Pardon My Take - SCF With Ryan Whitney, Paul Rabil In Studio, Nuggets Take G1, BloodSport Movie Review and Fyre Fest

Episode Date: June 2, 2023

The Nuggets dominate Game 1 and Heat Culture might be dead again. We talk about the NBA Finals and Adam Silver teasing a Ja Morant suspension (00:00:00-00:22:44). Ryan Whitney joins the show to talk SCF storylines and picks, Connor McDavid, what it's like to play for the Cup and more (00:22:44-00:49:49). Paul Rabil joins us in studio to talk about the PLL being back, new rule changes, teams moving and negotiations on a big potential interview (00:49:49-01:23:19). We do a movie review of Bloodsport and a deep dive into Frank Dux the guy plus fyre fest of the week (01:23:19-02:02:36).You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/PardonMyTake

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Welcome to Part In My Take. Today is Friday, June 2nd and it's Nuggets in 4. Nugs in 4.5. The Denver Nuggets. It was closer than it looked final score wise. 1-0-4-93. But they had control of this game from the first tip. I think we kind of expected it though. The heat obviously coming off a seven game series going straight from Boston to high altitude. Probably not the best setup to face a team that's been resting for like a week and a half. But that was bad news for the heat. It's interesting you brought up the altitude big cat because the heat stunk at shooting tonight. They had a bad performance. Max Truce 0 for 9. 0 for 9 from 3. 0 for 10. And Caleb Martin was also 1 for 7. Yeah. And Duncan Robinson 1 for 6. Basically everyone who was good against Celtics

turned into a pumpkin against the Nuggets. So I went deep. I went knuckles deep in some research studies. Billy football style. I dug deep into some actual journalistic papers here. Okay. There's a report or a study that was done by Harvard University. Ever heard of it. They compared how visiting players shoot free throws from and away at Denver and outside the Pepsi Center they shoot 76 percent at high elevation. They shoot 74.5 which is a big difference in free throw percentage. Now you look at a three point shot. I have to imagine if you're the heat coming from sea level ball flies a little bit further. Max Truce missed a lot of shots off the back iron. I give the MVP so far to air. Yeah. To air. Not just a movie. It's funny you bring

up free throws because the heat actually were 100 percent from the free throw line tonight. Two for two. Yeah. Two for two. The lowest amount of free throws attempted in an NBA finals game. It was just bad news for the heat. I still think the heat are going to be heard from in this series. I don't actually think Nuggets in four. But the fact that Yokech had a triple double and it was the most casual triple double. There was a moment I think it like maybe start of the fourth where he had like five or six field goal attempts. He finished eight for 12. He didn't even have to shoot and the Nuggets were able to dominate that game. And Jamal Murray continues his stretch of being like the best. Is he the best Robin going right now. He's definitely if he was on a team with

anybody except for Yokech everybody would talk about him being the finals MVP. Yeah. Because he's awesome. What do you have. He had six rebounds. I know he had 10 assists. Yeah. That's that was bad. I bet I'm not to get a triple double double double double double. It's whatever. But I do also have a bet on him to win finals MVP just in case he goes off a couple of games at plus a thousand. But he is the best Robin. He's the best. I would say they have the best one two three in the NBA right now. Yeah. The four out of five starters in double digits. It's like this is what the Nuggets have been all playoffs especially at home yet to lose a game at home in the playoffs. And it's not just Yokech. Everyone else is chipping in. It's what we've seen

like when we talked to Mike Malone last week or this week. Sorry. My weeks are all fucked up because isn't that crazy. Just a side tangent. You get one day off and you just lose concept of time. Yeah. Memorial Day fucks me up every year. I was preparing for hot seat cool thrown today. Yeah. It's just like it happens. And I just I don't know what day it is for the entire week. Yeah. One three day weekend screws us up. That's why Hank is always gone from his zone. Always yawning. Yeah. Oh wait. Hank. What do you think about that. That was a pretty good. That was Max. Yeah. Max. Yeah. No but the thanks for being here Max. Nuggets. The crazy thing about Nuggets is like Yokech has always been this good at least for

the last four or five years. It's the fact that everyone around him has been either injured or not great and now everyone around him is healthy and great. And so Yokech is still doing the same thing like he's been this dominant and this great for an extended period of time. But now he has a full team around him and they're seemingly unstoppable. I would say that watching a big man that can pass like Yokech is maybe my favorite thing in all of sports to watch. Yeah. I'm thinking through every single league a quarterback with just a cannon arm. That's fun to watch. A running. A great kick returner like Dante Hall. Devon Hester. Yeah. Those guys. But I actually think that watching a big man that is just throwing no look passes

over his head from the post down low. I think that's my favorite thing in all sports. We might have to do a maybe put this on the Mount Rushmore list. I mean a lefty a lefty homerun lefty homerun is good. Lefty homerun is sweet. You like. Yeah. Like move on. Schwarber. I mean just Schwarber homerun is just sort of the best. Yeah. But I mean a big a big chunky dude. Yeah. That has sick no look passes. That's got to be number one. Yeah. No. It's very high up there. So we're watching the game and a gut outfielder with a cannon for an arm. Yeah. That's like a guy who can throw from right field to third. Yeah. With no bounce. That's pretty fucking sick. Vladimir Guerrero for a couple of years. I'll just watch those and just be like holy fuck.

Those are fun to watch. We were talking to Iba works here at Barstool and he was telling me that Yokic was an awesome water polo player. Believe it. And it makes a ton of sense when you watch his passing like he passes like a water polo guy. Yeah. And given his love of horses he's probably the best two polo sport player in the world. I'd agree. Yeah. And basketball player and a basketball and the best basketball player in the world. It does feel and again this is obviously just after game one. So we will overreact a little bit but it feels like this is the crowning of Yokic as the best player in the entire world in the universe. Universe. He's the universally the best basketball player. He's the universal MVP. Yeah.

Not just limited to the United States. Now I did have a question for Hank. I'll field it for him. Well no we have we have Celtics fan Hank sitting right there. He did have a tweet that said that he was depressed about how the series against the heat ended and that he was convinced that the Celtics would have beaten the Nuggets in five. Yeah. I mean it is all about matchups in the NBA. The Celtics are probably the best team in the NBA if you really look at it position by position player by player. You know we ran into a heat team that was getting frisky at the right time but we're still a better team. We're a better team than Nuggets. We're a better team than everyone. If that was a nine game series you guys win that. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. You go on paper you're the

champs. Yeah. You win in an eight. That's I mean that's a spot to lie. Factor fiction. Factor fiction. Better team than everyone. Denver's also. Denver's just straight up bigger. They're just bigger boys. I mean Aaron Gordon like his defense and in what he adds to that team is is crazy because they do have in Michael Porter Junior's tall like they have just big guys. Yeah. It's it's funny watching the heat try to match up against the big guys because they don't they have they have Bam who's a big guy Asterix. He's big guy Jason. Yeah. He's like he's got long arms but he's not super tall. He's not a true center. Then they've got Cody Zeller who looks like he's a flea trying to write a buffalo when he's trying to defend Nikola Jokic. And then after that they don't really

have anybody else. And the and and the problem that he'd have in this series and like who knows maybe they'll start heat culture will rise back up. I do think that tonight like there was very little chance he could pull off a win tonight. Sunday night will be like they'll they'll throw as much as they have at the Nuggets some adjustments. But the heat zone defense which was great against Celtics. Jokic was built in a lab to beat his own. Like you have a big man who can stand at the foul line and can pass everywhere and can also shoot and like he can do everything. You can't there's like if the zone collapses on him he will always find the open player. So it's going to be interesting to see what slow comes up with. I do.

Do you think the heat. We never never made predictions. But I was thinking Nuggets in six Nugs and five five Nugs and five might feel because when I was thinking six the problem with six is that would be the Nuggets winning in Miami where I feel like the Nuggets yeah five feels right five. I think that they'll get one Jimmy Butler game. He'll go off for like 45 50 game three. Yeah Nuggets win game four. Then they close out in game. Then they close out at home. Yeah. Just won't age poorly. He cultures dead. We can say he cultures dead. He cultures officially dead. Yeah this will this will be replayed. I hope we make the Miami heat. Hype tape now when they win when they win this series in six. We're also going to have a completely

opposite take on failure when the heat lose the finals. This is a great season for all. There's an incredible they won the championship. Well I said it during the stream but there is a small part of me you know if you're a sports fan and you have to you're always having to like slip and slide through different arguments and try to figure out what your angles are. I wouldn't hate it if Spoe like ripped off like five or six titles in the next 10 years because I absolutely would say that he's the greatest NBA coach of all time and that's why LeBron won those titles. Yeah. So I am there is definitely a part of me that's a big Spoe fan being like go Spoe go win a bunch of titles without LeBron and then I will say that you're the

go. Yeah I mean Phil Jackson he had Michael Jordan. Okay. Anybody can win a title Michael Jordan. All who did Spoe have. All Spoe needs to do is win like what like eight more. What would it fill it up with. He went up with 11. Yeah. That's just a ridiculous amount of rings to have. We should put more respect on Phil Jackson's name. Sponi's win nine more. If he can win nine more titles then we could just say he's the greatest and that's why LeBron won. No but you could also play this game with Spoe where if if the heat keep getting to the finals with undrafted guys and even if they don't win you can just be like this is a bigger accomplishment making it this far through the Eastern Conference playoffs that it was winning six titles with Michael

Jordan Scottie Pippen on your team. Yeah true. Yeah I mean this is the let's just say it right now the best coaching job we've ever seen of all time. This this this playoff run win the title or not. Best coaching job we've ever seen. Incredible job. Did you see a step by the way that we we missed that we have to call out. Pat Riley has been part of 25 percent of all NBA finals. That's insane. That's not so that's insane. I also I love the shot whenever they show him in the crowd and it's him with the Lonzo morning. Yeah. And they're just sitting there looking like gangsters ready to take some people out on the court. Yeah. Pat Riley is a very underrated basketball guy because he's been behind the scenes for so long that he doesn't really give that many

press conferences anymore. We don't get to see him in action on the sidelines. Everybody thought actually for a while that he was calling the shots that he was essentially coaching the team. Yeah. When Spoe took over and Spoe was his his like figurehead. Yeah. But no Pat Riley turns out just he is he. He is. So 19 NBA finals from three as a player 10 as a coach six as an executive that's 25 percent of NBA finals league history. That's insane. He yeah. And it also is not to bring up bad things for the Knicks fans. It's a great what if because Pat Riley obviously leaves New York like what if he had just become you know he went upstairs New York. Obviously James Dolan is the biggest issue there. But like he he is the culture. Yeah. And he went to he and made

that culture. Yeah. They're going to get one at least. I'm still confident. Spoe nugs in five Oh no. Oh. They're talking about Spoe's going to get 10 more. 10 more titles. 10 more titles. Yeah. Greatest coach of all time. Not even close. I like squatting on that. Take just this comes purely out of defending Michael Jordan. I mean exactly. And in LeBron James like if you hit him with true serum he'd be like I barely knew how to play basketball before I met Spoe. That's I think we can all agree. What he went in college. No. Think about this way. Michael Jordan in college got shut down by Dan Dockage. Yes. Then in the NBA rattles off six. Yeah. Also won a title in college. Overlooking that. Yeah. Yeah. All right. One other thing before

we get to our interviews. Adam Silver just teasing us all with John Moran. Wild wild tease where he said he they released a statement saying we've uncovered a fair amount of additional information. We probably could have brought it to a head by now but we made the decision that it would be unfair to these players and these teams to announce that decision in the middle of this series. So he's announcing that there is a decision but it won't be announced yet. A fair amount of information. How many more more hands there's more Instagram stories and guns. Yes. He's got he's I would actually imagine that he probably like got put onto just like a hype tape of John Moran with guns. Well so would it be worse if it was multiple guns. I think it'd be

way worse if it was more if you just had one gun that he really loved that he couldn't give up. It's like it's big. Yeah you get that it's emotional support gun exactly like that's totally understandable if you have a different gun like people have different hats. Yeah that they take out they like look at themselves in the mirror now I'm going to take the 45 today. Yeah today feels more like a 50 cal. But this is like so he's not we don't want to take away from the NBA finals but we're going to announce that something severe is going to happen after the NBA finals. So please just don't talk about it during the NBA finals even though it's very vague right now and leaves it open to interpretation where everyone can talk about

it for the next two weeks. I know what this is. This is this is the NBA promoting Oppenheimer. John Moran is going to be an Oppenheimer building an atomic bomb. He's in the movie. Yeah that'd be great if John Moran was in the background with his gun. Yeah. No with the bomb. Yeah. He's on the plane. He's going live on the Goliage. And he wasn't actually casting the movie. He just happened to be where they were filming. Yeah he's like I brought my bomb. Yeah. Oh I heard you guys had a bomb movie. Let me let me go to my car real quick. I do think the NBA finals is very similar to Oppenheimer. We both know how it's going to end. Yes the history has already been written. Yes that is true. The Nuggets will win. The Nuggets I will retire

from this podcast. No don't do that. At some point at some point. Yeah at some point. Okay that was scary. That my life flashed before my eyes. I will retire. How quick do you think Billy would be like oh actually I can move to Chicago. He's already got this clip. Weird. I now I now I'm ready to go. Packs are packed. I will not retire no matter what you guys say but I will I will give up all my integrity. I will relinquish my integrity as a sports journalist. That's fair. As a dean of the Medeal School of Journalism I will give that all up and you won't know ball. Yeah I won't know ball. Officially ball not know or if the Nuggets don't win. Okay that will hold me to it. Accountability. Oh I will anytime you say anything I'm just like

but you don't know ball. I'll get a ball removed. Oh okay I'll get a ball removed cosmetically. Yeah. Yeah if the Nuggets do this. You're gonna test the ball removed. Yep. Okay that's a that's a really dumb bet. It's not a bet. It's just a fact. With yourself. Yeah with yourself. I shouldn't have said that. No definitely not. You can carry it away sometimes on this show. There's something about what happens. You sit down in the studio and you say stuff and then you instantly regret it and then big cat tells you wait be careful don't say that and then you're like okay good point big cat and then you catch your breath and you say something dumber. Yeah yeah it makes the tattoo bet kind of pale in comparison now.

That tattoo. Maybe I'll get a tattoo of just one ball. No you know what you should do. All right let's clean this up. You're not gonna get a test school removed. If the heat do win this series you have to get a tattoo of a basketball and then get it removed. Okay yeah yeah yeah I'll get a ball removed. Okay that's fair. That's totally fair. It's the pain of just getting a tattoo for like one week and then immediately getting it removed. I gotta let it set in for a while. Show it off. Yeah yeah. If I get the ball on my bicep I gotta get the prayer hands underneath it too. We should actually get all of the balls and puck on our like somewhere on our body and then when you fuck up with a take you get it removed. That's a great idea. Well we're just everyone who's

on pardon my take has to have the same tattoo just a soccer ball and we see who the smartest is. Yeah basketball football baseball. We'll throw in tennis. Fuck it. I'll have that removed like in two seconds. Actually you know I know the most about tennis. The joke of it is the goat and I've been right all along. Yeah there's so many balls out there you could get. Yeah rugby ball. Billiards. Ooh you'd have to get all of them. Yeah we'd have to collect all the balls. All the billiards ball. Bochi. Bowling ball. Bowling ball yeah. I think you have to earn the balls and then you have the right to remove. Yeah the puck I stick to yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I'm a five ball. I'm in. I'm in. Fuck it. Just being like the cutest little tattoo on your ankle. We do ankle ankle tattoos.

Like what's the word are you in. We got tramp stamps. All balls. All right. I might just get one of my balls tattooed to look like a basketball. That would be cool. Yeah. The lines. Yeah. Okay. Let's get to our interviews. We've got two great ones. We've got Ryan Whitney and Paul Rable. Before we do Ryan Whitney this episode apart my take is presented by Duracell. Few sports are more technically demanding than auto racing because of those standards. Williams Racing only trusts one branded disposable batteries. Duracell you may not think you need the same batteries to help power William Racing until you do. That's because Duracell is engineered for more in a proud partner of Williams Racing and pardon my take. I'm a Duracell man. I need Duracell

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recurring guest in number one history. I think so. I think you are officially we have to do the analytics but you were like second or third four years ago and you come on like three or four times a year so you have to have like gone past everyone else. So you're just going on two or three years ago. I mean I don't know that's not that doesn't sound very analytics to me. It sounds like you're just guessing but I'll take it. Yeah. I think you're number one. I you might be ever since Titus came on the show and said all those nasty things and we had to stop inviting him on. You just gave him his own show. Yeah we gave him his own show so we didn't have to have him on anymore. All right so it is Ryan Whitney our number one recurring guest. We wanted to have him on

because we have been talking a lot of basketball. A lot of basketball talk on PMT. We got to talk some hockey. Sell us on this Stanley Cup final because not us. We're puck heads. You know that but from the average fan outside who maybe isn't the biggest hockey fan there like Florida and Vegas who the fuck cares. Well I feel like those people are probably too dumb to get to get through to at this point. Like if based on whoever the teams are you're not even going to watch. I mean it's kind of hard to get those people's attention and have them give it a legit chance but for any hockey fan that's enjoying watching the highest level playing for the best trophy that's the hardest to win in sports you know that these two teams should produce pretty entertaining games

and they're both very similar. The fact that neither one of them has a Stanley Cup. I think it's kind of exciting especially with all the teams that we've had kind of run through the past what seems like 10 15 years with the Penguins Blackhawks Kings etc to win multiple titles but the hockey is going to be good because they're mean. They're they're they're physical and they're kind of proving that as much as the games changing throughout the regular season with skill and lack of physicality and sometimes boring regular season games because of maybe not the fights and the things that the fans really do did enjoy the playoffs are still a man's game for a lack of a better term. It's like it's two teams that basically beat the shit out of whoever they play against.

They've just bullied every team they played against. Vegas has huge D so it's old school hockey. It's hard to get to the net. Florida's got the best American born player right now and Matthew could chuck so that should hopefully get some eyeballs and Eichel as well as just like high level American players. So those are the two stars for each team. So there's a bunch of great story lines for hockey fans and French fans but people who are just saying I'm not watching based on I don't really care about these two teams. They're out of the question. Yeah. The Stanley Cup final it's like you said it's the best trophy in sports for those of us who've been lucky enough to hoist the Stanley Cup. It's a time that you won't forget and something that your entire town won't

forget. And if you look at the Panthers I didn't realize this but at the end of the season they almost didn't even get into the playoffs. They had to have the Pittsburgh Penguins lose on the last day of the regular season for them to sneak in which is a crazy run. So yeah kind of to your point of the regular season doesn't mean as much. You guys are turning the NBA actually. Oh you guys are doing load management in the regular season and just get into the playoffs and then you can flip the switch. You don't even have to watch hockey until February. No load management. It's the game has changed. The men above the men in the suits have changed the game. There's just a less physical factor a smaller physical factor to hockey now which is also a good thing. I mean

you're seeing like like smaller players become superstars. You're seeing the fastest game the fastest the game's ever been. So there's definitely some positive sides to it. But for people who like old school hockey the regular season change. But for just for you to say it's the players doing the load management. No no no no no no no no. They're just they're just not the type of players to get in the league anymore. The physical ones. Listen I will watch every second of the Stanley Cup final because how can you not. It's the best. But you have to listen. You are an ambassador of the game. You got to understand if you can change one mind you've done your job. So like pitching this Stanley Cup finals important. Would you say though with these playoffs have

not been the best because yeah second and third round sweeps. I know the stars made a little bit of a series of that but then got absolutely dumped trucked in game six. Like it feels like it's the first round was exceptional and then the last two rounds have not maybe been up to fully par for the Stanley Cup playoffs. No doubt. And unfortunately I mean people always say and I agree that the NHL Stanley Cup playoffs are like the best postseason around. And the first round like now is the past few years especially more than ever have become must watch TV must watch games. They're out of control. The action. The games going seven. It's crazy. There's four games at night. It seems like but I think guys are just going so hard. And just the first round is such a

battle that they're kind of gasped out the second and second round. The second round seems to be the worst round a lot. And then the conference finals it rears back up. This year was disappointing. Right. You got a sweep on one side. You got what is it. What was it a gentleman. It wasn't a sweep. It wasn't a sweep. We should just sorry. Rod Brentmore said Rod Brentmore did say it was not a sweep. It shows a sweep. It wasn't a sweep. Loser talk. But yeah it was it was they weren't the most competitive conference finals. But I think that the cup will be awesome. I think the cup like a lot of Vegas is the favorite. And I kind of understand why. But if Bobrovsky's playing like this like Sergei Bobrovsky who I think Charles Barkley called him Sergei Bobopchuk

Bobopchuk something hilarious on TNT. He's a big hockey guy though. But if he continues to play like this I don't know if they can be beat. I don't think they can be beat. He's I think he's 11 and two in the playoffs with this insane save percentage and goals against and he's in one of those zones. That's the one thing I'm worried about for the Panthers is I think if they could have chose once they swept it once they finished the conference finals they probably would have said we'll play in two nights. We'll play the third night and give us two nights off because what they had going. So 10 days off I think it's the second longest break between conference final and and cup final. That could kind of maybe kill what they had going. I don't think it will but that's

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go after this and just get like run over by a car too like this is just you're killing me here but it's very very emotional. I just remember in the room like everyone's just kind of breaking down at different moments and you're just so close to your dream we lost at home too. We won a triple overtime maybe double overtime game five we were down with a minute to go Max Talbot tied it up we won an overtime double overtime and then we're going back we're like all right we got you know we got this series let's go three two going home and Detroit put on a clinic and then just to hear them celebrating and it was it was it was soul crushing I mean it was definitely the worst loss of my career and that's including the gold medal game I think just that's a quick

tournament and and that's heartbreaking as well so I've been I've been on some special losers but you just work all year and we ran through the Eastern Conference that year I think we swept Ottawa we beat the Rangers in five and Philly in five I think we I think we had 14 games to get to the cup final and then Detroit was still playing Dallas when we were done and they ran through them and they had a legendary team so you know they they ended up getting them the next year after hosts even left Pittsburgh to go to Detroit I was Gonzo that's probably why they won they got Chris Kunitz but I do remember just being so crushed and granted that you know the next night you're hanging out with the guys and you're not over it but still appreciate what a great run it was but

right the immediate aftermath it's it's it was crushing. Wait so you had a rest first rust right like you guys were off for it wasn't that bad we didn't because I think they wanted six and we wanted five so it wasn't like this I think it was maybe six days but I don't think against Detroit that year it could have been a quick break or a long break they were just that loaded and ready to win another one and you had a foot injury too so like right after the season's over you were like hey it maybe it's time for some time off just so you guys know I had a foot injury that whole time yeah yeah I just I just want to be like an NBA or come out and just let you guys know what I've been struggling with this entire time getting yeah getting surgery now wait so what is it like though

like six days off when you're on a run like that like it's so fun and and and I'm sure it's changed but Biz always talks about the guys on LA he knows when they won their cups they were finishing out series early too and we were through the east as I mentioned and we were ripping it up like well you know we're having bangers just unreal nights at the bar everyone's getting after it because you knew you know and then you get back on the rink the next day maybe skate the next day and I just remember you know going through that run and and having the break towards the cup final we definitely celebrated after we won the east and then it's just the excitement you're on the ice every day it's June it's like the whole hockey world watching you there's a hundred reporters at

every practice leading up to it and the excitement leading in and then I'll never forget we started in Detroit game one and got out there for warm-ups and the place is like I don't know 80 full the music's rocking and there is the Stanley Cup final logo in the middle of the ice and throughout the playoffs each series and and round feels important but that was like on steroids it was just the vibe and the energy in the building you could feel it like this is different than those other three I'll never forget that and we talked about we didn't score a goal in game one or game two we got rolled too much rest yeah we talked about about the the playoff speed last time you were on the show about the difference is there a difference even between playoff speed and Stanley Cup final

speed yeah I think so or maybe it was the fact that Detroit was that good and far and away the best team we'd faced and they were that fast with and without the puck but yeah it was it was a jump up which kind of leads me to like the first round's nuts like I mentioned and then you know the grind of the playoffs second round third round they're a little tired this year wasn't great but then you're always right back fired up like this is now it four games away what's so what's your official pick we're golden nights podcast by the way just so I picked I picked Florida which is great for Vegas because I haven't picked Florida one series I picked ever I picked Boston I picked Toronto I picked Carolina but now I'm at the point of like alright something special is going on here and the goal

tending and like what could Chuck's doing it's just leading me to think they'll somehow get it done but I was open on chicklets I'm not confident at all okay that all right so other things we've got to clean up from the playoffs Connor McDavid's a bum wrong did he win is he playing is he is he still playing is he on the night he ran it he ran into a great Vegas Golden Knights team he was very adamant that next season Stanley Cup or it's a complete failure again I'm going to keep back in the best player I've ever seen so I don't know what you want me to tell you he's not a bum they need some more guys around him I want him to get some hardware I think you said he was the best player in any sport in the world yeah and he's got zero zero rings zero

Stanley Cup finals so who's the best player in the NBA Nikola Jokic yeah he's about to get why he didn't I thought he didn't win MVP did he only because he won so many that they got tired of giving it to him yeah he won two the last three years all right so if he wins it then then you can take you can give him the best athlete in the world but you guys just troll my McDavid comments and you're always coming after him and we're breaking records and he's doing things that haven't been done in about 40 years in the NHL he's joining the list that Gretzky Lemieux every season he's hopping on these lists with them I don't know what you want me to tell you you need 20 guys to win a Stanley Cup you know what list he should hop on is the one where they engrave it on

that big cup hey if his career ends and he doesn't win a Stanley Cup I will bow down to you guys as being incorrect in terms of Conor McDavid's greatness but I'm not jumping off the fence before the guy's 28 years old or whatever he is right he's 27 well I bet on him I told you I bet on them and this is a perfect river you bet on everyone I'm gonna bet on him again next I'm very much looking forward to when he actually bowing down to us that's going to be 26 he's 26 okay so he's getting a little old yeah yeah when you hit your prime as a hockey player I would I would say it's 25 to 29 those four years so he's one year in he's got to do it quick because then if he's in his 30s we'll just say well it was you know other people on the team he's ring chase he was a long

maybe then he'll get a real team around him as he's a little older takes a little less money and then he wins about four we'll see I did I'll admit we are trolling uh watching him play hockey is incredible I mean can you not at least say yeah I know nuts but he still hasn't won anything like I can't give him all the credit until he's a winner but he is out of this world like it is crazy watching him play because he looks like he's playing a different sport than everyone else on ice that was yeah that's my point it's nuts and yes you're right you gotta win a title to be considered the best of all time or one of them but watching him like night in and night out he's just it looks like a different league it looks like an alien on the ice like I

you take the the tv's on fast forward he's cutting back cutting in he's now he's like leading the league in goals this year it's it's I'm not I'm my heart rate's going up all right so yeah throwing us in that will help it um oh I need one of those in twelves you got from Qatar yeah the nines yeah they're they're powerful the market over here it's like people probably jones in for nines or twelves nines if you if you take one of those you just start instantly sweating and giving I got the great experience I get the hiccups when I throw two you ever get one a package that's like must have been like mismanaged at the lab and it just cripples you I'm like what the hell is that you know what I you know what I like to do with I like to play

a zin roulette where I take one of the nines and then I mix it in with a bunch of threes and then I never know when I'm going to get the nine I like that I like that yeah it keeps you fresh a little bit you were talking a second ago about that big Vegas D talk to me about how big their D is oh funny PFT going with the dick joke haha well we are we're fans of Alec Martinez he's our guy he's he's big D did you guys rip on him or something and he's no no we we did we did a preview of the of the NHL playoffs and it was maybe 30 seconds long and we just said stupid things about each city then we found out that he's a listener and he was disappointed that we trashed Vegas so we're trying to make it up to him and I have ripped on him because

he did score that goal against the Blackhawks in 2014 the game seven overtime goal but now that I know that he's a listener we are a Golden Knights podcast we're that easy well when we talk about the big D in Vegas he's actually I think the smallest one and they're all like you know Petrangelo's six three we got McNabs about six six Theodore six four he's sick I think he's six one like two tenths still and I believe he I think he's the all-time record holder of block shots in the NHL like that that could be completely incorrect wait just wait memes just said fact checked it yes correct oh nice okay I got one right but it's just that's kind of what they they're blocking shots they're hard to play against so that's the big D I'm talking about not where

your mind headed to the gutter I wasn't talking about that what about the big peas the Brooks Skepka's beloved peas the guys boy yeah yeah I'm sorry for your loss I know how much that pains you that Brooks is the best golfer in the world I shouldn't say it pains me like I'm I'm amazed at how nasty he is at golf I just I feel like you're the you're the guys that he's like oh I'll be cool to them and then he treats people that he doesn't know he just don't know they don't know but I've always been open and I've never met him right so I'm a talking head dogging him when I dog him but I've never once said anything about the golf game he's an assassin it's a joke out there so watching domination as I talk about McDavid I enjoy it seems to me without knowing him

no a little bit of a dickhead no but I've said nice things about him so there he blows you no yes blow him idiot big difference happy pride we haven't gotten blown by him yet that's big D we're still waiting you know you you were no I didn't even know I didn't know you had bet him great bet I looking back you'll never sniff that guy again at plus 25 like he's not doing that after what he did at the Masters yeah I do want to find out he won't share I think he wouldn't maybe with your you guys you guys are all but buddies but he said he knew exactly what he messed up Sunday at Augusta and it'll never happen again but he won't share it it's the pace no he was doing it did you watch him in the in the PGA championship he was walking extra slow

so that no one ahead of him could hold him up because he was bitching after the Masters about how slow guys were playing yeah and the way he plays he plays so fast where he just gets up to the ball and hits it so he was walking up the fairway in the PGA championship super deliberate and super slow so that every time he got to the ball he was ready to go that was what he didn't want to share with the other reporters yeah well he didn't even share with us I just figured out because that like we know him so well we're like yeah you guys are so tight I do yeah as a goal as a golf not it's it's insane and how fast he plays is pretty sick but nobody calls the Panthers the peas I'm sorry I don't know he's now called them the peas but and and less people in Florida

that are doing meth living in the side of a uh a crack house like calling the peas I've never heard that in my life Jake well Jake released a shirt that is uh very political it just says GOPS uh so the GOPs uh it's I think Jake's on this zoom maybe one of the worst shirts we've ever released go peas hey Jake had you ever heard that t-shirt before Brooks Kepka no okay all right and you know people on twitter are calling them that what it spreads a lot of people are calling them that no no I don't big cat as a as Kepka's best friend even you can admit the no he was on one when he said peas he was drunk I call him the peas now no it was during a pga press conference yeah he said I'm gonna go watch the he had his mind right he said I'm gonna go home and watch the

peas exactly he said it before he said it before that was the second time he called yeah yeah he said it during the tournament yeah no he was drunk then too I'm calling him the peas that's the trick to winning the pga being ice cold just get buckled yeah I mean he came on our show drinking out of the water maker on the show it was awesome but yeah the peas no one says the peas you know what I do like their rat tradition though where they throw the rats onto the ice yeah I looked it up Ariana Grande getting hit by a puck tradition yeah I like that that's another cool story of how the rats began yeah I was gonna say it but you can probably tell it better than I can uh yeah I mean if you if you looked it up I I I think I have it right but in 96 when they ended up going to their

first day on the cup final they got swept by the abs but I think that year there was rats like in their old building or wherever they were and one of the guys on the team actually killed one with a stick and like the story grew so all of a sudden on this playoff run every goal they're chucking rats on the ice they had to basically get rid of the tradition I still think you can't do it after a goal scored maybe they've changed it for the maybe they'll change it for the finals there's a legendary picture though Patrick Woggett scored on him in the finals for Colorado and he just like ducks back into the net as thousands of rats are falling down yes no it's great so yeah that's pretty much the story was Scott Mellonby so it was it was in the locker room and Mellonby

grabbed a stick and hit it with a slap shot against the wall and then later on that night he scored two goals so Van Beasburg called it a rat trick and then the next night they started throwing rats on the ice it is a cool tradition I like that weird shit in NHL like when they do it in uh in Detroit with the octopi octopuses yeah it's the best um all right I have one last question for you with row back question promo code take rhoback.com promo code take qzips joggers polos hoodies shorts shorts are back it is summer row back I just bought a pair bought a pair didn't get them for free bought a pair they are so comfortable row back dot com use promo code take uh my last question for you is how long do you think it will take for Conor Bedard to be better than Conor

mcdavid a year I don't think I don't think he can be I'm gonna say it well that's what if he wins a cup I mean I could throw out names of guys who want a cup I want a cup like that doesn't necessarily mean you're a better player but yeah we're a ring podcast okay okay well I don't know what okay so I still don't think it can happen because looking at how bad the Blackhawks are they look horrible but what if Conor Bedard's that good I think he's going to be incredible and I think he'll be a future superstar but I think mcdavid's like once every 20 years type guy I mean I don't see if Bedard is better than mcdavid then it's only good for spitting chair guts because hockey's gonna continue to grow but I don't see it happening then mcdavid should have to change his first name if he's

if Bedard's better you think so there's maybe one of them drops an N and just has one N in Conor yeah wait you have to acknowledge that saying that it's not possible to be better than Conor mcdavid is uh that's wishful thinking on your part yeah it is possible it's possible Wemben Yanma's gonna be the best player of all time uh yeah I just think for what was discussed in terms of mcdavid I mean they've both been talked about since they were like 13 years old in terms of like future upcoming um prodigies in the game but I just think mcdavid is is that good I think this kid could be incredible like maybe right beneath them I'm just sorry boys I don't agree with you what do you say I'll take right beneath them

I'll take right beneath them that's fine you were saying that's impossible to be better at hockey than Conor mcdavid no I'm not saying it's impossible you asked me if he would be better and I said I don't think so okay I'm not saying someday there won't be somebody better than him but I don't they have to be Conor Badard I mean if kichuk wins a ring or if Alec Martinez wins another ring he's better than Conor mcdavid yeah Zach Whitecloud if the Vegas Golden Knights win it then he's better than mcdavid I'm with you I have one last last question for you you guys I don't know your schedule for chicklets are you guys going back and forth from Miami to Vegas so business at every game because TNT has the broadcast for the first time they got the finals which will be great

they're the you know their crew does an unreal job so he'll be back and forth to every game I think we'll be at game four in Florida and game game three in Florida I believe I won't be down there for three and then game five in Vegas okay because I was gonna say if it's if it's you biz and r.a. pray for my liver you're going going back and forth between Vegas and Miami that's like the spit and chicklets Iron Man triathlon for you guys yeah that I mean if we see r.a. after that one it's a miracle who gets eliminated first the Panthers the Golden Knights or r.a. that's the question r.a. for sure that's a good question he ain't making it four games no definitely not um all right well wait you are the best thank you so much for fitting us in and uh we'll talk again

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ring sizes right so PFT oh no looks like we don't have rings yet well we were debating this because the rings are made but doesn't sound like they're these are my favorite gifts where it's like we have all the players given to the owners before the players is would have caused a little bit of destruction well we paid for them as owners yeah but you know what type of precedent does that set owners are usually last to get it uh do you watch sports because usually usually what happens is they present the trophy to the owner yeah right after the Super Bowl right after the we needed to get players in here also get you guys to I think week three in Fairfielder where we're giving the rings out okay we're also unprecedented owners because and the team is unprecedented it's the

worst team of all time to win a championship I have a I have a photo of the rings early photo okay let me see is there a dog on it yeah of course Max won't want that one all right there you go oh those are icy I like them I like them they got shades of purple that's nice obviously you guys will have your name on them I don't think we discussed numbers though so I don't I don't know that numbers are coming to to be fair for those listening it took about three months to get big yeah he has a ring size yeah I think I just get checking in I'm I'm a co-founder league and and you're guys admin yeah I think I think I told big cat just uh normal yeah I was like regular hands no I think I just I said I think the text I sent you I was like uh give me a 13 and

pft a 12 right so hopefully they fit if they don't they'll be necklaces we ordered three in different sizes so you guys will just so Hank gets one Hank should Hank's an owner Hank should get one yeah I need to double check on that yeah he should get one did you forget about Hank well no no we just we were getting RJ yeah we're getting the works and Billy football and Jake and they were all asking no that that everyone's been asking guess what now I don't want my right it's well it's dude this is getting one if we're just handing them out to everyone well yeah well that's the thing it's it's it's your guys checkbook yeah it's true that's true that's true all right so PLL season five we're very excited uh you've been very busy though I feel like you so you bought

MLL we bought MLL a couple of seasons ago explain but but explain how like what's happened in the past year with PLL you guys have been doing great like you know ESPN which also happened last year year before like where's where's the PLL overall in your vision yeah and what the expectations are yeah because we we were walking back here and there's our fifth season and ahead of our first season is when I first came on the show we were talking about the history of professional lacrosse so there was a league that I played in major league lacrosse we ended up buying them in 2020 end of 2020 after the pandemic and and then integrated one of their teams the Boston canons to the cannons but reason we say that is our fifth season at least on air with ESPN we call back to

25 years of pro lacrosse history which is valuable because if we look at the NBA finals going on there's always comparison to players in the 80s versus players now and teams with X amount of championship so we get to benefit from that some are saying not me but some are saying you bought that just so that they could play Paul Rabel highlights that that's what some are saying some are saying that some are saying that because that just triggered in my brain it's like because I had a few highlights in PLL we have 25 years of history of when I was the best lacrosse player in the world interested yeah and let's make sure that runs on air yeah and I'm being booked for halftime segment listen I would do the same thing if I were you so smart box do another uh I don't have a

fucking podcast all right it'd be on halftime on ABC the top 10 goals and in lacrosse history oh wow number seven oh that's five I'm pretty sure I actually did this this past weekend during the college final four I was like you know in 2007 when we played duke we were up six to one and we ended up winning that game so that this game reminds me of that one how many titles did you win and it uh johns hopkins two two that's nice three not in the works we went to a third and we lost oh wait was that the last one yeah it was the last one oh shit yeah do you think about that one more than you do the wins I I well when I was playing I would say I do that's very that's very athlete rhetoric yeah you to bring up think about the

losses more than I do but it's also true yeah is it I mean yeah I was I watched you guys during the playoffs both hockey and the NBA you guys you guys feel it right yeah when someone loses you're like mother fuck yeah Hank Hank's probably best to answer that one because he's had two game seven losses against eight seeds at any point in your career have you lost in the semifinals uh I don't think so never quarter finals quarters quarters yes quarters are we say are like the biggest game to win in college because you get on to this disproportionate stage or the final right there's like 60 000 people yeah never touch that all right when you after you lost did you think a did you have any interest in the game afterwards like did you care about

watching the game afterwards and two did you just think you would have beat the team that you would have been playing yeah you mean if you lose in the semis yeah but even the quarters even the next round I mean are you gonna be I'm gonna watch this game are you like fuck this I have no interest whatsoever yeah I mean think about so Penn State lost in the semis to Duke and the NCAA doesn't have replay on any coach's challenge or end of or end of game and so the Duke players foot was all over the crease and so the the goal should have been disallowed but because they don't replay they moved on it was like the World Cup in 2010 when France played Ireland and got through and Ireland was out and so if you're Penn State I mean you're living the rest of your

life especially those seniors basically answering that question as we got host what what now it's going along the same hypothetical what if you in the semis lost by 20 at home would you go out and then be like oh we definitely would have won the title right right yeah we match up right against that team than this team right yeah it's fun to do I mean Hank Hank tweeted that you know the the Celtics would have beat the Nuggets in five I agree if the if the Bulls had beaten the heat they would have won the title no straight up I think Hank's right like the Celtics would have dominated the Nuggets I would have changed my bet I would have been on the Celtics if the wizard had won 55 games this year they would have won the title that's also a fact yeah possible these are all

right you just never know you never know once you get so so semi-finals they would have been favored I don't I don't know what you want me they would not have been they would have been favored they would not absolutely not because they were not favored before the game seven so they would not have been I'm gonna get Vegas on the line and get a hypothetical line so the Nuggets are minus 210 before game seven so yeah they would not have been what are you guys thinking about they could have been playing the heat what do you think about Darryl Morey's hypothetical when he's like you know there's basically eight players in the NBA and you have to make a move at one of them and your chances to win a final is like greater than yeah 50% yeah

it's probably true but the the eight players they do change there's addition subtraction so the eight player list every single year so it's either that if you want to win now or you just basically have to get lightning in a bottle in the draft yeah well that's why this is why I love basketball is that the best players the ball's in their hand the whole game right they're on the floor lacrosse is more like hockey where you know you can't really anticipate the flow of the game and then you have to change in game your style of play the coaching in basketball you can count on x amount of possessions x amount of shots and and that is to me as a fan it's more debatable more exciting because you get to see those guys those stars every game do well or play shitty

yeah I mean if you go back in NBA history I think the old the last time a team won a title where they didn't have a top 10 guy was probably the pistons and that team was just very good overall when when they beat the Lakers yeah like every other iteration it was pretty fucking no no the no the 2004 Wallace oh right no Isaiah was top 10 yeah I'm talking about the one that beat the Lakers at the end of the week so yeah that's a guy who had a mid-range rip Hamilton was Sean Prince but that's kind of yeah that's kind of it like every other title team that you look at like they had one of those guys yeah was the best player or the top 10 play and that piston team probably had players number like 11 through 16 right as a team they were great yeah but they

didn't have anybody the top 10 yeah right yeah all right so we do have to talk about the city model that you're now introducing so I just assume the water dogs are gonna be Chicago well that's part two of progress so we've gone from six to eight teams we've gone from NBC to ESPN we have new sponsors on board we announced last week that we were taking our eight teams to home cities next year and what are the huge one right yeah how do you guys feel about you know sports especially at the pro level and their association with a home market it's yeah and you were smart the way you did it because I think you can't build we've seen it with some of the spring football leagues like it's hard to just day one be like oh this is your team now you like it yeah now you

guys have some history if you get that wrong then you're moving people around right monopoly board so what are the cities do you do we know the cities we we know some okay can we do a city reveal we cannot do can we do a half city review well I saw the segment this week around you guys wanting the dogs in Chicago well no it's not really a one it's more like a demand well as owners we can also just move the team to Chicago yeah right technically not we have a bidding process that we've yet to disclose to ownership groups so that's coming from me to you okay and so there's how much money can we pay you do you know how Chicago politics essentially we can rig the bidding process I'll get Lori on the line yeah okay she's got right well politics talk okay so a stadium is important

done done great soldier field is going to be empty soon yeah I asked um players to send a rider could be indoors yeah could it be indoors no stands so I love indoors could be like a like the maybe shrink the field a little bit to like a middle school basketball gym just off the top of my head with a golf simulator and one of the ends that guys can maybe run into we would also have a full fledged media apparatus built in yes right next to the field yeah oh my gosh we should just do this this is this is new PMT studios doubles as water dogs home field advantage yeah when you come play the water dogs it's actually a three on three game do you well you guys have a pool uh no well you guys have a shower yeah we guys have um they they asked for uh they asked for handy the players we

can cut all these guys and find guys that don't demand shit I have a sauna do they want a sauna they love a sauna okay yeah I'll that's actually that's actually on the list um they want unconditional love nope absolutely not that's a deal can there be one condition what's the condition if they win yeah they get unconditional love yes if they're winners they win all their games back to back any loss you lose the unconditional off the table yeah owners have to go to every game that's also a no even even when you live and podcast from yeah yeah yeah that's also still can't guarantee don't you have like a one weekend that's like opening week of the NFL I might miss that one well no we'll do owners representative this weekend yeah owners we'll have an owner on ABC

yeah we'll have an owner's representative of each game okay great that's fair great okay what's the starting goalie's name a dillon word he will be our owner's representative he'll be at every easy that was so easy done congrats dillon you're an owner weight room sure yep okay great um Stella blue coffee that felt like pandering to me done that's done that no problem as much as they want call of duty playstation grass field instead of turf how about hardwood yeah hardwood is going to be probably clear that might be on a basketball court deal break beautiful sound sound like a bunch of horses so we're halfway there yeah we're halfway there so so this is exciting though so how

eight cities and then what's it gonna are there gonna be home games are you guys still gonna play no we're keep yes so there's home games we're keeping the touring model because we're still building overall attendance and viewership and such so basically what it looks like is you will host a home game in your market and then you know each team gets to do that over the 10 regular season games and then there's two availability markets to expand to nice and then playoffs and championship will probably fall in home markets of the teams that are winning okay so are the teams that are like in the home market let's say hypothetically just toss this out there maybe the water dogs are in chicago right they're gonna live in chicago they're gonna practice in chicago

yes i would love the players to get to their home markets there's gonna be probably a transitional phase that we're gonna figure out with our players because they don't know as much as we do where they're gonna end up we're still figuring out that we announced it early so that we could engage with our audience learn more date from more data that's coming in from ESPN to Ticketmaster Live Nation talk to a bunch of people including our players around okay the prospect of hypothetically water dogs go to chicago who's down to live there what is that be an intern at barstool sports get our coffee that kind of thing that that kind of thing could be could be a full team of interests that kind of thing so there we go we're this is two birds with one stone right here yeah so i

any of them want to nanny my kids boom like we could get all the problems so designated drivers on the weekend could be a water we will put them to work yeah so okay so my my side so we really you know that's criteria you want our get our owners engaged yeah we're engaged that's what they work with their players in market mm-hmm running youth across programs then i'll be engaged how about that okay that's good to know yeah okay what about markets that are that are non-starters for the dogs oh uh st louis right yeah i think we said we're never gonna go to st louis that's not just our mount rushmore cities will never go about washington yeah washington dc would love it yeah absolutely you guys support the dogs in dc yeah i'll also throw out another one that uh if

if not chicago we would move to oakland and be the kings of oakland because they've lost every team in the last like five years yeah big mark we wouldn't actually do anything but we would just say that we brought it what about california just call it california we can move up and down the state oh the california water dogs we would we could like buy a one bedroom apart in california yeah california water so we have california washington dc chicago yeah what else you know san diego york it's all their teams taking from them too what about honolulu honolulu would be awesome i i'm gonna throw one out there as well in this like i think we can we we haven't discussed it but we would definitely be down with a youngstown ohio water dogs capital

of grit okay mystery water dogs yeah mystery water dogs you don't know where they are no alaska oh yeah okay that too play their games at like 3am yeah i mean our mascot is kind of like a uh a husky anyways isn't it mystery yeah just the american water dogs all of the country's ours the american water dogs we yep that's a catchall who's our big rival this the snakes the whip snakes i fucking hate them move them to the sentinleese islands put them that's their home home state right and what about what about so we're probably a good guess for lacrosse fans someone who watched mll would say the cannons are going to be in boston and then what else do you ever watch the boston cannons of course my man growing up do you want

love the game maybe maybe we can do on the other three of your favorite canon players you know what i kind of like peter you line all rable there's one he also told me he really he was a mad rambo he was a big mad rambo fan uh big kevin bue cannon fan and ryan boil yeah who holds our games with jake okay yeah yeah so there's three right there you you know what you should do and this is just like i'm being serious here you if we're you're doing the city model it would actually be advantageous to do something like they used to do in like the nba way back in the day where it's regional draft so like if chicago got the water dogs they get at least one Notre Dame player every year you know what i mean like yeah so you keep that connection yeah and this may be me trying to get both kavanaugh

brothers but that's fine i'm willing to do that what are you guys saying about drafts in general i like them when they're rigged yeah yeah we get first pick every year the difference between american pro sports and just call it like global football is the draft because without the draft you can just acquire players when they're young in a certain year academies yeah or even in college and i think now with nil happening the way it does that i i would push the nba to move in that direction and the nfl the nba easier than the nfl because it's all like the contact and how difficult it is to play in the nfl but if you kill a draft you can just start acquiring these players that are superstars when they're 16 anyway yeah have you thought about doing a snake draft yes snake

draft also i mean we just get rid of a draft there's only eight teams it's not it's not it's not as like it's not 31 teams you have to go 31 up 31 down eight is eight is reasonable also eight is reasonable and eight and eight allows us to grow the awareness and the and the uh the wage profile of our players sooner the more the more we add teams the more everyone sort of delutes have you thought about uh draft order uh maybe 50 bucks frank the tank cameo he decides a draft order every year that would be interesting that's a good idea he just randomly decides the draft order more money more money than 50 we we don't even tell him what he's deciding the draft order for you just give him the names of like each captain and he will just rattle it off for you

late august that feels like a good idea though it honestly crowdfund for against the fans of each team for the number one pick and all that money goes to us the owners done done yeah i mean you could do honestly it's interesting because i've i've thought about getting rid of of the draft what that would look like in football and in basketball it's kind of weird that you take kids coming out of college and then you tell them okay you're going to move to the city this is where you're going to work you don't have a choice in the situation but now that i'm an owner i love that but we're paying a million dollars but they do have a choice right they don't have to sign like liana messi and his family didn't have to sign with barcelona football well no hey hey let's talk

about it real quick because like if you're if you go to college for any other uh any other vocation right you have a choice of where you're going to go and they're going to pay you maybe sometimes what about west point million and then they can put you on loan as well no one's coming out of college making millions of dollars except for professional athletes no but some some people you make hundreds of thousands of dollars and you get to choose where you work but if you got if you got offered to get millions of dollars but told where to work they're taking yes i'm not crying for for professional athletes not being able to do this i'm saying it's completely different from every other thing about american business i love it and it turns it into a more

of a business because now you're you're scouting and you're acquiring talent when they're young you're helping them develop yeah they're allowed to go to college and play you have to pay them on background you can loan them out to other teams if you want i would like though for the water dogs to be in a position where we can do the process and actually see it all the way through tank for multiple years in a row to just try to get as many assets and then get like a really tall guy who runs out of gas every single playoffs i mean look i've gotten owners from different leagues that are asking if they can sit down and meet with you guys how you were able to turn that team around so quickly yeah it was uh we'll never give up our secret sauce negative expansion and

everyone wants to know yeah yeah it's actually what one of them is is criticized the team yeah it's really the seems to work the key is to be as hands off as possible where you don't even watch the games right we put our we put our lacrosse guys in a position to make lacrosse decisions yeah we're just the owners yeah right we hire good people yeah Andy Copeland Andy Copeland who i might have put on the hot seat two years ago well he he felt that he well he we weren't playing d i told i said we we said on this show we got to take away the d from his name he's just Andy Copeland like it was ridiculous how bad we were so we're better now though we're good we're champions uh Jake marsh on the call he's doing he's been let's talk about Jake Marshall okay yeah

has he been can is there room for him to eventually be like the Kevin Harlan or Joe Buck of lacrosse on the slate regularly i'm pushing for him okay yeah he loves doing it and he no one works harder yeah i mean his prep sheet yeah three different laminated you know stats and team qualifiers all that stuff he comes with a game face well and i don't know if you hear but when he's about to call lacrosse game for you guys we say on this show like if you don't tune in we hope you die so like it's a pretty good incentive it's a good push yeah highest viewed games or when Jake marsh was on the call there's a lot of people don't want to die yeah did you know that he doesn't wear pants when he's on the call yeah i haven't seen that but doesn't surprise me just nude from the waist

down it's no underwear you know well it depends on where he's at some states have different laws yeah typically just no belt no pants just whatever god gave him because it because he's getting hot well no he says he needs it for his voice yeah oh because he really finds his voice for his balls come to our testing yeah exactly i have a question for you uh kind of a serious question as a commissioner yeah how would you rank the other commissioners if you look at Roger Goodell right Batman yeah the and the other ones Rob Manson and David Stern so so i i love adam silver he's the man he he uh he's been super supportive of the pll and and strategic at times too online i've never met roger goodell uh gary betman was just recognized

for his career at at the sports business awards and and he's he's probably the most controversial i mean roger roger and then betman but betman uh was a part of two strikes yeah i think in the nhl and he came over from the mba so he's got loads of experience but he's a legal background and i was it betman that the betman era that really started the fans booing commissioners and that's bled over to goodell i think it started with betman didn't i i think it it was like when goodell started finding people for everything for literally everything like oh your socks are a little bit too low right ten thousand dollars yeah um but i don't think goodell is even he's not really controversial anymore because everyone hates him he's he i feel like he has a pretty big pr campaign

right now going on yeah he's he's doing a lot more media than he used to never do media but ceiling was also like very hated yeah for how he dealt with steroids and then like you know oh yeah and then and then man for now yeah imagine man for coming on this show and talking about rules yeah never happened would never would never happen and and the and major league baseball is getting so much love right now for doing something that we've been calling for for 15 fucking years yeah yeah no it's true clock yeah they're late to it yeah but they get credit we just changed our shot clock a little bit made it a little bit faster well goodell does something that we've we've noticed over the years uh that we point out every time he will take something away

that is fun and then when everyone like gets upset he'll give it back and then he'll be like look i gave it back like when he did the touchdown celebrations yep and then he gave it back and everyone's like goodell what a good job so you need to do that oldest trick in the book take away goals for an entire season take take away every game's a zero zero tie then give it back and everyone's like holy shit paul rable we got goals again that's a yeah lower wages lower wages the year before you're gonna increase yeah it's smart or start just out of nowhere finding people like $50,000 because your cleats are too bright yeah and then be like tell you what i'm gonna let you do one weekend where you can wear whatever color shoes you want as long as you donate your game

check to charity yeah replays when he did instant replay for pass interference and then was like i'm taking it away games are gonna be shorter what about finding owners we're not cool with that wait new owners did you say finding or finding finding owners no that's not okay no good luck not good good luck i mean you know how long it took you to sign a contract right commissioners commissioners answer to owners anyway that's true you are yeah you are a figurehead you know we are your boss not to negotiate against myself but i would say puppet yeah you're a puppet um to be fair what we decide on behind the scenes like off the mics is we usually get into it yeah that's where it really gets dirty yeah well we have those like knock knock down drag out fights yeah

in the conference rooms exactly it is it is cool though that you bought the league that you used to play in that's gotta feel good right like an ultimate flex yeah yeah it was good it was good they they were they were difficult man they were they were uh you guys still haven't seen the documentary that you're in have you uh billy saw it billy saw it you know you guys are on hulu right now pardon my take and you guys basically bringing in the story of major league lacrosse and premier lacrosse league i did see that clip yeah i did see that clip too it's a good story you guys should watch i'm always nervous though like we were on good morning america the other day do you guys know that huh liver king interview and it was just not shirtless i was like right so i never

really kind of want this one this one i don't go back i go forward this one's good but yeah no at that time bring that because at that time when we were signing the players over to us their ownership group just started talking a bunch of shit on us oh really and yeah and things like things like they don't have a network deal they don't have any money uh there was one rumor that came out because mike and i went to the super bowl um on behalf of a partner yet to be announced it was gatorade at the time and they're like they're spending all their money on themselves and then well that's true players it was like did you guys spend 50k to go to the super bowl and i'm like what the fuck is this turning into yeah i heard that that was true that we yeah you went to school it wasn't

yeah he spent all that money you should when you get in these like negotiations that are tough tap us in we're ready to just completely soil someone online yeah you guys you give us the list of names and we'll just tweet shit about them all the time yeah you have a pr fixer yeah we will do we will get in the mud for you who's the biggest enemy you did get in the mud for me that one time yeah talked about it yeah when you took your helmet off and got in that fight right yeah right never was like that's what it was it's like this is weird the guy who took his helmet off and got in a fight is also the guy uh you know putting down the the suspensions but you were in the right you you you did not handle that you had someone else handle it right which i respected yeah

yeah so i did get in the mud for you because people were saying oh paul rable's not going to spend you let someone else handle it yeah yeah which was fair your brother had to yeah exactly hands off this one right brother and his mom it's not my decision yeah was that ever awkward like you guys wanted to fight you but they're like he's the commissioner i don't know if i should fight this guy actually training camp started last week i was there for the for uh for the first few practices and it felt better than it ever has because i was now two seasons away from playing and so even last year after i had retired it was still a little bit of that stare down in a hallway like sizing you up type of thing which i hated because i you know i'm not going to come back

right but maybe officially officially retired yeah yeah maybe there could be a sequel to that movie you should just have the championship team sign you every year right before the championship game right before the championship yeah and just be like yeah put waiver extend waivers a few more weeks yeah see if you can see even get like 15 titles and just be like i'm the goat look at all these ranks that would be sick we have some search commissioner do you think would do that oh good yeah good i would for sure um i have i have one last question for you paul and this has been great pll coming back season five yeah check it out training camp started we have billy and jake in training camp right now june third and fourth saturday and sunday at one p.m both games on abc

yes yes water dogs play at one o'clock yes yes against chaos on sunday yes we have eight abc windows love it i love it um we're trying to figure out where to bring the water dogs we had someone our director of marketing sent me um for for you guys and all of your listeners it's waterdogscomehome.com if you want to have a say okay in where the team goes okay which market wants it dc chicago california where else do we say youngstown youngstown alaska alaska and then america mm-hmm let's throw in afghanistan right let's just see let's see we get some votes let's just see yeah i mean p that would be that would be that would throw a little wrinkle in your league imagine flying into kaboom for a tournament maybe navy seals are also known as water dogs yeah

altitude too navy seals also known as water dogs yeah that's true yes so you know um all right so my last question row back question promo code take 20 off your first purchase rhoback.com q zips polos hoodies joggers and shorts shorts when you're going to see pll this year wear your row back all summer long this is the most important thing you need to get a spillbell check on pmt you've promised right it's time you tell us you tell bill wherever he wants us to be time placed we don't care we'll be there okay i'm gonna lean into this one yes okay so so what's in it for me i will strategize on this we made a deal last year when you were on this show we said that come to games we would go to a game it was a big deal though it was like flying you

guys by by private airline and helicopter on center field yeah um we will we will be in attendance for an entire weekend of games okay if bill bella check will be there and we can interview bill bella check at the tournament at the games what it may wait Hank wait or we could just be anywhere else yeah we don't have to do that like it doesn't have to be a full weekend and we don't have to interview bella check if he's not like we can we can go interview bella check here's what i'll say and you want him in person in person i will care more i will ramp up my care that would be an incredible podcast by the way yes it would so we don't have to interview bill at a game yeah and we don't have to go to a game but you he wouldn't let that happen yeah we we will go to one game

we'll go to all game all game and we will care significantly more a water dogs game sure and and we will care with you you're missing the care part i'm taking my care from zero to at least 10 i know that's why they asked for unconditional love yeah i'm willing to if they win i don't want to promise too much i mean i can actually maybe speak for myself in my my area but we are you know designing the new studio like we could we could we could put some signage up yes water dogs that might be the water dogs mural yeah a water dogs mural a championship mural a small mural yeah a pocket size mural that's like a sticker yeah right we'll get a sticker on the wall there will be a stick draw a picture of a dog in a post-it note and put it behind me yeah i don't

see the water dogs helmet here now that we're i'll put a sticker i'll put a pl sticker on my computer that's billy took that uh right here boom there we go pft coming in bang my owner's jacket damn i wear this i've never even seen that every day because you're not in the owner's club right i'm not you're in the commission club yep wow that's sick yeah we could get something on the wall not sure yeah all right so let's let's do it cool so i'll work on that um throughout the off season right now now is the off it's the off season today right now i'll work on that right now right now you mean this off season the football off season yes football yes right now we will go right now it's gonna be it would be the start of grit week it would be incredible we'll ask at

least three lacrosse questions what is the ring ceremony he will he will definitely talk about lacrosse we will ask him lacrosse that's a guarantee guaranteed ask about lacrosse he's only been on one other podcast which one yours it's in 2007 we played duke and we were down six one and we won the championship yeah it's a self-call he's been on he's been on my podcast okay so he knows how to do a podcast we would take great care of awful about it though why it was i don't know five or six years ago and he was like yeah i'll do it and he was like so what is a podcast where i started to take out the microphones so now he knows how many people are gonna listen to this now he knows now he knows now he knows so he's prepped we will i mean it would be i'm gonna have to go through his

guy burge that's fine yeah we got it whatever you gotta do you guys have maybe take burge out for dinner i've heard about burge no problem he's a legend i bet you legend i i bet you he has heard this podcast i guarantee it edelman plays it constantly he's just walking around the boombox that's gonna have a conversation with the crafts their investors in the pll you guys are owners we should make this happen yeah owner we'll talk to him yes let's do it talk about when he's done coaching in the nfl which pll team that's my only easy question yeah i want to fire copeland in a second yeah for bellachai bb yes yes um all right well paul reybel always great to see you always great to have you come by pll back water dogs playing uh this weekend works march jake marsh jake marsh

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meth please don't do that they won't put that on your sandwich i want to make that very clear but it'd be funny okay uh we're gonna do the second half of the show we have our first movie review well we did one a couple weeks ago but uh max has joined us max.com go go download max.com we talked about succession last week good max good good max uh we talked about succession last week we're gonna do some movie reviews in the coming weeks and we started this week with blood sport blood sport a classic 1988 action movie with john claude van dam actually the movie that started the muscles from brussels uh this was his first starring role yeah i think he was like 28 in this movie very good looking guy but blood sport what he's french the muscles from brussels

brussels is belgium belgium close enough waffles i was trying to figure that this this and we'll get in we'll get into the nose this was uh i've obviously heard about him i know you talk about him a lot it was a little bit before my time so this is my first jvc movie and he is jay looking jc vd yeah jc vd and it is awesome i forgot i probably haven't seen this movie in 15 20 years it's better than when i saw it when i was younger it's like a fine wine gets better with age yeah would i really like about this movie you know how they have the the beck del test i'm pretty sure that's the one where uh if you watch a movie and two women have a conversation with each other that isn't about a man then it passes the beck del test yeah with this one

there should be a van dam test where there are more punches than there are words said during the movie and it's and it passes with flying colors it's incredible from the very start to the end it's just everything that you want out of a cheesy 80s action movie it's the best it is uh it the the thing i love so so little description of the movie for people who didn't watch it but you should watch it it's on max.com it's a it's a classic it's a mandatory watch uh if you like action movies it is frank dukes who's in the army who uh was was trained as a young child by tenaka tenaka's son actual son well there was a couple things happened tenaka they had some flashbacks tenaka just casually dropping like my first family yeah we lived in here shima whoops that wasn't

good what we're gonna say hank i mean there's there's a few things the the scenes with the kid uh the kid actors when he like you know helps to knock a son knock like believe in the hell some of the worst acting of all time oh that's what makes that's a great that's a great sign of a of a cheesy movie also the kids acting was was horrific yeah also the rare giants giants fan he had a san francisco giants hat and a new york giants jersey and he was also just marsh pointed out that's the mic francis mic francis if they ever get together i actually looked up that jersey on on the new york giants that he was wearing dukes as a kid is wearing a brian kelly jersey which is appropriate given the shitty accent yes uh right off the bat first it might have been the first shot first

person they showed was a a man doing karate and i i just had the feeling of like i bet you this dude is like 25 yeah but he looks so much older like everyone that was supposed to be young in this movie just looks way older than they maybe that's just me being older now that's the 80s but i was like these people are supposed to be like younger than i am and they all look like they're 35 yeah the 80s if you were 29 years old you would look like you were 60 yeah it also this movie is so great because it is the easiest movie to understand they telegraph everything foreshadowing is like hits you over the head with foreshadowing like the the kumite having the sun tanaka sunday and then van dam has to go train with tanaka and get ready for the kumite the scene

where he's like finally done training and he sets the table with the with the blindfold and then catches tanaka's punch blindfolded you're like oh i mean that might come back in handy later this is tanaka was leaking yes yes she was she was leaking if you if you like montages this is the movie for you there's like seven different montages in there i i like when they get to hong kong yeah so they go so he gets trained by tanaka uh then he's leaving he he basically went awol from the army in the first like five minutes to go to hong kong to fight in the kumite which is an underground fight to the death to find the greatest fighter in the world yes and and when they get to hong kong that's when things really start to kick off because you get

to meet the other fighters from different parts of the world and it's basically like street fighter or like mortal combat the movie mortal combat was based on yeah yeah so it's literally pretty much the same plot yes but they do it better in uh in blood sport but once you get to hong kong it's ever it's fighters from all around the world and there are they're also very stereotypical about the countries that they come from one even being a bad stereo yeah very very i think we can all agree that that was that one guy that was wild that that was ever in a movie yeah um the coconut scene at well wow yeah but um you know who we're talking about ink yeah yeah yeah the uh the the saudi arabian guy was my favorite because he was very clearly just asian yeah but he was wearing a saudi arabian

yes headscarf yes and it's like okay this guy this bad guy is now trying to kidnap the woman reporter and then van dam shows up at the bar and he's like she's not your property you can't claim her tell you what let's gamble and if i win then she's my property yeah it's a quarter trick the quarter trick is all time and yeah the saudi arabian guy's name is hosane yeah saudi arabia should put together i mean if they love bloodsport that's kind of their business model these days yeah they should do a big ass international fighting tournament why not yeah was it just me or was was uh his buddy just ben roffelsberger oh right yeah ray jackson and it was on brand when this first scene he's like sexually harassing the woman on the bus and then uh van dam's like

we're gonna be boys now yeah and it's also great because in like these 80s action movies there's usually a love angle which uh van dam has with the reporter who the reporter just basically was like i want to get in the kumite also let's fuck and maybe you'll let me in the kumite uh but there's also like a very heavy like hetero love uh connection where when they start playing a video game together and they look at each other like that's bro look dude him and tenaka like i wrote that down multiple times he basically has sexual tension with everyone yeah oh yeah well that's van dam is so hot like everyone wants to fuck he's just chilling in his room getting ready for the kumite and he's doing the splits on that like elevated platform dude even the military police

that are after him in hong kong he's got sexual tension with them that that was one of the greatest chase scenes of all time van dam so he's at the kumite he goes through the first round there's the army we're led to believe that that frank dukes is this incredible uh soldier that they need to get back a great asset for the us army they never addressed that right because that was i was i kind of wasn't paying attention maybe in the very very beginning where if they did a quick explainer but i was like what does he need to get back for like what is his job they don't want to get hurt yeah they invested him he's a super soldier yeah like one one one friend dukes can take out entire subconscious yes yes so they need him back they can't have him getting killed in the

wasn't he just like mopping the floor no he dude he's he's the best of the best he's always on standby he's also a great movie he's like an a bomb yeah it's like you have to have him around in case you need him but they so the military police chase him maybe the greatest chase scene of all time they chased through the the streets of hong kong they probably cover like five miles the entire chase the military police is 20 feet behind van dam like he's always there they they never he never opens the gap he's playing with them he's fooling with them it's like a scooby-doo chase yeah great montage and then we get back to uh the kumite we obviously have ray jackson his love his hetero love affair uh gets beat bad by chung li which again another four or four shadow

when when uh when ray jackson was like i want you chung li and he also said i this is one of my favorite parts of these cheesy movies that they have to make sure that like halfway through the movie they say the title of the movie because he's they're watching the fights and ray jackson just turns him he's like that's why they call it they call it blood sport kid i wrote it in my notes that a light bulb went off for me yeah when he said that i was like yeah that's why they call it blood i had no idea why until during the sport there was blood yeah and and chung li's a bad deal i was like yeah chung li killed a guy crazy former kumite then he kills another guy in this kumite maybe the craziest pecs of all time oh just like their his pecs extend downward towards

his knees but it's all muscle that's all man he also has chung li all-time villain because he has one single line the entire movie you are next that's it that's the only time we hear him talk everyone starts turning on him because he's killing guys for just like he kevin where to guy like he just did bad stuff he kills a guy it gets silent the crowd stands up they turn their back and then it just goes back to the fighting well yes they don't they don't even yeah blood sport yeah you come on you sign up for blood sport with the understanding that you might die yeah that's what makes it so alluring so then we get to the final scene with john claude van dam versus chung li and this is crazy but chung li cheats and blinds van dam thankfully we found out early on

that van dam no is trained blindfolded never saw that coming back and van dam ends up winning wait wait wait can we can we the i mean i guess you're gonna say this is why they call blood sport but but the split punching the balls like that was a cheap shot i don't think hank knows why they call it a hang no i get it no i feel like you're missing you can do anything in blood sport to get blood yeah you fast forwarded you fast forwarded to the the championship but i thought it was a little bit of a scumbag low you know cheap shot when he just did the split and punched the guy in the nuts to advance yeah but that's blood sport you you hit him off the runway i don't like you you knock him out or they say mate which is uncle i don't i don't like what hanks doing right this is

the pacification of blood sport that hangs going on i just might it might as well be flagged blood sport yeah it's a fight to the i mean chung li beat a guy up unconscious and then in front of the entire audience snapped his neck and killed him and now you're worried about a fucking no i guess i knew you're gonna say it's blood sport anything no rules all right so van dam is that blinded is it possible to hear a punch coming well he yeah for him i think for van dam yeah yeah he said the table whatever hank you're just your anti blood sport i can't trust no i'm just i just you don't know why it's called blood you don't know combat sports yeah but van dam wins beats chung li the greatest champion of all time beautiful ending ray jack goes to the

hospital a nice i love you man he looks like tyler handsboro uh when he was bloody and like screaming yeah he looked exactly like tyler handsboro finding the yeah he he does like a he finds like his his his surroundings even though he can't see you know my cat my favorite guys in in these types of movies are they're the toss guys and you see him in martial arts too like demonstrations their entire job is to run at steven segal yeah and then just get touched by him and then do like three flips because the power of his finger was so strong that it like launched you into orbit yeah this movie is filled with toss guys yes just getting thrown around left and right they love that shit the best the best one i i added in the notes the guy he screamed and then van dam kicked him

once and then he kicked him a second time and he flew out like yes flew into he flew into the abyss yeah that was the fight that was a great that was laugh out loud funny such an art in being a toss guy i feel like you have to be a toss guy for enough years until you get promoted to being the guy that gets to beat the shit out of the guys yes yes i also there's also like scenes this is really the mark of a great uh 80s action movie there's scenes that feel important that just don't have any importance and never get brought up again when like hussein loses his gold tooth and they zoom in on the guy who's cleaning up the mat who steals it and you're like will that come back no that did nothing he's absolutely nothing i was completely had enough

no relevance whatsoever but they did they did the hitchcock zoom they did that too in the beginning like that's a that's a sign of a an old school movie when they're just doing doing the hitchcock zoom as much as possible yeah there was uh there was some some information that i found when i looked up about this movie because i want to know the history behind blood sport and what was the critical reception oh i have a kind of quote yeah it's got a good score on rotten tomatoes i think it's like 87 or something like that maybe that's imdb that i saw yeah it was like a 46 approval rating on rotten tomatoes um one of the reviews uh that came out at the time was uh basically said what was it it was like this is a cliche movie uh they it made money it made good money

but yeah oh yeah beyond but beyond bandams athleticism blood sport is a cliched virtually plotless exercise in action action movie recycling disagree with that well that's like saying beyond patrick mahomes the chiefs aren't a very good football team yeah but so this movie by the way max didn't like this movie we'll hear from him at the end um i did see i saw this movie like 20 years ago and i was explaining this uh and i think you probably went through the same thing pft where at the end the movie ends and they reveal that this is all based on a true story yeah and it's frank dukes that's and he's got he's got world records fastest fastest knockout 3.2 seconds fastest kick 72 miles an hour most consecutive knockouts in a single tournament 56 so when i

watched this 20 years ago i was like this is fucking cool badass the internet's not the internet i just believed it last night i rewatched it and i went and looked it up and frank dukes is the greatest liar of all time yeah all of it is fake so when when they interviewed the screenwriter about the screenwriter said that like this is there are some issues with the script based on what frank dukes told me he said it is based on a true story except frank dukes lied about his fighting record as well as the existence of the entire tournament as well as his military record so it was just like the entire thing is made up he's the greatest liar of all time like i actually think they should make a bloods they did make two three more blood sports but van dam is not in them

they need to make a making of the blood sport so frank dukes is a guy who was in the marines and he left the marines so he there's it basically is all based on this one article that was written about him in 1980 where the author feels like they just believed everything he said he said that he was in the CIA he was blowing up like oil depots in iraq and like going like all these covert operations the CIA came out was like none of this is true he they're actually if you look at his military record in 1978 he was institutionalized for having like bad thoughts and like completely making stuff up have you ever heard of mk ultra and the cia big cat big cat do you think the cia would acknowledge this stuff right it was true he's basically used the cia being like a covert

like organization to to make his career even bigger where he's like yeah well they erased all the records yeah so of course they're not going to tell me this correct he had so he i like frank dukes simply because when he gets caught in the lie he just lies even more they asked for where the kumite sword is and he said i i had it but i had to sell it upon it to pay ransom for a bunch of kids that were kidnapped by somali pirates so he just made that what a great guy that should be a movie too he also produced he produced the trophy and then a couple years after he produced the trophy a guy came forward from a trophy shop in the san fernando valley was like yeah he bought that for me sounds like he should get his ass kicked

also tenaka is the name of a bad guy in a bond movie okay so he just made up all this stuff they're like they tried to find it tenaka didn't exist i think it happened they they tried to find all this stuff they they're also is like these moments where they found other people who were at this alleged kumite and uh one of them like said yeah i was there i saw frank dukes he knocked everyone out it was awesome like two years later he was like yeah we had a falling out he just told me to lie about all that and none of that happened listen i i i choose to believe frank dukes i i choose to i i choose to ignore all the facts i just want to think that this actually happened and that a guy that looks a lot like john claud van dam took i don't know six

months off of blowing up oil refineries in iraq for the cia yeah to go over there and just beat the shit out of everybody in the world i don't even care about uh like what like blood sports and awesome movie who cares i like frank dukes the liar because he just can't stop lying he he here's a couple other things so it doesn't look a little bit like billy he was yeah that's true we dealt with someone like this uh yeah so he sold his kumite sword uh in a failed attempt to buy freedom of a boat of orphans whom he later rescued from the pirates he stopped a plot to assassinate steven sagal these are all frank dukes what he has said i love that because he's basically saying like i am i i am so powerful at martial arts that i'm the only one who can defend steven sagal

yes and then and then uh that the discrepancies in his martial arts history of the work of fabrications by his rivals uh and i also i read a ton of stories about this guy last night he fucking rules because he's just so delusional apparently he got in a fight at a like karate like expo with another karate guy and he got his ass kicked and then after he got his ass kicked like many people saw it happen people like yeah frank dukes got his ass kicked he's like well that guy had brass knuckles and he sucker punched me yeah it's dirty and everyone's like well no we saw it and that's not what happened and then he confiscated the tape like lebron getting dunked on at his own camp it's awesome he just he keeps lying about everything everything is made up

he's uh yeah frank dukes i mean canadian hero he's from canada but still canadian american hero so he's from canada served in the united states military he moved imagine how dumb those Somali pirates are to to like kidnap somebody and then to make the ransom phone call to the most dangerous person on earth yes on earth yeah literally bad move yeah so i give bloodsport a five balls i love this movie i'll always love this movie i do want to see the remake where they just figure out all frank dukes' lies and do like a making of bloodsport we should get him on the show and then make a story i mean clearly there's a business model for like listening to his stories his truth and then making a movie about him yeah like who cares it's a movie right he's got a great

imagination yeah yeah i listened to an interview that he did uh and he just he's great he's kind of got a little liver king in him where you ask him a question and he just like answers a completely different question he's like yeah that's the point so he says that that's not gonna brought him to mesuda japan when he was 16 years old to get trained as a ninja we haven't had enough movies about ninjas recently i know nobody does ninjas anymore three ninjas great movie i yeah it was a five out of five for me five balls i enjoyed it thoroughly uh i was saying earlier i did i did procrastinating watching a little bit it was a little bit late and if there was an option to do it on one one and a half or one and a quarter speed i probably would have done it uh but there

wasn't and i really enjoy i ended up being very happy like i was like i was laughing uh i thought the lady you know whose job it is to expose how how heinous this event is when he was blind and like jumping around she was laughing having the time of her life yes yes like she went from from this is a heinous event that i need to expose and blow up to like rooting for john gone fan damn and laugh yeah having a good time it's blood sport and uh four the four spin kicks in a row incredible that was excessive what a move what a move you can't stop three but you can't you can't you can't how can you draw power three and or like four in a row did you see him training when when when sinaka had him in just the torture chamber with ropes that that princess

bright like that was just that must i don't know when princess bright came out but that was that was a that was a thing of that time yeah because that was the same machine yeah you know what the stretcher that's good about it's good about max is on max it you can watch it while you're doing other things on your phone too yeah and this is the perfect movie to watch in the background of anything else so so good also shout out frank to because i did forget to mention that he is much like lenny di extra 320 wins in one loss and then he actually corrected it in an interview like 10 years after saying it was actually 329 wins zero losses how did that how did he that one loss get out there in the first place well he said it okay he said his record was

321 misspoke one loss in seven draws where it's like similar to lenny di extra like hey if you throw in the one loss people got to believe it he definitely misspoke and then he just changed his record to actually 329 and zero also we're just a forest Whitaker podcast yeah yeah forest Whitaker just great him falling into the to the water also them again them and the fucking journalists like their whole mission was to stop this thing they got to the event or like you know what we can't understand bloods we know he doesn't understand bloods why didn't they try to stop them because it's bloods for you can't stop the sport showed up their whole job was to fly to this fucking event to stop him from fighting they get to the fight and they sit front row and they're

like cheering them on yeah because hey you get you get caught up in the show yeah i get it's oh i don't think i don't think you do it doesn't get it you think the journalist was going to stop bloodsport with what an article that was going to come out four months later because it's 1988 i just thought it was funny she was laughing like it was like you're you know you're supposed to be to have this stance of like you just watch the guy die yeah and and then she's sitting there like oh he's blind haha this guy just snapped a guy's neck 20 minutes ago you know what they're signing up for i guess Hank shows up to bloodsport and someone's got a runny nose he's like stop the fight i don't think he's got a concussion yeah oh we got a team we got to protect the player

who was the favorite in the uh in the final oh chung Lee we got to put him in protocol yeah chung Lee was big time fit pft would have made an investment in chung Lee yeah he was probably my minus 2000 i mean he killed two guys hank yeah um max you hated it no i was fine it was just no he hated it he told me he hated it it's just one of those movies that you have it on and you're on your phone and you're and no you lose you lose the plot you lose the plot it's the easiest plot the world max there is no plot the big men fight each other yeah that's yeah well i mean you know the plot but it's like you know you're not you're not paying attention i mean it is in that sense it was like all right i can look up watch them fighting i do love i i kept saying it i love

ogre from revenge on it from yeah yeah rejax he does look like yeah he's better off finrathis burger mixed with mankind yeah he's great he goes up just a ridiculous move he goes up to that girl that girl on the bus he's like you ever been with a big man before yeah i should think if this was if this movie is more realistic he would win yeah so much bigger than just smashing everyone he celebrated too early that's i was and then and then chung li did too chung li did a little celebration foreshadowing foreshadowing make sure they get that if we did bloodsport today if the soddies put together a big investment said we're going to do the last one to live tour and we're going to bring people across the globe to compete i think i still think steven's

called my win yeah agreed or john claude to this day yeah ornald frank tukes well actually real frank tukes that's true i mean he would he's never lost he would say that he won he's never lost i love that they found the trophy it was just a random trophy shop it's just like hey here it is guy rule he's kind of a legend actually yeah in a different for a different reason than what like he's a legend because he lied about all the stuff and they made a fucking movie about big cat what if everything he said was true and you're just buying into the fake news media it's true no like there are people out to discredit him because the cia if they created a super soldier like that they could not acknowledge it that's true we don't want our enemies to know that we've got

a dozen frank dukes that are stationed in fort bragg right now yeah ready to be deployed at the drop of a hat they had uh he produced a picture of uh his medals and stuff and the the army was like you're a marine you claim to be marines he said he had a medal of honor he had a medal of honor from the army and all of his uh awards were out of order so he was like well i don't know why they put it that way and then like a couple years later he's like well it was a costume i was wearing like it was a halloween costume i wasn't my actual i was i was actually putting on a halloween costume of a soldier who's less decorated than i am in real life so i didn't know how to put on all those inferior awards he just keeps putting up shots yeah it's crazy frank dukes come on the

podcast we'll just ask them all the questions see how crazy you'd be um all right so let's do firefest max.com go check out max.com uh awesome awesome movie go watch what do we do next week we're doing 38 at the garden right jeremy lin lin sanity sports sports blood sports uh i had an idea what if we did what if we did blood sport but at a rough and rowdy but we just it was an international rough and rowdy yeah like the bat find the baddest human on the planet i'm down that's why they call it blood sport yeah blood what you still don't understand i literally wrote in my notes light bulb went off yeah when you still don't that's why they call it blood sport do not get it uh okay let's do firefest go check out max.com you have 38 at the garden uh next week review on

friday's show very excited jeremy lin uh okay hey firefest uh last night late there i went to i went to a driving range um and it's like 25 minutes away from me i've i've gone enough that i've memorized the route i don't even need the directions and on the way back the road to get on to you know the highway i needed to get on was closed for construction so it took me it took me on a detour i pulled out my phone put in and then i i didn't even look at it i was you know i just clicked it was listening to google directions said it was 30 minutes away i was like that makes sense drove 30 minutes it took me to the same address uh in like deep in new jersey like a different town i hate when that happens and it was because i was on a detour so i wasn't

you know i didn't really know that i wasn't going the right way i was just kind of usually don't go this way follow directions don't don't look up and then i got that i was getting close like you're five minutes away i was like i don't feel like i know where i am at all yeah and then i looked it up and i was a solid 50 minutes away from my destination which is in total like 20 minutes away have you guys ever done that in an uber yep but you're so ashamed that as you're getting close i talked about on the show you don't say anything i've done that actually in new jersey before i was going someplace and then i realized when i was maybe five minutes away i'm 40 minutes away from where i need to be and i was just so ashamed that i was like okay yeah this is it you

can let me out yeah yeah i started going over the brooklyn bridge once i was like well i was going to manhattan yeah like this is not correct you feel like such an idiot you can't say anything yeah you can't that's so that was uh yeah that was just a long long detour yeah okay pft uh my firefest of the week is that i forgot about darts yeah i forgot about darts darts is this weekend i've got tickets to it so i'm gonna go with the boys to go see darts at msg gonna be incredible but what's the firefest well the big firefest hank is that when it's darts time when it's darts weekend all the boys get dressed up to get a darts you put on an awesome costume you wear a track suit i feel like your day-to-day outfits like kind of are on friday i'm dead serious i'm dead serious

we're wearing black blue and red no i'm not i'm wearing dark blue roback pants they're a great sponsor i'm wearing mountains or those are dark blue yeah those look black get your eyes fixed hank these are dark dark those are not okay so all right so even if they are black then i'm wearing black and blue which is totally normal in red but i was supposed to wear orange shoes all right cut i'm just saying what are you doing here i have something for you though because i was gonna go to darts yeah i realized i just can't max also is not going to darts which sucks what he let everyone down yeah why not how how is max i don't know how this is coming up on this show max yeah he said he's going to darts i know i i i i've been i've been defending myself for the past 24 hours i've

had this plan for the last six months i'm going to darts yeah i know you're gonna you're gonna take my spot i'm i'm willing to hand over the title of as dart father to you no i already bought you're not giving me the spot i bought my own ticket i know but i'm giving you dart father the title of dark did you buy ticket max yes i'm not going why not because it's a long he doesn't like darting you know like that's not sure i'm not a needlehead i'm moving this weekend i thought you moved on Wednesday no but i have all the things living out of his car i'm living out of my car right now and i need i'm paying so much money for my car to be in this city i need to take all the things that are in my car drop it off at my parents and we're recording late tomorrow or we have

an interview late tomorrow i'm not going to get down to like 10 and i don't feel like there are a lot of words to say that you don't like darts no max you're pussy he doesn't like darts anymore pft i was going to go to darts but i really can't uh but i did buy a shirt that you can wear it's a double xl yeah and it says it's got two dartboards where the breasts are it says uh stop looking at my boards doesn't even make sense i like that on or anything i like that boards mean no one says boards for tits but it's great i might you know what i've i've gotten the office right now i'd like you to wear that shirt i've got i might wear two shirts because i've got the one that says i got my ass eating at the bass pro shop here in mid in minnesota tennessee that's not darts that's a

pretty good that's a pretty good shirt though but you gotta wear a dart shirt you can have my dart shirt yeah it's gonna look great uh so you guys aren't going no one no one in this room's going i just don't think i can i have a wedding hey you're gonna you're gonna miss darts for a wedding i may still go but i've got an extra i probably i've got an extra ticket last year when i went i put in that future thinking it was the day of and it cashed eight months later so you won money can you give me a pick for darts uh vanguarin or smith yeah okay all right yeah i'm gonna ride michael smith um i'd be michael vanguarin yeah max what about pants max does not work for darts for darts pants you gotta have fire darts pants yeah hank do you have those pants that make you

look like a train doctor a cartoon train uh i actually got rid of those i wish i i should have given them to you max is yours your pants make the move oh yeah oh yeah the pants are already in storage if i give you a pair of pants that i brought you can puke on them real quick and i'll just wear those yeah sure okay i never puked on pants that's actually true vaguenin you puked into the water bottle and some of the water bottles a little bit of my shirt a little bit of my shirt okay that's fair i'm sorry all right my firefest pretty simple i ate 20 pieces of bread yesterday and i have felt full for 24 hours and for darts also there was a video of me and i look comically fat and booger's bullying me again i'm just gonna go on a zempik i don't fucking care

i'm gonna do it is that the shot yeah i'm gonna do it and i'm gonna tell everyone to do it and then i'm gonna look hot and then i'll get off of it and then i'll gain it all back what does it matter you could cool sculpt i could cool sculpt shave that in some abs dude i mean charles barkley's doing the major or whatever he's getting skinny as fuck booger's quote was you don't look fat my brother you are fat yeah make sure you correct those who say the wrong thing it's angles though yeah it's oh no there was also the problem someone's like i've never seen someone this video is insane they're like i've never seen someone look fat in a black t-shirt it's it's really good thanks i wasn't wearing spanks i had to eat the bread this looks like

you're wearing one of those skin tight like under armor shirts but it's not it's so bad my belly was so far i couldn't suck in my belly because i had so much bread in it and then my tits and everything shut up right now it's like you know let's get it i know i'm just i didn't see this video that booger i saw booger's quote but yeah it looks like you're wearing uh you're going surfing okay hank we got it we got the picture he doesn't understand blood sport no that's why they call it blood sport no you don't know why it's called blood sport yeah uh i think i'm gonna do oz epic do it why don't what if you get too skinny though i was i can't do jona hill you can't know what i was gonna do is i'm gonna do oz epic for like two months drop like 25 pounds

and then just slowly gain it back okay because then it doesn't see it well you know be be skinny for the summer and then football season all better right but i'll always get fat again but just i need my problem is i i am incapable of getting skinny again so i need to help i'm gonna say something nice about chicago people there aren't as big as i thought they'd be but the thing is like across the board they're like five percent bigger yeah everyone's which is healthy because in new york everyone's 15 too small yeah they're chic yeah the the the models in new york it's gross people not jaywalk in chicago yeah they do okay why because you know sometimes in new york it's common well new york is like there is no right like when the car is not coming people cross the street yeah

i did that in chicago no one followed me and the people on the other side where i was walking towards were giving me a look and i was like oh yeah yeah bad ass people might not jaywalk in chicago i think new york is just like boston too if you go to williamsburg like people don't even recognize cars you also just walk in front of your car while you're driving you run into that one person at every crosswalk that like you step out a little bit into the street while you still have the don't walk sign and somebody goes out like two yards further than you yes and stands in ways like in the middle of traffic yes for the light to change i actually had a very jaywalking city in america an extra firefest i was went to the central park zoo with my kids on saturday

and we were leaving and uh my son like stepped a little bit into the street and i yelled at him very force was like get back on the sidewalk and there was a ups delivery woman standing next to him and she looked at she was like what did you just say to me i was like wait that wasn't for you she thought i was yelling at her when you when you started that off with i went to the zoo and my young son got too close and i thought we were gonna have another harambe situation no central park zoo all the fucking animals are asleep yeah it was terrible they were all fucking asleep what were you listening max something about darts sucking yeah i just got tagged in a clip or i'm getting i'm getting shots from all directions about not going to do it can i be there's another

show that's talking about me not going to dart can i be the temporary dart father i've i just said i want you to have the title of the dart what's involved in being dart you just have to walk you have to walk you have to walk you can't just give it up and come back okay so i know i'm not taking it back i do a big march yeah yeah like the bushwhackers like bushwhacker like the guy from ohio state that leads the band out yeah okay yes and you have to say i'm very fired up for darts and then just and then you just have to start a chant going in to the stadium just saying dart so darts darts darts darts and then whoever you bet on has to finish darts second in the championship well that that would have to be hank passing over that torch oh wait no no no wait not second

hank betting on something that took a year yeah true how do you but it but it but it it but it's still you so you have to go and make a winning bet yeah i'll go make a winning bet max i have one more dart related question for you because you seem to be an expert on it despite 180 how drunk should i be going to dart too drunk too drunk if you if you think you're too drunk you need to be more if i if i think i'm too drunk i'm not drunk enough correct okay got it correct i'll just i'll drink my way there's also i although i'm a little worried it's it's turned into a whole thing this year it's going to be there's going to be chaos everywhere it's gotten it's going to be it's too mainstream for me that's also okay yeah that's why you're not

you like darts before everyone else yeah yeah and now you're you're just hopping on the band wagon okay but you're still the dart father well i bought tickets last year i couldn't go yeah um all right great show see everyone monday uh numbers 69 18 billy was so mad he he that's the thing about billy is he genuinely gets angry yeah if somebody takes his little sex joke ball right it's great we got to start doing that all the time we got to take it every time because it's it's he was like pre raging in the studio like because it's crazy so it's 69 uh would you take i took 18 okay take max 20 49 that would have been awesome all right everyone have a great weekend we'll see you on monday

love you guys all bears are hey stay up to me seems like you say well i'll be coming for you anyway i'll be gone