i'm almost thinking for philly the personality of philly sports i say a straight up for jammer ant yeah oh i like that philly can handle uh a problematic like alan iver he's like alan iverson anyway to me yeah like the way he plays

and his off course if there was social media when alan iverson was playing he'd have flashed a gun yes for sure yeah he got caught with guns like all the time yeah and he would just get in trouble but there's no video right there wasn't like a tiktoks of him like singing and waving it around it is we were talking about it the other day but it's just insane that jammer ant like the one rule is just don't take your gun out during an instagram live it's very easy actually yeah you'd have thought he would have like figured it out after the first one but it does now make funny like all of the you know when he has to do a sit down wearing like a turtleneck and be like that's not me that's not the person i am and i don't you know kids are watching and i know that and he was so like uh

and then you know what is it a month later yeah yeah well it was a little longer than two months let's give him some great it's been three days now so we can say today it's been three days since job rent has last showed a firearm yeah social media they had to erase that board yeah days without incident yeah let's celebrate the progress on this one uh i was reading a little bit about your history and the way that you came up through the scene did you you were you got started doing stand-up when you were in college is that right no oh yeah i guess so i was in college for like a month or two and then i tried to open mic and i did good enough that it gave me an excuse to quit college yeah i love it it wasn't a good excuse actually burt christier on his podcast

we had one of the funniest moments of like self-realization maybe sometimes i feel like we hang on to something we thought when we were younger and it has never really been challenged and i used to always tell the story of starting comment i told this to burt on his podcast once i was like i started doing comedy i dropped out of college uh immediately it was just community college anyway and my uh my parents were all pissed off and uh they got furious and i said that i eventually got my family to get behind me just in the sense of i had a speech with them and i was like you know this is i'm a quitter by nature and uh if i having a backup plan i'll bail on this but i think i want to try doing this so you know if i can go back to school in a couple years if this

isn't working out good um but right now i gotta put all my eggs into this basket and burt just started cackling and goes you could have done both and he's absolutely right yeah absolutely i just didn't care for school yeah so any excuse to get out of it would have been fine for me but it's a good origin it's like bill gates did bill gates drop out of college no yeah kobi kobi yeah kobi yeah all these guys didn't go to college yeah kairi yeah everything yana yeah all these guys daryl Dawkins it makes sense though it's like uh you know burn the boats you know you don't have if you don't leave yourself a backup option right but it was young enough i mean i was doing calm when you first start if you're getting up once a week it's fantastic yeah and these things are always

at night and they're not over too late and these are all things i could have just gone to the three classes i was taking right do a ten minute set yeah remember the first i gotta have to put all my eggs in this basket well i mean that is true if you want to be a real comedian you have to like wake up at three o'clock in the afternoon right yeah yeah yeah live that life yeah drink a beer to get rid of the shakes yeah um my first i don't remember the first joke i ever told but i know my first like said i ever wrote was all it's such an interesting thing starting i started 19 so when you're that young you don't realize i think until you get older like you need some life experience to right talk about so when i first started i

thought i was being a genius too i was just like jerry springer shows crazy what's with marie povitch living with your mom's nuts you're just you're just doing the greatest hits of skipping school and staying home yeah what's with the prices right yeah you guys think you'd rock planko what's going on there i remember it was uh was it eddie murphy that that was talking about kind of that same thing right what you know and his first set was just about taking a shit yeah because he was like 14 years old and that's that's the entire life experience that he had was his shitting well it's kind of funny you know eddie murphy is such a good example because you know he lives on those two specials and not to take anything away from them they were hits and they were both great and

they hit me when i was younger but as someone who's been doing it so long now like i see the 19 year old because he was 19 and delirious right so like i see that all over it now do you know i mean at the time he was like older than me when i saw it and i thought he was like a seasoned and he was but like the material itself's not really like anything like like it doesn't really give you any insight into him yeah he does a a long sit on like you know what if this old tv star but fuck this tv star i mean that place and then like the one long story about the barbeque yeah the rocky story like don't don't mess with a white guy after you just saw rocky and then raw yeah raw was in his early 20s so yeah it's funny like i almost you know because he's always threatening to

come back and do comedy again and then it doesn't work out and then i think the reason always comes out he's like well where could i like possibly work out new jokes when i'm like so famous right you could i think he's worried like he i don't know if his skill level on that particular thing stand up has like changed but he hasn't done it in 30 years yeah he'd be pretty rocky and from everything we've talked about with with comedians it really is you have to do it every day like you yeah all you could do is disappoint right yeah that's true that is true you can't really do anything it's gonna make you go oh wow right where you left off right right yeah the bar is already so you left the bar so high you can't just show up now guys i want to go see creed three in the theater

the other day he's gotta move up with a rocky movie so you also uh you were you were security for escorts is that right yeah i mean that's a wild i mean everyone you you have the look like anyone who's been on maybe not escorts but like a bachelor party and you hire a stripper you usually walk in the door yeah they were relying on that look it didn't really ask me about any of my defensive skills or and the look you know i guess usually would work i try to use my mind in that i job more like where you know there is somebody somebody in the ladder here has given a credit card number to somebody right because uh you know that's just how it works so like reminding them of that driving escorts that were just escorts was actually weirdly seedier because you just drive and like

you wait outside of some weird house and then some girl goes in and then comes out and then has to have a conversation with you like like you know right she's like sorry i was late i had to queef out some cum sorry were you waiting long uh yeah the other ones were like uh you'd go and they were like strippers also so like you'd go and they would like dance and some of them were in escorts but uh some of them like what it was pretty gross yeah i mean it is like a the look i think is 95% of the job because you walk in and it's a bunch of dudes in a bachelor party and they just need to have someone who they're like oh he could probably fuck me up yeah sometimes it would be like something like the north philadelphia with like 15 like uh young black dudes

and me where they're good so it's like you know you gotta be like hey guys rap music right you should try to like relate hey look at my fooboo sneakers i'm sure you had some while so you were doing that and stand up at the same time yeah i thought it was a good way to like make money and not have to like put too much work in also fat and secure kid that i definitely thought i was like oh and these hot shit like one i'm gonna get paid to watch these girls get naked basically yeah and then uh and then they're probably gonna be all horned up probably take a shot at me shot the title on the way home now it was you go it was mostly depressing and then the ride home was them you know telling me their long-term plan of getting their children back from the government

or yeah finally going to get away from this guy that beats them up yeah okay well here we are yeah good luck yeah time to go get gang banged by guys in ocean city let's put a pin in this conversation about your child being taken by the government let's go do this gang bang in ocean city new jersey yeah well did you use your own car for that or was it a company car own car would it smell like afterwards was there because you anyone that's ever had a stripper come to their house there's a distinct stripper smell yeah maybe i don't really remember that i said i was definitely in the beginning i didn't do it very very long i shouldn't say i did it for several years but very on and off so i would do it like six weekends in

a row or something and then i'd be like you know get away from it and then like you'd lose sort of that company and but there was a time where you could just go on the yellow pages and anything that was like you know you look for it's like bills creepy entertainment or yeah some name it just made sense that it was going to be strippers yep and you can call and be like hey i'm a driver i've done this before and i mean with no back check they'll be like go pick up these three girls they sound like not a murder i did it one time in new york only and it was uh it's sort of like a different system i think here than it was in philadelphia i picked up i told us on mark marins thing years ago but i picked up these it was three girls

and the plan in new york they just have you get girls in the car and then just wait for something to roll in you know you wait for a call to come in oh so yeah you're like an uber sitting there i mean no one got a job of these girls and thank god that would have been its own problem yeah one of them mercifully didn't have a lazy eye one of the three uh and and then they're just listening to them compare notes over how to get this one old man off that everybody gets called to and just it was really like uh it was pretty creepy and then just sitting in a car double parked in time square for like four hours and then the guy was like yep guess nothing tonight no work did you get paid and then no no no that's the only the only night

i ever did it new york it was just one night i would imagine talking about life experience and how you started coming at 19 that's that's like the fastest way to get life experience to do a job like that yeah no for sure and also comedy itself because then you start traveling and opening for you kind of get like experience how it goes you know it's interesting like someone like pete davidson who's like so young but i mean he was thrust into life experience he definitely has things to talk about right right because of all those things but yeah at 19 all i knew was like my mom's house me and my friends go into an eagles game playing basketball and going to the mall yeah to try to talk to chicks so it really wasn't anything like uh i had nothing it was all tv shows

i've seen yeah movies i've watched yeah it's i was reading your bio it refers to you as a comics comic that seems like a good thing to be called would you consider yourself a comics comic i don't know i hope so i mean the people i always like like to watch i would describe like that would be patrice or atel or people like that when they went on stage geraldo when they went on stage the clubs like the comics all tried to like stop what they were doing and watch them and the staff so that's a cool thing but uh yeah it'll be also be good to be a people an audience's comic yeah as you say it's like a little sneaky diss in there where it's like yeah he is the funniest guy he just hasn't had like the like dane cook tour yeah i don't know if it's a i don't know if it's like

backhanded at all but like it definitely is such a funny yeah anyone they call a comics guy not that they're not successful people but they call comics comic is like they're a comics comic because no one else knows about right yeah the comics are aware but it said that you were on a tough crowd right yeah i did it once yeah that seemed that seems like maybe one of the funniest shows that nobody talks about these days i used to love watching collin quinn and the rotating panel that he would have on where are you from i'm from originally washington dc so i remember watching that show almost every night in college yeah it was the problem i mean it's great it was hilarious show i loved it but like i'd have to assume like the long term like issue with it was it was really

local new york comedy scene like heavy you know i mean like you had to know right they would say names like the the booker of the comedy seller like everyone knew who it was yeah right and they go you know how esti gets when she's in a bad mood booking the show yeah i assume people in like i were like what the fuck are they talking about it was very local yeah but it was i mean one of the funniest shows ever on tv yeah but so so your new special is dog belly you had a couple specials is this the one like i love by the way that you did on youtube i feel like comedians are starting to do that and we've you know we're friends with uh stav and he has his special out on youtube like what did you try to sell it and you're like no i want to do it on youtube because

i can make just as much money and more people will see it no i was trying to just have one of the streaming services pay for it outright just like produce it completely and then with all the quarantine stuff and like everything changing and i mean quite frankly it was like i had a couple like netflix and hbo were both supposed to come like watch me like run the hour to see if they were interested in picking it up and uh and then by the time after like quarantine me too and then black lives better happened and essentially in not so many words they were like yeah we can't just throw some straight white guy that no one really knows that well into the mix right here like there's nothing to sell it with so it kind of like then i got defeated and then david tell and and arish

if you were kind of like the two people were like let's just let's do it right do it yourself yeah and then uh easier said than done also it's crazy expensive to do yeah but like i do love the ownership of it and everything and it is pretty great but then we were like we're making high quality also so we can like try to sell it and then by the time it came like you know hey now's the time to like shop this around if we're gonna see if somebody wants to buy it i was like man it's gonna hurt more if i give them a finished product too and then they go this is great but no yeah so i was just like let's just give it let's just give it out uh for free and then you hope you know moves tickets yeah when you were watching the debut of it on youtube were you nervous were you

did you click into be like nobody's gonna watch this oh my god it was fun yeah it is that's the other thing with all the streaming services that must i've been on comedy central and netflix before and like you only just know by like reaction online yeah like social media uh interaction and like uh you know there's no with the stress over the numbers that when it's on youtube go like every hour and be like huh that was a slow hour yeah and then and now it's like you know even hits like i did great it's like 1.6 million i think it is uh in a month which is good i think we hit the million in five days that's almost the thing i hit the million in five days and now it's like 1.6 and you're like you seem to have hit a bit of a wall there uh so you don't know what's

gonna make people like jump back on it again yeah no matter how much promotion you put into it no matter how big you are i assume that everybody at every level has that moment where they click into and they're like what if nobody watches me yeah like i would definitely be thinking about that especially all the promotion i did like leading up to it and then like ari was great you know in the producing of it like the day it came out he made me just like five hours and text every celebrity or person i've met in my life some of them did it too which is pretty funny like hey lead singer of living color we're sort of we sort of know each other and he promoted it for me which i thought was really cool yeah that's always a shitty feeling to have to do like in the content

game to like ask other people to share because it's it is what makes kind of the world go around but it also like it never is fun to just be like hey you're my friend can you do this even though we're friends like please plug me also i don't have good karma on that i have a lot of people there like can you post this thing and i'll just be like mark as unread yeah right right right and then time comes for you and you're like shit yeah i probably should have replied yeah and then i'll be crappy i'm like can you believe so and so didn't answer the way i wouldn't know if you did not promote their special as well right or just like the week before your special comes out you just go back through all those messages and just do nothing but promote other people just knowing that you're

about to send that text out to yeah just build it all up oh i also uh i was listening to a show you're on it's probably a month ago you do a lot of cruises or you've done a lot of cruises yeah i'm fascinated with that what it's like to be a performer on a cruise because i've been on a cruise maybe once or twice um they're not the best they suck yeah i was good like it is very weird to them pretty quick yeah to be on vacation with everyone at the same time but from a performer's perspective like are you just watching the whole thing being like what is going on well it's funny whatever day however many days of cruises i feel like because i've done like the four and i think i've done three four and five days i've performed on and whether it's five or three the last day

you're like get me off this god damn thing right like if i can't look at this buffet or buffet people anymore yeah but i've never done like a cruise ship that was like thank god that's just the thing that it'd be a tail tuck for me because just what i do but if you do like a like carnival cruise lines or Norwegian cruise and you're on just the cruise as the comedian the rules are insane there's a comic like legendarily got helicoptered off the plane because he went into a girl's room like on the cruise ship they found that he went with like a customer right into the room they helicoptered him off the plane because it's such a rule break apparently right but the ones i've all done are chartered cruises so it could be carnival or norwegian but they're not involved

it's it's taken over by i think so i've done a ship rocked is the one i've done the most it's a heavy metal cruise ship so that's like god smack and all these bands that i've done it with so that and that's rule-less you can go back to anybody's room but the median weight of females on ship rocked i'd say is about me plus so it's not a real uh fuckfest but it is like there are no rules so it's not so bad in that regard because like and then also in your downtime uh you know you could go watch bands play all day long right pretty cool but i mean i assume and even that after a while like just like they suck you know i mean you go and you do them but like they wear that i've done the impractical jokers a couple times that's fun there's a bunch of friends on it there

so like the entertainment wise and stuff to do is better on those but still just after so many days yeah and if i was just on a cruise ship where the entertainment was like a share impersonator and like a comic who has to do cruise ships it would be yeah yeah so that sounds crazy they they helicoptered a guy off because you're not allowed to fraternize at all with the other people that are on the cruise you have to just like be by yourself or with the other performers yeah and you can hang out i think with like the staff that's from all over the globe right so like no one has a great grip on english they just know how to say washy washy and squirt your hands with hands i see i see you got the the x on your hand are you straight edge no that's that's almost like that's confusing that's like

stolen valor yeah straight edge people so confused i think the last little bit of ink was getting put into it when someone came up to me goes straight edge and i was like oh right no it's my show that's the bonfire logo and that's the mouth of the legionist gang's logo so that's what it's supposed to be but yes it does appear that i am straight edge yeah it does confuse people when i smoke pot yeah yeah i was gonna say i that's my pot smoking hand yeah so it's very confusing suck on that cm punk you started your own festival with skankfest which like that's i mean incredible like to to have the balls to be like hey let's get everyone together it's grown to such a huge level did you ever imagine that it would get to like the level that people are looking forward to

buying tickets right away to skankfest every year i didn't even think it was a good idea i thought it was going to be a failure of an idea um that's the vision of lewis jagome as he really like sees it you know he knows how to like him you know he got uh rebecca trent and christine evans who's my girlfriend for a long time now uh to kind of help him like and they're all three partners those are the three major partners of the festival and they put that thing together every year i'm just like a figurehead by like name it's you know my podcast uh it's kind of like the the focal point of it but yeah that's those guys i really i'm small potatoes in my visions when i did my first comedy central specials like 17 years into doing comedy i got that

and my agents reminded me the other day when we finished the second show that night i went to when i was like that was as far as i pictured in comedy i'm like i don't know what the next thing is yeah i said i wanted to do an hour special that everyone can see that's it yeah i'm like pack it up yeah it's over we're gonna get back to big j in a second he's brought to you by lifelock today there are more identity threats than you realize and even if you monitor credit and bank statements only a little personal information needs to leak out for identity thieves to make you their victim they can take over your investment accounts they can open new loans they can commit other crimes in your name and more all while pretending to be you

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nope i love broadcasting i really do yeah i really like i could do the bonfire with robert kelly now i did it for eight years with dan sodor who's a genius at that stuff um excuse me legionist skanks i have so many like broadcasts and that seems to scratch the same itches like stand up to me yeah acting and like sitting around reading other people's like funny words or whatever it doesn't really like i don't know i don't like it i feel like every time i've done acting i wasn't a movie hustlers and within those three days i was there long days but within that i got to watch jailo do like the dance she did in the movie which was insane cardi b was there at one point lizzo usher and of course jailo and with all of it i just i mean the 30 seconds or two minutes

of like actual filming i was a part of every day was not worth the just sitting right i still look at those days is like nightmarishly long sitting around doing nothing days yeah yeah so you were smart to drop out of college yeah yeah just sitting in class it wasn't my thing yeah it wasn't my thing what's uh i love asking comedians like what's the best underrated comedy city in america that you like to go because most comedians that you can maybe tell me i'm wrong they say miami sucks wow really does everybody say that yeah because i uh yeah miami sucks yeah what what why is that i don't know well for me it's because whatever reason that's just a city i just like don't draw like tickets in okay and then people show up for a comedy show and and it's mostly cubans

who want to hear you know cuban household parents are like this right and i don't have any of that in fact i go up there i'm like what's up cubans and then i start doing a mexican voice for them which they don't love i think people are just too hot in miami like like physically yeah i think you're right it's a city that does like they want to go party they want to interact they're not really into like sitting and observing like a thing so unless you again if i was drawing my own audience it's i mean i tampa it's like a great place for me yeah but they love hulk hogan right yeah i mean tampa like all the retired wrestlers living in tampa that's one of my favorite things about tampa it's so funny yeah i go on monday night you can go to hulk hogan's restaurant and it's just like

a bed you know what happened because i just had coconut shrimp with bruce the barber beef yeah yes yes there's something about tampa it's just like it's just so pure florida like people think of florida they think of miami i think tampa is the most florida of florida no it is because you get all of it it's the white trash the morbidly obese latinas walking around in uh short shorts and bathing suits i mean just confidence yeah yeah it's a it's a beautiful beautiful place it's a place that's why i would never live there florida is too humid for me to live my fat hoodie lifestyle all year round oh yeah tell me i mean i was actually wondering like have you been big j forever because that like i know personally like the bodega i go to around the corner from

my house like i'll walk out and there's a guy out there all the time who calls me big guy and i'm like that kind of hurts because i know he's not saying that to everyone you know what i mean like he's saying he's profiling me he's like big guy hey big man yeah so were you always big j hey yeah well the name came was funny the why that even sticks like in like comedy and like that i've just always used it was when i first started comedy i i switched schools senior year high school i went from philadelphia to south jersey for one year and my best friend that i became friends with that school's name was j also by the way six foot tall not little but he was uh he started dating a girl who was a kind of friends with the group so when

she would differentiate who she was she would say big j and little j he's still called little j by the way which is so funny yeah um but uh and that was it so then when i started doing comedy i started in the all black circuit and i saw the disregard for a comics last name by the host was very evident right away they really didn't so rather than have it get massacred all the time i was like i'll just be big j that's smart and then which worked out and then when i started getting uh into the more mainstream stuff like the mainstream clubs and everything i just put my last name on it but i kept big such a funny pompous thought because i have none i'm sure but i was like what about all my black circuit fans i don't want to not know who you know they see j ocherson they're not

going to know it's their favorite white comic yeah you don't want to turn you back on them yeah and it's funny at 45 getting the question because i always just like give like a a half hearted they're like what do you mean to say i bring a big j or just j ocherson i'm like yeah it's weird if you just if you say one or the other no big j please yeah don't fuck this up would you would you rather be like a slightly portly man like in big cat's example and have somebody be like what's up big dog or would you rather be uh someone who's evidently small like myself and be called like what's up big boy because for me whenever i get called like man i hate yeah that's the one way that you can really twist a knife it's like you don't you don't mean that

i don't it's funny i i have so many uh like internal aspirations to just go shopping at a mall and buy cool jeans and be smaller yeah but i also feel like there's like an identity loss in being like too small like one thing i've always not that i haven't had any problems or or people fucking with me physically in the world but i think it's just a little less of like that you know i mean i've also done just for like argument's sake squatted down and walked at a height of like a girl i know once and i was like what a terrifying world yeah right it looks like everybody's like looming over you when they talk and everything so it's like uh i guess i'd rather be like a bigger guy than a smaller guy yeah and you can't

be shredded like you can't die from small yeah that's true you can't yeah being like oh yeah you can't you know starve to death yeah small people do live longer that is just a fact like big dogs like i know like there's a there's a moment where my body will just be like you shouldn't have done all this yeah but then you also have those years where you're a very heavy problem for everybody that's true when you can't move so much you gotta carry a tank of something with you at all times connected to nose hoses yes yeah you can't get shredded though because that's not funny like there are no really good-looking comedians there's something i think there's really funny people that are they have to find it's almost that's like the harder thing is then you have to find

what's like like kitschy about you you can't just be like it's always been very easy for me to get pussy and i got a pretty awesome dick yeah right you're not gonna really really re-own anybody in with that one so the other thing is like uh being a big guy especially young that was such a funny thing me and patrice o'neill had in the beginning of my comedy because uh i as most fat comics will do too all my jokes in the beginning again because i had no limited life experience where i'm fat and this is what being fat's like and this is fat and i've done this fat thing uh and i guess patrice had a bunch of uh jokes like that too at the time uh like just being fat jokes and i remember we did a show at carolines here in new york one time at the late carolines now uh years ago and he

something it's a kind of telephone back to me that i looked up to patrice so much and they were like patrice says you're uh stealing his material and now that got me that frazzled me in so many ways because one i look up to him two i was hurt because i mean i know it's not true and also like but i'm like well how do i argue this like i don't want to be if i go argue this patrice like he's gonna win the argument he's like such a bigger personality and and funnier and there's all these like you know so i kind of ignored him for a while and i remember he gave me a call landline how long ago this was and his first word just goes i didn't say that you were stealing my jokes he explained that he was like i just said to somewhere i go by the time i get on

stage closing these shows these showcases i have nothing to talk about because jay is doing all fat guy stuff which made much more sense to me and then he said yeah he goes but i'm gonna like he goes but that shouldn't even have said that because he was like you could do with those jokes do him he's like i'm been doing this longer i should be i don't want to just do i got more to say than just like simple fat guy jokes and as soon as he said that i was like why don't want to just do simple fact yeah he's like yeah so i feel like that was such an important moment for me too to almost be like yeah i shouldn't rely because i don't want to be my eventually my thing be taken down by like a fat a fatter guy oh no a fat guy's going on before me i'm done there's another

up-and-coming fatter comedian you're fucked you're looking at like everyone who's doing the stand in the comedy cell you're like wait you're checking wait his bmi is okay his i'll know he's feeling too oh shoot we got a fat guy and then the anger when a guy who's like slightly chubby he's like being a big fat fuck like me i don't yeah i can't you can't take those you can't take that from us yeah that's interesting that sounds like a pretty cool thing for patrice to do to like have the ability to see that yeah he's not stealing material i'll call him i'll give him some words of encouragement because it got back to him yeah um he seems like a good guy and i always seem that it always seems like in comedy there's always going to be competition even if

they're your friends if they're your peers you're all ultimately competing against each other in the same way but i do think that now that there's more opportunities that's just not you know you get a special in comedy central you get a special in hbo now that there's more opportunities for you to put your own stuff out i do feel like from the comedians we've talked to it's become more like yeah you can't have friends like true friends that you root for no absolutely uh there's so many avenues and stuff too and i think also like that competition thing and i don't it's not a good i i wonder if that was more of a la thing new york i've always felt much more of a sense i i know i think it's changed now i think there's so much splintering with like there's like a woke comedy

scene or something like a whole different thing it's this crazy shit but uh in new york i felt because new york didn't really seem to be like the bulk of everybody was trying to become like a a sitcom actor or anything if you were doing that you were out in la and i think that uh competition but it manifested in a weirder way in la everyone was super nice to each other it seemed like very complimentary and no matter what you did kevin hart explained this to me once when he moved out there what the difference was and he used the example that if i uh started going hey guys i'm wearing uh i'm start wearing a half top on stage it's my new thing fact i'm a half top you know if i walked into the comedy cell or new york clubs like that there's five guys waiting to trash me

out of that for my own good to be like what the hell are you doing right you look like a moron like that's stupid in la because it's so competitive when they know it's a ridiculously shitty idea just in case that idea pops in some way they're like brilliant dude it's so brilliant you know because like you're drawing people you said brave it's whatever you know so it's more it sounded more supportive i feel like in that world but i've never like i said i have no acting movie star like tv heavy ambitions at all so like i feel no competition with any i i love comics i like bullshitting with them and and hanging out with them as much as possible i i do think though i've always thought the idea like you know how people the nba has become the

off season is almost more exciting than the season for some people where it's like the the trades and the who wants out if you could find someone who could like the wodes or the shams of the comedy scene yeah and being like this guy talks shit about this guy like this guy doesn't thinks he could should be headlining and not opening like yeah it would it would be fascinating to watch oh man if it yeah but it would be bad yeah i would assume it would be very bad very quickly well you know i think i can't speak on everybody but i feel like especially my friend groups there's like my opinion of someone's comedy does not ever affect my opinion of them as like a person you know i mean now the people that i choose to be like friends with

are people who like and ever years ago when i started even i kind of like catch shit for that because i was hanging out i was told by keith robinson who kind of mentored us do comedy with our like peers and wherever you can get stage time but kind of hang around the higher ups you know i mean the guys you like look up to kind of where you want to be and i would do that but then i would kind of like catch shit because when i was like a 10-year comic and it's like he hangs out every day with these like four five-year comics that are his friends that'd be like like lewis and david from legionist skanks and i'm like yeah well they make me laugh you know i mean i know they're like young comics and figuring out that but i was technically still a young comic you know

it was just a little longer than they were we talk about that all the time on the show like the the thing like they couldn't believe yesterday on legionist skanks david was saying david smith used to be at my house all the time and he was broke and he was like they thought i was kind of like doing it because i was working the clubs a little bit but they didn't you know i was also broke and david was saying that he was impressed that uh when we wanted to order food like i had one of those change jugs that had enough change for us to he's like man this guy can just go pull 20 dollars out of that change jug whenever he wants to he's killing it yeah they were compressed by that yeah but again i never like my friendships were and i i said like i've always

taken people on the regular soon almost to a flaw i used to get shit for it that it's like if i had like a pinky inside the door i was also like can my friends come right yeah because i like to have like people around and stuff like i've gotten better spending time by myself as i got older now but like when i was younger i was like we'll get these guys in also that's a great quality to have i want them to be around yeah so i i did cut you off what what's your favorite underrated comedy city underrated comedy system you said miami sucks yeah um i don't know if it's like a necessarily a city because i think like denver is like it's people know how great denver is right next to that club you know but a more i'd say the most underrated state for comedy is ohio ohio just

has a crazy amount of clubs for me and my like like what i prefer with like audiences it's all blue collar pretty much you know i mean that's where i kind of flourish in a place where again because of broadcasting it's truckers blue collar factory warehouse guys people who can just put in headphones and just do their job all day and getting them through that kind of thing is like where i i tend to do where so i like those kind of and ohio just has i mean so many clubs that's crazy i never even thought 10 15 clubs yeah yeah a bunch of like a bunch of big cities that are slept on in ohio like columbus is a very very big city columbus and a kill great club um clive one's got a great club since an addy's got a great club so it's like yeah they're all over the place

there's like Dayton and Toledo and these like smaller cities that still have like a funny bone in them you can go do so i do like that's that's probably what's underrated that's a good answer um how bad did the eagle super will hurt you you were there would have hurt worse if i paid for it not burt yeah that's well max so our producer i i i had a future on the eagles to win 200 grand i put in august 22 to 1 so i sent him because he's a diehard eagles fan i bought him a ticket for six grand and i said if the eagles win you don't have to pay me back but if the eagles lose you have to pay me back every dollar so he had he had the watching the eagles lose and then realizing at the end he had to pay for the month for the ticket his face isn't enjoying the story yeah no

my job on the show is just a punching bag for all philadelphia failures so i'm happy that we could bring up both of them within the past 30 minutes with the hell of a year even the sports i couldn't care about like they're like you know they also lost soccer this year yes yes yes on the same week and they lost the philly yeah yeah but that i mean so you do you like watch every eagles game you're in yeah into the season and everything yeah it's uh it's hard to see i watch every sixer's game too i watch all 82 games damn uh with minimal exceptions sometimes it gets ruined for me and it's like not worth it right to watch it but for the most part i'm able to avoid it and i watch mostly on dvr yeah i'm usually flying home on sunday when the game's happening yeah um but yeah now it is

it's my complete escape there's my favorite thing but eagles and sixers primarily i love it i don't watch uh hockey or baseball really i feel like a lot there's a lot of comedians that just don't like sports it's it's weird maybe it's just because i don't know i don't know what it is so many gays now but i i i feel like we have comedians gays are taking over comedy you said you were sports or sports maybe it's the other way sports yeah comedians are like no i'm not watching this but yeah i i feel like maybe i'm way off like um now there's plenty that yet do not care at all right a bunch of my friends don't get in fact i have very few comedian friends who give a shit about sports right yeah a lot of them couldn't care less shane for sure yeah shane loves sports

yeah love sports very much soter cared about sports but like joe de rosa's like good friend doesn't care i always wonder like what it would open up so much of my life if i didn't care about sports my scheduling like just like happiness yeah well i just say this for me it's like a pure it's an unjudgeable escape from i guess unjudgeable yeah we just called and be the loser yeah so it's judgeable but i mean like it's just pure like uh there's nothing i can do about any of it you know i mean it's just my pure enjoyment yeah it's why i says why i fell in love with the impractical jokers and jackass and those kind of shows so much that i'm a fan of is because that's why it's unjudgeable comedy for me it's like i wouldn't do that right like something i would so there's no

way i can watch that and be like you know it would have been funnier you know this could have been like i have no idea right it's not my like thing at all so it's like i could appreciate that i think sports has a similar thing yeah it's like sit back and watch these guys go my emotion towards sports has gotten funnier as i got older how so just like the actual like the like the beautiful story of like a thing i remember a couple years ago i think it was the first year the sixers made the playoffs in like quite some time and uh when we went to the game we went to the game one i think against the heat it was and they won um the first round this is back when um this is before doc river's still brett brown mm-hmm i think they made the playoffs with mbd and they showed like the

hype video before the game and my uh my girlfriend and my daughter were both kind of looking at me because i was glassy eyed for sure yes and they were like what and i was like these 12 guys man just like like they weren't supposed to do anything this year they they just did so it was i'm so proud like i'm just to be proud of guys who i don't know at all man was i proud dude great group of kids that is so true though it's i was saying a couple months ago on this show they should have if you go to a therapist if a guy goes to a therapist they should give you like a mitt and a ball to throw back and forth with your therapist so that you can open up about all this stuff while just playing catch and yeah well it's not gay because yeah i'm playing sports also uh therapy doctor can you call

me champ yeah right right let me let me screw the bat yeah no it's it's true hey champ how's work going yeah exactly i i'm sure a lot of guys would actually open up in this situation hitting home run at work it's just using only sports i sure did i sure did i mean i remember that that game was so funny how emotional i got i mean like i get i'll go back and watch hype videos for things that like are way over the the super bowl win year for the eagles some genius put together like a promo and it's the whole season going backwards do you remember seeing that at all it's like every story has a beginning i think it's called i watch it a lot and it just goes it starts at the uh the winning the championship game to go to the super bowl and then it just starts doing everything

backwards while playing negative talk clips oh yeah so it's like them winning against the falcons and it's like you hear what they're saying carcine winces out this season's over and then they show the the 61 yard field goal come back to the tee all the way back to like camp and the guys like you know they're starting it all together and then they drop back on the line and then just cuts to Doug Peterson saying we're better than nine and seven guys we work too hard for this and it's i'm getting goosebumps telling it yeah it's stupid no but it's not yeah nobody believes in you guys no i did that's also the thing too it goes i knew you guys had this in yeah no it's it's but every year of eagles and six is both i go at some point my poor girlfriend who

tries desperately to care but doesn't really i look over i go something special happened this year at some point in the season i go something special here yeah so are you are you mad at the uh the groundskeeper for the super bowl the guy that laid that grass down the slippery grass i hate i hate excuses and i want to say all of them yeah but i really yeah cleats that one was fucked up that one was fucked up he knew what he was doing i was very mad about that he has a chief's maybe you should only have to pay three grand back because of the grounds yeah now he loves the the fact that he's saying this he just always yells at me for making that excuse yeah because i did like a month long of excuses and like deep dives into the sod father and like everyone was like you're a loser

for caring this much and then now i've just like now that we've removed ourselves i'm like max remember when you fucking cared so much about this i would never make an excuse for a lost bet fuck that but i you're right like something about sports as you get older it's like you weirdly don't care as much but then you are like more romantic about it much romantic and and don't care which i think is good right that's a good i guess it's more things going on in your life there was a time uh dan soter always reminds me even a shorter time ago i mean it was still mcmick mick nab years i think it was his last year and they lost uh in the playoffs championship game to the um who's the cardinals that was the cardinals versus pittsburgh year yep and they

lost that game and everybody was gonna stay to watch the second game in my house and he reminds me i told everyone i was like ah guys i'm not watching any more football and they were like oh we gotta watch the other game i'm like i'm done like i was really bummed and like sort of angry and i really held that for a while genuinely and i'm happy about this it's good i love again now i look at all the news i'm reading all the articles and dock rivers is fire and what do we do next i'm more like into that than i am so like i'm already over the thing i'm like man they crumbled what else is new yeah i can like move on from it much quicker yes was a part of you happy to see andy reed win no you don't like you don't love andy reed no i do love andy reed no for sure

but not against the obviously not against the eagles but like at the same time it's like no no no no no i his uh his remaining uh children uh something could have happened to them and i'd be like whatever dude yeah makes us win this game that but you have to respect andy reed at least the coach andy read maybe not the family man yeah but i mean that guy's lost everything to football and just keeps showing up yeah it's true it's the only thing yes it is very true two children i think right well yeah one died and then one yeah it was in yeah i think he might have i don't think he killed the kid but he like i think he did he was a vehicular man like i think the kid is in very bad shape yeah not great now do you remember hulk hogan's kid yes was racing around and nick yeah he smashed into

a tree and the his friend became a vegetable yeah and then they had the hulk they had the hulk hogan audio of the phone call and he was like i don't know what your friend did wrong with god brother that brought that kind of karma down on him your son drunkenly driving into a tree yeah Jesus Christ he's like man i don't know what you like i don't know what your friend did seem like a good guy but he must have some dark this morning he's hanging around the wrong crew anything wiretapped or uh you know illegally filmed with hulk hogan has not gone his way i would say now good commercial for that big thick weiner though right yeah wringled scan dangler yeah he did um all right i have one last question is roe back question promo code take 20 off your first purchase q zips polos hoodies

joggers shorts everything uh actually speaking of shorts i gotta ask pig jay your look i love your look thank you um it's kind of like stuck in the 90s but in a good way sure is that like the jorts you don't see jorts enough enough i would say enough at all uh i love it though because there's there does seem like some comedians they they hit success which you've hit success and they you know might go on steroids or get skinny or like you know bike designer clothes i like now this is my thing you know what i didn't dress when i was young any way that i necessarily would have been my first choice not that i hated it or anything i was dressing but it was all kind of choice of sizes it's nothing being like a big guy when i was younger i would have dressed much more

like rock band shirts and all that kind of stuff and i just never did because i just went with like the flow of everybody that was whether it be the one strap off overalls or you know the whatever the 90s brought the old navy striped shirt the pleated pants tech vest yeah just everything i would try everything try to be the verses like what i wanted to do so then when i got the confidence to just do that i did but i know it's open to scrutiny which i'm fine with also no i like to see you're like the the i mean i kind of do it every day where it's like being adults awesome i can eat ice cream every night that's right like i can dress however i want there's rules yeah i like i feel like uh like a white ghost face killer i like to look yeah no it's good it's like

if if if you go to a place that wouldn't let you in while you're wearing shorts and a hoodie is that a place you want to be in no probably not fuck no no but it's also weird when they let me into a place because they do recognize me and then you're like i shouldn't go in actually because if you're not supposed to wear them i really don't want to be that sore thumb right yeah it does happen a lot now i just did something uh on i did gut felt on fox news the other day for the first time and i went there and as i was meeting the panel backstage i was like oh i didn't even overthink that i'm gonna be the guy with a knee rip jeans and big combat boots on and everybody else is like in a wonderful suit or and the the girls were dressed in the nines and it was like

i sat there i'm like what are we talking politics hey don't mind my knee and hand tattoos oh this no i'm not straight edge i'm just an idiot the straight edge tattoo is very funny you're not straight edge because i'm sure you get that all the time all the time go to a bar order a drink like a tough week for you yeah yeah they're like wait a second you're 17 he's my first beer ever that's the old me i kicked that habit of not drinking um all right well thanks so much for coming by man thank you guys for having me yeah we appreciate it uh go check out dogbelly now good luck to the eagles and uh sorry about the sixers it's gonna be a big eagles here big eagles you think so we're gonna yeah i do he's as down as he can be right now it's it's rock bottom for

his the sixers uh the sixers and then the the sole patch also is just no good yeah those are doing two things you're doing all right yeah yeah yeah yeah i thought he was gonna say girlfriend left him because the eagles and sixers law well he slept with his girlfriend's roommate yeah that's not she caught on that's not right wait wait wait wait you slept with her i felt the we don't have to get into all this he fell asleep in his girlfriend i slept walk i slept walk one night bit of bit of drinking the night before and i woke up in my roommates there my girlfriend's roommate's bed yeah slept with the roommate yeah a sleep yeah in the bed she never woke up and realized a person crawled into her bed she was also drinking yeah it happened

don't it happen it happened i mean if we're talking technicalities you you don't you're not a big baseball fan no i mean i got into the world series like you know what happened with me my stepfather when i was uh young he moved he got it with my mom when i was like 11 and then he was super in like the Phillies you know so i started watching and then because his explanation of it and his like you know enjoyment of it got me into he went to a couple games that was 93 oh and they went to the world series yeah what a personality that team had and then they did Joe Carter yeah yeah and then i think i have this number right i think for 13 years after that game after that year they were like the worst team in baseball or one of them always they were barely made the

playoffs if ever in those 13 i'm going to meet the playoffs in 13 years and then um 2008 i was just already kind of out of it like right not caring about the sport but this last one i watched i did enjoy like the world series i mean didn't enjoy how it worked out yeah so that one game when you guys got no hits well was that a no-hitter yeah i think someone threw a no-hitter but there but there was you know what was fun was to come back and watch i think the first one i watched the full game was them just rocking the home oh that was the game before that was sick i was like a hell of a game i had a lot of hits yeah awesome shitload of hits you got no hits the next i think at the end of that game i was like maybe i'll start watching the Phillies

next this is a couple games i was like oh yeah baseball yeah like when it ain't going good it's so boring that's what it hit me i was like it's a very boring game if your team's terrible yeah and there's so many of the games so many games but i did uh i say i watch 82 games a year the Sixers i watched the 10 win season so much so that at one point my girlfriend goes i don't know if it's like good for you like like fit like your physical health of watching this because like you're coming home every day like to escape into this game and by the half time they're down by 20 you're thinking about buying an ish smith jersey because it's the only player on the team doing anything yeah that's a that's a lot of losses that's a lot of bad days that you're

forcing yourself to have yeah that's so many losses that's brutal so i do appreciate uh where they are now for sure i said it's why it doesn't like take the the steam out of me so much i'm like you know what they gave us it's what it's my adult approach to all of it i go hey man we're only supposed to get 82 games and we got you know there you go that's we got like 90 something great group of kids out there yeah James Harden they do what they did i love it well thanks so much thank you we appreciate it this episode of part of my take is presented by duracell few sports are more technically demanding than auto racing because of those standards williams racing only trust one brand

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okay let's wrap up billy you want to leave yeah billy hasn't seen the succession finale spoilers if you haven't seen it pft uh i loved it that rocked oh wait hanks out here too hank has not seen it as well hey similar to the stream tonight hanks leaving early interesting uh i loved it i loved it i thought it was perfect i want to know your thoughts we haven't talked about it at all i know i do like the conspiracy theorists out there that think just because we have a max ad deal now we just started talking watching succession um we have watched all four seasons it was one of my favorite shows i know the stupid debates of like is it a like all-time great show i don't fucking know i just know that i really liked the show and the characters were incredible

and the acting was awesome and it was a great series finale i thought they did a great job yeah in retrospect they couldn't do anything funny with it like there were a lot of theories out there that they were going to have greg inherit the company um there were some other ones out there that were kind of like they were fun like that but it wouldn't have gone along with the theme of the show in general which is just like tragedy and the way that that kindle ended they left it kind of ambiguous when he was staring out at the water i thought that was a great last scene because he's looking out at the water um roman had just talked earlier about how the water is like all connected like through the channels and tributaries like it's all connected across the

world roman uh looking out at the water sorry kindle's looking out the water and thinking about probably the guy that he killed yeah that drove that didn't happen that did not happen did not happen he's probably also thinking about the time where he almost died in a swimming pool on the water and he's thinking about jumping over the edge i actually read an interview with the actor that plays kindle and he said there was one take where he just walked up to the edge and tried to jump in and the guy that plays his bodyguard his only friend at the end the actor actually had to come and like take him down off the ledge which is just kind of perfect because the dude that jeremy strung plays kindle kind of a weird guy he makes people like very uncomfortable on set

because he's like almost kind of method with it um and he just went rogue on that one and decided to almost kill himself in character at the end but i liked i liked how they wrapped everything up giving tom who's just basically a big plastic sheet of paper uh the the title of ceo where he's just gonna be the pain sponge yes uh for madison that thing i thought that was a really good i thought that was a good way to wrap it up it's it's so perfect because everyone lost like even tom who's the winner he he has to go be ceo for a guy who the night before was like i want to fuck your wife and i think she'd probably fuck me too that's his boss now like he has to go and be that guy's pain sponge like so he achieved a technically the win because he's a ceo but there's

no like happiness in tom's life he got what he wanted but what he wanted was just this like people shaking his hand and respecting him and having this like empty power and then all the other like the siblings that scene when they're in the boardroom fighting uh it was it was essentially what shiv said in in the funeral episode when she's like yeah we were always outside like you know messing around while like dad did business like that's what they were doing the business was happening and they were in this room side room fighting with each other like saying the meanest shit to each other shiv ends up being essentially like her mom she just like she's now the the wife of of the power she's like she doesn't win anything roman nailed it

was like we're just all bullshit he goes back to his life of being insanely rich and then kendall like he was from episode one of the sea entire season was aspiring to have this role that he like just because he was the eldest boy like that was yeah there was no other like qualifications that he had he didn't do anything well he was a tragic tragic figure but like the the part where he's like yeah dad told me when i was seven that i was gonna run the company like that's what he lived with for his entire life where he was like this is my destiny i am going to be the ceo of of waystar roico just because of who i was born like where i was born i actually think the one guy that that is going to have the happiest life after this is probably roman because he's still

got billions of dollars and he's just going to go off and be like a drunk horny weird asshole on his own which is what makes him the happiest yeah he's doing that type of shit he doesn't he never actually wanted real power he just wanted to be able to be a dickhead to people and he can still do that if you have billions of dollars so i think he's going to be happy after the fact uh tom is maybe the biggest cuck in the history of television it's crazy so not so for for the foreseeable future his boss is uh not giving him any power gonna make him act like he has all the power but just cuck him behind the scenes in terms of business while also literally cucking him by fucking his wife and just being like hey here's how it's going to end up i'm going to be dominating you

on and off the court for the rest of your life but you get to smile and just pretend like it's fine and tom is like a sick son of a bitch so he's like yeah okay yeah that's actually the the best outcome that i can hope for in this instance uh and uh yeah i'm i think tom getting the company at the end is perfect because you know that he's not you know he's not gonna like do anything substantial with it he's never been a guy that makes moves right he's a reactive person so he's just gonna get fucked over for the rest of his life but he's still gonna have greg around and him taking greg back at the end was awesome because he needs his own punching bag to beat he can only absorb so many body blows from his boss and from his wife he needs to have an even

sadder more pathetic guy that has to that's forced to hang out with him and just get dominated so tom at least has like one outlet for any rage or aggression that he might still have he's like yeah you're disloyal you don't really bring anything to the table but you're very easy to make fun of and just bully so i'm gonna pay you to be my bitch he the slap fight in the bathroom was so perfect and yeah you're right like greg his entire story arc was essentially just being like the biggest weasel out there he was obviously the comedic relief in the show but he was a weasel he he was blackmailing he was information trading and he essentially just made one move too many when he was trying to he was quadding up with with the roy's siblings

and but still he ends up right where he started like being tom's bitch i i just thought like it was weird because i think like that show was so good because all those people are such terrible terrible awful people but you did find yourself rooting for them a little bit and it was nice at the end where no one won because they're all terrible awful terrible people so it's i know that sometimes people want like this winner or you know to feel satisfied but like that was why i liked it so much because like oh yeah these are horrendous people and guess what they're still all insanely rich beyond belief like they all i think walked with someone to the math they all like have like two billion dollars in the payout so they they all have everything

but they have absolutely nothing and that's why i loved it like they all lost everything yet they're still richer than anyone could ever believe or anyone could ever possibly attain and i like even the shiv part people were pissed at shiv i i loved it just because she got fucked over by her siblings constantly she got fucked over by her dad she got fucked over by her husband at the end of season three finally she was like i'm like fuck this like i'm gonna fuck you over back like there was no no one ever showed her loyalty why would she ever do that back you do actually end it up the best now that i think about it is connor connor connor spent a hundred million dollars on his presidential campaign and got like half a percent of the vote nationwide

and now he is the ambassador to slovenia and his i guess his wife is just gonna hang out in the united states and like be an actress or whatever yeah long distance long distance two week i think kendall said oh two week itch yeah so perfect yeah no be good for connor connor's live in the dream man just going over slovenia hanging out probably drinking some grappa dude and not only that but connor that scene when they had the um virtual dinner with dad thing that they watched that scene was basically showing all of us that connor was the only one who had a relationship with his father that meant anything everyone all the other three kids were just transactional like they want to be like the the the next in line their dad promised it to him at various points played him like a fiddle

trust issues all that shit like watching that scene is like oh wait logan roy did have friends and connor was his friend like they had a relationship that wasn't just purely who's gonna who's getting your company when you die and i thought that was perfect too where it's like all three of these terrible people just fought tooth and nail uh back stabbing each other constantly to try to get essentially their father's love and become like the the successor when connor was just an oddball barely on screen and he got the one thing that none of them would ever get and that was like friendship with their father i i did miss brian cox in the last season a little bit yeah i understand why he had to go and and how that was like used to advance the plot

but i missed having him on screen because he's such an awesome actor i've gone back i've started watching some old brian cox stuff did you know that he was the first Hannibal lector he was Hannibal before anthony hopkins was in the movie uh i think was man hunter oh and that was like if you've ever seen red dragon i think red dragon was a remake of of man was it my man hunter what one of these i think was man hunter and he's fucking awesome and i watched like 10 minutes of clips with him as Hannibal lector awesome actor incredible super troopers super troopers everything yeah um adaptation yeah you name it yeah it was it was a great show i loved it i my test for all movies and shows is do i wake up the next day thinking about it and i did like i woke up this morning thinking

about the finale thinking about this the whole show i will probably rewatch it i don't know where it is like you know the immediate rankings i fuck i have no fucking idea like i probably i like sopranos more does that i don't if you tell me you like succession more than sopranos cool that works i don't know it's tv like it's subjective yeah i also liked roman's shirt that he was wearing at the end which is like the the little boy's shirt that he wore one hit once he went to his mom's house yeah mom like gave him some clothes to put on somebody looked it up and that's like a $9 shirt that you can buy at walmart that's and everything else that they wear in that in that entire show is like you know even the even the black t-shirts that they wear are $500 designer

black t-shirts there the mom just like not liking the idea of eyes was so perfect what a fucking crazy crazy woman she was like the little blobs in your in your skull who wants those uh but yeah great series we're reminder we're going to do blood sport on friday so we're going to review a blood sport go download max this wasn't an ad this was just us talking about succession um good show everyone hank good show just feel better no you don't no feel worse yeah pft we lost them his headphones cut out his headphones cut out pft just say a number 69 no i didn't i didn't say numbers yet that's a false start that's a false start you just said say a number yeah i said say a number i didn't say numbers numbers i 60 no no you you're false started you're going last

tell text pft to say a number i'll do 69 okay 69 uh 43 43 for pft wait wait we gotta go to the board for that you said say a number i said say a number i didn't say i thought you said numbers no i said say a number you know i said say i think you said i say a number i think if 69 hits today we really need to go to the rules okay well hank has it so hopefully hank i'm rooting for you no this uh i'll go 17 pilly i'm gonna go with the only other number i've won with 21 okay actually i shouldn't let this happen that was total memes have you ever gotten this nope uh 59 you've never gotten this never gotten it okay 20 what did we have to see 43 43 i shouldn't be letting us have the that's going there's the breezes it's already going it's already going

oh thank god it's not 69 it's nine i really wish that would have been 69 all time fucking freak out i'm gonna be honest i'd destroy this whole studio i would have freaked out i would have freaked out i would probably destroyed the ball machine yeah uh okay great show reminder friday friday we're back friday we're back uh pft actually we'll be back in studio with us so friday we're back and uh we'll see that love you guys you got an animal fact i got distracted he got distracted uh beezle bugs were a gigantic frog that so mad at me about 69 i was in my head i was like because there was a possibility pft when i said i your headphones

cut out i said say a number is that the same as saying numbers you said say a number to the whole crew i just said say a number to you specifically and then billy said 69 that's offside well i didn't hear him coming in coming in i just heard say a number i thought you were telling me to say a number well it's no harm no foul yeah now it was i always had billy just going full aggro i was i was really i didn't have my fact ready because i was going through hypothetical rage scenarios in my head it was like i like i got i got like like dimensionally angry we're gonna see one more number there's another let's do one more number there's another like time space where it did hit 69 yeah you're right and i i felt the rage of that guy

in this dimension okay let's do one more number okay do you want to do one more number pft sure numbers six six nine i got it uh pft's lag so i think no my reaction speed was much faster let's flip a coin because he's no no we're not flipping a coin yeah no i said it at the time we can't no no it was instantaneous no no if pft call heads or tails no why does he get to pick it it's a heads no no show me show me the coin no you could have flipped it heads no no pft got 69 what's your 18 21 20 20 all over again what do you got billy what's your number 21 uh hey card he said it 45 oh big team man uh 17 59 memes you still haven't gone this still

haven't gone it since the last time 72 oh damn we could have gotten such a agro billy you want to do one more billy yeah you know let's do it let's do it see you guys i'll read it in see you guys on friday do Come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on,