Pardon My Take - Paul Bissonnette, Jay Bilas, Peter King Retires, Ice Cream Is Under Attack And Pardon Your Take

Episode Date: February 28, 2024

Peter King hangs it up and we remember a great football career even though he still owes us money. Combine week is here and we have quotes and smokescreens (00:00:00-00:19:18). Hanks number 3 best Patriot (00:19:18-00:24:21). Hot Seat/Cool Throne including the attack on ice cream and the Barstool Combine (00:24:21-00:47:23). Paul Bissonnette joins the show to catch up, talk hockey, being a Big J reporter and more (00:47:23-01:32:04). Jay Bilas joins to talk court storming, teams getting hot, NIL and more (01:32:04-02:07:41). We finish with Pardon Your Take (02:07:41-02:19:51).You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/PardonMyTake

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How about it? Ask restaurant host. God, did you hear about Robin Williams? Host, no, me, died. He killed himself. Thought he would cry. RIP Peter King. Peter King has retired.

What are the best tweets of all time? Yeah. Yeah, you know where I was going with that. I was thinking about what to lead the show with because we're going to talk court story with Jay Billis, but Peter King is hanging up the pen? So he's hanging up the pen. I don't know how long Peter's going to be able to hang the pen up for because

I was thinking about what Peter King's job is. And that's basically he watches football. Yep. And then he gets on the phone and he talks to football coaches. And then he writes things that football coaches tell him and Sprink. Well, it's really a coffee column that he writes sprinkled in with like occasional occasional football anecdotes. Yeah.

So I think that Peter is going to be walking away from doing a weekly column. It wouldn't shock me that he seems like the kind of guy that's become such close friends with enough coaches. Peter King might just become the next like biographer. Oh yeah, I can see Andy Reed's biography. He's probably gonna write Andy Reed's biography. He actually we should we should study Peter King in his retirement because it will probably be not exactly apples to apples when we someday hang it up, but this is like when they release

a whale into the wild after it's been in captivity in a while. I didn't mean to say whale because Peter King's weight, but it works in this analogy. And then the whale like immediately dies. Cause like I was used to just, you know, three square meals a day and sitting in my tank. So let's hope Peter King lives a long life after this. And he's confined happiness outside of football because that we might just be staring at our future.

I'm trying to follow this analogy. So you're saying that Jim Erse is going to pay to fly Peter King's body across the country. Peter King's the whale and then when Peter King Here's about that. He'll die. Yes. Okay. Got it. Uh, yeah, I could see that I could also see Peter King just continuing to write a column Yeah, and not getting not getting paid for it and he's just like I'm retired I don't have to do this every week and then he just does it every week

He just sends it out So we've had we've had our ups and downs of Peter King on this podcast Well, he still owes me money for the in and Out burgers for the In and Out plus interest plus inflation. Peter King overall seems like a nice weird old grandfather. Well, and he's helped a lot of people out in the business. He's personally helped me out throughout the years. I did a column making fun of his column for about seven years. Yeah. And he's been overall a nice guy. We had a little bit of a falling out a couple of years ago. But Peter seems like the game, he's going to miss the game exactly as much as the game will miss him. Yeah. And I like Peter King for the most

part. He read him, I, you know, read his column in SI. He will say this about Peter King. He you know, read his column in SI. He, let's say this about Peter King. He was able to bring SI to the internet better than anyone else. Like he made a column that was perfect for the internet where it's like, what do I want to do on Monday morning? I don't want to work. Why not just read 45 minutes of Peter King's thoughts,

him emptying his notebook online? So he was actually like ahead of his time in the fact that he was able to basically take the SI mold and then put it on the internet and it worked on the internet. Yeah, there were some times, I think in the last few years where Peter King, maybe I don't wanna say the W word,

but maybe he got a little woke and decided that he was just gonna take sideways shots at Barstool for no reason. I'm just gonna say, you know what? Let's take the high road on this one. Yeah. He said he would never appear on a barcel show again. Not that it would be a pebble in the ocean.

And that was right after, well no, I was gonna say that was right after I bought him a double double from In-N-Out with fries and I think maybe a milkshake and he didn't pay me back. So as a journalist, you are not to accept free meals from people. Let's just say this. And when he drove in the bike lane. And when he drove in the bike lane.

And when he drove in the bike lane, and also when he said Darren Sharper. No, yeah, Darren Sharper. He would vote for Darren Sharper for the Hall of Fame, regardless of what happened off the field, even though nobody was having the Darren Sharper Hall of Fame conversation. But if it happens, he is firmly in the condition that.

You know what? If Riley Cooper was a better player, Peter King would put him in the Hall of Fame. Yeah. Listen, I, yeah, Peter King would put him in the hall. Yeah, listen. I Yeah, Peter King. I think it was an interesting pivot to get out of paying me twelve dollars But you pulled it off. Mm-hmm. You pulled it off being like barstool bad barf stool barf Bar bar the with the asterix. Yeah one thing I always admired about Peter though was his ability to write a column about football

That was honestly 90% not about football Yeah, it would be about like he was he was the originator We can actually trace the skull fucking airline companies thing that big cat does online We can trace that back in a direct line to Peter King Complaining about hotels and airlines and track in his weekly football column that he would write and he had such a hard on for any sort of travel, inconsistency, inconvenience, that he would turn it into his own personal story

and then dead against these companies, which then poisoned the youths of America to think that the first thing that happens to them when Marriott doesn't have two towels ready in their hotel room is to go online and complain to Marriott. Correct, and Peter King, again, hope he lives a long, beautiful life in retirement. But if he wants to, if his family wants to use this

as his eulogy at some point, he can. They can clip this, you're free to use it. I would say my final thought on Peter King, good for the game of football, even though he still owes me money for the In-N-Out part. You know what we should do? We should do a do Haiku. That's how he ended his columns.

Within a Haiku every week. All right, I don't know how to do Haiku. Let me how he ended his columns, with a haiku every week. All right, I don't know how to do haiku, five syllables. All right, Peter King. Peter King, that's three. Okay. O's, O's, O's,

Cash. Cash. Peter King, O's, Cash. I'm sorry, the beer had hops. And then is it one more? Five? Yeah, then there's one of the five. Sorry, the beer had hops. And then is it one more? Five? Yeah, then there's another five. Then he thought he would cry. I thought he would cry.

Yeah, yeah, I thought, or died, he killed himself. Died. Yeah, that's what I meant. Yeah, that's what I meant. But wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, So long, so long friends. Memes, can you put our original one that we just put out there? Can you make sure that's a graphic? Thank you.

All right, so it is combine season. We're going down to Indianapolis tomorrow. We're gonna have our annual sit down with Adam Schaeffer. Don't do that face, don't do that face. Hank did a, like this, he went, for what? He didn't like going down to Indianapolis. You don't like Indy? It's cocktail week.

You got cocktails and cocktail sauce. You got all the horseradish you could ever. You know what, that's what it is. You could do one night. One night. One night in Indy. I think the shrimp cocktail is so spicy that Hank is afraid of the entire city. Is that actually the worst porn title ever?

One Night in Indy? Yeah. I think it might be. One Night in Indy. I'm excited. Yeah, so we're going to have our annual Adam Schafter interview. Oh, he's shaking his head. I also heard we might have, I would say,

I won't say she, I'll say he or she. I don't wanna give it away. The number one reporter this year, as of late February, if they decided the poll it's her right now, she would win it. Or he. Or he. Or he, for her reporting on Max Tussauda's. I will not be attending this.

Maybe the poll it's there. Yeah, you will. Yeah, so. Actually, she's taking the mantle from Peter King about complaining about travel situations. Yeah, so it's gonna be fun. We're gonna go down to the combine. We had a bunch of coaches talk today.

Do we see anything? The combine does feel like it's reached its final iteration of just like being everything sold out I saw the noble Warm-up zone. Uh-huh that has it fully branded. It's pretty. Yeah, everyone I some players were complaining they're like we used to have to run in the hallways of hotels Yeah, it is noble. It is crazy to think that just like 30 years ago of noble There would be nobody at all at the combine.

Yeah, it was like scouts. It was a time in an era when it was necessary then. Yeah, it was that so so scouts coaches, assistant coaches, they would look at this as being like a little midwinter break where we get to just get away from the family for a little bit and get hammered and indie and go out and there's no reporters, nobody talking to us. It's our vacation that we take and we tell our families, like, oh yeah, big work trip coming up.

Now it's become like another spectacle that the NFL has where I'm shocked that the NFL hasn't moved it from Indy yet. It seems like they've been talking about it. Like Gidell has floated a bunch of little trial balloons out there being like, well, we might move it to Vegas, we might move it somewhere else. It's not good as an entertainment event. It's not though, yeah, it's not, it's very, very.

It's not a spectacle, they're just trying to it's very, very- It's not a spectacle. They're just trying to make it one. No, it's not a spectacle. You go to the same restaurants, you sit at the same tables, you drink the same amount of beers and you have the same conversations with the same people once a year, every year,

which is fun, it can be fun, but it's not like fans go there and they're wowed by what they see. Yeah, yeah. So what were some of the quotes I saw? Sean Payton, he might be online because he had a quote that said, I saw this humorous meme the other day

where there's a Bronco fan with a shirt on and there's like eight quarterback names with a cross through it and he's drinking the quarterback Kool-Aid. Our job is to make sure that the next one doesn't have a line through it. So that's, I mean, we already knew Russell Wilson was gone but that was, he basically was like,

there's a line to Russell Wilson. Ryan Poles got in front of the media and did not tip his hand other than saying, if we trade Justin Fields, we'll make sure that he's in a good spot, like a rehoming. A rehoming. We're going to do a nice farm upstate where he has plenty of room to run. Exactly. They won't ask me to use his arm that much. I saw that the commanders are aggressively pursuing the number one pick. Oh, I also heard a rumor today. I don't know. I probably won't say this on the air that we're considering a quarterback that might

have some history in DC. Kirk Cousins. Which would be fantastic for the show. It would be fantastic. That's all I'm going to say. That's actually the end of that sentence. I wasn't going to say anything at all after that. That would be fantastic for the show. It would be fantastic. That's all I'm going to say. That's actually the end of that sentence. I wasn't going to say anything at all after that. That would be fantastic for the show. Also shout out Brandon Beanie had one of my favorite quotes today which was just pure honesty. I just like whenever a guy just gives an honest take. He said about the Josh Allen pick. He said if he doesn't work out, I'm not going to be here anyway. And if he does work out, nobody's going to give a shit. Yep. That's how every GM should act. Yes.

Like seeing a guy throw in person, you can see him at his pro day. Yeah. You've got a lot of tape on him. I don't think that one night in Indy isn't gonna make that much of a difference. One night in Indy. Where you go with this quarterback? Not my favorite jerk off. There was another report, I read this to you guys before we went on the air.

Big Dom was interviewed. Yes. By a reporter. I don't know if he wants me to name. Big Dom was interviewed by a reporter. I don't know if he wants me to name him, but he is a reputable reporter. Asked Big Dom about our interaction in Vegas when I saw Big Dom out on the town. Oh, this isn't public?

It's not public. He said to me, he said you were just screaming his name. He was sweaty and drunk and I think high, but he was a cool dude. That's what Big Dom's. That's Big Dom's recap of the interaction. I got to say big doms should be a reporter because those are facts. Also we have followed up with big dom.

Read that quote again. The end of it. Okay. It's it. Let's see. He said regarding his interaction with PFT commenter, he was sweaty and drunk and I think high, but he was a cool dude. Okay.

So it turns out that the interview that PFT secured in that moment is not legally binding. Maybe not. Well, no, I was under the influence. Unless Big Dom was on mushrooms. It's true. I think the only big mushrooms he was under would come on a cheese day.

He was smart enough to be like, yeah, I'll just say I'll go on and then I'll never have to see this guy again. Probably actually. We still will try to get him, but we've made our first attempt and it came back nothing. Well so I saw Big Dom later.

What do you think of it for Mark Davis? Mark Davis definitely there's, because we gotta act quick or else he's gonna forget. I hope there's just one person in the Raiders facility who like every day just puts it on his to do list and he just passes right over. It's like do that interview with those two weird guys that tried to like stalk you.

Just put it on the calendar. Yeah, put it on the calendar, we'll just show up. We will show up. We will go, that's a promise that we will go in person if Mark Davis agrees to an interview. We need what, you think six hours notice? Yeah. If that.

If that. That secure a boarding place for Blake. Well, we gotta get also Hank only flies first class now. That's true. So we'd have to make sure there's first class tickets. And we gotta stop by Taco Bell to get Max some stuff before he flies. Mm-hmm.

But we're there, six hours. Yeah, there's plenty of Taco Bells on the way. Give us some stuff. Max, you wanna tell the story that you told me the other day about your Taco Bell adventure? Uh-oh. It's a very funny story.

Oh yeah, this is. It's a good, it's a good Max story. This week Saturday was my girlfriend and I's two-year anniversary Congratulations. Yep. Yep. Of night Nindy Last Saturday you spent it by watching Villanova that is correct This is the same night. Okay. it was. It was the same. This is the same night.

Oh, okay. Well, again, we've told the story, but your first date with her was when Jay Wright stepped down, so she's expecting this. Yeah, yeah. So I got home. I facetimed her. After the Yukon Villanova game. After the Yukon Villanova game.

Oh, my God. Nothing like a nice romantic post-Villanova FaceTime loss. I ordered Taco Bell. For her? No. Well, I ended up ordering it to her apartment instead of mine. So you did? Oh no.

So we were, while we were FaceTiming, I don't necessarily remember this conversation. I had a couple beverages. She was like... Couple means two. Yep. She was like, yeah, you just played it off. Like, you got me Taco Bell for an anniversary. But now, she would probably take a fence to that, because you probably got like 17.

That's true. It was a grilled cheese burrito and a cheesy gordita crunch. Good order. So then the first one gets there, and then 20 minutes later, she gets another knock at her door I tried to order it for myself after the second So she got the same order twice

Sunday morning I did end up ordering The fact that she like I assume she took that, like, okay, because she knows you very well. No, she liked it. Yeah, she's a keeper. She's a keeper. That's ride or die. To have double-on Taco Bell on your anniversary show.

It's her most romantic gift you could get a woman. Well, to be fair, I got her, it was because it was on Uber Eats, almost almost anything. I sent her flowers in the morning. So it was the most recent address on my reach. Ah, true romantic. Yes, yes.

Did you get her anything to drink? No, she was, but yesterday I was talking to her and she was like, by the way, I threw out one of those grilled cheese burritos. Oh no! Were you hurt? How could you throw out a love present like that? There's no worse feeling in the world

than ordering something that you're very excited for and you wait and you wait and then it goes to the wrong place. That's such a bad, bad feeling. Yeah, I didn't eat it. I didn't eat it at that moment though. I'm happy, I didn't get it. Yeah, you're lighter for it.

That's good though. You got all the, you got all the endorphins of ordering Taco Bell. Yes, yes. But you didn't get the calories. Exactly, it was perfect. That's an idea for a new app. Yeah.

Where it just sends your worst, your least healthy orders to the wrong address on purpose. That actually, no, or just you order it, but it just never comes. Yeah. That's like my idea for a gambling app where you put in your bet

and it just reverses it without telling you. You order it but it goes to a food bank. Yeah. By accident. Yeah. Every time. Yeah. Okay Hank, do you wanna give us your number three patriot? So I watched the first three episodes and I have to agree with you Hank

or maybe it was Jerry Thornton's blog. That was very bizarre. They got it. They spent all this time on Bill Parcells and Drew Budsoe and they're like, and we got addicted to winning and then we won two more. And I was like, wait, what? Yeah, when Teddy Bruceke's like, you know,

the first time somebody mentioned the word dynastomy, it was like a narcotic. Yeah. My eyes got wide. That's the only thing I was focused on. Then we beat the Panthers and then we won another Super Bowl against the Eagles It and that that was all that you had from that it also would have been nice

There's so much lore yeah They also would have been nice if they had gotten maybe a little more into like the game plan of the Super Bowl They beat the Rams because like that was a pretty crazy upset Mike Martz looking fat yeah, it makes makes me happy. It's a bit older. And it's clear it's slanted because even in that they they brought Mike Martz on just to be like well they're being cheap like they were doing the little uh yeah you know hold them and foul them they're not going to call it. But it is but you have to know that this this whole entire documentary is so that Bob Kraft can get into the Hall of Fame. How would not get in the Hall of Fame? Well, he's not yet. I don't think they just let owners in very often

I mean Jerry Jones had to wait a while He wants to get in the Hall of Fame before he passed six Super Bowls I understand but Jerry Jones didn't get in the Hall of Fame to what two years ago It to me this this tells me that Robert Kraft has acknowledged the fact that the Patriots will not make another Super Bowl in the next five years And his only way to chase that glory is to have this documentary made get to the whole fame. The behind the scenes stuff is cool. Seeing young Brady is crazy. He had a- Just think of him as like- It was such a- I love how- I love his roommate, like the stories when he was just like- he was a psycho.

Yeah, also the best moment in the first three episodes is when Brady told the story about after winning the Super Bowl and Bella Czech got in the car and was like, you had a pretty good year. Yeah. Yeah, that was his way. That was awesome. Congrats. Also what a psycho Brady was to live with as like a rookie

when he was playing Tecmo, Tecmo Bowl, and he would just unplug the entire system if he was losing. Genuine psychopath that loves winning. Also, he's got a lot more here now. That's interesting, I thought. He's better looking. Yeah, it's kind of crazy.

Yeah. So Hank, with that said, number three. Number three, you just mentioned him a couple of times. Heart and soul of the defense. Although there's so many, so many good defensive players. So we've got Jules at number four, and then your defensive player is going to be Italian.

Inspirational. Is he Italian? I think so. Comeback player of the year 2005, I remember thinking like he was never gonna play again when he had his medical issues and he came came back one player come back player of the year Legend Teddy Bruce key Teddy Bruce. Oh, yeah, he's Italian. I don't know why real perverted. Yeah, but don't yeah, Italy Well, he's from Italy. No his paternal grandparents. Oh, my oh his mother is of Filipino ancestry. Oh interesting. Yeah

Yeah, all- old time name. I have a lot of people getting mad at me for this. Let's start it. I would just like to say I don't care. This is my list. It sounds like you might care a little if you have to address them. Are there people that are getting mad at you,

your friends that you debated with? Are the people getting mad at you? Yeah, are they in this room with you right now? No, no, it's just people on mine being like, that this person's not on this list. Well, tune in, you'll find out. The list is subjective and it's my favorite Patriots. It is awesome that a Patriots player was named Bruce.

You just like, you get all the fans chanting that. Brrr, yeah. Yeah, I mean, they do it all the time, but I just remember when they beat the dolphins in the snow and he got a pick six and they started throwing the snow. Yeah. All time vibes. What about honorable mention? Ooh. You don't have one What about honorable mention? Ooh.

You don't have one? This is the easiest task. Kevin Falk. Okay. You remember when Kevin Falk beat up that kid at LSU? That was awesome. Yeah. Kevin Falk was good. Yeah, another like the Cam Newton thing.

Another, hey, maybe don't try to fight professional athletes. I would say actually, Kevin Falk and Cam Newton are very, very high up on the list of any professional athlete that you don't want to fuck with. Really, really bad idea. Legend. On the team forever. Mr. Consistent.

Yep. Okay, anything else before we do Hot Sea Cool Throne? Any more white guys you want to shout out? Kevin Falk, not white. Kyle Long. Shadow Kyle Long. Just, cuz? He replied in a weird tweet when they posted the Chris Long quote.

What'd he say? It was just like a GIF, I didn't understand it, but shout out to him. Oh, okay. Well, she was a patriot. Made you think? Yeah. Yeah, he could have been a patriot. Okay, let's do Hot Seat Cool Throne and then we've got double interviews for the people.

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Taylor Gooch, well always remembered as the masters that didn't have Taylor Gooch. The Goochless masters. Okay, so that's. Is he the only good player that you would think of that's not gonna be in it? There's a couple, but I mean a lot of of I think there's like 12 or 13 live guys they had Joaquin Neiman like got invited because the Masters can invite whoever they want.

Look at you just dropping names. Joaquin. Real dimplehead. The Masters can invite whoever they want. Yeah. They could invite you. Yeah. I could play in the Masters.

They should invite you. So that's where it's he kind of even has a less of a hill to stand on. Because and then. Less of a hill to stand on, I like that. Is that high ground? Yeah. Hill to die on. Okay, yeah.

Soapbox to stand on. I don't know. Less of a point to stand on. Yeah. I guess hill to stand on, that works. Yeah. I mean, I'm not a world around smart person. You can wait till the J. Billis interview

where he tries to just cut me up with words. I hate that. Yeah, I felt like you. Is Charlie invited? No. Well, then Astrix. I agree with Taylor Gooch. John Daly?

I don't think so. I think his exemptions, but he had, he's not, you know, whatever it is, top 100, top 50 and he definitely hasn't won a major in a recent enough time. Astrix. Sure, yeah, Taylor Gutsch. If Taylor Gutsch was there, he would,

that's a massive, Augusta's a poor 67. It's just tough when people then they post his records in majors and it's like. Didn't show. Yeah. But it is kind of like, that's the dream, is to just like have that big of an excuse built in for why you're not there It's like they're afraid of me. It would rock but also 13 live players. It would rock if max won the Masters this year

Yeah, I don't think he won the match He didn't oh He didn't win the man. I'm ready play Rory Rory Lexi Thompson and Rose Zang However, Max got closest to the pin on one of the part 3s, which means $100,000 to charity. Oh, nice! Good job, Max. Good guy, Max.

Yep. That's, we should get credit for that as well. Yeah. Just that $100,000 is coming from Max and us. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Okay. We have donated $100,000 to charity.

Yeah. Cool throw. Cinema. Oh. Cinema's back. Oh. An American saga. Kevin Costner, apparently, funded this movie himself. He couldn't, you know, get back and forth, so he took the money, made the movie himself. I saw reports, you know, months ago, or almost longer

ago, that he was putting it out in, it's going to be four movies, which seems excessive. That's homework. They put the trailer out. Are they coming out all at once? Or are they coming out like year by year by year? No, it's smart. I think it's end of June, end of August. Oh, I'm kind of into that.

So we can binge it kind of. It looks so good. I've watched the trailer in American saga, Kevin Costner. Verizon maybe? I just watched the trailer. Hank had me look it up. It follows the theme of Kevin Costner

Oh, it's a rise in America's August where Kevin Costner has just turned his entire life into making movies where he gets to ride horses And so he's he's just lived like in Wyoming, Utah Montana and he just only does films that are based in those locations But like yellow stones the dream yellow stones got a little bit of like the drama and kind of like the this looks like just a straight straight western okay I mean I like a good Western yeah I mean I've watched show like six times looks amazing whoa cinema's back and apparently Dune too is good but I don't know what I know but for people at home what is Dune it is a science fiction this is a it's movie. What is it about?

It's a sequel of a remake. Was it a video game? No. I think they did make a video game at some point about it. Okay, that's one of those ones that I just have missed every single piece of it. So when I see DOOM 2, I'm like, they're still doing it? I always thought that they're saying DOOM 2, which I'm all in for. DOOM was a video game.

DOOM was a great video game. Yeah, all right, that's where the confusion is. Uh-huh, Doom, the BFG9000. Okay, that makes sense. Doom is back. Again. I'll see it soon. How many are there? This is the second one.

Oh. I think the last one. Oh, okay, good. Am I gonna be lost if I watch Doom 2 and have not seen Doom the original or Doom the new one? You should watch the new one. I think the I'm sure everyone already remembers this but Dune was the reason I blew my back out originally. Oh, that's right. Yeah, I remember that's trying this is the one Oh, yeah, it's a movie with baby Yoda, right? Yeah, Groku. Yeah, but some roco Roku the baby Yoda what it will I be lost if I'd never watch any of the dunes?

No, I think it'll be fine. Okay, so I'm gonna give you two Star Wars correct So I think there's lots of walking in Dune. Oh, I'm a what that's I'll just watch Frank walks by the way Watch Frank walks today very special guest Very special guest Frank walks you guys know better bleep it out yeah yeah it's gonna be an awesome walk next up well bleep that out too so that will give away the first one okay good job hot seat cool throw thanks good job Hank thanks

my hot seat is Wendy's customers. Yeah. Wendy's fast food customers. This is crazy. Wendy's is toying with the idea of surge pricing on their menu. Actually, they're not toying with it. They are going to implement surge pricing in an experiment to see if they can get away with charging people more money during heavy usage hours.

So in other words, Max would be fine. I kind of like this. Lunch and dinner. Why would you like this? fine. I kind of like this. Lunch and dinner. Why would you like this? Okay, I have a question because will it work both ways or can it only go up? So if it goes down at weird times, that's cool. That's so-

It should just be their normal menu prices and then they dip in half times. But no, they're gonna raise the prices during heavy usage. In Madison, state tree brots used to do stock market night where if everyone's buying a Kors Light, the price goes up for a Kors Light, if no one's buying a Rumpelman's, the price goes down.

It was awesome. You just watch the big board and you're like, oh shit, Rumpelman shots are 50 cents right now. Go up and buy it and then it goes back up. If that's what they're doing, I'm in because then you can get some great deals I think it's just about how much is going up how many people are gonna be there yeah then that's bullshit they're not gonna drop it down this stinks they're just gonna charge more money and I don't think they're gonna have to be like oh the

the baconator is reduced in price at this time the spicy chicken sandwich but you agree that would rule I think it'd be cool if they just kept the prices and dropped them at like three o'clock in the afternoon. But just keep them keep them just like at the dinner time rush hour like the prices go up but if you want if you're like max and you're thinking about getting a lovely present for your girlfriend and it's 2 a.m. and Villanova just got the shit kicked out of him by Yukon. Boom a Baconator is a dollar 25. Yeah I'm just not on board with this because it feels like there's a slippery slope.

Yeah. If Wendy's is the one, correct me if I'm wrong, but Wendy's hasn't been killing it recently, right? Have you ever seen Wendy? The person? Yeah. Like the ginger? Yeah.

The logo? The logo. Who is like the derivative? Like the, because it's Dave Thomas's granddaughter. Yeah, are you telling me the actual Wendy? Yeah, yeah, I have seen her very handsome. Yeah Very handsome young lady. She is Tough good thing they did the cartoon my cool throne bonk list. No, that's no, no, that's anti bonk Hank that's a fucking child and she was oh man tough to look at

she'd be a great rugby player and she grew up to be fine looking but yeah they did the cartoon well he's like my daughter loves hamburger so much I'm gonna put her as the logo yeah hamburger place she's like a softball catcher. A lot of power in real life. Wendy. Oh, well, no, I'm not. I'm talking about. Yeah. Yeah. There you go. That's not the bonkless. Please take me off right now. I think they screwed up the Pantone. I think they did. They took some liberties. Yeah. They took a lot of liberties. My cool throne is Uganda. Yes. Because last chance Uganda, the football portion is premiering tonight Wednesday at 8 p.m. Eastern.

You can find it on the Wonton Don's YouTube page. This is Billy and Donnie coaching the Uganda national football team. Sponsored by part of my cheesesteak. Sponsored by part of my cheesesteak and their upcoming bout at the time against Kenya. Who knows what happened? I think we all forgot by this time.

But they have a game against Kenya. So this is Billy and Donnie meeting the team, meeting the administrators of the Uganda Football Federation and installing whatever semblance of offense they tried to install. I'm excited. I saw Donnie tweet, because we had the combine yesterday and Billy was doing

Billy things across the board. Yeah, it was a banner day for Billy. And he replied to one of the clips and said Seems like Billy's turned himself into the villain of the barcel combine However, I'm trying to make him the hero of last chance Uganda and this is not helping The Billy tweet so the combine was yesterday if you didn't watch we have it all you can watch it anywhere on the barstool sports main channels I'm very sore from it Billy tweeted afterwards or today Realizing working yourself up into a stimulant driven manic state in order to shave milliseconds off

a 35 yard dash and get extra reps of 135 pounds on the bench press was really not worth it because you come off as an absolute asshole to everyone around you and you become a person you kind of really don't want to be. There was no, there was no punctuation in that. So I did read that correctly. And then I just saw one person reply,

what about paintball? Good point. No, Billy's excuse list so far has included the fact that he took too many stimulants beforehand, which I will defend Billy on. He did absolutely take way too many stimulants before and during the combine. The other excuse that was my favorite,

maybe my favorite Billy excuse of all time and God knows we've heard a lot of them. After the bench press, how many did Billy put up like 40 which is a pretty impressive 40 on the dog? He said he was gonna do 50 or he died. 50 or died, he said if I don't get 50 shoot me. Yeah. So he did 40 and then after he got done he was so mad. His excuse was, it was too light. Too light.

It was too light. If the weight had been heavier, he would have been able to demonstrate his strength more because other people would not have been able to lift as much. And so then he would have gotten more reps than Will Compton. And he also, in the vertical, when you have to test your vertical and you get it set to a certain height by raising your arm over your head, he said he couldn't raise his arm all the way because of his shoulder and then continued to do the vertical and raise his arm as high as he possibly could. And then before the QB portion was like doing

windmills with his shoulder. Well we saw the impact that the shoulder had on his throwing accuracy. Yeah that's true. Yeah my second favorite billy clip from the combine yesterday was when he was attempting to do the vertical and he was mad for I don't because we tried to Tell him you have to lift your hand straight your arm which everyone did and so then he jumped up in the air and he knocked the entire Device over the measuring device and then it hit the ground and then he blamed Francis for not catching it Yeah, that it was a banner day. It was a tremendous day for Billy football content But I do think that last Chance Uganda is going to be awesome. It's a great storyline that they have going over there teaching Uganda football players

how to play football and all the stuff behind the scenes and anything Donnie does auto-click for me. My favorite graphic we've ever made. I will post it again today. It's very, very good. It's just so funny. I'm excited. And the fact that we've got...

We're going to Cheese Takes to Africa. Yeah. That's why we started the cheese take business. We should have just taken all the footage and then done our own interviews like we're Bob Kraft to make us look good. Oh. That's what we should have done. Yeah, we should have.

But yeah, very excited to watch Last Chance Uganda. All right. My hot seat is ice cream, but not really ice cream. It's Clay Travis. So Joe Biden likes ice cream and this is not to get political because- Is that a code name like pizza? No, it's not I guess he was eating ice cream while talking about the Middle East, which yeah, probably not like the appropriate time

But whatever he's eating ice cream. I like this because clay has obviously He's very heavy into politics and whenever someone who's heavy into politics They can make one little mistake where they're like, show that they're so out of touch with regular America. They get high on their own supplies sometimes. Right. It's, you know, what was it, whenever someone was a Ted Cruz at the basketball goal? Yeah. Something like that.

Basketball ring, maybe? Ring, yeah. So Clay tweeted, Joe Biden eating ice cream while answering reporter questions about serious issues isn't charming. It's super weird. Do you know grown men who go get ice cream by themselves I don't it's very strange yeah I do all the time I do quite a bit

literally all the time I get ice cream I'm gonna do that as a protest tonight I'm gonna get ice cream by myself I get it twice a week when I'm on vacation I get it every day that's my rule ice cream Ice cream by yourself, is ice cream stores? Yeah, if I see an ice cream store, I just pop it, pint guys. Dude, I used to go, when we lived in New York, and I was in Dumbo in Brooklyn, there was like probably four ice cream trucks

that would just sit on various corners. And I'd be like, oh, I gotta go take Stell out, go get a fucking cone by myself. Yeah, ice cream rocks. There is a place called the Ice Cream Store too. Yeah. I picked that up quite a bit.

But this is like- I thought it was gonna be- Stay out of the ice cream takes, okay? Because grown men do like to eat ice cream by themselves. Was it one of those things where it's like a cone so it's phallic? It's like, why are you as a man sucking down a cone of ice cream?

I love ice cream cones. He also wasn't by himself. He was with a bunch of people because I don't think Joe Biden can go anywhere by himself. Well, he might wander off. Legally, he's not allowed to. And then Clay Travis had to basically,

everyone was like, dude, what's wrong with ice cream? Why are you going after ice cream? And he on his radio show later, or today, said, started the sentence, I'm not claiming that I'm anti-ice cream. That's it, dude. If you have to say that, you're anti-ice cream. Yeah, no, if you said that, you're on the losing side of an argument. Yeah, if you have to start a

political radio show with I'm not claiming to be anti ice cream, you're anti ice cream. So it was it was as gripe that he was eating ice cream at the wrong time because if so, I can't imagine a president talking about some sort of Middle East foreign policy while doing a leisurely activity and then ending it with something like, now watch this drive. Yeah, yeah. I mean, the fact of the matter is when you're present, you just get asked questions.

And you just do it, do the regular things. I'm sure that there've been some presidents, LBJ probably, that have done press conferences or phone calls while taking a shit. Yeah. Like you're just, you're always on the phone. Oh, LBJ was a notorious shit guy. Big, big shit guy.

Yeah, no, it's not. I don't again, not getting into politics. I don't know even I didn't even play the clip to see what, you know, President Biden was talking about. I am just focusing solely on the do you know grown men who get ice cream by themselves? I don't it's very strange. No, you're strange. Yeah, that is strange. You're strange. William Howard Taft used to eat ice cream during every single state of the union address.

Was he the guy who got stuck in the tub? He is, yeah. Yeah. Because it was filled with ice cream. How about that? How about being a president of the United States and everyone just remembers you as stuck in the tub guy? I'd much rather be known as the guy that died in like 28 days.

Yeah, or the guy who got his brain blown out in Dallas. Yeah, easily. Imagine if that happened now. That was like Hank's rebel would tweet out the clip that he would own a piece of the tub. Yeah. Dude, getting stuck in it, but like, think about how well known that story has to be

that it survived. How long ago was he present? Like a hundred years ago? You know what, yeah. It's stuck in a fucking tub. It survived so much that I- How'd they get him out of the tub? And I almost think it might not be true.

Your little penis is there because you got you know tub water and he's oh man someone's got to come just fucking suck you out of the tub. Alright so I'm looking this up right now because it seems like a story that's been talked about so much that it might be fake. No don't do that if it is fake if you find out it's fake do not tell me it's fake. I'll just say that if it happens to be fake, whoever started that rumor, great job. Yeah. Like if that's your rival and you get elected president and then you're like, how do I ruin this guy's legacy? You crack the code. He's stuck in TubGuy. You figure out how to do it. I thought you were going to say with Joe Biden that he was like eating an ice cream cone in a weird way because when it's primary season,

the like aids for every single person that is running for president, they've got like two rules which are like, don't eat a corn dog, don't eat ice cream because people just photoshopped penises on it. Stay away from state fairs. I know Hunter seems to really like the funnel cake powder quite a bit,

but stay out of state fairs. No, he wasn't eating it weird. Joe Biden does have like, every time he eats an ice cream cone, I feel like right before he't eating it weird. You know, Joe Biden does have like, every time he eats an ice cream cone, I feel like right before he starts eating it, he's gotta remind himself like, is this a child's hair I'm gonna sniff or an ice cream cone? But other than that, it was normal.

Yeah, it's also funny that Clay wakes up every morning and he just sees what Joe Biden's doing. He's like, okay, I know what I'm gonna talk about. Yeah, he ate ice cream. It's like Skip Bayless with LeBron, right? This guy's eating ice cream. I can't believe it. By himself?

I, ice cream rocks. No one should be shamed at any point for eating ice cream ever. That's a fact. I agree. Maybe Joe Biden can't digest solid foods. That too. Well, you had a cone.

I don't know, did he finish it? We never saw it to completion. We didn't see it, no. All right. My cool throne is the Nix and Tom Debedo getting the Nix to the point of their like the 90s Nix again. Did you see that clip last night? Dante Devenchenzo just doing a full form tackle. It was great. It was like Sean Taylor and the Pro Bowl. Yeah. It was fantastic. The Nix are, I mean, it will be fun to see the Nix in the playoffs. I think the Knicks are one of those teams that they should be like, maybe it's just 90s basketball in my head. They should try to just foul people really hard

instead of playing good basketball. And they do play good basketball. I say, Tom, it's like I wouldn't go into the pain if I were you. That's right. That should be their motto for sure. The refs did apologize to Monty Williams after the game. They said, yeah, we blew that call. We screwed it up, which is that if you're a fan in the ref say we screwed up this call. Sorry To me that's almost worse way worse. It's like I don't want to hear that I want you to double down on being a shithead so he mad at you just never saw it now I'm like, oh you're apologizing to me but that still doesn't affect anything right right. I'd agree all right Jake Finish us off hot seat cool. My hot seat is John Rom

He is reportedly being ghosted by Tiger Woods as Rom is trying to reach out to him to explain his live decision. Oh, what do you mean? Why doesn't he just text Tiger Woods a bunch of like dollar bill signs? Boom, he explained it. So he says that Rory's been supportive publicly

in my decision and he was privately as well. But he said, I mean, Tiger, I texted him and the people that try to reach out, you know, the process when I signed it just let him know, hey, you know, this is a personal decision. I have nothing against anybody. But apparently he has not heard back from Tiger. Should just texted him some nudes. Yeah, I feel like Tiger's a change his phone number a lot, guy. Yeah, Tiger's probably like a five or six cell phone guy. Yeah, if that makes sense Yeah, that has to be tough just texting Tiger and why does John Rom care? I mean, I know I get a tiger

But like you did it for the money like you shouldn't he's trying to burn the bridges I guess yeah, but if you're gonna make a decision like that you can't go into it being like hope everyone likes it Yeah, so if you're if you're John Rom, how many millions of dollars is Tiger responding to your text messages worth? Well, how much do you sign for 500 million? I heard it's way more. I heard it might have been more than that. Yeah. So I think it's okay.

Yeah, if you lost texting privileges with Tiger Woods for 500 million dollars, sign me up. Yeah, there's been some lawsuits out there where the exact opposite scenario is. Yes, yes. All right. Yes. All right in your cool throne My cool throne is action. We're getting more action because the UMass is getting added which means more games back in it Yeah, we're in the Mac. Yeah. Sorry. Yes. Yeah, but that means more weeknight football. Yeah, actually yeah Yeah, I think it's everything except for lacrosse, right?

All sports I heard it was men's and women for lacrosse, right? I saw all sports. I heard it was men's and women's lacrosse staying behind, but that's good. Either way, big deal. If you got to pick a conference to go into the Sun Belt and the Mac are the two ones you want to be in right now. Mac is the only conference that doesn't like they stay steady. Yeah. No, they're not getting picked off left and right.

Steady Eddie. If you're not a power conference school, why wouldn't you want to be in the Mac with the way they get the standalone spots every year? Yeah, if you're not a power conference school, I'd want to be in the Mac or like the Mountain West. Right. I saw somebody tweet out the graphic. We talk about it every year or every time, was it Yukon plays against UMass?

Yeah. Where the graphic shows like just cum. Cum ass? C-U-M cum ass. Now it's Central Michigan. Oh nice. When that matchup happens that's the cum ass game. Nice. Okay. Excited about that. That is that is exciting. We get to keep the cum ass. Mark your calendars. Yeah. Oh it's. What? It's cum ass. It's cum ass come as it's come as yeah, it's come as it's not exactly the same because Connecticut's CU Central Michigan is it's just see the logo is just see. Oh, yeah, it is. Yeah, it's come ass. Yeah Okay Yeah, that's right. See just see can I just see yeah, yeah, that's fun. This is we get to keep it

Okay, let's get to our interviews. We got biz great interview with biz great interview with Jay billis Okay, let's get to our interviews. We've got Biz, great interview with Biz, great interview with Jay Billis, two for the people before we do that, PFT. Before we get to Biz Nasty, he's brought to you by Proper Number 12, Irish Whiskey, with St. Patrick's Day just around the corner. Proper Number 12 is here to remind you,

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It is Paul Bisonette. Biz, why'd you cancel on us last week? I was just so gas and I just wasn't feeling good. You know when you like have been going so hard, your body just needs to sleep for a few days? Yeah. I think for three days in a row I was doing 12 hours of sleep.

I just kinda needed it. Sometimes I crash think I think for three days in a row, I was doing 12 hours of sleep. I just kind of needed it. Sometimes I crash and I was actually watching a YouTube interview. Who's the guy who was an Oppenheimer? Silly Murphy. Yeah, he's saying I just I just need to sleep sometimes. I just kind of crashed and I was like, you know what, that's me. Wait, wait, you were out with being tired. Wait, hold on.

You needed silly and Murphy to tell you that sleep is good. No, but I'm saying that it's just got to a point where like, I think I was going too hard and traveling a lot different time zones to where I'm like, uh, I remember when I got up, I'm like, I'll be shit if I go on. Like I can't, my brain can't even function. I'd be useless. And you guys got Yans on and he played with Yager. Yager just had his Jersey retirement.

I feel like the stars aligned. So who gives a shit? That's true. I know I didn't take it personal. I just was, you know, the AWLs love you. They love you. So they were like, where's Biz? We were promised Biz.

Well, I tell you what, I was a healthy scratch plenty of times in my days and Yans would always step up as a teammate and there you go. He did once once again and you guys got some incredible Yager stories and a fresh new voice on the PMT podcast unless has he been on the one? Yeah, he's been on. Okay, he's a recurring guest now. Yeah, he deserves it.

Yeah, he's the man. He's a great guy. But so why were you so gassed? What did you do? You worked? Just a lot of traveling, a lot of games, a lot of double headers. Like our double headers on TNT sometimes go to like 2 in the morning and then you're just, you know,

it's just a lot. I don't know, fuck. I'm human, you know? Yeah, you are human. All right, so I want to talk a little hockey. I also just wanted to catch up with you because we miss you. I love you guys. First question.

I was accused. Hank said that on Sunday night's show that the Blackhawks are, or Chicago's a bad sports town because there was some cheering for Patrick Keynes over time winner. In the moment, I wish I had brought up the fact that he was the biggest Bucks fan ever

when Tom Brady was on the Bucks. But you watched that night, I was there. It was incredible. What did you think? I mean, like Patrick Keynes wanted, he's showtime. He's incredible. I think it was one of the best nights in hockey history, well, at least from like, since I've been alive, like, you know, Chris Chalios played 27 years pro.

And just the whole ceremony, him coming out in that classic car with his mom, all of the legends and celebrities He brought brought into that building the energy must have been insane I mean you were crazy and you know we you guys often joke will comp then all the football guys joke about how the NFL scripted It almost feels like it will admit Joe scripted. Yeah. Yeah. That's another thing. He came up with oh he invented I came up with that it went super viral. He's a smart guy. Fucking right. It's man. Good for he's on a heater lately, especially with the all black and all white football team. We don't need to go into that. No, you get canceled today. But the fact that it ended up being

against Detroit where Patrick Kane has landed and what he and that core group of guys meant to that city during that dynasty and for them to be there and then for Kelly to acknowledge them during his speech too. Like, cellos is all clash and class, excuse me. And, you know, he's a guys guy through and through. I just thought that that ending was just so fitting. And for me, from, from a hockey day in America perspective too, it being hockey day in America,

it just was the perfect storybook ending. And he said that Patrick Kane's gonna go down when he retires as the best American born player of all time. I still think that there's potential room for Matthews to maybe overtake that throne, because I see him on the trajectory he's on, having the most goals all time. But for now, let's give Patrick Kane his flowers and I don't give a fuck if you know if you're rooting for the for the red Wings what he did for the city of Chicago?

He deserves for you to give him a tire pump after Barry and you guys yeah And all she's doing is giving you guys another first overall pick Yeah, that's the thing if the Blackhhawks were in a race for the playoffs, it would be different. But they're the worst team in the NHL. And yeah, it was. It was a special night. Like the cane double ovation, like he had to come back out

on the ice because no one would sit down. I got a little misty-eyed because it's just that tight. I was explaining on Sunday, like when you have a guy who always comes through in the clutch, there's just something special about it that you'll just always root for him. I'm obviously not a Blackhawks fan or and wasn't a Patrick Kane fan when I was playing from a sense of like the competition perspective, but the respect was there. But the amount of times in key moments that he was able to step up and score, but not only just score, but then like go down the ice, get on his knees, make the heart and then punch a fucking hole

through it, the heartbreaker celebration. Like, and even the one the other night, like being like showtime baby, showtime and how he's able to move his hands really fast. Like kind of doing like the, you know, he does with his hands. He's like, come on baby, come on. Yeah. He's just, he's a legend through and through and it was such a cool moment, you know, he does with his hands. He's like, come on, baby, come on. Yeah. He's just he's a legend through and through. And it was such a cool moment.

And he is, he's all time, man. He's a first ballot hall of famer. It was cool seeing all the players that were out there, all the stars that came out for it. A little birdie told me that your good friend, your dear friend, Wayne Gretzky, he had a hell of a time there. I heard he may have been kicked out of the box. Have you heard anything about that?

No, what are you talking about? I heard that, I heard Wayne was asked to leave because he wouldn't stop smoking cigars. This was not for me by the way. It's not for me. Not for me, but I heard. This is not for me. I heard they asked him to leave

and that Wayne Gretzky left and he was like, well I guess I'm just gonna hit the bar now. Like can you, are you allowed to kick Wayne Gretzky out and he was like, well, I guess I'm just going to hit the bar now. Like, can you? No. Are you allowed to kick Wayne Gretzky out of a box at a hockey game? There's not a chance that happened. I'm going to say there's a rumor. That's rumor boys.

You're not a tag rumor boys. I like you fit into your role as Wayne's enforcer. Yeah. His goon. Be like, nope, didn't happen. Yeah, him and DJ Collins now. Yeah. I know it didn't happen.

Because I saw Wayne again. They had like a post party at the United Center in the atrium area and he was there. So he definitely didn't get kicked out. Not a good time. Not out of the arena, but apparently he got kicked out of the suite. He was having a very good time. So, um, PFT speaking of Wayne, though, when cellio said the greatest American born player of all time, you know the first person to start that over a standing ovation was Wayne was the first guy to get out of the seat.

So that's when you know there's truth behind it. Yeah. So Patrick Kane officially the greatest American born player in hockey history as of right now with cellios. I remember I was in, uh, I was in Austin, Texas at the time and the Texas Stars were playing against the Chicago Wolves, the minor league team. And cellos was like 47 years old, 48 years old, playing for a minor league hockey team,

came out there scored a goal. Why did he keep playing so long? Is it because he just loved hockey that much? Well, that he kept an incredible shape. So cellos, I don't know if yans was talking about him in length But just a guy who could go out and drink 24 pops But then yet he'd be at the rink the next day at 5 a.m. Ride the bike in the sauna So his ability to stay in shape and be such a freak for as long as as he played

That's why he was able to have that longevity. Now, from what I understand, I want to say his son, I think his name's Jake, I played against him when he was playing for the Carolina Hurricanes Farm Team in Charlotte. I actually fought him. Chris wanted to keep playing long enough to the possibility that he was able to play in the NHL either with or against his son. That's my understanding of why he ended up playing so long and kind of dragging along, but in his last year, he was playing in the minors and then was also called up because Atlanta thrashers, Chicago Wolves was the farm team. He got called up to Atlanta to basically be Zach Bogosian's, um, like take

him under his wing. And that was their first rounder that year. I want to say he went fifth overall. And then that was kind of the end of it all. But to play 27 years in, in, especially in the eras that he played three Norris trophies he won, it was just a, in a hell of a career. I don't know how he played that long. Cause at 32 years old, both my ACLs just exploded in my

last season of playing. Yeah. And I want to say he retired at the age of like 47, longer than Tom Brady. So just a remarkable, remarkable longevity. And he was butt chugging from the fountain of youth his whole career. It was pretty crazy how long he played. So biz back to Wayne Gretzky real quick. So I was able to get a pictureizz, back to Wayne Gretzky real quick. So, I was able to get a picture of my son with Wayne Gretzky, which like, it was bigger for me than my son's four and a half years. Did he know who you were? He, I, he was having fun. I was lucky because his son is a barstool fan, so his son came up and was like, Big Cat, what's up? That saved me, like, perfect timing. Oh, nice. It was just like, thank God he's here.

So the rain doesn't think I'm just some fucking weirdo stalker. Subpigeon. Yeah, right. So that was huge. But so I walk out of the arena with my son. I'm like, you just got a picture with the greatest hockey player of all time.

And my son's like, well, how is he the greatest? I was like, well, he scored the most goals. And then my son asked me, how many goals did you score? I was thinking about it. You scored seven goals in the NHL. Can I get a couple? Can I just take a couple and just tell my son that I scored a couple? I think that the Chicago Blackhawks should shine you,

put you on Bedard's line just for the viral content to revive the fan base and get ticket sales up. Yeah. And I think that if they put you net front on a power play for even a full season, I bet you he'd put 15 off your acid in the net. Yeah. Especially for how wide yours is. You basically have a full backboard. If you stand on the far side of the net, which I mean, Zach, Zach, Ivan gets 40 playing with McDavid. I'm pretty sure you can get 20 playing with

Conor but are. Yeah. I just need one or two. Cause that was a tough question. When my son was like, how many goals did you score in the NHL and I was just like ah well mmm this is not gonna be and then I tried to change the subject but uh yeah maybe I'll do that I did see Hosa too and I he didn't think it was very funny but I was like hey big cat like we've met a bunch of times and I was like yeah we want a couple cups together 13 13 and 15. And he was just like, what? So that didn't go so well. No, he was probably thinking in his head, like, maybe this guy was like a black ace that

got a couple games or something and got his name on a cup. And he's like, oh, it's been that long. I mean, Rafi Torres did hit him pretty hard, so maybe he forgot. Yeah, that's true. So, Bizz, you are doing a great job on TV. We love seeing you on TV. Oh, thank you.

It's like the perfect role for you. You get to watch, you watch probably more hockey than anyone in the country right now. What's the big story getting close to the playoffs? What's your, what's the number one thing you're thinking about when you're watching every night and like storyline that everyone can be attached to? Well, I mean, like just going back to what we recorded today,

obviously the cellulose Jersey retirement was number one, just to give him his flowers. Um, I would probably say the hottest topic was this Matt Rempe kid who's in, uh, in with the Rangers. He's a six, seven mutant, like young, young guy on his entry level contract. And he's came in, he, his first game was at the outdoor games at the MetLife and His first shift to the game. He had a fight in Matt Martin So that was pretty cool in front of 80,000 people and in the NHL what they do with the rookie lap Your first game is is the guys kind of hold up at the door

So you just kind of start warm up where you do a couple of loser laps by yourself So getting to do that in front of 80,000 people pretty cool I ended up meeting his his mom and two sisters and they were just so amped up for his first game And then Matt Martin for the Islanders was kind enough to drop him with them But then since then he's fought like two more times He's been trucking guys and he's just kind of been this almost like a Jeremy Lynn type trucking guys and he's just kind of been this almost like a Jeremy Lin type situation where he's like a household name around at least New York City right now after only playing a handful of games. That was probably the one one story

and I mean the Rangers in general man they've I think they've won what 11 games in a row they're just on an absolute heater right now. Shisterkin's back to play so anytime the Rangers are in the mix, that's usually a big story. And, uh, I would probably say they take the cake, Florida being the wagon that they are. They're probably the, probably the, the number one favorite in the East is a big story. I would say that the even Detroit being back in the mix, Motown, the Iser plant, Steve Iserman took over as GM, what probably four

years ago now, and he had an uphill battle to make them relevant again. And now they're probably looking at a playoff spot. So the thing about the NHL, it's like, there's so much parody, and it's such a good league. And I would say probably the most competitive regular season. It's not like one team is a headline hog. It just gets snapped around to where there's just so many amazing stories. The Western Conference, probably the strongest it's been in a while where I think that there's probably six teams that could realistically come out of the Western Conference. Rick Tauket, who was my co-worker at TNT, he took over as head coach last year. It was probably like, not issues in the locker room,

but definitely chemistry problems. And he was able to go in there and fix all that. And now they're the top team in the league going into the last 20 games of the season. So they're for sure gonna make playoffs. That to me was one of the biggest stories and where a guy who wasn't even a coach halfway through the year last year is probably the front runner

to win the Jack Adams this year. Um, but outside of that, man, I mean, I can keep rifling off stuff, but the NHL striving and overall the growth of league and where it's at. I just think it's a, if you're not a hardcore hockey fan and you're kind of sick of maybe the sport that you're following jump on the hockey bandwagon man because it's it's an amazing league Yeah, it is yeah, you were talking earlier about fighting a guy and then meeting up with him later and being boys What percentage of like the fights you've gotten in? Um, do you end up being friends with a person like immediately afterwards versus like the ones where there's actual bad blood where you're like

I don't like that dude. So I never really had any rivalries where I hated guys that much. You always usually give the pad on the ass after and I mean you wouldn't be playing tummy sticks per se where you're like hey man how the wife and kids are yelling over on the other side of the box but now when I see guys that I fought yeah we just laugh and chuckle about it. And we did it to survive. We did it so we could earn a paycheck. And for me, it wasn't that deep rooted,

unless a guy took a cheap shot at a teammate. And maybe that's why I would have bad blood. But ultimately, there was no scumbags that I truly hated and still carry any type of grudge against. I like to hear that. The biz, this is actually the first time we've had you on in a while, so you were a breaking news guy a few months ago. How's that gone since you broke that entire? Was it with Babcock in Columbus, how, how, what is the, is the, is the national hockey league media giving you a little more respect

that you deserve? Cause you were like dead on with that entire story. I mean, I don't really give a fuck about that stuff. Like respect in that like, you know, journalistic integrity. Like I tell rumors about trades coming up all the time. Like I just, I'm like a casual fan when it comes to that stuff. Um, it was a pretty wild time, uh, because obviously they were denying it right away. And I don't know how many people listening know the backstory. Long story short is Mike Babcock was a coach in the national hockey league, a successful one. Um, you know, he coached the Detroit Redwings

for a while, uh, won a Stanley Cup there with the roster they had, probably should have won more. But he had a history of maybe abusing his power too much. Now, there's this, there's this maybe mindset of some people listening being like, oh, well, like, you know, today guys are too soft. And it's like this like cushy society now where, no, man, I think that establishing accountability and being hard on players if they're making mistakes over and over and, you know, sitting them out and bag skating them. Yeah, that's all normal stuff that I had to go through. But there was like the verbal barrages that he would give, uh, uh, Fronson, who was a player for the Detroit

Red Wings where it caused them like mental issues where even since he's been retired He spoke out on it and he said it destroyed his confidence in his career and he fucking hates Babcock At the time he was in Detroit Probably at the time of era where it could be gotten away with and given that Babcock had a good reputation from a coaching standpoint Coach team canola won gold there. It wasn't something that was going to get him fired. Move on to Toronto where he ended up getting the next job where he was the highest paid coach in the league. Mitch Marner, the story came out where when he was a rookie, he called in, he called him in and he said, I want you to rank the guy's laziest to hard working.

So he was basically forced to do it. Then Babcock took that list, goes into the locker room and basically tells the first guy on the list, yeah, Marner thinks you're lazy. So just suing this guy with his team and abusing his power. Now a story that, so there was a few other things that happened in Toronto to the venture, the point where they weren't having success. And I think that he overstayed his welcome and they moved on. One of the things that happened in Toronto that hadn't come out was one of the power dynamics was he would have guys come in and he would say, what type of person are

you? Give me your phone. Let me see your phone. And he would start looking through the players photos on their phone like that's just I mean any job you work in America if you're a boss and you do that you're done right? Are you getting canned? Yeah, I do that to Hank after every weekend. I'm just like, let me see, let me see what you got. You're definitely on the clock. Yeah. So to the point where they had a designated guy on the Toronto Maple Leafs as a guy who would tell the new guys on the team, Hey, when you get called in, don't bring your phone.

Say you left it in the car. That's pretty fucking crazy. Yeah. So he ends up getting canned from Toronto for a lot of these issues. He has to go do some personal work in order to reestablish his reputation. And then he ends up getting a third chance in Columbus before he'd even coached a game. He's doing the same things with the cell phones. So a former player who he did this to in Toronto reached out to me.

He goes, Hey man, he goes, this, this shit's still going on. You got to call it out on the podcast. So I remember calling wit and telling him, I'm like, can you believe that this guy's still doing this and even did it to begin with? So on the podcast, we ended up recording wit reminding me, I would have never brought this up. And then so I made like the, I don't want to say light of it, but saying how if he would have called me in, I would have had a picture of my bin staring them right in the

face. I would have took a picture of my, my hairy cornhole where the first few pictures would have been that and then maybe a double barrel like, fuck you, don't be looking at my pictures. And all of a sudden we end up posting the clip and it gets about 7 million views. This thing goes. So I didn't expect it to maybe get as much attention as it did, but it caught fire and then all of a sudden it was a bull rush. The media went crazy with it and they denied it and it was a pretty, it

was a pretty nerve-wracking situation breaking that news and having to go through that, but eventually the truth came out and apparently there was even more worse shit that he was doing. And then they said, hey, we're part and ways of them before you even started the game. So as far as my breaking stories and breaking news, I'm gonna probably take a hiatus for a few years after the emotional.

But take a rest. Yeah, you deserve a rest. Yes, but you guys are a player's podcast and that's what I appreciate when you, like that was your message was like, hey, we're gonna stand up for the players. Like this is some bullshit that's going on. No one else is going to report it. We talk about the players. We love this league. We were players. We have to say something. I would have never have even known the story unless a former player

said, Hey, this is what was going on with us. You need to use your platform to address it. And I said, I, I captain. And like you said, yes, we're, we're a player's podcast. And we try to, we try to give them as much voice as possible. How did you feel about the people out there that were like, not normally a fan of these guys, but I tend to agree with them on this. There was a lot of that going on. Like, normally I hate Paul Bisonette, but got to admit he he's right on the you had to admit you had to say first of all like I don't usually like spit and chiclets but again they're right. I mean I could see why people would hate my guts I was a pretty big donkey online

for a long time so for those people maybe we could kind of just be like hey we're neutral now and we could be buddies and move on. Yeah yeah hopefully. Hopefully. Um, when we had, we had Yandel on and we talked to him a little bit about the maple Leafs this year and, uh, we asked them why they won't win the Stanley Cup because he didn't include them in the list of teams that could win. His answer was the fans, that the fans are the problem in Toronto. I know that you've been on and off the Leafs bandwagon a couple of times the past years. You did make a bet, I think, right?

That you would get circumcised. Yeah. If they, if they didn't what, two series or one series of playoffs? So your hog is still covered with your turtleneck to my knowledge. The only bet I've never followed through on, by the way. I think we can give you a pass on that one. I could shave my head on national television. I made it up for it with the Edmonton Calgary bet with the Battle of Alberta. Yeah. So his analysis was the fans suck in Toronto

and they're holding the team back. Would you agree with that assessment? Yeah, it's uh, I mean, I don't know, it's any major sport when you're in the Mecca, every little thing that happens is the biggest story in the world where you're if you win six, five, we have a goal tending issue. If we win two, one, what's wrong with the offense, right? They're just trying to fabricate stories. I mean, uh, so living under the microscope of playing in Toronto would be very difficult. And in the past, they've been very, very hard to deal with. I want to say there's been a few instances this year where they've actually tried to elevate players who are going through difficult times. The goalie, Sam, Samsonov or Sam Sonoff. I mean, the way you pronounce it changes every week, at least for me, but he was having a difficult time where they started kind of like chanting for him and getting behind him. So I can see where Yannis

is coming from. The fan base can be very fickle, but I think that they're turning a new leaf. No pun intended. I think that that's why you like that. You like your puns though. No pun intended. I think that that's why you like that. You like your puns though. Yeah. That's great Paul. Yeah. What are you doing with your other hand?

I was rubbing my cock. Yo. Put that on. Yeah. J journalism. Yeah. I love that. This looks like a Drake video right now.

What's a Drake? Yeah. You don't. Yeah. Yeah. I never so I never saw that I heard about it. So he's got a big hog. We got to send the video now. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you have to yes, send it right now. I see how big is his rope? You got a big rope? It's a decent rope. It was big enough to the point where we thought that maybe he leaked it himself. It was a good good

veteran move. Yeah. Veteran move. If I had a huge hog I'd leak it too. I'd be doing the old sex tape get our numbers up. We'd be the number one sports podcast. What. Hey how many times like in a given week to the TNT producers are like hey biz you said that name wrong. Do they get on you for pronunciations or they just know we got usually Liam just call. Usually just Liam just calls me out right next to me. That's the beauty of it. He holds me accountable for sure. But I would say that I would have to agree with fans or yans, but I don't think that that's going to be an issue this year. Oh, okay. Yeah, I'm feeling the mojo right now. No way. Yeah, they're, no, they're, they're peaking at the perfect time. So they had Morgan Riley who crosschecked

the guy in the face. I guess you could say a full pause when you have an empty netter and hockey. Yeah, you don't, you know, you just kind of just slide it in. Yeah, there was a kid, kid for the Ottawa senators who leaf leaf senators have a battle of Ontario and he had the full net to himself and he just wound up and took a clap bomb. So Morgan Riley skated over cross check him in the face got a five game sassy and they were a bit thin on the back end to begin with. But it galvanized the group, they were going through a

difficult time and they ended up rattling off five wins during a suspension. I think they're at seven in a row right now and I just love that they're peaking at the perfect time. Well, what's the perfect time would be like a little bit later, right? Yeah. Well, they were, well, time out though, they were in a wild card position fighting for their playoff lives. So they need to start rattling off some wins. And some people say, oh, they're picking too early. They're picking too early. Like idiots like you.

Yeah. But if you go back to last year, the Vegas Golden Knights and the Florida Panthers right after all star game is when they started their peak. They started winning, winning, winning, winning, winning, leading into playoffs. So it wasn't just like, oh, okay. Hit the snooze button, hit the snooze button. Oh, it's playoffs.

Okay, I guess we'll start trying now. There has to be some method to the madness leading in and the Leafs have found that at the perfect time. I'm with you. Like I buy into the Leafs bullshit. It seems like every single year, I'm not a fan of the team, but I watch some play and I watch Austin Matthews. And I'm like, this guy is on a different level. And it always feels like they've got all the ingredients that are ready. not a fan of the team, but I watch some play and I watch Austin Matthews and I'm like, this guy's on a different level. And it always feels like they've got all the ingredients that are ready. And then I get disappointed every single year

when I bet doesn't hit because I do it. And now I'm starting to do it again. So I'm by telling you that you're full of shit, I'm really just telling me, like, don't buy into their bullshit again. Yeah. I could see why you would think that now, I'm a firm believer in facing your demons head-on Mm-hmm like go right at the eye of the storm I am hoping that they draw Boston as a first round matchup because if you go back to I don't know where the exact year you guys could maybe look it up if you have a researcher there is Jake there

We don't have research. I hear right now. I up if you have a researcher there is Jake there. We don't have research. I hear right now. I wish I had they they lost to the Boston Bruins. They're up three one in the series and they were up three or four one in the game that was game seven and then they end up losing to the Boston Bruins. So I feel much like when the Red Sox went against the Yankees when they were down three oh they ended up reversing the curse. And that's when they went on to end up winning their first world series.

And I don't even know how long since the curse of the Bambino, I feel if the Leafs end up matching up with Boston the first round, I think they beat them. And then they go on to March to win the stand. So 2013. So there's probably a lot of guys from the 2013 team. They're still on this team. There's not one player that's still on this team. They take it pretty personal.

Also, if you're going to use an example of a team that's battled back or had like a history recently of three-hut thing. I'm going to bring that back for it. You would have to remember that the Boston team last year, they blew a three-nothing lead, didn't they? No, three-one. They blew a three-one lead.

Three-one, yeah. Three-one, okay, but they were They blew a three one three one. Okay. But they were the one seed last year. Yeah. Yeah. They were by by the best regular season team in NHL history. So the Bruins have to find a way to play the Panthers in the first round and the Leafs have to find a way to also play the Bruins in the first round. I think they should do a Chinese checker style playoff. Yeah. Three teams on the ice. Let's fucking roll baby. Yeah. A deathmatch. Yeah.

Medieval times, dinner and tournament. Let's go. I love that. All right. I was going to say, the one thing I love about hockey and hockey players is that analytics have come into all sports. It's changed a little bit.

The human element has been taken out of it a little. But you said something there that was, I I truly believe and I think most hockey guys would agree like an issue where you have a guy stand up for his teammates cross-check someone can galvanize and get all the boys pumped up like is there were there moments in your career or maybe even you see it right now where it's like hey a fight and then that fight happens and then boom they're off and running like the boys in the locker room need something to get behind, it's not just playing Hawks.

I just think it speaks more volumes as to how connected the group is. And in hockey, you know, you can have all the skill in the world, but if you're not connected as a group, I mean, you're gonna fizzle out. There's been plenty of unbelievable teams that have just found ways to lose where you have these like, for instance, last year, the Panthers, that's a team who's galvanized together. It's not just if their goalie stops a puck and one of the offensive

zone players from the other offensive players from the other team bumps into their goalie, they're going to have five Panthers jumping on that guy's back. Right. They just are. So the only championship I've ever won was in the A-HL with Mike Stothers, and he instilled that in us. And I truly believe it where, where like Leafs at the beginning of the year, they had a few issues where things like that had happened. And guys were just marching all over and getting in the way with it, chirping at their bench where nobody was answering the bell. So I felt that that was a major issue and a major disconnect within the group where that's obviously been addressed now. Yeah.

I feel like guys are stepping up in that situation. And that's why probably William Nylander spoke to, Hey, I know we're losing our best defensemen for five games, but we're going to battle for him while he's out of the lineup. And that's really sparked the group internally. Just one moment like that in a season. Man, let's go back to last year when Florida Panthers were fighting for their playoff lives. It was Matthew Kachuk's father, Keith Kachuk, who did a radio hit in Canada. Uh, I, we had him on our, our alt cast and it was somewhat of a calculated move where he's like, well, he's like, yeah, I was

obviously going on there knowing that it was probably going to create some airways, but I didn't know what was going to have the ripple effect that it had, but he called out the whole team for playing soft and playing like a bunch of pussies. And after that, it was a full blown mutiny. And there was nobody who was going to push over the Florida Panthers. And they went on to do what they did last year. I love it. I like that. I like dad getting involved. Yeah. Connor McDaniel. Well, whoa, whoa, whoa. If, if, if your dad, some Joe Schmo, who was just following you through

the minor ranks, being an annoying dad, it's one thing. If you're your Walt Kachuk who scored 500 goals in the National Hockey League and you're you should be a Hall of Famer. It's a little bit different. So I wouldn't I wouldn't exactly say every dad should be getting in the mix. No, let every dad get in the mix. We need a hockey version of Lamar Ball. Yeah. Somebody really starting shit up. Yeah. Yeah. Going. Well, yeah, yeah. I don't know. Is there one? Is there an example? Is there a helicopter dad? Who's the best dad in the NHL? I got a call from one recently who was maybe not happy with

what we were talking about in the podcast because his kid base, he was like, I don't want to play for the Philadelphia Flyers. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's like, I'm't want to play for the Philadelphia Flyers. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's like, I'm done. And he like refused to even meet with them, but it's a whole new regime. I can understand my, maybe why he's frustrated with the old regime, but there's a full new awesome regime. Danny Breers there, Keith Jones, like the Flyers are trying to reestablish their culture there.

And for whatever reason, this kid just was like, yeah, I ain't coming. And they traded them. And I got a phone call and he's basically saying that they were lying about the situation where I'm like, I don't think Danny Breyer and Keith Jones are lying about the fact that of all this stuff happening behind the scenes, but okay, LeVar Ball.

Uh-huh. I like your use of the word regime too. Yeah, it feels like it feels really officially the new regime and culture. What's the best regime in the NHL right now? Oh, OK, that's a great question. Great question. I would say a very cool regime and one

that I would want to be a part of would be the part of the Eiser plan in Detroit with Steve Iserman. That sounds cool. He's a very, oh yeah. He's got a bunch of the old players from the Detroit days when they won cups together as part of his development staff, whether they're working hand-in-hand with players, whether they're part of the scouting staff. So being part of that group and that the brass, the round table, that would be a pretty cool regime to be a part of the scouting staff. So being part of that group and that the brass, the roundtable, that would be a pretty cool regime to be a part of. But Stevie is pretty intense. So if you were

late for a Zoom call, you'd be, he would, you know, reem you out. If any information of inside the regime gets out, you're done, walk the plank. You probably would get beheaded at Little Caesar's Arena in Detroit. So, but nonetheless, that would be a ride or die regime that I would love to be a part of. That sounds badass. What about the worst regime? I don't wanna be too negative.

One regime that needs work. This isn in transition. Regime change. Can I get back to you on that at the end of the pod? Yeah, yeah, yeah. At the end of my interview? Marinate on that for a little bit. Okay, so I do, I want to ask about McDavid real quick.

Is he ever going to score a goal again? Is he like for the best athlete in the history of the world going 10 games without a goal seems, it seems like a long time, right? I think sometimes he probably just gets bored of doing certain things. So he says, ah, I'm just going to feed my teammates for the next month here. And in that stretch of time, he's, I mean, he had a six assist game. So there's certain situations where he's like probably looking off, scoring a

goal and he actually could have put an empty netter in the net going back about a week, maybe a week and a half ago against the Arizona Coyotes, but he had a teammate Fogel who had been struggling, who hadn't scored a goal in about eight or nine games. And instead of taking the empty netter to himself, he made a play over to Fogel so he could score the empty netter to gain his confidence back in which he did He ended up scoring the next game after that and he's been hot ever since so he is just the all-time teammate and a great ambassador for our game and another guy who you could probably consider if

He continues on the trajectory. He's on it's hard to say he would pass Wayne because Wayne's numbers are just, they're just untouchable because he just cracked the code at that time and the goalies weren't good enough, but he will probably end up second in all time scoring. So, and an absolute phenom who's lived up to every bit of expectation. But if he continues on this trajectory, he'd have zero Stanley Cups. bit of expectation.

But if he continues on this trajectory to have zero Stanley cups. That is so that is something that is weighed heavily on NHL guys where it's like, Oh, yeah, but he didn't win a cup, but he didn't win a cup. And you could tell that it weighs on him. I think that you will see way more personality coming out of them when he gets the job done. It was the same thing with Sid. And that's not a knock like he has personality, but these guys take it so seriously that they want to be able to deliver that and have

that in order to think that their career was complete. Yeah, yeah, I think that you could say that about every sport. But I would say in hockey from a media perspective, that is something that is is held against you. Look at how long they were holding it against Ovi. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was the one I mean you know PFT more than anyone. That was the the one I yeah but he's not a winner. I yeah but he's not a winner. Yeah raises golf bags golf cartoon that will come out every year that they'd lose. It didn't help that they would win the President's Trump or President's Cup all the time. And then they'd get bouncing the playoffs.

It became a narrative that sucked. And yeah, I mean, if you're a hockey player, like we say, you don't, how many minutes does kind of McDavid's skate per night? Like 22 or something? 22, so you're not really on the ice at all during a hockey game, even if you're the best player. And then they hold you accountable if they don't win the cup.

Right. You should probably stay on the ice more. And going back to last year and this year, this is the best group that they've surrounded him with. And the young guys who were they, they're waiting on to blossom are starting to blossom. And the moves that they made are starting to pay off. I would say the one area if Connor McDavid wants a Stanley Cup, I would say they probably have to add a defenseman and probably a gold tender at the deadline. Not staying Stewart, Skinner can't get the job done.

They just maybe need somebody with a little bit more experience. There has been rumors that Mark Andre Fleury is going to be on the move somewhere. I've heard LA is a landing spot. Edmonton might be a potential landing spot, but going back to the Boston Bruins, they have two goalies right now that are studs. And if the Boston Bruins want to win a Stanley cup, I think they have to end up trading one of those guys before the deadline to gain a first line center. Yeah.

All right. Uh, biz has been awesome. Last question, row back question. RHOBACK.com use promo TAKE20% off your first purchase, QZips, Polos, Hoodies, Joggers, Shorts. Last question, rowback question, what's the worst regime? I'm gonna look at the standings right now. One more time.

Well, it's just hard. I don't wanna be critical and then speak out of turn. I look at the donkey. Let's do this. What's a regime that's in transition? That's a better way to put it. They're in transition. That's not good or bad. That just means they're kind of figuring things out. Okay. We'll go back to Columbus with the fact that the current regime was the one who vetted, and I say that with quotation marks, Babcock to bring him back in. And then he didn't even end up coaching a game for that team. He got fired before he'd even coached a game.

Um, the Yarmulkeka line in the GM was just fired not too long ago. And they're in the midst of looking for a new GM and then Davidson is currently stepped in. So I would say Columbus right now is one that is looking to reestablish, but they've had a tough go for as long as I can remember. So they've never really had an incredible regime. Yeah, although I think that Yarmul did a great job there and I heard he's an unbelievable guy. That is just one that is facing some turbulence. That's a good answer. What if Mike Babcock saw you on the street? Would it

be on site? Would he try to fight you? I don't know. I got nothing against but I have nothing personal against this guy other than but you got fired for being a fucking idiot and abusing your power. You went away and said you you you did some some dig you dug deep You went and did some soul searching and you figured it all out and then now you're looking at dick pics in your players phones So you're seeing you're seeing your players wives mama Jammas Jammed up when they on the road and maybe they wanted a little pick me up for a for a tug at the hotel room And now you're looking at it. Come on man

So that maybe that's the lesson in all of this don't get help if he had never gone and got help and just been like yeah I'm still a dick Then there's no story. I Bet your chest not checkers right You're on to something like hey guys. I'm like Babcock. I'm a huge fucking ass What kind of help do you get where you go? You like checking the. Hey guys, I'm Mike Babcock. I'm a huge fucking asshole. What kind of help do you get when you go and you like checking the therapy and you're like, yeah, I can't stop looking at pictures of my players cell phones. Like that's not I don't

think that's something that psychiatrists are equipped to deal with. That's true. I think that's a one off and going back to what you said big cat like then I guess you would just be urban Meyer. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, no, just stay being sick. Yeah, yeah. Just over. I have one theory I want to throw at you. I get one caps question per hockey interview. I love it.

With the OV goal chase, which is, that's what I'm rooting for now is I'm an Alexander Ovechkin fan. I want to see him score, I want to see him pass Wayne Gretzky. It feels like the league has not really been all in like promoting the accomplishment when you weigh it against like how great of an accomplishment that it is.

It feels like- Buddy, we're fucking two years away from him breaking. How are you talking about it? I don't know if it's two years. How many more goals does he have left? He needs to get a little over 50. I want to say he's at like 51 or 52. At his age, he's not scoring 50 holes next year. My

theory though is that the NHL is not promoting as much because of the whole Putin connection. What do you think about that? No, because every time we have Washington on the broadcast and we do, it's the first thing we talk about we put them on the ISO cam on the ice. This guy's about to break the record. Like what do you want them to do? I'd like I'd like a parade every time he scores a goal. I'd like just well he what the other thing too is is what one of the stories

was at the beginning of the year he wasn't scoring and he was like looking slow and all of a sudden people were worried as to whether he would even break it. So if anything they were helping him out by not drawing too much attention to it. Yeah. So I should be now. Thank you. should be thanking you. Thank you. Thank you, Paul. Thank you. You're welcome.

But as of late, he went on an eight game goal scoring streak. So now he's back in that trend. So he's got two years left after this year on his contract. I think next year he'll probably get whatever, 30, 35 goals. And then the following year is when you're really going to see this this kind of parade as you're describing start. It's going to be a stroke off fast double wrist or every goddamn game that he's on the broadcast. You did this whole interview in your bed. I'll put I'll put

mascara on it. Give him a double wrist right for you. Okay. Oh, I appreciate that. Thank you. I'll give him a, what's up? No, I appreciate that I was gonna say thank you. Yeah, no you can keep going. Did you guys send the Drake video? How big is this hog? I will send it but it's a federal crime to send it. I'll still send it though.

Oh you can't, oh how about this one? I don't know if you guys heard this story. So, guy who got picked up off by waivers for the Arizona Coyotes, they had like a Gala night to raise money for charity. And I think you'd only played three games for the team. And I don't know if he was trying to send this videos

to his buddies via DM. I don't know if he was trying to text it to him, but he was just so banged up. But he had a video of a plate of cocaine with his amEx car. Yeah. And then and then he showed it and then switched it around to like the selfie style. And then he's like chomping on the vial that had more.

Oh, no. He got he got put on waivers. He's done. And the team, the team was oh nine-9 and 1 in their last 10. You can't be flexing vials like who's net sob, like you just want a medal at the Olympics or something, right? Only caps players can get away with that, right, PFC? Yeah, no, that's a Putin connection.

Again, yeah. All right, well, Piz, hopefully we see you soon, right? Are you going to come to the office? We're going to see you soon? Yeah, if I'm not too tired. Okay. All right. He did do this in bed so you can go.

You can just shut your eyes right now and take a little nap. You might have mono. That's actually all I do now. I do inner interviews on podcast and then the middle I'm done. I go back to sleep. Well, we love you, Biz. Thank you. We'll have you back on come playoff time and you're the best man.

I love you guys. Don't pay guys out there. Don't be posting your your co-cabets on on Instagram Yeah, and don't be doing in general too much fentanyl out there. Yeah smoke some dope. Yeah, good point Good point. That's your that's your drug message from biz. All right. See you biz and now for something completely different Okay, we now welcome on a recurring guest very special guest it is Jay billis from ESPN You can hear him. It is his time of year We're getting closer and closer to March conference championship week college basketball is front and center Jay, um, I want to do this because we like you. I want to do this in a Is respectful way as possible to have this debate

Why are you trying to arrest college kids? i'm not trying to arrest college kids Uh, and i'm sure you guys are among the masses for which nuances this uh, this thing you can't grasp But all I said was we're not changing court storming. It's not going to stop. They don't want to stop it. So when they say they do, they're not telling the truth. If they wanted to stop it, they could stop it tomorrow. And that's when I said the thing about you could just issue citations. Nobody would do that anymore. If they wanted to stop it, it's not that big of a

deal. They don't want to stop it because they like the visual of it and And it sounds like you guys do too But I mean being completely honest about it's not part of the game Like the game's over and if you think about like let me ask you guys What's the best place in America and the most passionate and the best the place the one place you'd want to see a basketball game The USS Intrepid I would aircraft carrier. I would say wake for us standing at center court after they beat Duke That would be the number one So it wouldn't be Allen Fieldhouse at Kansas. I guess yeah, Allen Fieldhouse. Yeah, that would be pretty good

What was the last court storming they had there? Well, they're really, really good. When was the last time Kansas has been court stormed on? Yeah, because they're really good. I guess if Kansas was an underdog at home and you had like the number one team of the country coming in and Kansas was ranked somewhere between 10 and 25 and they won at home, I could see them storming the court there.

Cause that's happened. That's happened there. It doesn't happen. Okay. What if Kansas? They beat you. They beat Yukon. They beat Yukon earlier. It doesn't happen. Yeah. My point is it's the best environment for a game, and they don't have that. It doesn't change the fact that it's incredibly passionate. Have you guys been there?

I have not. I want to. It's a bucket list for me, for sure. It's freaking unbelievable. It's unbelievable. Before the game for sure. It's freaking unbelievable. It's unbelievable before the game There are very few places I go To broadcast a game where right before the game. I have my phone up to get to get video of it because it's so cool The court storming thing look I'm not gonna talk people out if you love it. I'm not trying to talk you out of it I my perspective is fans don't belong on the court ever and players don't belong in the stands ever.

That's, I don't think that's a controversial thing. If you guys wanna do that, then do it. I'm not trying to talk you out of it, but don't tell me we can't stop it. Yeah. If we want to. It is, it's interesting because every conference has such different rules when it comes to enforcing penalties about court storming.

Like you've got some conferences, I think the SEC is the most hardcore where they find you like $100,000 for the first time you do it. And then there are some conferences where it's like, yeah, we just don't have rules about that. If there was like a uniform rule that might help a little bit, but I think you're right, it's not-

Wouldn't help at all, wouldn't help at all. Because the SEC, they're happy to pay it Did you guys see what happened in South Carolina early this year South Carolina wins a game? I don't know who they be. Maybe they beat Kentucky. I don't remember They stormed the court one of the people storm in the court was the president emeritus of the University and he put out video He put out that rock. Yeah, that's cool though. That's rock. You know, you meet it. Can you admit that? That's kind of awesome like it or you can meet it. Can you make that that's kind of awesome? Like it or you can like it or not like it. All I'm saying is, don't tell me that they

want to stop it. They don't. They said they were happy to pay the fine. Okay. They want the visual. They use it in recruiting. They love it. Great. You can love it. I'm not trying to talk anybody out of love in it. Love it all you want to. And but like when they say, oh, the NBA doesn't have the same kind of passion, how old are you guys? You guys remember the 1980s when Larry Bird couldn't get off the floor after they beat the Lakers in the garden?

Like they stopped all that stuff because it's dangerous, man. And it's dangerous now. And we've had significant injuries over the years to fans Some to players and we've already had two instance instances this year with Caitlin Clark and Kyle Philippowski It's something bad is gonna happen and when it does we're gonna have the audacity to be surprised at it No, I will not I will not be surprised. I will not I won't be a hypocrite We should say though Caitlin Clark and Kyle Philippowski both did not did not get injured Kyle Phil Palski did not get injured

He's sore. He was an ankle. That's an injury. It was it was an ankle then a knee then no No, it wasn't he John Shire misspoke. Okay, okay He misspoke at a press conference because he didn't have all the information. Well, he's playing either did we he's playing tonight The only thing with the Kansas thing like I think that's a little disingenuous because Kansas is Kansas and there's only one Kansas Like there are certain blue bloods in the country Genuine it's not disingenuous, but there's certain there's certain blue bloods in the country means lying Okay, but there's certain blood nobody okay, so so then tell me whatever word that you want to use there. I think that you're using a very specific example of Kansas

to prove a wider point that doesn't really apply to anyone else. Kansas is Kansas. Like, they are blue blood. They have a storied tradition. It's court storming yet. Of course, it hasn't happened at Kansas. It happens everywhere else.

It's fun. It's college sports. It doesn't happen everywhere else. OK. It does not happen everywhere else. It doesn't happen where the blue bloods. You're college. It doesn't happen everywhere else. Okay. It does not happen where the blue bloods You're right. It doesn't happen the blue bloods It happens in 90% of the stadiums in the country and it is fun. You were just just ingenious there You said it happens everywhere else. All right. It happens 90% is that that's better. All right, and Kyle Philbowski did not get injured It is part of college sports. It's college fans being passionate.

It is unique to the sport. It's partly why I love the sport, that you have this idea of an underdog at home. I know Wake Forest wasn't an underdog, but a team knocking off a ranked opponent and this big incredible celebration of the game. And I love it. I love every part of it.

Can I interrupt for a second? Yes. Can I interrupt for a second? Yes. What did I say at the beginning? If you like it, I'm not going to talk you out of it. Yeah. I don't care whether you like it or not.

That's great. You know, we can talk about ice cream flavors, you know, if you want next and I like chocolate, you don't. I don't care. If you like it, that's great. I'm not trying to talk anybody out of it. If you wanna have court stormings at your school, go ahead.

I don't care. Just don't tell me you can't stop it. Because that's what people are saying. That I agree with, we can't stop it. No, that I agree with, you could stop it. I don't want them to stop it, but you're right. You could stop it, so we can agree on that. And I also think that the-

But that's all I said. Caitlin Clark and Kyle Phil Palski did not get hurt. So I like. Kyle Philpalski. OK, now you said, first you said injured. Yeah. So how do you define injury? He got treatment over it.

Does that, that, so that doesn't mean injury. Don't they get treatment after every game? It wasn't a cat. No, they don't. It wasn't a catastrophic injury. Got it. But he got, he got injured. I think that there will be a time when something bad happens

on the court. And then I don't think that we're going to look back and say, like, oh, we had no idea this would happen. It's not part of the actual game of basketball, but it's part of the bigger spectacle of college basketball, which is, I think, it's good for the sport to have a fan base so enthusiastic that they go on the court, they celebrate with their team. I actually have a way to solve this. That might be better than

your idea of resting everybody. My idea is that you just allow the players to punch people in the face if they get too close to them. So you let the players defend themselves on the court. And then you think twice that it becomes more of a fair fight. Well, I know you're joking, but no, I'm actually serious. It would be kind of like they can do that now. Like if Kyle Filipowski had decided or any player had decided they were going to muscle their way off the court and they injured a fan, there would be no people would criticize it. But there would be no action taken

because Kyle Filipowski or whatever player belongs out there and fans don't. So you talk about assuming the risk. Yeah, exactly, as a fan. But there's one thing that happened there. We showed all that in slow motion and people were trying to break it down like there's a Pruder film.

When you showed in fast motion, they were coming at him in a hurry. I don't know what was said or what at you know, all the stuff that went into that. But I know that the way everybody reacted, that was not just people passing by each other like they weren't in New York City Street. Yeah, no, I don't put any blame on Kyle Philpowski in this. I think that we can agree on that.

Like people who are breaking it down being like, he shoved this guy, like you can look at that situation and you could ask 100 people and it could be 50 people seen it one way, 50 people seen it the other. Well, people will never agree on that. Is there a part of you though, Jay? Like you played at Duke, obviously. You weren't part of the student section.

Is there a part of you that might have a little bit of a blind spot? Like we're speaking from the perspective of the regular fan. Like I remember when I was at Wisconsin, we stormed a court for a game, stormed a football field for a game. Like those are memories that I'll have forever.

Is there maybe a little bit of a blind spot here where you're the player's perspective, we're the fans' perspective and that's where the disconnect is. No. Okay. I mean, I don't know how many times I can say this. I'm not trying to talk you out of liking it.

If you want to do it, I'm not going to stop you. I don't care. Go ahead. You know, I don't understand what the problem is in this discussion. You know, you seem to be coming at me with, you know, my perspective. I don't think it's necessary. I tend to put the participants safety above,

you know, like you're liking it or your memory and all that, if you want to do it, that's great. But so there are a lot of different solutions we could have. We could say, you go with some of the people who said, how about we have a one minute period to let everybody get off the floor? Why just one minute?

They can't shake hands, they can't interact afterwards, players can't celebrate together. I don't know. So we're gonna put a shot clock on it, or then we say, okay, we'll cordon off the players with something to do so they can do their handshake line, everybody can jump around. You know, there are a million things that you could do to make it a little bit safer.

A million things you could do. All I said was, don't tell me we can't stop it. They don't want to stop it. That's my main point. They don't want to stop it. They want the visual. They're not worried. Like the administrators don't care about the fact that you liked it. They want the visual. They're not worried. Like the administrators don't

care about the fact that you liked it. They don't care. They want the visual of that because they take pictures of it and video and they put it up all over their materials and their locker rooms and all that stuff so they can sell it. That's what the that's the business there in. But you can't like, I think it's contradictory to say player safety is number one. But where court stormings are okay. Those two things don't go together. Because the players are going to get hurt. And the fans are going to get hurt. And the fact that doesn't happen more often, we've been lucky. We've been lucky. Yeah,

so I do think we just agree to disagree on parts of this. But I'm not I'm not trying to come at you. I respect where you're coming from, where it's like you are right, that if they wanted to stop it, they could stop it. We totally agree on that. And it seems like they're setting themselves up for a future lawsuit, the way that you're framing this right now,

the way, if you think about it from the perspective of a college administrator, and they are turning a blind eye to it, and you're saying at some point, somebody's gonna get hurt. There's enough of a paper trail there that exists already to the point where they could be held liable

for an injury that happens to a player on the court like you should have known better. Which is why I think that they eventually will change. I know that they like it, they like the visual, but I do think that the rules gonna change just because now you've got lawyers that are going to be involved and you should have known better.

They've already been involved. they've already been involved. They've already been involved. They've known this for decades. They know it. You know, so do we stop short of tear? What do we do in football? Is it okay to tear the goalposts down and carry those off? I don't know.

Do whatever you want. That's their school. I don't care what they do. That's their school. But you know, it would be in my role when somebody asks me my opinion, I give it. And I'm not trying to talk again, I'm not trying to talk you out of liking it. People can think that that's the greatest thing ever. And I wouldn't watch a game if they couldn't storm the court. That's fine. Do whatever you want. But my thing was,

it's pretty simple. Players don't belong in the stands and fans don't belong on the court. And what are they allowed to run out 10 seconds before whether dribbling out the clock? Where do we draw any lines here? What about you know, now I asked this of a friend of mine, I said, what if in the Duke Carolina game in Chapel Hill earlier this year, what if Duke had won? Could their fans have run out on the court and celebrated the Duke win? They would have been wrestled to the ground by security. That would have been funny. That would have been fun. Yeah. You know, wouldn't that have been a fun thing?

What a great memory for them. Yeah. No, that would have been fun. That would have been fun to watch like a just like a a smattering of Duke fans try to get out there and just have like a battle royale. That would have been fun It would have been great Can we can we find some common ground when it comes to the storming fields storming courts because you mentioned tearing the goalpost down? When Tennessee did that the other year and they carry the goalpost with them through downtown Knoxville through it into the river

Can we just admit that that was awesome? That's pretty fun It's fun. I mean, okay, okay, It's fun. It's fun to do a lot of things. Yeah, it's fun to do a lot of illegal things. Yeah, it's fun to do that shit with your friends. Yeah, no, it is. Yeah. Like, I'm not arguing like, I'm not arguing any of these points. I'm not going to tell you what you think is fun. Okay, you can think whatever is fun that you want. Okay, I actually think we agree more than we disagree here. Like I respect your...

Took you a long time to get there. Well, I think you also kind of... You conceded that we're funny and we have some good ideas. You got here. We're both getting there. We're switching back and forth, but we're getting there. No, this happened. You met us. No, no, you met us a little bit because I think you're... You know, if you were a fan, you would, you would storm the court. I think I also think Jay, maybe I've never been a fan. Right. That's the, you haven't maybe, maybe a little bit, maybe, maybe just a little bit of it has

to do with the fact that you went to Duke. Yeah. Maybe a tiny, tiny bit. Hmm. All right. I hate to break this to you, but we talked about this three weeks ago on college game day. You can go back and look at it. It's all out there. It's all over social media. And I said the exact same things I

told you, players don't belong in stands, fans don't belong in the court, somebody's going to get hurt, and we're going to act surprised, and that's going to be an issue for a little while. And then we're never going to stop it. I said this three weeks ago and and then it just so happened it three weeks later um like I don't I'm not and I told you so guy but all of it came true. Well except for the hurt part. Now he got hurt and it maybe the injury wasn't enough for you. So I'll come and I'll come and sprain your knee and then you claim that I'm fine. I don't I I live life with two sprain knees. Yeah.

Yeah. All right. So I've been healthy for years. So Jay, let's talk a little other college ball. We'll put this to bed. You obviously, you call all the games, you watch the game, you're part of the game. Give me a team or two that you've seen. It always happens late February, early March

that is starting to play their best ball. And maybe there's a national thought of like, oh, we saw this team in Thanksgiving. We saw this team early in January. They aren't good, but if you're not watching out for them, they're starting to put it all together night in and night out. I think Illinois is starting to trend in that direction.

I thought they were really good at the start of the year and then Terrence Shannon Jr Was charged with a felony in Kansas and then through a legal some legal maneuvering got reinstated They're starting to they're starting to look like they could do some real damage there They don't have a true point guard which some people think is a big problem. I don't think it's a big problem South Florida is another team that's trending a little bit like Florida Atlantic did last year, even though they're in a bigger conference this year, the Florida Atlantic was last year. And actually, I think Florida Atlantic is probably a better team this year than they were last year. Yeah. You know, they're in a different league. So their record isn't quite as good. They played

a much more different schedule than they did last year, but they've got basically the same players. And not many teams have a seven footer like Vlad Golden that he can go toe to toe with anybody. As long as he stays out of foul trouble, their efficiency numbers are off the charts. Those are the ones that come to mind, but the real surprises, you can't call out in advance,

because they're surprises. But there are some teams that I think have a better chance. I'll be interested to see, like, you know, this year it's been, we've had more sort of top 10 teams, which we go by the AP poll, which I'm not sure is a very good measure, frankly, but that have been beaten by unranked teams this year. And I think we're getting for the record. But it seems like there have been beaten by unranked teams this year. I think we're getting toward the record, but it seems like there have been more than normal.

We're saying a lot of, man, the tournament is going to be wild. Anytime we say the tournament is going to be wild, it isn't wild. Anytime we think we got it knocked, then it's crazy. We'll see what happens, but the tournament is a different animal than the regular season. And, you know, people tend to forget this, but when you, when, when the things bracketed,

and, you know, you've got your, you know, your, your path, you know, your first two weekends, in your region, you know, one of the things to remember is 75% of the best teams in the country aren't in your region. Right. And last year, Florida Atlantic should have been out in the first round. They were one egregious Memphis turnover at the end of the game for being out in the first round. And then they move on to the second round and Purdue inexplicably got beat by Fairleigh Dickinson. So that's a pretty good first weekend to survive Memphis

and then have to play a 16 seed in the second round. So things happen in the tournament that are unusual. And you get a benefit by kind of what happens in your, your, your bracket. Yeah, Jay, I want to give you credit for something and not come at you at all for this. In fact, we've kind of agreed with you over the last several years, you've been fighting the good fight about players getting paid, about the NCAA artificially deflating players' value and worth, and all the stuff that they've been up to for the last, feels like, 40, 50 years.

So you were ahead of the curve on that. You were the loudest, I think, in the media that's been speaking about it for the longest amount of time. Now we're in a place where it's kind of like no rules, and the NCAA still feels like they have a need to enforce rules that don't exist. If you were the commissioner and the NCAA still feels like they have a need to enforce rules that don't exist. If you were the commissioner of the NCAA, if you were in charge of everything,

where would you go moving forward in terms of setting any rules up regarding NIL? Is it your place to do that as a collegiate sports organization or what do you think that the future should look like with players and their ability to get paid and how it affects their college careers? Yeah, it's an interesting question. I would, there wouldn't be any rules.

I would have it operate just like normal business does. If there were no rules and the schools could just pay the athletes directly, the natural consequence of that or probable consequences, they would sign the players to multi-year contracts. So you put a contract in front of a player. If you can sign them to scholarship papers and a national letter of a tent,

you sign them to a contract. Yeah. Sign them to a contract and say if I'm signing one of you, I put a contract in front of you and I say, hey, here's a four-year deal for $500,000 a year plus a scholarship. And you would say, I'm not sure I want to stay for years. I'll sign a two year deal and then we'll decide what to do then or

I'll give you an option for a third. You negotiate that out and then I'll say, but I want to buy out in there. So if you leave, if you go pro, if you go to the NBA or you decide you want to transfer to another school, you're going to owe me $500,000 a year. That's interesting. Buy out, just like. Yeah. And it would be normal business. It's really not that difficult.

And then another school could say, we'll pay you $5.50 a year. And then you have to determine which offer do I want to take if money is the deciding factor. Money is just a factor. Maybe a lower offer isn't going to stop you from going to Kansas or Yukon or whatever It's really not that difficult and that way the transfer portal is not as big of an issue I may not be an issue at all

But at least that way you have some roster certainty and cost certainty and everybody knows what everybody else is worth It's not that big of a deal. We do it with coaches administrators It's amazing how the rest of American business can operate without guardrails and Congress and all these things. It's all nonsense. The NCAA just wants to be able to continue to violate federal antitrust law into their business, and they're not going to be able to do that anymore. It's an interesting take. I could see world where that works. Now, if that world does exist and you're giving players multi-year contracts, there would be an unintended consequence to that rule.

You would get five, six teams that are stacked, loaded with talent, the ones with the big budgets, and then it would just be a competition between those five or six teams every single year it feels like. Now, that's not something that I don't think the law has no place like our laws in America have no place telling a player what they're worth, what they're not worth. But that is something that the sport would have to reckon

with would be just an overload of talent at the top. And then, you know, the also rands wouldn't have as much of a chance. I differ with that viewpoint. I think most reasonable economists would tell you that's not how it's going to work. What money, what being able to pay is going to do is spread talent around more. It is not going to concentrate talent. If that were true, all the best coaches would be on the same coaching staff. They're not going to do that.

One, nobody's going to pay that way. It's just simple economics and simple business. Nobody's going to do that. Nobody's going to pay that way. It's just simple economics and simple business. Nobody's going to do that. You're not going to have the three best quarterbacks going to the same school. Then that's not going to happen. What will happen, and it's more, now you may have individual decisions that vary a little bit. But generally, what will happen is smaller schools with smaller budgets can afford to pay more for somebody else's third best player, then they're willing to pay for that third best player. And so you can be the best player somewhere else

and make more money than if you're the third best player somewhere at a bigger place and make less money. Did I say less money before? More money, you make more money as the best player at a smaller budget school, then you can make as as the best player at a smaller budget school, then you can make as the third best player at a bigger budget school. They might not be willing to pay you as much. Talent will be spread around. We've already seen it with NIL. NIL and the transfer portal had spread talent around, not concentrated. I agree with you too, just in the fact that when

everyone freaks out about NIL and they're like, well, this school is going to just pay every single recruit this amount of money. And it's like, well, this school is gonna just pay every single recruit this amount of money. And it's like, well, where's the money coming from? And will there be a point where the people who are paying the money are like, hey, you know what? Investing in the 18 year old and their future, like in this situation, this two, three year situation, is maybe not the soundest investment over and over,

where it's like they get a little gun shy and then you have it kind of return to a normal level where not one school is just paying millions and millions of dollars every single year to 18 year olds that are unproven. Well, they're going to do it. They do it. They do it in the NFL, the NBA, they're gonna do it.

They're gonna pay for the best talent. The NFL is a little different because it's like you, I mean, well, it's actually set up with contracts. I think it's already happening in college football. We're talking about contracts. Yeah, yeah. It's already happening in college football a little bit where you have these NIL collectives

and they get players in and they put a lot of money towards them and then they can go into the portal with this. And then they're like, wait, I just paid $500,000 for one year of a player in this situation where you have the contract in front of you, I actually do agree with you. I think that multi-year contracts and setting it up like any other business in America

is probably the best way to go about it. But I also think that the NCAA and the group, the school presidents that get together inside these rules, they like having as much control over the players as possible. And they're not gonna let, they're not gonna give that up lightly. So they keep inventing new rules for themselves to enforce. Yeah, but the problem is they violate

federal anti-trust law by doing it. And there's a court case coming down the tracks Adam called the house case. They're going to lose that case. And that's for revenue. The players are suing for revenue. So the NCAA stands to lose about four to $5 billion in that case, and they're going to lose, and they know it.

That's why they're begging Congress for an antitrust exemption and for federal law. They're gonna lose. And when they do lose, who's gonna pay it? How are they gonna get the money? Where's the money gonna come from? They're gonna take it from the member institutions. And they're still inertia

and there's still a lack of movement for, you know, one, they should go to Jeffrey Kessler who's litigating that case on behalf of the players. They should go and try to settle that case and work out a framework with Kessler that everybody can live with. But if this keeps going the way it is, the NCAA is, you know, they could cease to exist at some point What about who's gonna pay at court-storming fines? That's it. Well, that comes from the individual schools. Yeah. Now. Yeah. Yeah Now we got a perfect ecosystem set up in a Collective yeah, Jess. I would just want to cover all the court storming. Yes. Yes the court storming collective

Yes, it sounds like all the fans like you that have this this great memory will pony up So I think yeah should make a donation. I will right now. I'll leave it for the front Yeah, 10% of your salary a year should cover done. Yeah, I do think so Jay I mean we can admit that like the the act of storming a court It can be fun for some people. Some other people don't like it. But let's not discount the fact that it does add to the environment of college sports. Right. It improves, I think, the sport overall, the the image that we have of college basketball, it's hand in hand with this fan passion and the memories that people do have when they're at schools,

they become, you know, the sport, the love for the sport becomes more ingrained in them for the rest of their lives. And it ends up helping the sport a little bit with revenue over the next, you know, 20, 30 years. Big Cat's still a huge Wisconsin fan, not because he's stormed the court, not because he's stormed the field, but it adds into that collective memory that he has

about his time there. Yeah. And makes more passionate fans in the long term, which I do think is beneficial for the overall game. Good point. Thank you. I don't agree with that.

I think if it ended tomorrow, we would see the same passion and the same ratings and the same level of engagement that we always see. We don't lead with that. It's an interesting thing that happens. They do like the visual, but they use it individually. Each individual school uses it for their own purposes. That's great. Keep doing it. I don't think it matters one bit because it hasn't changed anything in the popularity of the NFL.

They used to storm the field in the NFL. They don't do it anymore because they've stopped it. They deem player safety and the safety of others more important, fan safety, all that, that's more important. So that's fine. I mean, look, I'm not arguing with you. I'm not trying to change your perspective on what you like and what you don't like. That's fine with me. Now, the thing about whether it,

we're gonna see a dip in fan interest if we stop it, I don't think we will, because the overwhelming majority of the games don't have one anyway. Yeah, all right, I got two last questions for you, Jay. We appreciate it. This is a good discussion. We're agreeing to disagree.

We're having a very respectable discussion here. Healthy debate. Healthy debate. Healthy debate. This might not be as healthy. I saw a tweet that there was a dog that ran on the court in a game in Chile. Do you want that dog put down? No, I want the dog's owner put down.

OK, well, that's fair. That's fair. Yeah. I mean, if you have, like, I don't know if you saw that, but somebody could have been bitten on the ankle injured very bad or yeah or like Kyle Phil Palsy could have gotten his tail wagging I think you make it on my leg. I think you make you know You guys making fun of this is really unseemly like that that crujo type creature running out on the court

Putting everybody at risk. Yeah. I would have I would have tasered the dog. Okay. And then he's been eyes the owner. And my dog probably saw this video and was like, Oh, I can run on a court now. It sets a bad example. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. You're just encouraging bad, huge behavior. Yes. And I would have I would have clubbed that dog like a baby seal that all would have stopped. Alright, so I my last question, Roback question,

RHOBACK.com, he's provoked code take 20% off first purchase QZS, polo's, hoodies, joggers, shorts, everything. Roback.com. This is a tough question. And I'm putting you on the spot. But can you give me your top three coaches in college basketball right now, not from resume, not, oh, this guy won a title 20 years ago, but in terms of what they're doing right now, schematically, and how they're coaching the game. Do you have that?

Yeah, Josh shirts at Indiana State would be number one. I don't know if you've watched that. Yep. It's like watching a European protein that's been together for a long time. It's like watching a European protein that's been together for a long time. It's just magnificent. And he's a great example of, you know, a Division II coach, you know, kind of like Bo Ryan was at Wisconsin-Plattville, you know, kind of operating in near anonymity. And, and while all these college assistants are getting jobs, they're ignoring this, I get it, it's difficult to identify all these guys, but I would say Josh shirts number one Nate Oates at Alabama I would put up there, you know Nate is doing an amazing job at Alabama

He's putting out a ton of NBA prospects, but also the way they play, you know, it's sort of analytics-based And if you notice now a lot of what they're doing they're catching the ball in the run So they're just not catching it, getting in triple threat position like everybody coached years ago. They're catching on the run. They're really hard to guard when the ball moves offensively. They're ridiculous. And then I think Tommy Lloyd is, is doing that in Arizona. And, you know, he was an assistant at Gonzaga for 20 years.

And one of the, one of the big reasons that Gonzaga has been so successful all these years, but off the top of my head head I would say those three that wouldn't be sort of the traditional, you know, Bill Seltz resume or Tom is a resume guys that are doing something different that are elevating the game and kind of evolving it. That's a good answer. I like it. Great answer, Jay. Yeah. Thank you for joining us. Yes. It's been a good debate. Good discussion. I seriously though, IJ, I appreciate you joining us because I knew I think you probably knew we would we would disagree at points and I do think it's Lost in sports media where people just screaming each other and no one ever listens to each other

And I'm happy you came on and explained your your your side and we found a little bit of each other Screaming each other is not lost in media. I don't know what you guys are watching. No, I'm saying it's lost. No, I'm saying that that's all anyone does actually having a discussion. Oh, I see. Yeah, and talking about it and hearing someone else's side, whether you agree or disagree, just talking about it,

that is lost. Yeah, I mean, and that's why I think we do agree. Like, I don't, you know, like, you you can like it not like it. I don't care I mean I respect that fact You know, I think my position was pretty clear But in today's world people take it and do other things with it. I'm good with that I'm not clapping back at people. I don't really care They can take and do what they want with it what I said was pretty clear

So I don't have a problem with any of it I do have one problem though with your use of agree to disagree Mm-hmm. I've never understood what that means. Why can't we just disagree? No, no Disagree if you agree to disagree no, we don't agree. I don't need an agreement Oh, well now this is getting contentious again now like if you take away the agreement then I just we just disagree and we hate each other. I disagree to agree now. Yeah. I haven't I haven't signed out. I haven't signed any paper that indicates an agreement to disagree. No, there's actually there was a little line that you missed when you joined the

zoom that said that was that right? Yeah, any disagreements we agree to disagree on at the end. Well, I'm glad we agree to disagree. I don't I don't I'm glad we agree to disagree. I don't, I don't, I, I, Oh, if you say we disagree. No, I disagree. We just disagreed, what would happen? I disagree to agree with you now.

And Jay, Jay, Well, if we disagree, if we just disagree, then it's on site. If I see you, it's on site. I disagree to agree. Yeah, use that next time. Also, if you just want to get your word out to the unwashed masses,

if you want to get your point across, you can just say, I think court storming is overrated and then you'll have a debate overrated or overrated. Exactly overrated or underrated. Yeah. And uh judging court storms and should they storm was this a storm worthy game? Yeah. Uh yeah. We're going to run out of. It was category five. Yeah. Where's it falling to Fujita scale? I also don't Jay. I also because you know now we've now you did the agree to disagree thing. I don't really like the fact that you're like mr. Smarty pants Duke guy who's just saying oh that's not what that word means and all that stuff Well, but this ingenious is calling somebody a liar. Well, not exactly. I went and looked it up It said slightly dishonest and insincere which I think I kind of nailed dishonest

Slightly slightly dishonest and insincere not I didn't call you straight-up liar okay so I'm just a slightly dishonest I call you you're you're a listen you were disingenuous with the Kansas thing you're an actual liar when you say Kyle Philipowski was hurt that makes sense no I actually think that big guy was paying you a compliment when he called you disingenuous because he knows that you're smart enough to understand the difference between Kansas fans standing in the court and maybe like a university

of Rhode Island knocking off a top 10 team at home and their fans storming the court. You're too smart for that, Jack. You're smart. I think what it meant is not only did you not know what disingenuous means, but you didn't, you had to look it up. No, I did.

And that's not, I actually knew what that meant when I was in high school. No, you actually still don't know. You didn't understand why I brought up Alan Field up. Oh, I did. And it was disingenuous. It was disingenuous. All right. Well, J. Bill Stake, you very much. Can you be ingenuous? Yeah, you could be ingenuous.

I think Einstein was ingenuous. Yeah, he was. Ingenious. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Good point. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Yeah. Yeah. Okay fine. You read books and all that stuff That's fine All right. Thank you so much. Jay. We really do appreciate what happy back Always always a pleasure. That was awesome. All right. See you man. Take care Jay Okay, let's wrap up the show with pardoning your take

listener submitted takes Henry Okay, let's wrap up the show with pardoning your take. Listener submitted takes, Henry, Henri, doing some reading. I'm just trying to find it. Read it up. Go on and read. Go on with your bad self. Come on, read. And ready set, go read. Come on, come on, come on, come on come on come on come on come on come on what is the worst sports scandal you would want to to team not me them what

is the worst sports scandal you would want to team to experience in exchange for winning a Super Bowl slash championship what what is the worst sports scandal that you would want your team to take folks to experience? It's a good question. It's a good thought starter. Big Cat, would you exchange three Stanley Cups for a really bad scandal about a trainer? No, I would. Yeah, you would. Having your superstar support, the leader of a country that is invading a sovereign nation and slaughtering people. I think I would take that for a Stanley Cup.

What about a Super Bowl, but then they found out that you videotaped everyone? No, if it, so there's a line. By the way, Peter King apologized. He was interviewed today and he said his biggest regret in his career was how he handled the Flake Eat. Wow. That actually feels good, doesn't it? No, them, but yeah, one thing at least he's honest

What's the biggest scandal this is a weird question? One thing people don't talk about enough is the fact that Robert Kraft had a Super Bowl ring stolen by Vladimir Yeah, he did when he visited him. He showed him the ring. I don't think it's stolen. No, well, here's what happened Okay, cuz I read about this the other day I read back on it cuz I was like, oh, yeah, we don't talk about that anymore. He was visiting Putin showed him the ring Putin took the ring from him and just put it in his pocket and then Kraft was like, what do I do now? Then they escort Robert Kraft out of the room. He's like fuck Vladimir Putin has my ring he gets home and he starts talking about the story and the White House or the Maybe the the State Department calls him up and they're like,

hey, it'd be great for us if you could just say that it was a gift to Putin and stop telling everybody that it was stolen. Yeah, Putin took his ring. Yeah. All right, so back to this question. Yeah. I think the big thing is you wouldn't want it to be a scandal

that puts in doubt like astro scandal bad. Yes. I don't know. What's the worst? But you know. Yeah. I was just saying that is one that got technically taken away.

Yeah. Big Cat, would you trade having allegations that you filmed your Super Bowl opponent, allegations that you filmed all your opponents, allegations that you've documented a bunch of false allegations that you're tied in? Wait, if football is all the reporters that have come out and apologized.

Biggest regret of Peter King's career. I'm not done yet. I've not done yet. Murdered three people. No. I'm gonna say no. You never won a Super Bowl, so. I'm just curious if you would take these allegations.

No, I think Max is right. I think it's gotta be like a, one of the ones they take away, a college one they take away, who cares? Yeah. Who fucking cares? You know what's suck? Michigan was a perfect example this year. One of the ones they take away college one they take away who cares. Yeah fucking you know I think Michigan was a perfect example this year because that's like one that people will be at talk shit You're like, I don't care we won you know would suck if you won the world series and your opponent that you beat

It came out that eight of them were gambling heavily to throw the world series Like we don't we talk about the black socks who won that world series The Reds Who did the black socks who won that world series The Reds Who did the black socks lose yet? No one cuz they all they think about is the oh yeah, it was the Reds Yeah, there we go Hank Seem had knew that Yeah, good job Hank where'd it go Hank remembers the red we should remember a real Frank the takeover there That was crazy the 1919 World Series Hank just walking around with that information. Nice. Hello big kitty PFT bonkin honk cake marsh and two soda boy and of course pug pug.

Wow memes no love. Someone I someone this is a good idea I don't know where I saw it but we should make a shirt like maybe part of my take on the front and then the number is 99 with pug as the name I think it should just be a just not or 99 99 pug in the front nothing on the back Just 99 pug 99 pug is actually a good name for a brand Yeah, like you could wear that and if you know that it's part of my take you get it and if you don't it's yeah All right, we got just cool. Yeah. All right, we got 99 pug merch coming. I have to take that Korean barbecue places are the worst concept of a restaurant ever

made and I'm so confused how nobody else agrees and wants to know you all stance. In my opinion, go to a restaurant for other people to cook your food because I'm too lazy to do it myself, but Korean barbecue method goes against all these standards and forces you to pay to cook your own meat. I get it's supposed to be a social experience but I find the whole thing to just be another form of manual labor and even worse than I'm paying others to do the work. So now many of my friends want to have celebrations at these Korean barbecue places and I am forced to miss out on birthday dinners because I refuse to equivocate my pitting

on that matter. Please help me call up Big Korean Barbecue when it actually is. No, here's the problem that they're missing. Cause I've heard this take before. Why would I go and cook my own food? I cook my own food at home. Dishes, dishes. You don't have to do the dishes.

Wagyu. But the dishes is what the worst part about cooking at home is the dishes. What do you mean wagyu? I think the best meal I've ever had in. You have to get a little upset. I didn't understand what you were saying. What do you mean by wagyu?

No, no, no, finish that thought wagyu. It was a fancy ass, like super, super nice New York, Korean barbecue place. So obviously nice restaurants, doesn't matter what it is, the food's always really good. But it was, I think the best meal ever. It's incredible. And it was wagyu melt in your mouth.

I wouldn't want to go every day, but it's awesome. I think Korean barbecue, I think wagyu melt in your mouth. Why were you upset about wagyu? I just didn't know where he was going with that. Isn't that the whole point? They do like meat that you just have to cook for a second? You can get wagyu like anywhere now. Wagyu's all over the place.

Yeah, but not wagyu. You cook yourself. That's true. Touch it down, touch it down. Dishes is the big thing. Melt in your mouth. Dishes is big and also the sides are fantastic and it's a social experience. Right. You're cooking

the food, you're talking about the food. Everyone at the table is like, oh, flip it over now. Okay. He gets other conversations going. It's a fun place to go. A lot of protein, good place to go if you're like on a high protein low carb diet. This guy, I'll say this right now, you're gonna wake up one day, 10 years from now, you'd be like, man, that was really stupid that I was that passionate about Korean barbecue that's very fun to do and a fun thing to do with your friends.

Again, not every night. If someone said, hey, let's go to Korean barbecue every night, I'd be like, no, one, you know, I don't wanna cook every night, but it is fun to do. It's very fun. Wagyu. Wagyu.

Wagyu. Dishes, you don't have to do the dishes. Just think about how you don't have to do the dishes and it will change everything in your brain. Also every time you go to Korean barbecue place, it's such a big crap shoot on what you're ordering. Yeah. And how much it is.

Get the wagyu. Get the wagyu. All right, last one. Some of these aren't takes. We need takes, folks. Bring some takes. This is a good one. The playing games from March Bandage, oh, it's not really the playing games I don't spoil it

uh no spoilers the playing game for March man it should be immediately after the bracket drops on selection Sunday should be all the potential leaven seeds show up to play at a neutral site and I love it to play in some don't love it and go home I love it games tip off 50 minutes after the opponent. I love it. 16 seats get auto bit into tournament and don't play in playing game. We would know the bracket right away rather than having one day

in between playing games and the actual tournament. I love that's a fantastic idea. But it's actually you can do this idea and not take away from the 68. It should just be the bubble. Like the last four bubble should have to play on Sunday night and then they get to play in the playing game.

So like, cause you wouldn't have been in the tournament anyway. It's a bonus game. That would be great, cause then you don't have to complain about the bubble. Although the bubble complain about the bubble is very fun. But here's the thing about the bubble. We always complain about it going up to it. And the minute the brackets out,

no one gives a fuck who didn't make the tournament No Well you get the residual like the clips of the teams that are disappointed they didn't make but there's like a very short shelf life Because everyone just wants to see the bracket they want to put the bracket in their hands I want to fill out the bracket like oh Clemson didn't make it should they get maybe like two minutes from From someone on the desk being like Clemson should have been an okay. Who cares bracket? I like the idea of the bubble tournament. That's a very Clemson should have been in. Okay, who cares? Bracket. I like the idea of the bubble tournament.

That's a very good idea. And you have it in a bubble somewhere and you're ready to go. And do you make the team stick around to watch that aren't playing in it? So if there's every team that's like a possibility to get that seed and they announce which four teams it's going to be in that tournament, do you make the other teams stick around and watch the other teams play for the right to go to the tournament? Wait, so the teams didn't get in, have to sit down?

So how many teams is this guy saying are on the bubble during this announcement? I think it's- They have to fly all of them. I think it's two games. No, no, it's two games, but you have to fly all the teams there for the announcement. Yeah.

And then those teams have to be ready to go and they go practice, they go play. Yeah, I think you have to have, I think you, I think you have eight teams there, four teams make the game. So then the other four, womp, womp. And they have to take a bus back. Yeah. No matter where. I like that. And Frank, the tank drives. If there's a dunk contest and then that, that gives your team the right to go to the tournament. Okay, I like it. This is a good one. That's a good take. I like that because instant games would be great. Yeah. And it doesn't screw up your bracket because you could do the same thing where you'll find out right after the game who's now in the playing game. So it's like bonus games. I like that idea a lot. I also think they should play the NIT.

I think they should rebrand the NIT and they should play it at like 8 a.m. on Thursday and Friday. As appetizers. Yeah, just ease us into some games. It's like two games at like eight o'clock that you could just be like, you know what, I'm just gonna get my feet wet. How many different tournaments are there now?

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and I was like why am I going to business school I just want to gamble. This is but you learn more from that business class than anybody else though. Yeah. I used to drive by this place all the time. The CIT ended in 2019. Ah. COVID shut it down for 2021. It was relaunched and rebranded as the basketball classic

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