Pardon My Take - PGA Champ Xander Schauffele, NBA With Brian Windhorst, Celtics Survive Game 1 And Pardon Your Take

Episode Date: May 22, 2024

Celtics survive Game 1 in overtime against the Pacers and the Oilers win Game 7 to go to the Western Conference FInals (00:00:00-00:15:44). Hot Seat/Cool Throne including remembering old computer games, Antonio Brown going bankrupt, and Marvin Harrison holding out on the NFLPA (00:15:44-00:50:57). PGA Champ Xander Schauffele joins the show to talk about winning his first major, his dad being his swing coach, whether he robbed us of an all time story line, and more (00:50:57-01:23:19). Brian Windhorst joins the show to talk NBA Conference Finals, a brand new way to scout players, ranking the best third option on each team and more (01:23:19-02:09:38). We finish with listener submitted Pardon Your Take (02:09:38-02:24:29).You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/PardonMyTake

Hey, pardon my take listeners, you can find every episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad free on Amazon Music. On today's pardon my take, we have two great guests. We have PGA champ Xander Shoffley fresh off his first major really awesome interview with him talking about winning the trophy on what is it? The Wanamaker? The Wanamaker trophy. Yeah, the Wanamaker. He won the Wanamaker on Sunday. We talk about his final round. Remember when Murakawa like spilled the lid off it? Yeah, that's right. A couple years ago. Yeah, that was great. We talk about his journey through golf. Really cool guy. Awesome interview. And then we have our good friend Brian Winhorse on to talk NBA. Little preview of the conference finals. Also, we have a new way to scout players thanks to Wendy. We're going to talk Celtics surviving game one. We're going to talk Hotsie Cool Throne. Then we got Pardon Your Take. It's all brought to you by our friends at DraftKings. We're this close to crowning an NBA champion with the action heating

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twos. That was Hank, you have to say that was like one of those ones where like we shouldn't have won that game, but we did. No, it was a huge, it was a wake up call win, which are the best types of wake up calls. Yeah. Well, you guys needed, it's also so weird because they needed wake up calls. Like that game felt like it was over and then they took their foot off the gas in the third quarter and all of a sudden Halliburton hits that crazy bank shot to end the quarter. You're like, wait, this is a fucking one possession game. What's going on?

Yeah. Even in the second quarter, they were up a lot and they kind of blew the lead going into halftime. They tied it up. I mean, that's been the Celtics team for the last three, four, five years is being really good, getting up, taking their foot off the gas. Always, always close games no matter what. But they overcame, they were stumbling at the end of the fourth quarter, a couple of really bad turnovers Jalen Brown was not playing good in the fourth quarter, and then he you know came up clutch when it mattered most

It was a crazy shot that he hit to and it felt like the Celtics had the game in hand They were up by three points. They had the ball The Celtics had missed a couple of the game man Pacers had the game in hand Celtics had missed a couple three-point shots to try to tie the game up Pacers advanced the ball past half court, boneheaded turnover, Celtics get another crack at it and then Jalen Brown's three felt like it was off balance. It felt like it had no chance at all in going in. It went in and at that point it was like all the momentum shifted because the Pacers had the game won and they gave it away. And when you give a

game away like that in the last like 20 seconds, it feels like even if it goes into overtime, there's nothing good that's going to happen to you. Yeah. The our guy Stathole just texted me said both teams tonight had a 98% chance to win the game in regulation. Neither team won in regulation. That's pretty crazy. But yeah, that was those things are always so they put their fun to just look at like, Oh man, unless you're a Falcons so yeah, no, they're they but they're fun to just look at be like, oh man Unless you're a falcons fan. Yeah, unless you're a falcons fan uh And the pacers like I thought the pacers were gonna come out flat in this game because they just played a game seven on sunday

Uh two days rest or you know one day off and being like, all right now you got to jump into the celtics They just kept fighting kept making shots. They're just keep shooting. Like I, they cooled off towards the end, but there was a moment in this game where they were shooting like 58% again, you know, insane. And I mean, they look at least like they're in this series. They're games, they're games. They should have won this game. Their game seven was also like half of the game seven because they put that away early. So it's not like they had to fight for an entire entire game against the Knicks. But I was I was surprised that they were able to hang in there for as long as they did. I thought at the end of this game when the cell when the Celtics ended up winning I thought that the Pacers might

be able to build off it. But then I just thought for a little bit longer and this seems like the most demoralizing loss possible. Well it it also was weird because it was, if you remember the last like sequence, I thought it was going to happen on the Derek White rebound where he had that incredible rebound and was just out hustling everyone and they kick it out and Jason Tatum misses a shot. And then the Pacers get the ball back and you're like, now it is officially over. The thing about the Pacers is they're really good offensively, right? They can score a shit load of points, but if it's a close game, they panic. They just smash the panic button. They freak out and their coach was terrible taking his time out. Rick

Carlisle didn't do shit in the last minute of that game that he should have done. I also think Pascal Siakam, like he got stuck in this spot. Jalen Brown can't hit free throws. Hank, you've been talking about it all year. It bothers you. You get scared when he goes to the free throw line. I just, like, in that situation, I'm not a big follow-up three with eight seconds left and more like follow-up three

with five seconds left and under, but when Jalen Brown gets the ball, it's like, it felt like Pascos Yacom was about to foul and then he realized, oh shit, he's gonna shoot and then didn't get a hand in the face. And then you get that, which was an incredible shot by Jaylen Bratton. It was Jaylen Bratton. He hit the shot. He had two free throws at the end of the fourth quarter and he kind of forced the turnover. And he went left.

Yeah. He was dribbling with his left hand. What happened? Gutsy win. What happened to Jason Tatum in the fourth quarter? He scored 10 points in overtime, which is the most. I said fourth quarter. I mean, he missed open shot.

Shooters are going to miss shots. Yeah. He, he, you know, he was awesome in the. Jaylen Brown had a bad beginning in the fourth quarter or like in that middle period where the Pacers kind of took the lead. That was, he had a bad turnover, bad couple of shots. I think a couple of turnovers. Jason Tatum missed a couple of shots. I think a couple turnovers Jason Tate. I missed a couple shots They brought it back

This is the ultimate ultimate game for for the Celtics too because they got they got choked to an inch of their life And then they were able to breathe through it maintain their composure Missoula is doing this and he's probably loving every second of it on the sidelines Yeah, it was a loss It felt like a loss like the players felt like they lost it they had that feeling of like oh fuck I can't believe we lost it at home. We had the lead we choked blah blah blah blah I've been trying not to do that. Uh But but but but but but but no, but you're right a wake-up call and a win is a pretty good wake up

Yeah The only thing you could say positively for the Pacers is that this same thing happened to them in the next series That game won they got screwed and that was a very winnable game. Yep. And they still won that series. Well, we were saying if the Pacers had won this game, Boston loses every game too across all sports. And then the Pacers haven't lost at home since, what, March 18th? March 18th. That's been a long time.

So you were staring down the barrel of a sweep. If you didn't win tonight. Now we're on the other side of the barrel. Yeah, now you're on the other side of the barrel. Now who's got the gun? Our good friend John Feitelberg, I thought, had the best tweet about Jason Tatum. I love fights because whenever the Bruins get bounced from the playoffs, he just switches to Celtics. He said, after watching one Tatum game, I'd like to loudly agree with people who think

he's the best player in the league. I also agree with people who think he's a bum. Now he gots put perfectly. Yeah, that's that's Carl Anthony. Jason Tatum is just how you look at him. Yeah, Hank, here's the thing. Jason Tatum is really good, but he's also a star player that like that's what happens. He had ten points in overtime.

I understand the fourth quarter. Star players get criticized. If Luca puts a dud tomorrow night, we're going to talk about Luca putting up a dud tomorrow night. But still be like, oh, he's the best player in the world. I mean, that that I just said Jason Tatum's a fucking incredible player. But it's always the but. It's always Jason Tatum.

You know what, you know why? All right, I'm done with Jason Tatum discourse. He's incredible. I'm running, I'm running this through the Hank translator right now. Hank is getting so defensive about this because Jason Tatum has never won anything. That's why he's defensive of it. Nothing but success. But if he had, if Jason Tatum was like an NBA Finals MVP

and you were questioning Wade in the fourth quarter, Hank would be like, yeah, he's got to show up there. But because he's Hank's guy and hasn't won anything yet, Hank has to be like, you shut your mouth. He's my special baby. I think Jason Tatum is really fucking good. If you have a really fucking good player, I just want him to take over games. And like the game out over time. Overtime was great. Fourth quarter with the

reason why the Pacers were even in that spot was like there was multiple times. It was like Tatum do it. Go take it. He did it. That that that that layup he hit where TJ McConnell was basically trying to tackle him. Yeah, it's all strength. There you go. Was that I feel like you just only listen to the bad things I say about it It's not you. It's just everyone. Yeah, but you also remember that turnover. I'm not gonna say I can't say bad things There's bad pass off the pick. I can't even exist got a Jason Tatum thoughts. I Can't even exist. Hey, just just when we talk about Jason Tatum picture in your brain that he's already won in NBA finals And then try to absorb it through that filter. I think that's pretty fair. He had 36 tonight, 10 points in the, in overtime.

What are you doing the fourth? He had 10 minutes where he didn't score a point. It's fine. They won the game. Who cares? That's, that's my, that's what I'm saying. If you, before the game started, Jason Tate had 36 points, 10 points overtime, Southwicks win, discourse is not going to be. He didn't show up in the fourth quarter. Well, how is that possible? I just asked a question about the fourth quarter. I said, what about the fourth quarter?

We're processed guys, not results guys. That's facts. And you know that I'm a bottom line guy. And I'm a stat ticker. So if you guys hadn't won this game, what would you have said? It was bad. That it was bad. It would OK.

That's fair. You know what? That's fair. That's a completely fair thing. I think Jason's really good. You know what? That's fair. That's a completely fair thing. I think Jason's James really good It would have been bad for again Both of them played bad in the fourth quarter But then Jalen Brown saved the game and Jason Tatum carried them in overtime. That's all you can ask from your two best players

Alright, so game two. What do you think prediction? Blowout wake up call which way Celtics. Oh wait wake up call in a blowout. No, I've been woken up Yeah, this was already was the perfect ending for you. It was a wake-up call win. Mm-hmm Those are very hard to come by. I know yeah, mm-hmm really really hard to come by yeah That is truly when you have to be a bottom line guy a results guy is after a game like this How many fucking wake-up calls this team? It's a wake- up call every fucking series Suck you haven't played anybody

The paces fucking sucks how many times you're gonna get how many fucking times you're gonna get woken up by team that fucking sucks Max you've seen how Hank likes to sleep in I'm done with it Jason Tatum played like dick in the fourth quarter He was horrible, and then they were finally like yeah, we're playing the fucking Pacers the fucking Pacers We spent the first 10 minutes this show just like either coffee taking a carbonated bottle of max and just open He's also sitting in a sitting in memes and seats, so we can't see him. I had no idea He's just yeah, you're right. We just, we're just needling. What we just did is we just, we just fucked with Mac. It was a slow mo video

putting a Mentos in a Pepsi can and just being like, all right, here we go. And then he comes out and he thought, so what did you just said? No, I mean, it's like, again, when you make it this far in the playoffs you play more games so you Have more opportunities for wake-up calls. That's just simple that's a good point and Hank knows something about a wake-up call Yeah, yeah, sometimes you need several. Yeah, I mean this is the first time you've played a team who actually has their best player Or yeah, what happened we won I guess I guess I'm all fucked up. I'm all come back to it. Yeah, I'm all Allen was is the well down really sound and Mitchell miss games. Yeah, he did miss games

Yeah, he did miss games. Yeah, you're back on track. All right, should we that that game seven? Oilers Canucks, I want to say shout out Vancouver did not riot did not riot It felt like Vancouver was coming back though It felt like they were they were gonna tie it up in the third period after they got the second goal. Yeah, it felt like it was going to happen that that barn was going to explode. And it was the most dominating performance for the first 50 minutes of that game. Like the shots were out of control. The oilers every single time the Canucks got the puck in the oiler zone is like they didn't get a good shot or they didn't get a shot period and and like even the first period like I know is zero zero after one but McDavid played five minutes and they killed a four minute penalty and they were just like you

could just see you're like the others are so much better but I agree like that that last four minutes you're like oh shit is this about to happen yeah it felt like it might but congratulations Edmonton. Canada marches on. I'm just glad that we have a Canadian team that's this far. I want to see a Canadian team. Well, we would have no matter what. I know, I know. Yeah, yeah.

But I'm glad that it's happening. Yeah. Because like when you watch this entire series, whether the game's being played in Edmonton or in Vancouver, the Canadian, the fans seem just like way more amped up than most American fan bases. 50-50 raffle. They walk in the door It's like 600,000. It's incredible. It's not it's they go absolutely ape shit for hockey and I I like watching it so I'm glad I hope they get to the to the finals and I I

Kind of just for our own sake. I hope that Edmonton loses the finals just for the storyline story storyline Just for the story. Sorry, Canada Oh, I'm like who they play if they play the Rangers. I don't yeah if they play the Rangers I'm gonna be yeah, probably rude for although the Rangers win. I will count that as like a Tom Wilson Stanley Cup Yeah, yeah, who? Edmonton, Florida would be fun for people writing stories about how far they have to travel. Yeah, Edmund the Dallas for the same conference That's a sneaky long trip. Yeah, it is. Yeah

It's nothing. I like more than talking about plane trip travel. Yeah. Yeah, Edmunds to Dallas for the same conference. That's a sneaky long trip. Yeah, it is Yeah, it is out. It's nothing. I like more than talking about plane trip travel. Yeah Yeah, we just we just stumbled into Warren Sharpe's Twitter global warming. Yeah, who's got the most miles? All right, anything else before we do hot tea cool to run like I said, we have two awesome interviews Xander Shafly and Brian Winhorse Anything else go on in the sports world today that popped up? And Tony O'Brown, oh I guess maybe did someone have that? Tony O'Brown is bankrupt. Yeah, sad day. Did you have that?

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Oh, I love it. Love it, love it, love it. OK, Hank, hot seat, cool thrum. My hot seat is Antonio Brown. Oh, why? What happened? Oh, he went bankrupt. Oh, no.

Flared bankruptcy. So what's his career earnings? Let's look that up real quick. A lot. Antonio Brown. It's um I'm gonna guess 78 million 89 million. Okay, let's see here. I'm gonna guess 94 million because he wasn't obviously like highly drafted. So he probably had to someone said 79

Yeah, I said 89 He had to... Someone said 79? Yeah, I said 89. I said 78. What is it? 80.7. Ooh. Boatrack.

Ooh. Nice, Hank. So that means he spent $80 million? Well, half for taxes. True. Well, he played in Florida. Another 10... Well, only for a little.

For a little bit. That was very little. And he lived with Tom Brady, so he probably saved some money there. 10% on agent fee. Yeah, so now we're down to he's basically, he was broke the second he got. Pretty much. He stopped playing football. He played for free.

I forgot he was on the Raiders. Yeah, he played for free. Yeah, remember that? Yeah, the hard knocks. Hot air balloon. Yeah. So I hope that the bankruptcy court proceedings are like the last episode of Seinfeld, where they just bring out every single person that he has not

paid money to over the years like whether it's any home Contractor anybody he's had do like video work for him. It's like every six months for a while people were just saying Yeah, I work for Antonio Brown. I was a chef and he never paid me and then he also sexually assaulted me Yeah, I hope they just bring them out one by one in this hearing and have them testify for him I also hope that CTE ES n is not part of this bankruptcy No, that's why he started ctesp n okay, so that those assets could not be touched by a personal bankruptcy got it Yeah, so smart savvy business move. Yeah, he's part. I think any thoughts on it No, it's I feel bad ctesp n yeah, I mean he definitely has cte Do you remember when he was just like jacking off in a pool like a year ago? That was weird. It was really strange

Yeah, really really weird He's successfully done so much weird shit in the last three years has perfect that you completely forget about The next one that he does on to his perfect that one hit He really that was Yeah, I know where you can point to it be like that was that was kind of where things changed All right, who's your cool thrown? My cool throne is Chet Hanks and White Boys. Shit, that was mine too. White Boys on the cool throne?

White Boys back up? White Boys. What'd he say? He, well first, his dad texted him asking about the Drake situation. Wait, who's his dad? Tom Hanks. Tom Hanks, OK.

What's he been in? Catch Me If You Can't. That's the one you go with with Tom Hanks So I feel like it's a saving private Ryan or Forrest Gump. You've got scum is the one one big right? You've got man big big is great. It's good. But what do you Philadelphia? Do you think the number one if you say Tom Hanks time the movie and Tom Hanks Tom Hanks had nothing but success in the movie Philadelphia Yeah

What would you say the number one Tom Hanks, if you pulled 100 people on the street, would it be Forrest Gump? Castaway would sneaky be high. I think, has he done any voices in a kids movie? Yeah, Toy Story. Toy Story, yeah, Woody. Yeah, so it would be Toy Story or Forrest Gump, I think.

You've got mail. Sleepless in Seattle. Same part of Ryan would be big, too. Yeah. People love. Catch Me If would be big too. Yeah. People love- Catch Me If You Can. Goat it.

Great movie, but he also is not the main character. Yeah, no. Goat it. Goat it. Do you think you could do that? Oh yeah. In the 60s? What about now?

Probably not. There's, you know, innovation. So easy to do crimes in the 60s. Oh dude. Like, a hundred years ago, could you imagine? What about now? Probably not. There's, you know, it was so innovation. Yeah. And it's so easy to do crimes in the sixties. Oh dude. Like a hundred years ago, could you just move across, move to the next town? You could murder anyone. You just fucking kill someone and just be like, all right, I'm out.

Yeah. You just get on a horse and you go like 20 miles and no one knows you. Yeah. Wasn't he the first guy to get COVID? Who? Oh, he was one of them. Yeah. Oh, he might've been under.

You remember when he was locked in that Australian prison fair and he had to pretend that he was hosting SNL on the green screen. I remember that first night. They said he had it and everyone thought like, oh my God. Yeah. It was interesting. Yeah. Yeah. It was like a triple whammy of the NBA getting canceled, Rudy Gobert, and then Tom Hanks

locked in jail in Australia. Yeah. And that Georgetown St. John's game. The half, the half time. I was eight, John's game the half that I was at halftime I was a 0 and 1 that week I was on fire he texted his son Chet and he said big main mmm it seems fake you think so big main I guess you have to talk like he's trying to relate with his son he goes big main can you explain the Drake Kendrick Lamar feud to me and

Then Chet Hanks sent him like a two paragraph long text explaining it He said holy cow exclamation point these are fighting words people take inside who's winning So that was funny okay, it's on it time Hanks is like who's winning son Yeah, sir score is there a score tracker I can keep up with But then Chet Hanks came back the next, posted Instagram said I've consulted with the heavens, felt westward breeze, walked outside of a strip club and saw my shadow. This will be a white boy summer. Hell yeah. I have spoken. Let's go. Let's go. What about this? This will be a hashtag WBS. So what about City Boys? Nothing about City Boys. Are they up? They are now.

White City Boys? OK, City Boys up, White Boys up. Did you just learn that? I did, like, eight hours ago? You remember when he dropped that? Did I use it correctly? Yeah, like two years ago. You remember when he put out that shirt?

Well, what the fuck? White Boys summer was two years ago? But yeah, but Chad did it back. So who made it City Boys? No, but that was just Boys did. So bring it back City Boys. I think it's like, I just learned what it is. Bring it back please. Some some white boys are City Boys, but not all city boys are white boys. Got it. And all white boys are gonna have a good summer. Yeah. Remember that shirt that legally has the most racist font ever on the back of it? Yeah. It was like the calligraphy

Yeah, that was a great shirt that he did. Yeah White boy, do you remember that shirt though? I do. Oh, yeah, I do know he had a whole lot It was such a funny shirt. Yeah. Yeah, he had a whole line He did his workout where he would just do burpees and then for some reason just like hit his like dick muscles Yeah, every hit like the V muscle every time He was he's he tried to see I think he tried to sue us. Cause of the Nick and KB thing? I didn't know.

Nick and KB did something with him and then they got his number and then we called him on the yak. I think Tommy Smokes tried, like said something to him and he's like, I didn't know I was live. I'm going to sue you guys. Sounds like he's got a fair, fair, great. Yeah, I mean, it was Tommy's fault.

So Tommy wants to get sued. He can get sued. Has he been in anything recently? He was in Your Honor. Yeah, he was good in Your Honor. Yeah. Chet? Yeah, he played like a crackhead.

Yeah. Did a really good job. He was very good. White Boy's Up? City Boys. White Boy's Summer, City Boys Up. Got Summer, City Boys Up. Got it. White Boys Up.

Does that play? I don't know. White Boys Summer is better, yeah I agree. City Boys Summer? Good call, yeah. I guess. You just let us know. We should ask Chet.

Yeah. We'll have Mon. We'll have Mon. Great week. Okay, we should ask chat. Yeah Wow, man Well Yeah, yeah one mon great week. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. All right My hot seat is the guy who had Bryce Harper ask a girl to prom for him. Did you see that? Yes, so the Bryce Harper goes with a guy in Philly, right Philly kid Goes to a girl's door. They knock on the door. And Bryce Harper helps this kid ask the girl to prom for him.

The girl is just thrilled that Bryce Harper's on her doorstep. She says yes somewhere in there. And then after she says yes, she goes and immediately gives a big hug to Bryce Harper right afterwards. And it was interesting. Because I guess mission accomplished right yeah you got Bryce Harper in there but now did she say yes just because she wanted to give Bryce Harper a hug yeah I mean you can't bring Bryce Harper to like

your crush's house right like please go on a date with me please have Bryce Harper like objectively very good looking guy really good good at baseball, even though the Phillies have been playing the Savannah Bananas every night. And then just be like, yeah, but it's me, you're going to a problem with me, not Bryce Harper. Yeah, you don't want to stand next to somebody way more attractive than you when asking such an important question.

Right, right. I don't know, but I guess it worked, so good job. Max, what do you think about this? Weird no all-time good guy Bryce Harper Philly just appreciates Bryce Harper and Obviously she was thankful for Bryce Harper to come and be part of her prom Proposal so she was saying thank you Bryce Harper This is something I'll remember for the rest of my life

And now I'm gonna go spend the rest of the rest rest of my time with this Lovely man who got Bryce Harper to come to my doorstep wishing it was Bryce Harper. That's not true wishing he was that's not true Bryce Harper is just a very good guy and Philly respects good guys Okay, have you ever had the Phillies are playing really good baseball Who do they got next week the Trenton Thunder? They're playing the world champs, the reigning world champs right now. Oh, let me see. They're pretty good. What they're... Alright, reigning world champs. Well, yeah, now they're under 500 because they lost the Phillies. Oh, okay. All these teams lose to the Phillies and they go under 500. Yeah, yeah. Baseball, Major League Baseball has a Philadelphia problem.

All the teams are bad because the Phillies keep beating all the time. Correct. I think the Phillies are very good. I just, like, Max has not been able to say, like, good-win Phillies without also saying, what are the losers gonna say? Well, that's, I mean, every time anyone posts anything about the Phillies, it's just they haven't played anyone's, it is crazy. Isn't it so annoying when people do that, Max? You can only fucking play the teams in front of you. Oh, fuck.

Oh, shit. But Hank he got you when he said just to take him played like Duke. But now you're back. And he also didn't in the fight said in the fourth quarter he said in the fourth quarter. And he was also 25. Oh so they have the Rangers the Rockies. That will be good. They haven't played a team over 500 since opening weekend. How is the opening? possible the Don't know because they still don't until June when a team loses to the Phillies they get beaten so badly They get demoralized and then they lose all their cows and they can't go on and win anymore games 500 in the NL right now. Yeah, but still they're full they're playing the Rockies the the Giants in the

Cardinals coming up. Yeah Yeah, I don't know you want me to say okay, but all-time good guy all-time good guy love Bryce Harper I'm Bryce Harper is a great guy great guy. I still kind of a weird move to have somebody else come in It's not a weird move. It's more of like a dumb move. Yeah. Yeah. Short sighted move. Like have Bryce Harper come and visit. Be like, hey, will you go to prom with me?

If we go to prom together, I'll have Bryce Harper come to your house. Yeah, that's good. Or just dangle it like a carrot. Or just have Bryce record a video. Yeah. Like, hey, will you go to prom with this guy? Yeah.

Yeah. I'll hit a dinger for you if you do. I like that. My cool throne is Marvin Harrison, Jr. Because he is engaged in a big legal dispute right now. I don't know if you've seen the ongoing dispute with him. But I saw a headline. You can't, if you're a Cardinals fan or anybody else,

you can't buy a Marvin Harrison, Jr. jersey yet. And the reason for this is because he never signed with the NFLPA. And the reason for this is because he never signed with the NFLPA. And the reason for that is back in college, he was approached, a lot of players get approached by fanatics when they're in college and they are asked to sign their rights over for like autograph sessions, merch, things like that, because college players can do that now. Marvin Harrison Jr. said, no, I'm not going to sign this right now because I think my name is going to be so big when I'm a rookie that it's going to be worth more than you're going to offer me as a college sophomore.

Which is probably accurate, probably smart. So he didn't sign that then, and then they asked him to sign the NFLPA thing so they could now sell more of his merch. He said, no, I want to figure this out and do more negotiating on it. And now fanatics is suing Marvin Harrison Jr. So they can start selling his jerseys. So they claimed that Marvin's Marvin Harrison Jr. signed an term sheet, which is just basically a piece of paper saying like, I intend to do this,

not a legally binding contract. They claim that he signed that before the draft and that they should be allowed to sell it. But the bottom line is you're not they should be allowed to sell it. But the bottom line is you're not going to be able to buy Marvin Harrison Jr. jerseys in stores for a very long time. And he's probably not going to be in video games either until he gets this all sorted out.

But once he does, he's probably going to get paid a shitload of money for it. Smart by him. It's very smart by him. And again, I'm taking Marvin Harrison Jr.'s side in this 100% because his dad is Marvin Harrison Sr. and I would not want to be engaged in any sort of dispute with that family. They're a great family.

But it does seem like he's figured out, oh yeah, maybe we shouldn't sign these contracts when we're college sophomores if we are planning, if we're expecting to get drafted highly in the NFL, signing a five-year deal when you're a college sophomore. Not the smartest thing in the world. Was he at the rookie thing where everyone was in their jerseys running around? The rookie photoshoot thing.

It was like the first round picks. Let me see. Marvin Harrison Jr. Probably not based off of- Yeah, this. I'd like to go in the trust tree for a second. Can I say something with full trust and can't be clipped? This is something I'm going to have to get over, but it's just years and years and years of

this. The minute Caleb Williams put in on the Bears uniform and they had him running around as a quarterback, he lost all his swag. That's the Bears uniform. You have to overcome the entire. He's got to figure out how to come overcome the Bears quarterback uniform. The entire vibe around it. Right people were tweeting about it like dude this guy's got no swag anymore I was like shit I kind of agree. I think he needs to do a visor maybe some kind of cool arm sleeve. I don't know what it is but it scared me because it was like again it It's not Caleb Williams. It's the Bears uniform That scared me. Yeah, there's only so many things you can do

Well, it's just like I can't envision someone like dropping back in a Bears uniform and like throwing it down the field What about like pink shoes? That would be cool pink shoes. Maybe yeah That's a good idea Marvin Harrison jr. was invited to, did not attend the rookie premiere. Hank. Because of all this. Speaking of which, did you see that photo? Any thoughts on your guy trying to steal a couple inches?

No, with respect, you gotta, it's, it's. Did you see that? Yeah, yeah. You gotta take every inch in this league. Yeah. That's true. It's a game of inches. Al Pacino taught us that.

Don't tippy toe shame. One of the greatest NFL coaches of all time. It happens. But yeah, so the,. It's game inches. I don't tip Al Pacino taught us that tippy toe shame Well, the greatest NFL coaches of all time it happens But yeah, so the rookie premiere is weird. They just stand out on a field, right? And then they're just like look they're wearing their you new uniforms. Yeah, that's it. That's all it is Yeah, they like run around a little bit. Yeah, the NFL monetize anything. Yeah Yeah, and everyone just yeah, and then everyone just like and then dove climbing tweet something Oh, did you guys see the fake news going around about Joe burrow? There's fake news about Joe burrow Yeah, the hair the hair went like mega viral, and it was just it was made up

Why did anyone think that was real I never for a second thought I was wrong I saw it spotted a UFC fight like two weeks ago, and he had but it's just still like yeah, I was the fakest Yeah, longer hair, but it's that they would have just took Anakin Skywalker. Yeah, right Yeah, I don't know why I thought that was the fakest photo ever. He has longer hair, but they literally just took Anakin Skywalker's head and put it on his head. I don't know why anyone thought that was real. He looked like an early 90s sitcom actor. Yeah, like a hair metal band guy. But then there was also the clip. If he had a mullet, that would be fucking sick.

That would be sick. There was also the clip of Mahomes showing up to the first day and people saying he looked fat. I don't think he looked fat. He looked powerful. He also, think he looked fat. You look powerful. He also, I feel like Mahomes, you can't call Patrick Mahomes fat when you have three Super Bowl rings. Whatever he's doing is working, so just let him do it. That's not a guy, you can't, you say, oh, a guy looks fat showing up to camp if they're a second year player

that had a disappointing first year. He needs to be sitting next to Andy Reid for all these pictures. What are we talking about? Patrick Holm's fat and he's not fat. And he's going to play his way into shape. That's what training camp's all about. Yeah, like Eddie Lacey when he showed up that time, he was fat.

He was big. Yeah, he was fat. China food. That was fat. This is not fat. Yeah, and he's the value of the whole summer to run around and lose a couple pounds. Agreed, and he also wasn't fat. He whole summer to run around and lose a couple pounds. Agreed. And he also wasn't fat. He just, he looked at a tight shirt. He had a tight shirt.

He had a shirt that he needs to me and Max shirts that we can do this. The Instagram shirts. Yeah. We're just pulling on our shirts constantly. I'm getting a lot of those right now, Max, all the time. And also the best part about the shirts you buy on Instagram that hide your boobs, allegedly, if you buy one shirt, you also buy 7,000 emails for the next year. And you can't unsubscribe. They figure out a way through it.

And they're for other, like, fat-related products? They just got you. They just got you. That's what you're signing up for. All right. My hot seat is Angry Birds. Angry birds. You guys remember angry birds? Yeah. I replayed it like six months ago. Yeah. Angry birds. So this one was crazy because I was like a game that you can finish. Yeah. There's a bunch of levels. What happens when you win? You win. Yeah. So, um, I don't know this is at the top of my turret this morning when I woke up.

Very weird. Angry Birds account, which has 700,000 followers, said, we sincerely apologize for an unfortunate incident that occurred on our account. Recently in an inappropriate post was accidentally reposted from the account. This was a genuine mistake. We deeply regret any harm. It may have caused huh Strize and effect I need to find out what was said so here was what they retweeted. This is the Angry Birds account the game This is from

Jelly Cui Said I used to jerk off to Angry Birds when I was about 13. I loved Angry Birds I had every game about bought every toy they had. One day I was playing Angry Birds when all of a sudden the big red bird turned me on. I couldn't stand it. I was going crazy. I decided to pull and they retweeted. I did not have Angry Birds on the bingo card. I see. I see no problem in retweeting that. That's that's somebody that loves your game. Like if this podcast made people so horny that they had to jack off to it. It's so I would retweet all those endorsements Yeah, it's just like

Why why are they even apologizing because then I immediately was like what did Angry Birds do? Some some kid admitted that he jacked off to Angry Birds when he was 13 who cares But yeah, Angry Birds remember Angry Birds. It's a fun game It's way they have a top golf though. Remember we Birds? It's a fun game. It's way- They have a Topgolf though. Remember? We beat that. We beat Hank and the Hanks.

That's right! I think there was a movie. Oh, that's right. Yeah, they did make a movie out of it. Is it good, Jake? I didn't see it. That was one of those movies that came out like three years after the game was popular. What's your favorite bird from the games?

I don't- I was a Tiny Wings guy. I still play Tiny Wings. Tiny Wings is a good one. Tiny Wings is elite. I think I like the red one. guy. I still play tiny one. It's a good one. Tiny wings is elite I think I like the red one. I read one's a standard. I honestly don't remember the different birds You remember yellow ones the boomerang? The big black bomb one that did a lot of damage. Yeah on the levels. Yeah, remember Flappy Bird Yeah, flat the guy the guy got so stressed out that he quit that he took it down

Yeah, cuz everyone was getting mad at him I don't remember. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah the game and there's like a flappy bird 2.0. That was a big yeah Temporon he was getting like that It was like a really really hard game and he was getting death threats and it was like the most popular thing of all time And he just and he just deleted deleted the app because he was too stressed out Do you guys ever play the running and t-rex thing on Google like when you don't have internet connection? You know how like a t-rex shows on it's like oh, we don't have internet connection. Did you know that's a game that you can play? Oh, that's pretty cool. Yeah, if you hit spacebar you like just run through all these levels and you jump. Oh, that's awesome

It's actually great game. I play tiny wings. I like every flight still really I never got in those games I was the old school only one I mean snake was the greatest game ever created Brickbreaker probably I don't know a year of my career My former career was brick breaker just trying to beat it and then I found out that when you beat it you just go back To level one it just goes faster. That was a bummer and then snooze snooze rocked on the computer faster that was a bummer and then snooze snooze rocked on the computer was snooze it was like no snooze was good I remember that was like very blue guys that you had very you had to shoot when he was very young how young I was probably yes old game I'm old all right what do you want to say these guys don't

know about Microsoft pinball you know about the one that came oh yeah oh yeah yeah yeah snooze rocked yeah but know about the one that came out on the computer? Oh yeah. Pinball Rocked. Yeah, yeah, Snood Rocked. Yeah, but yeah, the one that came on like every PC. Yeah, I would play that when the internet would go out. That and try and like every, I don't know, like two months you'd get so bored you'd be like, maybe Solitaire's fun. No, never fun.

No, never fun. Solitaire's great and when you win the cards explode. No, Sol never father is great and my cards explode No, what about the other Microsoft one where you find click around? Yeah? I don't know how to play that but I would just like oh the one that were there a bomb Like you had that you had to figure out. I didn't know the strategy, but I would just I would do it Oh my god. This just fucking brought back I'm every did you guys ever play the game where the guy you were the guy skiing down the hill and then Play the game where the guy you were the guy skiing down the hill and then

Little jump or something no no this was like a addicting games or so yeah No, it was like you Remember that one oh my god. This is gonna piss me. You would basically do like a you try not to crash, but no matter what eventually like the and what how you say in bomb and Bob it'll and dominable Abominable domicled sues snowman snowman would come out and just grab you and that'll be it. What was that game called? This might be a Mount Rushmore. I fuck no That's non console game free. What is that? Maybe I don't know I'm looking at a Did you guys ever play it might be ski free? Yeah was ski free and did you Google it? Yes?

Yeah, there's the monster that would come out. He would grab you ski free was awesome. Oh Man, I might have to play this game. Yeah, this might be a Mount Rushmore Did you know I'm like non franchise console games like no mad? No like yeah Java Cafe cafe addicting games dot com did you play quop oh That game sucked a runner. Yeah, you had to get all his body parts It's impossible if you can make it three meters with that runner you're with the keyboard with backyard baseball work No backyard baseball. I feel like that's too much. Yeah, too similar to a console Yeah, and that was like a game you'd buy in like a store. I think yeah, no or like you had to buy CD-rom you had to get a CD for ya these games you didn't have to get a CD for max max dirt bike is the

Max dirt bike was a good one Great did you we had one that all of them were? Blocked on our school computers except for like the monkey math like it was like math games or something on the rocket cool math for kids cool math yeah and we would do lemonade stand I remember yeah fresh lemonade stand at school oh I mean with the goat with the ti-83 drug wars oh yeah oh yeah so holy shit I think that was that was grant that thought I sold so many loot yes Mario teaches typing yeah typing. Yeah, Mavis beacon.

Mavis beacon. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Carmen Carmen San Diego. Yeah. Yep. Hot. Hot. Oh, hot. For sure. Agreed Hank. Maybe speaking hot. No, I think Mavis beacon was like an old goose. I think she was like an elderly goose. It could be hot. How do we get here? Oh, Angry Birds. Yeah. So yeah, Angry Birds had to apologize. Somebody jacked off to them when they were 13.

My cool throne is the Los Angeles Chargers because Jim Harbaugh is starting the process of changing the culture. Our friend Sam Schwartstein reminded us or told us the story when we had him on about how when Harbaugh got to Stanford he said I am going to have to eliminate all traditions and things you guys do because you're such losers. I have to figure out what makes you losers. The Chargers had no music at OTAs. So Harbaugh took away music. That is maybe the first thing he saw and was like, is this why they're losers? We will find out. You have to earn your music. Yeah. I like that. I like that. No music. Whatever was happening before was not working. So everything's going to be different.

It's a sound strategy. You guys are losers. Let's figure out why. So yeah, the Chargers, they're gonna be good. Harbaugh will be in an AFC Championship game over under four and a half years. Under. I agree. I think it's like, I'd set it four. Five, I think he'll do it in the third or fourth year. I think it's three. Yeah, yeah.

AFC Championship game, Harbaugh. Be there, will be there. All right, Jake, finish us off. My Harbaugh. Be there. We'll be there. All right, Jake, finish us off. My hot seat's the chain gang. Our friends on the sidelines might be losing their jobs this football season. No. Because tonight, the NFL announced it'll run a trial

throughout the preseason for electronically measuring first downs. Yeah, this is bad. And if it approves through the preseason, it's gonna happen the regular season. So this is bad and here's why. Every time you watch a game you're like I can't believe we're using sticks and a chain. That's what makes it's a billion dollar business to figure out where the ball is if it's a first down or not. I don't give a fuck. The chain and the stick

is awesome. It gives you it's like another play. It's a free play that you get. So if you're close if a team's close to get a first down and you're like, oh, I don't know, they bring the chain out there and you get a first down, the ref signals it when they put the thing down, you feel like you just gained a yard right there. You feel like that's a huge win. Also if you're rooting for the team that's on defense and you get what you think is a stop, you get to celebrate it because you get to hold your fist up and be like, yeah, we stopped you.

And then the chain comes out. No, they didn't get it. The anticipation of them running out. It's another stop. All right. It's one of the weird things about football that makes no sense at all. And if we were starting football from scratch right now, there's no chance in hell that there would be three old guys with sticks

and a chain that run out on the field to measure things. It would be electronic if we're starting football from ground zero. But that's what we love about football is the weird shit, right? Yeah, no, this is bad. Yes. We need like Chinese or Russian hackers to hack the electronic ones. Yes. We need something to happen to malfunction. We can't lose the chain game. Fly like an EMP drone over the electronic system. Make it fuck up. We can't have this.

We can't have this. Hopefully, the NFL has people. And maybe our take's bad. Maybe people don't like our take. Maybe people don't like this. No, no, no. I think I'm right. PFC, our take is correct.

It's something that you would never see in a modern game that was invented. But it makes it feel so much more real, because there's human beings that are doing it, and not a fucking AI system that's doing it. Think about the Jade Van Clowney hit. That's not cool if we don't have the chain gang coming out and doing the thing. Yeah. Yeah, there's-

Who's the guy? What was the- The Index card. The index card. Yeah. Now they told him not to do that anymore, but it still happened and it happened because of the chain gang. Yeah. I, yeah. This is bad. Very bad. I hope they don't change it. I really

hope they don't change it because they're doing a preseason. The anticipation. All right. I might boycott some of the preseason. No. The last game. Last game. They don't play. Maybe. Yeah. But it's football. Yeah. But that last game at that point we're but it's football yeah but that last game always at that point we're just star free but remember that last game always happens when there's like real college football playing I'm gonna boycott the second quarter of one of the games in week three okay all right you have our demands 24 hours to respond NFL my cool thrown is getting hit by foul balls usually it's a bad thing, but this blue jays fan

She took 110 mile-hour foul off boba shot that you guys see the picture. Yes. I have a bad take about but But she looks like selling 110 cards of her and it's the damage is crazy. She took it like a champ I have a bad take about the shit injured She has a black eye and she had a giant... She had a huge hematoma that was swelling out from her forehead. It was massive. She looked like that... Was it Thug Rose that lost that UFC fight? What was she wearing? What do you mean what was she wearing? It was crazy. It was crazy. Where was she sitting? Oh my god. Yeah, it was crazy. Oh my god. Where was she sitting?

She looks like JFK All right, I'm gonna keep my bad there it is okay Yes, I was telling your car their video of the of the foul ball I Thought it was kind of lame to beg for a ball after I did I just I yeah But I don't know. I just saw it and I was like, okay, that sucks. She should have gotten a ball in the moment. Yeah, I mean someone should have probably come over to her.

Right, right. But then to like wait a day and be like, hey, I didn't get a ball. Give me a ball. Yeah, it's just common. I don't know. It's common courtesy that if you catch that ball, if it lands next to you after bouncing off her head, you treat it like it's like an athlete throwing a ball to a child in the stands you catch it and you give the ball to that person that got hit. Yeah. In the moment. Yeah. She should

have gotten the ball in the moment but once the moment passes like hey guess what. No ball. I don't want to earn it. I don't like I don't like her being on a baseball. I don't like free. I don't like free. Like you don't get the free ball. She also got a ball in her head, Jesus Christ. Also her name's Liz McGuire, like the show. I'll say this, she is way tougher than I am because I would fucking, I would have had a stretcher take me out. No chance I would have stayed there.

It looks like she has a baseball, like the baseball went under her skin and is attached to her forehead. Where did she get hit? Where is the video? Also where did, yeah, where did this? Yeah, where was she sitting? I need to know where she was sitting.

Wait, wait, wait. I didn't even get the ball. Lady who eventually got the ball that ricocheted off my face wouldn't give us the ball. That woman's the worst woman ever. Mm-hmm. OK, that woman is the worst woman ever. You have to give the ball.

Would the section chain and give her the ball? Wait, so this is. All right, I'm back on Liz's side. You know what? You know what though? Here's the thing. She shouldn't have tweeted the Blue Jays. She should have found that ladies at an ended her life.

So that this lady Liz gets hit in the head with 110 mile an hour ball. Correct. And she stays at the game for the rest of the game. As another woman takes the ball and leaves as a section chance, give her the ball. So what would you have done? Would you tweet the next day being like, Hey, I got hit in the head. Can I have a ball? I would, I honestly think I would have just tried to find the woman who stole the ball and just try to end

her life. Yeah. It doesn't seem like she's begging for the ball. The tweet was like, yeah, read the tweet. It was like, hey, can you hook a girl up? Pretty good way to do it. But yeah, I think her anger, if she has any, should be reserved squarely for the woman that absconded with the ball. Yeah, I would have been like, I'm gonna find you. No matter what.

Walked around the streets with a cudgel until you saw her. Yeah, like you're fucking done Also, where did she get hit because like not I know where she got hit in the head But where is she sitting because there's nets everywhere now How do you get hit with 110 mile an hour like a deep foul ball line drive outfields like those back sections in? Foul territory. I don't know if those are net I'd like to see a replay of the of the play Sam Mike I just I would like to see what what you know, what did she try to make a catch miss it totally fair Was she not looking I don't know I I have her side. I just wish she had tried to

Strike vengeance with this woman this scumbag who took her ball. That's a bullshit thing Dude crazy fucking that's a crazy hematoma. It's so big. Is this it right here? The Toronto Blue Jays. I don't know where the footage is, but what's that in the middle down the middle? That I haven't seen. I haven't seen a hematoma like that since

since since Rockman, the boxer. Remember that one? No, there was one in UFC a couple years ago. Was it Thug Rose? Yeah. Foul ball. I don't think we're going to get the video. What if she just was joking and fell?

A lot of the broadcasts don't pan to foul balls unless they're close to being in fair territory. Yeah. What if this never happened and the Blue Jays, she's like a marketing plant. Oh. And the Blue Jays are giving her a ball to get all the good headlines. And that thing on her forehead is all stage makeup. We're on the internet too much. Yes.

Yeah. All right. So my final ruling is I back Liz McGuire. I wish she had not asked for a free ball. I wish she instead had tried to end this person's life That's fair, right? Mm-hmm. Yeah Or no, it would have been better if she asked the Blue Jays to find that woman. Yeah. Hey, I got hit in the head I didn't get the ball. Unfortunately, somebody else caught it. Is there any chance that you can have her killed?

I yeah, that would have been good. All right, so yeah, that's the final answer, is that her tweet, she should have said, when she said, can you hook me up, it should have been, can you hook me up with all the information of this fan so that we can end her? Yeah, with her home address, her work address, and a semi-automatic pistol. Yeah.

OK, so good hot seat, cool throne, guys. Let's get some interviews. We got Xander Schauffele and Brian Windhorst, and then we're gonna finish with Pardon Your Take. And the lottery ball. And the lottery ball. Okay, before we get to PGA champ Xander Schauffele, a quick word from our friends at Shady Rays.

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Xander Schauffele is joining us. The trophy is in his background. It looks great. I also want to say Zander, your hat tan line is starting to look a little bit better too. When you won the, we want to talk about everything, but when you took off your hat, did you know in the back of your head, you're like, Oh, this is, I've been playing a lot of golf in the sun recently and I'm like a Stewart Sink out here. Damn, I didn't know I entered that legendary. Yeah, I'm made aware. Don't worry. I don't get away with much with my team.

So they, they, my caddy told me he was, I took my, or he shaved my head. And while he was shaving my head, he was like, damn dude. I was like, what? It was perfect. I mean, that's always, that, that always happens with the major champion too. It was like what? What? It was perfect. I mean that always happens with the major champion too. It's like something they win and then everyone's like oh how can we roast his outfit or something just to make ourselves feel better. But I want to go back to 18 and that putt. What were you thinking before that putt and were you like this is you know it was it was obviously not super far, but what was going through your head when you're lining up that putt and about to hit it? Yeah, I was nervous. I mean, it was, it was, it was a bad spot. I, I walked up, I saw left

to right. I saw like left edge, left center. I kept reading it and I saw like right edge, right center. And then I was like, this is, this is not good. You know? And then I was like, I can't call Austin in. It's gonna make me doubt myself more. So I kinda was, I just, I was like, screw it. I need to commit to this. And so I actually didn't take that much time because I was like, the longer I look at this, the more stuff I'm gonna see.

So I was nervous. I just ended up hitting it pretty straight. Actually, my putting coach texted me. He's like, he pulled it. And I was like, thanks, man. He's right. I've watched that putt now coach texted me. He's like, he pulled it. And I was like, thanks, man. He's right. You know, I watch it. I mean, I've watched that putt now like six times and it looks, it looks like it's going to miss every time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I've been, been a fantastic putt under pressure and the shot, I think it was two shots before that where

you're standing in the bunker, your feet are in the bunker and you're hitting the shot. It's, it's elevated. You and your caddy had a little talk before that shot, and the mics picked up some of it. And it sounded like your caddy was saying, yeah, you know what, if you end up hitting that into the bunker, that's not a bad shot. It's a good place to be. And I thought I saw you give him a look, like, hey,

don't say that it's OK if I hit the shot into the bunker. But when he's guiding you through that shot, are you angry with him in the moment for being like, don't even introduce the concept of a bunker to me? No, no. He was talking about that middle bunker. He was like, because I was like, you know, I want to aim really far right. And I was like, if I hit it on the right side of the green, no problem.

And then he was like, actually hit it on the left side of the green, it's easier. And I kind of looked at him, I was like, you know, is it? But then I was like, I don't know if I should, you know, I don't want to think that hard. One of my goals was to keep it simple. So, you know, he's my caddy. I pay him to give me good advice. And so he gave me good advice. So I aimed kind of, I aimed far right, obviously,

because I'm hitting like a baseball stance golf shot, but I pulled it left of that middle bunker. And then luckily it didn't go in that left bunker because I would have been a hard up and down. Yeah. And as you're playing that hole, is the thought in your in your head like I don't want to get into a playoff where the playoff hole will be a par five and I'm going up against Bryson. 100%. I mean, absolutely. Actually, I didn't even know. The playoff is actually an aggregate. It's three holes. Oh, oh. Yeah,

I know that. And that's yeah, that's just way more pressure. So I mean, it's just, it's just a lot. Yeah. I mean, the momentum would be like, you know, he birdies the last hole, I mess up the last hole and don't clutch up. And then here I am like in a playoff, like where I feel like I shouldn't be. So I just was in like the season moment situation and luckily that ball lived in. Yeah. Could you tell, was there anything that you could tell that was different about this last round? Cause you obviously you're unbelievable golfer and you've been in these big moments and come just short a bunch. But like that last round, I thought the, the bogey on 10 when it like the leaderboard switches and it's like, that's the moment you're like,

Oh, is this going to fall apart? And then you come back and go birdie birdie Could was there something different about Sunday that you just like had a confidence to you or something some feel to it like this Is mine? Yeah, I know for sure. I mean I I had that sentiment, you know, I Was I was good all day about committing like staying in my process, you know all that nonchalant all that Cliche stuff, but I get to 10 and I'm kind of like I don't know how I want to hit this chip and then I ended up hitting the chip I didn't really want to hit and then I f it up and I make bogey and I you know

I get to 11 and I was like I need to hit a good shot hit a great shot I get up to The putt and I look up to the board and it says I'm in second and I was like damn You know, it's like how am I in second? Like one hole ago I was leading now I'm in second. So everyone I knew everyone was birding ahead of me. And the big difference was was just that. I mean, I I had this overwhelming feeling of sort of not not not today. You know, like I've been in this spot too many times in the last two years where I've sort of, you know, curled up a little bit and got a little like defensive.

And so I just said screw it. Like I need to I need to earn this. I need to win this. I need to stay aggressive because guys are making birdies and I need to be one of those guys. And so that's what I did. Yeah. Did you do anything different for breakfast or for your meal? Like a quick snack during your round that maybe switched up the vibes for you this time? No, just it was it was a lot of self talk vibes that were different. Yeah, it's like confidence building stuff. Like, yeah, I mean, for you this time? No, just it was it was a lot of self talk vibes that were different.

Yeah, just like confidence building stuff. Like, yeah, I mean, yeah, I always am like pretty, pretty confident. I always am pretty like, you know, comfortable in these spots. But I just something was something was different this time around. I really felt like it was my time. It was like it was my time to shine. Like after last week happened, that was a big letdown for me. You know, I got beat. Uh, he played way better than I did. I didn't give him any pressure. It was that kind of, it was like, those last seven holes were like to be in a, in a final group on Sunday and to have like the first nine holes feeling like you're going to win the tournament. And then like two holes later,

you're playing the last seven holes feeling, feeling like you have zero chance to win a tournament is like an awful feeling when you've pretty much like led a tournament for the entire week. So I know that feeling and I really didn't want to have that feeling again. So I just had to sack up. Yeah. And then you celebrate and it looked like a pretty fun celebration. I saw you drinking out of the trophy. I feel like you have to do that. What was the first thing that you poured into the trophy? Austin poured some cheap champagne into it and everyone was yelling at him and I looked

around and I'm like Where are we gonna get nicer champagne and everyone's like, all right, so we all just drink it was like Andre. I don't even know Started with a K. Oh, I have no I mean I was I was drinking they the member at ball Hall was nice He gave me cigars. He gave me whiskey It was it was a night where I know a night where I normally don't drink too much but it had to be done. Yeah. All right. I got a dumb question for you. And don't take offense to this, but do you feel like you robbed us a little bit of being the guy who can't win the big one as

media people? We love being like, oh, that guy can't win the big one. You kind of won the big one a little too early. I need another like five years. You want me to, you want me to bathe in my own shit for another five years? Yeah. Yeah. Because that's our favorite storyline. Great golfer. Can't win the big one. Phil was like that for a long time. Yeah. Did you, did you kind of Sergio? Yeah. Did you rob us? Yeah. You know what I did. Yeah. Sorry. It's maybe apologize. I don't know. I mean, you're honest. At least you're honest. You know, you're in this line. You're in this line of work and you're one of the honest ones to say that. You know, everyone else is like, oh, I'm so happy for you. Yeah. Yeah.

They're thinking in the background, the back of their head, they're like, oh, we had so many more stories like, you know, like we could have done a big feature on Xander being like, Ken Xander win the big one now that you robbed them? Yeah. They took food off their table. Yeah, listen, Dan Marino has served that role very importantly, I would say, for NFL media for the rest of his life, right?

Like the amount of stories, the amount of things that people got to say. Now it's like, okay, yeah, Xander, I guess he proved us wrong. Now we actually have to be creative and do something interesting with our job and try to actually dig into something deeper behind the besides the fact that this guy just hasn't won a major yet. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, they just gotta go talk shit about someone else. Well, I just realized we played ourselves because I was thinking like, who's the next can't win the big one guy. And we'll just say that guy will win a big one. No, it's not him. No, he's talking about Max. Yeah, he's gonna win a big one. No, it's not him. No, he's talking about max. Yeah. He's going

to win a big one. He's going to win a big one. Do you think max has what it takes to win a big one? Of course. I mean, I think if you're, I mean, if you're a top player in the world, I think all those guys, I mean, you just, I am like, I can do an interview on close calls. So like I, I know better than anyone else what it's like to just sit on the other side of the fence, like with pretty much your entire body over. And you're just like, what, why am I not on the other side of this thing completely? And so, you know, you just, you need some things to go your way. You need a good break. You need to be in the better wave,

like all those small things add up. And then at the end of the day, like you just need to really take advantage of the, of the moment and, you know, put yourself in the position enough times. Like I, like I said, I mean, I know that better than anyone else. You're gonna, you're gonna, I kept saying knock, knock, knock on that door until you fricking bust that thing down. I just needed, I needed your damn battering ram to do it. Yeah. And what you did on Sunday was incredible

because it felt like, you know, Big Cat talked about when you, when you lost the lead momentarily and then Bryson hits his ball off a tree and it bounces perfectly into the middle of the fairway. I heard about any birdies. I heard about that. Yeah. That to me felt like, okay, the gods are just stacked against Xander right now. You see that stuff. Yeah.

When I won the Travelers, I hit this ball towards out of bounds and it hit and then hit off like, there's like a fence post every four feet. It hit off one of the fence posts and then kicked back in play. And I'm like, that was my break, you know, like from the golf gods. But then, you know, I hear about Bryson doing this and it's like, I'm sure everyone watching was like, Oh my gosh, like this is his break. Like this is what you need to win a tournament. So it's a fortunately, you know, fortunately went my way. Yeah. Have you gone back and watched your final round yet? No, I haven't. I've just seen the pot, you know,

six times now, I think. Yeah, I would do that. I would do that if I were you. I would just sit there and watch my entire championship winning round. Yeah. Sit on the couch like everybody else. Yeah, for sure. I mean, you don't seem like a guy that would do something like that, but... Win a championship? I would just have it be playing on loop forever for the rest of my life. Yeah. You walk into my house and you have to watch the final round. You have no choice. Download the MP3 of the of just the announcers and I just have in my car all the time. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I would be a terrible champion. Yeah. I got a question about your dad who seems like an all time figure. He's

your swing coach. Been your swing coach your entire life. That's that's nice of you to give him a job. He also I read that he watched or he didn't even watch you win this tournament. He was in a shipping container in Hawaii because he's building a family compound. So that alone like what what happened there. And then I have a follow-up question. Yeah so a lot of that is true he's been my coach for forever I actually actually ended up hiring Chris Como in November we've been working together since November of last year and so I've known Chris for quite some time had a mutual friend that kind of introduced us way back and so my dad knows Chris pretty well he Chris did like a little golf channel thing with us when he

was working with them. And so my dad just felt comfortable. He was like, you know, I don't, you know, he's always gonna be you know, he's always gonna be my dad. But in terms of like the golfing capacity, he sort of passed the torch over to Chris. And he felt like, you know, there's no need for him to be there. If you know, I'm there with you know, the rest of my team. So he is he is definitely a character his nicknames the ogre. Yeah we can get into why that is

but why is that. Yeah tell us why it is pretty self explanatory. But all right. So here's. So how is the ogre though. I've seen pictures of him. He's always wearing like linen and cool hats. He seems like he's like right out of a Tommy Bahama like catalog, but he's the ogre. He's the, I mean the ogre is, is more of a, uh, he, he, uh, he, he handles, uh, uh, he handles conversations and tough, tough, I guess situations in an ogre fashion, you know, he's not afraid to To get he's not to get in your face. Yeah, I put like put like that You look like you like that growing up too. So he's been consistent on that front Well, so that was my other question because I heard this story and it's a hilarious story your dad was your swing coach or is your swing coach your entire life and

He would not let you watch your own swing until you were 17 or 18 and even threatened your friends to be like, if you show him a video of his own swing, like you're going to be in trouble. Yeah. Is that true? Yeah. Kids were like, you know, kids are like, I'll be like, dude, like, come on, let me, like, I need to see what's going on. Like, you know, I don't feel good about this. And they're like, no, I, sorry, man, I can't get someone else to do it. That's incredible. So why did he not want you to see your own swing? He just was like, you know, there's no, he's like, one, you're not going to know what you're looking at too. He's like, you're going to try and be too

perfect. So he's like, what's the point in you looking at your swing and, and, and, you know, you know, making you want to lose your fricking mind. And so he was, he's kind of right. You know, sometimes I look at my swing now and I'm like, luckily, you know, you know, making you want to lose your freaking mind. And so he was kind of right. You know, sometimes I look at my swing now and I'm like, luckily, you know, I have Chris to talk to about, about my swing in the videos, but sometimes I look at my swing and I'm like, I mean, it looks fine to me. And they're like, no, you're doing that wrong. And I'm like, ah, I mean, I guess you're right. Like I didn't see that, but sure. So we just let the pros handle that. Yeah. That's it. That's a smart move.

Like when you're 16, 17, you, your swing is built up in your mind's eye. You have it like pictured in your your own head what it looks like. And then if you see it, it's like hearing the sound of your own voice. And you're like, oh my god. Yeah. It's like you see yourself running. You see yourself getting interviewed.

You see yourself throwing something. You feel like you're Jason Bourne in this situation. You see a clip of it, and you're like, wow. Yeah, I got a lot of work. Yeah, people are roasting me online for my back. Yeah, I gotta fix something so it looks better Yeah, I just love the idea that he told all your friends like do not show him his own swing And you're just walking around being like will someone let me see my swing. I Did see a picture of him. He's got your gold medal or at least he did does he still have it? Yeah

Yeah, so I mean I have, I got this puppy right here just for the, just for the moment. It's going to go back to the west coast. My parents are like the safe keepers of my trophies. And so they're going to, I'm, they're probably going to party way harder than I did with this thing. They're going to go around town in San Diego and let everyone drink out of it. If I had to guess. Kind of a thirst trappy picture of him wearing the gold medal just wearing like a swimsuit flexing Yeah, your dad's strong as shit. This is speedo. Yeah, he's you know, he's got that old man strength Yeah, I don't know how I feel about anymore. He's getting he's gonna turn 60 this year So I'm sure I can I could take him at some point. I get this is another dumb question for you It's something that we're planning on doing here because we saw John John Daly's round on Thursday, where it was reported that he smoked two packs of cigarettes, had a couple of cokes, and I think four Snickers bars. We're going to try to do the John Daly challenge.

Do you think that's possible for us as a podcast to smoke 40 cigarettes? And obviously, the two cokes is fine. Max takes care of that in about five minutes. And the Snickers bar, do you think it's possible for a nonsmoker, mere mortoker mere mortal not named John Daly to accomplish that feat? 100%. I mean, it just depends on what's on the line. Nothing pride. Yeah, just us embarrassing ourselves. Just the ability to say a lot.

Yeah, I don't know. Usually when someone tells me I can't do it, I usually get it done. So it may take me may take me longer than others. but you know, if you tell me I can't smoke 40 cigarettes in a day, I mean, I, I might need an IV and a hospital like treatment after that. But like, I think, I think three or four of you guys can, can rip through some heaters. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Um, did you have a chance to talk to Scotty at any point this weekend? Because he kind of, he kind of cucked you a little bit with the storylines being like I got arrested and you just won your first major. Did you have any chance of talking to me was the craziest story. Yeah yeah I did. You know I he was he handled it really well in Scotty Shuffler fashion. I mean he's he's a he's a good dude.

As soon as I saw it I want I thought it was a prank and then I saw it on the news and I was like holy smokes this actually happened and then I saw it on the news and I was like, holy smokes, this actually happened. I hope he comes out. It feels like he's going to come out okay from all of this. It feels like things are going to get dropped. I don't know. But he took it like a champ and we're all giving him. We have a group chat with our physio, our team, our crew.

It's like me, Gary, JT, Jordan, Scotty, Pat. We all share the same physio. So the boys were heckling Scotty a little bit. Just enough. Yeah. You got to change the picture of that group chat to the mugshot. Obviously that happened. Perfect. Yeah. That's good. I actually think that's what I'd want my boys to do if I got arrested for not a really serious thing Just being right. Yeah, let's roast. That's how you know, you have real friends, right? Right? Yeah I was thinking that the day that he got arrested It was actually tougher for everybody else playing not Scotty because Scotty is riding off the adrenaline

It's fun to get arrested sometimes and you're like, okay sweet. Let's go to the golf course, whatever. I'm out. I'm relieved. Everybody else is playing thinking like, holy shit. I can't believe Scottie Scheffler got arrested for felony assault on a police officer. Like that, that screws with everybody else's brain out there too. For psychology there. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe. I mean, he, he, and I mean, he should, he played you shot 66 coming out of jail. So I mean, that's like, it's pretty crazy. It's legendary. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I don't think anyone else can say that. No one else on tour has been able to do that one. So I mean, he's, he's, he's definitely, he's, he's at the top of the mountain for several reasons. All right. I got another dumb question for

you. Have you seen real bros of see me Valley? No. Oh, all right. So the main character is Xander. It's actually Xander is how he pronounces it, but that's like, that's one, two of Xander. It's actually Xander. He says how he pronounces it, but that's like that's one too of Xander's. I don't really know any others. Yeah, I guess that's why I've heard some guys yelling my name yelling Xander and I just, I knew it was from something and I just, I, my, one of my roommates was from Simi Valley. So I guess I'm not too surprised. Yeah. Yeah. You got to watch it. It's very, very funny. It is. How did you make that decision to go by Xander not Alexander? Well, my dad's German. If you've never heard him speak, so my name is Alexander. But like when he would yell at me as a kid, it just sounded

like sonda, you know, like a German dude. I never realized how like aggressive my dad's accent is until all my friends are like, like dude your dad's like really German Just grew up listening to be yelled at by this dude and then all of a sudden, you know removed from him I'm like, yeah, he does sound pretty weird. I'm not gonna lie. Yeah, it's an awesome name. It's like very unique and cool Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I mean easy, you know X X is nice. It's simple. Yeah, throw the X gonna give it to you Yeah, did you yeah, and give it to you. Yeah, did you? Did you have I would imagine you go online after whatever after you party and everything and did you have just a million people being like I bet on you every tournament

and finally did it for me because I feel like that was like a lot of people were like, yes, I've always there's a there's like a huge Xander crew that was like, he's going to do it. And that was their moment as well. I don't, I actually, I don't really have social media. So I have it, but I don't see, I don't have any of my passwords. I don't see anything smart. Um, but yeah, I mean, people will tell them, I mean, I had like, uh, I had like a 12 year old kid yell at me while we're playing like you're gonna choke Remember I was kind of walking and nobody just keep my head down, but I remember in my head I was kind of like

Where is your father yeah, what's going on here so I can imagine, you know I think I I haven't won in such a long time all the people that were betting on me I feel like I hit this curve where it's like, everyone was betting on me to win. And then everyone's like, this guy's never going to win. And so they just stopped betting on me. And then as soon as they stopped betting on me, I win. And now everyone's like, God damn it. Yeah. The true believers, some true believers out there. So shout out to the OGs know who they are. Yeah. You know, there's some quitters along the way and that's fine too. Yeah. Yeah's funny Um, so I I read that when you got married in your wedding you dressed your dogs up in formal attire for the wedding Is that true? Yeah, I mean you think that was my idea Like are we just talking tuxedos or did one

Yeah, I got an Aussie labradoodle and a Frenchie. And my guy, my Frenchie, he looked like a stud in his tux. Dude, PFT and I went, so I have a coffee company named after my dog, and we give some of the money to where I rescued her in Chicago. And every year, there's a thing called the fur ball, that it's literally like a black tie affair, and people bring their dogs in like dresses and tuxedos Yeah, it's crazy long dresses like follow the dog around. It's yeah, it was awesome. It's nuts

Oh my gosh might have to have your dogs. They got the tuxes. Yeah Yeah, I don't know. He's a little chunkier than he used to be so I don't know if it's gonna fit That's brutal. He tries to fit in the like I can't fit in this anymore That plays if it's a Frenchie a Frenchie like trying to squeeze into a way too tight tuxedo. Yeah. That would be a funny look. Yeah. That's a nice touch for a Bulldog. Yeah. All right. Well, this has been awesome, Xander. I got one last question. It's a rollback question. R-H-O-B-A-C-K.com promo code take 20% off your first purchase. Q-zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts, roback.com promo code take. I, it's

a longer question, but your, your story is really cool because you weren't like coming out of high school. You weren't like one of these guys that everyone was talking about and you ended up going to a school that's not like known for golf. Like when you, when you're like coming up and going through the qualifying and everything, was there ever a moment where you're like this, this is, I'm, I'm just so far off because I even read a story about how when you were in college, your golf coach, like one of your first years put you up against Patrick Cantley when you played UCLA. And he was like, I just want him to see like what the difference is how far he has to go. And the story goes that you shot like a 76 and he shot a 63. So, well,

oh, you shot a higher than 76? 78. Oh shit. But like that's, it's a very cool story because it doesn't feel like you were one of those guys that was anointed from this, this young age, but now you're one of the best golfers in the entire world. So in that process, was there a moment where you're like, this is, I'm never going to make it. Yeah. I mean, a hundred percent. I mean, I, I like, I think because of everything you've just said, I just had this chip on my shoulder my whole career. And, uh, you know, I am a

firm believer. If you look at all sports, there's always, you know, the walk on type guy. Um, you know, I had a, I was pretty, I was, I was a good amateur. I just, you know, wasn't my class is ridiculous. If you just look up the class of 2011 golfers, I mean, I can name like 15 guys that are all on tour that have won basically. And it's like, that's just ridiculous to have a class where everyone's that strong. But yeah, I mean, I think coming out of college, my senior year of college, I went to Q school and I failed in second stage.

I missed second stage by six shots. So I was like, you know, I've been working my whole life, you know, I'm like 21 or yeah, I turned 21 my senior year. So I was like, okay, like I've been working my whole life. You know, I'm like 21 or yeah, I turned 21 my senior year. So I was like, okay, like this is what I really want to do. And then I go to Q school after I graduate. I ended up getting through because a guy misses his putt on the last hole to let six of us in. And I was one of those six guys. So I get in on the number. Then I go to corn fairy web.com at the time I do my time there and I'm like a hundred and fifteenth on the points list like losing my card and then like I rattle off

Like, you know three four top fives at the end of the year And then I finished 26 on the money list miss out by $900 to get my tour card and I'm like, oh my god This is freaking you know, like I feel good. You know, this is this is not it. So then I go to the playoffs, I get my cards at the playoffs and then I, you know, then I get on tour and I'm like, you know, same same shit, different tour. I'm playing all year long. I'm like a hundred and thirtieth on the on the FedEx Cup because I haven't done anything. And then I Monday qualify for the US Open.

I finished high fifth and that just like faulted my entire career from that moment. And then I ended up like, I secured my card at the travelers a couple of weeks later. And then I ended up like winning green briar and then my life just changed. So it's like, but until that moment, like until I secured my card at travelers, I mean, I had, I don't know where I had more relief, like on 18 on Sunday, when I made that putt and like, I put my arms up, I don't know where I had more relief, like on 18 on Sunday when I made that putt and like I put my arms up and I was so relieved or when I got my car to Q school

or when I was able to secure my car to Travelers and then to win at Greenbrier. I mean, those are all like, and to me it was cool because they all just kind of stacked up, they all stacked up and I just kept going. And it's like, you see other sports stories that are kind I just kept going. And, uh, you know, it's like, you know, you see other sports stories that are kind of like that, you know,

it's like, you don't really get your shot, but then you do get one and then you just take advantage of it. And then you just can't look back. It sounds to me like you're like one of the greatest, like procrastinator slash under pressure guys where you're like, I'm not, I'm going to start playing my best golf right when I need to, even the PGA where it's like all right enough people are like oh Xander's never gonna win. Now I'm gonna win one. So you just got to put a little pressure. It's like then you just become the best golfer in the world. Yeah. I mean I'm saying San Diego born and raised pretty laid back. So maybe you're right. Maybe

I need to get a little East Coast like energy into my veins. Yeah. So where do you go from here now that it's hard to have a chip on your shoulder right now. You're the hottest thing in golf. So what's how do you motivate yourself. hard to have a chip on your shoulder right now, you're the hottest thing in golf. So what's, how do you motivate yourself? Now there's a chip on my shoulder. Uh, I don't think, I don't think it's ever going to leave. Charlie Hoffman was trying to tell me there's no chip on my shoulder. Like a couple of years ago, he's like, you don't, he's like, you don't have a chip on your shoulder. And I was like, I, I couldn't even give him shit. Cause I don't know if you guys know who Charlie Hoffman is, but he would have, he would have given me shit about how he was right, you know, like he's just he's just he's just that guy. So it was funny.

I was playing at in Dallas and Charlie Hoffman is like, you don't have a chip on your shoulder anymore. And I was like this mother, you know, and I'm here and I'm shooting like 62 in the final round to finish like tight fifth, because I wasn't playing very well at that time. This is like two years ago. And I didn't text him because I knew if I text him, he would have been like, you're welcome. I told you. Yeah, right. Yeah, for sure. You know what I mean? So it's just winning one is a dream come true. And it's something I've always wanted to do. But I've always envisioned myself winning more than one. So Scottie Scheffler is at the top of this mountain that I've referred to before. And I think

when you're the number one player in the world, then you start having, you have to reassess, you know, what's going on and how to motivate yourself because you've pretty much accomplished everything you'd want to accomplish. Yeah. But for me, you know, I'm the second best player in the world, which is an awesome accomplishment somewhere I've never been, but I'm so far behind Scottie Scheffler that it's like, I just, I have to keep my head down and keep grinding. Yeah, no, no felonies though. Good point

yeah, I mean, but yeah for golf though, you know golf is such like a Like a professional sport like Scottie's got for he's from Highland Park in Texas or wherever He's got more street cred than all of us. I know It is crazy that this is gonna end up being like Oh Scot, Scotty, like, yeah, that's kind of cool. He gets like one of his ears pierced. It's golf, you know what I mean? It's golf.

Like every other sport, you're like, oh shit, like is he gonna be able to make it in the season? And then now it's like, oh, he's a badass. Yeah, yeah, neck tattoo. He's gonna be like. You guys are so, yeah, you guys are so. A little teardrop. Yeah, teardrop.

Yeah, you guys are just sitting around, you know, this beautiful country club being, and Scotty's just telling the story for the 100th time. He's like, you know, this beautiful country club being let in. This guy is just telling the story for the hundredth time. He's like, Oh yeah, they told me to stop and I didn't stop. Yeah. That also the chip on your shoulder. You just said it. The chip on your shoulder is people saying you don't have a chip on your shoulder. And yeah. So yeah, you're, you're a chip on the shoulder guy for sure. Yeah. Yeah, it's got me aware man It's there. It's not coming. I love it. Well Xander. Thank you so much. Congrats again, man

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to get Wendy's book. He told me not to do this. But I'm doing it as a friend. Looking to see if I have one. Yeah. We got to get Wendy's book. He's close to passing the advance so he could start. You know that's when the real money comes. Yeah. I was listening to his podcast. He said it. He was a little ashamed that he said it. I was like, you know what? I'm going to just going to let's get it going. So the book is Return of the King, LeBron James, Cleveland Cavaliers. And we need you to we need people to buy it. And I also need an update. How strong is LeBron right now? Is he still so strong? So strong. Beyond just strong. So strong. Okay, good. How does that work if somebody buys the audio version? Is there an

audio version of it? Yeah, it counts. So I mean, like, you know, I've written a, you know, just, I appreciate, first off, Dan, I appreciate that. Yes. You know, thank you very kindly. It's always appreciative of you and your audience. That book was a New York Times bestseller, but you know, thank you very kindly. It's always appreciative of you and your audience. That book was a New York Times bestseller, but you know, the way it works is, you know, there's a certain line and we've been dancing on that line. The book's out seven years. Right. I've subsequently written another book also on LeBron

that also was a bestseller, but I was just making a joke on my pod that I need the Lakers to win again because the last time the Lakers won in 2020, we had a night, you know, cause normally you write a book about LeBron winning with the calves about the championship, you know, by 2019, when he's in LA, that book ain't selling anymore. Right. All right. We're doing overseas sales. Then when he won in 2020 with the Lakers, you know, it was pure and middle,

mid COVID people were like, Oh yeah, I'll take this LeBron book. And we had a nice bounce. So, you know, the Lakers, you know, getting knocked out in the playoffs is just hampering my chance to get past the advance, which is a, you know, maybe, maybe you guys write a book and it would fly past the advance, but some of us, you know, have a harder time to do that. Well, let's get, let's get our audience to buy the book. Maybe if we get past the advance, you'll tweet out an update on LeBron strength. Be Be like, just breaking news, LeBron's still so strong. I think that's a fair deal, but I can run past various agents. If you want us to help out to really goose the numbers a little bit, we'll just report that you said on part of my take that LeBron is going back to Cleveland.

Oh. And then now there's a sudden interest in LeBron's career in Cleveland. So what are the chances that Dan Gilbert gets on the phone, gets the band back together? Two boys riding again is one. Yeah. So this is how it went. LeBron went back to Cleveland for Mother's Day. Okay. I love it. I love it. But yeah, yeah. Windy did not ask me to do that. I'm doing that because I love windy. So uh, Dubai. All right. So let's talk some basketball. Uh, I want to start with w we'll get to the Pacers Celtic series, but I want to start with the Mavs and the wolves because I think we, you know, all of us watched that game on Sunday night and saw what the wolves did. And we were shocked with the fact that they overcame a 20 point deficit

in Denver. For this matchup though, how do you see it going? I feel like people are forgetting the Mavs are also a very good team and kind of anointing the Wolves already. I think they're the better team, the Wolves. But do you think, how do you see this matchup playing out and this series playing out? First off, you guys, are you guys as infatuated with Aunt Edwards is as I am. I know that's that's a that's a vogue take now. Like everybody says that. But like last year, I went to to a team USA on this month long trip to Abu Dhabi and Manila.

I spent a month with Aunt Edwards in Abu Dhabi and Manila. I spent a month with Aunt Edwards in Abu Dhabi and Manila and he had never been overseas before. And in all honesty, he later said that he kind of felt a little bit nervous about being on that team because he didn't know where his place was. And I mean, it can kind of be nerve wracking if you know, but this amazing thing happened with that team Steve Kerr

Kind of saw him as a six man They were like I think we're gonna bring an off the bench And he came to ant before the playoff before they played he's like hey You know in team usa sometimes star players come off the bench, you know, Dwayne Wade in 2008, the redeemed team, Dwayne Wade came off the bench because, you know, Kobe was a starting to guard and aunt was like, I was cool, but I didn't see Kobe on the roster. Right. And by this, maybe the third, uh, exhibition game, because they play the like five exhibition games. Steve Kerr was like, yeah, actually, he's our best player. And so watching that process, I like walked away from

that totally convinced Ant was going to have a great season. And so to see him do this has been awesome. And so I have no doubt at all that he is going to come into this conference finals with no fear. And he is not going to be influenced by the moment. Yeah, but I am a little bit worried about the rest of the wolves with that. Yeah, yeah, good. I was just gonna say there was a very funny moment where it was cat and ant after the game where they they were asking him, you

know, usually have to lose in the playoffs to figure out how to win and he said goddamn How much do you want us to lose? Lost a lot in the playoffs already like how much do we need to lose before we can win and I get the feeling From ant like he's definitely He had he seems to have the mental makeup to not shy away from big moments and to be a guy that will step up He has the dog as we've said He is a dog But then you worry about a guy like Carl Anthony Towns who he will play like for one half like a dog and the other

Half like a cat and then you're like, how do you put this together? I'm not so sure So the question is does he have could he be the guy could he just put the team on his shoulders? Throughout a seven game series and be the best player on the court when you have a guy like Luca on the other side? Yeah, this is like, they haven't been to this part of the playoffs for 20 years, like 20 years. I mean, they hadn't won a playoff series for 20 years. I mean, so like this year they put out a press release at the end of the season about how they sold out the season The Timberwolves did and they sold out the season because they I think and if this is wrong, I'm going to get I'm going to get in trouble. This is wrong.

But I think they like covered up a couple of sections with like tarps and they sold all the available seats. This is like, I remember when I first started going to Miami years ago, like when Dwayne Wade got there, they had sectioned off the, the, the, the, the highest deck of the arena. I don't know if it's second or third deck. The idea of the wolves being this good, like they had closed off part of their arena for games. Right. That's where the, that's where the wolves were. Yeah. Okay. And so now they're in the conference finals. And so like calling them the favorite in the conference finals, like is wild.

Yeah. And you know, it's amazing, you know, I thought was, was such a indication of the way aunt looks at the game, he wore the microphone in game seven. Now, obviously they want him to wear the microphone every game. And I think it's kind of like an unwritten rule that the star players kind of got to wear the mic at least once in the playoffs. Maybe they make you wear it once in the finals if you get there. The players usually don't want to wear that. And if they wear it, they'll wear it like early in a series. And it's like, hell yeah, give it to me. Game seven on the road. I'll take that mic, put it right here. Yeah. Here. And I know that

that sounds weird that I would focus on that, but that method before the game is like, yeah, I'm not worried at all. Yeah. Go ahead and record everything I say. Go ahead and record my trash talk too while I'm at it. Yeah. And so they haven't done it before, but his, it's his leadership and his belief. I don't know, maybe can care addressing because Lucas has been there. Lucas, you know, been, you know, over in Europe, I know people don't give Europeans any credit, but go try to win a road game like in the Euro league where in some of those places there's little there's fires and they have to have a police escort for the referees and there's people are lighting coins on fire and throwing them down to the bench and they have to like not

let the visiting fans into the arena or have the visiting fans leave and go tell me yeah the level of basketball is the same as the NBA. Luca won everything there was to win in Europe by the time he was 19. Right. So I'm not Kyrie has obviously played in a ton of big games. There's less mystery for the Mavericks than there is for the wolves. And so when you have a favorite, what is the number? Do you guys know what the number I don't know what it is. I think it's it's not not, it's not, it's not severe. It's like, I think the wolves are like minus one 40 or something. Okay. Um, so it's not crazy, but

yeah, they are the favorite, but yeah, you're right. Like the, I, so I've been on a little thing where I'm probably going to end up picking the wolves, but I think that people have a perception of the Mavericks that is not what they have been doing in the playoffs and the Cohesiveness of their team and their role players stepping up and here's one that I would like you to maybe explain Everyone just says Lucas defense stinks I feel like he's been playing better defense than his reputation and it's kind of one of those things that it's gonna take a Little bit. He's not a lead at deep defensively, but especially the team defense the Mavs have been playing has been a lot better than people assume. So when we get to this series, people are like, oh man, this is going to be a lot harder for both

teams to score because we know about Minnesota's defense. They were the number one defensive team for the last six weeks of the season, which is one of the most amazing things that we saw happen in the, in the, you know, over the course of the season. And the Mavericks fans are really pissed off that Luca, I think he got one or two MVP votes. They're like, really pissed off that the team didn't get more credit because they went 16 and two to finish the season. But you know, it's most valuable player of the year. You know, that's, you know, not that he was terrible before, but that, you know, you can't disregard everything else, but the way that Luca had, um, there was a couple of times in their, uh, first round series where like, I felt like Luca had never played

defense. I'd never seen him play defense like that. Now, uh, in this last series against Oklahoma city, his knee was bothering him. I don't think he was quite as able to dig in, um, as he was against the Clippers, but there was like, there was like one game against the Clippers. I can't remember what his game two or three where I was like, Oh my God, Lucas like making game changing defensive stops. And they got him doing that the last quarter of the season. I can't imagine if you were a Nets fan to watch what Kyrie is doing. Like he is the perfect teammate. He is creating no distractions. He is playing defense.

He is like bringing people together. Like even if you're KD, you're KD out in Phoenix. You're like, wait a minute, what is going on? And I don't know, maybe it's just a Kyrie is like 32 now and he's not 28. But like, this is the Kyrie that's a dream teammate, even LeBron. Like LeBron was now whether LeBron actually would have followed through on it. I don't know. And maybe Kyrie knew that. But like, LeBron said, on the record in front of people that he wanted Kyrie to kind of be this guy, he was willing to sort of shepherd him into it. I do think LeBron said on the record in front of people that he wanted Kyrie to kind of be this guy. He was willing to sort of shepherd him into it. I do think LeBron kind of saw him and Kyrie going for a while. That was impossible. Kyrie was like 25. Right. This version of Kyrie and this version of Luca is not what we have seen before. So yeah, the Mavs, the Mavs can win it all. The Wolves can win it all. And that's why this is going to be interesting series. The other thing is two really good defenders that are underrated. Jayden McDaniels, I don't know, he's got $130 million contract. He

might be on, he might not be underrated. He's awesome. And he's going to be on Luca that matchup. And then Derek Jones Jr. who makes the NBA minimum, was available for anybody to sign. Was in Chicago there last year and just didn't work out as the Bulls. The Bulls thought they took him from Miami. They thought he was going to be like this kind of player for them. He never, by the end he wasn't even playing. He is like them putting him in the starting lineup, like with about 20 or 25 games to go, help trigger Dallas being really good on defense.

Well, he's going to get in. And so those two matchups, Jayden McDaniel's on Luka, and Derek Jones Jr. and other people will help. But Derek Jones Jr. on Ant, that's going to be a big part of that series. You're always at the forefront of reporting on what teams are eating the best din dinner meetings together. I remember you wrote an article about the Spurs legendary dinners. You told us about the the is in the heat Celtic series last year. A

dinner kind of galvanized the team. Um this postseason what teams are the closest off the court. I'm I'm behind I don't have I think the closest off the court with a net. I think the closest off the court with a net. I think the closest off the court with a, what teams are the closest off the court?

I'm behind. I don't have, I think the closest off the court were the Knicks by the way. Oh yeah. Yeah. Well, they put those guys watching the eclipse together. Yeah. Did they? I missed that. Yeah, they did. They want the eclipse together. Yeah. Can I just say something about the eclipse real quick? Yes. Go off. I was really negative and skeptical about the eclipse, mostly because I was really annoyed. I had to travel around the eclipse and it was causing me a lot of problems. I was going to Ohio, because my mom was having knee surgery on the day of the eclipse. So she

scheduled it like, you know, she was having her knee replaced. She scheduled it, you know, months in advance. Obviously, the eclipse was known years in advance. I didn't know. And my sister was like, Hey, maybe we should reschedule her knee surgery. Cause it's in the clips. I was like, what? We've been waiting for this surgeon for five months.

We're not rescheduling the freaking thing. Yeah. That's a crazy take from your sister. Yeah, that's a crazy. Thank you. Thank you. Uh, so anyway, um, I was really kind of annoyed because in my hometown of Akron, like in Cleveland, it was like, you know, center of the totality. Yeah.

You know, and I'd seen eclipses before and I was like, oh, come on people. Like, what are we talking about? So I didn't actively try to get into the totality. I found myself there. And so I got the glasses, whatever, and I went outside, literally went outside the orthopedic hospital on the veranda to watch this totality eclipse.

And it was one minute away from the totality. And I was like, okay, this is mildly interesting. I would look out the window. It is not worth traveling thousands of miles. And then that totality thing happened. And I was like, Oh, this is actually pretty remarkable. And literally in the moment, that the totality happened, however, it was long, like four minutes or whatever, I get a call from the nurse like, Oh, your mom's been because we

were like, she had got her knee done. We were waiting for her. She was waiting for us in her in the hotel. And they're like, Oh, your mom's in room, uh, five one six. She's looking forward to seeing you. I was like, yeah, hold on. Hold on. Uh, yeah. I'll get back to you. You know, she's just out of surgery. You know, like, hold on. I actually came for the eclipse. The surgery was just a coincidence. We got a totality going on. Yeah, man changed by the eclipse. Well, I can see how that was team building. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. The team building of the totality. I could honestly see Kyrie Irving becoming a whole new man

after an eclipse. Yeah. I could see him experiencing that and being like, you know what? This is post totality Kyrie. I'm going to be a good teammate. I'm not going to say it. OK. TFT, I am making a note to ask ESPN stats and information, which is the greatest asset at ESPN. Yeah, people think that it's

like Stephen a, or it's like the, the studios, the greatest asset at ESPN is the stats and information group. You can, this is a secret that no one will ESPN will ever tell you, like these games, whether end at like two in the morning or whatever. And you got to be on get up. Like you roll out of bed, you got two hours sleep. And you've got this packet of information from stats and info. We get on there. You know, the the Mavericks were shot 66% coming off pin downs in the last 12 seconds of the shot clock.

And that was a big difference in the game. They're the greatest. I'm having stats and information. I'm giving them an assignment to look up Kyrie post-Eclipse. Yeah. Oh, I like it. If there's one thing that's changed. That number might be amazing.

Yeah, it could be. If there's one thing that's changed. Because I do feel like, on kind of a more serious level, like Kyrie, he's learned over the years I think not to that he's learned the hot button things that he can't say to the media right he can have whatever conversations he wants maybe with his friends yeah but it feels like he's not bringing that drama as much as he used to yes Yes, for now, without question. Especially since there's things in the world

that he could definitely comment on that would be controversial. Yes. So, and by the way, now that I think about it, Dallas was like heart of the totality pack. Yeah, right. I think something flipped in Kyrie. Look it up.

TFT, you have potentially identified something incredible. We got a reverse were in Kyrie. Look it up. TFT, you have potentially identified something incredible. We got a reverse werewolf Kyrie. All right, so this is good. I can't wait to see the stats. I got a question for you. This is not Brian Windhorst's opinion. This is GM's opinion. So it's a two-part question.

Rank the players. Say all contracts equal. You call up a GM who they would want over everyone else. Yeah. Luca Tatum, aunt Halliburton. So that's the first part. And then I have a second part of that question. Luca Tatum. I think they probably take Luca because he's six, eight, and he can be such a difference maker in a single game. And then Tatum and Ann is interesting because the ant defends man.

Like this is the thing, like when I see people rank these players, it's two ends of the court. And not only does ant defend, he wants to defend. This is the one thing I don't know anything about college basketball. I don't have time Or I don't have bandwidth to study it I Do watch the tournament which is not a responsible way to evaluate college players So I would never come out as a John Paxson way to set up for the draft. Yeah The guy from Connecticut K Klingon, the center.

The thing that blew me away about him when I watched him was that he wants to play defense. What I mean by that is he like busts his ass to get into position. You can tell what happens on that end of court. He re he feels personally responsible for, and that's one of the reasons why to me, he is an exciting player because not only is he seven foot whatever with like a seven foot, I think Gavone said seven foot nine inch. I think Gavone said his standing reach is nine foot seven.

So basically if he gets on his tiptoes, he can probably touch the rim. It's one thing to have that and then not want to play defense. I've seen plenty of players like that. You know, I've seen seven, I've seen seven foot three guys who only want to shoot threes. Seriously. They have no interest in going into the paint. This guy wants that. And so that's why when I see ant, not only does he first have to get super long arms, even though he's not super tall, he's like six, four, he's got really long arms. He wants to defend. And that's the thing about Tatum.

One of the things that happens at ESPN is that, you know, we always have these parlor games, you know, for first take, who is the best duo, who's the best guy to build around, who would you pick to start a team with? And I am always going to default to the guys that play both ends. And Tatum plays both ends. And that's why a lot of people I think would pick Tatum, but aunt plays both ends and he wants it. Yeah.

He wants the ball. He wants the microphone. Honestly, I would, I was so impressed with him wearing the microphone. I, if I was in these draft meetings, you know, I was listening to guys talk about what they got, what they got asked by, I know this is a big thing at the NFL combine. This is a thing that's been going on for years. I would start asking potential top picks, would you wear a microphone for a road game? I love this one. I could just see it.

Yeah. Brian Winnour sitting in like a, you know, a front office, like a set of money ball. And you got the, you're doing the Utah jazz thing and be like, will he wear a microphone game seven? Right. Like you got the coach over there going, how would you execute this pin down? Uh, and you got, you know, the general manager going like, uh, you know, what's your most embarrassing moment? You know, well, you know, the first time you were alone, uh, in the backseat of a car with a woman, uh, what did you do? And then I would be like, they get to me and I'm the guy like, you know, the consultant who's like, you know, got some sort of BS thing.

Would you wear the mic and game seven on the road? That's easy. That's what that would be. Okay. That's my question. See you guys later. What about this? Do you think that Jason Tatum is such a coward that he made sure that his team had home court advantage

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thing is, it all starts with a Chevy truck. And now here's more wind horse. All right. So, so that's Celtics Pacer series. The Celtics are really, really good. Like I know that they have not played. Thank you for saying that. Well, it's, it's, it's unfortunate to Celtics play in a conference that is not good and they are a lot better than everyone. Um, I, they're very, very good. They, they very well could win the title. I would probably, they're the favorites right now. Is there any chance the Pacers can win this series? And if they do, how does, what, what has to happen? It's so tough to say that there's no chance because I've seen the Celtics play in the

playoffs these last few years. Um, as I wrote in my 2009 book, what was the name of that book? What's going on right now reminds me of in 2009, the Cavs won 66 games. They went eight and oh, the first two rounds of the playoffs obliterated the first two opponents, but weren't like amazingly impressive. They just, they got through the series. They had to wait nine days and they played Orlando mad. The Orlando Magic, who had just got off a seven game series with the Celtics. Same situation. Orlando wins on a Sunday afternoon

and comes to Cleveland to play the number one seed. Sixty six wins Celtics have 64 wins. And the Cavs weren't ready for it. Now, that Orlando team was not the sixth seed. I think the three seed, I think they won like 57 games. It's not exactly apples to apples. But I remember about that game is the magic hit the floor, like they had been driving in a race

going 100 miles an hour. And the Cavs hit the floor, like they were slowly merging on like grandma looking over their shoulder with the turn signal on. And so that's one thing I'll say about this is that the Pacers have been playing meaningful every game matters basketball, even back into the back end of the regular season because they were trying to get that 60 they didn't want the seven and go into the play in. And that's why they haven't lost a home game in two months. I think the last home game they lost was like March 18th because all those games they had to win. And when you're, when you're the sixth seed, you can't be losing a home game in the playoffs and thinking you have any chance. And so they haven't, they've got, they've approached all those

home games. Seriously. The other thing is it seems to me like the Pacers fans don't sell their tickets. games seriously. The other thing is it seems to me like the Pacers fans don't sell their tickets. So you know, the Knicks have a huge fan base. We saw them and I know Philadelphia and Indiana, it's different. But you know, I think there's not a lot of Knicks fans, Chicago area or whatever. When when when the doors opened up for game three, like all of a sudden, like the first 20 fans that came down to the court were Knicks fans. I was like, Oh boy, here we go again. Nope, that whole that whole crowd was was that gold yellow, whatever we go again. Nope. That whole crowd was that gold, yellow, whatever you want to call it. That place is hard place to play. So I know that the Pacers are much more in rhythm than the Celtics because these two series that the Celtics had,

they were not exactly put the metal to the gas to the floor series. The Celtics have had time off and the Pacers are awesome at home. So I do think this is not going to be a pushover. The Celtics are going to have to play. And then the same sentence, same paragraph, I'll say the Pacers are there in large part because the teams that they played were so banged up. No Yanniston, Dame got hurt. Half the Knicks got hurt and they were already missing Julius Randall. I want to honor the Pacers in the same way as saying that they were the beneficiary of not playing a team like the Celtics to this point. Yeah. That's a good answer. I think that's valid. That's valid because they did, they took care of business and the

Knicks weren't necessarily like an easy out for them. That was a seven game series and they gave them all they could handle, even with the depleted roster. But I do feel like the Pacers, they can score. And the Celtics, they have a couple games, it feels like every series for the last few years, where they just forget how to shoot, where they can't make a shot. And if you do that.

Sometimes, PFT, sometimes they don't dribble. Yeah. Sometimes they forget how to dribble. Yeah. And if you can't dribble or shoot, the Pac are gonna outscore you they'll be able to do that So I feel like I feel like the Celtics should win this series They should win it easily, but I wouldn't be shocked if the Pacers took two off them Yeah, I think that's a fair thing to say the other thing is like the Celtics

They just they've cost me so much time with my family the last two years. What I mean by that is they've had so many series that should have been over and that they messed around in when I could have come home in between series. That's when you as a, as a media member, that's when you get acutely aware of every thing that happens in a game. And, you know, getting down 3-0 to the heat and then winning three in a row, and then losing game seven. If I was a Celtics fan, I don't know if I'd have been able to recover from the experience of that series, you know? And so that's the thing. They never do what you expect them to do. Yeah. Yeah. No, they're two losses.

This playoffs have been like blowout losses, which had you scratch your head. But then what do they do? They just dominate the team after that. And it's like that was never even a doubt. They're so much better than the Cavs in the Heat. Well, it's game twos, right? Yeah, game twos.

Boston sports in general cannot win a game two in a series. That's what Hank's been saying. So he's worried about game twos. All right. So, um, yeah, I like your answer though with the Pacers playing meaningful games, you know, the last two months and the Celtics have been on cruise control. I still think they're going to win this series somewhat easily, but that is a wrinkle. I had a question for you about, uh, so I did a bad job probably explaining it on our show on Monday. Um, but the Mavs proved the tanking works with Derek Lively playing incredible in game six. Uh, I remember the NBA media and everyone being like pretty upset that the Mavs were blatantly tanking when they still couldn't, Luca was pissed

off. Yeah. They still could have made the playing game. Is, is the league going to now overreact to this? Because it, if I am all a big believer, if your team doesn't have a chance to win a championship, think about the future. Don't think about playing in a playing game and getting one more home home court, you know, set sale for the owner. Think about the future. And that's what the math did. And they did it and it worked. Yeah. And so Luca had so Luca had in the closeout game against the Thunder, Luca had a couple of like alley oops to Derek Lively and he kind of had like this sly smile at the end of the game in the postgame press conference. He was like I'm actually pretty happy that the Mavericks got Derek Lively. Right. Which was his sort of, I mean it was already obviously well known but it was sort of

his little like wink like I guess it was worth it. Here's the thing his sort of, I mean, it was already obviously well known, but it was sort of his little like wink. Like I guess it was worth it. Here's the thing about the NBA. You can tank. Just don't, just don't say you're tanking. That's when you get in trouble. You know, when you say that your tank is when you get in trouble and you know, I think there's been a fine or two over the years. Um, I think the Mavericks even got hit with it because I think Mark Cuban, like in our, an interview someone said well We tanked they don't care. They just you know, you know, you know, it's like it's like

They didn't care that you rested the players They just wanted you like announced it in the in advance or sometimes not even say that they were resting It's about perception that you don't need like you don't need to bring in like a hundred thousand dollar consultant Who's got you know three management degrees and 50 years of experience fixing? Distress companies to get the idea that looking at how the NBA rules work and have suggesting tanking You know go tell the the San Antonio Spurs the tanking doesn't work, right? Yeah, excuse me Yeah, they got Tim Duncan and they got Victor Wemba Yama by blat that tanking doesn't work. Right. Excuse me. Yeah. They got Tim Duncan and they got Victor Wemba Nyama by blatantly tanking in both situations. Yeah. So,

of course, and it, but not only that, but they, the Mavericks, one of the big problems the Mavericks had last year was that they were after the Kyrie trade is that they were ridiculously top heavy. They had those two guys and that's it. And Nico Harrison, who's their GM, and Mark Cuban, who's involved with those kinds of things. They really got creative in ways to get a couple of extra guys to fill this roster out. And one of them was tanking to get Derek Lively. And by the way, they did a draft night trade. They not only tanked, they did their work on the scouting end and correctly identified that Derek Lively was the guy that was going to fit perfect for them. And then when they, and then they drew, got their information by other teams.

And then when they got to draft night, they saw an opportunity to move back in the draft and maneuver a little bit and still get the guy that they wanted. And those assets helped them later on. They did a deal with Sacramento and they got kind of creative and it's actually kind of fascinating this trade deadline trade they made with Oklahoma city. They needed, they needed an extra first round pick. They only were allowed to trade one because they traded a bunch of stuff for Kyrie. They needed, they wanted to, well, they really wanted to trade for Kyle Kuzma, but Kyle Kuzma said he didn't want to be a Maverick and the Wizards actually allowed him

to veto the trade, which is one of the most amazing crazy NBA season. And they went on the record, Michael Winger, their team president won the record and said, Yeah, we went to Kyle Kuzma, and said, Do you want to go to Dallas? No, okay. See it practice tomorrow. It was like, they thought they were going to trade for Kyle Kuzma, but they made this trade with Oklahoma City where they traded a pick swap like in 2030 for a first round pick and they would use that pick to trade for PJ Washington.

I'm like, look, I'm not even blaming the thunder. That pick swap in 2030, who knows where Luke is going to be that might end up being a top five pick right now But PJ Washington splashing threes on the Thunder when they enabled that trade Maybe a little bit harder for breakfast to go down in the morning, but they did a great job in Dallas to Manufacture getting Derek Lively because they very easily could have been in like in and out of the playoffs and not had that pick manufacturing, how to get a PJ Washington Gafford was sort of the backup deal when when when Kuzma said no, but they did do that trade, they did acquire that player. And they've added three rotation players. One year to the next, like three rotation players on a conference finals team. Like, that's easy to do. And without without sacrificing either of their two top star players. So yeah, lively was part of an overall strategy by Nico Harrison, who you know, is there is there GM or president whatever his title is was really good work. Yeah, it's crazy to go back and look how everything came together and they played it exactly perfect and lively so he's so fun to watch He's so high energy on defense. He gets the boards. He does like all the dirty work So I got a fun parlor game for us. You were talking about the the first take parlor games

Who is the best third option on any of the remaining teams? If we're doing if we're doing it like that saying okay that the role players are gonna be the difference in the playoffs who's the question third one it's a good question thank you I like it thank you yeah thank you I don't care I don't think you would make it to first take because we don't care about third options on first take we only care about you know about seven different guys and about four different teams well you guys do the Batman Robin yeah I mean Rob which is an important conversation to have. Very important. We won't do Alfred. Alfred doesn't make it. Yeah. Yeah. We'll make the cut. Pardon my take, Alfred. Yeah, let's do the Alphords.

No Alfred. Yeah. Okay, got it. Um, really, actually a really good question. Great question. Thanks. Uh, you don't even have to answer it. That was just, yeah. Yeah, we're done. You keep telling me how great it was. Poor Zingus is Alfred there. Ooh, wait. And we, and we don't know know how good he's going to be. Wait. So is Porzingis your Alfred? Yeah.

You don't think so? You think he's Robin? I think Derek White. Derek White has been so good. Maybe it's just because Porzingis has been injured. But when Derek White is going, that Celtics team feels like it has a different gear. He's playing like an Alfred.

Right. I'll give you that's right in forcing But I injured okay, that's fair. I think they need poor Zingas to be the okay. That's fair Yeah, but white is played like an outfit. Yeah, he's a of all the classic Alfred's Yes, there been more of a classic more classic Alfred than Derek White this year I think not Derek White actually been he he had a few games we played but like Batman. Pooh you're not kidding Superman. Yeah. Also you know he did something interesting. They offered him a contract extension last fall which I don't know how much they offered him. He turned it down. He's the contract he's on right now is like it's it's good but like he is so much better than that.

He totally like kind of bet on himself and maybe it was was a no brainer, turn it down. Like, I don't know what the numbers were. Then he had this awesome season. Boston's got to pay him. Like, like, so, so Jason, so, uh, Jalen Brown's $300 million contract starts next year. It was signed a year early. Tatum has already qualified for his 300 million. Actually, actually Jalen Brown's came in a little below 300. It was like 288. I think Jaylen or I think Jason Tatum's is going to be about like three Oh eight or something like that. So they're going to sign him. He's good. They're giving him 300 million. They have to, you got to pay Derek white by the way. That's going to be an expensive team. I right. So poor Zingas is your number one Alfred?

I think so. But, you know, like PJ Washington was pretty important. He was a big Alfred. He was a big Alfred. Okay. Yeah. I'm going to stick with poor Zingas. Okay. Final answer. All right. What about the Wolves Alfred? Who's the Alfred that needs some? Cause you know, you'd think it would be a, a, however you look at it, Rudy or cat, but it could easily be a Jayden McDaniels. Yeah.

I think McDaniels is big, but you know, um, Nikola Jokic who is not somebody who I would say is effusive about too many things, you know, what basically gave Mike Conley Valentine? Yeah after getting eliminated And also you always congratulate the opposition when you lose, but you're not in the mood When you're sitting up there and you're thinking about your season being over. He took the time to basically completely applaud Mike Conley. And so while Conley is not gonna put up 25 a game normally, he gets them organized.

Cause you know, that team gets a little wild, you know, cat starts having possessions where things go a little crazy and it goes a little off board. And Conley always does the right thing. Sometimes it's to get the ball and immediately pass it. He has the ball in his hand for two tenths of a second cause that's the right thing. Sometimes it's to get the ball and immediately pass it. He has the ball in his hand for two tenths of a second because that's the right thing to do. Sometimes what he does is he gets the ball and he's like, okay, you go over here,

you get over there. Rudy needs a touch. Rudy's getting frustrated. He's blowing steam a little bit. We're going to give Rudy go bear a touch because it's going to help us on the defensive end. Mike Conley, I think is probably their third. Jayden Mcgannis is more important, I guess, because they got to use him on Luca. But Mike Conley playing well and being healthy and doing his job, I think is third most important on the board. And the games he didn't play this postseason, they did look like a much different team. They looked way worse.

Yeah, and it said that. They were like, what's the adjustment? He's like, we didn't have Mike Conley. Feels like the Timberwolves have several Alphards, like Nas Reid. He could be an Alfred too. Wow. I love Nas Reid. Nas Reid's awesome to watch. So much fun. That stretch he had in game seven was like a two minute stretch where he completely dominated the game on both ends. Like it feels like he has that every other game

where it's like, oh, this game was just decided by Nas Reed just outplaying everyone. He's sixth man of the year. Yeah, yeah. And he is so strong. He's so strong. There's that, you know what? There's a lot of super subs.

You know, you're talking about Alfred. Talk about super subs. I don't know, work on your cartoon account for that, PFT. I don't know. TJ McConnell. Yep. Guy is amazing. work on your cartoon account for that PF. Yeah. I don't know. TJ McConnell. Yup. Guy is amazing. I mean, just watch TJ McConnell play.

It's just amazing. It's Peyton, Peyton Pritchard who is an absolute pest when he comes in the game for Boston, you got Nas Reed defensive or a six man of the year and Derek Lively comes off the year. And Derek lively comes off the bench. I mean, super subs. Like, and by the way, that's one of the reasons why these teams are here. Have good pensions. You forgot Luca Garza. Luca Garza, by the way. Yeah.

That dude is freaking ripped. He's if you see his dad, his dad's big too. I don't want to mess with his dad. I mean, that guy is even in a league where you see freak athletes, because with all due respect to NFL players and baseball players, the freak athletes are in the NBA. Yeah. Baseball players are not taking offense. There's certain NFL players that are incredible athletes. Like for example, when I sit next to Shannon Sharp on the set of first take, I look at him. He's like 50 something years old. I'm like, how the hell did anybody ever tackle him?

Yeah. Ever. But even amongst the freak athletes through the NBA, where you've got these six foot 10 guys who were ripped. Luca Garza stands out. Yeah. Buff. And I loved it when you know, it's like whenever you get the Luca Garza minutes, you're like, all right, Tim rules are rolling. So it's, you know, you got a mentioned not quite Darko Milicich victory cigar, but I could, I can see that. I would never say that to him. No, no, no, no, no, no, please, no, no. Please, please

enter the game. You know, allow me. Yes. Yes. Um, all right. Well, Wendy, I had one last question for you. I, you don't do predictions by the way, Wendy doesn't do predictions, which I respect. I mean, sometimes I get like tricked into it. So maybe you're going to trick me into it, but I prefer not to. Yeah. You, I mean, like I said, I listened to, to, to you and, and bond temps and Mc McManon, and you actually did accidentally predict that the Nuggets were going to win that series. By the way, shady business on that particular thing, because we have a group chat where we talk about the show

before the show. I'm sure you guys maybe sent a text to each other. Oh, yeah. And I said Nuggets are going to win the series, like when it was two one and they took that from, you don't bring the group chat. Oh yeah. You're different rules. Everything is said in the group chat here is set out loud. You know, it's fair game. Everything. That's why our pre podcast conversation. Yeah. Yeah. Listen, there are no, I mean we got

when Hank takes a nap every other day, we tape them doing it, taking a nap, like everything. No, I got it. Yeah. I got it. Yeah. We're on the record all the time. So our pre podcast conversations on texts are basically just like, what do you guys want to eat for dinner? Yeah. And then, and then if Hank tries to jinx one of our bets. So you're saying I got to take the L not only that I made a prediction that wasn't meant to be public that turned out to be wrong. Yeah. You can't make the prediction. Yeah. Yeah. Wherever you make the prediction, it still counts.

Because that tells me that you do make predictions. You just don't want to do it publicly. Yeah. You don't want to get the backlash if you're wrong. Busted. So you have to be about that life on and off the court. Yes. Busted.

Okay. All right. So my last question, the row back question, rhopack.com promo code take 20% off your first purchase. Q-zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts, rowback.com promo code take. You don't make predictions. But if we were to see a text message on a group chat from Wendy, he would have said with the final four set, this team's going to win it all. Again, this is not a prediction. If Boston doesn't win, it's a terrible missed opportunity. Okay. Terrible.

I like that way you spend it, because that's not a prediction. Because like, who is, like Boston, first off, they've been here a whole bunch of times, like six or whatever conference finals in the last like nine years. LeBron's not in their way, the Warriors are not in their way, Giannis, who they had to go seven a couple years ago

and they only won that series really because Middleton got hurt. Janis, they didn't make it there because he was hurt. The team that, the only team that handled them all year long in a regular season was the Nuggets. I think they lost three games in Boston. Nuggets came in there and handled them. They're gone. Like I'm not saying that, you know, Luca is a pushover and as a pushover.

I'm not, you know, disrespecting the Pacers, but if you're going to win the title, how you got home court, you're playing the six seed again, with all due respect to the nuggets or the Pacers, they're the six seed, you're playing the six seed in the conference final. or the Pacers, they're the sixth seed. You're playing the sixth seed in the conference final. You know, if you're not going to win 18 banner 18, that's the whole thing about Boston, Boston, LA. They both got 17 banners. They both won 18. When is it going to happen? Like, I mean, yeah, they've got an injury to poor Zingas, but look at the other teams. Other teams have also had injuries, you know, so it's sitting there in Boston's lap. They've got to take it.

Also, they haven't had to work. They hadn't had to stress the last half of the last quarter of the season. They haven't really had to stress in these playoffs. Like, there's just no assuming health. They got nothing to, they got no excuses. OK. So you're saying it's now or never.

Good non-prediction, but I get what you're saying. Championship window closing on the Celtics if they don't know, I will say this this year and next year with where the Celtics salaries are because you look at who they're paying. They're gonna have three guys making 300 million. Poor Zingas, what he's making, they have to pay Derek White, they just extended drew holiday. They are not the the clippers, their ownership does not have $120 billion, they could not historically they cannot pay unlimited amount of luxury tax, their team is set up this particular group is set up for this year and next year. Then I think they will have to potentially retrofit a little bit doesn't mean they're not

gonna have Tatum and Brown and there but if they're going to win it, it was even if they were playing 86 version of the Celtics or the 97 Bulls or whatever, it was going to be, this was going to be their prime prime these two years. So even more amped up 2024 and 2025, I'm sorry, are where the Celtics have to hit it. And this is, this is a great opportunity right now. Okay. Seize the day. So all right. Well, Wendy You're the best. We appreciate you as always go buy a book so we can get an update on LeBron strength Thank you so much and we'll see you on TV and hear you on podcasts How strong is Luca Garza? That is he's so strong. I think you said so buff. Yeah

That's different than strong by the way. Yeah, I is one tends to go with the other but Luca Garza. I'm just telling you man Don't bleep talk Luca Garza. Okay That's good good lasting advice and tell us about Kyrie's eclipse stats, too Yeah, let us know even if I'm gonna get back to you on that Yeah, I'm like one small part of his game if that's all that it takes that's taken enormous leaps since then we'll just run with That's you own of totality. That's what they should call his cheering section in Dallas zone of total. I love it. I love it All right. Thank you so much windy. Take care guys

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pre-order that right now and you get college football 25 and Madden NFL 25. Max, was that your best take ever? It might be. It might be. Yeah, I can't wait for this game. I cannot wait for this game. I cannot wait for this game. All right, Hank, pardon your takes. Hey guys. Hey Hank. I have sports theory about the PGA.

Oh. I have reasons to believe that Scotty was set up to be arrested. If you look at the PGA numbers the day before, it was extremely down, and they've been down all season. That's a little editorial I added. Oh. So. Oh, that oh that was live Hank

It's just a fact They paid a cop to tell Scottie the wrong information The police department knew what time he'd be coming in and what car he would be in I believe it was set up for a large number of views the next couple of days Xander a PGA Stan was given the opportunity to make a great story, which he did the story doesn't add up I'll be doing more investigating to this subject have a great day I like this I like this a lot false flag arrest look up our operation Northwoods we have a history of this type of stuff what happened operation

Northwoods the CIA was trying to have people hijack airplanes and then crash them and then blame it on the government of Cuba so we'd invade Cuba oh and then John F Kennedy said no we're not to do that because we're not going to murder our own citizens. And then the CIA killed him. Ooh, but yeah, same thing. Same thing happened with Scottie Scheffler. Cuba arrested Scottie Scheffler. History doesn't necessarily repeat itself, but sometimes it rhymes. I, I like this take a lot. I mean, who the cat, that was a story that took over the entire internet that like casual fans Sports fans had to have seen it led everything and Scotty winning would have been boring for the sport right mm-hmm So they're like what if Scotty winning with a felony well like how do we get him to not win?

Well that wasn't why he didn't win he didn't win because he just didn't have his caddy on Saturday Also, Jeff the craziest story ever Jeff Darlington. He's an NFL guy. Yeah, he happened to be there Oh be the one that saw this interesting that is interesting is maybe Schefter cuz you know Schefter's in the Illuminati He probably was like I'll throw you a bone Jeff Darlington. Mm-hmm. You can have this one Well, I was thinking that if it was a PGA reporter if it was someone esteemed like true and Rappaport that was there sure you would never go along with anything like this true But you call in a hired gun for me not from the outside Darlington's your patsy He brings you and now you've got the report front and center video evidence Why did it take an hour for Jeff to release the video that he took of Scottie getting arrested?

Have you thought about that one? He had the video before he had the tweet, but he put the tweet out first then an hour later Put out the video was edited. Yeah, you have to send it back to Bristol. Yeah, this all makes sense. I like it Yeah, good day because they're scared of Hank and the live boys It's good take an idea that will write all that is wrong with this country. Oh Prison league basketball is televised and in ranked bracket winning team is freed from prison Yeah, okay. Yeah in yeah, sure 100% in what I heard was more sports I'm actually shocked that mr. Beast hasn't figured out a way to like do like a free the prisoners

I got a thousand prisoners and I see see which one could stand for the longest. Like that doesn't that feel like something he's maybe working on like squid games. Yeah. Yeah, I could see it. I built a giant horse and I put a bunch of soldiers inside of it and now we're wheeling it up to Moscow Russia to see if they accept this gift. Yeah, I could see it for sure. I have a question that should have happened a few weeks ago. Oh, but do you think when a player is surrounded by a bunch of other four or five star prospects that it hurts a player's potential growth? One school that specifically comes to mind is Alabama. Outside of wide receiver running back, they historically

don't have great NFL showing despite being drafted high. I am not an Alabama hater, but there are many situations where standouts, Bama, Ohio state, Clemson, et cetera, that don't perform well in NFL offensive lineman and quarterbacks stick out particularly. Yeah. So quarter, I guess you could say in recent history, Alabama, your muffs big cat, no, I know Ohio state, Ohio State forever. The quarterbacks don't pan out. Maybe it's because they've got great receipt. They don't have to work on the small details as much as the guys that don't have all that talent around them. But then how would you explain Joe Burrow? It's a fair point. LSU. Right. He had a great receiver.

He's Justin Jefferson. Like he had incredible receivers around him, but they're not traditionally a quarterback No, but I'm saying like how would you explain a guy like that who? Good in in college with incredible talent and then also good in the NFL. He was actually the double threat He was LSU and Ohio State. Yeah No, this is a regular take I kind of agree with it because you guys get, if everyone is always open, it's going to be easier and harder to grade. But what about quarterbacks that go to maybe not as good of a program and they play worse competition?

So it's easier for them because they're not playing as good defenses. Josh Allen. Jay Cutler was really the best example of this. Yeah. Jay Cutler at Vandy. Caleb Williams. Didn't have great receivers. Gets to the NFL, but he's still used to playing against SEC defenses.

It turns out that it's just harder to pick quarterbacks. Yeah, probably. All right, last one. The NBA season should start in December and finals should finish first week of August. Yes. Played fully indoors so the weather doesn't matter. It fills the void of no major sports in July and early August. And it did compete with NFL viewers for less than two months or for two less months. Everybody wins. I don't think it should

go to August because like when you're in July, you don't want to be sitting inside watching sports the whole time if it's the NBA, if it's the conference championship. But I am a big proponent of starting it, like 60 game season started on December 25th. Remember the year of the lockout year that started? That was awesome. That was good. Best schedule.

What if it was the NHL that did that? That way you get to go to hockey games in July. It's nice and cool in there. Yeah, I just think that July is very is very hard. Yeah, to get people to watch. So I yeah, I am. I think every sport outside of football should do smaller seasons. Like 60 games in the NHL and the NBA. It feels like it would be you just have more at stake. MLB should be like 120. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We're just, cause that's really, and it's, you can't do 18 games or 17 games like they do in the NFL, but that's why the

NFL, part of the reason why the NFL is so highly rated and so widely popular is every single week matters. There's only 17 of them. I can't imagine that. What are the average ticket gates for NBA games in the month of November? Still probably in big cities probably still very they're still making enough money where the owners will never agree to yeah No, they'll never shorten. Yeah, cuz also the that's less TV revenue true. Like if anything, they'll probably do more games Well, maybe some double headers Yeah, double headers. I'll be that'd be sick double header NBA game would double headers. That'd be sick. Double header NBA game would be awesome. It'd be great.

Yeah. Load management city, the Tibbs would love some double headers. Or just have it be like, have like AAU week, where it's like every team plays, they play double headers and also every single day. Like they do a full tournament for five days straight.

Yeah. Just knock out 15 games. Yeah, that would rock. That's what they used to do in UFC too. Yeah. It would just be like you have to keep fighting this entire weekend. Yeah. I do think the NBA should, I actually think one thing the NBA could fix, for the most of the NBA season it's what, like three games a week, right? If the NBA should do a consistent, call it Tuesday, Friday, or whatever you wanna do, where it's like these are the two days that everyone plays. So people can start getting their schedules around it.

Where it's like, I don't know how it would actually work out if there's enough games, but if you had an actual day where it's like these are the days that are played, Tuesday, Friday, you know you're gonna get to see the entire full slate of NBA, I think that'd be cool. It's like in football, you know that the games are going to be on Sunday and then Mondays and then sometimes Wednesdays and then every Thursday and then also some Friday, Friday and Saturdays too late in the season.

They make it very easy for football fans to know when the games are on. There's only six to seven days. Yes. Except for COVID. There was a Tuesday night. There was a Tuesday night. We have Brazil Friday this year. Week one. Brazil. Yeah. And the Black Friday last year. Yeah. Was that Let's Go Birds? The birds played Brazil. How do you

think the bird season is gonna go this year? Great. Why? Why are you why'd you say tough division? Are you worried at all that you got the guy It's too early it goes it goes directly from and bead season to do it sees are you just are you sure oh, yeah Couldn't be 100% the guy 100% okay 100% Nick Sirianni Jalen hurt you think he's the guy Sirianni couldalen hurt you think he's the guy the sir I could be could be back

Some pretty confident. I'm optim I'm going in this season optimistic with Sirianni. We got good coordinators this year We didn't have good coordinators last year. Hmm leader men. This isn't this isn't Eagles talk. Okay Well, you you said go bird. You said the Brazil game No, no, Jake said the Brazil game the booth started the Eagles talk. We were talking about days. Yeah. Sorry. But I was no Jake, don't, don't apologize for that. We're, we're having a day's conversation and then, and then Max had to insert his birds into a conversation. Well, you bring up the birds. I got a, it's my God given right to say go birds. It was very funny. Max did an interview. Uh, what, what's the show's name? Barstow breakdown, barstow breakdown. Those guys are awesome. Yep. But Max did an interview. What's the show's name? Barstool Breakdown.

Barstool Breakdown. Those guys are awesome. But Max did an interview. He was retelling, coming on with Pardon My Take and Hank telling him like, hey, like this is going to work out because you're a big Philly guy and like Big Cat said he wants a big Philly guy and Max said back to Hank like, okay, but I don't really know when that's going to come up. Yeah, that did happen. Whoops. Okay. Let's finish this show.

Numbers? Eight. Forty-six. Twenty. Oh! Check it. That was a dead heat. I think Big Cat got it.

Shut up, Hank. Brock's paper shoes shoe for it. Hank, I mean. Eighteen. Well, you're a scale. Yeah. No, I mean I'm a writer Dead heat so got it You got it looks like big cats like a alright 56 let's go. All right Shane Shane 99 Pug change in change 21 3

Lottery ball has chance to the funniest thing right now Let's go 46 that's me you got it. Yeah, wait seriously. Yeah. Oh, I didn't even hear excited Hank Good job Hank 46 Jordy 40 dude really happy. It's so fucking easy to do right Wow the Max did you take anything from that like that was Hank just showed you how fucking easy this I know he showed PFT and I It's no should you I know you showed Hank were you sure I didn't like that you're showing me or were you showing Max how easy it was?

I mean, Max is one of those things, he's just a loser. Yeah, right. Exactly. It's fun to win in his face, but it's also like he's never going to get there. Right. He's never going to get it. I have got it. You know that he's never going to get it.

I have gotten it. No, no. No, you haven't. No, you haven't. I got it in New York before you did, buddy. It doesn't matter. I feel like 46 has come up a lot. Easy, Hank. I just started picking it. Yeah, Hank. That wasn't even you didn't even react

Let's go look numbers third time. I'm part of my balls calm 20 suck Hank is a fucking beast at this good work Hank Yeah, max just what? T Hank real quick. How did you do that? You know Real quick, how did you do that? Uh, you know, uh, how did you do it? I just, I just picked two numbers that were good luck, you know, reminded me of some friends and those were their lucky numbers. So I combined Joe Biden. Yeah.

And you just, you just said the number, right? Yeah. 46 and then it came up and just popped right up. We can learn from this. Did you say that was impressive? I've been saying it. Okay. No, that was like your reaction has me very confused max you're talking. I just it's like I've already won before I know You know I'm now you know max you're talking a whole lot right now

For someone who's not mad I'm not mad. I'm just I mean something we can learn on learn from learn from learn from listen Max Is that I don't give a fuck about the lottery machine because either again you're talking a lot. Just Christ Max. I don't give a fuck about it. It's just numbers. It's going to happen eventually. It's just statistics for me so I'm not concerned at all about it. That's why I'm not forcing myself to nod my head a lot and say yeah I'm going to get this. PFT you're going to get this. You're not going to get it because you're so nervous about it. You're going to psych yourself out.

The lottery ball knows. It's like, it's like a dog. They smell the fear. They don't want anything to do with Max hates dogs too. Right. That was so good, Hank. Thank you. You're the fucking man. Thank you. Max, maybe wake up tomorrow and be like, how can I be more like Hank? Well, actually, no, that wouldn't be waking up. Maybe sleep in tomorrow and be like, how can I be more like Hank? Love you guys. Shine away, though I'm a-comin' for your love of the king Take on me, take me on I'll be gone in a day or two Needless to say, I'm on sentence

But I'm at least a little late But I know life is okay Say I'm free The burnin' on the fly is okay, safe for me It's no better to be safe than sorry Take on me Take me on I'll be gone in a day or two All the things that you say, yeah Is it life or just to play my worries away? You're all the things I've got to remember

And you're shying away Well, I'll be coming for you anyway Take on me Take me on I'll be gone In a day So So So Thank you.