Pardon My Take - Thanksgiving Special - Paul Bissonnette, Mike Miller, Chuck Lidell

Episode Date: November 21, 2018

Thanksgiving is finally here and it's time to eat, gamble, and watch sports for 5 days straight. (2:15-4:31) Recap of the unreal MNF game between the Rams and Chiefs. Rovell loves the sports bar that is twitter. Preview of Thanksgiving day football. (4:32-23:29) Hot Seat/Cool Throne. (23:30-37:54) Former NHL Superstar Paul Bissonnette joins the show to talk about the hockey season thus far, why Judge Judy pisses him off, and what it's like to not be able to celebrate Thanksgiving as a Canadian. (41:14-1:10:37) Segments include JR Smith uhhh ya think,(1:13:36-1:15:40) Trouble in Paradise Washington Wizards,(1:15:41-1:19:24) Phil vs Tiger, (1:19:25-1:23:10) and Takesgiving where we take listener submitted question/takes on Thanksgiving. (1:23:11-1:31:25)Bonus interviews with 2X NBA Champion and Lebron Apologist Mike Miller. Talking about his new role as Memphis Asst Coach under Penny Hardaway, recruiting the Number 1 player in the country, and what it's like playing with Lebron. (1:32:37-2:04:10) Plus Chuck Lidell talking his upcoming fight with Tito Ortiz and getting back in shape (2:04:10-2:12:49). You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/PardonMyTake

Hey, pardon my take listeners, you can find every episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. On today's part of my take, we have an extra long Thanksgiving edition for you. If you have to work on Friday, we threw in a couple extra interviews so that you have something to listen to when you are sad sack going to work on Friday. We have Paul Bissonette in the regular show. We have Thanksgiving takes. We have Monday night football, the incredible Monday night football game recap. We have a little preview of the football games on Thanksgiving. And then in the bonus show, we have Mike Miller. Yeah, you remember him, two-time NBA champion, LeBron James Apologist, Memphis head assistant coach,

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and trying to avoid your family. You made it. I would go one step further than that and say the year's over. Yeah, no work gets done in corporate America between the day before Thanksgiving and after New Year's and January 3rd. Hold on, PFT, they fucked us this year. Get those out of office replies ready. The man fucked us. Thanksgiving is a little too early this year. The Thanksgiving is a little too early this year and we're going to wake up on Monday, next Monday. First of all, there's nothing better than when you have a few days off work and you can do that thing with where you mentally say like, oh, I'll never have to work again. Like it's only five days, but it really is like, oh, that's probably the last time I'll ever work.

It's a state of mind. Like there's a chance I may never go back to work, but Monday is going to still be November or like not at the end of November, still going to be a few days left November. It's going to fuck you, so be ready for that, but you've made it. Wait, so all you're telling me is that there are more days that you get to slack off. Yeah, that's fine. I actually don't see that as a problem. And then you don't have to work until, I'd say January 3rd. Yeah. Well, then you have the national championship game in college football and the wild card weekend. Wild card weekend. And then February, second week of February. So then no, the combines come up. You got to start watching. You got to start grinding film. It's also a good time to take a

little vacation. Yeah, actually. March Madness. All right. So I'm done until master's the master's the weekend before the master's. Yeah. You got one good work week of work in in March. No. So you made it. We have an extra long part of my take for you. We have three interviews. If you do have to work on Friday, we feel bad, but we've added some stuff at the end. So make sure you save it for Friday. Awesome interview with Mike Miller and Chuck Liddell. But before we get to all that, we got to talk about Monday night football. Yes. Some are saying the greatest regular season game in the history of NFL. I am not going to do that hyperbole. I'm just going to say it was really fucking fun. The greatest Monday night football game I've

ever seen, I think, unless you're Trent Dilfer, who helpfully points out that actually the game wasn't that good because there wasn't a lot of defense. But the thing is, I caught myself saying that I caught myself doing the old man take. Like, even though I was on the edge of my seat, my dog had to go outside like halfway through the first quarter. And I was like, Leroy, I'm not leaving this couch. You don't understand. Yeah. Points. There are points to be had so many points. And so I caught myself like talking to the dog and I was like, well, you know, these, you know, it's not really a great day to be a defense out there, Leroy. But then I thought, you know, actually, that's not true. There were some great defense plays too. The defense was

was the decision maker in this game. The punting game was good too. Like everything about this game is awesome. Johnny Hackers was awesome. I want to say, for the record, all you losers out there that decided you were going to stop watching football last year, fuck you. We don't want you back. You fucked up. You fucked up big time. You dumped the nerdy looking guy in high school. And guess what? Now that nerdy looking guy has robots in all your houses, has an army of dogs, owns Amazon, and he's the only one that's going to be able to survive the nuclear apocalypse. And you're not getting into the bunker. No, see, I mean, you're right about the every little bit there. There's a couple of times. The robot dog part was too fun. No, no, no,

the tire you kill, like 75 yard touching, and you're like, how was he? There was no one on that side of the field. Somebody slipped. Someone slipped. People who are clamoring for defense in this situation. I get the like, oh, you know, the receivers are so easy and it's flag football. But this to me, it was just the two best offenses not named the New Orleans Saints playing in a game that got a little out of control and was awesome for everyone to say to sit here and be like, this is what the NFL is now. You forgot that the bills have to play the Jaguars on something. Yeah, you forgot every other team besides the Rams, the cheese and the Saints. Right, exactly. And maybe the Patriots. So chill out. Like it's not going to all be like this. And I still think

that you can't win a Super Bowl just being like, I mean, the Rams do have like, if they get to keep to leave back and they have the playmakers, I mean, what Aaron Donald is doing is an interior alignment is insane. I still think he's too undersized to be successful. Insane. But you still need to make defensive stops. And if you still have a good defense, like the Saints are rattling off all these wins, their defense is playing well. Do you know what I mean? So I don't, I'm not going to the people who are who are yelling that this is not football anymore. I think that's a little bit of an overreaction. Just enjoy the fact that this was such a fun game and not even Jason Witton and Booger McFarlane could ruin it. Well, they tried. They did. Jason

definitely tried. He did. Booger. I finally caught up with my favorite thing about Booger. I tweeted this out last night, but I noticed it last week when Booger was talking about youngsters. He loves to tell the youngsters, Hey, you got to watch this was which is very helpful. Yes, there are a lot of young kids watching Monday Night Football. But last week he goes all you young offensive coordinators at home watching this pay attention to how these guys call the game. He's talking to Todd Haley and he's talking to Todd Haley. Yeah, he's basically saying him, which is named Norm. But then this week he was Norm. Yeah, Norm Chow. Norm Chow. Oh, yeah. Yeah. All the young guys watch it. Shout out like been a while. Al Saunders watching at home. You might want to pick up some

tips here. But then this week he goes all you young franchises out there, you want to get a good young head coach and a good young quarterback. And he's right. He was just talking to the chargers. Yeah, basically. Well, the Texans, the Jaguars and the Panthers. No, I think he really thinks the Rams just started as a franchise like last year. He also went in on Jeff Fisher on SVP. Jeff Fisher. The first thing that that he said was, shame on you, Jeff Fisher. So to coward for thinking. Oh, listen, that's fine. It's like, I mean, give give Jeff Fisher all the guff you want. It makes people feel better. It makes them feel like they know what they're talking about. Jeff Fisher is an misunderstood mind. People forget he went to the Super Bowl and

Steve McNair. So I rest my case. That's all good points. Yeah. And also a counterpoint. Yeah, Jeff Fisher, guess who drafted all those guys on the Rams. Also, he could say he has his fingerprints all over the state. He also coached the NFL for like 15 plus years. So he must have been doing something right. Yep. I mean, you'd probably get fired. If you were bad, you would get fired. Yeah. If you were average, you'd get fired. That's how the NFL works. Absolutely. Well, his record was average. No, no, no, no, no, no. We're not going to go there. It was a great game. Jared Goff is really, really good. Oh, yeah. Pat Mahomes is awesome. And he's probably my favorite player to watch right now in the NFL. But you're starting to see like he does rely on that

like cannon of an arm too much. He's like, he's like, I can make every throw. And he just he relies on a little too much and it gets him into some trouble. The pick six where he basically was standing flat footed and not even trying to like actually throw the ball like a court. I mean, that's, that is a throw where it's like, I know my arm is better than everyone. So I don't have to do the like proper mechanics of throwing. And I agree with you though. He, I mean, he's essentially a rookie. I'm calling him a rookie. And he still had an unbelievable game. He obviously made some mistakes, but man, that it was just back and forth up and down. There was one person who kind of ruined it for me. Andy Reid. Nope, not Andy Reid. He ruined it for me. Not Andy Reid though. It was,

and we're going to talk about it with biz actually. It's funny enough that he brought it up. Darren Revelle. Oh, he on these nights, he goes so insane on Twitter that it drives me insane. What was it? What was the tweet that he deleted? This ain't it chiefs. Yeah, it said like re-kill. Hey, Tyree kill. This ain't it chiefs. He deleted it right away. He also had the, uh, he just kept on saying in the ultimate like advertising, this is a better version of Superbowl. You can actually go to the bathroom and miss the commercials and then said some company should have debuted an awesome commercial during this game. Could have completely owned the moment at one tenth the price of the Superbowl. Who the fuck is thinking about like, Oh man,

miss opportunity by all these big, big time corporations and brands. This although counter point, big night for Genesis, whatever. I still don't know what Genesis is. And they sponsor the half time show. Yeah. It's Chainsmokers personal car. This game better not be a tied ad. Oh, that's it. I'm still going with the tweets. Thank, and then he put in parentheses, the O in the DELL. So it just said thank God, but it was Goodell. So it's like we're thanking Goodell, but he's also God point. Thank you, Roger Goodell for moving this game from Mexico city to Los Angeles. Prediction for Thanksgiving game. Redskins 6 Cowboys 2. Who the fuck even?

What? Yeah, the Redskins defense isn't going to get a safety. Can we all chip in a quarter and convince the NFL to give us another 15 minutes? No, I don't know. I wanted to go to bed eventually. Like it was, it was, it was a good game. Yeah. I wanted to keep, you know, somebody said, I think it was Greeny. His take was like, I wish this game could go to overtime using college rules. And I was like, yeah, that would be great. Mike Greenberg's dumb rule change. This is my favorite, Val, when he tries to be revered, relatable reveal, saddest guy in the office tomorrow, dude who had the under actually, no, the guy that had the under, he was put out of his misery

early. So fast. He knew he had no chance. It wasn't a heartbreaking loss. And I don't know. I mean, I haven't been in the corporate world for a long time, but I pretty sure the corporate like, you don't show up in the office like, Hey, sitting at the water cooler being like, bro, I had the under. Yeah. Hey, Greg. Greg's gambling is affecting his work again. Yeah, he had the under last night. What we, Hey, do we really want to invite, really want to invite Steve to this meeting? He had the under. We have to question his decision maker. Hey boss, I can't turn in these spreadsheets. I'm pretty depressed because I gambled and lost on football last night. And then as usual, yeah, as usual. And then he did the final,

this one is like the classic reveal. He always has to tell how, because I think this is because Revelle has never been invited to a sports bar or out to watch a game with friends. Wait, can I guess what it is? Yeah. Twitter is the best sports bar in America. It's close. Instagram has the momentum. Facebook has the revenue. Snapchat has the kids. LinkedIn has the marketing, but none of them have the ability to ride the wave of energy with the big news or sporting event like Twitter. Last night was special. It wasn't special. I tweeted that I wanted to fuck the game in the mouth. That's not that, that's not that special. It was, it was incredible. He like ends that tweet with, uh, thanks, thanks for, uh, copying,

pasting there. Yeah. It's like directly from Twitter's marketing department. Right. And also just classic reveal to like make sure that you pat all the other corporations on the back real quick. Yeah. The game was, was so insane. Like at one point I went to take a piss and granted it was a long P and I probably checked my phone while I was in there. You got a prostate problem? No, I got a great prostate. Actually, that's one thing that works real well on me. Nice. Heavy flow. And people usually are like, wow, he must like, they're peeing next to me. They're like, wow, he's probably got a unit because the flow is so heavy. It's actually a little auditory trick that I pull on people. Anyways, oh, you squeeze your dick hole. So it's like

the spray. No, I'm just saying I've got a good spray. I've got a healthy spray. Yeah. So I come back to the couch and I miss two touchdowns. This is awesome. And then starting in the third quarter, when the points just kept coming, it was a big cocky of points. I started checking out the live odds and the odds, like the line kept getting higher and higher for the overrunner. And I was like, fuck it. You want me to take it at 80? I'll take it. You want me to owe 92? It kept getting me. And I was like, let's go. I went all the way up to 102 and a half. And I was like, I'm going to keep taking it. If you keep, it's like that, um, the episode of Seinfeld where Kramer and the guy get in the car and they just drive it until it's empty. Yes. I was like,

let's keep going. Chiefs dropped a 50 burger. And then it just couldn't, it couldn't be stopped. Yeah. It was, it was a hell of a night, hell of a game. I still feel like I'm high from just watching the game. Well, I mean, last night was special. It was special because you were on Twitter. There's no place in the world that can capture the momentum and ride the wave. Yeah. When Ravel sends those tweets, he really is like, will someone please someday invite me to watch a game? The funny thing is Darren probably cross-posted that on every other platform too. Yeah. Like it's probably his Facebook status. Like we're on Twitter because, you know, it's part of our job, but I'd say probably the most fun I've had is like going to games with friends and family and

like doing that, you know, like that kind of stuff, but no Twitter. I bet Darren just like, he said that out loud to his wife on the couch. Yeah. He's like, man, this game. Listen, listen, snatch that out of the kids. He definitely texted her. She was in another room. He woofed her. Darren's got a woof. All right. So let's do great night, great game. Football is all the way back. You were right, PFD, the haters of which there were many last year. You feel stupid. Everyone who panicked about the fucking ratings and all that shit, get out of here. So the Thursday games, Thanksgiving games, I love Thanksgiving football because you have to bet on every game. You have to because otherwise like what else are you going to do? And there always is going to be

at least one terrible game and you're sitting there sweating it out and everyone in your family is like, what would the game is? It's 42 to seven. Why do you care? It's like, someone's got to score, someone's got to score the over under fucking 40 to 52. It's always super awkward with your family knows. You're like, what this game? Why are you even watching this game in the fourth quarter? It's been over for a while. Yeah. So that's that's people know. Yeah. Everyone much people should know. Yeah. I'm a little concerned because so the first game is at 1230, which is that just right off the bat throws me off. Get in there. Yeah, they fuck the bears. They just played and they're playing again. Well, I'm short week. Yeah. Yeah. Roger Goodell hates the bears.

We do know if Matt Patricia is practicing outside this week. We don't know if Matt Patricia is practicing outside. We also don't know if Mr. Biscay is going to play at the time of this taping. He has a shoulder and they actually, yeah. Yeah. He's got a shoulder. Okay. He has at least one shoulder. They, the media, the Chicago media asked Vic Fangio, the defensive coordinator for the Bears, who's starting a quarterback and he just replied Stafford. Great football guy answer. But, um, so it could be Chase Daniel, which would basically make sure that I had a terrible Thanksgiving because I cannot see Chase Daniels winning a football game in the national football. Spin zone. If he wins a game on Thanksgiving, Chase Daniels going to be in

the league for another 20 years. Easily. Yeah. This is actually the biggest week of his entire career. Same with Col McCoy. He's used to, well, no, because Col McCoy's won a couple games before. No, but I'm saying one prime time games. What I'm saying is the Thanksgiving like this, every backup is the same. Where legends are made, right? You have these opportunities to basically catapult you into more and more money. So if you get a Thanksgiving day game and you somehow make like a great, you know, you put out a great performance, people will think about that for everything. People are still talking. They're still buzzing about Matt Flynn week, 17 against the line. I was about to say if Matt Flynn's game had been on Thanksgiving, they just, they would have

backed a truck up. Right. Even Max Deal. Right. But that was a prime time game, which really helped him out, right? I'm pretty sure. Yeah, I'm pretty sure. No, no, no, absolutely not. Hank, can we get the PMT staff department? Let's see what time it was. Absolutely not. Pretty sure it was. I think it was a night. Absolutely not. It was a night game of some sort. No, the Lions game. Yeah, the Lions. Absolutely not. Pretty sure it was. No, absolutely not. I do want to point out, so it's 1230. You're going to look it up. Yeah, he's looking up right now. You don't know how to look it up. Matt Flynn Packers Lions. Absolutely not. Absolutely. So yeah, so yeah, so 1230 that right there throws me off a little bit. Yeah. Okay. I'm going to be

on the west coast. Oh, this means this is actually, this is my Waterloo. This is, this is like my Vietnam. My own personal Vietnam is trying to figure out how to wake up and start watching football all day at 930 in the morning. Yep. It's going to be tough. I believe it's quite I believe in you. I think you got this. No, it was not. I knew it wasn't. No, it was a day game. It was week 17. The Lions were terrible. What time, what time does Hank doesn't know? Hank just made that up. I'm looking at the picture right now. It's daylight. It was in a dome. No, it wasn't. It was in Green Bay. Yeah, I know that. Yeah. So Hank's way off. Matt Flynn. Okay, this is great. Packers Lions.

It was a day game. Yeah, totally day game. Absolutely. It looks kind of dark out. No, PFT. Just admit your wrong ones. Come on. No, hang on. I want to wait until there's a blimp shot so I can know for sure. That's pretty dark. Oh, there's a happy new year graphic. I'm looking at it right now. 1pm Eastern January 1st, 2012. It was snow. You know what it was? Just say your wrong. I apologize. Just admit your wrong. I'm wrong. Big Cat, I'm sorry. There was snow and that's what threw me off. Yeah, that's not even close. Because when there's white stuff falling through the sky, everything else looks darker around it compared to it. I already said, I'm not going to say it twice. All right, so the

bears are minus three and a half as of the taping of the show. We don't know if Travis will play. I think he will, but there is some thoughts that he might not. Listen, I love Detroit. I love the Thanksgiving game in Detroit every year just because you get the fat Lions fans dressed up like pilgrims who are falling asleep and Jim Nance is always like, this guy, a little too much trip to fan. Yeah. And who's going to do the halftime? And we had Aretha Franklin rest in peace. We've had Kid Rock. Hopefully Kid Rock again. Yeah, hopefully Kid Rock again. Yeah, maybe Eminem. Yeah, Kid Rock, Eminem. Who else is in D12? I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. All right, so I, I don't think Sean, you want to do your pick.

I made all my picks on Barstool Sports Advisor special Thanksgiving Day special. I can't remember what my picks are. So you're not going to do it again here. You're like Kirk Herbstree. I don't want to do it. I don't want to do, I know I took the bears for this game, I think. No, you took the over. I took the over. So there you go. So it's 44 and a half. Right now the bears are favored by three and a half points. I like the bears. Okay. I like the bears. The defense looks legit. Like I've been saying, their interior running game isn't that strong. Can't run north-south. They don't run north-south. So yeah, I'm going to take the bears. I think it's going to be a blow actually. Okay. I would take them by 10. Oh, wow. R words versus the Cowboys in Dallas.

Just the C words. Listen, seven and a half is a lot to give to Colt McCoy. Colt McCoy, he's a cowboy killer. I call this guy Marlboro Red because he gets it done. I don't know, 40 and a half over under. I'm going to take the Redskins. Okay. Okay. I think, I can't remember what I picked actually. Okay, cool. I took the under. I think I took the under. I think the under is the way to go here. 40 and a half. Yeah. I feel like both these teams are going to struggle often. They both have good defenses. Yeah. So people forget whoever wins this game is going to come out of Thanksgiving leading the NFC East. Number one in the NFC East, that is, I mean, Jerry Jones, he's going to have himself a day. Yeah. And then the last game, a great game, just because it can

be more points, we can complain about, you know, the NFL's becoming flag football, the Saints and the Falcons and Falcons going to the Saints minus 13 for the Saints. I don't know how you can take anyone against the Saints at this point until they start to show any weakness. Sean Payton, we said it on Monday. He's on the fuck you tour. He doesn't care. 13 is nothing for the Saints right now. Sean Payton's coaching like he's addicted to cocaine. Yeah. Like he has no fear of consequence. Nope. He does whatever. He can fly. He can fly. You can do whatever. He's invincible right now. He's got a great idea, guys. Sean Payton. Yeah, let's throw in Taysam Hill, make him pass. Everybody get in this room together right now. Okay. So we got Taysam Hill out there.

We're going to line him up as a punter and he's going to punt the ball backwards and Drew's going to catch it and throw it down the field. No one's ever going to see it happen. Okay. All right. So Sean Payton literally thinks he's invincible. I agree. Everything in my body is telling me New Orleans minus 13. Take him. But then that little thing in the back of my head is like, you know, everybody's going to be taken. Everyone's going to be taken. That little thing in the back of your head. Maybe he's doing the sprinkling. Sprinkle the money line on the Falcons. Salt the money line on the Falcons. No, I can't resist the Falcons. They're waiting to play their best game. Actually, no fuck it. Take New Orleans and take the over. Let's parlay the Saints in the over. Here's the

thing. Sean Payton is addicted. Well, I want to be careful. I phrase this in my eyes. Sean Payton is addicted to cocaine, but the good news is it's 100% pure cocaine. It's not coming with any shit. So he's not going to suffer any side effects for a long time. There you go. Ride the Saints. Okay. So that is our, those are our Thanksgiving day games. Tune in Barstool Sports Advisors special Thanksgiving day special. We had a turkey. We had one censored. Anything else Hank? Stu almost lit the office on, oh no, that's for Sunday's episode. Yes, Stu was lit the office on fire. He actually did light the office on fire. I walked out of the radio show and the floor was on fire. And then he started, he tried to stomp on it and his shoe caught on fire.

Just a day at the office. All right, let's do our hot seat cool throw and then we'll get to Paul Bissinette, our friend Biz Nasty in an interview with him. Hank, why don't you start? Sure. I'd love to start, Dan. Okay. Thanks, Henry. I hot the fuck. PFT is assaulting me. I'm assaulting you. We are on mail time right now. So we're just kind of just hanging out. Got it. Throwing shit at each other, guys being guys. Well, you know, because my hot seat is healthy people. People like salads because romaine lettuce is basically just been banned. If you've eaten romaine lettuce because of your coli, you're fucked. Nobody out there who's listening has eaten romaine because they're all dead. Right. What is, what's going on with it? It's

got to eat coli on it. Yeah. But what's going on? Every, every single piece of it though. It's not like, uh, sometimes it's like the last place. Yeah. There's like a blanket warning to all Americans. Guys like me don't eat salad. Doing well. Good thing. I'm been in ketosis for a while. So all you have to do is just, well, no, I eat two bags of chips. You just ate the chips. Yeah, two bags. Second ago. My other hot seat is Michigan running back. Kieran Higdon, who guaranteed victory against Ohio State, which seems like the dumbest thing you could possibly, but, but Jim Harbaugh, maybe his most famous moment as a Michigan Wolverine, guaranteed victory against Ohio State when he was a player. So it's kind of tough for any of his players to be like, he can't really yell at them.

I didn't know that. Yeah. So it's tough to yell at them when you, there's video evidence of you doing the exact same thing when you're 22 years old. Yeah. I really like guarantees. Oh, it's the best. Guaranteed. Cause if you know, no, no, no, it's not Hank. If you guarantee something, it means you're guaranteeing it's going to happen. Do you not guaranteeing the Texans won't win the Super Bowl? Yeah. We're part of that. Don't you understand? It's awesome. It's easy, but here's the problem. I watched the video. It was like a half-ass guarantee. Someone asked him, do you, like, will you guarantee victory? And he's like, yeah, I want someone to get up there. Jim Harbaugh, I guarantee we will beat this team on Saturday or Sunday. You know what? The only thing missing

is, so there are no consequences if you miss a guarantee, which is partially what makes it awesome. Well, except for your whole team, like, hating you. Well, they, you know, they don't, nobody blames the guarantee guy after. No, because they, I think they might, no, because there's somebody that is like more immediate, whoever cost them the game, they're just going to blame that guy instead. Yeah, but if all the players on Ohio State are like, yeah, we, we weren't going to come out, and then he guaranteed it, we all came out fired up. Well, then it's bad motivational leadership by Urban Meyer. If you need somebody to make a guarantee, then that you're not getting your guys. I can't guarantee Ohio State wins. I can't wait for Urban Meyer on the sidelines. Do we have

a guarantee offs? Hank versus what's his name? Karan Higdon. Okay. A matchup for the ages. Okay. Urban Meyer might like, this is going, he might just come out in a stretch. He might come out in a Stone Cold Steve Austin neck brace and a stretcher to start the game. You know, he's going to have, he's going to have one of those halo things around his head with the like supporting rods that go into a back race for him. Yeah. I thought I had the idea the other, the, this morning that I actually think I wouldn't put it past Urban Meyer to actually die just so that people won't talk about his team being bad. So we take like actually last last capsule on the side. Hey, I died. Yeah. Like, but you can't talk about me anymore. Yeah. Well,

if he, if he dies, then we don't get any pictures of him eating sad Papa John's. Oh man, it's going to be great. That's going to be great. Yeah. Then my cool throne is Memphis basketball. They got one of their assistant coaches to appear on part of my take. Yes. For the program. Yep. Big day for them. Yep. What else? They also signed the top high school prospect, James Weisman. Oh, wow. Why didn't he go to Duke? I don't know. That's a good question. Huh? I mean, I honestly don't pay any more in the interview, but I actually, they're pitch where it's like they have the star NBA players that are now coaches and be like, if you want to get there, come here. You know, how it makes sense. That's

true. Coach K has never played a single game in the NBA. Do you think that because Jeff Cable, his bag man, is it Pittsburgh now? No, absolutely not. No, it's just weird because like he always gets the number one recruit and then Jeff Cable leaves and now he doesn't get the number one recruit. I mean, it just kind of asks like, before Jeff Cable was over there, he's been coaching at Duke since 1980. When was the last time Duke won the national championship? Anyways, like forever ago. Me and Big Cat were there right in front of Big Cat's faces. No, no, that was too long ago. What was that? That was like, I think it's fair to ask, is the shine starting to come off of the Duke program? Yeah, I'd say so. Yeah, I think they're fading away.

But it's their year. They're going to win it all. There's no chance that they lose at all. Guarantee. I'm guaranteeing Duke wins. How about that, Hank? I love it. We need a guarantee committee to establish repercussions for guarantees that don't come true. Oh, like my pinky isn't enough? Well, I'm not talking about your pinky. I'm saying what happens to Hank, what happens to Hank if his Ohio State Buckeyes don't win? A kangaroo court. It's actually a kangaroo. It just goes and punches you in the nose if your guarantee doesn't work. It's just Delhi. Yeah. Well, just called Delhi and he'll do it. Kick you in the nuts. All right, fair play. It'll punch you in the face. It's not, that's not an offensive word because

Australians say it all the time. You're good. You're good. That's it. All right, Pete, do you go? Okay. My hot seat is high school girls in Washington, D.C. Oh, very relatable. Yes, because going home this weekend. Very relatable to our audience. That was good, Hank. You know, the real answer is because the Redskins signed Mark Sanchez to be their backup quarterback. So, you know, Mark likes to, he likes to push the limit sometimes. So yeah, Sanchez is back. How long has been since he's played like 2016? No, he's on the Bears. But he hasn't played. Oh, played play. No, no, it's been a while. Didn't he, did he get popped for PEDs or am I making that up? I think you might be making up. You just go all in on just ruining Mark

Sanchez's name. No, I think he did get popped for PEDs. He might have, which has been, yeah, very strange PEDs for Mark Sanchez to be taking. But yeah, so he's the backup in D.C. But I think Stay Woke, they brought him in because he's very familiar with Jason Garrett's playbook. People forget he was the guy that... He got popped? Four games. There we go. Did they say what it was for? This article says, Mark Sanchez has suspended four games for taking the most ineffective steroids of all time. That's so perfect. That's such a fucking burn. But yeah, people forget, Dak Prescott credits Mark Sanchez with his development as a quarterback

his rookie year, not Tony Romo. So I think they just brought him in to get an insight into the mind of Dak Prescott, who's just probably, anyways, just thinking like, Dan and yogurt, Dan and yogurt, Dan and yogurt. Don't throw it to the Redskins. The color gray. Throw it in the ground. I hate these guys. Running the ball. Why am I named after a porn star? Yeah. That's what goes on his head. But yeah, so Mark Sanchez is there. My cool throne is the process. Because the 76ers just got better. Yeah. Because Mark Elfolt says that he's not going to shoot anymore and not play any games. His lawyer.

We're getting the lawyers involved. The lawyers are involved. That's bad. That's how you know the process is working when we get judges and arbitrators and courtrooms involved. So his lawyers are saying that they're not going to have him play or practice anymore until his preferred specialist checks out his shoulder. Do you have a shoulder in your brain? Because that's the one they should be looking at. It's tough. This is reminiscent of like the Derrick Rose stuff, where it's like, is the guy injured or is it just a complete mental thing? And it's, I mean, there hasn't been a number one pick that has been this bad. Kwame.

So quickly. No, but so quickly. Like it was, it's, he's never been good. Yeah. Speaking of 17 year olds in DC, Kwame Brown, that's a low blow. He peaked. Markel Foltz peaked when he was on this show. Yeah, that's true. The week of his draft. So that was, I actually have a PR 101 for Markel Foltz. I just thought of this. So have you guys ever heard of ayahuasca? Okay, let me take you to school real quick. It's a root that grows in the Amazon jungle, right? And you can make a tea out of it. And it's like a powerful hallucinogen. Sounds like weed.

Well, no, it's root and you make, it's a, it's like, it's hard. Sounds like mushrooms. You make a tea. Yeah. It's a lot like mushrooms, like crazy mushrooms. And what people do who are addicted to heroin or crack or they have severe like mental problems and dependencies, they go down to these ayahuasca lodges in the Amazon. They drink the tea and basically they puke for two days and hallucinate nonstop for like pledging a frat for like 48 hours. Yeah. It's hell week. So they're going down there and they earn their letters and their letters are, they're totally sober and that part of their mind is totally cleared out now.

So like people will swear that drinking this tea and, and puking in a shack for 48 hours, it'll clear you up. There are documentaries about it. That could actually probably help Markel Foltz because it's all in his mind. Yeah. I mean, I guess. Why not? What else? I mean, do you have another suggestion for him? No. Because his brain is broken. Just follow the vice article that PFT read. Yeah. On whatever this weird thing is. There's a documentary on Netflix buddy. Viceland. Sorry. Yeah. I mean, I know, I agree. I was just, why not? There's nothing that he can do at this point that's like would, would hurt him further. I don't think. No, right? I mean,

have you seen him? His shot looks like mine. Right. Right. Right. Your shot's okay, man. Well, it's kind of better. Don't beat yourself up. I know you're upset about the Matt Flynn thing, but don't beat yourself up anymore. Well, I was, I was kind of right because like snow is not night. No, listen, because when you're up, listen to me, up in Wisconsin in the wintertime, it gets dark really early because it's further north. Yeah. So it looks like it's nighttime. So technically it's the game was at 12. It's like the midnight sun, but like, yeah, if you go up to Oslo, Norway or Oslo in Sweden or Norway or wherever it is at 12 o'clock, it's starting. It's Sunday night football. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. My hot seats are is all other football

coaches because this is the year of Mike Leach. He's basically taken over and they're proven by this story, the pack 12 media day, the, uh, the, you know, the apple cups this weekend, Washington versus Washington state. And someone asked Chris Peterson. When was the last time he saw Mike Leach? He said, the last time I saw him, I didn't really get a great chance to talk to him because he was half hour late to our pack 12 head coaches meeting. And we were all looking at our watches thinking this might not turn out good for him. He walks in with this in and out burger and milkshake and we're all like, really? And waiting for someone to say something. He's just happy as a clam eating away. And we're like, why didn't we do that? That's really the last time I saw him.

So basically Mike Leach is living his best life at all times and no one can stop him. And I love every second of it. I love it so much. I now am rooting for Washington state to get into the playoff just to piss off. Cause think about it. If Washington state gets in the playoff, well, I guess no, let's say Notre Dame loses. Okay. And Washington state gets in there. Thinking about Washington state, the press conferences that Mike Leach does with either Saban or Harbaugh or Dabo, like he's going to make them so angry because they're all serious. They're all straight lace like football guys, you know, we're here to do it. And he's, he's just hanging out like, Oh yeah, we're here like whatever we're going to eat our in and out. We're going to just

chill. Yeah. I'm rooting for it too. Yeah. Mike Leach is one of my favorite guys. Why would, why would anybody on the pack 12 coaches committee expect him to show up on time? I figure you got to assume that Mike Leach just doesn't show up to these things in general. Yeah. He's got better stuff. 30 minutes late is actually on time. Yeah. That's very, yeah. He's got the reverse of, of Coughlin time, which is you show up when you damn well please and let other people sort it out. You show up when you're in and out burgers ready. Yeah. That's pretty much it. You can't rush perfection. No, you cannot. My cool throne is everyone who wants to just eat and get fat for the next month. We talked about it this month. You basically can just wear a sweatshirt for an

entire month straight, eat anything you want to eat and just tell yourself that you're going to fix it January 1st. Yeah. That's, that's Jim. Here's the core. Uh-huh. But this is like the home, like, cause you know, even in October, you can't fully buy into the, well, I'll start my a diet January 1st cause it's a little bit too far away. We're now in that zone where it's like, no, January 1st is right around the corner. So you really can let yourself go. Yeah. I'm going to try to gain 15 pounds the next month. You want to have a contest? Sure. You want to see you can get fattest? I mean, I'm pretty, I got a pretty good head start. Well, we got, no, I'm not talking about like just how much more we gain right now. That would be like me trying to play against the

entire Alabama football team. Thanks for saying I'm dominant in the dynasty. Appreciate that. Well, yeah. And you also cheat. Um, so when I'm getting a couple of cars here, a couple of cars there, Dodge Charger, we could do, we could do a percentage weight gain challenge. I don't actually want to do this. I'm just going to do it because if I do it, then I got to like try. I just want to, I want to convince myself that I'm not really trying, but just still can kind of eat like shit. Well, why don't we just not really try, but we just see who wins. So let's just eat. Let's just get fat. Let's just take a before and after and see how bad it gets. All right. That sounds good. Um, all right. Hank, you in? Yeah, you're going to get fat with us. No, you're

not. You don't eat candy anymore. True. My tooth. My tooth, my tooth, guys. I want that candy. My will pinky is going to be gone in February. My will pinky is going to be gone in February. And I'm very scared, but I won't say anything. Yeah. My tooth. The saw was is not very good. Quarterback. I swear. My pinkie's staying right on the finger. It's actually my left pinky. My pinkie's not going anywhere. You've already decided. Oh yeah. Duh. Yeah. By the way, just to revisit the smart move, you don't go, you don't go right. Yeah. Remember when we talked to your butthole pinky. Yeah. Right. We talked about, uh, no, it's by looking at my scratching right now. Get my last good scratching. I talked about the bears, Texans being in Super Bowl. It

would actually be way worse for those Packers, Texans. Yeah. Like what? I mean, no, because no, if the bears play the Texans, the Texans win. I'll be, I'll be devastated regardless. So that's why that's what I was saying. But if it's Packers, Texans, but if the Texans beat the Packers, you're a little bit happy because when I cut off my pinky, but you'd be kind of happy because the Packers, yeah, I would be rooting for my pinky to come off. I think the worst case scenario for you would be like against some nobody team they don't care about. Right. Like cowboys. Yeah. Maybe I would be able to get like a story written about me and Jerry Jones would let me in his booth. We'd glory hole it one last time. He'd just, he'd freeze your pinky and then turn it into

an ice cube and serve Johnny Walker on it. What if we did that? I put, I put my pinky in Jerry Jones glory hole and that's how he chopped it off with his mouth. Yes. He bit it off. Uh, all right, let's do our interview with, uh, Biz Nasty, our good friend before we get to that, a couple before we get to that, a couple of quick ads. Eagle energy. You got to try it guys. Eagle energy is a caffeine, vape pen, all natural caffeine. Our competitors use synthetic caffeine. We actually got a bunch sent to us, gives you a nice little kick. It's the all natural plant-based flavor, no sugar or calories gets into your system immediately as opposed to coffee and energy, energy drinks that take 30 minutes, gives you that energy boost and you can improve cognitive

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got to download it right now. He is the second most attractive guy on the show. Biss, thank you for calling in. I want to start with the NFL game actually on Monday night football. Do you now like football more than hockey? Cause you said this is the greatest game ever. No. As far as television, 100% NFL is my favorite sport to watch. As far as live, nothing even comes close to hockey. So I just want to kind of clarify that. And also I kind of have a bit of a complaint. I was put on hold before. I have a complaint about you. So why don't I say my complaint about you first. Don't complain. Cuck me on my own show. The complaint after. Okay. My complaint about you is that you didn't tell us which one of the nine products we were

supposed to be plugging you for that you advertised before you came on. So which ones, which ones are we talking about here? You know, that's funny. That's funny you say that. Taylor Hall was on recently and he called me a used car salesman. No, it's cool. I've been contemplating whether I'm going to tweet out his number or not for saying that. But back to my complaint. I was left on hold for about a minute and a half without any type of music. It was just straight nothing. Yeah, you don't strike me as a guy that does well with alone with his thoughts. Just unacceptable. So biz we wanted to get you on want to talk a little hockey. Also, like I said, wanted to talk a little NFL. I actually want to add another NFL

question for you. You just did a recently in the last month or so a big video series with Jalen Ramsey. Am I right? Yeah, he's awesome. Okay, so you spent some time with him. You showed him the game of hockey. Is his claim still off base that he could play hockey if he wanted to? I would think that if he had six months of elite training as far as becoming a hockey player, I think that he could maybe make the ECHL, which is not like we have NHL than the AHL. And then there's ECHL is like the third level. I think that he could maybe make that just based off his athleticism. Like that would be at the most. Okay. Are you being serious now or not? Are you joking? No, I'm saying that like, I mean, the guy's like, I mean, he's a freak physically just like, I mean,

but he already has that right. So if he can learn how to skate, like you never know. I mean, I would assume that he based on athleticism, he could learn like the physical aspects of it. Of course, mentally, he wouldn't understand the game much. But let's bump that down even more. Maybe the SPHL, which is the fourth league. And at that point, it's, you know, you're making 250 bucks a week. I don't even know how guys do it and provide for their families. But aside from his actual skill, a great guy, family man, really religious, great guy. I believe he just had a baby girl, his girlfriend came to the game with him, just a family guy. And you know, he goes, I just like stir in the pot. I said, you don't mind the negative comment. And he's like, nah, that's all

good. And so he was cool. That's interesting. You say that he could actually do that because like, okay, yeah, 250 bucks a week, you know, that's not a lot of money at all. But to say that an NFL player that's never skated before has enough athleticism, where he could get paid to play hockey, that's, I actually did not expect that coming from you. I got to give you credit. I thought that you would, you would go out of your way to say, no, this, this guy, this holzer can't strap onto skates and get out there with us real hockey guys. But I give you credit, man. I that that's pretty cool. And it's amazing that you do like a hater though. So I'm giving him benefit of the doubt. And once again, he plays, if you play in the NFL, you're your top athlete in the world, like that's,

I mean, maybe, maybe a high end soccer player would be there. But I don't, I'll give him benefit of the doubt. He had a pretty decent shot too. And that was after me teaching him how to shoot. So what about, what about you? You mentioned the, he likes to stir the pot. And we obviously all know that he talks a lot of trash and he calls people out. Do you think that there could ever be a guy in the NHL who would be able to do that? Or is that just the locker room kind of checks itself? Yeah. Have you never heard of Brad Marshall? No, but he doesn't, he's an agitator on the ice. I'm talking about off the ice, like doing off season interviews and basically saying, yeah, Sidney Crosby, he stinks, you know, and like going down the list and just listing all

these guys like he did. He basically said everyone in the NFL sucks in the off season. Yeah, I'll definitely say this. Yeah, they have a different motor as far as the interview antics. Although Brad Marshall, he'll go at fans online and stuff and he drops, even media sometimes. So yeah, I would definitely put Dylan in a different class as far as calling out other guys around the NFL. But, but it's, it's all in a little bit of fun. I know he's gotten a few heated ones with the media regarding chirping other guys, but he was telling me that like, like Antonio Brown is one of the best chirpers and he, but nobody really knows because he's very subtle about it. He doesn't really like, like, he doesn't flail his arms and stuff. He's

more just like under his breath type. He likes that Hopkins guy from, from Texans. I'm not a huge football guy, but I am obsessed with these, these like, these high end NFL guys and how they go at it. Yeah. And stuff. Yeah. All right. So you know anything on that, that Tyree kill or whatever? Do you guys know anything about him? Not a great guy, but really, really fast, really fast. He likes to give the peace sign before he scores. Yeah. If you google him, you'll figure it out. Okay. Yes. I don't know much about these guys, but anyway, let's just say, let's just say maybe don't buy it. Like you can be like, Hey, he's fast. He's, he's obviously unbelievable to watch. I wouldn't buy a Tyree killed Jersey. Okay. I know you probably,

you talked about, I know you talked about it on spit and chicklets and I know it was, you talked about in other places too, but obviously the Ottawa senators, that whole Uber situation became national news. Is that good or bad for hockey? When a story like that breaks through to like the mainstream media, obviously those guys, you know, the Uber driver tapes them bashing their coach, but can you put like a good spin on it and be like, Hey, look, people are talking about hockey and this is kind of breaking through to the mainstream media. Yeah. I mean, for, for hockey, it was a big deal. It's, it's weird because you can see the, the NBA and, and guys are like saying away worth right to their coach's faces with that,

that butler situation, which was absolutely banana land by the way. Um, and then, and then, of course, Whitney goes on his rant for hockey. That was pretty significant. And of course, it was, it was kind of a funny story with, you know, with the whole Uber ride and people were making memes and jokes about it. Yeah. It gives our, it gives our game a little bit of a stain, but I mean, if that's the worst that's happening, I don't think that's a big deal. I mean, you, I mean, you, you've played sports, right guys. I mean, you probably haven't had the best thing to say about your coaches. Well, and you, you bring up a good point. I mean, the probably the number one thing people love, like the casual fans love about the NBA is that guys

go after each other on Twitter and there's all these, like, you know, I followed him, he unfollowed him. So it's almost like, like, I think, I think the shock value of it was the fact that it doesn't feel like hockey has a lot of that. Maybe guys are a little bit more nice to each other's faces, but to think that this doesn't go on in every locker room in America, like, you know, if you, if you think your coach isn't great, if your coach doesn't think you're great, he's probably bashing you to the front office. So it always goes around. I think it was just the fact that it was such like a, it was almost a voyeuristic, you know, feel to it that you're watching in on them. Well, no, absolutely. And I mean, I would say hockey is probably about 10

to 15 years behind the NBA. I don't think it'll ever be where the NBA is. Players in hockey are starting to show their personality a little bit more. They're getting more involved in social media, more into the fashion where they get the pictures taken in on the way to the rink. The NBA is like, I find the office or the off court stuff more entertaining than the actual product itself. And that's why I think that it's, it's such a, a weaker league as far as what their revenue is, is because people are just obsessed with the drama. It's like an episode of wags, but you don't even need the wives of girlfriend players. Yeah. What about the other scandal that's rocking hockey right now? And that's the players playing too much Fortnite in the minor

leagues. Well, that's happening in the NHL too. They actually banned it. That one team banned it on the road because these guys are bringing their like systems on the on the road, man. Things have changed, man. I used to chase pussy. These kids are now chasing coins and whether the fuck you win for winning those stupid games. Yes. Do you think you stopped chasing pussy? Yeah. You put that behind you. No, you hung up the, hung up the cleats, right? Yeah, I just, I don't have the energy anymore. I mean, that's why I don't have sex. Well, that, and I'm trying to, you know, make money for the bar stool with our podcast. I'm working like a dog here. That's true. So I actually read a story not too long ago about the famous

Roxy in Vancouver and how the home home ice advantage that they used to get from players going and getting banged up before is kind of gone, gone away and social media has taken away guys going out and drinking and partying before a game. Do you think that's true in the NHL? In today's NHL, guys aren't drinking like they used to. Okay. Well, that's, okay. You mentioned the Roxy. So I'll bring this three different ways. The Roxy in Vancouver was like multiply the night before in Vegas by about three. Cause if you walk into the Roxy as a hockey player, it didn't matter what night of the week it was, you were, you were, you were pulling, you were pulling a woman out of there. I've literally walked into the Roxy before and

and you guys have seen me in person. Like I'm not attractive. I'm not even a good player, but I bet you my record is probably eight minutes in and out. And, and we're talking about like maybe go back, get one and then, and then go back for another. Like it was the shortest board for the players. So yeah. So it was, it was iconic. Of course with cell phones and all that other stuff. Guys are not going so much for girls who are hockey fans are going anymore because it'll end up online. There was actually a situation with the Chicago Blackhawks not too long ago. We don't need to go into that one. But yeah, just, I mean, the league's so much more competitive now. Guys aren't boozing like they used to. There's so much

money to be made. And, and, and the, I guess the shelf life because it's gotten so competitive isn't very long. Like once guys hit 30, they start tailing off. There's not as much drinking. Yeah. The Roxy flu. That was the matter. That was the article I read. Such a great thing. And what is it so much of flu as it was a dick cold? Is, is Roxy, is that just a bar or is it like a strip club? No, it's a bar. No, it's a bar, but you know what actually else they have in town in Vancouver is number five orange, which is an awesome cool strip club. And it was actually where they filmed Deadpool. They had, they had the scene where they're at the bar. It's in there and

it's a, it's a cool spot too. So there's a few places to get lost in Vancouver, but the, the new spot is, is Pierre's and, uh, oh God, what's the other banter room? And the women in Vancouver are absolutely gorgeous. And then you would litter across the street from each other. So you go to banter room till about 1231. And then you go across the street to Pierre's. And once again, if you're a hockey player and you can't pull, you might as well chop your dick off and hand it in. All right. I want to talk a little bit on ice stuff with you real quick. When does the regular season start? Fuck off. You're the work. It starts when Wilson comes off suspension. Oh, well, guess what? That happened negative

15 days ago or 15 games ago, right? He has suspension cut in half. What happens with that? So like he's got all this, does he have like a time served? So the next, you know, 20 penalties that he gets, he doesn't have to actually go into the box. How does that work? Yeah. So it's a bit of a flawed system where the appeal process and then if you appeal it again to a neutral arbitrator takes far too long. There was actually a situation a few years ago when a guy like punched a referee and they couldn't decide whether it was because he'd been concussed on the hit that happened right before it. So he actually got 20 games and then they ended up producing it to 10, but he'd already served like 19 or 20 games. But what they did is they

repaid him the money that he would have lost. And that's what happened with Wilson. Unfortunately, you lost those 10 games. And then Wilson in this case lost too. Oh, yeah, it's unfortunate, but whatever, man. The guy signed a huge ticket and he gets a little bit of money back and gets it gets a few nights off free free getting paid paid for for no work. So the arbiter in that situation was the same guy that got Ryan Braun suspension reduced to right? Is that just that guy's job is to just go around just reducing suspensions? Well, I don't know. He's a neutral arbitrator. I mean, I fucking I'm not that's as much as capacity as my brain can take. That's a big enough word as it is. So if you want to dive into it a

bit more on your end, feel free. That just sounds like a cool job. Can we just talk about pussy or or serious talk for this kidding? What's what's the big story though? Like so far in the in the NHL season. I mean, it has started amazingly. So what's the big story? Give us the big take. I mean, the penguins suck. Obviously, the Blackhawks fired Joe Quinn, Volkastan Bowman is is is a coward. What else? The Blues just fired their coach. The Leafs. The Leafs are really good. The Leafs are good. Give us give us some. If you guys would have done your homework, you would have known that four NHL coaches have been fired in the first 20 games of their season. Whoa. Yeah. So in the face, including the Blackhawks coach, which I thought was bullshit.

Yep. We don't we don't need to dive into that. I'd say the overall story and I know I don't think a ton of your fans are necessarily hockey fans. That's not true of the NHL. Whoa, that's not true. I would say you have more football and football fans than anything, but nonetheless, okay, I'll retract my statement. Thank you. The parody of the NHL and how things could change from year to year based on the way they've worked up the CBA with with salary talent, just everything. It makes it so fun for for for everyone because look at the Buffalo Sabres. They've been they've been bad for a significant amount of time. Well, now they're they're able to become good again over the off season. They made a couple really good moves

and things are constantly shaken up because of those rules that are in place. So I don't know, to me, the parody is what what strengthens the strengthens the NHL over all the other major sports. Well, and I think the quality of play is just getting better and better and that's my opinion on it. Well, so is it parody? Is it is a true parody in that like teams are playing well and you have this like rotating kind of because I think there's not not all parody is created equal if I could like make that argument because I think sometimes the NFL there'll be a shitty season and they'll be like all the parody but it's like no actually just every team kind of fucking sucks. So is it that or is it true parody? Like there are some really good teams

that are emerging here. Yeah, well, and like, for instance, some teams have put themselves in financial trouble or at the fact when a team like let's say Chicago has so much success over that small course of time. Well, no, that wasn't a stab either. I mean, I mean, it was more than it was more than a few years of there. It was barely a dinosaur. Right. Okay, so here's where I'm going to get credit to Chicago and how long they stayed extremely relevant is the fact that over the course of those family cops, they had to shake things up because they couldn't afford certain players like they couldn't afford to pay all of them because of the success that all of them brought to the team. So in the in the in the NHL when it happens,

they're forced to make moves or not sign guys or trade guys. We're going to be on big deals. That way other teams can scoop up other big players because of the salary cap. Long story short, it's there's like 10 to 12 teams. So you could say that team can win. So it's anyone's gaming in NHL in the NBA. It's just like, Hey, who's going to play the Warriors? It would probably be Boston is the heavy favorite in the East. Am I wrong? Oh, the round out playing well. Yeah, Philly. The bucks look good. But I mean, I get what you're saying. Also, Patrick Kane turning 30 the other day was such a mind fucked that the fact that he's 30 years old, like I've always, you know, you just kind of like, Oh, he's always the young guy, you know, like the electric American

playing hockey. And then he turns 30 and you're like, fuck, where did that time go? Yeah. And I don't think there's any, I don't know if this happens in basketball, but just hockey is such a grind and physically and mentally. I mean, not saying even in the NBA, but I mean, I would say guys break down a lot faster in the NHL. Luckily for you, Kane's one of those guys, you know, he's just so dynamic in his style of play. He'll probably be relevant for at least another six years. Right. And also he's not like a point again. Right. And he's not a big guy. I think obviously when you're a big guy, it can break down a lot faster. You know, the old like course, yeah. Of course. Um, Biz, I also wanted to talk to you about something Thanksgiving is coming up.

This is our Thanksgiving special or extra long episode. What do you do? Really? Yeah, as a Canadian, what do you do for Thanksgiving? I mean, you, you're not allowed to celebrate it. Yeah, I just, you know, everything's closed. So I just kind of kind of set it all in the twiddle my thumbs. A lot of people are engaging online that day. Legally, we're not allowed to celebrate it because I'm on a P1 visa. Yeah, that's the US resident, but that's just not good enough. Yeah, you can actually watch the Thanksgiving NFL games. No, you can't watch the parade either. I know your big parade guy can't tune into that. Well, you know, I do a lot of face timing with my Canadian friends, but unfortunately it's just a regular day there too. So it's hard

to get a hold of them during the work hours. What's, uh, what's boxing day? What does that mean? Boxing day is, is kind of like your black Friday. Lots of sales happening. Okay. Not as many fights though. It's like, that's called boxing. Well, yeah, I mean, it's Canada. Right. But you'd think because of the name, there's more fights. The black Friday, I mean, God, I, to me, that's, that's my Christmas morning. I can't wait to see these videos on bar stills, Instagram, with people peeing off on each other's faces over a goddamn tick on the elbow. You know, it's fucking nuts. It's usually over like a DVD player, like a portable DVD player, something that nobody even needs in here. I would say flat screen TVs

take the cake. Yeah. Yeah. That's true. That are like all, you know, like $225 for 75 inch flat screen TV. And there's like, just going crazy on each other. There's like one in the entire store. Yeah. And people line up for 12 hours to do it. Yeah. Um, Hey, it's almost like a zinstic man set it up where he's like, we're going to do one flat screen TV at 250 fucking as soon as they come in, bring the cage down. And it's every man for themselves. Get the fucking barbed wire out. Get the, you know, get the tax, get the, get the ladder. Yep. I like that. I like that a lot. How much wrestling do you know? Actually, a couple of my buddies on the coyotes when I played Jason LaBarbara and Keith Nandle were huge wrestling fans and they would, they, they were so hard

core. They would watch the DVDs of all the old matches. It's like, Hey, listen, I, I love, I love wrestling. I think it's kind of funny. The old school wrestling's the best, but like, I already know, I already know what happened. Like, I don't want to watch it again. Yeah. Now it's like, it loses the reality for you after you watch it a second time. Yeah. It's not real anymore. Yeah. So wait, we know the Undertaker's going to win. Yeah. Well, except for the one time that Hank and Big Cat are there. So Canada has their own Thanksgiving, right? You guys celebrated in like July or some stupid shit like that? No, come on. October. Oh, okay. So you're stolen valley. You're stolen valor Thanksgiving,

just like you tried to undercut us with it and put it right in front of us. What do you eat on your Thanksgiving? The same type of stuff. What's your favorite? What is your favorite food on Thanksgiving? And also is the Canadian Thanksgiving problematic, like the American one? What do you mean problematic? I mean, like the whole, you know, like the, we ended up just stealing all our food and then we stole the land and now we can't really sell all that stuff. It's like basically Howard's Inn. Have you ever read Howard's Inn? People's history? No chance. Yeah. It's all the same stuff, but I just kind of like the turkey, the stuffing, the gravy, and the potatoes. Wow. I don't mean potatoes. Wow. Hot take there. Don't go out on a limb.

You know what? I'm pretty healthy guys. I don't eat as much as I used to now that I play. I had something I want to complain about and that you guys are familiar with. Yep. Like I give everyone in media benefit a doubt. I like quirky personalities. Oh yeah, I know it's cool. Darren Revelle. I had to unfollow Darren Revelle, man. Every fucking time a rookie quarterback plays a vet, he fucking puts up their rookie salary and then what's that making and I'm like fuck off Darren seriously. No, he really loves his favorite is when a team takes a lead in like week one of college football. He loves to tweet out how much that team paid the FCS team to come play. It's just like it's fuck off Darren. Come on. Yeah, you're heated. I want to

like them. Yeah, you were heated the other night. We were leaving. I left the, you know, we tape late on Sunday nights, a little work ethic. You probably don't know about that. You only do two times a week for spit and chicklets, but we were, we were leaving like two a, I left, we left the office at 2am and you texted me how much you hated Revelle and it was like, man, you were hot. I just like, I hit boiling point. I was having a bad day too. Like as far as my crumpiness and I'm like this, I had enough. I had to unfollow and I've tried to give them benefit of the doubt because I love the nerdy guys. Yep. Cause I, you know, they're just quirky. They bring a lot, but it's always with those types of tweets and then, and then people are just like, dude,

shut the fuck up. And finally I joined the, the shut the fuck up crowd and unfollow them. Yeah. I mean, I'm a little obsessed with the guy. It's getting a little weird. Who else is, what else is bothering you? It is strange though, how like we become obsessed with the things that we hate that make us the angriest. Correct. Correct. I think I'm going to follow him after this interview. I'm going to give him a second chance. Yeah, do it. Do it. Give it. Just remember he's a nerd and he's harmless. Here's what you do. You just buzz his tower. You follow him, then unfollow him. And then like five minutes later, you re-follow him, unfollow him. Just, just buzz his tower. Let him know that you're watching him. Maybe he'll keep

in line. Sure. Also, he's just, just a heads up, Ben. He's more of an athlete than you. He ran the marathon. Oh, I don't, I don't deny that. I just, I just, I just got a little sick of the tweets and stuff. Um, speaking of, speaking of people, I'm not a big fan of, uh, this might be an unpopular opinion. Okay. So I'm not a big judge, Judy fan. Okay. This has been brutal in a while. This has been brutal because she's just very rude to people. Like, no, shut up. And I don't, I'm not down with that. So some of my teammates knew that. And when I was playing in the American, uh, when I, when I made that comment, because she was on the peak in the locker room, our captain was like, Oh dude, go ask David, uh,

uh, get showing back when in our team, whose brother-in-law is a John the quick, actually, and he had a run in with judge Judy. So he was, he went to a restaurant to get a takeout order for a big party they were having at home and he had his hat on and he just went in and was like, Hey, I'm here to pick up that order. They're like, Oh, it's almost ready. And judge Judy was coming into the restaurant and they were going to go there with her family. She was going to go eat and she grabbed my friend's hat and picked your hat off in a restaurant and walked away. And, and, and I, and I, and I was human when he told me this, my blood was boiling. I said, What did you do? And he goes, nothing. I just like truck it. And I, and then I went AWOL.

That would have been my one. She would have done that to me. I would feed on her father. That's one of her business that that guy had his hat on going there and he wasn't, and he wasn't there to eat. She should have just mined her in business because it was a scoop and go. Yeah, it's a scoop and go. Yeah. If there's a scoop and go, it, you know, like all it's fair and scoop and go, that's what they say. Maybe was it a guy Jewish? Was he ripping off his yarmulke? That'd be messed up. No, no, no, that would have been, that would have been it. All tall. That would have hunkered her down. Yeah. No, but I'm saying is like, one, is it none of her business? If he was sitting down at the restaurant eating,

huh? Maybe she's old enough where they can get away with that stuff, but you just got to bite you, Tom. But if that was me, I would, I would have, I would have, I would have, I would have, I would have given the finger wave and I would have went back at her. Yeah. And I would have, like, hey, it's a scoop and go. There would have been a verbal arc altercation and I would have called her out and that would have been my one chance and I was upset that my friend showing back and didn't take it. Well, I mean, if you're in a nice restaurant like a Tim Hortons, I feel like you have to observe some sense of decor. So I'm kind of on Judge Judy's side. I, I'm sorry, whatever. I think you're just saying that to be confidential.

So you probably would get along with Judge Judy. Well, listen, if, if, if somebody's in front of me in line and they're, they're taking all the 10 bits and they're wearing a hat, I'm going to say something. Are you guys going to bring those Canadian guys back? What were their names? Yeah, Todd and Gordo. What do you mean, what are their names? They're like your role models. Yeah, I know. That was really good, man. I think you guys should bring those back. Maybe a little a cameo in BizDoesOntario this summer. What's this Ontario stuff that you're up to? What goes down in BizDoesOntario? I would like to try to scale up and maybe use less drone footage and do similar to the BizDoes BC series and then do Ontario and then get maybe more NHLers and make

it more of a professional production. The first one, it was like the first thing I'd ever done and we had like no budget and, you know, it, it, it was nothing earth-shattering. It was just fun because we had other NHL guys acting and we're not actors and it was, I guess, funny and fun in some aspects, but I would like to scale it up a bit and to get cameo from you guys, we'll put it over the top. Well, mark us down because I agree. I mean, I watched the first one. It was, you know, it was like a freshman year film, film students video. Yeah, I'll take that. Oh, shit. All right. Well, it's hard. It's hard to rattle you. That's so polite. That is a comment. All right. My last... No, I'm self-aware. No, I thought it was great. I thought it was great.

The main source to account to be tweeting it, a lot of people were like, what the fuck is this shit? Get this off this page. Well, and that one hurt. That stung a little bit, but, you know, we move on. Yeah. No, I mean, those people aren't watching it and they, you know, they don't realize how good it was. All right. My last question. It's a Seeky question. Put in promo code, take, you get $10 off your Seeky purchase. Want to go to a hockey game? The NHL season has started. It kicked off last night. Go to promo, go to Seeky promo code, take, you get $10 off. Biz, because it's Thanksgiving, let's finish with this on a positive note. Give us something you're thankful for. Damn. I thought you were going to say us. Fuck. No. Well, you're part of it. I'm very

thankful that I joined Bloor School in regards to not only the series, but the podcast because it's hard being a media within an NHL team, Humble Greg, in a sense where I have to be filtered and be professional, where I'm really roughed around the edges. I like swearing a lot. I like talking to them, you know, times that, you know, weren't so professional. And that's the podcast friendship that has really given me that outlook and are that outlet service. And I'm able to get stories out of other guys that the NHL fans have either never heard or have maybe called it Linda, but want to hear them firsthand from these guys. And I mean, you guys do it all the time with the football guys and MLB and basically all sports. It was kind of nice to find that little groove

and in the hockey world. And there's been a lot of positive response to it. So I'm grateful for that. Yeah. I mean, I agree. Spit and Chip is fantastic. You guys do an awesome job. When are you going to move to New York and just work for us full time? You have points in the company and you're hoping to keep scaling up. No, no, I love, I think you're going to, I think we're at, I think we're at and Whitney are really funny. No, I appreciate that. And boys, you guys are the old G's in that department and it's kind of fun. You know, we get to listen to you guys and learn some shit. And it was maybe you guys are both on spit and chip at some, at some point. All right, Bizz. Thanks so much, man. Appreciate it as always. Have a happy Thanksgiving that you're not allowed to celebrate

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is Cleveland Cavaliers announced today that JR Smith will no longer be with team as the organization works with JR. Jesus Christ, Hank, we're taping a podcast here. I can't control my listening. Yeah, but you can, I mean, that was, it sounded like outrageously loud. It sounded like you were being stabbed by an air horn. You know, most good co-hosts would say bless you. Uh, but I'll just bless myself. Bless, bless you, Hank. Thank you. Well, that's very conceited of you to think that you're saying you're God. No, you're saying you're a co-host. No, I'm saying you guys should be blessing me. Why? We're not co-hosts. Most, most good host. Hank, as your host, as your superior, he's my co-host. No, you're the producer.

You're the producer. You're the producer. You two are co-hosts of the show, correct? No, but not to you. We're co-hosts. Like, a person who listens to the show wouldn't be like, you're my co-host. You guys are co-hosts. They would call you co-host. Don't call me if you don't know. If I was writing an article about what just happened, they would say a good co-host would bless their producer. No, they would say part of my take is really gone to shit because their producer keeps sneezing and screaming into the microphone. I mean, what do you want me to do? Not sneeze? I can't, I would die. You want me to die? You would die? Yeah. You would, all right, next time you have to sneeze, hold it in,

let's see if you die. All right. Okay. Do you want to apologize to us? Do you want to bless me? No, I don't, I don't pretend that I'm God and I'll bless you. Not right now. I will eventually. Okay. Yeah. All right, let's move on. J.R. Smith, whatever. Trouble in Paradise, Washington Wizards. Who cares? Who cares? J.R. Smith, who cares? Stanley, who cares? Washington Wizards are a dumpster fire, which is basically the most, like we could have written, we wrote down three storylines for the NBA season, 2018, 2019. Washington Wizards in fighting and everyone hating each other would be at the top of the list. What wouldn't, what comes as a surprise, Dwight Howard has nothing to do with this. That's what I was going

to say. The fact that Dwight Howard hasn't really been playing that much. Yeah. Like I would expect that his role on the court would contribute just as much as him sitting out. Nope. They should be thankful that Dwight Howard has like, what is it, like a bruised butt? Yeah. Is that what he's saying? He's got a butt, he's got a butt problem. He's got a butt infection. It says like gluteus, gluteus, gluteus infection. Yeah. Something like that. Gluteus soreness. That's what, that's what he's out for. Yeah. He's, he's going to take the court looking like him Kardashian. But it's crazy because it's essentially Scott Brooks, John Wall, John Wall hates Scott Brooks, told him, fuck off. That's fair. Scott Brooks should have been fired a while ago. They also have

the, I think John Wall and Bradley Beal hate each other because out of Porter stinks and the whole team just hates each other. And this is like the, like what's the old saying? The enemy of my enemy is my friend. It turns out that they're all friend. They all should be friends because they all hate everybody. No, the definition of insanity is, is doing the same thing over and over, expecting a different result. That's not actually the definition of insanity, but yeah, that's the way. Yeah. That's the saying. And that's what the Washington wizards are. Like you knew that everyone hated each other. You'd have been doing this every single year. Why wouldn't you trade someone because, I mean they tried and it still hasn't worked. Just blow the whole thing up. I think because last... Breaking

Oh, breaking news. Oh, shit. Russell Westbrook just started falling in Bradley Beale. Oh, here we go. Petty Wars. Here we go. We created Petty Wars. Yeah, I'm shocked that it took this long to blow up.

I mean, I do think that there was, they were just hoping that people would stop interacting with their teammates outside of work environments and just like show up and just practice and then don't discuss, don't talk about anything after you go home. But these guys can't resist it. They love, they start out every year being like, this year is going to be different. We're hanging out with each other. We're forming bonds as teammates. But then they realize after like a month, oh, turns out I hate this guy.

They also, the Wizards are like at the top of the list of bad body language teams. Every time, if a team goes on a 10-0 run on the Wizards, it's like instant that John Wall looks like he wants to be anywhere but put on a basketball court, Bradley Beale punches his shoulders. They fight on the sideline, Otto Porter looks like he doesn't know how to play bad. The whole thing just unravels so fast for them. It's crazy. You know what?

I think it's actually a problem that Dwight Howard hasn't been playing. So at least when Dwight Howard's playing, everybody else has a common enemy that they're like, who the fuck is this guy? I hate this guy. The fact that he's not playing means that they just all hate each other. It's like they got rid of Javale and now they don't have somebody to point at and be like, that guy's the reason why we play like a clown car. The Dwight Howard though, I guarantee you at some point in the next, if it hasn't already

happened in the next like three weeks, he's going to stand up in the locker room and be like, guys, let's just get together and get along and everyone's going to laugh in his face and that might save the Washington Wizard season. Yeah. Dwight Howard's going to call his own players only meeting and no one's going to show up to like that six-year-old's birthday party. He's going to have like a hummus platter and everything. In Arizona, he's going to take a selfie of how nobody showed up to his players only meeting

and then he'll get to go fund me and make some money, hopefully. Okay. We have, before we get to our Thanksgiving, what are we calling this? Thanksgiving. Thanksgiving. Before we get to Thanksgiving, we have a little Tiger and Phil talk. Good. Nice.

That's good. Bless you. Bless your heart and your mind. We have Tiger and Phil, Friday, Vegas, showdown. Head to head. Paper view. Boobs. Wait.

Will Tiger be fucking them or will Phil be wearing them? Yeah. That's about it. Probably both. I heard from our, from our, from our great golf guy, Riggs, who is credentialed actually at this, which is awesome. He said that the golf community isn't a huge fan of this because it's paper view and also it's taken away from the rest of the golfers, which I love.

I love, I love it even more. This is awesome though. I mean, if you're not going to watch or at least try to find a stream. We already predicted this is going to be like the biggest day for malware ever because a bunch of old white dudes are going to try to find free streams. But how can you not like, I mean, Tiger and Phil, I'll always tune in Tiger and Phil. They could be 90 and they could be playing like old man golf. I'd tune in.

It's a classic dumpy golf reaction to be like, this isn't good for the game. No. When actually, in reality, it's very good for, very good. When else are we going to be, the only times that we've ever discussed golf in November have been this. And when Tiger Woods got his window broken in by his wife when he was trying to drive away from her. Well, no.

Dude, he was, he was fell asleep and he was in trouble and he could, she needed to get him out of the car. Oh, when she extricated him. Yeah. And when he told, and when he was texting like, I need you to delete this number, that'd be huge. It, what was that about? That happened right before.

That was a scammer, and he was like, I want to be on a no call list. Yes. I've contacted the FCC already. If you don't, I'll be forced to take, okay, got it. Yeah. Those are the only two times that we've discussed golf in November. Anytime you can get your sport into the conversation in, in football season, listen, come on, man. Listen, time is at a premium right now.

Jeremy Ravel will tell you that this airtime on the Friday in between Thanksgiving and Thanksgiving weekend is the most lucrative airtime. Yes. And I'll see you guys at the sports bar that is known as Twitter. Who you got? Nothing captures the wave. I'm a tiger. I'm a tiger.

I got to go tiger. Yeah. I don't think I was going to run away with it. I saw three holes. I saw, well, Phil's not running anywhere. Tiger, Tiger has experienced going with three holes. Trust me on that one. Phil looks awful.

Phil looks physically. Whoa. Bad. I think he looks fine. Bad. His face is getting heavier. He's got a heavy face. Whoa.

It looks like his. I think he looks good. No, it looks like the front of his. He's in the best shape of his life. He did the mid, he did that ad where he was dancing. No, it looks like the front of his face is being weighed down. He can kick bottles off people's heads. Kick over his head.

Yeah. No, he looks bad. I don't think you've seen a picture of Phil. Phil looks significantly more authentic than you. I saw his face. Bullshit. Bullshit. Get him, man.

You can't kick a water bottle off someone's head. Let's do it right now. No, I don't want to get kicked in the head. Yeah. Well, then let me prove it somehow. Kick it off pickets. He's taller than you. No.

No, I am. Yeah. No, I am. I'll do it right now. Okay. Let's do it. Let's finish the show first and then you can do it. Okay.

Yeah. Phil Mickelson is not significantly more authentic. He sounded a little triggered there. Yeah. He got you a little triggered. Phil looks bad. I think Phil looks fine. No.

I think Phil looks fine. Why don't you fuck him? Well, I mean, he looks fine. He's always fine. He looks great. I'm looking at his picture right now. I don't know where the heavy face got from. It looks like he's got a heavy face.

His eyes look yellow. Jesus Christ, man. Kill him. I'm just saying. You're killing him. I'm Team Tiger. Some of us are Tiger guys. That's okay if you're not.

I'm Team Tiger too, but the Phil, like I'm looking at him right now, he looks good. He actually looks kind of skinny. No, seriously. His skin looks bad, but he looks skinny. Yeah. Okay, now we got him. No. He's been in the sun.

Hank, Thanksgiving. Thanksgiving, so people texted in their hottest or coldest Thanksgiving takes. Okay. We're going to read them off. We're going to embrace some debate. Okay. First one. This one is near and dear to Big Cat's heart.

Does anyone actually enjoy cranberry sauce? I do. Why does it look like Jell-O, but tastes like shit? I do. I like it. Sue me. Listen, if we're going to go with cranberry sauce, I would rather have the kind that's just straight out of the can.

Don't try to dress cranberry sauce up. I like it when it's still got the lines in it and all that stuff. It's still not good, but that's probably the best way that you can serve it. I like it. Christmas basketball is better than Thanksgiving football. I'm too tired after Thanksgiving Day to watch, so it's a waste of two games. Then you're not doing Thanksgiving right. Yeah, I love Christmas Day basketball, but Thanksgiving football, come on.

There's also something great when it comes to like napping while watching Thanksgiving football. You fade in and out. The cornucopia on the set, and they got the little leaves around the – I love – there's nothing better than the score with the – I love it every year. I take a picture of it every year. I fucking love it. It makes me feel so festive.

I like – yeah, well, embrace debate. I like the holly at Christmas time on the screen. That's also nice. Yeah, the cornucopia on the screen is good too. Listen, there's room for all of it. It's all good. There's many good people on both sides. Yes.

What's up, PMT gang? Get your thoughts on the correct time to take a walk with your cousins before dinner. Oh, the walk. After a second game seems too late, but before a second game seems a little early. Want to be peak high during dinner? Let me know your thoughts. Wait, what do you mean peak high? I thought we were talking about taking a walk.

I have a take. I actually think you shouldn't get peak high before dinner. You should get a little high before dinner, and then peak high after dinner so you can get leftovers while you're peak high. That's pretty good. It's a little bit going into dinner, and then later at night, it's a little, what is it called? Digest-teeth?

A digest-teeth? A little marijuana digest-teeth? No, it's also a combo digest-teeth and a pair of teeth because it's getting you ready for a second dinner. Correct. Yeah, it's a two-fer. I would say maybe half time of the second game? Yeah.

That seems like a good compromise because this person's right. Three o'clock might be a little early because then most of your relatives are still sober and they're like, hey, what's up with PFT, but why is he saying all this weird stuff more so than usual? Why is he wearing sunglasses at the dinner table? Yeah, exactly. He was fucking druggy. Why does he keep talking about Nazis?

Yeah, this guy's like, hey, I haven't talked about Nazis in a long time. That stuff's not funny anymore. That's a good segue into this. Jimbo, my cousin and I were getting high before Thanksgiving dinner. We accidentally became Nazis. His dad caught us and proceeded to snitch on us to the whole family, spent that Thanksgiving high as fuck being shamed and lectured about the dangers of hard drugs by our extended family, and the food wasn't even that good.

That's awkward. That is very awkward. Very awkward. But like who, I mean, maybe he's super young, but like who's, I feel like once you get past, I feel like once you get past junior year in college, no one can tell you what to do ever. Oh, I think high school once you turn 18. Man, there's still the little bit like the first year back.

And was this a friend's dad? No, cousin. Like you're in a dust. His cousin's dad. Paul, listen, listen guys, if you're listening to this and you're over 21 and someone tries to tell you what to do and not do, say, how many minutes. No, so you say, I'm an adult. Don't tell me what to do.

Yeah. And then punch them in the face. And then you say, officer, am I free to go? Yeah. Afterwards. Yeah, so here's the thing. When you're still in high school, when you're that young, sometimes when a friend's dad says something to you, it makes you feel really bad, but you can always just say, you're

not my dad. Yes. And that is great. And maybe my dad could beat up your dad. Yeah. My dad could beat you up. Yeah. No, you turn to your friend like the other dad's not there and say, hey, my dad could

beat up your dad. Or say, hey, who is this guy that's trying to tell me what to do? Yeah. You're not a cop. Show me your badge, sir. We got a lot of people giving their takes from the most overrated Thanksgiving food. I want to hear your guys. Overrated Thanksgiving food.

Well, I think cranberry sauce. It's not food. It's not food. Yeah. What do you mean? It's not a food. I mean, it's not like a main dish food. Like it's a accoutrement.

I think it's it's within bounds of the it's the thing is you don't put mashed potatoes, stuffing, turkey in the same spot as like, it's like, yeah, you do. No. Okay. Anyway, it's like an extra. I don't have to have it. I don't think it's high enough rated to be overrated. So I won't say cranberry sauce overrated.

I'm just going to go with the starter salad. Starter salad. You don't need it. Yep. You don't even need it. Don't even pretend to be healthy. In fact, this year, if you eat a salad, that's the least healthy thing you can do. Oh, I got one.

I'm not a big pumpkin pie guy. All right. Give me a pecan pie over a pumpkin pie. This person says like all pies. All pies are trash. You have to go with a cobbler or other dessert pie. Even a scoop of ice cream is better than pie cobblers. I am a big cobbler guy because it's basically like the person who created the cobbler is

like, yeah, I can't actually cook a crust. So I'm just going to throw all the good stuff and a ton of sugar into a pot and then just eat that. And I kind of like that. Yeah. No, who doesn't like a cobbler? Right. And you also, the nice thing with the cobbler, little fat guy tip, a piece of pie, you have

to, when someone's cutting a piece of pie and they're like, you can never be the guy who gets the biggest piece of pie because everyone's like, look at this fat, fat, so eat the big piece of pie. You got to be like, oh, yeah, no, I'll take a medium piece. Cobbler, you can just go scoop after scoop after scoop and just say, oh yeah, this is one piece. And well, the thing with pies is I like, I like any dessert that you can put whipped cream on.

Yeah. And, and I think whipped cream goes better on a pie than it does on a cobbler. It certainly goes better. No ice cream with cobbler. Yeah. Ice cream on a cobbler. It certainly goes better on a pie than it does on cake. You can't put like whipped cream on a cake than that's like, well, you can do it on ice

cream cake. I like to go ice cream on my ice cream cake and then some whipped cream on top. Okay. Yeah. Well, on ice cream. I think sometimes you get an ice cream because he doesn't have all the types of flavors you want. You get the vanilla ice cream cake and you need a little more ice cream on it.

Here's my hot take. All desserts are good. Whoa. All right. Last one. Embrace debate. My family never ran a 5K on Thanksgiving because we aren't absolute psychopaths. This is the first year I'll be running one with my girlfriend's family.

Do I go hard in the pain to establish dominance early or do I lay back and treat it as the joke that it is? I was just going to say break up with her. You don't want that smoke in this family. This is actual definition of if there's smoke, there's fire. If there's a family that does a 5K on Thanksgiving, there's a lot of other overachieving stuff that you're going to be expected to participate in down the line. Agreed.

And if you actually do have to run it, definitely do the former where you just run as fast as you can to start and then just basically gas yourself out because then you had that moment of glory where everyone was like, damn, this guy's awesome. And then you can make a, you can kind of joke about it like, oh, I got hurt. I got in stretch. Yeah. But you saw how fast it was. Start dating a normal girl that just gets day drunk at 9 a.m. watching a parade on TV.

Right. Well, her dad judges you and yeah, it's a good time. Yeah. That's it. Okay. Okay. Happy turkey day. So we have Mike Miller and Chuck Liddell.

If you have to work on Friday, save this. Save what we're about to do. They're great interviews, but save them for Friday. PFT, why don't you take us out with an ad before these two interviews? I will. And I also want to do a PSA real quick out there. If you're the best way to prepare a turkey, in my opinion, is by deep frying it. Would you agree?

Sure. Okay. If you deep fry it, make sure that the big time mainly make sure it's completely frozen. I like to micro brew my own beers. No, no, I do. A lot of people get they, they burn their house down every year, so make sure it's totally frozen. I actually don't think people do that anymore.

I think it's been overexposed and then drop it from a high surface area and make sure it all spills over and do it indoors. I think people, people, yeah, people know not to fuck it up anymore. Yeah. They figured it out. They have. My grave the circle. Alton Brown totals.

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The easiest way to save money while shopping online. Love you guys. OK, we now welcome on a very special guest. It is Mike Miller, who is now on Penny Hardaway's Memphis staff, but you probably know him from his career in the NBA two-time NBA champion, one-time NBA loser. You have a better record in the finals than LeBron James. That's a fact. I'm just stating facts.

Let's get into it, though. Mike, thank you for joining us. Let's start with what you're doing right now. So you're coaching in college with on Penny Hardaway's staff. Is it weird going all the way back in time and now recruiting guys and doing the journey that you had from the beginning here? Yeah, it's strange. I mean, that was one of the biggest things.

We went in our first in-home visit, was getting with these kids, and didn't seem like it's too long ago. I was sitting on that couch, and the coach was pitching me. So just being a part of it and seeing these young kids, where they're trying to go, the stuff that we've done, hopefully being a part of the process to help them get to where we were and have the careers that we've had. What's your living room pitch like? How do you, if you take, you know, you're visiting somebody, say, in-state, and you're trying to convince them, hey, come to Memphis, don't go to, like, University of Tennessee or whatever. What do you say in somebody's living room?

I just think to me, the biggest thing is it's not a two-year, three-year, four-year decision. This is a 10, 15, 20-year decision because of what you're trying to become and who you're trying to be. And, you know, it's like anything else in life. You want to learn from people that have done it before you. And, you know, all the steps they're about to make, we've made. We've made it once or twice. The mistakes they're about to make, we've made. The successes we've had, we've made.

So just gearing guys and getting them ready. I mean, I think there's a big difference now in the NBA. They don't have as long as a leash. They don't wait as long. So not just making there, but being ready when you get there. And I think that's the thing. Yeah, do you do the rings in your pitch? Do you wear the rings?

I've run them a couple of times. It depends how big it needs to be. But for me, it's about the now. You know, and those rings are obviously a big part of it because I was on a lot of teams. And it's a small thing between winning and losing in the NBA. It's the same thing in college. And so it's the hardest thing you ever do is win, but you got to build a culture right and get the locker right.

Do you ever play clips from Blue Chips from Penny's appearance in that great Nick Nolte movie and just like, Hey, I can't offer you these things, but look what Penny was getting. If you ever want to be a movie star, we got that handled too. So, you know, it's just, it gives you both angles. Yeah, that's nice. And so you have, uh, speaking of recruiting, uh, at the time of this taping, this isn't going to air till Wednesday, but James Wiseman, he is one of, he's the number one prospect. You're in the finalist.

It's actually a weird finalist, Florida state, Kansas, Kentucky. Those make sense. Memphis Vanderbilt. Do you think he's going to come to Memphis? Do you want to call your shot? Uh, we hope we just sit back and pray. We've done our job. Um, you know, obviously our pitch has been there that we just talked about, uh, you know,

our coach has had a relationship with him and his family for a while now. So we've done our job. We sit back and wait and see where he decides to go and hopefully be a part of the future going forward. If it isn't, he's a big time award winning listener. So yes, listen, when you listen to this, just know that we're giving Memphis the endorsement. Yeah. Wait.

So that was, so are you predicting? Yes. Yeah. Just say yes. Say he's predict, predict yes. We'll cut it before Wednesday's episode. I'm letting you guys predict this one. You guys predict it.

Okay. He's going to sign with Memphis on, on Tuesday. This will air on Wednesday. He's going to sign with Zardis. I appreciate yelling, you know, you know, stabbing the approval for it. Yeah. He's not trying yet. He's all those, all those thuleys out there.

Yeah. Absolutely. When it comes to recruiting, you guys are obviously trying to build something out there in Memphis. Um, at what point do you draw the line? You say, okay, this dude is, you know, an elite level recruit, we're probably not going to land him. Like, when do you decide to cut your losses?

I mean, I think, I think the biggest thing, you know, and the hardest thing to do it in recruiting is just being open and transparent and, and, and letting them know, like, Hey, listen, you can tell me, I'm a big boy. You can tell me if you're not interested. It would definitely help. They would do things like that. But, you know, for us, we can only, you know, we like players that we have a chance with. And so, like you said, we got to cut bait at some point, but it's hard because you're

going to, for the, the power of the player that we're going after, you're going to go against Kansas, Kentucky, Duke. And so you've got to have a realistic expectation of who you can get and who you can. We feel like we're in the, in the game with all of them because at the end of the day, they want to go and their ultimate goal is to play in the NBA, which we can, we can help them with. Do you have you and Penny jumped on the court and dominated the kids yet? Have you, have you had the, you know, we work these kids over every day.

We give it to every day. They have these kids, it's, it's fun because, you know, we obviously don't have it like we used to as much. I'm only two years removed. So I can go out there a little bit, but, you know, Penny just plays them and outsmarts them. It's just, it's fun to, fun to get on the floor with them for short. What do you shoot these days? If you go out there and you take a hundred threes, how many are you making?

Just buy yourself in the gym. Oh, at least I'd be disappointed if I don't get you 75 or 80 of them. That must be so awesome to just go out there and just stroke it. Yeah. Can you still dunk? I can do that. I tell you what, I'm not going to do it much though. Cause by the time landing it, I don't know what parts will be left on me when I

want to land, but the shooting part is easy. Just defending and jumping is a tricky part now. All right. So let's talk about your MBA career. You had an unbelievable MBA career. You played for a lot of years. You played for a lot of different teams. And I think that the, the biggest like takeaway from Mike Miller's MBA career is

that everyone liked you in the locker room that, you know, there's a famous story about how mad Tracy McGrady was when, when the magic traded you. What, how, is that just come naturally? Or were you always like going into a new situation being like, I'm going to be the glue guy, part of what I bring to the team is the type of guy I am in the locker room. I think it's just, it's natural. I think, you know, for me, it was about being and doing what needed to be done. And, and for, you know, I've, I've been, I've been fortunate and blessed enough to

play at 17 years of play with, you know, probably 10 Hall of Famers. So, you know, the biggest thing in life is know who you are. And, and starring your role. And I think, you know, that was one of the biggest things that worked on it. It put Tracy McGrady, it's played LeBron James, it put DeWayne Wade, Pau Gasol, Marcus, so, you know, so I've seen and, and been a part of every different culture, every different kind of person, every different kind of player, every, every player is different, you know, as far as who they are and their

attitudes and what they like and what they don't like. And you, you've got to know who you, who you're dealing with. Who was the best player you ever played with not counting LeBron James? Cause I know that LeBron listens to everything about him and he'll have you killed if you don't say him. So we're just going to throw him out there besides him. Who was the best? Well, clearly he is the best player besides him.

Probably the way it was the way it is the way I think, you know, for me, well, Tracy McGrady, that's a tough one. That's a good question. Thank you. You know, they're Hall of Famers. You know, I think you give, you give DeWayne the nod because he has three championships, but team act to me was the hardest cover ever. I had to go every day in practice.

He was unbelievable too. So you can, you can give me arguments on both sides of that one. Team act was a guy that would, he was a guy that would go unconscious sometimes. Like in one half he'd put up like 30 points and you just, no matter what angle he was shooting from, no matter where he was on the court, he was going to make it. And, and one point you had, you dropped a 45 in a game. Did I read that right?

Is that a mistake? Is your Wikipedia wrong? You read that correctly. You scored 45. We're trying to figure out what it's like to be in the zone because it sounds like you were in the zone. What, what, what did that feel like? It's a, you know, it's like anything else.

I mean, it's the best feeling in the world because you put so much time into stuff and it's, you know, I've seen it on, on other ends. And when you're in it personally, it's, it's the best feeling in the world because you're the top of your craft. You're the top of whatever you've always wanted to do. Okay. So listen to my theory and then answer it, answer the question. As honestly as you can, I'm not saying that LeBron James is a bad teammate.

I am saying that it is hard to play with LeBron James because he's so good. When LeBron's teams lose, all the players get the blame. And when they win, LeBron essentially is like, Oh, well, it's LeBron James. And you add the bonus where basically every night is like a thing. It's an experience because it's LeBron's team. You had it with the heat. You had it with the calves. You'll have it with the lake.

Actually less of the Lakers because he's a coward and he ran to the West Coast. So no one will stay up and watch his games. But is it, is it hard to play on a LeBron James team for that reason? I think, I think it's a, you know, I think it's a fair question. I don't, I don't know for what reason, but I think to me, it's a tough, it's tough being as teammate, not for some of the things you said, but because the expectations, I think, you know, some people ain't built for that. I mean, like you said, it is when we first got to Miami, it was like a traveling circus.

So, you know, some people aren't, you obviously, when you're not a customer, that is different. And with it comes expectations and with it comes every game is going to get scrutinized no matter what. Now, you know, you got to do your job when you're with them. You're on the biggest stage. And like I said, some people is ain't built for it. It's a different, it's a different environment than playing, you know, when

I played in, uh, not against the Minnesota's or like that, it wasn't, you weren't supposed to win championships or you weren't supposed to be, um, on ESPN every night. So you just get on, on a bigger stage with brighter lights. When you, when you first joined the heat, that was a really interesting time. And I'm fascinated by this because it was, okay, this team on paper should, you know, they could win every single game that they play in. Um, but obviously there were some growing pains and, and it's, it's

fascinating to see like how a team like that, that's filled with so much individual talent, even though they're, you know, head and shoulders above most teams, it still takes some time to gel. But what goes into that process? Like, were there some growing pain? What were those growing pains like for the first, you know, 30 games of that? Was it 2010 season? Uh, no, it was the second season, right?

Yeah. The second, the second heat season, LeBron was when you joined, right? No, I joined him from the beginning. Okay, yeah. Yeah. And the hardest, the hardest thing for us was that the team was built with, as far as the superstars D Wade and LeBron were such similar players. I mean, you look at Golden State and the way they are, Kevin Durant, Steph Curry

and them guys are totally different players. Uh, D Wade and LeBron are pick and roll type players, but they're, they're, they weren't necessarily jump shooters, you know? And so there's a style that you have to play and everyone has to get accustomed to it and the way the game was going, it started at that point where the game is now it's, it's just so hard to play that style of basketball where, where Golden State has an easier transition because all of our guys are shooters can play off the ball.

And so we were just juggling between the guys like Chris Box was used to taking 20 some shots again. D Wade is taking 20 some shots again LeBron and now mixing the guys around them that make that four big enough for them to succeed. So, you know, it's hard. It's always hard when you put teams together like that for sure. Do you think that people don't talk about LeBron James, uh, eight point game four of the NBA finals against the Mavericks enough?

I mean, that was an all time bad game, Mike. That was an all time bad game. I'm just stating facts. What happened in that game from, from someone who was on that team? What happened in that game? Uh, that's a good, I mean, it was, it was obviously wasn't one of his better ones and, and, you know, in his defense, he came out the next year and admitted to it, like he was, he went ghost a little bit and he had no problem admitting it.

Um, but you know, at the same time he's, he's done, he's the following year he was uh, backs against the wall in Boston game six, we're down three, two, um, has one of the most epic playoff games in the history of basketball. So, you know, it's, it's obviously like anything else, he had to grow through things too, you know, it's, it's a different, it's a different situation. Did you, did you notice like a mental change of like LeBron from that, from the year that they lost, you guys lost the Mavs to the next year? Because like, you know, it's funny to think about, and obviously I'm giving

you shit about LeBron, but he's obviously an all time great and it's, it's tough to really go at his resume. But there was a time where he was a joke artist and everyone was like, he can't win the big one and the Maverick series was basically the height of that because it felt like the heat. We're going to win that and Dirk wins that title and you have the game for a situation. Could you tell a difference between LeBron that year and then the next year

when you guys come back and actually, you know, beat the thunder and win the title? Yeah. I mean, everyone was susceptible to it. I mean, the expectations are a monster now. Like, and, and his have never been higher. So when he got up there and obviously didn't play, you know, eight points in the playoff game, he'll tell you it was unacceptable for him.

And it was one of those games that hurt us. But, you know, he had to go through it just like everyone else. He's, he's human still. So there was a different, he approached things way different coming to that following or the next year. Um, you know, he took it like it was weird how he came in because it's not his personality. He was, he was the villain for the first time and he wasn't comfortable.

And, and so when he came back the following year, it was like, okay, I'm not going to try to play a part that I'm not. And you can see he was a lot, he was a lot more free with everything he did. And, and obviously in this game and any profession you do, if you're not comfortable of who you are and what you're doing, uh, it's hard to perform at the highest level. And so he basically threw that stuff aside and became who he is now. Do players play more hungover when they're in Miami, Miami visiting players?

I'm guessing, I'm guessing that it's trending in that direction. You know, Miami, Miami does have a home court advantage with that, with, with South Beach being right around the turn. Yeah. Do you, all right. So I have this theory for, for Christmas day. I always bet the unders in the first three games. Do you, are guys like not in their regular rhythm because they're either eating

or they're spending time with their family, opening presents, all that stuff. Is Christmas day tougher to get up for? Christmas days are tough. They're, they're, they're difficult because especially if you're the road team, you know, you're away from your family, you know, kids at home and doing all that stuff, you don't get to be a part of it. That's, that's difficult. It's a different, yeah, you're right.

It's a different routine. You're not going through the same stuff you normally do. Yeah. What's the meanest thing someone's ever said about your hair when you had long hair? I can tell you a lot of they, they used to kill me on that. They call me about everything they can call somebody. I mean, you know, y'all can be creative because they probably called it to me. Who was, yeah, who was, who talked the most trash to you or who, who was the

meanest to you when you played in the NBA? Old school dudes by far, Cliff Robinson, dudes that were like the old school cats, they were, they were, they didn't care, you know, and, and, you know, the games changed a little bit because of, you know, social media and things like that. You're more, there's a lot more friends. Back then there was no friends. You got in the court, you were a punk and then that's what, you know, when you're

a young kid, that's what they, they, you know, they came at you to see who you were. I think they, they test you more than anything. See if you're, what you're going to do if they, you know, talk to you. Old school guys were the worst. I mean, they were hard. They were hard to deal with. Rank your career looks in retrospect, looking back, like the wizards, Mike,

the, the heat, Mike, Mike, the heat, Mike. Um, I mean, none of them are going to be on the cover of GQ. That's what you're asking. But, you know, I, I was always one guy that would try, I try anything. I wouldn't, I wouldn't really concern with it. So, you know, I did, I did about every hairstyle you can possibly get. Including dyeing my hair and doing that. So it was just part of the process for me.

I just wanted to go out there and hoop didn't care much about the look. So I read on your Wikipedia that you owned a monkey. Is that true? I did as the best pet in the world. How long, how long were you a monkey owner? I was a monkey owner from 2000 to 2002. Sad day when I had to get rid of him too. I'm going to tell you all a funny story.

Y'all have got a minute with my monkey. Yeah, sure. Absolutely. So I, I, I get ready to leave the house and, you know, I'm 19, 20 years all the time, I put him, I put his name was Sonny and put him up in his room. And I put my dogs outside. I grew two great Danes at the time, took my wife, a girlfriend at the time, go eat something to eat.

But an hour later, I get a call from the neighbors in the neighborhood. Says your, your monkey is riding your dogs around the neighborhood. The monkey left my dogs out. I pulled up, I pulled up back in the subdivision. Sure enough, you ride my great Dane right down the middle of the road. You think my neighbors like me? That's awesome. That's so great.

Um, I have a question about, uh, the calves. When you're on the calves, did you sense any, um, you know, obviously the Kyrie Lebron thing kind of didn't fall apart, but Kyrie wanted out. Did you sense anything there where Kyrie is like, Hey, this guy really wants to be an alpha. This, he wants to have his own team. No, I think, you know, when we got down there and made that and, and, and got to Cleveland and Kyrie was 19, 20 years old or whatever, come up, you

know, rookie year and all that stuff. He wasn't, he was just, he was in a mode to learn and, and see what it was like and try to get part of the championship. And it was appreciative of what Lebron did. But, you know, for him, he was built to have that, to have that shoulder, that responsibility and, and to, and to take on a locker room and take on a floor by himself. So you could see that always being a part of what he was going to do.

And it wasn't, like, I think there's things made out like the relationship. It wasn't nothing with the relationship. I think he was just, that's what he wanted. Ultimately wanted to see if he was able to do at, at, at the NBA level. Do you think if that you were still on the calves, you would have been able to keep them together? Cause you, you are like the master, uh, you know, locker room guy. I don't know.

I think, I think this is what he was supposed to be doing. I'll be honest with you. I don't, again, I don't think I really truly, I know you, you know, might think I'm a little bit of a homer on LeBron and even on Kyrie. Like to me, to my favorite teammate. Um, it wasn't a relationship thing. It's just Kyrie always wanted to see what he was made of and see if he was able to do what he's out there trying to do in Boston now.

And, and, uh, you learn so much in his years in Cleveland, how to be a champion. You know, it's just, it's a, it's a different beast for him. And he's built different than a lot of players. Was there a difference between how, uh, how kind of LeBron led the team in Cleveland, as opposed to how he did in Miami, especially like given, uh, the two different head coaches that were there. The narrative out there is that, you know, LeBron was the coach, essentially of the Cavaliers, uh, for those couple of years.

Is there any truth to that? I think it was a big difference on how he led for sure. I think, you know, he went, he went to Miami, uh, trying to find out what it was like and what he had to do to win. You know, coming back to Cleveland, he experienced that. So there's a lot more merit and, and the things, the way he did things and his preparation things and, and the way he could do those, you know, he, he could lead, you know, obviously, did you have a voice in Cleveland for sure?

Uh, you know, in Miami, there's a strong voice in coach Riley and Sposra and the culture and things are there. And, uh, you know, I think when he went back to Cleveland, he was trying to bring some of that to Cleveland. Who is the toughest coach you ever played for? Um, demanding why is it like just on you wise, both give it, you can give them both. Yeah.

Yeah. Um, uh, the, the, the toughest one demanding wise is just, is, is Miami. It's a culture. And that, and I think the stuff that I'm learning and, and doing now as a coach, I'm taking a lot of that stuff from Miami. Um, the toughest coach on me wise. Um, and just not a, just not on, it was just where I was as a player at the time

was probably doc in, in Orlando, because I wasn't, I wasn't, I wasn't ready for that or not so much ready for that, but I wasn't prepared. There was so much things I needed to learn when I got there. So it felt like he was always on me, but he was, he was helping me. So I think that'd be it. That'd be the answer. What are some things that you took from Miami to, uh, to your job now? Um, uh, just, just, you know, from all the coaches I had to my, probably

my favorite coaches were the ones I learned. Like doc was one of my favorite coaches to be brown with probably my favorite coach, uh, Miami's culture and just the way they prepare and do things. And, and they were the way they make it about the team and things like that are a lot of things, just practice habits, uh, preparation. They were organized to a T. I mean, like all those things are just some of the stuff I'm trying to bring. Um, how much credit do you give Matthew Delavidova for really

perfecting your shot? A huge credit. I'm talking about, talking about a guy that just, you know, worked with me day and night and, and got me right where I needed to be. I like it. Yeah. My man, Deli though, he's the best. Uh, you were in the, the, uh, I'm looking at your draft picture right now.

Do you, you actually didn't have too bad of a suit. Do you ever look back at like NBA fashion and in the early odds and be like, holy shit, what was everyone wearing? Yeah. And mine wasn't much better than mine. Mine was that big baggy, uh, look like, look like the old empty hammer suits. Those things were big. It wasn't that bad.

You know, I had, I had the big baggy suit. You had, you were in one of the worst drafts of all time. I'm looking at it right now. It's actually incredible. It wasn't, it wasn't a great one, but you know, my boy Jamal Crawford still holding it down for us after nine years. Yeah. The, the, the top 10 picks, Kenyan Martin, Strohmiles, Swift, Darius Miles,

Marcus Pfizer, remember that Mike Miller, uh, Damar Johnson, Chris Mim, Jamal Crawford, Joel Percebilla, Keon Dooling. Holy shit. Damn. Jamal McGlore at 19 is okay. Do you, I mean that, that's you actually are like, oh, Michael read too in the second round, but are you like you, you actually kind of, you were the best player in that draft, basically, you know what, we, we, uh, we all take, it wasn't, it was a

difficult, different draft class for sure. Uh, but no, my boy Jamal is still playing 19 years. We had a lot of guys that ended up playing a lot of years and, uh, and, you know, sparring injury. Michael Redwood would have played longer. Jamal McGlore, obviously. Uh, so we had some good players, but it wasn't the depth, obviously in the top part struggle a little bit.

Clinton Richardson. Okay. But I mean, oh my God. I mean, you, you're trying to spin it as you had a lot of guys playing a lot of years. That's, that's just false. I will give you credit. Your suits, not as baggy as some of the other ones that I've seen.

I was actually, I was looking this up earlier and I was wondering if the other guys were roasting you for not having a baggy enough suit on draft night. When in retrospect, you came out looking good. I appreciate the gas, man. I appreciate it. Um, what, uh, so we're wrapping up here. I know you got to go to practice soon. What was, when you were like practicing against LeBron and Dwayne Wade and Chris

Bosch, what's the one move that each guy has that like is just absolutely unstoppable? What's the spot of their game that no one can do anything if they want to score or they can score? Uh, LeBron, just when he goes downhill, just too big and fast and athletic. The, uh, D Wade had ridiculous spin move. Couldn't do nothing with it. Uh, guys like Trace McGrady, hesitation jumper was ridiculous, athletic length.

Yeah. Um, and then, you know, guy like Chris Bosch is his size, man, size and skill. Um, what was LeBron James actual size? Ooh, good question. He's six, eight. He's six, eight, two 70 for sure. Two 70. Two 70.

Did he, is it true that he gained nine pounds in a game? I watched, I, I, I literally watched the man, he was actually seven pounds. He weighed in, am I, am I am you waiting before games and after games? The man waited two, I think it was two 60 before the game and he got done playing 42 minutes and had crazy stats and ended up weighing in at two 67. How? It's a, he's, he's not human. I mean, who's drinking?

Was he chugging water? Oh, do you think LeBron has a got a alcohol problem? Wine problem? Too much, too much sheesh. I mean, you have his number. Why don't you face them? People are saying, people are saying. No chance.

He's, yeah, you got a problem. Oh, actually the 2015. So you were on the calves when you guys beat the bulls in six games, right? When Derek Rose had the buzzer beater and two in the second game, third game for Cleveland. Yes. Yes. That was, that was the year that LeBron went zero dark 30.

And then I found out that he liked a Instagram page called perfect booties. Did you ever check out perfect booties? I've never, I've never seen, I've never seen perfect booties. What was his, he's got it. He's got an Instagram burner. When he says he's going zero dark 30, he's not actually going zero dark 30. Come on. Uh, that would have, that would have to be a question for him.

I don't know. That's a good question. Okay. Well, the facts say, can you get them on? I never see for this phone, zero dark 30 days. I never see for this phone. Oh, interesting. Do you, do you still talk to LeBron?

Can you tell him like, Hey, you should come on this show. These guys are really funny. Yeah, I definitely talk to LeBron and I'll, and I'll definitely plug you. Just like you guys plugged me for recruits. I'm a plug you for, for the show. Yes. Hell yeah. No question.

No, oh, we're, listen, Memphis is building something. They're going to be, we're going back to the days of Derek Rose going to the, to the championship game. Memphis is about to be the coolest like place to go play basketball with Penny Hardaway and Mike Miller. Absolutely. And we're landing the number one recruit tomorrow. I mean, we've already guaranteed we got some good momentum we're building on here.

Yeah. That's absolutely. Hey, who's the next guy? You know what? I'm, I'm, I'm going to bring you guys in for the next recruiting pitch. Is that all right? You guys got time to come sit in the couch. Yes.

Absolutely. Is, is, yeah. Is his name LeBron James, Jr. We got to wait about four more years, but I want to be a bad one. Okay. Well, we'll get to work on him. That's true. LeBron James, Brownie James, Jr. is going to be.

I think we do, I think we do a, I think we do a live, I think we do a live shoot as a recruiting pitch with you guys and do a live and do a live show while we're recruiting. Yeah, I like that. Help us. Oh, absolutely. We're in, I hear he likes Pinot Noir. So if you want to ship a couple of cases of those to his house.

We got this. I'm sure, I'm sure LeBron will make sure it gets into his hands. I do have one final question. Do you think that you're the best South Dakota athlete of all time? Oh, I mean, I'm a, I'm a better myself, of course, but there's, there's who else, who else we got? Adam Vinitieri, big time, by the way. Yeah.

What about, um, what's, what's his name, uh, uh, Mike, what was his fucking name? The, the, he was on South Dakota state this year, this last year. Shooter. Phil, I'm the dominator. Yeah. Yeah. Mike Dom. Yes.

The dominator. Yeah. We, we actually played them this year. He's the senior there at South Dakota state now. Oh, he is. Okay. Yeah. He's fucking awesome.

Okay. Here's who you're going up against. Um, Adam Vinitieri. By the way, if you just Google South Dakota athletes, you're the second picture that pops up, but here's who you're going up against. Adam Vinitieri, Becky Hammond, Chad Greenway, Bobby Mills, Brock Lesnar. Are you a better athlete than Brock Lesnar? That's the real question.

Oh, I don't, I don't, I don't know if I want to say Brock cause if he sees me what, what me, but, uh, I mean, I like my chance. I know Chet Chet Chet Chet had an unbelievable career at Minnesota. Um, Becky Hammond was big time, uh, basketball player and now coaching obviously with Antonio, uh, Adam Vinitieri still, you know, broke records. So, you know, I like my chances though. I feel good where I'm at. Okay.

Last question for me, because we're on the topic of South Dakota, North Dakota. Um, cause those always come together. Pitch us on South Dakota versus North Dakota. Why are you the better Dakota? I just, we got, we got, we got the, we got the better athletes came out of North Dakota, Phil Jackson, right? Oh, I don't know about that. I don't know about that tropical climate.

I don't know about that. We got more of a, more of a, more of a down south feel. Yeah. Yes. Is, is there a rivalry? Wait. Oh no, you're definitely wrong on that. Roger Maris, North Dakota athletes, Roger Maris, Rhonda Rousey, Darren Erstad,

Lutolson, Rhonda Rousey's from North Dakota. That's what I'm saying right here. Carson Wentz. Wow. Yeah, he's from Scarborough, see. Brock Lesnar, what? Beats up, Rhonda Rousey. So we're good.

Hmm. That's problematic, but also, I don't think, I think you're, I don't know. This is tough. You're not telling me on South Dakota. No one, so who do you think, who do you think's better on there? Which one has, which one has the Mount Rushmore? Roger Maris. Which one has Mount Rushmore without Dakota?

We got, we got. Oh, you have that? Okay, so then you won. Okay, you won, you won. There you go. Can you explain to us why there are two Dakotas? I've never really understood that. Seems like a bit, a bit overkill.

Should we just be one Dakota? Should we just, we change it, just change it to one Dakota? Yeah, I don't, I don't really think. The Dakotas are, yeah, the Dakotas are those states where it's like, I can with, with a hundred percent certainty say that I will never step foot in either of them in my entire life. I think you should. Nah, I'm good.

Come on down. I'm good. No, I'm, I'm good. You got some of Yellowstone. Does that stretch into the South Dakota? We got it. We got it. We got a little bit of every, all the flavors for you, whatever you guys want.

Black Hills, Mount Rushmore. Okay. What, what about last question for me? What, what about the pyramid in, in Memphis? Why did it become a Bass Pro Shops? What happened there? Actually a cool, it's a cool Bass Pro Shops, by the way, but that's where, you know, that's how old I am.

I, I, I, I played, I played my first game there. When I played for the Bob Grizzly, do you ever go in there and like, yeah, like this is where, this is where the legend of Mike Miller was built. And now it's a Bass Pro Shops. No, there's, there's not a whole lot about me. That's a legend. I just go with, I, I just, the fun fact I played there and it was a long time ago, but now the FedEx Forum is good.

Yeah. We play now. Yeah. Um, all right. That's it for us. Oh, I also wanted to ask if you ever got, uh, if anyone ever called you Matt Walsh, but it probably never happened. Not, not yet.

Yeah. Matt Walsh is a good friend of ours. Yeah. He's a good friend of ours. Matt Walsh is the best. Yeah. The one, the one other thing I had on this list, did you ever break the net with a swish?

Was that you or was that somebody else from Florida? No, I didn't break the net with a swish. You had some, you had some, it might have been Matt Walsh. You had some of the loudest swishes I've ever heard in my life. That's what I always remember you as. Yes. Yes. It's true.

It's true. All right. Well, we're going to come to Memphis sometime and hang out. Thank you so much, Mike. Good luck. And congrats on the number one recruit signing with Memphis, which we hope happens so that we don't have to edit it out of the podcast. Thanks, fellas.

Appreciate it. All right, man. Talk to you later. See you man. And now for something completely different. Okay. We now welcome on UFC legend, Chuck man, Chuck, the ice man, Liddell. He is fighting Tito Ortiz again.

You're fighting again. So let's start there. You're fighting Tito Ortiz again. Is there true bad blood between you guys? You guys have fought before many, many years ago as well. How, how are you feeling coming up to this fight? I feel great. He's, uh, yeah, I don't like him.

He's probably the only guy I've fought ever that I don't like. But, um, he's, he's just not the type of person I like to associate myself with. So, um, yeah, I don't like it at all. Do you find that you fight a little bit differently against him because you actually don't like him as opposed to somebody else that you might just be taking on as a fighter without that kind of bad blood in the back of your head? Um, it's, it really helps me in my training, getting ready for a fight. There's, there's no way you're not going to get prepared for a guy like that.

A guy you don't like helps me motivate me to train, um, extra, extra hard. But as far as fighting goes, I'm a calculating fighter. I'm not an emotional fighter. Um, I'm very, very, uh, very cold and, and I'm trying to set you up the whole time. I'm not, I think emotion, uh, cloud judgment. So I try to keep the motion out of it during the fight. So you're famously, obviously the Iceman nickname came because you have, you know, you don't get rattled.

You, uh, you know, your trainer noted that you don't, you know, you're not sweating or not. You don't have the jitters. Have you noticed that that has stayed consistent as you become an older fighter and still in the game? Do you still have that like resting heart rate when you're still fighting and the Iceman is still the Iceman? Yeah, I'm, I'm still a relaxed fighter. I mean, I love, I love being out there.

This better understand. Like, uh, you know, Tito gives it false to me all the time for not being on, you know, a businessman. He's not this, well, the thing he forgets is I fight for, and he says, I'm back, I'm back in this game because I must need the money. Um, he forgets I fight for passion. I fight because I love sport. I love fighting.

And I was the guy who always fought just to fight. I'll fight you in your backyard just to prove I'm better than you. So it's, it's one of those things. I mean, I'm back to fight. Don't get me wrong. I like to get paid too because, you know, it's, it's never making, if everyone's making money, I like my share too. But, um, I mean, I mean, this was a passion of him.

He's always been in it for the fame and the fortune. Oh, that's, that's, that's not my side. Yeah. So you said, uh, recently that if you can't beat Tito or T's, you shouldn't even be fighting anymore. And you're actually kind of using this as a launching pad for, to keep fighting and get back in the game even more. How long do you want to fight for?

We'll play it by ear. It depends on how, how everything goes and how, how my body feels that it'll be a fight to fight decision. Okay. So, and then Tito, you said the, the, the comment about Tito or T's, if I can't beat Tito, I shouldn't be fighting. Do you think this is going to be a walk in the park for you? I mean, like, he's just a bag of donuts or, I mean, like he,

he's not a great body anymore. He's an asshole. Like you said, do you think it's going to be easy one first round? I, I, I don't think he's a, a walk in the park bag of donuts. I just think he's a good tune up fight for me. I mean, he's a, a, a good measuring stick for where I am now. So, uh, if I go in there, I think, I think I actually, I think I'm going to knock down the first round, especially, especially if he, if he actually really believes

to be, he's trying to convince me he's going to come stand with me and change trade with me. So if he really thinks he's going to do that, I think even if he was planning on, he's going to change his mind about two or three big punches into it. But, um, but yeah, I don't, uh, I don't expect to make that in the first round. All right. What's, uh, what's the hardest that you've been hit in the past? You've fought a lot of heavy hitters.

You know, that's hard to say, you know, cause you don't like, you know, I've knocked out a few times and you don't remember those, those hits, you know, you don't, you don't, you lose that little bit of time right there. But, uh, finally it's hard. Yeah, yeah. So, all right. I want to, one last question for me. The, this is, you haven't fought in eight years and T or T has fought last year.

So if anyone is out there and being like, this is just like a, a money grab or, I mean, eight years, a long time, you'd understand why people would maybe, you know, throw up the caution flag and say, what the hell is Chuck Liddell doing? So try to, you know, convince those people, the haters of which there might be many, why they're wrong and why this actually is a comeback and you were going to be fighting into the future here. Um, uh, you know, the haters, the only way you can convince them is by actually showing them. If you guys just, the haters watch me Saturday night, uh, I will show you that I'm in great

shape and I'm still able to fight and, uh, my will to fight is still there. I'm going to be fighting and I, and I plan on fighting that. I, I told my wife when I started this thing, if I get back in shape, I want you to know I'm going to fight at least three or four more times because I'm, I'm ready to get out. I'm not getting in shape just to just go out there once and be done. There's a saying out there that's attributed to Mike Tyson. I don't know if he actually said it or not, but it's, you know, everybody has a plan until you get punched in the face with you.

You're a guy that has historically been able to like keep your plan after you get punched. What happens after you get hit the first time? Does it like feel good for you? Does it like focus you in more knowing that you're actually in a fist fight now? Yeah. I mean, I, for me, it's like, uh, remind me, I made a mistake and I need to, I need to make him pay for it. Okay. I, I, you know, I, I just said, it's just, okay. Oh, okay. Yeah. You gotta move. You gotta make him, make him pay right now.

So it doesn't do that again. That makes sense. Yeah. That makes sense. So Chuck, uh, so you said first round knockout, you feel it? T door tease, your first fight in eight years, your back in shape. What was the hardest part about getting back in shape by the way? You know, I, I took it real slow. So I eased back in to getting back in shape, but it was just, you know, just being, you know, just, I actually, really when I walked back in the gym, I started getting in there full time.

I was actually felt at home. I was actually very excited to be there. And so the hardest thing I, you know, I just, you know, coming in to being, being a little, have my timing being a lot bought off, being a little off, having to get back to that, get back in the shape. And you go in there and you wrestle and you have wrestlers that long in a little while, doing a little lot more tired than you thought you'd be. Yeah. I was actually asking that as a personal question, because I'm out in really bad shape and I want to get back in shape.

So, or getting shape for the first time in my life. You know, the, you know, the thing is, it's really, usually just the first couple of weeks, once you get in there, once you get started, just take it easy. Like the way I did it, I just slowly got increased by training, slowly increased it. So, you know, I didn't have to, I didn't have to do it all at once. I like that baby steps. Yeah. Just take it. Dude, the way to get back in shape is just take it easy. Yeah. Yeah.

Don't do anything uncomfortable. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Easy into it. Easy into it. Don't, don't try it. So many people try to just jump right back in at full speed. That's, yeah. No, I'm not too sorry. Yeah. I'm not going to be one of those people. I'm not jumping right back into it. I'm going to take it easy. I'm going to, you know, I don't want to be a number. Easy into it, but have a plan.

Okay. The plan is to just ease into it. I thought now you're, now the plan is to just chill out and ease into it. Right. But okay. All right. I think I got it. But you have to get started with something. Yeah. I'm starting with the easing into it, like in chilling. You're right. No, actually what you're talking about doing right now is jumping full speed ahead into easing into it.

Yeah. I'm actually worried. I don't know what that's healthy big time. Chuck, I'm worried about how fast you got me going into the ease it into it part of the program. You know what we should do? We should, you don't like us. I'm so happy with this Skype because you'd probably want to kick our ass right now. Oh no, you guys are funny. Oh man. All right. Well, Chuck, thanks so much, man. Appreciate it. And best of luck. Anytime you're in New York City, come by and let's do this in person.

Sounds good, man. All right. Thanks, Chuck. Yeah, yeah, yep. They have. Yeah, yeah. It. Okie. I don't know.

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