Pardon My Take - Steve Young, ASU Head Coach Kenny Dillingham, Are The Bengals Back? Jalen Hurts And AJ Brown Used To Be Friends, CFB Playoffs And Guys On Chicks

Episode Date: December 11, 2024

Are the Bengals back or did they just play the Cowboys. Mike McCarthy has to stop looking up at the video board (00:00:00-00:11:39). AJ Brown and Jalen Hurts used to be friends but still are so it’s... totally fine (00:11:39-00:25:02). We talk CFB playoff, Alabama complaining, Belichick to UNC (00:25:02-00:42:22). Hot Seat/Cool Throne including Jalen Brunson wanting Dick (Grady), and Juan Soto being dissed by the Yankees (00:42:22-00:56:37). Hall of Famer Steve Young joins the show to talk about QB’s making it through early struggles, the flight that changed his life, his relationship with Joe Montana, Coaching in the NFL and more (00:56:37-01:54:18). Arizona State Head Football Coach Kenny Dillingham joins the show to talk about getting to the CFP, winning the Big 12, PFT kicking for the Sun Devils, trying to play madden against BYU and tons more (01:54:18-02:26:36). We finish with guys on chicks (02:26:36-02:40:08).You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/pardon-my-take

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hey, pardon my take listeners. You can find every episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad free on Amazon Music. On today's pardon my take, we've got an awesome, awesome twofer for the people. We've got Steve Young, Hall of Famer. Incredible interview with him. First time on, we've been trying to get him on for a really long time. And then we have a great interview with head coach Kenny Dillingham from the Arizona State Sun Devils really fun talking to him talking about the college football playoff when in the big 12 maybe PFT trying out for kicker next year we're gonna talk some Monday Night Football we're gonna talk
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Starting point is 00:02:52 are bad, but I don't like Jamar chase what he's doing this year and every single play, he feels like he's open. And even if he's not open to Joe Burrows, gonna throw it to him and then he will get open. That was, it's too little too late for the Bengals, but even still watching them and watching their offense. And obviously we had the Leon let play by the Cowboys, which was peak Cowboys and Mike McCarthy giving us our, his patented stare up at the Jumbotron being like, how can I reverse what just happened? I have a suggestion for Mike McCarthy, because this happens to him a lot.
Starting point is 00:03:27 Something bad happens. You know something bad has just happened in the game as head coach. He forces himself to watch the replay of that bad thing over and over and just sit in that pain. Yeah. Mike, you got to stop doing that. You got to stop subjecting yourself to just trauma repeatedly over and over again. If something bad happens, yell at somebody.
Starting point is 00:03:45 Which he did do last night. Mike McCarthy was, I don't think that this is, is this Mike McCarthy's best coaching job? It might be. He also assaulted a cameraman. He did assault a cameraman. But you're right. Like it's, I will forever, like I could be on my deathbed and I'll be, and someone will be like, hey describe Mike McCarthy staring at a play that he wants to wheel into reversing. And it's like seared in my brain. It's that same dumb look where he looks up and he's like, if I stare at this jumbotron long enough with my fat chins, I can get everything to change and it never changes. And Dallas was the worst place for him to go because they have a giant screen hanging directly above the field.
Starting point is 00:04:25 If it was anywhere else, you're just gonna see him staring off into the distance. But yeah, with this, it's something that we see all the time from him. That was a weird way to end the game. And Joe Burrow said it best, like it's about time that one of these broke in our favor. Yeah, he finally got a bounce.
Starting point is 00:04:38 And McCarthy talked about what happened after the play. He said that the crowd actually had a lot to do with it. So the punt was blocked. And then, I don don't know how do you pronounce the guy's name? I don't know. Yeah, he just came off injured reserve and I'm going to I'm going to butcher it if I try to do it. But he heard the crowd and the crowd was excited because the punt was blocked. And he saw the ball in front of him. And it was just one of those moments. Grab ball. He called it a vice moment, where he was stuck in a vice. Yeah. C ball, try to grab ball.
Starting point is 00:05:08 It didn't work out for him. But yeah, I guess it's nice to see the Bengals win a game, after they've lost so many games where they played good enough to beat almost any other team, if their defense wasn't so bad. Right. In this one, they didn't play exceptionally well, but they managed to figure out a way to win at the end. And yeah, don't take anything away from Chase Young and Joe because what they're doing is just crazy. It's crazy.
Starting point is 00:05:31 It always works. It's crazy. And I know the Bengals have virtually no chance of, can we pull up the playoff predictor? I mean, I think it's like 10% chance for something. They'd have to run the table. The one good news for them is they do play the Broncos in a couple weeks, and Broncos are the seventh seed right now. But I think they would need, I think they would have to win out. I think the Colts will have to beat the,
Starting point is 00:05:54 or the Colts would have to beat the Broncos, and the Colts would have to lose out, and the Broncos would also have to lose out. So it's, what is it, 3%? 3%, so not even close to 10%. But it would just be, it's fun. I just want them to have a chance in week 18 I don't think they're gonna get it, but it's there's so much fun to watch and Joe Burroughs having an all-time year and you just sit there and you look at it is torture for Bengals fans because They can look at every game and be like man if we had just had just gotten one bounce, if they had six wins right now,
Starting point is 00:06:25 if they were six and seven, they would have a legitimate chance of running the table and making the playoffs, but just one bounce didn't go their way until last night. I do like the headline that they put on ESPN afterwards, Gaff hurts Cowboys' Playoff Hopes. Yeah. That's one way to look at it.
Starting point is 00:06:40 That was, they were in the playoffs? Yeah. Okay. They had hopes of being in the playoffs. They had hopes, they had hopes of being that hopes that hope I want to talk real quick about the Simpsons broadcast. Yeah. Because I am I'm a Simpsons freak. I love the Simpsons. I think seasons like three through eight are maybe some of the best television to ever be written and produced. Okay. I did watch the first half of the Simpsons broadcast last night and I don't know why it took me so long to remember this
Starting point is 00:07:07 The Simpsons are a million times better in 2d. Yeah, the Simpsons in 3d Not that fun. Yeah, I still watched it because it just made me think about being a kid watching the Simpsons again I I tried it was so far behind. It was very far. It's just too, it was too, it's hard to watch a game, uh, knowing that like you're two minutes behind. It's actually torturous being like, Oh, I wonder what happened. I already could know what happened if I was watching the real broadcast. So I watched, I actually watched with my son for like maybe 10 minutes. He was a little confused because he doesn't know who the Simpsons are. That's the other thing is like the Simpsons
Starting point is 00:07:45 I feel like our demographic. Yes, that's when the Simpsons was gold They've been on TV forever, but I don't feel like kids are growing up watching the Simpsons I wasn't even allowed to watch the Simpsons. Oh really? Yeah, it was like not uh, it was not like a kid show Yeah, yeah, it was kind of bad boy stuff if Hank could watch allowed to watch married with children Yeah, that was don't come on after the Simpsons. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, if Hank had grown up watching the Simpsons, he would be a real shithead today Yeah, he'd be like sarcastic and I hate her and a smart mouth Simpsons road rage though 3d game elite game
Starting point is 00:08:14 Yeah, like Simpsons GTA. Oh, yeah But I think that if they had made all the players different characters on the Simpsons that would have been a little bit better But I sort of figure out after like the second drive, whenever a player got on the field as like a Simpsons character, it was going to be like Homer was, was Cooper Rush. And he was like, here we go, which they should have said, uh, it was a key that that guy was going to do something great. Like Ralph Wiggum does not have that type of lateral quickness when he gets put in at wide receiver, you know, he's about to break the game Yeah, who in I saw Lisa made that catch For a touchdown. Yeah, Lisa did a little tiptoe down the sideline. Yeah, that was sick
Starting point is 00:08:51 She did the chase Brown play the chase young She did not jump into the big Salvation Army pot at the end. Yes sex cauldron. That was cool But yeah, Ralph Wiggum, I give Ralph Wiggum. He's my he's my Gruden grinder. Okay, nice. Yeah, I I give Ralph Wiggum. He's my he's my Gruden grinder. Okay, nice. Yeah, I I'm happy they tried. I don't know. You just can't be that far behind Yeah, I watched like one maybe one drive not even just can't be that far We just need a time when they do one of these alternate broadcasts where they're cartoons and there's something Like crazy and violent that happens on the field like you need the Miles Garrett. You need a Miles Garrett You need a malice at the palace. you need a fight between the two teams pepper
Starting point is 00:09:27 spray we don't root yeah pepper spray would be great we don't root for injuries but seeing how they would deal with like Homer Simpson having a compound fracture Mar Hamlin yeah pray pray pray prayers for most his lack yeah in the South Park game that they do when they substitute Kenny in for Damar Hamlin, you know something bad is about to happen. It's gonna get really bad. What were you gonna say, Max? Did you try to watch it?
Starting point is 00:09:52 I did. Some of the plays you couldn't even see what was going on. I know. Like, the camera angles were crazy. They did one, like, drone view that was... literally looked like you were watching from outer space. You couldn't see a single thing that was. Yeah. I think that happens when something goes wrong with the technology and they have like the far end zone camera where you can't see anything.
Starting point is 00:10:11 Yeah. I think that's what that was. But yeah, there were a few of those in the first half. They need to sack up and just do it with no like that's just the main broadcast. Yeah. Where it's like, this is the only way you can watch football tonight. I actually would respect that because you wouldn't know there was a delay. That would be fun. That would be it. Have Joe Buck and Troy Aikman seriously calling the game? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:10:31 So far. No, they got to get Al Michaels doing that game. Yeah. So wait, so Max, you watch your, your Monday night guy. I watched some of it. Okay. What'd you think? I didn't like it.
Starting point is 00:10:42 Okay. That was it. That was my take. Put, put, put it out there. That's the review. Uh, okay. So just to clean up on week 14, uh, it does feel we're, we're down the home stretch. Everyone's done with their buys. Everyone's ready to go four games left. It feels like the playoff picture is pretty clear in that we know there's like a handful of teams that are still in it and there's the in the hunt stuff is they got to clean it up at this point because I
Starting point is 00:11:10 think I mean the Cowboys the Bears being those are its graphic where they were in the hunt they have they've been eliminated now that's that's patronizing yes unbelievable but technically in the NFC I think I think 15 out of the 16 teams are still not eliminated, which is can we just, we need a different elimination tag where it's like you're not technically eliminated but dude, get a fucking grip. Yeah, code blue. Everyone from the Saints on down, Saints, Cowboys, Bears, Panthers, just be like, hey, I know technically not, but you're brain dead if you're actually thinking that. The Panthers still being in the hunt is just wild
Starting point is 00:11:46 No one wants to play him. No one wants to play Panthers right now. They're very good to him Well, that's because the NFC South is always the NFC South keeps everyone in the hunt for as long as possible Yeah that that in the hunt graphic man. I used to love that in the hunt graphic until I realized what it was doing to me Yeah, now you're now you're now you're out of the in the hunt. I'm eating. You're in it. You're in it. For now. All the way in it.
Starting point is 00:12:09 Mace bet. So there was one thing, story we should probably talk about, NFL, before we talk a little college football. What's this gonna be? This is gonna be Brandon Graham from the Philadelphia Eagles going on a radio show on Monday and essentially saying that Jalen Hurts and AJ Brown don't fuck with each other they don't like each other. They're not friends. No they used to fuck with each other. They used to be
Starting point is 00:12:38 friends. They used to be friends. They ain't friends anymore. And now they're now they're just teammates. Trouble in paradise. What did he say? He said that they used to be friends before being teammates. They were friends before the, like the draft. Um, and then when you become teammates, things can get a little bit dicey and he made assumptions after watching that video without knowing anything. And that's what he said after the fact that no one else is picking up on that on that part of his statement. Oh you're saying no one's picking up on the part of the statement where after he said what he said and everyone was like oh this sounds bad he then did a retraction we shouldn't we
Starting point is 00:13:16 shouldn't note the retraction where he was like yeah oh I stepped in it I maybe shouldn't have said this. No he was just making assumptions he doesn't know anything and that he was just making assumptions just like everyone else was watching the video So so Brandon Graham watching he doesn't have any further context to this than you or I would have watching the no play on television No, he's just a fan. That's what he said. It was great too because then to got involved with Donovan Like peak Philadelphia, yeah say to me to me, to my face. Don't say it through the media. We actually should just play the video I sent you Max. Now I don't know if you guys saw this, but this is, I actually think that this might be a sign that
Starting point is 00:13:54 the Eagles are ready to go on a Superbowl run because they're what 11 and two and they've won how many games in a row, Max? Eight games in a row, nine games in a row? Nine games in a row. Nine games in a row. Everything's going well. They now have players talking about players, old players talking about old players. And this was after, I think this is a crossing broad, guys. They did a good job with this. Kyle Pagan, he does a good job.
Starting point is 00:14:19 Yeah, so shout out to him, great video. This is after the Eagles have won their ninth game in a row. He interviewed people coming of the link and this is I saw this video and I was like this could not sum up The Philadelphia Eagle fan base more and I wouldn't have it any other way. So go ahead play the video struggling with Carolina they saw so we should have fucking killed that Jalen Hurts is not the answer that sounds like Max number one defense running back Jalen Hurts is not the I would never say I'm win hearts balling out maybe drafts like Jackson Daughert or like, uh, Jalen Miller. Why is Brown not getting enough touches?
Starting point is 00:15:07 I include A.J. Brown, man. I would not let Nick Sirianni come to the game within the first half. Because then he couldn't call the first out of plays, and he can let Callen Moore just run Saquon Barkley the entire time, and we would win the game within the first half. We gotta run the ball! I don't know what we're doing. Why second to one? Run the freakin' football! What would you do differently if you coached?
Starting point is 00:15:24 I would give Saquon the ball every time, and pass AJ Brown when it opens that easy Nick Sarionic The Eagles should have won my more. I'm disappointed. Well, they have point favorites. You got to smack these dudes They're just jerking around jerking around jerking around stop jerking around and beat the teams you need to be still cerebral hopes At the end of the day are all fucking delusional. We go to the ball still cerebral hopes at the end of the day are all delusional. Never endowed. It means it's hard to win in this league. Sure. False. It's hard to win in this league, but a win is a win. Isn't it? When's always a win. It's the last night of the arrows tour. So I'm looking forward to getting home and live streaming that,
Starting point is 00:16:01 but the birds are great. Go birds, tailors and Eagles fan. home and live streaming that but the birds are great go birds tailors and eagles fan i mean that's just there are nine wins could you imagine what i'd be saying if i was an 11 and 2 team if the bears were 11 and 2 and nine wins in a row like having people be like yeah jalen hurts not the guy we need jalen millrow or jackson jackson dart was a great one yeah that could suck max as as an e fan. What would your reaction be if the Eagles team booed you guys? Oh Reverse they might need to turn it around. Yeah Well, I mean that that would just turn into a disaster to be a boo off theory in theory I would appreciate it and I would understand it. Yeah, but in
Starting point is 00:16:48 Reality, it would be a disaster. I don't know. Because people would get so angry. I mean, it would basically be like when Nick Sirianni started yelling at the fans. But it might end up like resulting in good things. No, we just gotta go. That would be the most silly story of all time. Like the Eagles start booing you guys,
Starting point is 00:17:02 you boo them back and then they just don't stop winning. No, no, no. because then that would be civil war You can't have civil war. House divided. Yeah, it has to be a one-way street. I'm sorry It has to be a one-way street So what's the official statement on on AJ Brown and Jalen Hurts not getting along? Yes. Good question They are friends. No, they used to be friends. They used to be.
Starting point is 00:17:27 If I were to say, hey, Big Cat and I used to be friends, then we started doing the podcast, you would be like, that doesn't sound good. We need to start looking for a job. Yeah, everyone would be like, what do you mean, used to be friends? You don't say used to be friends for someone that you're friends with.
Starting point is 00:17:41 No, it just means that they were friends before they were teammates. And it got lost in translation Mitch Hedberg saying like I used to do drugs I still do them but I used to also yeah no you used to be friends is not a good thing to say about someone like I used to date this chick would you say that about your girlfriend they literally did this handshake last week they did they did the the Fresh Prince handshake mmm wow okay, okay, so like
Starting point is 00:18:07 They had a bad week sometimes Sometimes memes comes into the office on it on a day of work and wants to kill PFT Yeah, but they're co-workers not friends. They're also boy and also memes in in PFT definitely used to be friends Yeah, you could absolutely say that about that. We used to be friends before the lottery. Yeah Yeah, no, and then you know sometimes in the in like the workplace things get heated Mmm at some point we might be on the other day. You're still friends. I don't know about people We might be friends again at some point. Yeah, that's up to memes It was just very funny like the whole like to then going after time. He was crazy Do we read the to tweet though find it? It's oh, you guys are 11 and 2. I know. I know. It's, I don't know. Philly
Starting point is 00:18:51 media. Tough place to play. It's a tough place to play. That was the fans. That wasn't really the media. Tough place. Brandon Graham literally went on Philly Sports Talk Radio. Yeah. So why did, that's the other thing. Like if you're Brandon Graham, you probably know that there's certain things that you shouldn't say because it will cause a shit storm in Philly. And he went ahead and said them anyways. That's what tells me that there might be something to it.
Starting point is 00:19:16 Wait, what do you think would cause a shit storm? Saying like Jalen Hurts and AJ Brown used to be friends? Yeah. Oh. Whatever. All right, Tio uh, so Don McNabb on AJ Brown's, uh, potential frustrations, he said with Jalen hurts, it's two grown men. If you go got an issue, you come to me, let's not go through the media because now it blows
Starting point is 00:19:38 up and now what you said is out there in front of everybody. And then T.O. then came over the top and said, now this is interesting is coming from you. Not how I interpreted it, but funny thing is I agree with you on the idea if you have an issue with someone that you go to them and not the media. But here's the thing. I never had an issue with you, but it's known that you had an issue with me. So maybe you should have taken your advice here. Oh yeah. And we might
Starting point is 00:20:05 have won Superbowl 39 but that's another story for another day. Just my two cents. And you gave yours. I'm giving mine. Hey Freddie Mitchell. Thanks for sharing. That's my favorite part. Just like saying like yeah Freddie Mitchell texted this to me so I had to speak on it. And then Fred X is the first reply saying popcorn activated. There's no place like Philly. It's just so funny. You just can't even you. You got, you got, you got simultaneously simultaneous wide receiver QB beefs going on old ones and new ones. You're basically like, Hey, this, this summer we're going to do top gun and top gun to we're going to play it in the same theater. That's what you guys are doing right now. But that was real beef. Theo and McNabb was real beef. AJ Brown and Jalen Hurts is not real beef. At the time though do you think
Starting point is 00:20:53 people were saying that's real beef. Maybe. Also AJ Brown has to be in the touchdown score this week. Oh OK. That's conviction. Has to be in the touch Go that like you know that they're gonna find a way to feed him the ball. I agree. I agree. I agree Hey, are you loving this? Oh, yeah What are you thought saying? I mean that's Boston was kind of the same way like it's just kind of good sports town Degenerate sports town angry sports town. Yeah used to be beef Yeah, like there's just never be friends. You're never you're never gonna be happy Tom Brady Also wasn't best friends with all his receivers although Julian drove to practice together like every day, but
Starting point is 00:21:36 Antonio Brown live in his house. Yeah, not all of them All right, I think you I think he he was pretty much everyone except what? Like Aaron Hernandez. Yup. Aaron Hernandez was a great player for the page and they used to be friends. Probably. Yeah. Yeah. And then what happened? Um, okay. Anything else from week 14? I'm excited for some, for the stretch run of football. Yeah. I'm ready to go. I'm ready for playoffs. I was saying that on Sunday Yeah, I'm ready to go. I'm ready for playoffs I was saying that on Sunday nights like we're at the point of the season where there's a lot of games that just Mean nothing and I want playoff football here. I'm ready to get the playoff. I'm ready to get the tournament started
Starting point is 00:22:16 It's the best and the playoff simulator is really rounding to form now when they put it out like week 12 There's too many things that you have to click to get your scenarios going So it I know you're a big playoff simulator guy How many games do you have to win to feel very safe to I think three? I feel like you guys if you want to you should be I'm afraid. Okay. I'm afraid of the Rams Slash Seahawks, but they all have to play each other too I know but I I would feel comfortable if we won three and you have saints We got saints, uh ben danucci just signed. Okay for the saints. Um, so i'm gonna have to kill him Then we've got uh
Starting point is 00:22:54 Eagles eagles falcons cowboys I think he gets two wins. Yep. I think three but I think you'll be okay with two Saints is a must win. I must say this is a must win. Yeah. Marshawn Latimore revenge game. Yeah. Because you don't want to come down to the last three with the Eagles, Falcons and Cowboys and the Falcons are fighting for that. That game. Yeah. Although they might not be at that point. Hank, how, how many games do we need to win for you to feel a very scared about your bet? If you beat the Saints? It's pretty much over Oh, so you there's just one way
Starting point is 00:23:30 Any according to your calculations we get in with nine wins? No, but I don't think you're gonna lose three straight They literally just did I hope not Right. Yeah. Well, that was as a hard schedule. That was a hard schedule I think they're good. I hard schedule. I think they're I think too. I think if you get two wins, it's going to be hard because if you get two wins, uh, the, the Rams will have to run the table essentially. Yeah. So I would feel, I'd feel great with three wins. Yeah. Yeah. If you, if you had three, then they actually
Starting point is 00:24:02 do have to run the table. Yeah to win all three all four games Okay, let's do a little college football then we'll get to hot sea cool throne We're brought to you by our friends at diamonds direct. All right guys listen up this year You stop procrastinating on that holiday shopping list get ahead of the game and head on over to your local diamonds direct They've got amazing deals running now through Christmas on her dream engagement ring, necklaces, watches, earrings, and so much more. And here's the best part, with every piece you pick up, you're not only enjoying incredible quality and value, but you're also getting a lifetime guarantee that covers cleanings, maintenance, and sizing for life.
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Starting point is 00:25:45 Boise state, cam ward, Miami, Dylan Gabriel, Oregon, and Travis Hunter, Colorado. I think voting has already been done. So we don't even have to say anything. Yeah. So one guy would have liked to see his cam scat about. Yep. He would have been a nice addition to that group. But besides that, I think those are four worthy guys. I think Shador might have had a case. Yeah. Uh, but yeah, I mean it's those are those are the four that I kind of expected. Um, it was funny the graphic that they put out there had uh, Cam Ward listed as 42,000 yards. That would be a record. That would be very hard to to to to to be I know his defense is bad But I mean 42,000 yards now cam ward did have an outstanding season
Starting point is 00:26:29 Yeah, and and the defense was a huge liability for him So some of those wins that were like, you know down to the wire where it could have gone either way That's all because cam ward was so good throughout those entire yes. Yes So we'll find out on Saturday night who wins the Heisman, but yeah, they all all are incredible College football players all worthy of the award all Deserving of the award if it were up to me, I would split it Yeah, I think it would be a four-way tie if it were up to me Honestly with the votes already being in I'll say right now if I had a vote today after the votes run
Starting point is 00:27:01 I'd probably vote Ash and Gentie. I go Kim ward, but yeah, just it can't more genti. Yeah, then I go hunter third, but the votes are already in Yeah, so there's nothing that could be done at this point. They're already in when you fill out a Heisman vote Is that done all online? Uh, I don't know Actually, I feel like that Heisman is one of those awards. They make you mail a man balance. Yeah, that's an issue for me Yeah, no, it might be on verification. Yeah, it might be online. But so we have the college football playoff. We have all the bowls. We talked about it briefly on on Sunday. But the more I think about it, the more they really, I'm not mad, but it's so clear they need to figure out how to fix this so that the buy system is makes more sense. Yeah, they wanted to put a big emphasis on winning your conference, which I understand.
Starting point is 00:27:46 Well, I get it. And with the idea that traditionally in the past, there have been four conferences that had elite teams that ended up winning those. But they didn't think about the scenario where it's like, okay, if we have Boise State, they get to buy, how would that impact the rest of the schedule? Right, and I get it too, because it's a moneymaker and that's all that it matters. They didn't
Starting point is 00:28:07 want to, you know, devalue the conference championships, which they was still an incredible Saturday and obviously Clemson hitting a walk off field goal to get in was awesome. Get rid of the conference championships. If you're going to do it this way, get rid of the conference championships and just have the playoffs start that weekend. Yeah. Like have it be the first weekend of December, have it be 16 teams or whatever it is, 14 teams have the first round be that weekend and let's just get it going. The committee kind of box themselves in by talking about conference championships, not
Starting point is 00:28:38 being a factor in eliminating a team. Right. If SMU had gotten blown out, right? Do you think that they would have been out? I do. I think they probably would have been too. I do I think they probably would have been to I do is like a 30-point loss. Yeah, I think it's a liability for teams Yeah, so yeah, I don't know that they'll probably never get rid of the conference championships Just because you're right. It makes a lot of money It makes a lot of money, but I think it would I think it would if you expand the playoff
Starting point is 00:29:00 Then you get the money there. Yeah, I mean the way that they six or teams the playoff then you get the money there. Yeah. I mean the way that they should do it. 64 teams. Not 64 teams. Top four teams get a buy. Top four teams should get a buy because as it stands right now, and Boise is good. I think Boise could beat anyone. I think Arizona State could beat anyone. We're going to talk to Kenny Dillingham in a minute. But it just, when I look at the bracket, the thing that keeps sticking out is like Oregon had by far and away the best season in college football. They did not lose a game.
Starting point is 00:29:27 They played in a power five con power for conference. They got tested in big time games and they passed every test and they are the one seed rightfully so and their matchup potentially is going to be Ohio State or Tennessee in the first round, which that doesn't make a lot of sense to me. No, it doesn't. It doesn't. It ended up rewarding Penn State for losing the conference championship game.
Starting point is 00:29:52 Yeah. And by the way, Penn State and Notre Dame in that bottom part of the bracket with Georgia now having Carson Beck out probably for the rest of the year, that's, they're live. Those teams are live. Where's Penn State now? It's 650. That was on Sunday. I can look at, I might have as live as live could be. I might have to wet the beak on that.
Starting point is 00:30:15 But it's big game James and he can't win a big game. That's fair. Yeah. He's, he's what? Oh, and 12, I think first top five teams. One thing that I've really loved though is is the crying about Out of conference scheduling that's happened. Yes, and it's been it's been continuing. He beat Ohio State once He did beat Ohio State once but were they ranked block field or they ranked top five. I believe so Double check that does this count as a big game max Hmm double check that does this count as a big game max?
Starting point is 00:30:52 Penn State Ohio State SMU yeah, does Penn State SMU count as a big game I Would say No Penn State upsets number two, Ohio. Okay, so he's one one. He's one one. No, I would say I think I think he's he's safe SMU doesn't count as a big this is not a big yeah for Penn State. No, I would say I think he's safe. SMU doesn't count as a big game. This is not a big game. Yeah. For Penn State. No, it's a big game. Oh, it is a big game. That's bad. I don't know. No, I don't think it's a big game. But then you're not looking at it, then you're not taking the game seriously and you got to take the game seriously. It's a big game. No, I think you got to take the game
Starting point is 00:31:22 not seriously. Yeah, if it's a big game, then big game James. True. Are they allowed to do a whiteout? They are doing a whiteout. Oh, is it noon? It's at noon. I love it. I love this conversation because we're essentially having the can't win or can't win. Must win conversation just in completely different terms. Yes. Yes. You got to figure out if it's a big game though, prior to kick off. But I don't know. You don't want it to be a big game, right? No, you don't want it to be a big game. So yeah, no.
Starting point is 00:31:47 Yeah. You want SMU to come out in Purdue's uniforms. I mean SMU, it's going to be like 15 degrees in state college. Oh wow. Yeah, that's big. I mean that's big. Not sure for that weather. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:32:00 They're not built. But yeah, the crying about out of conference scheduling from the SEC has been very funny because I don't think any of these coaches have realized that if you don't schedule good out of conference teams, guess what? That means that there's going to be other teams from other conferences that don't have SEC out of conference games on their schedule. Right. Right.
Starting point is 00:32:21 And going back to like Alabama schedule, you lost to Vanderbilt in your conference. You lost Oklahoma in your conference. So that's not really what it gets down to, but it's driving people insane. There was a, an op ed that was written in a L.com Alabama.com. And it was, should Alabama join the ACC? Oh, let's have the conversation. I had, I, I, I liked this because I had a, uh, someone replying to me the other day that said to LSU should just join the sunbelt. Yeah. So same feeling. Yeah. Yeah. So if, if LSU joined the sunbelt, they would probably win the sunbelt. Well, maybe not Brian Kelly would find a way to lose. Yeah. Uh, but if Alabama joined the ACC, he would probably win the ACC and then ensure himself of a buy
Starting point is 00:33:08 in the college football playoff. This person says, if South Carolina had been in the ACC, they would have made the playoffs this year. If Alabama had been in the Big 12, they would have been in as well. The same would have been true for Mississippi if they had been in the Mountain West. That would be an interesting one. Yeah. If you move Mississippi out to the Mountain West. That would be an interesting one. Yeah. Move Mississippi out to the Mountain West.
Starting point is 00:33:26 Why go through the meat grinder that is the SEC every week when you can cruise to an automatic bid to the CFP and any of the other Cupcake conferences? The bottom line, and it's an ugly truth to be sure, is that the other conferences outside the SEC and Big Ten are no longer viable as they exist today. The Pac-12 teams figure this out pretty quickly and bolted for the Big Ten, where Oregon is currently the number one team in the country.
Starting point is 00:33:48 I like that take that Oregon going to the Big Ten is equivalent to Alabama going to the ACC. ACC, yeah. I mean, first of all, I think the SEC was just not as good this year, and we're going off of old SEC. They're still probably the best conference, but it wasn't like elite elite to that level. I think they're the deepest conference. Yeah. And, but Alabama was a 18 point favorite against Vanderbilt. There were 21 point favorite against Oklahoma.
Starting point is 00:34:17 Like they, they were a flawed football team. I don't know any real Alabama fan could straight face. Like there's a difference between saying you want to be in because it's the team you root for and you think you might be better than SMU. And I can buy that argument, but you can't sit there and be like, we were not a flawed football team because they were. They, that's just what happened during the season. I also think weirdly the entire backlash to like net we'll never schedule a strong out of conference. Obviously Wisconsin was down this year,
Starting point is 00:34:48 but if Alabama had let's just say played Oregon week one and beaten them, they might've been in with three SEC losses because everyone been like, holy shit, they beat the number one team. They're out of conference, they went and proved another one. But let's just say it was an up year for Wisconsin, right? One of, one of your good seasons.
Starting point is 00:35:06 If you didn't have that game scheduled against Alabama and you would just steamrolled a weaker big 10 schedule of the monster way, then that would actually favor you and not the sec, right? Because it would mean that you would have one less hard game to write, right? Which I would have been yet, right? It would have been like Indiana. Didn't play an sec team, right? And right and they they're in and they're in and if they maybe played an SEC team they would have maybe been out in Alabama would have been and then in the future if all these SEC athletic directors are
Starting point is 00:35:34 like we're not going to schedule hard games like against Indiana out of conference because there's no there's no reason for us to do that no benefit then you might wind up in a stereo where Indiana gets a playoff spot right as you didn't schedule them right if Indiana had played South Carolina week two yeah and lost to South Carolina Alabama would probably be in yeah see how this works yeah it's like a giant ecosystem yeah yeah it is very funny we also are you gonna do Bill Belichick for your Hot Sequel throne or we want to talk about it cuz he looks like it looks like he's gonna take the North Carolina job yeah which I think he's gonna be successful. And I know that
Starting point is 00:36:08 this is probably just because he gave his pitch on McVie show on Monday and I am a sucker for a good pitch. But he essentially was like, we're gonna be an NFL factory where we're just gonna train guys to get to the NFL. He had a 400 page document, a manifest Bible. That's a manifesto. Yeah. Manifest was working college football. Yeah. Manifest was hot right now. Yeah, it is very hot. So I, I don't know, because he's, he's on the older side, for sure. I don't know how he'll do in terms of recruiting. There's a lot more that goes into it. Once the players get in the door, then I'm sure that he'll be fine. He'll be good. You assume because
Starting point is 00:36:43 he kind of went in with the clause that his son gets to take over when he stops, that his son will probably do a lot of the recruiting. Right. And I really do think that if you are matter of fact, he's going to be the closer. Yeah. If you're a matter of fact to these, uh, both transfer kids and like, I think it'll crush in the transfer portal, because if he just says, Hey, I'm not going to try to sell you on like this idea that we're going to we're competing for national titles right away or I'm going to get you ready to play football at the national football league level
Starting point is 00:37:14 and there's no one better that knows that than me. That's that's a lot of kids will probably buy in on that. That's the goal. Like college football is is is that's the goal now So Belichick making his son head coach and waiting Hank I know that you were a big fan when LeBron James got his son drafted by the Lakers No Continue okay, so what's what's the difference with this?
Starting point is 00:37:40 Coaching is a lot different than playing well you have to to be, yeah, you definitely have to be qualified. Which he is. Has he been a head coach? No, but he's worked his way up the ranks as any head coach that's ever head coached in the history of coaching has. Where did he work his way up the ranks? Right now he's working in Washington. He was, you know, special assistant, then he was whatever, like cornerbacks coach, then he was the coordinator like he worked his way up up the rare We're just in by position. Where did he work his way up there in New England? But now he's coaching at Washington. Okay, alright It's just interesting
Starting point is 00:38:14 Good dad how many how many coaches like did Kyle is Kyle Shanahan did he work his way up the ranks? There's a million there football is like the most basketball is different There's not a lot of examples of nepotism drafts. There's a million examples of nepotism coaching He's doing a good job arguing his point that was actually a really good job arguing. That is that is a fair point Yeah, I would say I would say good dad though. I was not trying to denigrate Steve I was saying Belichick it sounds like you were though dad No, sounds like he does you don't think he'd see it because it's it's a I was saying Belichick. It sounds like you were the dad. No, it sounds like he does. You don't think he'd say it because it's a LeBron Belichick, Joe Biden, great fathers, all hooking their sons up. The point was, you know, nepotism shouldn't be able to work when you have
Starting point is 00:38:55 to be skilled and play the actual position. Like, I mean, Steve curse son is a coach. What's his name again? Nicholas. Okay. Yeah, Nicholas Kerr and But he like there's there's guys everywhere. It's crazy. It's crazy. It never never stopped being crazy that he It did they have a conversation at all Did they when they when they when they burned them were they like hey? Like I know the naming process. We had like a group of like three or four names and we went with the names we went with. But like you had a focus group. How did that not? How did that pass? When you're telling the person
Starting point is 00:39:36 what name to put on the birth certificate, that's when you realize Nicholas it's Nicholas. But yeah, uh, Hank, I'm really proud of you. Thank you. You argued your point very well. I always do. PFC tried to get you and you didn't get got. We're just having a conversation. Just having a debate. This is how we figure out what we truly believe in. It's the Socratic method. Yeah. Uh, Socrates, who do you guys have winning the whole thing in the college football playoff. I got Penn State. Penn State. Penn State will lose to. I guess Oregon in the final. Is that possible? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, that isn't possible. Yeah, that is possible. So no, it is. But I don't know why everyone's picking
Starting point is 00:40:20 it. So Max would finish Max's finish. I take Oregon. Penn State's losing in the championship. I'm just gonna take Oregon. Yeah, I mean, I said Oregon before the season started and Texas. How are you not taking Texas? What do you mean? You are Texas. I'm not Texas. You are Texas.
Starting point is 00:40:36 Just take Texas. How? You love Texas. Just take Texas. I love the city of Austin. Just take Texas. I'm not like a Longhorn fan. Just take Texas. Closeted. I'll take city of Austin. Just take Texas. I'm not like a Longhorn fan. Just take Texas. Closeted.
Starting point is 00:40:47 I'll take Texas. OK. I'm going to take, I'm going to take. You've never had any bias towards Texas football. I like going to the games. And I like tailgating and drinking beer. That's like enough of a reason for you to be not like a die-hard fan, but like.
Starting point is 00:41:00 Yeah, like you can be. You can have bias. It's OK. I might be semi- Come out of the closet. I might be semi-bi semi biased when people do horns down. It does not hurt me It does not affect. Yes, so take Texas. I'm gonna take I'm gonna take Penn State. Okay So I have Oregon you have Penn State Max has Texas. No, I'm taking Arizona State. There we go. I love it
Starting point is 00:41:20 I want I don't think it works for college football, but if it was hockey or college basketball, they're the hottest team Make a run. Yes is the first time there's ever been a playoff where it is like, you know, can a team go on a run? So fuck it. Yeah, make a run. I don't think it applies, but I hope it does who cares I mean the funniest outcome I still think would be Ohio State. Yeah for sure I'm just very interested to see like I, I, I will, I feel like we'll know within the first half of that first quarter where it's like, are they just a completely dead team or are they going to go to the national championship? Indiana would be funny too.
Starting point is 00:41:57 Indiana would be great. Indiana would be awesome. All right, let's do hot seat cool throne. And then we'll get to our interviews. We have Steve Young and Arizona state head coach Kenny Dillingham. Hot Seat Cool Terone brought to you by our friends at Coors Light. Holiday party fails can turn into a great story that ends with a toast over Coors Light. Getting snowed in can turn into the ultimate movie marathon.
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Starting point is 00:43:17 they didn't offer him a suite for his family and that they once was that they kicked out someone from the VIP lounge, like one of his cooks or assistants or something Yeah, family member. Yeah, so The Yankees lost out on a generational talent just because they were disrespectful. How are Yankees fans taking this? They're lashing out there. It's It's one of those moments that we all do this as fans But when you're completely removed from it, it is so funny to watch because I've seen it all. Juan Soto is a terrible defender. Juan Soto is a liability. You're going to have to
Starting point is 00:43:52 move him to DH. Not 26. He's not 26. He's going to be 40 years old making all that money. Actually, it's good that the Yankees didn't get him because now they can use that money to fill a bunch of different holes. That's my favorite one. It's the best. It's the best the Yankees didn't get him because now they can use that money to fill a bunch of different holes Favorite one. It's the best. It's the best to watch because again, we all do it every single time You'd miss out on a free agent or draft pick you're like, I never wanted that guy that guy stinks But they just flipped so fast when it comes to doing the that now we can use all that money to fill these different holes Yeah, you could have done that. There's no salary cap Yeah You could have just gone ahead and spent money on top of money There also was one funny tweet that went semi viral that was made me laugh or someone's like Juan Soto chose the bag over the over
Starting point is 00:44:35 legacy, yeah a Yankees fan saying someone chose a bag. Mm-hmm It's just it's great to watch especially the fact that it was the Mets. Also Hank, there was a report that like someone kicked his family out of a, they kicked him out of a suite, but then also it was like batting practice or something. Like basically something in the tunnel or like, they were, they were basically like, he had a family member just hanging out and they're like, you can't be here. Yeah. And then Steve Cohen threw in a suite for him. Yeah, that's classic family suite.
Starting point is 00:45:03 Cohen said that he, he didn't think that he was going to win either. He thought that he was going to go to the Yankees until the very, very last second. They had like a last minute negotiation. But yeah, Steven Cohen, he wasn't going to be outspent. No. And so for Yankees fans to be complaining that you can just buy a team now is it is delicious. Yeah, yeah, yeah, the Yankees wouldn't budge on giving Juan Soto a sweetie Yankee Stadium saying that if they don't do it for Derek Jeter They're not gonna do it for him. Yeah, they're probably like well Who do you think is gonna pay for this giant salary to need to sell that sweet to somebody right exactly? But uh, yeah, it's it's very funny watching the instant turn by Yankees fans being like yeah
Starting point is 00:45:39 He actually is I saw one Yankee fan just posted all of his like fuck-ups in right field And they're like this is what we we didn't want this for the next 15 years All right, so here's a story the Mets have excellent intelligence They were aware that while Soto liked being a Yankee and loved having Aaron judge protect him in the lineup and lead them all in The clubhouse he allegedly was upset early in the year by an overzealous Yankees security guy Who disallowed a family member and his chef Driver from certain areas. There's gonna mark Wahlberg and yeah other guys. Yeah. Mm-hmm. So it was a security guards fault. Yeah also my other hot seat NBA Cup, I
Starting point is 00:46:19 Have been trying not to get mad, but it's Kind of bullshit that the Celtics went three one and aren't in it. Oh But it's good thing you're not mad. No, I'm trying not to get mad, but it's kind of bullshit that the Celtics went 3-1 and aren't in it. Oh, but it's a good thing you're not mad. No, I'm not mad. I will be watching and betting on it, but it is slightly triggering. Yeah. I'm the worst NBA cup gambler of all time. That's true.
Starting point is 00:46:37 And PFT is... PFT, you should be the data. You should be the data. I think if you break it down, I literally might be the best NBA cup gambler of all time in the history of the world as of right now as of right now Yeah, and go check out our picks. We have them on our socials. So follow PFT Hank your cool throw my cool throw is Deshaun Watson. Oh, oh, what's going on? I just posted an Instagram story of him and his girlfriend having a nice looked like they're on a beach Beachside dinner
Starting point is 00:47:08 Romantic classy looks like he's you know living his best life like good for him Is he he's I think was the ocean although sometimes I think like Michigan's the ocean, but it looked like the ocean I'm gonna guess it wasn't Lake Erie in Cleveland in December. No, and when I say good for him, I mean, I don't care I hate him But he doesn't seem to care. He's chillin. Yeah. No. And when I say good for him, I mean, I don't care. I hate him. But he doesn't seem to care. He's chilling. Yeah. No, he I saw that pasta didn't look that that great. No, no. It looked like just regular like, it didn't look that fancy. Yeah. I mean, at the end of the day, he's still got a shitload of money and a shitload of lawsuits to settle. I think he might have
Starting point is 00:47:44 settled all Oh, he did. I think think so there's not any new ones not yet let give Tony Busby like a week I think it was I think it was basically like a salamanders tale where just one would fall off and another one would grow on and grow back yeah all right so cool throwing Deshaun Watson you're a big Deshaun Watson fan no but he's on the cool like he's chilling. He's chillin. He is chillin. He is chillin. That's that's Hank's dream life. He's doing just Sean. BFT your hot seat. My hot seat is reality. Oh, did you guys see the story about the new supercomputer that just came out? No. All right. So Google just announced this yesterday. They've invented a new computer. They have a new quantum computing chip. They named it Willow and it's capable of performing this like specific computer
Starting point is 00:48:31 computing challenge in less than five minutes. Okay. You might be like okay, what does that even mean? Well Google says that one of the world's current fastest supercomputers would take 10 septillion years to complete that same challenge that Google's chip did in less than five minutes. 10 septillion is longer than the age of the universe. Holy shit. So it has this chip that is like the next step in quantum computing. Septillion?
Starting point is 00:48:58 Septillion. It's a real number somehow. This shit breaks my brain. How many trillions are in a septillion? Uh, I don't know. I'm, what is that? 70 trillions? I don't know. What is that? 70 trillion? I don't know. No idea. These numbers are impossible to even think about. That's how big they are.
Starting point is 00:49:12 Is infinity bigger than that? Is Google bigger than that? No, infinity. Infinity is bigger than that. I think we're very close to just the world ending. So yeah, that's... Like the AI supercomputers catching up and then just Taking over so that's what they talked about. They actually said that
Starting point is 00:49:31 What they're starting to believe now and the fact that they've invented a chip that's this fast It actually lends credence to the the theory that we are living in one of an infinite number of computer simulations right now And once we reach that singularity where we have like crazy quantum computing, then we just start developing more and more universes out of that. So this might not be real. Holy shit. This podcast might not be real. Wow. Nothing's real. Yeah. Well, except how bad Spotify is with their interview wrapped.
Starting point is 00:50:03 And AJ Brown and Jalen Hurts used to being friends. In a different, maybe in a different universe. Yeah. They were friends at one point. Yeah. My cool throne is shooting your shot. Mm. Okay.
Starting point is 00:50:17 Friend of the program, Ryan Rosillo, Mm. went on a podcast and discussed an event that he was at several years ago. Mm hmm. It was a celebrity football game and it was with the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Models. And he talked about the fact that there were all these swimsuit models there. There was one girl that was there that was not getting as much attention as the swimsuit model that he felt to be more attainable.
Starting point is 00:50:42 That woman was Meghan Markle. And he shot a shot. He DM'd her. And the picture that Ryan put up, she looks like she's having a good time. Body language experts. Pretty decent green line test right there, I would say. Ryan looks strong. He looks very, he's got a lot of hair. The hair is, I think if he was bald, we're so low that it goes differently. But Meghan's, Markle's short enough that I don't think she saw that, you know, he's wearing a bald yarmulke.
Starting point is 00:51:10 Well, she does love hairy guys. True fact. So Ryan slid into her DMS and was like, Hey, do you want to come on my podcast? But in like a flirtatious manner and talk football. And she was like, I'm not that big of a sports fan. Well, I think he was like, you want to come on my podcast and promote your show that's coming out. She was like, I don't know sports. And that's how it ended. But then page six got their grubby hands on the story and they put up such an unflattering picture of Rossello. And the headline was like a former ESPN podcast host thought that Meghan Markle
Starting point is 00:51:47 was attainable. And that picture actually in that headline, not that bad. The picture they used in the story. Yeah, that's, that's a bad one. So it makes it look like I know which one they use. They use that one every time. Yeah. It makes it look like Ryan thought that Meghan Markle was like a super attainable, like beneath him. Yeah, they put that back side-by-side I we're so also has told this story like a million times and I it's funny that it just got picked up and They did this. Oh, that's that's the picture right? That's bullshit. Yeah page six. Fuck you So they wrote this article just to put this picture of Ryan up and be like this guy thought this chick was attainable Yeah, then it got community noted. Do you see that?
Starting point is 00:52:25 That was, yeah, that had to be Rosillo. Well, I mean, the Rosillo army said Ryan Rosillo has said multiple times that this is a joke and never asked Marco out. Yeah. Cause he has told the story before, but yeah, that's so funny. Invited her on the podcast to promote her show. What a good guy. Oh my God. I've heard that day. Rosillo is hotter than Meghan Marcole. I'll say it. I, I think that he is. I think she might be attainable for Ryan right now. Yeah. You know, actually, no, I think, I think still is unattainable for Meghan Markle. You know how close he lives to the beach? Yeah. He's got a boat. He's,
Starting point is 00:52:57 he's playing guitar now anymore. He surfs. Yeah. He's got scripts. The total package he is working on him. that man right there. That is a real prince Yeah Yeah, he'll treat you right and when I mean when I say treat you right means like he'll ignore you while he watches magic blazers Game 38 he's strong He's so strong that they fucked fuck you page six. Yeah, that was come at our boy like it was a dirty move. Yeah Ah, okay. What if it does work out for them? Good. Good. All right. My hot seat is
Starting point is 00:53:33 Odell Beckham because he and his dad are on the hot seat because Roma doonsay and his dad have taken over. I don't know if you guys saw but probably didn't. a Twitter account called black dicka Post gotta make sure to pronounce the end of that. Yeah black dick post Roma doons a would have 1,100 yards on any other NFC North team and James Adun's a Rome's dad said 1,500 mmm, so that's going well. Everything's going well. I love it's not depressing I love those Twitter accounts like the black Adam Schefter. Yeah Black skip bailus. You didn't know we needed a black dick. No now you do we got one But yeah, things are going well, and then we had that doesn't even look like dick. I
Starting point is 00:54:15 Think that's just a random fan who's Yeah, I do like the idea like yeah black people you should you should be allowed to dress up as Mike dick Yeah, you should have a dick. Big dick. And then most, most of the time do. Uh, my cool throne is, uh, Jalen Brunson, because there was a report last night, uh, by Josh Hart that in the second half again of the Knicks Raptors game, Jalen Brunson was screaming, I want dick, I'll take dick. Talking about Grady Dick. Got it. That also got community noting that he's lying on my name.
Starting point is 00:54:54 Very funny though. This is what I love about guys that have been friends for a long time. I know. And continue to be friends. Yeah. You can say this type of stuff about your buddy. Yeah, I got dick, I want dick.
Starting point is 00:55:04 Also, Carl Anthony Towns He might be the perfect fit for New York. He had a big shot. He was repping it Yeah, and the Knicks have been hot like Carl Anthony Towns might be built like that So I didn't I didn't think that he would when they made this trade. He might be proving me wrong He is he's built like that. Okay, let's do our interviews We've got a great interview with Steve Young and then Kenny Dillingham. Also awesome, awesome interview. Really cool guy, back to back.
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Starting point is 00:57:37 football and, uh, we got a bunch of different questions. I actually wanted to start with, uh, some games we watched yesterday and your team who kicked the shit out of my team, the bears are the 49ers back or did they just play the bears? Could they, could they make a run here? We're trying to figure it out. I think if you stand back to who they were last year, fully loaded and Christian McCaffrey and Brandon, I, you'd probably other than George, the most important people on the field and then Trent and not, no Trent, it's, you know, it's gonna, it's, it's hard, right? But I think it was going to get harder anyway.
Starting point is 00:58:17 So I think what's happened is they got punched in the mouth in Green Bay, got punched in the mouth in Buffalo and, and got him in, in Buffalo and got him in way got embarrassed. And this is a team, yeah short of some guys we get that, but as a group 50 guys have been at Super Bowls or at Championship Games and all of a sudden people are you know treating them like dogs like like something's you know and and I think that this is their answer back. Like, Hey, we're wounded, but we're not gone. And so when you say, Hey, can they, can they clap back and get something done? I think this is a group of people that have proven some real resilience.
Starting point is 00:58:58 I mean, this is some, some hardy folks. That's why last week I talked about grit with, you know, during the week about them is like, where's the grit? Where's the natural grit that you guys have had for years and I think they answered that on Sunday So I would say to your question Can they clap back and make something happen there? They're under direct They are when they got to go to Miami and win they got to win against the Rams who are hot and they got to Come back home and beat the Lions. They have to win those games. And so, yeah, it's absolutely possible.
Starting point is 00:59:27 It's possible. Hard, but possible. Yes. Yeah. There's another story in the NFL going on right now that I feel like you have some good insight into, and that's Bryce Young. Bryce was, he was unceremoniously benched. I don't know if you can be ceremoniously benched, but he was, he was definitely cast aside by the Panthers. And I've been ceremoniously benched before. Yeah. Yeah. You can be ceremoniously benched and unceremoniously benched. They're both the same. Yeah. So, so he was kind of cast aside and, you know, the, the bust phrase got thrown around a little bit with Bryce. Um, he's still
Starting point is 01:00:00 very early on his career. Second year, he gets benched and he comes back and he looks like a completely different quarterback You had I don't want to say similar experience, but you were you were kind of it's an arc Yeah, I know you're going your cast aside by the by the Bucks early on in your career and you didn't get it I was a lefty people back then didn't want to coach a lefty Freaked out. Yeah Ray Perkins got the head coaching job and he looked at me like bro I hate lefties and I hate scramblers Anyone who could run was was like weird. Yeah, you stand there don't go anywhere and I look that was prototype
Starting point is 01:00:37 I get it. It's still look you got to be a sophisticated pastor of football today No matter what but I always thought it was a bonus and he thought it was terrible they ran I mean he thought I left in a scramble you're out I hate you yeah lefties do look weird no but but but but getting thrown out like when you talk about Bryce Young look there's there's crappy places to be as a quarterback today you can go to teams and it just it just sucks being a quarterback there because they they have people running the organization. I'm not speaking about Carolina specifically. I'm talking about
Starting point is 01:01:10 there's a there's a number of places where they still don't from ownership on down don't understand the position's importance and then how to they they tend to look at it from a defensive perspective? I'm not going to coddle a quarterback. They don't need special treatment. And so it's like the paradigm is wrong. It's not that they need to be coddled or need special treatment. There's expertise to the nature of building a situation and organization from the ground up to make the job for the quarterback as easy as possible so they can thrive and be great and if you do that
Starting point is 01:01:48 Then you have a chance and there's and so for Bryce It's getting to a place where you can actually show who you are Look at Sam Darnall's a perfect example jets flailing around bus goes to Carolina. Oh show some signs Let's be honest. He he set up some smoke signals in carolina when he was there Like I can still do this. I don't I don't suck But you still don't need you need more help and then he gets to san francisco. And what does kyle shanahan say? I love this guy. This guy's our career arc could be great and we all kind of said Oh, yeah, what are you talking about? That's crazy. He's nuts What does he then he goes to Minnesota and now? like and so Bryce
Starting point is 01:02:30 Unless you look there's some guys that hit the pro game who have really thrived in College who look prototype Bryce looks throw prototype probably not big as strong as the prototypes but runs around makes big plays like and and uh, been in the been in the big games like Bryce doesn't know his ceiling. We don't know his ceiling and there's filters He's got to go through even if he got all of that help But what you're seeing today in the last few weeks is hey look I I can survive here And if you can survive
Starting point is 01:03:03 Then you can thrive and so I don't know where this ends up for Bryce, but he's showing me, um, like, like Sam did when he was in Carolina, like we're losing, but I can figure this out. And, and that's a, I always say it's called sending me smoke signals. Like, like I'm dying down here, but I'm sending you, uh, something that tells me that you're going to, you, you, you have a chance to thrive at some point, even either there or somewhere else. Yeah. With Bryce specifically, things looked real bad for him.
Starting point is 01:03:33 Every, every snap looked like he was thinking it through. He was lost. It was painful. He was lost. It looked like he was lost. And the fact that he's improved so much from earlier this year, as he was going through that and all the public scrutiny that went with it, so how he's playing right now actually tells me that he can be even a whole lot better than he is right now.
Starting point is 01:03:50 A hundred percent, thousand percent, max a hundred percent. I, I, I, I can't agree with you more. It's the signal in tough times and tough situations that team, you know, it's hard in locker rooms. I was in Tampa. I understand losing locker rooms. I was in Tampa. I understand losing locker rooms. The players are not losers, but the losing locker room is tough to overcome. And so if you can show signs, smoke signals again, that you can know, you know what you're
Starting point is 01:04:15 doing and I can figure it out. That is warrior work. Yeah. That is, that is Patrick Mahomes does not have to do that work anymore. Yeah. Josh Allen does not have to do that work anymore. But, but, but in many ways Bryce is doing that work. Yeah. The, do you think in the NFL game we move on from these guys too quickly? Because you, you mentioned Josh Allen. I mean, Josh Allen was not great as rookie year, probably
Starting point is 01:04:38 not. I mean, he showed sign the smoke singles somewhere around the halfway point of his second year and now he's playing the best of any quarterback in the NFL. I mean, that game against the Rams, I know they lost, but he was out of this world. Good. Do you think as a league teams and franchises are moving on too quickly from guys and not giving them a chance to get through those rough patches that they start their career with? The problem is, is you don't have 32 great places for quarterbacks to make that judgment. Right. You have to glean through, you have to recognize, like if, if you're in San Francisco and you're
Starting point is 01:05:14 struggling, you got problems. It couldn't be a better place. Jimmy Grapple takes a team to the Superbowl here and then can't find a job. Yeah. So like there's places where, you know, if you go down and see a Sean McVay and struggle at quarterback, the guy that understands and innovative mind and how he calls plays and the understands position, then that's about you. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 01:05:36 So if they, if the Rams drafted or the 49ers drafted a young quarterback, like Trey Lansing can't do it, that's a, that's a sign of, that's not a, that's not a, uh, that's not a situation problem, that's a you problem. Mm-hmm. Right? And so, but then there's a lot of places where you go and you can't know that. They get drafted young quarterback to try to be great and it's not a great place for quarterbacks and it's not necessarily a you problem. And you have to, and I think that, I think that people who understand the position, who have built organizations to make sure that they make the quarterback as profitable as possible, have now the reps to know when somebody is not going to get there or like Sam Darnold, like there's something here and we can, we can work with it. And so I think until there's 32 teams like that, we're going to have to glean through where it is and what it is. Like if someone gets drafted by the Jets this year and they haven't fixed anything, then it can't be harder. I mean, I feel for Aaron Rodgers because
Starting point is 01:06:40 it's so interesting that he was developed in an age of more sophistication. The job that he had 15 years ago is so much harder than it is today. Today's game, as Tom Brady describes, the flats are open, the middle of the field is unpatrolled and no one can hit me. It's an amazing time to play quarterback. But Aaron learned the game and are very much more sophisticated. And so he should be dominating as Tom dominated, as you know, as Matthew Stafford is dominating. Anyone that's hung around long enough to know in a sophisticated time should be dominating.
Starting point is 01:07:17 That's how tough it is for the Jets to go be good. And granted, he's lost some mobility and everything else, but that's when you know some place they've got to, they don't understand the position and it makes it super hard. Yeah. So what is it about San Francisco specifically, that organization through Mike Shanahan like that there's a there's a way that they look at the world they look at the they look at the coaching world as abundant in other words whatever I know I want you to know so the unafraid to share where so many trees of quarter of coaches they don't share anything good luck to you, bro. I got my proprietary knowledge, you know, to hell with you. And it doesn't have that abundant spirit. So what I'm trying to describe you fundamentally is, if you're from the Bill Walls tree, you've been taught to share. Like, I'm open. And then also, because of that, and I seek, like,
Starting point is 01:08:24 I like abundance in the spirit of how I coach, you can have everything I have, because I'm not staying here. Whatever I have today is not what I'm going to be tomorrow. I reinvent myself. Look at Andy Reid, he's 67 years old. Fricking reinventing himself every week. Never stuck. Never thinks, oh, I used to do it and it works great and I'm just going to keep calling
Starting point is 01:08:47 plays from 2015 because that was when I was great. That's half the league today. But why is San Francisco great? Why Kyle great? Is because he's come from a place of like look look what what who's come out of his shop? Mike McDaniel. Like who's come out of the Shanahan tree let alone you know what I mean? Like because they're it's like have everything I got because I'm not staying here. This week against the Rams watch Sean and Kyle go at it. They've been saving stuff so that they can like because they empty the tank when they play each other. The plays the the cool stuff they do and it's a short week so they're going to be under real stress to get in all the cool stuff
Starting point is 01:09:26 They want to get in because they're not gonna who you knew me yesterday is not who I'm gonna be tomorrow Yeah, and Andy does that and that's why it's as a quarterback. You're trusted. I Believe that you can I'll call plays that are very aggressive and you protect me quarterback You protect me it puts a quarterback in a position of great empowerment and belief and like faith. And then, and then I'm going to call plays that make it really easy for you and really hard on defenses. And I, and I've seen that from Kyle from the beginning, he, he takes the job of
Starting point is 01:09:58 quarterback and makes it as easy as possible and as complex as possible for the defense and then calls plays in combination to just shame them. Yeah. Like you think you can play that defense and get away with it. I'm going to pound you. And a lot of guys talk about it on Wednesday. They'd actually don't call the plays on Sunday. Yeah. Yeah. So, all right. So in a coaching perspective, you go from Tampa to San Francisco, what was that like when you sit down with Bill Walsh for the first time? You're like, holy shit, this is totally different. Like, did you have that moment that Eureka moment where it's like, Oh man, this is, I know I'm not brought in as the starter because Joe Montana is here, but like
Starting point is 01:10:37 everything in my life is going to be easier when I get my chance. Well, yeah, I got, you, you got, I, the first member, I, I was traded to the St. Louis Cardinals. Uh, uh, Ray Perkins had come in as a head coach, told me he hates lefties and scramblers, you're out of here, called me and said I was traded the San Francisco Cardinals, I mean, the San, San Louis Cardinals. I had made a relationship with the owner, Hugh Colberhouse. So no one else really knew him. And I, he'd sit over in a corner and I go talk to him. And so he and I were friendly and I immediately called him because he two months before we were trying to get
Starting point is 01:11:09 Bo Jackson to come down and he at dinner. He goes this is my quarterback for life And so I called him I said, Mr. Coleroy. She said I was your quarterback for life and now I'm getting thrown out of town I'm going you can't send me to st. Louis. He goes. Oh, I'm so sorry Steve. Yeah new coach blah blah blah He goes, but you're right. I told you that I owe you a chance. He nixed the trade to, uh, to the Cardinals. Like he stuck, he went and cut it. Like, I don't know what you do, especially, but he went and, you know, turn, you know, they didn't agree to it. Wow. And then so he called me back and he said, look, I'm going to give you a week and I want you to go find a place that you can thrive. And I'm like, he saved my life. And so then I talked to Bill Walsh and Bill Walsh's first thing he said to your question, I love the fact that you're left-handed. I think it's an advantage.
Starting point is 01:11:57 I was like, I mean, in college, my office coordinator said he wouldn't coach a lefty. I think it's an advantage and I love that your mobility, we're going to have to make sure we know where you're going, but your mobility is a superpower. And I'm like, first thing out of the gate. And then he said, Joe Montana has just had his second back surgery. And I don't know how he comes back from it. And so I'm like, I hate to hear that, but man, that's a opportunity and so and then the first two things happen the first day the first day we I got to the Fortinators we had a summer camp and the and Bill Walsh walked in and he said something that I'll I'll never forget he said look I don't care what play we call I don't care what
Starting point is 01:12:40 defense we run we're gonna win because we have shared common experiences amongst each other and an element of love for each other that Uh, we're going to win because we have shared common experiences amongst each other and an element of love for each other. That's how we're going to do it. And I was like, did he just, what did he just say? And he wrote a book called, uh, the score takes care of itself because of, if you live values of, cause he said, look, we're going to be in Green Bay playing the bad cat packers of Lambeau Field It'll be drizzling rain and 31 degrees. You've never been cold in your life The winds are going to be whipping we'll be down by four third and ten
Starting point is 01:13:13 No timeouts with a minute ten left and I want you to get in the huddle and I want to look across the huddle to people that you have a shared experience with and have some level of affection or some level of respect, like you know each other. And I was like, this is crazy talk. I've never heard a coach talk like this. That's football. Right. We're talking about, I'm used to coaches with a big stick just hitting you over the head.
Starting point is 01:13:38 And so I'm telling you, Bill Walsh gets very, he gets a lot of credit, but not nearly as much as he should get at how, what the game looks like today. Like the game that we enjoy today is really off the back of that comp. And I learned it firsthand from the call I got when he told me he loves lefties and scramblers and, uh, and then when he talked about, uh, but then the next thing we ended the meeting, we went out for the first practice and I'd never met Joe Montana and he'd keep running out and the first thing I
Starting point is 01:14:04 thought is he doesn't look real hurt. He gave it. Bill Walsh gave you a nice speech to get you there because he knew you'd be someone. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Six years together. Yeah. How was, how was that knowing? I mean, we, you know, obviously Brady has is gone and they've in the Patriots been through a couple of quarterbacks, but it had to have been a little Difficult to tie or a lot difficult at times to be with a living legend and knowing the fan base Wants one thing and you're and you're like, hey, I want a shot I know I could do this and then have that moment, you know
Starting point is 01:14:38 The classic clip the monkey off your back winning the Super Bowl where it's like everything that you thought you could do, you went out and proved it. I mean, there's a book there. Yeah. It's a lot of chapters. It was the dynamic is I and I and Joe would agree. I mean, it's just been awkward from the first day. Yeah. First day I showed up, it was awkward.
Starting point is 01:15:00 And I think if, you know, when we see each other, it's, we never argued, we never had a crossword of each other. Never, I never had an argument. I mean, we just didn't, but it was always awkward. And I don't think it was never not awkward. Yeah. And the day when he was traded the Chiefs, it was, it remained awkward. When I got there and when, when, when we, you know, Bill was, Bill was crazy. He would, Joe Montana won two Super Bowls, he'd drive the team down in the Super
Starting point is 01:15:26 Dome and then he'd go go in and run this play and I'd run in and Joe would go off the foot. Like I was, it was a crazy time and it was all of that and the fans, it was they were being whiplashed and it was hard and of course I was going to lose every conversation. In fact I'll just one little thing I'll tell you. In 1991, the Go 4 had broken out in the Middle East. And on the front page of the San Francisco Chronicle, and the headline, because at the time I was playing and things weren't going perfectly. And I think the whole Barry and really any 49er fan in the world was like, where's we need Joe? And I remember thinking to myself, well, he didn't, you guys know, he lost a game, but no, that's impossible. He threw
Starting point is 01:16:10 it in a complete pass. I promise you like, no, we don't remember that on the stage of the Chronicle was the Gulf war. It's Steve Young's fault. You know what I mean? It was like a, and I think that that tells you how it was going for me. Yeah. And it's, I mean, it's, I love the honesty because I think a lot of times, you know, we've had this conversation before where a, a, a veteran is in there and then a rookie gets drafted and the veteran will be honest and be like, Hey, I'm not here to help them. And like everyone would be like, Oh my God, how could he say that? Your teammates, but that's kind of the reality of it. Like you, you've got a job and someone's trying to take your job and there's that element in every
Starting point is 01:16:48 locker room. And, and, and, and, and, you know, and bill create, I mean, I think Joe and I both feel that we look you back in the relationship we had with bill Walsh, it was love hate because uh, you know, he, he said, I put you guys together to get the best out of both of you. Mm hmm. Joe hated to hear that. And I guess I hated to hear that too. Like, uh, but yet, um, he was the king, Joe was the king and I was, I was a fricking pauper, right? And so I, I, the, the, the, the power dynamics were not good. Yeah. Also the fact that his name was Joe Montana. That's just, that's the starting quarterback. Yeah. Yeah. What that his name was Joe Montana. That's just, that's the starting
Starting point is 01:17:25 quarterback. Yeah. Yeah. I could have, what I could have done with that. Yeah. If, if you guys, if your names were different, then I think the fans would be like, yeah, put Joe in. Yeah. Joe Montana. That's a super bowl champion. Yeah. But that, I mean that super bowl, I mean you got, you guys killed the chargers that had to be that one clip that I feel like I've seen in a million times, the monkey off the back. Like that feeling had to have just been the greatest feeling in the world, given everything that had transpired the years before. I somewhat regret that moment because it reflects something I would have said two or three years before because I, uh, I, it's a longer story. I met a guy named Steve Covey on a plane once in the depths of my career trying to replace Joe and I dug a hole of depression and anxiety and victimization and like I was struggling. a perspective that said basically that the 49ers was the greatest platform for iterating
Starting point is 01:18:27 to see how good you can get as anything he's ever seen in his life. And I was like, well, no, that can't because what I'm just describing to you is this place sucks. And he's like, no, this is the greatest chance you've ever had to see how good you can get. Are you afraid to see how good you can get? I'm like, no, I'm not afraid. Well then go about, be about it. Like, quit. And I was proven at the time that I was in the bottom of a hole that I had dug,
Starting point is 01:18:53 that I had victimized myself and made all the excuses and everything else. And so I think that two or three years before that Super Bowl, I had come to a place of perspective to recognize that it really wasn't about him. It was really about like, go about, this is the greatest platform in history for a quarterback to see how good they are. Go be about it. I remember playing the pack, like the Dallas Cowboys soon after and seeing Troy Aikman in warmups and I ran up to him and I was like, Troy, I'm so glad you're here. I'm in this quest to see how good I can get and I can only find out against the best and you guys are the best. So I'm so glad, I can't wait to play, you know, and Troy looked at me like freaking weirdo But I was about it I was about it and so by the time I did it at the Super Bowl
Starting point is 01:19:37 It was almost it was it felt a little bit like I was like what I want to say was It was, um, uh, it was, it was, it was cheap at that point. It was more of a thing to do just cause it was. It was for the cameras. Cause yeah, you'd already wanted a couple of MVPs. Yeah. But everyone sees it as a moment. Yeah. I mean, I had that moment two or three years before.
Starting point is 01:20:00 Right. This is what I did. Right. Do you feel a little bit bad about what you did to the chargers? Kind of ran it up on him. I mean, it up on them. Honestly, if someone's going up, think about the old days when they had someone and they had the shackles behind them and the chain with their legs and they're going up to get guillotine, the crowd would, in the town square, the crowd would gather and then the guy's gonna come and get his head cut off, right? It's like, even if you're a Charger fan and you're about to see me get my head cut off,
Starting point is 01:20:30 you might say, oh, I'm okay with losing because then I didn't see a guy get his head cut off. You know what I mean? Like, there was one less death in the world today. So I mean, I can't imagine anyone felt bad about that day for me. Yeah, probably not, probably not. It's interesting. So you, you sat next to the, so that Steve Covey guy, that's the seven habits of highly effective.
Starting point is 01:20:53 Yes. And you just happened to sit next to him on a plane. I've read a lot of book covers in my life. And, uh, but that's like, that is the perfect person for you to Do on a plane at that time in your life that story is that does as a longer? I try to tell it as fast as I could But he took the moments like he was he looked like Yoda was bald and shorter and kind of Cremationally and I had a long finger and he looked at me right in the eye and goes I think you're afraid to see how good you can get and I go I totally I totally understand that because people, human beings are, that that scares people. Yeah, but I mean,
Starting point is 01:21:30 I'm not afraid. He goes then go be about it, man. And I mean, my life changed right there on a freaking delta flight from Salt Lake City to San Jose, California. As I went home, I had flown home after practice on Monday just to get out of town. Wow. Because the goal four was my fault. Wow. Like I had to get out of town. Wow. Go forward. The goal for was my fault. Like, wow. And I went to see my brother who was a university, Utah medical school. And I walked around with him, telling him all my problems.
Starting point is 01:21:52 He goes, bro, I got three kids and I'm broken medical school. Like, what the hell? What are you, what are you talking about? Brother. I got another, my brother headed home, headed back to practice on a Tuesday night and sat down next to Stephen Covey. Wow. That's like that shallow hell when he meets Tony Robbins on the elevator. That's what happened to you in real life. Like at the perfect time in your life,
Starting point is 01:22:15 who initiated that conference? Could he tell that you were down in the dumps? He's like, No, I remember he, he, we, he, he was, he was, he was from Utah. So he was like, it was somebody I knew. I knew his kids actually a little bit. So it's like it was a familial thing. I'd understood him, but I never really sat and talked to him ever in my life. And I sat down and just, oh Steve, nice to meet you. Great, wonderful. And I'm like, how are you doing? And I just, I was at a place where if you ask me how I'm doing, you're getting a half an hour of I'm gonna spew out everything because I'm doing, you're getting a half an hour of I'm going to spew out everything because I'm in the pit, man.
Starting point is 01:22:50 And that's what I did. And he listened to all of it and basically said, wow. If you want a little bit more, he said, look, you don't see if I hear it all. Man, it sounds really hard. Can I ask you a couple of questions? He said, tell me about your owner, Eddie DiBartolo. I'molo I'm like man that guy's amazing he sees players and owners as partners it's it's he goes yeah I'd heard about him I really want to meet him he sounds like an amazing guy tell me about your coach Bill Walsh and of course blah blah blah blah blah he goes yeah I really
Starting point is 01:23:18 want to meet him too he's a guy that feels like he could has all he has a lot to give to the world you know I'm like yeah no question and then he asked me one last question, Steve. Is Joe Montana on the team? Is he there? And if you needed to go ask him for advice, could you do it? I'm like, well, yeah, that's the whole problem is he's sitting there on the sidelines hurt. And he goes, yeah, but if you needed a mentorship, could you go ask him? I'm like, yeah, I could. And then he said, man, I've been around a long time. My seven habits book, this is what I do. I look for companies, platforms where people give people a chance to iterate and see how good they can get. And I just try to amplify their story so that people can read about it and help their own lives. And I got to be honest with you, as I travel the world, this is the greatest, best platform
Starting point is 01:24:10 in that I've ever seen for somebody who's set up to go see how good they could get. Yeah. And I was, I remember when he said it, I was like, wait, didn't you just tell, I just told you a half an hour of, of crap. Like what do you, what do you try to turn this on me and he turned it on my head in a way that just I freaking changed my life big time that's incredible I would have I would have just shut up and then uh put on put in a bet against you guys the next week if you just unloaded that on me he actually helped you he changed your life
Starting point is 01:24:40 well no and then I remember getting off the plane Tuesday night thinking, I got to get to work, man. And I've been so I've been bitching bonus so much. I might get fired, you know, Wednesday mornings when you get fired. Right. And so I ran down to that day thinking, please don't fire me. Please don't fire me. I feel like I've got a new lease on life.
Starting point is 01:24:58 And you talk about that's 1991. And that's towards the end of the season in 1992. I'm the MVP of the league. I'm only say that because Steve Covey gave the perspective You know shifted by axis to see that I wasn't in a big pit of Neglect and victimization like like stop. Yeah, and so I'm dying. I owe him a great debt I didn't mean to talk about all this today, but no, that's really cool So I owe him a great debt. I didn't mean to talk about all this today, but No, that's really cool. Yeah. I mean, it's, it's an incredible story that like a happenstance just on a, on a plane can change your entire outlook.
Starting point is 01:25:33 Everything it changed. And when I said I ran up to the Troy, when I ran up to him, said that to him, like that's what I was, I'm about it. Yeah. You're, if you're a great, I'm about playing you man. Cause I got to find out. Yeah. Because I got to figure out and I remember Mike Shannon came in in 1992 as a new offensive coordinator for the 49ers and I remember talking to him about this at length and he's like, man, that's inspiring. Let's be about it. Like he went all in. And so we just, the two of us, for three years until he freaking committed treason and left for so we just, the two of us for three years until he fricking committed treason and left for the Broncos, uh, the three years we were together. I mean, I put
Starting point is 01:26:11 it up against anything, anywhere, anytime. Yeah. And your numbers were insane. Speaking of Mike Shanahan was there, I remember there was a rumor that in when John Elway retired, there was a chance you were going to come out of retirement and go play for Mike Shannon. I wasn't not on retirement. I was, you're still on the Niners. He's a 98, 99 season. And so Mike was, and uh, yeah, no, I spent some time in Denver and we were, we were ready. We were thinking about it. Was it close? He was all in. He was all in and I just I don't know. My wife says that's one of the things I you know because we were
Starting point is 01:26:52 newly married at the time and she regrets not like pushing me harder to do it. I was I was kind of emotionally cooked in some ways like you get towards the end you like ah what am I doing and I and I just need I I I I should have jumped in. I want to play 2000 to maybe two or three years, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003 would have been the years I played in Denver if I would have done it.
Starting point is 01:27:14 Yeah. Wow. That's a real like, what if, yeah. What if moment? Yeah. Could, could the Broncos have won another, do you think you want to win another super bowl? Why not? Let's go. Yeah. I mean, those are good teams. Mike and I, I mean, the two of us, I mean, if history was anything like we had before, it was good stuff. Yeah. I got kind of a tough question for you here. Um, can you tell me which loss was worse for you?
Starting point is 01:27:39 Which Brett Favre? 92 championship game. Okay. I was going to say, um, out of all the Brett Favre losses, is it the, uh, consecutive playoff losses or is it losing the role in something about Mary Jones were different because, um, the championship game we played in Green Bay, my rib was out and I didn't only played like three plays. So I don't worry.
Starting point is 01:28:00 I'm, that was that one. And then the loss at home in 95, we just couldn't run the football. Like we just, you know, they, we had Gilbert and Reggie white for our line was super hard. Like it was just, it wasn't as, I don't know why it wasn't as painful. It was more, it felt more competitive. When I think about the 92 champs, you gave my throw up on my mouth. Like I really struggle with that one. That was a total screw up. And I, the regret I have about
Starting point is 01:28:25 that game is, is heavy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, by the way, we have a bone to pick with you. Uh, you are not going to remember this at all. You're not going to remember this at all, but I still have to bring it up. Uh, in 2000, you really have to, you know, here it is. This is going to be funny. It's kind of a full circle moment because you probably have no idea what I'm about to say in 2020 you were on I believe PTI and maybe lightly but kind of criticizing Joe burrow for doing an interview tipsy. We were the ones who did the interview with him and we were the drunk guys. No, no, I think, I think you're remembering a little bit off. You've spoken cigar at LSU and I regret,
Starting point is 01:29:05 I actually regret that interview for me. Like what am I, I was like, what are the kids going to start smoking cigars? Like stop Steve, relax. But it was actually, it was, you said something about like he's doing an interview tipsy. I want it on the record. We were actually fully hammered when we interviewed him. We interviewed him like six hours after he won the national championship game. It's one of the, my favorite moments that we've had in this history of this podcast. We've been doing it for nine years, but we were, we were fucking hammered. I went home. I guarantee you I have his PTI that I was having fun with it because it was funny to me. Like I think I enjoyed the fact that I was watching you guys and going, what are we doing? Yeah, it was, I mean, it was, I mean, it was like a thrill
Starting point is 01:29:49 of a lifetime. We got to interview the national champion. How come, how come hammered you got to interview a guy right after the champ as national championship? Like, well, he didn't know that we're going to be hammered, but we'd known Joe for a while. Yeah. And we knew coach Joe. They'd known Joe for a while. Yeah. And we knew coach. Oh, yeah. They'd become good friends of ours. Oh yeah. We, and when, so we stayed out, we stayed out late, uh, after they won the national championship and then we, we had friends in the program and we're like, Hey, we'll come to your hotel. We can set everything up in the lobby or, you know, a room we'll interview you before you got to get on the buses. So
Starting point is 01:30:22 Joe and coach Oh came down, coach O was sober, but Joe had, he just won a national title. It was like eight in the morning and we had been on bourbon street all night. So we did the interview just very drunk and it was, I mean, it was one of the funniest things we've done. I miss my PTA times because PTI times, cause it was a, there was guys are great, quite the great questions. That's always fun. So I'm sure we're laughing about you guys. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:30:47 I mean, we, we, I think we also got them in trouble because I think that's when Joe admitted that Odell was handing out cash. Yeah. Cause we're like, you're about to leave LSU. So it doesn't really matter now. That was real money, right? Yeah. I got plenty of money too, in my pocket.
Starting point is 01:31:00 So you guys, you guys took down a lot in one. Nice job. Yeah. That was the first time that college players have taken money. Yeah. Yeah. We were doing some good interviewing. Yeah. We should do all our interviews drunk. We really should. It's actually not, it's a pretty good, pretty good hack for if you're starting a podcast, just get hammered and badger people with questions. Yeah. I got a question for you about the modern day, uh, quarterback play in the
Starting point is 01:31:25 NFL, namely the slide. So, uh, I don't know why, but just in the last two years, I feel like I've been, I've been watching quarterback slide to protect themselves and I've been thinking more and more, the slide isn't really that safe of a play at all for quarterbacks because it puts your head so close to the ground where if you get hit on a slide, you're likely to bounce your headbacks because it puts your head so close to the ground where if you get hit on a slide you're likely to bounce off the ground. It puts your head on a pedestal, right, at the level of people's knees and like you basically are saying and by sliding you're opening yourself
Starting point is 01:31:58 up, right? It's like, oh hit me in the face. Yeah. That's what the slide and I think the slide, the game, look, the game change when they change the rules, it's now a Canadian sized field. Essentially is what we've done is we've expanded the space because defenders can't launch their bodies. The space that's come in the last six or seven years that's put the prototype is now like, it's my game. I'm, you know, all the people tell me you scramble, you, you're weird. You're odd. Now I'm like, this is my mainstream.
Starting point is 01:32:29 Yeah. And so the game's changing and the slide needs to change because it's actually, it can be weaponized by a quarterback. You're seeing Patrick Mahomes, not the slide particularly, but the go out of bounds fake and then come back or the pump fakes or all the stuff that they're doing to abuse defenses Defenses are really under duress from the NFL by making the rule change for safety. And so it feels like The slide I
Starting point is 01:32:56 Never slid if I if you can get a quota I'm gonna any clip of me sliding and be a mistake if I did because I always felt like just what you just said it's dangerous you get yourself hit in the face and uh and plus referees always reduce where you slid like whenever I would I guess I have slid because I know I've done it and they and then all of a sudden it's for a first down and then I'm a half a yard behind I'm like what are you talking about like I I slid to make the first down and they're like then also it was for a first down and then I'm a half a yard behind. I'm like, what are you talking about? Like I, I slid to make the first down and like, no, I usually, but as I learned sliding the mentality of it is they don't give you the yards. So forget it. I'm not going to do it anymore. Do you guys, does your mom live with you? What is going on? That's Max.
Starting point is 01:33:39 Max just came in to, to change the, uh, he doesn't care. He doesn't care. He didn't care at all. He just walked right in front of the camera. That was crazy. Freaking boring story. I don't need to know those nuts. Like, like I fell asleep and forgot you guys were live. Yeah. Max, you have any questions for us? Let's go with the slide. You gotta get, you gotta change the slide. Your mic's not on. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, into the dead mic, bro. Yeah. I mean, imagine if you had slid on that, I, for some reason it popped up. I love the old accounts where they just pop up old, uh, highlights that 49 yard run against the Vikings game winning touchdown run. Like that would have
Starting point is 01:34:17 been ruined if you had tried to, if you tried to save yourself and slid somewhere on that run. No, but I think the game it's unfair for defenses today because you've gotten Lamar Jackson out there sliding. You know, you guys, these guys are, I mean, these are super, super capable people. So they put themselves in a bind. So what happened with Shazir is that he's, they're taught to go when someone slides, that you go to hit them, to take them down because they're such a threat today, because their prototype is to come out of, you know, start gaining those free yards out there, but then just fly over the top of them, go to hit them. And if they slide, just fly over the top. But that's even harder to do. So I think, I don't know, I think sliding is to make it, to make sliding safe for quarterbacks
Starting point is 01:35:01 is impossible. So get rid of it. Yeah. I don't, I don't mind that take it all. Yeah. Cause like it's impossible for, for defender to just stop. It's worse and worse as the more mobile, more dynamic of a runner coming out of the pocket, the quarterback is the less,
Starting point is 01:35:15 the slide was invented for people who couldn't run. Yeah. You're now out of your element. You're in a very dangerous, you're down in the jungle now without any weapons. And you're like, how can we get you to safety? Yeah, so the slide was put was for people who didn't know what they were doing out there They were it was out of there's other that's just not the case anymore
Starting point is 01:35:37 Yeah, so the slide is the actual the rule for the slide is is for a time that's gone Now the prototype is not the pocket. You have to be a sophisticated passer to do the job, but the idea that nobody can go get those yards with their legs, those days are over. So the slide is, it's not part of the game today, shouldn't it be? The one thing about the modern game,
Starting point is 01:35:59 obviously the offenses have been, you mentioned it, like it's very easy to play offense now Now everything's open. Wide receivers are incredible. I do think we get to a point where we forget about how special Jerry Rice was. Can you tell us, uh, maybe our younger audience, like what made Jerry Rice so damn good? Because we get to a point where, yeah, there's guys that are image of our chase, Justin Jefferson, some of these guys are doing incredible things. Jerry Rice was doing that every single year for a decade and a half. Uh, no room. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:36:29 With no space, with no, like that's the thing. The game was, you had to, that you had to, you had to make spaces and offense. There was no, people were launching all over the place. Defenders are flying. You couldn't run slip screens. You couldn't, there were no cheap yards. Now people say, well, you ran a lot of slants for cheap yards, but tactically, we were quicker to the punch in some ways. But it wasn't like the game was not the game today. So you make a great point.
Starting point is 01:36:57 Jerry Rice, every once in a while, you run into somebody like Michael Jordan, who is supreme talent with supreme work ethic. Like blue collar over my dead body every day. And I think there's, and I think in a person's psyche what happens is there's a fear that even though I'm amazing at something, I have this fear that I can't get rid of that I'm going to someone's going to take my job. And I swear to you, I think Michael Jordan was driven by that, even though it's like he was the
Starting point is 01:37:32 greatest ever. And Jerry Rice was driven by the same thing until he would the day he retired, he thought someone was going to take his job. Yeah. So he lived in a state of I'm not going to say fear because it's the wrong word but Anxiety That that I need to go to work. And so I'll give you one quick story. We won the super bowl against the chargers come home Do the parade down market street the buses pick everyone up from the market street go down to the facility in santa clara Drop everyone off the coach makes a speech because he just won the Super Bowl hey see you later see you then first OTA in April and uh you know goodbye so everybody is like it's like a derby like to get out of there everyone's gone so the next day no one's no one's going to go to no one's going to go down there tomorrow right but
Starting point is 01:38:23 I'm single I got nothing to do I'm going to go down clean up my locker I don't know's gonna go down there tomorrow right but i'm single i got nothing to do i'm gonna go down clean up my locker i don't know so i go down there nobody's there and i'm and the doors are locked but i know there's a 24-hour guard that's there all the time so i'm banging on the door bangler he finally comes like bro what are you doing here i'm like i don't know i cleaned the locker i want to you know take a hot dog i don't know do something and i go out the fields you know the 49er facility still still there, same thing. Go out the back of the locker room and there's the fields. I look out and fricking Jerry Rice
Starting point is 01:38:50 is out back in the corner. And I can't hardly see that it's him at first. I'm like, who's that fricking crazy man out there in the corner running? He's like running routes against air and then he's acting like he's catching the ball. And I'm like, that's Jerry. Holy shit.
Starting point is 01:39:04 And I'm like, bro, Jerry. Holy shit. And I'm like, bro, like, take a day off, man. And a couple of things went through my mind. First was, is that Jerry? I said yes. And the second thing is, question I asked myself is, am I supposed to go out there and throw it to him? Like, man, I don't want to go throw it to him. I can't remember if I did or didn't. I want to believe I went out there and at least tried but but that's when people say who's Jerry Rice? Jerry Rice is the guy when no one's like he he must have had a key. Yeah. Because the the the guard didn't know he's back there. He go hey Jerry Rice is back. He's like yes what the hell?
Starting point is 01:39:42 You know I'm like yeah he must have no one Jerry had a key. That's crazy. yes, what the hell? You know, I'm like, yeah, he must have known Jerry had a key. That's crazy. To the to the to the gate. And he was going to go do the work. Wow. And so that's Jerry Rice. And so put the numbers of Jerry Rice up there. And look at even today when the game is wide open. Jerry Rice is all his records should be under duress, right? They should be being lapped in today's game and you can't get close to him. Yeah. Did it make it hard as a quarterback when he would give the ball back to you and it'd be all sticky? No, I don't want that.
Starting point is 01:40:18 You guys don't, don't believe the hype now. Come on. That was the, that was the pre that was pre 1985. That was the that was that was pre 1985 That was that was a stick of era now the gloves that they have today Yeah, much tackier than anything that we had when we were playing with in the 80s and 90s much tackier Yeah, the idea that you can go back behind and grab a ball with one hand like Odell does those those gloves aren't Much tackier than they are than they were back in the day. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So you were talking earlier about sending smoke signals,
Starting point is 01:40:50 quarterbacks that send smoke signals. Maybe they're not in the best position right now, but you see something and you're like, okay, I'm going to keep my eye on you. You're still all right. You're still alive. What quarterbacks are out there right now? And we'll move on from Bryce Young because I think he sent up a few of those, but, uh, what quarterbacks right now do you see that might not, they might not be playing that great right now, but you see something that you want to keep your eye on. I see it in Caleb. Now look,
Starting point is 01:41:17 I don't know how the ceiling is and you got to go through some filters. Like I told you, but you got to get into a spot where you can get some help. What I didn't like about Caleb's game yesterday is in the first half like you're look clearly under duress things are really going south fast Get out man and start like make plays like we're not going down this way And so what I didn't like about his game yesterday is he just kind of sat there looking for the third guy waiting for someone To come open like no get out go make something happen Refuse to go down that way. So there's
Starting point is 01:41:46 still learning that he's going to have. But I really, there's some things I've seen this year that I feel like I would want to invest in Caleb for sure. I don't think it's fair to say CJ Stroud anymore because I think we've seen it. Now we just got to get it developed and get him all the help that he needs and everything else. I really feel that he's he's in a great spot. Help me go around the league. I'm just thinking what the Sam Darnold is gonna I mean, what is what are the Vikings do? I know we were saying we had a whole discussion about it on our podcast comes out Monday, Monday, Wednesday. You're saying to not sign a guy that's doing that for you, right? He's playing as well as you could expect
Starting point is 01:42:26 But what do you do? What do you do? I mean, you know this situation. What like what do you do? Hey, I would be Bill Walsh and say look Awkward, but let's let's go. You know who will benefit the Vikings, right? All right, I don't know which one of you will benefit More or less, but right now the Vikings will benefit. Yeah. And as long as you don't have a toxic personality, which I know JJ's not and I know Sam's not,
Starting point is 01:42:52 like, you know, Joe and I were not toxic personalities. We weren't going to inflame things in the locker room. It wasn't going to be worse because of the awkwardness. Now that can happen. You don't want that. But I would be unafraid, especially with my history. Like, bro, two of you, let's just, let's go. Yeah. I mean, iron sharpens iron. You're going to get, you're right. The Vikings will be the beneficiary for free for a few years. Right. So, you know,
Starting point is 01:43:16 I don't know. I just, when someone's playing great football in the NFL today and you know that you know, over and over over again as Sam has shown this year I just I believe that this is the truth of Sam Darnold he will grow from here he's he's gonna be like Josh Allen like he can run he can move he can do all the things that you need from a prototype quarterback today to get out and get those free yards and I would not let Sam Darnold go at all. Yeah. And if I would, and I don't care who you have a quarterback
Starting point is 01:43:52 other than maybe Patrick or Josh, I would say bring them in. If you can get them in a price that works, make it awkward, man. If they're going to let them go, do not. And if I was Sam, I am not going back to one of those places that doesn't take care of it doesn't understand the quarterback position. Yeah. So I will go compete to go to one of those places that does. Yeah. Yeah. Because I mean, you don't Kevin O'Connell is an incredible coach. And then you also have Justin Jefferson. Like, don't walk away from that. Nope. You have to dynamite me out of a place like that. Yeah. Yeah. Um, all right. Well, I had one last question, Steve. This has been so much fun. We really love having you on and we'll definitely do it again. Uh, that's fall asleep, but other than that, we're super excited. Yeah. Well,
Starting point is 01:44:36 he's got ADD. We've, we've, I've thought this has been incredible. Uh, my last question is a row back question. R H O B A C K.com promo code take 20% off your first purchase qzips polos hoodies joggers shorts row back comm promo code take So you mentioned all the way at the beginning of the interview Being on like a losing team with the Bucks and and having that in the locker room We're at that point of the NFL calendar December where there's some teams that it's clear. It's over're not in the playoffs they've got two or three wins how do those teams get off the mat and play this game every single Sunday like is it just our guys just playing for themselves or what is it like in that locker room when you're trying to do the
Starting point is 01:45:17 prep all week and then get there and be like we know we're probably not gonna win football is weird different because the job is to go ram into other people, and it's unusual, you know, as a team game. Look, there's UFC, there's boxing, there's other things that, you know, that's part of that's the game, but the game in football is, I gotta go get people to ram into other people,
Starting point is 01:45:39 and honestly, it's not natural. And so for the human condition, I don't care how tough you are, it's not natural to just go like, human condition, I don't care how tough you are, it's not natural to just go like, I can't wait to go ram into somebody. And so in football, when things were, when you have a sense of one, right? And we're accountable and we work together
Starting point is 01:45:58 and we have each other's back and over my dead body and like, then that natural incentive comes, it comes out of people, it comes out of the locker room, you can feel it, feel it in warmups. I swear I can watch a team warm up and I can feel the level of this over my dead body feeling, this sense of commitment to go ram into somebody this week, I'm ready. And so when you start losing and then you're out of it, somebody this week, I'm ready. And so when you start losing and then you're out of it, then it's tough because naturally even tough veterans of the NFL, human is like, I really don't want to ram anybody this week. Like I'd rather not. And so it makes it super hard, more than any other sport that when things are, you know, you're out of the playoffs, you're, you know, you're just, you know, uh, running out the clock of the season.
Starting point is 01:46:49 When you have to go hit people, it makes it that much harder to get them to go do it. And so as a coach, you know, a lot of coaches use threats and cause they're under, if they're out of it too, they're probably a little under dress as well. So a losing locker room that's out of the playoffs is actually a kind of a dangerous place to hang out because you go to play and not everybody's committed. You get yourself hurt. Right. And so in that way, um, you, you just, you pray that the, you're in a locker room like the 49ers this last week and go, Hey, look, no way. And then there's leadership in there
Starting point is 01:47:26 and there's a commitment to it and we're not going to go down that way. It's probably a little bit of a DNA thing that they've had for a while, but a teams that have lost for a long time and it's part of their culture and their dynamic now, it is brutal when you get out of the playoffs. And now you have to go figure out how to go play
Starting point is 01:47:41 and show who you are. Like the idea that I'm going to be a quarterback on a losing team that's out of the playoffs. How do I, let's say I'm all in 100%. I need five linemen that are all in 100%. I'm not going to say they're not, but human nature says, I really don't want to ram in anybody this week.
Starting point is 01:47:57 So, you know, and so I'm not going to be tip of the spear, you know, ready. It's hard. I feel for teams that are in that mode all the time. I saw it in Tampa Bay for one season. I was there for one full season and there were no losers on the team, but it was a losing place and it was possible to change. I mean, some of the toughest human beings I ever met James Wilder.
Starting point is 01:48:21 I don't know if you remember that name before running back. I mean, tough, I mean, passages, these guys are, they was all, all years I played some of the toughest people I knew were down there, but the culture and the, and the feeling you just couldn't get over it. And, uh, and it gets, it's infectious. It's infecting. And I feel bad for teams that can't get out of it. And I, and, and teams that are constantly in it, I blame ownership. You could, and unfortunately in this league, you can't, because equity ownership is not going to change. You can't, people don't really talk about it because they can't
Starting point is 01:48:55 feel like they can't change it. They can get the coach fired. They can get the general manage fired. They can get the quarterback fired. So people, that's where they talk. They can't get the owner fired. But the problem 99% chance is the owner. They can't get the owner fired. But the problem, 99% chance is the owner. How do we hold the owner accountable? How do we do that as a city, as a fan base? I mean, we need to be thinking about how we help ownership be accountable.
Starting point is 01:49:18 Yeah. Make the team, if they could fill that accountability and answer to it, it would help the team. And so I don't know how to, you guys figure out how to, how do we, how do we figure out an airplane with a banner behind it? Yeah. Listen, you're, you're, you're preaching to me because the bears ownership is not serious about winning football games. And it's, it's very frustrating as a fan.
Starting point is 01:49:40 Well, if you feel that way and then you, then it really doesn't matter who is the general manager, who the coach is, who's the quarterback. Like you can't overcome apathy. Yeah. If that's what you guys are saying, if you guys are saying that Chicago bear ownership is apathetic, then you guys gotta, you gotta figure out how to address it. Yeah. Yes.
Starting point is 01:50:03 The one thing that they pay attention to is, is the bottom line. When the money starts getting messed up, then they start looking at it. Yeah. Yes. No, the one thing that they pay attention to is is the bottom line when the money starts getting messed up Then they start looking at it like I was a I was a commander's Redskins football team fan and I worked 25 years on getting Dan Snyder fired Nothing was ever gonna happen until he started losing money and his his corporate partners started pulling their sponsorships And then he got caught. All the stuff for the investigations to personal conduct was one thing.
Starting point is 01:50:29 But when he got caught taking money from the other owners, that's when it was like, OK, now it's time to get this guy out. So the only thing these guys listen to is money. That's what will make them act. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I just know that the league would be an even better league. We're a great league right now. We're in better league. If we could figure out a way to hold the ultimate equity owners accountable. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:50:51 Agreed. Agreed. I had one last last thing because I read this about you today. I did not know this, but you never took a snap under center in your entire NFL career. So in the shotgun, you were always under center. You never took the shot. And the year I was in the USFL express, that's all he did was a shotgun. I loved it. And it's building, but Bill also didn't believe in it. He didn't believe the timing could be. It wasn't until John Elway and Mike Shanahan used the same offense in 98 and showed, no, no, it doesn't matter. And I remember when John was doing it from the shotgun, I'm like, crack. Why?, it doesn't matter. And I remember when John was doing it from the shotgun, I'm like,
Starting point is 01:51:28 crack wide, like it doesn't matter. And, and from the shotgun, it's just such a better spot to be, uh, to play quarterback. And so, yeah, I know I never in the NFL, I never played one snap of shotgun, which is, that's crazy. That's such a bummer. You had to just get into your center's butt. Every play or me, man, for me, what I could have been. All right. Well, Steve, thank you so, so much. We really enjoyed this. And like I said, we're
Starting point is 01:51:52 going to have you back on. You have to come back on legally now. Your, your recurring guest. I got to tell you, my dad's nickname is grit. Okay. Nice. I see the sign behind you and Angela Duckworth wrote the book grit. Yes. And he's wrote the book, grit. Yes. And he's in the book, which is weird. That's you're serious about grit. I'm in.
Starting point is 01:52:13 Yeah, we do. We do agree. It's just a sign that Max walks by and I'm not gonna I'm not coming back. No, we've grit week every year. Yeah, we do. We do. You guys are about it. Then I'm about it.'m not coming back. No, we've great week every year. Yeah, we do great We throw you guys are about it then I'm about it. Yeah, we are we are we do a great week where we travel around to different Training camps and you know do interviews out of a van. So we're about it for sure I love that. Yeah as gritty as a podcaster can get not as great not that gritty
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Starting point is 01:54:55 And now here's Arizona State coach Kenny Dillingham. Okay, we now welcome on a very, very, very special guest. He is the Big 12 champ. It is Coach Kenny Dillingham from the Arizona State Football Program. Coach, first of all, thanks for joining us. And second, congrats, because you might have one of the best stories in college football right now. You guys were picked to be last in the big 12. You win the big 12. You get a buy in the college football playoff. We're sitting here on Tuesday. Has it all set in yet that this is just like an incredible ride and just a hell of a season? Yeah, it is. And the fun part is it's not over. Like we're still rolling. You know,
Starting point is 01:55:43 that's the best part is we got like three and a half more weeks before we play again. But yeah. And to think it all started when was it coach Dugan's became the OCI at Florida state. The same time I became the OCI at Florida state. It's just ironic that I had all led to this moment. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that was how I first linked up to you with you as I took the job as Doug's at Florida state. And then you hit me up and you're like, Hey, don't, don't let me down here because this is your playing is me right now. Um, and we've talked ever since, but this is, I mean that, that big 12 championship game was incredible because you guys did it in a fashion that was just a blowout fashion. And I do have to ask though
Starting point is 01:56:23 in that game. And we, I want to talk about cam scatterboats cause he's so much fun to watch. There was that clip where he threw the ball, uh, panicking in the backfield and they flashed to your face and I've never seen a coach more like, holy fuck, what just happened? Why did he do that? What was going through your head in that moment? Well, so Cam is actually one of the smartest kids in our team. So I'm going to preface it with that. All right? And we toss him the ball.
Starting point is 01:56:52 The play didn't work. Horrible play called by me. Not good, right? And he starts running around backwards. We were on our three yard line. He then realized he was stuck. And he was 20 yards back. And he's so intelligent, he said, Whoa, I'm out of the pocket.
Starting point is 01:57:05 I can throw the ball away. So he made a decision in a split second, instead of losing 20 yards, I want to throw the ball away. And I knew like as it was going, I'm like, this dude is going to throw the ball away. Like I know Scott, he's going to throw the ball away. And then when he did it,
Starting point is 01:57:21 and the ball almost got picked off, it was one of those moments that I was like, is this real life or is this an alternative reality? I was like in a state of what the hell is going on right now. Yeah. It's actually a really smart play. When you think about it, yeah, it might've taken a couple of years off your life, but I always say that when a running back has a ball in the backfield, they're going to get battled up, throw the ball, get it out of bounds. Yeah. I mean, and we had a guy in the area, he actually came to the sideline and both him and our quarterback are so competitive. Our quarterback had a bootleg off of the play,
Starting point is 01:57:54 off the toss and he boots out opposite. He goes, where were you? You were supposed to be over there. Was he had a plan to throw it back for a touchdown after running backwards for 18 yards to our quarterback. And that's just that you know, he's such so it's such an aware player. That's what makes him unique and different is he he's super intelligent. He plays as hard as you can possibly play. He's so fun to watch. He's he's one of the favorite my favorite guys in college football to watch with a ball in his hands.
Starting point is 01:58:23 Do you find yourself calling running plays? Just because you want to watch him run with a football? Yeah, I mean we definitely want I mean I get on the headset I don't call the plays coach Arroyo does but I get on the headset because that's my background I said hand it to scat. I don't care what you do Just hand it to him or get it to him as many times as you can here I want to see Scott touch it twice in a row. I'll definitely make comments like that. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:58:48 I would just do it not because it's necessary for like the situation of the game, just because I as a person on the sideline want to watch him running with the football. Yeah. I don't, we don't make too many of those decisions. Uh, just, you know, we mainly try to win. Yeah. Our main purpose for decision making. That's why you're you and I'm me. Yeah. Yeah. Our, our main purpose for decision-making. That's why you're you and I'm me. Yeah. Yeah. So the other one, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't want
Starting point is 01:59:11 to trade. No. The other one we got to talk about is, uh, the ending of the BYU game. Um, now this is where you basically were coach Doug's, me playing video games where I had big time clock management issues. I did stupid things all the time. Do you know now that like we're a few weeks removed from that and you're in the playoff and you're comfortably big 12 champs. Do you realize how stupid you were in that moment? Yeah, that was almost day. I, I, I hopefully said it. Uh, I think in my press conference on Monday, like 100%, you know, when we do an average play takes four to five seconds. So, and then a throwaway play takes eight seconds. So when you do the math, yes, does the little book that tells you to run around, run around and throw it away tell you the game's going to end? Yes.
Starting point is 01:59:58 But does common sense tell you to go ahead and score? Yes. So 100% hindsight. Let's just turn around. Let's hand it to that dude and should be at the Heisman Trophy ceremony and let's save the drama for another day. Yeah. It made for a great ending. It did. It did. It was, it was literally, I was watching it live being like, this guy's fucking playing Madden right now. Like what is he doing? And then, and then having that scene of you with the ref and there was some guy standing behind you that was making me laugh so hard. This like diehard Arizona state fan who beat basically instantly became your hype man who looked like he was just repeating everything you were saying. It was why I love college football. It was just a scene you
Starting point is 02:00:37 can't get in the NFL. And yeah, we learned, learned the lesson to maybe just run the ball next time. Yeah. So there's to maybe just run the ball next time. Yeah. Should've just probably handed it to Scott. Yeah. And you know, as an Arizona State student, how hard it was going to be to get all those guys off the field. Like, once the student section gets on the field, that's a big cleanup job that you have to undertake there. That's what was going through my mind was I'm getting pushed in the back. I'm getting hugged by random people and like mosh pitted in there. And then I'm getting pushed in the back. I'm getting hugged by random people
Starting point is 02:01:05 and like mosh pit it in there. And then I'm being told there's still time. Then my wife's out there and we're hugging and she'll give me a kiss, congrats. And then we have donors on the field. The guy that you're talking about is one of our top donors. That's awesome. And he's came out on the field with my wife.
Starting point is 02:01:20 And it was just, you talk about chaos. I mean, but you know what? This, this season's been so crazy that why, why not? Why not give add to it? Why not? Why not embrace it all? Embrace, embrace the chaos. And I feel like you had, maybe this is just the point of the football season where everything blends together, but didn't you have a game that was almost similar where you were out on the field and the game was over? Was that earlier in the season? Like the same thing happened? Yeah. Yeah. I've never had a second added in my career. Uh, Mike, I coached pop Warner. So if there's ever a time for
Starting point is 02:01:54 a second be added on a clock, you think it was pop Warner officials and it's happened twice in our first, uh, 11 games this year. We had a second added to the game, which gave the team the other ball. Yeah. The ball again. So it was very interesting. Yeah. We might need to work on our last second situational football.
Starting point is 02:02:14 That might be something to circle this off season. I agree. There's a lot more than that to work on. I got a lot of problems. Yeah. So you guys are in a great spot now as, as big cat mentioned, you were picked last, uh, in, in your conference. How often do you repeat that? How often do you still let the team know, Hey, you were picked last. Like that's,
Starting point is 02:02:33 that's really bad. The expectations were so low on you that you're actually last and look at all you've accomplished. Do you still, you still use that as motivation like constantly with the team now? Yeah, it's more, we're, we're still not like people don't believe we're good, right? Where we weren't even picked high in the in the last CFP rankings. People are saying, hey, these teams that get to play us have the shorter, easier path. So our guys see all that they read all that, you know, regardless of what they've
Starting point is 02:03:01 accomplished on the last 12 or 12 weeks or 13 weeks now, they, I mean, they still have the chip on their shoulder because people still doubt them. And that's why we're where we're at is because we have a lot of people who were at these blue blood programs that chose to come out here, live in paradise, live in 65 degrees and sunny in December, jump in the pool, maybe take a little dip, right, and walk down Palm tree lane at Arizona state and compete for championships at the same time. I mean, I don't know about you, but that sounds like a good time. You're recruiting us right now. There's probably a couple, I don't know, like, let's say 230 pound. I'd say juniors in high school, they're linebackers, maybe they've got like the start of a mullet going on right now. And they're trying to figure out where they want to go to school, maybe three star recruits. What would you say to those guys?
Starting point is 02:03:51 I would say you get to come out here and live in paradise. You get to play championship football. You don't have to go in the snow and hit people in 25 degrees. Yes, does it get hot in the summer? Yeah. Keep your butt inside, right? Get in the pool. The pool's not bad, right? It's a good spot. And be around good people. We have really good people on our staff and we have a saying here, be a good person, make good decisions. And the last one, have more fun working harder than anyone in the country. You want to have a lot of fun working your ass off. This is spot for you. Yeah. And I got to give you credit because I love your breath of fresh air when it comes to college football and the way you've attacked this is awesome. The one thing that that's crazy that I haven't seen any other coaches do, uh, the transfer portal sucks. You're
Starting point is 02:04:40 losing guys. It's just part of the business, but you're out there quote tweeting a guy who's transferring being like, he's awesome. Someone pick them up. Is that like, I mean, that's an intentional strategy by you, but like, it seems very genuine that you're like, Hey, look, I understand how this is going to work. We're going to lose guys every year. I'm not going to shit talk them. I'm not going to, you know, tell them, make them feel bad for making a decision for themselves. I'm here to still support them. It's awesome. Yeah. I mean, at the end of the day, like I know it's a business. I get all of it. Trust me. I'm in it. Right. So I understand it, but college sports is supposed to be to help the kids. Like that's still the root of what it's
Starting point is 02:05:20 supposed to be. And if there's a guy who's not playing for us, who wants to go play college football, why should I be upset? Like, I shouldn't be upset. I should be like, you're right. You're not going to play for us right now. Or maybe you're behind somebody on the depth chart, or maybe you're really good and you want to go your dream school, right? Maybe this isn't your dream school. Why would I be mad at a kid for wanting to be, do what's best for him? Coaches do it all the time. I've moved around. Assistant coaches move around. What a double standard that would be for me
Starting point is 02:05:51 if I don't support the players and their career aspirations, like I support coaches and like I did in my career. So I root for them, I try to help them. I let them give my number to other college coaches for them to call me. I wanna see them successful. And bottom line, and I really think if you're good to people, people are going to be good to you back. Yeah, I really believe that. Yeah, it's a great message. And you can fight against the rules all you want. A lot of coaches do. They're very resistant to it.
Starting point is 02:06:17 Or you can realize, hey, this is the situation that we're in. What's the best way that we can deal with it? This is the new reality. And if you support guys that are looking to transfer somewhere else, a high school recruit is gonna see that and think to themselves, that's a good guy. That's a guy that I would wanna play for. Yeah, I would hope, like I said. I just believe, like I said earlier,
Starting point is 02:06:37 our number one thing on our board when we recruit people for our coaches, like our number one thing is be a good person. Like, that's not very hard to do. Like when you really, truly think about it, it's not hard to just treat people right. Yeah. And if you do that, good things are going to happen for you. I, I just believe it. So I do think, I do think that's part of it is just being a good person. Yeah. Not rocket science. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, all right. So I got
Starting point is 02:07:07 a question for you. So our, like I said, we, we first got linked up when I took your job as Florida state offensive coordinator as Doug's, but I actually have longer history with you, which always for everything in my life, uh, it goes back to a bet. Uh, you coach Bo Nix is his freshman year. Um, I, I, it took me a long time to become a bow leaver. I'm recently a bow lever. It's been about like a month now that I've been a bow lever. Part of the reason why it took me so long was I remember specifically betting Oregon against Auburn his first game. And I was like, who the fuck is this guy? And you guys won that game, but you coach Bo Nix. Are you surprised at all about the success he's having in the NFL? Like what type of guy is he? Because you were, you were with like unfiltered uncut bone next freshman year where he was doing
Starting point is 02:07:54 crazy ass shit. Uh, now he's, he's balling out in the NFL. Has any of this surprised you at all? Not at all. So I coached Poe as a true freshman. He had a pretty good season as your freshman SEC newcomer of the Year. And then he transferred to play for me at Oregon. That was a big reason he went up to Oregon. And Bo has always been competitive and special and accurate and has moxie and intelligent. Like he's the dude that has enough dog in him that it makes some people uncomfortable. Like, oh, whoa, he's going to say something back to you. Like in a good way, like in a competitive way, like, why do you like that call? Well, what have you thought about doing it like this?
Starting point is 02:08:34 And some people don't like some people. This is what you do. Go do it. Don't don't give your opinion. I'm the opposite. I'm not the I've never been the smartest dude in the room and I never will be. You know what I am? I'm smart enough to listen to people.
Starting point is 02:08:47 And I was smart enough when I went to Oregon to listen to Bone X when he said, I want to run. I want this guy to run the route like this. I'm like, okay, go tell him. You're the one throwing it, not me. I'm over there standing with my hands in my pockets. Like, I hope this works. Right.
Starting point is 02:09:01 So I have zero doubt in my mind that he was going to be successful. He has it and I'm excited to watch him play, you know, for many years to come because I think he's going to be one of the next great Bronco Corvettes. I like that. There's so much dog. He makes people uncomfortable. You know what? You know who he makes uncomfortable. If you got too much dog, he makes cats uncomfortable. It makes non dogs uncomfortable. Yeah. Brings out of them. Yeah. So are you, when you watch him, when you watch me in the NFL, and he hasn't turned the ball over in like a month, are you like, what the hell, man?
Starting point is 02:09:31 What is Sean Payton telling you that I didn't tell you? No, I mean, he did that at Oregon. I mean, he had one of the highest completion percentage in the country. He really didn't turn the ball over at Oregon for us when we got there. So he's kind of doing what exactly what he did his last two years in college. The problem was he's so efficient as a passer, you know,
Starting point is 02:09:52 people wanted him to throw it deep more, you know, and there was a narrative about him going into the draft. And the funny thing about narratives, as you guys know, a narrative can be created about anything. It doesn't really matter. People can make it out of thin air, they can find a stat and create it. And there are some narratives about him going into the draft that led to him. And it was the best thing that ever happened to him because it put him in a position to be drafted by the Broncos with Sean Payton. Yeah. So that narrative of he doesn't throw a deep or take chances was the best thing that could ever happen in his career because it got him with a really good football coach.
Starting point is 02:10:24 You really had like the full Bo Nicks experience because Auburn Bo Nicks was chaotic and it was nuts and it was awesome. And it was just like, I always just think about those that game again against LSU, uh, in Baton Rouge and then in Oregon, yeah, he, he like, it was just touchdowns and no interceptions and he was so efficient. So you, you saw it all you, you, you're the, you're a Bo Nix whisperer. I don't know about whisper. I wouldn't be, I will say this. I can guarantee I would not be the head coach at Arizona state without bone X. Yeah. Without Jordan Travis. You know, I can promise you that because they're both really good players. Uh, the kid we have right now, Sam Levitt, he's a very similar player to Bo Nicks. He's got that
Starting point is 02:11:05 swagger, the blonde hair, the run around ultra competitive. Uh, I mean, they're very, it's, it's like, I'm living, uh, I'm like reliving the Bo Nicks experience with this new guy, Sam Levitt. Uh, and it's, it's super exciting. I mean, now he's a big 12th champ as a freshman. So, I've been blessed to be around some good quarterbacks. Yeah. So, so looking at the college football playoff, I don't want you to get ahead of yourself because you obviously like, I love the spot you guys are in, in the fact that no one thinks that, you know, they look at Boise and they look at Arizona state. They're like, oh, that's a cake walk for Clemson in Texas and all that stuff. But if you're able to win a game and Oregon wins a game and you go up against Dan landing, who knows the other one better? Do you think you know Dan Lening better than Dan Lening knows you?
Starting point is 02:11:49 I think we know each other the same. I mean, I go, we, Dan and I go back to when I was a high school coach and he was a GA at Arizona state. And then we linked back up at Memphis where he was the linebackers coach and I was the quarterbacks coach and coaches play a game called like, who's got the pen last? Where we go in and we talk ball, he draws up what he would do. I draw up what I would do,
Starting point is 02:12:10 then he draws up what he would do. We go back and forth for hours, or some coaches, if you love ball, right? And that was the guy I did that with. And me and him would go back and forth for hours at Memphis and at Oregon, just who's got the pen last? What would you do here? What would you do here?
Starting point is 02:12:25 What would you do here? So I think we both know each other fairly well. Obviously he's got that place rocking and rolling. I mean, I got my Oregon duck helmet up there. I don't know if you guys can see it. It's barely off the screen, but you know, I got a lot of respect for him. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:12:40 So have you obviously have to start looking ahead a little bit in terms of just who you're going to be playing, because you don't know yet. So how much prep work are you doing for each team right now? We're breaking them down. We're not watching them yet, just because we don't know who we're playing. We're really focusing on ourselves. We're watching all of our games and saying, OK, what tendencies have we created that we can break?
Starting point is 02:13:00 So we're really going to focus on our own self-scout and fixing our own problems first. And then we'll get in here in another Week to the really the opponent prep. Yeah. Yeah, that's interesting I always think about the self scouting thing and again, we're dumb We're not you know We're not true like X's nose football guys and I always think about how other coaches would see things that I do on film And then I'd have to like play And then I'd have to like play three dimensional chess to like change something that I think that they've noticed on film.
Starting point is 02:13:27 And then I would get myself totally out of my own game plan. So how much do that as opposed to like playing to your strengths? You know what you do well, and we're going to continue doing those things that we do well. All right. Well, I'll create a parallel here. So I play video games fully aware. It's really not that much different.
Starting point is 02:13:44 You've played a guy who runs three plays in Madden or NCAA over and over again, right? Me, yeah. And he runs the same three plays every single time. Yeah. And you physically can't stop it. Yeah. It's the most frustrating thing on the planet, okay?
Starting point is 02:13:56 There's that philosophy. And then you run the guy who calls run, run, run, play action, run, run, run, play action screen. And it's frustrating, right? And we're more of the run, run run run run play action screen and it's frustrating right and we're more of the run run run play action screen the schemed up than we are we're going to run the same three plays over and over again you can't stop it those philosophies carry over in real life even though nobody wants to ever compare things to a video game there are some parallels it's more of a train of thought and a belief system. So for us, it's more, it's not that we're not gonna do what we do.
Starting point is 02:14:28 It's more, can we do it a different way instead of doing it out of, you know, instead of running four verticals? Can we motion to four verticals this week? Can we align the back on the other side? Can we motion somebody? Can we shift? It's more doing the same things, but looking like it's different. Uh, I would say it's, you know, dressing it up, but a little salad dressing on it. Still a salad,
Starting point is 02:14:49 but still a bit different. So do you, do you have shark wheel in the playbook? Uh, shark wheel is probably the biggest cheat code in a video game ever created. It does not work in real life like it would work in the in the video games. Okay, but you should maybe maybe just have it in there for what you know, maybe if you get to the national championship, you got to surprise someone. Shark will work. It probably will. You know, it does work in real life and in the video game is mesh two by two. Yeah. That's with the tailback wheel. Yeah. That place that place still unstoppable video games, real life. Most common third down play in football third medium playing football is that play, which
Starting point is 02:15:30 is always run in video games too. And people say video games aren't real. Yeah. Yeah. The wheel route just in general is a great concept. I feel like it's especially in college. That's always open. Yeah. You get the running back going full speed against a linebacker in space. And it's like, Hey, it's going to be open. No doubt. Yeah. Um, so your start was very interesting. I don't know if this is true, but you got injured your senior year in high school and immediately went to coaching. So it was like that. It was just, you knew that you had to be a football coach. And the minute you, cause you hear all the time, like guys will go play, you know, division two college, they'll play, They'll go all the way to the end of their football career and then start coaching the end of your football career was senior year in high school. You're like,
Starting point is 02:16:11 all right, ready to coach. Let's go. Yeah. So I tore my ACL the spring of my junior year, tried to play my senior year without my ACL. Uh, problem is I'm five nine, uh, I'm 5'9", I'm unathletic, I'm overweight, and I was never really a good player. And that's not a good combination to already be not a good player and not have an ACL. My high school coach was like, hey, bud, you may want to do this if you like football, start coaching. And so my high school coach is actually our special teams coordinator right now, Charlie Regal. So he's like, Hey, bud, let's just start this coaching thing. You're already not very
Starting point is 02:16:48 good. This is going to make you worse. Oh, wait, I started that. That's awesome. So your high school coach is now on your staff. That's fucking cool. Yeah, he is our special teams coordinator assistant coach. That's that's awesome. It's also it is a really great excuse if you weren't very good to begin with. Because when you hear like, oh, he tore his ACL so he couldn't play football, everyone automatically assumes he must've been a great football player, bad injury luck. So you can, you can play into that. You're being a little bit too honest with us, I think. Yeah, I was not a great player.
Starting point is 02:17:19 I mean, and I wish I could say bad injury luck since that ACL. I've torn my left patellar tendon, playing hoops, playing morning hoops and my right patellar tendon playing morning hoops. So I don't, I was just not a very good athlete. I have my, I have a two and a half year old boy. I pray. And I think he's got my wife's jeans. He was the athlete of the family. She was like an Olympic hopeful gymnast. So I really hope he's got her genes Yeah, wait, so back to your high school coach Has there been moments where you guys been sitting late in meetings? Especially now like maybe even this week where it's like this guy was your coach in high school
Starting point is 02:17:55 And now he's on your staff and you're going to the college football playoff That's that's a really cool like pinch yourself moment. Has he said that to you? Oh yeah, we definitely, our staff is filled with people who love Arizona state. I mean, our running backs coach coach, high school in the valley forever are in the valley is Phoenix area, right? Our, our tight ends coach is born and raised in Arizona, went to Arizona state are one of our D line coaches went to Arizona state. Our linebackers coaches from 15 minutes from Arizona State. Our defensive coordinators from 30 minutes from Arizona State campus. Like we have so many people that are passionate about this place that we look
Starting point is 02:18:35 at each other and we had a saying. I mean, we were predicted to win four wins. So when we were going to get our fifth win, we would look at each other and say, we can just get this one. And then we won five. And then we're like, if we can just get this one, if we can just get this one and 11 wins later, big 12 champs, we're looking at each other into this next week. And we can just get this one. I love that. Imagine a team just going, if we can just get this one all the way to a national title. Yeah, you could do it for sure. It's been a hell of a season and, and the
Starting point is 02:19:07 conference that you play in seems like it's more chaotic than any other conference in the country. What is it about the big 12 that just lends itself to these, these crazy games? Well, one, we play nine conference games. So we play more conference games than some of the other leagues. Right. So you, and then the it's just every team is so close to each other from a talent perspective So I mean, there's not really the bottom of the league Traditionally, there's not a true. I mean, we were supposed to be the bottom but there's not really the bottom of the league And consistent powerhouses. So every week that you play, I mean you could could win or lose the football game. I mean, because it's so competitive. So you beat each other up. And then everybody has
Starting point is 02:19:48 two losses by the end of it. Like when you go through the nine games to survive at eight one is very, very rare. So we beat each other up. And, and then the environments, I think it's an underrated thing, the environments in the big 12 going on the road to Stillwater going up to we didn't go to Boulder this year with Coach Prime, right? Those are I mean, going to Utah going to BYU, though coming to Arizona State, you guys saw our crowd. Those are real environments. So not only do you have to play
Starting point is 02:20:16 good teams, you're not like going on the road to 25,000 fans, you know, who leave at halftime, you're going on the road to people throwing tortillas on the field, like they do at Texas Tech Yeah. Yeah. It's a tough place to go. Yeah. Um, so I know that you walked this back a little, but there was a point in the season where you, you were, you were down to do open trials for, for kickers. And I, I hit you up right away and I was like, I got a kicker and he's sitting right next to me. I started stretching. I told him, I was like, Hey, there's a chance you might have to go down there. So now I know you, you, you figured
Starting point is 02:20:48 that out. I don't know if PFD has a eligibility left, but would you still be open for PFD trying out just getting a, maybe a private tryout in the spring sometime just to see what he's got. We could do a private tryout. Uh, I feel our guys have done a phenomenal job. I mean, I have done a phenomenal job. I mean, I should have never said that. I don't openly apologize. Like I said, sometimes some things have to be handled behind closed doors, but 100%, if you want to come out
Starting point is 02:21:14 and you want to see what you got, I would love for you to come out and embarrass yourself. I think that'd be awesome. How does that be exciting? This is like when you got picked last coach. Now I that'd be awesome. Exciting. This is like when you got picked last coach. Now I'm making this personal. Just make one field goal. Okay. So when big cat told me that I did try out for the XFL went three for five from 37 yards. So I started stretching, gotten the squat rack a little bit.
Starting point is 02:21:41 I do have eligibility left. I looked it up. I could, I could enroll in ASU law school and I could be on the roster. Like obviously I wouldn't get in the game, but you don't have a limit. I could just be on the roster and just, just show up for games as like the seventh string kicker. Right? I mean, in today's day and age with NIL, you know, you may be able to NIL yourself through pardon my take to become our fourth string kicker. Yeah. There could be a play there.
Starting point is 02:22:12 There's an opportunity. And you know what? I want to take on the mantra of what you speak about at ASU and any NIL money that I make through being the fourth string kicker. I'm going to distribute that to the rest of the kickers on the team. I think that's a great idea. I think that's an absolutely phenomenal idea. And I'm going to, I'm going to match. Big Gats is going to match.
Starting point is 02:22:31 I'm going to match. Oh, we'll see. Hot damn. Yeah. We're rolling now. Now we're cooking with fish grease. Yes. I can, I can still make a 35 yard field goal consistently. I think I haven't kicked in like a year, but you, you give me like three months to get in shape and to start working on it. I'm going to be, I'm going to be lights out from 40 in consistency. That's what you need. He's just trying to test you. So I actually
Starting point is 02:22:53 did have one last question. This is he's trying to test you because I know how, how coach dealing him is a row back question, R H O B A C K.com promo code take 20% off your first purchase Q zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts, rowback.com promo code take, go right now and buy it. Uh, my last question, and I know what you're doing to PFT because I know you pretty well, uh, in just reading everything and talking to you, uh, you, you just like guys who want to compete. So you have a ping pong table, uh, that you,
Starting point is 02:23:24 you basically have the rule that if you beat someone in ping pong and they don't want to play again, you're like, that guy's not for me. Uh, so how, how much, how much of that is like real where it's like, you know, if we play a video game and you don't want to play again, I don't really want you around because I want you to have that dog where you're like, I got to win a game. Yeah, it's not. I mean, I say that jokingly, but it's somewhat like it's not 100% true. I just want to see somebody who's like passionate about it. Like we're doing something. We're competing in something. Like if I beat you and you're like, Oh, what's the next thing
Starting point is 02:23:58 that we're doing on our visit? Right. That doesn't, I don't connect with people like that. Like I grew up the youngest of four where I got my butt beat and everything. And like I would hate it and I'd be like, play again, play again. I want people that like want to be the very best and that are wired in a way that I don't care if they're playing titilly winks. They want to win. I don't even know what a titilly wink is. But I've heard the saying before and they want to win in it. And whether it's bade, whether it's chess, whether it's NCAA, I want people that it pisses them off to lose. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:24:33 It's uncomfortable. Yeah. I like that. Love that mantra. So is there anybody else on your team that you want to shout out like an unsung leader of the program? Because we spent a lot of time talking about the running back, the quarterback, but is there a guy on the team that's like the heartbeat of the team that's kind of operating behind the scenes? Yeah, one of those guys would be Xavier and Alfred are starting safety, uh, who was first team all conference. He started his career at Texas, uh, transferred from Texas, went to USC, you know, didn't work out there there transfer from USC shows up at Arizona State the NCAA He deemed him ineligible for transferring twice as before the rules changed
Starting point is 02:25:10 so then he practiced for a year and a half without playing here and Now his first team all conference the what he's put the work he's put in He's the guy who gives our pregame speeches if you ever watched any of our videos. I don't give pregame speeches I'm horrible at it, but he's good at it. So he's the one who gives the pregame speeches to the guys. He's definitely one of those guys. I love it. Love it. We're rooting for you guys. Yeah. I mean, this is, uh, it's why I love college sports, this type of story. And, and, and someone who's got the passion that you've got, especially for Arizona State.
Starting point is 02:25:45 Don't let Pete Prisco back on the bandwagon, by the way. He's a friend of ours. He's gonna say that he never left. He definitely left the bandwagon. So we'll gatekeep the bandwagon for you when it comes exclusively to just Pete Prisco. That sounds good. Okay.
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Starting point is 02:27:47 Wait is this still the Michigan fan nope Maybe I've been dating my boyfriend for four months. We're in our late 20s, and he absolutely loves basketball Recently he joined the league where two teams play the unks usually usually happens as it sounds a bunch of middle-aged men play against recently graduated high schoolers. The Unks and have an XD1 football player and always win. And my husband takes great pride each week. He makes fake newspaper articles and AI-generated podcasts glorifying himself for his performances. He recently said he's considering going to an open NBA tryout because he dropped a triple double against a team of 18-year-olds. Should I be honest and tell him he isn't good enough or should I let him let try and live his dreams? I love this idea for a league where it's just two teams and you only have one team that you play against and you play
Starting point is 02:28:34 Against him all the time. It's like it's like gangs. Yeah, it's Harlem go go Trouters in the Washington Generals Yeah, no, I think guys gotta have a hobby. He's creating an alternate universe for himself That's a normal thing to do with like fantasy football and you know rec leagues and stuff Someone always takes it seriously, but that's not a bad thing also What were you say max I I want I want us to put out this graphic of like that he's that he's joining it Yeah, yeah, yeah, I want I want to fulfill us to fulfill this guy's dream. Yeah, send us a recap and we'll talk about it. It's a national sports podcast. We'll talk about it.
Starting point is 02:29:10 Also, judging from this blurb that the girl wrote in, nothing better, nothing better than playing intramural, rec sports, whatever it is, and having a true insane athlete on your team team because that's really what it sounds like He's just good because he's got a d1 football player on his team But when you like when you get in those situations, you're like we have a true ringer and there's just no way we can lose Best feeling in the world. I do love with a scrambled golf when you have a scratch golfer Yeah, yeah, like when you took all the money for me at your
Starting point is 02:29:45 Club with that guy Yeah, who's a PJ pro? Kurt that was I love what he's doing though. I love that. He's creating like this entire thing entire narrative storylines about his team You'd rather have a guy like that than a guy that just doesn't do anything. Yeah. Yeah Hello, big cat PFT hanky wanky and crybaby max. Hmm. I was mean my husband I Forgot about that tweet my husband dips and constantly leaves his spitters around the house He tells me don't throw them away until they are full
Starting point is 02:30:15 I think this is absolutely gross, but he thinks it's better than making a new one every day and then proceeds to say it's good for the environment What do I even say back? Yeah, he's right. Although it is gross. Spitters are fucking gross. Disgusting habit. I remember when we first started working out of the New York office
Starting point is 02:30:32 and it was a time when there were no Lucy's, there were no nicotine pouches. Like everybody in that office dipped constantly and every Mountain Dew bottles, caps on them. The Mountain Dews are different because they're like they're green So they're little tinted but people walking around with like Pepsi bottles and water bottles Mm-hmm that were just filled to the brim with dips bit. Mm-hmm everybody all the time. That was that was gross looking back
Starting point is 02:30:58 It's it's Cuz yeah, I'm a loosey guy, but it you know back in the day Cuz yeah, I'm a loosey guy, but it you know back in the day Having tip you can't have a bottle after it gets like a quarter full you got to throw it out because then you're spitting and It's splashing back It's gross. Can we do you like fill one up? That's just disgusting We bring back the spittoon that they had in cartoons where you would like spit into it from across the room and make that nice Satisfying ding. Yeah, shout out this guy for looking out for the environment though What a great spin zone
Starting point is 02:31:29 Everyone in this room is accidentally tasted yes bit right? Yeah, I mean I only would call it for a year, but in my college days And when I lived in in Boston my roommates dipped and I didn't and the the number of times like waking up and drinking Being hung over and taking a sip of something and it being dips But yeah, there's truly no worse worse with a hangover House which drinking dips. Yeah, there was just dip everywhere everywhere I'm a guy but think this question is pertinent every time my wife comes home after running errands go to the gym, etc
Starting point is 02:32:04 She asked me if I jacked off while she was gone. How can I get her to stop asking me besides saying yes and having a weird conversation every time? I also don't want to lie to her, but the answer is usually. I was gonna say he's definitely jerking off. So yeah, what? Yeah, I think I think this guy's confused because she just 100% has your number. And you have a tell. There's something where she comes back and she knows, maybe don't do a good enough job cleaning up. That's why she's asking you all the time.
Starting point is 02:32:35 If you stop jacking off, I bet you she'd stop asking. Maybe turn off the porn before she gets back. Yeah. That'd be funny if she just kept on walking into him blasting porn. Yeah, or she goes on the computer and auto correct just pops up. Also, yeah, just don't jerk off a couple times. Say no, and she'll probably stop asking. If you keep saying yes, maybe you can get some. Yeah. Yeah, just like
Starting point is 02:32:57 no, I was saving it for you girls love hearing that. Yeah, you're probably you're probably you're fucking up because she's coming back. She might be hor fucking up because she's coming back She might be horny and she's from the gym. Yeah, she's asking you if you jacked off because she wants to bang Yeah, and we're a point when you don't immediately respond with let's go bone. Then she's like he jacked off. Yeah, he must checked off This was a tweet. I don't know. I it got it went pretty viral on Twitter This was a tweet, I don't know, it went pretty viral on Twitter. From Tori tweeted, my sister asked for a pod rec for a six hour drive. This isn't guys on chicks.
Starting point is 02:33:31 Obviously Tori listened to part of my take. This is her review and this is from Lex. So this is chicks. Okay. Yeah. Max from hashtag PMT is so fucking annoying when he sucks off the Eagles constantly. So that was Alexa's review I think that was on Friday's episode
Starting point is 02:33:48 So it was after his lions ramp which did make no sense, but we have to let him just do what he wants That was it was natural. He was doing it off air, too That was just like immediate aftermath of a game that didn't go your way correct So I do think that people forget sometimes that like we will record a right after a game that didn't go your way. Correct. I do think that people forget sometimes that like, we will record a right after a game and that is the dumbest time for us. Like the dumbest time for our brains is immediately after a game and having zero time
Starting point is 02:34:17 to process what we watch. Yeah, you know what? The best way to do it is to watch another game and then go ahead and talk about the game before the last right you saw But we can't we're not able to process no very nor do we want to know and also I don't think the podcast would be As good if you know do you want to sit there and listen to somebody that you agree with all the time if we're just Like yeah, actually looking over my notes. You know they should have gone. No. I just want to be like hey dumb coach
Starting point is 02:34:42 stupid interception that many home games play all their games are bang. Podcast done. If you want somebody that gets it right, like listen to Malcolm Gladwell. Yeah. Talk to her. Yeah. We ain't ever going to get it right.
Starting point is 02:34:57 And we take pride in that. But yeah. Uh, Lex was it Lex? We heard your, we heard you understand. I understand. Clear. We take criticism, you know, valid criticism, we take it seriously. So we will make steps to make sure that Lex feels like her needs have been met.
Starting point is 02:35:12 And for the fans, just so you know, at home, Max and Hank are actually very aware they'll oftentimes like it's probably every like once a month for each of them, we'll finish the show and they'll just be like, I talk too much. Oh yeah. Oh that Friday I was thinking I was like that was a big talk too much. I mean Max has to do it now for the you know the the five or six years when I was editing the podcast I would be listening back and then hear myself talk and get mad and be like why? Do you ever edit yourself out? Oh my god in the beginning the first few years
Starting point is 02:35:45 I was editing everything As soon as I start I just go like 4x speed that you can't even actually hear what I'm saying I you guys don't talk too much. I love having multiple voices like memes. He's been fucking talking all episode. Yep Do you guys ever get the thing where? Like you you record a podcast then you go home and you go to sleep. Usually like on a Sunday, it'll be late. We'll try to fall asleep at like 12 31 AM. And as you're laying there in bed, trying to fall asleep, you just keep saying yourself, I shouldn't have said that. One thing,
Starting point is 02:36:18 all the time, you know that you're wrong. You know that you are very wrong. And then you just know that you have to wake up the next day and have hundreds of people tell you that you were wrong. But the thing that you know that you are very wrong and then you just know that you have to wake up the next day and have Hundreds of people tell you that you were wrong about the thing that you know that you're wrong or like I shouldn't have reacted that way I'll all the time and I'm I think that's actually why we're successful is that we actually are still critical of ourselves because If we if I went home every night been like nailed that yeah, it would probably suck. But yeah, no, I I Don't sleep. I added out like a whole thing that we said last episode about what we just kept talking about how tess Watkins from Oregon is a really good receiver his name is tess Johnson. Yeah, let's walk. That's why I just called him Yeah, we appreciate that
Starting point is 02:36:59 Denial that anyone even listens to the show and that this is a podcast That's how I live my life. You know, I know the minute I get something wrong, like I get in my car on Sunday nights and I am like, Oh, fuck. Then I just have that moment like, ah, whatever. I know, hopefully they'll be cool about it. Like this is my career, but I just tell myself like, Oh, I was never going to be like, you know, and I don't consider myself someone whose opinion matters in sports talk. So like, it doesn't matter. Yeah. Doesn't matter how dumb you are. Yeah, it does matter. Um, all right. Good show boys. Uh, the whole booth is here. Uh, booth. We got anything to say about Luigi? We just vow. I mean, we got a
Starting point is 02:37:41 whole booth of Italian. I'm curious to see what the what the next play is for Luigi Yeah, did you see the YouTube video? What what do you think Mario's gonna break him out was that fake? What? Yes, what do you think is gonna happen the next play? I don't know. He said that there he said it's not over I saw I saw a tick-tock. I'm pretty sure it's over. There's a fake YouTube Or like it was I was now that made it it just kind of well that he got For acting suspiciously in a McDonald's I think the the answer to my want to get into it I want Hank need your thoughts can't edit this one out, buddy
Starting point is 02:38:15 I was gonna say the answer to my question while Hank thinks collects his thoughts That instant reaction from our Italian booths. Hopefully Luigi doesn't get an Italian lawyer. Yeah Shows up the first day. He's days like did you see a YouTube video? YouTube It looked like it would have been interesting if it was if it were real, okay, but apparently it's not it's not Hank I don't know I Just take everything with a grain of salt. Yeah you're smart.
Starting point is 02:38:45 I'm not just going to believe everything. There's a lot of things that don't make any sense and it's basically everything. The media lies to you. You know what's disappointing to the listeners is that we're going to have a great post-show conversation about whatever Hank's thoughts are right now. Yeah. Yeah but this is where I get actually in my head because it's like I'm not trying to spew conspiracy theories
Starting point is 02:39:05 And then have everyone you know it well I would let's take some time because I know I'm not informed but get my initial reaction is fra Friday, let's get a little presentation. I just wonder it's down there manifesto as a young kid Ted Kaczynski Yeah, right. Oh pretty famous. No, but I'm saying like he's a tease. Oh, he's a youth Okay, you thought right? I'm saying like he's a he's a he's a youth. Okay youth aren't Three pages so you're saying if it was a notes app that that it was unbelievable I don't think if it's three pages that's manifesto. Thank you put together Like presentations for me and I'm never in person. Okay ever like physical copies. Here's what we'll do
Starting point is 02:39:39 He's way younger than me. I just I wonder if you know He was a heartthrob after his picture went out there girls were like swooning all over him I wonder if he got to actually like Enjoy His like brief celebrity run no probably not you don't think anybody you don't think he boned and a girl recognized him It was like he got the guy the only they only recognized him they arrested him well Yeah, no before that he was on the run for like four days Yeah, but no one knew who he was
Starting point is 02:40:09 Somebody knew who he was You know his full face like his face up, but like no one knew he was on the run Yeah, but you don't think anybody else recognized him was like your your eyebrows looked like that guy Maybe yeah, that was the big takeaway is like guys like him guys like me guys like Nikki smokes We shouldn't be doing that with our eyebrows. Yeah, you just get caught Jets Jaguars game preview on Friday Will be Hanks conspiracy theory our I Give you a full hour numbers
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Starting point is 02:40:58 no one said 93 he said 99 pug 94 is coming soon love you guys. Love you guys. So So So So So I'm out.

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