Pardon My Take - Skip Bayless In Studio, TNF, Playoff Baseball And Sad Max + Week 6 Picks and Preview

Episode Date: October 11, 2024

The Niners are back and the Seahawks have problems (00:00:00-00:07:52). Playoff baseball and the Yankees advance after a benches clearing conversation. We have two game 5's and we recap the Phillies/M...ets and Max's bad buttcrack moment (00:07:52-00:28:29). NFL Week 6 picks and preview and a huge measuring stick game for the Commanders against the Ravens (00:28:29-01:30:48). Fantasy Lad boys and our best bets (01:30:48-01:41:23). Skip Bayless joins the show in studio to talk about his career in television, his relationship with Stephen A Smith and Shannon Sharpe, getting to supreme debate, some old takes, Tebow and more (01:41:23-02:57:53). We finish with Fyre Fest of the week (02:57:53-03:12:50).You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/pardon-my-take

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hey, pardon my take listeners. You can find every episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad free on Amazon Music. On today's pardon my take, we have Skip Bayless in studio. Crazy. Never thought we'd see the day. Skip. Skip Bayless on the show. Got to the bottom of a lot of stuff with him. We also learned a new phrase that Will be taking with us that I'm not gonna I'm gonna tease it not gonna say it I'm a different man after I'm a different man after hearing it for sure. We're gonna talk Thursday night football We're gonna talk playoff baseball Is back
Starting point is 00:00:42 Max is back. Max is back. Max is back. Max. We got week six picks and preview. Loaded, loaded show for you sending in to the weekend. It's all brought to you by our friends at DraftKings, the roller coaster of NFL season is moving right along.
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Starting point is 00:03:13 A lot of red in the stands. Yeah, 49ers jerseys. And, and there are two 49ers wives that were sent in front row. Yeah, Kyle Ushek and Kyle Ushek's wife and George Kittle's wife. And they were able to, we had a double Kittle and a Ushek touchdown. Yeah, we had double Kittle and, uh, and they both did the Lambeau leap into their wives arms. It was awesome. And then Ushek scored the fullback touchdown at the very end, which was awesome to see. And then he goes up, he does another leap to is what kind of a simple move jumping twice for your
Starting point is 00:03:43 wife. Love it. Kyle loves his wife jumps into her arms and then he he gave her a kiss through his face mask love that you've never seen before that's like getting in a fight with a helmet on throwing a punch at someone with a face mask yeah same as kissing do you think you ever done it with the NFL player yeah yeah an NFL player yes well wearing their respect let's respect our friends yeah an NFL player. Yes while wearing their respect. Let's respect our friends. Yeah. Yeah NFL player For sure for sure Absolutely, but Antonio Brown for sure for sure for sure for sure probably still to this day. Yeah, Brock Purdy's just good
Starting point is 00:04:17 Yeah, he is. He's he has wheels. He's moving around. He's throwing guys open. Yeah, he's good I just hope that Kyle doesn't start doing the thing where it's just all Brock pretty all the time well, they they had to cuz Jordan Mason obviously got hurt tonight, he was having a hell of a game and Yeah, I mean the 49ers are good. I wasn't worried about the 49ers. I am worried about the Seahawks. I think their defense Has problems and it's got injuries, but it's also got problems and it feels like three weeks in a row we've just watched the same Seahawks game where they're down and Gino is trying desperately to get them back in it that pick he threw that basically ended the game that was tough and yeah it's just the Seahawks are just in this spot every like
Starting point is 00:05:01 if you just turn on the fourth quarter of a Seahawks game They're down anywhere between five and and twelve points and Gino is desperately trying to get the ball down the field Yeah, I think when we said that that was a statement loss that they had to the Lions and Monday Night Football I think the statement was just like I think we should quit on the season Yeah, they've they've looked like a completely different team the last couple weeks. Yeah, and again, they do have a bunch of injuries I do love those uniforms though whenever they put on these uniforms and like man this yeah, this is so much fun That's a uniform. They should keep they just wear that all the time Even changing the logo. I love when teams change the logo. I thought the best middle of the field the throwback was awesome I love the the old-school Seahawks logo, but the old school Seahawks font is awesome
Starting point is 00:05:45 too. It's like 1980s. You see that font and you're like, I am in the 80s. That's Steve Largen out there. Yeah. So as much hand wringing as there was about the 49ers start, they are on top of the NFC West and maybe getting Christian back, maybe getting Christian back. So what was the vague report? Let's go to our big matchup next week against the Chiefs, the 49ers. That's going to be fun. What are the walls say? I don't know what the walls are saying. The walls said that after week six will probably know. Um, but on the broadcast they said that they talked to Kyle and they were hoping, you know, three or four weeks maybe, but they're not sure. And that's what the walls, the walls injury like that with the calf and the hit he said they went
Starting point is 00:06:28 out with a calf injury week 17 last week you can you know figure out the calf and Achilles are close you just never know what that very vague updated report of like they're hoping for four to five weeks but anything could happen so I'm confused or even retired did the walls talk to Shanahan or did the walls talk to a different? So a different person. It's the original walls the walls haven't haven't changed anything from the original Reporting current was this walls in Tiananmen Square No, no the protest. No, okay. All right The 49ers ran the ball fucking down their throat. I know that it's a little inflated
Starting point is 00:07:06 from that last run by Garendo but 6.9 yards per carry. 228 yards is that's that's that's bully ball. Yeah, it is. Yeah. And Jordan Mason was gonna I mean, Jordan Mason was on pace. He had nine carries for 73 yards. Niners got a lot of weird injuries again tonight though. They had Jordan Mason with a shoulder. I think should have with a P. Got it up at at halftime tried to play played one play I believe it was like nope. I shouldn't be playing football with whatever it is I have and then what was Kittle a pee. Yeah. Oh, he had to pee. Yeah, yeah to just piss your pants. Yeah Come on, George. Yeah, Deebo. Yeah with the stinger Deebo with the stinger shaking his hand out And then some offensive lineman and they also lost another kicker and
Starting point is 00:07:46 Their kicker is a backup kicker. Oh, that was the kicker. Not yeah, that was the kicker. Not the puncher Yeah, yeah the kicker at the end. So now they're they got to go find another kicker again get Janikowski back out there Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Can't get the big polo. He could fucking kick Yeah, he was he was the he was the original I can kick it from anywhere guy get dog get Doug Flutie Doing some drop kicks out there. What uh, I'm trying to think who which team has a good kicker that's not playing Well, I guess those kind of don't go together But like what would do would it get the Cowboys lose? Cowboys start losing when they trade Aubrey for like a third rounder dicker dickers kicker good dick. Good dicker up there. Get ticker the kicker.
Starting point is 00:08:26 That was enough football talk. We got more football talk coming up with NFL week six picks and preview. Let's talk some playoff baseball. You know what, let's talk about the other series first. The Yankees advance. So we have maybe we were the problem with New York City boys because Monday is shaping up to be an all-time city Day in New York City you got the Mets at four o'clock you have the Yankees at seven o'clock And then you have the Jets playing the Bills both New York City teams kind of New York State and then New Jersey Playing at 815. It's the center of the world. Yeah, finally. Finally, ESPN. Finally, Stephen A Smith can can say who he's rooting for. Yeah, it's gonna be fun I guess if you're a New Yorker. For everybody else, we're gonna be like, okay, enough New
Starting point is 00:09:13 York. Yeah, but it hasn't happened in a while. It hasn't happened in a while. The Liberty, they're not playing right on Monday. I don't know if they're playing on Monday. Also, I we talked about pinstripes. I think John Carlo gets his pinstripes for this series alone. He basically staved off the Royals and was like, Nope, it's not going to end now. Because he was he was awesome. The last two games in Kansas City. And we also had the rare, the rare liberty. what is that game three Wednesday Sunday Sunday? Uh We had the rare benches clearing conversation That was cool. I didn't see that part. Yeah, they had a bench is clearing conversation. I liked I
Starting point is 00:10:00 Just they just talked I did anybody come out of the dugouts. Ah, yes. Okay, did they sprint out of the dugout? I it was kind of like a bullpen. Oh, yeah, I meant to say bullpen I don't think the bullpen I think it was the dugouts. So it was benches clearing conversation it was a bang bang play at second base and they just they were like hey, that's wrong and Then another guy came out and said hold on. Wait a second. You don't say that to my teammate You're wrong. And then they all just stood around Just talked it out it's back to it was very funny I like the benches clearing conversation just everyone had to get in on the conversation I mean watch a lot of old school like 80s baseball clips recently yeah it was a different sport at second oh yeah yeah I mean it wasn't even it wasn't even like a dangerous play or anything it was was just kind of like, Hey guys, let's all
Starting point is 00:10:46 come out and have a conversation real quick. Yeah. I think that guy even said my bad. It's okay. Yeah. The bullpen came out. The bullpen. I love it when the bullpen catchers get up and sprint out onto the field. They just sprinted to have more of a conversation. Then they sprint onto the field. Then they stand at the back of the big crowd. There wasn't even really a shove thrown. Like it was sometimes you'll get like chest to chest Looking like our friend Jimmy Tatro when they have the fights in Real Bros We didn't even really get that just a nice little conversation like somebody said the f-word Yeah, and now it's like okay
Starting point is 00:11:17 We all have to come out here and say the f-word and then the other two series we have game five for both Which I'm very excited for Padres you Darvish Going to back to LA That's gonna be a great game. Do we know who's starting for the Dodgers yet? I was not up earlier when I checked I'll check again It was not up and then I am I know college football Saturday is loaded loaded slate and it's gonna be great I'm so excited for scoobal to pitch game five. Yeah, it's gonna be great. I'm so excited for Scoobel to pitch game five. Yeah, that's gonna be great. But that's his moment with the Padres game. I like the new
Starting point is 00:11:51 wrinkle that's been added to it because we talked about Ken Rosenthal's column where he called, let's see, what'd he say? He was a dancing strutting peacock. We're talking about Fernando Tatis. And then he said that jerks and profars the kid that pulls a fire alarm Yeah, and acts like it's a joke again that kid's awesome. And then the Padres were like well guess what Ken Rosenthal? We're not gonna do weird bowtie interviews during the games love that so we've got a big J verse MLB team beef going on right now. I love I'm also just excited to see the Padres go back to LA Yeah, it's everybody off. Yeah, and it's uh, we also have it It happens every October people being like why are they why are they drinking champagne after winning one series?
Starting point is 00:12:30 I love the celebrations. I always are meant for the celebrations. You need to drink after every single series Yeah, I'm as a hundred sixty two games general thumb if you're allowed to get drunk at work. You should get drunk at work Yeah, it's fun So two game fives so excited to see scubal Pitch because that's just like everything I expect and know from scubal He's gonna he's gonna he's gonna fucking be a haus. He's gonna be a give me the ball for the whole whole game But that's gonna be great. Nothing better than a couple game fives we also had the Phillies in the Mets series
Starting point is 00:13:07 and Max is back. Max, do you have something for us? Phillies lost the game. They looked like shit. It's exact same thing that went on from 2009 to 2011 of the Phillies lost the game. They looked like shit. It's exact same thing that Went on from 2009 to 2011 of the Phillies and then they had ten years of nothingness So it looks like it's gonna be a lot of the same that team won a World Series I said 2009 to 2000 I know but that they won a World Series in 2008 I know but that tea I'm saying that team had won a World Series. I
Starting point is 00:13:44 Said 2009 2009. They was they went to the world to 2019 to know in a world I'm saying that team had won a World Series the guys on that team from 2009 to 2011 had won a World Series correct But 2009 they went to the World Series lost 2010. They went to the NLCS lost 2011 they went to the NLDS lost right, They went to the NLDS lost. Right. But you see what I'm saying. But what I am saying, yes, it is the same. Like they had they had a like the 2009 2011 stretch like they had done something. They'd earned something.
Starting point is 00:14:16 Yeah. In 2008, they they had something. Yeah, but that carries over. But that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying what I'm saying is that like it is just a downhill spiral got it The guys know World Series, right? Yeah What makes this even worse is the fact that at that first World Series you thought yourself like this team is built to win a World Series at some point and then the other weird part about it is
Starting point is 00:14:37 2011 was supposed to be the best team of them all and then they had the best record. This is the best record of This little stretch. It's the same thing. The guys are getting older and you didn't win a World Series didn't win a World Series So many people just didn't show up It's the same thing of last year is like one game. They can't carry over momentum from one game to the next You got screwed pen is insane The bullpen was had like was a top five bullpen in baseball this year All of a sudden we get to the postseason. They pretend like they don't know what a pitch Jt real mutuals have a single hit in the entire postseason Trey Turner. It's 200
Starting point is 00:15:17 Kyle Schwab er after his first home run. He gets one bloop single other than that nothing What did you say? What did you say after you hit that home run? You know what I don't give a fuck. I don't take it back at all. I love that like you should every like if you're scared to Agree to be excited over a yes over a lead-off Homer against the fucking Mets Yeah, the only person in that room Yeah, I was outnumbered and I tried and I tried to call my shot and I missed I don't give a fuck max
Starting point is 00:15:51 Yes, I'm 100% on your side There's nothing worse than what's happened in this culture these days of the old takes exposed in the middle of a game Because you're rooting for a team or rooting for a game and commenting it in the middle of a game That's're rooting for a team or rooting for a game and commenting it in the middle of a game. That's just what fans do. They root for their team. You shouldn't have to apologize for it. Yeah, no, I don't. Did it go poorly after that? Yeah. But that shouldn't be an apology. Yeah. And it was war like in the moment it was like holy shit. Lead off batter bomb. We have our ace on the mound. We're not the Brewers mentally tough. And also Brewers fans being like oh
Starting point is 00:16:30 we we fought them. You did the same fucking thing that we did. You're like because I kept saying like we're not we're not the Brewers and they're like yeah you're not the Brewers. We at least gave them a harder fight. Like what the fuck does that mean. You lost we lost. Also you know what you say to Brewersers fans we at least won a World Series in 2008. Facts. Yeah. And we would beat the shit out of the room. Yeah you were. That's the worst part. And the Mets are too fucking good. They're really fucking good. They are a team of destiny. And I've said it and I'll say it again. Oh my. The only thing that I'm rooting for in this baseball season is Mets Yankees and the Yankees to beat the absolute fuck out of the Mets.
Starting point is 00:17:08 Because that's the only way that Mets fans will be upset at the end at the end of this run. Would you rather a sweep or a loss in game seven? You want sweep. I want sweep. You want sweep. I want them to be like reminded that they're little brother. Would game seven be maximized, maximum pain?
Starting point is 00:17:21 No. Because then they'll be, they can build off of that. Bet it. Bet Yankees, sweepets. Those bright crazy odds on traffic. Then it won't, what Yankees fans should be upset that this is what I want to happen because it won't happen. You don't get the things you want to happen to happen. And Max, you had a tweet yesterday last night after it was over. You said, I may have to quit this company I keep thinking I can't have worse losses on stream and then they just keep happening Yeah, so like the Mets factor of it was like they're just and they just get every clutch hit
Starting point is 00:17:56 But you're not you're not quitting and oh my god if that yeah. Oh, yeah My god fans if that foul ball happened. I had every Mets fan. You can see the strike zone in today's baseball watching experience. They show you where the strike zone is. They still complain about pitches that are outside of that strike zone being called balls. I was fighting with that then the entire week and I was like, it's outside of the zone, you can see the zone. Mets fans suck, you guys fucking suck. Alright, so you just turned to memes when you said that, you did block memes on Twitter last night.
Starting point is 00:18:34 He was doing too many memes and I was in a bad spot last night. That's fair, that's fair. I was in a bad spot and I was looking at too many memes. I appreciate the fact that you blocked him not because he was tweeting at you, not because he was tagging you. It's too many memes. You just didn't want to see his memes on the timeline. I'm with you on all of this, Max, by the way.
Starting point is 00:18:51 I unblocked him in the morning. I just, last night I was, it's good we're talking about this now. Last night I was in a very bad spot. Yes. Not having to talk, yes, getting a little bit of time is good and you in that moment, it's the worst. I was like, yes, you should block him. He's memes-ing too much. He was doing a lot of memes. Wait memes, did you follow him back after he unblocked you? Because when you block someone,
Starting point is 00:19:18 you don't follow them anymore. I don't think so, but I'll go do it right now. That's nice. See? This is good peace treaty Yeah, I like this a lot So max you were not taking back saying that correct looking at you when I said you guys fucking suck You were actually very respectful during this during this whole run. Yeah quitting or not Not quitting. I'm not good. I never said that I was quitting
Starting point is 00:19:39 I said I may I may have and then every Philly fan in my replies are just like please quit please quit That's mean Max. We love you. We missed you. I felt bad for you. I really did Do you want to address? The butt crack not just the butt crack The torn underwear those are like it was like a five dollar pair of underwear It was like an old pair of honor where I thought would bring good luck Okay, so can we put that clip into the know can we put that now we pull that clip? I was actually so pissed off about that. Yeah what no we're not in it
Starting point is 00:20:16 Why because YouTube no no, but it will put in the rumble no come on put the show us the clip pull it No, no why there's zero chance I would I mean can you pull it up nope? I didn't even know there's a there's a picture of his ripped underwear Yeah, so what is it about this underwear? That's so ripped. There's a massive hole kind of max come on The people want to see it everyone has old under old fucking underwear I just know what else is fat that you get to fucking see it when you stand up, but why is it? Why is it your lucky underwear? I don't know. It was just Go pull it up the people have to see it no max. It's for the AWL stuff for you. It's no than you no I
Starting point is 00:20:57 There's no chance I had that I was so pissed off that like our own accounts were fucking tweeting that last night like I went through so much fucking shit in that room That's why you were there for my fucking asshole I mean you understand that's where you draw in the line if you're on a live stream and you're getting mad and your underwear pops out and you got a hole in it do you think people are not going to click that? There's so much other shit that was going on in there I got fucking smoked in the head
Starting point is 00:21:42 by a fucking by another asshole and more people are talking about my fucking butt crack Holy shit Fucking ass crack that comes out Jesus Christ It was partially the ass partially the rip in the rip in the underwear. It was the rip. It was also the face that you had right, right before you hit the camera out of Dukes and the face. I just like things you fucking ass. The face that you had, it was just like pure things. You see see it was like a road rage video I also love the idea of big J's listening to this podcast to see what skip a listen
Starting point is 00:22:29 Yeah, they're sitting through max All right, I gotta I gotta watch the video just so I can really guys so oh my god I love you so much max max. I I'm very upset though because I didn't see any of the overalls Max, I'm very upset though, because I didn't see any of the overalls. You had lucky overalls. You had brand new overalls. Yeah, no, I thought about it a lot and I just kept going back to remembering how I felt in the old overalls and I was like, I can't have this again. I can't have this.
Starting point is 00:23:02 It was such bad vibes the first time why would I rewind the bad vibes Better or worse vibes, and you felt seeing everyone talking about your asshole Can I just can we watch the video? That that's great you can watch it right there. I'm watching it I'm watching it too the face that he does is just the best face I want to get a frame and you're sitting you're sitting babies baby mode on the ground I'm watching it. I'm watching it too. The face that he does is just the best face. I want to get a frame and you're sitting you're sitting baby baby mode on the ground. Fucking camera out of my face. Did you damage that camera. It was Duke's
Starting point is 00:23:37 phone and I apologize to him right after. So like when I get people who think that this shit's an ag it's just it fucking it just happens it's not yeah and it was a fair ball it was you're right true you were right on that like it was a justified explosion all right so All right, so Max, where do we go from here? You got a chain. You got it. The underwear would be a good first. I mean, kind of the whole point of wearing overalls is that they go over all including your uncle. We have to we have to move on from this.
Starting point is 00:24:21 It was what did you did you did you break the chair? No, I just like slammed it. Did you know did you know in the moment that that your butt crack was out? I will not be addressing Max you know what phase the moon was in last night. I love that we were Do you know what phase the moon was in last night? I love that we were Planning on like organically we're gonna talk about it. We knew that Max is getting upset at some point I thought it was gonna be just about the Phillies feeble effort little did we know it was about his ass crack He didn't think he was gonna have to address the ass crack. Listen Max has has the headphones off right now So I will say I think I think that's is right
Starting point is 00:25:05 I think I think he's 100% correct What I think he I think he's right about what about the future of the Phillies like yeah, no no he's right This is they don't have a world sir. Yeah, this feels like it's you know We can we can try to turn the page on this chapter the Phillies right now Memes I'll say this max the ass crack was not the highlight of the video the video I know I'm just gonna say to him No, anyway, the highlight of the video was your face Memes how happy are you? Yeah memes Congrats. I'm excited
Starting point is 00:25:57 This is one of those runs. What is he doing right now? He is on Twitter. I saw a picture of the Rizzler. Okay. Timeline cleanse. He's taking a timeout. All right, he's back. He's back. This makes all the shitty years of watching worth it. This type of run. Yeah, it happened in 2015. It's kind of happening now Just every time you take their out they just something special happened. I know people don't want uh Like it's hard from a national perspective to root for the Mets or be like, oh, I'm happy for the Mets I am happy for the Mets Mets fans are tortured. I don't know he take it off again Yeah, no, I would you rather be talking about Mets fans being tortured or the ass crack max No, he take it off again. Yeah. No, I would you rather me talk about Mets fans being tortured or the ass crack max
Starting point is 00:26:51 What is he looking at now continue, okay, they are they're tortured they're a torture fan base So it is it's fun to see them have this run and it seems like There's just something about playoff baseball. They have just every big hit every big out. They got some magic. What's going on? There's definitely some magic going on remiss They got you got grimmies and also shout out to all the fans that show up to baseball games wearing the full-on grimace outfits Yeah, I know they're the knockoff grimace outfits. I don't think that they're actually McDonald's. I think they're like party city grimaces That's got to be a very inconvenient way to watch baseball game. Yeah, those mascot eyes, but they're doing it. They've got grimace They've got they've got the song memes has that song go? Oh my god. We had the gay Mets to what's that? We just didn't lose in June. Oh, the gay Mets. Okay, got it. The game met OMG Mets Seymour wiener. He was at opening day. The game met. Yeah. And Jorge Lopez happened this year when he threw his glove into the stand and said, I'm on the worst team in the league. And they were 22 and 35 at that point.
Starting point is 00:27:51 And then turned the season around at that point. And Hawk Tooe. This is kind of crazy because like, Steve Cohen, the owner, this team isn't really, does he have his fingerprints all over it? Or is it kind of like just magic in a bottle where it got the team got Forced into this weird set of circumstances where this is your starting light now, and they all kind of caught fire at the same time I Will say they all caught fire at the same time because there's a lot of expiring contracts on this team It was kind of glued together. Yeah, and half of our salaries down in Texas with the Rangers
Starting point is 00:28:24 and half of our salaries down in Texas with the Rangers. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was the end of the sentence. Okay. Yeah. That was the end of the sentence. We don't work on periods. Yep. Max, let's finish it before we get to picture preview. It's, it's going to get better.
Starting point is 00:28:36 You're, we love you. It's going to get better. It's going to get better. Yeah. Whatever. Hank, tell them it's going to get better. It's going to get better. It's going to get better. Yeah, whatever Hank tell him it's gonna get better. It's gonna get better. It's gonna get better But how mad are you at Hank right now max? I was rooting for the Phillies. I actually I I don't give a fuck As you shouldn't so is that a very mad at me no, I just Let's get the picks and previews. Yeah, let's get the picks and previews.
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Starting point is 00:30:39 four, then one. We also have a good slate of buys this weekend. I like it when it's very evenly split between good teams and bad teams in the bye week. So this week we've got the Chiefs on a buy, Rams on a buy, Dolphins on a buy, and the Vikings on a buy. The Rams won the bye week. Yeah. They're the bye week winners. Chiefs, I mean, we just keep forgetting the Chiefs. Never count out Patrick Mahomes. Yeah, 5-0 and just rolling. Yeah. If the Royals somehow do some work during the bye week, then I will say that Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs have won the bye week. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:31:11 But yeah, the Rams needed this bye. Getting healthy. Yes, they did. Big time. All right, so let's get into some games. We need a bye from the Dolphins too. Yeah, absolutely. That would be fine if they just didn't come back.
Starting point is 00:31:19 Yeah. How long would it take you to notice? It would be at least a week. I think I could go a week I think maybe when Tua comes back Wait, there are certain teams that go on the by and I forget that they exist that happened with the Titans and the Chargers this Week you have to remember the Titans the Titans you gotta remember the Titans But yeah, the Dolphins didn't play next week either. I don't think I would fully realize it for another week
Starting point is 00:31:41 Yeah, and then I'd be like, oh shit Because they're just it's not even like a, you can't even make the fantasy argument because all those guys stink now without Tua. Yeah, so this is, I think this is goodbye week. Yeah, goodbye week. Okay, let's get it going. Jaguars at Bears in London.
Starting point is 00:31:57 The Jaguars, hopefully everyone's okay from Hurricane Milton, have some, I think they were delayed by a little bit. So they usually go Thursday, Bears went on Monday. I think Jaguars are ended up going on or are going to go later on Thursday. This is a must win for the Bears. I would say so. Yeah, you got to this is this the meat of your schedule, right? This is the this is the you got to make some hay time got to dive into that meat right now. I do think the Bears defense will give Trevor Lawrence some issues. I also, I don't know if you guys agree with this, but there's something about like there's teams when the urgency when they're when they haven't won a football game, the urgency gets
Starting point is 00:32:37 really high. They win the game. Doug Peterson said it himself. There's a weight off our shoulders. Now I'm in. Yeah, I think go against you. Doug Peterson is he's like black and white when it comes to lying and telling the truth. Yeah, I think anything that Doug Peterson says before a game that week is a lie.
Starting point is 00:32:55 Everything that he says after the game is usually the truth. Yes. Yes. And so this week, except for again, the good conversations, good conversations and before and after games. Well, maybe it was a good conversation. The fact that they had a conversation. Yeah. And it's important to communicate with people. That's true. So this week, I think he's lying about Tank Bigsby. Okay, because Tank Bigsby has outperformed ATN at running back and they're asking him.
Starting point is 00:33:21 Well, are you going to give more carries? He's like, no, he just had a good game. Like that's how this league works. You don't just's like, no, he just had a good game. Like that's how this league works. You don't just give a guy more carries because they had a good game. That actually is usually how football works. Yeah. If your friend plays well, then you give him more carries. So I have a feeling that he's lying about that. I am a little nervous about Tank Bigsby and Etienne because if you there's one thing the Bears defense could get a little better on is run defense at times.
Starting point is 00:33:44 But I must win Calebs looked better and better Must win can't lose the Jaguars can't lose it can't let the Jaguars win their game next week I have a stat for you PFT from bet labs. That's really good Speaking of the like weight off your shoulders after a win and when you get deeper into the season you in your you're winless So teams in week six or later coming off their first straight-up win of the season are 45 and 82 straight up so 35% in their next game. Okay, this is obviously a two-point line So yeah, they could cover and lose straight up, but it there's something to be said behind
Starting point is 00:34:22 The feeling of oh we won one we can have a sigh of relief We're okay also because a team that waits that long to get their first one usually isn't that great? No, definitely not definitely not so I you know I don't think the Jaguars are very good and I would be a very sad boy if the Bears lose this game because again It's a must-win. It is a must-win. You got it. You have to stack your wins now. Yeah, so Yeah, I remember the first game that, that I went to here in Chicago. You remember that we went to the fairs Jaguars game and it was rainy. It was shitty. We did. You were in a, you, you were in a wheelchair. We did
Starting point is 00:34:55 a, uh, we did a preview of the game in a porta potty. I think we were vaping in the porta potty. Yep. A hot box to porta potty with Uncle Chaps, that might've been one of the worst NFL games ever to go to. That was a pretty tough one. I would put that one right up there with that Jets Broncos game that we saw earlier this year. Yes. People will ask me like,
Starting point is 00:35:13 oh, have you ever been to a game at Soldier? And I tell them that story. I'm like, yeah, it makes me never wanna go back. If we had the worst seats, I think we intentionally made it the worst experience possible. Yeah, we did. We were doing that as like kind of a bit, but like it was two not good teams.
Starting point is 00:35:27 And yeah, you were in a wheelchair. I was in a wheelchair at the time. Yeah, that was because we had gone to the NLCS the night before and you walked and further broke your foot. But my foot got more broken. Well, and then they dug into it and they didn't discover a fracture once they did the surgery. But it was pretty much it was pretty much broken. It was basically a broken foot.
Starting point is 00:35:44 But yeah, I think I agree with the big cat. This is a must win they did the surgery. But it was pretty much broken. It was pretty much broken. It was basically a broken foot. But yeah, I think I agree with the big cat. This is a must win week for the Bears. Jaguars defense is bad too. Their offensive line didn't look bad last week though. They looked good last week in fact, the Jaguars. Yeah. They have some guys. They got some guys and also Trayvon Walker, the most forgotten number one overall pick
Starting point is 00:36:01 of all time. He had a big week last week week too. So, um, their defensive line can get at it. But again, I like, I like the bears this weekend. I'm with you on that one. Um, there was a little bit of an update to the Tom Brady acquisition story from the bears. So the McCasky family confirmed it. They're like, yeah, we were in the beginning stages of conversation or we got it. We wanted to be in the conversation for Tom Brady,
Starting point is 00:36:24 but you remember what the outcome of that of not getting Tom Brady was you guys got Nick Foles. Yes. Also Jaguars legend. Yes. Nick Foles and Andy Dalton later and yeah, yeah, it all worked out a lot of domino. It all worked out. It all worked out. Okay, going into the regular slate. Cardinals, by the way, just as as an aside I hate the having your team play in the London game because not only is it like because the usually the 830 game I will I'll watch on my phone half watch trying to spend some time with the
Starting point is 00:36:56 family like I'm aware of what's going on but I'm not like fully fully glued in because I know that it's a long Sunday if I'm like, obviously this one I'm fully glued in and this is a complete like the risk of losing this game and then having to just sit there all day all day. It's similar to playing the first game on Thursday of March Madness. If you lose that it's so disastrous. If you win it, it's free free football for the rest of the day. It's great day. Yeah. But I don't like I don't like having that if you lose it. You might also people might just forget about that over the course of the day. Yeah. But it just sticks in the back of your head. You're like, God damn it. How we lose that game. So got to win this game. You know, last Sunday, I think it was statistically the longest NFL day ever because
Starting point is 00:37:39 you have the London game and the rain delay at the night game. Yeah. So it was the longest day of NFL football we've ever had. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Cardinals and Packers. Cardinals, awful win. Packers, they're good. Jordan Love, is he fully healthy?
Starting point is 00:37:58 Here's what I think will happen in this game. I think the Packers are going to win. I think they're going to win semi-easy. And I think it's going to be because Jordan Love has gotten healthier and Is gonna stop being in shotgun every single possession every single snap. Okay, that makes as he's good at play action I think that's the last step of the Packers offense coming back and they also you saw it on Sunday They were getting the tight end involved. They're gonna run the ball. I just the Cardinals defense is They're going to run the ball. I just, the Cardinals defenses,
Starting point is 00:38:27 they played great in the second half against the 49ers, but I just like a team that comes off a huge, huge win has to travel. I'm going to, I'm going to go against that team. Yeah. I think Jordan loves getting better. He got better over the course of the last game. He's been doing that in every game. Yeah. So he did the first time, first game he came back. It was three bad quarters, one good quarter. This time it was two bad quarters, two good quarters. So you'd bad quarters one good quarter this time. It was two bad quarters two good quarters So you'd assume just one bad quarter this time. Yeah, so he they went down 14 to 7 after that hilarious interception. Yeah, they're like slapstick interception and then he completed 12 of his next 13 passes
Starting point is 00:38:58 Yeah, right after that Dobbs. I believe is back which sounds weird. Yeah, so what's going on with Dobbs Dobbs from my understanding He skipped practice which that fucking rocks weird. Yeah. So what's going on with Dobbs? Dobbs from my understanding, he skipped practice, which that fucking rocks in the NFL to just skip practice. Yeah. That's something straight out of high school where you're like, I don't feel like it or my buddies are going to go smoke by the steps. So I'm just not going to go to practice. It's like a very high school thing to just be like, um, you know what? Fuck it. Yeah, I'm not calling. I'm not going to work.
Starting point is 00:39:21 I don't know what's going on because it feels like there might be something mental health I don't know because they had to go check on him to make sure everything was okay And then what he got he got suspended for one game. Yeah, it by that by the team So maybe he's back and okay. I don't know in Christian Watson possibly. I thought I saw a Saw Christian Watson saying something good about Dobbs. No, I'm sick We're glad to have him back Christian Watson might play Oh, yeah, he did Christian Watson came to his defense and Christian Watson returned to practice Okay, so the Packers could be getting a lot healthier better. I think you're gonna get
Starting point is 00:39:59 Barring the weather a Packers offensive explosion because I feel like you're the same way as I am about this type of stuff. But has there ever been a game that you've watched between two teams and then that that game stays in your memory for so long that it affects how you see all the other matchups. You're talking about the shootout. I'm talking about the shootout. The shootout. So I'm expecting a lot of points in this game. Yeah, because of that playoff shootout. Was it Kurt Warner against Rod Rogers? Yeah. And that was one of the coolest games that I've ever watched was just points, points, points. Yeah, it's like 4948 or something. Yeah, and that was one of the coolest games that I've ever watched was just points points points Yeah, it's like 49 48 or something. Yes, you know what the final score when I see these two uniforms on the field at the same
Starting point is 00:40:31 Time I just my my brain goes back to that game Yeah, and I expect there to be a lot of points wait not that one. Wait was it 26 20? Why did my oh, I think they play the playoffs, right? There's a playoff game between Packers. Oh, yeah, 51 45. Yeah, there it is. There it is 51 45 Yeah, that was the shootout game. That was the crazy game. Yeah, so I see these colors on the field at the same time I agree and I'm like, okay, it's gonna be a points factory Yeah, I'm trying to think if there's any others that I can think of off the top of my head. Oh, I guess chiefs Rams. Yeah, from that Monday night.
Starting point is 00:41:08 Yeah, that one's a good one. That was a great one. Chiefs Rams. I mean, Jags Titans, but I'm always right about that one. Bengals bills for a different reason. Yep, I just expect someone to need CPR. In my head, it does. Praise for tomorrow.
Starting point is 00:41:23 Um, that that's just a fact uh yeah that's good point I didn't I didn't think about it but you're right you're right points and it's not this weekend but it's next that Call of Duty comes out right yeah and Kyler I mean credit to Kyler for doing a Call of Duty commercial for doing an advert I gotta lean into it lean into it gotta lean into it. Gotta lean into it. Gotta lean into it. Okay, next up, Commanders at Ravens, PFT. Yes. This is a very big game. Yes.
Starting point is 00:41:50 This is a measuring stick game. I like that. I like measuring stick. I've seen people saying passing of the torch game. No, I think it's a measuring stick. It's not a- It could be a passing of the torch game in retrospect, but I think going into it, like, it could be, we could look five years from now and be like, that was a passing of the torch game in retrospect, but I think going into it, like, yeah, it could be,
Starting point is 00:42:06 we could look five years from now and be like, that was a passing the torch game. I think going into it, it has to be measuring. Yeah. So pass it. People are talking about passing the torch. Is this the week that Lamar Jackson finally surpasses Jayden Daniels as the better scrambling and passing quarterback? I think it's too early to say that. Okay. I like the measuring stick game. I'm still dealing with my PTSD, my post-traumatic Snyder disorder, where I still feel like going into every single week. This is the week that it all falls apart. Yeah. I do think that the Raven's offense is the best in the league. Yeah. It's the best in the league. Our defense, I don't, I don't think that what we saw for the last two weeks can be expected to be the, the defense that
Starting point is 00:42:44 we're going to see moving forward, but I don't think we're going to be as bad as we were in week one. Yeah. And I'll be, I'll be okay with that. Like this is a game, this is a potential statement loss for the commanders this weekend. It's an interesting game because the commanders as great as Jaden Daniels has been, and he's been great. A lot of their offense, uh, working has been the run game being so effective and the Ravens, uh, run defense is very, very good. So it's like, this could be a game where Jayden Daniel has to do like a little more. And I think he will. Um, I also think this is a good spot though, PFD, because you have Ravens off of Sunday night football, big win against the bills over time.
Starting point is 00:43:20 Yep. 77 snaps for the offense last week for the Ravens. And then you get them in a noon game. I don't know. I think it's good spot. Now, if, if we win this game, I will say all the reckless things that I've been thinking about that I have, I've somehow stopped myself from saying, absolutely. I will be the happiest boy that I've ever been in my entire life. If we win this game. And I think it's a possibility. I think we could win this game. Yeah. I don't think it's likely, but I think, uh,
Starting point is 00:43:53 if the Ravens play a lot of his own defense, that's when Jayden has his games when he's like 90% completion rate against man. He's a little bit less of that, but, um, yeah, we'll see what the Ravens defense does. I had a dumb thought about this game. And I texted her friend Chris long because Chris played on the defensive line in the NFL for a long time. He hasn't gotten back to me because I just had the thought and I texted him. I was like, is this really dumb for me to say this or not? Maybe you guys can tell me.
Starting point is 00:44:16 Our pass rush is not good. Our defensive end's not great. Our defensive tackle's very good for the commanders. Is it maybe sneaky a good thing that our pass rush on the end sucks against Lamar? Because you naturally keep contained because you're not good enough to get downfield and turn that corner? I think you'd probably want better guys though. No it might be better to have worse guys.
Starting point is 00:44:41 I don't hate the thought. This is like 3D chest, 5D chest levels of rationalization that I have worse guys. Yeah, I don't hate the thought. I don't hate the thought. This is like 3D, 5D chess levels of rationalization that I have right now. They're so slow they can't physically give up contain. Exactly. That's exactly what I'm saying. It's like if you have a really slow player on your hockey team, it's like, well, he's too slow to ever be off sides.
Starting point is 00:45:01 Yeah. Yeah, I don't hate that. We should mention, cause we have to mention Lamar Jackson is 21 and one straight up against the NFC. Yeah. Uh, which is crazy. 11 and 11 against spread. So don't be afraid to take the, take the spread and the commanders in the spread. I think I will, but, uh, that should be mentioned. Also fun fact, a couple of fun facts for you in this game Sunday's game will tie the record for most Heisman Trophy winners on the field at the same time. So we got Jaden. Yep. Marcus
Starting point is 00:45:33 Mariota he might not be on the field though. Yeah well he's on the sideline. He'd be on the sideline. Lamar. Yep. Derrick Henry. Yep. There it is. for so the other time it happened was the Raiders and Bills in 1998 had Tim Brown Desmond Howard Charles Woodson and Doug Flutie Wow Yeah, kind of cool, and I'd really like to draft Travis Hunter next year. Yeah. Oh Travis Hunter He's playing this week, and he should be the Heisman another fun fact Dean Pease is back. He is back one of my favorite names in the ever D Dean Dean P E S Dean P. So he's a he's a special assistant to defensive coordinator Zach or for the Ravens.
Starting point is 00:46:13 Dean peas is back. Yep. Dean peas. We don't know much in the name, but he's back in an advisory role. Yeah. The guy named Dean P his name literally translates to Dean P's Dean P's Yeah, he looks like a football guy. He looks like a football lifer He's from Ohio Dean P's credit to the Ravens because their defense hasn't looked as good as they did with Mike McDonald. I agreed I Do think Joe Burroughs playing well, the Ravens secondary has not been great. Yeah, they run defense been great I think Joe Burroughs been on that like he's been on fire. Yeah, cuz Raven secondary has not been great. Yeah. They run defense been great. I think Joe Burrows been on that. Like he's been on fire. Yeah, because they did
Starting point is 00:46:48 look good against the bills. That's true. They did shut down the bills. That's true. They also got off to a nice early, early lead against him. Yeah. Big Hit. Have you ever been addicted to watching hype videos all the time? This is the first I've ever been addicted to. Oh my god. I've been watching all the I've been watching all of them. I think that's how I learn about 90% of my new music catalog is just via watching hype videos. Oh my God, these hype videos.
Starting point is 00:47:12 It's better than porn. Yeah, hype videos are the best. I also had another question about this game this week here for you. The report came out yesterday that Jaden Daniels gets into the facility at 4 AM.m. every morning is that too early i think every quarterback does this no it's not every every 4 a.m. there's there is a there is a story that comes up that's like this guy is the first one in he gets
Starting point is 00:47:37 in so early it like i like this you should be getting in that early i like you if that is your job i like max doing 4 that. 4 AM? 4 AM. Fine. All right, fun fact off that. So I don't know what time every quarterback gets in. It does feel like too early. 5 AM feels more appropriate. Did you know that our coworker and trying to be college football expert Brandon Walker,
Starting point is 00:47:59 who lives almost in Wisconsin, do you know that he sometimes like this morning got here at 630 in the morning to beat the traffic? Yeah he just paces around. Yeah no I know he pays but but I'd like he is now so obsessed with traffic that he wants to get in here in 55 minutes flat that he leaves at 530 in the morning. I don't blame him. Crazy. I would think about doing that too just to avoid traffic because there's always some asshole and he doesn't have to be here till it's always some asshole That's broken down on the highway and and jamming you up true true. That's like that I mean, he's an older guy that is like a dad move
Starting point is 00:48:34 I said he went to sleep at 7 last night, so I guess that makes sense, but still that's that's too early Update on the El Camino that broke down traffic because of massive traffic traffic jam. It was not out of gas. Thank God. It was almost out of gas. Okay, so I'm not that big of an asshole. Okay. By the way, this is the best start Lamar Jackson gonna get fixed. Yes, it's in the process of getting fixed and it'll be fine. Do you want to tell them how many how many miles per gallon? Yeah, so I did find out how many miles per gallon it
Starting point is 00:49:03 gets because as they were checking it out, it did run out of gas as they were running it at the garage. It gets actually somewhere between four and five miles per gallon. That's pretty good. That's awesome. That's pretty damn good. In your face, Greta Thurnberg.
Starting point is 00:49:17 How many gallon tank is it? 12? No, I think it's like 15 or 16. OK. Yeah. So yeah, you can drive for Like an hour. Yeah a few days. I will not be taking that on the highway Okay, uh, by the way, this is by by
Starting point is 00:49:36 Like advanced metrics Lamar Jackson who has two MVPs This is the best he has started a season week one through five, which is pretty crazy. Yeah scary It is scary because he has started a season week one through five, which is pretty crazy Yeah scary it is scared because he's not fat insane Okay, Colts of Titans forgot about the Titans. I Love the Titans this game you do because Anthony Richardson is coming back. I don't know if it I love the Titans if Joe Flacco plays I Love love love the Titans If Anthony Richardson plays. I think the Titans are the snake-bitten team of the year.
Starting point is 00:50:10 And snake-bitten mostly means we'll have us turnovers. But they are, they've been in every game, right? Like they could, they should have beaten the Bears. They should have beaten the Jets. Who was their, who else did they play? They beat the the Jets. Who was there? Uh, who else did they play? They beat the Dolphins. What was their third? Their other game to play the Colts? No, they haven't played the Colts yet. Packers. Okay. That was Malik Willis. That was the first week. Willis. Yeah. Uh, yeah. I, I think we'll love this is going
Starting point is 00:50:39 to have a good game. There it is. That's my hot take. I think we'll love this is not going to turn the ball over. I think their defense is really good. They're off a buy, maybe fix some things. And I also think the Colts defense is like, remember how last week I said, the Colts defense or the get right for Trevor Lawrence, I think they're just to get right for everyone. It could be that could be so do you think that will love us watching Mason Rudolph go in there and run the offense somewhat competently that little little fire on his ass inspiration, it might be a fire under the ass game for Will Levis. Yeah, I just I don't know Maybe this one is way off, but I I really really like the Titans this game I like teams and any team off a bye like I don't know. It's just something about it It's like oh, they're off a buy. They got a little rest. They feel good. They worked on some things Mm-hmm. I I don't know what to think until I know who's starting this game for the Colts. Yeah. I can't go against Flacco. Yeah, Flacco. Yeah, no, that's fair. Flacco to me is an automatic over. But the Titans defense is good. Yeah. That's the thing is like, I think they'll be able to handle
Starting point is 00:51:37 either. I would prefer it be Anthony Richardson. I'd like my bet more. But yeah, that's kind of where I'm at. What's the line on this game right now? Two and a half on draft kinks is that right Hank Hank you be our line expert got it be our line expert What do you got three Colts are plus? Oh, it's gone to three Okay, minus one 18 is that maybe Anthony Richardson being called the starter because I think he would I think Which would be crazy, but I think he's the only one who would be named starter and that would go against they would go against Yeah, the line would would not be in the look up if he wishes playing again They're stuck in that spot where I don't think anyone in the world Thinks that auntie Richardson right now is better than Joe Flacco, but you have to play what I saw is that he is he's been practicing more
Starting point is 00:52:26 He's been doing more in practice this week. Oh, here's a here's a headline That I'll read. Well, it's paywall. Nobody's lying about Colts. It's QB Anthony Richardson, but nobody's telling full truth Is that a lie? I don't know. I can't read the whole thing in a court of law. Yeah Yeah, the whole truth. They make you say the whole truth the whole truth. That sounds like it might be a lie And Jonathan Taylor, I don't know if he's playing or not But yeah, I like the Titans in this game. I do I do it's probably stupid You know what? This will be my this would be my I'm quitting the Titans if they lose this game
Starting point is 00:53:04 Bet I'm not not taking the Titans if they lose this game. Bet. I'm not, not taking the Titans. That is my last, last line in the sand. Yeah. I mean, off a buy off a buy off a buy. If they can't, if they can't compete against the Colts off a buy, I think that's fair to abandon them. Yes. Do you ever write teams off for the entire season?
Starting point is 00:53:18 Yeah, I do. Sometimes they'll still come back somehow. And then I, then I feel bad because usually those teams that are right off, they end up coming back and winning. Yes. Yes Okay, Hank you ready Texans the Patriots It's Mayday Hank. We is there anything you'd like to address In terms of no, I'm excitement for Drake may I am nervous for this game
Starting point is 00:53:42 I I'm not gonna say I'm excited because I just I still I've thought about it I slept on it you know you guys told me I should be excited I'm excited to see him in the in the throwback jerseys I'm just nervous I'm not excited I'm nervous okay can I make you a little feel a little bit better sure Nico Collins is out Nico Collins is very important to the Texans offense okay that the Texans offense has felt at times like we're in trouble, hit Neco Collins. I actually think in a weird way this is gonna help the Texans going forward
Starting point is 00:54:13 for the rest of the season because they're gonna have to learn how to play without Neco. Tanktel. Yeah, but they're gonna have to learn how to survive without Neco. There was a mutiny Hank for Drake May was there. The mutiny worked that the Patriots will have maximum effort in this game because
Starting point is 00:54:34 you have to you have to have maximum effort after a mutiny. If you say was his mutiny I saw one report with the word you need and that wasn't that legitimate. Do you know this show? That's legitimate. That's as sources as it gets. Hank, if you do a mutiny for a guy and then you get the guy to start, everyone's got to be like, hey, we got to step up because we did a mutiny for it. That's your guy that you've installed. I just pulled up, I just looked up Patriot's Mutiny.
Starting point is 00:55:02 There's multitude of articles. Multitude of articles. If you look at Patriotots Mutiny. There's a multitude of articles. A multitude of articles. If you look at Patriots Mutiny. Jared May responds to Mutiny. Patriots. We won't read that one. Well it sounds like it's about these articles are in response to that
Starting point is 00:55:18 one article that said there was a mutiny. But they're all talking about it. There's smoke, there's fire. Good point. Good point max but you want you want there to have been a mutiny Hank because now the mutiny worked and Now they're gonna play hard for You got some skin in the game in other words the reporter who said that he got a little carried away with locker room mutiny comments on Patriots podcast earlier today a
Starting point is 00:55:44 Little carried away a little not all the way carried away a touch of mutiny. Yeah, I like you. I know you should be rooting for the mutiny though because the mutiny like I would understand their team to be have a mutiny. Listen to me. Listen to me. You ever seen Captain Phillips? Yeah, they took over. Look at me. I'm the captain now. I'm the captain. I'm the Drake may I'm the captain now. Hank, you don't want to mutiny unless mutiny works. If it was still in state of mutiny, you'd be like, fuck this. This is bad mutiny, but it worked. They got the mutiny done. The mutiny is over. And what's the end goal? This mutiny again, keep going over this. It's fine. It's fine. What end goal was we need Drake made a play because he gives us the best chance to win.
Starting point is 00:56:28 If he gives me as a hypothetical wide receiver, the best chance to get more stats, dude, think about it. Like we've talked about it before. Uh, post ski, post shovel, post, uh, or like, you know, post game winning, uh, you know, drive tailgate beer, post mutiny beers up there. Like the boys are pumped after a mutiny that worked a successful one. Yeah. Not a mutiny that's still going on a mutiny that worked. I'm pretty sure it was Devin McCordy that said it, but when the news came out, he said,
Starting point is 00:56:59 I wish we had let Houston wait till Sunday to figure this out. That would have probably been smart, but you also had a mutiny on your hands. So you kind of had to deal with it. Now, I would have been a lot more excited if it was like Sunday 1130. And it's like Drake may starting. Yeah, and I would have been fired up. You get the pop. Yeah. But it's better. The alternative is that the mutiny doesn't work. It gets quelled. It gets put down. That's way worse. And then you're never drinking a beer again. Right. And then the season's over. At that point. Locker room lost. I do think Drake, I think the offensive line will be better.
Starting point is 00:57:30 Because Drake May, he can run. And he can pass. Two things that Jacoby Brissett couldn't do, which are very important parts of playing quarterback. I would say pros for Jacoby Brissett, he's better at getting hit. He's better at getting tackled and getting back up again. Pros for Drake May at playing quarterback. Who are you going to bet on this game? The
Starting point is 00:57:51 Patriots plus seven. You have a one, you have a one game chance to ride the mutiny. You have to take it. I don't, you. It's minus six and a half right now. You don't. I, I, I want to do a mutiny on him now so he can see how fucking great it is. I have. It's minus six and a half. Memes max. You guys got to do a mutiny on Hank. Just show him what it's like.
Starting point is 00:58:15 Against Hank? Yeah. Mutiny is ass. Yeah, memes has a, memes has like a 25 page manifesto. Right and, okay, so that that is perfect example in these terms Memes is actively trying to mutiny you right? He hasn't been successful What is he a grumpy guy if he was mutant if he mutinied you he would be happy That's a bad example. That's not a bad example
Starting point is 00:58:42 When you're actively in a mutiny, you can't be happy because you're like fuck. I'm thinking about this I just can't see memes as a happy guy okay but hypothetically maybe he would if you if you disappear I don't know if one man can do a mutiny I feel like one man is a lone wolf right but if somehow he got Max on the side and pug and Shane and me and big cat and we mutinied you we got you out of there do you think that the vibes would be higher yeah I think we need to mutiny Show him what your absence would cause a mutiny I'm saying that in this situation where we all hate you hypothetically then we get you out Hypothetical then we'll be happy hypothetical is hypothetical. So hypothetically it sounds like that Drake may is gonna give a little spark to the locker room
Starting point is 00:59:22 Yeah, I'm excited to see what happens. I'm nervous. Are we still calling it Mayday? Sunday will be Mayday. That's Mayday. But again, Mayday, not a great term. Mayday for the Texans. Mayday for the Texans. I did look up the origins of Mayday because I was like, why do pilots say Mayday when they're about to crash? It's actually from it's a French pilot term. Because they would say, uh, a day Ed sound. it's a French term for help so it's
Starting point is 00:59:46 just saying help me may day may day and then everyone's like oh they're saying mayday so fun fact pardon my French maybe just texted our production chat saying we're starting a mute yes and when this is successful we're gonna we're gonna we're basically just gonna do an experiment on you and then when they figure when they get the mutiny done you're gonna we're gonna we're basically just gonna do an experiment on you and then when they figure when they get The mutiny done you're gonna see the vibes. They're crazy You got to ride the mutiny. I just got pug and chain computers. They can't there's no way they're mutinizing against me Oh shit. Good luck memes you bought computers
Starting point is 01:00:16 kind of You told Pete to buy him computers something like that Cam Newton All right, be excited Hank Nico Collins hurt. He's really good. I also know we didn't we weren't here last year for it I don't know how I'm gonna get to the office because the marathon. Oh Yeah, you were in trouble I looked it up today like it's yeah, I'm not you are it's impossible. Yeah, you're in trouble You might just sleep here on Saturday
Starting point is 01:00:45 You're gonna have to just run the marathon. I have a gas room, Hank. I do too. Super Bowl. You can stay over. Listen, it sounds like Max might be in this mutiny. He's like stay over at my house. It'll be fun. And then kill him? Yeah, then kill him. Kill him. Mames is like yeah. Bucks Saints. and kill him and kill me. This is like, yeah. Uh, bucks saints, Spencer rattler, rattler, baby Spencer rattler. So I was thinking about saints quarterbacks and I couldn't remember the exception of Ian book the last time that the saints had a rookie quarterback
Starting point is 01:01:19 that they had starting for him. I looked it up and it goes all the way back to 97 with Danny Werfel. Oh, so the Saints are just one of those teams that doesn't ever start rookie quarterbacks over. Yeah, mostly because they had Drew Brees for a long time. And then now Derek Carr. But that that in book game that was bad. That was because of COVID. I think they had both their backup quarterbacks. So Monday night. Yeah, that was ugly. But yes, Spencer rattler. I I'm excited to watch Spencerattler. I think I think the Saints are live in this game. I think the Saints are live in this game. I think everyone's gonna say Spencer Rattler stinks. Hammer the box. I here's the thing with Derek Carr. Nice guy. Recurring guest. First two weeks looked
Starting point is 01:02:00 awesome. If you saw him Monday night, it felt like he was going back to Derek Carr where it was dump off, dump off, dump off, moonshot pass. Maybe maybe Clint Kubiak has maybe he can mold Spencer Rattler in his own image. So you're gonna be in the sidelines for Spencer Rattler? I think he will be up in the booth. I just think I think three and a half is a lot for a division game. And you know, Mike Evans will get kicked out. And Mike Evans loves fighting. At some point he's going to be out of this game. But that was usually, it usually has something to do with CD Deuce. I think Lattimore too.
Starting point is 01:02:32 Lattimore, yeah. Mike Evans always gets into a fight against the Saints. So do you guys, do you guys like the Bucks here? I like the Saints. I don't, Ebo, a kid we work with here has been saying don't, you know, don't overthink Spencer rather rookie of the year offensive rookie of the year. Oh wow That's a great way to put it don't overthink don't overthink that all right wait all right. Yeah, I'm done thinking about it Yeah, if you don't if you don't think about it at all It's a great bet so I'm gonna bet the Saints this week the less that in mind because if there's any if there's any way
Starting point is 01:03:02 He does it he has to start hot. Yep. Yeah Here's here's another thing just throw in there just a thought starter Saints defense is still good, right the Box won a game against commanders not a great defense won a game against the Lions not a great defense won a game against the Eagles Not a great defense Scored seven points against the Broncos. Very good defense. Yeah. Are the Saints closer to the Broncos or closer to the commanders, Eagles and Lions? I would say they're probably closer to the Broncos in terms of defense. Just a thought starter. It's a good thought starter. When you put this all together, it
Starting point is 01:03:39 ultimately is going to come down to whether or not Spencer Rattler is good. Yeah, of course. We don't know of course But it also is it's just one of those games that I My dumb brain said hey, this is gonna be the easiest thing ever I'm gonna take the bucks and then I paused and said hold on a second idiot You've been doing this a long time. You've been losing a long time. Maybe it's not that easy Yeah, I don't hate the Saints at all because you want to be on the right side of calling Spencer rattler being good. Correct. Correct. Uh, okay. Browns and Eagles max. What are the vibes? Do you want to do Phillies right
Starting point is 01:04:15 now? We did it already. I've already done it. Okay. So what are the vibes for the Eagles? Let's focus on just the Eagles Browns moneyline. Why would you say that? Max? The Browns are bad. The Eagles are bad. Lane Johnson's back. Do you Devante Smith's back? It's not true. AJ Brown's back. What do you mean? They never, they haven't confirmed that. What about AJ Brown and Devante Smith?? I heard they were bad. The vibe in that stadium is going to be horrendous. Not if they win. The vibe in that stadium, they're going to get booed within one incompletion. That stadium is going to erupt in boo. That's what's going to happen.
Starting point is 01:04:57 That's what Philly does. Yeah, Max, what is ESPN segment? We're like, Oh no, Philly's booing too early. No, no, it's just that no one expects anything out of this Eagles team well, it's gonna the Browns are gonna eat also the Philadelphia sports culture right now after I think that the the Eagles are gonna catch some some residual anger from Philly fans Why would you say that? Because they they've all I'm doing right now, Huh? That's what I'm doing right now.
Starting point is 01:05:25 Yeah, they're all you guys are on edge right now. Yeah, but they also suck. Do they suck? Yeah. With Lane Johnson, who by the way, as of four hours ago, Eagles Lane Johnson to play versus Browns post-concussion. I've been on a plane. OK.
Starting point is 01:05:44 You guys also have a pretty winnable couple games coming up. So if you look at the Eagles schedule right now, they've got the Browns this week, they've got the Giants next week, then they've got the Bengals, then they've got the Jaguars. Okay. So if they're healthy, if the Eagles are healthy, the Eagles are not out of it. Here's another thing for you, Max. According to Sports Info Solutions, they have great stats. The Browns run a majority of single high safety. Guess who dominates single high safety? Why don't you tell me?
Starting point is 01:06:21 AJ Brown. AJ Brown's gonna feast in this game. All the overs. Come on, Max. I'll be taking the unders. Cooper Dejean is gonna play in place of Avanti Maddox. That's gotta get the Eagles fans going. Come on.
Starting point is 01:06:34 Sure. Did you guys see DeSean Watson said that when talking about his benching and his bad plays, he says, I don't hear it. Yeah. I don't see it. I'm not on Twitter. I'm not on any social media or things like that. So anytime that stuff comes up, the only time I hear it is either you guys are bringing it up or somebody else outside the
Starting point is 01:06:52 building. I just don't know who it's coming from. I'm going to get everyone to Sean. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that he's probably heard a few fans that have said it at games. There's no way he has not heard a single thing because everyone is saying it. If he hasn't heard a single thing, then that would actually make me more concerned for Deshaun because that means that he's just, he's got this attitude all the time, even though he doesn't know that people want him benched.
Starting point is 01:07:15 He would basically be Jimmy Carter. He's just not waking up some days. Yeah, this is, it's concerning that, I don't believe him for the record. I don't think that, I think that Deshaun Watson walks around knowing that he shouldn't be starting right now. I actually, I did the math him for the record. I don't think that. I think that Deshaun Watson walks around knowing that he shouldn't be starting right now. I actually, I did the math on some of this.
Starting point is 01:07:28 Tell me if this is the craziest thing. Okay. If you're a Browns fan. Granted, this weekend you're playing in Philly, but you've got home games coming up. You're paying Deshaun, I believe, like 47 mil. Okay. Right over the course of this season. And I don't think it's going to be 47 mil every year, but I think it was 47 million
Starting point is 01:07:44 this year. If you do the math on it and you do the capacity at the Browns Stadium, I think it's going to be 47 mil every year, but I think it was 47 million this year. If you do the math on it, and you do the capacity at the Brown Stadium, I think it's 65,000 people go to those games. Okay. If they just all agreed to not buy any beer at the games, if there was $0 in concession sales at the games, but you can't, that comes out to about, I believe that's 40 million a year, but you can't ask Browns fans to do that. Sneak your shit in. I'm saying like, yeah, I'm not saying don't drink at a bra.
Starting point is 01:08:13 Cause they got to watch the Sean Watts. Imagine going to a Browns game sober. Yeah. No one's going to do that. That's actually Guantanamo, but be creative. Sneak your beer in, sneak your liquor in no concessions. What's no concessions, we go on a concession strike. I like that. Because a lot of the season
Starting point is 01:08:28 tickets have already been sold for a lot of the fans who can't go on like a strike. Because then you know, you paid for them, you want to go watch the games. Just sneak your beer in sneak, sneak liquor and bring plastic flasks. Why don't we start with something easy? Let's go like no popcorn. No popcorn. No nachos. You gotta let him get drunk. Yeah, you gotta eat but I'm saying sneaker shit in. Yeah, because they can't watch Deshaun Watson sober. You can that's torture. You can do a plastic flask that you fill up from home,
Starting point is 01:08:59 duct tape it to your body. Yeah, your shirt. I like the idea. Cleveland can do it. If any city can pull it off. I'm pretty sure it's the Browns. Yeah. Uh, come on, Max. You guys are going to win this game. When you win this game, we'd be happy. Nope. Oh, I refuse to get excited about any Philly sports teams for the rest of my life. You got to care, dude. It's not true. You got to care. I saw a tweet. Are are you are you thinking about abandoning the city or just not rooting for any team windows are closed rebuild Rebuild every team you know I was telling this to memes then the first The next team that wins a championship in Philadelphia will be the Flyers Because I don't give a fuck last 24 months for being a Philly fan Philly's blow
Starting point is 01:09:42 This is actually when did you start producing this show? That would be two months before the beginning of this. Okay, so you started two months before this. Philly's blow World Series after two, one series lead. Eagles blow second half in Super Bowl. Sixers blow game six, game seven to Celtics. Philly's blow game six, game seven in NLCS. Eagles start 10 and ones, crash and burn.
Starting point is 01:10:02 Sixers lose to Knicks in first round. Phillies lose to Mets and LDS Also, don't forget the the Union lost the MLS Cup in overtime and they were winning I think in the 88 89th minute and the Philadelphia Water Dogs finished second. They stink Which one of those was the worst max? Do you want me to read them again just so you know? No. I feel these blow World Series after two one series lead in 2023 Eagles blow second half lead in Super Bowl Sixers blow game six game seven of Celtics Phillies blow game six game
Starting point is 01:10:36 seven in NLCS Eagles start ten and one crash and burn and Sixers lose to Nick's first round Phillies lose to Mets and LDS. I think it's this one There's no hope. There's no hope at the windows closed for every team. Okay close them up There's like at least the last one. We were like at least we got the Phillies There's nothing that I can say right now like six or at least and bead no. Oh, oh, well playoff be Dead you haven't even saw boo you haven't seen this this new six you got yabu okay max what if you win your next four games I'm not I know I don't believe you I don't believe you either if you if the Eagles dominate the next four games you're gonna be right. They haven't dominated a game in like five years. That's not true
Starting point is 01:11:28 They started 10-1 last year remember and they put you know those games. They didn't dominate any of them, but no, that's not true I'm looking at right now Phillies blow World Series after two series lead stop stop. It was blow second half Blow World Series after two one series lead stop stop the world's blow second half The game six and game sevens back-to-back those that hurts. Oh, are you talking about sixers blow game six games? I'll fix Philly's blow game six game seven Hey memes, can you do it was two of us? I was wondering which ones you were talking about memes Can you ask max if he thinks that there's any correlation between starting working on part of my take and Philadelphia sports going to shit max do you think there's any correlation between you starting on PMT and the baby
Starting point is 01:12:13 he's doing the baby oh man he's going baby mode on us I can't I can't hear you okay let's go to the afternoon games John win this game though max Eagles money line. Yeah chargers at Broncos Roshan Slater might be back Joe Walt also might be bad. I looked at their injury report on the chargers It honestly looks like their depth chart. Yeah, it's the longest injury It is it's very long time. It's very chargers. It's extremely chargers. Yeah. I just, I, we haven't seen Justin Herbert look anything like he's looked in years past. I don't know if it's Greg Roman.
Starting point is 01:12:52 And he said they were going to try to throw more. I was always told that Justin Herbert, I distinctly remember, maybe I'm being Berenstein, bears or Mandela affected, but Justin Herbert at one point was a dynamic quarterback with a sick ass arm, right? Yeah, he was. I mean, the beginning of last year, I feel like he was and then he got hurt and now they've changed the offense. They're trying to run the ball and he got hurt again. So it kind of just gets hurt every time. Yeah. I think I like the charges in this game. I
Starting point is 01:13:24 said it. There's another one that felt too obvious where I was like, ooh Broncos at home Plus three are they gonna wear the I knew helmets if they do I'm taking the Broncos at some point There should be there should be a director of common sense for the Broncos that Sees how awesome those helmets were and they're just like fuck it We're not doing any of the other uniforms for the rest of the year. These were so good. They're uniforms again Yeah, true throwbacks Start of last year. Yeah, he had 305 yards and three touch and two touchdowns in a game against the Titans
Starting point is 01:13:56 He had 405 yards three touchdowns in game against the Vikings I think that's right around where he got hurt But yeah, he was doing okay last year and then it just kind of fell off and he got hurt and the whole team member. I mean Brandon Staley Yeah, remember Brandon Staley. I remember yeah, we remember so frustrating Yeah, I mean so it's somewhere in there put up four touchdowns 323 against the Lions in a shootout It's somewhere. I think they're gonna try to throw it more and. And also if we're a Sean Slater and Joe Alt come back, like that's enormous. Yeah. Especially against a very good Broncos defense. Do you think that that Harbaugh was watching that chief's game and he saw the Travis Kelsey laterally and he thought to himself, what if we did
Starting point is 01:14:35 this lateral, but we pitched it back to Joe Alt? That would be rumble and stumble and let him carry the ball a little bit. Did you see Sean Payton addressed the Bo Knicks interchange on the sidelines? Where Bo Knicks yelled at Sean Payton? He said it's all good. It's the heat of the moment. It's the game. It's competitive He's fiery. This is basically just a cliche for all this. We're in the business of passion. Mmm We're looking for passion and we're looking for people who have passion for the game Not other things. I think that is so important to him again. I love this response. We're on the next plane It's nothing I like saying every class every cliche mixed in with just a sandwich and in the middle of the meat was we're in the business
Starting point is 01:15:15 I like business of passion. Yeah, that's it. That's a good thing to say about your team business I should listen. I I like watching bone X play. He might not be the best but goddamn he is fun. Yeah, very fun. Uh, Steelers at Raiders Aiden O'Connell is the quarterback This is perfect because that means he I could see Antonio Pierce taking him out of the game in like the second Yep for Gardner based on play. Yeah, not because of injury or anything like that I could see Gardner coming off the bench and guess what? That's how you get a spark. Yep. You get spark, Gardner. Possibly Russ?
Starting point is 01:15:47 Possibly Russ. I don't know. I can't begin to understand what Mike Tomlin is thinking, because he doesn't. And he's got the right idea, which is why would I say anything to you guys? Yeah. Like, we handle everything behind closed doors.
Starting point is 01:16:00 The Patriots should have done that with Drake May. But I understand where he's coming from, but he's hard to read. Should, uh... Should Mike Talman cut George Pickens? No! Did you watch some of the tape? Yes!
Starting point is 01:16:13 Holy fuck, he's not trying at all. And then after, or this week in the media availability, he was asked, uh, if, like, how he can get more touches, his snaps back and he said it not it's not on me It's all up to Arthur Yeah, I mean this is George Pickens, but it's not It would be one thing if he was lighting it up. Yeah, he's just a negative right now Yeah, this is George bet This is I I love players like this cuz they're we missed the era of the diva wide We're so he's not even like you can't even say he's a wide receiver right now. He's not even running around
Starting point is 01:16:48 He's just kind of out there. He's just a diva. So I open fucking always I'm just yeah I I don't know what and Russ Russ was he's fully practicing now. He did the media availability I wonder if he's the only practice guy ever who does iBlack, but he had iBlack on for practice. I mean, when it comes time for the road trips that Russell Wilson knew he wasn't going to play in, he was just telling his family, like, hey, sorry, I got a business trip that I got to go to. You'll see me on the sidelines when I go there. Just trying to get out of the house for a little bit.
Starting point is 01:17:21 Yeah. Great, great uniform matchup. I love when the Steelers and the Raiders play. Yeah, it is good. So we always talk about Tomlin being when he's an underdog, scrappy underdog bet on. He's also in the last four seasons. He's foreign to against the spread when he's a road favorite. Oh, so this is another good situation. I do think even though Nick Herbert is out, I think that the Steelers pass rush is going to be all over Aiden O'Connell because they can't block anyone for the Raiders. I lean the Steelers, but man, George Pickens, he's in my head. Yeah, that's what he does best. But he's not doing anything.
Starting point is 01:17:59 He's so fun though. He's just, but he's not fun. That's the thing. He is fun when he's playing and catching but he's not fun Yeah, George Pickens is is if you just watch a highlight tape of George Pickens You're like, this is the greatest wide receiver ever then you watch him in the game You're like is this guy even trying? Yeah, and he if Russell Wilson gets in I predict that George Pickens will hate Russell Wilson even more than he hates Justin Fields. Although Russell might, things will get worse He might just try to throw to him all the time just to try to get him that would be the smart thing Yeah, is get him involved early get him involved early
Starting point is 01:18:29 Best game in the afternoon lions and Cowboys. I'm so pumped for this game. Yeah, it should be should be high-scoring I hope it's high-scoring. Yeah, I think it will be I have some some good quotes from you for From the Lions this week. We had so Dan Campbell Frank rag now hurt his pack Dan Campbell said he was walking through the facility last week went out of nowhere Someone punches me against the wall then I get punched again And I realize that it's Frank trying to show me that his pack is great. That's his way of telling me Look how strong I am. It's good. Yeah, I like that. That's how they figure out injuries in Detroit. I fucking love it I also think this might be one of those
Starting point is 01:19:05 examples of Dan Campbell Knowing what people will think about him Yeah, and then leaning into it and given tossing some red meat out there like we talked about having the lion on the sidelines Yep, I think Dan Campbell is secretly way smarter than we think that he is Oh, yeah, definitely and he loves having people think that he's a dumb meathead. Yeah, so this might be one of those things He's like I know what I'm gonna say. Yeah, they're gonna work. We're gonna just do injuries by punching. Yeah. And if I feel if you can hurt me, then you get your back, you're good to play football. Yeah, we also had you guys see Jordan Lewis's, the Cowboys cornerback quote, it's one
Starting point is 01:19:38 of my favorite quotes ever. So Amon Ra said that last year when they played, that Jordan Lewis was talking crazy, like some shit I've never heard before they played that Jordan Lewis was talking crazy like some shit I've never heard before they asked Jordan Lewis about this. They're like, hey, this is what Aman Ra said He said I honestly don't remember sometimes I just black out just go somewhere else with it But if I said anything disrespectful, I'd probably say it again. Love that stand. It's like yeah I'm gonna yeah, I probably said some fucked up shit and guess what? I'm going to do it again. Yeah. Calling your buddies after a night out. Hey, I don't know what happened at the end of last night, but I meant every single word
Starting point is 01:20:12 that I so good. I fucking love that quote. As for this game, I do think with Dallas's a defensive line being decimated. So I mentioned them before, but Sports Info Solutions has, so the Lions run the most 12 personnel of any team in the league. The Cowboys ranks versus 12 personnel, 23rd against run plays, last against play action. I think this is going to be every Lions offensive weapon just going fucking off. And honestly, I think the Cowboys are going to be able to move the ball too because the Lions run a lot of man coverage I think Dak is gonna like this is gonna be a big I need to be a points fiesta I like that. I hope I'm right because I need a points fiesta in the afternoon, but I want to points fiesta
Starting point is 01:20:56 Yeah so Detroit is six in the league at rushing 151.3 yards per game and the only team with two backs in the top 20 in three yards per game and the only team with two backs in the top 20 in rushing and Dallas has the 24th ranked run defense yeah and then you can drill it down further 12 personnel Warren Sharp taught us one running back two tight ends yeah sound like you know what you're talking about yeah and and the lie or sorry the Cowboys defensive line they're bad against a rush and they also are injured I don't know if Mike is back. He possibly is as skip Bayless will say missing Parsons report.
Starting point is 01:21:29 Yeah, he's not. He's not have Micah Parsons ruled out. Oh, no, that's for Steelers. Jerry Jones leaves glimmer of hope regarding Micah Parsons status for Lions Cowboys. I love the Jerry Jones. Yes, the one it's perfect, right? Like this is this is a job for a head coach. Instead, you've got the owner slash GM slash warlord
Starting point is 01:21:48 of Arlington, Texas. It's perfect. Just going out there and telling the coach what's happening. Yeah. Remember last year in this game? That was a great game. Great game. I think we were in Arizona.
Starting point is 01:21:57 Yeah, we were driving back. We were driving back. And the ending of this game was peak Dan Campbell. Oh yeah. If you thought that what Dan Campbell did in the NFC championship game was reckless This was way crazier at the end at that two-point conversion so much backed up fuck it. Let's still keep going for it. Yep Yeah, so Dan Campbell's gonna let all hang out this week. Yeah, this is nuts hanging out. Yeah, this is a revenge game
Starting point is 01:22:19 Yep, okay Falcons at Panthers is the last afternoon game. I don't care. I mean, I care, but I, I, I'm the Panthers are back. We had the fun Andy Dalton week and now it feels like we're just back to, they got some, they have more injuries on the offensive line. Like I just, I kind of want to take the Panthers, but I also, cause I just feel like Kirk cousins playing above his head right now, but this game stinks. I think Cousins is going to get better as the season goes on too. Because he's going to get healthier. He's going to be more comfortable with the new wide receivers. This game stinks.
Starting point is 01:22:52 Yes, but I'm kind of going to disagree with that. Why? It doesn't stink in a way of, you know how on YouTube TV where it says like, here's your moment of zen during commercial breaks and just plays like butterflies landing. Watching Andy Dalton and Kirk Cousins going up against each other in the football game, that's kind of like moment of zen. It's good to have it just there.
Starting point is 01:23:11 I don't really care about it, but it's good that it's on. Yeah, I just think the Falcons are gonna probably kill him and it's just gonna be another one of those, oh man, the Panthers. You had one week, that Raiders win was awesome. That was great. I think it's just good. I think it's good for the soul to have Andy Dalton and Kirk Cousins.
Starting point is 01:23:27 Yeah. All right. Sunday Night Football, Bengals of Giants must win for the Bengals. We've been on a must win watch basically every single week. They had a players only meeting on the defense. Mutiny? Nope. Players only meeting. And Mike Hilton said, I know we've been playing like shit for real honestly.
Starting point is 01:23:46 Yeah, he said this by the way. Did you guys know there's a beat reporter for ESPN calm who covers the Cincinnati Bengals? Yeah, whose name is Ben baby. Yeah, I love that Ben baby. I laugh every time every time I see Ben baby. Great name seems like an awesome guy. But yeah, I would say that that's true. They have been what's quote again I know we've been playing like shit for real honestly, that's a for real and an honest real honestly like shit
Starting point is 01:24:12 Yeah, so I like the Bengals in this game. Yeah, Daniel Jones is one in 13 in prime time. Ooh, not a great record for Danny. Ooh So again, it's must win. It's a season of must win games. It's a season of must wins games. The Giants defensive line is very good. Their secondary is a little suspect. I think Joe Burrow is going to keep, Joe Burrow has to do it all. Yeah. Until their defense shows up, he's got to do it all. And do we have neighbors coming back? I believe so. Okay. I like that. So it'll be fun. It's going to be a fun game. I'm actually like weirdly think the the Giants if they had lost the Seahawks, we'd be going into this game being like, oh
Starting point is 01:24:49 Or even if the Giants had lost no in the Bengals had won be like forget it But this the Giants are frisky. Yeah, they're a frisky team. They're defensive. Their defensive line is good. Yeah, like no joke They're good. I think they yeah, they lead the league in sacks. Yeah, 22 sacks. So this is gonna be a fun game I'm excited for this game Any other thoughts from week six max you want to take back anything you said about the Eagles? He's now this great podcast. I'm shaking his head What about this stat people people talking shit about the NFC East this year the NFC East against the AFC North? This is just this is just a stat to compliment yourself.
Starting point is 01:25:25 No, it's not. It is. I like I don't I'm done. I'm done here. And I'm done. Five and one done. But hey, this is sad about this. Yes, you got to care, dude. Well, you know why he's saying that he doesn't care. Yeah. Hank, there's and I and I and I report him. I hate to care.
Starting point is 01:25:44 Those are erroneous Hank does care You about something Hank? Yes, the fact that he can like watch his teams just play like shit and be like, oh well, at least I can golf tomorrow Actually can is depressing it's it's the the falls hitting hard. Oh, we just got a meeting email for the mutiny tomorrow I don't think there's ever been a mutiny that we've done an email for but yeah Friday October 11th 11 a.m. mutiny me meme Shane Max pug PFT oh I'm see I'm replying yes I will be there mutiny invitation
Starting point is 01:26:26 I Can't wait for this mutiny. What are we gonna do though memes? I? Don't know put them in a trash can I spoke to the advisor guys. They they also want it. Oh hell Yes, is anyone bringing snacks? Oh, hey, just nodded like of course they want a mutiny No, I don't believe that I think I like I like memes trying but I Quickest was like Hank did something yesterday. So I'm in Oh Mutiny what'd you do? I'm doing yeah. What did you do? He sounds bit. So he did something you didn't do anything like him work No, I was working you're working Hank cares guys
Starting point is 01:27:02 About things. Ah Me all right. Do you feel bad at how bad max feels I? Feel bad oh For max on those streams yes, yes, I Got a I do my dad. He also feels bad. Oh, that's I appreciate that that's Sir a second Phil Alberto has felt bad Yeah, yeah That's it we got
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Starting point is 01:28:27 varies by jurisdiction void in Ontario one boost per day when offered NFL touchdown parlay's only maximum 100% boost minimum three legs required Other wagering restrictions apply max bet varies for additional terms and responsible gaming resources see DKNG.co slash FT ball. So let's do it in here cuz max We just do all Eagles to prove a point? I mean, I do like AJ Brown to score. Alright, so AJ Brown's in there. He's gonna be my pick. You want to go do I'll go AJ Brown, David Montgomery, Hank. I have to pick an eagle. No, you can pick anyone. I was gonna I was gonna pick Jamar Gibbs. Jamir Gibbs? Okay. Hank, what's your coach's name?
Starting point is 01:29:16 I'm not good at speaking, whatever. All right, Jamir Gibbs is in I'll do Jamar Chase. Okay, because that was a sign you just gave by saying Jamar Gibbs that means you meant Jamar chase so it's gonna be AJ Brown Jamir Gibbs Jamar chase I like it that's all three windows just got to get one a window we can do this boys we can do this all right so let's do picks what's the record and who's going first the records are big cat six and four memes five and five PFT five and five Hank four and six Max three six and oh I wish you just laughed it. Oh, sorry. No. I'm sorry. Sorry Okay, let's do some pics
Starting point is 01:30:22 Hey, who's up first? I go first memes. I'm taking the Lions Minus three Hank made a face like he's calling cat Do you go for not trust him? Okay? It's week six. There's five of us. Are you like ha like the lion got you there? Do the math real quick five of us week six started with memes Got it. I'm waiting for hate to get it. You got I thought we started with me that was where I was mistake on it Me right yeah, I'll be taking the Browns plus nine and a half Why not money line? I'm gonna take the Eagles minus nine and a half. I'm gonna take the Browns Eagles over 42 and a half
Starting point is 01:31:05 I'm gonna take the Browns Eagles over 42 and a half I'm gonna take the Saints plus three Mm-hmm, and I'm take the over in the Chargers Broncos over 35 and a half. Mm-hmm I will take the Bears minus one and a half I'm going to take The Bucks Saints over 41. Okay, Spencer rattler. Yep. I will take the Bears Jags under 44 and a half.
Starting point is 01:31:34 I like that pick Max. I like that pick Max. I will take the Bengals Giants under 47 and a half. Why wouldn't you take the under in the Brown Seagulls game max? I thought about it. That was my first initial thought but now I was like Oh I know AJ Brown's gonna probably know Defense because then my defense would have to step up and but yeah, but there's part of you That's like who is gonna be a good game for the offense. No, I
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Starting point is 01:32:47 My name's Gibby. J-Jibby? Jibby! Jibby! Gibby Gibby! Gibby McRibby! Gibby McRibby! My star this week is Utah Ockey.
Starting point is 01:32:57 Utah Ockey! The Ockey team in Utah. They soak over there! They play Ockey on the pond out then in hockey. They broke a beer sales record at the Delta Center night one. But wait, I thought they was the Latter Day Saints. I thought they drank the milk. They're excited to drink, they're excited to soak, they're doing puck and they're not
Starting point is 01:33:16 fucking. Oh, not fucking. They're soaking. Soaking? Hockey. Hockey. Utah Hockey, terrible name. What should their name be? They should have mascots. team should have mascots. They should be the Utah Oasis
Starting point is 01:33:29 Yeti you see you Oasis is back a bomb with a boat snowman must sit them Rafa oh Rafa he retired he's sitting down forever could never hold up hold that torch to our boy Roger Roger Roger Roger Roger Roger Roger He's not a joke of it. He's the king of clay But Roger's the king of everything why you like Roger everything what do you like about Roger a good old boy from where? Roger from where I? Don't know where you think he's from England. I think he's
Starting point is 01:34:10 Switzerland Switzerland from Switzerland you fuck. You thought he was from England? No. You thought he was Andy Murray? No he's just the king of Wimbledon. He's the king of our home country. You thought he was from England? No he's just the king of Wimbledon. You don't know your fucking country's history! He's the king of grass. He wears all white just like those hockey virgins. In a Utah. My sleeper, Deontay Johnson. This week going up against Atlanta. He's first in red zone targets, he's fifth in targets overall. Whatcha doing there? You got some stats. I'm giving the people a sleeper! Should we sing a bit of a tune?
Starting point is 01:34:43 If you got him on your bench, put him in the game. should we sing a bit of a tune if you got them on your bench Put them in the game should we sing a bit of a tune? I'll be your dream I'll be your wish. I'll be your we did this last week. Let's do another one so after all You're my wonder I said maybe Maybe Maybe you're gonna be the one that saves me that saves me that saves me and after You're my one That's good tune thanks a couple points with the lads I
Starting point is 01:35:23 That's a good tune. Thanks. I had a couple of pints with the lads. Hey, I'm British. Hey British. That's my name. Oh. I'm British. I'm British person. British person number two. British first name, last name, person. Person. Person. This week I'm starting a cup of tea. Oh. I'm starting a cup of tea. And Roger's had a cup of tea. What's the tea? He had a tea. Ayahuasca. Oh. And then you drink it and then you fire your boss. You have to be a puke. It's a- it's mutant-
Starting point is 01:35:48 You vomit! It's mutant tea. You vomit everywhere, on the street, in the alley. Indeed you do. You hallucinate just a wee bit. Uh, not the tea time that Henry Lockwood has. No. Different type of tea time. Four.
Starting point is 01:36:00 Golfed in weeks? Uh, I'm si- That's not true, we golfed this week with you! That was the work. Yeah, but we did. we saw you golf this week. Video out soon, make sure you watch it. Yeah, Sparty. Really watch the part with Henry.
Starting point is 01:36:12 Perhaps the- the final nine holes you will into my Alaska yourself. It's for anyone who doesn't like Henry. Watch that video. This one's- It won't be out for a couple weeks. That doesn't matter, it's worth the- It's worth the fucking wait. Max- Maxwell, I think you should talk in that accent.
Starting point is 01:36:27 You sound so much more cheery. Uh- Cheerio. It's worth the fucking wait! Maxwell! That video- What do you think about Philadelphia sports, Maxwell? In this voice.
Starting point is 01:36:38 I don't really know how to do this voice. They're rubbish! Right? Right? Right? Uh, listen, that video could come out in 2035 and it would be worth the wait. I'd pay seven quid for it right now. Yeah! I'd mortgage my house for it.
Starting point is 01:36:55 I'd kill another queen for it. And sell my flat. I'm sitting this week. This week I'm sitting on my couch all weekend because college football. Fuck yeah. Great day on Saturday. Saturday. Proper day on Saturday, proper, proper day, and then also sitting on my couch on Sunday because it's a great day of football on Sunday it is, and then on Monday is it Columbus Day? Is Columbus Day!
Starting point is 01:37:17 Columbus Day, where we found the new world and we started some colonies that ended up beating us in a war, and then I'm, my sleeper on this weekend is Bob Costas. Oh! Bob Costas because he makes me wanna fall asleep. He was talking Mark Twain! He makes me wanna fall asleep. Every time I hear him he does, he does. He's a bum! And there's a drive to set a field!
Starting point is 01:37:38 Wait, was that caught? Did they catch that? Oh, they caught- oh! Oh me! Bob Costas is positively rubbish. He's rubbish- He hasn't been good since he had the pink eye. The pink eye. My cousin- My cousin gave him the pink eye when he was overseas here in England for the Olympics. He took a big steaming crap on his eyeball, did he?
Starting point is 01:37:58 He put his bum on his face. He was eating his rusty trombone out like he was playing the tuba. Hehehehe. Hey, oi all right. My name is uh, Harry Potter Harry Potter. Hello Harry. You're a wizard. I'm a wizard Harry. You got struck by lightning Harry. Not really. It was a witch's spell right Wizard a wizard spell my my son is Ben Ben Simmons he said it's disrespectful the fans think he's robbing NBA teams I agree with Ben Simmons I fucking love this guy he just doesn't he doesn't give a fuck about
Starting point is 01:38:34 anything takes a piss this is a piss out of it you think he's taking the piss right now I think he's taking the piss I think he's gonna be very good very good player this year this is the year we don't count out Vincent yeah my sitem is lieutenant Dan the guy who's riding out the hurricane down in Florida you got new leg yeah turns out he's might be a bit of a legend pedophile so we should probably not make him a star plot twist yes Henry do you have the plot twist? plot twist? no it's a plot twist that he's a pedophile there's a pedophile plot twist oh there's a pedophile plot twist
Starting point is 01:39:10 hey make the sound memes here we go there's a guy with the same name as lieutenant dan who is a pedophile oh lieutenant dan is a criminal oh he's not a pedophile fought a cop and tried to light up women on fire oh okay so i'll take it back he's not a pedophile but I caught a cop and tried to light a woman on fire. Okay, so I'll take it back He's not a pedophile. I'm not convicted for pedophilia. No pedophile there He tried to maybe been arrested a few times He's done a little bit in the in the bin tried to light a woman in fire and then when the cops arrested him He punched the cop. Oh, sorry, but not a pedophile. He punched the cop for unfairly trying to stop him from lighting a woman on fire
Starting point is 01:39:43 Got it. Something like that. But not a pedophile. So he's fire. Got it! Something along- something like that. So he's okay? He's okay. Could be a pedophile. Yeah, possible pedophile. Uh, my sleeper is the clocks! Because guess what, we're turning him- turning him forward! That's right, I'm gonna climb up to the top of Big Bend this weekend and just...
Starting point is 01:39:58 pull it right down. Turn it around! T-pull it down for an hour. Turn around. Bright eyes. Every now and then Your eyes turn around broad
Starting point is 01:40:14 and Now tonight, I need you know whenever This one a whole time. I fucking need you more than ever It's a songboy man named meatloaf Um, all right pay good job fantasy lab boys Do reminder to everyone that we do change the clocks this week. So lose an hour sleep Yeah fall back. Yeah sucks for the kickoff of the Bears Jaguars, but you get an extra hour at the bar. That's true I think they should drink should be free during that hour. Yes, so
Starting point is 01:40:52 change those clocks Skip Bayless time. Let's do it. Let's do it PFT You got a couple ads skip Bayless in studio and he's brought to you by our great friends over at Chevy There's a reason we've never done the Mount Rushmore of pickup trucks and that's brought to you by our great friends over at Chevy. There's a reason we've never done the Mount Rushmore pick up trucks, and that's because Chevy Silverado is the best truck ever, and it would just be four spots of the Chevy Silverado. Love Chevy. They've been a big part of the part of my take story throughout the years. They help us present the Lowman Award. They drove us across the country
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Starting point is 01:42:22 Promo code AWL, get free delivery on a part of my cheesesteak. I like the Chipotle cheesesteak. Got a little kick to it. I like the Chipotle chicken cheesesteak, the chicken bacon ranch cheesesteak, and the classic cheesesteak. They're all good. Check them out. Partofmycheesesteak.com. Use code AWL for free delivery. Now here he is, Skip Bayless. delivery. Now here he is, Skip Bayless. Okay, we now welcome on a very special guest in studio. It is Skip Bayless. Never thought we'd see the day, but he's here in the flesh. Skip, we got a lot of questions, but let's start with
Starting point is 01:42:58 some easy warm us up. Okay. Is Dak Prescott a Super Bowl winning quarterback? By the way, could I jump in before I go for it? This is surreal to me To you. Yeah Yeah for similar reasons So I was blessed to break through in this business for the first time really in about 2010 into 2011 which was the Tim Tebow run through that NFL season.
Starting point is 01:43:26 And on first take, we started to crush and we took over the sports media world. And then Steve and a joined me the following year. We took it up a level and it dawned on me last night as I was thinking about joining you guys that that you guys were in the rightest place at the rightest time and you became if I may Stephen A and Skip like you took over as as I was leaving Stephen A to go to Fox and FS1 you guys rose to the top of the sports media world right on time. And so it's bizarre to me in a surreal way
Starting point is 01:44:15 that I'm on with you because I honor what you guys have achieved because I know what it feels like to be where you are now. And I congratulate you on that. And it takes some luck. It does take some right place, right time. Yeah. And you were right on schedule to do what you did in this world as I was in the linear TV world. And I would say that your your career helped our career in the
Starting point is 01:44:43 fact that you guys would have the dumbest debates sometimes. Sometimes not, sometimes real, sometimes, would you say sometimes dumb? No, I would. I can't go dumb. When you did like LeBron versus MJ in Horse? Yeah. Okay, I think I got you there.
Starting point is 01:45:00 No, we did him play in 101. Okay, 101, but no, we, I think we found a niche. Because MJ would destroy him in 101. That's just me. Okay. If you want to do that, I'll do it. But, but, but the niche that we found is that we're, we just talk sports like two regular guys and it helped that we could, uh, you know, kind of play off of the debate shows. Well, you, you took a title and I'm proud to say I was responsible for half of your title and the version of it. Yes took a title. I'm proud to say I was responsible for half of your title. Yes, you were. I actually
Starting point is 01:45:29 didn't realize that until I think two weeks into the show. I was like, wait, we're calling pardon my take. Yeah. And then we got up. We got a cease and desist from ESPN. And we're like, okay, if he was like, what's this? I was like, well, we did rip off the name. ripped it off in like a fun way. Like you're saying to your audience, we're not gonna take it as seriously as they do. We're gonna do this.
Starting point is 01:45:50 Right, right. And that's gonna be two guys talking about this. Which one of us is Stephen A and which one is Skip? You know, I knew you were gonna ask me that and I didn't wanna have to go there. I think you're both Skip. Oh, okay, nice. How about that?
Starting point is 01:46:02 You know, we used to have two frogs named Stephen A and Skip. I did not know that. Both died. Oh, okay. I like that. How about that? We used to have two frogs named Stephen A and skip. I did not know that. Both died. Oh, that was a tragedy. Yeah, that was a tragedy. They got sucked up into the like filter. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:46:13 There was a white. They died tragically. They died tragically. Not of old age. We had a run of pets where they would just die. We had goldfish, we had frogs, they would just die. But we did name them after you guys. It was a white one and a black one.
Starting point is 01:46:25 The white one was Stephen A and the black one was Skip. Yeah. Okay. All right. Okay, look, I like to argue and I'm passionate about it. It's like my life, it's what I was born to do, born to be. And so I wanted to actually debate authentically on television
Starting point is 01:46:45 where I took it seriously. And I'm not gonna trick it up, it's gonna be real. I'm not gonna say anything I don't believe. And Stephen A was the perfect foil for me. I'm from Oklahoma City, he's from Queens. I'm white, he's black. And yet from the start, we loved each other. And he knew from the start,
Starting point is 01:47:04 even though I'm trying to like rip his throat out in the debate, that I always told him, no punches pulled, but none thrown. We can't get to the point where we're gonna throw punches or the audience is just gonna turn it off because they don't wanna see mad, they just wanna see heated.
Starting point is 01:47:18 They wanna see emotion, they wanna see passion, but they don't wanna see, strangle each other across the table. Right. And Stephen A and I were great that way because, he wanted to beat me, but he knew in the end, I would protect him.
Starting point is 01:47:39 Yeah. And he knew I had his back, and he knew I loved him, like a brother, and we're still to this day brothers. So the point was that we did that because I pushed for it and then you guys took it someplace new and different where you can kind of argue about sports but you don't do it the way we did. We're, I'm not going to lose the debate. Right. And by the way, I never lost a debate to Stephen A. Smith. Is that true? You're like Lenny Dijkstra's stock record. He lost
Starting point is 01:48:10 one. He lost one. He was like 350 in one. The thing that I loved about first take, which made it very different from like around the horn, which you guys both had, it was similar in that every conversation was a competition. Right. But the thing I loved about first take is there's no score. There's no score being kept. We tried that once and it doesn't work. You know what would happen? We let the audience sort of I don't even know what we're what technology we're using to let the audience actually score the debate on the fly. And I would lose 100 to one every time because I was the most hated man in sports media. I was the one person that was voting for you by the way.
Starting point is 01:48:46 Thank you for that. Yeah, I remember the ESPN phone and I would text in afterwards. But the great thing about First Take was after it was over, the winner of the debate was actually up for debate. Then you got to debate with people about, hey, do you like Skip? Do you like Stephen A? And I always said the perfect thing about, about what you guys had was you took two guys that were very, very skilled at, uh, at, at screaming at each other.
Starting point is 01:49:11 And they were maybe the only two people at ESPN that would disagree on both of the two questions of is LeBron James good and is Tim Tebow bad and putting that together, there was some magic that happened. It was magic. Big fan of that entire era. Do you, and you actually believe that Tim Tebow stuff too, right? Like you believe that Tim Tebow,
Starting point is 01:49:32 if he was given a fair shot in the NFL. Well, I'm gonna tell you what I said from day one. After I watched Tim Tebow beat my Oklahoma Sooners, I grew up in Oklahoma City, an Oklahoma fan. I was born into the tradition, can't help myself. After I watched what he did to my Sooners in the second half of the championship game, and then I saw that video of him at halftime saying,
Starting point is 01:49:54 we're gonna take the ball, we're gonna drive it down their throats. I said, God, I want that guy on my team. So I said, on the air, on first on first take before the draft if he's available at the bottom of the first round I'm going to take him and if I run his college offense I'm going to win a lot of games in the National Football League. He'll never make a Pro Bowl but I want him on my team and Josh McDaniels then the Denver head coach took him with the 25th overall pick and when he got his
Starting point is 01:50:23 chance his rookie year after Josh got fired, so he lost his guy, go look at what happened the last three games of his rookie year when he did get to play. He put up big numbers legs and arm and they won two of those three games including one over the Texans at home which he drove them to the champ to the winning touchdown at the end of the game. And obviously when Elway and Fox took over the next year, they just wanted to get the Tebow thing out of the way. When they fell to one and four,
Starting point is 01:50:53 let's just get it over with. Let's throw him into the fire at Miami, remember this? Yeah. And let's just get it over with, because he'll suck and the fans will finally say, okay, you're right about this. And all the zealots out there will say, okay, that's enough of Tebow.
Starting point is 01:51:06 And they won in overtime. And they kept winning games, as I kept saying, all he does is win. And so day after day on first take, we would bring in a parade of ex NFL players, along with Stephen A and others. And they would all fight me to the death over he can't throw. And I'd say, well, in the last five minutes of games, he has the best QBR in the National Football League, throwing the football, because as Eric Mangini once said to me,
Starting point is 01:51:34 you know, you're right about this, he gets accurate when it's time to get accurate. So he takes a one in four team to the division title and all those naysayers had to keep eating crow Monday after Monday after Monday. And obviously our ratings went through the roof. We did numbers in 2011 on ESPN2, obviously now pretty much abandoned by studio shows,
Starting point is 01:52:02 but we did numbers on ESPN2 that will never ever be touched because of me and Tebow. Yeah. And you still think, I mean, he's not good. Well, he never got another chance. Did he never get a winner? I mean, just seriously, 20 years from today, somebody who knows nothing about what we discussed, somebody will take the numbers and say, wait a second, this guy won the division in 2011 and then he beat the Pittsburgh Steelers in a playoff game
Starting point is 01:52:37 and then he never got another chance to play? Never started another game, nobody ever gave him a shot, right? Okay, how can you explain that? Well, you think he's just not good. And finally, I guess Belichick, Chip Kelly and Philly decided, well, he's just not good enough.
Starting point is 01:52:57 But you have to give him a chance to win the game because I think he could have kept winning games. What about this? What if you just made him a closer, like in baseball? He comes in, you get Dak out there for three quarters, Tebow comes in the fourth quarter. It's a revolutionary thought and it's a great one. And I do not disagree with that premise.
Starting point is 01:53:15 It's just something the National Football League doesn't do because we don't do that. But someday somebody will try that and succeed with it. And then everybody will develop a closer for their team. A closer quarter. That'd be awesome. Get some music playing, have a run out of the tunnel. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:53:30 Yeah. So have you spoken with, did Tim Tebow ever thank you for everything you did for him? I interviewed him twice. We had him once on first take and then I went to the Super Bowls in Indianapolis that year and I sat with him for an hour for a piece that we played on first take.
Starting point is 01:53:49 And I never got close to him. I never connected. I do believe in God. He obviously really believes in God in ways that I don't quite worship. But we never talked about that and it surprised me frankly that off the air he didn't say something to me about any connection we had. I didn't ever feel any closeness at all. So I didn't have a relationship. I don't have his contact. I just believed in him winning football games.
Starting point is 01:54:19 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So you very artfully dodged the Dallas Cowboys portion. Oh, I'm sorry. Yeah. I love that. Yeah Is your is your jersey in the trash still? I threw them away and my wife burned them. Did she burn the jerseys now? Wait, hang on. She took them out of the trash can burn them and then put them into the fire. It was an exorcism Yeah, what what happened with can you explain to me what happened with the smart trash can that one video that was tough It kept on closing on you. Yeah you yeah but was I not deadly accurate I know but that thing was bodying you yeah it just kept on closing on you I know
Starting point is 01:54:52 but I didn't miss a throw because I was I was going t-bow like in the last five minutes yeah it's it's like pure anger is is manifesting in my deadly accuracy. Where I'm throwing with all my might. In fact, it reminds me a bit, if I may, my Vanderbilt Commodores. We finally beat Alabama and we kicked their ass. We beat them fair and square because we outplayed them on Saturday in Nashville at our stadium.
Starting point is 01:55:24 And our smart students then took the goalpost and carried it all the way down West End Avenue, it's like three miles to the Cumberland River, downtown Nashville, and threw the goalpost into the river. It's like 134 years of frustration because we hadn't beaten a top five team in 134 years of playing because we hadn't beaten a top five team in 134 years of playing college football and we took 134 years and threw it in the river so I
Starting point is 01:55:51 took every piece of cowboy memorabilia that I own jerseys hats scarfs and I fired every piece into the trash she went into the trash and took all of the above and burned them in a big pile in the kitchen. She just set them on fire. So you have no more Dallas Cowboys merch? Well I started over with a number 17 jersey because I thought he was the greatest kicker I've ever seen in my life. So I decided. What about Eleven from Heaven? That's the new GOAT! What about Parsons? That's the new go I wish you don't know we're special. Are we talking about the guy? I have to file a missing Parsons
Starting point is 01:56:33 Parsons that's really good. You're Vandy I I said this to you before when you talked for a minute But you need to be called to task on your tweet after Vandy one when you said, if you watched or heard the end of this week, skip the show. I strongly hinted at this possibility, but didn't want to predict the upset for fear. Bama coaches would show it to their players and I would do my school. You don't get credit for hinting. You got to take the pick. Okay. But if you listen to the end of my podcast, the week before I,
Starting point is 01:57:02 I whispered it. I literally whispered we have a quarterback who gives us a chance to win every game including this game. He just knows how to play but don't tell anybody don't tell Alabama. Thank God you whisper it because the Bama coaches they probably can't hear the whispers. I don't think they did. Although they did all put they put mouse traps in each player's locker because this is going to be a proverbial
Starting point is 01:57:27 mouse trap game. Quote unquote trap game. Yeah. And I'm like, yeah, trap shooting, like clay pigeons, you know, pull, bam. You know, like that's what the trap's gonna be. But I wanted them to saunter in. I wanted them to be drained
Starting point is 01:57:40 and a little down from the game of the year. Yep. The game before, and we were coming off a bye, and we do have a Diego Pavia who just knows how to win college football games. It's simple as that. He's played five years of college football and started every year, two at New Mexico Military,
Starting point is 01:57:59 two at New Mexico State. He brought five coaches with him to Vanderbilt, including his offensive coordinator, because we needed him to Vanderbilt, including his offensive coordinator because we needed him to put us on the national map. And if that's our version of NIL is hiring five coaches, that's what we have to do. Yeah. All right. So I got a question. Uh, how do you watch all the games and how do you have the energy? I know you get up at like two in the morning to run and lift all the time, but is there, has there been a moment in your career where you've started to run out of gas or you're like,
Starting point is 01:58:26 I can't, I mean, it's, it's pretty crazy that you're able to do it and keep this up. Big cat, if you know me, I am obsessed with this. I am still more on fire than I have ever been. I live for it. I eat, sleep, breathe it, I can't explain it. You can ask my wife on our first date back in 2005,
Starting point is 01:58:50 I told her if this goes anywhere, you will always be number two to my work because it's not work to me, it's my life. It's my reason for being. I love the games. It's not a task for me to watch the games. And then you have to figure out the why of what you just saw. So I'm really into processing the why and trying to see things others don't see.
Starting point is 01:59:18 Not that I'm a shock jock. These things just come naturally to me. And then I'm going to say exactly what I see. Yeah. Okay. Do you surprise yourself sometimes when you're like, oh man, this take is, this is a fiery one that no one's gonna see coming.
Starting point is 01:59:33 Yeah, but I don't think of it as a take, like a hot take. I hate that cliche. It's just me. I don't know. It's just me being me. I- Yeah. You just think you have the ability to think counter
Starting point is 01:59:44 to what most people are seeing and thinking. Like they'll see one thing and you're seeing, hey, this is actually the story here. Yeah, I don't think of it that way, but I do think it turns out that way. You have that because you'll have opinions that's like, oh, I didn't even think about it that way. That are fresh.
Starting point is 02:00:01 Yeah, right. That make you think, and then you're gonna sit back, because you're a smart guy and you're a really smart guy, and you're a really smart guy, and you're gonna sit back and say, oh, okay. Yeah. That makes sense, because I'm not shock jockey to the point I'm coming up with something where I say, oh, this will stir up the hornest nest.
Starting point is 02:00:21 I don't have a hornest nest. I'm just me. Mm-hmm. I'm just seeing and saying exactly what I saw last night. So you don't gamble on the games, do you? Just with my pride. Or like some Mountain Dew occasionally. But actually that's a good point because you, in a weird way, you have a lot at stake on every game
Starting point is 02:00:39 because you're rooting for what you just said about the game. You're rooting for, you know, sometimes your takes that zig when everybody else is zags. You're rooting for what you just said about the game. You're rooting for, you know, sometimes your takes that zig when everybody else is zags. You're rooting for that to be right so you can get on the edge. That's true. I told you so. Yeah, okay, I'll buy that.
Starting point is 02:00:52 Yeah, so when you watch the games, are you watching multiple games at once? Or do you have, what's your setup like? My limit is three at once because I can't process, I have a hard time processing two, but I try to go three. I've got two giant screens and then I always have some game on either phone or computer. Yeah. And when you, uh, when you wake up, big cat alluded to the workout routine. How many hours a day we work it out now. Okay. I, I do cardio every day for one hour. Never
Starting point is 02:01:21 miss. Never saw a treadmill. that, just on a treadmill? I used to run outside more. Now I'm confining everything to inside. I'm in LA. It's just too dangerous to run outside. The trap, there's psycho drivers in LA. I know they are in New York and Chicago and everywhere else, but it just got too dangerous.
Starting point is 02:01:41 So I'm confining myself to all treadmill or upright exercise bike. So I do that for an hour. And I do not miss lifting Monday, Wednesday, Friday afternoon, every single week. I don't miss. Wow. I remember there was a profile,
Starting point is 02:01:58 I forget what magazine it was in, but somebody talked about what a psycho you were in the gym. Just like, what do you listen to when you work out? A lot of times I'm listening to games. Like you're asking me how do you do it? I try to time it around a game, like, because they start earlier in California, obviously in the West. So if it's 430 or five, I've got a game on in my ear, or I'm just watching it at home. I got a home gym where I've got
Starting point is 02:02:24 a TV in my home gym. Yeah. You really are just like all sports all the time. Yeah. Which I love. Is there date night? Friday night. Ernestine's an angel for dealing with this. She's a saint. Yeah. So Friday night is date night. Yep. But the rest of- In cheat night, we have one slice of pizza every Friday night.
Starting point is 02:02:43 Oh my God. That's crazy. Isn't that crazy? We get really nuts. And you eat this- I mean, we get one slice of pizza every Friday night. Oh my God, that's crazy. Isn't that crazy? We get really nuts. And you eat this. I mean, we get like sicko, psycho, nuts. Only one? Only one? You've done two. That's the role.
Starting point is 02:02:52 I've done two a couple times. Yeah, you have. I know you've done two. And you eat the same thing for lunch every day, right? You still do that? I do. I'm crazy. So, what do you eat?
Starting point is 02:03:03 I'm happy crazy. Every Monday you sit down, you make all your turkey sandwiches? No, we have a chef make them. Okay. Yeah. But I eat white meat, turkey and broccoli and brown rice and like beans, like dark beans. I have that kind of combination two big times a day, lunch and dinner.
Starting point is 02:03:26 And then Friday one, possibly two pieces of pizza and that's it. And we'll go frozen yogurt on Friday night. That's bad. It's a big cheat. Now you're getting bad. That's crazy. So when we were talking about the Cowboys earlier, it always reminds me of, to go back to you and Stephen A having the constant debates about the Dallas Cowboys you and Stephen a part ways you go out to the
Starting point is 02:03:48 West Coast the Cowboys losing the playoffs it felt like Stephen a turned up the Cowboys dial a little bit yeah put the cowboy hat on sure it always felt like he was sending secret messages to you like this is for skip it's for an audience of one I'm still rubbing it in for skip did you feel that way too I thought he was doing it for his ratings, just to remind everybody. Now he's the cowboy hater, as opposed to me being the cowboy lover. So I thought it was smart on his part. But I'm a psycho, sicko cowboy fan. I'm spoiled rotten. And you asked me about Dak. Yeah. I'm just not buying.
Starting point is 02:04:25 Yeah. I don't believe. I've seen enough. I know what he is and what especially he is not. He is two and five in the postseason. And every time a big moment has come in a postseason game that is begging to be won, he's not there.
Starting point is 02:04:42 And they played a game three years ago at San Francisco that was begging to be won by the defense when Michael was riding highest. And he was at least a defensive player of the year candidate. And he basically took over a game at San Francisco that the offense needed one play to be made. And Dac missed five open receivers in that game and they lost a close game and that was as close as they're ever going to come to getting to an NFC championship game with Dak Prescott at quarterback. Wow.
Starting point is 02:05:18 And yet Jerry has committed to him for four more years, made him the richest player in the history of pro football because Jerry just wants to sell tickets and Dak will sell tickets because he's safe and you know he's going to put up gaudy enough numbers to be somewhere on the fringe of the MVP race and they'll win some games. I got them at eight and nine missing the playoffs but but they'll win some games. I got them at eight and nine missing the playoffs, but they'll win enough games as they stole one the other night at Pittsburgh because of Dak in the end after he had three horrendous turnovers,
Starting point is 02:05:53 two in the red zone. They'll be just good enough to be a factor, just good enough to be relevant, just good enough to be the team nobody can take their eyes off of. So that's why Dak is the quarterback. I was praying for Trey Lance to have a sensational preseason to the point that Jerry would say, well, maybe, maybe I should go here and plunge with him the way the Shanhans plunged. No. Yeah, that did not happen. It just did not happen. Sometimes wake up in cold sweats thinking about Mason crossbar.
Starting point is 02:06:28 Yeah. No game has ripped my guts out more than that game did because that was arguably Dak's best game of his career. That was his first playoff game. That's when they were the one seed. That's when they had a home playoff game against Aaron Bleepin Rogers, who always plays the best against the Dallas Cowboys. There's something. And the Bears, but yeah. I'll give you that. Yeah, yeah, thank you.
Starting point is 02:06:53 But that's like too easy. Yeah, that's also, I'll give you that. Yeah. But yeah, that was a, so that- So they're the one seed at home. And they're not ready to play. And they come out and fall, what was it, 21 to something behind, 21 to three?
Starting point is 02:07:10 And here came Dak, and here came Zeke. And Dak was made possible by Zeke, and I didn't see that coming. I was more Dak at that point, but Zeke was leading the league and rushing, and he was such a force and a factor that it allowed Dak to maximize himself as a fourth round pick in his rookie year.
Starting point is 02:07:29 So all of a sudden, bam, bam, bam, he's got Dez Bryant. We roll back and we tie the game. And then it took Mason crossbar hitting two intergalactic field goals that had no chance of making it over the crossbar. And the first one was a dying quail that that that he missed to the right. He actually it was a near shank but it was definitely a slice and it faded just over the crossbar from 53 maybe what first one was and the second one we're indoors and go back and look at I dare anybody call up the video it hooks badly
Starting point is 02:08:11 off his foot there's no wind indoors he hooked it and as soon as it left his foot I won and the hand of God comes down and pulls the ball back inside the left upright I don't know how a football hooked left and pulls the ball back inside the left upright. I don't know how football hooked left and then somehow faded back to the right with no wind. I don't know how it happened. It was not meant to be. Yeah. That's probably the closest they've come to. That was a pretty good team too. Well, let me ask this about this, the new iteration that we see the Cowboys, are we still all in or are we all in my ass? All in my ass. I tweeted that and it blew up and I was like,
Starting point is 02:08:51 what's wrong with that? I think somebody thought it was some perverse sexual. Yeah, yeah, no, that's exactly what people thought. No, it's just all in my ass. All in my ass. You follow no one on Twitter. Do you ever see any other tweets? Like what's up with that?
Starting point is 02:09:10 You know, you asked me about forming opinions. Yeah. I just don't want to be influenced by what anybody else thinks. Yeah. So I don't need that. I don't want that. I want to be completely true to myself, authentic,
Starting point is 02:09:23 as cliched and silly as that might sound to you guys. I just want to be me and I don't need anybody to define me or to help me form my opinion. I don't want to respond to what the public's opinion is. I want to set the tone and the table. And you know I only had my days working with Stephen A and Shannon Sharp both of whom I love like brothers. My only grievance with either one of them was when we'd go to break and they're looking at their phone and they're scrolling like seeing what what Twitter said in those days Twitter what did they say about what I just did?
Starting point is 02:10:06 Yeah. As if they need validation that they won the argument. Wait, and then in my days with Stephen A, one guy in Alaska would say, you just got your ass kicked, aren't you embarrassed? And we come out of break and we go back on live TV and he's angry at me for reasons I don't know. And then he might turn to his camera and say,
Starting point is 02:10:32 and I don't care what you say, I'm right about Tim Tebow or whatever. Yeah, yeah. Right? And he's out of his mind, I'm saying, what are you doing? Yeah. And it's because there was the one guy in Alaska
Starting point is 02:10:43 who told him he just got his ass kicked. Yeah. And I would say you're so much better than that. You're Stephen A. freaking Smith. Just stand on your own two feet. You don't need validation. You don't want to let them creep into your psyche and define who you are on the air to actually have, play a role in how you're gonna respond to me and then coming out of the next break, seriously? So that's why. That's commendable.
Starting point is 02:11:12 Yeah, I think it's a very human emotion and instinct being out in the public sphere and looking for that validation. Do you guys look at what people say? I try not to as much because of what you just described where it's like I could see 100 positive comments and then one guy and that will ruin my day. So I think I've gotten better as my career's gone on.
Starting point is 02:11:33 I was a one guy ruined my day guy. I started in 2009 on Twitter and for maybe a year, I would look at my ads, my responses, my mentions, and I would find, I would see one guy who said, your hair looks like shit today. And I would think, it does? My hair looks like shit, maybe it does. Maybe it does.
Starting point is 02:11:57 And it would start to affect my concentration. Okay, so why would I inflict that upon myself? Yeah, no, it's smart. It's a good way to go through it. So your career, was there, I mean, you don't lack in confidence. I think that's fair to say. Was there a moment though where you, not a light bulb moment, but let's say a light bulb moment where it's like, oh, I can do this and I have a skill here and this is what, you know, I'm good on air, I'm good on radio. Was there that moment for you? Or did you just always think, Hey, I'm the best I can do this?
Starting point is 02:12:30 That's a great question. Thank you. That question. Thank you. I'm not sure I have that moment. So quick background story. I began to do things for ESPN in like 1989. I started being a regular on what was called Sports Reporters with Dick Schaap back in the day. Mike Lupica, Tony Kornheiser, Bob Ryan, and I found right away I liked the medium. It was good for me because I could really, I'm more introverted off-camera, but I could really come out of my shell and just be me and that's the real me on camera more than off-camera. And ESPN liked what I did so they started a show called Cold Pizza whose remnants are still first take but they started in 2004 and Mark Shapiro was running ESPN
Starting point is 02:13:32 and called me and said you've done a lot for us I need you to come to New York and try to help us save my show because that was his signature morning show based in New York City it was a show loosely based on sports that was his signature morning show based in New York City, it was a show loosely based on sports that was sort of the GMA Good Morning America of ESPN. Not a great idea because if you want GMA and you're just a casual sports fan, you'll probably just watch GMA.
Starting point is 02:14:00 Right. And they were getting no ratings. So he said, I love you as a debater, it's what you do best. I'm gonna sports up cold pizza. I want you to do four segments a day. It was with Woody Page at that point because he was already on the show.
Starting point is 02:14:15 You guys go back and forth four times a show and let's see if we can spike the ratings, which we started to do. But the first morning I was there, we did one rehearsal for the show runner who was not a sports guy, and then Brian Donlon who became a good friend of mine. So, we go into the debate,
Starting point is 02:14:37 it was just something we did trick up at that point just to see how it felt. We were going live the next day, and two sentences flew out of my mouth. I went first and Brian Donilon came running out of the control room down onto the floor of the New Yorker Hotel at 34th and 8th in Manhattan where we shot the show and screamed at me,
Starting point is 02:14:57 you're, can I say that word? Yeah, you can say whatever the fuck you want. He says, you're way too fucking hot for morning television. And I'm like, Brian, trust me on this. This is what you need for morning television. And that was a eureka moment because I stopped him in his tracks and he shook his head and he said, okay, okay, just take it down one notch for me and we'll
Starting point is 02:15:26 be okay so we finished the rehearsal and I took it down one notch and then the next morning I took it two notches back up and the rest was ratings history because they eventually pulled every plug in New York City on ESPN Stephen A's quite frankly and they had Howie Schwab stump the Schwab, and Josh Elliott on ESPN Classic. All plugs got pulled, but they couldn't pull the cold pizza plug because we were making money, because we were starting to rate, in large part, because of the debates.
Starting point is 02:15:59 Because we were actually doing some hardcore sports talk in the midst of the pet segments, and ballpark food segments in the cigar segments that were good morning America on ESPN. Yeah. So from there, they just actually deserves its own show, deserves to be, have other shows even packaged around the idea that this is our centerpiece of the mornings. At what point did you first debate Stephen A. Smith and did you realize instant chemistry? I did, and that is also a great question. Great question.
Starting point is 02:16:39 That was in Los Angeles in 2002. We were both on Jim Rome's show on what was called Fox Sports Net. It was the forerunner to FS1s today. And Jim did a show called The Last Word on Fox Sports Net and he would frequently have different sort of sparring partners on. He loved me.
Starting point is 02:17:05 And one day, fatefully, I got paired with this guy, Stephen A. Smith. And I got a kick out of him from day one. And right away, we got into it about some NBA topic. And Jim became a spectator at a tennis match where his head was just going back and forth and back and forth and back and forth and back and forth and I knew right away this had magic to it. We just clicked because he has the greatest gift of gab in the history of television in my view and there's something about his respect for me was instant and you have to be able to respect where he let me go hard at him. He's got a big ego and I love him but he has a huge ego because he's earned a huge ego.
Starting point is 02:17:56 And yet he already had it then and he allowed me to go right at him and to make little jokes about him and to insult him in the realm of the debate. You don't know what you're talking about. No one can tell Stephen that, but I just knew right away he's going to let me say that to him because he didn't know what he was talking about. So I was just telling him the truth. You're just so wrong about this
Starting point is 02:18:26 because of X and Y and Z. Yeah, but, and he loved for me to set tables for him because he's a great reactor as opposed to a pre-actor. I'm more of a pre-actor where I'm gonna go boom, boom, boom, and he can sit back, stroke his chin and say, wait a second, and he can take back, stroke his chin, and say, wait a second, and he can take my point D and say, did you just say that X is Y? Yeah, I said that, what do you make of it?
Starting point is 02:18:57 And here we'd go off on a tangent that he was comfortable playing over here in that might not be the question that was originally asked by Jim Rome, and I knew you can't teach that you can't coach it you guys know it you have it it's connection it's chemistry that that either happens or it does not happen and there's there's no manager there's no showrunner I don't know what you guys go through behind the scenes. Hank tells us what to do all the time.
Starting point is 02:19:28 Yeah, he's the puppet master. Well, that's fine. And yet, he can't tell you exactly what to say when it's time to say it. And right away, I'm in your flow right now. And it's really a beautiful place to be because it's magic. You have it.
Starting point is 02:19:47 And I don't know why you have it. You could thank God or you could thank, you could thank the gods of Barstool. I don't know. Something happened that connected the two of you and you play off each other and you're comfortable with the flow of this and you don't step on each other. And I don't know if you ever fight off the air, whatever you probably do because
Starting point is 02:20:09 I did with Stephen A occasionally because it's what happens when you're doing this. Although you guys don't do it at the sort of go for the throat level that we did. But the point is I just knew right away that he liked me that turned into loved me. So, yeah, and it all, I love that answer because chemistry is the most important thing. We don't really fight off air. The only time we ever really had was the dip spit.
Starting point is 02:20:37 I accidentally left a bottle of dip spit. I used to. Yeah, it was all the way to the full. But it might not have been my bottle. It had no cap on it. But it also might not have been my bottle. It had no cap on it. But it also might not have been my bottle. Okay, but real quick, so would there ever be a show where Big Cat thinks that PFT jumped in too much?
Starting point is 02:20:57 Or are you just? We've never thought about anything like that. No, not like to the point of arguing about something on the show. I mean, I'll say this, we've been doing this for eight plus years. There's definitely shows where I'll walk away and be like, Oh, that wasn't our best, but we consistently are doing it every time. And there's also a lot of shows where I'm like, we'll say it out loud.
Starting point is 02:21:16 Like that was a great show. Like we hit everything. We were in the flow. So my, I'm very curious because what you said was, was kind of beautiful about chemistry and I believe in it big time. What we have here is special and I don't take that for granted. You're now though kind of going out on your own. So is there part of you that is going to miss that? And are you a little not scared? Cause I don't think you probably ever get scared. Uh, maybe if Charles Barkley showed up to your door, you might get scared. We can get into that later,- My wife would handle him. Trust me.
Starting point is 02:21:46 Yeah, shout out to Ernestine. Is there though a piece of you that's like, I don't know if I wanna do this solo because I don't have that foil, someone to go back and forth with play tennis almost. Also a good question because- Very good question. Now, ironically, I'm coming after you guys like I want to do what what you did I did the linear TV
Starting point is 02:22:10 at the highest level and I Needed another challenge and this is it you were in the right space at the right time and and you guys are extraordinary not just you guys but the whole barstool universe is Extraordinary what you have achieved in a fairly short time so maybe I'm a little late to the party but I need to be late to the party because I need that challenge and I found over the last two years on linear TV as those ratings start to erode slowly but surely, that people want video, they want digital, and I was reaching far more people with my videos, with my tweets, than I was on linear
Starting point is 02:22:54 television. And it was an eye-opener to me till, this was two years ago, I'm saying, I gotta go do this. And yet, I gotta take baby steps because the hardest thing I'm finding right now is to find the right foil figure. I'm still doing my solo podcast. I just go solo for an hour. I don't know anybody does that on the internet the way I do it and it's fine and it's I can scratch the itch but we are now trying to develop
Starting point is 02:23:26 three or four different shows, an interview show, a debate show. I'm even thinking very strongly, every time I had Ernestine on air with me, on Undisputed, the ratings went through the roof, and we're thinking about she and I doing a show together because she is a live wire fireball. she and I doing a show together because she is a live wire fireball.
Starting point is 02:23:47 She's the only one who will shut me down. So we're thinking about even trying that. But the foil figure for the debate show has been very difficult for me to find so far. And we are scouring the backwaters for it. Yeah, so, and you obviously leave FS1, you know, what is it, a month or two ago. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:24:10 The ending with Shannon, people talking about, is there any regrets there? Because obviously there was, it felt like what you were talking about where PFT9, we don't fight off air, but it felt like it was kind of a real fight on air at times and viewers can see that and feel that And that's where it might turn a little bit. Yeah, I understand that. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:24:31 Trust me on this. I love that guy and we were together for seven years in a very different way than you guys are together because we took it up a notch from Stephen A and I, in the end Stephen A is more of a showman, an entertainer, so our debates could be a little sillier than the ex-pro football player now in the Hall of Fame versus me because I do know football and I would take it to whatever depth Shannon wanted to go to on X and O football. Wherever he wanted to go, I'll go there because I learned from a lot of great people in this business.
Starting point is 02:25:19 I learned from Don Shula and Bill Walsh and Tom Landry and Jimmy Johnson. I know football. I don't know the jargon that Shannon knows about 22 Man and Bomb Litz and whatever the Denver Broncos used or the Baltimore Ravens used for jargon, but we would get into it about football and he would get miffed occasionally that I would dare to go that deep with him about football
Starting point is 02:25:44 when I didn't play football. And I've said this from day one, my experience debating pro football or basketball players is the greater they were at playing, sometimes the less they actually can explain about why that or that or that happened. Because not that they didn't work hard, but it came so naturally to them
Starting point is 02:26:08 that they can't see or feel exactly why it works. See Michael Jordan as the team builder in Charlotte, who was the biggest disaster of a general manager in the history of sports, the greatest performer and player in the history of sports, was the worst team builder in the history of sports for low those many years in Charlotte because he couldn't see why can he play and he can't because he was too supremely gifted at what he did. Yeah. Okay so we would clash occasionally on the football part. Don't
Starting point is 02:26:41 you understand I'm in the hall? Yeah I get get it, I understand, but that doesn't mean I can't have an opinion that's correct about whether he can or can't play. So my point is, I loved Every Minute with Shannon, but we took it to levels of supreme debate where it went right to the edge and occasionally slightly over the edge of competitive. To where we got mad at each other and by the seventh year, it's a long time, man. We had some great runs. We
Starting point is 02:27:14 did some big ratings numbers, trust me, that will never be touched again in FS1 history. I doubt. God bless them, but I doubt it. But the point was that, yeah, in year seven, did we fray a little bit? Sure we did. But I fought for him to stay, and I don't know what happened between Shannon and the people upstairs, because I was not privy.
Starting point is 02:27:38 Right, yeah. But he went before I went, you know? And it tore me apart. I did not want him to go. and I told him the last day, I sat with him in his dressing room, and I said, I envy you because you're gonna get to go do what I wanna do. I still had a year left on my deal.
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Starting point is 02:29:09 Golden, Colorado. And now here's more Skip Bayless. So what would happen when you would go, I like the idea of supreme debate, by the way. It's almost like Nirvana. You've reached the higher pets, like an ayahuasca of debate. You've gone through the wall.
Starting point is 02:29:24 But what would happen when it would get frayed a little? Like the famous, obviously, the higher pets, like a ayahuasca of debate. You've gone through the wall. But what would happen when it would get frayed a little? Like the famous, obviously, the Tom Brady, that moment. That was the moment. Yeah, that was the moment. But what happens after the cameras are off? Is it fuck you, fuck you? Is it don't talk for a while? Tell us as viewers how that comes back together
Starting point is 02:29:43 a little bit, or did it not come back together? I showed him from day one in 2016, shortly after you guys had started. Our first day was September 6th, 2016. You were- We were March- March, 2012. So you were about six months.
Starting point is 02:29:59 Yeah, yeah. I tried to make him understand, because I handpicked him, because I really thought he could do this, and can do it and did do it because Shannon works hard at the craft. He was always prepared and always on time and always there for me and I love him for that and I will be forever grateful to him for what he gave to me for seven great years or maybe six and a half ish because now to these incidents the the one okay so I think I misunderstood some of what he was saying but what we're talking about
Starting point is 02:30:40 Brady and I'm a Brady fan I don't even know Tom Brady but when he won seven of these and I can make a case he should have won eight because I still don't understand why Bill Belichick benched Malcolm Butler for the Philly Super Bowl I don't get it I've not heard a rational reasonable explanation of what happened but he played the most snaps on defense and then he doesn't play any snaps in the Super Bowl and I don't get it. Something must have happened behind the scenes, but both Tom and Malcolm said nothing happened
Starting point is 02:31:10 behind the scenes. My point is, it's hard to rip that. It's hard to criticize that as savagely as Shannon began to criticize Tom Brady. and I just couldn't get it. And so at one point he says to me, you do understand I'm in the Hall of Fame. And I said, yeah, but you're not in this guy's universe. He won seven Super Bowls, nobody's in his universe.
Starting point is 02:31:41 And Shannon got mad about, somehow I'm disparaging his career. Well, no, he won three Super Bowls and he's in the universe. And Shannon got mad about, somehow I'm disparaging his career. Well, no, he won three Super Bowls and he's in the Hall of Fame. And there was some misunderstanding to it, but there was no lingering fight about it. And when we went to commercial, I tried to show him from day one,
Starting point is 02:32:00 when we go to commercial, I am letting all of it go. I'm passionate about it, but I also know the show must go on. So I'm gonna walk away for a second, as I always did. I walked over to my little desk and I began to prep for our next debate. And I let it go. People who ran the show decided
Starting point is 02:32:20 we should maybe sit down after that one, and we did, and we had a great talk about it, and we hugged and went on to the next day. So we were really good. We got through it, but that was the only day I can remember where he actually got mad on the air. You could see it. And that's where it gets uncomfortable,
Starting point is 02:32:38 where it's like the chemistry kind of. And I told you, once you cross that line, audience is like, we're out. Yeah, so that's the danger you run when when you do supreme debate. That's supreme debate. And I needed Ayahuasca after that. You've reached levels that no man has ever reached. So debate. So, uh, so Shannon leaves and like we talked about, you're trying to find your foil. Good luck with that. I hope, I really hope, I mean, in my own personal dreams, I would hope that at some point you and Stephen A
Starting point is 02:33:10 Somewhere down the line could link back up again. You never know. What's the percentage chance of that happening? I Have no idea we tried in 2020 To his credit my deal was up after my first four years. So I've been there from 2016 to 2020. And he did his darnedest, and I did my damnedest to reunite with him. And they did make an offer, and I was unaware I had a matching clause somewhere at the very bottom, in very fine print of my contract
Starting point is 02:33:40 that was standard to all contracts. I was told I had one at ESPN that I was not aware of. And not only did Fox match, they did sweeten the pot. Thank you to Lachlan Murdoch for that. So they tried to make it happier for me to stay, but I tried everything in my power to rejoin him because I missed him dearly. No disrespect to Shannon.
Starting point is 02:34:03 I'd done four years with Shannon. I wanted to go back with Stephen A. And then ESPN came up with a second idea of a hybrid show whereby I would stay on Undisputed. He would stay on First Take, but every afternoon we would reunite for 30 or 45 minutes to do ESPN plus together digital show and We tried and tried to make it happen and it's just there too many egos involved on both sides To two competitors, you know doesn't want to give anything to get they don't and vice versa So that never got off the ground. Well, I hope you find somebody I hope you find your next foil and I hope that foil is Stephen a Smith somehow. Thank you
Starting point is 02:34:49 But Shannon goes on he's obviously done really well at ESPN on his own Did you did you happen to see his Instagram live? I did not did you heard about the incident. I heard about it, but I'm give me some details. Okay He was engaged with, in an activity. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I thought we were gonna be inactive. Okay, okay. Mm.
Starting point is 02:35:11 Uh. Mm. Uh. Mm, puppy. Puppy. Mm. And it was like that for about 20 minutes. Okay, but we just did that first.
Starting point is 02:35:19 Uh. Wait. It was very authentic. Yeah, there was a lot of that. Okay. Yeah. But you didn't see anything. You didn't see anything. It was audio only When I saw it I was like I need to turn on notifications for skip bail us because I thought you might have a take about it Yeah, when you first saw so do you have a take about it now that you've heard it from us? I have no take about it. Um, do you guys have a take about it?
Starting point is 02:35:43 I guess a perfectly normal activity Okay, that healthy male was engaged in and both parties seem to be enjoying themselves and I'll buy that Again, I feel like you maybe want to hear it again. So you can have a take about it No, I'll I'll wait until later today Or maybe tomorrow just be careful with your phone. It might be terrible with your phone It might just go live at any given time and we'll never know. Yeah But yeah, I hope you I hope you find whoever that next foil is.
Starting point is 02:36:07 Thank you. Doing the podcast by yourself, you said you did it for an hour. So it's just an hour of- Takes. Hour of takes. Straight takes, hard, long form, bearing my soul, emptying my heart, all the passion spills. And I've been doing it for a couple of years, I kind of did it with my left hand at Fox
Starting point is 02:36:30 just to have some outlet something else besides undisputed. And yet, my greater passions lie in all these other shows that we are developing. Did you did you find that over the years, your, um, your enjoyment of sports has increased or increased? I love that because you talked to a lot of people in the business and they say, like after being around it for so long, you get either burned out or you get numb to it. I like hearing that you're getting more excited by sports. I mean, my God, I watched Vanderbilt University beat Alabama and it was the greatest moment
Starting point is 02:37:07 of my sports watching existence on this planet to where I felt a joy that I'm getting goosebumps as we speak that lingers, that continues on through the week for me. I felt a satisfaction that I could spill out in my podcast that dropped this morning that I've never felt watching a game and I'm still going strong. You know, like those things are happening.
Starting point is 02:37:37 They're still out there. I was watching the Dodger game last night and they used eight pitchers. Now I'm thinking, well, you can't do that. I grew up in an era with Bob Gibson going nine every night in two hours and two minutes. And I'm watching Dave Roberts use eight bullpen. You know, he's going one inning, 1.1 inning. And I'm thinking this is absurd the way the evolution has changed in this game.
Starting point is 02:38:06 So I'm fast, I can't stop talking about all these things that drive your lives. Right, right. Right? Is there a take or an opinion that you wish you had back or one that you're like, man, that was dumb? Or do you just always look forward, never look back? I would tell you the truth.
Starting point is 02:38:27 I'm telling you from my soul, I have no regrets. If you have one you wanna throw at me. Oh, I got a bunch. Okay. Derek Fisher will prove to be a much better NBA head coach than Steve Kerr. Okay, I love Derek Fisher. Yeah, but Steve Kerr's won a lot of titles. Yeah, okay.
Starting point is 02:38:46 What year was that? Help me out. That was 2014. Okay. I still believe in Derek Fisher, right place, right time. Okay, sorry, I like this. I just do. All right, here's the thing Big Cat's not gonna say.
Starting point is 02:38:58 At that time, he could have been right. Yeah, yeah, he could have been right. Everything's wrong in the benefit of hindsight. All right, here's one. Manta Itao tell the next Ray Lewis Yeah, I I didn't know about the fishing incident that was about Yeah, there was This good like Johnny Manziel
Starting point is 02:39:18 I thought he could go to Cleveland and take the town over to where he'd be bigger than LeBron James Ultimately because football is way bigger than basketball in Cleveland, Ohio. And yet I said repeatedly on the air and my bosses did not like it. I said, if he ever has drug or alcohol problems that plague him going forward into the NFL, cause I had heard lots of stories. I said, I'm out. Yeah. So he did. And I was, I was smart. What about this one? Longterm give me Josh Freeman over cam better leader, more consistent passer, more clutch, more poised under fire, more careful with the ball. Yeah. Love Josh Freeman at Kansas state and love, you know, they went 10 and six at Tampa second day. I'm not wriggling. I'm telling you. Wait, what year was that? That was 2012. Okay.
Starting point is 02:40:10 Oh, he also, I'm trying to take a side substance abuse. This is like, this is watching, but I can't know that. Yeah. No, you can't know that as material change. Also, also cam Newton won an MVP in what he did 2015 Yeah, yeah, that was pretty good. That was pretty good. It was pretty good. Kim Newton pretty clutch You won a Heisman. That was a pretty pretty crazy year with a he won a national title with the not a great Auburn But then he started dabbing he won another one at In done the junior college level. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, he was he was pretty good. I mean there I like that you're able to Yeah, yeah, he was he was pretty good. I mean there I like that you're able to
Starting point is 02:40:47 You're able to find your way out of all these no I just I I can't know if they have off the field issues right that are going to derail them if You saw Josh Freeman beat Texas at Texas when he was at Kansas State and they were nothing Yeah, he was impressed your college guy. Yeah. Yeah. No Josh Freeman. I like in that year He's a pro bowler and they're 10 and 6 and I'm sure that's when I tweeted that Okay, I am a college it cam was really good in college. He was he had the issue at Florida They got him kicked out of Florida, right? Yeah, but he was really good I think am new to that last year at Auburn that might have been the best season of any college player of all time Yeah, make the case. Yeah. But you didn't see Josh. He was second. He was number two.
Starting point is 02:41:29 What about, so where are we at with LeBron right now? Now I, I, I'm MJ over LeBron, but where, what does LeBron have to do for the rest of his career to maybe get a little bit of respect? Respect. I mean, he's got respect. Listen, I still call LeBron the best passer in basketball to this day, to this moment. He's the best passer in basketball. He is the greatest driver of the basketball I have ever witnessed on any level at any time. The poor man was just born without a clutch gene. And we see it again and again and again. So all of my LeBron debates have always been in the context that you started this question with. MJ or LeBron, stop it. Don't even go there because it's offensive to me you would put those two in the same sentence because LeBron
Starting point is 02:42:21 could not carry Jordan's sneakers and Mike's got a lot of sneakers to carry, right? So where is he now? He's played 20,000 plus more minutes than MJ played. 20,000 more minutes than Michael Jordan played and he's the greatest scorer in the history of basketball, even though he's a 74% free throw shooter for his career, which is pathetic given his magnitude as a score as a three-point shooter
Starting point is 02:42:51 He's at 34.8% Which among active players ranks in the 200s and among all players all time ranks in the 700s of three-point shooting. Yet, he's the greatest scorer ever because of longevity, because he has stayed healthier at a high level. He's obviously supremely gifted as a driver of the basketball, so he leads the world in scoring while he's a poor three-point and a poor free-throw shooter. And the second is more inexcusable because they're called free throws for a reason. They are free shots from 15 feet unguarded and Michael Jordan made 84% career from
Starting point is 02:43:34 the free throw line. LeBron's at 74%. Larry Bird shot 89% for his career because they're called free throws. Look how many points LeBron has left on the table over the years. So that debate ended long ago. And yet I remind you, we've seen back to back Denver series, LA Denver series, in which in fourth quarters,
Starting point is 02:43:58 LeBron has been more pathetic than ever. No clutch gene. Yeah, no clutch gene. Max clutch gene, okay. What is the clutch gene? It's being able to take and make the shot at the moment to win the game. And Jordan obviously had the clutch gene. The greatest ever. LeBron, no clutch gene. What about LeBron's other titles? What about Cleveland? Dele. Dele carried him.
Starting point is 02:44:20 Well, no. I mean LeBron's a great player I mean, he's he's obviously a very gifted passer and all-around player But he needs somebody else to take and make the Kyrie shot that won game seven at Oakland, right? Yeah Okay. So here's an interesting thought experiment. We're not gonna do LeBron versus MJ one-on-one right now, but what about MJ right now. How old is he is he 55 60 no he's oh his 50th birthday was he's like I'm not sure oh no he's might be a 60th yeah yeah yeah I think you're right it might be around 64 yeah let's just say Michael Jordan right now okay 64 let's see 61 61 61 year old Michael Jordan one on one against brawny who wins that's that's amazing fascinating yeah Mike would just out in tangible him excuse me in
Starting point is 02:45:15 tangible him he would out trash talk him and by the way I love brawny because they raised him right he's such a great kid. And he's- Bron's a very good father. Hey, come on. Yeah, you can see it. Hey, it's manifested itself a number one son. I mean, what a great kid. JJ Reddick keeps saying he's so coachable.
Starting point is 02:45:37 And yet, it's ripping my guts out to watch Bronnie through the summer league when he didn't even belong in summer League, let alone G League. And now I kept saying, okay, maybe when he's alongside his father, it'll bring out the best in Brawny because he got raised around all the superstars. Maybe he'll rise to that occasion.
Starting point is 02:45:56 So now I've seen 14, 13 minute stints in two preseason games and it's Summer League all over again. I've seen him make one basket late in the first game in two preseason games, and it's summer league all over again. Yeah. I've seen him make one basket late in the first game that he played, little left-handed layup, and I'm like, really?
Starting point is 02:46:12 Then I watch him again on the night that he actually is sharing the floor with his father for the first time ever, and he plays 14 minutes, and he turns it over four times, and he scores zero points. I'm saying, I don't know if he can play. Seriously. So it's everything LeBron has lasted for was to play with his son and what if his son just can't hack it? What if he
Starting point is 02:46:37 just he doesn't deserve any minutes with the big league team? And I know LeBron well enough to tell you it's beneath the family's dignity for Bronnie James to play in the G League for the South Bay Lakers. I don't think they want that because it's disgraceful. Like it's below their stature that they've earned. Yeah, I think it's a very cool moment though for LeBronnie and Son.
Starting point is 02:47:00 It's a great story. Okay, it's a great story. How are they gonna manage it for a season? Okay, then what? Can the kid back it up? What if he's getting 10 minutes a night and that kid Max Christie who's starting to come along, what if he's going to JJ saying, seriously? What if all of a sudden Jared Vanderbilt
Starting point is 02:47:21 or any of the guys, Kam Reddish down the bench, they're going to JJ saying, you gotta stop this, it's insanity, you just can't play. Then what happens, does it start to tear the team apart? Yeah, no, it's a fair question. It's a fair question. Well, I have one last, or a couple last questions here,
Starting point is 02:47:38 because I know you're gonna do something else in the office. One question is, when you were in Bristol, you basically renovated a hotel room and got, is that right? And you got a satellite on top, explain this, because this is like, I'm obsessive about making sure I can watch all the games, but this is to another level.
Starting point is 02:47:59 Okay, so they moved our show from New York to Bristol, and I had met my wife, Ernstine, we weren't husband and wife, but we were together, we were living together in Manhattan. She had a great job in Manhattan. All of a sudden I got to go to the mothership two hours away up into central Connecticut and I realized the first day I was there
Starting point is 02:48:22 as I stayed in the residence inn, which is in Southington, Connecticut, just down the street from Bristol ESPN, I really liked it. So why would I buy a place if they'll pick up the tab and they said, sure, well, you could stay there as long as you, as long as, like 365, I'll do it, done. So I made it my home away from home and they loved me so much.
Starting point is 02:48:48 They took care of me. I was there almost like their child upstairs. I was on the top floor. They let me have a satellite dish installed right outside my window on the top floor of the residence in. I bought my own furniture. I got my own exercise equipment into the room. It was a great room. And it was some of the most fun I ever had because they came in and cleaned every day. Yeah, nice. They gave me fresh towels every day.
Starting point is 02:49:13 Right. I loved it. It was some of the happiest days, of course, career-wise. Yeah, yeah. It was the happiest time of my life. That's incredible though, getting a, that's the residence in. And so I would go back to New York on Friday afternoon and be with Ernestine.
Starting point is 02:49:27 And yet she started to like it so much. She started taking my car service car up to Bristol for the weekend and do a reverse trip where she would stay with me at the residence in because she enjoyed the people and they're just good, good folks. I miss them. Vacation from Manhattan. Like, yeah, I work in Manhattan Monday through Friday, then I leave to get out of the city. I go to Bristol.
Starting point is 02:49:48 That's incredible. Crystal Connecticut. Go to Lake Compounds Water Park and the Watch Museum. Thank you. Yeah, I miss that. Magical place. Yeah. Big Cat alluded to it earlier,
Starting point is 02:49:57 but have you ever had the occasion to cross paths with Charles Barkley? Yeah. See, he said he wants to kick your ass. No, he has said way more than that. He said he wants to kill you. Kill you. Kill you. Yeah, he said he wants to kick your ass. No, he said way more than that. He said he wants to kill you. Kill you. Kill you. I think he said on the Dan Patrick show, he said if I'm ever diagnosed with like a life threatening illness, just invite Skip Bayless on the show so I can kill him on live TV. So he's never got a chance to meet him.
Starting point is 02:50:21 This is the closest I got, but I'm pretty sure this wasn't the genesis of all this, because I was just a columnist in Dallas, Texas for the Dallas Morning News or maybe the Times Herald at this point. Spud Webb, then big NBA star, won the Slam Dunk contest, good friend of mine. Players honored him and respected him so much that he would put on a big all-star game every summer in Dallas and everybody would come. Magic would come, Bird would come, Charles Barkley would come. And occasionally I was asked to be a celebrity coach of a team, but I would actually have
Starting point is 02:50:58 to make substitutions with the players. So one year, Charles was on my team. I tried to introduce myself to Charles before the game and he was uninterested in whoever the hell I was and yet I did have to take him in and out of the game. So true story, near the end of the game I leaned over and said, Charles you want to go back in? I'd like to try to win the game and he said brother, I want to win the game too, but my shit hurts.
Starting point is 02:51:27 And I'm like, okay, fine. And I put somebody else in and it was, who was the, shoot, I just went blank on the Kentucky, the white kid shooter, Rex Chapman, Rex Chapman. So I put Rex Chapman in, in place of Charles and Rex Chapman hit the game winner. That's a true story. So Tony Kuko, it's Scottie Pippen.
Starting point is 02:51:48 That's right, it was, bingo. So that was as close as I ever got to Charles and then as soon as I started doing this and that for ESPN in the early 2000s, he started on his tirades against me on, back in the day, Leno and Letterman and Dan Patrick and I have no idea. But it got so bad that my wife Ernestine and her mother, God rest her soul, when she was
Starting point is 02:52:15 alive, started to take it very personally because their point to me was there might be one psycho out there who listens to Charles and idolizes Charles and decides to do Charles' bidding and take you out. So you've gotta figure out some way to get him to stop using the K-word. He can rip and slash all he wants, I don't care. And I used to publicly thank Charles because he hung on every word I said on television
Starting point is 02:52:43 and I appreciated that. He was our most loyal fan of our show. But I finally went on my podcast a year and a half ago and just beseeched him to please stop using the K word just for the sake of my wife and her mom. And did he? And I'm pretty sure he has. I don't like monitor it on a daily basis.
Starting point is 02:53:04 So we're off the K word. That's good. I think he quit the K word. Yeah, that's good. Yeah. That's a yeah. Maybe one day we can bury the hatchet between you two. Cause you're right. It sounds like he does listen to what you say. He gets mad at him. I have no idea. I don't get what his issue is with me. And yet we would have Kenny Smith on, had him on a couple of times on first take and he would always say, you guys are too much alike. And I'd be like, me and Charles are alike.
Starting point is 02:53:27 But he said, just opinion wise, he wants his opinion to be the opinion and he hears yours and maybe he thinks, God, I wish I'd thought of that or whatever. Maybe there's some jealousy or resentment. I don't know, but I got nothing against Charles whatsoever. I think people will ask us because on Wednesday's episode Our guest was Troy Aikman. So he was just on where are we out with Troy?
Starting point is 02:53:49 Are things better or great worse? We're friendly He about my book that I wrote. Yeah, did you did you imply or did you say he was gay? I did not said you didn't read it. I didn't, no, no, no, we don't read. I understand, and I respect and appreciate it. Thank you for respecting that. If you had read my book, you would love the way I portrayed Troy in my book,
Starting point is 02:54:14 because Troy was the hero of that book. I liked my portrayal of him, that I signed a book and hand delivered it, the very first copy of my book, to Troy on the, it would be the camp practice field at St. Edward's University in Austin, Texas. First day of camp, practice ended, I took my book up and gave it to him,
Starting point is 02:54:36 and I was shocked that originally he did not like it, but we have come back around, and he's been nothing but great to me. And we text, and I did catch your show with him and I thought he was great. Yeah, he was. And he did it because he loves Joe Buck like a brother and Joe loves you guys and loves being on your show.
Starting point is 02:54:56 And so it was clear to me, he was cool with you because you're so cool with Joe. Yeah, yeah. All right, so I had one last question. This has been great, Skip. We really appreciate you coming in. Rowback question, R-H-O-B-A-C-K.com promo code take. 20% off your first purchase. Q-zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts. Rowback.com promo code take. 72 years old? Yep. Going on 32, but... Yep, I mean it it is you have more energy than everyone here
Starting point is 02:55:27 How many more years you got? In look, I don't know. I never think about that. Okay, so we could have like a skip Bayless 90 year old screaming about You could LeBron's grandchildren You could I hope I'm screaming about brawny but I hope I'm screaming about brawny, but then feel right at this point No, cuz it feels like you're not gonna you're not gonna stop doing what you do because like you said that is your life It's my life. There's no retirement for skip Bayless I don't even think like my wife every time somebody brings that up somewhere. We see it somewhere She just laughs out loud at it. Like they don't get you, like no. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:56:05 No, that's the last thing in your universe is I wanna gear down. I wanna gear up. I love it. Yeah. Get back to the supreme debate. Supreme debate. No one's ever done it before.
Starting point is 02:56:16 Yeah, you're like a guru. You like live at the top of a mountain and occasionally people walk up the steps. How do I achieve that supreme debate? I love the idea of supreme debate. You and Shannon reached debate levels that have never been reached. We did. Yeah, actually. Yeah. And we took it right to that tiniest razor's edge. It was dangerous. And then they were like teetering on the razor's edge. And then we slip. Yeah. And we cut our foot. Yeah, people think they want to reach supreme debate, but if you're not prepared for it, no it will end in a disaster Yeah, like try it's fast and send somebody out on on a surfboard and send them to Portugal during the storm be like
Starting point is 02:56:51 Yeah, go learn how to surf now and seriously when when you reach that level with Stephen a and then Shannon Once you've been there You're gonna love those two humans like you've never loved anybody the rest of your born days because you went someplace with them, no one's ever gone. Right, right, you have something in common with them that no other human needs. That's it. It's almost like the guys
Starting point is 02:57:15 who walked on the moon. Like there's only a few of them. It's beyond that. Yeah, right, right. Like you can only relate to those guys. It's like tantric debate almost. Yeah, I love it. Do you ever miss writing? I'm gonna write a book.
Starting point is 02:57:27 I'm just about ready to start it about my wild ride through television. So I do miss it and I'm going to, I'm gonna reach hard for it very soon. All right. Okay, okay. Well, Skip. I will read it. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you so much for coming.
Starting point is 02:57:44 This has been great. Anytime you're in the city, we'd love to have you back on. So good luck with everything and really, really appreciate it. It's been a pleasure. I feel like I went into your supreme place with you guys today that very few get to occupy. So I feel like it's been tantric. Is that? Yeah, yeah. We can do the Shana Sharp thing again if you want. No. I'll check it out.
Starting point is 02:58:11 Also, I was right by the way. I do have a tweet where you said MJ versus LeBron who would win in horse. So I was right. Horse? Yeah, you said horse. I don't think we did it on the air. I just remember doing one-on-one.
Starting point is 02:58:22 Yeah, I have horse. What about this? I have horse. What about this? What I have horse. What if LeBron matars and you just well in in in horse in horse use you. You couldn't Mike just go to the free throw line and start shooting free. Why would you have that debate? Because you it's so clear that who would win that? What year was that? Oh, let me find it. You've dug deep. Yeah. All right. So this was 2020 April 6th. So COVID you said this will be an all time
Starting point is 02:58:49 great. Who wins a game of horse between Jordan and his prime and LeBron and his now on on air. Many times we did one on one. I know we did horse. I that that's also now that I'm looking at it. That's got me. You got me. You needed something. You're right. You finally want a debate from me Right there we go. I've done what's congratulations You just have LeBron on as your as your co-host I congratulate both of you for all your success and may it continue for many years Thank you. Thank you skip Welcome back to another Fire Fest of the Week brought to you by our friends at Morgan and Morgan
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Starting point is 03:00:05 go to forthepeople.com slash PMT or dial pound law, pound five two nine from your cell phone. Love Morgan Morgan. They're the best. They are the absolute best and they sponsor Fire Fest of the Week. You've seen them everywhere here at Barstool Sports. Their name is courtside on the basketball court out here. They are the best. Check them out for the people.com slash PMT or dial pound law pound five to nine from your cell phone. Okay. FireFest of the week. Let's wrap it up. Henry. Everything's good. Yeah. Nothing crazy. The marathon. I mean, trying to the marathon is a, it's a long route. It's directly, it blocks off every way for me to get to the office I'm just gonna have to drive like 20 miles out of the way
Starting point is 03:00:49 Why don't you park your car in a spot that you can get it on? Saturday night Did you think about that? Overnight yeah, I could do that. Just find a garage. I mean you just didn't just walk to your car on Sunday morning Find a garage. I mean you just didn't just walk to your car on Sunday morning Or stay at max's soup roll. It's hit max's super bowl. What happened? Why do you say Super Bowl? Cuz night before the Super Bowl I stayed happen in and Hanks extra bed Yeah, cuz I was too drunk to get back to your room correct, which was down the hall No, that was when I was didn't sleep on the bed you slept on the couch even though there was an extra bed
Starting point is 03:01:24 Down the hall no that was when I was didn't sleep on the bed you slept on the couch even though it wasn't extra In your puke shirt and my pain you're yeah and the pants pants no the pants you put on the next day Yeah, I think the pants and you lost your phone I Did and one thing about you is that you could beat the fuck out of Hank We don't have to talk about so we already talked about enough. What what loss was that if I looked at the tweet? I have it right here. Do you want me to say yeah, okay, so this is firefest 2022 Phillies blow World Series after two wins series lead also they got no hit in that World Series. Yep 2023 the Union lose in overtime the Eagles blow second half lead in the Super Bowl. That's what it was
Starting point is 03:02:05 Yeah, that was the one yeah, they were his hands those fingers his ears again. What means you could relive that on our YouTube There's a vlog about it. There's also vlog coming out Tonight or should be out right now about max recapping and rumble and rumble. Yeah Okay, thanks memes Hank that's your only fire fest is that you don't know And Rumble. And Rumble. Yeah. Thanks memes. Thanks memes. Hank, that's your only Fire Fest is that you don't know how to get here on Sunday. Well, I was also upset about, you know, everyone hating on me and everyone saying I don't care and you know, just all the hate online.
Starting point is 03:02:35 And then I watched the NBA Starting Five documentary. Current guest, Joe Mazzulla, was one of the talking heads on it wearing the boss and parcel hat love to see it best friend And they asked him about like Tatum dealing with hate and he his response was very Missoula ask He was like you mean he gets to deal with it. Oh You want you also want to be in that situation where you're getting the hate? You're you know on one of the best teams like that's what's gonna Happen in the arena. He gets the privilege. Yeah, that you know gave me perspective I also would like to come to Hank's defense here. We've been doing this show for a very long time
Starting point is 03:03:12 I think the beauty of the show is that we're not all the same and Pft9 obviously are obsessed with football Hank maybe not obsessed with all things football But that's the beauty of it. We have a guy who maybe not obsessed with all things football, but that's the beauty of it. We have a guy who maybe not obsessed with all things football. We have a dog in the booth. We have a guy who's angry trying to actively do a mutiny and we have a big baby that won't talk about his teams anymore. We're from all different dogs. Yeah. We're from just different. I'm talking. I'm just saying that they're bad. We're just different. We're different people. That's the beauty of the show. Yeah. It
Starting point is 03:03:43 can't, we can't all be the same. That would suck. So Max, the beauty of the show. Yeah, it can't we can't all be the same that would suck So max what we can't have you do we can't have you turn to Hank where after a loss you just don't talk That would be the worst. Oh, we already talked about it at the beginning. That's true. I Got things to say. Oh, all right. Good. Good. Good. Oh, no, that sounded like a threat. I Like it. I just have thoughts. I like it. I like fiery max No, that sounded like a threat. I like it. I just have thoughts. I like it. I like fiery max Okay, good a fire fest Hank and I have your back. Thanks people just we're at the point I actually think this is partially the election coming up. I've had this theory that just everyone I don't know why this thing is broken I should stop playing with it. Everyone just gets way more on edge in election year, but
Starting point is 03:04:21 worth the point now where there are we have millions of people listen to show and 99.9% of them enjoy the show and then there's 0.01 that will find every little thing to hate or nitpick you just can't listen to them. Yeah but I want to be like I don't care what they say then I'm like wait that plays into the whole thing I'm not caring but I really just yeah what are you gonna say? Hey Meme just keeps asking is the the meeting off now off no the mutiny still on I love that We're having like a real moment here Like mutiny no mutiny still on dude. I fucking replied yes in the calendar. I'm down that I'm down to be mutiny off
Starting point is 03:04:59 I'm out of the mute, but it's not about the mutiny. It's about showing what a bug say to the mutiny pug pug pug Looking it over still looking it over Told me he said yes, no computers Pug are you oh, this is why we got immunity the guys fucking old and resources from I also could get I just it's just Texting Pete you could yeah, I could text him. This is how we get the power Yeah, I don't like I don't want to deal with it. I don't care. What about Shane is Shane Hank in or Hank out? I find I'm gonna change myself to a maybe on the change the crack change your crack. He's you're gonna crack him
Starting point is 03:05:35 No, no, no, thanks. You're gonna crack him. All right, I'm updated. I'm a maybe Maybe on the mean I'm just not replying to BS. I'd never reply to any calendar and we know yeah Hey pop up on my phone. Yeah, I don't need to reply to him Hank Don't listen to the haters. I don't there's very very small percentage of people that hate everything about Each and every one of us in this room and can't listen to it we love everyone else they don't even love the haters they're listening they just they want Hank to be different you're being authentic to you which is not caring about anything but golf I pretty pretty clean week but I did notice something earlier today that that affected me a little bit. Um,
Starting point is 03:06:25 I broke my nose when I was in college, when I was playing a rugby game and I got it, I got it fixed after it had started to heal. I never got the entire surgery on it. The doctor just basically put a rod up my nose and then punched it back into place as best that he could. Um, but I think it's getting more broken as I get older. You know how, like people that get old they their face becomes more of whatever it was like their features get more and more exaggerated
Starting point is 03:06:50 Yeah I think that my nose is slowly migrating over to the side of my face as I get older Because I caught myself where if you wear a certain pair of sunglasses It shows off like the bridge of your nose more I think my nose is just moving to the side of my face as I get older shit You know, I'll start a fucked up nose. Oh Billy oh my god Yeah, no, I'm not no don't say it don't put that evil out there
Starting point is 03:07:13 But yeah, I think my face is just gradually I'm becoming a Picasso painting as I get as I get older I do miss Billy's loud nose breathing when he would eat and it would be like an animal. Yeah Billy's loud nose breathing when he would eat and it would be like an animal. Yeah. He's just like Yeah, he sounded like what Kenny G like plays the longest note ever on the saxophone as Billy when he was eating a sub So wait, what are you gonna do? Are you can you go get it fixed? I don't know I don't know what I can do, but I haven't I haven't like talked to a doctor about it since 2005 2006 I think I'm gonna go to a doctor by the way soon for physical.
Starting point is 03:07:46 Okay, let me know. Yeah. Also, I have high cholesterol because I had a physical. Yeah, I got to do that. I gotta do that. I'm gonna do that. I'm worried that they're gonna be like, Whoa, should have come in a while ago. Yeah, that's what that's kind of my big fear too. So when I got the results back, and then that was the weekend of a punk show. So we were eating dinner and I was like, Yeah, I'm going to do a salad. And then Frankie was like, yeah, I have high cholesterol. It was like me too. And then Robbie was like, I also have high cholesterol. We're the only punk band in America where we all have high cholesterol.
Starting point is 03:08:16 What's more punk rock than that? Nothing. Nothing. Fuck lipids. All right. I got two FireFest. One is it's from from both of my my children one or two of the three of my Children one is my daughter at school had to do a project. What do what is your?
Starting point is 03:08:33 What is your dad do for work and her answer that was written down was? Plays around yeah, it's fair She's smart. Oh That one is a little moment where I was like shit. She's kind of right. Yeah, that's fair. She's smart. Oh, that one is a little moment where I was like, shit, she's kind of right. Yeah, no, it's plays around. Our job is recess. It was like this whole thing I saw just, you know, you get doctors, you get everything and it's just plays around. So I do play around. Yeah. And then on Tuesday, I was taking my son to t-ball with my daughter as well and I was it was during the Mets Phillies game so we took a break walking to the field and
Starting point is 03:09:12 I looked down at my phone while they were sitting on some steps taking a break and to look at the Phillies score and my son hit me so hard in the dick that it brought me to my knees to the point that a Random passerby actually said do you need me to call someone? Because I was on the ground two little kids crying like writhing in pain And it made me remind reminded me of when we used to dick dick Hit each other and we should bring that back. Yeah, that's fun. I'm ready. I'm dick hit each other and we should bring that back. Yeah, that was fun.
Starting point is 03:09:44 I'm ready. I'm warmed up. I get hit in the dick like three times a week, every week. Blake does go after my balls sometimes still. So I feel like I've developed calluses. Yeah. But it was a direct punch when I wasn't looking and it's, whew.
Starting point is 03:09:58 Maybe your son's gonna grow up to be like the next generation of jackass. That would rock. If he thinks that's funny already like yeah They didn't think it was funny because they saw me go I went instant to my knees then they started crying So maybe he's gonna hate you cuz they were like dad's hurt And then the fact that a random stranger with a with a stroller literally walked by and just like do you need me to call? Someone's like dude. We're gonna call the day you call the cops. Oh, I saw an call the dick doctor
Starting point is 03:10:23 It was bad. Max have farfus. Yep Okay last night after the game I took like an hour and just kind of You know dark room just had to think about everything that just happened in that game and you know the future of Philadelphia sports I feel like I know I I feel like I know what he's gonna say. I don't know I'll text it I don't think you did. Okay. Hold on. Hold on. Just hold on a sec. Just hold on a sec There's no way just hold on a so I didn't eat during the stream because I was nervous I know a fat joke all crazy. You must have been super nervous. You're gonna eat Okay, yeah, keep going keep going then I went to
Starting point is 03:10:59 Cava and got a meal and sat down like by myself in like a corner and a Mets fan came up to me and Padded me on the back. Oh on his way out and it was like I Assume it was it was an AWL I couldn't really hear what he said because I had two had two headphones in listening to music, but I just got like a oh Be okay, and then and then and then he just walked away I have no idea what he said oh yeah they're there by like it by like a stoolie oh that's tough we need that Mets fan to show his face I want to shake his hand good for that Mets fan yeah that was nice I was really nice it could have rubbed it in
Starting point is 03:11:39 yeah Hank thought you were to order Taco Bell to the wrong address which would have been you know I know that it was like I need to go eat healthy. I need to you know change your car there there Yeah, I was healthy not that I mean it's like the house or new boxers It's like the healthiest that every time I go to cover. I just get like 17 orders of the pita chips I got zero orders of pita okay, all right, so then it's healthy I Yeah I got zero orders of Peter. Okay. All right, so then it's healthy. I Yeah You can get anything no Peter chips zero Peter. So no soda. We're Jeff for breakfast today any any candy. Oh No, okay, no candy breakfast I did it I mean I went and got a turkey bacon egg white
Starting point is 03:12:20 Breakfast sandwich on a bagel, but I got a bagel. That's fine. Yeah, how many sodas on the plate zero sodas? I had water What do you have for lunch salad? What are you gonna have for dinner? What'd you listen to? I don't know we're probably gonna eat like shit tonight. Yeah good question. I was a techno probably I don't know I Thought about listening to Philly Sports Talk radio, and then I was like I can't do this no That's what I've been listening to all week What are they saying on Philly Sports Talk radio? I mean there the Philly Sports Talk radio is crazy. The best was The guys calling in after Wheeler start any after he threw 110 pitches through seven innings on Saturday and the guys
Starting point is 03:12:59 Furious that they took him out in the eighth inning. They wanted to pitch 150 pitches. Yeah, why not? It's the playoffs If you don't hit I mean you go home if you don't I would never I would never let the manager take the ball in my hand I Would want the ball in my hand Max. I feel bad. I hope I hope you can bounce back also, but crack pictures are just always Yeah, well that was So you're so your underwear is ripped That was a double whammy all right numbers three five Come on memes who push you to be great memes
Starting point is 03:13:36 69 I'm pushing you to be great memes 99 pug Pft memes you were gotten this? No. No. This would suck. 21. What was your number, Max? 11. I think you're gonna get it. Wait.
Starting point is 03:13:57 Is 11 AJ Brown's number? Yeah. Oh, he's starting to believe again. 25, 25. Love you guys. I'm gonna be a star, I'm gonna be a star I'm gonna be a star, I'm gonna be a star I'm gonna be a star, I'm gonna be a star I'm gonna be a star, I'm gonna be a star I'm gonna be a star, I'm gonna be a star I'm gonna be a star, I'm gonna be a star I'm gonna be a star, I'm gonna be a star
Starting point is 03:15:01 I'm gonna be a star, I'm gonna be a star I'm gonna be a star, I'm gonna be a good boy I'm gonna be the one to make you feel better I'm gonna be the one to make you feel better I'm gonna be the one to make you feel better I'm gonna be the one to make you feel better I'm gonna be the one to make you feel better I'm gonna be the one to make you feel better I'm gonna be the one to make you feel better I'm gonna be the one to make you feel better I'm gonna be the one to make you feel better
Starting point is 03:15:38 I'm gonna be the one to make you feel better I'm gonna be the one to make you feel better I'm gonna be the one to make you feel better I'm gonna be the one to make you feel better I'm gonna be a good boy Thanks for watching!

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