Pardon My Take - Thanksgiving Special With Fred Smoot In Studio, CFB, Week 13 Picks And Preview, Kirk Cousins And PFT/Hank Rivalry Continues

Episode Date: November 27, 2024

Mega episode for Thanksgiving week. We talk the Harbaugh Bowl and who can stop the Ravens(00:00:00-00:15:00). College Football talk after a crazy Saturday and we have our first completely unbiased Heisman discussion(00:15:00-00:35:55). We preview the Thanksgiving games(00:35:55-01:03:14) and do Hot Seat/Cool Throne(01:03:14-01:20:26). Fred Smoot joins us in studio to talk Smoot smack, playing in the league, Mississippi State and tons more(01:20:26-02:02:15). If you have to work Friday this is where you stop We then preview all the Sunday games for Week 13 and Hank and PFT’s rivalry continues with some new evidence being presented(02:02:15-02:48:35). We then finish with Kirk Cousins talking Falcons, his Achilles injury, Wicked, Bijan and tons more(02:48:35-03:23:41)You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/pardon-my-take

Hey, pardon my take listeners. You can find every episode on Apple podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad free on Amazon Music. On today's pardon my take, we have an extra long Thanksgiving special for the people. We have Fred Smoot in studio. We have Kirk Cousins. We're going to talk college football. We're going to talk Monday night football. We're going to do a weekend preview. We're going to do a Thanksgiving preview. We will tell everyone exactly in the spot

that they can stop the show if they unfortunately have to work on Friday as is tradition. We say it's like when you go out of town and you leave food for your cat. Yeah. And then you have it on a timer. We're going to put you guys on a timer so you get your Wednesday episode.

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They're on sale from Thanksgiving through Cyber Monday. Download the DraftKings Sportsbook app and use code TAKE to opt in. That's code TAKE only on DraftKings. The crown is yours. Today is Wednesday, November 27th and John Harbaugh, unfortunately owns Jim Harbaugh. 3-0, Jim Harbaugh saying before the game, I laid down my life for my brother, but I would not let him win a football game. I enjoyed the Harbaugh bowl. The Ravens are very, very good chargers. Quinton Johnson decided to start dropping balls again at the worst possible time, but that was a Ravens. The Ravens dominated that second half and they are who we thought they were a Super Bowl contender.

I think the Ravens dominated the second half and also the last two minutes of the first yes Go although going forward on fourth down. That was crazy. That was a great call And you know what I'm gonna say it if it hadn't worked out I Would absolutely kill John Harbaugh duh, but it worked out so he's a genius. Yeah, but if it didn't work fire him I feel like that call on for they on their own 20 19 20. Yeah, I feel like that call was the Harbaugh bowl getting the best of them where he's like I Normally, I wouldn't do this but against my brother. I gotta fuck you got to you got a fucking this This was their Super Bowl for sure their mom and dad were watching was their anniversary. They're watching with Tom Kreen

Yep, that should have been the man in cast last night Dad were watching was their anniversary. They're watching with Tom Crane. Yep, that should have been the man in cast last night Absolutely should have been Jack and Joni and then Tom Crane I I walked away from that game not really changing my opinions on either team like Ravens are really good the Chargers They have to I think the Chargers are good and they have to play perfect to beat a Ravens like team I do wonder little little thought I had when I was watching the game. Is there a chance Hank bet the Chargers to miss the playoff. Well Hank cashed out of his Chargers Super Bowl bet. Right. Pretty much the same thing. Do you think even. I didn't. You did not. I didn't. Are you sure. I'm positive. I'm again DraftKings Sportsbook.

They have a great feature the Barstool betting group. All all my bets go in there so it's trackable. There's there's proof. There's a you know Documented history yeah, no charters to make the playoffs has been placed fully documented history of your troll bets Mm-hmm not troll best just smart good plays if you want to win some money follow me on Doing this here. It's up to units which is positive. Yeah Follow me on job. How's the hungry dog doing this year? It's up to units, which is positive. Yeah Right like you want to be positive when you gamble. Do you want to be positive about things? So yeah, plus two units is good. You want to have a positive mindset. Uh, Derek Henry Continues to be a beast. Yes the return of the running backs and the fact that Derek Henry and Saquon Barclay are complete game changers In today's NFL and I do think that

Some of the reason why they got Derek Henry was just because he's so fucking big that they will they will not forget to put him In the game late on they'll like keep him going, you know, he's a giant looming presence on the sidelines So if John Harbaugh is certain starting to think like let's get cute with it Like we did in the playoffs last year Derek Henry. He's so big that you you're like, oh shit. Yeah, we have that guy Let's keep running him. And he just, he wears you down, he tenderizes you over the course of a game. And it also just further proves what we already know,

but we- I would tackle him by his chain. Yeah, well- Why don't more people do that? Just reach in, grab the chain. Akib Tlaib, he would have fucking ripped his throat out. They, the, when he gets outside and it's just one-on-one, it's,

Saquon Barkley and Derrick Henry are the same, but they do it in a different way. Saquon Barkley, when he gets out in just one-on-one it's it's there say quam Barkley and Derek Henry are the same But they do it in a different way say quam Barkley when he gets out in space one-on-one, you know He's gonna make a guy miss There's just nothing the guy can do Derek Henry when he gets out in space one-on-one The guy just can't tackle him Especially if we're like the NFL has gotten a little the the edge rushers have gotten a little lighter Like the teams are playing, you know, too high safety in the, in defensive, uh, linebackers are a little bit there. It's not Ray Lewis anymore where it's like, you know, these guys in the upper 200 pounds, it's just Derek Henry

can just bowl over people and it we're stupid. We have dumb opinions, but it just needs to be reminded that situation is so, so important in all of sports, but especially the NFL, because if Derrick Henry was still on the Titans and Saquon Barkley was still on the Giants, they'd be having OK years on bad teams and we wouldn't be talking about them. But when you put them on good teams with a ton of talent around them that's hard to defend, you get the best of both, where it's like, yeah,

running backs still do matter, especially when you have an elite one and they're the cherry on, on the top of a really good football team. Yeah. Maybe the giants were right to not pay say well, they were, I, they were wrong to pay Daniel Jones, but I do think I know what you're saying is that like a good running back on a good team is worth the investment. A good running back on a bad team. It'll just kind of make you like a little bit less bad. Like if the, if the New York giants had Saquon Barkley this year, and this is where I feel bad for Giants fans

because it's basically a constant, the clip of Mera and Joe Shane talking in the offseason, that's just being hammered in their head, and memes does the, he's trying to deflect from the Jets where he just keeps posting rushing yards for the Giants, rushing yards for Saquon Barkley touchdowns for Saquon Barkley touchdowns the Giants all those insult stats if Saquon Barkley was on the Giants this year would the Giants have maybe one more win yeah at least like they would still be a bad football team because they don't have everything else they don't have a quarterback so I yeah I

think the the running back position is like, if you already have the foundation and a good team and then you add an elite running back, then it's, yeah, that's where running back becomes very important and takes you to Super Bowl level. It's definitely worth it. And there are a few games where you can look back on and be like, one play really did kind of change

the outcome of this game. And then this one would be Quentin Johnson dropping that wide open pass. And then credit. Probably still would have lost, but that was a 30 yard gain. It was a 30 yard gain at least. And it was huge in terms of what happened right afterwards. They give the ball away, they punt away, and then the Ravens go score a touchdown.

It feels at that point like it's out of reach. Now in that instance, if he catches that, I still, the charges have a pretty good chance to win that game or at least come back and make it very, very close down the stretch. Now I have a question for you about the way Justin Herbert handled that. Yeah. So he drops that. That's kind of been the knock against Quinn. He's had some bad times in the NFL. He's looked pretty good this year. His hands don't always work. They don't always work. It's okay. It happens. So when he drops that pass, Justin Herbert goes back and immediately throws two more passes to him

in the fourth quarter. And he drops both of those as well. Do you think that that was the right thing for Justin Herbert to do, to be like, I trust my guy. I'm going to try to build back his confidence? Or do you think it was very mean of Justin Herbert to keep throwing the ball to him? Or was it dumb of Justin Herbert to keep throwing the ball to him? Or was it dumb of Justin Herbert to keep throwing the ball?

Is there an option C that the Chargers don't have elite wide receiver talent and you gotta kinda just do what you get? Like Joshua Palmer was getting these deep targets. Yeah. It reminds you that the Chargers are- Build the whole team out of lad. Yeah, Gladys McConkie's awesome,

but the Chargers are, I feel feel like an elite wide receiver next year away from being a real real threat Yeah, we said it is like when you throw it to Quinton Johnson in crunch time He's had a nice season. He's kind of recaptured a little of what we thought he was gonna be when he was drafted at TCU But it is a reminder that oh man if they had a T Higgins or, you know, one of these guys, you know, a DJ Moore, or I don't even know, like, you can list a bunch of guys where it's like, even a Jordan Addison.

If they had someone. What if they had Zay Flowers or Jordan Addison, Big Cat? Yeah. Hypothetically. Hypothetically. The two receivers that were drafted right after Quentin Johnson. Yeah, that would be nice. Yeah, I think it's kind of funny that we're talking about the Chargers.

And we're like, they're a good receiver away from being a really good team, which goes to show you how much Harbaugh has completely flipped what the Chargers were on its head. Yeah. Like, the knock against the Chargers in the past was always kind of a soft team. Couldn't run the football.

Couldn't stop the run. Their defense is very good. Yeah, J.K. Dobbins getting hurt was obviously big. Yeah. You can't really rely on him to be healthy. But he's changed the Chargers up so much that they're sometimes winning games that they would have easily lost in the past 10 seasons. And instead we're talking about them like they just need like a great wide receiver. Yeah. There's all the use to have. And it's, it's, I mean, this is a rebuilding year for the Chargers and they're going to be a playoff team. And I still, I a rebuilding year for the Chargers and they're gonna be a playoff team and I still would take, like the Chargers can beat anyone,

again they have to play a perfect game, they can't have the Quinton Johnson drop. I have a fun fact for you about the Ravens and their dominance, you ready for this? The Ravens, the only team to hold the Baltimore Ravens under 20 points this season, who is it? Let's see, they lost to the Raiders, but I think that was a high scoring game. Yeah.

It was recently within the last three weeks. Oh, the Pittsburgh Steelers. Okay. Yeah. So the only team to hold them under 20 points. That's how good the Ravens offense has been. Before that, who's the only other team to hold them under 20 points? The Steelers. Week 18 of 2023 against the Pittsburgh Steelers. Before that, who was the other team to hold them under 20 points? The Steelers. Cowboys. Week 18 of 2023 against the Pittsburgh Steelers. Before that, who was the only team to hold them under 20 points? Steelers. The Steelers, week five of 2023. The Ravens, as long as they don't have to play the Steelers, will just dominate anyone

on offense. Yeah. So the last three times they've been held under 20 points, it's been the Pittsburgh Steelers. That was from Alex Kazura. Kazura, sorry for butchering your name. But yeah, that's what the Ravens offense is. It's just elite. And I didn't even think like Lamar, it wasn't like one of those nights. He had a couple moments where like, holy shit, but it wasn't a true Lamar has taken over this

game. He played good, not incredible. And they still scored 30 points. You didn't have that sick touchdown run where he did the exact same thing he did in his high school highlight day, where he just stopped at the corner and let the guy go right by him. Yeah, did you see? The charges right now, I've got them, what are they? 35 to 1 to win the Super Bowl?

Yeah, well, you don't have them. No, no, I'm looking at the odds right now. Yeah, yeah. You can hop back in. I think I might hop back in on the charges to win the Super Bowl at 35 to 1. What do you have back in on the charges to win super blood 35 to 1 Yeah, what do you have Matt? I have 40 to 1 and 35 to 1 so hop back in Be a friendship thing not you Hank. You're not in the friend group. By the way, you mentioned that Lamar touchdown run

So Kevin Clark had an anecdote. He called the high school coach of Lamar Jackson. Yeah, his name is Don Hannah and Lamar Jackson. His name is Don Hannah and Lamar Jackson did that kind of play against him in high school and Don Hannah said like he was questioning whether he should be a football coach after Lamar Jackson did that he said there's something I'm not doing to put my kids in position to be successful. The feeling stayed with Hannah for a long time. Jackson had made him question his own coaching. Fast forward two years later, and he's watching Florida State and Louisville,

and he can't believe what he's doing against one of the top teams in college football. I feel a lot better. Fast forward another two years later, he's doing against the NFL, and no one can tackle him, and he's like, oh, actually, I'm fine. I maybe should be an NFL coach. Yeah.

So Lamar Jackson had a guy basically questioning his existence for like a five year span off of how great Lamar Jackson is. There's a good lesson in that. Don't blame yourself so quickly for small mistakes that you make. Yes. Yeah. Maybe other people make those mistakes much more publicly than you. Yes. So, yeah. I like the idea though, that the Steelers have built a defense kind of specifically to beat the Ravens. And if you can beat the Ravens, then it'll make you pretty good against everybody else too. Right. Right.

Yeah. You just need to find a way to play the Ravens. It's basically a Kirby Smart Alabama situation. They have one team to beat. If the Steelers ever have to play the Ravens in a Super Bowl, I'm taking the Steelers. Yeah. I mean, you might not beat every team all the time, but if you can beat the Ravens consistently, then you will be hitting probably like 60%, 70% against the rest of the NFL.

Yeah. Okay. Do we have anything else from week 12 before we get in? So the plan today is we're going to talk college football. We're gonna do the Thanksgiving games with the pick. And then we are gonna have an interview with Fred Smoot. And then everyone who wants to stop can stop. If you have to work on Friday, you can stop. Then we're gonna do all the Sunday games. And then we're gonna finish with the interview, great interview with Kirk Cousins. Try to close your eyes and figure out

who's Kirk Cousins and who's Fred Smoot. Yeah. Bet you can't. Yeah, it's gonna be tough. Where's Hot Seat Cool Throne? Hot Seat Cool Thins and who's Fred Smoot. Yeah. Bet you can't. Yeah. It's gonna be tough. Where's Hot Seat Cool Throne? Hot Seat Cool Throne's right before Fred Smoot. So it's basically the regular show, and then we add on Friday's show at the end with another interview for the people.

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victory lap because, and I think I speak for all of us here, we were all on the side of the 12-team playoff rules. The 12-team playoff is going to be great. Anyone who says the regular season won't matter is not seeing the big picture, not the name of the names of Tom Frinelli. We saw on Saturday a chaotic, chaotic scene all across the country in games that would not have mattered if it weren't for the 12-team playoff. Ole Miss, two-loss Ole Miss team losing to Florida.

That game doesn't matter if it's a four-team playoff. Two-loss Alabama losing to Oklahoma. That game doesn't matter if it's a four team playoff. Two loss Alabama losing to Oklahoma. That game doesn't matter if it's a four team playoff. We had Texas A&M losing late to Auburn. That game doesn't matter if it's a four team playoff. So having these games means so much and I know, you know, you'd be like, well, a two loss team shouldn't even be in the conversation. Well, they are now because the 12 team playoff, I loved it. I loved every second of it. It basically started the Saturday started where Indiana was the big loser because of how Ohio state treated them. And by the end of the night, the big winners were Indiana and Tennessee because the sec spent all the early slate watching Indiana lose and being

like told you so we're going to get six teams in and then they piss down their leg and now the SEC is littered with three lost teams that maybe one of them gets in but that might even be too many. Maybe not. Yeah so if you're an Indiana fan your Saturday went as follows. Never daunted. Game starts first quarter. Never daunted. Game starts first quarter, never daunted. Second quarter, I'm starting to feel maybe

a little bit daunted, but I won't publicly say that I'm daunted. A touch of dauntness. Second half, you know what, I'm definitely daunted, and maybe it's okay to be daunted. Maybe we're not ready to be undaunted just yet. Then the SEC games start. We're fucking never daunted. We're

never daunted. Yes. Now you get to point to the scoreboard for SEC teams and anyone that says to Indiana, well, maybe, you know, you shouldn't get your ass kicked by Ohio State and just point to the rest of your schedule being cupcakes. Well, guess what? Now the SEC and teams like Notre Dame, you can't make the schedule argument anymore because Indiana, if you just look at their losses and you look at their wins and their overall strength and schedule, you can't say that you should be in over Indiana anymore. Yeah. So it was crazy.

And now I'm going to take, I'm, I've been a big like pro college football playoff guy since they announced it. I think that having a 12 and eventually 16 playoff is awesome it's good every other sport has a tournament like this I'm gonna take I'm gonna do devil's advocate for Tom Frinelli okay because this thought crept into my head on the drive in this morning is there an argument to be made that teams like powerhouse teams are losing more frequently because they don't have that same sense of urgency

every single week, like you have to be perfect or else you do not get into the 14 playoff? No, I don't think that's the case. I think it's the parity of the NIL and the transfer portal has made it, so it's a lot more flattened out. And it's not like this year is, I mean this year has had chaos, but we still have an undefeated Oregon team.

We still have a one loss Ohio State team. We still have a one loss Texas team. So there still would be a four team playoff that we just never paid attention to five through 12. And now we are. You know what I mean? The conversation on Saturday would have just been Ohio State, Penn State almost losing to Minnesota.

By the way, shout out James Franklin, that fake punt was awesome. It would have just shifted our eyes to we're only watching those four teams play and not the rest of the teams that are still eligible for the playoffs. Like if you're Georgia, you don't think that there's like a small small bit That's like if if you if all these games are must wins they come out

They play just a tiny tiny bit more focused or harder against Ole Miss. No, I mean, I think they play I think Ole Miss was just a better team. They were the better team that day. Yeah Yeah, it was a thought that I had now.'m still in favor of the play. Tom's point I understand Tom's point is that the like Notre Dame losing to NIU in the past would have been a Catastrophic loss that ended their season. You do lose a little of that. I agree with Tom there But Notre Dame's playing good ball right now. Like I know that army I had Notre Dame vs. Army

I thought they're gonna kill them. They killed them. Army was undefeated going into that game. I wanna see Notre Dame, and I don't know if Notre Dame can win the entire thing, but they could probably win a playoff game, maybe two. I do think there's been such a mess at all these, all these like conferences, and wait, I mean, the Big 12 has eight teams still,

still could get into the big 12 championship game. I do strongly think that if your name's not Oregon Ohio State or Georgia you're not going to win the whole thing. But I'm happy about the 12 team playoff. Yeah. So it's kind of like we're going to get to the same thing at the end but it's going to be more fun during the season because you have these crazy results that like Alabama losing to Oklahoma. Alabama already would have had just a disappointing this season is over before Saturday night. Then having that it's like, holy shit. How do you not make the 12 team playoff? You're Alabama.

Could you see Tennessee going on a little run? Tennessee also was a big winner throughout this Saturday. Like everything that had to happen to Tennessee and more happened. Yeah. I said that the Indiana and Tennessee were the big winners the I could I'm still a little nervous about Nico Yeah, but I've seen like flashes here and there from me. He hasn't been good this season Don't get me wrong, but he's had a couple plays a couple games where I'm like Oh, this guy's really good and I anytime I see that out of a young player. I'm like, what if they just become that player? Yeah, the other big winner we should say is the ACC because now SMU in Miami in a collision course

to which I'm not ruling out more chaos happening this weekend. I think rivalry weekend throughout the record books there could be more chaos and we don't even see. But SMU and Miami both of them should get in now with a bunch of three loss SEC teams. They should. Yeah. And Texas A&M by the way is still alive if they should, yeah. And Texas A&M, by the way, is still alive if they win out. So if Texas A&M beats Texas, they'll be in the SEC Championship game. And if they win the SEC Championship game,

they're automatically in. So there's another big story that happened after Oklahoma beat Alabama. Brent Finnebills, the under fire coach, I would say, for Oklahoma. That's fair to call him He spent a Saturday night at a Taco Bell and Norman after beating Alabama He and his daughter spent $94 at Taco Bell

How many daughters I'm gonna guess two? Okay. I'm gonna guess two daughters that's a lightweight that's $94 at Taco Bell between a That's a lightweight. That's $94 at Taco Bell between a football coach and two daughters. He might have had like $70 worth of orders. Yeah. So I don't know how that breaks down, but I do know that that's that's kind of a big boy. It's a big boy order to do that with your daughters. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, hey, he deserved it. They rushed the field twice. Yeah, they rushed the field. There's rushing the field everywhere. Hank already pointed out because he seems to only care about our teams losing PFT that Nebraska rushed the team on Russ the field on this is a big win for Nebraska. Yeah, they deserve it

They haven't they haven't been to a bowl game in like a decade. Yeah been a bad bad football team Yeah, really bad and and shout out our good friend Dana cuz he he turned around that offense Yeah, good. Shout out Dana also news breaking this because he turned around that offense. Yeah. Shout out to Dana. Also, news breaking this morning, Mack Brown has been fired. Oh, I thought he was going to come back. Mack Brown has been fired by the University of North Carolina. He said he wanted to come back after he had tried to retire halfway through the season. He quit.

He quit after JMU beat them, I think it was 70 to 50. Yeah. He quit for 24 hours. I don't even think it was 24 hours. I think it was like to 50. Yeah. And quit for 24 hours. I don't even think it was 24 hours. I think it was like a five hour quit. Remember, he told his team, I don't think I can coach you anymore. And then on Sunday, they talked to Mack Brown's assistant.

And he was like, he'll be at work. He'll be at work on Monday. Yeah, don't worry. He says this all the time. This is Mack. So do you think Mack does it? You think he gets another job or he goes back to TV? I would say he's probably done.

Probably going to TV. Yes. I would say he's probably done probably going to TV Yes, I would say he's probably done. That's interesting because now We'll see I mean if if Kirby smart wins the national title this year We're gonna have that there's how many national title head coaches will be there will there be like There'll be just be Kirby's smart. Just Kirby smart dabble Yep, dabble dabble Jimbo's gone gone. Yeah, hard balls gone hard balls gone Eddow's obviously gone urban Myers gone Saban's gone Saban's gone. I don't know if we're forgetting someone I'm sure we are and fucking this on. No, I don't know. I think we're right. I Think that's it. So if you just be I mean, obviously, Ryan Day or Dan Lanning could could join the

crew this year. Yeah, I think that's it. Right? Yeah. It's crazy. Mac Brown was the was the best part of the trivia question of how many head coaches currently have a national title. Yeah, that was the do no ball question about Mac. Last thing I wanted to talk about with college football. Do you want to do a new segment? A new segment. It's called our unbiased take on the Heisman Trophy race. Okay. Okay. It's hot. Why is it so hot in the studio? All right. So quick, unbiased take on the Heisman Trophy race. I have a

couple of things I would like to say to Heisman voters that might be listening. Listen. Here, put your laptop down. Okay. all right, put my laptop down. I have some stats I have to read as well. I'll find them on my phone. So unbiased take on the Heisman Trophy race. The first thing I'd like to say is, so I believe the Heisman ballots go out on Monday, and you can send them in as early as you want,

or you could wait for Conference Championship weekend to happen. We know how politics have worked in the last, whatever, and you can send them in as early as you want, or you could wait for conference championship weekend to happen. We know how politics have worked in the last, whatever, decade, actually going all the way back to 2000. Fraught with maybe some voter frauds, some irregularities. What I would like to say to the Heisman voters is, send in your ballot early.

Make sure your ballot gets counted. You get that ballot on Monday or Tuesday, you fill it out, you send it right back. So I've read... Nothing in conference championship weekend can change your opinion. Yeah, there's nothing to stop you from registering in multiple states either. Correct. You don't have to worry about signature verification.

If you're in California, I know it sometimes it'll take the voters from California maybe two months to process the votes. So you should get them in now, just so you have a higher likelihood of them getting counted If you look at it, I think it really comes down to two guys big cat. I think it's it's Gentie Mm-hmm from Boise. I judge you having a great years having a great year fantastic here You know they're saying that he's doing things that haven't been done for like 30 years or so I'm holding the thought. I'm holding space for that thought right now.

Unbiased, unbiased, unbiased Heisman Trophy Talk. Can you say that last sentence again? Yeah, Ashton Genti is doing stuff that, you know, people are saying that it hasn't been done for 30 years or so. Yeah, Melvin Gordon in 2014, I can't remember what team he played for. He had 2,587 yards, 7.5 yards per carry, which is the same as Ashton Gentry, 32 total touchdowns. Now Ashton Gentry right now has a little over 2,000 yards and 28 total touchdowns. So he could get to those numbers. Melvin Gordon

played in, I think it was the Big 10. Yeah, and didn't Melvin Gordon, he put up some of those stats against a very vaunted Nebraska defense, didn't he? He ran for 400 yards against Nebraska. A really tough defense with great linebackers another random guy because we've never seen this before Again, Ashton Gentile having a great year. No, no like he's having a great year Monte ball, I don't know where he played 2011 he had just south of 2,000 yards he had just south of 2,000 yards, 39 total touchdowns.

And he was fat. And he was fat, and he did that, I think he was in the Big Ten as well. We also have just random guys, Kevin Smith who played for UCF in 2007, he had 2,500 Russian yards and 29 touchdowns, and Rashad Penny who actually plays in the Mountain West in 2017 had

2248 yards 7.8 yards per carry which is more than Ashton Gentry and 23 touchdowns so it seems like we maybe have seen this before again we're very unbiased here this is our unbiased Heisman Trophy take. Yeah and you know Barry Sanders did it a long time ago all-time great nothing to take away from Barry Sanders. He had some very, very impressive stats that are, I think currently as they stand, better than Ashton Gentry's. So Ashton Gentry is doing stuff that has almost never been done before,

with the exception of those, what, five people that you mentioned? Well actually, I wanna give credit to Ashton Gentry real quick, because he has done something that's never been done before, as far as I know. He had nine total touchdowns against Utah State and Georgia Southern. I don't know if anyone else has done that. So a third of his total touchdowns came against Utah State and Georgia Southern. So he has done something that no one's ever done. Yeah. So, but overall big picture zooming out, very impressive season.

Incredible. I'd say one of the best seasons for running back of all time. In the last five years, five years. Five years. Yeah. Now, wait, Georgia Southern, they beat Ole Miss, right? I don't think so. They lost Ole Miss. Yeah. They had one big, oh yeah. Utah State has four wins. It's Ole Miss. Yeah, they had one big oh, yeah Be James Madison, that's what it was so You're right big cat pretty impressive season

Travis Hunter was the other name that came to mind. Oh, who's for that? He played for I don't even know He plays for the Colorado Buffalo's Ask me what position he plays Pft. What position does he play? He plays two positions, big cat. What? Oh, is he kicker and punter? At the highest of levels. He probably could. He could be like Sammy Ball if you let him.

And he also plays a little bit of quarterback too. They do a lot of direct snaps. So really kind of three positions for the Colorado Buffaloes. He plays wide receiver, cornerback, and yeah, occasionally he'll take some snaps as the quarterback in some running situations. Now he's doing things that nobody has ever done in the history of college football. Not even in the last five, 10 years? Not even in the last five to 10 years, no. And it's like every time you put the ball in his hands, he scores a touchdown, which

is pretty impressive. And he doesn't get bottled up in halves either. I've noticed that. Sometimes you can say about other players, they might be bottled up for a little bit, but you give them enough reps, they're going to break one through. You can't bottle up Travis Hunter. You can't bottle him up. The guy is, he's a beast. He is a ball hawk, and he's dynamic with the ball in his hands. And he's probably going to be invited to be to the awards for the top defensive back in the country and also the top wide receivers in the country.

I believe that's Politnikov and is it Jim Thorpe? Yeah. He'll probably be nominated for both of those awards. I got a question for you, PFT. So does he, what would, cornerback and wide receiver, does he play over a hundred snaps a game? Yeah, even more than that you could say because you don't take into account the penalties

as our good friend Joel Joe clatt Oh tell us so when you look at the total snaps that he plays. It's way over 100 snaps per game Yeah, so all right last question about this guy Travis Hunter who I'm just learning about so he plays both sides He doesn't score touchdowns. Does he all he does is score touchdowns. Did he score a couple on Saturday? He had a pair of touchdowns on but Colorado you Colorado you said he played for Colorado Yeah, they lost to Kansas So did Kansas throw for like a million yards or did they run for a million? No, they ran the football Oh, they ran the football. So actually he he he did his job and he if you watch the game, which I didn't but I'm just Saying I might have watched the game. They just didn't throw at him. Well, he's such a good corner

They don't really throw at him. But even when they don't throw at him, he still manages to get interceptions. That's crazy. Yeah. Wow. Any questions, Hank? No, I feel like we like, it seems like there's no media bias whatsoever. It's not a popularity contest. People are, I've seen people say that. It doesn't really make sense. Like this isn't, it has nothing to do with this popularity or you know, the sexiness of it. It's just strictly numbers. Well, I mean, PFT just explained it like we're it's one guy who we've literally never seen this happen before. And then another guy who we see it happen every five to 10 years. And then also maybe sometimes against better competition in the big 10 Melvin Gordon Monte ball. Again, I don't know who they play for

So yeah, I mean this is a no-brainer if I had a Heisman vote I think I'd go Travis Hunter we we did a bad job this year We didn't really talk about the Heisman much So I'm happy that we're kind of at the end of the regular season when again you should send in your vote early often Right away No, no, come I don't count Conference Championship weekend. No, don't wait. Don't wait to see what happens. Anything can happen. So send in your vote early. And it sounds like it's kind of Travis Hunter.

If I had to vote right now, I think I'd vote Travis Hunter. Whose line is it anyway? You guys said you haven't been locked in, but whose line is it anyway, would you say for the Heisman Trophy right now? I mean, it should be like Travis Hunter minus like 5,000 if everything what PFT said is correct Right now it's Travis Hunter minus 800 my Genie is plus 600 well that's kind of crazy because it doesn't seem like again We're it's something we've never seen before I mean minus 800. It's like basically a sure thing

Tell the truth tell the truth. Tell the truth. This fucking guy! Hank, Hank, Hank, look at me right now. Hold on, I'm putting, hold on. Tell the truth, Hank. Did you bet on Ashton Jintze to win the Heisman? No, no I did not. And if you follow me on the Draft King Sportsbook parcel betting group, you would know that.

At that point, I would almost respect it if you bet on Travis Jintze. That'd be crazy. I bet on Travis Hunter unbiased unbiased Heisman Trophy Conversation is over. I put my sweatshirt back on what the fuck are you doing? What the fuck are you doing? I'm just I'm just you piece of shit thing. I thought I was trying to speed no from the hate. Okay my bad Okay, you just said it was a sure thing. No, no, that's not what I said. Travis hunter I said nine receiving touchdown 74 reception. I got to 911 receiving yards. He's got two carries And a rushing touchdown. Okay, that's a pretty high percentage, isn't it? What's that back to unbiased?

What what is Ashton Genties carried a touchdown ratio? Is it better than? Two carries with a rushing touchdown? Does he score touchdowns 50% of the time? No, definitely not. Does he play defense? He does not play defense. So Travis also plays in the Mount West, which I liked the Mount West, great Mount West. Travis Hunter 23 tackles, eight PBUs, three picks. And oh yeah, he has a forced fumble at the goal line that won his team a game. Wow. Wow.

That's crazy. That is crazy. Hank, I don't like you Hank. Lock it up. Come on Hank. I love you. Fucking clean it up. I love you too.

Alright. Unbiased Heisman talk is over. That was our college football talk. I'm happy for the listeners that we were able to finally talk about the Heisman Trophy, which we haven't done all year. So you think any voters out there just hate Dion so much that they'll take a vote out against him? Well, those people should hand in their vote and don't vote if you're that biased.

Yeah, be a big J. Be a big J and admit your biases. And be like, you know what? I am going to recuse myself from voting because there's a conflict of interest. Yeah. Because Dion wouldn't answer my question at a press conference. Yeah. And vote early, vote often.

We can't say it enough. Make sure you get that in. Conference championship games don't really matter. OK. Let's do our Thanksgiving preview, and then we'll do Hot Seat Cool Toronto and get to Fred Smoot. It is brought to you by our friends at Amazon.

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and you can cancel at any time. It's Black Friday football, the Raiders and the Chiefs at 1 30 pm eastern. It's on prime video. Restrictions apply. See amazon.com slash amazon prime for details. I, by the way, we did that whole thing and I don't know why so pug Max's in Philly pug is I don't know what we have on the TV right now. We have like a They're like a English like artifact and finders. Why are we watching shows? Pug what did you put on the TV? I don't I have max up right now. No, you do not We're watching two British women look at like an old scroll Good furnishing example because it's a pounds. Yeah

Yeah, what a beautiful pair of earrings that we have here. Oh look at this But they actually came from my mom. Through her grannies. Granny. My great granny. Oh, how wonderful. Granny. They are absolutely stunning.

When is this? This is from when we colonized every country in the world. Our Prince Harry is left for the United States, but now he's in a professional separation from his girlfriend. Yeah. Let's not talk about Enderpeening. Misery gave up the kingdom for a girl. A pedophile.

Ah, Max! You're back. I don't know why we had that on. Are you in a bathroom? Max, can you hear us? No, I'm in the basement and my mic just got fucked up again. Oh no. Really? Right before-

Are you pooping? Like seconds before. You look like you're in a bathroom. We should do- You look like you're in a bathroom. We should do an episode where we're all pooping. Oh, that would be good. Part of my poop.

Uh, Max, real quick, before we talk about the Thanksgiving games in the Black Friday game Did you were you able to hear our unbiased Heisman conversation? Yeah, Hank's a fucking asshole Basically Piazza, I were playing a perfect pick-and-roll Hank just showed up and just trip. No, I said it I said basically you got whatever said basically that you just tried to jinx it you know million times I Was doing I was talking I was talking His life he doesn't know how to get out of his life. I did love this is the Brooks This is there's sometimes when I truly sometimes I did like barstool Paul being like all he does is try to make the podcast better

And all you guys hate on him. Yeah, and I mean Hank did a phenomenal job on on Monday's episode I will say that yeah and phenomenal Phenomenal podcast. Yeah, yeah instead of calling timeout to hate like mr. Craft would like him to do he literally calls timeout to hate so he has more time Like I Think it'd be very funny if you had secretly had this entire time like that's where it's like you guys are coming down my throat I'm in the same exact I don't think you did that on purpose, but I think your brain

By said it was a lot you don't know how different I said so basically yeah, that's opening up the idea to Whatever I was trying to play into their bit. How was that playing along? I'm just curious it wasn't a bit by the because I was doing the like you guys I was basically giving the sides of people who are against Travis Hunter And I was giving you guys the opportunity to refute it by being like oh like it's it's a popularity contest No, like oh must be a sure thing then like no There's a reason for why it's not a sure thing and you should vote early. I think there's a great quote by Kurt Vonnegut I think he says we are

What we pretend to be so we must be very careful about what we pretend to be What we pretend to be so we must be very careful about what we pretend to be And I feel like you have pretended to be a troll so much that is actually running through your blood right now I think it's opposite. I think you do your entire career is based off being a troll This whole like the t-word gets thrown around. How do you think I know that negative thing? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right Let's talk Thursday and Friday games Yeah. Yeah. All right. Let's talk Thursday and Friday games. We're going to do one pick each for Thursday or yeah for Thursday and Friday and then we'll do two picks on Sunday. What is the updated standings? Do we have that? I believe Max had two wins last weekend. So Max is now a half game back of me. So he's still in last and I'm one game back of you

big cat. I think you might be one game back of Hank. We're a human centipede of losing picks. Yeah, nobody is above 500. Losers. Me and Hank, 12 and 12, Big Cat, 11 and 13, PFT 10 and 14, Max 9, 14 and one. Okay, so let's talk the games. First up, Bears at Lions.

Lions minus 10 over under 48 and a half. I am on high alert of a very embarrassing Thanksgiving. Yeah, this is a it's bad timing to be playing against the Lions right now as the early game on Thanksgiving. Yeah, because that's going to set the tone for your entire day. It feels. Yeah, I know the Lions lost last year to the Packers. I don't I don't feel good about the Bears chances in this game. Did you guys see Matt Eberfluss? Who? By the way, I, they should fire him after we get embarrassed by the Lions because at this point, I know the Bears have never fired a coach in a hundred years history in mid season. At this point you should honestly tell Caleb like hey we fucked up with Shane Waldron and Matt Eberfluss are bad. We're firing them right now. It's your franchise.

You're going to have a very big part of who we hire next because it's your franchise. So you're saying fire Eberfluss after Thanksgiving? After right after Thanksgiving on Thanksgiving. Leave him in Detroit. Leave him in Detroit. He was asked about the challenge that he had of Jordan Addison where, you know, he might've gone out of bounds and they challenged the play. He says, it always warrants a challenge when you have that big of a game, even if we don't have the best look at what we would have. Yeah, that's not good. He's admitting that essentially, if there's an explosive play, even if you think that

everything was fine, just challenge it because you just want to challenge it. A rage challenge. Yeah, it happens all the time. Coaches challenge a play because they don't like what happened. But they don't admit that. They won't admit it, but he admits it, which is pretty crazy. There should be somebody on that staff that is in charge of watching the plays and telling them when to challenge. That's bad.

It's a bad thing to think. It's a bad thing to do. And it's a pretty terrible thing to admit publicly. Yes. It's almost like he wants to be fired. Do you think, is David Montgomery gonna play? I don't think it matters. I don't know.

Yeah, it doesn't matter. The Lions are gonna do whatever they want on offense because that's the biggest thing is the Bears defense is falling off a cliff. Injury update, will the Lions play going to do whatever they want on offense because that's the biggest thing is the Bears defense is take falling off a cliff. Injury update will the Lions play on Thanksgiving. This is Pug. Pug on the computer. He sits out walkthrough practice. Yeah, the Lions are going to win this game. I don't know what to say. I just hope the kill plays well. The Lions are going to win this game. It's crazy that we are in a world where for the longest time, the Thanksgiving early game where for the longest time, the Thanksgiving early game was the Lions in the midst of a terrible season.

And you have the sad Pilgrim guy taking a nap halfway through the game. Lions is the best team in football. And they get their center stage on Thanksgiving. I wish it wasn't at my expense, but it is. And I understand the deal here. I'm always curious about the pattern of Lions fans on Thanksgiving, because you've had this game

for a very long time. It was only yours. And I think Jerry Jones was like, I want to get in on some of that fans on Thanksgiving because you've had this game for a very long time It was only yours and I think Jerry Jones was like I want to get in on some of that turkey action Give me that the Cowboys should have one too, but it's it's been the Lions tradition. What is the pattern? What do you go through? What is your day look like as a Lions fan? Do you have family over and you all go to the game together? Do you have like a lot of stuff pre-made before you go to the game, then you go home, you pop it in the oven. Do you get a nap on Thanksgiving if you're a Lions fan? I think if you go to this,

or you're saying guys, people who go to the game. People that go to the game, yeah. I think if you're going to the game, the perfect way to do it is you go, you tailgate, and you have everything ready for after the game, and you do Thanksgiving dinner at the tailgate. In the parking lot after the game. That'd be fun.

Which has to hit so much harder if you have a good team. Yeah, or you could actually do it before. I mean, it's 1230 local time. You could do a Thanksgiving, do Thanksgiving dinner at like 1130 and then left. I mean, that's, I think that's too early for regular people, but if you're going to a game, Thanksgiving dinner at 1130,

then leftovers when you get out of the game. Yeah, you might be able to, depending how cold it is. It might keep pretty well in the parking lot afterwards But yeah It's got to be a whole different animal for for Lions fans having a good team to watch a fun team to watch on Thanksgiving hopefully they yeah, you have a good one afterwards because eating a sad somber Thanksgiving every single year like I bet people from Detroit have a completely different Vibe of what Thanksgiving is like from the rest of the country.

Because they had to deal with such shitty teams for so long that they'd be forced to watch in the morning. And then Thanksgiving is probably pretty low down on their list of national holidays compared to the rest of the country. But now it's a celebration. Now it's the best, yeah. Now it's a celebration.

By the way, this is just a fun stat I came across. Since playing the Buccaneers, the Eagles and Lions are combined 16 and 0. So the Bucs are the third best team in the NFC. This is all I got from that stat. Yeah. So 16 and 0. The last loss for the Eagles and the Lions is the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. That's pretty crazy.

The Lions are, it's crazy. I think they're the best at everything Yeah, I really do. I think that I think that they're they have maybe the best running attack in the NFC I think they've got the best. Yeah, Max. This is Max. He said the best at everything Everything I mean that's incorrect, but that's fine. Well, they can't be the best at the best and having Saquon Barkley, but they're also not the best at running quarterbacks. That's true. Lamar and Josh Allen would be I would take them over Jericho in terms of running.

But I'm saying like as a team. Yeah, they might be the best at everything. This is also by the way, the biggest favorite the Lions have been since 1968. That's pretty crazy. So 1968 was the last time they were this big of a favorite on Thanksgiving. So yeah, they usually, it's usually a bad scene. Max, did you do you want to dispute that? What is the what are the Eagles better at? I mean, they're, they're comparable at every single position, their defense and the defense is better. Eagles defense is unequivocally better. OK, they are better at yards allowed per game.

Which is a pretty important thing for a defense. And they are better. They are better at running the football. Which is a pretty important thing for an offense. It's also true. But yet another better at everything. I'd like to walk back that take gracefully. The Lions are better than the Eagles at almost everything. No, this is perfect though, because I love that everybody who doesn't everybody across the NFL has just anointed the Lions, the winners of the NFs. They've anointed the lines as the winners of the Super Bowl. I agree with you, even though when you just look, look at the stats,

the Eagles are right there. Yeah, they're a different team than the first four games since I mean, since Baldiani has come out, they're the best team in football. Yeah. The, uh, yeah, I think the Eagles are right there. I know lions, lions fans have also gotten to the point where they're there. They haven't embraced the fact that they're just like the favorites to win the Superbowl and like they'll just like the favorites to win the Super Bowl and like they'll be mad if you pick against the Lions. It's like if you pick against the team doesn't mean you think the team stinks. It's called a spread.

Right. I'm one and one picking against the Lions in the last three weeks when I had the Texans and then last week I obviously had the Colts. Here's another stat that's going to suck for the Bears. Favorites of over 10 points are nine and0 against the spread on Thanksgiving since 2005 and 11-0 against the spread in the wild card era. So big favorites Thanksgiving, they just crush. Yeah.

All right, next game. Gross. Jerry World. Giants and Cowboys. Cowboys minus four over under 37 and a half. I don't know. This is gonna suck. Is this true luck or are we getting more Tommy?

I think it might still be Tommy. This is a perfect nap game. Yeah. Yeah, good timing. Good timing for the nap. I would like to see Drew Lock start in this game. I don't know if we're gonna get him. But Jerry Jones came out this week. He did his hit on 105.3. And he said, I don't see why we wouldn't be thinking about keeping Mike McCarthy around Giving him an extension so they are thinking about it I also think there's a chance Jerry just might be fucking with Mike McCarthy Yeah, just like he knows he's gonna fire him, but he's trying to be nice guy Jerry in public

Listened he wait. What is that? QB what is that stop typing Giants QB drew lock revealed final request he made a Daniel Jones. What was that? Hold my hair. Can I have your locker? Yeah, they're gonna shoot me She locked jokes. He wouldn't let dinner Jones out of the building after hearing of his release until the four Oh, he just he said he was gonna kidnap him This game's gonna stink one last thing he would do before the team This is so sad the facility if he leaves without doing a jersey swap oh we're going to have a problem because shit I really want a Daniel Jones jersey

Wow I mean you could go to probably Dix and get one for $20 I have a theory I think Drew Locke as you know he's played backup quarterback a few times I think he wants to have the jerseys of all the guys whose jobs he took even momentarily. Yeah. Yeah. Which I guess he technically hasn't. So he needs to get time. Oh no. Yeah. No, he hasn't taken his job yet. Has he been playing scout team safety? He might have. He might have. Yeah. I've taken his job there. Uh, I don't really know this game. I'm probably going to end up betting the Cowboys and it's something weird is going to happen because of the NFL. Does this not don't feel like a great time to, to take the Giants?

Yeah, well, it's just the Cowboys won, the Giants got embarrassed, flip it. Yeah, also, I recall Tommy DeVito's season last year starting pretty poorly, right? Well, he- And then he had a couple games where he looked good. When he came in, yeah, he had, I think there was that Raiders game

that wasn't very good and then he had the Monday night game against the Packers which is great that was big yeah so Tommy Tommy is capable of pulling it together we're telling do Italians do the seven fishes on Thanksgiving yeah I don't know if Tommy's capable I think I think he is what he is we'll see I Would like to have an Italian Renaissance with with Tommy. That would be nice. That'd be a lot of fun Alright, how many crowd shots are we gonna get of Sean Stilato? Oh I don't know if he'll be there. Yo, you don't think so on Thanksgiving with all the cameras on him You think Sean Stilato is more of a low-key guy? Fishes I think that's only Christmas though. Oh, yeah, that is Max. What do you

What are you talking? I was chomping at the bit to correct you on that. There's no seven fishes during Thanksgiving lasagna Lasagna you guys eat lasagna. Yeah is an Italian Thanksgiving thing for sure. Yeah. What do you eat for Thanksgiving? I Everything I go traditional. Oh Okay, next game. Next game. Packers, Dolphins at Packers. The line right now on DraftKings is Packers minus three and a half over unders 47.

Tua in weather under 40 degrees, which I think is gonna be like 20 degrees on Thursday night in Lambeau. He is 0 and 4 straight up, 1-3 against the spread. Yeah, it doesn't... I'm very nervous about the Dolphins chances in a cold weather game. I'm kind of in on 2a though, being a destroyer of narratives. Well, here's the thing. The Dolphins are in a weird spot because they are 5 and 6. They have the chance to make a run here

down the stretch. They have been a good team when two has been playing and they've been an obviously terrible team when he's been out. Why not have this be the game that you destroy the cold weather narrative? I would like to see, cause we're taping this early. My big thing is like, is Mike McDaniel making too much of the cold? Because remember when he did the t-shirts Before the Buffalo game and it's kind of one of those things where if you talk about it so much That's all you're gonna think about he's probably let it be cold. He's probably watching film on the weather Yeah, he's probably got the boys in the meeting room tuned to weather.com and showing stuff on the on the big screen about it

I I don't know. This makes no sense to me It makes no sense why I would right now start to believe that the Dolphins can win a cold weather game. But for whatever reason, the fact that Tua talked about it, I think I'm in. I think I'm in on the Dolphins winning a game. How cold? It's going to be like 20 degrees in Green Bay on Thursday night. I want to see what kind of haircut T it comes out with if he has a fresh haircut He's not winning that you got the frosted tips right now. That's perfect for the cold

Yeah, but if he has like if he hasn't worried about her cut though if he hasn't worried about getting a shape up if he's got You know stray hairs looking kind of shaggy. That's a that's a quarterback that can win in cold weather I'm not a hater But quarterback that can win in cold weather? Um, I'm not a hater, but if I were going to be a hater and I was trying to get some copium going and be desperate to try to tell myself the Packers are not that good, I would maybe point out the fact that the Packers, I believe have only beaten one team over 500. Okay. So I think it's just the Houston Texans would be the only team. Are the Cardinals exactly 500 right now? I think the Cardinals are exactly 500. Are you saying that the Packers are fraudulent? I'm just saying if I wanted to say, you know, hey, look at this. This is interesting. The Houston Texans are the only

team they've beaten that are over 500. They've beaten the Colts, the Titans, the Rams without Cooper Cup and Pukka Nkua, the Cardinals, the Texans, the Jaguars, the Bears and the Niners without Brock Purdy. Interesting. Oh, I guess the Cardinals. So Cardinals and Texans. Cardinals are six and five. So Cardinals and Texans, two are six and five so Cardinals and Texans two teams Did you say if I had to just say that so that the Dolphins record on Thanksgiving is what seven and? One two three five and two five and two okay, that's that's something I don't even remember the Dolphins playing on Thanksgiving that doesn't even 2011 was the last time yeah, yeah, so that doesn't even two thousand a weapon was the last time yeah yeah that doesn't

even feel like a real thing and i think all these games were indoor this is the first time the dolphins have played outdoors on thanksgiving huge huge storyline oh destroyer of narratives man sure he's like khaleesi uh okay last game friday black friday works pump for this game right hank pumped pumped chiefs raiders raided chiefs minus 12 and a half over under 42 and a half Friday, Black Friday, works pumped for this game, right Hank? Pumped. Pumped. Chiefs-Rators, Chiefs-12.5 over under 42.5. Aiden O'Connell? I think we're going back to AOC. We're just skipping over Desmond Ritter.

Yeah. The only take I really have on this game is I think this is, I know the Chiefs big spreads have been, they don't cover big spreads very often especially on the road. So they're home here and they also struggled a little against the Raiders. Uh, I think this is a get right game for the Chiefs defense because they gave up 30 points to the bills. They gave up 27 points to the Panthers. They've hit a little bit of a low. I think this is spags being like, Hey guys, this is

a no Connell. If I don't get three turnovers this game and you know, and like five sacks, we got problems. So let's let's really do let's do what we should do and what we're we're built to do and just smother them as a defense. Do you think Antonio Pierce pays attention to the spread? No. You don't think so? No, because remember he kicks field goals in weird time. Yeah, but some of those weird times where he kicks field goals are very convenient for the spread. I think he doesn't care about the spread. He just is addicted to kicking field goals and sometimes that helps us. Sometimes it accidentally. Yeah, because he is addicted to kicking field goals. Yes.

Yeah. That feels like the, because what why because they covered last time uh no they they lost by 10 what was the spread of that game with the broncos oh no they they did not cover that they did not cover the broncos reminded but did they try to do something at the end of that game no i'm thinking of the the the there's one in the chiefs game they played earlier this season they were kicking a bunch of field and i think it was the rams too the rams earlier this season i want to say they they were down maybe nine points late and kicked a field goal to get within six. Yeah, he might.

He might pay attention to the spread. Either way, this game. I'm paying attention to whether or not Antonio Pierce is paying attention to the spread. I got my eyes on this game because this is what, this is my personal, the Chiefs better just smush the Raiders. Otherwise, I'm not gonna just go off the record.

I'm gonna go off how they're playing. Yeah. Does that make sense? Like they have to, the conversation about the Chiefs being 10 and one, I think there's 64 teams that have started 10 and one in the NFL in like the Super Bowl era, there's 63 out of 64 point margin.

Okay. So I'm gonna start really, if they win this game by six or three, I'm going to start leaning into that and being like, I don't believe this 11 and one. If they win this game by two scores or more, that's exactly what they should do. Smash the bad teams. Yeah. I could also see this being the max Crosby game. Max likes to show up in very important games. Just to remind people that max Crosby game. Max likes to show up in very important games. Just to remind people that Max Crosby is like a great defensive player, even though he's stuck on a shit team. Yeah. I believe it was the chief scheme that they kicked a field goal to cover

the spread. Yeah. Eight and a half. Yeah. Earlier this year. What were you gonna say? I was looking at the, uh, yeah. So the Rams one as well. Yeah. Yeah. Rams was a big one. So it was a seven point spread. I believe they were down nine. Yeah. And they kicked a very sad field goal at the end to get it within six. Yeah. Yeah. What were you gonna say? The other thing? Oh, I forget. I was just talking about Max Crosby. Like we have forgotten a little bit about he's gotten lost in the sauce this year. Yeah. Because there's been really nothing to pay attention to, especially their defense as a whole has been bad. And I feel like he,

he shows up occasionally on these standalone games where everyone's like oh, yeah, remember the condor Yeah, absolute monster the this game Man, I just I'm excited for it. That's all I really have wait. I think I have a question for Hank Yeah, Hank does the NFL make sense? Yeah, this is a big question no oh it doesn't okay no this it would make absolutely no sense if the Raiders beat the Chiefs on Black Friday right no but an air inner division game yeah I think

this might be my the NFL doesn't make sense game because Pug just pulled up the remember the first time they played this was the Mahomes Kermit the Frog he said that it will be handled when it's handled then they didn't he well they cut they beat him, but he didn't cover Yeah, no, you're right. You don't get handle you don't get to Kermit the Frog games But he also said it will hand it will be handled when it's handled Maybe he meant when they come to Kansas City has you actually say when it would be handled He just said it will be handled when it's handled. You think they delayed the handling of it? Well, it's very genius of him because he can just wait

till they beat the Raiders by like 30 points and be like, all right, you see that? That's exactly when it was gonna get handled. Handled. Told you it was gonna get handled. I mean, last weekend playing down to their opponent, Panthers look good. Panthers offense looked good.

Yeah, but that you're doing last weekend, this weekend. Like Panthers was the, the NFL doesn't make any sense So would you rather have you're chasing you're chasing the NFL doesn't make any sense Hi, who do you trust more Bryce Young or price young AOC? But okay, the NFL doesn't make any sense But price young but the NFL doesn't make sense 11 point and and the Panthers were in that game I feel like that was the game the NFL doesn't make sense. They were 11 point and the Panthers were in that game. I feel like that was the game. The NFL doesn't make any sense.

I've talked myself into the radar. You can hear me getting stupider and making worse and worse. Are you saying money lines? Because that's all that matters. But the NFL doesn't make sense. Because if the Chiefs win by 10, it's not like. Raiders money line. OK.

Wow. Wow. This also will be our definitive, is Sh should or Sanders tweeting after Raiders loss or is he tweeting after going to church? Yeah games on a Friday So we'll find out well, he preemptively did it last week. Yeah, so we'll find out All right. Let's do our picks then we'll do hot seat cool thrown and get to Fred Smoot. Who's up first? This shouldn't count. It's no sneak But this actually counts more because there's less to choose from. I guess you want it to not count. Who's up first? It would be PFT.

So I'm fine with it not counting. What do you want to do? We count it every year, don't we? No, no, no. He's saying it shouldn't. You should get to go first this time. And now I guess you're right. You're right. PFTy should just go first I mean, there's he there's only four games. Yeah, so he it is a benefit to go first. Mm-hmm. Yeah, okay I'm gonna take the Lions Okay until further notice. How do you not take the Raiders after this after that whole speech cuz I'm taking the money line That's crazy lines. Why don't you take the Raiders plus 13 if you're gonna? You're taking the money line, but you don't want to feel you're 13 points. I'm diversifying. I'm diversifying Raiders you just gave us the speech. How can I not diversify my but I'm going to bet the Raiders money line on my own

But I Hank Hank we're a national football podcast. I would feel a little sports podcast national podcast I would feel irresponsible giving out a pic like that to the listeners that tail us every weekend and live and die with our bets And if you do that, you're an idiot by the way, because we're awful at game 13 points Wait, what do you mean? You'd feel terrible. I don't want to endorse that Publicly and tell people like hey, you just did yeah you did I'm not I'm taking the lines until you're betting the money line But you're not you don't feel confident giving them 13 points, correct But you feel confident them winning. I don't feel confident them winning

I am going to do it because I want the rush of being right about something. Okay, but that doesn't Your dear playing both sides Yes, you want the you want the rush of being right about something you're not making your official pick So then if the Chiefs kill him, yep can be like, oh, I never said that. No, yeah. Okay. I don't want there to be any consequences to being wrong. Okay.

How is that a new phenomenon on this podcast? So you're doing a free bet. I'm doing a free bet, free roll on the Raiders. A free bet, audio free bet. But I'm taking the Lions until further notice. Yeah, all right. I'll take the over in Bears Lions over 48 and a half I will take the under in Dolphins Packers under 47

Good pick Hank. Thank you. I'm taking the over in Giants Cowboys 37 and a half Although I did that last week and I was like Tommy DeVito can't score and the Bucks almost did it on their own Yeah, but but it didn't have a rush. Yeah, it's not a video can't score Yeah, so you're right max, but it was more of a it was more of a sweat that I was expecting max I disagree with PFT. I will be taking the chiefs minus twelve and a half. Oh, okay I was actually gonna take the chiefs if it came back Okay I was actually going to take the Chiefs if it came back. OK. Let's do Hot Seat Cool Drone brought to you

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He's probably game-pointing. I don't think he's he doesn't need recommendations. I'm sure he's just kind of like a hotel prep Maybe go do some jujitsu gonna leave something for him at the hotel Maybe yeah, I gotta find out where they're staying But yeah NBA Cup it means more sad. I don't can see the the court in person Hmm, just unfortunate scheduling. I would like't get to see the court in person. Just unfortunate scheduling. I would like to talk to the schedule makers next year. Yeah, make sure they get that.

How are we doing with our bets on the NBA Cup? Good question. I think you and I are both 5-1. So we'll put out our, if you're listening to this, reminder, every Tuesday we put out all of our bets on all of our socials. PFT and I think are five and one. This is, we're playing for a free bet, $10,000 free bet, I think.

Pretty cool. So NBA Cup, I love the NBA Cup, and I am actually a believer in the courts. I like them. I do too. Have you seen the red ones? Yeah, I know. Makes you feel different.

You can't really see, I just like something different because otherwise the NBA Cup was stupid In my mind, I'm I'm I'm I'm totally a sucker admitted sucker. They're doing color rush. Yeah I just like to be able to see the basketball. Yeah, that's overrated Yeah Okay Cool my cool thrown is a biz nasty. Oh, yeah. He was my cool thrown as well Paul business animals lose pft My cool throne is a biz nasty. Oh, yeah, he was my cool thrown as well Paul business net News you lose PFT

Are you went first? Yes, you should have tried to go first uh He Report came out that he got in a in a fight in a restaurant and then when the details of the report came out He's just like he's like He's like two men in one like he's he's so much more manly than anyone I can even like all of us combined aren't equivalent to the man that business Yeah, he's basically he was at a restaurant that he goes to a lot sitting by himself Saw a bunch of like a group of eight drunk golfers

Gone out of their mind trying to order a drink in the bartender told him no like you can't drink in this area They were getting mouthy and he just stepped in to try and diffuse situation And they just started fighting him eight on one and he they were getting physical with the with the manager Yeah, the guy was assaulting the manager and and Paul is like a fucking superhero. Yeah, he got up He's like I saw that they were unequipped to kind of handle themselves or a smaller guys So nobody's sticking up for these guys So I said, you know what? I'm gonna tell these guys where So I said, you know what?

I'm going to tell these guys where to stick it. And then he got up in the dude's face was like, stop assaulting the waitstaff or we're going to go outside. And then one of the dudes punched him from the side and then a couple of times you got boot fucked outside the boot. It got back up. I'm sure he fucked these guys up a little bit. Yeah.

Seven guys. He said that he dropped one of the guys when he got bum rushed outside. I can't wait to see the CCTV. And he wants, he wants the guys names. He wants to take, I think the way he put it was like, I want all their names. I want to take them all out behind the barn one-on-one. Yeah. Which is awesome. And he said he dropped all the charges if he could just take these guys one-on-one. Yeah. Rough and rowdy. He looks great too. I mean, obviously they really, really fucked his nose up pretty badly. Yeah. He's going to probably need surgery. But but besides that he not a scratch on his face

What did he say can you play the start of the video real quick? He's business the best we love this Yeah, and he's just I mean he is just so manly the fact that seven guys Now just get I just get knocked I'd probably die. He's like he there's a strategy to he's like You know you can't stay still you got to keep moving backwards because you know If they get you on the ground then you get fucking what was he calling it fucked boot fuck I got boot fucked in the CVS parking lot boot fucked. What do you say started again? Again, I just wanted to pop by because the news is out there, and I'm getting a lot of texts and calls Love you guys. Thank you guys all for reaching out and checking in. Took a few, gave a bunch.

I just wanted to kind of address what happened last night. I think it's, took some, gave more. You hear it from my mouth. Wait, what? I don't know what's kind of, I know there's a few articles that came out and news is floating around but long of the gist of it and I addressed the whole thing and talked way more in detail on tomorrow's Spitting Chips podcast. Like it just so happens this happened last

night. Today was a recording day and to be quite frank, it was kind of nice to hop on with the boys and just have some laughs and what do you say about the restaurant for hours? So he said go to dinner at this place called Houston's. I go there like three, four times a week. Some of the staffs and all Scott's down and just like good people. And I love going there. He kept saying, I thought he said it was a family joint or something. Oh, he kept saying family restaurant. Oh, yeah, I mean it It is a chain family restaurant. Yeah, there's a family restaurant I actually listened to spin chicklets this morning to hear the full story from from biz and yeah, he's like it's a great restaurant very militaristic

very militaristic He's the best, I fucking love him so much Yeah, he said A1 guy He said it's an awesome restaurant It's like a military It's like going to eat at the military pretty much What does that mean? So he wants the guys names I'm tracking down their names right now

I'm trying to get the names to Biz And I can't wait to see what he does Biz is, this is the ultimate good guy move that he pulled and it's dangerous What he ended up going through like if you if you fight seven guys at once and you get knocked on the ground and they Start kicking your head like that's some dangerous shit He's a bad-ass imagine blacking out in Scottsdale with your boys I mean I I guess we would never be in situation where you just fucking fight a random guy, but no

These guys got in a fight blackout drunk woke up in jail, and then I was like yeah The guy you got in a fight with is biz he's asking for your name One with you he has a national podcast yeah global podcast he's Canadian So he's a worldwide podcast international podcast mm-hmm, and he's coming for your neck. Like this is just the beginning He is just the one guy like if you're like, hey someone at bar So got jumped and he was fine and now wants to fight him on so yeah biz Yeah, and also somehow like just the way he explains things. I mean I it's why they're spitting chicles So popular like wit wit and biz just the way they talk I could just listen to forever. Yeah, it's him

Yeah explaining the whole thing. But what is what was the mellow? What do you say the? It's a very militaristic Organization yeah, I'd organization this great guy all-time, dude I can't wait to see what he does once he finds out who this is a start of his John wick story Yeah, like I want to kill John wick's dog. Imagine Ruffin Rowdy just a tournament one right after the other. They should have to do it on the ice. Yeah it knocks him out. Yeah you want one? Ruffin Rowdy on skates. You know so one thing that Hank conveniently omitted from his story these are a bunch of golfers. Yeah a bunch of golfers.

I know he did say okay Everything Hank says You're just choosing narratives and then just spitting them out there all right your hot seat cool Toronto that was your cool throne So what was your hot seat? My hot seat is Drake. Oh, yeah, explain this to me. So Drake's on the hot seat. You're probably gonna screw this up Drake Yeah, I had this on my hot seat. I didn't want to I don't know too complicated out on this So I I made it conspiracy. I read going to I read a few headlines and then I just saw people talking about it online So this is what I believe happened Drake is suing his own record label. Yep, UMG. Because he's claiming that they artificially inflated

the stats on Kendrick Lamar's Not Like Us diss track, which was the track that ended the battle this summer. Just absolutely destroyed him, the one certified pedophile. That one. So Drake is suing his own record label because he's claiming that there were like bot views that gave him like millions of views and downloads and listens on his song.

And he's saying that ended up being bad for his career because now everyone's talking about how great this song was. He's not familiar with the Streisand effect where now, first of all, if you call the cops and get like the courts involved because you lost a rap battle, that might be the worst look of all time agreed and then you're only

driving more attention to Kendrick Lamar agreed who I get the only person that had a worse beef with with Kendrick than Drake would be father John Misty did you see that story no so I'm not up to date on any of these stories so I think it's like the last six times father John Misty has put an album out. Okay. Kendrick Lamar has put an album out that same day. Oh shit. And Kendrick like sneaked drop one.

Who the fuck is Father John Misty? You don't know Father John Misty? He's very popular. He's a singer-songwriter. Okay. But um. Is he, is it religious? No.

Yeah, why is his name Father John Misty? That's just kind of his name. Okay. But no, he's very popular. So for the last, I think six albums that he put out kinder put out an album on the same day Just completely stealing all the shine and then last Friday Father John Missy had an album coming out and then kinder like very sneakily dropped one that nobody saw coming Like a couple hours after father John misty had like a little bit of time to be like finally I got away from kinder

And he's just on the way kinder is gonna put it out again, but yeah, I I think I'm gonna go out on a limb and say this is a bad strategic move on Drake's part. Yeah, I'd agree I don't know I think that's where I get I was trying to get in the weeds and I was like this is but I the more I Like to know the more I think Drake might like he's not going after Kendrick. He's going out to the label The UMG tried to say like you're not mad at us. You should be suing Kendrick Lamar and he's like no I'm coming at you. It's just like there Closet that they're not trying to the headline of Drake's suing

Based on the like I think Drake knows that and he's like, I'm gonna I'm gonna people are gonna You know say I'm being a pussy and like I'm a sore loser But this is for the greater good and I'm coming at the label. Yeah, but I'm I'm started I don't understand any of this. All I saw was Drake suing in relation to Beef with Kendrick Lamar and I ended my judgment of the whole thing right there. He's calling like damn He called he called the cops. He called Kendrick. He called the cops because he got beat in a rap battle. Yeah. Yeah Alright my hot seat is anyone who's trying to go after John Fanta on Twitter spaces. I don't know if you guys saw this last night, but Fanta, I think it was a Cincinnati fan was mad at Fanta for his bias for Xavier over Cincinnati.

If you look over the course of the last several seasons, John Fanta has his bias for Xavier over Cincinnati. Well, if you look over the course of the last several seasons, correct. John Fanta has been saying that Xavier is a better basketball program than Cincinnati. But it happened on the court. Yeah, I play it real quick. This is Fanta in all his glory. Adam go. Hey, John, thanks. Just following up on the cross down shootout. How bad did it hurt to finally rank Cincinnati ahead of your buddy Sean Miller this week? This guy sucks. Didn't hurt me one bit. Adam. I do my I do my job since then

he's better than Xavier right now. You've had you've had Xavier ranked ahead of him all season until this week. I just I figured it had to hurt. I know your buddies are Sean. I mean, just you know, I got a job to do, Adam. So Adam, you call me up. This is where it gets over. This is where it gets over. And you wanna tell me it must hurt me to rank somebody over somebody else? I've seen the media bias in Xavier's favor

for the last several years, and now it's kind of a- Yeah, they've been a better program! They hit Cincinnati's butt! They've been a better program by a wide margin. Frankly, Cincinnati, we've been waiting for this version of Cincinnati. Cincinnati's been, their butts have been kicked. You're using the past couple years. No, no, no, no, no. You're using the past couple years. That's your argument?

Xavier's been better than Cincinnati in every facet. There's a media bias. I go off score. The scores of the game were Xavier over Cincinnati. You want to tell me about how I feel about stuff? I don't lose sleep over who wear I rank a team. I lose sleep over whether I took the trash out on time, whether I picked up the right groceries for my wife if I'm taking care of her right now in the Cleveland Browns. I didn't lose any sleep over the matter but I might lose sleep because of you happy Thanksgiving happy Thanksgiving Johnny go Browns no you don't get to salvage the call I want to make that shirt all

right so you don't get to salvage the call so Fanta is he's given off strong strong lawyer vibes if I ever get arrested for anything Yeah, I want John Fanta representing me in court bring that same passion. He sounds like Matt lock. He's the best He's just the best. He just brings it to the people. He's ready to get in the mix with the people You don't get to salvage a call John Fanta and then my cool throne is our Black Friday Cyber Monday And then my cool throne is our Black Friday Cyber Monday sale. So we have new people in asking. The new part might take hats.

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So now you don't feel like an outsider. You wanna talk about inclusion? This is inclusion at its finest. Yeah, and no one can talk like you, so let's talk some ball. I mean, are you watching every game? Are you still tuned into every game? Are you still like, man, why haven't you coached, by the way?

No, I ain't gonna do it. Why? I was blessed with the gift of GAL. Yeah. And guess what, I do go help. I help my sons, I help his friends, I train them sometimes. Coaching is a lot of damn time.

Like, you gotta realize, Coach Gibbs, I remember when he asked, a lot of people don't understand this. I actually kinda spring realize Coach Gibbs, I remember when he asked, a lot of people don't understand this. I actually kind of springboard Coach Gibbs to coming back to football. I was actually driving home after the season after Coach Spurrier quit on us. When Coach Spurrier quit, the people at ESPN say, hey, come do an interview right quick. And I'm just talking outside of my head.

And the last question they asked me was, gonna be our coach and I was like the only person could save us is Coach Gibbs. He happened to be at watching ESPN at that time with his wife. The only thing coach said he didn't want to do was ask his wife can he go coach again because it's just so much time. Right. And she looked him in the face and said you do want to go coach again. He was like yeah I do. Two days later he was our head coach. Wow. Thank you. That's how it happened. So I could watch coach Gibbs come in there on a Monday. He don't actually get to see Mitch Gibbs to a Thursday night off Friday. He spends the night there. Yeah. And all the coaches I watching my friends

that doing coaching now I was like man and I cannot give football that much more of my life. Yeah, I'd rather talk it. I enjoy talking it, because I can get in and out of it. I can do my studying beforehand, and I can spew it out, and I can get going back to my life. I love it. That's smart. Yeah, you are very good at it.

Could anybody talk shit with you? Was there a receiver that you'd be matched up with that would give you back? Oh, my classmates. If you look at my class, the 2001 class, I want y'all to go back through this class, draft pick for draft pick, we might have the most dense class in each position. Quarterbacks, Michael Vick, Drew Brees, running backs, LaDani and Thompson,

I can just go on with the running back, we have tons of running back. Wire receiver, one of the best talkers of all time, Chad Johnson, Steve Smith, that ain't even getting into the Santana, Mosses, DeResi, Waynes. And I'm getting into all them guys. Then we got the Richard Seymours. We got guys at every position you can think of.

It ain't a position we didn't have in that 2001 draft. That 2001 draft, when it's all said and done, we might have 10 Yellow Jackets in that draft. Damn. Wow. So I'm looking at the list pretty good, but was there something, like Chad was the guy that on the field, he could give it back to you? Me, Chad, and Steve Schmidt was all in junior college at the same time, with Dion Branch, Javon Walker, all us in junior college at the same time.

So we yapping at each other before we even on Saturdays. Once we get into the Saturday part up, we yapping, then the league comes, and all us kind of transforming to who we are. So the junior college thing, I feel like I've never really dove into it, but what was the decision to go to junior college? Was it like you didn't have any offers?

And then how does it work where you're in junior college and are there guys that are like, hey, these guys are going somewhere else, and then you're playing with guys who are like, hey, this is the limit. How does that all work? Well, to me, I had the academics, I had everything, but I was about 165 pounds. I was skinny.

And I did not, all my colleges they recruited me, of course they smart, they want me to redshirt, they want me to put on some pounds, they want to protect me. And I'm like, no, I want to play football. Like, Fred Smoot just sitting on somebody's campus being a regular student ain't gonna work for me. I need to play football. So luckily I had one of the best junior colleges

in America down the street from me, Heinz Junior College. By the time I make it there, Grady Jackson, Michael Myers, all these guys leaving, they on a two-peat. I come there, we three-peat national champions. We whooping everybody around the nation. So I was like, yeah, I'm gonna go here,

win me a couple of championships, then I'm going Division I, because I do not wanna stop playing football. I wanna get better, game in and game out. And a lot of my draft class, we was all in junior college together. So that's what the big thing about junior college, it gives you a chance to do what the other guys

can't do that's, like, because Ole Miss wanted me to come. They were like, come on, we want you to come on camp. And I was like, no, no, no, no, no. Now, like they say, a item item mine is the devil's workshop. I'm like, no, Fred Smoot needs reps. I need the rep. And I need to rep against the best. That's one thing about junior college,

ain't no age restriction, ain't no, you can play against some grown men. So it's a whole different, the better you oughta be. So I enjoy junior college because you taught me lessons, man. So you were there for two years? Well, year and a half, two years. Year and a half. But when you're playing junior college you're obviously always thinking like hey the next step is I want to go to division one. And so after you do a year and a half in division college,

were the offers flooding in or was it? Oh yeah they were flooding in when I was coming out of school. They just all wanted the same thing for me. And that's not to play football. And I wasn't willing to do that. So now when I, my second chance to get recruited, now I'm getting recruited. I'm the number one defensive back in junior college. So now I'm getting recruited by everybody

like I was when I came out, but now they want me to play. And luckily, my coach Jackie Shera, one of the greatest college coaches of all time, baby, he recruited like seven of us from junior college. We was, one of the greatest college coaches of all time, baby, he recruited like seven of us from junior college. We were the top of the opposition. We came to Mississippi State and for the next two years we had the number one defense in college football, giving up I think nine points a game.

So he understood, I need to go get players that's ready to play now because the worst thing that can happen to you at junior college is sitting because we play on Fridays. I'm watching football all Saturday. All I do is watch SEC, so I'm watching champ Bailey, I'm watching everybody, and I'm like, I can play with these guys. So you itching to get to play with these guys, and you know you don't have the time that they got. So once you get there as a junior, ain't no sitting no bench.

You got to be ready to play now. Right away, yeah. Did you think about leaving the state, or was it always you're going to stay in play now right away. Yeah Did you think about leaving the state or was always you're gonna stay in Mississippi? Oh, no I was thinking about leaving the state I almost went to Indiana with Randall L Randall L and his brother was in Indiana with coach cam And he was gonna let me play both ways while receiving cornerback. I almost went to West Virginia They literally had seven pros on their team So I was taking trips at first I was only taking SEC trip because you know

It's SEC against the world where I'm from. But then after I say I get recruited again, I say I'm gonna do what I didn't do the first time and I'm gonna give other visions a chance to recruit me. And that's what I did. I got to go see some great schools. And by the way, I really love Bloomington, Indiana.

The times that I can remember, because it was a blur for the whole weekend. It was great in Bloomington. Wait, so at what point did you decide you're not gonna play both ways? Because we've talked about it obviously all this year, Travis Hunter playing both ways. It's insane.

Like, I don't think people understand how hard it is to never come off the field. It's hard, especially at the rate he's doing it. Usually, I was gonna do it similar to champ, like I got to play offense at Mississippi State. But it's trick plays. It's a package. It's a package.

It's not you are a wide receiver and you are a full time corner because it's just usually, it's just too, acts in too much, not too much when it comes to being in shape, but too much mentally. Like imagine this guy has to, he had to take that whole defensive playbook, then come around and remember the whole offensive playbook.

That's a lot. Luckily he's been a part of Coach Prime's team since he was a freshman. It makes his crossover to that very easy. But I think what it takes on the body, the toe, what it takes on you mentally, most guys can't do it. And I think when he gets drafted, Trav, they will draft him as a corner and they will spot play him as a wide receiver. because if he gets on a pro team He could legitimately be your best corner, but he's probably gonna be your third best receiver Yeah, yeah, yeah, so it's gonna be a similar thing like where they have different packages Yeah, they have a package for you too. I can see that happening

But also I can see a team saying no because he's skinny like me Yeah, like when we like pro in college two different things. Yeah, I don't a team saying no, because he skinny like me. He's like, when we eat, like, pro in college, two different things. I don't know if he can take that 17 game, pro, helping to check, receive with that six five, 230 pounds, and then turn around and catch on DBs like Jalen Ramsey. I don't know if you can do that.

You also don't want him going across the middle. Well. Or like taking big hits. Well, the thing about it is, I can't put you in and don't know if you can do that. You also don't want him going across the middle. Well. Like taking big hits. Well, the thing about it is, I can't put you in and don't do stuff. Like if I put you at wide receiver, you can't have limitations. We're going to play. Because if not, us at the cornerback position, we're going to know he ain't going across the middle.

I'm just going to play him outside. I'm going to pick the ball off. It's simple, man. It's got to be nice for a cornerback to play wide receiver every now and again, because then you get those flags occasionally. Every time you touch a wide receiver, I feel like cornerback is the hardest position to play wide receiver every now and again because then you get those flags occasionally, right? Like every time you touch a wide receiver, I feel like cornerback is the hardest position to play. It gives you permission to be a diva.

Yeah. When you get to play a little wide receiver, you can do a little crying. Yeah. You can go over there and say, it ain't fair what you're doing right there. And like the one thing about receiver, it's turned into that it position.

Like every kid on the playground now wants to be a receiver. Back when I was coming up, Dion was so hot. All us ex-receivers, we wanted to be a cornerback. The cornerback was the glamour position. But because of college and the NIL and Jamar Chase and all these type of players, it's back to the wide receiver position.

It's that it position that everybody wants to play. Yeah. Is it true that a cornerback is a wide receiver that can't catch is that it position that everybody wants to play. Yeah. Is it true that a cornerback is a wide receiver that can't catch and that's why you got moved? Hey listen man, like they always say man, a grasshopper tell a lie to a horse if you let him. They always say that. I tell you, they do.

They do in Mississippi. Yeah, yeah. Right? Receive, I mean DBs can catch, cause think about it, what's harder to catch, a ball that's meant for you, a ball that's not meant for you. So for me to go steal this ball, I gotta anticipate jumping from,

catch a ball that don't belong to me, steal this ball. That's the one thing about a cornerback. A cornerback is somebody that you don't take to church with you. We're taught to lie, lie, this is how we lie to ourself. You can beat me for 80 yards, I still turn around and tell you, oh I'm the shit, it's me. So I'm lying to myself, I have to lie to ourselves. You can beat me for 80 yards. I still turn around and tell you, oh, I'm the shit. It's me.

So I'm lying to myself. I have to lie to myself. We talk the cheap. I gotta stop you by any means necessary. Sometimes I hold you, sometimes I won't hold you, sometimes I do this, I do that. And we paid to steal. The more we steal, the more rich I am.

So everything that you do as a cornerback is kind of got this bad boy connotation to it. So you have to mentally be strong to play that position. Did you ever do the trick where you'd find out what color jersey your opponent was gonna wear and then wear those gloves? And I'm gonna wear the same club gloves. Yeah, so if they wear white jersey,

I'm gonna wear white gloves. They wear black jersey, I'm gonna wear black gloves. Yeah, so when I'm holding them, you'll never know it. See, that's them OG tricks. You be in the league five, six years before you start to do stuff like that. Luckily, when I came into my meeting room, imagine walking into this meeting room.

As a rookie, I get drafted. Martin Schadenhain would drive me to the commanders. Washington, it was Redskins at the time. I walk into the meeting room. D'yon Sanders sitting in there. Daryl Green sitting in there. Champ Bailey sitting in there. Mark Carrier sitting in there. Sam Sh Sanders sitting in there, Daryl Green sitting in there, Champ Bailey sitting in there, Mark Carrier sitting in there,

Sam Shea sitting in there. I walked right out like, why did you draft me? You like, boy go on back in there and learn from them dudes. I had so much, like when I say I had just a brain trust. Yeah, that's probably the best defensive backroom of all time. Of all time, of all time.

Nobody could compare to that. Come on, I just named three yellow on. I just named three yellow jackets Yeah, I just named three yellow jackets and people were all over these who the best Yeah, it's crazy what I walked it. Yeah what now you you are such a good talker fast talkers Well, were you ever do you ever moment where you're talking shit on the field and you were talking too fast and the guy was like I don't even understand what you're saying for oh lots of time on the field and you were talking too fast and the guy was like, I don't even understand what you're saying, Fred.

Oh, lots of times. And I think it's the fast talking plus the southern. Yeah. The southern talking. So sometimes it can come off as Charlie Brownish to a guy, especially if I'm like really emotional about this, yaya, yaya, yaya. And I'd have Reggie Wayne just look at me and say, what?

Like, you like, I hope that wasn't supposed to get to me because I haven't understood nothing you said the last six plays. And I'd be like, all right, I'll tell you when you get back out here. See, I was one of those talkers, I wouldn't just talk when the play was going on, I mean, one going on.

They're like, the snap of the ball, jam the guy, now I'm running up the sideline. I'm talking to him as we run. Like, that's my whole thing. And I'm really just trying to get you to focus on me. That's how I done won so many battles. It wasn't because I was the better player, it's because mentally I had you thinking about me

instead of doing your damn job. So that's where I win these mental battles at. And don't let you mess up one time. Now it's been an avalanche. Because you are who I thought you were. I told you to wear pants out here with pockets in them So you can put your hands in them you need that I can make it with me today Like so I would just drill it on and if I start before the game

During the game. Yeah, and after the game we ain't lose a drop. Yeah now they think you crazy Yeah, like yeah that ain't like man. I'm not dealing with you Were there any wide receivers that were great shit talkers back that like oh shit game on? Me and Chad, me and Plex, me and Steve Smith, me and Plex Coden had some. I don't think people understand how big Plex is. Plex is basically a power forward in basketball, in the league. He's huge. All right, so battles with him and a lot of people don't, Joey Galloway was a beast, especially

when he was at the Cowboys, Terry Glenn, those guys. So I had, ooh, fast Freddie Mitchell who came out with me. And Freddie Mitchell is a idiot. Fred X, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Freddie Mitchell, let me tell you something,

class one, another one of my classmates, Freddie would go four quarters. We was rarely up on them because them and the Dunnery McNabb years with Andy Reid, so they was in their bag, they was winning. We'll be down like 15, it'll be like two minutes left in the game, Freddie would come across the middle, catch like a nine yard ball, and this is only catch

of the game, and he would just get up and just, Fred, Fred it is style like, just be quiet dude. What are you doing? Like the game is over with, you're not part of the offense. What are you, every chance I get Fred, they gonna feel me. And that's every pro athlete.

Like that's why y'all see a five year old catching and why I receive a get up and get you the first, like it's hard to get those things to happen, so I understand why people celebrate. Who's one guy in the league right now that you'd like to match up against? You look like you could still play, by the way. Oh, don't let him fool you.

The one thing, listen, this old truck right here got a good paint job and a bad motor. All right, that happened. But I would love to play against a lot of these dudes. I love to play against C.D. Lamb. I love to play against the ones that come off as arrogant. Them the ones I want. The Quiet ones, you won't see me come at them at all.

Like a Devontae Smith that barely says something just goes out there and burn you and go home and watch TV. I'm not gonna really say nothing to him but A.J. Brown. Let's see, A.J. Brown is from Starkville. That's where Mississippi stayed at. That's why him and Forbes got this thing going on because he went to Ole Miss.

I played against D.K. Metcalfe, daddy. Terrence Metcalfe, he came out of my class with me. Me, him, Deuce McAllister. Like, our All-Star team in Mississippi, we played the All-Star team from Alabama, high schoolers. We had 11 pros on our team. For me, Deuce McAllister, Ken, Lucas, Metcalfe, they had one pro on their team, Jamie Wynneborn, and they beat us.

Damn. By seven points. What happened? Our quarterback, Romero Miller, threw an interception, Larry Kasparani back, they beat us 7-0. Oh, so you did your job on defense. Oh, we did our job on defense. Shut them out. But at the end of the day, they just showed you football.

It doesn't matter sometimes. The best coached team will win most of the time. Yeah, I would put Mississippi, Louisiana, Alabama, those three states right there in particular, what is it about those three states that produce so many high level football players? We running from something. We running.

We know we can get out of whatever situation we is by that ball. That ball can show you the world. I remember one of my young coaches, I mean youth coaches telling me this. You want to see the world? This ball will show you the world. You do right by this ball to show you the world. You built in a different way. When we start playing football, we start playing at four or five years old.

We trying to get out there with the older guy. They ain't going to quite let unless you like oddly built or something like that. DK probably. DK was out there he was probably out there he was three years old probably out there you know what I'm saying. He's huge his daddy was huge. But you know once you earn your stripes there in Mississippi I think you think you could

play anywhere because you're just not you're not stolen as a ninth grader in Mississippi like it's unheard of for a guy to even have that chance to do that. Just too many greats. All right, think about it. This is the home of Jerry Rice, Walter Payden. Brett Farver, I want to go Yellow Jacket for Yellow Jacket. Mississippi is up there, baby. We got Hall of Famers from Jackie Slater, Walter Payden.

I can keep going now. Like we're there when it comes to football. And I know Texas, Florida, California, get out of love, but California, you're a whole coastline. Texas, you can be your own country. Florida, come on, y'all huge compared to us. But if you put Louisiana, Alabama, and Mississippi together, we got just as many as they do.

Yeah, that was one state. And there was Alabama, Mississippi, Alabama, yeah. Yeah, there would be a great, like we would have, just as many as they do. Yeah. I guess that was one state that was dominant. And that was Alabama. Yeah. That would be a great... Like, we would have, when it come to sports, we would be right up there with everybody. Yeah. Lewis-A-Bama. Yeah.

That'd be a hell of a state. But you gotta have some Orleans in there, too. Yeah, yeah. You gotta have some Louisiana in there. Yes, some Cajun, yeah. Yeah. So, last time we had you on was like five or six years ago. Twitter got bought by Elon Musk for $44 billion.

You invented Twitter. I did, nobody believes it, but I did. Smootsmac.com was the invention of Twitter where people could just go online and talk shit to each other. When you saw $44 billion, you're like, fuck. You know what? That would've been nice.

Why am I chasing this brown football when I should've been chasing my intellect. That's why they say, never wanna be on the team, wanna be the team owner. It's a difference. But when you grow up wanna be, but I say this, we did it and it was me and a couple of my classmates and I was like, man, I just need an avenue

to get at these guys. Cause they usually like try to talk trash to me after the game, that ain't good enough. I need to talk trash before the game. Yeah, you were just basically searching for more trash talk. Yeah, so we went to the internet, we started to build it, we built it out, and I was shocked because they were starting

to respond to me. Like I knew I was going to lash it out, but when they started to respond to me, that's when I think it caught on. And once it caught on, it was good. And then when I left to go to the league, you know when you leave college behind, you leave everything behind. And I left it behind and I should have kept it.

I should have nurtured that baby. I should have grew that baby. Instead of Elon Musk app, it would have been Fred Smuts app. It would have been different. And I would have came here and be like, oh, I like Barstool. Let me buy everything. Yeah, you would have $44 billion. like, oh I like bar stew, let me buy everything. Right? Yeah, you would have 44 billion,

what would you do with 44 billion dollars? First purchase. Man, you know what? The thing we do, we get to see billionaire habits because every team is owned by a billionaire. And you get to see a couple of billionaires, and most billionaires, they usually go be villains. And be in a yacht in the south of France.

Ain't that where villains go to just live and enjoy themselves? It just, I think as a millionaire, now you can have what you want, but a billionaire, you can create what you want. It's a different thing. Like a millionaire could go visit the island, a billionaire could buy the island.

Like so it's a different dynamic to the airness of them both. I feel like you'd be a man of the people as a billionaire. No, I'm still gonna be who I am. I'm never gonna change that. That's why I love the Harris Group and the owners we got now, the commanders, Magic Johnson. We have the most approachable, Mitchell-Rails,

the most approachable billionaires in the game right now. You wouldn't even know they're billionaires. They don't even act like billionaires. And I had to ask these guys, how did all y'all become billionaires? Cause all of them from the same little spot in Maryland. Like you would think these billionaires would be spread out, but even with Dan, Dan was from Maryland.

I was like, what's going on in Maryland? What are they teaching in elementary that they not teaching in Mississippi? That you too can't be a billionaire Yeah, yeah, so stay on the commanders We talked real quick before we sat down start taping you didn't want to waste anything off the air So yeah You were telling me why I should not be worried about the commanders and should not be worried about Clif Kingsbury

Later on in the season. You shouldn't we just we have to infancy. We had to start or something great Nobody would thought we've been seven and four right now in the season. You shouldn't. We're at the infancy. We're at the start of something great. Nobody would've thought we'd be seven and four right now. We got rookies that hadn't had a break since last year before they college year. For some reason, some idiots put out our bye week at week what, 14? Yeah, December bye.

That's ridiculous. These guys just got their first break on a short week on a Thursday night game. You talking about ailing bodies? You talking about hurting? You talking about testing your depth? You talking about texting your coaches, your players,

everybody physically, mentally, emotionally? That's what's going on right now. That's why you see us get to the fourth quarter and it just die. Just ain't got that little energy. Think about this. they ready to crown, Pixbirds still is the best team on earth. They just got out of Northwest Stadium.

Yeah. Like they just got out of Northwest Stadium. We're one inch away from Zach Erts, leaning in different ways. How about, this is what I want to say too. I'm tired of the old referees. I want youth. Yeah.

I want youth. I want my referees to be able to see for 100 yards and run 800 yards. I'm tired of the old dirty old men. I'm tired of it. Get them out, get them out. We gotta get these plays right. But Philly got out of there

by the Harold and they chitty chin chin. The whole state of Pennsylvania just got out of spedic by the Harold and they chinny chin chin. We're right there. If you're going to tell me that Philadelphia and they Super Bowl wonder right now, Pittsburgh and they Super Bowl wonder, we're right there and we ain't supposed to be there. So relax. That juice me up. I like it. I'm excited. I'm back in now. I was never out, but it starts, you start to think about it.

Fans begin to motion. Things have looked different for the last couple of weeks. That just tell me you got spoiled. You got spoiled when we had them starts that you start to think about it Okay, I think in the most things have looked different for the last couple weeks They just tell me you got spoiled. Yeah, you got spoiled when we had them numbers that you knew was gonna go down Yeah, you know, he won't go baby. Keep that up at third down. He was 80% on third night These numbers one did by Tom Brady you knew they had to come back down. I thought maybe point. Yeah Come on now. We have to be realistic here All right, like I told him now you can lie to a lot of people in this world with lying to yourself. That make you the

grasshopper horse thing. I've heard that people say all the time grasshopper. Tell a lie to a horse if you could. Yeah. He also Fred had a great line because I was guaranteeing something and he said the only guarantees is your past baby and a future ghost. Yeah, That's it. That's it. That's it. Now in between, that's up to you. Yeah.

What you do, but we know for a fact we don't remember stuff from being no baby. Yeah. We just know we used to be one. Yeah. And we ain't gonna remember much about being a ghost. We just know we gonna be one. Good or bad or ugly.

A difficult question, but I have to ask. Please. The love boat, I know we talked about it six years ago, but I saw you did a quote where you're like, I wish people would stop bringing it up because it wasn't even that cool. There's no way that it wasn't that cool. First of all, let me ask you something.

You had a double-sided deal, though. And let me ask you something. Have you been to a best reporter before? Yeah. You've been to a best reporter before. Was it the end all be all? No, but there was fun times. It was fun times. You've been to a best reporter before? Yeah. You've been to a best reporter before? Yeah. Was it the end all be all? No, but there was fun times.

It was fun times. And guess what? We had the same ingredients. Y'all had it. Y'all best reporter. Yeah, okay. The only way my best, it could have been better than y'all's if I had an alien with a flew down and came down, a female alien.

I didn't have no female alien yet, man. It was like people try to glow it up, I think, because it was just a lot of millionaires doing this. Yeah. It was also funny. I mean, a love boat. That's funny. But guess what?

The Vikings been doing this since the early 1700s. That's true. They been going to villages doing this for a long time. We just got into character too, man. Yeah, that's right. And it wasn't nothing but a, you know, every team has its rookie party. And that's basically how they haze us as rookies. Mine, I had to take my guys to Capitol Grill,

the whole defense. They ran the tab up for $20,000. It hurt me. With this one, they took up money. We threw a party. That was it. It only got blew up because we got caught. Yeah, because someone pissed, right?

Someone pissing in the lawn. In somebody's lawn. And that's it. And I someone pissed right? Yeah, yeah. Someone pissed in the lawn. And then somebody's lawn. Yeah. And that's it. And I like, cuz no rules were broken. It was a legit bachelor party. What do you mean by rules? What do you mean by no rules were broken? Well, you know. I think a couple rules were like... No, no, they tried to say some rules were broken

but at the end of that, we all just we got charged with disturbing the peace. We paid a $50 fine when that was over with. Each. And I'll tell you what, getting charged with disturbing the peace, that's a pretty badass charge. Yeah. I would love to get charged with that.

Wait, wait, wait. Disturbing the peace on a lake. Yeah. The Lake of Minnetonka. Ain't but two people been washed in the waters. That's me and Prince. We the only two right there been washed in the waters's Lake Minnetonka. But I always said it was overhyped because guys like to come, they say,

oh yeah, that was Fred, they'll come nudge you, oh, how was that party? And I'd be like, what you doing, old dirty old man? What you trying to do? But everybody thinks it was the, I've been to better parties, I'm sorry. I've been to better parties, and I'm sure y'all have too. Like it was just, it was rookies,

money getting pushed to the limit. They gonna enjoy themselves. The veterans ain't really, they chilling. Cause they saw when they were rookies. Yeah, but they more secretive anyway. They ain't doing nothing, but the rookies, they are out of control. They don't care if I had to give you this money I'm

about to enjoy my yeah right if somebody gave me millions of dollars when I turned 20 years old I would have done some stupider shit that's what I always like to ask people let me take you there P yeah 25 yeah I'll give you 10 million in jail what do you think the one thing that's going to kind of lead you astray is going to be your friends? Yeah. Is it going to be you trying to do too much for all this, go too much, be in the streets too much?

Or is it... What do you think would have been that one vice that had been like... I think I would have found new vices. Oh, that's what it is. I think you can be $10 million. I'm 25 and I'm like, I will try anything. Yeah. Well, why do people look at athletes and be like, that's a damn shame. I want to do it. Yeah, no, it's 40 years old. Right. I think it, I think it's a weird thing where you see a pro athlete, 23 years old and in your head, you're like, that guy's older than me. Even if you, you know what I mean? Just because

it's like, they're mature and they have the money that you can only dream of so you put a you put pft's right like 23 year old me you gave me 10 million dollars I'd be dead no that's most people because now it ain't like imagine this I always tell people, imagine waking up on just a Saturday and you can go anywhere and nowhere you want to in your 20s. That mean if I can make it up in my head, I can go there. I can wake up like, I'm going to Alaska.

I'ma see y'all, I'm out. Like nothing's stopping you but you. So whatever you can dream of, you can do it. So imagine just having one simple thing, having a girlfriend that just like to be spoiled. She can get up in the morning, I wanna go to Paris. All right, let's go to Paris. But now you're in Paris for four days.

You didn't plan to be there, now I'm in Monaco for five days. I didn't plan to do this, it just happens. I also think it's like when you grow up, that's when you learn to love sports. That's when you watch a lot of sports on TV. You got your favorite team, you watch these guys, and you're so ingrained with the idea of watching that when you were a kid. That's how you learn to love the sport.

Even after you age out of that and age past the playing years, you still have that somewhere deep inside where you think professional athletes, grown men even like compared to me. Yeah. It's like, so when I watch Seinfeld now, right? Yeah. I'm older than the guys on Seinfeld, which, which fucks up my brain. Yeah.

Cause I grew up being like George Costanza's, he's like, you know, a middle-aged man. I'll never be that age. He's 15 years old. Now I'm like six years older than George Costanza was during Seinfeld, but I still think of them as being adults. Same thing with professional athletes, I think, sometimes. Also, it's just, I think some people like to just complain about people that make more money than them. So they'll see an athlete be like, look at these entitled spoiled brats.

Like we didn't work for that our whole life. And like it wasn't that big old if over there. Because we are one big if from not making it to the league. If we ain't hurt our knee. If we didn't ball out that game. If I didn't choose this school, I coulda did something just easy as just choosing the wrong school and I don't make it to the league. Coach don't play me, coach don't like me. Ooh, just that one simple thing.

But for some reason, when athletes get to the league, people think we run the damn lottery. You know, it takes no energy to win the lottery. Right. But I've been putting I've been lifting running my whole life. No, no one it wasn't guaranteed that I was gonna make it to the league. Right. Yeah. Well, maybe not lifting. Now, you're right about that. Yeah. What happened with the one bench press of the combine? Listen, I told them this. Look,

you see how long my home. Yeah, there you go. You see it. I have the reach of somebody six-four. Yeah. If you want me to bench press, it's gonna be harder for me to do it. So I said, you know what? I'm gonna do what the guys don't do. Cause most corners and receivers do not do the bench press.

They don't even get on there. I said, I'm gonna give them what they want, but I'm gonna only do it one time. Like I got on that deal the one time, I racked it. I said, you didn't come for no bodybuilders. Y'all came for an athlete. Come on watch me run. So we went outside and all the scouts watched me run and do my drills. So you could have done more. Maybe one more. One more.

That's a good way to spit it out. I'm only going to do one. Yeah, but that's it. I'm not going to tell you that all I can do is two, but I'm only going to do one. And guess what? One of these scouts, one of the coaches, DB coaches walked up to me and tapped me on the shoulder after where he said, you know what? I'm shocked you even got under there. DBs don't even get under there.

YRC don't get under there. They tell me a lot. They tell me you don't care about humility. They just ain't a part of who you are. I'm like, I don't care nothing about that. Like, it is what it is. They can't beat me playing football. I don't care about them out benching me. Y' I don't say he bitch 500 pounds out that get a pick

Yeah, yeah, I'll just say he out here playing football. He good at it. Yeah, I feel like that doesn't translate at all Especially the corner back. I mean you want to know that somebody's strong, right? You know, you want to know that somebody's willing to tackle but I don't want you to be so strong that you stiff Yeah, like when you see athletes or guys walking around Gold's Gym and they walk around there like this, they can't play sports. They're not flexible enough. They are one big muscle rat. We even say it when the guys walk in, that we draft a guy and I be like, oh, he too muscular.

His flexibility won't allow him to have longevity in football. He gonna tear muscles every year. Not me. I could be at the bottom of a pile looking like Gumby, just rubbery, and I'm gonna jump muscles every year. Not me, I could be at the bottom of a pile, looking like Gumby, just rubbery, and I'm gonna jump right back up. Everybody talk out there about how much I bitch, how many games did I miss?

Yeah, not a lot. No thank you. You were a tough motherfucker. Because either you got it or you don't. Waste won't save you. When you ended up retiring, how, because you seem like a guy who loved being in the locker room. Yeah, locker room was my thing.

Yeah, right. So how long did it take you to mentally like- Get out of there? Yeah, or like, yeah, you retire, I know it's a struggle for some guys. It hurt, it hurt you mentally because now you feel like you by yourself for the first time because them 52 other brothers from 52 other mothers,

they ain't with you every day. And think about it, when you sit in a locker room, all 53 of us got the same problems. Whatever those problems may be, family, not really loving on you no more, just want you for money, could be, hey, did all us choose the wrong woman? You know? Like so, we got these same problems that now we're just talking to each other, leaning on each other about.

And now that's gone, and it ain't really gone, because you can still call your brother up, it's just that it don't come full serve to you on the platter no more. It's not there every day. Every day, now you gotta reach out for it. Now you gotta reach out to your man, how you doing? How you doing, brother?

I'm doing good. So I think it's more the mental separation. Think about this. Being in love with something or somebody for 30 plus years and she just divorces you cold. That's what football does. It just quits you. You quit it. It don't matter. That's what football does. It just quits you. You quit it.

It don't matter. It's being quit. And I don't think it's, everybody love money. Don't get that, but it's some stuff football can give you that money can't buy you. That crowd walking out there, 100,000 people, imagine this. Imagine how mentally stimulating it is to have

100,000 people saying your name simultaneously at one time. Shmooo, and the ground just starts shaking. You can't buy that with money, all right? The energy just coming through your body, that becomes addictive. I want it over, I want y'all to say it over and over and over again. You can't get that competition of one-up in another man.

Did everybody say this is the greatest athlete in the world? I just one-upped him, so no he not. Now he ain't the biggest gladiator, I am. That's why I say the only thing that could literally beat football is that gladiator sport to me is boxing because ain't nothing badass like walking around saying I'm the heavyweight champion of the world.

That's true. I can kick everybody's ass. Baddest man on the planet. On the planet. Yup. Yup. That's the only job I think that could one up the quarterback position at football. Everybody calling you champ all the time.

That has to be awesome. Not just champ. Imagine how your girl feel when she walk in and be like, my husband could kick all of you turds. Like, not all of you, all eight million of you. Like, my husband could beat all eight billion of you. If it's somebody not from Mars, my husband will beat you.

That's badass. That's true. One of my favorite quotes of all time was, did you say two-thirds of the earth is covered by water and I cover the rest? I said that in college. Yeah. Was that true? Most definitely.

I felt that way. Is there a guy that you couldn't guard? It is no guy that I couldn't guard. It's some guys that give you more problems. I would tend because we had gotten to the tall corners when I started to come out. Well for a tall corner your kryptonite gonna be a short receiver. So if you're checking a guy like Santana Moss, he gonna give you hell. You see it now with the big cornerbacks when they go against the smaller receiver, but put him against Calvin Johnson.

He has no problem with Calvin Johnson. It's the guy that he can lose sight of. So when I said this, I was just feeling myself in my bag. You know, you in school, you got all this useless knowledge in you, let me mix this with a little football and run with it, you know what I'm saying? But I wouldn't say it was no guy. I say Tyrone Calico when I was in college.

Probably gave me the most problems in college. He had been a hell of a player, kinda cut short by injuries in Tennessee, but he was a hell of a player. So I played against some guys, but if I get the player gets you more than once, I can solve the problem. Did you guard Calvin Johnson one-on-one?

Yes, I did. What was that like? He's the biggest human being I ever seen in my life. But I have no problem with tall guys because I'm not gonna lose sight of you. You can look, I have no problem with T.O., no problem with Randy, you ain't gonna see me on they highlight because they ain't burning me. T.O. was so good. There was one thing about him though whenever he would play against you guys. Yeah. He was afraid of Shawn Taylor. No, you damn right. Yeah. Like come on because, hey beast, let me introduce you to another beast. Because the one thing about Sean is he's their size, but he's faster than them. And that's the craziest thing about it.

I remember one day we were sitting in the back of the huddle and Levi Arrington and Sean were talking in the huddle, and I was like, is it me or they the same damn size? Like they the same, like when we got him as a rookie, he was 240, 245, sometime played at 250, and he's still the fastest man on the damn field. That's unbelievable, like it's something when the 1%, the top 1%, because once you in the league,

you part of that top 1%, but then it's the 1% of the 1%. Sean was the 1% of the 1%, meaning he's sticking out amongst the 1%. You can still be like, he different. Me and Coach Gid was talking about it, he different coach. Coach like, yeah, because we can't control him. When I say can't control him, he at one speed.

We'll be doing walkthroughs, you know, walkthroughs touching people. We're not Sean, come right down here. And we doing ones against ones. Clint Portis get the ball, come right down here, shun, mow him down. Coach will be like, come on now. Half speed, no tackling.

Hype, mow him down. And he'll be like, coach, if they put the ball in their hands, I'm gonna mow him down. And he'll be like, coach, if they put the ball in their hands, I'm gonna mow him down. And he dead serious. Like, when he comes to practice, he clicks in, and I remember one day, I don't know if he was a little late or what, this dude comes out there with blue jeans under his football pants.

I said, something happened today. I said, it ain't right. And he just started mowing through people. I'm like, dude, Greg, you know, Greg, we even loves this type stuff. So even though Coach Gibbs telling them, Leo, Greg just got this grin on his face, like, let him lose.

And that's what type playing was. Your teammates is not safe. We was on defense together playing against Dallas. We beat Dallas. But I got Jones, on the running back Jones, I got him, I'm holding him, and Sean just come knock the whole powder down. He hurts me, he hurts Jones.

I have to go to the hospital because he lacerated my kidney. Jones got a concussion, and this just the people that was in the pile. So that's friendly fire, that's all of above. Like I'm laying in the hospital, can't fly back with the team because he lacerated my kidney.

So that's what type player like. The one thing that I just always wish I could have seen him play out the career. Because that last year, we were heading to Green Bay, this dude leading the league in interception, got like six, seven at this time, he headed for 14 picks this year at the rate he's going. Then he had slimmed up, he had slimmed up,

he was like 220 pounds, so he ain't faster right now. I was like, man, cause me, Airy, all they were talking about, I was like, dude, this dude keep going the all they were talking about, I was like dude, this dude keep going the way he going, he gonna be the best save to ever play the game. And Ed Reed was like yeah man, like he is. So when you got a guy like Ed Reed agreeing with you on a situation like that, that tells you the depth

of this player, cause he had Ed Reed's ball skills, that's Zach to the T, but he hit like run a lot. That's the perfect safety. If God's building a safety, his name is Sean Taylor. All right, well Fred, this has been awesome. You're the best. We got to have you back on again. Not wait six years the next time.

I got one last question, rowback question. R-H-O-B-A-C-K.com promo code take. 20% off your first purchase. Q-zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts, rowback.com promo code take.% off your first purchase qzips polos hoodies joggers shorts row back.com promo code take This isn't even a question. It's just that you did a reddit AMA a few years ago Yeah, and someone asked what should I eat when I get home and you said pussy if possible my friend low in calories No, I did not say that you did no, I'm gonna tell you who said that I Had a guy that used to do my PR

and I let him run my red. Your PR guy said pussy? Your PR guy said pussy? He has the foulest mouth of all. Cause I did read it like once or twice, but I did it on mine visually. Like I got on there and did it. And I just let him do it.

And he did that. You gotta realize, my mouth is filthy, but my mouth filthy in person. You will never see me, like look at my Twitter, you see anything rolling down that's crazy? Like I don't write things down that's crazy. That was all him, and I let him have that one. Also, instead of saying eating pussy,

you would have said running through the okra patch, right? Thank you! You know, I say mine with a little bit more mystery to it. Now people have to come and ask me what's running through the ochre patch. It is what it sounds like. But other than that, I'm more clean, pure, because I done did the top of the line medias,

so I know how to say what I need to say and how I need to say it. Yeah, yeah, grasshopper and a horse. What is that again? What the hell is that again? No, it was a grasshopper tell the truth to a horse. Okay. You let him, yeah. Oh man, well Fred, thank you so much man.

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straight to your door. Just go to Three Chi, that's number three, chi.com. All right, let's do our weekend preview. Talking some games. We'll rip through a few of these because we're obviously taping on Tuesday, so there hasn't been a ton of new news. But I wanted to start with the Seahawks at the Jets. Jets plus two and a half over under 41 and a half on DraftKings Sportsbook.

Memes. What most recent news have we heard about the Jets this past week? We have hired an outside company to find our GM. What outside company is that? That'd be the 33rd team. Okay, what do they do? They are consultants to the owner to find a proper GM to lead your team are they a media company

Kind of so like hiring Barstool sports pretty much but the commanders also just did that ah Well, they had an extensive search and they hired the but it was like executives from the it was led by those It was led by these guys wait Mike Tannenbaum is that the guy who said that you should trade miles Garrett To the Lions and the Lions should give up three first-round picks and Jameer Gibbs He was doing media is that is that the same Mike Dan bomb that hates Josh Allen and said he would never drafted him Say say same guy who has a winning record as a GM, as a jet with the Jets means how old are you again?

Twenty nine. People keep making fun of me for that. Why? I don't know. Why do they make fun of you for being twenty nine? Oh, no, no, no. That makes no sense to me. He doesn't like when people think that he's that it's a compliment. They're like, how is he that old? I thought he was twenty two, which pisses me off because I get the opposite Yeah, well, that's

That's weight-related max Just you know cuz I get the opposite. Uh, you think yeah people are like, oh you're 50. So memes you're 29 So how old are you in 2008 ish? 2008 let's do some math 2008 let's do some math 13 okay alright so my question is so there was a report that came out that Aaron Rogers is So injured that he doesn't want to do a scan on his injuries But because he doesn't want to be taken off the field

This report coming from most likely Aaron Rogers when the shit goes down and he's like, oh yeah, actually you guys don't even understand how injured I am. Memes, has this ever happened to the Jets before? If a player played through injury? Yeah, that actually kinda hurt the team. Not that I could remember. Okay, so you're too young because it has happened before and it was a former Packers quarterback named Brett far

who tore his bicep and decided to keep playing through the injury and Basically was so bad at the end of his Jets run that he should have taken himself out, but he didn't it's insane They started in three that year too Yes And then he tore his bicep and he basically was like I'm gonna play through it cuz I'm Brett farve Similar to Aaron Rodgers, who obviously didn't start eight and three, but is playing through an injury.

They are just living the same life. Wait, do you think that, you think Aaron Rodgers leaked this news? Probably. Even though the same news was leaked when Brett Favre was the quarterback? What do you mean, yeah. Like that might be coming from Woody Johnson.

Yeah, true, true. Like he's the one common denominator in all this. I think it would benefit Woody to get the story out there that Aaron Rodgers is being an insubordinate dick and he's injured and he's costing our team games. I think it helps Aaron Rodgers though a lot too to be like he's such a warrior, he wants to stay in this game.

That is true. Yeah, you guys don't even understand what he's dealing with. Yeah, so he refuses to get scans. It's Brett Favre. Brett Favre did that is true. Yeah, he he's you guys don't even understand what he's dealing with. Yeah, so he refuses to get scans It's pre far Pref are did that in 2008? He basically after the season had to get surgery on his torn right bicep And he's like yeah, it it kind of affected me. Yeah, my torn right bicep memes Where are you seeing that the commander's hired the 33rd team? Spielman the other guy that's not town of bomb, was part of the search for Adam Peters.

Right. I agree with that. I just don't think that they hired the 33rd team. What do you mean? What do you mean? What do you mean? I mean that I don't think that they hired the 33rd team to try to fight. They might've had Spielman.

They might've had the guy from Golden State Warriors and some other guys. I just never heard of that. So I was, I was wondering. Walsh, what is it? What's going on here? This is a blog on the, on the 33rd team. I'm confused on who the 33rd team is. So I know who the 33rd team is, but I don't really know the Jets hired the 33rd team. Did they not? Correct. Yes. Yeah yeah they hired the organization. Now I will say that being a coaching and executive search firm is the best job in the world.

Yes it is the best in fact the 33rd team had a blog up I think like two weeks ago saying here's who they should look at hiring if they do fire Joe Douglas. Yes so like they had they had blogged it so they've got their own list that's ready to go that they had also hopefully shared with the rest of the league. Yeah no it's it's I mean it's Ernie Accorsi it's Bill Polian all these guys who were basically they just they they get a million dollars to be like hey here's the person you should hire. Yeah. My friend. You should hire Ben Johnson to be the coach. Yeah I think the Seahawks are their defense is really really good. And this is basically Gino, just Gino, stop throwing picks in the end zone.

Gino, you guys can be good. You guys can go to the playoffs. Just be good, Gino. Gino revenge game. Yeah, Gino revenge game. That's huge. The Seahawks are the team that is just impossible to figure out.

Every time you think they're good, they're bad. Every time you think they're bad, they're good. It's the entire NFC West. One of those teams is gonna go to the play. You know that the Jets are bad Yeah, and but the Seahawks I but Aaron Rogers hurt Aaron Rogers hurt, but they had a bye We don't know how hurt they had a bye. He might have gotten healthy. Yeah He might have gotten healthy. I I don't hate the Jets. I don't hate the Jets this weekend At least they're not favored anymore. That was a weird stretch where they were

Yeah, it was very favored very memes. Do you think that the Jets have a chance? I think they might nope, okay? Yeah, I think Kenneth Walker is gonna have a day Yeah, probably probably and a lot of guys are gonna quit and then some guys will be fine for a job for next year But the season is over. Yeah. Oh wow. I know the first time you said that over over Fully over all right Steelers atals. Bengals minus three over under 47. I like the Bengals here because the Zach Robinson put Zach Taylor. Zach Taylor. Sorry. Zach Taylor put ping pong tables back in the Bengals locker room. Yep. Being a head coach is a never ending cycle of taking the ping pong table out and putting the ping pong

table back in. I saw an interesting quote about that. And it came from their kicker, Evan McPherson. Hasn't had a great season. Nope. He said he felt the Bengals teams over the past three years have been really close. That ping pong has played a role in that

because players spend time with the teammates they might not otherwise. Yep. It sounds like Evan McPherson, as a kickerer is like, it's the only way that people hang out with me is if we're playing ping pong. Yeah. Can we just get like the punters and the kickers to feel like they're a part of the football team?

Yeah. He might not be wrong. Yeah, no, he's not wrong. And he's, yeah, Zach Taylor on the ping pong tables returning to the locker room creates a little energy, gets guys to interact, creates competitiveness. Competitiveness all the time. You compete from the time you step foot inside those doors by the way president pug is doing a great job Yes computer. Yeah, I love pulling shit up for us something that max would never do you're crushing it Well, the max is too busy with his ADD. Just like throwing a football to himself got pugs

Whoa, whoa, whoa government name. What are you doing? Pugs. Whoa, whoa, whoa, government name. What are you doing? But Pug has nice, delicate little skinny fingers that are able to type much faster. Yeah. He's doing pug. Max Pugs putting you to shame right now. I mean, sorry. I got fat fingers. Yeah. No, we had to, we, we might have to have Pugs sitting in here. He does the computer max on the couch. Yeah. It'd be nice. Also also Jermaine Pratt Guaranteed a win. I don't really know if you can be a Bengals defensive player and guarantee a win No, you probably shouldn't do that. The Steelers didn't look awesome against the Browns But I'm gonna chalk all this up to just AFC North games or you could do well, this is a FC North game

So yeah, yeah, you could do George Pickens it was snow. It was do George Pickens. It was snow. It was a snow. Pickens got in a fight after the game with a defensive back. At first I thought he was fighting a fan. Yeah. Turns out it was a DB. The Bengals being favorites.

Does that make sense? Yeah. I think the Steelers are on fraud watch for me. Okay. Yeah, I do. I mean, I, their defense is very, very good. I think they're on fraud watch. Tomlin as an underdog though. We always say it Oh for sure it's still is the absolute could win this game

But this is a game that I if they if the Bengals get life back in this I'm putting the Steelers on front watch Especially with who the Steelers have the rest of their way the ping-pong table. They gotta play the Ravens again I think they play the Chiefs. I think I play the Beng Bengals again. Steelers have a very tough schedule down the stretch. And I don't know, like, who the Steelers have beaten a lot of bad teams in the Ravens. Who they always beat. They also lost the Cowboys. You know what I mean?

Like, I just think if you look at the Steelers, I'm not saying they're frauds. I'm just saying fraud watch. Did they beat the Chargers? They beat the Chargers when Justin Herbert couldn't walk. Yeah. He literally had like severely sprained ankle and I remember watching that game he couldn't move at all. He couldn't do like play action. Beat the Broncos I think. They did beat the Broncos. That was Bo Nix's second start in the NFL. Beats the So when the commanders were looking decent.

Yeah. But I mean, Raiders, Giants, Jets lost the Cowboys. Who could lose the Cowboys? No one. They had Dak too. Yeah, they did have Dak. I just, again, I'm not putting the Steelers under frauds. This is their fraud watch game because the rest

of their, their, their season is Bengals Browns again. Then they have to play the Eagles Ravens chiefs Bengals. That's really tough. If they lead, if they let the Bengals back in here, cause I think the Bengals have a little bit of easier schedules. They let the Bengals back in this thing. The Bengals will most likely be playing for something in week 18. So it's like a double whammy against them They're hurting themselves twice. They got to win this game and then I'm not and then they're off the fraud watch Okay, next game Cardinals and Vikings Vikings minus three and a half over under 45 and a half I think the Vikings are gonna win this game

Okay, thanks taking notes. I am Again, the Cardinals kind of fall into the same line as the Seahawks with me, which is I'm not really sure how to peg them at all. I can't peg the Cardinals. I do think that the Vikings are a legitimately good football team. Yes, I do too. I think I have a read on the Cardinals-ish, and it's if you can run the ball, their offense looks explosive.

When they can't, it looks broken. I think I said this two months ago, Vikings can stop the run. So that's why I like the Vikings. Vikings can really stop the run. Right, and the Vikings are the first time they've been home in three weeks, four weeks. I think they played three straight,

no, they played two straight, three straight road games, and they've been playing tough games. I think it's gonna, I just like the Vikings in this game. I will say though that if the Cardinals win this game, I will believe fully in the Cardinals. Oh yeah, yeah. This is, like Kyler would be locked in

if they somehow win this game on the road. That would be a huge win for them. Yeah. But until they do, I just think that the Vikings are very, I believe in Sam Donald still, think he's having a great season. He's had a couple missteps, but like, I'd still think that what we see now is Sam Donald. That's who Sam Donald is now. I don't think that he's going to suck down the stretch or turn into a different player. I think he's legitimately a good quarterback right now. If the Cardinals can go in and

win this game, then I will be like, yeah, Cardinals should win their division. Yeah. Yeah agreed next game the Tennessee Titans at the Washington commanders mm-hmm commanders minus five and a half over under 45 and a half You have to win this game pft. Yeah, we said it last week must win But you have to win this game must win and can't lose at the same time you have to win this game It's a it's a double must How are you and Hank by the way? I noticed you guys didn't sleep in the same house the last two nights. No we haven't been speaking. Yeah Memes is legitimately... Memes is the child that like if mom and dad disagree over like they get in like a little spat because they're going driving somewhere and they

get lost. Yeah. Memes is like oh my god they're getting divorced. Yeah I, we're fighting over the radio. I want kinder con Hank is a huge Drake fanboy So we're having those arguments in front of memes and yeah, it's kind of it's kind of awkward memes Does think that everyone's breaking up all the time though? Pft was in the gambling cave yesterday going to every single person saying did you see Hank the clips of Hank? Well, so so what's interesting is they came to me yesterday, so who's that little update? People in the gambling cave that happened to be around at the time They came to me because they'd listened to Monday's part of my take and they came up to me They said Hank is so full of shit who?

They're not on trial here. I have sources the walls all right. I guess we'll do a Unnamed source off okay, so the walls came up to me And they said because I heard what meme said why you were just walking up trick trying to find people to know that's not the case No, no they they came to me, and they said Hank is so full of shit. I listened to Monday's part of my take and You were absolutely picking up on Hank trying to like secretly root against you during that game. And then they said, we can actually find the clips. And so Hank was showing people his future bet on the commanders, not making the playoffs and laughing.

Whenever the commanders would do something bad, the Cowboys would do something good. Let's pull up the clips. You were showing it around, and you were laughing, and they sent me the clips. Is this true? Yeah, before you watch the video, Hank, is this true? I showed someone the bed slip, I think, that someone also, uh, might have went to JMU,

which is an interesting, interesting piece of evidence, uh, the jury member that we're talking about here. Mm-hmm. So you, so you were- But I wasn't laughing, I was not laughing when the commanders did something bad. I laughed when they missed the extra point, the same way laughed when the Bears like that's just like a trauma laugh Yeah, yeah trauma laugh Now but like showing someone a bet slip because again, I also showed them the commanders to win the Super Bowl bet slip

So it's like true. I have the commander so in the Super Bowl if the commanders make the playoffs I will be commied the fuck out. Mm-hmm. All right, so do we have the video here the videos? pug oh Commied the fuck out. All right, so do we have the video here the videos pug? Oh Too loud too loud too loud too loud too loud. Okay, that's the missed extra point. There's Hank laughing Where's the laugh? Where's the laughs? Where is the zoom in pug can you make it big I'm going I have my hand for the podcast I have my hand over my mouth. Okay, going oh my god oh my god oh my god we should start at the first one because I think the the first one is one pug

doing a great job he's all over the place now I think it might be the other one pug because that's one where he's showing the bats yet the one that's first yeah yeah okay so here's Hank looking at his phone and this is after the spin move touchdown showing Ebo. Commanders missed the playoff. It wasn't a laugh. He's just showing showing the bats lip and smiling. Okay, that's I mean that's not guilty of anything crazy That's the clip yeah, there's not the clip would be more damning There's more like if you look if you had like pointed to you and then throat slash Okay, this is no whoa whoa

pause it pause a plug pause a plug the laugh there was because before that clip that was when you turned around and told me to suck your dick and fuck you so after that after You said that I was actively rooting against commanders. I was happy they lost after that everything before that was nothing So that smile that I had after they missed extra point was literally after you turned around to me DX sucked in my face and said fuck you Hank. I didn't suck my dick. I didn't DX there's no DXing. Okay Wait the the, the entire reason that people- I know what, let's play that third clip because I'm curious where the smiles and laughs are. The entire- the entire reason that people came up to me-

Let's show it. Let's show the evidence. Show the evidence. After listening to Monday's show and told me this was because they're- listen, Hank can bet however he wants. I think it's a funny troll bet. Um, but then Hank try and convince me that he was not rooting against the commanders. That's where you're running against the commanders you just showed evidence that proved nothing you just said so showing the bet slip and then laughing and then we show that again again I don't think that was laughing getting I don't see a laugh around the one pug clip one pug please show me the laugh here because because because Evo laughs need the late card there's there's some smirking going on so we've gone so we've

downgraded from laughing I say something say something real quick? Sidebar with you, PFT. Okay. I've watched these clips. Listen, Hank's a piece of shit. He's a troll. He's a piece of shit. He's a bad guy. Correct. I think he might be too much in your head right now. It's a possibility. I think you're overthinking Hank's existence a little. Memes is nodding right now. Well, the thing, Memes, Memes, you don't get to do that. I think he might be winning because you spent 48 hours collecting that. No, see, no, here's where I'll disagree with you. I have not done any collection. These are people that are out there in the company that agree with me that think that Hank.

And again, where'd this person go to school? Well, it's multiple people actually, Hank. Who else? There were three people yesterday that were telling me about this. It's just convenient you won't name their names. You're right, Hank's wrong. Why are you protecting their identity?

I'm going to send clips to you. Because I've had like 100 people come up to me and say that I'm in your head and I'm going to send their I'm gonna send clips to you because I've had many people come up to me and say I've done your head and I'm destroying I've done zero I've done zero sourcing these are all people that have come to me and said Hank's piece of shit he was rooting against you all game Hank and route however he wants my whole thing is you know I accurately picked up on Hank we have a whole stream and now Hank is saying that I did not accurately pick up on that That's my whole thing and if me caring about that is Hank being too far in my head then guilty is charged I am I am a hundred percent guilty of Hank being in my head again like I really don't care

I know I'm in your head. I know I know this is a dub for me You went on this whole soliloquy on Sunday about how you picked up on these things and and and you have evidence it was on stream the evidence that you just presented proves nothing what you just said well I didn't have people go back through the entire stream pull things out they just sent no I didn't they just sent these clips to me I didn't ask them to go through the entire stream did you ask I'm sending clips? When they said we can find the clips, I said, yes, send them to me. Max, do you have anything to say?

Max is in his bathroom taking a shit. He's frozen. Can't see anything. Just good wifi there, Max. Yeah. Oh, here he is. Oh, Max? No, he sucks.

You suck, Max. He's got nothing. I think, yeah, I mean, again, I have your back in the fact that Hank does root against us and he is a troll and these are all facts, but he's gonna kill you by you, like he's, you're all consumed by Hank. I am consumed by Hank a little bit. Right. But I needed somebody to take the sting off losing to the Cowboys and Hank Yeah is a great scapegoat to have around

But I'm just saying facts are facts Hank was rooting against the commanders was pretending that he wasn't The facts that you're the evidence that you're using to prove those facts is just proves nothing like that's where it's like I would actually this is a court of law like I'd be even more innocent than I was on Sunday. I probably I probably should have been innocent was that evidence was horrible Okay, what the the evidence was showing to me? Evidence showed something but not really the full like he wasn't like laughing. He just showed a bet Because the game was going a certain way. I have circumst circumstantial evidence I did not go back through the the footage I saw and I have to I had nods then Hanks in my head I think I think I will concede the point

to Hank that the evidence is not as compelling as I was told it would be mm-hmm and we can move on from there we're still not going to talk. Yeah, don't talk. Great. Max, you're back. I'm back. I'm back. Okay. Thoughts? I think I've been in PFT scenario, right? I have something about saying yeah, that when you're going through it and you know that he's happy that it makes you angry. Yeah, it's a good job of it. It's good for the show. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm I'm not completely faulting PFT because I've told Hank to suck my dick many a time. Yeah. For really no reason. Yeah. Yeah. No, you what you're saying I agree with because I I've been in this I've been in PFT shoes many, many times as well. That's why as an

outsider in this spot, it's like there's nothing you can do you got to just give it up because he's gonna drive you nuts He's driving me nuts another good way to show you're losing Mac The PFT is that big cat and Max both would love to have evidence that goes against me and car a piece of shit And so you're right the fact that they can't and they're tiptoeing around being like yeah, but Just means like they know I'm a hundred percent right. They just really don't want to admit I mean, I've been yeah, I've been in your shoes many many times I mean the the Wisconsin JMU game when he showed up in all purple. He's like I'm that was our fucking See I've been there for work, and I wish I was literally This is a boy at some point. I wish I speak to me that night

I wish I had a point where I someone had been like hey just give it up because he's he's He's going to just destroy you mentally that was because of his existence So yeah a little peek behind the curtain here I'm not I'm not actually mad at Hank at all for any of this Yeah, but he is driving me insane that he won't admit correct that he was doing something that that's all I wanted as well That's all it boils down to it was like Hank. He's really Hank is very good at his job. He's a very good troll He's doing a great job Stirring things up and even though his bet his bets go against me guess what that's betting you're gonna bet against your friends at some point

On his future you're allowed to do that But then when it gets down to him denying something that is true then I start to be like I'm going insane yeah Hank is driving means I need this Thanksgiving break to get away from Hank yeah no he has a very good ability to just make you insane yeah and he's done it to all of us you're doing a great job memes you've added to where Hanks made you go insane again this is where the existence things comes in. It's like the Patriots playing the Jets means. Yeah, no, no, I don't Know I don't think so Listen, I'm sorry guys. I'm I really I mean when when Hank just literally says

We're thinking about hiring someone to help with your load. You're like, I want to kill you Hank. You're trying to fire me Yeah, well, that's just life-related You're like I want to kill you Hank. You're trying to fire me. Yeah. Well, that's just life-related Job is a good box name and he just owned was Henna me free I didn't know that That's good. That's good to know It's Henrold now. All right, so Hinnerl as it pertains to this game. I'm just gonna take Washington. We have to win this game and we got to win it decisively. Again, I'm officially concerned about the offense right now.

Here's the thought experiment for Cliff Kingsbury. Close your eyes and imagine Terry McLaurin lining up on the other side of the football occasionally because he only has him line up on one side like 97% of the time. He's never in motion. He's an awesome player. Let Terry move around a little bit. The Titans do scare me. Every team scares me now.

Yeah. Right now, if you were to look at the commanders and say, are they a good football team? I think the answer is no. I don't think that they are at all. So we still control our own destiny if we can just manage to beat teams like the Titans and the Saints and the Falcons. You just manage to beat teams like the Titans and Saints

and the Falcons and the Cowboys. Alright, let's do rapid fire a couple of these games that are kind of gross. Patriots, Patriots plus three over under 42 and a half. Anything Hank? I think the Colts, this is a game where Anthony Richardson is bad against like complex Stevenson, the Patriots Stevenson is bad. I think this is where he like complex defenses. The Patriots defense is bad I think this is where I'll have like four touchdowns. Yeah, I can dominate What are your thoughts on Gerard Mayo basically simming football games where he's like, I can't do anything once they're out there on the field

Yeah, that's bad coaching. He's he's he's bad with the media. Yeah, we talked about that on Monday where it's just like don't say that Yeah, don't don't that quote makes no sense. What was the game? Was it it's not mad and was it football like football coach head football coach? Yes I'm where you just like do everything except actually soccer game Yeah football manager is the one where you like do the transactions get your team prepared during practice and then the game happens And you just hit like sim and you don't get to control anything. That's what that's what Gerard Mayo has been doing Yeah, he needs that bad Yeah, I did this game. I don't get to control anything. That's what that's what Gerard Mayo has been doing. Yeah, he needs that bad Yeah, I did this game. I don't it's gross

It's gross game. I think it's a cult. Yeah, I think Anthony Richardson All right goes off couple other rapid fire because it's these are not the best box of Panthers I I mean the pants are playing a lot better Maybe they maybe they keep this one tight to Panthers are plus six over runners 46 and a half Yeah, so Bryce Young has look good. Yeah, I saw I saw people doing cutups of the all 22 of Bryce Young throws for good reasons Which I've never seen before They look they looked like he was actually slinging the ball like he was dropping him in some tight windows He was decisive with his throws. I just like the Bucks too much. Yeah, I feel like that was a very

They say that there's no moral victories in the NFL. The Panthers had a big time moral victory last week. Yes. That was huge. They blew the chiefs out morally. Yes. But yeah, Baker's on a mission right now. Baker. I like the Bucks. Baker, Baker, Baker, Baker, Houston at Jacksonville, Jacksonville minus five over. It was 43 and a half. I, I just had a urban Meyer didn't know who Mike Vrabel was. That was a crazy story from the man and cast. Was that a joke that he always says? I don't, I don't know if it was a joke, but I believe it too. If it's a joke, I'm going to start using that line. Yeah. Just to like people I know very well. Yeah. So who are you? Who are you on the couch? Yeah. But this is a, if Houston wants to get right going through the December stretch and

make a push, this is the game they have to do it. Yeah. Cause I can't believe Doug Peterson, how, how, how has he not been fired? Did he wake up every morning during the bi-week being like, okay, today's the day. Yeah. In a way I actually was thinking this is, this is worse than being fired for Doug Peterson. Yeah. This is a way to get back at him. Where you have to, you go into the work, you go into your office every morning into work, you tap your key card,

and you think to yourself, this is the day where my key card doesn't work anymore. And it works, and you're like, what the fuck? And you have to do that over and over and over again. At some point, having it not work has gotta be so relieving to you because you've been thinking about getting fired for the last probably seven, eight weeks. Yeah, he's just been flinching all week. He's been flinching.

He's been flinching at the door and he's like, somehow this is still going on. I would really like to just play golf. Yeah. Maybe. I mean, with Trevor Lawrence back, maybe the Jaguars do something. Maybe they could. I mean, I don't really believe in the Texas that much either. I don't know. Yeah, no, I don't either. This is a gross game. It detects need to win this game. This is a proven game for the Texas. Yep. Take care of business. Chargers at Falcons actually is a pretty good game. Chargers off a loss. Falcons off a buy where I forgot the Falcons existed. We did do a great interview with Kirk

Cousins coming up. But that is they were one of those Jaguars and Falcons kind of both. I just kind of forgot about their existence for a week. Loser leaves town? Loser leaves town? Ah. If Falcons lose, they can still make it happen. And same with the Chargers.

Yeah. Loser. Yeah, no this is not. Loser is. Loser is slightly more for real. Loser got to the town limits and then turned around and went back. Loser called a realtor?

Yeah. Loser looked around in another town. Yeah. But they're gonna stay put. Loser checked on insurance rates in a new city. I do think the Chargers offensive line against a weak Falcons pass rushes is a mismatch in this game. It feels like. And then Ram's Saints was another one that I had listed that's like this. I mean, the Saints have already left town, but Rams, you have to win this game if you're the Rams. There's a lot of back against the wall games this week. The Saints left town, but then they came back.

Yeah. They're like a cat. You hated this cat. It shit in the house all the time. You drove it outside town limits, left it, like opened up the door to its crate, put it out in the forest, and then the cat came back. Yeah. The cat showed up and the Saints, they've looked like a different football team since

the Rizzlers taking over. Yeah, the Rizzy and the Saints they've looked like a different football team. Yes, the Rizler is taking over Yeah, the Rizzi Rizzi God. Yeah, it's doing the thing. Yeah, don't you feel like this is the last stand for the Rams? Yes, you have to win this game Yes, go win this game if you don't if the Rams don't win this game, then I think your pinkies a hundred percent safe Yes, I would say I would say it's already safe. That's why I made it my pinky team All right a couple games that are good games I'd say it's already safe. That's why I made it my pinky team. All right, a couple games that are good games.

The last two, Eagles at Ravens. Ravens minus three over under 51. I'm gonna say right now, this is my, if the Eagles win this game, their for real game. Max? So what does that mean if they lose? They're not for real. They mean not for real.

Can you hear me? Yeah, yeah, we can hear you. They're not for real. They have to win this game to be for real. So losing on the road at Baltimore, real. They have to win this so losing on the road at Baltimore like they just have to win every single game to be for real Yeah, that's why I did that because I've done that a couple weeks and you're like what the fuck why is every single week? They have to be the win this game. I'm for real. I was trolling you man. No, no, no, that's me being dumb That's me being done. Okay. That's okay. Oh

Do you think I wear that win game. The Ravens do stop the run very well. Are you worried? Jalen hurts. Maybe he has to win this game. Yeah. This is a tough game. Yeah. This is obviously a tough game. I'm not going to overreact one way or the other. Actually, no, I will. So they win this game. If they win this game, they're favorites to win the Superbowl. But I'm telling myself I will not overre game. If they wi to win the Super Bowl. Bu I will not overreact if t It's going to be a close coached too well with dec games. I still, I do thin

very well right now. I'm game. I think this game m the kickers. There's two been great this year that I think, I think this game might come down to the kickers. There's two kickers that haven't been great this year that are historically good. I think the kickers are gonna be a factor in this game. That's my take. Okay, okay. I would say the winner of this game,

I would put them firmly as the second most likely team to win the Super Bowl in each conference. Yes, yes. No, I, if the Eagles win this game, I don't know why they wouldn't be just as likely as the Lions. The Lions are better at everything. They're that way right now. But... Okay.

Wait, wait a minute. You said if the Eagles win this game, they're second most likely to win the NSC? Yeah, he said, firmly. I said, firmly. Yeah, they already are. But yeah, I'm with you, Max, the fact that I I know the Lions have been killing teams And I know the Lions look really good, but I think the Eagles like if those two teams play Well, it will matter a lot where they play because if the Eagles can somehow get the one seed I think that changes the entire dynamic of the NFC playoffs

But I think that's as evenly match a game as you can get. Yeah, I agree. OK. We're all on the same page. Except PFT. This will be a fun game this weekend. This will be a fun game to see where everyone's at. See where the Ravens are at. See where the Eagles are at. PFT is not on the same page with you in terms of where

the Lions are versus the Eagles. He thinks the Lions are way, way, way, way, way better. I just think they're the best team in the NFL. Well, yeah. Then you just said that they were better at every fast end then we looked at this stats and you were just wrong So I was wrong about that. That's that's correct more wrong evidence Your opinion might not don't take the bait there matter. I know I think my opinion matters national sports podcast I think that you're being a little disrespectful of the city of Detroit and everything that the Lions have accomplished this season They're a historically good football team right now. It's a great story

I'm rooting for my underdogs up in Detroit and I'm still showing respect to the Eagles No, it's not I don't think you are and I'm not saying that the like the I'm not saying that the Eagles are better than the Lions I'm just saying that the Eagles and the Lions need to be on in the same conversation the Lions. I'm just saying that the Eagles and the Lions need to be on in the same conversation. I agree. I think the Lions are better than that. We're literally having that conversation right now. I think the Lions are better than the Eagles. I think the difference- But I'm forcing that conversation. Yeah. I think the Lions are better than the Eagles right now. I think the difference between

the two teams is razor thin. Does that fit or something? I'm fine with that. Yeah. I'm fine with that. But the other national podcasts around the world are not saying that they're saying it's the Lions and then everybody else Yeah, and I just wanted to say that I don't think that's the case. Yeah No, I think that well you gotta win this game to prove it Listen, especially if the Eagles get the one seed and Detroit has to go in the cold to Philadelphia I would say that that's about as close to a toss-up game as you can get. Yeah, is that good enough for you?

Yeah, that's fine. I'll accept that. Okay. All right You're gonna drive me crazy You're gonna drive me absolutely insane can you imagine looking across the Thanksgiving table at Hank no knowing he's betting against all your Smiling games yeah, just just smirking all right last game And then we'll do our picks and we'll get to Kirk Cousins Niners at bills bills minus six and a half over under six Over under sorry 46. I don't really we're taping this on Tuesday this game You can't handicap or talk about if you don't know if Brock Purdy's playing or not. Yeah, we don't know what's gonna happen It's a bills route if he's not if it's Brandon Allen again Yeah, take the bills for everything if it's Brock Purdy probably still also take the bills

Yeah, cuz I think the 49ers are broken. Here's a stat that I was, I read, but I didn't fact check. So if it's wrong, whatever, I don't care. Doug McDermott, or sorry, Sean McDermott. Sean McDermott and Josh Allen are 19 and two in the regular season in December in January regular season games So they finished the seasons very strong. Mm-hmm. Is there any chance also might not be true Wait, are you pulling up something about Daniel Jones right now? Just trying to see if there's a chance he goes to the Niners. Yeah, I was gonna say that seems like It seems like a fit for him, right? It seems like Kyle Shanahan would like a quarterback as a backup like that

It's certainly a lot better than than Brandon L, but he wants to play for contender I don't know if you can call the 49ers a contender right now Like even with Brock Purdy, would you say that the 49ers know I've been on the 49ers are broken for a month now And yeah, I don't I haven't seen like even in their wins They've played with their food and they're in some of their wins. They're just just yeah I don't think they're I think they're broken I think they're just having a really bad season from hell where everything's gone wrong and it's it I don't expect them to yeah was that just that was pug is like oh for four since I complimented him you've been to his head just by random noise while

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no, no, no. You had, you had the conviction. You had the conviction. Jamar Chase is more likely to score. Yeah. Conviction. Drake London. That's good conviction. OK, that's going to be some good odds. Let's win this one. Let's win this one. All right, our picks, our picks.

So we obviously just did our one pick for Thanksgiving. So we don't know what the records are as we're taping this one but so I go first am I going first I will take first up give me the Seahawks minus two and a half okay I will take the Steelers Bengals under 47 Ravens Eagles over 51. Max. I will take the Rams minus 3. Yeah.

Wait, who? Yeah, Max gets one pick. Oh, PFT gets two. I'm going to take the Saints plus three. And then I'm going to take the Seahawks Jets over. Has that been taken? No, I don't think so. Seahawks Jets over 41 and 1 half.

OK. Max. I am going to take the, wait, did you take Seahawks Jets over? Yeah. Or under? Over. Which one? Over. I will take that under. OK. I'm going to go with the number of jets over. Yeah, I did over. Which one over II

will I will take that under okay. So Max and I are going head to head on two picks. Love that love that. Oh wait. What's it? Oh, that's big. I mean this this could be everything this might this might be the weekend that cost one of us the

bachelor party or given the way we've all picked guys will go one on one. Yeah, possibly. I mean, that's been, we're really bad. We go 500, or worse. Okay, memes. I'm going Primetime Jamis plus five and a half. Love it. I'm gonna go Will Levis and the Titans plus five and a half. Okay, has anyone taken the Patriots cults over? 42 and a half. No, but I like

it. Yeah. Okay. Let's just play over games. Okay. Should we finish up with fantasy fuck boys before we get to Kirk Cousins? Brought to you by Body Armor. The segment is brought to you by Body Armor. Real hydration, real ingredients packed with electrolytes, vitamins and nothing artificial. Body Armor sports drinks has great tasting flavors like strawberry banana and blue raspberry. Not only do we hydrate with Body Armor, but some of the best athletes in the world do as well like Christian McCaffrey, Joe Burrow and Sabrina Ionescu. So go get your Body Armor today at your Walmart or local grocery store near you. Okay. Oy, oy, oy. Oy. Hey. It's Johnny oye, oye. Oye. Hey,

it's Johnny Salami. Didn't even know we were doing this week. My stardom. Leftovers. Leftovers. Good stardom. Good stardom. You've probably paused the podcast. You're listening to this on Friday. You got the leftovers in the fridge. Get up, go put some in the microwave. Get yourself a nice meal. Good for the whole weekend My sitem is Drake. Drake. I don't know what the fuck this guy's doing. It's a rap battle He's going to fucking court getting lawyers involved. What a fucking loser I remember back in rap back in my days people ended up dead over rap battles not in court Yeah, or locked in Diddy's basement. Yeah

What are your thoughts on Diddy? Bad guy. Okay. Kill Biggie.? bad guy okay kill Biggie bad guy killed Biggie killed a lot of people my sleeper yeah Jonathan Taylor yeah there we go okay good good he hasn't scored in two weeks nice he hasn't scored in two weeks he's due PMT Pallet pick nice Jonathan Taylor nice that's a great pick that's a great pick. That's a great pic. I love it Hey, what's up fuckheads? This is Sean Stilado. Nice. What's up, Sean? I definitely knew that we were doing fantasy fuck. Yeah this week. They were me and I'm not I'm not stalling before I get to

My first one. I'm just saying for for the record some of us come prepared to this podcast Yep, like me back Sean Stililato I'm starting deep frying your turkey yeah deep fry that Friday toss toss that Friday toss that bitch in the oil make sure hey safety first yeah make sure you fry it indoors make sure you don't defrost the turkey at all and make sure you drop it in all at once yeah that's the key to having a real great, safe, delicious, juicy deep fried turkey. Yeah. Uh, my sit-um this week is gonna be Drake.

Because Drake's a bitch. Oh yeah. And Drake doesn't know what he's doing. And guess what? Now he just made a very, very powerful, powerful enemy out of most of the listening public. And we're gonna find out about this Kendrick Lamar song and listen to it even more. What is it, the Brits? And he's gonna be going on, Kendrick's gonna be at the Super Bowl in Lil Wayne's house

trashing everybody. Big year for Kendrick Lamar. Yeah. Love that guy. And then my sleeper this week is gonna be Drake London. That guy's gonna catch multiple touchdowns possibly from Kirk Cousins Yep, a good Italian guy Kirk and he's gonna be throwing to Drake in the end zone Yeah, I'm sleeping Drake and I'm sitting Drake. Okay, so what's up guys? It's Anthony lasagna. I

Knew we were doing this too. I just thought we were doing it, but I didn't prepare anything either Well, no, I did prepare something. Oh, what'd you prepare? My stardom is rivalry week. Yeah. Yeah, these two teams don't like each other. They're gonna play in rivalries all weekend. It's gonna be sick.

Throw out the record book when Texas and Texas A&M get together. Yeah, my sit-em is gonna be shorts. Why? It's- It's winter season. It's Thanksgiving's official start of no shorts. It's getting chilly. Oh really? It's cold outside official start of no shorties. Oh really? It's cold outside. Summer's over. Keep your beers outside.

Yeah, and my sleeper is Drake Bulldogs. The college basketball team. They're 6-0. Love that. They won the Charleston tournament. The good, the bad, the ugly for Drake's this week. Yeah. Yeah, that's it. That's all of them. Very cool. That was Fancy Fuck Boys. Before we get to Kirk Cousin, I have Breaking Moose. Breaking Moose! Very cool. That was fancy fuck boys before we get to Kirk Cousin I breaking moose I just got a text message from Big Dom. Oh, yeah You listening Max? Big Dom text me. It was just a picture of the Rizzler

And he said how are you bro? Tell Max I have some Eagles gear for him. Love this kid. He could be my son. Oh, that's awesome. Love this kid. He could be my son. Just so you know, it's about the Rizzler Max. Oh, no, that's about the Rizzler, but he has Eagles gear for you. That was the picture of the Rizzler and then I love this kid. That'll be my son. Yeah. Yeah. He's got Eagles gear for you. Yeah. Big Dom's the best. I'll always take the Eagles gear. I get great compliments on all the Eagles gear that he sends me. He is the best. He is the best. Uh, okay. Uh, let's do our interview with Kirk cousins. Kirk cousins is brought to you by aura frames. Let's be honest. What most people really want for the holidays is to see their favorite people more often. That's why this year, the

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That's real. Holy shit. Is it a real wall? Like, this is like a... You're in the future! We should just start the interview right now. Is that... It's Kirk Cousins, a recurring guest, friend of the program. Is that L D Cousins or is that textured? Can you touch

that? Cause I want to know like I, like I can go, I can go back here. Yeah. Like that's sick. Like my hand can go behind the Falcon. Okay. Well, all right. So this is the first question. This is actually perfect. First question going from, Oh, clap. Can we run everything? All right. So we'll just jump right in. Uh, Kirk Cousins with us, recurring guest. Uh, how was the switch from purple to black? Because I mean, like you had to get a whole new wardrobe, right? Oh my goodness. It was a, it was a big switch. Uh, the wardrobe, you know, I'd love to tell you that was the biggest challenge. Uh, but there were a lot of other challenges with switching teams, but yes, certainly the wardrobe. I'd love to tell you that was the biggest challenge, but there were a lot of other challenges with switching teams. But yes, certainly the wardrobe.

I heard a lot of high school friends who said, man Kirk, I bought the Michigan State stuff, then I bought the Washington stuff, then I bought the Minnesota stuff. Now I got to buy Falcon stuff. So I think I've cost my family and family friends a lot of money over the years switching teams. But yeah, the wardrobe changed. We kind of took a lot of our purple and gold stuff and had to drop it off at my neighbor's house in Minnesota and say, hey, you guys can go through this

because we'll keep a few things as mementos, but the rest we don't really have a use for anymore. Yeah. How did you feel the first time you put on the all black? Like I always think of the Mike Vick era, all black Falcons uniform. I like the swagger the Falcons have always had. I mean think of the Mike Vick era all-black Falcons uniform. I like the swagger the Falcons have always had. I mean you mentioned Mike Vick, you mentioned Deon Sanders is another one that comes to mind. I love our throwbacks we wear with the red helmets.

I grew up in the Chicago suburbs, Barrington is where I would have gone to high school before I moved to Michigan and we were red and black and so it kind of takes me back to my childhood growing up in Barrington, outside Chicago. So I love it. And, you know, you always look a little better when you're winning and playing well. So that's that's usually what you got to do. Yeah. Yeah. You're a Blackhawks fan. So you got you can just crossover like that. It's perfect. Sweet. I want to go back to something because you said

you would say that the switch in colors is the hardest part about joining a new team. But it wasn't. What is the hardest part about joining a new team But it wasn't what is the hardest part about joining a new team because I don't even I don't think that's ever kind of crossed my mind players especially someone who's been in the league for as long as you've been in the league and had a Success to be like alright now. I got a kind of not start over but kind of start over, right? Yeah, so I used to joke with my wife when I was in Minnesota I would say I don't know if I'm putting pressure on myself to Yeah, so I used to joke with my wife when I was in Minnesota, I would say, I don't know if I'm putting pressure on myself

to play well because I want to play well, or if it's because I never want to move again. Right, yeah, right. Because moving from Washington to Minnesota, it was really difficult to start over. Nice to meet you, I'm Kirk. Tell me how to call the plays. Tell me who my teammates are, what do they do well?

You just, you start over from scratch and you're in, I was in year seven, but I felt like a rookie and it felt like it took a whole season to get to a place where you go, okay, I really have been here, I'm established, I'm one of the guys, it took time, but now I'm here. And I knew when you change teams, you have to take that on.

So it wasn't a surprise, but it's but there's no easy way to do it. You can't just snap your fingers and make up for the last several years of not being there. So I worked as hard as I could this offseason to create that. I thought we did a good job, but that's just the big challenges. And then you have all the off the field stuff of finding a house and moving and living out of boxes for a while. But it's amazing because you see on the ticker, like, you know, like NBA or major league baseball so and so, you know, is traded or so and so switches teams.

And it's just kind of like a simple thing. And the next night you see him in a different Jersey, but you all kind of forget all that goes with that. Yeah. In baseball season, I always wonder how long it takes them to figure out the new individualized personal handshakes that you have with everybody on the team. That would be a tough, and you strike me as a guy that would want to say hi to everybody at the facility. Like every employee try to learn their names. How do you learn names? Do you have a trick? I wish I had a trick like Michael Scott

in the office, but pretty much just try to memorize. And when I got here, I asked for basically like a yearbook printout of different staff so I could start to try to learn names. But even that, like the NFL staff from when I was in Washington to now, it feels like they've doubled in size. And so every staff, the strength staff, the training room, the PR team, it's just so many more people. And that's a good thing, but it's also a lot more people to get to know Yeah, how is the the Achilles feeling and do you have any words of wisdom for your Sunday Night Football?

Yeah Broadcasting partner Mike Torrico. Yeah and fellow Michigander. Just learned just learned that he tore his Achilles crazy, but Yeah, I don't I maybe the Achilles were we're torn at the same rate 20 years ago, but it feels like something you hear a lot more about now than we did when I was growing up. But it's coming along. It's been great. I'm really grateful that I've been able to play this whole season and was able to go through all the training camp and really much of OTAs.

And so the injury was a setback. It was a lot of unknowns. But now looking back, I'm grateful that it was really more of a bump in the road than a true detour in this football journey. Yeah. I mean, it's also, I mean, you tore your Achilles on a NFL football field.

I feel like most guys our age, we tear our Achilles doing the dumbest things possible. I'm very nervous that it's like we play pick up hoops every Friday here. Yeah. Time bomb. I'm just waiting for it to happen we play pick up hoops every Friday. Yeah, time bomb. I'm just waiting for it to happen. Yeah, that's not a good feeling. When I'm retired, I'm going to play

pick up basketball and a lot of tennis. And I kind of worry about my other one. I don't worry as much about my surgically repaired one because it's pretty locked down. But the other one I wonder about. So we'll see. But honestly, I love sports so much and I love playing. It's, it's worth the risk. As you guys know.

Yeah. Yeah. So, all right. So grade this take for us because you, you know, you're having a great season. The Falcons are top of the NFC South right now. Go back though to week one, we thought, okay, Kirk, coming back from an Achilles injury, then having to face TJ Watt was probably not the funnest game possible And that like we I think we said the Monday show that we did we're like look It would they look like it was maybe a little too fast just to start but he'll be fine and you could see that as The weeks went on it's like you got your feet back to you. You got your mind back to you

Is that fair to say that it was like holy shit? Being out and having to kill new Achilles that I have to trust in the pocket against TJ Watt is not exactly how I wanted to start the season. I think you were spot on, but probably less so about the Achilles and more just period. Just being out since the previous year, week eight, it did feel like, all right, I gotta get some rust off.

If I had a fully healthy Achilles that never tore And I've been out since week 8th year before There was still an element of or there that was the element was I got a you know This got to get familiar again wearing a red jersey in practice not playing in a preseason game It was a big jump to the real deal and then we played it like you said a really good defense that has kind of proven All year to be one of the better in the league so that was that was something that I was like, okay, this needs to get back here quickly. And even in Philly the next week, another good defense, uh, you know, we did okay.

We moved the football, but it was really the last drive of the game in the two minutes that started to feel like, okay, we're starting to, I'm starting to get more comfortable. And, um, and the NFL season, so much of a roller coaster, you have weeks where you think you figured it out and then you have a week that sets you back and you wonder if you can even gain a yard. And so it kind of goes the whole gamut, but, um, certainly do feel like, you know, I've worked my way back now. And that's a good feeling to know that after all we went through last year, tearing it and rehab and it feel like, okay, I'm back now is that's, that's encouraging and what you always wanted. Yeah. So talking about the rollercoaster, how how do you how do you stay even keel during a

NFL season because From where we sit If like the Bears lose a game or pretty much any game I watch I'm like, oh that team stinks forever And then I just write them up or like a team wins. You're like, that's the best team I've ever seen in my life. We don't really emotionally stay even keel. So how the hell are you, are you able to do it? We can and we count. I wish I could tell you I do it. Well, I know what I need to do. Now, whether or not I do it is a different story. Um,

it's hard not to ride the roller coaster. It's hard. You know, I, I internalize the losses and you take them hard. And sometimes, like Bill Walsh, I heard he used to take the losses really, really hard, but he did not celebrate the wins in the other direction. It was sort of like a win got you back to zero and then a loss was like negative 10. And you only kind of live and the negatives are at zero. And I can relate to that. The win never really takes you to plus 10. You just always feel like, okay, we got the next game and we got to get the next one. But the loss is hurt.

And so it does beat you up. It is a roller coaster, but you do try to just, okay, one game at a time, stay the course. Each game counts as its own entity. You kind of tell yourself the same messaging. And Mike Shanahan told me my rookie year, I think it was Kyle Shanahan used the phrase a lot too. He would say, tough times don't last tough people do. And so I would just always say that to myself. You just got to get back up, get on the horse one more time, choose to be a

tough person and believe that if you do that, you'll last and that the tough time will pass. And, uh, you know, that's always kind of helped me through the tough losses. Yeah. Michael Silver was on our show a few weeks ago and he shared a pretty interesting story about your time in DC. He said that after you got in and you started playing pretty well as a backup for RG3, but when he would be hurt, you'd fill in, you'd do a great job. That in his exit interview, Mike Shanahan went to Dan Snyder and said, you should make Kirk the starting quarterback of the team and you should trade Robert because you're never going to get as high a price for Robert.

And Kirk's actually the guy that you want to build around moving forward. Did you get that sense at the time that he was like all in on you? Yeah, I don't know the details of those conversations. I know when I was drafted, their message was we really believe in you. That's why we kind of picked you in an unconventional manner. But our plan would be to trade you in a few years.

If you can play well in pre-season games, you would really help us because then you can become an asset and we can trade you for a draft pick that we can get or whatever. So, but then as we went, they always were very affirming, encouraging, believed in me. And that's really continued, even long after they left Washington. I've always kind of viewed

Coach Mike Shanahan as a mentor, and I'll always reach out to him to get his input on things. But yeah, someday we'll have to all go back and kind of rehash those years in Washington. But Yeah, someday we'll have to all go back and kind of rehash those years in Washington. But it helps to always have people in your corner. And I do think that Mike and Kyle and Matt LaFleur and Sean McVay, Mike McDaniel, even Raheem Morris, he was there too. They were all in my corner and that really helped me believe in myself. Because at the time, I think you even wonder, like, am I good enough to play in this league? And when you have them telling you you are, it really helps.

Yeah, that's crazy that you got drafted and they're like, Hey, you're an asset and we're not gonna play you. And then obviously you ended up playing, but that's gotta be a weird feeling. Cause you wanna play football. I think it's pro football. I think that's the way it is. I mean, I remember going to Michigan state

and signing your scholarship and feeling like, okay, I'm the quarterback in this recruiting class. I'm gonna be the guy to kind of lead this group of freshmen coming in next year. And two weeks later, Coach D'Antonio calls me and says, hey, change of plans. We're going to take a second quarterback. His name's Nick Foles. He's going to sign here this weekend.

And you're like, oh, okay. So you realize pretty quickly, like, we're all just assets and people are going to do what they need to do to kind of build up their team. And it may not be in your best interest but you've got to always just compete and do the best you can and in that case it worked out for me and Nick both but it was kind of from day one of college football like okay it's a competition and you got to earn your spot every day and it's kind of been that way now for I guess 18 years now. It gave you those anger issues at Michigan State where you had to go and beat up the entire hockey team Yeah, yeah. Oh my goodness people don't know these backstories like you do. So you may have to go into detail later

But yeah, I I wake up one morning. We play Ohio State the night before I wake up the next day I stay with my family in a hotel near but near campus because they stayed in town After the game and I come to find out that it's being reported that I led a fight on campus at the local hockey house and to this day I have no idea why my name got brought up as the ringleader but all my teammates thought it was hilarious because they actually know me. Yeah. And they were going to sell t-shirts that said I party with Kirk Cousins on the back it would say late nights and hockey fights but uh yeah and so they like to report on the news and everything but there was nothing to it and so it died but uh it on the news and everything, but there was nothing

to it and so it died. But yeah, that's pretty good that you would even know that. That was like 20 years ago. Yeah. The bad boy reputation of Kirk Cousins. Yeah. Don't fuck with Kirk Cousins. Wait, so going back to like going to Michigan State and the Nick Foles, if you were in today's

college football and that happened, would you have transferred? Because I do think that there's a weird- Yeah, what a great question. Yeah. Great question. Yeah, because it's a weird thing that happens now Because I do think that there's a weird. Yeah, what a great question. Yeah. Great question. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because it's a weird thing that happens now where I think guys might give up a little too quickly and look for somewhere they can start right away

and they don't realize that staying with a program and seeing it out is very beneficial in a lot of ways. So the what ifs I've asked myself are would I have transferred right away, potentially, missed out on a lot? What if I had had the chance to transfer after my first year starting or my second year starting and just said, you know, hey, I'm going to go to the best opportunity. It may be Michigan State, it may not.

Like I don't know. I think you kind of would have missed out on what it means to be a Michigan State Spartan and to kind of have that as your program the rest of your life. You know, it may have been more lucrative to switch teams, but just seems like a, it's just a totally different world. It's one I didn't live in. And so it's hard for me to put myself there and asking yourself those questions makes you realize how different college football is now.

I know it's crazy. I mean, there's a chance that you go somewhere else and it's the perfect situation for you and that's all well and good. But there's also the aspect of if you stay at a program for a while that you go somewhere else and it's the perfect situation for you and that's all well and good. But there's also the aspect of, if you stay at a program for a while, you get that whole network of people that you have to be in touch with for the rest of your life.

Well, we started this interview talking about how much I don't like to move. So maybe I wouldn't have wanted to leave, but no, I remember thinking, okay, once I signed my scholarship at that time, if I transfer, I have to sit out a year. Right. And who knows in a year what could happen.

So I remember feeling like pretty stuck, like, okay, I've got to make this work or plan on sitting out a year. And what ended up happening was Nick just, it really wasn't that I had beat him out. The competition really hadn't even gotten started yet, but he transferred to Arizona and that's what he had to do. He had to sit out a year and he was patient

and then ended up playing there and ended up getting drafted ahead of me. So, it all worked out for everybody, but yeah, it was a long, long journey. Yeah. What kind of car are you driving now, Kirk? I remember you used to have that sick ass minivan. It was nice.

It was a good minivan. So I still have that conversion van, not that, sorry, not that conversion van. That conversion van is totaled, but I had to double down and I went to the conversion van Explorer vans in Northwest Indiana. I went to their factory and I went through and I picked out all the specs I want.

So I've got the full moon roof. Oh, hell yes. Like the bucket seats that can swivel, like perfect for like road tripping with your family to big 10 college football games. So I still have that style of conversion van, but it's not my daily driver like it used to be when I was in DC. So the daily drivers, Mercedes-Benz,

I got a great partnership here with them in Atlanta, which is a sweet deal when you move here and you realize that playing quarterback for the Falcons, you get to drive a Mercedes that was that was awesome. Yeah, yeah, that's pretty good. They got the Sprinter. If you ever are looking to seriously upgrade, get one of those Sprinters with like the four rows in it.

Trick that thing. I feel like that's almost like above my brand. Like I'm more of a true conversion van guy than when you go to like Sprinter van style. That's like another altitude. Yeah, I mean, you're to like Sprinter van style that's like another altitude yeah even you go you're driving around Sprinter van you're just expecting like a drunk bachelor party to try to get in at any point like if you stop too long in a red light the I want a conversion van so bad I'm awesome I know I want to read all bad I I tell my wife that I'm like I'm gonna we're gonna

get a conversion van or an RV like later on in life and just drive around America and she's like well not with me so I think I'll be the end of our marriage, but my wife did not like the concept and she She's usually right about everything but on this one. She'll admit she's like, you know what this conversion van is pretty sweet You sit high. It's comfortable. The boys always have entertainment. There's plenty of room. We can pack a lot We drove it when I when I signed with the Falcons, like the day it was out that I was going to sign with Atlanta, we were in the van and road tripping to Atlanta from Michigan.

So we even did the conversion van road trip to come be a Falcon. That's awesome. I love that. I love that. So we haven't talked to you since you were on quarterback on Netflix. Has it changed at all? I mean, I think we all watched it and we're like, Kirk Cousins is just like a really awesome dude. Like that was kind of our takeaway. Like they're, you know, it,

whatever you think about him and we were watching him, it's like, yeah, he's, you know, he's getting his sweat sweaters from, you know, Coles or target. And like, he's just an awesome dude. So has anything changed at like your, the perception that you feel or even your wife getting recognized? Like has anything changed from that? Yeah, you said it. Uh, my wife was kind of the star of the show. Um, besides Patrick Mahomes and uh, uh, she definitely gets recognized a lot more, um, which is fun. And uh, I think people getting to know me is what's really fun about it, because you don't get

a chance for your fans to get to know you just playing for the team. They know you as a football player, but they don't know you as a person. And I felt like that show, in one way or another, just kind of helped people who have followed me or followed the teams I've played on to get to know me a little better, which was a huge win. And then also just for posterity sake, like my boys are pretty young. So in 10 years to be able to pull up that show and say, Hey boys, you want to kind of go down memory lane and kind of see some of what dad did in the 2022 football season. I think that'll be valuable content to have. So

that's kind of fun too is, and a win coming out of it. Yeah. Your whole movies are on Netflix. Yeah Really it's in the cloud I like that I read that you're a big musical guy and Have you had a chance to see wicked yet? So you are on it and I just appreciate the research you've done because you're hitting all the all the main points on Saw wicked last Thursday We were on our bye weekweek, got to go, brought the boys. I had a hard time because I was singing along to all the songs in the movie

theater. I don't think the people around me like that. But I was waiting for my wife to like nudge me and she never really did. So I just kept singing. But I was in like a high school swing choir at my high school and we sang the Wicked songs. So like I learned them without having seen the musical. Then I saw the musical in college. And so when the movie came out, I had to go. It's awesome, but it's just part one. I didn't know that.

I thought it was the whole story, but it's just part one. And then the conclusion comes out next year at this time. So a big musical guy, my mom put us in musicals growing up. We went to a bunch of musicals growing up. Just love it. You should be in the second one. Yeah. Like as an extra. So I was trying to get in Happy Gilmore too, but they were taping in New Jersey during

the season so I couldn't get there. So it's not a bad idea to try to get in a musical. But my dream is, or not my dream, but like a retirement goal is to be like a background person in like a local musical in my hometown. And have like, you know, the people come to the show and be like, is that, that cousin is in the back there doing a box step? I'll be like, yeah, that's, that's me. So on my many lists of things to do in retirement, it'll be, have a small role in a local musical. I love that.

Yeah, that's great. You should get one in Wicked too though. I feel like there's somebody out there like your guys Platform is a great springboard to make this happen Yeah, you can get this done you want to get like the average dude football fan to go see wicked to put Kirk Cousins in The back of it. Yeah, we all show up. Yeah, so how do you like it Atlanta things been going pretty good? Yeah, what's what's the the one thing that's different about the offense that you're running right now, uh, that was like the hardest to adjust to compared to Minnesota. Uh, that's a good question. I think, uh, Zach Robinson is our play caller. You know, it's

just a different person. I've had nine play callers in 13 years and, uh, and so that change has always been difficult. Um, but what I've been fortunate to have is nine good play callers. So aside from the change, I've kind of always have is nine good play callers. So aside from the change, I've kind of always been around a guy who knows what he's talking about, knows what he's doing. It's just more about us kind of getting on the same page and meshing our backgrounds. And so that's partly what's happened with me and Zach is just kind of meshing our backgrounds. And that happens a little bit with the whole team, you know, like saying to Drake London and Darnell Mooney, hey, here's what I've done in the past.

What have you guys done in the past? What are your favorite routes? Here's my favorite routes. Here's what I did with Justin Jefferson. Do you think you can, you know, get comfortable doing that? And just trying to get on the same page there. And even with the old line coach, you know, hey, do you like this run? Do you like that run?

If I get this blitz on this run, do you want me to check to a different runner? Do you want me to leave it on? Like, and sometimes you're like the old line coach in Minnesota would say, Hey, check that run, go to a different one. I then got here in OTAs. I started to check the run and the O-line coach is saying, why are you checking it? I like to run this run into that look. So you realize there's different philosophies and you've kind of got to rewire your brain to learn what these coaches want to do. Um, but it all works, you know, as long as everybody's on the same page and we know what they want, it, it, there's no one way to do. But it all works, you know, as long as everybody's on the same page and we know what they want, there's no one way to do it.

Yeah. Should we talk about walking your trap, take over your trap? Absolutely we should. How do you think that's going right now? Because it was very funny, the press conference. I don't know if everyone was into it in the tunnel, but maybe I read it wrong. No, no. You actually are very perceptive. So I made the mistake. I didn't prep anybody. I just sprung it on him. So the front row, I'll never forget, Zach Harrison, one of our D linemen, was all about it, looking me in the eye. Totally like my hype man. And then I realized like the guy like five rows back, can't even hear what I'm saying. So there was buy-in,

but like there wasn't good communication on my part to get the whole team on board. Yeah. But like the three guys that could hear me, we really had it going, you know? No, it's good. I remember when I was playing for the Vikings, we always used to bring this boom box out in the tunnel. I think a lot of teams do that, but they would play that, that rap sometimes walk in your trap, take over your trap. If we went to an away game.

And so at a press conference, they asked me about the importance of winning on the road. And that just came to mind. Like, yeah, I mean, you're supposed to walk into someone's trap and take over. And, and one thing led to the next. Now we've actually lost our last two away games, so we've got we've got some work to do on that front, but it's still a rallying crime. It doesn't change. Win or lose. It's still something you got to do in this league.

Yeah, we just you just got to let everyone know that that's what you're going to be doing in the tunnel. So we can get it. I got to like brief them before. Yeah. Bring it out of. Yeah. But you can also use that for home games like they're trying to walk into our trap. We can't let them. This is my trap. Yeah, defend our trap.

Exactly. You're exactly right. And yeah, as a guy with a musical background, I probably just assumed everybody's just going to jump into my chant and buy right in. But some guys didn't grow up doing musicals. Work to be done. Yeah. How awesome is it to just hand the ball to Bichon Robinson?

I was gonna ask that question. And just watch what he does. The mark of a great running back among other traits is can they make the first guy miss? And as I had a high school friend comment recently, they said, he makes the first guy miss every time. So it's fun. I mean, the thing is, I don't care if it's a pitch, if it's a handoff, if it's a pass. Like, let's just get the ball in his hands. I used to say this about Dalvin Cook. Let's just get the ball in his hands

and good things happen, especially when you get the ball in space. So he's having a great year playing at a really high level. And it's just more about as defenses are keying on him, how can we be creative and how can we get the ball in his hand in space so he can go do his thing? Yeah.

Yeah, he's so much fun to watch. So fun. People get mad at me because every Monday when we do the recap, I'd say three minutes of the Falcons recap is just like, I love watching Pijon. Everything he does. It just creates some of the moves. He's got great hands.

He could legitimately play wide receiver here in the NFL because he can run routes. He has late hands. He tracks the ball well. But we found the best way to use him, I think, is similar to how the Saints have used Camaro, which is he's going to show up in the pass game, but we don't need to make him a wide receiver. He's going to have receiving production just as a running back. And so, I just think he's a big asset and You know, and I kind of wonder what his ceiling is You know if we can continue to get him more and more productive to where he can really do some special things He's got that great dead leg where he puts the leg in the ground and then takes it away and the guy just sprints

Past me. How did how did that even happen does not compute? Yeah Oh, you got another I was gonna say it's it's it's Kirk Cousins revenge season coming up right now. You've got two revenge games I think both away games, right? So you're going at Minnesota. You're going at Washington Which is the biggest revenge game for you? Well, I would say that well, I'd love to win them you know, and I said this when I went to Washington 22, like, there's just so much gratitude for what they did for me. Like, first of all, they drafted me, Washington.

Second of all, they franchise tagged me twice. Like they, they changed my whole life. And then Minnesota, you know, much the same way, even more so the way they brought me in for agency, you know, gave me a great contract, gave me great opportunity, gave me great coaches, great players around me for six years. And even on when I left, the way that Quacey handled it, Kevin handled it, ownership, Rob Brzezinski, they just handled it so well. My agent would get off every call with them and just say, Kirk, the Vikings are just handling

it really well. They're being honest, they're being candid, they're being open. It's just been a great process. Yes, I want to win, but there's just so many people in that building that I care about. Revenge probably wouldn't be the word as much as just wanting to go walk in their trap, I guess, and play well and do your thing. But but but man, I it's hard for me not to root for everybody there too, you know? Yeah, I mean, that's the perfect Kirk Cousins answer. It's like, it's not it's not a revenge game.

You're two nights of a guy. You're like when like, somebody sees like a dog that they haven't seen in years and the dog like freak sound is super happy to see him. That's not that's not revenge. That's like you, you just being Kirk cousins, but I would, if you had revenge and like hate in your heart for those games, I would actually bet against you because I'd be like, that's not, I want Kirk to be Kirk, not to like have this giant chip on his shoulder on a fuck everybody tour. That would be concerning to me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sometimes, sometimes that Kirk still exists though. Adam

Thielen used to say like, you know, we need that dark Kirk. He would say like, we need that, that Kirk who's like, you know, the, you like that Kirk. So that guy's, that guy's still in there. I don't think you play as long as I've played unless that guy, you know, gets out every now and then it has some walking around money. Yeah. When was the last time dark Kirk came out? I think it's a great question. It's happened this year. It's happened multiple times this year. Box game. Yeah. I feel like that was... You probably have to ask my teammates a little bit. I've kind of gotten fiery in the locker room pregame a little bit. So he's shown up and usually people respond well to it,

you know, so, but you can't force it. You gotta let it happen. Yeah. How can we tell as viewers at home when we might be witnessing Dark Kirk? If you see me, if you see the veins in the neck, if you see me pointing my finger, if you see me pointing my finger in someone's chest,

if you see, you know, the scowl, if you see me pacing, Dark Kirk is starting to rise to the surface. I love it. I love it. I'm going to keep an eye out. Yeah. Sometimes the referee gets it. A lot of times the referee's the target. So that's another thing to look for. All right. So Kirk, this has been so much fun. We love having you on. I have one last question. It's a Roeback question.

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So open invite when you do retire. What should we expect from your game? If you come in and I would assume you just probably dominate us. I'm the high school version of Sean Livingston. Okay. Okay. So I am a, I'm a tall, uh, high school point guard who's not overly twitchy. Usually the high school point guard is the quickest guy in the court. I'm way taller than the guy I'm guarding, but I have a great, great floor vision. Like my ability to pass. I see it. I see I'm pass ahead. And then I'm great with the one-handed pass. I'm great like inbounds plays. I'm the guy passing it from the sideline or from the baseline. And if I'm on the far baseline, go deep and I'm launching it all the way down the court. Um, don't really look for my own shot, but I'll probably give you a six points a game and, uh, I'm going to communicate well on

defense. Uh, you sound like a dream. Yeah. Dream to play on pickup hoops. This is like the, like, if you had to say the perfect teammate and pick up hoops, it's like, as well and like, and communicate calls out the picks. Coach, coach, this is the conversation every day in the weight room. You know, Oh, who was our starting five on the Falcons? Who's our starting five on the Vikings for years? You hear this and I'm like, guys, not everybody can go drop 30 points. So like you want me on your starting five because I'm going to distribute, I'm going to bring the ball up the floor. I'm going to communicate on D. I'm going to be your backside help. You need that guy. So I kind of am like the Draymond for the Warriors. I don't have to

get all the accolades. I'll just fill in where I can and still be pretty productive. But I said that to Drake London, who's a great basketball player. I said, what's my NBA comp? And I kind of told him my game and he goes he goes Sean Livingston so I'm rolling with that and then before I sign off guys I'm a big John Gruden guy yes I go see him every year in Tampa we watch tape together he kind of challenges me he gases me up tells me what I'm doing well tells me what I'm not doing well all the stuff he's done talking talking ball with you guys lately. I've just lived that for years with him. It's so good. So I just think it's awesome that he's on board with you guys and I think he'll provide great content. But he's the best.

He's the absolute best. I don't know if you heard the story, but we watched the Eagles commanders game with him live stream. So we watched the whole game and then he gets on the plane the next day with Dave to go back to Florida and he was like, how did this end up on the internet? And Dave was like, what do you mean? And he's like, how'd this end up on the internet? He didn't realize that we were live streaming the entire game and he's so authentic. Like nothing like he was just him on the live stream. He just had no idea the cameras were on the entire time. He's so good. It's a perfect fit. He's going to provide great content. I learned so much from him all the time and there's really no off switch. He is one of one. When I was a

rookie, I didn't really know him at all, except for doing the Gruden QB camp coming out. Kyle Shanahan was his quality control guy way back in the day. Kyle said, it's like watching a movie. There's no off, but he's not acting. Like there is no off switch and it's amazing. So I always go down there at every off season cause I just feel like, man, two days with him, I'm going to come back excited about football, excited to put in the work, excited to lead,

challenge as to how I got to get better, but also, you know, pumped up. And if he, if he does that at all, half of what he's done for me, for the Barstool staff, he he's gonna be a huge ass. He's been awesome. He's the best. When you get like a tunnel screen called for you to throw during a game are you like man coach Gruden would hate this. He hates them. Oh yeah. There's all kinds of times where I'm like like little things that I know I have to do at a high high level because coach Gruden's watching and if I don't do it right, he's going to pull up his tape in March and show me.

One year I led the league in completion percentage. I think it was like 69.7, let's say. The first thing we do, I sit down with him in Tampa after the season. It might have been my first year starting. He opens up a black screen PowerPoint with white numbers and it just says 30.2. He goes, you know what that is? And I said, no, what is that? He said, that's the percentage of incompletions you had.

He goes, Kirk, he says something like, there's never been a 75% completion percentage guy in the NFL. He goes, you're the guy to do it. Like, I'm going to show you all the silly incompletions you had that you have no excuse for that you could have completed 80% of your passes if you had just completed these easy ones. And we go through this whole clip just to make me feel bad of all the passes I missed to Jordan Reed and to Pierre Garçon and to Sean Jackson. And so, um, it was stuff like that where you're like, heck yeah. Like I'm going

to go back and try to complete 80% of my passes. And like, I gotta be better. And there's no excuse for missing an open guy. And so he just challenged you and he's, he at heart. And I just love seeing him get back in it and have an impact. Yeah, he's the best. He's the best. Well, thank you so much, Kirk. This has been awesome, man. We love having you on. And if you're ever in town, we got to, I don't know if you're allowed to play pickup hoops while you're still playing the NFL, but maybe you could come and coach us. That would work. I would love it. I would love it. Someday, Sean Livingston, the high school version of Sean Livingston coming to its town near you. All right. Such a perfect comp. I love it someday Sean Livingston the high school version Sean Livingston coming to its town near you all right that's a perfect comp I love it thanks Kirk okay boys good long show for the people at home

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