Pardon My Take - "The Last Dance" Review, NFL Draft With Daniel Jeremiah + Mt Flushmore Of Toppings

Episode Date: April 20, 2020

The Last Dance is finally here and we review the first 2 episodes. Jerry Krause is America's new villain and the MJ clips were incredible. (2:30-24:54) Who's back of the week including Coach Duggs and beach bods. (24:55-40:58) NFL Draft preview with NFL Network's Daniel Jeremiah, why is Tua slipping? What position is deepest, what war rooms look like, and what scouts get wrong in the NFL. (42:49-1:20:17) Segments include 2 take quakes, (1:22:20-1:28:30) Mt Flushmore of toppings, (1:28:45-1:43:50) and Deep Dive with Billy Football as he explains his Beserker Bunker that he built by himself. Plus he may now own a zoo? Kind of concerning (1:45:12-1:59:48)You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/PardonMyTake

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We have Daniel Jeremiah. We have who's back of the week. We do a lot of NFL draft, it's draft week, NFL draft, deep dive. We have Mount Flushmore of toppings, and then we had Billy just tell us the bunker that he created. The Berserker bunker that's also half zoo, just an unintentionally hilarious Billy deep dive this week. Before we do all of that, part of my take is brought to you by the Cash App, not only

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I was going to actually start it with, and here we go, quote the late Heath Ledger, quote John Rostine before the last dance started, but I forgot it was 4.20, so lead story. Blaze it, blaze it good. What a night this was. You touched on it in the intro, but man, it felt awesome to all be doing the same thing at the same time as everybody. It was great. I didn't see a single tweet out there that said, oh, is this sports ball movie on?

I didn't see anybody being negative about it. It was just cool to experience something, even though there were commercials, it was cool to experience something again at the same time as everybody else. I missed you. Well, I agree with you, yeah, it was incredible, it's incredible first two episodes of the documentary, but it was also nice to like get back together and it felt like watching a big game felt like watching Sunday football. The commercials thing did fuck me up.

It was so weird when the first commercial came on, I was like, what the fuck is going on with my TV right now? Like the most I'm used to is that three seconds that Netflix gives you to watch the next episode of the office. And here I am having to watch like three minutes of non content, good content I don't want to watch. That hasn't even like come into my brain for the last 35 days. It's the one good thing about quarantine is commercials are just completely obsolete.

And here we are like suckers watching commercials. I hope that I hope that ESPN is getting like Super Bowl level money for the commercials because holy shit, we're captivated, we can't go anywhere and we're frozen out of fear. Like when the commercial came on, I thought my computer, I mean, my TV broke. Well, it's from the Facebook company now. They changed their name. It's like the Ohio State University is no longer just Facebook. You have to put that at the start of it.

And now they're trying to get us to put the robots inside our house after every fuckup that they've had over the last six years. That's probably what irritated me the most about the commercials was just that it was like Facebook being like, hey, can we put a spy in your house? That's cool, right? You guys don't have a problem with that. You got nothing else going on. But it was so good and it was so fun to watch alongside everybody else that I didn't even

mind. Like I needed a little bit of a break to take a breath because the stories are that compelling. And if you were born in the mid nineties, if you're born in the 2000s, you don't remember these teams. This this must be even better for you getting to watch all this shit for the first time. But like going behind the scenes and seeing all the drama that was going on. Let me just say, Jerry Krauss, congratulations, Carol Baskin, because you are off the hot seat as the most hated person in America.

Jerry Krauss sometimes in life and listen, as a fellow short guy, I think I'm definitely taller than Jerry Krauss. But as a fellow short guy, you have to know your place sometimes. And sometimes your place is just shut the fuck up and just don't do any, don't fuck up a good thing, Jerry. Shut the fuck up. Quit being an idiot. You look like a moron.

You got a stupid face. You're not going to improve anything. I was so mad. Here's the thing though. Jerry Krauss deserves to be hated for the way that the Bulls dynasty ended, but he also deserves credit for putting together, you know, being a big part of putting together the Bulls dynasty and the best Jerry Krauss quote out there that I've ever seen. I think it was a David Halberstam quote when he said Krauss deserved more credit than

he got, but wanted more credit than he deserved. So he's constantly stuck in that spot where he is like, I should be getting more credit. And he probably in a weird way should, but he wanted so much credit that it then became a detriment and a galvanizing force for those Bulls teams to be like, fuck you, dude. And you saw it when MJ shit talking about the ring night. You saw it. Scottie Pippen being like, fuck this. I can't handle anymore.

Like he, he was, he was a figure that like, and they didn't really get, they kind of touched on it, but like he was openly flirting with Tim Floyd, like openly, openly flirting with Tim Floyd. They, they kind of mentioned that, you know, it's like, oh yeah, Jerry kind of tried to trade Scottie Pippen. He tried to trade Scottie Pippen 11 days after Scottie Pippen had the game winning steel against the jazz to win the fifth title, 11 days, and he had already tried to trade him a few times before that.

So yes, Jerry Krauss is going to be the villain of this. And part of me, like in a weird way, feels a little bad because he's the only one who's passed away and can't speak up for himself. He's not here, but even still, he does deserve some, a lot of this criticism because it really was Phil Jackson, Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen versus Jerry Krauss. And I jokingly said it before the first episode, but Jerry Reinsdor firing Garpax before this came out was genius because he took Jerry Krauss aside and he went against, like, could you imagine in today's NBA, the best player in the world?

So LeBron James right now being like, oh, I want to, I want to, I want my coach to stay in the front office being like, no, uh, like it's, it's insane organization. Yeah, it is. It is. I think people have started to realize that maybe having a transcendental player is a little more beneficial to your team than having like a decent coach that your owner gets along with. And just watching Jerry, the, the powerful, powerful energy of Maury for Maury's wigs

that he gives off is just incredible. And you keep wondering when Scottie Pippen is going to put that ice pick through the back of his neck because he's, Scottie was so mad on the whole time. But I don't blame Scottie Pippen. He was a hundred and twenty second highest player in the NBA in what, 1997, 1998, that's insane. Sixth highest player on the bulls. And it was also, that's also a classic Reinsdorf thing to be like, well, I told him at the

time to not sign that contract and Scottie's story is a great one because it's like, you know, he came from a large family. He wanted to help his family and to not renegotiate. Like that's, that's kind of what, you know, the MO of the front office. I also love the peak of John Paxson saying, like, oh yeah, Jerry Kraus tried to storm into the locker room after we won and they played MJ more minutes than he should have because, because of his hurt foot. And he was like, yeah, it was a bad scene.

And I wanted to be like, are you, did you just, did you say like the, the front office and the, and the team having big time rift was a bad scene, like foreshadowing much or have a little self-awareness here of like what's going on? Well, I think that's why he kind of swallowed that line. You kind of, he could have expanded on that a little bit, but he knew in the back of his own brain, he's like, you're getting into very dangerous territory. Yeah. I mean, he just let that one breathe.

He also knew that he choked Vinny Delnegrove. So like that actually happened as well when Vinny was the coach. It was, it was actually fascinating seeing how it went all the way back to that Celtic series where, where Jordan kind of willed the team's way. By the way, they went like 30 and 50 or something like that and got the eight seed, willed their way into the playoffs to play the Celtics. You get to see a little glimpse of the game changing because I think a lot of times we talk about, oh, this player changed the game and you don't really know what that looks

like, but you can see what it looks like when you see Rick Carlisle playing out there and then Michael Jordan playing and you're like, okay, this was a person who took a game that was at this level before. And then yeah, the Celtics. That was like one of the best, but yes, they're really good, but you could see like that's, that's when the game changed into like a much, much more athletic version. Well, I'd actually, I'd actually disagree. I'd say that's not when the game, the game changed just because Michael Jordan was that

much better than everyone. Cause there was no one else like him. Like no one else came along after like right after him or during his era who was like that. And it, I mean, that's magic Johnson, you have a magic was already there. But the, the quote, the, the Larry Bird quote that was God disguised as Michael Jordan is like an all time quote. And that was the, that like little montage to have magic and Larry Bird while still like playing him basically being like, yeah, he's the best, he's the best player in the world.

Like that's crazy. We also, we also got a couple of great quotes out of this. We got Scottie Pippin saying, I'm not going to fuck my summer up. That's great. That, that quote is going to live off. He was the pre-shack, uh, when Shaq did it, when he said, I, I, uh, got hurt on company time. I'm going to heal on company time, which is a baller move that he did with the Lakers

where he's like, I'm just going to get in shape and, and fix all my body ailments when the season starts. I mean, Scotty had every right to do that. Yeah. This is the summer of Scotty. He was like, I'm going to go to Cabo. I'm going to take my shirt off and I'm going to meet some ladies and, uh, there's no chance that I'm just going to spend that time rehabbing.

And then, uh, there was also a great quote later on when, uh, was it, well, common, common story was ridiculous. I think he was lying about that, by the way. Did you see common story where he didn't even make the documentary. He got commercial. Like that sucks. How much do you think that autograph would go for the autograph of common signing Michael Jordan's name?

Yeah, it's a good question. It's a good question. A lot, a lot of money, probably, probably a lot these days, the, um, the traveling cocaine circus was good. Yeah. Michael Jordan basically being a narc and being like, no, thank you. Like gambling. Yes.

Drinking. Yes. Cocaine. Absolutely. Fucking not. Well, no, I didn't drink. You didn't even drink back then either. Yeah, it's true.

But he does drink now. Michael Jordan's mom looking 30 years younger than Michael Jordan's like, okay, that was like that. That's crazy. And that's probably maybe a little plastic surgery, but it was like, holy shit. Like she's, she's, she's 40. This might just be the quarantine talking, but Michael Jordan's mom got on TV. I was like, fellas, the, the, uh, I need what I need.

Like it was, it was a great first two episodes. I fucking need more practice footage of MJ just ripping into everyone and poor Ron Harp just like this fucking butt of every single criticism that MJ has to throw out there. But like that's, that's, you know, the whole documentary starts and he's like, I wanted it more. And like the story, the other one was Roy Williams. Like Roy Williams could talk. It could just be 10 hours of Roy Williams talking when he says fricking and, and it's

like more powerful than any swear word ever. But uh, him saying that like, you know, when the story of MJ basically being a lightly recruited guy comes to the camp five days later, like, yeah, he's the best player in the country. He's like, holy shit. Yeah. And being like this dag gum youngster, that, that gets me going just when Roy Williams says that about you, you know, he also had the Roy Williams also had the quote, Michael Jordan

is the only player that could turn it on and off and he never fricking turned it off. So I think that means he didn't have an on and off switch because he never turned it off. Either he knew that there was an off switch, but it was just never, never. He just acknowledged that it was there. Yeah. It was, it's like the meme of the guy sweating with the two buttons in front of him. One button says, uh, turn it on and the other button says, don't turn it off.

Mm hmm. And it was, uh, yeah, I mean the whole, the whole first two episodes, I think, I think the third episode might be Rodman, but this was like Scotty Pippin. I mean, that's the other thing like people, and you know what was cool is also seeing people, cause like, you know, we're, we're both 35. So we're, we remember it, but not like the first, you know, the 80s stuff, obviously we don't remember at all. But like our, our guy, RJ Hampton, who plays for the breakers, who was born probably in,

in, I don't know, 2002, uh, when he, he like tweeted, he's like, Oh my God. And they were all twos talking about a 63 point performance against Celtics, like seeing that it's like, okay, this, this is actually going to have the effect that, that they knew it was like people who never saw Michael Jordan play are going to be like, holy shit. This is insane. That was actually, that was actually a crazy stat line too. So that stat line was 63 and then five and six, which is wild because now there's so many triple doubles and they didn't have as many back then.

And then the game before that, I think he had what like 55 and then four rebounds. Yeah. He had 49. I think the game before that. And the, and the other thing is like the rest of the team had basically nothing. I think Charles Oakley had like, uh, like 13 or 14 rebounds and it was like, there was no one else who was doing anything on that team. Um, like, uh, like, I think, I think it was like Charles Oakley had like a few

rebounds or 14, 13 rebounds and Orlando Woodridge had, uh, Woolridge had like 20 points or something, but everything else was MJ was like, everyone else had two points. The best way I can describe MJ is he was so good that if you rooted for him, let's say outside, if you're outside of New York city, Boston, RLA, growing up anywhere in the United States back in like the mid nineties, and you just decided to become a Bulls fan because of MJ, nobody would make fun of you or call you a front runner. They would be like, yeah, that makes sense that you're going to root for Jordan. That, that, uh, the Paris clips were incredible.

Like seeing people in Paris, just going fucking bananas for, you know, uh, basically a scrimmage and MJ going everywhere and wearing a beret. Also, Phil Jackson had the coolest, like Indiana Jones had ever. He was fucking cool. Also that love that sound guy, just going, going all out for that autograph. Yes. Yes. And the arm band after the game, he basically ripped it off MJ's arm.

Oh, that was the same guy. No, there was a player. He was like, can I keep it? And then Jordan made him take the arm band off his own arm and then they go into the locker room, they got the trophy. He's like, I don't care what you do with that shit. Just don't give it to Jerry. The other, the other things I wrote down.

Yeah. You know, it's celebrated an easy win. They were so mean, so mean to Jerry Krause at any turn, because he always just it's like he, Jerry Krause was that guy who's just like always kind of budding into conversations that felt like, you know what I mean? He's always just kind of wandering around. And yeah, like you said, Maury from, from Goodfellas, he's fucking Maury. And he's a combination of Maury and the guy in that infomercial that's carrying

all those buckets out to his car and spills all of them over the hood of his car. But like that's, that's Jerry Krause and who knows, he might have been a sweetheart behind the scenes when he's, maybe he was a good family man. I don't know. All I'm going off of is what I'm being shown in this documentary. And I, I can't get enough of how much I, well, and, and, and classic Reinsdorf fashion, which ended up being a good move, but him being like, yeah, Jerry Krause was a, a white socks scout for me.

And then he's like, Hey, I want to be the bull's jam. And he's like, okay. What? And he was like, I asked everyone, I asked everyone around there, like, don't do business with him. And he's like, well, he's my guy. So I want one of them. Um, the, the only other things they wrote down were, uh, obviously the people

were freaking out about how they had, uh, President Obama and President Clinton on, and they both put, like they put former Chicago resident for Obama and former Arkansas governor for Clinton, stick to sports to the max. I loved it. I loved it. They got both bull's fair. Barack Obama. It was so good.

That's how you know him. Yes. You don't know him for anything else. Um, how about, how about Patrick Ewing? They, so they interviewed him about that Georgetown UNC championship game and he's wearing the Georgetown shirt. I hope that they keep going back to Patrick Ewing and, and interviewing about different times that Jordan broke his heart.

And each time he's wearing the polo shirt of the, like a different team, like he'll be, he'll wear the Nick shirt when it talks about, uh, Jordan just dominating the playoffs and back to a Georgetown shirt when it goes back to then. Um, I don't know if this is going to get to later on in Jordan's career when he becomes a wizard and then after that, when he owns the Charlotte Bobcats. I really hope that it does because that'll tie a nice little bow on the end. I think that, so in the middle of it, he said, the best way to get Michael Jordan to do something is to tell him that he can't do it.

I think enough people finally told him, like, there's no chance that you can own the Charlotte Hornets and succeed as their owner. And he was like, we'll see about that. So he's still working on that one at the very end. But, um, the one thing from that first Patrick Ewing MJ game in the, uh, 82 finals, I wish they had shown the pass at the end because I don't know what the points I got. I think you look like I tried to look up a point spread, um, from 1982,

someone, if someone has it, send it to me. But that was an all time, like we would have lost our minds because if they didn't show the whole highlight, but MJ hits the shot and then Fred Brown goes down and gets confused and it basically just passes it directly to a North Carolina player thinking that he's on his team. Like the almost like when you're playing pick up basketball and some and like the other team, the guys like, Oh, pass it here just to fuck with you. That's what it looked like in the fucking national championship game.

And I wish we had like, I wish they had shown that because that was an all time, if that had anything to do with the spread or anything, it would have. I just think about that. Like I would have melted down forever. Yeah, it looks like you were playing like with your buddies and you didn't have jerseys or pennies on anything like that. And you're like, Oh shit, I thought that you were on my, the guy was like, right, the guy was being slow, getting right, right.

He's like here, passing me. Yeah, I also wish that they could just superimpose a three point line onto the court and all that old footage just so that it looks kind of, or it looks weird, man. It looks like it looks naked out there without a three point. Yeah. And then the, um, I guess the only other thing I had was the, uh, that was a great story.

The, uh, MJ, when he's playing golf with Danny, age, the gate, the day before the game, which is hilarious in its own right. Um, and, and he says to him, like, Hey, tell, tell, tell your boy DJ, I got something for him tomorrow. Just like the, the nonstop shit talking that MJ does is just like, that's why he always kind of had the mental edge on everything. Like he just never stopped. Like whether you're playing golf on an off day, most people can relax.

He just, he's just not, he's like a psychopath, but in a good way, because it gets him everything he wanted and he wins at all costs. Like people say when it all costs, they don't really mean it. Michael Jordan meant it. Right. I think that, that a problem is, uh, a lot of players after MJ decided to adopt the MJ attitude, but they don't really, they don't have the internal makeup that MJ does.

They're not as good. And so you end up just having a lot of assholes out there who can't back it up. And that's a problem. But like if you're, you're allowed to be as big a dickhead as you want, if you can back it up like MJ always did. I think Kobe gets interviewed for this. And that's the, you know, that's one of the biggest compliments you can say about Kobe's career, you know, outside of obviously all the, the trophies he wanted

everything, but he was the closest thing to MJ after MJ in terms of that competitive mean streak, win it all costs. Like I will do anything it takes to do it. So it was an awesome, awesome first, I wish we had it every night. Like I wish they had just, they just give it to us every night because I just want it right now. Like I, it was, it was great to get it. And then be like, fuck, we have to wait a whole week for more of this.

And then week two is just going to be one hour, right? They're going to play the second hour or whatever from, from this one. They're doing two hours again. It's two hours every single week. Thank God. Five weeks, not 20 hours like Adam Schefter reported. It's 10 hours long and it's two hours every single Sunday. Okay.

All right. Thank God. So we got two hours next week to look forward. You have five Sundays. You know what the, the only thing that kind of bums me out though is that this whole thing was supposed to be released every other night of the NBA finals. And that would have been like sports nirvana to watch the finals. If LeBron's in the finals and trying to like watch history and also watching

history every other night, did LeBron tweet anything Hank? He did. He did not. I set up alerts on my phone to see if LeBron was going to tweet. He is conspicuous. He's smashing the hard button on perfect. I would, I would put a million dollars on him with like a lengthy Instagram post tomorrow that, that brings it all back to himself.

Cause you know LeBron wasn't, I don't think LeBron was interviewed in this. Yeah. Why would he have been? Well, I mean, like there was some of the, some of the guys like, you know, obviously some of the guys who came after MJ were interviewed in it. But yeah, he was going to be, it's going to be LeBron wearing number 23 in high school and he'll caption it like to the, the goat, Michael Jordan. This is why I decided to strive for greatness wearing your number 23.

And then it'll be a slide thing where you can look at three other pictures of LeBron wearing 23 and talking to people, right? Oh, also Bob Costas, young Bob Costas is so fucking funny. It's great to be in all these guys, all these old guys back in the day when they were like just trailing around people who were much taller than them with their little stings. Just the media, like them just doing, like conducting business in the media, like straight up just being like Michael Jordan is being like, yeah,

like if you're doing this from business, like that's fucked up. Yeah. The, the Bob Costas, like, you know, the Bob Costas puts on like three hours of makeup every morning to, to try to look like 1984 Bob Costas. He's always chasing that. The other great quote from MJ was when he found out that there was like a 10 percent chance of him re-breaking his foot and the doctor said, well, if I gave you 10 pills and one of them would kill you, would you take one of the pills?

And his answer was, well, it depends how fucking bad the headache is. That's the competitors. Amazing. Yeah. I mean, it's the, for the love of the game, you know, clause in his contract. That's also, that's where the Jerry Krauss, like you can point to every spot. They kind of did it. You know, the Phil Jackson, Jerry Krauss beef, Jerry Krauss basically being

like 82 and oh, and you're still not coming back, pipping in his contract. And MJ and Krauss, their beef started there. Like their beef started with Krauss putting, you know, restrictions on his minutes and, and, and basically saying, don't be as competitive as you are. And like, don't go out and play basketball in North Carolina and play five on five when you're rehabbing. That's where it all, that was like the kernel that, you know, ended up fully blooming into this final season where everyone hated each other.

Well, everyone hated Jerry Krauss. But Jerry Krauss, yeah, he started trust the process, but he was just like, he didn't realize that he had a completed process in front of the entire time. Okay, let's get to who's back of the week. Hank, why don't you start your who's back of the week? Sure. My who's back of the week is us, the internet, and, you know, us as a collective trying to figure out a way to boo Roger Goddell on Thursday.

It's something we've talked about, but I think that, you know, it's Monday. The week is starting. You're trying to look ahead and it's like, we got to really figure it out and hone down on something like solid that we can do. Okay, let's have a team meeting right now. How about that? Let's brainstorm, get some synergy hold on, hold on, hold on. Let me check my schedule.

All right. Yep, I'm in. Let me hang on. Wait, it's 322. Let me send you guys a calendar invite for 323. Let me know when you get it. Do you know what's been the worst, by the way? Hank, maybe Hank, click yes instead of maybe as a side tangent, trying to get off

the phone with friends and family at this point. Like, yeah, how do you do it? Because you don't have anywhere to go. That's it. Leroy's barking right now. He's got to go outside. He's going to shit everywhere. If I don't get off this zoom call, it's, it's just becoming impossible.

Like someone needs to create something, some kind of emergency alert that comes to your phone while you're on the phone with your friends and family to get you out because like I've gotten stuck in hour long conversations. Like, what are we doing here? Well, here's how you do it here. You just never, ever use your professional account on zoom to talk with friends and family. You always use the 10 minute trial that way.

Oh, wait, we're running out of time. Got to go. Good seeing you. Yeah, that's a good call. $10 to talk to you for five more minutes. Goodell. Okay. What's our thoughts?

We have, we've actually talked about this. Do we want to reveal what we've talked about? We've got a couple. We talked about like doing some of the Photoshop. Like some of the videos would be funny, just like adding, adding Boo audio to other videos, but I'm trying to think of a way where we can really like, I personally just want to be booing him. Okay.

So there are three, three schools of thought that I have in mind. Number one, you know, how people like cheer out of their windows at seven o'clock every night and bang pots and pans at eight 30 or whenever Roger Goodell gets on the stage, we all just go to our windows and we all just record ourselves booing out the windows. That's number one. Number two is yeah, go ahead and in real time, real time, uh, objection. That footage won't get out till, till later.

It would come after the fact. How can we do it in real time? Okay. PFT, you want to go with two, because the, the idea that you had PFT that I added onto, I think is the solution. The zoo, your zoom one, but then the zoom steps, that's, that's number three. I think the strongest one idea. Number two is one that Hank and I had discussed a little bit, which is, uh, you

know, the videos that are going viral of, um, like, uh, apartment complexes in Brooklyn, all singing along to Biggie Smalls to Juicy. Have you guys seen that? It's like a big video where they just added in the track to Juicy and put like a big echo on it, made it sound like thousands of people were singing. It sounded awesome. It fooled all the internet out there. Uh, so what we could very easily do is just take footage out the windows of

different apartment complexes and add fake booze on and be like, Oh wow. Bedstine Brooklyn right now is really letting Roger get all happy. And so we'd have that ready to go. Okay. So the, while that's a good idea, I feel like Bleach reports going to do that idea. So let's do three and let's talk about three out loud and how we organize three. Cause that's the problem.

Three is, is your, you had the idea of PFT that we basically create a zoom where we invite a bunch of people and have them boo. The problem is you can only invite a hundred people to a zoom. So I was saying we should zoom, section it and basically everyone. So we should, we should pick a hundred people that we will personally invite to our zoom and those hundred people have to start their own zooms where they have a hundred people and then they videotape their zoom of a hundred people booing into our zoom.

That's a million people. That's a million people. Now I'm confused because they're videotaping their own. I think big cats a little confused about, no, no, no, I know exactly what I'm doing. Yes. I think it makes sense. So it makes perfect sense. It would be a hundred boxes of a hundred, yes, of a hundred boxes.

So someone calls it. So we give every single person that we invite, give an invite to our zoom. We say, you have to start a zoom and, and have a hundred people in it. And then you take your phone and you come into our zoom and you have your phone on your computer. So our zoom is a hundred boxes of a hundred and each box is a hundred people. I get it. And everyone's booing.

Here's, here's where I'm running into some trouble. It's all your mind is we're going to have to invite a hundred people, right? But there's going to have to be a hundred people that we trust can also get a hundred people into their own zoom. Well, it might not be a hundred. It might be like 20. I don't know. They just have to start a zoom and be like, get all your friends in it so that

we can then multiply the hundred. And if those people want to, if we want to keep going down, I think we could actually get to the center of the internet eventually. Like if we just keep doing zoom, if the of the hundred people in the hundred people get another hundred people and then they get a hundred people, like we will. We will be at Bill Gates doorstep by the end. This is great. And what we should do is before this goes out,

I'm going to buy a long position in zoom. I'm going to buy some stock in zoom knowing that we're about to. Is that insider trading? I don't think it is because we don't work for zoom. And we said it out loud and we say out loud. So it's not inside and everyone else is going to have access to this information to just 12 hours later than us. So how are we going to do this?

This is sounds like a job for guess who can do this? Guess who can put this together? Jake. No, no, Jake is too important to be doing something like this. A one William football has to be in charge of this and it will be his. It will be up to him to be to have this be successful. And there's no way he's going to make this successful. Does it really respect authority?

And we have an email set up. It's not really Billy's, but we can use it for this. This cause PMT intern at barcel sports dot com. I guess that'll be the recruiting center. If you like you got to come forward and present evidence of how many people you can get on list all your friends. So be like, yeah. Actually would be great.

Is Kevin, if you're on like a college sports team, all his brothers, that listserv right there. Yeah. Yeah. Now that would actually be given preference right now. So if you're in a position where you have an email list that you can get people to sign up for, we'll think about recruiting you. Oh, I think my problem with Billy though is he respects authority a little

bit too much. He's a New York kid. He's probably born and raised 10 miles from Roger Godel. I feel like his family and Godel's family might run the same circles. His dad might be disappointed if Billy is out there like organizing mass protest. Yeah. But we, but it's just, we need to put him to work because if we're going to

start paying him, we have to put him to work. And this is the only way to do it. So otherwise he's going to keep adopting random stray animals. Somebody put a gift of Billy's face onto that lady when Trump got elected to just screamed up into the air. No, he's based on that because he's the leader of our protest. But you know, he's going to be like, when we tell him this, he's going to be like, all right, got it guys.

And then he'll just ask him billion questions right before we're supposed to go live and none of it will work. But we'll set him up with Jake. We, he, now, Jake has like upgraded. Jake can, can help him out. Jake will be the foreman of this prod. He'll project manage Billy and we will be the owners of the company. All right.

Here's the other thing though. Here's a very important thing that we forgot. When you send your intern, or when you send your application to Hank, where is it? The empty intern at barstelsports.com. You must state which NFL team you root for, because we need representatives from all 32 teams to be booing. Football, so that's very important, very important. And we should also do one just for the jets because the jets are the kings

of draft night booing. We should have a separate zoom for when the jets make their pick. Well, that one, no, it's just like a thousand different jets fans booing. We can, we can do idea two for the jets. Yeah, that would be good. Yes, yes. Perfect. Perfect.

All right. I think we've got it set. So send your emails if you want to be part of the greatest boot, the greatest boo zoom of all time. It's I think I mean, are we the Guinness book? Well, yeah, it's the infinity boom. There's a fitting fit. No, I like a infinity.

Boom. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I like boom or the infinity zoo. Yeah. And who knows what it is? A little, little disambiguation for the people.

RIP Harambe. Yeah. All right. Hank, is that it? Yeah. OK, PFT. OK, that was a good one, Hank. My who's back this week is leaked Wonderlick scores.

So on Friday, a bunch of Wonderlick scores came out and not only were they leaked Wonderlick scores, which is probably the most fucked up part of draft season. I don't know why people still report on these, but they were also incorrect leaked Wonderlick scores, which tells me it's smoke screen season for someone out there. Like someone wants the rest of the NFL to believe that Tua is dumb because they gave Tua a 13 in the first Wonderlick score. It's not true at all. That's not what he got.

You know, getting, I think, like an 18 or a 19, which is not great, but it's not bad. And so there's somebody out there that's actively undermining Tua. Not sure who he could be Nick Saban, but for whatever reason, I don't know, maybe maybe the dolphins are scared that the Redskins are going to take him number two overall or something like that. And so they're they're putting these these fake scores out there. But it's funny because it goes back to like NFL GMs are are very fickle people. They don't want someone who's really dumb, but they also don't want someone

who's smart enough to realize how dumb their coaches can be. So there's like this Goldilocks zone of how smart you want your quarterback. And I think it's anywhere between like a 15 and a 35 in terms of your Wonderlick score. Can I ask you a question for the Redskins? Because you keep alluding to it. You keep throwing out like, do I want to or do I not? It doesn't seem like the Redskins even are considering it. Are you will you be are you considering it at all?

Well, I am off and on. It's but again, like I don't know what the Redskins actually are. I don't know what I don't know what they think because like this is a new regime. So I don't know what their moves are, like how closely to the best they play things. But now I'm back on Chase Young, because I saw a report on Friday that he is actually like LeBron, like his parents didn't stop growing until they were like 28 years old. And so he's like six five right now.

There's a good chance that he could end up being like six foot eight, six nine. Every time they talk about him, he will get he will get an inch or two taller and like five pounds heavier every time an announcer mentions it. So like, I don't know. Khaleesi Campbell is a pretty good pass. Retro and he's like six foot nine. Six nine is like when when you had had like Madden in 96 for N64. And you could basically you could make everyone like seven feet tall

and 450 pounds and 99 ratings. Yeah, like just freaks of nature. I know six nine would be I feel like there's definitely a point of when you're a little too tall for being an edge rusher that probably probably starts hurting me. I mean, too tall, Jones, wasn't he pretty good? Yeah, he was he was pretty tall. Hall of Famer. How tall was he?

Might say Khaleesi Campbell is six eight. Yeah, six eight. So like he's probably six seven. You'd be six because he always do that. He's a good pass rusher. I don't know. So I keep going back and forth to it just looks awesome. Throwing that football left handed without the stripes or look way cooler than he did in college.

So I go back and I'd be happy with either one. But for me, it's mostly like if you get a quarterback, that's just fun. That's just something that you can look forward to all season long. It's like, oh, we got a brand new toy. And then by year two or three, once it actually starts to shake out, it can get a lot worse or start a lot better. But I'd be happy with either one. Right now, I'm officially back on chase.

OK, my who's back is me because I'm going back on a diet. Boys, it's officially diet season. We're back and not only that, because I also what do you what you shaking your fucking head at the quarantine? I've gained like 20 pounds. OK, so it's time to get back. It's time to get back. And also, I don't know if I notice you're going to plateau and not gain any more weight.

That would be great. Just put your yeah, put your finger in the in the dyke. Yeah, that's not. No, that's a what that's a wall. That's a wall. That's a wall. Is that not a wall? It is. No, it's a dam is what it means. It means well, but it's a dam. And that's the that's the word for it.

Is it not? So what it is, OK, what I think we should do because I'm sick of like all these weight loss challenges and gain challenges. I suggested this to a good friend, Coley, last week. Why don't we do a weigh in and just have a weigh exactly the same challenge like down to the exact ounce and see if we can maintain our body weight through the rest of this quarantine, not gain or lose a single pound? I think that's almost harder. I would like to I would like to do that,

but I would like to first take off a few pounds because I don't know if you saw. Well, no, Vest has been working. I've been using the vest, but I've been eating like a fucking asshole. So I'm going to your problem is that you don't wear it. I've cultivated too much muscle. Yeah, probably gaining too much muscle. And also, I don't know if you saw, but I took the offensive coordinator job at USC, so I'm going to be when you're in LA, it's different.

Like you can't be fat. You can't be a fat piece of shit in LA. So I need to I need to lose weight. I'm going to do it. I was married. Yeah, he's but he never brings his family with him. He just leaves him every stop. They're still in Toledo. I mean, that's smart.

He probably just sleeps in the office. Anyways, at the Applebee's, the the but I'm going to I need everyone to shame me. So they think I look fat. Just be like, yo, dude, you look. I think you look better right now, which is not different than anything anyone ever does. Anyway, when you look really like any weight, you can't. There's nothing you can do more than what you're already doing.

Yeah, not eat. When you look really skinny, you look like that's not going to happen. Like you're in your house on the pen and teller. And it's not a natural look. I'm going to not eat. I'm going to not eat. I'm not going to eat. I'm not going to eat bitches.

OK, you see this face, see his mouth. Just go all just give PFT the key. I just gave PFT the key. I'm going to start eating more. I'm going to put on some. We should at some point when things get back to normal, we should try to do a challenge where a big cat and I meet at the same weight in the middle. I'm down for it.

That would be legit. Hank, too. Yeah, Hank. We mean, yeah, we all if we just become the two. Yeah, the 200 club. Now I've tried to get to 200. I don't know if I can make it up there. Dude, if I can get down to 200, you can get up to.

Yeah, I can get up. I lose like 40 pounds. I'd be so much better at the Peloton if I had 200 pounds of weight to push down those things. I would be like a I'd be like Christian Bale and the machinist. I'd just be walking around. You guys would be carrying me around from podcast to podcast. But it'd be worth it for the last Bale and Veep. And I just chug melted ice cream to get up to Dick Cheney weight.

Yeah, perfect. All right, so let's do our interview with Daniel Jeremiah. Draft expert. We'd ask him all the draft questions. Pretty much a draft prep for everyone out there who might not be fully prepped. Before we do that, PFT, you got an ad. Oh, what do you got? I had one more who's back.

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I'm excited about going there once it opens back up. I'm just going to be the first one. I'm going to camp out like I'm waiting for concert tickets. HFS will take its back in 1999. I'm going to camp out outside the Marshall's just so I can get a pair of like Balenciaga's for less than a thousand bucks. It's going to be sweet. Nice. Nice. All right.

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He's got mock drafts. I think you're on 3.0 right now. Thank you for joining us. And let's get right into it. I want to know the thing that I think everyone's buzzing about. What has happened in the draft circles that has now had Justin Herbert jump to a in all the mock drafts? Is this smoke or is this actually something that you think is going to happen?

Or is it agent talk? Well, I don't know. It's hard to tell between what's smoke, what's real. But I just know when talking to folks around the league that are dialed in with the dolphins, they say they love bro as the top guy. And then after bro, there's a split. So I did the one where I switched it up was a couple of weeks ago. And I said, OK, if it's split in the room with Herbert and Tua,

Herbert's healthy, so maybe that would give the tie to him. I don't think it's close. I have to as a much better player than Herbert. But when you start hearing those things that it's kind of up in the air, I'm like, OK, well, maybe the health thing. And then all of a sudden, like it's coming from everywhere now. And it's like, it's, you know, that's what makes me nervous. I'm like, well, maybe this is all it's too much.

Like it's too much information about the Herbert stuff. So when you do your mock draft, let me back up real quick, because I think that people sometimes get confused when we get into the mock draft season. You're a lot of times predicting or no, you are predicting what you think is going to happen, not what you would do if you were drafting for these teams. 100 percent. I always explain it like I do my top 50 list,

how I rank the players with my eyes. I do the mock draft with my ears. So that's why I'm like cracking up. Like people get all upset about mock drafts and they're like, dude, you don't know. I'm like, dude, I heard this. It's from somebody in the league. Like you're not going to hurt my feelings if you don't like my mock draft. I mean, it's just what people are telling me around the league.

I wouldn't necessarily do that, but that's what I think is going to happen. OK, so as far as the top of the board, I'm looking, I'm reading your mock draft right now. You have Joe Burrow going number one. You've got Chase Young going second. Is there any chance at all that the Redskins opt to go with Tua at number two? Or are they dead set on Chase Young? I don't think so.

I think the more likely thing would be they take Chase Young would be number one. Number two would be they get, which I wouldn't advise either. Like if you get a chance to get a Premier Eddrescher, just take him. Don't don't trade out of that pick. Have a dominant defensive line. You saw what the Niners did last year. Like that's the blueprint if you're the Redskins, just follow it.

Don't screw it up. But I mean, I think there's a good chance Kyle Allen ends up beating out Haskins, but I don't think they're going to take two. I think if he was totally healthy, no concerns, I would be standing on the soapbox and just take him like he's much better than Dwayne Haskins. He's much better than Kyle Allen. Just take Tua.

But I think the injury kind of muddies that up a little bit. And when you've got a sure thing like Chase Young just sitting there, just take him. But I do want to tell you guys, speaking of Borough, real quick, I went and visited with him up in up at J. Sarah High School in Orange County to watch him work out and throw. And you'll be happy to know that he was he was rocking your gear during the workout. So he's representing which shirt was he wearing?

Was he wearing the Coach Owen or was he wearing Joe exotic? It was a it was a long sleeve. I think it was just the part might take nice gray, like a long gray sleeve tee. So that's that's good to know that none of the, you know, scouts around the league have knocked him down at all for doing the post game national championship interview with us drunk when we all were drunk. So that's good to know America was drunk. Yeah, America was drunk.

So yeah, it's international waters. I want to jump back real quick to what you just said about doing the top 50 with your eyes and doing the mock draft with your ears. What was the time and I'm sure you can think of like the one time where your ears were deceived, where someone, you know, the hype, the things you were hearing were all smoke and you looked not stupid because everyone's doing mock drafts. It's hard to predict, but the one time where it was totally different

and it was almost like everyone kind of bamboozled the entire industry of mock draft experts. Yeah, sure. I can tell you a couple like there's a bunch of them that's jump out to me. They're usually quarterback related. But I knew I had buddies on the the staff with the Chicago Bears. And you don't never mind. No, no, no, go on, go on this question.

Turn the microphone off. Go ahead, go ahead. I regret this question. So I had talked to him on the staff and I'm like, hey, there's another person in the league that told me like the Bears are going to take Trubisky. And I'm like, I'm telling you like just tell me like if you don't know, just tell me you don't know.

But like just just let me know one way or the other here. And he's like, dude, I'm telling you, go to the bank. We are not taking Mitchell Trubisky. That's not we're not taking him like it's not happening. Zero chance. And then they take him. I like I'm on the draft coverage live like they're in a commercial like Texas. I'm like, dude, the world.

He's like, no idea. Like we literally had no idea. There were so few people that knew that was going down. So your source was John Fox, because John Fox didn't even know when he was the head coach at the time. I think, yeah, I think a lot of that stuff came out after the fact. That was crazy. Like nobody knew.

And then Caldwell, the year when they took portals, he's their GM is a buddy of mine. So I'm talking with Dave and I'm like, hey, let me let me go through the players you might pick. I've done it with him every year. And so I'll get like eight players. So tell me if you take this guy when I want to be back and explain why you took him. So over eight guys, I don't know who you're going to take, but I whoever you pick,

I can, you know, explain it. So I get through a bunch to the list and nobody had them taking portals. We're just going to go like in the 20s. That's kind of what we all expected. And then I get to ask about portals after I've asked about eight guys. And he's like, Hey, oh, I got another call, dude. I got to go and he hung up on me. He would, and I didn't think anything of it.

Like I'm so dumb. Like he didn't want to talk about the kid. And then of course they take him with the third pick. So I called him the next day. I'm like, you didn't have anybody on the line. Did he was like, nah, I just, I didn't want to. I didn't trust my poker voice. So he bailed.

Okay. So between Mitch and Bortles, this was the worst question in part of my take history, because that sucks. Both of those things sucks. Those are our, Bortles is our guy. That's funny. I can give you one more though. I give you one more.

This would be a happy ending. Oh, Shane McClellan. Yeah. Shane McClellan. Tell me about that. Shane McClellan was underrated at Boise. Okay. This wasn't used for now, but I'm not going to mention that Lamar Jackson.

So I'll call my buddy who's a director player personnel at the Raven. So I worked with back in the day. And he's got his son with him. He's going to little league practice. So he's calling me. It's like the week of the draft. I'm like, what's going on? You're doing well.

Yeah, I'm doing well. What's going on? We're sticking my son to practice. So I start asking him about players and he's big and everything. So I ask his son in the back seat. I go, Hey, what's going on? He's like, Oh, hi, Mr. Jeremiah.

How's it going? I go, who's your favorite player in the draft? He goes, Lamar Jackson. And I'm like, Frick, I should have known, man. He already let his son know that like this is going to be a Raven. I should have seen the signs. And I didn't pick up on it. Yeah, you should just start interviewing general managers kids and

they won't be able to keep their mouth shut. Yeah. That's what we're going to do. That's the plan. Uh, I want to get to one of my favorite parts of draft season. It's also anonymous scout season. So I love the anonymous scouts. I love all these reports.

I love it when, uh, what's his name? Nolan Naraki would lead off the profiles by saying whether or not a player's parents were divorced or still married. Uh, I love all these rumors and Scuttlebutt. Uh, the, the leak that came out today was from an anonymous scout. And he says that he has concerns about Mecky Bekton because, uh, he loves to cook and eat more than he loves frigging football. First of all, is that an issue for an offensive lineman to love to cook and eat?

Well, I think we need to get more information on what he's cooking and what he's eating. I mean, I think that that goes without saying, I mean, he's, uh, I don't know. I think it's so stupid, but he's, he's a great player. He was heavy when he was early, early on in his career at Louisville. He lost a bunch of weight. He's been training like crazy down in Dallas. Um, I, I think it's silly.

I, you've got to put in your report that the things that people tell you, but even if I was told that at a school that he loves to cook, I, I don't know that in eight years of scouting, I ever wrote into somebody's background that they love to cook. Okay. Uh, no relevance for me. Good to know. Now my theory on this one is actually that it came from the Raiders and then it

came from Mike Meck. This seems like a Mike Meck thing to leak to somebody because they want to be able to draft him. And so he's, that's in Mike Meck's mind. That's him like slandering the player and having him drop a little bit. I don't think it's going to work. I just want to say that for the record. I don't think that he's going to be on the board with the Raiders.

I just know if, uh, if you could see all the reports from all the players in this draft that like loves to cook would be rather low on the list of things that might concern you. Uh, you know, I would love to say the worst thing about myself is that I love to cook. Yeah. Um, that's, you know, I'd be okay with that. Um, all right.

This might be a difficult question to answer, but I want you to scout the scouts and you were a scout when you were a scout and after that. So now you're obviously on the other side. What, like, do you think that NFL scouting, they do a good job? What is their weakness? Cause we all play armchair, you know, Monday morning quarterback where we look back and we say, how could you do that? Do you think that in general these guys are doing a good job or are there

weaknesses that you see glaring year in and year out where they're, they're just not doing X, Y or Z. Well, I would say they have less influence in the draft process than people realize and that's really changed a lot. So they're not as involved. And one of the reasons why there are anonymous scouts that go and talk to reporters is because a lot of them are frustrated because nobody's listening to them in their building.

So I've done all this work, I've traveled, I've been away from home. I want to tell somebody about these guys. So they go to the media and talk to them. So, you know, it's a hard job to figure these guys out, no question. But I think some people kind of think it's the scouts. And a lot of times this, this decision is getting made by the head coach, the general manager, and maybe the director or player personnel. And the scouts, we, we call a lot of them are information gatherers.

Just go out there. You're like glorified private detectives. Um, go out there and get as much information on these players as you can and let us sort out whether or not they can play or not. It didn't be like that. And like what, when I started in 2003, like we, you know, scouting was, you were in the draft room on draft day. You were a big part of the process of breaking the players.

And it's not like that very much anymore. Did you have to do any assignments? Like I remember when, uh, when Justin Blackman was coming out, they had somebody go to still water and hang out in a bar for the entire week and like make little tallies on their arms of how many times Justin showed up. Did you ever get asked to do anything weird, like surveil a player, like stake him out or something? There was, uh, there was a player coming out.

It was a corner, I believe, that had been in a fight at an in and out burger out here about like an hour and a half from my house. He went to high school like an hour and a half away. And so they had to get to the bottom of what happened in this fight at it in an out burger. Uh, uh, so I had to go to talk to his high school coach. They by himself talked to him, get his version. He has two brothers.

They wanted me to meet with both brothers, but not at the same time. Cause they want to see of all the stories lined up. So I'm driving all over LA to find out about some fight that happened at an out burger. It was like the most harmless thing. Like it was no big deal at all. And that was like my moment where I had had some opportunities in the media and I was like, Oh man, I think I'm good.

I think the scouting thing, I think I'm good on chasing out all this information. Like let's, uh, let's look and see what's out there in the TV world. So knowing that what you just said, which is very interesting that scouts don't really get heard as much as they used to, are there specific teams that still do use a lot? Like they lean on their scouts more than the rest of the NFL. Like which teams really have, uh, you know, like the flow of ideas really happen here and the GM is listening to everyone and not just making their

decision and saying everyone else fall in line. Yeah, I think there's, uh, there's still some teams like that. You know, Joe Douglas is a good buddy of mine. So we grew up together with the Ravens. And I know that's the way he grew up at. So I know with the jets that he's built his staff to try and be able to do the same thing there, um, the Eagles, uh, really good staff. I know they, they, uh, they do some more of that, but I'm telling you,

it's, uh, you could probably count on one hand, the teams that really, really rely and have, uh, have a lot of ones from their scouting. It's just different, man. Uh, I'm looking at the log jam of wide receivers here and CD lamb, Jerry Judy, I don't know which one's going to go first, who's going to go second. Um, but you have CD lamb going to the jets and then Judy going to the Raiders. Is there any chance that the Ouija board that they use to communicate with, with Al Davis pops up and it says you have to draft Henry rugs because he

ran like a four to, or are they going to stick with one of those two top guys that you said, I think there's a chance that rugs can be the first receiver to go. Uh, I know I've talked to some teams that have them as a top receiver. So it just kind of depends on what you're looking for, what you have. We talk about like, you know, we're receiving cords like a basketball team. You want different sizes, you know, power forwards, point guards. Um, and if you have a bunch of those bigger guys, you really need speed. Those are a great example.

Um, rugs to me makes the most sense for them. They need speed. They don't have any speed. So that to me would put him above some of these other guys. Uh, but the Raiders, I don't know. I mean, that would be tempting. I'm hoping this goes to the Niners because I want to see him with Shanahan and his creativity to see what he could do with them.

That's where that's where the perfect landing spot would be. So speaking of wide receivers, everyone knows like the story of this draft is that it is the, the, probably the deepest draft in terms of wide receivers. How do you think teams are going to approach this on draft night? Are they going to one say, all right, this is a deep draft, but we, once the run of receivers start, we got to get ourselves in there. Or are you going to see teams really wait back and be like, we can get a first round talent in the late second round when it comes to the receiver position.

I think it's going to be fascinating to watch because there's like, you know, five or six guys that are worth first round picks, but because the sheer number of them, I think there are some teams that are going to wait and say, you know, I, I love this guy, but I can wait and get a similar player in the, you know, a third round this year. So I think you'll see some teams approach it that way, but the top guys, like the top three or four, I mean, they're all the way up there for a reason. And if you're the Raiders who don't get number one receiver, the jets don't

have a legit number one receiver. I know Denver really wants to pair somebody up with Cortland Sutton. So I think some of these teams are a little more motivated than others. So speaking of the jets, and you mentioned Joe Douglas, who's a friend of yours, uh, can you walk us through how you planted that story that you were being looked at for a front office job? Cause that was, listen, you're smart. Like if you're in the, uh, TV side, every five or six years, you need to get

a story that you're thinking about going back to the scouting world to kind of keep you relevant. And then of course, eventually you have to do like the John Gruden or the Mike Mayock and be like, all right, let's do it. We're going to jump it. I would imagine that's going to happen like in 10 years, but how did you plant that story? That was masterful.

Oh, I want to say, I got to write this all down real quick here. So it's, it's, I should have, I should have then renegotiated my con. Yeah. Your timing was off of that one. Yes. Okay. Yeah. Let me write that down real quick.

Do that in a contract here. And then you say, I'm going to go to the NFL. They're going to pay me $4 million a year to be a general manager. But if you give me half that, I'll say. So do you, but seriously, do you talk to owners to get your name out there? Do you do the scouts? Like where, what's the approach there? I, I, I have a zero contact with owners.

Unfortunately, if I could develop more relationship with owners, I think that would be a good thing for a variety of reasons. Um, but, but I, I am thinking now I've set the timer. So this Jets thing, I think was last year. Yup. So what do you think? Like every two years we get this. No, no, no, no, no, two years means two years is thirsty.

That's desperate. It's more like every four or five years, just get your name in there for an opening job. You don't have to take it, but at least has people be like, okay. His, his analysis is so good that a team wants to hire him. Yeah. And it should be with a major market too. Like you don't want to just throw out that, you know, Tampa Bay is interested

in New York or whatever. You want it to be like an LA team, a New York team, maybe even the cowboys, maybe have Jerry Jones being like, he wants somebody else. That's not his son to boss around. So the thing about bringing you in, they've got the purse strings. They can do it. Um, so yeah, there's definitely an arc to this. I'm just trying to think if we use like Schefter did that one.

Right. So you don't want to go back to the same guy. Cause that could, that could get, that could get kind of dicey. My dog could do it. Rotate it. Yeah. Rotate it. We could, we could leak it out there.

Tell you what, I'm actually an owner of the Green Bay Packers. So you could say Packers ownership has had conversations with Daniel Jeremiah about bringing him in as the front office. So, um, you can actually report that legitimately now. So I'm going to pencil you guys in for the four years from now. Done. Okay. And then, and then I've got to start working.

It's like the Olympics. I can just kind of treat this as the Olympics every four years. Well, not this year, but most years you have the Olympics every four years. And then I can just coincide that with a leak. And that's perfect. That's how you time it out. So PFT just mentioned the Packers. Your mock draft, uh, has the Packers taking a quarterback in round one.

So Matt LaFleur does hate Aaron Rodgers that much. Well, I just think it makes sense for them. That's what they've done. They've had a guy for like 15 years and then they draft the guy, let him sit for a couple of years and he goes on for another 15 years. And I just think of like that situation, how jealous you would be if you were, you know, a team like the Redskins who've been trying to find their quarterback for like 20 years and now you get teams like the Packers that just have the

same guy for like 15 years, handed off to the next guy for 15 years, handed off to the next guy for 15 years. It's actually been longer than 20. It's been, I think 30 years for Redskins now, yeah. I don't want, I don't want to compliment the Packers, but it is true that like the worst time to look for a quarterback is when you need one. So do you actually think that Jordan Love is worth the first round pick? Do you have him up there with Tua, Burrow, Herbert, like maybe, maybe

break down those four guys and who do you think is going to have long term success? Yeah, I have a couple of tiers. So to me, it's Burrow and Tua and that top tier together. Then there's a, then there's a pretty significant drop off and you get to Herbert and Love and for a while I had Love over Herbert. Love's the most talented guy. He's got the most ability of anybody. Like if you just want to watch somebody throw a football, he's the most

talented guy, period, but decision making is, is a major issue. Field vision is a little bit of an issue with him. He needs time, just going to need some time to develop. That's why, like if you're going to script it, it's go to Green Bay, sit behind Rodgers, go to New Orleans, sit behind Drew Brees. Like those are good, you know, offensive coaches and you're going to have time to develop there. So that's why it makes some sense for him.

But I have those other two guys, I think Burrow is my second player. Tua is like my sixth player. And then I have, I think Herbert's like 20 and Love's like 22. So that's like kind of the range of where those guys are. What would shock you for how low like Love could go? Could he get into the mid second round or is it he's going to be scooped up in the first round because everyone knows getting that extra year on a quarterback is very important as the Lamar Jackson thing shows.

Yeah, I think Indy has two second round picks. So Phillips, 38 years old. I mean, that to me would be awfully tempting for them to just trade right back into the bottom of the first round. You get Jordan Love. You don't have to play him, but you've got tremendous upsides. So, you know, Ballard coming from Kansas City, you know, he saw the blueprint there of drafting a talented player and letting him sit and then, and then off

you go. So that would be the team I would, I would peg for him. And I don't think you would go beyond where they pick in the second round. Okay. So is there a chance that once, let's just say Tua, Burrow, Herbert go off the board pretty high. Is there a chance that we see a run where teams start reaching on quarterbacks and they panic like we saw? I figure what draft was that?

That was like the Jake Locker, Blaine Gabbard, maybe Christian Ponder, where people just ponder and they throw out their, their big board altogether. And they're like, we need a quarterback if you want to win. If those guys go off the board early, are we going to see maybe a team in the teens or early 20s that reaches for love? I don't think so. Just because I think those teams all have guys they can line up and play with. It's not like they're in, you know, dire straits.

We don't have anybody. They, I think I froze there for a second, but they, they have, you know, the Raiders would be the team I would keep an eye on, but I, you know, they got out, went out and got Mariota. They already have a car. I don't really see that happening. So I think we'll see three of these guys go. And then I think we're going to see love drop a little bit.

Okay. The other thing that jumped out to me about your, your mock, and I've read a few different mock drops here, almost every single one that I'm looking at has zero running backs going in the first round. You don't think that there's going to be a general manager out there that looks at what the Titans did last year. And they think to themselves, you know what, we can zig while everybody else's bags draft a really talented running back and then just run them

into the ground for four years and try to win that way with a strong running game and a good defense. Are you pretty confident that we're going to have to wait until at least the second round for, you know, whether it's Jonathan Taylor or Swift to come off the board? Yeah, I think Swift's one of the 20 best players in the draft. So I think there's value there. I think the whole conversation is whether you re-sign these guys, not

whether you draft them. And if you can get five or six years of elite production, I think it's worth the first round pick personally. But just talking to people around the league, a bunch of people are saying, look, there's a pretty deep running back class similar to the wide receiver conversation that we had in that, you know, I like the Andre Swift a lot, but I can wait and get somebody in the second or third round. I'll get a Cam Acres from Florida State and I can go get one of the premiere

positions in the first round. So I think there's a good chance we don't see one, but I do think that I think Swift is absolutely worth the first round pick. The team that I say don't sleep on and everybody kind of laughs about it is Baltimore because they are, they run the ball more than anybody. I know what you have in Ingram. They've got some other good backs, but this kid is really good. And as much as they run it and what he can do, I would love to see him in

Lamar Jackson for the next few years. Yeah. So I think one of the big draft stories that also is going to happen on draft night is, is will the Patriots try to get a quarterback to replace Tom Brady? I know they, they like Stidham right now, but do you see that happening at all where they try to trade up? I know that's very anti what Bill Belichick has done, but have you heard any buzz about a guy they might like?

No, I've heard they like Herbert, but I haven't heard any talk about them really being aggressive to trade up for him. And, and talking to buddies around the league, they've said Stidham is well thought of in that building. I think he's more highly thought of in the building than maybe some people realize they want to give him a chance. You've got Hoyer, kind of your insurance. You know, if it doesn't go well with Stidham, he gets you through the year

and then you could address it next year. But I think they'll, I think they'll give Stidham an opportunity this year. I don't think they're going to do it in the first round. I wouldn't be shocked if they took somebody like in the fifth round or something like that, just to bring somebody new into the building. But it doesn't seem like Belichick to trade a bunch of assets to go up and get somebody, right? If we're, if we're looking at next year's draft class, a little bit ahead of schedule.

And obviously Trevor Lawrence, that's a big name that's out there. How would Trevor Lawrence stack up right now if you were to put him up against Joe Burrow in the same draft? Yeah, I mean, I haven't done a full workup on him, like the full study, but he's, he's a freak, man, is, is big and athletic as he is. And he's kind of that like traditional quarterback, what you want with all that ability, plus all the athleticism that he brings with what teams are wanting to do with this new school group.

So I think he's got more upside, more potential than Joe does. You know, Joe is a little more polished at this time. He's older. He's, he's ready to go right now. But I think next year, hopefully we have a season, but next year we'll be talking about, about Lawrence is possibly one of the best we've seen the last handful of years. He's really talented.

Yeah, because that's what we're talking about. It's like, there's a possibility that the Patriots go with Stitum, a combination of him and Hoyer, they end up playing really poorly this year, find themselves in a position where they could potentially move up to number one overall to draft Trevor Lawrence, and then we're fucked for the next 12 years of the Patriots being great again. So that's, that's a scenario that we're trying to avoid. I've got a question about the draft value chart.

Are teams still using the same points chart that Jimmy Johnson, you know, he created one summer in Key West when he had like seven daiquiris and just sat down and wrote a bunch of numbers and how they corresponded. Is that still what everybody is looking at the Bible for? Yeah, so I got it right here, man. This is the same one, the Jimmy Johnson chart. So I, like I was talking with the GM the other day and we were talking about a potential trade, you know, then moving back in the draft and just

everybody just kind of keeps this thing on your desk and like, okay, you want to go from here to there? Okay. That's 700 points. Okay. They need to give you their three. They need to give you this. So most teams still operate off that same, that same Key West chart.

I didn't know the backstory there though. I just made it up, but I mean, it probably would happen. Yeah, in between extends commercials, he just jotted down a bunch of numbers. It's so, it's so weird to me that people have just agreed that that's the accepted value. Do teams, are there teams out there that come up with their own charts and assign their own value to draft picks? Well, there's premiums you have to pay too.

So it's like, I know what the chart says, but like, if I'm going to trade off an opportunity to get Chase Young, you've got to give me more than what the chart says you're supposed to give me. And that's where like the bangles, I'm sure they've been offered, you know, if the dolphins really want to burrow, I'm sure they can offer them well above what the chart says. And I still don't think the bangles would do it. But it is still kind of like the basic framework of the discussion that

that's, you know, it's kind of weird, but that's just what they use. So I got a question about the bears. I, so I think this actually kind of correlates to your career in when you were with the Browns, 2007, 2008, Phil Savage is the GM. He knows that he's probably at the end of his road there, which ends up being the case. You guys don't have a ton of draft capital. What was the strategy going to that?

And how does that relate to, I see the bears not having a first round pick. Ryan Pace knows this is an important draft. Is there a sense of urgency where you then start ranking guys like, who can help me write this second versus who can be maybe a project that's a year or two out? Yeah, because, you know, in that year they had traded, Phil had traded for Sean Rogers and Corey Williams, like all, all these picks for players. That was the only draft I was there for was that one. We didn't pick till the fourth round.

And so you're like, okay, we need an inside linebacker. And, you know, to, you know, to start for us. So you're locked in on this group of players and you get kind of picked clean. You end up reaching for a player who, I say we reached for him. NFL wise, phenomenal arena career for Bo Bell, but probably shouldn't have picked him in the fourth there in Cleveland. But that's what you do. You start getting real need conscious at that point in time.

And I think you can make some mistakes. Yeah. So do you think that the bears, like just hearing around the league, do you think that Ryan Pace feels the pressure? Do you think that this is a draft that he needs to knock out of the park, uh, knowing that the Trubisky pick didn't go well. And if the bears kind of falter here again, it could be head starting to roll at Hallis Hall.

He needs the quarterback position to produce this year. So whether that's Trubisky to justify that pick or whether that's Nick Foles to justify what you paid to get him, you have to have better production. Hopefully, you know, there's got to be an acceptable level of wins. But I think even if they weren't, you know, making a deep playoff run, if they solved the quarterback position with one of those two guys, I think it helps them, you know, going forward to make their case to stick around. If they don't win a bunch of games and they don't play better at the quarterback

position, uh, that's it. So they've got to get that figured out. Yeah. Can you give us a player like, uh, you know, back in the day, Mel Kuiper said that he would, he would walk away. He would retire from his gig as draft analyst. If Jimmy Clausen did not become a starter in the NFL, can you give us a player that you will stake your entire reputation on?

Who, uh, no, but I'll make, I'll give you one that I would, uh, I would take a pay cut for. Can I do that? Yeah, well, the pay cut will go to us. Yes. You're not going to like take less money. You're just going to pay us if you get it wrong. That's fine.

I just asked for a t-shirt. Um, I'll go, uh, put my paycheck on. Let's go. Yeah. Look, if it's really going to be my paycheck, I would say chase you. Um, but I can go, I can go outside the top group there and give you another guy. Why things going to be really good. Yeah.

Let's do that. Uh, let me see here. You know what I think, um, I'll say the linebacker, Kenneth Murray from, from Oklahoma is just going to be a really, really good player. His like, his wiring and intelligence, competitiveness, all that stuff, like off the charts. So when you get an athletic freak like that, who's, you know, a leader and, and really smart and instinctive, all that stuff.

Like he's just got too many things lined up for him, for him not to be successful. So I'm not going to specify how much of a cut we're talking about here, but, um, yeah, it's enough. It puts a pick. I, it'll put a new picture on the wall behind you. I think that's, I can promise you that. There we go. Okay.

Um, can you go rapid fire real quick on, uh, just each position, just say strong or weak, cause we know the wide receivers are strong. Uh, so just go throughout the entire game. Uh, you know, roster of stronger week in this draft so that if people were looking for like a crib sheet of what's, what to expect, they can go off of this. Cool. Um, I'll go quarterback is, uh, I'll go strong. I feel like you've got the guys up there at the top running back, very strong.

Receiver, extremely strong, tight end week, uh, tackle, strong interior offensive line week, uh, defensive tackle, defensive tackle, defensive tackle, defensive tackle, strong, edge rusher week, linebacker, I thought was weak, but it's actually strong cornerback, strong safety, strong ish. Okay. So it's somewhere in the middle. That's actually very helpful because I mean, I think the even like what comes out, I'm noting there is like the defensive edge rushers, everyone's obviously

looking for those guys and this isn't going to be that draft. Uh, that's why you're going to see some of these guys get elevated. Like I like Caleb on chase on from LSU is like my 25th player. He could be a top, you know, 15 pick because teams are just desperate to try and find some edge rush. And it's going to push those guys up. Nice. What about Edwards, the layer from LSU, just watching him as a fan for the last

year, uh, especially, I think the Texas game, I saw some stuff out of them that I thought he would be a no doubter first round pick. I think he's going to be a great NFL running back. Um, is there any chance that he might be the first guy off the board at the running back position? I think there's a chance. I, he's my second running back. I love him and some people freaked out that he ran four, six flat.

I'm like, it's the exact same time that Josh Jacobs ran last year and look what he did in the league is he jumped like 39 and a half inches. So he's explosive. He just didn't, you know, he didn't run a fast 40, but he catches ball extremely well. He's the best pass catcher in the draft as a running back to me. Like if I was going to hand pick for a team Tampa Bay in the second round to put that dude with Tom Brady, um, Tom Brady's always had that type of back.

And now you get a chance to get this kid there. That would be the perfect spot for him. Here's a little spin zone you can use when, when you want to elevate a running back that is maybe not that fast in the 40 time. You can say sometimes at the running back position, it's more about how quickly you can stop than how quickly you can run. And he's got great breaks. Yeah.

There you go. Yeah, no, absolutely. He's, and he's like five, seven. He's a little dude, but he's strong. I don't remember running back ever going into Tuscaloosa and doing what he did to Alabama's defense. Like as great as Joe was in that game, Edwards and Larry put on a show. Yep.

How nervous are teams having to deal with like the practicality of doing this on zoom, doing it remotely? Like, do you think the teams are going to have a good handle on this? Or are we going to get some hilarious fuckups on draft night? I'm 42. So like all my buddies that I talked to at that level are all kind of similar age. So I don't think that the computer scares them quite as much. I think they're, they're fine.

And I don't think what people realize on the first round, like they're, you know, the concern is with the trades. Well, on the first round before the draft, you're, you've called every team and said, okay, if I'm, if I'm the Cowboys at 17, I've called every team that picks in front of me and we've had the conversation of, Hey, if you wanted to trade out and we wanted to trade up, what would that look like? And you kind of lay the groundwork of what that compensation would be for every team. Now, the likelihood that they want to move out and you want to move up,

it's not, but if that does happen, you don't pick up the phone and say, okay, here's what we're going to offer you. We pick up the phone and say, okay, do you want to do it? Like we've kind of already talked about this stuff. Do you want to do it? Yes or no. So that eliminates some of the time you need to get that processed. That makes sense.

Outside of Tua, is there a player whose injury history is going to make things like a real crap shoot, make them a real risky pick, considering that teams can't go in and have their own doctors evaluate them? Yeah, there's, there's a bunch of guys, um, you know, I hate, I don't want to say a bunch of them, but like the guy like, uh, you know, Terrell Lewis from Alabama, his, uh, has had some injuries in his past. He's, he's really talented. Um, but I think teams would have liked to have the opportunity to do a little bit

more with him medically than they got a chance to. So I don't think it's going to go on draft or anything like that, but it can penalize you a little bit and cost you with some teams. Um, some teams are conservative this year because they haven't got as much medical and other teams like, man, this is a great opportunity. I hope these other teams fail these kids. They're going to fall right to us and we're going to get them. So, uh, teams looking at it both ways.

Yeah. All right. My last question, it's the most important question we have, uh, does hand size matter? Ooh, I would say there's an acceptable level and it's, I, I put it maybe a little bit lower. I mean, it's right at not, you know, the words and it's nine. You get to nine, you're nine, you're golden.

Yeah. You're under nine, you're under nine. It's, it's a concern, but, um, you know, I, it's, people laugh at that all the time, but it is what it is. You, you'd much rather have them have big hands, but as long as they're nine, I'm, I'm good. That's, that's exactly what we say all the time. It's, it's crazy because like most things on, on the internet, the pendulum

swings so far one way or the other, where it's swung to the point where it's like people mock hand size, but at the end of the day, I would imagine you'd rather have a guy with 10 inch mitts than a guy with eight and three force or whatever it may be. No, no doubt. I mean, it's just what your preference would be, especially when you're talking cold weather and fumbles and all that kind of stuff. But it, you know, if a guy has, I've seen guys with, you know, nine inch hands,

they don't have never had any fumbling issues. Um, they can control the football. They throw a tight ball. Like if, you know, there's other guys, you watch them like, gosh, like I watch him throw, it looks like he's throwing a medicine ball. Like his hands look small. He's dropping the ball and then all of a sudden you get the hand measurement. It's eight and seven eighths.

And you're like, well, yeah, that's the legit problem. We could see it when we watch it on tape. Right. Right. Um, who are your top five long snappers? I know you've done a lot of research on that. Uh, I, you know what, I like to keep that close. We're trying to get big broadcast numbers.

It's a joint affair with NFL network and ESPN this year. And for me to release my long snapper ratings at the draft is just, that's not in the, in the best order there. You got to say, yeah, you got to save, like that's a tease. It's what we call the business. So, um, I'm looking forward to tuning into that. How's that going to work? By the way, I know you're not allowed to tip draft picks this year, but are you,

you're doing a joint broadcast. So you're on the same set as like Trey Wingo and all those guys. I'm here. I'm like right at home. So Wingo is, Wingo is going to be in Connecticut and then everybody else is on remotes. So we're all at home. So you think Wingo is going to kick it to other people like ESPN people instead

of kicking it to you because you're at the rival. It's like an, like an all star game, like get iced out in the, uh, in the all star game. Are, are he might just like wear you out in the first 20 minutes and go, we're going all Jeremiah. Yeah. What, what if Wingo only goes to me on special teams players? Yeah.

That would be fucked up. Are you going to, are you going to have like a Gatorade bottle underneath your table so that you can take a piss during it? Mel Kuiper doesn't piss during his. What is this? We got a bucket. You're going to piss in that? No, it's a, it's a water.

It's a hydro flash for water. Yeah, I know, but are you, you should probably think about that. Cause like, what if Wingo calls you and you're in the bathroom? That's a great point. I've got it. I've got to, I've got to think this thing through a little bit more. Yes. Yes.

Um, all right. Daniel Jeremiah, thank you so much. We'd love to have you on any time you're a recurring guest now. Uh, and we appreciate it. We're still is going to be pissed that we had you on cause he's kind of your guy. So, but that's fine. We can, we can deal with the fallout from that, but, uh, we should have you on like immediately after the draft to give grades to every team before we ever get

to see the players play. That's my favorite part. That, that is so much fun. By the way, if you, if I had video and you could have seen Mayak, who would flip his lid because we would just finished the draft and they go, all right, this is the last thing we got to hit on some draft grades that he literally would be like, not happening. I am not, he refused to like, I'm not doing it.

I like, and I'm like, I'm like first or second year. And I'm like, I'm just trying to keep my job. I got four kids like, I don't know, B plus. Yes. Perfect. All right. Well, thank you so much, Daniel. We really appreciate it.

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We actually have two take-quakes. So I saved one. I saved the one I was going to do for who's back for the take-quake season PMT. We'll start with yours and then we'll do mine. Take-quake me. Okay. This comes from our good friend, longtime stoolie Susan Slesser in the San Francisco Chronicle. She wrote an article about spitting in baseball and how the coronavirus should lead

baseball to outlaw spinning because it's infectious disease nightmare. You got the pitcher licking his fingers, touching the ball, throwing it to the catcher. Catcher taking the ball out, throwing it back, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. We all know that spitting is just as big a part of baseball as all the other big parts like sacrifice, bunts, steroids, you name it. It's ingrained in the DNA of baseball. I just want to say I respect the fact that somebody is using this crisis to try to get spitting out of baseball, but spitting needs to stay.

It's the only place in America where you where a guy could just go outside and spit nonstop for like 30 minutes at a time and nobody says shit to him about 30 minutes, like four hours. And and and it's not even like the game of baseball. Get get 50 guys, put them in the middle of a field and have them stand around. They're all going to start spitting. That's what you do in the middle of a field like there's nothing to do but spit. In fact, isn't it better to be spitting all your germs out? If we're looking at this infectious disease point of view, I think it's better to be.

It's like if you have a handgun and you're constantly firing off rounds into the ground, you're way less likely to accidentally shoot somebody, right? So that we should actually be encouraging more spitting in baseball and other sports. Also, if you're in San Francisco, I think that you need to take care of your own house before you start looking elsewhere, because you've got a guy just down the street and Steph Curry that's got a walking Petri dish in his mouthpiece. He's thrown all over God's good creation when he's on the court. So maybe you talk to him before you bring it into America's pastime.

And if they love spitting the players and the managers and stuff, we're going to realize how boring the actual game is and have nothing to focus on on the bench. That's my favorite things to do is to be watching a live baseball broadcast and to bet on how long it's going to take at the most in between times that you see a guy spitting. Usually, it's only like three and a half seconds. It's crazy that they would ever think that whatever this woman is wrong, even though she's been a long time listener. All right, my take quick that I have it might one up this one,

because we had Jim Harbaugh had his comments where he was talking about like the coronavirus and everything that's going on. And he talked about how we talk about this is quote. We talk about sanctity of life, yet we live in a society that aborts babies. There can't be anything more horrendous. He took a little turn there at the end of his coronavirus statement. But here from Steve King in Iowa, who's I think a politician, right? I believe so. Yeah, he said. Listener.

Yeah, loosely, he said, Jim Harbaugh beats Ohio State every time when the score is on the values imparted to those he leads. All right. There we go. Wait, wait, wait, wait. You think that's good that we're doing scoreboards on the on the values and not actually on the football field. But then he went on to say, maybe not a national championship, but a culture that champions the value of life. Hmm. I love that.

The Jim Harbaugh has gotten his dick kicked in by Ohio State year in and year out. But if if we're only judging on the values imparted to those he leads, he has dominated this rivalry. Yeah. And he's very consistent in the fact that he doesn't like to have high seeds eliminated, whether that be inside a wound or on a football field. So good for Jim. He he Michigan fans knowing Michigan fans,

they're definitely going to count this as a national championship. Hang the banner. They're going to be like, well, here we go. It's just the same as when we beat the Detroit YMCA in 1904. Well, I mean, Urban Meyer and Ohio State is the Detroit YMCA of morals. And correct, correct. Putting together a program that you can you can set your clock to and value. You had some some harsh words about you, Ohio State yesterday.

Well, Ohio State offered me the offensive coordinator job. I'm not about to go coach for Urban Meyer and then let him throw me under the bus every time we lose and leak all my text messages and basically make me the, you know, scapegoat for everything that he wants to do. That's morally corrupted. His university, other than that, fine guy. I actually have been thinking about Urban Meyer and I think that's very odd. Well, yeah, it's truly odd.

I think he is the shadow football coach at Ohio State University, excuse me, the Ohio State University right now. I don't think he ever really left. I think that he's still got like a back entrance to the place and he's still calling most of the shots. Yeah, I don't believe that this is Ryan Day that's totally taken over and had the exact same amount of success that Urban has had. I think that Urban just refused to walk out that door permanently,

but he is like, you know what, I'm going to say that I'm doing it for my family. I'm going to go on TV. I'm going to plant little negative stories about our opponents and just like do a little bit of undermining across the board in the NCAA. And then in the meantime, I've still got the bat phone that I'll pick up and I'll help you guys when it comes to the install meeting. They did show him right before that that interception that ended the Clemson, Ohio State national semifinal game.

It's crazy to just like think back about sports. I was like, wait, when was that game? What was that game? Oh, yeah. OK. All right, let's do it forward to you. Yeah. No, I think you're right now. I'm looking for I just get excited when I get to smell a different room, a room that's slightly off from the room that I'm sitting in. I mean, last day as we're recording this before the last dance, but the best thing like I woke up today, very excited for that.

Yeah, I mean, it's pretty much for me, it's that and and game days for Doug's. Game days for Doug's do feel different in my household. So but that's pretty much it. It is 420 today. It doesn't even feel like 420. Yeah. Oh, yeah. True. See. True. That happy birthday. His birthday before 420. Oh, nice.

You're going to call him. All right, let's do our Mount Fleshmore. Ready? Yeah. All right. We'll do a Mount Fleshmore toppings. Hank, you are starting because it is Monday. Are you ready to go? I'm ready to go. Although, I will say you kind of pulled a hezzie hay on.

No, you just took a shower. Like that wasn't that wasn't a hezzie hay. They can't agree that the hezzie hay was only put in a place because it would be a better Mount Fleshmore to do in person because it gets a little complicated, which we'll do on Tuesday. And then you got out of the shower and you're like, oh, my God, I just wrote down my whole Mount Fleshmore. Oh, I didn't write anything down.

I was in the shower. I know that was the joke. Right. I mentally wrote it down. Anchovis. OK, good pick. Wait, hold on, hold on, hold on. In honor of Anchovis, I'm going to find that revel. Yeah, go ahead, go ahead, PFT. What are you going to say about Anchovis? This it might be controversial,

but I think that Anchovis are not that bad. That's a try hard move by you. That's not a try hard move by you. It's not a try hard move. Here's why it's not. Anchovis only get a bad rap because of cartoons where they like you were told from a young age. Oh, and how about these drugs on the Ninja Turtles?

You put an anchovies on my song, bro, splinter, not cool. That's actually not at all what Anchovis are delicious. Delicious. No, they aren't. That's see that's the try hard move. Oh, they know they just taste like salt. The anchovies are gross, dude. Are you just are you master splinter like what's good? You know, like the Ninja Turtles.

No, I'm saying the Ninja Turtles we use as propaganda to try to go. But no, it's correct. Yeah, it's correct. Cool crimes. And number two, Naughty Ancho. No, I think it's more about the thing that they're gross than than the Ninja Turtles. Do you like Caesar salad? Not with anchovies.

Caesar dressing has anchovies in it. OK, that's I mean, that's different. I don't want little fish on my fucking on my fucking pizza, dude, it has nothing to do with Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. This is a try. And anchovies are the worst in SpongeBob. It's not a great pick. It's not. It's not a try hard.

Not a try hard move. I I'll give you this. Anchovies, when they have the heads and the eyes on. Yeah, that's not cool. But if it's just like the meat, yeah, it's great. It's good. I'm telling you. What do you order with anchovies? What are you going to order with anchovies?

Whatever he's about to say is going to be a try hard move. No, it's not a try hard move at all. Go ahead, say it. It's the first time you go to a pizza, you go to a pizza, you go to you, you go to a pizza place and you get anchovies on your pizza. I do it probably one out of every 15 times I order pizza. So it's not like an every time thing,

because I'm not trying to show off or be a try hard. Be like, look what I like. But it's nice to have as a change of pace every now and again. If I see anchovies like mixed into a pasta, sometimes I'll order that. But it's not like I go out of my way to tell everybody, oh, I love anchovies. I am just a believer that that there's been a tremendous

propaganda effort against anchovies and sardines for most of my adult life. And I just want to speak out in favor of him. I want to use my platform. Noted. Yeah. We yeah, very much noted. All right, I can't find this fucking tweet. I don't know what I think he deleted.

He might have deleted it because he was just on it. It was essentially like a little life hack for everyone who's going to be a freshman this year. When you order pizza to your dorm room, get anchovies on it so no one will take a bite. It's like, yeah, that's a really good way to also not have any friends. And I want to say I would never do anything like that. That's not the type of anchovy order.

I'll do it like on my own every once in a blue moon. I would never like request anchovies on a pizza in a group order. All right, PFT, your first pick. My first pick, I'm going to go with I'm going to go with raw onion, just raw onion on like a burger. It doesn't matter if it's red or if it's white onion. It can it can overpower the entire rest of the dish. Yeah, yeah, I agree with that.

You need to also like a lazy. That's usually like a sign of a shitty like sports bar burger, like lazy, just throw it on top. You like a thick ass one. It's also just like how much better are caramelized onions and raw onions? Significant. It's infinity. So it's like, do do a little bit of work here and make them

even better. Yeah, even grill onions. All right, my first two I get to I don't I've never met anyone who likes this. And I hope no one likes it. But artichokes are disgusting. I don't know what the fucking artichoke is. Yeah, but I had that artichoke. Oh, PFT all the time.

What what what cartoon of our childhood changed our mind to think artichokes. You're not going to budge me off my anchovy steak. And my anchovies take is not that. Well, but you gave me a little side eye with artichokes. I know I was just thinking to myself, like spinach artichoke dip is good, but that's not artichoke. Artichokes are pizzas disgusting.

Yeah, that's I wasn't going to touch that. I agree with that. Yeah. Yeah. As soon as soon as you start doing dips, because like also dips every dip when you're like, oh, yeah, the spinach artichoke dip is good. It's like probably a shitload of butter or cheese or something in it that makes it good. That's the good part. All right. Shout out to shout out

to Scottsdale Community College, though. They're they're the artichokes and I have one of their shirts and I love it. Hank, we're going to say something negative about or positive about artichokes, weren't you? No, that's what I was going to say. I just I had this. I had that Scottsdale Community College artichoke shirt and it's it's it's lasted me like four years. I can't get rid of it.

Have you guys ever done this? My second pick already the artichoke shrimp on pizza is disgusting. Disgusting. And it's good as a cocktail. Oh, wait, wait, wait, it's OK. I've definitely tried it being like who this could be interesting. And then you're like, wait, that was a bad idea. Hank, you don't understand when it's in a cocktail.

There's tomato sauce that goes with it. Totally. You like shrimp on your pizza? No. OK. Absolutely not. That's interesting. Shrimp cocktails. Great. Shrimp cocktails. It's delicious. Delicious.

You need. What? Wait, wait, wait, wait, that proves my entire point. No, it doesn't sauce that proves my entire point. No cocktail without the sauce would be disgusting, because without it, it would just be a topping. No, it's the it's the it's the texture of shrimp on pizza is very disgusting. It's like the cheese and the shrimp together just don't work.

It's cheese and shrimp. I wouldn't I wouldn't have cheese and shrimp. Well, is this pizza toppings or just toppings? Toppings, but it's pizza topping for this one. You're being very specific with your. OK, well, I'm saying a pizza topping. He's saying shrimp on pizza as would you would you want shrimp on what? Who's that dog?

I've never heard a dog on this form. You can have a dog. All right, this is very contentious. PFT, your second pick. My second pick, I'm going to go with off alpha sprouts, sprouts in general on a sandwich. It's like you're flossing with with pubes. Gross. The jelly green giant.

Yeah, really, really disgusting stuff. Gross, I agree. Good, good pick. Thank you. Hank. I will go with jalapenos jalapenos. Come on. Oh, I'm I'll give that to you because you have the palate of an infant when it comes to spice. So if it's too spicy, I understand.

If I ever get something and I fucking have a bite of a jalapeno that I didn't expect, I get so mad every time without fail. If you like hot sauce or whatever the fuck you freaks like, get it on your own. It should just be like thrown onto nachos like you've got a nacho and you're not expecting a jalapeno and then you got a jalapeno bomb. Terrible, a terrible experience. What about the different hot sauces at Taco Bell?

What's the highest that you'll go in those zero? They're all great. They're all great. Don't get me wrong. Mild, medium and hot fire sauce. Everyone loves the fire sauce, not me. The food is good enough where you don't need. So there you go. All right, your second, your third pick, Hank.

Fried egg on pizza. Wait, on what? On pizza, on a burger. Oh, the burgers are wrong choice. The fried egg on a burger is awesome. It is incorrect. No, you're incorrect. No, you're incorrect.

No, you're incorrect. I do think that the fried egg on the burger has gotten overused recently where they just started putting it on stuff, but it's still really good on like a hangover burger where you have the yolk a little bit runny. But into it makes you feel like it's breakfast, lunch and dinner all at once. Delicious. All right. P.F.T. year's third pick. My third pick, I'm going to go with.

We've got something in food once mushrooms, mushrooms, mushrooms. Not a fan of mushrooms as a topping. I'm OK with mushrooms. It's kind of a give or take. I yeah, I whatever. They're like a whatever thing. I they're one of the only toppings that I'll eat around on a pizza. All right, my third pick.

I think Hank's going to hate this one. Actually, I have two that Hank might hate. Gummy bears on ice cream. Disgusting. They get so hard. Yeah, when you go like frozen yogurt bars. What do you what do you do? And I can't catch mad news.

Do you like the gummy bears on ice cream? Of course, I like the ice cream. You mean they get so hard. The consistency of a gummy bear is completely ruined when it's put on ice cream and the flavors never match up. No, but then you get that you have the ice cream and then the ice cream melts away and then you get the nice savory taste of a gummy bear. No, it's not savory.

Yeah, so what he is. But you do get to taste the gummy bear. Also, if it's a rock hard gummy bear, yeah, it makes you work for it a little bit longer. It's like you have to chew it. You loosen it up a little bit. You get it. I hate it. Oh, I don't mind it at all. I hate it.

You just said you didn't like it. A gummy bear on frozen yogurt. Yeah. No, I said I do like it. I you like OK. Every time I order, you know, no, I have one that you're really going to hate. Um, and I've tried it many times and I can't I just can't get into it. Animal style sauce on fries in and out. I don't hate that one.

OK, all right. I don't get animal style. I think it's I think it's wildly overrated. I really do. I think the animal sauce on the burger. OK, like that adds something. The animal sauce on fries. I think it just becomes disgusting.

And you're like, what are we doing? We're eating like a bunch of soggy fries. And then the bottom is like untouched ones. Too much people don't eat all like people order that as like a high, like they show up high like, oh, let me get animal style. Hell, yeah. And then you have like three bites and you never finish. It's a cool hipster thing to do that. Everyone's like, you got to get animal style on fries.

And then you get it. You're like, wait, who decided that this was a good idea? Callie teens did. And then every regular person gets it. And they're like, this is a bad idea. If you're throwing a pickup on the gram and you have like the burger with the animal fries next to it, like that that looks dope. If you don't have the if you have plain fries, everyone will comment,

dude, you got to get animal style. It's like, dude, I want to actually enjoy my fries after the first bite. OK, all right. That's my fourth pick. My last one, I'm going to go with homemade ketchup or housemade ketchup. If you're at a restaurant and they have like a burger or fries or something like that and you ask for ketchup and they make it themselves. I just I can't stop thinking.

It can be all. No, all I ever want is Heinz. Heinz will never be topped in terms of how they how they've created the perfect ketchup recipe. It's sweet. I know it's got all this processed shit in there and preservatives. They're probably going to make me die 25 years earlier. But guess what?

I would rather die on my feet than die also on my knees, eating inferior ketchup. I think that can be good. Sometimes if you go to a really nice place, they can they can they can do some bomb ketchup. Hmm. It's such a crap shoot. I don't I have never had ketchup where I think to myself, this is better than Heinz, Hank, your last pick. I mean, I wasn't going to say this, but PFT just kind of reminded me

and I might as well just get it out there since, you know, people seem to be very upset with my food taste in general, but just catch up period. You just caught PFT. Ketchup is disgusting. Anyone like it's it's a mask. It's the same as buffalo sauce. If you need to have ketchup, like people that eat ketchup, get addicted to it. And they're like, I need to have pizza, but I need to have ketchup.

There is a hot dog. But I need to have a ketchup. I need to have like chips. But I need to have ketchup. It's just it's a mask. It is an addiction. I agree. Become a ketchup addict. People are weird about it.

I only I only use ketchup for french fries. That's it. The ketchup. It's the ketchup pizza people that scare me. It's like, you don't you don't need ketchup for this. I've never seen ketchup on pizza. I think no, they dip it. They dip it. Yeah. Oh, yeah. People dip it.

Midwestern bias against ketchup because of the whole hot dog thing. And I actually think hot dogs can be good with a little bit of ketchup on it. I'm not ashamed to admit it just overpowers the taste. That's my thing with ketchup. And that's I mean, I do like it on french fries because I don't know. I just like it on french fries. But I think it overpowers. I won't say that like, if you put a little ketchup on a hot dog, it doesn't.

It won't totally ruin the hot dog. But I think it's you can have a better hot dog without ketchup. Plain hot dog, chaser bun. You're good to go. There you go. Chaser bun, baby. All right. Any that miss the what do you guys think about olives? I hate olives on pizza. I used to hate olives, but in the last five years, I don't know.

I just like them now. It's weird. And then Bacos, the the fake Baco Baco. They're like soy, but they're bacon flavored. Those things are disgusting. They should be good because you're like, oh, my God, it's just bacon in a can, but it's not bacon. I had I had bread and butter pickles. You always get disappointed when you bite into those, and it's not the kosher dill.

So you're trying pickles or trash? No, bread and butter pickles are not good. All other types of pickles are awesome. I'm a pickle fanatic. Veggie might veggie might is just garbage. I know a lot of Australian people out there will disagree with that. But I mean, you know that it's trash, too. You just have to be.

It's like the skyline chili of Australia. The other one that I was considering, but it's not really a topping is. Oh, is is just cold butter on bread. That's not really a topping because it's butter, but that just drives me. I am. That's probably my my. Like if someone has cold butter at their wedding or like some kind of banquet, I immediately just hate them forever, forever. It stays in that ball in the middle of your bread.

And then you try to spread it and you end up just like decimating your entire slice of bread. Yeah, awful. What are the spicy flakes that people put on pizza? I don't like those either. Red chili. You mean red red pepper flakes? Yeah, they're delicious. You just don't like spice of any kind. We should take.

We should actually our next bet should be like we take Hank to a Thai restaurant and be like the full spice and just watch him die. The five peppers. I actually think he would go to the hospital. Like, I think he would make us call him an ambulance. I mean, I watched I watched some hot ones a lot during quarantine. Shout out to Sean Evans, but I don't think I'd make it to one wing. Like, I don't like it.

It's crazy. Big cat. Big cat. Hank, you should you should actually really want to do this to yourself because we can feed you all the spicy food at a Thai restaurant and then names that would come out of the face. You would cry everywhere. I mean, if you've seen on hot ones when Shaq was eating a wing, like it's an instant meme. Paul Rudd.

Not really a wing related, but that was a meme at us. Yeah, yeah, I'm I'm also with that. I think I'd lose my taste buds forever. All right, let's that was a good amount flushed, more contentious. Let's get to the last thing in the show. We got a deep dive with Billy football before we do that. Our friends from Free Fly. Now, Free Fly gets the big cat stamp of approval

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It is Billy football. Billy, we're going to talk about dinosaurs, but let's first talk about Billy's bunker, Billy's Berserker bunker. It's looking pretty sick, dude. Dude, I this place is awesome. We got frogs, we got kittens, we got a puppy coming. We got a ps4. We got all my jerseys on the wall.

Do you have any animals that get along together? Um, I got a puppy coming, but I'm going to put it with the kittens that will get along. Play called, dude. What games do you play on ps4? OK, so like this is like the first time I've had like a game console since like GameCube because like I kind of was like playing sports. Yeah, so I suck at all competitive games,

but I love games like Skyrim. We're like, guys, like how much free time do we have on the Twitch? Can I just like do Skyrim for hours in the meantime? Yeah, we'll have to set some protocols for you to go live on Twitch. But yes, you absolutely can. That would be sick. Oh, UFC three mean Dale has legit just been like playing that for hours. That is something we would watch.

I would watch you and Dale fight UFC three all the time. It's actually sick. We're pretty good at that. That game I'm pretty good at. So it's going to be lit. All right, so I'm looking at your wall of jerseys right now. It looks very impressive. You've got Jeter, Bird, Danny Woodhead.

And just when I thought it couldn't get any better, you've got a swag. Kelly, is that an Ole Miss jersey? Yeah, Ole Miss. Like Kelly also got Mayfield Baker Mayfield and then yourself. I got yeah, I got my high school jersey. I got Gronk and then I got the notorious McGregor. Yep. OK. And then what's up with the frogs?

OK, so you know the frogs. You guys used to have skipping Stephen A. Yeah, this might actually we might cancel dinosaurs for. Let's do dinosaurs next week. Let's do Billy's Berserker bunker right now. Let's just do it. OK, perfect. All right, I got these African clawed frogs. So you guys had these are fucking huge, bro.

Let me see. Wait, African frogs. Is that what you say? I'll feed them on camera right now. The whole thing is in the males. This is Bertha and this is Ebony. We had an ivory too, but ivory died. She was a giant albino.

She was really old. I got two Oscars. We got a fire Oscar and an albino Oscar. And then we got a Plecto Ember and Cole. And then we got a Plecto named Obama for those that are listening on the podcast and not watching. Those are in those are in storage, like closed containers. Well, Glass is expensive.

Hey, hey, Glass is expensive. Glass is expensive, but this does the exact same job. Like this is like a gas mask. It's oh, yeah, I got all my masks. We got gas masks. Oh, go to Barstool Gold to see this live. Oh, yeah, you did a bunker. All right, so so you don't have Barstool Gold anymore.

Yeah, no, that was a great plug. All right, so so walk us through what else you got here. So you basically said this might last a long time. I'm building my own bunker in my mom's house and it's going to be sick. Yeah, so it's like I was basically like if my mother and I have to quarantine and just like social distance everybody and only Dale's allowed over. Dale has to enter through this door.

And it's the back door. So the only person who's allowed in here is Dale and you know, and check out my my my puppy pit. But right now I got four kittens. Wait, how often does Dale come over? Well, he comes over like when he can, like when we're not doing school. When we're not doing, got it. You still do school?

Yeah, dude, school, school online sucks. It's all I mean, like legit for education. No one's actually learning anything. Everyone's just cheating on online school, not you, though. You should call you should refer to Dale as long as quarantine lasts. Just as Dalai, Dalai, what? Wait, wait, go back to the kittens. Let's see the kittens.

So you just you just found four kittens and say so I was cleaning up my dad's barn and I was running in and my dad hates cats. So I was like, I found the kid. I saw a kitten run under a wood pile. So then I went back and I was like, yo, dad, you got kittens in the front barn. He was like, kittens, I hate cats. Get them out of here. So OK, grabbed all the kittens and now I have a kitten pit.

Let's see. OK, how many are in there? They're all sleeping right now. When I feed them later, you do you want me to get one out? No, no, no, don't let them sleep. Seriously bad. This is seriously bad radio because they can't see any of this. No, that's OK. People will describe it.

So have you named the kittens? Yeah, one. Oh, yeah. Of course, Joe Exotic, Carol Baskins, Doc Ansel, and Jeff Lowe. That will that will be, you know, you know, cats live for like 15 years. Oh, no, I already adopted them out. I just got to prepare them. Yeah, I'm fostering them right now. I'm fostering. Yeah.

So I got I took them to the vet. They didn't have fleas and they're pretty healthy, but they might have age. We got to check in two weeks. What? She has feline aids and you think they have them? Well, we don't know. You can't test until they're eight weeks old. So don't let them have sex with each other and don't have sex with them

until you find out. That's fuck. OK, what else we got? Do you have a squat rack or anything? It seems like you're not even getting gains down there. Dude, I have my weight. I have a inversion table to keep the spinal spinal. Dude, get on the inversion table while you're doing this.

I do want me to do this upside down? Yeah, you have to do it upside down. You should sleep upside down. Let me position it. Let me position it. OK, when you got to talk loud, if you're going to be away from the computer. I do understand that I'm recording. Hi, Mrs. Football. How are you?

Well, I'm playing with my friends right now. My Berserker basement told you to come down here. Well, I was telling about my Berserker cast. Mom, I said at four o'clock, don't come down till I come up. OK, so so so are you getting gains down there? I think that's the most important question. I'm doing a body weight stuff. That's a no.

I'm trying to basically I'm flirting with my NCAA eligibility looking for a squat rack on Craigslist and stuff like that. So wait, are you saying that like if you if somebody gives you a squat rack that could be an impermissible impermissible benefit? I'm just saying if someone wants to send a squat rack to someone who may be getting a lot of packages right now and then it gets redirected to a random location, it would be the worst thing. Our boys smart.

So also, if there is any custom aquarium makers who want to do some glass work. Well, I bet you Dave also has that taken care of because he's gotten about a thousand animals. I'm sure I'm sure you can send them all to me. I can if like I could sell all the chicks to like a like a like a live like because, you know, like he's talking about chickens, by the way, for people who don't know what's going on. You should just surprise one of the days

unboxings and just show up and just start taking stuff up. All the animals like give me all the chickens. Yeah. All right. So Billy, last question. Are do you sleep in this basement? No, I'm not allowed to sleep in the basement. That's too bad. I had to come up. It would be sick.

But do you have a curfew that you have to come up by? Um, like basically, I just have to make sure, you know, everything's locked up. And I got to go about a reason. I like been going better early. There's nothing really. And sometimes I'm up late. What if you got like a sick beanbag down there or something? Could you sleep down there then?

We're getting a sicker couch. This is more of just a bench with like cloth on it. But my couch, my couch that's in storage. We're going to the storage place to pick it up from college and bring it back. It's going to be sick. So I'm thinking you either got to go beanbag or waterbed down there. Yeah. Ooh, waterbed. They make those anymore.

Yeah. So financing the people. So you you're basically set for the quarantine for nuclear holocaust for everything. Like a ton of non perishables down here. So I also I also have been stockpiling weapons. OK, good. Smart. I got another axe. I have a sledgehammer.

I got two axes, a sledgehammer, a BB gun, semi-automatic BB gun. So like I'm not shooting to kill. I'm shooting to like stopping power. Yep. Yep. That's cool. OK. And then do you do you think that if if like the world fell apart, do you think maybe there's not enough feminine touch in your basement for your mom to also live in there?

Like that would kind of suck for her. No, I mean, shoot, shoot, shoot. This there's too much feminine touch in the house. This is my spot. Got it. Billy's man cave. Yeah. This is my safe space. My poker zone. Billy, if all goes to shit in New York City,

can we enter your apocalypse bunker? Do we is there like a card that we have to have or a password to get in? So I have one of those slits. This is Dale. You knock on the door and say, hey, it's Dale. Let's wrestle. Yeah, I'm installing one of my mom. I got to get a power saw,

but I'm going to install one of those things that go like this. And it's just your eyes. Oh, nice. Nice. Nice. A glory hole. No, the slit. Right. Yeah. We can do it. We can do a little glory hole. Yeah, maybe there's a slit for your eyes.

And then if you can notice their eyes, then you then you open the slit for their crotch. What's the what's the toilet protocol down there? Um, so I'm trying to build. I have like a semi. I have to build a toilet sink that I put in. There's got to be a hole like a sewage hole. Yeah. Yeah. That's what we're kind of doing.

Yeah. Good job, Frank. It's the drainage. That's every it's I've been in that basement a hundred times. It's a sub pump. Yeah. Yeah, it's for the sub pump. So yeah, yeah.

Also doing a ton of DIY stuff. Like I'm assembling like a puppy pit and then I'm getting like your couch, like couch assembling. All of Jersey's. This thing was empty. And now it's just filled with all my cool stuff. Oh, Billy, you know what we got to do? We got to get you on Pinterest

and have all your DIY projects like uploaded there so that people can check it out. They're trying to decorate their apocalypse bunker. You know, I might build a huge frog tank. Yeah. The whole thing could be a frog tank. Just fill the whole basement with water. If you like tube city for frogs.

Oh, what do you have? If you have your old key to the office, you should really just go on an incognito mode mission and just store out for the basement. Hank, I do still have your credit card in my Amazon. I haven't done anything with it. I haven't done anything with it. So that's like trustry.

You can check it. I haven't word anything with it. That's good. But hypothetically, you need some stuff. Got it. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Well, Billy, this has been fantastic. This is my favorite deep dive to date. Can you just give me my top four dinosaurs or something?

Yeah, give me your top four dinosaurs. He rex is an absolute fraud. We got Gigantosaurus. That's like the alpha of all the dinosaurs. It's just basically T rex with functional arms, but like four times is big. OK. It's like a dragon compared to Wyvern. Yeah.

Wyverns are like the frost dragons, the sickest dragon. Check out this book, Dragonology by Dr. Ernest Drake. It was one of the most I have read as a child. It's all true and it gives all the dragons and all about them. It's totally sick. And then there was another version, Monsterology, which is another sick one. Anyway, they're true.

So yeah, so Gigantosaurus is sick. And then Velociraptors are absolute frauds from Utah. Raptors are what was like based off of the Raptors in Jurassic Park. Utah Raptors are like bigger. Velociraptors were like the size of a chicken. Like I could punt one. Yeah, like absolute. And they probably just like raided nests and eight eggs.

So like the total like data is what else? That's two. OK. So Allosaurus is my favorite dinosaur. That's three. Allosaurus sick as hell. Yeah. Allosaurus was like because they T-Rex wasn't really a pack hunter. Allosaurus were like like a giant like Tyrannosaur that was like like hunted in packs.

They took down like like there's like insane fossils they found of like. Right. Six Allosaurus is like the size of like little smaller than T-Rex is just taking down these huge diplodicuses. It's actually sick. The way I always thought it was like a Tyrannosaurus was way bigger than Allosaurus. But it was like a superstar that like was a diva and went out on its own. It's like in the Super Bowl where the Rams got introduced one by one. And then the Patriots all came out at the same time on defense.

That was the Allosaurus. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And then four. Four is a guanodon because he's the OG. OK. Nice. We're going to have Bubba make sure when you do the graphic for Mount Rushmore. Have it be Mount Rush, Mount Rushmore of of toppings and then a fourth column that just says Mount Rushmore of Billy's dinosaurs. Billy's favorite dinos. We'll just add that. You guys tell me your favorite dinosaurs. I'll have to do it next week.

I'll have to do some research. I like to try seratops. Yeah, let's do it next week. We'll do it. We'll tell you. T-Rex never met a stegosaurus. Yep. Yeah, we learned that last week. In fact, all right, Billy, thank you. Everyone tweet Billy what what we should do next week. He's in the berserker bunker, so he's got nothing but time.

You know, and yeah, really quick. Twitter at Billy hot takes berserker blood cult on Instagram. And I just started to tick tock and I'm not going to be a douchebag on it. I'm not taking my shirt off. I'm not dancing. It's just you're going to get any likes on Billy. You're not going to get any likes, buddy. We should really hot takes. Do we have a part of my tick tock? We do.

We should just make Billy just be a wiggle dicker as Dave calls. I'm not doing it. I'm not doing it. Yeah, you are. You're not paying. And you know what? OK, OK. We'll call. We'll call. We'll insinuate that he's another Paul brother. He gave me this.

No, that's what I don't want to be. All right, Billy, we're going to you're going to start doing wiggle dicks on on the part of my take tick tock. All right. Fight, Jake Paul. Yeah, you should fight Jake Paul. I did. He's actually fought before. Like, I know he's actually a sick.

He was a sick wrestler in Ohio, too. Yeah, you could take him. Yeah. All right, Billy, he's love you guys.