Pardon My Take - Ryen Russillo, OKC Thunder Center Isaiah Hartenstein, Mt Rushmore Of M Things + Listener Submitted FAQ'S

Episode Date: June 25, 2025

The Thunder have their parade day and we talk about the Celtics dismantling their championship roster (00:00:00-00:16:58). We talk some NFL and an all time Hank moment plus Rodgers retirement tour (00:16:58-00:23:42). Hot Seat Chill Throne including a battle over AI, PFT is going to try to learn to fly, Joe Burrow throwing a baseball and more (00:23:42-00:49:07). Mt Rushmore of M things (00:49:07-01:16:22). Ryen Russillo is on the show to talk NBA Draft, clean up of Game 7, will all the Duke players be awesome, and running a 6 minute mile (01:16:22-02:06:49). Isaiah Hartenstein joins the show to talk about winning the title, his baby going viral, how great the Thunder were at Defense and more (02:06:49-02:30:05). We finish the show with listener submitted FAQ's (02:30:05-02:43:42).You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/pardon-my-take

Hey, pardon my take listeners, you can find every episode on Apple podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad free on Amazon Music. On today's part of my take, we have a lot. We have Mount Rushmore season. It is back. We have the Mount Rushmore of words and start with M. Gets a little contentious, which is good. We have Ryan Rosillo on to talk NBA draft, a little cleanup from the NBA finals. We have Oklahoma city Thunder NBA champion, Isaiah Hartenstein, and we're going to do FAQs and also talk about Hank Celtics, uh, being dismantled and who's better, sorry, hot seat, chill throne. So before we get to

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TAKE for new customers to get a special sign up offer, better payouts, bigger wins, only with Pick 6 from DraftKings. The crown is yours. Today is Wednesday, June 25th and boys it's Mount Rushmore season. Let's go. It's Mount Rushmore season. Did you guys see our good friend, friend of the program, Alex Caruso at the Oklahoma City Thunder championship parade with a Mount Rushmore shirt on all four of the heads being Alex Caruso. That's old school. That's awesome. I like that a lot. Alex Crusoe for president. Alex Crusoe for president. So yeah, the thunder had their parade today. It was funny watching

like Chet Homer and get really drunk. How many beers do you think it takes Chet to get drunk? I think it's like I think he's a toucan yet. I was gonna say three, maybe four, I think two beers and a cigarette. Yeah, I was gonna say three, maybe four, I think two beers and a cigarette. And he's puking. He was, he was very much a low bolt rose. Yeah, they were. They were in the press. He was like, I got my Mitchell low bolt rose. It's also just weird seeing a Gonzaga player win. It is. That's kind of strange. Yeah. To a final four, never wanted to be a four. Never won an NBA

championship. Yeah. Uh, Jalen Williams, I think said that he had his first drink ever. Uh, that's gotta be the best. I think we've done, uh, you know, best beers on Mount Rushmore before, but having your first beer ever be after winning an NBA title has to fucking rule. That's gotta be kind of cool. But then the hangover that he got, he seemed like he was never gonna drink again. Yeah, but do you remember like drinking your first beer and just being annihilated after one beer? No, but that's gotta be so much fun.

What I'm saying for him is he should not say he's never gonna drink again. Oh yeah. Because you should drink just only when you win an NBA championship. Yeah, yeah. Like I'll see you next year beer. He said, he said, I drank a little bit, took a couple of shots, champagne. I had a beer. It was

all disgusting. I'm a stick to Shirley temple. He was ripping shots of champagne. Yeah, I guess so. Damn. It's pretty crazy. Also the thunder, uh, everyone gets a day. I don't know if you guys saw this, but the mayor of Oklahoma city, uh, he gave every single person on the team a day. So I don't know if you want to get your calendar out, but Alex Caruso and Lou Dort are back to back July 24th and July 25th. Lou Dort Day, Alex Caruso Day. That's very cool. It's pretty crazy that everyone gets a day though.

That's very- Even Clay Bennett got a day. Well, Clay Bennett's a day, listen, respect. I would say every day is his day. Respect to Clay Bennett. Yeah. What hasn't he accomplished so far in life? A lot of respect.

Yeah, no, the parade was great. I like to see a city that really gets behind a team like that. Yeah. You guys think? We can celebrate Alex Caruso Day and the officers have everyone Shave their heads. Trip over the gauntlet,

like see, do their best version of what he did. Yeah, with a ring that doesn't count. He did say like, I finally have a real one. Yeah, he was joking. I choose to, but at the core of every joke Yeah, therein lies a serious tree. I'd like to think that maybe he was thinking of us in that moment. Yeah Real one like Alex. So is now an NBA champion. Yeah, he is. He's a one-time NBA champion but yeah, it was cool seeing we did also get the

The classic online argument of is your parade worthy enough? Are there enough people at the aerial shot of your parade? Florida actually showed up pretty well for the Panthers, but Oklahoma City, there were some people who were laughing at them. I love that because it basically is admitting you're a loser and you're going to basically say, all I have left is be like, you don't have enough people at your parade. Well, you can also say like, we have real jobs that we have to go to during the week. True.

These are oil pumping hours in the middle of the day. Now, when it comes to Oklahoma City, I wanna give a, we've given shout outs to obviously, Thunder, worthy of all the praise, Thunder Princess, Brickman wasn't able to come on part of my take, he's a rocket scientist, so he's fielding a rocket science call. But then there's also Delbert Jenkins, Oklahoma city super fan and shout out Bunky Perkins who always puts us on the timeline, but Delbert Jenkins is the funniest

NBA fan that I've ever seen with his flat top hanging on for dear life. It's like a Lego falling off the back of his head. Yep. And this guy's name is Delbert. His name is Delbert Delbert Jenkins. And you have to say is Delbert. His name is Delbert, Delbert Jenkins. And you have to say like a Delbert and he is the man and he is a world champion right now. So I hope Delbert wherever you are, I hope you're having a good time celebrating. I also have good news for you boys. Uh, I know that game seven was a bummer cause Tyrese Halliburton got hurt and it kind of robbed of us of what we thought was going to be an all time finish. Do you guys want to guess how many people watched million people watched? How many millions

of people watched? 3.8. I'm going to guess because earlier it was 2.8 billion, right? Game one. I think this one took a backseat a little bit. I'm going to go three million. OK. 16.35 million watched game seven, peaked at 19.28 million. So congrats to us for watching something that other people watched. I guess we know. Feels good.

Feels good. I guess we know ball. It was, I believe, the highest NBA Finals game since Warriors Raptors in 2019, but it also was down 9.3% from like last year. So nobody knows how to measure ratings anymore. When it comes to the internet, when it comes to phones, we're all just kind of guessing. Yeah. Five billion views is what they're saying across all, all, uh, meet social media platforms. Five billion views. Five billion. Every, almost everyone in the world watched this.

Up 215% versus last year. It's pretty good. Did they just tweet more? Yeah. Like that could probably be it, right? You could do that. They're just like, hey, let's just flood the zone. Yeah, flood the timeline.

Let's just get everything out there. That's a good possibility. The real NBA news though is Hank your Celtics the championship team Yeah on a duck boat with yeah Pretty much almost a year to like the day year to the day Two days ago two days ago is no more Christop's gone drew holiday gone. Are they done? And also, how do you feel? Somethings aren't done. People are saying Brad Stevens fleece

the trailblazers for every Simmons. I really I'm not going to say that that's true because I know nothing and nothing. I know that people online were telling me that he's better than drew holiday. Currently I don't necessarily believe that he is younger so I can I can buy in on that. He's cheaper and we got a ton of cap space because We're gonna be paying drew holiday for the next four years Trailblazer is gonna be playing money drew holiday 40 million dollars when he's 37. So that's good. It's sad What's it's just sad a year ago to the day? I was on the duck boat and this team felt like a core team that to the next three to four years We're gonna be in the hunt. We're gonna be going for the championship again,

repeat, even going into the playoffs. It was like, we're gonna repeat. And so it did flip quickly where it's like, oh shit, Tatum's hurt. We kinda knew we were gonna have to get rid of Drew Holiday or Porzingis, but after the injury, it was like, we're gonna get rid of both of them, we're gonna rebuild, and this is part of those process.

George Yang, I'm happy about that. I'm happy about that. So let me ask you this, Hank, are they done? Are they done trading? Yeah. Probably not. I think Brad Stevens is I don't know. I bet the other the other I just I really hope we keep Derek White. I really hope we keep Derek White.

He's the other person that gets thrown around a lot. I mean, even Gillian Brown, but I'm going say no, I'm probably gonna say no and that scares me But yeah, it should I feel like we're not done. Did you learn any lessons? Have you learned a lot have you learned any lessons from how you felt last year? Yeah Have you learned a lesson to where you're at right now? No, this is this is you learn my lesson It's this is why you enjoy every last second. If you ever get a chance to be in that spot,

you live it up and you do it up because it might never happen again. Yeah, so you did learn a lesson. Yeah, I'm happy I did what I did. Can you grade each trade? The Drew Holiday Trade, I'll give a B plus. Okay. Tell the truth.

And I mean, George Yang is, you know, Boston guy, local guy, recurring guest, AWL. Minivan. Great dude. Great dude. So I'm gonna give that one an A. Oh, okay. So you guys did well. So you hate Przingus.

No, but I like, I like, I like George a lot. The important part of all of this is,, you, and you said it at the start, Jeff Goodman said he loves George Yang to Boston elite locker room guy. Hi, IQ will give this other as a shooter off the bench. Just got to keep him out of the North end. Jeff Goodman knows hoops. Yeah. Uh, the, the, the important part of all this though was you buried the lead. You did happen to see at least a couple tweets saying you guys fleeced the blazers. Yeah. Then you're good. We that's it. I thought a lot. Oh, then you're good. Everyone was like, how did the blazers let this happen? As long as the first couple of replies, it was like,

oh my God, fuck. And then I went online and everyone was like, this is the best trade possible for the cell. They were like, yeah, obviously. All you need. All you need for a trade is for the one of the top three replies to Shams or Schefter to be fleeced. Dude, fleece is my favorite reaction to any, any trade ever in sports because you can just say fleeced about it. And you're going to be right because you're not saying which team got fleeced. You say, man, fleecing my, and then like two years from now I'll be like, look, I was right about the fleece. My favorite is seeing someone be like fleeced, you say, man, fleecing my, and then like two years from now, I'll be like, look, I was right about the fleecing. My favorite is seeing someone be like fleeced and then under that will be like by who, and

then there'll be like immediate replies by like Cleat, Portland fleece, the Celtics, Celtics fleece Portland is just, everyone has different, but fleece. Then you let them fight it out. Yeah. Yeah. As long as the fleecing occurred. Yeah. Somebody got fleeced. Yeah. If you're not the one doing the fleecing, you're the one getting fleeced. That's facts.

PFT. You got CJ McCollum. We got CJ McCollum. I'm pumped about that. The Wizards turning things around. What's sad for CJ? Oh, what? Playing on the Wizards? Yeah. You're trading away all your best friends, Hank. Set this one out. I mean, you did say when we're about to have the interview with the Rassilla, you're like, when guys go and play on the wizards, they like lose their love to play basketball. Well, that's a fact in the past that could never happen with CJ. That's happening. That's happening in like one hour from now in the show. I'm a, when he puts the uniform on for the official team picture, he's just going to be like, Oh man, I'm just here to cash a check. That was like Chris Middleton

picking up his option from the wizards for 33 million. It's like, yeah, no shit. Yeah, of course he would pack. Connors and picked up his from the box. And it was like, uh, no duh. Yeah. So I mean, I'm excited that I have a player on the wizards that I really enjoy as a human being that I get to root for. He does run her fantasy league. Uh, so I hope Jerry O'Connell doesn't burn that bridge and make CJ hate me. But yeah, I like CJ a lot. I'm excited to watch him as a wizard. I think there's a good chance that we might get ACE Bailey. So listen, I'm kind of, I'm slowly realizing that maybe the wizards might not be complete dog shit over the course of the next two years.

There you go. Yeah. I mean, the, listen, the, the steal the draft will be, uh, the, the Mavericks have already won the draft, which we're doing our draft preview with Rossello in a minute. But I don't know if you guys knew this. Cooper flag is like LeBron James and Kevin Garnett having a baby. That's who said that? Happy Pride. Who said that? You should both get this. Skip. No, Colin Coward. No ESPN. You should both get this. Skip. No. Colin Coward. No. ESPN, you should both get it. Scott Van Pelt.

Come on. Oh, it's Stanford Steve. Kendrick Perkins, obviously. Okay, all right. Yeah. Care the hell on. LeBron James and Kevin Garnett having a baby. I'm shocked.

You get Cooper flag. I mean, he should, if you had said like having a damn baby, I would have been like, yeah, that's perk. Yeah. Care the hell long. The only other thing I had was, uh, uh, I just love that Kevin Durant just keeps owning a manual on show, which is the manual. I'll put out his, uh, legacy, uh, formula, which bro thought he did something. The legacy formula. Yeah. You didn't see the legacy formula. No, but I got to prepare myself for this. This is like, I feel like I'm Matt Damon walking

through the halls of MIT And I'm stumbling across a blackboard. Yeah, what's the formula? So just so we're clear you there's a disclaimer here For clarity legacy and talent are not the same Okay. All right. Just want to get you guys ready for that going in. I the legacy formula is championship championships one divided by teams played for equals teams like team like this. That's like a legacy. Yes. That's it. So Kobe Bryant has a legacy of five teams. He played five. He won five championships for one team. Tim Duncan also has a legacy of five. Uh, then you go down the list. Steph Steph has a legacy of four kind of like Bron

has a legacy of one point. Yeah, I like this. Dirk has a legacy of four kind of LeBron has a legacy of one point three. I like this jerk has a legacy of one and Kevin Durant has a whopping legacy of point four. Okay. Two championships, five teams. What about done something? What about you think he did? He wrote did something. If you go to NFL, like what does that mean for Peyton Manning and Tom Brady's legacies? Yeah, they actually Jordan did it He he ruined his legacy go to the with they actually would have had a six Yeah, they actually don't have the legacy that we thought they once they got divided in half That's a good formula. It's good. No Brady's legacy still stands up though. I just I love the idea Three and a half is still higher than everyone else higher than six

But it's still like six my homes Three and a half is still higher than everyone else. It's not higher than six. But it's still like. It's more than six. Mahomes keeps it. But Manning goes cut in half. But if Mahomes wins one more and stays with the Chiefs, he now has a higher legacy. That's true.

So that's it. I mean, Joe Montana, oh no, he played for the Chiefs. Yeah. OK. I love the idea of a manual. I chose sitting down at a table in a white lab coat like he's Oppenheimer, like coming up with this formula and he's like, no, no, it's all shit crumpling up pieces, throwing it away and coming out with a two factor legacy authentication. Yeah, that's, that's awesome. So I'm glad that's good for sports. Okay.

But all right. So you like the manual outro legacy formula. Can I interest you in a different formula? Yeah, okay. Here it is This is the great Kevin Durant's legacy formula Okay, and this is how this formulas decide. This is from Kevin Durant According to great Kevin Durant's legacy formula that was created in the best labs at MIT Emanuel is the worst linebacker of all time. You sure you want to listen to this guy about greatness? That's what he came back with. I love it. That's good. Good for Kevin Durant.

Kevin Durant's formula only rates one person and it's a manual at you and it's the worst. Yeah, that's good. Good for him. This is this is this is such a sign we need football back. We have legacy formulas dropping. I'm very excited for football coming back. Do you see Florio's thing? Yeah, so so I

Explained alright, so so last night Florio tweeted out I expect some big news to be happening tomorrow as Mike stud will do as Mike stud does and I actually I got a text from Mike last night being like I'm glad that you saw this and then I was like Mike What are we talking about? Like is this bangles related news? Is this extension related news for some player? And he was like, Nope, it's a niche issue that not many will care about, but it will be earth shattering. And so I was like, okay, I can't wait. Basically, he said, this is the greatest news for me personally, Mike, floor. Yeah. Like

if Mike Florio had not been a part of this news happening, this would be Mike Flores dream story to cover as a journalist. And then it came out this morning. He went on the podcast with public Tory and they got exclusive access to the league's collusion settlement that they had. And they proved that the league actually was colluding against players after the Deshaun Watson signing, where he got so much guaranteed money that now the other owners got together and they're like, we're not paying these guys guaranteed money like that anymore. Jimmy has a piece of shit. We all have to agree that we're not going to we're not going to do that, because that's going to fuck everything up. So apparently at the center of this was Russell Wilson, Kyler Murray, and I believe there was one other quarter. Yeah, and Lamar and Lamar Jackson. Yeah. So I feel like I feel like Florio is all his theories, all roads always lead back to Lamar back to Lamar and like his contract. Yeah, it might it might. But with the with the Kyler Murray thing and the the fact that the owners are getting together to discuss like, do not pay these guys fully guaranteed contracts. I do think that that's a pretty big deal. Yeah, no, I agree. It's big that all the teams who have an anti

trust exemption to be getting together and discussing this. But again, yeah, this is Mike Floreo's dream story that he could possibly write about. Right. And he was also part of also dropping on a summer Friday or summer Tuesday. Summer he dropped far away from dropped in. Mike, why'd you He dropped it in the summer. We are far away from Friday, buddy. Mike, why'd you drop this news in the summer? This news would have banged if it was November. Look at his face right now.

It's summer Friday. Wait, Hank, I have a question, though. I think it is Tuesday, brother. I have a question, Hank. If you dropped it on a Friday, what's the big deal? That's still weekday. It's not like it's the weekend. It's summer.

No one cares. It's summer. It's summer Friday. All summer. Summer. Cut the Friday. How did you get? It's Tuesday. It's not like it's the weekend. It's summer. No one cares. It's summer. Summer. Summer. Summer. Cut the Friday. How did you get it? It's Tuesday. It's Tuesday. We are. We are golfing. We're doing the Ryder Cup. There's not gonna be spoilers coming out later this what? In August. Um, so that's why you're watching us in, uh, I don't even know what would describe beautiful cabin, a beautiful cabin. What was that? Max? It's literally as far away from Friday as you could

possibly be. Yeah, actually. Like it's either Monday or Tuesday or both as far away equally as far away from Friday. Yeah. Hank, where'd that come from? Where'd the Friday part come from? I was bad because we're golfing. We're golfing. We're golfing. I'm golfing. I'm going. Your brain goes to Friday. It's summer. Yeah, no, it's on me. Hand up. Hand up. Delete that. We're going to cut that. We're basically playing maximum amount of golf

this week for content and our jobs. Yeah. Hossie Cool Throne. Hank is very excited about that. Did you just try to move us on? Yeah, he did. All right. Well, we'll move on. We'll move on. But one last thing. Aaron Rogers is, uh, he's, he's doing a retirement tour. I don't know that he is. He says he is. Do you think Aaron Rogers is going to get to this season and the Steelers make the playoffs and then he's going to fake quietly into the sunset? Probably not. Like go buy a bungalow in Costa Rica. Probably. I don't think he is. Yeah, probably not. I feel like he's just saying this maybe to gain favor from Steelers fans being like, Hey, I'm not going to torture you guys for too long. I mean, what does that mean for his legacy though?

Oh man. Two teams. Yeah. Well, he's got a, he's got a legacy of 0.3. Yeah. What about Benedict Arnold? Zero championships, two teams. That's crazy. It's bad. Yeah. He's a negative, although he can't divide by zero. No, I think if you if you leave a team and then they immediately win after you leave and then your new team doesn't win anything, then that's negative. That's negative legacy. Ryan Whitney. Oh, god damn it, Hank. Why would you bring him up? Bryce Harper shit. I wouldn't he will be on the show on Friday. I've confirmed that booking. Not because he's staying. He's staying in a

cabin with me and PFT and I said to him Hey, can you come on Friday? He said yeah, he is not looking forward to it. He's not he's like he said what so you can beat me up Yeah, like yeah, dude. I had a dumb thought Yes might be the dumbest thought. Okay, maybe I've ever said okay. Yeah, no, it's summer Rollerblading from LA to San Diego was on King from the free throw rocks, both taking a boat, taking a fan boat from New Orleans to Baton Rouge after LSU won a championship. You're describing the middle of the night in the middle of the night. As if we would be like, you say makes me sound cool as if LSU fans would be like, oh shit.

PFT and big cat are here. Now the party, it wasn't about the, it was about the journey, the fan boat journey. It was about showing up on the fan boat, but it go ahead. Yeah. So, uh, this might be the dumbest idea ever deep in the second round of the NBA draft. Let's just say, uh, the Pacers got the last pick in the second round of the NBA draft. Maybe they're a little bit worried about selling tickets. Maybe a little bit worried about selling tickets next season. This is not dumb. Halliburton's not gonna be back.

This is not dumb. Why don't they draft Caitlin Clark? This is not dumb. This is not dumb. I do not think this is dumb at all. Put her in in like the late second half of a blowout either way. Maybe like a handful of games here or there. Are they allowed to do that? I know that you can pay her. Yeah, I don't think this is dumb. I think she'd sell tickets. I do not think that's dumb at all. Now is she at the ability level to be an NBA player? No, obviously not. But sell tickets. She's

not. She can go out there. She can hit a couple threes. Ball and hoop. Hank, what do you think? Floor space. How dumb is that idea? It would sell tickets. It would sell tickets. Yeah. Like, honestly, the Wizards drafter would be so funny. The Wizards to draft. I'm going to say this right now. The Washington Wizards second round pick, whatever your last second round pick is draft Caitlin Clark. Yeah. You want people to go to your games? That's I mean, it's not a dumb

idea. So that I'm throwing out the rollerblades was dumber. Zach, was that a dumb idea? Kind of a solid game plan. I saw some tickets. Yeah. And Clark in the building. Some jerseys. Yeah, definitely sell some jerseys.

Definitely. They're they're pumping merch. They they pick King Clark up. Yeah, Pacers, Katelyn Clark jerseys would go crazy. They would go hard. Yeah, that would be sick. All right. Hank, you want to do Hot Seat Chiltron? Or you think it's Friday? I know. So I see. Katelyn Clark jerseys would go crazy. They would go hard. Yeah, that would be sick. All right, Hank

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You can't, I was reading the ad and I saw max giggling. Like I saw his, like his body in the background giggling and I started to giggle it's Friday this guy it's so good it's so good it's bad I just started thinking about it I'm gonna be giggling about it probably Oh, for sure. For sure. I'm going to wake up tomorrow and try to get donuts. That was worse than Billy asking Whitney. How was your weekend on a Tuesday? Oh, no. Yes. What are your plans for the weekend? I think it was. How's your weekend? How's your Saturday? How's your Saturday? How's

your Saturday? I forgot that it was how was your Saturday. Alright. Chess is bad though. Hank, hot seat children. No, yeah, that made me never want to speak on this podcast again. Good thing you're up. Yeah, my hot seat is Jokic. Yeah. Yep.

Out of nowhere basically, the Nuggets owner was doing a press conference and said there's a nightmare scenario where the wrong player gets injured in the season apron could force them to consider the possibility of trading Nikola Jokic. What nightmare scenario is that? You saw? Yeah, basically like Jamal Murray gets it. What is Oh, no, will he get injured again? Like every year? That was mean. Sorry, Jamal Murray. But that's I mean, that's basically like in the in the Celtics, you know, they they were paying they were doing the luxury tax

Like that's the Southerners did the same thing where the nightmare scenario happened and they had to deal with it They weren't talking about the nightmare Sarah know beforehand this guy got completely unprompted. They were like, yep It could happen. Like why would you do that? I feel like on a summer Friday. Yeah I feel like he was in a you don't try to take this back Don't try to repurpose it and make a joke out of it I feel like he came from a meeting where they maybe Like some like an accountant looked at it and was like, Hey, if you traded your kitchen, so Friday, all right, that's our

Yoke is discussing. Well, okay. I got, I have a spin zone. I got a cool throne. Wait, wait, chill drone. Quick spin zone for that. I got a chill throne. If you're the GM of the night, your job is to literally think through nightmare scenarios. Right? Yeah. Not Sam. Not Sam. Yes. Not Sam. Do you know

what I'm saying? No, I think that's true. That's true. That's true. Thought about it. That's true. Just don't say it. I think what happened was though, I think he was literally in a meeting right before the press conference with like an accountant, like the head of payroll and he was like, can you just give me like, show me what we got right now? And he saw Yokochi at the top and he's like, oh, well. And then it just came out. I think his job, a good GM should be thinking- It's not GM, owner, Josh Cronke, who said this.

Owner. A good owner, if they're in lockstep with a GM, should be thinking through all the worst case scenarios. They should have a plan for whatever happens. I think maybe he had a meeting where they were going through the worst case scenarios. And that scenario stood out to him so much. He's literally had nightmares about like, yeah, it has become a nightmare scenario

for him. Yeah. And so now he's just like thinking about it nonstop. So he had to say he had to say it. You should not say that never you should think about it. Never say it. Never. Never. My children. Titan University. Yeah. Yeah. Taylor Swift. They got Taylor Swiftie. Wow. She was at we were we were at this or no, I don't think you guys came me and Billy were at we're upstairs. We were at this party two years ago. I would we have gotten the invite if we were there this year.'t think you guys came. Me and Billy were at this party. We were upstairs. We were at this party two years ago. I wouldn't we have gotten the invite if we were there this year. I think it might have. I think we might have. We did get the invite this year. But yeah,

I think us not going maybe that's what I always that was that was my first reaction. There might be a chance to like, oh yeah, the bar is there. Would she have gone? Yes. And how would it have gone for us? Yes. Yes. She would have gone. I think there's a, but they would have, they would have kept, they would have closed. We would have been put in a corner.

Yeah. Yeah. We would have probably given, been given like a fake. I also think we would borderline knockout invited. Yeah. We, we might have been given a fake location. They go, yeah, the party's over here. But that's a huge, huge, is she doing drills with them? Yeah, I don't know.

It's crazy. It's a crazy, crazy get. Yeah, it is. I might even dare I say, I think Travis Kelsey and Taylor Swift are officially dating in my eyes. That's huge. Yeah, you forget the other part of that clip was me saying if she ever goes to teo, have we seen video evidence of her at T.E.U. or just pictures? I assume there's video evidence as well. I'll find it. Well, Hank gets caught with a lot of questionable video evidence. Did you see the dog scuba diving? Yeah, that was sick.

It's a big bubble and the shark came up and hit him and the cats off the diving board. Yeah, that was that that was real. Yeah. Okay. 50 your hot seat. Chilter. My hot seat is Antonio Brown. Oh, Antonio Brown is on the hot seat. We didn't talk about this dude is on the run right now because

he's wanted for attempted murder. That's not good. But Antonio Brown has done a great job of just putting so much weird shit out there that the attempted murder thing kind of just gets lumped in with all the other stuff that he's done. Right. Where you're jacking off in a pool in front of a family. Yeah, I remember that.

Where you're spray painting your mustache gold and then touching the Jeff Darlington. The jack off pool one, was that in like Abu Dhabi or something? Wasn't it- Like the country where you're allowed to jack off for some kids? No, no, no, no. I'm not saying that, but I feel like there was something where it was like he was in a foreign country. So that's why people were like, oh, whatever. I feel like in Abu Dhabi, they would they would cut your hand off. I agree. I can't remember where it happened.

But yeah. So Antonio Brown, he is he's accused of attempted murder for firing a gun after whatever that that stream fight was. I didn't have I didn't have the attention span to really dig into who was at that fight. But I guess Aiden Ross, Aiden Ross. Yeah, yeah. So he's, he's on the run. And he's also still tweeting while he's on the run. Well, his account is account is still tweeting. Yes. But he's still posting like there's been videos and stuff. At some point, Antonio Brown is going to give away his location, right? Yeah. It was Dubai, Dubai. Okay. Like when, um, uh, who was it? Was it Andrew Tate that gave away his location by like posting a selfie video of him? I. That's like it's only Antonio Brown is going to do that exact same thing. He's going to make it easier. He's going to make it way easier.

Just post. He's going to post himself up at like a very well known place. Yeah. In front of the Eiffel Tower in Times Square. Yeah. So, yeah, Antonio Brown hot seat. And then my cool throw is my fear of heights children. Chill throne is my fear of heights because on the plane ride here. Shout out to the pilot that we had today. He let me sit up front. I was basically like a five year old that he let into the

cockpit and he was like showing me all the stuff that he was doing. And he was like, okay, well I'm going to turn the radio on and there you're going to let get to hear all the navigation info and look, look over there. That's where the airstrip is. And he talked me into taking flying lessons. Hell yes. I think I'm going to take flying lessons from this guy. Nice. This guy Marty. I think I'm going to finally do it and get behind the stick of a plane.

Please don't die. Well, no, I said flying lessons, not crashing lesson. Well, I'm just saying, please don't die. I'm going to try not to die. I'm going to try my best. I get a lot of blank stares in this room for people that are like, oh, PFT is not going to do this. No, no, no. My what did I just say? I think you're going to do it.

I'm saying please do not die. I think you're going to get flying lessons. I think you're going to do pilots license and you're going to buy a plane. And then you might die. Correct. That's the that's where I'm worried about the content. I'm never going to buy a plane. OK, but I already own several on my and I don't want you to die. Yeah, this is me. Is it like I'm saying is like people who just several on my computer. And I don't want you to die. Yeah. This is me as like, I'm saying as a friend,

like people who just fly on their own do die. No, but I was watching him and it was like, oh, make. I was asking the best questions to him. He kept turning around. You know what he would say to me? Great question. Oh, nice. I'd be like, what's our landing speed?

What's our stall speed? Great question. At this altitude, great question at this altitude great question I could tell he was impressed yes max what is the point of taking flying lessons if you don't intend to like use them no doesn't mean I'm not gonna fly a plane just means I'm like question good question question you would learn how to fly and then you'd be like you know it'd be actually sick if I could just instead of go go to traffic to my lake house I could just fly to the lake and then you'd be like oh yeah I found this fucking plane on plane

B and B yeah right yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah that is a very you and Chef Donnie were the first one there and then you guys all are following along with where I went to that is a very valid concern that Hank had of me hard, getting a pilot's license and then cheaping out on a plane. Cause I got a deal. So like this guy's practically giving it away. So is my initial inclination, not correct? When I said, please don't die. That's exactly, that's where my brain went right away. It was just like, you're going to end up flying a small plane by yourself. Please don't die. I feel Camino in the air, but danger. Yeah. Well, yeah. Hey, guess what? When you run out of gas, another good point. When

you run out of gas with your plane, that's not good. That's another good point by Max, which is if the El Camino has any bearing on how I evaluate motors, I'm not going to buy a plane. I have no intention. I will. I'm just considering your chef down here. Never allowed to buy a plane. I have no intention. I will. I'm just considering your never allowed to buy a plane. Why? You both would crash. Yes. I just think you will try and convince you to buy a cast.

We should be nurturing each other's interests and hobbies. And this is an opportunity I have to do something incredible. And I think I'm going to take flying lessons. Okay. All right. Can I say it one more time? Please don't die. All right. Hank, you should laugh. You can't fucking get 10 feet off the ground. Well, 10 feet off the ground

would be way more than knocking. All right. That's my children. Children is flying. They take it to the skies. All right. My hot seat is our good friend, Joe Burrow, because we didn't talk about this on Sunday, but The baseball throw what happened there? We have to defend Joe. We love Joe What happened? It's Sun Tzu. Have you read the art of war big cat? Okay Yeah, make your make your enemies believe your your weak when you are in fact, so you can't throw a baseball Yeah, well, he's so focused on throwing a football. Yeah, that's true. Like it was a, it was a football motion. All right. He doesn't have

the, like, I don't, I don't, he might not have played baseball. So he just only knows how to throw overhand, like a football. My, my spin zone, I can't throw a football cause I can only throw a baseball. Yeah. My spin zone is that Michael Rubin just paid off every single person that had anything to do with fanatics fast and like, like checked off, like, all right, Brady, you're gonna or Manning, you're gonna fake tackle Brady. Uh, Kevin Durant, we're going to get you traded. Joe bro. You're going to throw a baseball poorly. I actually think that he probably bought viral moments. I, yeah. So that's what I'm going with. So I

think Joe bro broke the world cup. Yep. The guy filled the soda next to living. I think, uh, Joe burrow, incredible, uh, entrepreneur capitalist. You made a lot of money to throw a baseball like that. That's my take. I actually don't think that you're wrong. Yeah. I think that if you look at everything that came out of that weekend, there was a lot of plan. There was a lot of planned viral moments that like, they probably are like, they actually probably there's probably a contract somewhere that's like it's titled Joe Burrow throws a baseball poorly. And here's the offer sheet. How much money do you think it would take for if you were Joe Burrow? I'm not saying you're you I'm saying you're an NFL quarterback.

How much money would it take for you to put that tape out there? I think just a couple of a million. I was gonna say a couple of millions. Joe Burrow doesn't seem fazed by what other people think of. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think a couple million that should get it done. Like one baseball pitch for seven for one million. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If you're going into a contract year, price goes up. Yep. Agreed. Um, also hot seat. Have you guys seen these Italian DJs online? Have you seen them?

Are those guys real? Yeah. What is that? Are they industry plants? They're everywhere right now. I mean, okay. Have you seen them, PFT? I've not seen them, but are those the guys that use like people's heads?

No, they're basically, it's like they wear like 80s clothes and they're usually synth pop. It's these guys. They're basically they're usually in like a bathroom or like a kitchen and they're doing like 80s techno music. Is that what an industry plan is? I wish I knew what industry plants were before someone was like, Hey, that's an industry plan. I wish I could see it myself. Like the Bobby Altaf. She was like, Hey, that's an industry plant. I wish I could see it myself. Like the Bobby Altaf, she was industry plant, right? I don't think she was either. I think I think we will throw that around.

People get popular. I think these guys are just got a unique vibe. All right. I like they're in there popping off. I also had a moment where I was like, are they a.i. That bummed me out. Yeah. I was like, that's a problem in today's society. Yeah, no, yeah, because they have good beats. I've done more research than that guy that I thought might have been a. Yeah. That I was like that problem in today's society. Yeah, no. Yeah. Because they have good beats. I've done more research than that guy that I thought might

have been a I I think he's actually a I the singer songwriter that I was like this dude's next up. Yeah. So that's kind of what this is like. This could easily be a I. Yeah. Fuck. Um, all right. My children is a quick embrace the debate that I saw online today. Do you guys when you guys go to the bathroom, do you piss with your balls out or in? I just thought it was a really funny balls.

He's debate balls in. You separate. Yeah. It's a piss with my balls out. No, it's a need to know basis. My balls don't need to know that I'm pissing completely dependent on pants. That's a good point.

Like jeans. I'll probably go balls in ifing completely dependent on pants. That's a good point Like jeans, I'll probably go balls in if I'm wearing sweatpants. It's definitely ball Oh, yeah, if you go sweatpants, you got a you got to pull down, right? You get everything over right now, but even some some like, you know, like the pants I have on now I'd probably just go balls out. Yeah. Yeah, just flop them over Yeah, I think I go balls. Yeah, so when I piss, I'm like, I'm, I'm pretty, I'm pretty sure I'm balls out except for when it's a zipper. Then even if you put your balls through a zipper, that's crazy. You're crazy. Yeah. That's, that feels like a little tiny razor blades, but

yeah, if you're, if you're pissing, that's the penises. Also, I'm drunk and if you're having sex, then that's the balls need to be out. You don't, nobody just goes it's all the way down to your like, it's like, what am I going to go like seven or fucking? Yeah. I'm not to my ankles, but like, yeah, just fucking I don't care. Are you balls out or balls in? It's depending on the pants. I give it's if we're doing like elastic waistband, more athletic feels

pride balls out of her jeans, pry balls in. You guys are pissed to the side. We like down down the leg of the shorts, if you're wearing shorts. I don't have that kind yet. You take it while you take a knee for it. What now? Where are we talking about? Like if you play a lot of us on a field, yeah, on a field like when I had done that on a beach. Yeah.

When I used to play rugby, it's like during the game, you go off to the corner of the field, you just pull your little pecker through the side and then you piss and then hopefully somebody gets tackled right there and you all share a good laugh. I took a piss today in the golf course behind a tree and I like, you know, when you just pick the wrong tree, I started pissing. And then I looked to my left and there was like five different angles of people being able to look at me. Yeah, that did.

I saw memes pissing outside today on the course, just in somebody's front yard. Memes was just standing and he pulls his pants below his ass. Balls out below his ass, just pissing in somebody's front yard. This poor family balls out. Zach finishes off hot seat, chill, trunk. Also, congrats to Zach. He didn't die today on the plane. Play right. Well, everybody survived the pilot or someone's me the pilot had several decades of experience with commercial airlines. That was super reassuring. I was like, oh, this guy's got skin in the game. He's a professional guy. He wants to get back to the family.

And you got a free kiss from Jerry anytime you want. I do have one of those bang for a bad day. He banged a kiss from Jerry because I told Zach, I was like, hey, if we're going down like are you worried that maybe you'll think in your head man I'm about to die and I never kissed a boy and I was like what boy would you kiss and Jerry was like I'll do it and that he said that offer stands he said a permanent stand so I'll keep that card back pocket never know huge okay what do you got so I do have a hot seat are you guys are familiar with like the originally when the AI video started coming out, it was

like wonky eyes, wonky hands, you could tell, right? And then last couple months you guys saw the videos where the koalas are vlogging and the yetis are vlogging through the city and everything. Now have you seen the AI test videos to where it's like, okay, they'll give you five scenarios, five people or five news reporters, and then you have to pick like, is this AI before and after the video? Yeah. Like go through like five of them? Yeah. My hot seat is pretty much everybody on earth. We probably need to come together and realize that we can't

tell anymore. No. There's like and I thought this would be like a decade, 15, 20 years from now. I think it's in the next six months. We're absolutely finished and there's no need to like there's no need to get on the internet because you have no clue what you're looking at. Correct. Yeah, yeah. Very, very soon. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. Agreed.

Yeah. Yeah. 100%. The cat's high diving. Yes. Is that the kitten's high diving? No, that was real. Wait, did you fail the test?

Zach's right. I felt several of them on there, yeah. Yeah. It's insanely difficult sometimes. Yeah, so extremely. It's pretty scary. Zach, would you be interested in an app that goes on your phone that flags every AI created video as being AI before it plays?

Yes, if that's already a... This is what I'm working on right now. That's huge. Yeah. It's called KO AI and I'm working on it. Let me get in the beta on that. I think that would be a good app to have. But yes, for the last, I'd say four months,

it's just scary. Now we're just, I'm just terrified online all the time. I thought we had tons of time. It would maybe be like the way younger people's problem. You know what I mean? Like the smaller kids. No, we're all absolutely fucked. Yeah, absolutely.

And I know I might be late to that, but here recently I'm like, all right, internet's finished. No, it's been going on for a while. They've been good for a long time. It even will get you to confuse which day it is. Sometimes it's Tuesdays, sometimes it's finished. I've been going on for a while. They've been good for a long time I saw get you to confuse which day it is Sometimes it's Tuesday. It's Friday. I saw this trend. It's happening on tik-tok right now. It's ASMR is visual AI

ASMR So it's people cutting into like jello and fruits and shit But it's all AI and it's supposed to make you feel good while you're watching it. But the entire thing is AI. It's just you're you're not officially a zombie. If you watch those videos and you just stare at and feel good, you're half a you're you're not even a person anymore. At that point, there's like AI influencers on Instagram with like hundreds of thousands of followers and their comment sections are just a bunch of horny dudes who have no clue that it's not a real woman. I actually think that's not the worst thing in the world I saw one of those

girls the other day I think you get a you get a bunch of weirdos like moth to a flame around an AI chick that's not harassing a real girl was obviously fake or no no I had to really double-take dive deep and figure out I was like pretty sure those girls I'm pretty sure I follow Instagram but guess what? She's so hot. Don't really bother me every time I see him like well those huge cans They really figured out real they figured out the nipples way before they figured out the thumbs. Yeah Alright your children. I do have a children This might be piggybacking a little bit off of what you guys talked about earlier in the episode

We all saw the Friday thing that Hank did. We're cut that. Friday's coming up in most in a lot of days, but it is Australia. Australia. China. It's Friday in China. No, it's not. I don't even think with the furthest time change, it could be relatively close.

Well, when they're listening now. Zach, you're right. No, still could be relatively close. Well, when they're listening now. Zach, you're right. No, still no. How far ahead do you think? They're like two days or something. You think there's a place on earth that's two days ahead? 18 hours?

How many time zones do you think there are? There's eight time zones. 12. They're not 12. They're not eight. Think about what a day is. There's 24 time zones. Right. You want to know a crazy fact? China only has one time zone. That's crazy. Yeah. Arizona. It's pretty. But China's China should have like six or seven.

That means but China's China should have like six or seven. But you just mean they don't change their clocks. Yeah. You know, it's crazy, though, is like, why don't we just have one time where it's the same time everywhere on Earth? Yeah, I mean, but just if you're if you say it's like 12 noon in England, in London or wherever Greenwich Mean Time is, then 12 noon in England is sunny and then 12 noon in Alaska is nighttime. What do we do about the nine to five? What about what do we do for I guess it still would

be five o'clock. That's actually a good point. Yeah. It, it's not five o'clock somewhere. Yeah, we only have one time zone. Yeah. Yeah Okay. Well, no, it would be oh, yeah one time zone. Yeah Clock in one one place at the whole earth. There should be a country where it's always five o'clock. Yeah, okay Your children. Oh gotcha. I would like to say on our own children I think it is pretty chill to already be on Friday. So that is huge. But uh, I Just to piggyback off what you guys are talking about a little earlier I know that okay, she had the parade is huge as she is running through the streets with the trophy Which I thought was kind of a wild move on the concrete, you know, everybody's having a great time

They're on the buses or probably the bottles of champagne But I was I was Caruso with the Lakers ring as the chain. Oh, yeah, Rushmore tea Yeah, the big bottles of 42 He's having a splendid day. The bubble ring allegations are gone forever. No, no, I think they got harder No, you don't think so. No, he's his ring is just a piece of like it's a necklace It's it's not even real anymore So I guess you can maybe say okay, maybe the allegations of that championship aren't gone But he has another one to say hey, why also have this one? Is that fair to say? Yeah.

My baby, I mean, now he's treating his own like it's no better than a shark's tooth. I'll say this. I'll say this. I think he went from zero rings to one and a half rings. I don't know if that makes sense. No, in a way, it doesn't in a way because it validates the first rings for a half. Yeah. Yeah. How many, how many has LeBron one since the bubble? Zero. Interesting. You big LeBron guy? I think LeBron's great basketball for sure. Okay. Sounds like your big LeBron guy. It runs good athlete. Okay. Carmelo though over LeBron. Yeah,

100% Amari Stoudemire. One gotta go Amari Stoudemire. One guy to go. Amari Stoudemire or LeBron James? In what capacity? One guy to go. Basketball? Yeah.

Can we rotate with someone else? This is an hard question. Last question, then we're going to go to Mount Rushmore and then we have our two interviews. Melo versus LeBron 211 one-on-one. Melo. That's what I thought. All right. We're going to do Mount Rushmore of M things and then we have Ryan Rosillo and then Isaiah

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Okay, it is time. It is Mount Rushmore season. We are here. Best time of the year. Best time of the year. A reminder, it is PFT and Hank, Max and Means and me and Zach. And we will post, do we want to talk about posting the polls? Because it feels like every single year we have an issue with that.

What time are we posting them? They're going gonna be blind We're gonna go off the votes. We're not allowed to interact with the polls correct whatsoever. Not not even a retreat. We're not We've done retreats the past. I don't care. I don't think we are. Okay, I Mean we could whatever rules we make it really good. We can retweet. Yeah Do you want as many people voting as possible? Yeah. Do you want as many people voting as possible? Nice. No retweets. Yeah. No retweets. No interaction. I think Hank's right. I think what we're seeing from Hank is actually just growth.

Good eye, Max. All right. So we'll post them on the Pardon My Takes Twitter every day. What time? Do we know? Because Meme's gonna ask us. 11? 11 Central. 11 Central so that people have time to listen to the show. Hour long vote? Is it usually? Yeah. There are two hours? Two hours. Two hours. And then this year we've decided we're going to do something for the punishment where there's going to be four punishments. One is going to be what we knew. We know one and four. We don't know two in three. We got to figure that out which we can anyone who has ideas throw them out there. So we decided what the one punish the before punishments

that will choose from we're going to use the lottery ball machine at the end of Mount Rushmore season. So the losing team will have an equal chance to get one of the four punishments. One of the punishments will be those two guys have to drive to Mount Rushmore and back, no stopping or sleeping over and basically live stream the whole thing. Take a picture of Mount Rushmore, of them in front of Mount Rushmore and then drive right back. And then the fourth punishment will be the first and second place team will have to buy a vacation for the losing team

So there's one really bad one really good and then two and three we got to figure out they got to be kind of medium Punishments that can be interactive for the fans and then to decide which punishment we get we're gonna use the lotto system Yeah, kind of like there should be a lottery ball machine. It's not weighted like the NBA draft Yeah, so it's a higher percentage that you get punishments two and three than the punishment that's really just a vacation. Well, there'll be the same. That you get two or the vacation

or three or the vacation. It'll be 25%. Oh, it's gonna be 25% for each one. We can change it. Okay. Yeah, we can change that. I thought it was gonna be equal, equal. There's four punishments. What's the point of doing Mount Rushmore? Well, because you could have a really bad one or a

really good one. But if you come in dead last. You're getting, you're having to do the lottery ball no matter what. For 25, for, for no advantage? No, it's just you, you're getting selected something. So you have a one in four chance of going on vacation. You have a three and four chance of being punished. I think it should be weighted a little bit. So if it's not weighted, then I don't. Yeah. What's the point? Yeah. Well, it's weighted in the fact that three out of four are not good, but there's no incentive to do well in that rush for season. Well, yeah, you don't want to lose and go into the lottery. I think it should be like 10% chance you get the vacation. That's fine. But I agree with that too. That's fine. That's fine. But. But you understand what I'm saying. Even if you lose, you have to do the lottery

ball and three out of four sock. Yeah. So there is an incentive to not lose. There is but 25% are you just saying you're guaranteed to get vacation? Nevermind. Nevermind. What I just, yeah, I, I thought everyone was doing it. Oh no, no, no. I thought it was like, I thought just three teams were losing. We did throw around a different bunch of different ideas. No it's just a losing team is going to the lottery ball and yeah we can make the vacation 10 percent and the other ones 30 percent. Yeah I like that. Yeah I like that. Okay. So we're going to start Mount Rushmore season and by the way if you have a good Mount Rushmore if you have an idea for a good Mount Rushmore please tweet us send us an email. We'll do, we have a lot of topics we need to get through with a lot

of Mount Rushmore, which we'd love to do, but we're going to start with something that's very open-ended to give us a way to get into the flow. It's a Mount Rushmore of things that start with M. M. M. M. As in Moo as a move breaking moves, uh How are we do a draft order? I think we go lotto ball we go One team gets one through 25 zero through 25 one team gets 26 through 50 One team gets 51 through 75 the other team gets 76 through 100 and then whoever gets picked only three teams Yeah, that's right. Okay, 33. I was like, where are you going with this? 33. We split the lotto ball up

into into three teams. And then whoever gets that ball first pick clockwise from there. Yeah. Okay. So zero to 3333 to 66 zero in there. Sure. No, no, no. Beforehand, one to 33. Yeah, Sure, no no for him one to 33. Yeah, 30 33 34 to 66 Yeah, 60 seven to a hundred okay, all right, so who gets what three I? Don't want we didn't we don't want it. We'll take the middles. I don't care. Yeah, we'll take the Yeah, we'll take them so we have Zach we have 34 to 60. I got three discounts Agreed I can't do math. I feel like that's we have less numbers. What do you have 34 to 66. I feel like 67 to 100 has more numbers

but I that's just that's just a vibe thing. No I think I can't. Yeah I think I think you have one more number 33.3 percent. Yeah yeah yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever so you have to 99 okay fine And yeah deal 100 mean 100 we end the show forever Okay deal 100 means with this is the last part of my take literally the mic will cut out and that'll be it We'll never do another at least we won't do Mount Rushmore ever exact will just give us his Mount Rushmore I'm not rooting for a hundred Zach will just give us his Mount Rushmore. I'm not rooting for a hundred. I hope it's three.

Three counts for Hank. Fifty-five! Fifty-five! So you guys first. Do we get to decide if we want to go first? Sure. I think you guys just have to pick the order. Yeah, yeah, you give it. I think you guys just get to pick the order. Yeah. Yeah

Okay Mmm By the way Hank and I in lockstep. Oh, I love that. We got so we got so many times We got such a good thing going right now. We do exactly wanted to go first You know go first if you feel good about going first. I'm down to go first. Yeah, I feel good about going first. Let's ride. Fuck it. We'll go first, and then who's going second? You choose.

Oh. All right. Well, it's kind of, yeah, because they're sitting across from each other. We're sitting across from each other. Max and Memes can go second? Yes. Love that. You guys go third? Hank and I are in lock step. We're gonna change every day. It just keeps changing So does first go to second after the next show I?

Can't remember yeah, yes, I can't remember it all no second goes to first. Yeah, that's right. Yes We're a little rusty we're a little rusty ah Yeah, we're a little rusty. We're a little rusty. Uh Not us. Yeah, we're in lockstep. Uh, you guys keep saying you're in lockstep Go with our one one Zach you do the honors you think we go one one. I think we go one one three first pick we would like to elect Music we're taking all of music. It's a good pick.

All of music. Had that. Music is very important in life. Good pick. Love music. Zach and I, we both said music when we had our meeting, little twinkle in our eye. We were like, this might work out the two of us.

Zach, what's your favorite music? Favorite music, I like rap music, country music, and pop music. Favorite would have to be be depending on the day have Today I was doing more rap than country music today. Okay. Okay, so it's day today Yes with the change with the mood But I would like to say music predates language music is in everyone's hearts and souls and music is a great one one Wow

I felt good. I can't it's in everyone's There you go that I told Zach I was like hey how this works is like we're gonna make our pick We've got to give a little bit of like razzmatazz. Yeah, I didn't think he had that what about deaf people Zach What about all our deaf listeners out there? They can actually feel the like vibrations They sit down and like changes for them and shit. We can feel the beat. Yeah, I feel the base Okay, good pick you guys have the second pick. No, we have the second yes We are going to go money with a second materialistic. That's fine

Yep, money is the root of all these money everything. Yeah. Yeah, you guys hate money I'm just why don't you guys just get rid of all your money over there? Listen, if you guys don't if you're sorry We will take we will take the money are trying you guys like it Oh pfd are literally trying to one golf vacation at a time for Hank That's a fact. We said we signed the billionaire's pledge. Yep, if I ever become a billionaire, I will sign that pledge That's not a pledge. We had money on our list Yeah, but ours is pretty far down. There's so many more important things in life than so many It's sad that some people haven't figured that out yet.

Okay. PFC. 1-1, we are going to go with moms. Okay. Mothers. Mothers, most important thing in the world. None of us would be here without our moms. Shout out to my mom. Love you. Love you mom. And our second pick, we're going to go with March Madness good pick March Madness moms and March Madness

Yeah Hank I love her picks same. Okay Yeah, I had March Madness. I didn't like you like that. No, I did I absolutely had it some people are asking is big cat even like I would take madness I would take music before March Madness, but I have really nice up there. Okay. Yeah, not me my rush more. Yeah But I have really nice up there. Okay. Yeah, not me about rush more. Yeah, uh Every week of the year. Oh, yeah You're really tuned in you really you're really fucking we like it so much. We took it with our second pick Yeah, uh, all right, you guys are up

Means you got this one. What is he gonna take meatballs? I thought pre meeting I said that I was like he's gonna take meatballs. We're gonna go with movies We had that every movie, okay, okay Zack That was our second pick overall Zack What are we thinking here? I think I think I like to go. I'd like to go seven. I Like to go seven sevens a great pick. Yeah, and then I think we hit him with the Okie Doke and maybe go with our four.

Two hitters. Yeah, you wanna say him? After you sir. All right, I'll start. Our next pick is going to be meat. All meat. Good pick. Meat, meat.

We had meat. Yup, steak, chicken, pork pork whatever you want meat you need me Zack go ahead caveman fact We don't have a caveman fact yeah all the meats does yeah, and then uh we'd also like to take milfs yeah Yeah, but we specifically would like milfs like hot we okay we had milfs on our board I thought I we didn't want to go there after moms was picked, but that's fine. Yeah, well, I mean That's fine. That's fine In the name, yeah, I understand but it's well it could be man. I love football. Yeah, which is it? It's not

It's a mom. You just said Yeah, you're excluding my mom doctor, yeah including all the fictitious mills as well. Yes So great point all the fictitious mills can't be on it can't be on there with me Because you didn't take you get every fictitious We didn't take it because they said mom, but it's mothers. I'd like to fuck what's the first word? What's the first word? What's the first word? What's the first word? What's the first word? You said that? You took mothers. You guys are really going to take this away right away. I think that's I think you can't have mom. We took a genre of music like rock music. Okay. Well that

starts the R. That's a good point. That's no bunk. Listen, listen, this room has just gotten blocked. Chaotic without a you know what? Where's something else? Where's Pug? We'll pick some mouse. After that, after Max did his little crybaby shit. Uh, okay. Back to the drawing board. That was bullshit. I would've, I would've said that. I appreciate that PFT. I think you realize there's a difference between moms and milfs. What's what? Can you explain to me a milf? Uh, yeah. Yeah. What's the first word? I'd like to first walk. Yeah, that's what I thought. Yeah. Yeah. What I'd like to fuck one. Yeah, that's what yeah, yeah what I'd like to fuck. Oh, so so moms and mills are the same you have a milf What what your your your mom is a mill? This is well, you just fucking said to the side

It is a It is a genre. Oh mom not not every not every milf out there is Is a mom that's not true not every yes fictitious milfs are not always mom They're fictitious moms there, but they're not They're fictitious Hank. I'd like to have you put this on the bonk list for big cat. That's fine He had memes on our team. You don't think that we wanted to take milk You should have taken milk memes is an under undercover horny guy. This is way too early for this to be this contentious I would like to see that was don't take a pick that somebody else already took

The Oxford's language dictionary defines a milf as a sexually attractive woman who has children or is early middle-aged. Oh It's just my definition that is by definition. That's so there's a lot of milfs there that are not technically moms. I Your argument falls apart there because I because every milf is a mother no, but there's no the name Porn there's a lot of yeah, okay, so they're they're they're milked their fictitious moms their milfs and they're Zach Which are you saying so officially you say that you don't want this pic. I mean it already got taken off Yeah, I know, but you I said I would have something I said that I would have stand for something Yeah, I would have allowed it so max is the one that max is a bad guy. Not me up fine

I'm happy to be it all right, Zach. What do we do now? For the record that was an awesome pick it was a great pick and max is just mad because he didn't pick it and I would Have fought for him. It was it was like our first pick and then I got nervous To be fair max got nervous so I got nervous Okay, all right, so meat meat is in is that you got problem with that no problem Yeah, meet me clears meet me please. Okay meet please Zack I don't know what to do now. They fucked us do we could go. Mmm. You guys just we could go ten No, that's duplicate, Zach.

Well, let's take meatballs right now. Let's get back into the argument. You got meat and meatballs? All right. We are going to go with milkshakes Good milkshakes cream team. Yeah, that feels good strong pink. Yeah, okay We're gonna go with Michael Jordan We had Michael Jordan on the list we had him on our list too

Right so we get to We get to Hank we can do this. I I'm on my own list too. Right, so we get two? We get two. Hank, we can do this. I love where we're at. I'm gonna do the last one. Whatever you wanna do. And then what else do we want on there? We'll do that one last.

We'll do that one last. Good call. We're gonna go with mouth stuff. So, mouth stuff. This is a PFD pick. Mouth stuff. This is a PFD pick. It's a good pick. We're gonna go with mouth stuff It's a good pick. It's a good pick. You know you like mouth stuff. Are you know that stuff's great? Are you sucking dick to get well getting it? Yeah? Well? I mean what about? Giving it given in my stuff. Yeah, no, it's good given taking mouth stuff mouth. You're root canals. Oh No, that's good given taking mouth stuff now. You're Rue canals. Oh It's a great boy eating Rue canals suck eating counts as mouth stuff. Yep getting fish out getting fish

kissing yep Mouth stuff and then our last pick mr. Brightside coming on after 10 beers Okay That's okay That sounds like that's a bad pick. So I'm going to allow it sounds like music. But how is that any different. It is. It's the same. It's the same. You guys just made it against us with milk but I wanted to know. But I want you want him to take that pick. There's a difference. He's right though. It is. No no no. It's a pick stance. But it's a no. Well hey hey I just wanted to show the hypocrisy in this. Well no we will. Yes. It's a difference. He's right though. It is The pick stance, but it's no well hey, I just wanted to show the hypocrisy in this well. No we

Can't allow that and no I don't know I'm fine with the pick but No, no the picks it yeah picks that you all right You're arguing against your own pick. I'm not no I'm not I'm more just like you can't be the decider on what goes and based off. It's a good pick or not That is hypocrisy. I know I just take Take it off. Take it. I want it. You want to take it off? Yeah, let's take it off the same thing. It's not how it's the exact same. Yeah, no, no No, here's why it's different because no, it's not because milk has the word mother. Okay, and mr. Brightside is a

It's a song. Oh, yes. It's music. It's music. We took music. So if somebody takes music, you can't take anything that makes a musical sound. Correct. We took music. I disagree.

You guys took mothers, I couldn't take milfs. We took music, we couldn't take a song. That's because the M in milf stands for mother, literally. But it's a song, it's music. It's the same argument. This is a reach. That's a reach. That is literally the exact same a song it's music it's the same this is a reach that that is it is literally that's exactly the same argument it's literally not that's not the same thing at all and those don't have to have kids yes thank you Zach sorry we still

have a great list you guys can keep this I have no problem with it because Max should I I don't want an asterisk because no there's no there's zero asterisk because we have a winning board right now there's zero asterisk so I'm gonna take it off because I don't want an asterisk cuz no there's no way there's zero asterisk is we got a winning board right now There's zero asterisk, so I'm gonna take it off cuz I don't want the asterisk Okay, you guys fought it you know I I didn't I was just saying it's very funny because it's basically the same thing you Went it feels good. I just want to say this feels good. No you guys fought it just so we'll switch it up We'll go Mexican food. Okay. It's good one good pick. Yeah, good pick deep board never a doubt. Mm-hmm. Yeah lockstep We're gonna take McDonald's mmm. We had it on there good pick good pick a lot of meat McDonald's

McDonald's sounds like mouth stuff. Yeah. Mm-mm-mm. I'm sucking it. I'm sucking it. Zach. We gotta make the final pick. You feel strongly about anything in the other category right now?

The other category is tricky. The other category is tricky. We got another category. Yeah, we have it. Well, we we we we tiered it because we were all over the place in our discussion. I have some funny, funny ideas that Zach throughout there that I was just like, what are you talking about? I think 14 is what we just go with. Just cover it all. Let 14 rip. That's a great. Yeah, yeah. Say it. It's solid. Yeah.

We're going to go with magic. Magic. We're going to go with magic. Just covers everything. Yeah, no, Zach, when you sat down, I think one of the first things he said to me was math. He's like math is the building blocks for every day. You guys. I hate math. You would add two universal languages. Yeah. Uh, maybe you rip our honorable mentions. Do you want to hear? Yeah. Here's, here's Zach's and then we can go all honorable mentions. He, we, we thought about taking men. Uh, but then we were like, well what happens if like, you know, they throw out Hitler and Jeffrey Epstein,

so that becomes a, you know, all men. And then so, at one point Zach told me, he's like, we should take males. And then he also said we should take mail. Like, letter mails. Yeah. I was like, okay. We use mail all the time. Yes, yeah. Not really. Text message, email, the stuff you get. Yeah. Yeah. I was like, okay. We use mail all the time.

Yes, yeah. Not really. Text message, email, physical mail, letters. Yeah. Yeah. Sweepstakes. Sweepstakes. Zach also wanted to, he threw out their,

Matt Damon and Ben Affleck as a duo. Okay. It's a great duo. Mild Wings. That would've been bad pick. Bad pick. I told him, I was like, that's a bad pick. Good pick for him.

I like where your heart's at. Yeah. We were workshop. Yeah, we were workshopping Michelin star restaurants Okay, not really for me. And then what was the other one? Oh, you had Miss Universe, which wasn't a bad pick. Mm-hmm Yeah, Jordan. All right. So what do we got for honorable mentions? Hank you wanna say ours This one probably got contentious the Masters Oh Why is this done? We didn't know Hank you wanna say ours? This one probably would have got contentious, the Masters. Oh why? Cause it's dumb. We didn't know. Oh.

Somebody would have fought over that. I would not have fought over that. Max would have fought over that pick. Masters is a very good pick. Yeah, Masters is a good pick. Me and PFT, we're both in agreement on this, but it's divisive in today's day and age. Mint chocolate chip ice cream. I like mint chocolate chip ice cream.

Love mint chocolate chip ice cream. I love it. Yep. Yep. Marriage. Yep. Mixed drinks. Yep. Millennium Falcon. Margaritas. Margaritas. Oh that's a good one. Marijuana. Yep. Oh good one. Missed marijuana. Well we had marijuana. Yeah. Beans. You wrote Massachusetts. Yeah, that's just trying to guess my boy I got did anyone think about masturbation because we tossed around and we did not have that no That's how could I did it a little to each other and they were like now. This is a mess Cranking off. Yeah mini golf

Yeah, how'd you forget that Hank? It's not wow you don't really know many are not really okay, okay, do you think making out would have been better than mouse stuff? No, no, yes. Yeah, probably. No my stuff is a great pick middle linebackers Kind of kind of a throwback. You know see it will Compton so yeah, oh Zach had a great one Zach throw yours out there number 13 on our list you thought of this one. Oh had a great one Zach throw yours out there number 13 on our list you thought of this one oh a microwave yeah yeah microwave needed for everything that's a good one Mike your old time yeah we had motorcycles he got into his own head though he was like but then they could say air fryers better I was like that's

a good point you're thinking to yes he is he's got some chess chess moves going we had mac and cheese yeah mashed. Mashed potatoes. Yeah. Mr. Brightside coming on after 10 beers. Yeah. Muhammad Ali. Yep. Good pick. Messi. Messi.

Messi is a good pick. Yeah, I missed that. Maradona. Yep. We had Miracle on Ice. Oh. That's a good one. Mobile phone.

Mm-hmm. Michael Jackson's music. What do you guys think about military? Every military kind of cool Isis badass you know you also get Isis you guys picks are like based off what? Society needs to function. Yeah, we actually had very deep we tossed around machinery Thinking about just taking every machine ever Now do you know? One shout out Mountain Dew love that Mids you know one. Shout out Mountain Dew. Love that. Mids. You know sometimes you don't want to get too high. You're trying to hang out with the boys.

Now you're speaking my language. Matching. Matching. Good one. Fuck. Hank put Moneyball. Moneyball. The book and movie that they did where they just forgot to tell everyone that they had like three of the best starters ever yep oops This is how you build the team off of guys that are cast offs and they get a lot of walks Oh, yeah, also you need incredible starting pitch also the Guelta hot yeah We have the league MVP in the Guelta Hata we have Tim Hudson Mark Mulder and Barry Zita Yeah, but let's talk about Euclid's how he walks. Yeah, he's got a bad body, but he walks this guy walks Figured it out.

OK, any other ones? We had MLB. MLB's a good one. Mickey Mouse. Mozzarella sticks. Mickey Manil. Mickey Manil. That's just a good double M.

Marilyn Monroe. Yeah. Miley Cyrus. Meatballs, obviously. Meatballs. I thought you were going to take meatballs. I thought this whole draft was because so you could take me. I know I said it to memes I just said dot dot dot meatballs dot dot dot and then we just decided that there There's too many there. M is a heavy hitters. There's some really really good good options out there mushrooms

Yeah, yeah, I like normal mushroom I like yeah those are sauteed mushrooms as well Zach did you have any others that were on the chopping I've got a misdemeanors just like a little bit of trouble that's actually a good thing you can spin being like just a tiny bit of trouble. Yeah, it'll get expunged. Yeah, I've also got a I've got a Melidia bentz in the coffee filter on if you guys like caffeine, but or coffee, but probably not inventors Did you know that all for it?

Researching when we were doing our powwow. Did you throw no bad ideas? Did you throw Mia Khal I was researching. When we were doing our powwow, did you throw out? No bad ideas. Did you throw out Mia Khalifa at one point? I did. I did throw out Mia Khalifa. I started Megan Fox and then I went Mila Kunis. And then I went, I was like, a little hotter and then I went Mia Khalifa. Yeah. My list got a little horny, but I cleaned it up. Cleaned it up.

All right. No, also, hornyer the better came out in Rushmore. Yeah, that's true. Horny does play on the graphic. Yeah. Yeah, the people I also horny or the better. Yeah, Mount Rushmore. Yes, sure Or he does play on the graphic. Yeah. Yeah, the people like the horny Okay, uh, let's get to our interviews. You got Ryan Russell and then NBA champ Isaiah Hartenstein before we get to Rossella He's brought to you by NASCAR There's nothing like seeing NASCAR roar through the streets of downtown Chicago a race experience unlike any other Catch the stars of NASCAR as they take on a one of a kind street course surrounded by

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We're gonna talk some draft. We're gonna do little NBA finals cleanup. Ry Guy, that game seven was a bummer. Is it, does it feel, let's start here. Does it feel like the Thunder got a little bit robbed of their moment because of Hal Burton's injury? Cause I felt, I woke up on Monday morning, I was like, well that kinda sucked for the Thunder.

I know they don't care, but still, the big conversation coming out of game seven was like, what if Halliburton doesn't get hurt? Yeah, that's all fair, but I really think this is one where we're at our worst talking about this stuff, like the next 24, 48 hours, it happens at the Super Bowl all the time. Now, you're really good about it, PFT. We actually brought that up last night.

Zach Low mentioned that. But it's just so hard to win a championship. It's so hard. And the way we treat some of these guys at the very top of the game without a championship, and some of it's on them and some of it's just circumstance. So whenever a team wins, I'm not really necessarily in a hurry to try to figure out all the ways that it's just circumstance. So whenever a team wins, I'm not really necessarily in a hurry to try to figure out all the ways that it's not as valuable as other championships. Because I was thinking about this the other day and this is already some real spiritual thought stuff, but we're not impressed by anything anymore. And I was looking at some stand-up comedian was doing this whole bit about this game called Crossfire. And they ran the whole ad and it was this game

where like ball bearings, you're just shooting them at the other guy. And if these fidget spinners, and if you had enough like went over to him, then it was like you won the game, all right? And the thing probably broke, it probably sucked, probably not great. But like, I just remember

being a kid thinking, holy shit, my life is gonna suck if I don't have that. Now maybe that's marketing, maybe that's just being young and being super impressionable, but now I feel like we've seen so much stuff, okay? There's so much stuff that happens just on any given day that we're really difficult to be impressed by anything. And it's actually, I kind of missed

being impressed by things. And now it's, I don't even know if that's real, right? Is that really a dog scuba diving? Who knows? Oh, I saw that video. Yep. I saw that video. And immediately you were like fake, which I appreciate. Cause like now I don't have to cross reference this whole thing. So when a team wins a championship, I think it's really really hard I understand what you guys are saying because it's like alright He goes down the crazy thing is I thought in the first half. Okay, see was more affected Negatively than the Pacers were because it was almost like the Thunder just sleepwalking through the game expected to win expected win at Home their best player is out and it took them

I don't know like another 45 minutes to an hour to wake up and then put together that great third quarter. So I, my default position is usually like, let's remind ourselves how hard it is to do this and how much we beat up on the people and teams that never get here. Yeah. And I, I agree a hundred percent, like the thunder, uh, incredible season wire to wire. Uh, Shay had maybe the best season, like when you stack it all up, like one of the top 10 seasons if you want to call it All time they're so good I was more it was more like I was so geared up for a game seven that it wasn't taking away from the others like man I really wish that game had seen Tyrese Halliburton in the end. Let's do a real quick though. What what impresses you in sports right now? Let's do this the spin zone me Savannah bananas. How do they keep doing it? Who's their choreographer? Paula Abdul? Oh no. Our guy Cal Raleigh impresses me. He was

here. The fact he's got 31 home runs as a catcher. That's like, I think if he gets 60 home runs, it's going to be like, holy shit. Huge ass big ass. Yeah Baseball player ass. Yeah, those are like they know even like for a baseball player. It's it's out there Yeah, okay, but look your guys Sammy su sir He is back in the good graces of the city of Chicago Perhaps long overdue right? Mm-hmm I was thinking about him because it was like news right and they're welcoming back first time in 21 years When I first started ESPN, we were cutting into his home runs still.

And that was like a normal programming thing. And then I think wherever he was getting close to 600, like somebody that was still kind of manning the decisions on the weekend department was like, hey, we're gonna make sure we go live. And all the hosts were like, why? Like no one gives a shit anymore. And especially like post all of the steroid stuff that baseball went through in

the late nineties, early two thousands, like no one cared. And yet you mentioned anybody now chasing 60 home runs. And again, it went decades before we had seen it until the late nineties. Um, so maybe it's a simple math thing with baseball, but I think generally like we're not impressed with much. You want to know what I'm impressed with today? I'll tell you a story. Okay.

I was ready to attack this week. I was so fired up. Wanted to actually do this podcast from the boat, but the charts just told me it was probably not a great decision. And safety's the first thing you're thinking about. Number one. Not women.

Yeah, not women with a boat. So I went to the gym, because right now is my Tuesday. I got after this Monday so hard, so fucking hard to start the day. Prepped, bunch of stuff, errands, phone calls, adult stuff. And then Matt Liner was at the gym.

I went really early. He's a dad, so I'm sure he wanted to get out of the house. And he's got this buddy who's jacked. And I was doing shoulders. And then he put on 365 and was like, Roussillo, you want in on this? And I had to say no, because I can't do it. And it was like, I'm not used to that happening to me there.

And he just alpha the fuck out of me. And then I watched him, because really, I would come up with a clothing line that says, focus on your own reps. But I had to sneak a peek, like being in the urinal. I had to look, and it was just filthy. That impressed me today, and I knew it was real. That's huge.

That's huge. I'm impressed by you saying no, safety first. The old Ryan would have been like, fuck it, I'll put that up. You would have tried. No, I know my limits. That's a little north of me. So what impresses you right now in the NBA? Things you actually like?

Sam Presti? Yeah, incredible story. I mean, the fact that he's been this good for this long and then finally gets his championship and what? He's 47 years old. Like that's, he's got so much in front of him and he's got a shit load of picks. Yeah, Carcar Cotterle shot out. I love that he now officially in the way we like talk about players and coaches and stuff, it's like, well, if he was that good.

And everybody that knew about what this guy is doing and how he was just a step ahead of everybody, everybody knew he was probably the best guy doing it. But now it's official, like we get to say it. it. For me, who finds some of this stuff stupid, I'm glad we can eliminate that stupid part of it because he's been incredible. When you think about the draft, the SGA thing works out beyond anybody's even belief in SGA. It's amazing how many times in life you're faced with this really difficult challenge where Paul George wants out and it's the best thing that can ever happen to the Thunder because the

Clippers are willing to do anything to guarantee that they're also getting Kawhi, which you revisit that one. No one had a problem with that at the time. Then you nail the Chet and Jaylen Williams pick in the same draft. Then within two years, even though Chet was up and down in the finals, he was great defensively last night, Jaylen Williams I still think will be a probably more consistent offensive player. Then to build this all out, it's like, okay, what was the problem last year? All right, well, let's get Giddy out of here because nobody wants to defend him in the playoffs. Let's bring in a spacing demon on defense in Caruso. He hires Dagnall. He's got dispersed background stuff. He is a special, special person as far as it comes to building a roster.

And I'm just glad he can now officially get a ring where, imagine if you told Thunder fans, like in 2012, with that group that lost in five games to Miami Heat with Durant, with Surge, with Harden, with Westbrook, and you're like, actually this is the best it's ever going to get. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I like that. So it's good to have something that we're actually positive about. What if we did the opposite though? And we said, how, how disappointing

would this have been for the thunder if they had lost? Yeah. If they had lost it, like, like Halliburton gets injured, Pacers up at halftime, Pacers close it out. How disappointed are you in the Oklahoma city thunder? Very. Yeah. Cause I don't. Yeah. Worst loss ever. Presti overrated. How about bringing somebody into some emotion? Yeah. Come on man. You had the opportunity to make a move. You know what? Not to go all ESPN on you. Presti needs to step up. Yeah. Look, I mean you want to do a draft of the guys on TV that would spend this week being like, here's the 10 guys I would take over Preston right now.

So look, the funniest thing, like I wrote this down last night when we did the Bill and Zach thing. OKC during the playoffs, their rebounding rate was 11th out of 16 teams. Defensive rebounding rate was even worse than that. Their assist ratio was 11th. Three point shooting, they were 13th or 14th out of 16 teams. The defensive rebounding rate was even worse than that. Their assist ratio was 11th. Three point shooting, they were 13th or 14th out of 16 teams. They fouled at the third highest rate. They had, I think, nine games at like 31, 30% or under from three point range, and they went five and four in those nine games. This team to do this, to win a title with some of those things. That's like I thought you guys could shoot

Like what the hell's going on their defense was actually that special so I Would have probably gone in maybe need a little bit more shooting or shooters that can show up Shooters that can show up on the road because that's what the Pacers are doing They're just like we can find game six Everybody stays with SGA cheat off of everybody else. Stop SGA hope he doesn't pass. And we don't think any of those guys are going to make enough shots. And that's exactly what happened in game six. They hoped it would happen in game seven SGA just as he passed better. But it was funny because PFT, I was thinking like, if they lose this,

you love this roster. You love Presti. You love what they've done, but then you're going to do an off season to do list for team that 168 games and then the highest point differential ever. Yeah. Just the fact that they shot that bad is I saw someone talking about it today. And I don't know if you know the inner workings of the Oklahoma City Thunder better than we do. But they said they have an analytics department that basically like two of their big things are trying to figure out the trends in where the league's going in terms of like what's valuable, what's not. And then also just trying to figure out who's going to suck in four years and then getting their picks. And I was like, I read that. I was like, well, that's genius. Why aren't more teams doing that? Just like, let's just collect the picks for the teams that we expect to suck soon and they'll be very good assets.

Yeah, I know that, you know, they seem to really, they're incredibly private, first of all, like the most private probably group ever. I, you know, I've joked that I've seen Presti at the combine, you know, again, when I used to do it, I don't, I don't know that it happens now, but like he wouldn't even stand near anybody else. Like normally this is a pretty social event. Just because you're sitting there, someone doesn't mean to be like, hey, I actually really want to trade this player. He wouldn't even stand near anybody else.

Woj introduced us years ago, about the same age, both from mass, some similar interests. I was like, hey, what's going on? It was like, no way. You asked me a basketball question, you dick. And I was like, all right, lesson learned on this one. But I do think that there's a lot of truth, Big Cat, into what you said. I mean, if we sat around for half an hour

and tried to predict which team's picks are gonna be more valuable moving forward, we could probably come up with a little bit of a list here. It could be perhaps a little overstated, but there's also something to be said that he was on the competition committee, Presti, I believe. And he knew once they were putting in some of the second apron stuff that it was going to mean way more to just be able to draft

replacements for guys that got more expensive. Because we kept waiting around going, when are they going to package these picks? When are they going to pack? And if they had lost, if they had blown game seven, you know, maybe they don't get to the NBA finals, say, then you're going to be like, does this mean they give like the Godfather offer to the bucks for Yanis just going like, Hey, this is how we have to do it. That's how the NBA is operated in the past.

And I remember somebody explaining to me, like, it's going to be a bit more like continuing to flip the picks forward so that you always have that flexibility and then drafting potentially like a replacement for somebody who goes north of 20 million who's your fourth or fifth option. That may be the strategy more so than like, hey, when are you going to trade all those picks? Because if they had lost, can you imagine? It's like, hey, cool picks. And yet they're still a really good team had they had you know blown game seven

Yeah Mm-hmm So we wanted to do just an hour and a half with you about Kevin Durant and what this means for his legacy that he goes So the Houston Rockets could cut that down to 45 minutes if you'd like But from your perspective how how does this fit work because we're watching the NBA finals yesterday and the Kevin Durant news breaks over the weekend and it feels like a lot of people were just spending time analyzing that trade instead of appreciating a game seven in the NBA finals that we have right now but looking ahead you think that the Rockets got a whole lot better you think is good fit yeah I think it's great fit

for him Minnesota was my favorite fit for him just because I still think he could have gone to Minnesota and kind of draft off the attention of Anthony Edwards, where at this stage, if you're asking Durant, who's gonna turn 37 in September, to come in and fix you, I don't know if he's that guy. I mean, he wasn't that guy in Phoenix. It looked like he was flirting

with being that guy in Brooklyn, but then he soured there. So if you go back to that Houston series, like Houston was the two seed and they had the weirdest like stat clutch stuff where they had all of these clutch wins, but their clutch offense still sucked. It was really weird. Now, we know they're a really good defensive team, but you look at that kind of thing and

you're like, is that something that's going to bite you in the ass the last five minutes of a tight playoff game? Because you don't really feel great about who your number one scoring option is. And they would have loved for it to mend Jalen Green. He's given four years of rope here, high usage rate, like just go out there. And even though Jalen Green certainly has his moments because he's a really talented player, he was not that guy against Golden State. And I don't want to completely like write him off as a player because of a bad series

and his first playoff taste, but it just wasn't very good. Then you've got Van Vliet like scrambling around and he put up some huge numbers against Golden State, but you could just see they need something else on the wing that they can really depend on. Considering they don't have to trade Jabari, they don't have to trade Tari, a men's a non-starter, there's no Reed Shepard in the deal. And they, I think, got rid of the less favorable pick. So I love the trade for Houston. Their GM Stone is on an absolute heater now. I mean, every single move this guy makes, it seems like usually you're just gonna get one wrong

because of the way sports work. So they didn't pay a ton. They're obviously probably gonna have to extend him. I think Durant's happier in Houston than some of the other options. So the thing I did like about Minnesota is that he could probably allow Ant to still be the focal point of all of the attention where in Houston a lot is gonna be expected of him

But he's desperately what they needed on offense like go get us those closing playoff moment buckets See, I have the opposite take. I think Phoenix got a whole lot better I love what they're building down at Phoenix the whole thing. I love that. They got the big four is what they're calling it. I think Bradley Beal is poised for a breakout season. Yeah. Where? It's got to be in Phoenix. It's got to be in Phoenix.

Is that the worst no trade clause ever given to a player? We said yesterday that his name has now become Bradley Beal's no trade clause. Because anytime you say his name, it's always in that context. Is that the worst no trade clause ever given out? Yeah, I mean, it's got to be. I mean, because he's just so checked out. He's totally, I think the scary thing about him is that, you know, I think anybody you think like if you're this good, then there has to be some competitive pride in you. And he may have the least. There may be the biggest gap between just talent and how much he doesn't care

Yeah, like they tried to bench him and bring him off the bench like hoping hey if we make this really ugly Will he actually say I want out of here and then I had heard is like now he just loves Phoenix a lot of guys Love the Phoenix area. He loves him. He might love his life. He might actually be the happiest guy in the NBA Every player something. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, he might be the happiest guy in the NBA. Yeah. Talk about like every player. I think you're onto something. Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. He might be the happiest dude. Yeah. Do you subscribe to my theory that my ishbia was like, we know we're not going to get a lot for Kevin Durant, but if you just like make the second round picks five of them, everyone's going to look at the tweet and be like, Holy shit, that's a lot of picks. I just see hinky stuff. The sub stack. He was like, this is great. Look at all these

second rounders. Yeah, I'm kidding. It was like you see five second round picture. Like, oh man, that's a lot of picks. Then you're like, wait a second, their second round picks. This means nothing. He should have asked for like 15. There was a stretch where it felt like so many writers just love second round picks. You're like, look at all the flexibility. You're like, look at the historical data of like how often these guys, you know, learn China buddy. Speaking of though, Dylan Brooks, who again was like that guy got 80 million after people were laughing about him being out of the league and he deserves the contract that he got. And he actually matters because he's got some edge to him. Theory, working theory, they brought in Dylan Brooks just to match

up against Beal in practice. Oh To piss him off that dog back in him reignite the fire. Yeah or ask out or ask out I can't deal with this guy. Good point Yeah, that's actually I like that theory a lot to make like if you if you can't force the guy to be traded Just make him hate his job so much that he's gonna play anywhere else Yeah, like they signed like hey, we just signed Thanasis and he's going to shadow you on the court and off the court. Yeah. It feels just like I'm not going to I can't I can't do this. All right. Now you've got me.

I want to go back to the Wizards where I'm comfortable. Well, I actually think that there is some truth to the fact that playing for the Wizards organization. Historically, it will suck the life out of your desire to be great at basketball. It just will. You're going to end up not caring as soon as you get through like one season there. So you're telling me you're selling your Alex Sarr and Bob Carrington stock? No, I like Bob. I like Bob a lot. And I was almost a diehard Wizards fan for the NBA draft

lottery. If it looked like about cool, a Bolly, if we're going to get Cooper flag, I was in, but now and maybe we can transition into NBA draft talk a little bit Now I'm thinking ace Bailey might be the perfect fit. He wants to go somewhere He's the guy where he killer bees the superstar Maybe maybe the Wizards might be the perfect fix so tell it tell us what's going on with the ace Bailey and why is he? dropped so much in this draft I Think the NBA draft the players are a lot like a movie that you hear about ahead of time. Like draft day? Right. And I'm Yeah, it's a good comp. Yeah. Costner's best movie.

Yeah, I'd say easily. If that I always say if that movie didn't have the licensing for the official NFL logos, it might be the worst movie of all time. But because they had like Cleveland Brown Jacksonville Jaguars, I'm watching and I'm like I'm pretty much watching football right now This is awesome. Yeah, they do the flyover the stadiums like dude this rocks football You would I don't know if you understand the references. We just did as we're football guys. Yeah. Yeah No, I saw you guys you were like, oh my god, so many weekends before college football. I'm losing my mind It's like you guys know I'm like some people like football you guys really like football It's so cool See you're getting a little too snarky like you I can tell you don't actually really love You would have made that joke if you really loved it. I don't like it as much as you guys do that's for sure Forget that yeah

I've never questioned it. All right, so yeah. So Ace Bailey, why is he going from being like second or third pick to now we're thinking he might be fifth, sixth? Glad you asked, PFT. This is the movie thing that like, there ever been a movie in your life where like this movie sucks and you're like, what?

Does it, it's terrible? And you go in thinking everybody that you're like, this movie sucks. And you're like, what, does it, it's terrible? And you go in thinking, everybody that you know, even if a couple people that you trust, I mean, there's some people that we're friends with who are like, if you don't like something, then I know I will like it. Ace Bailey feels like this movie that, and I'm late to it.

I've explained to you guys, and just to remind the audience, like, I can't do the draft stuff year round. I love it, it's my favorite week of the year. So I get crash course into all this stuff and watch as much as I can and go to the combine and all that kind of stuff. So, you know, you just heard so many people trashing him that I went into the theater going like,

this guy's gonna suck. He's good. He is. I think the conversation around him was Sharif Cooper's dad repping him and you know, this being a bit abnormal where a lot of teams are really pissed about the way they're treating this process.

And who's to know? Are they trying to navigate this thing to get Bailey from three to say six because they feel like there's a ton of shots and ton of points and traditional counting stats for him so that when he's extended in four years, he's gonna make back all the money that he loses, dropping a few slots.

Brooklyn would be significant from going three to eight. But when you watch him, sure, we can go over the bad stuff. There's plenty of shots. You're like, what the hell were you doing there? I think I saw one game where he had two shots where his heels were on the three-point line. There's times where, one play I saw him, just three guys are right in his face

and he's in the triple threat and he like wants to Drive he wants to drive and you're like, well, you're not gonna drive. There's nowhere to go. There's nowhere to go right now It's like yeah, I'm gonna drive but I watched the Bama game from November this morning and There's just a lot of stuff this guy can do at six foot eight. That's really impressive and it's not like he's just a six foot eight project Right. This isn't like salon who goes last year in the top 10. This is somebody that the high end shot making is really impressive. It's not necessarily like Trey Johnson, Texas, who could go ahead of him. But I feel like all of the conversation around ACE and the Rutgers season being a

disaster and Harper clearly being the number two guys, that means Aceson is as good. Like I'm not telling you he's perfect, it seemed like he didn't love playing off the ball as much as he had to because Harper was just so good. And the more and more you watch Harper, you're just like, all right, I totally get it. Like he's got all this NBA scoring stuff down already

to the high pick and roll. But I feel like Ace has become far more damaged, probably because of the handling of this. And apparently, unless there's a secret workout being the only American prospect that hasn't worked out or shown up to visit with anybody, which is just unheard of. So why is he doing that? Has his camp made any statements about it? This is why we're approaching the draft in this way.

I know it's weird, but here's our strategy. Yeah, I think because Philly landing the number three pick is weird. We can all sit here and say, well, they needed trade it because of the timeline and what they're facing. Granted, if you're a Sixers fan right now, you should probably feel much better about your place in the East considering all the guys that are going down and the injuries that we've had throughout the playoffs. You include Dame too at the end.

You look at Ace Bailey or even a VJ and you're like, how does this guy play for a Sixers team? The way he plays probably because one of the Sixers guys are going to get hurt, so you throw him out there anyway. I just can't imagine Nick Nurse trusting a ton of possessions with Ace Bailey, where if he's on Brooklyn and there's no one else, and you're like, okay, that's buckets. New Orleans, Trey Murphy's still a preferred option over Ace Bailey at this point. There just seems like there's more room for him for touches where it feels like the camp was afraid

that if he ended up in Charlotte with Lamello and Miller already there, Utah should be plenty of room, but there's a ton of guys that they've drafted and a lot of on-the-ball guards like maybe they're simply looking at this is the vacancy of Of other people that would get in his way And that has to be the reason behind it because it doesn't really make a lot of sense of why you try to be going Fifth or eighth instead of third. Yeah

Alright the Duke guys All right, the Duke guys Moloch Cooper flag Concernable, they're gonna go what like all three of them maybe go by what seven eight? What's the ceiling for all these guys? And is it high enough that they could go down as like the how did they not win a championship team? Cuz that's all I'm rooting for like I watched the you believe that When it all that's all I'm rooting for. Like, can you believe that? They can win it all? That's crazy.

You want to hear something funny is I watched the Houston game again and I took a picture of when they had the ball up what 67-61 with 58 seconds left, 57 seconds left. And I'm like, and we already know the outcome because we all watched the game. And even when I was rewatching it months later, I'm thinking they lost this. Yeah it was awesome. I I almost like posted the picture and said they lost this game and then we had John Shire confirmed for like two days later and I was like I can't I can't do that. Smart Shire. Yeah. They did lose that game. They did lose that game. But how good are these guys like. I think they're all really really good. Obviously we know Cooper flag and conk nipples like he's he's gonna be very good pro and my walk

His size is like he kind of fits that new NBA where he could run with anyone and he can protect the rim So is it are all three of these guys like no doubt. Hey, you're gonna get a really good player out of them. I Like all three guys a lot. I think Cooper Flagg, the Jesus comp seem a little outrageous, maybe Tom Chambers, not Jesus, no. Like Cooper, the only thing that you would say, and I asked Shire this, and of course, like he was gonna say, the other stuff that this guy did in practice,

like don't even worry about it, is you go, okay, if you're taking somebody number one and he's supposed to be the face of a franchise in four or five years, that also means that he's the number one scoring option likely. Granted, there are some players that are a little bit more unique, but is he going to have that kind of offensive game? I think the people that are around him, whether it was high school and this year at Duke, they're like, he could do more of that stuff if he wanted to, but he actually is like a really willing teammate and passer and speaks to all the other guys that he want to get involved. So every time you watch Cooper, like the biggest thing too, it's not just the size, the athleticism,

his anticipation, the defense. I mean, it just his passing, all this stuff is that he's a real competitor. It's not a joke. He's not telling you that he wants to win. He is expressing to you the urgency with which he plays basketball how bad he wants to win. It's hard to not just pay attention to him when you've just watched a Duke game. Then I went back and did the Kniepel tape and I thought, oh yeah, he'll probably be in that five to eight range or something like that because he's big.

He scored a lot, scored even more in high school, he had to defer a little bit. I'll tell you, after really digging into him, I am so incredibly impressed with the way this guy sees the game. His off ball cutting, how he's setting up defenders off the ball, the best way I could describe him is that

if you have Kniepel on your team and then you just pick whoever the other four are, he would look at who the other four guys are, figure out what they needed and then he would play. He would adapt his game at who the other four guys are, figure out what they needed, and then he would play. He would adapt his game to who the other four guys that he was sharing the floor with. And he showed that when flag was out, he showed it with flag was obviously in. And he is so smart, like VJ's got probably more motherfucker in him. Trey Johnson makes the most like NBA impressive level shots.

But I think Kniepel's approach to the game is the thing that's the most impressive from him. So I don't know if that's enough for him to go ahead of Vijay and go number three, but it seems impossible that he would go outside of three, four and five. And then Malawatch, he hasn't played the game for a really long time. And as much as it feels like he's just this incredible lob threat, two things really stood out. He had a switch in a college game where the point guard hadn't played, like he didn't know the Skyrim port on Malawatch at all. this incredible lob threat, two things really stood out. He had a switch in a college game where the point guard hadn't played, like he didn't know the Skyrim port on Malawatch at all.

And he switches, he gets him in the switch, like, all right, here we go. Like the guard's gonna go right past this big guy. Malawatch stays in front of him by moving his feet. It's not even his wingspan. Like the guard couldn't do anything and was like freaked because you could just like, what the fuck was this? Like, I can't go around this guy.

So it feels like canipples in that three to five range, Malawatch. You know, some people say the floor is Toronto, unless they're going to go with S and gay, which is somebody from France who I don't like all that much, but he just fell down a lot. So, you know, how I get about those players, even when they're good, I'm like, stop falling down all the time. But those three guys are really special prospects, but yeah, big cat, you're going all the time. Uh but those three guys are really special prospects. But yeah, big cat, you're gonna be right. You're gonna be able to say, how did that team not win a title? It's gonna be awesome. It's gonna be awesome. It's gonna be like looking at the uh old Oklahoma City Thunder. Same thing, right? Except those

guys. Well, I mean, who left quicker? The freshman or? Yeah. So. Yeah. I mean, those guys are still Durant and Westbrook were still running things. That's 2016. I'll end up being Rockets. Is that one in draft in a draft? What? Should the rocket sign, Sir, Jebaka? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Get the game back. Rockets. I kind of like that. Yeah. Yeah. What about Jeremiah Fears? Because like a month ago, if you'd asked me who would I want on my team? I was feeling I like watching Jeremiah Fears play the way that he controls the game at point guard Where are we hearing that? He's gonna slip a little bit No, there's a lot of people think that Utah would take them as far as like can you get past the defender?

And there's a lot of guys that think they can That are like big-time scorers and come in with all the accolades and he's another one like Cooper that reclassified so he should have been a senior in high school this year and He comes in and no one can stay in front of him like nobody can stay in front of him and some of the stuff That he does the anticipation of the passing is really special So if you are in the room and you're arguing Hey, this guy has a chance because this will happen a lot with the draft which we always have to remind ourselves of is like You're sitting there at seven or eight,

you're like, okay, this guy's a better player. We know he could probably be in the rotation with us. It's a safer pick, but we can't get any stars or free agency, we can't trade for anybody. Nobody wants to come to our city. Is there a chance, is there a chance that this person develops into somebody that like becomes an elite level scorer,

where maybe he makes an all-star game because a couple other guys ask out of it? Yeah, I could see that fears conversate. I could see that being part of the conversation for fears. A lot of people do think Utah likes him, but if you wanted to shit on him, you go, okay, cool. He's really small. He turned it over more than any other player in the SEC. He shot 28% from three last year.

I looked at his high school stats. Again, high school stats, I can't believe it's 2025. We can't have a better database for this kind of stuff. But from what I could find and then double checking some of the stuff, like he wasn't over 30% from three there either. So I'm usually not in a hurry to be like, Hey, small guard can't shoot, turns it over a ton. Probably can't defend anybody. Yeah. Let's go. Number five hand in the cart. So so Jeremiah fears ceiling is Tyler Huntley. I would say a more condition pro bowler, better condition. OK, OK. Yeah, I mean, he's awesome.

The shooting thing like, well, how bad? Let me ask you this. If you're a team and you talk to these guys like, is there some level of, hey, we can figure out a way to get him to shoot better? Or is it like your shot kind of is your shot and it's, it's, you're not going to all of a sudden go from a 25% three point shooter to, Oh man, you're hitting 39%. Yeah. I, most people will tell you, you can work on it. Like if you want to figure this out, like a golf swing, you can probably get better at it. And you know, percentages can be misleading too, because there are NBA shooters who put up a really nice percentage, but they can only

shoot in like one scenario. Where it's the muscle memory is down, it's the catch, there's no dribble, it's from like one spot where they're comfortable. And actually there's incredible value in just that. But then there's other guys that can shoot from anywhere, can shoot off the catch, shoot off the dribble, they can calibrate their body and change the shot

based on what they think they need. And that's the real elite stuff. So there's times where I look at percentages for trap prospects and I'll think the player's actually a good shooter. Dylan Harper shot 33% from three this year. He's gonna be better than the 33% shooter. Because a lot of the shots were, hey, we're not that good.

I'm a five star, I'm the big deal, I'm the number one option. Like some of these kids, I don't really blame them. Like they're in love with taking some, hey, take a look at this, three pointer. I mean, you know, it's just what the game has become post-step. So there's a lot of shot selection stuff

that will happen with some kids where I look at their form, is it quick enough? Are they getting it off? Like, you know, again, Halliburton had probably one of the funkier deliveries ever and all he's done is shot 40% from three basically every season. So you know, there's more to it than I think than just what are your percentages where then you have Demen at BYU who apparently is lighting it up in these pre-workout, and I loved him at six, eight and a half

and playing point guard in some of his passing, but he's not, I mean, he didn't just miss this year. He like, I was kidding, but like his misses are violent. Like violent misses from three. So when I look at his percentage, I'm like, that seems to make more sense, even though apparently, again, he's, I guess, killing it in some of these pre-draft workouts, which is shocking because in game, it was pretty rough.

So besides him, who outside of the consensus top eight are you looking at and saying, I like that guy more than what the experts are ranking, Matt? Well, it's funny because I don't look look at the Cini stuff until I'm like, I feel like I'm comfortable. Like I don't want to look at his and then, then do all my work. And then I was watching Cedric Howard started D three was at Eastern Washington, played six games this year for Washington state. Cause his coach came over.

Uh, had a shoulder injury was shut down for the season. I still don't even think he's cleared for three on three stuff right now. And I watched him and I'm like, am I losing my mind? But is this guy incredible? And I texted Vasini and I was like, hey, what do you got on? Like, he was like, do you like this dude? He's like, yeah, I have ninth.

I was like, whoa. All right, and now, you know, people are seeing that going, that's insane, you guys are nuts. Cause we were raving about them last week on my pod. And it's just like, look, the competition is not very good. The only good team he played was Iowa last year, and it was probably the worst of the six games. So maybe I'm getting a little carried away.

But when you look at the physicality, the shooting numbers, which are incredible across the board, how he just was this wing who seemed like he can score on everybody. And then one game it was like, hey, I'm just going to post up dudes right now just to show you that I have the full arsenal. He makes a lot of sense, probably outside of that eight to nine range into the uncertainty of what the rest of the lottery and teens are going to be. Because that's where I think it's going to be a little bit more wild. You got a favorite euro guy. I feel like America's back.

We kind of we're dominating this draft after a couple that we didn't. But do you have a favorite euro guy? Well, Traore is like watching a cult being born. We're like, is it going to run away and look beautiful or is it going to fall down? He doesn't shoot it great. It reminds me of Mello a little, but when he's out there, you feel him, right? He's this lanky point guard running around. Again, he hasn't shot it great, but he plays with such incredible energy that sometimes

it's like, man, that's a lot of energy you're playing with. Essengue, who I mentioned, is a French kid who's playing in the German league. I can tell, I'll look at some of the reports on him and I think, did you guys watch him or are you just looking at... Because his free throw rate was nuts. He was like, oh, this guy's so efficient. He lives at the line. The shit he got called in his favor, like I can't, I just can't imagine an NBA ref going, yeah, let's send him to two for the line. Like you deserve that. Where he's not even facing the hoop on some of these shots. Yeah. And he's like turning

around and then chucks it. Like Dame Lillard would be embarrassed. Dame would be like, dude, don't ruin this for the rest of us. Some teams really like him. Some teams think he could go in the top 10. I'm not as big of a fan. I might be totally wrong. We'll see his team still playing. We don't even know if he's going to make it to the draft or not, but he's definitely going in the first round. Berenjot is the other French kid who plays center and he actually plays center. He's somebody I like at least for the fact that he knows exactly who he's gonna be

instead of some of these six, 10, 611 guys that wanna be small forwards and they're not. This guy's a center. He set a screen on a guard in this game I watched last week where it was such a violent screen. And I thought it was legal. They called a foul on him and the officials looking at him basically being like, that guy's so banged up

like a car crash after he ran in your screen. Like, I think I have to give him this call right now. And he's looking at him basically being like that guy's so banged up like a car crash after he ran in your screen like I think I have to give him this call right now and he's looking at him going like what like the first I think 12 makes that I saw from him were all just right at the rim dunks he has no interest in doing anything else and sometimes that can actually be a good thing for a team because it's like he doesn't want to show you what he's capable of in a few years he already understands the assignment. Yeah, I got a question for you about the New York Knicks and their coaching search. You think they're to the point where they pick up the phone? Made called Alabama? Nate Oates?

Man, is is oh, this is a what about Condoleezza Rice? Are they gonna get a coach for real? This is a shit show. Yeah. I don't think any of it matters. You know, I think it's like something that's really easy to make fun of very easy. If they win games, which they're going to, no one is going to be talking about this in a year. No one. So I don't know why they would necessarily do this to embarrass themselves. But to me, this is not like, this is one of your buddies that's a great guy that does something embarrassing and it's just not going to hang on him as opposed to somebody else. Like it's also the Knicks. Some people like

to shit on them. I think there's a lot of good one-liners out of all this stuff, but ultimately none of this is ever going to matter. It's just not like it's a very, if you want to pile on, you can use it. I would like to pile on. Yep, we're gonna pile on. I know, I know man. You love to get on top. I do. Love to. You know me. Stay on top.

That's what we say on this podcast. Piled right. Get on top, stay on top. I just wanted to get on top of the Knicks and then I also wanted to get on top of Rico at the same time, which is why I thought maybe Nate Oates to the Knicks could make everybody happy. Who was, was it Izzo that was going to fix everybody there for a while?

Remember when Izzo was going to coach the Michigan State football team? Yes. Yes. Yes. He was going to fix it all. We are so fucking stupid sometimes. But I love it. I love it because it's also like, maybe he could.

I don't know. That guy can coach. Nothing's better than the Condoleezza Rice Browns thing. No. I still can't believe it's real. I think about it once a week. I think about it. I text you every now and then. Like, what are you doing? Like, thinking about Condoleezza Rice with a headset on. This is real. They need a CEO. That's really what it is. We need a head coach as a CEO. Who would you guys most want to coach as a CEO. It's like, who would you guys most want to coach the next table? Probably Jay, right?

Rick Bronson would be funny. It would, it would be very funny. You'd have to admit. It would be very fun. If Cuomo doesn't win the election, probably him. Yeah. How about those numbers? Yeah. Well, the real answer is I would love super political, but I just saw it I would love for them to strike out and then have to rehire Tibbs That would be do you take it? Yeah tips to do it. Yeah, why not if they pay you? It's like it's a rum situation Fuck it like they I knew they hated me tip tip strikes

He's a guy who it's not like he's walking around being like, everyone loves me in this building. So I don't think it would change much. Tim's loves basketball so much. He would probably do it. Yeah. Yeah. He loves basketball so much. We've told this story. I mean, you probably know it. Like the, the fact that he was going to get married and he was like, yeah, actually I'm not getting married because you are going to make me not be able to be a basketball coach all the time. And he just had the foresight to be like, yeah, we're just not going to do this. I did it because of podcasting. Yeah. Exactly. That's commitment. That's committed. How many

fights I've avoided by just like I've actually done society a favor by being resilient in my solitude because I just know the arguments that I've avoided and you know, who knows? I mean the butterfly effect say I had a wife and she's like, I can't believe he's watching another game. And then she crashes into somebody at Ralph's grocery store. You know, who knows? You've made so many women so happy by not marrying them. Yeah I've done more for women than anybody More than yeah you any married man. You're you're feminists at heart. Have you ever played solitaire during an NBA playoff game? At home on my couch probably your solitaire guy

No, uh, I don't think so I mean back in the day with ESPN every now and then, you remember that golf game that they used to have, that mini golf game on ESPN.com in the early 2000s? There was always that one hole that was like, if you could get that in a hole-in-one, then once you started breaking it, I think the lowest score you could get

was like a North Korean score, wherever your hole was a hole-in-one, but it was really, really hard to do. So we used to do that sometimes during the break, because those shows were six hours long, I remember. Yeah. On those Saturday, Saturday night, overnights. But during a game like that, I look, I'll admit, you know, you get a little distracted on your phone live at a game every now and then. You know, is that dog actually underwater?

You know is that dog actually underwater? It was a cool video and and I'll say that like at the beginning of the video I was like wait is this real and then when we could audibly hear the dog barking at the shark As the shark banged into his scuba. I don't think the dog would bark. No. I think your dog bark I don't think we'll be able to hear it the dog would bark no I don't bark I don't think we'll be able to hear it well we don't know how it was mic'd that's true that's true yeah I missed that all right what are you really asking me by the way what about solitaire yeah just wonder what your thoughts were on on solitaire gate you zagged pretty hard I was just curious I want to know you're in the biz

Ryan what I just can't imagine I can't imagine you ever playing a game on your computer during an NBA Finals game let's just say if that were to happen I would be pretty bummed out with myself yeah unless it was a really good solitaire game because that's the part that people miss, that Stephen A. Smith actually had a really good solitaire game going. How does he not see that six over there? I would be,

I think the lesson in all of this is that some people are to a level where there's like this acceptance of it doesn't even matter. Like nothing even matters. Which I don't know if that's good or bad. Well, but okay, so it did matter a little and I didn't say this on Monday's show, but Stephen A. Smith, his daughter's a little too old to be using her as a shield.

He really needed his daughter to be like five. I'm not getting any of that. What would How let's talk about this way? What not? It's the truth hypothetically what would Stephen a Smith say about an NBA player if He made the organization go out of their way to bring that players child Into the organization if that were to ever happen in the NBA. Do you think Stephen would have a problem with it in the kitchen? Not that great. Did you guys already do this segment? No, no, no. I was ruminating on that take. Like it was, I just like usually like when people bring out their kids as shields being like, I'm

facing a little controversy. It's like, you know, the kids like running around really cute. Everyone's like, Oh, look at this cute kid. It's not like a full blown adult. I have nothing to add to this. I'm staying out of it. All right. We'll do the rollback question. R H O B A C K dot com promo code. Take 20% off your first purchase. Q zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts, row back.com promo code. Take 20% off. Uh, my last question for you, Ryan is, are you going to run a six minute mile this year? You and I talked about it. This is a big, big controversy on the show where, make it quick, I don't do a great job with that, but like it just, what would you be excited about, right? If like, what would you be excited? You'd be excited to rep out 225. I think you'd be excited for most people to bench 225 once.

If you could rep 135 one time, like good for you, you're in there, never gonna be critical to anybody, that's aging, that's understanding that like, hey, we're all in this together. I don't wanna be a orphan of society. And yet when I brought up the mile, just off the top of my head, I was like, yeah, I think like a six minute mile, like if you run,

but nobody just runs a mile, nobody runs a mile to just test themselves. And then it turned into the marathon crowd being like, are you guys out of your mind? 7.30 is like the best split. And then of course that's what happens. Like people consistently prove their selfishness to me all the time that their argument was only about

what it was that they were doing in the normal thing. So Big Cat and I talked about this, Big Cat, which I appreciate, I don't think it was the friendship. He was like, you're 100% right about this whole thing. Like nobody would run one mile and then come to work on Monday being like 742 dudes. He'd be like, wait, you ran one of them? That's a fact. At some point, like you stop worrying about your mile time. I would say that age is maybe 10th grade and you don't really care what you can run one mile in. And you just-

Unless you run it. Yeah, unless you're on a track team. But then you reach the age where it's like, okay, I'm going to run more than a mile because I'm just- Exactly. I'm trying to stay in shape. I'm not trying to run- 5K in it. 6,900 meters. Yeah. Right, right. There's just very few people being like, I'm going trying to ride 500 meters. Yeah, right, right. Like there's just very few people being like I'm gonna figure this thing out

although big cat told me And again, cuz he was on my side But you went out and ran a mile just to prove that you could do it cuz nobody thought you could do it, right? Yeah, no people were like, oh you can't you it's over ten minutes easy. I went out I ran like a 740 it killed me. I was crushed. I felt like crap. I wanted to die. Did you go out too fast? I went, I just pushed myself to the limit. I'm not in good shape, but it's, I do think people like if you've done anything, if you're, if you've done anything in your life that's like remotely athletic, you could, you still have a baseline that like 740 is

not and I didn't go around bragging to people. Be like, Hey dude, I ran a 740. If someone tells you they ran a six minute mile, I would be like, dude, that's fucking crazy. Like that's fast, that's a really fast, that's sprinting like as fast as you can. It's a 10. It's a 10 on the treadmill the whole time. It's crazy. And I used to try to do it when I was younger,

and I don't think I ever got it. I think I'd get to like the.08 and then I would just be like, something's gonna blow. Like you've got to, the treadmill is driving you, you're not even running right now. And it's gonna be really bad. Am I gonna train for it?

I've wanted to just to kind of do a hey everybody, fuck off, because whenever any of us talk about any of this stuff, they seem to think that that's impossible. And I'm like, I probably could, but I'd get a lot skinnier and I don't want to do that. It's taking me forever to have this much mass. I'm not ready to give it up. That's why I'm not going on love Island. Good point. You're finally at a place in life where you're happy with your body. Yeah. You got a great body. Body. I have a great body. I fuck everybody. Don't

apologize. Yeah. No, I mean, I look, I'll check myself out the other day. I was like, you the reason I'm single is like, I don't know if anybody deserves this. Yeah. And you can fuck yourself. I've seen videos, but I don't know if they're real. Oh, the dog the dog scuba diving. Hank Hank got caught by that he got caught by the Kittens jumping off the high dive that one was really that the kittens in the Olympics Yeah, that one was real. Yeah. Well, there was a there was like an AI Roided up

DeChambeau on threads. Yeah And I think big guy can understand like I just wrote fake and the guy was like dude, I'm just having fun I think Big Geck can understand, like I just wrote fake. And the guy was like, dude, I'm just having fun. It's great though. We gotta keep modest. Yeah, right. Like we don't need this shit because people are now being desensitized. I think there's something to be said.

I don't know if it's a book or a TED Talk or whatever, but no one's impressed with anything anymore. Yeah. And sometimes every now and then allow yourself to be impressed. I am impressed with the Oklahoma City Thunder and their organization. That's a great, great tie back. Stuck the landing. There was one guy online. I saw yesterday I had a picture of him and his mom from, he was like, he was like four years old in this picture and his mom was obviously like a grown lady. He's like, this is the most fantastic use case I've ever seen for AI.

And then he turned that picture into a video of his mom and him hugging. And he's like, this is now one of my most cherished memories that I have a fake video of him hugging his mom. Oh, that's actually pretty sad. Yeah, very sad. It's really sad. Yeah. I apologize about trying to keep up with the banter It was I have nothing that I've been this is like that. It's just like the solitaire topic. I have nothing to add Yeah, I was impressed by that fan at the LSU game Yeah That was that twice

All right, Ryan, you're the best we love you enjoy vacation wherever you're going Yeah, we're the best. We love you. Enjoy vacation wherever you're going. Yeah, I mean, looking at St. Helena. OK. Little Napoleon exile. OK. Yeah, I was going to put myself through the same exile minus. I got a picture or I got a piece of Napoleon's DNA. You want to bring it there? But that'd is 50? Yeah. Okay. No $250 online get a piece of hair. Did you spend half a million and pulling his dick and it's a relevant

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Propper number 12 Irish whiskey. And now here's Isaiah Hartnestein. Okay we now welcome on a very very very special guest. He is an NBA champ as of less than 24 hours ago. It is Isaiah Hartenstein from the Oklahoma city thunder. Uh, I mean, it's crazy. We're talking to you. It's been 12 hours. Has, does it feel like, have you been doing media? Like, are we the first to say you're an NBA champ? Um, I mean, right after the game, you heard it a couple of times, but I mean, now y'all the next day, definitely the first, for sure. Yeah. So, so, uh, you win, let's talk game seven, you win, uh, game seven, everything's

happening. Uh, did you ever in your wildest imagination be like, I'm going to someday win an NBA title and then my son is going to go viral for sleeping. Oh yeah. Wait, he's awake actually right now. Oh, this is good. Your weight. We'll give them a little, little cameo. Can you break the news to him that dad's a champion? He didn't, he could care less. All he wanted to do is go home and listen to Elmo. He didn't care about anything about NBA championships. So that's hilarious. It was awesome. How old is he? He's one. He didn't care about anything about NBA championships. So that's hilarious. It was awesome. How old is he? He's one. He just turned one. Okay. I had your back in the moment because I have three kids. I was like, dude, they sleep when they sleep. Like

this is actually a good thing. You just, you know, when they're, when they're ready to sleep, just let them sleep. Yeah. That was, it was amazing. I mean, I, I might need like the reading the sound now for, for the crib because he was dead asleep. Like he doesn't even sleep that good at home. So I'm like, I need to figure this out or something, but it was a mercy moment and now he's up. There we go. Yeah. The moment when I think Shay was the one who like tried to pick up his head a little was very funny. Yeah. I was very bad multitasking. She was asking questions, his head was falling to the side. I have great teammates who helped me with my father and you know, it was good.

So what happens after you guys win? What was last night like for you guys? I mean, first of all, you steal the great the great emotions I mean I think just as a group you're with these guys probably more than your family so just kind of experiencing that together was something truly amazing and then after that we went to we tried to do this champagne whatever is called party but no one knew how to do it. Like we were all trying to figure out that AC was trying to explain to us how to do it. So it was probably the worst champagne shower probably in NBA history. But we had fun with that. I love that. Your team's so young. And then you're like, Hey, unk Alex Caruso, who's how old is he? He's 30. Yeah. Old man on the team. Like the only one who knows

how to open up a bottle of champagne. The crazy thing is I think it was like for like three people like the first time they even drank alcohol. Oh, that's that is not that is great. Did they get they get hammered? First timers? I mean, yes, yeah. Yeah. So I got a little fun last night, but they earned it for sure. Yeah. In terms of the actual game, it was weird because obviously the Halliburton injury happens and it kind of takes a little of the air out of the whole game seven. Did you feel it affect your side as well? Because you guys were down at half where it was not not, not so much like that you're feeling bad for him, but it's just kind of weird. You, you plan on playing this guy who's been incredible and had this insane run and then he's out for the rest of the game. You're like, all right, what are we doing here? We

got TJ McConnell now for extended minutes. Did, did it feel like weird after he went down? I mean, first of all, like my prayers just go out to them. I think having an injury like that is always something sad to see. He was amazing all playoffs but I think for us it was kind of just getting back to I mean yeah you never want to see it but we were trying to get back to zero. I mean that's been our kind of model all season get back to zero. I mean, that's been our kind of model all season, get back to that zero, zero mentality. And yeah, even without him, that great team, I mean, TJ McCollum was, felt like Michael Jordan or something.

Like he would have some stretches where he had gone. I mean, he was really impressive this whole playoffs, but yeah, we just wanted to make sure that we just stayed locked in. Um, and yeah, I think it got it done. Yeah. Can you take me back to last year, July 1st, 2024, when you decided that you were going to sign with the thunder and what was going through your head, why you made that decision? Did things play out the way that you thought they

would, or was there, you know, you thought that it was the right place for you to be, but maybe even you were surprised with how this year went. Um, I think I was more surprised. I mean, you know, you thought that it was the right place for you to be, but maybe even you were surprised with how this year went. I think I was more surprised. I mean, you always saw the culture from the outside. Like you saw the San Presi always built a great culture with the, with the thunder, but then really being in it to see how amazing the culture really is. We really just have to focus on basketball here. And I think he's done a great job just building that out. And so now being here, winning a championship, I mean, it was always a goal, but it's never

promised. And so yeah, I mean, for me, it worked out perfectly. It worked out perfectly. Yeah, there was a take when you when you decided to sign with Oklahoma City. This is from Nick Central that posted this in reaction to the news Welp Isaiah Hardenstein went for the short-term money and not for the chance to win a championship at NYC and be a legend For eternity and have long-term money enjoy irrelevance. Are you enjoying irrelevance? Yeah, it feels pretty good Are you enjoying a relevance? Yeah, it feels pretty good. Like the champagne, it feels the confetti coming down on the trophy. It feels pretty good. But I got a lot of my next

people, man. They're so passionate. They love they look, but they're so good for basketball. So I'll take, I'll take that comment and I'll take my ring in a couple of couple months too. So yeah. Yeah. But the thunder have some incredible fans as well. Uh, do you, at any point during the season, did you, uh, see thunder out there with his shirt off and his belly painted? Because I feel like this is partially his championship too. And pretty much everyone who put on a shirt, anyone who puts on a shirt, you know, in your guys arena, like they won this championship as well. Yeah. I mean, I saw the first time I saw him was he had a shirt off from summer league. Like he was ready to go and so I was like, well, what is going on here. And they give us a push every game. I mean,

every game, every home game, everyone's wearing a shirt. It could be an 80 year old person or it could be a four year old. No one cares. They were wearing a shirt. And I think it just gave us really a boost, especially at home. I think our home record was in the playoffs was like 12 and two or something like that. Yeah. Yeah. And the two were just insane, like losses at the end of the nuggets in the Pacers. Yeah. Yeah, it was crazy. I mean, Aaron Boyd was, yeah, the crazy game, game winner, Halliburton, crazy game winner. Um, but yeah, our

fans are amazing. Yeah. So you lose game one, uh,, our fans are amazing. So you lose game one, kind of a crazy comeback. That's what the Pacers have been doing all postseason. Could you spin zone that and say it was actually a good thing we lost game one because it shocked us and it made us ready to play for full game for every single other game that we had against them? I mean, we kind of knew it coming into it. I mean, they were doing it all playoffs. I mean, the the comebacks they've had. I mean, you would watch and you would like, I don't even know how they came back from that. So we also kind of knew it. But yeah, I mean, it kind of helped us for sure.

I mean, I think just that was kind of mentality throughout these playoffs. I mean, throughout the series is how can we stay locked in 48 minutes? They're a great team. And even when you feel like the games, you have control of the game, they can come back just with their pace and the way they play. And so, yeah. Yeah. I got a basketball question for you. So, uh, in these playoffs, uh, especially in these finals, you went from starting to, to coming off the bench for, for, for a few of the games to start the series. How hard is that as a player to be like, I'm now starting the game on the bench was in its credit to you. You like,

it felt like the thunder had that type of team chemistry where guys can be interchangeable, guys can play different amount of minutes, but is that difficult to be like, all right, I'm used to starting and now I'm going to have to come off the bench in like these high leverage situations? Yeah. I think if you want to win, you have to sacrifice. And so I think knowing that I was able to put my ego aside and I trust Mark fully. I mean, Mark's been great for us all season. I trust the decisions he's making. So it's more, I just want to win so bad.

And if it's me playing one minute, me playing 40 minutes, to me, it doesn't matter. I think just, I mean, if you look at our whole team, each series, someone else sacrificed. And so I think that's what made us special again. And it was no egos involved. No one was in the locker room, pouting because he played, let's say 10 less minutes in the series before it was, how can I help the team when? And I think that that's what also makes us so connected to. Yeah. If you played one on one versus Lou Dort, are you scoring a point? Yeah. Are

you sure? Yeah. Lou Dort would probably lock you down. No. Yeah. That's right. Yeah. No, that's like, but I feel like Lou Dortort, he doesn't get enough credit in your whole team. Like, can you feel when you guys were playing at your highest level, the defense was just so insane. Would you, would you like look at each other and say like, Hey, we got them now. Like we know what, like, cause, cause it was, it was like demoralizing to watch what you would do to other teams where it's not always the offense. It's just like you're so suffocating hands everywhere, loose balls, all that stuff where you could you feel like you taking the will of other teams during the season? Yeah, I mean, I think there was times throughout the season where, I mean, even throughout

the playoffs where we weren't shooting good, but we knew we could rely on our defense. I think for us it's special that we, to me, I don't think we really had a weak link on defense. I mean, even Shea is a great defender to me. So it's like when you have five guys in the court at all time, I mean, when Lou Dore comes out, you have Alex Perusso, Casey Wallace. So probably as the guards, every time I look to the bench or see someone get subbed in, they're probably like, oh, damn, he's coming in. Damn, another one. So it's, I think something that really made us throughout the year, because we always had that energy is always someone coming in.

And I've probably never played on a team where Top to bottom. We all like great defenders. Yeah, wave after wave guys I get a dumb question for you. Have you ever thought about talking to SGA and being like hey, man Maybe you shouldn't sign 500 autographs before a game. That might be too many autographs I'm gonna I saw that video the NBA posted it. Yeah, there was like like a ticker. I'm like, I would be exhausted. I mean, he's a great dude. Like just to do that, like he's so humble and then like he's so connected to the fans. But like I got tired watching me.

I'm like, but I don't know. He has, I guess, stamina for days. My hand would have been cramping by probably like 200. Yeah, it was crazy. Yeah. For like, actually on a serious level, I think that my hand would be too injured to play basketball if I had to write my name 500 times. Yeah. Yeah, that would have. I mean, if you would have went to our dogs, like, hey, dog, I can't play. I just strain my hand signing our grass. I think, I think people will be pissed around the organization for sure. Dumb question because it happened before the game, but were you aware of the video that was going around about the buses being painted for the championship parade? Because obviously

that's something that we're sitting here on our phone being like, Oh, this is a problem. Did you guys, did anyone in the locker room see that video? I mean, I saw it, but I feel like they have to do that. Like before probably Indiana, they're probably doing the same thing. Yes. I just got a leak. Right. I mean, it wasn't like they were going to do it like a day before and try to do it as fast as possible. So it was probably there. Both teams were doing it, but our team just got leaked. But I mean, yeah, you can't have it leaked. Yeah. Cause you're right. Like did you have to make the plans? But was there ever, did, did anyone talk about it before the game? Like, Hey,

look at this. What this was like, we're getting a little ahead of ourselves. No, we didn't really. I mean, we were just focused on the game. I mean, you have enough emotion going into game seven that kind of stuff like that. You just kind of push through sides. What were the emotions that you were feeling before that game? I mean, just human nature. You have a certain nervousness to you because you know how drastic of a change it would be. I mean, if you win, you're in the happiest, I mean, I'm like, grateful beyond measures, happy beyond measures.

But if you lose, I mean, I told my wife, I'm like, if we look like, if this goes the other way, I might be in my room for three weeks not talking to you depressing my room. So it's really like those two big different sways about it. So you have that nervousness to you, but I think the pressure is also a privilege. You grow up wanting to play in these high state games. And so that's kind of where I got back to being more calm, just noticing that the pressure is a privilege. How many times did you go to the bathroom before the game?

I would go to the bathroom a hundred times before the game. I ain't gonna lie, I went like five times. Yeah, yeah. And you're like, oh, I don't have no piss left, but I still got to do it. I'd be the other way. Yeah. Well, I mean, do both, but like, you know, like when you have that like nervousness, like I'm just going to check if I have to piss again. Yeah it was good. A couple more than usual.

Yeah. Yeah that's just human nature. Was there anyone who was just like living in the bathroom. Please don't tell me it was out. So I mean I didn't really track that. So I wasn't really following everyone to the bathroom. So I'll ask my teammates after you get back. I feel like it was chatet. Chet was probably... Yeah, you didn't have to track it. Just like, did you see anyone more than once where you're like, you're going five times? Did you see anyone like, oh, here we are again? No, not really. I might've been the most thing because I was kind of about myself a lot. So I might've been up there. Yeah.

But you know, AC's old bladder, he might've been. He's got some kidney stones he's got to pass. Yeah. Did you guys, did you guys talk at all about, there was a play, I think it was maybe game five, when Alex Crusoe was a friend of ours. He was, he basically was trying to swim on the floor to get a loose ball and he looked psychotic

Did you did anyone make fun of him after that? I mean we're used to he's a psychopath so very We're used to that means amazing man. I mean the passion he has for the game The grit and also he plays with All playoffs he's made huge plays and yeah for us for us, he's been amazing. He's been the old guy for us, the bald guy for us. And yeah, he keeps his head shining for sure. Yeah. All right. So now that you get to actually plan the parade and you get to use those very

beautiful bosses that you guys painted like five months ago, who's going to be in charge on your team? Who's the guy that's going to be like the social director being like, Hey, we're going to meet up here. Here's where we're going to pregame. How's that going to get pulled together? I mean, most of us are recovering right now. I mean, a couple of guys are trying to, trying to survive right now. Um, Jay Jay was most of the most social guy, probably.

So Jay will probably is going to be social guy probably so Jay will probably gonna be the guy to get everything started and yeah and then after that I mean I even know what's going on to be honest yeah they said show up at 830 and I guess we're just gonna figure it out from there so on so as a group chat this morning it was like three guys being like I am so fucking hungover right now. Unless we win another championship, I'm never drinking again. That was the whole group chat. I said, I'm done drinking.

I hate alcohol. Yeah, that was the whole group chat this morning. I have one more question about the series. We mentioned him, TJ McConnell. Were there moments where you're like, how the hell is this guy doing this? I'm like a foot taller than him. And he would just dribble around like underneath everyone and around and just like he, he, he had such a impact on the series and it was crazy to watch. Yeah, it was, I feel like this play like a mad man out there. It was like, I mean, like

you would watch him like, how is he doing this at times? And then you would go defend them. He'd be like, Oh, okay. I get it. I get it. I get it. It's not as easy as I thought it was like this, but every sometimes like I watch players on like, how does he get by him the whole time? And then when you really get on, it's, it's a different ball game, but he was amazing. I mean, even defensively he had like, I think's a different ball game. But he was amazing. I mean, even defensively, he had like, I think it was one away game. He had like five steals off the inbound.

Like, I don't know how we, like we watched the film, like how did we turn these balls over? But he was amazing. A lot of respect to him. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, it was, uh, it was impressive. You guys were a great team all season. Was there a point during the season where you thought, yeah, this could be, we could definitely win a championship with the squad. I mean, I think we had confidence, um, from the beginning, but I think when we went on that, um, things like 15 game winning streak, I think that's when we were like, hey, we have a good chance. We were beating teams. I feel like about like 20 every night. And I think that's when we like kind of looked at each other like, hey, we got a chance to really do it. But we also have a very like present

focus team. So we never try to get too far ahead. And I think that's what made us great all season. Mark talks about having that zero zero mentality. And so for us just being present throughout the season, I think that helped a lot. Yeah. Is it easy to keep the zero zero mentality? Like hypothetically, if you're beating the Memphis Grizzlies by like 60 points, is he still like, hey guys, it's zero zero?

Yeah, he's like one of them psychopath coaches who like shows us like animals before we play like animals hunting and stuff like that. So he's definitely, he's definitely one of the guys that brought up by 60. We got that zero zero mentality. I like that. I love that. Um, all right. Well, Isaiah, I have one last question. It's the a row back question. R H O B A CB-A-C-K.com promo code take 20% off your first purchase. Q-zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts, rowback.com promo code take. I got a staff for you that's going to probably wow you from this season. You ready for it?

Yeah, let's do it. You gave SGA 2,475 high fives at the free throw line this year. That real set. No, I made that up. Like whoever's tracking that has no life. Got there like little piece of paper is like, I want to. Yeah, who has no life. Did you ever skip any? Did did you ever do you always are you always giving them out? Now I make sure I make sure my hands always out there me. Okay, I would say that you want the ball every now and then So you can't you know, thank you

That's more impressive than him signing 500 autographs. Yeah, your hand should be exhausted at the end of this year I know they should like count how many times that we'd be clapping and stuff like that. That's where in terror, man. Yeah. Yeah. Um, well, Isaiah congrats again, man. Uh, awesome. Awesome. Season. Incredible accomplishment. You guys were, I mean, second most wins all time of a championship team in a season, a hell of a team, so congrats and have fun at the parade. Thank you, appreciate y'all. Okay, before we get to FAQs in basketball, the great players don't just do it alone.

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the customer. Availability and eligibility vary by state. Okay, Hank, let's wrap it up with FAQs. Do you guys have big numbers outside the u.s.? I'm a listener from Brazil, and I'm curious about it American sports are pretty global these days Oh when you comment you say J a J a J a J a something's funny judge. I judge. I judge. I judge I that always seems funnier. What uh do is anyone know the answer that we have some Australian I thought European I feel like Indian maybe I'm just making up European I feel like Indian maybe I'm

just making up I feel like we had a lot of Netherlands for some reason I think we have a lot of English British definitely a lot of Australia my wrist a lot of sound off down the street from abroad yeah I love it I think number two in Canada to you know Canada chicklets number one our guys yep yep they Yep They we love them. What about Italy are the Italian numbers? Gotta be strong. I mean all the soccer. Yeah, we're getting Rick Patino on all the soccer talk all the meatball talk I'm out right now. She's you know blows up there. Yeah Yeah, I don't know what our What our strongest countries it would be I think it's Australia. It is pretty pretty sure

I love that makes me feel good because Australians rule. Like that's if they like us I feel like we're doing something right. Yeah Australians are the best. Yeah and it totally isn't just people from America who live there. No it's criminals from England. Yeah it's totally. It's actually all the people that were that were so cool that they got kicked out of England when it sucked Yeah Alright, he's looking right now. We're not We're okay in us

Australia, maybe What's the number one sports a lot in Australia? There's a lot of scrolling We got to get yeah, I mean kangaroo jack. All right, we got to get we got a bigger in Australia We got to get yeah, I mean kangaroo jack. We got to get we got a bigger in Australia Number one podcast is Dan does footy. Oh love that. That's awesome. We should get damn We should get him on yeah, Dan does footy little crossover Ozzy rules footy. Mmm, baby Go make up the magpies Okay, hey there Oh

Monaco You're huge Monaco. You're huge in Monaco. No. M's. Oh for Mount Rushmore? Yeah we got a good one. Yeah I mean you said that Michelin-starred restaurants didn't make the cut. Yeah. Monaco is like the the city. I agree but it's just a bunch of casinos and like. It does rock. I was just thinking. Monaco. Yeah. Actually we should try. Miami. We should try to grow our audience in Monaco. Yeah, we should I think that'd be a good idea Maybe it would have been a remote broadcast on site. Yeah Hey there big cat PFT and soul patch max wants a soul patch guy always a soul pack guy

Big guy it seems you've reached a point of nirvana now that you have a soft serve machine. What is the next goal for the office slide? We slide we slide from the second floor to the first floor You don't want Did you see that look I mean I wouldn't poop who was slide. Did you see that look? I wouldn't yuck another man's yum. Did you see that look? He even I mean that was talked about in in construction designs. Yeah, I know and I'm now I'm now ready for a slide Why cage batting cage is you but we need more space in construction designs. Yeah, I know. And I'm now ready for a slide. That makes no sense. Why? Batting cage is, but we need more space for batting cage.

I'll forever say batting cage. Oh, yeah. I mean, if we get more space, batting cage is one, one going to happen. We have so many baseball guys coming in now. Yeah. No, no. Batting cage would be so sick.

Batting cage would be sick. What do you think they would do? You think they would let you pitch batting practice to them? I mean, I think they said... So I don't know what it... Should I say the guy? Oh yeah. Yeah, they were here.

Yeah, yeah. Merrill Kelly said he would... He said we got to try that. Yeah. During the interview. Yeah. Okay. Slide though.

I don't... I still think Gravitron. I actually saw a Gravitron for sale for $70,000. Yeah, if we could find the space. Practically giving it away. You wouldn't like a slide from the second floor all the way to the first floor? You wouldn't slide down that slide? It's not a...

It doesn't make logistical sense. What do you mean? There'd be no room. Stairs suck. Slides are awesome. But it would just take up a lot of space. How would it take up a lot of space? Where would it end?

It would end right in front of the golf simulator That's a lot of so If we had one like the it's good the slide That the cop went down in Boston. Yeah, that would be fun. No like a risk-reward side. Okay, we could figure that out What about a fireman's pole? That sounds dangerous. Yeah, that does sound dangerous. Okay, so you're out on the slide. That idea. I think if we get a slide we should have a ladder. I should know I'm in. You're in on a slide now. Why?

Because otherwise you're gonna get one. You're smart. But think about it, if you had a choice of how to get to the second floor and your options were stairs or a ladder that just goes up to that balcony, I think I'd take the ladder every time. I'd probably take the ladder. Yeah balcony. I think I take the ladder every time I probably take the ladder Yeah, and I would definitely take the slide if you're going down up I'd probably walk up the slide every now and then just for fun We have elevator you have to use the stairs, but you have to go all the way in the corner. I take it every day It's slow the problem with the elevators. You have to walk so much further to the elevator might as well take the stairs

Uh, so then what's the next thing Hank? I? So much further to the elevator might as well take the stairs. So then what's the next thing Hank? I don't know. I scream kind of was the is the dog chasing the car caught it ball pit ball pit batting but batting cages again batting cages are not like do we want it or not? We want it. We don't have the space for I know I know space for it.

We'd have a batting cage tomorrow. I understand but they asked what's what's the dream? That's the dream at least for me Okay, I dream shooting range Shooting range would be interesting. I wouldn't be opposed bowling lane bowling lane would be awesome. We could bowl. Oh great I just want to really go on guarantee that would break twice a day. Oh, yeah. Well. We would just have Zack Pin boys Zach just becomes a mechanic That would take more time to master than the ice cream

What is everyone's top four sports by ability max mentioned basketball is even in his top ten and he still hit that three in Hank's eye that's not true. No that was in your eye the video is a video showed I don't know. I don't know if we want to need to do four because it falls off a cliff Yeah, it's the thing is like all of our fourth best sports are very very bad spike ball. I would say basketball wiffle ball Go or softball and the golf's not there for me Swimming I'm a good swimmer But you won't get it at me for the bar stool camp. They're like, oh, did you almost die swimming?

It's like dude, I went too fast for my body like figure it out. My body went to a higher level You're a good dart thrower. Darts. Decent dart thrower. Pole vaulting. Yeah. Good frisbee golf. Yeah. Yeah. It's not great. What about you, PFT? I think is this like what you're good at relative to

other people? By your ability. Top four sports by ability. Like if you you the top four sports you feel confident. Yeah, I could do this rugby would probably be number one. Foot golf. I'm a very strong foot golfer. I played once but I feel like I'm I could be good at that. Okay. kicking footballs. That counts. Yeah. being a kicker and then I don't know golf. Yeah mindset golf

golf is actually number one. Yep. Yep. could I throw out there just like catch job coach? I'm very good at catch good hand-eye coordination But I could play catch forever, and I'm like I'll throw it to where it needs to be I'll catch it. Yeah Pretty simple there are a lot of people who are not gonna catch that is true You know that a nice smooth you know the people aren't gonna catch like all right. I want to play catch with you anymore Yeah, I'm great at shooting around like I'm not great at basketball But like I'm not great pass believe it but if I had to pick like what like a game I could like jump into

A game maybe basketball Zach. What are yours? I Hate to say my strongest support probably is basketball I'm okay pickleball duos in the 1v1 not very good. We're doing duos in the pickleball court relatively decent I'm okay with a dink and Then I like darts if we're if if darts plays I'll go darts 3. Okay. Thank you. She said ping-pong Yeah, ping-pong ping-pong bocce Max you baseball baseball fishing football not basketball basketball darts like fish crushing

Dana yeah in Oklahoma Joe's like I'm like bad at most things football but I'm but I mean no in the trenches yeah you could just select Oklahoma drill yeah yeah I'd say you're like top 1% Yeah, it's just the the sports that I played growing up memes lacrosse Yeah lacrosse indoor outdoor. Oh both box box Women's I like playing basketball most oh I guess I would Women's arm wrestling. I am a champion so that would be I

Need to start sending that clip to people online being like this webcam and competing in women's sports Or just tweet it like you're like a girl's name has one yeah Api's in Jack Mac My favorite long-running bit of the show is a good great good question back and forth between picket and pft your question During interviews have you ever thought about incorporating this into a year-long competition whoever gets the most that's a good question responses from guests During the year of interviews wins loser has to do something thanks and love the show I think that would be like a decent thing for somebody to track but I don't want to make it a competition no it's it's about gassing each other up yeah

it's about gassing our boys it's about letting letting the other person know that it was a great question not at all just the person stalling for time before they ask the question it's also like you know it's like the Carlisle saying they had motivation after seeing the buses. Like, you don't need motivations to want to have a good question. Also, if we have an interview and PFT gets a bunch of good questions,

that's awesome because that means the interview rocked. Yeah. Like the listeners, like, we are a team, as much as Mount Rushmore will show otherwise. We are a team. I'm pumped when he gets a good question. When we get back to back good questions, I'm like, I hit another level. I feel like- I'm just like, holy shit, we are a team. I'm pumped when he gets a good question. When we get back to back good questions, I'm like, I hit another level.

I feel like, I'm just like, holy shit, we're fucking firing. I feel like I'm Dwayne Wade throwing the ball up to the ground. Good question, good question. Yeah, and again, you're right. It has nothing to do with the person stalling. No, they know exactly how they're gonna answer. They just wanna let us know, wow,

I'm just really impressed with how you guys do your job before I answer that question Yeah now to answer it now when someone says oh great question that usually is a stall. Yeah, that's a stall You can tell but good question. That's that's just sincere as possible. Yeah, they just want to let us know. Yeah, is that it? Yeah, all right. Good show boys. Thanks for pulling that up Zach. Yeah That's awesome an interview right there. That was Max great job. I don't Max all right numbers three I think those memes 99 memes say you yeah You sure?

99 pug I go six I go 15 I Wasn't paying attention in anyone else's numbers you'll be oh 84 okay, Zach I'll go 46 somebody say 69. That was 99. Is that in your rotation memes? 69? Mouth stuff. It should be. It should be. Mouth stuff.

It should be. I remember the first lottery ball. It went like 69, 69. Like the first lottery ball you let me pick, it was 69. And you guys told me I should have picked 69. I remember the first lottery ball. It went like 69, 69. Like the first lottery ball you let me pick, it was 69.

And you guys told me I should have picked 69. I remember the first lottery ball. It went like 69, 69. Like the first lottery ball you let me pick, it was 69. And you guys told me I should have picked 69. I remember the first lottery ball. It went like 69, 69 69 like the first lottery ball you let me pick it It was 69 and you guys told me I should have picked this Nobody's really won since we all started taking memes as numbers just to troll them. Have you noticed that? No, I won the other member Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's not hard memes. I get just pick the number and then have the number come up

That makes sense. Let's try. So So So So So Thanks for watching!