Pardon My Take - Randy Moss Talking Kentucky Derby, Joakim Noah In Studio, The Lakers Go Out Sad, Jalen Brunson Ends The Pistons, Hockey Playoffs + Fyre Fest of The Week

Episode Date: May 2, 2025

Jalen Brunson and the Knicks are marching on after taking out the Pistons in Game 6 (00:00:00-00:07:35). We talk the Lakers going out sad after the Timberwolves crushed them and is Nico Harrison a little bit right (00:07:35-00:22:00)? The Warriors/Rockets series is weird and the Clips/Nuggets rock (00:22:00-00:33:01). We have teams advancing in playoff hockey and PFT is ready for the Hurricanes (00:33:01-00:40:51). We're officially on the Colorado Rockies owners ass (00:40:51-00:47:38). Randy Moss joins the show to talk Kentucky Derby, dumb hypotheticals, who he likes on Friday and who is going to win the Kentucky Derby (00:47:38-01:20:33). Joakim Noah joins the show in studio to talk playoff basketball, Florida winning the natty, how it took him 3 years after retirement to start watching basketball again and more (01:20:33-02:05:30). We finish with Fyre Fest of the week and a lot of updates on our girl Jordon and her boyfriend Bill Belichick (02:05:30-02:30:44).You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/pardon-my-take

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Today is Friday, May 2nd. Bing Bong, Hanky. Bing Bong. Bing Bong. Bing Bong. Hank was very upset that the Knicks won this game. Yeah, it was. Very upset. You were trying to pretend like you were rooting for just an extended series. I could tell. I know Hank pretty well. You would have preferred, I think, to have seen the Pistons. No, I'm excited for the Knicks. I'm excited too. It's going to be good content. To get Mr. Bing Bong back? I'd like to have seen the Pistons. No, I'm excited for the next. I'm excited to, uh, it's going to be good content to get

Mr. Bing Bong back. Yeah. We will be with Mr. Bing Bong game one at the Beck Gala in Arizona. Jerry O'Connell will be with us live streaming the game and New York fans are the loudest fans and never win anything. And it's just fun to shut them up. Well, we should get excited to be new. They did win this series and we should give jail. They went into the Pistons lose it. Well, the Pistons did choke in the end, but Jalen Brunson multiple times in the ref show. That's, you know, when's a win. Jalen Brunson, we got to give him, he scored 40 points. One of the coldest, uh, crossover three in, in the eye on Azir Thompson, who was awesome all series playing defense, but Jalen Brunson

is just that good. And that was such a cool moment. He lost him by about seven, eight steps. It was crazy. He went off the camera. He went out of the frame of the camera on defense on that crossover. Yeah. And then Jalen Brunson just steps back and hits it. He had a 40 point game last year, right? And in a game seven or a game six, some elimination game. Yeah. Jalen Brunson, he is good. The Brunson burner ignited the Brunson burner. I like that. That was iron Eagles call. I liked that a lot. Brunson burner ignited. I appreciate that. I also want to give respect to the Detroit crowd. Yeah. They did a great job tonight. I liked when they got in unison

enchanted floper. Yeah. As the refs were reviewing it, I thought they were saying soccer, which would have also played for what Jalen Brunson did on that particular play. And I've said this throughout this entire series. Yes, it sucks if you're a Pistons fan waking up this morning and you lost a series that you very well could have won because every game felt like a coin flip. And you know, you had game one where you blew a big lead. You had game four where you got screwed by the refs. Either, either way, perspective, the Pistons have a very bright future because Kate Cunningham stepped up, stepped up like that level playoff series, young team getting their first taste of it. It sucks to hear, but the Pistons have a very bright future and the Knicks, Jalen Brunson is just, he's that dude.

Yeah, for sure. If you're a Pistons fan, you're going to go to sleep. You're going to be pissed off. You're going gonna wake up in the morning and you'll probably still be pissed off when you wake up in the morning. But by the end of the weekend, I think you'll probably have a good amount of optimism. You'll just be thinking, okay, we can build off this. We're gonna be awesome next year.

Let's move on. Fuck the Knicks. Yeah, right, exactly. And now Hank, you got the Knicks, you got Jalen Brunson, Carl Anthony Towns, who I think I'm just become a huge cat fan. He's so funny. You will be-

I think it's fun to root for until you're rooting for him on your team. Yeah. Well, yeah, I know. I am rooting afar and I just think he's very funny. He pulled his stomach today on a jump ball. It was like chest, stomach, shoulder. Yeah. He like jumped barely off the ground and then he just started grabbing his chest and his stomach today on a jump ball. It was like chest, stomach, shoulder. He like jumped barely off the ground.

And then he just started grabbing his chest and his stomach. And he was like, I think I pulled my stomach trying to reach up in the air. That was kind of kind of a head scratcher. But, Hank, when you say that you have the Knicks, do you have the Knicks or do the Knicks get you? Because after the game, the Knicks fans, they were outside MSG. And you know what they were chanting? What?

We want Boston. We want Boston. We want Boston. Yeah. They don't have a choice. Yeah. But sure. So they got you.

Yeah. You're saying we got them. I think they got you. Okay. What is the path for the Knicks to win this series? I do not think the Knicks are going to win this series? I do not think the next year in a win this series. I actually was thinking about it. I think if you could put campaigns brain in Carl Anthony towns head, the Knicks might have a chance. Hmm. If you just had

Carl Anthony towns with unlimited, uh, believe you like self 5% from the Well, oh, the Knicks do that all series? They could have a chance. You'll get one campaign game. You will get one, a campaign quarter maybe even. But a quarter equals a game. Yeah, that is. It can be the difference. You need Carl Anthony Towns.

Carl Anthony Towns would have to be incredible pretty much all series. Jalen Brunson is going to be incredible. Yeah, I'd say the Souths are gonna win this series. You don't think that Jalen Brunson is going to be incredible. Um, yeah, I'd say this else. You're gonna win this. You don't think the jellies gonna be incredible? I think we have an amazing perimeter defense. I think we're gonna walk them up and make, make other players beat us and the Knicks don't have those players. Who's got the better Jalen Celtics. Okay. Okay. Jalen for Jalen Jalen for Jalen. Yeah. Uh, prediction five? Five. I'm gonna say five.

I think it's a sweep. I think you guys got him. Sweep. Max? Nixon six. Nixon six! Did you see, so prediction game is tough. Memes? Memes.

Nix fan. Nixon six. Oh! Copycat. No memes just keep telling me to say Nixon six. Oh, okay. So I said next. I was just picked from the booth. Correct. Uh, speaking of predictions, uh, we got to talk about some other games. Uh, and one of them is the timber rolls closing

out the Lakers in five. And I don't know if you saw ESPN went over 11 on their experts picking this series. Uh, before we talk about the Lakers, because there's a lot to talk about the Lakers. The Wolves are awesome defensively. They were, I mean, they shot seven for 47 from three and still won this game. I actually think they were trying to win this game on hard mode because the Lakers weren't playing a center and Rudy go bear had 27 and 24, which I, this was like a redemption arc for both Rudy go bear and Julius Randall, where Rudy would go bear has been clowned on a lot and he absolutely bullied the Lakers. He put them in a torture chamber. He not only was scoring at will rebounding at will, but every single time LeBron or Luca tried to go into the post or try to drive the lane, he was there. He was, it was the Rudy go bear game.

He was dominating the pain. He was getting offensive rebounds, dunking them immediately. It seemed like that's something that Rudy should be able to do more often, but this might've been the first game where Rudy realized that there is a basket and that he can score on it. He scored 14 points in the first four games of the series. He scored 27 on, on Wednesday night. And not only that, Anthony Edwards was not good shooting. And I say shooting because he's still at the, the, the, Andy Edwards has stepped up a level where, uh, remember how much it like double teams would bother him a lot. Even earlier in the season, he said that he distributes the ball, makes good decisions,

good ball handling, rebounds the ball. So even though he shot like shit, Anthony Edwards is still a force on the field and he played great defense and out physical LeBron. And he passed. Yeah, you're right. He passed really well. He was able very frequently to get around whoever that first defense defender was that was coming out to step to him on the perimeter. He would get around whoever that person might be and then take a couple steps, find the open man. It was, yeah, he was really good. And then after the game, he took a victory lap around the stadium, which is one of the

coolest things. He had like a little squad with him as he did the victory lap. Just basically saying like, yeah, I am, I am the man now. Yeah. Like that's, I love that move. I love the fact that he's pushing LeBron during games. I love that he's not afraid to talk shit to anybody. I love that after the fact he's, he's just pissing on their grave. Yeah. That's what, that's what we want out of her superstar. Yeah. He is, he's the face of the league. If he can

win a title and the Timberwolves are just a really good team all around. And this was, uh, this was an ass kicking. They, I mean, I thought the Lakers would win on Wednesday night just out of pride. Yeah. Zero pride zero pride zero answers and the wolves are just so good defensively and Again seven for forty seven they shot worst in this game Then the Rockets did in that famous game against the Warriors in game seven Yeah, I mean if you would ask JJ Reddick if you would be okay with having Rudy go bear beat you offensively going to this game. He'd be like, yeah, that's oh That's kind of what I'm thinking. Oh, I thought I thought you're gonna say he would he would he would leave the press conference No, he leaves a not a fair question. He would leave the press conferences if you asked him

Did you talk to anybody about substitute? Did you know that you're allowed to substitute? Yeah, listen We're JJ Reddick fans cuz he's a friend of ours Except for Hank. He is a friend of ours. Not the best series for him, but he is a rookie head coach. I think you can give him a little bit of, I mean, like the Lakers, well, Luca fell into their lap this year. I think he did a very good job with the Lakers this year. He had a little bit of a problem in this series, a little bit of a meltdown.

There was a report that Reggie Miller had to calm him down, which was weird. I think that Reggie Miller probably told somebody that afterwards. I think Reggie Miller likes to be part of the conversation. Yes, yes. Yeah, and it- I think there is some truth to that, that maybe JJ was very emotional,

that he was like, you know, a little intense. He's a serious guy. He was on edge, and also I think JJ, he's a smart guy. He's played a lot of basketball. He's talked about basketball a lot. He probably had a good of basketball. He's talked about basketball a lot. He probably had a good understanding of his roster and knew that he was limited. Jackson Hayes was, I don't think he got a minute. Did he get a minute? I don't think he got a minute. So

they didn't have, they're like, Hey, we have a big guy and we're not going to play him. We're going to let Rudy go bare. Just punk punk us Yeah, he played three guys off the bench obviously came for yeah, maxi Kleber had not played with the Lakers I don't think he practiced really the latest in January and played since January and he was in a crunch time Yeah, not not exactly He didn't have a lot of outs with his roster and the two worlds were just a better team But JJ Reddick had the moment where he left the press conference Probably a learning experience for him. I still think he's a very good coach.

Hopefully LeBron doesn't fire him. And we also had JJ Reddick after. I think it was maybe after the game or today when they did media. He said that without naming names, he said the roster must get into championship shape during the off season. I think he's talking about one guy. What part of the roster are we talking about here?

I think he's talking about the Slovenian part of the roster. Is he talking about Brani? I think he's not. Brani has to grow. Brani does have to grow, but yes. Nico Harrison's a fuckhead, but was he kind of right? But also he's, he's a dickhead, but maybe also a genius like Steve jobs. So I got to, I got a couple of stats for you. Uh, Luca was, uh, some, uh, Timber Wolf drove at Luca 16 times, uh, during game five, he was blown by blow by stat nine of those 16 times. You could

see it. He was a traffic cone for most of the night. Also the Lakers defense in this series was gave up a 120.4 rating, which would have been the worst in the league for the entire league for all season when he was on the floor. Luca looked gassed. He had that third quarter where he had a flurry, but he looked gassed. Does Luca have a little early onset in bead? I think Luca has a bad back though. Yeah, yeah, you're right. Yeah, that's how he, the bad back is then when he scored like 15 points a round. Luca had, he was how he the bad back is then when he scored like 15 points a run Luca

He was he was laboring as Reggie said that was that was sarcasm Yeah Yes, wait, yeah. Yeah. Are you max about to go on vacation? He's been questioning our way to the fire fest, which was very very entertaining max. What are you questioning sarcasm on who I? Big yeah, I thought he was at, he just said he had a back pack. You, I thought you were stopping it because I said he has early onset and beat. Yes, but, and beat has never played a playoff series without a, without an injury. I understand. He never got an excuse. But you got a bad back, but he has whatever Whatever he obviously did that on purpose because then beat us hurt every series and he's never gotten the oh well

He was hurt. Yeah, well. He had a bad back. We have to forget well No, I don't think he has early onset and he got to the NBA finals last year I think Zach low put it perfectly is like everything he does is he's laboring in everything he does yeah Well, I think Reggie Miller was he the one that was like he's laboring the entire time's like, he's struggling out there. I think Lucas hurt. I think he's hurt. He looks like he's playing 50% out there. He was playing 50%. He was playing on offense. When I say early onset, and B, Lucas is a better player than him. Beat has gone to an NBA finals has won an actual conference finals. I'm saying just in, when you watch the game and play to play, you're like, is this guy going to survive? Yeah. Like that?

You just have that vibe of like, is he okay? Because he doesn't look like he's going to be okay. He looked like every single person at Barstool Sports after about 10 minutes of playing pickup, right? The way that he was turning around, running back down the court. He's got to get into championship shape. He's got to play his way into championship shape that also Anthony Edwards really, really rubbing it up, running up the score on Luca after the game's over. He still has the energy to do a Frank walks around the arena. Luca could never do that. Luca would be on a go-go scooter. Yeah. Full disclosure. I wasn't being sarcastic. Oh, okay. Oh, not sarcasm. The good news is for the, I think this is probably the fourth year in a row third year in a row

We can stop hearing ESPN say that this is the year that the Lakers are gonna go to the finals That is feels like every year. It's been the Lakers Lakers Lakers in the Edwards is the Kingslayer He took out Jokic last year. He took out LeBron this year who else KD and booker KD and Booker He is the case 23 years years old. Face of the league. Face of the league. Uh, and then the big question of this game, because I, I don't think Nico Harrison is a shit head. He is not right because he still didn't shop Luca around. He still shouldn't have traded Luca, but everything that Nico, everything Nico Harrison was standing on, Lucas, you you know being out of shape defense defensive liability

Did kind of come into play in this game? Yeah, I still would rather have Luke on my team But it was for one night Nico Harrison went to sleep happy for since the last you know since February But it's almost like Nico Harrison might have trained to the Lakers to put him in the perfect situation to be exposed defensively, right? Because on the Mavericks at least you had some people on the inside that could play some D Yeah, the center that could step up and that could cover up for some of the liability They have on the outside with the Lakers the way the roster is right now. They were basically like hey Really you can you can just stay on the inside and deal with go bear, right? Yeah, that's no problem for you. And after the game Hatchimora was like, I'm 6-8

I don't know what else you want me to do. Right? I can't, I can't really do much against this guy. Height matters. But, uh, so Lucas side, LeBron James, uh, he's still good at basketball, very good at basketball. He did seem mortal in this game five in the fact that he was, I mean, DiVincenzo hit stick them by just standing still. LeBron didn't feel like he could get anything going. I feel like this is a crossroads for the Lakers because LeBron is going to play another year. I don't know if you guys saw the report from Shams, which stopped me if you heard this before, but LeBron wants to play another year because he has a son that will be draft eligible Eligible in 2020. I love that. I love having three

James's on the on the Lakers roster Yeah, I saw that and I saw some people speculating on him retiring He LeBron James is not going to retire out of the blue and just walk off the court and that'll be it He is going to have the retirement tour Yeah, he's gonna go across the country and there's going to be like a documentary crew that follows him everywhere. And we'll have to deal with watching the TV show about LeBron James retirement as

he's currently retiring in the process of it. It's going to be a big thing. And I'm not saying he doesn't necessarily deserve it. He's been a great player for an extreme, like a crazy long period of time. 20 years, of course, he's going to get like, you know, the star treatment, but LeBron is not the kind of guy that would just silently leave his shoes at the center of the court and walk off the floor. So the big question though with LeBron is I agree with you. He's not going to retire. He's got

50 million player option next. That's the big question. Is he going to opt into the 54 million, which would then basically tie Rob Palinka's hands behind his back in terms of roster building, or is he going to be like, Hey, I actually want to try to put a roster around me because I'm not like LeBron is still very good at basketball, whatever you want to say top 15 top 20 player right now in the league, whatever. I don't, I don't know what the argument be, but like he's somewhere in there. That's probably not worth $54 million if he's 41 years old. Like he's got to pay, get paid less if LeBron wants to play another year. I would think. Well, it's his call. Like he can accept the player option. Correct. You're

saying like if he were to be a free agent right now, what would be the salary command? He could not opt. Yeah. He could not opt in and take last you can opt out and then and then willingly take a pay cut and say I would like to get paid 35 40 million dollars next year, which would be smart use that money to get a center fill the roster I'm someone over seven feet, but we're also looking at the the options that you're gonna have in like free agency Yeah, it's not great. No, not not a great market out there They can always trade brawny really you just need You just need a big body in there. Yeah, get a couple big bodies. I can give you some fouls

They were the first father-son Duo to lose a playoff series. That's crazy. Yeah, and they also the Lakers Do you know this is a fun fact the Lakers have never lost in the first round When they were a three-seater hire Did not know that yeah, I thought that this would at least go seven I thought that the NBA would would love to have Lakers quit. Yeah, then be like the Tim rolls are just a better team I don't even know it's so bad. Like that's a that's that was a that was a Lakers But the rules are not win that game as much as the Lakers just didn't like they gave up the Timberwolves

Defense like you can't really they had they had them in a fucking and Lucas hurt. They had him in a torture chamber they didn't the Timberwolves defense is very very good and I mean you saw it like LeBron didn't want like he couldn't get anything going. Rudy go bear had them all seeing ghosts whenever they would go to the rim. Austin Reeves couldn't shoot for shit. Austin Reeves had a bad series. Yeah, he had a bad series. So yeah, it'll be interesting to see what happens to like. I mean if you're a Lakers fan still if you said at the beginning of the season, Hey, we're, you're going to lose in the first round in five games, but oh yeah, Luca's going to be on your team. You take that every single

day. You would take that. Absolutely. But then what if you knew that Luca was going to be laboring? Yeah. Maybe, maybe laboring in that he looked like he was pregnant. Yeah. That's probably what they kind of look like. He was maybe pregnant at times. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, all right, so I'm just happy we can stop talking about the lakers for or and not us but the general media because that's They they take up a lot of and they weren't a serious contender, but they they weren't I know that it's like You know you have luke and lebron on a team. You're like, oh watch out. They're two unbelievable players They just didn't have a team that was going to make a deep run. Now what if what if the wolves just roll and then we can look back and say, you know, the

Lakers really gave him the best series. Mike Greenberg would say, yeah, for sure. All right. The other one. This was the weirdest game. The Rockets and the Warriors. This is just a this is this series is just ugly because it's This game the Rockets were up so they played so well in the first half That the Warriors threw the white flag with like four minutes into the third quarter And then the Warriors backups played so well that the Rockets had to put their starters back in I also like Am I crazy to say that it's, it's kind of nuts that Steve Kerr gave up on this game when it was a 13 point game

with five minutes left against the very young Rockets team where if you can put a little game pressure on them, they might fold. Like that seemed crazy to me. I'm going to trust Steve Kerr on this one. I thought so too at the time, especially cause I had, I had some Steph Curry bets that ended up not cashing because of that. So I, I like you was yelling at my TV, like put Steph back in the game's not out of hand. I just wanted to see, I didn't even have any action on it. I just wanted to see a good game. I was like, it's a 13 point game and the Rockets are one of those teams where it's like they are young and they can flinch. I just, I think that Steve Kerr, he knows his

team pretty well. He knows these guys really well and Jimmy Butler still kind of new but also banged up He just probably saw a chance to cut your losses. Yeah and rest up. They literally just punted on the game Yeah, they did. They the game started the Rockets jumped all over and which credits to the Rockets And then it was yeah, that was it and it was like, you know was, yeah, that was it. And it was like, you know, I'm in Thompson and Dylan Brooks and Fred van Vliet all were awesome, like shooting crazy percentages. And yeah, it was just over. It was over. And then they, and then, I mean, we had, I will say the one thing that was fun to watch is Pat Spencer, who was just basically, remember he is just a mini Danny Hurley from the Yukon national championship team. He came in, I think he had a game high 17 and then he got kicked

out for headbutting. I love that. It was so perfect. I think he scored, how many points did Pat Spencer score? He was kind of all over the place and then, and then got kicked out. It was a very Danny Hurley. Danny Hurley would be proud. Yeah. He had a 11 points. Who was he screaming at earlier this year? Was that KD? Yeah. You're screaming. You're thinking of a different guy. Oh, I'm thinking of a different guy. I'm thinking this is his brother. I'm thinking of cams. Spencer Spencer plays on Memphis. He yelled at KD. Pat Spencer. Pat's cross player. He's like one of the greatest. That's right. All right. Good. Good catch. Good catch. Throw everything I just said out. I would love to understand.

I, you could understand how I got that confused because Pat Spencer's also crazy and, uh, cam Spencer played for Danny Hurley. He's also crazy. He's the one who yelled at Katie. There should be a rule in the NBA that if you are a brother and especially if you're a twin, you should have to play on the same team. Yeah. Agreed. Or a son. Yeah. They kind of just look the same and they, they, when he headbutted them, I was like, yeah, that's Danny Hurley. So that's my bad. I would, I would very much like to see the warriors advance. I think that they will. I think that they'll end up taking care of business against the rockets. Mostly because I want to see, I want to see Draymond and Rudy go bear. I want to see those two lovebirds out there. I'm excited to get a bunch of tweets saying I was wrong and then 30 seconds later saying wait memes corrected you

Yeah, those are my favorites. Yeah. Oh, I got I got a ton of those from Montreal fans Listen, I don't know if like I listen the AWLs are the best fans in the world. We fuck up so much stuff That's all we do. That's the beauty of this show. We just fuck things up left and right. Especially if we're recording past midnight, which we are this past midnight. So like every NFL Sunday show that we have, I'd say it's a mess. I'd say we get more things wrong than right. But the things we get wrong were being sarcastic and Max just doesn't realize it was a bit. I was doing a bit with Pat Spencer. What Max? How many times do you think like, let's say memes didn't pick up on the Pat Spencer thing there that they would go to somebody else

and use that take because of what you just said and act like an idiot. I feel bad for that sometimes. Oh, you mean like somebody like hanging out with their friends and they say that there and they're like, yo, did you see the Yukon kid? Yeah? Yeah, but someone is like they thought that all right, so it is on us. We got to be better. I yeah I say dumb shit all the time, and I we all do yeah No, but just like get better friends get better friends. It'll be like not. I don't care that you got that wrong It was funny that you said that yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah Guys make mistakes. Let's normalize

guys fucking up. Nobody wants to know it all. No one does. Right. No. The know it alls are the worst. That's I mean you gotta make mistakes. We're no at nuns. You know what? He did play for you. Come on. Fuck that. Pat Spencer did play for you. And when he yelled at KD earlier this year. Yeah. That was fucking awesome. Yeah He basically was like yeah, he yelled at Katie's like I I'm playing for the Warriors and the Grizzlies at the same time and Bobby Hurley is my coach and memes is actually actually very rude of you to interrupt us Yeah, and to try to crash us on that. I mean just say yes and move on. Yeah, apologies Nixon six They're actually their older brother Spencer Pratt. Remember him from Real Housewives. Yeah, and his brother Chris Pr on. Yeah. Apologies. Nixon six. They're actually, they're older brothers, Spencer Pratt. Remember him from real housewives? Yeah. And his brother, Chris Pratt. Yeah. This is all, we're connecting all the dots. We just nailed that. I am excited for game six. I do agree. I

think the warriors, I think you're going to actually get a warrior's effort because you better, if you, if you decide halfway through game five, you're not trying anymore. You better have those bullets saved for you in six And then we watched Game six of so we get game six Warriors Rockets on Friday night and then we get game seven Clippers nuggets on Saturday. So which I'm very excited for the this this series is just awesome. And it feels like we're just going to have to see if we get, if we, if we keep getting the good James Harden, he was really good to my question was going to be, are we getting James Harden

right now? I think are we getting hard because this, this has happened in the past where James Harden has had good games and playoffs series. And we're like, I think this series is when James Harden is taking it seriously Yeah, and then game seven happens and we're like, why did we why did we get hard again? Yeah You know what? I'm gonna do in this game. I'm just going to I Think it's just gonna be yokage first kawaii. I think both those guys are gonna be superstars I really do because you know, you know, you always get this stats and quite had a good series But I think this is one of those games where we're gonna look up and it's gonna be

Yokich is gonna have 30 for 18 and 11 and kawaii is gonna have 39 points on like 85% shooting. I would love to see that. That sounds like a fucking awesome game to watch. That's what, that's my prediction. It's a great series though.

It is a great series. I'm very excited for game seven. What Hank? I'm just trying, I don't know who's gonna win. Who do you think is gonna win? I actually don't even know. I really have no idea. Cause you could, like you could make the, yeah.

Yeah, I don't know. Because I was convinced that the clubbers are going to win game five before that game and the Nuggets took it to them. It is crazy. They obviously nuggets. Is this is this right? The Nuggets only shot nine free throws the entire game. Yeah, that's pretty crazy. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of mid range for much moment. Jokic is probably scared of the horse heads in the crowd.

He definitely was. Maybe got inside his head. Yeah, who's gonna win this game? When is this game? This is Saturday night. This is gonna be Kentucky Derby day? Right after the Kentucky Derby. Is Jokic gonna be fired up

because he just watched the horses Or is he gonna be completely spent? I don't know He might be spent might be spent although they don't have I Don't know if that's exact horse racing that he likes he likes a carriage. Yeah, I'm sure that I'm sure that Yoke is like Yeah, no, they'll watch it. But yeah, he might be fired up Like if he loses on Kentucky Derby day, is that more likely for him to have a good game or a bad game? Well, everyone loses on Kentucky Derby Day. Wait to hear Randy

Moss, though, he'll give you some winners. You just got to follow because then I always try to outsmart myself. Good question. I don't know. I feel like if you if you lose big on Kentucky Derby Day Nothing good happens for the rest of that day right you kind of like retreat into a pit of sadness Question everything about your own brain. He needs a Spencer brother to make him to block the TV for him Is there Spencer on the Nuggets? I'm sure there is there's another one

Hawes yeah, George. Yeah, So she's still kicking around the league. Our guy Spencer Hawes. He's not in the league right now. But shout out Spencer Hawes. He's listening to this podcast. What's up, Spencer? Yeah, we love Spencer Hawes. He should be in the league.

He should be. I thought he still was. It was Spencer Hawes. The Lakers should pick up the phone. Spencer, stay by your phone. Spencer, because Rob Polanco. He's giving you a call, buddy. Yeah. All right.

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That's right. Code TAKE gets you a boost for every single NBA playoff game. Don't miss your shot at big wins. This is the moment you've been waiting for. Only on DraftKings. The crown is yours. All right, what are we doing boys? First basket everyone's got a pick. My pick is Draymond green. Oh, he's been shooting first a lot Can you show me the odds for first best? You know what? I'm gonna Haven't I'm gonna go with Jimmy Butler I'm gonna go with in Thompson's name Amen, all right on is 1101. Mm-hmm I'll go with with

Set I Shango and go yeah, I'll go with shangun the Turkish Terminator. I knew I was gonna fuck it up So thank you for stepping in that's plus 475. I got you, bro. We get things right on this Where's yeah, where's he from Max? Slovenia I know I just said it just said it like two seconds ago UNC Tarheels no turkey. Yep country He's like only 22 years old too. I was reading about him the other day. He's just been, he's been playing bad. He's like one of those guys that I think was playing professional basketball

when he was like 14 years old. He moves like it. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, okay. Hockey, PFT, you advanced. Congratulations. Caps win baby. Caps are going to the next round. Who are you playing? Oh, Revoire Canadians. We're playing the, the Carolina Hurricanes. Yes. So the East playoffs weren't great. They weren't. No, because we have, I enjoyed it. No. Yeah. Yeah. I'm just saying like in terms of a great series, we actually only have one game seven in the Stanley Cup playoffs. That's the stars and the abs, which that has been a great series. But the caps advanced, the Hurricanes advanced, I think before, I think they advanced Tuesday night, so we already recovered that. The Leafs can breathe a sigh of relief.

I was shocked. The Leafs have advanced. I think we all were thinking that this would be very funny. These are not your father's Leafs or your grandfather's Leafs. Well, that's what I've heard, But I mean, they've won playoff series before. Yeah. And I do root for fan bases that haven't seen a taste of victory in a long time that haven't had that. But then I see Paul Bissonnette

on TV wearing a stupid maple leafs tie screaming into his phone from about two centimeters away. His mustache everywhere. The mustache. Yeah. Mustache looking like Freddie Mercury on steroids. Uh, let me be clear, Paul Bissonnette, uh, you better hope that you get your ass kicked in the second round because I wouldn't like nothing better than to skull fuck you in the Eastern Conference finals. And I will, I will skull fuck you. Tom Wilson will skull fuck you so you better just bow out and lose right now I do think that the Panthers are gonna beat the Leafs Panthers seem really I mean they made quick work of the lightning

and that was a we talked around to on Wednesday show but the very physical series with suspensions and guys going out and they they they they took care of the lightning fast is that loser talk loser talk by the lightning head coach afterwards to be like, you know what? We're glad to pass the torch to the Florida Panthers as being the other team from Florida now takes what we built and they get to build on it. That's some SEC culture shit. Yeah, that's some bullshit. Yeah, that's crazy.

Root for the state of Florida. Think about this. Think about the lightning coach when he goes to, you know, a kid's living room, trying to recruit them in state. You're like, didn't you talk about the Florida Panthers having the torch now? Yeah, maybe I might go just go to school there. That's insane. Yeah, it is insane. But it was, I actually liked that series a lot. It was as long as it should have been. It would have been great to see more games, but it was still a fucking awesome playoff hockey series.

Just because we only have as of right now one game seven because the Jets and the Blues had to play game six on Friday night. Doesn't mean the hockey playoffs haven't been incredible. I mean, there's been awesome action every single night. We are having Whitney on on Sunday to break down the whole first round and preview the second round. That Starz Avs series though has been incredible. Yeah. And then the Oilers, how about the Oilers? Down two, two, two games to none. And then they just come and reverse sweep them. And excuse me, that game tonight was, it was on crack. It was, it was two, two, five minutes into the game. Yeah. Just flying around. They finally got some goaltending.

Yeah. Now there is kind of a wrinkle in the schedule that's coming in for the second round with the caps and the hurricanes. We've got a stadium scheduling issue in Carolina. So apparently, the good people of Raleigh, whoever runs that stadium, I don't know if it's the guy that that ran the payday loan company that bought the the whalers and moved them to Carolina or not. But they scheduled the arena to have a I don't know if it's the guy that that ran the payday loan company that bought the the whalers and moved them to Carolina Or not, but they scheduled the arena to have a Shane Gillis concert

Okay, and two Pearl Jam concerts. Oh jeez. Oh next week. Max Max is a good friend. Max is good friend Eddie Vedder So I don't know what they're gonna do about that because there was a time I think this was just a few years ago where it was the, the penguins and the caps that ran into the same situation and the caps got a home. I think they had a home game taken away from them because Pittsburgh fucked up their schedule. I don't know what's going to happen. Um, but the schedule, they might have to play back to back nights. Ooh, that's not good. So that would be wild. I don't know. That's not good. Um, but I'm,

I'm looking forward to the kids. The kids are a good team and they've played pretty well against the caps recently. I got to figure out a mayor's bet against, uh, I think the most famous person from Raleigh is Brandi love. And she's a hurricanes fan. That's big. Yes. Yeah. But then unless, so what should I bet against? Oh yeah. I saw our guy PMT stats. It's someone's running away with the bonk list this year and it's gonna be either me or you Yeah, so I don't know but that one didn't help. I'm fine running away with the bonk list

Yeah, but yeah Brandi if you're out there, I know you're big Cain's fan probably a big listener of the show I hate you keep saying Jordan Jordan's from she's from Raleigh. That's what the music Yeah, Bill Bill was at the game the other night. Okay. All right. So listen, this is a battle of the Titans Most or Don famous people from Raleigh. Pete Marovitch dead. Uh, RIP. Should I said that play Aiken? I think alive. John wall alive. Dougie Michael C hall. Well, the only Kane celebrity fan I'm familiar with is, is Brandi love. Okay. That's the, you're gonna then your hands are tied. Yeah. I'm giving you other ones, but your hands, my hands are definitely tied, which is the worst way to pay attention to Brandi love unless she's in the room with you, unless she's in the room with me. Right.

Ah, if, if, if the hurricanes beat the Capitol, I'll never jack off to Brandy Love again. That's a great deal. Oh, Mr. Beast. Balls in your court. Mr. Beast. This also says that Brandy Love is from Dearborn, Michigan. Oh really? But she's a Hurricanes fan.

Oh. Oh. But she, but so that was the only one you could find? No, Mr. Beasts. Was it a porn star? Yeah, Mr. Beast is not a Canes fan. He's a Rangers fan. Got it. So you could only find a porn star. is not a Keynes fan. He's a Rangers fan. Got it. So

you could only find a porn only find a porn star. I spent a lot of time looking for porn. But I mean, if, if Jordan love or Jordan Jordan, Jordan, please get her name right. If she is from Raleigh and she's a Hurricanes fan, we'll have to figure out. So they were probably at the, they were probably the Hurricanes game because they live in North Carolina now. Yeah. This says daughter of Maine. It's an,

Oh, means ain't no fun when the rabbit got the gun. It's an adopted team. Well, But they were at, they, they, they live in the state now. It also looks like Brandy Love is also an adopted team. That's fine. Yeah. So they, so Brandy Love, you're going to have to do it.

She won mill for the year. What year was that? I don't know. I just saw it on the Wikipedia when we pulled it up That's a very prestigious award no sir performer of the year 2013. Oh, she's one wait. Hold on one she's Dynasty she's won three milfs of the year Holy shit, it's pretty good. She bad for milfs Well, she was the last time she won 2020 in il change. Yeah. Yeah. Oh no, she won best milf in 2025

That's that was according to the flush spot award, which is actually that's I think they got to unify these belts It's too many belts 2020 Hall of Famer though. Oh, yes So his best milf is that like a lifetime achievement award knows the flesh pot award. I Feel like best milf has more cache than milf of the year. Yeah By the way, so we are gonna talk more. This is our hockey recap. Mm-hmm the Brandy love talk We are gonna talk more with Whitney and we have some two great interviews coming up right now. I do have keys to the series off the top of

my head. Keys to the series. Number one, Tom Wilson needs to hit somebody in the face. Okay. Number two, we have to rock the red. And then number three, Brandy Love needs to DM me. Okay. I like that. Keys to the the series for the caps Um, I had one last thing before we get to our interviews Randy Moss giving us Kentucky Derby picks Joe Kim Noah in studio and then again listen to a fire fest is very funny Just real quick. This is something we got to put on our our radar We're gonna have to start monitoring because last year we talked about the Oakland A's because last year we talked about the Oakland A's and and that fucking loser the the fail son from Gap what's his name again John Fisher John Fisher fuck him we've talked at length about Jerry Reinsdorf and what he's done to the

White Sox we got to get on the radar of the Colorado Rockies maybe being the worst team of all time because I don't know if you've paid any attention to this, but the Colorado Rockies are on pace right now for I think 32 wins. Yeah. Pretty incredible. There's six and 25. So, uh, officially the Montfort brothers Montfort brothers, Dick and Charlie Montfort, we're looking at you. We're watching you. We're on your shit. I don't like that. When I say we're on your shit, we're just going to say you fucking suck ass once every couple of months and nothing's going to change about your life, but we're on your shit. I don't like the idea of brothers owning a team together. Yeah, that is seems like a plot of a terrible

signal. We do. We got to dream come true. We got to break the brothers up. Hey, Dick. I heard Charlie was talking shit. Which one's the hot one? It looks like Dick. Not Charlie, really? Yeah. Yeah. No, Dick is significant. Charlie has no hair. He looks like a penis. Oh, Dick is running the show. This is weird. Charlie looks like a dick. That is weird. Pull up, pull up the

Montfort brothers. So is it always Dick and Charlie when you look it up online? I think so. How come it's never Charlie and Dick? Huh? You ever think about that? So images on them, the Montfort brothers. Now you, you didn't, you didn't Google it right. M O just do Rocky owners Google image. Max is already on vacation. All right. So look, see this is, that's Dick on the left and look all the way to the right. That's Charlie. Look, he looks like a penis. Click him. Click on him. That looks like someone who going to brandy love. He looks like Joe camel. That's a crazy head. Fuck these guys. Yeah, they suck, they suck they did beat blooper in the Braves the other night though. Yeah crazy. Oh max. Are you nervous? About who blooper having a boxing match with Philly fanatic. I just the first time hearing oh my god

This is a legacy match. I don't I don't think I think the fanatic is gonna gonna Wipe the floor. I actually I think that bloopers gonna win I mean you you gotta be I think blooper is an athletic guy You ever seen blooper run through like seven-year-olds on the football field Dude is Derek Henry. Did you ever see him get bullied off the internet? I'm not talking about is the boxing match taking place on Twitter calm You don't think that excuse me X X.com. X. The app. It's all happening on X. May 27th. Mark your calendars. Fight night is coming to Philadelphia. Oh and it's in Philly. Yeah.

Why are we just looking at bloopers. Get a gas all of brandy love right. Blue is going to gas out. He's a fat fuck. He's not gonna to be able to. He's going to go. He's going to go a half a round. He's not going to be ready to go. Max has safe search on. Yeah, of course. This is work. This is a place of work. Oh yeah. We're really following all the rules at Barstool sports. Yeah. You just go back to X.com and pull up college hotties or whatever you follow Max. That wasn't that campus cuties. Sorry. It was campus cuties. All right. Doesn't help us. Uh, let's get to our interviews. Wait, wait, there's, there's one other update in the NBA. Uh, Halliburton's dad is no longer welcome. That's right. He has been banned from the postseason. Yes. So I put the blame on on Tyrese for this because he didn't have his dad's back.

Yeah. Although it might be better. He I if the Pacers go to the finals, you think that Hal Burton's dad's not going to be there? No, they said he's banned for the entire postseason. I thought it was a self. You got to do you got to suss him. You got to suss him first. You got to say two games. You can't be here. Let it cool down for a while. But like if they do get hot, hypothetically, if they make it, they advance. At some point, you're going to want his dad back there, right? Right. For the vibes. Right. Right. So I don't like that. I don't like that at all. I don't either. Okay, wait, do the draft lottery one time before we kick it to ourselves. With our interviews. Let's go.

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From the Kentucky Derby. It is Kentucky Derby weekend. Uh, this is like, Randy, I gotta say this, like you're, you have a special place in my heart because every time the calendar turns and we get to this point and we have Randy Moss on part of my take on the Friday before Kentucky Derby, it's like we've made it. It's summertime. It's the official start of summer. So thank you so much for always joining us. And how's everything going? Hey, good. Hey, I'm one of the original recurring guests, big cat. You know, the first time I was on, uh, we played a race horse or porn star. Are we going to play that again?

We could. Yeah. Bonnie blue. That would actually be a really good, Great horse name body. Great. Yeah. No, you, you, you were, you were first on this show. I think it was like what two months. It must've been two months. Uh, yeah. After it was created. So yeah, it's, this is we're coming up, you know, next year's our 10 year anniversary, which is crazy. So maybe we'll have to do something special with you. Yeah. And I think one thing, one thing people don't really talk about enough about Randy Moss, if you followed his picks, especially your Friday picks that you give on this show, your return on investment, I think, beats the S&P 500.

I think Randy Moss has been the safest investment you could possibly make. I couldn't lose with you guys for a long time. It's kind of come back down to earth a little bit, but let's get the ball rolling again this year, why don't we? Yeah. All right. So let's get the ball rolling. So obviously we want to talk about the field and who you like, but the big story is the return of the bad guy. Uh, in some people's eyes, Bob Baffert, he's back at the Kentucky Derby after a three year suspension. Uh, what's the vibe? Is it, I was reading some stuff and it basically seems like Bob Baffert's pretending none of this happened. Yeah. Yeah. Bob. And so it's Churchill

downs. I did not know what to expect when Baffert came back. They gave him his old barn back. They put up all the old signs at his old barn. They're all singing Kumbaya by the campfire. Uh, Bob says that one thing you have to learn being a horse trainer with so much dejection and disappointment and defeat is how to turn the page and move on and don't dwell on the past. And he said he's viewing the last three years and all the lawsuits and the legal challenges, none of which were successful. Like he was just losing races and now he's looking ahead and he's just ecstatic. Really, he's really happy to be back here. Has he spent this time away refining his game? Is he coming back with any new tricks up his

sleeve or is it just same old, same old? He's been doing the exact same things. He just hasn't had the horses in the races. Yeah, that's what, well, he's arguably, I don't even think there's an old. He's been doing the exact same things. He just hasn't had the horses in the races. Yeah, that's what well, you know, he's arguably I don't even think there's an argument. He's the most successful Kentucky Derby trainer of all time. Obviously one of the leading trainers period of all time. And while he was serving a three year suspension, it was just for Churchill Downs incorporated racetracks. Churchill Downs, Fairgrounds, Ellis Park, Turfway Park, Fairgrounds, racetracks like that, right? It had nothing to do with any of the other racetracks

Bob competes at, really. So he's been winning tons of races. His stables actually gotten stronger over the last three years than it was before the suspension. He just most famously couldn't run under his name in the Kentucky Derby. Fortunately for Bob, during that three year period, he didn't have an American Pharaoh. He didn't have a justify, right? He didn't have a horse that looked like it was a Kentucky Derby winner. And he doesn't this year either, really, to

tell you the truth. But just the fact that he's back. He was booed actually I was told by some people at the post position draw. So he is still a bit of a polarizing figure with some people and I think a lot of that has to do with the coverage and the mainstream media that made it sound like that he was, you know, doping Medina's spirit, uh, within intent to try to cheat and try to win rather than the reality, which was just a, uh, a medic, a medication violation that should have been avoided. Yeah. Uh, so, so he does have, uh, two horses in this race, uh, Rodriguez and citizen bowl.

You, do they have any chance of winning? Cause obviously that would be an incredible storyline. He returns, he wins. They're not, they're not favorites. They're, they're long shots in this field, but is there any world where one of these could win? And if you had to lean which one, which way, which one do you like more than the other? There is, there is a world it, it, it may be in another universe, but there is a world in which a Bob Baffert horse, one of those two horses can win.

Here's the interesting part about the race guys from a Bob Baffert perspective, right? Citizen Bull and Rodriguez are both speed horses. They both need to have the early lead in order to win. So you say, okay, they're counterproductive, right? You don't, you know, they both can't have a clear lead. Citizen Bull, I think, is faster than Rodriguez. So if either of the two horses are going to win wire to wire, it's most likely to be Citizen Bull. But here's what's going to happen. Martin Garcia on Citizen Bull, Mike Smith on Rodriguez,

are both going to ride their horses strongly out of a starting date with the intent of making the early lead. Then Mike Smith on Rodriguez is going to look over, and if he sees Citizen Bull on the inside of him, instead of going head to head with each other, he's going to ease back a little bit, and Citizen Bull's probably going to go on to set the pace.

If Mike looks over and doesn't see Citizen Bull, like if Citizen Bull breaks slowly from the starting gate, then Mike says, heck, I can have the early lead. That's what my horse likes. And then Rodriguez will take it and he'll have a shot to go wire to wire. But the pace is likely to be fast. And so it's really the race looks on paper like it sets up for a comfort behind it. Yeah, okay I was looking at the odds journalism I've read a lot about him in the past a couple weeks here the overwhelming favorite

I believe three to one right now, right? I look at this like when I I look at a golf Tournament where Scotty Scheffler and he's like plus 250 before the thing even kicks off. And I think to myself, the juice isn't worth the squeeze betting on one guy that's plus 50. He's probably going to win, but I still find a hard time putting money down on that person. With journalism at three to one, is the value there?

My opinion, yes. I think journalism is two to three links better than any other horse right now in the field. As a matter of fact, one of the reasons I think he's such a solid favorite in my estimation is that the second best three-year-old in the country, I think, is the horse named Baeza, who right now is on the outside looking in.

He's on the wait list. He's number 21, just like Rich Strike was three years ago. He's waiting on a sickness or an injury or something to be able to get into the field. And now he's got about 24 hours for that to happen. We all have expected it all week long. We've expected Baeza to be able to get in the race. They shipped him all the way from California to Kentucky, thinking that someone would drop out and he would probably be

able to get in. With all the veterinary scrutiny nowadays on these horses, it's a good thing. Typically, one or two of them wind up getting scratched. We're sitting here on Thursday now, and there have been no additional scratches to get by easy into the field. So it's looking less and less like he's going to be able to run, which makes journalism look more and more like a solid favorite. Yeah. Yeah. By Aza. Um, and, and, and I saw that Pratt is on the two horse going to go to bias if by Aza gets in, which tells you something because Pratt's an incredible jockey. And if he's going to make that switch, he knows that's a legit shot. I have a question though about journalism. So I'm sitting here being like, I can't take

a favorite and it's, you know, this has happened many times in Kentucky Derby. My only devil's advocate with journalism and you could tell me if I'm way off. I was looking, I watched his last three races. He's only beaten, he's been in a five, five horse field in the last three races. So he's beaten four other horses three times in a row. This is obviously 20 horses. Is there anything to be said for that that, uh, and he's gotten a little bit of trouble a couple of times where it's like, Hey, it's easier to get out of trouble when there's only five horses in a race. Is there, is there any, it might be making any sense or I'm just going to end up betting something that has no chance. I should have taken journalism ordinarily Dan. I think that would be a, a, a very legitimate argument. Okay. But in journalism's

last race in the Santa Anita Derby, he got into more trouble, almost certainly more trouble than he's going to get into in the Kentucky Derby. And he was still able to win. Anyway, it was only a five force field, but Bob Baffert had two horses in the race. He had Simpson Bull, who was hooked on the front end and didn't run that well, and he had another horse named Barnes, and the riders were playing team tactics. And the jockey on Barnes, Juan Hernandez, targeted journalism. Journalism had the big bullseye on his back. He was a heavy, heavy favorite, as he should have been. And it even got to the point, going into the

second turn of that race, where Juan Hernandez on Barnes elbowed Humberto Rees-Filly on journalism, brought the horse all the way over, tried to squeeze him against the rail, elbowed the other jockey. The stewards called him in, and the steward voted two to one not to suspend him, but he very well could have got a suspension for that. And yet journalism was able to win the race anyway. So he's already overcome adversity and that makes me feel a whole lot better about a big field. Okay. Battle tested. Yeah. I like that. Yeah. And beat, and beat Baezza in that race. So I mean, you, you know, the second best horse in the Kentucky Derby

Potentially, he has beaten him in his last race in the Santa Anita Derby. Yes Exactly what I'm looking at when I'm looking at this form I was looking at journalism exactly like I would look at Scottie Scheffler and I was looking at Sandman like I would look at Will Zalatorres Whereas like I want to I know that's the safe bet, but Sandman, he's a Metallica fan. He's got a lot of buzz around him. I'm going to end up betting on Sandman and losing and being like, oh, I should have bet

on the safe bet with journalism. Does Sandman have a chance or am I falling victim to the Metallica hype train? I tell you what, my biggest concern about journalism would actually benefit Sandman, okay? If the pace gets completely out of control, and we've seen that happen before in the Kentucky Derby. We saw it happen with Rich Strike in 2022. Then it favors sources that are actually 16th, 17th, 18th.

I think Rich Strike was 20th at one point early in the Kentucky Derby. That happens a lot at the Kentucky Derby. My biggest concern is that journalism, who's written by a jockey named Umberto Rispoli, who actually statistically has been better on grass than he is on dirt, might get himself, might be positioned too close to a fast pace. That's my biggest concern about journalism. If the pace is fast, he needs to be 10 links off the pace. Now, if that happens, Sandman's going to be rolling from the back of the pack. Sovereignty is going to be rolling from the back of the pack. Soil Burnham Square, horses like that. It's going to favor them. But otherwise I think

if he's written properly I think journalism's you know clearly clearly the worst to be. What what horse favor is it you know benefits from rain because obviously it looks like it's it feels like it's been a Kentucky Derby tradition. The last 10 years where it just feels like there's rain every year there's going to be rain in the forecast. So if it's a sloppy track, what do we think? Like how does it change? And is there a certain horse that you'll be looking at being like now he, we might get a good price because this, this horse is going to be better in the mud. You know, honestly, I would ignore the weather. I really would only because of this horses nowadays when they run in the Kentucky Derby are so inexperienced

That none of them have really had, you know any Substantial experience running on that kind of a racetrack. So it's a crap shoot You really don't know and they're all such good horses that typically they'll be able to handle situations like that Anyway, so that's one variable that I wouldn't I wouldn't be losing in sleep all the I Like that I like I like making it These are the type of things that Randy Moss gives us that I would have sat there being like who how can I again outsmart? Everyone find an edge just forget about it forget about the wet weather Speaking of finding an edge if you're watching the workouts

I know the horses do workouts the week before and they train. Can you get an edge from watching them how they train? Can you be like, oh, that horse looks good. That horse looks a little bit off compared to what I've seen before. Or are the trainers being very secretive and not trying to push the horses that much and you can't really get an edge from that? The trainers are not being secretive.

Everything is so out in the open here with all the media watching and all the works on TV and on YouTube and things like that, that there's really no way to hide. You, the way you put that, that question is absolutely perfect. And by that I mean- Perfect question.

Workouts are only important if you have a frame of reference for that particular horse. Some horses work great every time you send them to the racetrack. Some horses just don't give a crap and they don't work well anytime you send them to the racetrack and yet they run really good in the afternoons. That becomes just sort of part of the horse's personality, part of the horse's form. If you have a horse that normally works lights out

and suddenly he's just working so-so, bad sign. If you have a horse that normally works black bluster and suddenly he's breaking watches. Boom. That's a really good sign. One of those kind of horses, the latter is sovereignty. Trained by Bill Mott, stretch runner, the dolphin, second in the Florida Derby. He's always been just a very average workhorse and he's looked a lot better in the morning here at Churchill Downs than he has in the past. And he's going to be one of those horses running from the back of the pack. Okay. Interesting. Uh, what is your, what's your favorite story about one of these horses in the Kentucky Derby?

You always give us one or two of these horses where like, this is a cool story. I know American Pharaoh has a, has a child in this horse in this race from Japan but do you have anything any cool nuggets that we can sound smart when we go to our Kentucky Derby parties probably the coolest nugget is it's gonna be a big storyline in the Derby and it has been all spring long is our same cold battle who was trained by Lonnie brightly if you've never heard of Lonnie Briley, no one else who follows the sport of horse racing had really heard of Lonnie Briley either until a few months ago. He's a 72 year old guy, calls himself a coon ass from Louisiana, never

had a graded stakes horse of any kind before, much less a Kentucky Derby horse. And Lottie's here with Paul Battle, who's, you know, legitimately a decent three-year-old. He's going to be 20 to 1, 25 to 1. But I mean, here's a guy that's like been a media darling back here just because he's just, it's like a kid in a candy store. He's never been here before. It's actually very stressful for him. Bob Baffert has really taken a liking to him. And Bob wanted to do a selfie with him. And Lonnie said, why do you want to do a selfie with old coot ass like me? And Bob said, I want to send it to my kids. And Lonnie would just, oh, he just couldn't believe it. And then Bob was, Bob was joking with his wife about, um, about how nice that old man Lonnie Briley was. And

Jill, his wife said, Oh man, said you're as old as he is. And so Bob has to go to Wikipedia. Yeah. They're about the same age. Bob didn't like that. I love it. That's perfect. All right. So that that's me. I think I'm going to have to root for and bet on Lonnie Briley's horse coach. Oh, of horses. Yeah. Do we, do we have it? I know we ask this every year at some point a Japanese horse is going to win the Kentucky Derby, right? Yeah. Like, Oh yeah. So is it any chance this year? Probably just because this is the year that I'm getting off Japanese. Two years ago, Dermisodagaki, I think I told you, I thought he had a hell of a chance to win. Didn't get out of the gate.

Wound up later in the year running second in the Breeders' Cup Classic. Last year, Forever Young. He's one of, if not the best dirt horses in the world right now. He probably should have won the Kentucky Derby last year. He got beat ahead in a nose and was interfered with the length of the straps This year looks or cafe is the best of the two Japanese horses. He doesn't look to be as good as forever young At least in terms of you know, the analytics the final times and stuff like that You go back and watch his last race in Japan like you can see it it on YouTube. And it's like, Whoa, boy, did that look good.

But who did he run against? We don't really know. So bottom line, I'm getting off the Japanese this year. So this will be the year they'll probably win. Okay. Noted. Our friend, Mike Rapoli has a horse in this race as well. Does he have a chance to win?

He's got a, he's got a long shot chance to hit the board. Grande is the horse's name. It looked like Todd Pletcher and Micropoli weren't going to have anything in the Kentucky Derby this year. And then suddenly Grande steps up and runs second in the Wood Memorial. He was wide on both turns, especially the first turn. So you got to move him up a little bit. He got a pretty good number.

He's going to be 20 to one. I would definitely throw him into your trifectas in your superfocus I don't think he can win necessarily But you know, he's he's in with a chance at a big price Yeah, he should feed his horse body arm or before the race be like, okay We gotta you know to get your pH levels correct. Yeah Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah dumb Dumb question for you, Randy. Let's say secretariat prime secretariat best horse ever. We don't know if steroids were involved. We'll just

say best horse ever. So prime secretariat up against this field, but I'm on the on secretariat. Do I have any chance? You're on secretariat. I'm on Secretariat. All right. In the morning when you when you're in the bathroom and you pull out the scale and you step on it, what did the scale say? What was the scale? It's anywhere from like two 35 and 40 45 ish somewhere around there. No shot. No shot. Big cat. No shot. I'm sorry to tell you that when I finished dead last? Probably. Ah, shit.

But they would go back in 30 years and review the tape and be like, no, you actually finished in second place. Even if you were an accomplished equestrian. No, at that weight riding secretariat, no, he'd be up the track. All right, so what weight would I have to get to for me to win on Secretariat and and again in this hypothetical? I am the best jockey. I have a perfect trip with Secretariat in this field Yeah, get down to about a hundred between 135 and 140 That's spider could win on secretary. He actually could yeah two horses ever

Has there ever been a time that you've seen a jockey get on a horse and the horse is just like, this guy's way too big. I don't get paid enough for this. Horses have probably felt that way. We probably have, uh, you know, unfortunately they don't know how to fight, how to communicate that. But, you know, weight is a little overrated in horse racing just a little bit just because the horses themselves weigh anywhere from a thousand to twelve hundred pounds. You know, wait till you see Citizen Bull.

He looks like a Clydesdale. This sucker, they didn't name him Bull because of that. They named him after the Citizen Bullhead watch that I think was made famous by Brad Pitt in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, I think was the movie. So that's how they got the name Citizen Bull, but this horse looks like a bull. But my point being that when horses are that big and that stout, you know, two or three, four extra pounds on their back doesn't really make all that much of a difference. But when you're talking about 235 pounds, yeah, maybe not.

That makes sense. There was a debate that took over the internet this week. You might have seen it. It's could a hundred men defeat a silverback gorilla? And, uh, everyone was saying, no, they can't. That's the gorilla is too powerful. I personally think that they could, um, could a hundred men beat up the Kentucky Derby winning horse? Oh yes. Horses are horses are not nearly as, uh, as,

as robust and, uh, as a, as a silverback gorilla. Horses are pretty fragile. And I agree with you. I got that question the other day on an interview. It depends on who the 100 men are, right? Yeah, 100 jockeys, probably not. The right 100 men who are just crazy enough, I think they could probably also,

I think they'd probably also handle a silverback grill. I would agree with that, yep. What about 100 jockeys versus, what about 100 Randy Mosses versus a thousand jockeys? 10 to one? I think the jockeys would still take me, a thousand to a hundred, yeah. How many horse racing Randy Mosses would it take to beat up one football player Randy

Mosses? How about, well, let's see, I'm not much of a fighter. How about 15? 15, okay. I'll take that. I'll take 10 Randy Mosses versus one Randy Moss. Yeah. Um, all right. Let's talk real quick, uh, about Friday. So everyone can see Randy Moss. You'll be on all the coverage, NBC, Peacock. He's going to be wall to wall. Uh, it's great racing

weekend. I think a lot of people think it's just Kentucky Derby. There's some awesome races, especially the Oaks on Friday. So do you have a pick for us Friday or you could go Saturday in the undercard if you have a pick for us Friday or you could go Saturday in the undercard if you have a different pick that we should be looking at? I got a few of them here to give you. First of all in the Kentucky Oaks, the big favorite is good cheer. I think she's undefeated. She's six for six. She's six to five in the program line. I think she's worth taking a shot against just because her numbers are not all that great. There's a horse in there named Quiet Side that I think would be worth the play

despite her number 14 post position. So it'd be 14 Quiet Side. There's another horse in there by the name of Ballerina Dorro who breaks from post number six and then the number two in there is a horse called Simply Joking. So I think if you were to just a box, right, box quiet side and Simply Joking and Ballerina d'Oro and try to beat good sheer like in an X-Acto box or something, you might be able to get a pretty nice payoff there. And then earlier on the card, there's a race called the La Troyeen. You may have heard of Thorpedo Anna. She won the Kentucky Oaks last year.

She was named Horse of the Year last year. She hasn't lost since then. She's two for two this year at Oaklawn Park in Hot Springs. She's going to be a big favorite. Again, I think she is a heavy favorite that might be worth a bet against. Chad Brown has a couple of horses in that race. And one of them's named randomized and the other's named raging sea. Honestly, I would play a trifecta and put Torpedo Anna third. That's almost heresy in horse racing.

But I would use randomized, who's got a wire to wire possibility there and then raging sea on top of Torpedo Anna and really try to swing for the fences in that one as well. Okay, I've got all these I'm gonna bet all of them. That's Friday. All right, let me bounce through Saturday real quick.

I got a couple. Yes, please. In the fourth race in the Knicks go. There's a horse called Castle chaos. I think he's the four horse. You might want to double check that, but his name's Castle Chaos. He's 20 to one in the program. He hasn't won a race since 2023. And I'm telling you, he's got a hell of a chance to win the Knicks go at a, I'm not expecting him to be 20 to one. I'm expecting more like 10 to one, 12

to one, but still, I mean, I think Castle Chaos has a big shot. And then in the Pat Day mile, that's the sixth race, there's a horse that's sixth to one in the program called Gate to Wire. That's not the way he runs. He'll be back in the pack a little bit, but the pace looks pretty fast. Todd Pletcher is the trainer.

And I think Gate to Wire in the pad day mile is going to be a pretty good play as well. Okay. Okay. I'm on it. I like it. What about in the derby? Is there a horse that if it puts it all together, if it runs its best race, maybe that the crazy horse that we always talk about, the one that has all the talent but has not found a way to harness it correctly, maybe a little mentally, you know, a little goofy. Is there a horse like that, a wild card that we might want to take a shot on as a long shot? Now, this is a huge long shot and I don't think he can necessarily win, but you can put him into your supers and your tries and maybe really try to kill the world. His name is Final Gambit. He's trained by Brad Cox. He's probably going to be 40 something to one, maybe 50 to one. He won the Jeff Ruby stakes on synthetic.

He's never run on dirt before. But since he's never run on dirt before, what we don't know is maybe he's even better on dirt. We don't know. He's training really well on dirt at Churchill Downs. Brad Cox has been really surprised how well he's trained. He'll be last early probably he'll be way back there. But if the pace is fast, he'll be running and he may be able to, you know, pass some tired horses and get up for third or fourth at 50 to one.

You never know. Okay. All right. Yeah. I mean, I've, you've convinced me on journalism and it's, it's basically for everyone who's listening now is to try to find a way, especially if journalism goes off at two to one, just find a way to make money with some of the exotics and uh, some, you know, who, who's going to be under journalism. All right. So journalism, sovereignty, journalism, sovereignty. And then underneath that in the third and fourth spots, then you got sand man, then you got Burnham square.

Then you've got the Japanese horse Luxor cafe, right? Then you've got this horse final gambit. So yeah, you can spread on the third in the third and fourth spots and maybe get a really nice payoff. Yeah. Okay. All right. Well, Randy, I have one last question for you.

It's the row back question. R H O B A C K.com promo code take 20% off your first purchase qzips polos hoodies joggers shorts row back comm promo code take Randy what is who's your favorite horse ever? We've never heard of him. Oh, well, let's tell us why I just want to know I like part of why I love you Randy is because I'm a big believer if you can find anyone who's passionate about anything I'm interested. So your you can find anyone who's passionate about anything I'm Interested so your passion for horse racing makes me interested So tell us even though we never heard of them

Why you love this horse because that will be interesting in its own right when I was a kid I'm talking I was 12 years old at the time I had just started handicapping for a newspaper in Little Rock under somebody's name when I was 12 years old. They didn't want anyone to know a 12-year-old was dispensing financial advice. There was a horse running in Arkansas that actually wound up coming to Churchill Downs and setting a six-for-long track record that held for about 25 years. He was a white horse, not officially white.

He was gray, but he was almost white. It was unbelievably popular in Arkansas where I grew up. His name was Barbizon Streak. He even had a great name. He was an Arkansas bred horse who loved to win. After he retired, I went to see him at the farm in Arkansas and they would feed him carrots from time to time. I got pictures of him on my office wall. Yeah. Barb is on streak. Oh, that's pretty incredible. But wait, I want to hear more about how you got a job handicapping horses at the age of 12. Well, I was through a friend of a friend. I met the guy who actually was doing the picks for a long time for a newspaper in Arkansas

called the Arkansas Gazette. It was the oldest newspaper west of the Mississippi, believe it or not. And it was a chore to type all the stuff in and make the comments on all the horses and all that. So he paid me $20 a week for a friend of a friend, even though I didn't know how to type on an old manual typewriter to do all the entries for him every day. And I did speed figures back then. I was a pretty sharp handicapper, even as a 12-year-old.

I was a numbers kid. And I noticed that he was not a very good handicapper. And so I started changing some of his picks very judiciously. And I would tell him, I said, hey, Don, that was cocky, you know, cocky ass 12 year old kid. Who do I think I am? You know, I changed this pig, I think this horse is going to win. And like the first five or six I changed wound up winning. And so he told me he said, All right, kid, he said, Why don't you make all the picks from now on? And they had a competition in the press box among all of the newspaper handicappers thousand dollars at the beginning of the meet. the end of the media ever picked the most winners

winner took all. He never won. He always got thousand dollars taken away that year. He won a thousand dollars and so I kept doing it until I took it over myself in my own name when I was in college. That's a great story. Did he give you, did he give you a taste of the thousand dollars when he won? No. He bought me up to $30 a week. Okay. All right. That's incredible. It off bit would be cat said, what's the biggest hit that you've ever had on a horse? You really want to know? Yeah. Yeah. Uh, in the early the early 90s, one of my best friends who was an attorney, worked with Hillary Clinton actually in a law firm in Little Rock, an insane gambler, a guy by the name of Dave Thomas, he and I went into partnership playing the pick six, which was really huge back then. At one point, we had the highest payoffs ever recorded in the state of Louisiana and the state of Oklahoma

simultaneously. We had a $500,000 pick six at Louisiana Downs and almost a $400,000 pick sticks at Arrington Park in Oklahoma and some other slightly smaller pick sixes as well. Yeah, that was a pretty good day. That was back in the day when the pick six was, was just really hellacious to play. Holy shit. What was the price of those tickets?

The first one was 15,000. Okay. And the second one in Oklahoma, we actually played two tickets. One of them was like about a five or $6,000 ticket, but the one we hit it on was like a $27 ticket. No way. Oh my God.

Holy shit. What did you do to celebrate? Ah, we, we took everybody in the press box out to dinner. Holy shit. So the 20s. So you like had, how many horses did you use? Like 10 total? Like that's insane.

Something like that. We had a couple of long shots that we liked that we thought had a chance that we didn't put on the main ticket. And so we played the ancillary ticket and single those two long shots and they both wound up winning. And then the rest of them were, you know, were logical top two kind of picks. So yeah, that's insane. That's an incredible ticket. Um, because you always, whenever someone hits a pick six, I always wonder because you know, there's always the one guy who has like a hundred thousand dollar pick six where he used all on every single race. Yeah. And you're like, all right, a $27 ticket on a pick six.

It's 400,000. Jeez. All right. Randy, you're the best. We can't wait to see you on Kentucky Derby Saturday on Friday for the Oaks. Thank you so much for always coming on and we'll see you in a couple of weeks for the Preakness. All right much for always coming on and we'll see you in a couple weeks for the Preakness. Alright guys I'll be ready for you. Take care. Randy Moss was brought to you by our great friends of our Aura Frames. Mother's Day gifts can be a little predictable and a little bit boring but Aura Frames was named the best digital photo frame by Wirecutter and Aura Frames are guaranteed to mix things up this year. Aura Frames come with unlimited storage so you can share as many photos as you want

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Where'd you watch the game? I was in Casablanca in Morocco. Okay. And I felt like I was really missing out. I wanted to be at the game, but I've been working with this NBA Africa League, and we finally brought it to Morocco. It was so dope.

So on the championship night, I went to the mosque. I fucking prayed. I prayed my ass off. I'm not Muslim, but it helped. I don't know what happened, but there was something about praying in that mosque for the Gator boys and That run that they went on man. That was a hell of a run. They went on. Yeah It's got to feel like because you know, obviously when you were there you guys won back-to-back national titles

And then it kind of fell off for a little bit. So it's got to feel weirdly like hey We're back and all the stuff we built like there's now you can look back and be like, yeah, there's legacy here. There's, there's history here. Let's go on another run. Yeah. I mean, not just for basketball, football, title, title school, man, you know, you, but there's nothing like coming back with that trophy. You come back to school. I can't imagine how those young people was feeling coming back to school and just enjoying those last couple of weeks. Holy shit. school. I can't imagine how those young people was feeling coming back to school and just enjoying those last couple of weeks. Holy shit.

How long did the party last when you guys would came back from your national titles? The good part about our shit was there was no social media so we could really kind of let our nuts hang. Yeah. It's a good way to put it. It's just it's it's more it's it's corporate now you know these kids are getting paid it's a it's a different thing but I mean from looking at the videos and it looked it looked wild as shit. Yeah. Yeah so when you were there everybody was winning when you're at Florida. Did did the basketball team respect the football team's titles? Did the football team

respect the basketball team or was there like a rivalry between you guys? Nah, and you know that's a great question because a lot of these campuses have like these kind of internal tensions between the sports. We didn't have that. We had a guy by the name of Chris Richard who ended up playing. He was playing with us on the Bulls for a couple years, but, and he was our backup center, but somebody who was really cool with the football guys. And we ended up just, you know, we were living on this in the same dorms.

Right. So we were, we were all really tight and supporting each other. We had, we had a good vibe between each other. So if you had to say, gun to your head, is Florida a football school or a basketball school? It's very important. Have to pick.

You have to pick one. You have to pick? Have to pick. It's a football school. Yeah. It's a football school, but it's okay. It's okay, you know? Football brings in the money,

but at the end of the day, a chip is a chip. Like you come back and you go to Grog House and you go to the bar, you're not talking about is this a football school or a basketball school? This is, the chips are coming. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's all that matters, right? What else matters?

Yeah. Yeah. How are you feeling physically? You turned 40. Congrats on turning 40. We also turned 40. All 85s. Wow. I think we all look great Yeah, we all look like that still play

Do you do you feel good though? I mean like or can you are there days where you wake up and you're like? Oh, yeah, I did play in the NBA for a really long time. I'm not I'm not you know Monkey dunking all over the place. That's for sure But you know body feels pretty good, you know, eight surgeries later. What list them all? You know, three knees, an Achilles, two shoulders, both my thumbs, I mean.

Damn. Plantar fascia, the whole thing. Yeah. You know. Do you, when fes, the whole thing. Yeah. You know? Do you, when you're watching the league today, are you, like when Jad does his, you know, grenade launcher or his Uzi, you're like, well, I started that.

You know, I'm so, I'm so happy you said that, because if it would have came from me, and saying that I was the first one shooting guns, nobody believes me. Yeah, yeah. Like, was the first one shooting guns, nobody believes me. You were shooting guns, when you shot a jumper, I was like, yeah, I didn't just play defense. I had a little 15 footer. But my guns, I had P-guns.

They were little pistols, yeah. Little P-shooters. It was sweet. It wasn't grenades and snipers and all this shit that's going on now. And you put them away on your own volition. You didn't have to be told by the NBA to put them away Yeah, I put him away cuz Chicago's a wild place. But you know what when the games got hot when the J I I was shooting Yeah, if you do it like the cartoon style

Job obviously there he said some issues with with the real thing. So him doing the handgun, it's like, okay, maybe don't do that. But then he went over the top and now he's doing grenades, which now I'm back on the, yeah, let Jah throw grenades. He should be allowed to do that. You know, when you win ball games, it cures everything. Yeah. That's true. So unfortunately, they have a lot of soul searching to do

over there in Memphis. And you know, their fan base is awesome. They, you know, they really have a brand of basketball, you know, that grit and grind that Z-Bo and T and Tony Allen, like, put together that, you know, the fans love that because it represents them so well. So, you know, we want to see John and JJ The fans love that because it represents them so well. So you know, we want to see John and JJ and all those guys like really represent that.

So it'll be interesting to see what happens because they need to really step it up and have a big summer. Yeah, after the season's over, do you take like a cleanse from basketball when you were playing? Would you say, okay, I'm not gonna practice practice, not going to play, Cancun on three? Or was it like, did you struggle to separate from the game? I was definitely not a Cancun on three. I mean, I was going to Cancun after a while, but that first week after losing in the playoff was,

for me, it was really dark. I had a bottle of whiskey by the bed. Because you cared. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe a little too much. I mean, I guess that's just the way it is. When you're playing NBA, it's so many games.

You have to be level-headed. And I was not that. It was like if we were winning, I was too crunk. And if we lost, it was like if we were winning I was too crunk and if we lost It was like I couldn't sleep for days, right? So Acquired to two questions about the playoffs. We saw the heat magic game. So we're gonna run this Friday We saw the heat magic game on Monday night Sorry the heat calves. Yeah calves killed him heat looked like they were ready to go home like PFT saying Cancun on three The Bulls haven't won a home playoff game since the I think it was 2015 series against calves

Which I was at that whole series the D Rose buzzer beater then LeBron went back then game six It did feel not that the Bulls quit, but it was like this kind of feels like the end Could you feel that in that game or is like cuz that was when change started happening Tibbs got fired like, you know Everything kind of changed could you feel it like in that game going into that game? Like yeah, this might be this is we're starting to lose a little bit of the pull on the rope Because you see teams have that I mean, you know, it's it's it's it's you realize Now that it's over, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's, you realize now that it's over with, you realize how fragile keeping a whole thing together is. Right.

And that's, that game is a game that I try not to remember too much. It sucked. You know, you want to come prepared. It's at home. You're big game six against LeBron. This guy kicked our ass for the last three years or three times we played him. And we had a real shot at it and unfortunately,

we just, we stunk it up in game six. Yeah, that was a wild series, wild series. And then the other question I had was, cause you know, the Rockets, so like I said, we're gonna run this Friday, so we don't know how the Rockets Warriors next games go. But I always am of the belief that even if you are a great team in the regular season,

if you're a young team in the playoffs, you have to go through the wars to kinda get to the next rounds. You went through that, where like going through the wars, what is it about a young team where it's so different in the playoffs? Because it's happened in all NBA history. Like no first team just goes on a run.

So what is that about like a young team and the difference in playoff basketball? Yeah, it's your first time feeling it. Yeah. You know, experiences, it's real. You know, and you gotta give a shout out to, those games are just awesome to watch. Wars.

This is a fucking war going on outside. Nobody is fucking safe. And I'm watching this shit, goosebumps. My first three years out the league, I couldn't even watch basketball. Really? Yeah, it was, yeah, it was just, it took me a while to process what happened.

And, you know, it's like, you're still looking at the game like, yo, I used to fuck this dude up and he's still in there. So it just takes a little while to process, okay, it's over with, just watch the game as a fan. And not as a competitor. And I love watching that series, that Houston Golden State series,

because those guys are big as fuck, strong. Houston got a lot of tough guys. I love watching A-Man, Thompson, but what Draymond is doing, single-handedly saying, okay, all you motherfuckers over here, all you tough guys over here, I want all the smoke.

And now he got Jimmy as well, like what Jimmy's doing, you know, when he fell on his back, I was like, how the fuck is this guy gonna come back? And what he's doing over there, you gotta give big credit to Jim because I think this is probably his best shot at winning a championship.

And it does feel like Jimmy, like even you saw it on Monday night when like Jimmy's kinda getting, talking shit to Dillon Brooks and getting in his head. And like D Dylan Brooks is a Player who you can get him to do something stupid He fouled at the end of the game for that basically was a difference in the game

Like are those the little things that you know a young team? They just don't know how to deal with those like pressure moments guys You know John at them getting under their skin because it is it is fun to watch like this old team the Warriors that are not they're not the peak Warriors even close going against like this new team and the Warriors have kind of the tricks all right so Golden State game on the line the world knows who's getting the ball the game on the line Houston game on the line who's getting the ball yeah I don't know Jalen didn't want it last night okay he just wasn't shooting okay so Jalen on the line. Houston, game on the line. Who's getting the ball? Yeah. I don't know.

Jalen didn't want it last night. Okay. He just wasn't shooting. Okay, so Jalen wasn't shooting. Up and down all year. Van Vliet, Fred? Fred, okay. So you're the coach, you're giving the ball to Fred.

I think I give it to Fred. Okay. Or I might just give it to Dylan Brooks and just be like, this is gonna be funny. You said three different guys. Yeah. You can't do that. That's the answer. You can only give it to one. That's the problem. The real answer would probably be Fred Probably but it is kind of like does that is because we mock that like there's only one ball

But sometimes the NBA is that easy where it's like if you don't have the guy at the end of the game You're in trouble. You're in big trouble and you got to know and it's look game on the line Last possession. It's not like the regular season where six guys are listening in that timeout the whole bench everybody who's in that organization is listening to who the coach is giving the ball to you know what I mean right look they gave it to Shangoon. Draymond got a big stop. That's what it's all about. Yeah.

No. Yeah. We said about about Draymond is interesting. I want to talk about a little bit more because when we watch Draymond play, he's he's fun to watch. He's entertaining. He's just all energy. Sometimes he goes over that line. But I also think that he's a very, very smart guy. I think in terms of his basketball IQ, especially he's super smart.

And I think his teammates love him. Obviously you can win big games. You can win championships with a guy like Draemon, even though he does appear to lose control sometimes. But when you're watching him, what is it about Draemon that you think makes him so special as a basketball player, as opposed to other guys, like maybe a Dylan Brooks that might cross some lines, at the end of the day doesn't necessarily help their team win. Well, Draymond got four championships so you can't you know he's he's a starting championship center or whatever position he plays but you know

people always make fun about his stats but this is so much more than stats. You got Steven Adams and Shangoon, they're two 300 pound guys. This guy's 6'6", 250, fucking like bring it. Okay, so find me five of those who are ready to go into that battle, you know? So honestly, you can't, what Dreymon brings to the team is so much more than just what you see on a stat line.

It's so much more than just the surface. You know, he's the one who's bringing the energy and making sure that everybody's ready to go. Steph, Steph can be Steph. Nobody's fucking Steph up because Draymond is is gonna be right there fucking, you know, putting you in a choke hold if you can try. Yeah. So yeah, so he sometimes he goes over the line, but you know what, as a team, that gives

you confidence knowing that you have a guy who's willing to do anything and that's what and Golden State has his back and they've showed it over and over. Every time he stepped over the line, they got his back. It says a lot about the organization. We got our guy over there, the GM, Dunleavy, another crazy Irish guy that I got to be in some battles with. And he was just like, yo, there's no question. We got to get, when everybody was questioning Jimmy's character and stuff, I mean, he just fit like a glove as soon as he got there.

And I think it's just like it's a it's a great fit for him just to be in a situation right now where you got to respect what Steph's done. You got to respect who Draymond is. And now he can come in and just be himself where it's not just him being the alpha. It's about me. No, no, no, no, no. This is about winning a championship,

this is about his teammates, and you can tell just the way he talks about his guy. He's been there for what, three months? And you feel like he's been there for five years. Yeah, it's gotta be great for him too, because at the end of his time in Miami, he's undoubtedly one of the best players. He's earned the respect of any team

that might have him as a player. And it seemed like Miami was still treating him the same way that they would a rookie or a young player. And then he goes to Golden State, and I think Steve Kerr's rules were, just be you, show up on time for practice, show up on time for games. And besides that, I'm gonna let you do whatever it is

you need to do to get ready for that. Are there some organizations that you've found to be like, is it a better idea generally to treat your veterans with a different set of rules where if you can trust them? Or have there been times, maybe I'm wrong, maybe it's like teams that do it my way or the highway, maybe that in your experience has been better. I think it depends on the coach.

It depends on the coach. It depends on the coach. But you know, vets have played in big games and you can trust them more. You know, you're seeing it in the Houston goal in the state series. You know, if Steph needs a day off from practice, you give him a day off from practice and that's just, and everybody shut the fuck up.

You don't take away his cookies on the plane. Yeah but did you see that story about LeBron and his cookies? No tell me about it. Well apparently when they were flying when he was on the heat they would they came up he would bring a bag of cookies on to the plane every time he liked to eat chocolate chip cookies and they came and they took his bag of cookies away because Pat Riley the heat they were watching his weight and they're like you can't have these cookies. That's a great that's a great barstool story

true story and the bros what the fuck they're taking my cookies at that moment Dwayne Wade said that he knew that their time was coming to an end yeah that's that's the reason all the cookies cookies on the plane yeah yeah that's a great story I get a question so obviously your dad a French legend What the hell is going on in France with basketball? How the hell are they just creating all these mutants? It's happening in WNBA, too That's right. What's going on? great development System out there. Do you think it's better than the u.s. Like do you think that the u.s. Is actually because I know there's a real discussion Like a you you think that the US is actually, because I know there's a real discussion, like, AAU culture, all that. Do you think that some of these European countries

are starting to get a leg up because of their developmental leagues? Big Cat, you're asking all the right questions. All the right questions. All the right questions. And you know what? I think it's time to start asking those questions. Yeah.

Because you can tell, people around the world, they're leveling up right now. And I grew up playing in France till I was 12 and then I moved to New York City. So I played in two grassroots systems. The French grassroots system is interesting because the pro teams have 10 year old teams, 12 year old teams, 14 year old teams, 16 year old teams.

And then on Saturday you can go see the pros play. So every single time you play a game, the next level is playing right after you. Right. So you get to see what it takes to play at the next level. And if you're good enough, the 10 year old might play on the 12. You play up. Right. You play up.

And another thing that they do really well is they they coach it as a team sport it's not the superstar thing right and they are and if you have a shot to be an NBA prospect well you have like the top French general managers coming to your house and coming to talk to the parents about what the expectations are. So they're ready now. When we first got to the league, there was two or three French players playing and that's it.

And what Tony Parker did was huge because it allowed the kids to be inspired and dream. And now we got Wen Benba Nyama. Yeah. So what's the fix in the US? Like I saw there was a clip that went viral the other day that was like, it might've been like Lithuania or something and it was 12 year olds playing and they were moving the ball like it was

like the 2016 Warriors. Like they were all, no one stopped moving, they were all cutting, they were just like passing the ball at the top and cutting and cutting and then they get a, you know, a layup. What is it in America that has to change to get back to that style of basketball? Well, we're definitely in a transition period where something different is going on where these kids are getting paid a lot of money. So players have a lot of power right now. You know, you have a 16 year old kid

who's making three, $4 million. What the fuck is a coach gonna say? Right. And I'm not hating on kids getting paid because you know what, this is what it is. At the end of the day, you can't be playing on national TV with billions of dollars on the line, with television revenues going crazy,

and the kids don't get shit. So okay, I think that the marketing is a good step, but this is a business. It's a big business. And we were getting bamboozled the whole time, so now at least kids are getting paid, and they deserve it. That being said for the development of the game there needs to be a change. Right. Yeah because it is I mean when you think about it like would you when you were at Florida

if you were making say two million dollars would you have would you have been as open to coaching as maybe you were at the time like would you think your attitude would have been a little different? If I had $2 million in the bank? Yeah. At Florida. Everybody's attitude changes when they got $2 million. Right. It's human nature.

It's not like an accusatory thing to the kids because it's just like if you have money, it just changes your perspective. Look, to be a champion, to be called champ, you have to sacrifice. It's not all about you, you know, and I think that we understood that as a team in college and we loved, we love playing with each other so much that we ended up coming back to school. Right. Something that I'm really, there was, there was no money involved. And I say that with you know That's the truth right there was no money was legit

One through five, I think I averaged 13 points. I'll average like 13.2 Lee Humphrey averaged 12.7. We were all averaging the same amount of points. He takes one thing away Alright, he's the hot man, he's getting the rock. And it was just second nature for us to be able to play ball the right way. And you realize after playing in the NBA for 14 years, that's rare where you have that kind of chemistry. We're always talking about stats and this,

but nobody ever talks about chemistry on the court. I think that's a really interesting thing. What would when you guys decided to come back, who started it? Who was the first person who was like, Hey, should we just do this? Should we come back? And was there ever a point where you thought maybe like Al or anyone else was like kind of leaning towards leaving? I mean, if, if Horfee left, I would have definitely left.

So he was kind of the linchpin in that. I wouldn't say Horfee. I would say Corey. Yeah. Corey, you know, I think that Al was in a situation where he didn't have to worry too much about his family. You know, his dad was an NBA player. Torian, same thing. Dad was an NBA player. For me, same thing, dad was an NBA player.

For me, you know, it was, money was not an issue. You know, I didn't have to worry about, you know, making sure mom had food in the fridge. Right. For Cory, it was a little bit different. When he was like, okay, when I went to Cory's hometown and I saw where he was from and for him to say, we're coming back to school,

like I'm getting goosebumps just thinking about it because he's the one who had the real decision to make. If he would have left, we would have all left. That's how fragile this thing is. And Coach Donovan is just so good at just getting us hype. He knew what he was doing. He got us in the locker room And Coach Donovan is just so good at just getting us hype. He knew what he was doing. So he got us in the locker room and he was just like, guys, let's fucking do this shit again.

And it was the same week that we had won the championship. And honestly, it's something that I would never tell a kid to do what we did. Because kids come up, they ask me like, oh I think I wanna come back to school. They have these allegiances to these schools. But that being said, I'm really proud that we did that. Yeah, it's a very cool,

it probably would never happen again that way. You know what I mean? Like you obviously had UConn went back to back, but like they changed their team. What you guys did will, especially in today's college with the trick transfer portal everything will never happen again for sure. That's pretty cool Do you know the the French Canadian guy that's on Florida now the freshman Olivier Rue the big fella big fella Seven foot nine have you met him? I haven't met him. I would love to see him play one-on-one against you I would love that too. Yeah, that would be dope. You know, it wouldn't be very fun

You gotta get him here That dude whenever I would see him out there like cut the nets down to bring him out to cut the nets and he would Just stand on the basket and cut it down. I'll be like why the fuck isn't this guy playing? Can you imagine him at the bar like? handing out shots Classic no, you can't get away with shit. Who, since you started watching again, it's fascinating that it took you three years. Like you just didn't watch any ball. I couldn't do it man. That's crazy. Couldn't do it. It was

was it like if it was on TV you turned the channel? Yeah just I didn't feel comfortable. Yeah. It's a weird thing. You know competition is Is a strange thing. I had to just completely change my mindset when I was done playing where okay? Everything that I thought that everything that I thought that I was Like I had to change my whole my whole mindset right because you're not joking no you're not a player Yeah, yeah, you're not gonna Cause you're not joking. No, you're not a player. Yeah. Yeah. You're not going to play. You're not playing in front of 20,000 people anymore. Like the gladiator shit is over with.

And now it's about trying to talk to the next generation and, and hopefully you can inspire them with through your experience to, to be able to be the best players that they can be. So like in those three years, were you, cause a lot of, obviously a lot of athletes talk about this, you know, when they retire, it's really hard to kind of figure out what the next step is. Was there, were there times where you were depressed

and like down to a point where it's like, shit, I don't really know what direction I'm going in. Depression, I wouldn't say depression. My life was pretty awesome. It's actually the best sleep I've ever had. My anxiety just went down 10 notches. I sleep a lot better. But yeah, as soon as I started watching the game,

those feelings would come back and they weren't always good thoughts. They were negative. So I didn't like the way it made me feel watching basketball. So when I started watching basketball as a fan, and now I could look at Aiman Thompson and be like, damn, I like this guy. People talk about, oh, there's no defense yet.

Watch that guy play basketball. You know, like, they're there. It's just, let's stop generalizing and also realize that there was a narrative around the league this year that the shit got so soft. But that wasn't coming from the players. That was coming from up top because they wanted more scoring.

So as soon as that narrative started getting louder and louder, something changed. Because these playoffs right now are fucking fun to watch. They're so much fun. They're fun to watch. Who is, since you started watching again, who's your favorite young player to watch? I love the Thompson twins. You love the the Thompson the Thompson Thompson twins are just dogs I love watching the dog I

love watching dog what about an ant and is doing his thing he's a dog he's you had to like when he was pushing when he was pushing LeBron I'm like what what is this football but I just thought that you you know, it's like, people don't realize like, yo LeBron's 270 pounds. Like Anthony's 200, 210 max. You know, you got 60 pounds on it. That's a lot of weight. And it was just dope to watch just that kind of competition.

Like, I'm gonna take your little ass in the post. Like that competition, that level of, even Rudy like hitting me in the back of the head. I'm like, you know, people like the competition piece, the ugly piece of the competition. I think that's what we love as fans is like you love watching that. You know what? This isn't always pretty like, oh, we love each other, we're brothers, we're hugging. Like I hated that shit. But now I'm seeing this like,

yo, you're trying to get what I want and nothing's gonna get in the way of that. And we're getting back to that kind of basketball and it's really fun to watch. And it's really good for the league too. Because fans wanna see the players that care about the game as much as they care About rooting for their team because if there's a disconnect there then fans start to be like well

Why am I invested so much in it? But yeah when you see your guy like shoving LeBron you're like fuck Yeah, this is awesome. And that's why Joe's kill it. Tell him again. That's why Joe was always like we love hate Yeah, you you cared as much if there were more you know what I mean you you can't say that for everyone appreciate that Are you shocked that LeBron still doing it? It's it's really impressive. Yeah, it's uh You see it took it took a couple years. Yeah, it took a couple years because you know years of Losses against him definitely took a toll But you know just to be able to look at it and be like,

yo, this guy is 40 years old, playing at this level, competing the way that he's competing, because he's competing on both ends of the court. It's really, it's really, I got no words, you know, but I'm watching. Yeah. Do you like watching watching Joker play? Oh, favorite player. Yeah. Favorite player.

He just does something every night that you're like, I don't know how how he did all those pivots and threw it over his head and the shot happened to go in like he and he's got eyes in the back of his head. He's just he's so fun to watch. You've never seen a guy like him before. I mean, this guy's getting buckets, past first guy. I mean, you can just tell. It's like he gets the ball in his hands.

Like everybody's cutting. Everybody knows that they can get the ball. It's a different kind of superstar with him because everybody's involved. Yeah. And he's coaching. You can't say that about most superstars in the NBA because the mentality in America is,

I'm the superstar, I'm gonna get the ball, it's showtime. His mentality is not, I'm getting the ball, it's showtime. It's cuts, it's handoffs. He's playing in a system and he just happens to be the quarterback. Yeah, and he's calling substitutions too. He's coaching the team. He's doing it all. It's incredible. I saw a crazy story.

I think it was maybe Jamal Murray where it was, uh, like Jokic like had to, he, Jamal Murray was open and Yoke and he was like yelling for the ball and Yoke which had to tell him afterwards, like stop yelling for the ball. I know when you're open, like I see everything. Like I, you do, when you yell, they're going to go to you. It's like, I know when you're open. Like I see everything. Like when you yell, they're gonna go to you. It's like, I know, just don't say anything. I can see everyone on the court.

And that's just how he plays. Yeah, not a lot of people can say that. And your teammates are gonna be like, okay, you're right. Yeah. But he's one of those guys, like I'm sure he says that. Nobody says a word because they know he's right.

They know he's always right. What about in the East? Who do you like in the East? Because we've obviously we've got some Celtics fans around here. So we've been focused mostly on the Celtics, but some of the Celtics fans don't really respect the Cavaliers that much. What else do you see besides the besides Boston out of the East? Well, Boston is definitely the heavy favorite

until somebody beats Boston, they're the team to beat. He just repeated what Hank said. But do not disrespect the Cleveland Cavaliers because they're ready to rock and roll. And if you think that it's gonna be an easy sweep, no, no, no, don't get it twisted. You're in for a real battle. I'm excited, that's gonna be, that's happening.

Yeah. That's happening. I mean, look, if I had to put money on it, you know, Cavs, Boston. Have you been back to Cleveland since you retired? I have not. Do you think you'll ever be in Cleveland, Ohio again in your life?

Great question. I haven't thought about it too much. It could be interesting. Maybe going to a, checking out a tourist board over there and seeing all the fun things they do in Cleveland. It would be funny if Cleveland hired you to do a tourism video for me. Maybe if I went with you guys,

maybe people would give me a little more slack. But it's crazy. It's literally, the younger kids who didn't get to see me play in my prime, they're still really pissed about that shit. They're like, people know me as the anti Cleveland guy. The guy who shit on Cleveland. The guy who shit on Cleveland.

It's crazy that that happened over 10 years ago and people still talk to me about this Cleveland. I mean, you weren't, I'll like, I actually think Cleveland's a very nice city. Like we've spent some time there, but like you weren't wrong in the fact that I don't think a lot of people say I'm going to Cleveland for vacation. That isn't a sentence that is said a lot. It hit.

It hit. Yeah. It hit. Yeah, that one is, yeah. You got Put-in-Bay there, right? Isn't that in Cleveland? No, it's a little outside, yeah. You've got the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame?

Yeah. You might go there one day. I've been there. What'd you think? Okay. Okay've been there. What'd you think? Okay. So, I mean, yeah. Okay. Yeah. That's that's it. I'd rather, I'd rather go to like Beale street and go check out the music scene over there to be honest. Yeah. Yeah. That's a great quote card. We'll have Joe Kim,

Noah's rock and roll hall of fame review. Okay. Three stars. Okay. Yeah. I mean, it was a long time ago. I, I didn't, it didn't mark. I wasn't, I wasn't super impressed. Yeah. What, what, um, can you tell me a time because we all know Tibbs is a great coach. So obviously coaching with the Knicks and there's they've been up and down But it feels like you know, they're gonna beat the Pistons and we'll see what happens the next round Was there a time you can remember where Tibbs did something coaching whether it be like a play or a look or like this is How you defend a guy where he's like this guy just knows what's gonna happen before it happens

Like did he have you prepared for a situation? We were like how the hell did he he have this so dialed in? I Don't think it was a specific moment in the game because Tibbs whole thing was preparation and when you're when you're with him By year four year five you're like, holy shit, like this shoot around, it's two hours long, Tibbs. Like, get us off our feet, let's go home,

let's get some rest and go play the game. But there's something about being in these battles and feeling prepared that is, you know, nothing feels better than being ready and being prepared. Tibbs, as crazy as Tibbs is, we were prepared. Yeah. Oh, I forgot, we got to ask you this because we had this debate on the show.

What was your pregame meal before your nap? Cause I assume a lot of guys, they do a very similar where they eat lunch, take a nap, then get ready for the game because Because we found out that Jalen Green's pregame meal before his nap is chicken Alfredo. And we're like, that has to be the worst thing to eat before playing basketball. That sounds terrible. He's young. Yeah, he'll learn. He'll learn. I mean, look, chicken Alfredo is a

hell of a meal. That's a heavy meal. Before the game, before the game. But he's what, 23 years old. 23 years old, who gives a fuck? You're eating McDonald's, you eat a Big Mac before the game, you're good. But at 30. What was your pregame meal? I was eating pretty, avocados, rice, chicken.

It was my meal. Trying to win at a high level is, it's fucking boring, guys. There is nothing. You gotta be really dedicated. That's very cool. There is nothing, like all these people that you look at and you're like, wow, this champion,

if you think that this guy has the most interesting life, no, he's going to bed at fucking nine o'clock at night. He's eating healthy, you wanna hear about his health routines, it's going to bed at fucking nine o'clock at night. Yeah. He's eating healthy. You want to hear about his health routines. It's not that interesting. Yeah, you're recommended. It's repetitive and boring and doing the same thing over and over and over again to get better. But I mean, for some people that's interesting. If you really enjoy the process, yeah.

I need more. Just because you're a champion doesn't make you interesting. That's true. If you really enjoy the process. I need more. Just because you're a champion doesn't make you interesting. That's true. That's actually a good point. What about our good friend Steve Ballmer? We actually haven't met him, but I assume that we would be good friends.

Because of how much he cares about the Clippers. When you played for him, did you get to interact with him at all? So, I played for the Clippers for three months. I had just cut my Achilles right before, like six months before, and I had the blessing to be able to sign with the Clippers. And it was when COVID,

I signed and then the next day COVID hit. Oh, geez. The Rudy Gobert thing hit. So we had all this time off. And then, and then the Steve Floyd thing happened in the NBA. And I remember Balmer getting all the players on a Zoom call and saying that he would invest in any nonprofit foundation that was doing work

in the communities of the players they were living in. I was like, to me, that just spoke volumes about the guy that he wanted to, first of all, as an owner, be able to talk to his players about the situation and be able to be helpful. I thought that was really powerful and nobody can say anything bad about that guy. From there to that. I don't think Donald Sterling would have done that. Just taking a guess. He would have definitely not done that. Definitely not done that. I thought that was really powerful and nobody can say anything bad about that guy for me.

I don't think Donald Sterling would have done that. Just taking the guess. He would have definitely not done that. Give two fucks. It is fun to see Ballmer courtside, cheering on his team. He seems like he's crazier than most fans. Yeah, he's a super fan and you know what?

They made some tough decisions. I love that Van Gundy's on the bench. I think it says a lot about their coaching staff, the fact that they could bring in a guy like that as an advisor or an assistant coach, but somebody who, he's an alpha himself. So to be able to have Ty Loo and him on the bench, that's two head coaches on the bench. That doesn't always work. It says a lot about who they are. Yeah. All right, I got one last question for you, Joe.

And this is always, always awesome when you stop by. Row back question, rhoback.com promo code take, 20% off your first purchase, Q-zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts, rowback.com promo code take. I don't think I've ever heard this story, but you've told it. You decided to go to Florida because you saw two fraternities getting a fight I did what is that? Well, I was with your main man, Maddie Walsh. Yeah, David Lee. Yeah, and they were kind of

taking me on my recruiting trip and I Had the best time of my life man as soon as I saw those two those frats going at it I knew that it was safe and fun and I knew that I was just not gonna have any it wasn't gonna be boring it's like there's nothing like getting out of a practice and then going on going on campus and then you go to a bar a little bit outside and you see two frats Throwing the worst punches But it's still enough to like be able to sit down, you know, just eat some chicken wings and just

You know watch some chaos. Oh, that's so fun. You were taking guys on their recruiting trip and you'd be like you gotta come see these guys fight. It's so fun. I mean you know I don't think those, they didn't happen all the time I think, but it happened on my recruiting trip. I love that though. It's so great.

It was a moment. You see them fight and you're like I feel safe. Yeah I feel safe. I know no one can beat me up here. Yeah. You know when fighting. You're like, I feel safe. Yeah. I know. No one can beat me up here. You know, when the, when the football guys are fighting, it's a, it's, it's, it's another thing. Yeah. That is another thing. For sure. Yeah. Uh, well, Joe, you're the best man. Uh, can we shout out something for you? Of course. Yeah. What do we got? Noah's Ark, right? Yeah. Shout out Noah's Ark.

We're out here in the community in Chicago. You know, one city shout out to one city, you know, shout out to one city. Shout out to our basketball league, Violence Prevention League. We're working with 28 different violence prevention groups playing basketball against each other. Very proud of the work that we're doing here. We're growing, we're growing.

Shout out to Tony Allen also who joined the crew as the commissioner. Tony Allen coming in and doing that community work. Real social worker out there. So shout out to Kobe Williams and everybody out there doing all the great work for us. I love it. I love it. And we got to get involved.

You got to let us get involved somehow. Yeah, now that you guys got a hoop. Yep. Yeah. Let's chop it up. Let's go drink a brewski and do what we do. Watch some frat guys fight. Yeah. Oh yeah, you want to see some unathletic fighting?

That's so funny. Like if we ever get, like if Joe Keem's ever like, you know what, I'm going to, you know, uh, get into the podcast game. Yeah. We got to bring them on a recruiting visit and have a couple of guys fighting here. Watch them throw like terrible punches at each other. Be like, look, you're perfect. I'd never thought about it that way.

But like, if I'm going, if I'm driving down the street, if I'm looking for a place to buy a house, I'm going out of the street. I see two like overweight dads like fighting in the front lawn. I do think to myself like probably a pretty safe name. Yeah. Not being able to land any punches. Yeah. It's like they feel open and, and, and safe enough to be fighting the front lawn. They're throwing their beers. There's all over the place. This is great. Yeah. I love it. Oh, alright. Thanks so much, Joe.

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You get home from work, and you're up to 1 a.m.. Just pure playoffs Playoffs playoffs play. Yeah, I mean during football season footballs dominate the weekends But during this time of year you're just a real piece of shit all week long It's like there's always a great game on sorry. I gotta be on my couch and it's like all with that, you know The flowers are blooming the trees are spurting. It's great. They're allergies people are saying that allergies you know, or G guy a allergies. Max, you an allergy guy? Low-key an allergy guy. I got allergies. It is Dusty May. Wimp. So no real personal fire fest? The Bill Belichick thing is starting to weigh on me though. Well there's been some additions. I know. Let's get into the additions. It's

bad. It's like everyone's commenting on it now. So Steve Belichick's, his wife commented on an Instagram post, correct? Yeah, Bill Belichick's, his wife commented on an Instagram post, correct? Yeah. Bill Belichick's, uh, daughter-in-law. Yeah. So she commented on it, uh, saying like most, most PR people don't act this way. Yeah. Storm out the, so since we last talked, it has been an update every single, uh, hour, hour. Uh, we found out that Jordan has bought $10 million in real estate in the last like year and a half. Now I don't. Entrepreneurial. Are you saying that she's not independently wealthy? I don't know. I don't know where the money came from. I just know. I thought in this country we liked people picking themselves up by the by their bootstraps and dating someone

50 years older than them who has probably a hundred million dollars and then using that money to start a real estate empire. Like the people that are hitting on that. Are you saying women can't own land? Right. They can't they can't vote. We nailed it on Monday. We're like sorry that a woman in power bothers you. Yeah. Jordan, she is a bad bitch and she is going to spend bill Belichick's money however the fuck she wants. I also think that with bill, it could be anyone's money. That could be anyone's money too. Good point Hank. We all have maybe been in relationships with somebody that's a little bit on the crazy side in the past. A lot of people out there might agree with this. What does this have

to do with anything? I'm just saying this you're saying complete non-secret or Yeah, so I'll check it's crazy. So like Jordan her boyfriend. Yeah, he might be like a wild guy Yeah loose cannon where where holes in his shirt? Yeah, easy shit, but sometimes the type of people that are a little bit crazy It's also a very very fun relationship you think you know what I'm saying Oh, that's a sound like bill is probably a great lay. Yeah, you think that bill is Bill's rock in her world for sure yeah, Bill's Bill's rock in her world. Yeah, Jordan can't quit it Jordan it's bill is like crack to Jordan. He's got the magic stick. Yeah

But I think people have I do think when things come to light it's kind of like, you know Everyone has a buddy or you know Maybe themselves that has been in a similar relationship with someone who's crazy. They know they're crazy their friends. Definitely know they're crazy But it's kind of unspoken about and then they get in like a big blow-up fight at a bar or something and then it's like All right. Well now that it's kind of like public. Yeah, I probably have to Be truthful with how crazy this is and how bad of situation I might be in like maybe they were in denial You know I was in denial and now she's like okay

It is funny too because in the crazy relationship game that everyone is somewhat familiar with whether firsthand friends Whatever you always got to be careful about what you say I saw Charles Barkley said that he was gonna possibly intervene Which is hilarious. You gotta be careful what you say because if I know These two young lovebirds Bill Belichick and Jordan like I think I do They're gonna break up and they get back together for sure So there's gonna be a period where people are gonna probably throw some shots at Jordan You gotta be careful because again Jordan, she's she's addicted to that Bell

Do you think that there's any chance that that bill is? up to date on everything that everyone's saying about him online ah No, I think he's just got his head down right she tells him dirt you guys seen silence the lambs Jordan bill could be in like a well in a basement somewhere Buffalo bill I don't think he's getting access to his phones put the hoodie on your head bill. Yeah, yeah, but listen again Jordan What are we what are we doing here? Why are people coming at her? I don't know She just remember when they tell the story of Jordan and Bill one of the greatest love stories of all time

We had Jordans back and it was because we wanted to get Bill Belichick on the show Consenting adults and no other reason because everything else points to crazy I am very much also not today the report came out after after last show that she was the reason hard knocks that UNC got Axed yeah, because she wanted to be involved right sucks. That would have been great. Yeah Well, I'm sure they probably had like one meeting with her maybe no Well, maybe they were like one meeting they're like her creative vision is so good that yeah, we're gonna get exposed We're afraid that she's gonna take our job Yeah knocks is when this one's so good because it's kind of the Jordan vision. Or I mean, when has hard knocks ever like you never want to

work with someone that's like so much better than you? Because it's like it highlights how bad you are. We love hard knocks. We love watching hard knocks, but there's always some salacious story that comes out or something that you can use later as fodder to make fun of the subject of hard knocks, whatever team it is, whether whatever coach it is, you can laugh at them about it later. Jordan was probably just doing her job as a PR person to get ahead of that being like, Bill, you don't want to have your, all your secrets exposed. Right. You're such a good coach. Why are you giving away the, the, the cow when they can buy the milk for free? I got two questions. You're absolutely right.

Uh, I got two questions. Do you think there's a chance CBS releases the full interview? Cause I want it so bad release the transcript CBS, CBS. Because Jordan and Bill, the Belichicks, have basically tried to call their bluff being like, it wasn't what everyone thinks it is. They were trying to take the interview into weird spots. We were just doing our job. Basically, CBS is the liars here. I really need this full transcript.

I want to know what was in the rest of of the 30 minute video that she put the screenshot of. Yeah, because she definitely insinuated there's more. Yeah, she's got receipts. My understanding was that because they said she stormed out for 30 minutes. The video she posted was 36 minutes. I think she was like filming The conversation maybe with the rep like the fight Look what you made out. Yeah, she's got the transcripts to release as well. I don't know that's just a guess I need all the transcripts. I need more of it. I don't want that. I don't think we want that All right, so if you want if it's somehow, I mean it probably won't but like what if it makes Jordan look worse

There's nothing that could make her look bad in this situation whatsoever. She's just a regular 24 year old girl, woman, dating a 70 plus year old man for love. And a couple houses. But that's probably their shared passion. Yeah, their shared passion is buying houses they'll never live in.

If you had to give Jordan one piece of advice, what would you give her? Block out the haters don't don't yet keep doing you you know what they I think I think the I think the I personally think the best Resolution for this whole situation is for Jordan to just keep doing her. Yeah as much as yeah Yeah, I was gonna say the if I had to give one piece of advice to Jordan have a baby This whole situation is for Jordan to just keep doing her. Yeah. As much as possible. Yeah. I was gonna say, if I had to give one piece of advice to Jordan, have a baby. No, no.

Yeah, let's go. Let's make this official. Not with Belichick. Yeah, with Belichick, with Bill. Let's get a baby in this thing. No, no. At least fake a pregnancy. Yeah.

That's step one. It's like, hey, everybody in my life is telling me I need to break up with you So I'm gonna break up with you. Well, you can't because guess what? I'm pregnant. Yeah, fuck. Okay, and then nothing happens Jordan Belichick jr. Mm-hmm a baby in the mix of this. Yeah would be It would be one of one of the greatest story. I it already is a great love story but consummate consummate this love with a baby the important thing for them to remember is that everybody else in the world is crazy not you guys mm-hmm right it also really like it does it's good perspective I think for you know the rest of the world that because it kind

of happened with Brady too is like yeah these two are the greatest of all time, unquestionably, undeniably, but in their personal lives they're just normal people. Normal shit happens. Wait, were you saying that Belichick and Jordan are like Belichick and Brady? No, like Belichick and Brady in the football world, untouchable gods, but then it's like all this personal stuff that happens outside of football is just like, you know that happens with everyone. I mean Bill respects great and it's just it's not fun to follow. We can agree that Bill Belichick respects greatness right? Yes. And Jordan is the Tom Brady of crazy girlfriends. Right. Exactly.

She is the ghost. She's putting up crazy numbers. She's the Will Chamberlain. Yep. Watch this baby Baby good fire fest. I could fire fest Okay, you can just you can just start though. It is we're in it is disaster like that every report It's like just this is more every single fact that the family's getting involved now is yeah real estate was tough And then yeah, it's just it doesn't end. Yeah, and it it's not gonna it's ever this is for I don't think I think there's a chain like I Said over under of games Eddie coaches is like one and a half Yeah, the it feels like he's just not gonna code

I think how I don't know what is gonna lead to that But yeah, they're part of me is just like he's not gonna end up coaching a game Jordan her next step is one Maybe a fake pregnancy. Yeah, test the waters a little bit one two, maybe write yourself into the will. Mm-hmm The good news is Jordan at least CBS didn't pry about the meeting on the plane because I think we can all agree that her stopping that was the most important thing and Everything that has led after that Mm-hmm is just a weird coincidence. Yep Yep, they met on the plane period period a plane to palm beach

Man jordan Shout out jordan bad bitch We're a bad bitch podcast. I like her sheo. Yeah Uh, okay. Yeah, I mean I had a pretty good week this week, too I guess my I'll just say that the fire fest might be might be for us as a whole Because as a podcast we've dabbled in a little I'd say light hazing of some of our co-workers People that work on the show just like good good-natured ribbing nothing too serious But hazing is big time on the hot seat right now.

And people are stressing out about it. I don't know what you're talking about. I don't know what you're talking about either. No, we're very fair to everybody that's been here. There is a lacrosse team in Syracuse, New York that is in big, big trouble being threatened with felonies. They shut down the entire season, the high school lacrosse team. Here's what they did.

So they had a little initiation ritual for one of their younger players. And in the initiation, what they did was they staged a kidnapping. So they had one of the guys get in the car and they're like, we're all gonna go to McDonald's, have a team meal. They drive to McDonald's and then on the way there,

the driver pretended that he got lost Went off into a wooded area and then a bunch of guys came out of the woods his teammates But they were wearing like masks and black clothes One of them might have had a gun one of them had a knife. Okay Well, yeah If you're gonna stage a kidnapping you got to have those things then they put a pillowcase over the young man's head And they put him into the trunk of a car Then they put a pillowcase over the young man's head and they put him into the trunk of a car He eventually got out and then uh, and then a bunch of his teammates were also pretending to be kidnapped

They they escaped they got home now. They're trying to charge the team with felonies and they cancelled the entire season for the team Um, just because of a little prank now I will say that if you had a gun that might have been like one step too far No, I disagree if If you fake kidnapping, you need a gun. Otherwise, it's just like, what are we doing here, boys? Yeah, just walk away. Yeah, the only thing I can think of with a gun, what if the kid had had a gun and he sees the gun, whether real or fake, quickly say, Hey, it's just fake. Then the get, then the player takes his gun out, shoots the other guy and is like, that was hazing too. I just hazed you right back. Yeah. But it seems like this is,

this is going to be a national story and then, uh, no one's going to be allowed to make rookies get haircuts in training camp anymore or carry pads. Yeah. That's bullshit. Why this kid say all that? I, this seems to me like maybe he came home and he was scared and then the parents were like what happened And he told the parents and shouldn't you have come home and like yes, I mean I made it. Yeah, it's just a prank I'm initiated. Yeah, I'm one of the boys now, but it's also like look I'm not defending hazing here, but like you would never they they

Didn't didn't the team find out that he's not ride-or-die like yes, he's in kind of work Yeah, yeah You don't want a guy like that on your team who won't who's not down for a little fake kidnapping with a real gun and real knife and here's where the problem comes in is uh I just say the gun wasn't loaded a bunch of them a bunch of them filmed it so they have video evidence of it you have to film it I guess it's like the prank call to Shador that's where you no no no you gotta film it you gotta get that in house you got it you got to play it back whenever he gets a little up and

he being like look you fucking pissed your pants and cried when we Pulled this gun on you. Yeah It just seems like this is uh, it's a bet you shouldn't kidnap anybody with the gun was fake kid now There's a fake kidnapping. Also the kids should have known that it was a fake kid. That right you're in Syracuse, New York You're with your high school boys There are a lot of alarm bells that should go on my I don't want to say what team it was, but I was on a team at one point and they kidnapped one of the one of the freshmen and then they tied him up and they left him on the train tracks in the middle of campus.

Just a classic prank. And then he wiggled his way out and he wiggled his way back to the apartment and drank beers with the boys. Yeah, everything was fine. Yeah. And now he's got a bond for life where he thought he was going to die and you that that creates bonding. It does. Yeah. What do you say, Max? This whole Jordan situation has, I don't know what you're saying. What you're saying is real or not real. What do you mean? I have no idea. I don't know the Jordan situation threw off Max's sarcasm detector. I can't tell whether big cat is being sarcastic or how about the real thing about it about anything you're saying I I don't I sounds like a fake kid. What are you doing? What do you mean sarcastic? Yeah, dude Yeah, my bad my bad kind of fake kidnap your boys if you want to make sure that the rider die

Big guy you do a fake kidnapping you have to include a real gun. He might have been joking about loading the gun. And film it, yeah. Like, it's like, just, all right, here, ready? You got a new guy on the team. You gotta find out if he's down. If he's team material. Okay, so what's the only way you can find out

if this guy is gonna be a good teammate? Hold a gun to his head. Fake kidnapping. And if he's a a pussy then he's off the team. Fake kidnapping. What's the only way to do a fake kidnapping? Real gun. What's the only way to make sure that you have evidence of this? Video.

See how easy that is? Got it. It's a simple question of do I like this kid? And the only way to find out is you go down the line and it's fake kidnapping with a real gun on video and see this is where I keep getting Hank keep saying keep saying no to the camera. Yes. Which makes me think that you think ever. I don't think I'm being serious. I Hank. I think Hank is because I am actually played on winning teams before yeah, did you actually you getting PTSD right now? No no would they make you do max?

elephant walk That I Ride or die I would never I would never there you go. You would never do an elephant walk I would never I would never talk about the haze right that's why you don't feel it either because then it's like that What happened no one knows but it's even it's even better if you do film it and then You never show it to anybody. That's the that is the ultimate sounds like these are fucked Like it would be funny if this kid went to the police and the police just sat him down and they're like So let me get this straight you're tattling and they put the cuffs on him. Yeah

It's like did you have a gun? No, you go in your report to the police There's like one rookie cop and then a bunch of veteran cops And yeah, we did a fake kidnapping and my son is he's got PTSD from it and immediately the rookie cop It just starts laughing like you gotta keep your mouth shut. Yeah. Yeah, you're like it And he's like yeah back in fucking class of 96. Yeah, they hit me way worse Yeah, well, I was kind of chuckle and dap up and say good luck this season. If you're going to do a fake kidnapping with a real gun that's loaded, at least keep the safety on. Yeah, agreed. And finger not on the trigger, but maybe a little bit. If the safety is on, it doesn't matter. Right, right. Yeah, it would be funny if the cop was just

like, so you're not making the team. And then there's like, see you later. One thing I will say is that they probably, I'm a little upset that they cancelled the entire season for the entire team because regardless of your stance on doing a fake kidnapping slash attempted murder it's not every kid on the team that did it. Most? Why are you throwing yeah you're throwing the baby out with bath water. Agreed agreed. All right my fire presses I just I don't know I don't't really have one. I had a good week. I'm never going to sleep again. I realize that. What are you? Max, what's going on? Me? Made a great point. How is that your fire fest? Pft.

Huh? I just, I just said that I had a pretty good week. So this is just did a hot for us as a podcast. We might not be allowed to haze anymore. Good riff. True. True, true, true. Yeah. We should be. Max is just the voice of the listener of this episode. Yeah. Wait a second.

Wait a second. Big Cat Sirs, wait a second. Wait a second. PFT, that sounded like it was a Wednesday thing. I'm just trying to help out. I'm just trying to help out. Oh yeah, no, I just, I had the realization. I have this realization every now and then, but like doing like a forecast of my schedule like I'm just never gonna sleep again in

my life and that just sucks to know because I Just wish I could I like sleep a lot. Yeah, it's awesome. It's great. Thanks to sleep. I'm a sleep guy big time Also our softball team loss that sucked. We got to get better. Damn. The other team was very good We have to play better Defensively, I have to hit better good. We have to play better defensively. I have to hit better. We all have to play better. We were bad. We were bad. I was very bad defensively. Nobody hit no drinking before games anymore. No big. I have a question. Big cats coming in here and trying to. I think we need an anti fun team over. I drink after the game.

I got a question. A couple of softball. You have a couple of beers. It's fine. Was it beers? I went out to dinner and had a glass of wine. It was more than one glass. More. Did you have 100%? Not glasses of wine than errors. That first throw to Hank less wine. The first throw to Hank was I was like, shit, he might've had a lot of wine. No, no, I swear. I had two glasses of wine you know does game I was very good only next there on the right field yeah Max I was through on the right field and it was like the ball hadn't even released his hand he just goes I got I'm an emotional guy before even I was also the only guy who fucking hit yesterday I agree I said I have to hit better I fucking sucked at RBA I was

single yeah well you said you answered all my questions that the conversation eventually went to everything I was gonna Can I have a potential I have a potential firefetch for PFT? Well, so we won You won my slot, I figured you won my slot. Shut the fuck up, Hank! After that tweet you put out, you guys won my slot. I've been trying to say it since for the last four minutes! And you stupid motherfuckers won't stop talking! This is why I'm not in the fucking team! When Big Cat's like, oh, PFT, you wanna play on our team?

No, fuck you guys, we don't lose games on Fat Pitches only. You slaughter roll teams, right? We tie. What's your guys record? We won the tie, though. What's your record? Since I joined the team we are oh one and one What about we got a result? What's your record since I joined the team not counting forfeits? To oh and one no two and one we're two and one in the last two weeks. Yeah We're no three on the season. We're two and one. No, but in the last two. Oh, we're one and one. Oh

Not counting forfeits. fits no we played we played We're one of one two weeks ago. Yeah, does it forfeit we played a game against yourselves no against the other team That was there. I thought you forfeited no one one We're two and one on the season. We've got to be better. I'm gonna fact-check that we're two and one on the who'd you play? Last week the team we were supposed to play for food We played another game. I guess so this is not this ever team was there the team that was there It's all about next week Just a funny little that's just another game for me pf pf t anecdote that's been making me laugh since it happened They were playing the game before us. I walked up and pft was wearing his nobles, and I was like no

why don't you have cleats PFT and Dude, it's like well I brought my golf shoes which I do too because with spikes but PFT just brought golf shoes that don't have spikes No, they've got small spikes on there's like sneak. Oh, yeah, just made me laugh I mean, they've got a little the tiny little Plastic spikes on them. There's more grip than regular sneakers But it is true and Hank was like, why aren't you wearing those? I was like well because they're they're hot pink and which Hank ordered for me a couple years

And I'm not good enough You can't you can't be like an average to slightly below average player and we're being the only one that wears the hot pink shoes, right? I agree. Yeah, like if like anyone I know you're wearing like batting gloves. Yeah hypothetically I'm not looking anyway. I'm actually looking at the ground right now well we can look at the batting glove guy No, I we're not I'm being positive vibes only on this team Batting gloves and slow pitch 16 inches crazy, but I'm not talking about anyone on my team No, it's not it It's why would you need

batting gloves? No idea. PFT be a man and just piss on your hand. Unrelated. I fucking love my bobblehead. My Pope Bobblehead. It's so sick. Who got this for me? Oh, Shane. I fucking love Shane. Shane. Shane was probably MVP. Yeah, no, he actually was running the fuck out of the bases too. All right. good show boys. Wait Max. Are you gone? Yeah tomorrow. We're going are you gonna zoom in in the Maui costume Do you have if you if you bring me the Maui costume? I will wear the Maui what time you leave tomorrow? Like 6 a.m.. Oh fuck all right I can find it. He's gonna. He's gonna white yeah I know I wanted to hear him say another vacation

Hey Shane hey Shane. I heard that what the Pope. Yeah, I love it You don't need batting gloves shade. I don't give a fuck okay, I was two for two. I wear them in the field no Reason why you should wear batting gloves in 16 inches if you're playing the field and you're like it stings No, it's my job is to hit I love that There's there's adults doing sprints in the outfield before the game like trying hard if you're cool with the batting gloves I'm cool with the batting gloves. Yeah, I mean it's cool to try hard. Yeah, swaggy. Yeah, everyone thinks like if there's a try hard That's the coolest guy on the team two for two. Yeah, you were and I said that you were fucking running the hell out of bases, too We're gonna kill your speed even out there. You score. Do you score two runs? Yeah

spread is uh Spreads three and a half runs. All right numbers three 40 66 Fuck. 40. 21. 66. 43. 44. 59. 27.

27. All right, Max, have a good vacation. Love you guys. Bye, Max. Bye, guys. Bye Max. Bye Max. I'm ready. So I'm gonna be a star, I'm gonna be a star I'm gonna be a star, I'm gonna be a star I'm gonna be a star, I'm gonna be a star I'm gonna be a star, I'm gonna be a star I'm gonna be a star, I'm gonna be a star

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