Pardon My Take - The Pacers Force Game 7, Boban Marjanović, Illinois Head Coach Bret Bielema, The Lakers Sold For 10 Billion + Fyre Fest Of The Week

Episode Date: June 20, 2025

The Pacers force a Game 7 after an ass kicking in Game 6. TJ McConnell and Obi Toppin beat the Thunder themselves in the second quarter and we get 1 more game of basketball (00:00:00-00:16:37). We talk about the Lakers selling for 10 billion, Stanley Cup celebrations, Connor McDavid maybe leaving Edmonton and some College Baseball (00:16:37-00:46:55). Boban Marjanovic joins the show to talk about his NBA Career, being the best teammate, his hand size going viral, riding horses and tons more (00:46:55-01:28:20). Illinois Head Coach Bret Bielema joins the show to talk some football, the run game, feeling confident in talking shit, his tattoo and tons more (01:28:20-01:58:57). We finish with Fyre Fest of the week and check in with Hank at Pebble Beach (01:58:57-02:21:13).You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/pardon-my-take

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the Oklahoma City Thunder on Thursday night in game six. This is the first game seven in the NBA finals we will have in the last nine years. Last one was the Warriors Cavs, the 3-1 comeback. It is also just the fifth NBA finals game seven we're going to have in the last 30 years. So we did it. A series that everyone thought was going to be boring, that thought was going to be a blowout. We are getting our first game seven in almost a decade and it's because the Indiana Pacers do not quit and this team is just flat out fun. Yeah, I thought that it was going to go seven. I had no idea how I thought that I thought that the Pacers were going to figure out some way to do it and they did it by just making the thunder defense look pedestrian and by making their office look like dog shit. Yeah. And I, I don't know, I don't

know if game seven is going to be competitive because we haven't, we've had a few competitive games, but it feels to me like this is, I don't want to be disappointed by game seven. I'm excited that we have a game seven Pacers were great tonight. It just felt tonight. Like there was no chance that we're going to lose from the pregame when Pascal Siakam levitated into a different plane when he was communing with with ancient spirits, whatever he was doing with his eyes rolled back to his head, looking like he was plugged into the matrix. It was, uh, it felt like it was game over from the opening tip. Yeah, it was, it was, uh, I mean, it was pretty much wire to wire. The thunder were Thunder were you know the first half or the

first quarter and then the Pacers started to pull away the second quarter the Pacers were incredible. The craziest thing this was the most Pacers game possible and I say that obviously Tyrese Halliburton has has been injured and he played tonight which was great to see but when I say it's the most Pacers game possible, it's a team. They are such a team where they were up 30 going into the fourth quarter. They won this game by 17 points, and it was obviously more than 17. There was a lot of scrubs in the final quarter. The leading scorer was Obie Toppin with 20 points. No one was over 20 points. That's a full team basketball. They had every guy contribute. TJ McConnell might be the best basketball player ever. I like w in terms of just the minutes he provides, it's crazy

watching him. They even said it on the broadcast because it's like, how are you at this point in this series? If you're the Oklahoma city thunder and TJ McConnell comes into the game, how do you not realize that he is going to steal the pass when you inbound the ball? If you do a lazy inbound pass after a bucket, TJ McConnell will be there. TJ McConnell's getting rebounds over a heart and Stein. He's on the floor. He's going to the basket. He's just instant energy and he and OB topping together. Like that was what happened in that second quarter was the two of them basically Like one that do this game in those moments and then it was just too much of a hill for the thunder to overcome I

Was hated when announcers say like this guy this guy wants it more or if a coach says you guys got to want it more You don't want enough because it's never really true because everybody wants to win, but it is true with TJ McConnell He does actually in fact want it more. Yeah, he wants it 110% as much as anybody and Dude, he's he's fun to watch and this Pacers team. It's like they are Hoosiers It's like we're watching Hoosiers in real life in the NBA I expect Dennis Hopper to come stumbling out to the court and puke everywhere It's it's it's so much fun to watch when they're clicking, you're a great basketball team.

When they get the ball moving that, that dunk that Siakam had, uh, where it was like, it was legitimately like two great assists on the same play. It was a hockey assist and then a great no look. Um, it, there was just no stopping him. So I did like Rick Carlisle's move to in the fourth quarter when I think the thunder cut it to like 24 points, Carlisle takes a time out and he's like pissed off. He's like, we're not letting this happen where because I've seen this happen. We've done it to other

teams before. We're only up 24 now. Lock the fuck. Yeah. And Rick Carlisle also another great move, which just doesn't really happen in sports. Tyrese Halliburton was obviously questionable for this game. He had an MRI. He's got a calf injury and like two hours before the game, Rick Carlisle, I was like, yeah, we tested him. He's playing. And the reporter was like, why would you give that away? He's like, dude, we're in game six. Like we're like, we're not going to win this game because we, we didn't tell him Tyrese Halliburton was playing until tip off. Like we got to go just play

and win this game. And by the way, the TJ McConnell stat that's crazy to the wanting it more because it is a cliche. It's stupid, but he does play with such an insane amount of energy that I think it just fucks up everyone on the court. He's six one in the first half. He was leading the Indiana Pacers in rebounds with five. He finished the game with 12 points, nine rebounds, six assists and four steals. Think about that. And that was 24 minutes of gameplay. It's just been, and they're just a team. Like the whole team, see, Ockham is still like, he's just steady Eddie. Like every night he's just awesome. And it's just an OB tie. Like I I I just love watching

the Pacers play basketball and I know that this game seven's gonna be a dogfight because you do always have like the team that needed it more and the Thunder thought they could kind of just like show up and the Pacers would quit but that's just these Pacers are not quitting they're they're not a quit team I'm calling it tonight. This is a legacy game. Game seven for Thunder and Thunder Princess. Yeah, this is what it's all about. You have to have the best chest paint that you can possibly get. I want to see. Here's my metric. The Larry O'Brien trophy has to be on Thunder's chest or on his belly. You have to have to have a trophy that has to

by the way are you sure you're going to want to do a legacy game for them because they're actually tonight was already a legacy game for the thunder no this is for thunder yeah i know i know it's for thunder but but but the thunder actually lost their legacy game so it's kind of actually over before the game skipail has said the Thunder need to win convincingly tonight for legacy for some of the historical respect it deserves and isn't getting. So what happens when you lose a legacy game in game six and then still have to play game seven? You're you don't have anything to play for. They got nothing. You'd almost you'd almost rather lose this game seven. Yeah, because if they if the Thunder win this game seven, then they're going to have to answer questions for the rest

of their lives about how they tarnished the legacy with this NBA championship. Yeah, I would agree. And listen, SJ was bad tonight. He was turning the ball over. He had eight turnovers. It felt like the Pacers they date the adjustment they made Was instead of outside TJ McConnell who is just playing?

Defense at all times on all parts of the court like they kind of lulled the thought they're like hey We're not gonna pressure you full court But the minute you get across half court like we're gonna be in every passing lane It felt like the Pacers energy on defense was the difference in this game where they were in, they were disrupting everything. They were basically, they thundered the thunder. They did what the thunder had been doing to other teams tonight to the thunder and the thunder, like they just, they were so, they were so bad offensively. And that even that third quarter where it's like we're watching it

and uh max had his free bet shout out draft kings and we're we're we're trying to get the the thunder back in the game and it was so clear like the thunder defense started to wake up the thunder couldn't hit an open shot they could not hit a shot they had moments where they were like i think the i think the first four minutes of the third quarter, it was like, oh, four 11 combined by both teams. They just could not climb back in. They like, that was the moment where the Pacers maybe weren't playing their best. And then they got their footing again and it was over. They had their lowest point total through three quarters of the entire season, the Thunder did. So they picked, they picked a bad time to have an all time stinker performance for that team. I do think that they're going

to win game seven. But I'm hoping for a great game. I want to see like a game seven that lives up to the words game seven. Yeah, because you said it game seven. Best two words in sports, I would disagree. I would say James Winston. But it's certainly up there. Uh, the words are great But we haven't seen a great game seven in an NBA finals in a long time. We deserve Nation. We haven't seen one in a long time. Listen, there hasn't been one in nine years Yeah, and that was actually a great game the last time that it did happen Yeah, but um, I want to see a great game seven and Listen, we credit to the NBA you've pushed off Mount Rushmore

season for as long as you possibly can yeah this is as late as it could go so I know Zach's chomping at the bit to get involved to get in the arena yeah yeah he is Max what were you gonna say I want to hear Max ranch real quick because he was very mad at the at the Thunder I mean the Pacers did everything they could to allow the Thunder to get back in that game to start the second half and they just had no plan. They came out in the second half with zero. They were already on the game seven at half time. It didn't feel that way. This entire NBA playoffs teams have been coming back down 20 in every round and

they just came out and were like complacent to go to game seven. The Pacers couldn't make a shot for the first five minutes of the second half and the Thunder did nothing. That's that's why I didn't even shoot the ball. Yeah. That's why I said Obie Toppin and TJ McConnell won this game because that was that second quarter. Yeah. It was just like all right. I guess we'll just go to game seven now. Like it's it's over. But yeah it was they had they had that chance. They were the Pacers weren't shooting well. All they had to do was knock down a couple of shots put a little game pressure on them maybe get it tight and no they just didn't. They were the Pacers weren't shooting well. All they had to do is knock down a couple of shots, put a little game pressure on them, maybe get it tight. And no, they just didn't. They were, you're right. I do think they were kind of on the game. So

Chet Holmgren, not the guy. I mean, they did not, not the guy, not, not a guy. Can I just say something about Chad? I just would like for him to stop falling down at all times. Like, and he doesn't actually fall down. He just looks like he's about to fall down. Like when he's going forward, dribbling, his body looks like it's about to fall down. Yeah, he's got the long limbs and they flail out and it's like Bugs Bunny with a cloud of dust underneath his feet.

You think he's gonna hit the deck. He's not the most coordinated individual, but I think he'll get there. Right now he's like a baby deer that's walking on ice for the first time. But then he makes plays like that. It was maybe two minutes into the game that post-movie had on Siakam that was just like,

holy shit. Like that's why you think he's gonna be great and he definitely could be great. But yeah, they're gonna need him. They're to need him. They're going to need him. They're going to need their J dub. They're going to SGA to be the MVP. That's the big thing. Cause like eight turnovers. Woof. Woof. Yeah. Yeah. If you're Chad, you've got, you've got like two choices with which direction you're going to go with your look. Either you're going to grow the hair out, grow the beard out, become like Bill Walton light, uh, or you're going to get, you're going to try to swag it up and get the nice tight fade. You're going to get the nice facial

hair dressed stylishly. And then if you choose that route, the second you do anything slightly unathletically, it looks way, way worse. Can I throw out a little conspiracy theory? Just throw it out there. Let's just throw one out there. Brian Winnhorst's conspiracy theory. Obviously, every sport now isn't a sport unless they have a Netflix documentary in season. The was announced in October, James Harden, Kevin Durant, Jalen Brown, SGA, Tyrese Halliburton. So this should be a pretty awesome, if they're still taping it, which I would assume they are. Do you think Netflix may be paid extra to have this be the finals matchup and a game seven. Just not gonna put it past anyone.

I'd say definitely. I would say without a doubt, I'd say the proof that you need is literally just a single tweet from Shams announcing the cast in October. Wait, they're recording it now? I would assume they're still recording. This is from October, like October to start the season.

Shams said, here is the five guys that Netflix is following for the entire season. And SGA and Tyrese are part of that. They could have stopped recording in the middle of the playoffs. Season one, they followed Jason Tatum around. And they followed him through the championship. Interesting.

So, oh, that's interesting. Who else is in season one? Yeah, who else is in season one? Right and they follow them through the championship interesting. So oh, that's interesting Yeah, who else is in season one memes Anthony Edwards sub bonus Jimmy Butler and I Care LeBron James LeBron James. Okay, whatever we All guys that made the playoffs interesting. Yeah, but Netflix is two for two for getting the finals guy actually. Oh, okay So yeah, I'm just saying just throwing it out there. There could be no other explanation for no It's not like Netflix would great young players that are highly probable to go far in the playoffs I actually would love to see like a Netflix documentary for like just middling and bad teams

Okay, we got we got Jordan.oole, we got Zion, we got Vucevic, like we're gonna watch these guys scratch and claw for lottery picks in the playing tournament. They already do a Zion documentary it's called C the, the, I'm excited for game seven. That's all I got to say. I'm just excited for game seven. Yeah. Yeah, very excited. I'm, I'm, I'm pumped.

I'm glad that we get more basketball in our lives. Yeah. Okay. Let's talk a little more sports and then we'll get to our interviews. We've got Bobon and Brett Bielma, two great, great interviews. Before we do that, game time. There's nothing like getting to a baseball game, especially last minute. Lucky for me, I always use game

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Download the Game Time app today. What time is it? Game time. All right, PFT, I have a couple other things. The first is I just love watching Stanley Cup final celebrations, the guys out at the Elbow Room, all hours. We had, well, actually, we should, Zach, what was your favorite? Because you are from the state of Florida. I would probably have to say that the Barkov video when he's strolling up to the ring camera with the trophy to show his neighbor late night, like imagine rolling out of bed and

getting that notification of it's just Barkov and the boys at the ring camera. Like, Hey, you want to check this out, man? I think it's an all time neighbor move. Yeah. PFT Zach almost cried when I told him to sit in your seat. He was like, I can't do that, sir. I cannot do that. That was a great Zach reveal. It was a great Zach reveal. I was like, Zach, don't say anything. And he was like, can we preload this question please? I was like, yeah, I'm going to ask you about what your favorite celebration is. He's like, okay. He's like, is PFT going to be mad at me? I was like, no,

it's going to be funny when halfway through the you know show We just reveal that you're sitting in his seat. He's blinked a billion times Like he's gone full. I swear to God a billion times He's only been blinking PFT. I respect you as a broadcaster So I just didn't want to be I didn't want to step on your toes, and I appreciate you Allow me to have well he actually hasn't yet. Oh, that's a great point. Yeah, you can receive Oh, that's great. Yeah Did you want to ask me if it's okay?

Was it alright that I sat here for a little bit? Absolutely, not Okay, you know you ever you ever you ever see you ever read about the Yankees Wally Pip That's what I'm going through right now. Oh, not at all. I take my job. No, sir. Not at all. Not at all.

You're a fantastic broadcaster. A lot of respect for your broadcasting abilities. I can get out of this seat so quickly. That's the first time anyone's ever called me a broadcaster. Great. Zach revealed. Did you like that? Did you like the Zach reveal?

It was good. I did. It took my breath away Zach you did a great job. I also you know, it's crazy. You're sitting in that chair My favorite celebration was Barkov showing up on the ring camera. Yeah, it's so good That's right. That's right. I had to go to him there cuz I was like wait fuck the plans gonna get foiled cuz Pft is definitely gonna bring up bar cob before Zach can plan is going to get foiled because he's definitely going to bring up barcob before Zach can. Yep. That was so sick. You know, also, Barkov's hand, Barkov's hand. He's got cut in half

at the beginning of the series. Zach, do we know who the guy's ring camera? Like who lives in that house? If I told you a name right now, it wouldn't be a trick. So I'm not sure who lives in the home. I should have had that for you. That's my fault But I can't find out that's why you're great progress. Yeah. Yeah, we had a lot of their Zach. Yeah, go ahead Do we know if it was like a friend of his or an acquaintance? I don't need to know the guy's name I just don't know like I in my mind it would rock if it was just like a random house that he showed up to Contest clues tells me like oh, he's got to have like a decent neighbor relationship with the guy.

Or if they're not really friendly, it's kind of like, Hey man, look at this. Like I just did this tonight. What did you do? Like I'm a Stanley Cup winner. Maybe. Oh yeah. Maybe I think if this guy was like a, um, if he had a Panthers flag that he flew outside his house and Barkov saw it every day But maybe he hadn't met the guy one-on-one yet

But knew he's a Panthers fan and then with a Stanley Cup he shows up rings his doorbell That's how they meet each other for the first time in my mind. That's how it went down Yeah, what a way to introduce yourself. Yeah, Max you have you have the guy's name Nope, Oh Memes you have the guy's name the guy who posted it was Roger Rojas. Who's that? Oh, the guy who posted it. He had the original video. Got it. Got it. So that that answers that. It's just his neighbor. Also, speaking of neighbors, do you see Brad Marshawn that people are like, all right, I got to take that people are probably going to be

mad at. Can you go back to PFT's face? Sorry, um, I Was looking at Roger Rojas. There was there was a story that Brad Marshawn I think like before game set six. He accidentally left his garage door open when he left Like the day before for practice or whatever and his his neighbor went over and was like, Hey, your garage door is open. I wanted to let you know. And then Marshawn gave him tickets to game six. I feel like that's just a fair trade. Like if I left my garage door open and my neighbor did, I would do something nice for him. Not that Brad Marshall is not a great guy. It's just like, that feels fair. Like that's a, when you leave your garage

door open, there's no worse feeling than leaving your garage door open for like an a day and coming back and be like, holy fuck What what just happened? Yeah all-time neighbor move I've got a neighbor named Blake that came over one time was like hey your garage door has been open for eight hours He gets tickets to the Colts. Yeah. Yeah, that's right. So yeah, I mean, Brad Marshawn is very nice move. Also, he looks like he's having the best time ever. There was that picture of him. Like, he had a cigar and three different drinks in his hands. It was like a beer, an energy drink and a coffee. He's he looks like the best.

Winning the Stanley Cup, it's gotta it's gotta be the best feeling in the entire world. And I heard that they dented the cup and, uh, and they're, they're actively repairing the cup now because that thing has been through hell. Like the Stanley Cup, if it could talk, uh, it's seen some shit. And so they, I think they cracked the bowl on it, maybe dented the side. And then the, the keeper of the cup was like, that's fine. We got a contingency plan. We'll repair this. We got a guy that takes care of it in like six hours. They're used to just like on the spot fixing that thing up.

The guys that like take it to their hometowns, I love that. If you win the Stanley Cup, you stay drunk for two months. And it's got to be the best feeling in the world. Yeah, it really does. Also, we had the one celebration that didn't go well for the Panthers. I don't know if you saw this, PFT. In the locker room, they did a selfie cam on a champagne bottle and it was just a highlight tape of them all facially

themselves. They didn't think that one was a little weird. This is why you got to hire a couple of shitheads to be involved with your media production team. Yeah. Because we could, if you had, if you pitched that to us, we'd have been like, Oh, you're going to do the, you're going to do the what he sees cam. team. Yeah. Because if you had pitched that to us, we'd have been like, oh, you're going to do the What He Sees Cam? Right. Right. Yeah, you just need some trolls. You need to hire a couple trolls who look at this content,

what's the worst case scenario here? And they'll find it in a second. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, wait, you want every guy on the team to open up their mouth as wide as they can and then pour foam into it. OK. Yeah, Should we just put the Brazzers logo on the GoPro or wait?

Um, uh, also speaking to the cup, shout out Seth Jones, uh, black Hawks, uh, for life, but he is the first Seth to ever be on the Stanley cup. Pretty cool. I don't know. That's a pretty cool thing. I always loved that one. Stanley Cup. They're like, this name's never been on the Stanley Cup. First Seth ever. Seth, you would think that there would have been some Seths. Yeah. You'd think there'd be at least one Seth. And then I saw- Congrats on the Seth.

I saw there's a stat that it's basically, the odds of you winning a championship in one of the four major sports is significantly higher if your name is Mike. Mike is the most common name on the state, like on all of the trophies, like in terms of winning them. So it's the third most common name on the Stanley Cup. And then there's a lot of obviously super bowls and basketball, so name your kid Mike. What's the most

common name on the Stanley Cup if you had to guess? I know it I have it in front of me. Do you want it? Okay I got I got a couple of guesses. Okay yeah I have one two and three three is Mike give me the other two. Okay I think that one of them do not have it. Wait them do not have it. Wait, I might not have it. Hold on. I might have the most common full name. That's just guys who want it the most. No, I think these probably make sense. Go ahead. Okay, we're not going to we're not going to fact check after this. No, Chris is not. I think these make sense.

Not okay. I think I have the stat right. Bob and Bill. Doesn't that make sense? Bob makes sense. make sense Bob makes sense Yeah, Bob makes sense wait Bob and Bill or Robert and William Bob and Bill I'll have to I'll have to read read recheck this But yeah, I'll have to I'll have to recheck it, but it's what you got it. Oh, he's got it. Look at that Yeah, no, right Bob and Bill Here's a list list of the eight most common names to appear on the Stanley Cup with the three most notable entries for each one,

Bob and Bill. So that's pretty cool. It's Bob, Bill, Mike, John, Dave, Ken, Doug, Joe. Those are the eight. Those are the most, yeah, those are the most generic names ever. I love it, it's perfect. And I feel like Bob is a very, like, Canadian generic name too. You know, because it couldn't

be. It is. Yeah. It couldn't be an American. Like I don't think Orion would work on on the Stanley Cup. I was talking to a friend, new employee T Bob a bear and T Bob said that he's got an uncle whose name is Billy Bob, which is a great Louisiana name. But Billy Bob, which is a great Louisiana name But Billy Bob's name is not William Robert. It's not even William Bob. His name is actually just Billy Bob That's like his actual like that's just like his his birth certificate is Billy Bob His birth certificate is Billy Bob. Yeah, it's great. That is awesome and very Louisiana. Very, very Louisiana. Um, all right. Uh, other stories. The Lakers sold for $10 billion, but not actually. Yeah.

So well, what do you mean? Not actually valuation was 10 billion. The guy who bought the Lakers, uh, who kind of a sick fact, he, he lives in Chicago. He lives like a mile away from me in this office. I don't know why he's not buying the bowls and the white socks, but whatever. That's neither here nor there. I mean, not actually in the fact that he already owned a percentage of the team and he didn't buy a hundred percent. So he didn't actually, it wasn't $10 billion. Here's $10 billion. It was somewhere around four because he bought the majority of the team at a valuation of $10 billion. So when I was reading about this,

so he bought the majority stakeholder ownership from the bus family and we need buses still going to be the governor of the team. Is that true? That feels like a Mark Cuban situation where they have a deal. Yeah. And the minute like one season goes by and the guy's like, wait a second, I paid $4 billion and I don't get to make the decisions. Uh, that's not going to keep going. So I would say GenieBus is probably like imagine if they did something like trade Luca. Yeah, right. Right. Right. Now you put your fingers up. Another another wind horse question. Okay. Isn't it interesting that the Lakers got a screaming good deal on what's going to be the face of their franchise for the next 10, 15 years right before they

sold isn't that interesting isn't that interesting like how much how much do you obviously the Lakers historic franchise the brand valuation is going to be high no matter what how much do you think Luca actually increased the brand valuation for this sale? Would you say he's worth like $500 million worth of equity? I don't know. It is definitely worth something, obviously. But obviously you're also the security of knowing that you have a superstar for the next 10 years. Yeah. And it's interesting because what you're saying starting to add up, you can put your fingers down now. Zach still had his fingers. He was holding them under the table. It's interesting you say that because it happened,

so there's been a lot of talk about NBA TV ratings. There's been a lot of talk about these finals ratings. There's been a lot of talk about where the league is going. There's been a lot of people bullying Adam Silver online. And then I would say the highest price franchise in the NBA, the team that you think of, it's the Lakers, sells for $10 billion and now the NBA can be like, hey, our assets are so crazy. Look at how healthy this league is because we're selling for $10 billion. That's more than a lot of NFL franchises. Yeah, that's interesting. Well, I mean, not actually every, because if the Cowboys were to be for sale tomorrow, they would sell for significantly more.

Right. But I'm saying up until now, everything that's actually been sold. Yes. The Lakers just set the market for highest priced sports team in America. Correct. Yeah, it is. It's very interesting. Also, big cat, you know, it's interesting is if you look back over the last, what, three years, Mark Cuban sold the Dallas Mavericks. The Celtics got sold to the Symphony guy, Billy Strings. The Lakers just got sold. Is that is that a good sign for every other owner?

If all the like preeminent owners are selling their teams right now? Like if you went outside right now and every dog in your neighborhood was sprinting full speed down the street, like towards towards, towards the West. Would you be like, Oh, this is good. Yeah. I'm another owner. I'm looking at all these historic franchises, probably the three groups that would have like the closest relationship with Adam Silver and the powers of B they're all cashing out right now. Wait, I would look at my place and be like, are we in the bubble? All right. So Dallas and Celtics, I'd agree with you. Lakers, I would say this is going

to maybe be a trend where you have Jerry bus buys the Lakers, whatever it was 40 years ago for $67 million. And from all accounts, the Bus family, they don't have anything else. They don't have any other businesses. It's a mom and pop shop in that respect where it's like, this is the family business. So when you can buy something for $67 million and then sell it for $10 billion, especially when you don't have just like, you're not liquid and it's the next generation, that one makes sense. But you're right on the Celtics in the maths. I'd be like, oh, that's weird. Maybe this new guy that buys the Lakers, maybe he takes like two, three years, changes a bunch of stuff.

Everybody gets mad at him and then he sells it back to Jeannie bus for $1. That would be sick. Maybe some gambling commissions get involved, yeah. He also owns the Dodgers and he's been doing a pretty good job with them. Mark Walter, so, and Chelsea. And I still don't understand why he's not buying any, why didn't he just offer a Godfather offer to Jerry Rynsdorf?

He lives in Chicago, I don't get it. So he lives in Chicago but owns the Dodgers. He owns the Dodgers Lakers. I assume he has a house in LA. He probably has. Maybe a condo. He's probably got, yeah, like maybe just like a... Maybe he's got like a timeshare in LA. He might crash in Rosilla's basement. Yeah. I'm sure there's a good explanation that would take two seconds that I didn't just look

up, but I just know that this guy, because he built a house that I used to live maybe four blocks away from the street, and he bought five lots in 2012 and built this insanely large house in Chicago. He should have just bought the place. Yeah, that would be nice. That would be great. It'd be great for the city. But since he does own I mean he's got a pretty good track record with the with the Dodgers So I'm sure I'm sure the Lakers will be fine But end of an era. Yeah end of an era the bus family. Although she is still the governor Okay, speaking of Dodgers. Did you see PFT? I have two baseball things for you. One, we were robbed of- I have one baseball.

Okay, we were robbed of an immaculate inning. I don't know if you saw this, but that was bullshit. The Dodgers, Yamamoto almost had an immaculate inning, which is three strikeouts, no balls to start the inning, or to finish the inning. So it would be pitching a nine inning pitch or nine pitch inning. And he got absolutely hosed on the last strike, which was very much a strike, but called the ball. That was bullshit. And then I just wanted to say, I feel really bad

for Arkansas Razorback baseball fans. I watched that game on Wednesday night. They are the most cursed team. This happens to them every time they go to Omaha, but they had LSU beat and their incredible shortstop, who's one of their best players, just decided with a guy on first and second and one out to throw to third to get the force out at third instead of turning a double play that would have been a double play ending the game. Then the next batter hit it to left field and the left fielder misjudged it, the ball ate him up and that was that. It was almost an impossible way to choke a game away

and the Razorbacks found a way to do it. It sucked, I felt bad for the left fielder. I don't know, did it hit him like in the chest and the shoulder and it bounced away? Did he lose his balance? I don't know, but it's a very, very tough sport to lose in that fashion. There's nowhere to hide in left field. You have to keep playing in the game and you have to just stand there and just think about it while everybody's

staring at you. I felt bad for that kid. But I felt bad for him and I know you can't throw your teammates into the bus. You just be like like dude. What was my shortstop doing? Max, did you see this? Did you see him not turn the double play? Yeah, I did not see this. Okay. I thought maybe you had go look it up it's it's an insane thing that they could have won this game and Like I know the left fielder fucked up, but he should never been in that situation. It should have been game over It does feel like LSU team of destiny though. Yeah, it does. Um, all right. What was your baseball thing? My baseball thing was more of like a national sports podcast

thing slash baseball thing. You got to buy all the James Woodstock that you can get right now. Yeah. Buy it. Buy it. He's, he's amazing. 22 years old. I think he's got 20 dingers right now. Um, 50 some RBI is hit a walk off home run today. Hit two home runs today. Uh, it was against the Colorado Rockies. So asterisks on that. Uh, but the nuts weren't a bad losing streak, but James would, I think, I think we're going to have a James would face a baseball conversation in the next two years. You think it's going to be our lefties? You think it's going to be our lefties going up against each other? Because PCA, I think he was the fourth fastest to get 20-20-20.

He had his 20th home run, 20 stolen bases today. So yeah, we're going to have a lefty off. The league's in good left hands right now. It's very good. That's exciting. Very good. Yeah, but I know that the Nationals are not necessarily the sexiest team right now. It's very good. That's exciting. Very good. Yeah. But I know that the Nationals not necessarily the sexiest team right now. They're better than people thought that they

would be if you take out this losing streak recently, but they're a fun team and they're young. And so I think within the next two, three seasons, they're going to be contending for something. But James Wood in particular, I love watching this guy play baseball. Absolutely love it. Yeah. That walk off today was awesome. It was awesome. Did you see it? Did you see it, Max? Yeah, that's a guy who going into that play was like, no matter what, I have to get the lead runner at third without having like any feel for the moment and like being you got that. That's the, that's the most tailor made double play ever. It was literally hit to him to turn a double play and then nothing else happened.

But it's like it's exactly that situation is like, I'm going to third no matter what. When this ball hits a man, you just can't think that way. Yeah, yeah. It was crazy. It's like right before the pitch, he heard somebody yell like, hey, force any base, lead runner runner. Yeah. Yeah. Brutal, brutal for Arkansas. And then finally, we just had, I don't know what was in the water on Wednesday,

but Shador Sanders and Zach Eadie, both getting pulled over for going 101 miles an hour was just a funny, I don't know how that happened, but it was just funny to see it back to back. Yeah, yeah. So Shador Sanders, apparently he's been cited for speeding twice now, in the last month since he's been been up in Cleveland. So we've got a lot of people asking a lot of questions about what this means about his maturity. I don't really care. Like, you shouldn't drive 100 miles an hour. I'm not going to make a decision on whether or not he's a good quarterback based on the fact that he sped twice in the last month. I will say coaches always tell you if you're going to make a mistake, make it go 100 miles per hour. That's facts. Can I say I don't I don't care because he's not the starter.

Yeah. Does that Joe Flacco. Let's yeah. Let's be honest. Joe Flacco, his car doesn't go a hundred miles per hour. Yeah. His car tops out probably at like 72. Uh, it's a mini van. Uh, so we're not going to run into any of these issues with Joe Flacco at quarterback, but yeah, I would imagine that you were probably drives a car that sticks out a little bit, just taking a guess that he might enjoy a nice, nice vehicle. Uh, you gotta be smarter than that. Gotta be smarter than that, Deion. Do you agree with my take though, that like, I don't care about speed. I don't need to hear about speeding tickets if you're the third string quarterback

or fourth string quarterback. It just isn't relevant to me. So I'm more okay with a third string quarterback speeding than I would be with a second quarterback speeding. If you're the second stringer and you're speeding, that's red flag. If you're the starter, don't really care either. Third string, don't really care either.

But if you're the backup, that's a guy that's gotta be going like 60 miles an hour. Yeah, he's gotta be the safe guy for sure. Hands a 10 too. Absolutely. All right, we got anything else Zach? Did we miss anything miss anything any other celebrations the Panthers are having the best time ever Oh the Connor McDavid thing did you see the quote? So we I we taped the fire fest earlier in the day

And I did mention a quote about his it was an old quote about what he liked about Edmonton He also had media today, and he basically like, we've been doing the same thing with the same guys and I got to talk to my agent. It feels, I don't know what's, he's got one year left in his contract. We're going to have Whitney on next week in person when we go to the Ryder Cup, see what's going on. But yeah, that didn't feel like a great, and Conor McDavid is kind of like a grump in all of his press conferences, so I'll at least put that context in there that it's not like he's the most gregarious guy and then all of a sudden he was very down

today. But the wording of how he phrased everything and talking to his agent and being like, we've kind of been together and done this and not gotten through, and also Skinner asked for a trade. Doesn't feel good. No Skinner. Oh no. Oh, McDavid McDavid asking saying he wants to talk to his agent. You don't you don't want to hear that after season's over no matter what. That's that is not for him to say that to the media too. Like that's that's a man who is frustrated, probably frustrated in the moment. So I'm going to I'm willing to give him like, two weeks to issue a new statement that doesn't involve him talking to his agent. But it's not good that he says that that's the guy that he wants to talk to you right now. that's the guy that he wants to talk to you right now. Yeah. I want him to stay in Edmonton. I want, I don't want him to, to leave and go to an American team and then win a bunch of Stanley cups there with Edmonton not getting a single taste of it. I think you got to go down with the ship. If you're, if you're Connor, I think that there's no chance. Like if you want to talk about legacy, if you go somewhere else and you win a cup for them because you were unhappy in Edmonton, people in Canada are going to hate you.

It's going to be very personal for them. Although, I don't know. I guess when we talk to Whitney, is there a part of it like, hey, he's done everything he can for the Oilers and they just aren't able to put the full team around them? I don't know. I don't know how the vibe is because you know how that can happen When it teams that special what would you love something? Yeah, it free. Yeah and look for it I'm not saying they're they want to set it free, but Connor McDavid is such a special talent

I'm wondering if there's maybe parts of the Euler fan base. They do not want to see him leave obviously Put that as a blanket statement. They do not want to see him leave. Obviously put that as a blanket statement. They do not want to see him leave. They want to see him sign a long-term deal. If he did leave, I bet you there'd be some more others fans would be like, we don't blame you. You know? Yeah. Well, what they would do, they would turn their anger onto the team, onto the front office. Right. Right. And wait now big cat, I think we might want him to leave though Yes, oh absolutely Yeah, we want to leave and then we'll root for him. We'll root for him to win a million cups and It's Whitney's fault that he left. Yes. Yes, and then and then we'll be like we always said this guy

Just need to get Edmond he's the best ever and it will drive Whitney insane Yeah Like that. I like that a lot Edmonton is the best ever and it will drive Whitney insane. Yeah. I like that. I like that a lot. What if you went to Chicago? Listen, I mean, that would be sick. That'd be so sick. We became best friends with them.

Yeah. Yeah. We became best friends with them, Zach. They appreciate it. Yeah. Well said. Would be pretty sick. Yeah. I mean listen If they if they are going to move on from they got to do it now because they can get a lot for him

Right now. He's got one year left. Like you can't you can't let him be a free agent No That'd be very very well. No, you can't. You could. You mean you could? You could roll the dice. You can't. You can't let him be a free agent. It would be so dysfunctional if the oilers were blaming him for any of this and they're

like, we're not going to sign you to a free agent contract. We're not going to sign you to a contract extension. We're going to let you play this out and see if we can win one. That would be insanely disrespectful. Almost like saying that you might be the reason why we haven't done it yet. But that said, I am willing to back up the Brinks truck. I will buy a Brinks truck and I will deliver it to Connor McDavid's house if he goes to the Blackhawks.

That would be so sick if he just became best friends with us and Whitney was like, oh man, just rubbing it in his face. That would be so sick if he just became best friends with us and Whitney was like, oh man, just rubbing it in his face. That would be so sick. Listen, Connor, we would treat you so good in Chicago. I don't know what's been telling you. He's probably kind of creepy coming on a little strong. We would treat you so good. We'd get you wings anytime you want, ice cream machine. It'd be so sick dude.

Free pass to the office to hit the simulator. God damn. You'd have a great time. I would hire the ice cream truck to just park in your driveway and then have it staffed with a guy that will just give you whatever ice cream bar you want at 24 seven. Pardon my take becomes best friends with Connor. Zach You're probably going to be that ice cream guy that lives in that truck. Yeah he is. I can do that for you. Okay. All right. Let's get to our interviews. We got two great ones. Bobon and Brett Bielma and then we'll finish up with FireFest. And if you're wondering hey we haven't heard Hank's voice we do give him a call. I think people thought we were pranking PFT that we like didn't actually

buy him a trip to Pebble Beach No, no, he's at Pebble Beach. So we do give him a call He was a beautiful brunch before playing 18 holes today. So you'll hear him during FireFest Yeah, also shout out pug getting married this week. Oh, yeah, shout out pug get married. Let's go Let's go pug everyone Everyone do some pugs in the chat. Okay before we get to Bobon Pug, get married. Way to go, Pug. Way to go. Yeah, let's go Pug. Love it, Pug. Everyone do some Pugs in the chat. Okay, before we get to Bobon, incredible interview by the way, we are brought to you by our friends

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tallest guest we've ever had. It is Boban. I'm going to pronounce your last name and you're going to tell me that I screwed it up. You ready for it? Marjanovic. Marjanovic. You're right. All right. I was very nervous about that. Now that we got that. So Bobon is here. Bobon, thank you so much for joining us. You are in happy Gilmore to not your first acting. Let's, let's start with that. And then we got a bunch of other questions, but how was it being in happy Gilmore to are you excited for the movie to come out? You might be, you might be like the next Hollywood star. I'm going to say it right now. Yeah. You, you never, you never know. That's my look. That's what I want to do. You know, like the next Hollywood star. I'm gonna say it right now. You never know, that's my look. That's what I want to do.

You know, like I'm super excited for the Happy Gilmore 2. I have great experience on set. Everybody be so professional, so great. It's a lot of people, a lot of people there, a lot of famous people, and I think it'd be a great movie. And you saw guys that picture how you guys like that my hair and that my Mustache they look really good. By the way. Yeah, I love it. Maybe maybe in a future I'll wear but you know the the the movie will be awesome. I believe in that

Yeah, did you get a chance to hang out with Adam Sandler when you were on the set because I know I know he likes to Play hoops. Yeah, He loved to play basketball. You know, when he was filming the hustle, like we was like, he was like playing, uh, playing like pickup and he was, it was the lot of famous like basketball players. Of course you guys already know about the movie and he was like a lot of guys playing up and down. We hear like basically we almost have all stars, all star superstar, superstar, NBA, pick-up, and Adam on that game.

It was really fun. What's his game like? I've heard he's a good passer. He's really smart. He's really good. He's a really good passer. Like, great passer. Not like good.

He's a great passer. Like, you know, no look, behind the back. You know, like try to be fancy, but he makes it. You know, like I don't know how he be fancy, but he makes it, you know, like, I don't know how he do it, but he's really professional and basketball is his passion. And he really loved it. And really he enjoyed it. Yeah. So yeah, you're branching out with your acting career. I loved you and John Wick. You got killed by a book in John Wick. Did that, did that hurt?

Yeah, a little bit. No, they hurt. You know, they know what is hurt they hurt like like after the after the shooting because we were shooting from the I think 5 p.m. To 8 a.m In the morning because it's a New York library and we couldn't like it couldn't stop basically We didn't have we didn't hear like lunch break because lunch break or eat break or dinner Whatever because it's over the night But we didn't have we didn't have to break to eat because we need to finish the super fast. He was like a lot of fighting and with Keanu was like really good. And that book, like because I hold that book for maybe like four hours because like it is scratch like hitting me here, here, you know, like I tried to buy the book and like my draw, it really was painful after that.

I couldn't like eat or chew or whatever, like almost like brushing my teeth. It was like, oh, it's so painful. How many shots did that take for you to get killed by the book? You know, easy. You know, like John Wick, don't mess around with Boogeyman and I'm done. I'm out. I give my special shot, but it didn't work well. Yeah. Uh, all right. So, so you, you played in the, in, in China this past year or last

two years, how, how is, how, how was that? How was it, was it like wildly different than the NBA? Cause you had a great NBA career, nine years in the league. Uh, but how is it in China and maybe are you trying to get back in the NBA? You know, I'm missing one, I'm missing one more. I'm missing one more year in NBA. This, this is what they need. Like I need some, I need some like good words for somebody, somebody from the teams. Listen to me. I want to come back. Okay. Let's get you back. You're 10. Yeah, we got to get you back. I need, I need a tent because like I was a, how do you say last, it's more like last half season

and this is because it's my first year outside of NBA I play in Fenerbahce and we have three months deal three months deal after that expired because we believe we will come back we will come back in NBA and try to make try to make like again that 10 year Of course, it didn't work in that direction. I got a great offer from China. This is it. When I was there, we won the championship. We won CBA. It's like Chinese Basketball Association. By the way, the Fenerbahçe, the Fenerbahçe where I played, it's a Turkey team in Istanbul. It's you really game basically it's not NBA is the first time you really in second one and The best league the best league in the world and they won they won Euroleague this year that's me. I'm I'm past season won like two big trophies

Yeah, so you you are a champion whatever NBA team wants to win next year sign Bobon Yeah, if you want to win you must sign Bobon in the team. Yeah I agree on Boban. I love you. I've loved watch watching your career unfold You seem like a great guy, but off the court I think my favorite thing that really made me really really appreciate you is what a big fan of soup you are You might be the one of the one of the top soup guys in the world What are your favorite? What are your favorite? Can you tell me about some soups? I might not know about cuz I love soup look maybe maybe if I mind which is little bit better I'll explain more soups, but this I will keep simple tomato mushroom

Butternut squash chicken noodle soup. You know, but it's the point of the soup when we growing up here in Serbia, first you need to eat soup. This is like the main dish. If you don't eat soup, you're not allowed to eat something else. Because it's not basically not allowed, but it's more like tradition. Everybody come to the table and everybody like eating same time. Soup is really important. And you know, basically like you want to eat soup

because you second meal, you don't eat too much. Try to like, try to keep, and they fool you up a little bit. It's not like they fill you with the fluid, feed the float, I think I say, right? And you cannot eat like a lot, a lot, a lot. you with the with the flute for the float I think I say right and and you cannot eat like a lot a lot a lot so what are what's a good Serbian soup that I might not have heard of before no it's not it's not Serbian it's more like

or worldwide I like mushroom soup I like tomato soup I like button a squash soup of course chicken noodle soup yeah and we have we have soup in Serbia like they call beef soup and it's like it's a name like beef soup, but it's really like tastes so good. They go vegetables, beef of course, and it's like the best soup I ever tried in my life. And if you come to Serbia, you guys be my guest, but because you guys in Chicago,

when I come in Chicago, they have a lot of Serbian place there and I can bring you some good and fancy restaurant with the great food. I would love that. thing I like to I like to eat soup after my meal. Have you ever done that? It fills in the cracks like for dessert. I didn't done that but you know I want to try and to see how it's how it works. It's great. Do you when you eat soup do you have a bigger spoon because I'm sure you're aware of it but there's an entire Reddit community that's just Bobons holding things.

And it's you holding different things, you know, like a deck of UNO cards, Luca's head. And they're all great. They're all great pictures of you holding things. So do you get a bigger spoon or you just go with the regular spoon? You know, I get what they have. You know, sometimes, sometimes really they give me like bigger spoon. Like I was in China and they have Cheesecake Factory and like they get like big big big soup and they give me like oh it's big spoon it's really basically the

spoon it's really big and that's sometimes like a carrot but you know it's really don't ask for that because like I just try to I just try to adjust on everything what is like normal size. Yeah. Yeah, this is it like you know I'm I'm not like spoiled too much for me. It's okay. Just to be food on the table and let's go roll with it. And I want to be taste to be honest.

I need to be tasted. Were you aware of the community that just has pictures of you holding things? Did you know that exists? Yes, I hear about that. I saw a couple of pictures and it was, it was, it was so funny. I saw how holding the ball uno cards you say you say look ahead but it's really I saw that too and with like couple like the hands and I know like people like a lot of people like want to shake my hands it's it's

it's so become like right now like unique they want they basically they holding the arms whatever I just I just basically like come from the restroom and wash my hands to it. And everybody was like, hey, how are you? And I just shake my hands, I was like, ah. But it's okay, you know, like it's part of the process. I know like, you know, like for me it's normal for somebody else, like, you know, I want to basically like maybe I want to feel your hands to see like how they fit

in my, like what is want to feel your hands to see like how they fit in my like what is the size of your hand. Yeah. So a question, this might be a weird question, but when, when was the first time you were like, Oh, I'm tall because it is something that I'm sure little kids, like they don't realize their self, you know, their self-awareness is low when they're really small and then they get a little older and they understand their surroundings. Was there a moment in your head where like, oh shit, I am really tall? Yes, yes. It was a lot of things. You know, like before, how do you say, I grew up in

a small place and 3,000 people live there and everybody know each other. They know me when I was like, when I was really like small, small, when he was like, he was like really small to like growing up and I was always tall. me that was like normal I didn't I didn't I didn't know that like how you say I didn't didn't recognize that but till like till one time my friend we have we have a class to write something about the friend and to we can make to we can show who is that person is and one of my my friends, right, like he's super guy, great friend, whatever, he's tall and he have big nose. I was like, oh, at that time I was like, I didn't know I have big nose. This is like one of the part, like, no, he's tall and

he have big nose. And after that I figured out like getting like really like like oversized and other people and this is it. Yeah, yeah. That was like oh I'm tall. What did you want to be? I'm tall and I have a big nose. I'm tall and I have a big nose. This is like I find out two things in one class. What did you want to be when you grew up as a kid?

When I grew up I want to be like to be wanted to be honest. I didn't have that idea. I think about that every single time, what I can be and what I really want to be. It's like always you want to be something like you're dead. I always want to be like driver or somebody to help the people. Something with the help community, it's not like big time job. I want to be like CEO of some company. I want to be, I want to be like the guy who, who owns the big, uh, the big crypto or whatever, like, like stocks or whatever, something, you name it, like something like big factories where they make like apples, uh, apple for apples, farms, whatever, like whatever you say,

but it was like more simple jobs. Yeah. And so your, your career in basketball, you, you played in Serbia for a long time before you got to the NBA. Was there like, obviously your dream was to be in the NBA. Was there a moment where you're like, maybe this isn't going to happen. And how did, how did it all kind of come together where it's like, all right, cause you know, you weren't, it wasn't like you were drafted when you were 17 years old. You played for a while and then you got, uh, you know, got a contract in the NBA. So how did that all work out? Was it like, Oh man, this is finally, all my dreams are finally coming true here.

You know, you know, like there was like, you know, always, always hard, hard work, uh, payoff, you know, because like I was because like I was gifted to be tall, but and to have nice touch, but everything else need to be work. Like work on my body, be prepared for everything what is come because like that's why, okay, he's strong, he's this, but you know, like I work on it.

I work on it basically, thanks God I didn't have, I didn't have serious injury all my career. That mean like, you know, like I basically like stay more in weight room, stay more on the court, do all my skills, do everything what I do. That's why before, back in the day, I believed that everything comes from the sky. You know, like, okay, I'm gifted, I'm tall, I'm supposed to have the job. I signed for the Euroleague team, they fired me, I couldn't find a team.

I went to one team here, Loco, that time they played only Serbian league, come back, and basically I played for 500 euros a month, basically like $600 a month. And that time I have the baby and my wife, we live in one apartment. That was the struggling. And I was like 23, 23, 24. That was really struggling. That time I figured out, okay, you need to do something with your life.

You need to be like, no, mister nice guy. When I say nice guy, nice guy, like outside of the court, on the court, you need to show who you are. nice guy like outside of the court on the court You need to be you need to show who you are You cannot like just be super nice on the court everybody go over you whatever whatever they happen that time I figure out I figure out I need to I need to step up and be and be the best the best I am the person who helped me a lot It's a it's a coach assistant coach from Golden State who passed away recently. You know like Dejan Millevich and he passed away. He has the big role in my life and to put me on the real

track and to start to play better. I was in Restar. Me and Marcus Williams, we make them to play Euroleague, Euroleague, how I say, NBA, and Euroleague is second best basketball league in the world. We make them to be there right now. This is the play all these years. We won three trophies because here you play cup, you play tournament, you play tournament like Serbia, and you play like basically like Balkan, Adriatic, Adriatic, you play three leagues. We won all three, and from that time, from that time this is like, this is like their,

how this is basically we leave them path to be successful today, but you know, that time after because I was name of MVP, MVP, of Euroleague, MVP, like the best five, the best thing, I was never drafted, and that time I because I was name of MVP MVP of Euroleague MVP like the best five the best thing I was never drafted and that time I come to NBA that's that was my pet you know like sometimes you need to fell down to you can to you can you can step up and and chase your dreams that's awesome it's interesting that you said that sometimes you're too nice on the court because I think one of the one of the funniest moments of your career maybe maybe one of the best moments of your career from the people's perspective was last season when you were on the Rockets and you

gave the crowd chicken at the foul line. So if you miss two foul shots, everybody gets chicken, right? And I don't know if you missed the first one on purpose, but you did miss it. First I missed it. First I missed it. I don't want to lie. I'm going to be that guy. You know I missed the first, I missed the first purpose, you know, big this, but first I missed it. First I missed it. I don't want to lie. I want to be that guy. You know I missed the first, I missed the first purpose, you know, big this, big that. First I missed it. Yeah, you missed the first one and then you told the crowd, you said chicken on me. I got you guys.

And then did you miss the second one on purpose? Yes, I missed the second one on purpose. But the point of that, the point of that, I know I play for the Clippers and I know that's how they happen. And they have that same in Washington DC and a couple More places but I have the gym about that and I have gym about that Like to I really to to really happen that something like that, you know Like why if the game if the game is over why nobody like, you know Just miss two free throws saying give give the people what they want Like, you know, of course some like free food and everybody be happy, you know, like they are like, I hope so, like we won the game,

you miss free throws because every time happened when the opponent team, like visiting team, miss the free throws, not for home court guys. And we was, I have dream about that, that's happened, that was the person, me, I'm missing the free throws and everybody get everybody get the sandwiches or food or snack or drink whatever and It was in DC and game was done. We was leading. We was leading maybe like 20 points And I was like why this guy don't just miss free throw like he was my teammate Just don't he miss free throws like like give everybody food and everybody be happy and he'll be here and I have I have that opportunity. Last game of the season, we basically finish.

They make playoff, they prepare for playoffs, Clippers, Vivos in Los Angeles. The first one, I think I scored maybe like eight or ten points in a row. And I was like on free throw line, like shooting and I missed it, I missed straight. At one moment I looked it up from the backboard, like everybody standing up, like everybody standing up, everybody becomes so crazy, I was like, ah. I was like, that's a time to shy, to shy. And I was like, missed it, but in the point of my head because everything

need to be fast I can't I can't air ball from the free throw like that I never did it and I never want to do it like how I'll miss you know like because like sometimes you practice you don't practice misses you practice makes you know like to hit front rim maybe I'll throw it a bit stronger to hit like left right stronger whatever from the backboard I know it's still account like a miss I miss on my left side this This is like perfect chicken on me. And he was like, he was like, great. He was, it was just, it was not like the plan previously plan, but it's happened and it's, it's amazing. I miss a second free throw purpose and people have people hear what they want.

Yeah. You get the people chicken. I think people appreciate that about you. You were, you were thinking about them, thinking about the fans And maybe that maybe that's why we need to maybe year 10 didn't happen because you cost too much money The big corporations are like bo bands cost us millions of dollars in chicken. We can't bring them back Oh, no, but no, but look at this what's happening? What's happening? I get I get the big cow the big cow like chiefly and I get I get like card and we do like Thank you very much for everything, whatever. Like it was amazing experience from Chick-fil-A and I get for one year free meal, like, you know,

one year free. I never use it, but you know, like I get the coupons for all year free chicken. You got like the black card in your pocket. Anytime you go to Chick-fil-A, you can just get to the front of the line, get a free chicken sandwich. That's pretty good. Yeah, I never I never done it I never done it, but you know is there I? Got a question the internet always gives us weird facts

But I read a story that when you were younger and started playing basketball You could dunk but you didn't dunk because you wanted to work on your dribbling Is that true like that must have been the hardest thing ever to not be able to dunk like you could you can dunk but you wouldn't do it No, it was not it was not like that. It was more like he was more to think like you could First I like I didn't I didn't think I can thank because like I remember I remember the day when my coach and I was young I missed layup and he was like Why you don't dunk that? Take the ball and dunk. I was like no, but I was like I can't dunk, you know, like no

No, you can't try and I dunk it He was like now go with left hand like back with left hand and I started to go with two hands How I go through two hands I I like hold the rim. I was like wow, this is so amazing You know like and there from that time I start to dunk everything I was like, wow, this is so amazing. And from that time, I started dunking everything. Like, back in the day, I really started dunking everything. Everything, like, every ball I grab, where? I go to dunk. Because it was super, super experience.

Before, I'm missing the layups, do that. And the second part, because I think you guys hear about it, it's about I was not allowed to make a dribbling ever, to learn how to, uh, to learn how to like basically dunk or, or, or shut the ball. Like basically every time that I make a dribbling low post, that's it's, it's a lose the ball. That's how we practice on practice.

That's why I like sometimes I go a lot of things without dribbling. Ah, have you ever, have you ever tried to play point guard and like pick up? Yes. And I, and I think to be honest I think I'm good. Maybe like maybe like maybe like not like somebody somebody play like full court defense with me But I was not bad at all like I'm I can shoot I can dribble is not is not is not really fast fast But it's really like good good. Yeah, like yeah, it's it is not easy to stop me I'm and it's effects is not about like hey, you know, I'm done the best, you know, who am I?

Boban, you know, it's really, it's really true. I tried it's work well, but you know, like, of course, like this, not my position, but I can do it. Have you ever, have you ever crossed anybody up at point guard, like broken anybody's ankles? Never. But because, because I can show it to everybody, nobody like everybody tried to reach the ball, but they can, they couldn't have it.

Yeah. He's just shoot over. All right. Another one that's that makes me laugh. Cause Bobon we're, I mean, we're massive fans of you and like, it's just, you're, you seem like the funnest guy. Like everyone talks about how great of a teammate you are. Um, but this story is I think from six years ago, your son's birthday, uh, you got so excited for your son's birthday, but you forgot that your wife had planned a photo shoot beforehand. And it's just a picture of you, your wife and your two kids. And you're just full Spiderman, uh, face paint while they don't have any face paint on. Cause you got ready so early for his birthday. No,

that was not true. Okay. All right. So but is that that picture is an awesome picture? No, no, no the picture the picture is there. Yeah, I think I think he was like It was not for my son birthday. It was like for for the new year. Okay Yeah, and my son friend there was in Detroit from Serbia. Yeah, she she paint she paint like You know to drawing she paint our faces and that's what that's why how that how that pictures happen. Okay. Cause the picture is very funny because it's your two kids, your wife with no face pain and you're just full Spiderman. Yeah. Yeah. The picture is that. Yeah. You're right. Okay. All right. Yeah. Yeah. I mean you seem like the best guy to be around. Uh, that's just a fact. Um, yeah, the, the, maybe that's just your personality.

Like I think every, every story that comes out about you, it's just like, he's just the best. I don't know what it is. Like he's, he's, he's the man and, and every, every teammate feels like they absolutely love you. I love my teammates. I really have great experience with each one of them. Like, you know, like everybody's super great, super humble people. Like from the, when I was kid to like, to like NBA, everybody, everybody was super, super perfect. Do you have a favorite teammate, a guy you're still great friends with? Yeah, I'm like, I have a lot of, I have a lot of, I have a lot of teammates who are

friends. Of course I play with Jokic in Mega with him. I play, of course I play with Luca in Dallas. Of course I play with Toby. And this is with him. I play of course I play with Luca in Dallas Of course, I play with Toby and this is like this like some people who you guys know I have I have a lot of friends around but these three these three like we was like we was like mostly tight Yeah, yeah, what have uh, what have your friends and especially the ones from Serbia? What they said about the game in America when you're getting ready to go to the NBA What how what's NBA what's the reputation of the NBA like overseas right now? Like something untouchable

something like nobody can play you know like and you need to work a lot you need to work a lot to make it. It seems like you know in the last 20 years or so maybe even you know since the dream team the the world has I don't want to say caught up to the American game but it's certainly really competitive you watch in the Olympics and these are some great games that are being played in the Olympics right now is there something about basketball in Europe that you think makes it makes it more competitive now than it used to be I think basketball it's like big like big game everybody everybody try to find out something new and it's competitive

every time you know like I feel like I feel like they change players change everything change the like strategy change everybody everybody tried to be like everybody want to be like Golden State like back over there when they was like when they were shooting every ball everybody tried to be like Steph Curry but they they don't know that doesn't know the only one it's one and only Steph Curry like everybody tried to try to be like that team what is like my experience and Everybody like put the numbers, you know, like watching the watching the stats, you know Like what is that type of things and now everybody start to shoot shoot trees I think I figured out no really no really like like

Basketball real basketball before like, you know, like you can post up you can shoot you have this you can run everything like you remember you remember like San Antonio game and everybody like share the ball and like one guy attack like other guy the shareable they make like 12 12 13 14 passes and And after that like one guy open on layup or one guy open on three point right now I feel like everybody like play a small small small, small, small, a pick and roll. And they try to, they try to attack the mismatch switch. And this is it. Like this, this is only, this only what the basketball do right now, but it's competitive is nice. Basketball always fun. The play like a check and a chess and it's um, they play chess and like you basically need to be in the right place in the right

moment. Yeah. In Serbia, how, how big of a star is Jokic? Is he just the like every single person? Because he seems like a great guy as well. Very humble. Have you got, have you, have you gone to the horse track with him? I didn't, I didn't, but you know, like, uh, he's really, uh, he's really, um, he's really superstar, not like big star. He's superstar. Everybody's really, he's really superstar. Not like big star, he's superstar. Everybody wearing his jersey on outside, all kids like, all kids you see play basketball

and say, hey, do you know Jokic? Do you know Jokic? Can you say hi to him? Can you say hi to him? And like big time, but you know, like, he's not about like, he's not about like, he's just big star. He's just like big human big heart like big like

good friend and And nice person and that's why that's why people like people and kids like him the most because like this is who he is He was he was like that before when he was like when he was like together without nothing and Right now right now with something of course course, he's, he's much more big level than me. But you know, like with something you have, everybody was make, make something, make something like for rest of our lives. That's why, that's why he's so remindable and everybody loves him. Yeah. You were talking about how everybody wants to be Steph Curry, but there's only one Steph Curry, but the, the level of shot making has gone up. Like

three pointers areinters are, people are way better at them than they used to be. If you were to practice and you were to take 25 threes, how many do you think you would make? Just in practice, nobody guarding you? I can make a lot. I'm good shooter. I'm not like Steph Curry good shooter or somebody other guys, but I can make from 25, nobody got me if I'm, I can make like at least maybe 20. That's great. Yeah. You should start something that you should start shooting threes all day. Yeah. But I'm so powerful under the basket. You know, that's why, that's why that's my advantage. Yeah. Have you ever, uh, have you ever been playing and there's somebody who's like

six feet tall that jumps up in the air to try to block your shot and they just don't even come close and you just laugh at him? No, I never, I never laughed to nobody. I respect, I respect, I didn't laugh to nobody because I respect, I respect people who like who try, uh, who give their best to, of course we, everybody have a vision about the high, about speed, about, about the power, about the physical, but I never, I never laughed to nobody like, you know, ah, you cannot reach. I never do that. You nobody like you know, you cannot reach I never do that

You see that's nice. You see you seem like great guy cuz if I were playing basketball I would you have to jump I would have to try to get a hand in your face But I don't think I'd come within like five feet of the ball and but you know, you got it You got to make an effort on defense. Yeah, of course, you know, like it's like it's it's I think it's respectful because I I need to respect him hearing to respect me. It's a basically like, uh, respectful, but I want to, I want to beat you. Of course. I want to attack every single time. Have you ever broken a backboard?

I didn't, but we broke a couple of couple like unscrew unscrew the, the rim or something like that. Because right now it's hard to break the, uh, backboard because the rim it's like so not attachable for the for the backboard. Yeah Yeah, I feel like the technology has gotten a lot better where you can you can really bend but you know Like I really like make couple screws or like the the rim was go like this Like I did something like that, but this really didn't never break the never break the backboard Yeah, not like Shaq when he pulled it down on That was amazing. Yeah, I got another question about Serbia. Like it's not a huge country and it's produced such insane amount of NBA talent recently.

Like what is it? Is it just basketball? Is the sport in Serbia is the coaching because it is pretty amazing the size of Serbia and then the imprint it's had on the NBA in the last decade. I think, I think it's a, I think always we have good, uh, like good, good people, good kids, good basketball players from there. But I think like, because, because in look at New York is from the, from this part of the world. And I guess, I guess they figured out or Yannis and we have, we have a a lot of we have a lot of people like maybe we need to Send send the scouting and and watch the kids, you know, I feel I figured out this is the this this is the why

Why happened there right now? They saw them it was like oh they have a lot of kids there with Lara With our talent. Let's go to see and bring them to a way to see what we can do I think that's happened right now because back of the day was really good basketball players too. You remember like Darko Milicic when he was like second pick or draft. Never mind like he was like we was in same team. He went to the NBA. I remember watch one game he was like he's really beast. He's not about like whatever he say, how many minutes he play, but it's like he was really beast and he's like, he's, he, he make him be 18 years old, 18 years old and they changed the rule. They mean like he is good. Yeah. And that's say like he's like, he's the first and they have a lot of guys similar like to the, to

the kids in this year, this era. So you might've never had this conversation. It's something we kind of like not dream about but we just throw out the rosters. Have you ever had a conversation with any of the guys about if Yugoslavia was still the country you guys would be the best basketball country? Because like when you add up all of Serbia is already really good but then like Luka you know would be on the Yugoslavian team. Like there's other guys in that part of the world that if it was still it would be crazy. They would be beating the Yugoslavian team. Like there's other guys in that part of the world that if it was still, it would be crazy. They would be beating the US in basketball tournaments.

I don't know who will beat. Of course for the basketball, we need to have that chemistry. But of course we have that chemistry because we show in a bubble. We went like, I think 12 of us went to the dinner and we have like our own party. But the thing yes I believe in that will be really good. We will be amazing. I know he will be like we can beat United States but I think we have like big chance like is not be like easy for states to to beat that team. Yeah you'd be able to have

the dinner you're talking about it was like Yoke itch. It was you. It was Luca Dragich Vucic like all these guys that would be playing on the same team if you guys saw it was still the country. Yes. Yes. That's the guys. Yeah. There's the guy. He was like he was big. I think you'll be very good. Like amazing. You read that all that names. I was like wow., okay. I just goosebumps. I just goosebumps. It is crazy. It's a small part of the world and it's just like all these guys are coming out and being incredible pros in the NBA for a very long time. It's very cool and it's like, it's cool to just see basketball grow as much as it has

around the world. True. It's amazing. Yeah. I can agree with you. I can agree with you. Yeah. Nothing to add on that. Yeah. I think you guys could probably out party us, too.

I think you'd be able to drink us under the table. Maybe that's what we do in the next All-Star break. They're trying to copy, you know, the hockey model of the four nations. Okay. We go former Yugoslavia versus the United States in the All-Star game. We go, we talk about which sport? You say hockey. Well, in hockey, they did the four nations, you know? They, yeah, they had USA, Canada, Finland. Who was the fourth nation in that?

I can't remember. I can't remember, it's a team that didn't win. But in the All-Star break, they're trying to figure out, yeah, they're trying to make it USA, you know, against the world somehow I think you uh you it's a two-part thing one you guys all go out partying the night before and then the day after it's a hungover basketball game of the former Yugoslavian countries against the United States I I would put that spread at you guys would probably be favored by 12 to 14 points agreed youed. You know what? Because kids watch this, we never drink. The professional athletes never drink.

Never drink. I mean the video of you at the 12 with Jokic is so funny and you guys are having the time of your life. Yeah, we always have a great time, but you know, never before the game. When you went out with Luka that one time was apple juice. You guys were drinking apple juice. We drink apple juice, you know. Yeah, you guys have good research. Yeah, that was funny because it was a picture and I think it was like more than 24 hours before the game, right? It was like more than a full day before the game. You know, it was a, it was a day, it was a day before it was day, day before the

game, but they come up, they come out, they come out on Twitter, they come out on Twitter like really late. And that's why, that's why it was like, look like that. But he was like, he was like two, two, two days before the game because we arrived there to two times, two days before the game. Right. Uh, well we, we need you back in the NBA. Oh, I have a stat. You want it. So for anyone who's listening right now, who is making decisions on bringing Bobon back, here's the stat for you. Career player efficiency rating. Yours is 25.3. It is higher than the following players. Kevin Durant, Charles Barkley, Tim Duncan, magic Hakeem and Steph Curry. I'd say that's pretty damn good. Yes. Yeah. Let's go. Hey, yeah. Let's get that on a resume

and just be like, Hey, Hey, do you think we just got to walk into a meeting with GMB like, Hey, do you think Kevin Durant and Steph Curry are good basketball players? They're like, yeah, we got a guy who's better statistically better. So basically you show that this is the number this one specific number and he's hot right now two championships in a row. Yeah. Winner we even we even go there but we don't believe in that story too. It was like we just we just we just throw the story there. Yeah. Believe the divided. Yeah. I think you let other people say it about you. You don't say it. You don't say it yourself, but we'll say it. He is the best player in the history of basketball. And I'll be like, I will Bobon. I have one last question for you. Uh, it is,

uh, the row back question, R H O B K dot com promo code take 20% off your first purchase. Q Zips polos hoodies joggers shorts row back dot com promo code take everyone go see happy Gilmore to our friend Bobo. Can we call you a friend now? Of course we are friends. Okay. All right. Our friend Bobo is in it. Um, my last question is, so your mom and dad are both, uh, on the shorter side. Was, was there a point where your dad was like, this is getting ridiculous? You're just weight, like, because I know I have three kids, if they get taller than me, I'm going to be mad. I'm going to be like, this is bullshit. So at what point was your dad like, hey, this is kind of bullshit. You're like two, you're over two feet taller than

him, right? I feel, yeah, for sure. I'm basically like, this happened happened in second grade. Maybe it's not. I'm like, for sure he look to my mom and say, what's happened? Yeah, yeah, yeah, this is bullshit. What we do to Boba? Maybe I use more material than it's supposed to be. It got some bigger. I just want to, I know like I want to finish something. I want to say, I forget to say because we was like, we was doing,

you talk about horses and Jokic, I want to add. I try, I will try because we film, we film some, we film TV show, Robin Hood. And with MGM and, with MGM and with MGM and I we talked about horse I'm learning to ride the horse. I'm super excited that that will be fire. This is like a Long's Gate in MGM this is like they make the TV show is be fire. That's I'm super excited for that I forget to tell you about that on beginning when you talk about horses Have you have you gotten on the horse yet? No, I didn't tomorrow tomorrow Wow big day

Tomorrow is tomorrow's day. Are you gonna ask Jokic for any tips because he is the horse guy, of course Yeah in the morning of the whole Yeah. In the morning I'll call him seven in the morning and say hey Nikola what they can do to be better. I have to see the picture. I have to see the picture of you getting on the horse for the first time. Watch out. But keep it like a secret. OK. I want to see. Tell me. Hold the horse's head in your hand. That would be a good one. I'm super excited for this I'm really super exciting for this and I hope so for more acting in my in my career and of course for more basketball games. I love it yes we're getting you back in the NBA. And by the way for DJing I tried

to be DJ too. There was like there was like I work I work in China I'm in China working working on that on that skills of course I'm I get'm, I get, I'm like, I'm, I don't want to say I'm great, but I'm really good. Okay. And we will come, we will come out with a couple of new, couple of new songs, couple of new singles. They'll be, they'll be, they'll be soon there. Like you, you guys, you guys listen on Spotify. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. We're looking for, for some, like for some good collab and I'm and I'm super happy for that. All right, we're in. I hope you guys listen to my music.

What's it listed under on Spotify? Is it just your name, or do you have a DJ name? Just my name, but it's only one song right now, but it's only one song from last year, but we will add more five songs or six songs in the next one month. I love it. I'm gonna listen. And whenever you come back to the U S you got to come by the office.

We'd love to have you here. I will. And I'll bring you guys on lunch. I promise. I promise the Serbian soup. Okay. Okay. Love it.

I'm in perfect. Boban. Thanks so much, man. We really appreciate it. No, I appreciate you guys. Thank you very much. I know. I know it's not personal like in, in in Chicago, but zoom it still work

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most. And that's when I think I kind of of vacation. That's when our players actually get together the most. And that's when I think I kind of have that moment, like let's just get together. I try to get out of the country. I'm going to Cabo with my family for a couple of weeks just to kind of relax. But when we come back, that third week of July, it's kind of game on.

You're looking like you're in good shape. Have you lost a little? Trying, trying to get down to normal weight. As someone who's taken a lot of pictures of Brett Bielma on the Arkansas days, I would kind of adjust the camera. Apologize for those. But that was also when our relationship wasn't the best because you left Wisconsin.

But you look like you're in good shape. We're trying to get there. We've not got there yet, but feeling better, looking better. Do you find yourself thinking about football when you're on vacation? I know you're supposed to be locking in on vacation. But I'd imagine a guy like you,

the mind drifts a little bit. You know, my wife always laughs because like if I'm sitting in front of the TV, I usually flip on a game. I just like watching football. And for me, I like watching games I've never seen because then you can kind of work through the game, right? And then recruiting is just such a different animal,

it's a different beast, you know, retention. So I think about it a lot, but also during that two weeks I'm gonna try to put my phones in a drawer in a hotel and just kind of try to get away from a little bit Yeah, do you feel like I maybe this is just me knowing you from afar and also getting to know you through the past few years And watching it Wisconsin and rise up Do you feel like you're in like a stage of your career where you kind of don't give a shit? Because I feel like you were there. Like the whether it be the Shane Beamer or you know, Chirpin Lane on Twitter. I enjoy it. Like you have no problem kind of kind of saying whatever you want. Is that is that

fair? You know, it's crazy. My first year head coach at Wisconsin, I went to a Big Ten meeting and Lloyd Carr and Jim Trussell grabbed me. And I had just finished a year, we went 12-1 at Wisconsin and they kind of asked me to kind of sit down for a minute and those two guys kind of said, hey, Barry Alvarez says you're going to be really good. You're 35 years old, you're going to be a spokesman for this occupation for a long time.

And at that time I'm just like, oh, these guys are being pretty cool to me. Well, now I go into those big 10 meeting rooms and I am one of the older guys in the room. I'm 55, you know, I've done it 17 years. And some of these guys say things, I'm just like, just shut up, right? Like, just, let's just pay attention to what we need to do. I want to protect, I protect our players all the time.

That's my number one priority, but I think you got to do protect the game a little bit too. Cause I think there's so many people trying to attack certain things Do we get to do for our players right now the way they get to be paid is absolutely awesome But with that comes complications that we got to work through. So yeah, I don't I don't know if I'm at a I don't give a hoot But I do definitely not afraid to speak my mind. Yeah Yeah, I mean maybe maybe what other people say it feels like does that not affect you as much as it used to? Totally, yeah, you can say whatever you want about me.

You can post a picture of me and call me. We had your side in the Bieber situation. Yeah, we did. Yeah, we did. I would not wanna mess with you. I would not wanna be in a relationship. And our relationship has gone through some tumultuous times.

Obviously, there was the time when you left Wisconsin, I was upset, and then I did maybe tweet karma at your wife after every time you guys lost in Arkansas. She blocked me, but now we're good. Listen, there was hurt feelings all around. That's how sports fans operate, right? It is. You take it personal, which I think is why it's so awesome, right? There is no better time in my career to be a head coach. And the way the game has expanded, you know, 12 playoff teams now, it's about as good as it gets,

you know, down to having so many players too. Like I know you're a commander's guy right so I literally Johnny Newton hit me this morning right and you have these kids all over the league we got two or three guys been drafted at Washington so now you see those guys in a different light and I didn't have all those pro players back then and now you kind of see what they're doing in their careers and you realize you've affected these guys not just the four years you're with them but for the rest of your life and it's pretty cool I imagine that as a former defense alignment yourself, you worked pretty closely with Newton

then. I did. Strong guy. When we got there that first year, I literally knew he had some exceptional skills, the burst. He's really strong. His little brother's on our team now too. I got five sets of brothers on my team, right? Oh, shit.

Yeah. The first set of brothers were these guys named JJ, TJ, and Derek. I like brothers. So yeah, we got Josh and James Croutts, their dad, Owen Croutts, right? So DNA means a lot, but yeah, Johnny, you know, one of the things we did after that first off season is really took his early down production. So like everybody thinks third down is all that

in a bag of nuts, right? But like the part that's really awesome about third down, everybody knows what's going on. First and second down is your easiest pass to the quarterback. So he was the most productive early down pass rusher in college football two years in a row and that's really got him where he was.

Who's the strongest guy you ever coached? Strongest guy, you know, JJ had country strong. Like he wasn't maybe, you know, but his hands, you know, he had those, those meat hook hands, right? I remember sitting there the night that JJ was trying to decide if he was gonna go into draft and John Watt just sat there, you know, he's a firefighter, right? And he sat there and he had looked like 10 pulley sausages hanging off his hands, right? And I'm just like, good God, right?

But Johnny is very powerful, very, very explosive player. Actually gave back as who's in town with us today, outside linebacker rush player is a really, really strong player. So a lot of those linemen, but some of our offensive linemen you know Kevin Zeitler was probably productive you know he's still playing in league yeah I think Russ that team that we won a Big Ten Championship every every offensive lineman on that team was drafted in the third round or higher yeah they were very explosive crew yeah do you do that when you when you're recruiting you

evaluate the father's handshake you're like I definitely this guy can get strong they're here at PFT honest goodness the best thing you do that when you're recruiting? You evaluate the father's handshake? You're like, I think this guy can get strong. They're here at PFT, honest to goodness, the best thing you can do is if you can meet mom and then if you meet one of her brothers, uncles from mom's side are usually the greatest indicators of what you're gonna get. I like that. That's a good tip, I like that.

Yeah, you are, and I don't give a shit. You just gave away the whole scheme, yeah. Well, we're gonna keep that in mind. Yeah, we'll take that out. So we talked about Shane Beamer. What's the status of some of the beefs Shane Beamer? Have you talked to him? Yeah, I actually called him. I'm very you know, I thought up in a moment yeah, but that one was kind of more of just a Little little moment in the game. So I literally called him there was later in January

We have a coaches convention and I knew his dad was getting awards I probably knew he's gonna be there and I was gonna try to make it to the event, couldn't do it so I called him and had a conversation and it was very cordial so I think you gotta get past those moments. That ended up being a rule change. Probably in the good of the game it was actually a good thing that it happened.

But yeah, all the other stuff, when I'm Pemba Lane I wasn't really going at him, I was agreeing with him. I was like, hey you should be in the playoffs. Illinois should be talked about. Three losses, all right, what about Jim Harbaugh? I have not talked to Jim Okay, that one's still that you know, I've never really had a problem with him, but it was just that moment that scenario Actually his strength coach Ben Herbert, you know, yeah, we actually interviewed him last year Incredibly impressive guy. Yeah, sir. Your soul. through your soul. Yes. Oh yeah. Oh yeah.

But when I got let go at Arkansas, he hired, Jim hired four of my strength coaches to Michigan and that's kind of when they made their turn, you know? Yeah. Yeah. All right. I got respect. I love, love his family. Love his dad. He's good people. All right. I would almost bury Alvarez. Very close. You know, he just had surgery yesterday. Yeah. Yeah. I would say, maybe after my second or third year at Wisco, we were at New York and we actually met.

Somebody tricked us into meeting at the same restaurant and we kinda just hugged it out. And from that point forward, he still called him yesterday on Father's Day, other than my dad, one of the most influential people in my life. I almost feel like having a beef with Harbaugh. That's like, it's almost a badge of honor.

Yeah. He doesn't have beef with somebody that he doesn't respect deep down inside. Just two hard-headed guys. Yeah, and I've had a lot of people that have worked with him and obviously got a lot of respect in the things he's been able to do. I read that your favorite word is consistency.

I do like consistency. That you say. Two C's, consistency and communication are big ones. Those are the two C's. Now, every time I hear you say consistency, you like to say it's a hard word to spell, but it's a tougher word to do. Right.

Can you spell consistency? Probably not on air. I gotta, would have to look it up real quick. So what is consistency? Why is consistency one of the two C's? I think it's the greatest thing you bring to the organization. It's probably why you're sitting in your chair, right?

Like you, as people are successful. That's my good looks. It could be that. But I think, you know, you got your look, you got your phrases, you know, you guys, what you've done here is absolutely awesome for our game, right? But people tune in and watch

because you guys are consistent. I don't think people want this, right? Right. Even our best players, like I say, one of the greatest things they can bring is just to be that same player every day. Because if you're it one week and you're not the next, I can't coach that, I can't plan that.

You know, I got 20 coaches in the building, nine of those guys played for me, right? I knew them as players and now I know them as coaches. And the thing that I really know is I know who they are, right? Um, it kind of applies to everything that we do. And then communication, I think in this world, like there's too much, you know, handheld devices and things that you can communicate without talking. So one of the things we do in our building, literally the first meeting they come into, they have to stand up, say building, literally the first meeting they come into,

they have to stand up, say their name, hometown, where they're at, position they're gonna play. They share three things, what's their name, their full name, if there's any meaning. Basically a story about them that helped them get to where they are today, right? And I want those guys to speak loudly and proudly and it makes them feel confident.

Do you think that kids have changed over the years? Like the players that you're coaching? You know, I get that question all the time. I think the venues that are accessible to them, right? The fan that can get at them through a DM and whether or not they want to read it or not, you know. I think kids, you have to, when you get them, teach them the things they don't know.

I always say, you know, they only know what they know, right, so if they came from a house where 10 minutes late is being on time, then you gotta teach them what that really is, right? If they don't know how to effectively communicate, hey, easy conversations are easy to have, tough conversations are tough to have, but they're usually the most productive.

So I always tell kids, man, hey, just because I'm getting on you or I'm saying something you don't wanna hear, it's probably because I love you, right? Like I'm trying to do this to get you to go somewhere we've never been. And that's a big part of it. To get kids to understand that,

because kids, when you come at kids, they think you're coming at them, right? They don't realize it's from a place of goodness. Yeah, I think that ultimately, and I don't, obviously I'm not around college kids as much as you are, but I think kids are gonna be the same throughout all the different generations. It's just the devices that they have,

the forms of communication, the forms of technology, they're a little bit different, but ultimately I feel like if you can reach kids with a message that's going to resonate, that's going to apply to all the generations. It does. We have a phrase that we say all the time. My coach, I played for a guy Hayden Fry at Iowa, and he always say, you recruit your own problems. I think a lot of times in recruiting, I'll be sitting at a table and I'll say or hear

something that I'm like, okay, I'm out, right? Like if a young man, like Luke would tell you, right, like his mother is an angel, and most kids respect their mothers, right? They're gonna disagree once in a while with their dad, right? Like my dad and I argue, but anybody that disrespects their mother is usually showing you something about what they are.

So there's like little indicators I've had in my career where how people communicate with others is usually a good indicator What they are reading people? Yeah. Yeah, it's a big part of the job would you say you have it rolling now at Illinois and I mean that in the in the best sense because when When you as a coach and and watching your career when you get it rolling, you know There's something about a Brett Bielam a team. They they put you in a cement mixer They're basically gonna play football where they're gonna make it hurt whenever you play them.

I think there was that stat when you were at Arkansas where it was like every team that played Arkansas the next week just absolutely got killed. So do you feel like you have that, you've put your year five, do you feel like you have the Brett Bielma like imprint on Illinois? I think going into year five, I feel better than I did going into year one for sure.

But this world we're in, I got 40 new players in the building. The world that we're in in college football, you operate our program now very much like an NFL team. The rosters are even getting more balanced. I said this last month, I said, the thing that's really happening in college football is awesome,

is we're all gonna start shopping in the same store. I don't care if we're shopping in Louis Vuitton or if we're at Walmart, as long as we're in the same store, I feel good. And I do think the physicality that we play at and to play with, we're starting to be more consistent in that and that's probably what's made me more excited. We sold out season tickets, I think 43,000 seats

first time in like 20 years. So I know the fans are feeling it too, which is a really good thing. But the bottom line is our players, right? And how they feel is what matters. Yeah. All right. I got a dumb question. So you, after Arkansas, you went and coached the NFL for a little bit with the Patriots and the Giants. There was a year where you were a consultant to the head coach. We're dumb. Every time I see a fired or, you know, a coach go from one place to be a consultant We're like, oh, he's just gonna sit on his ass and just basically be friends with the head coach

Can you explain to me what a consultant to the head coach does in these like you see it a lot in? NFL or college where it's like you guys kind of take care of each other Yeah, if you have a year where it's like you don't have a job you go work with someone else. What exactly do you do? You know, it was crazy. So I got let go at Arkansas. That next day, seven o'clock in the morning, my phone's ringing, it's Coach Belchick, right? And I'm like, all right, so I pick it up.

And he just starts talking to me, he talked about relating things when he got let go of Cleveland. And I really didn't know Bill. He had drafted a lot of my players. He had four guys on our roster that year that were former players of mine that he had drafted. And he just kind of started talking to me.

He said, hey, I don't know how long we're gonna go, but when we're done, you know, I'd like to give you a call and see if you would like to think about working in our organization. Didn't know what it was. So literally that was the year they got beat by Philly, right? The next day at 11 o'clock, he called me and he said,

hey, would you be interested in this? So I started watching some film. he didn't offer me a job and then we met at the combine and I went on Wednesday and I stayed till Sunday Saturday night he's like hey can you go with me I'm driving to my place in Nashville and then I'm going to Alabama Pro Day so I'm like sure yeah I don't have any clothes but yeah we so we hopped in a car from Indianapolis and drove to Nashville I was driving the whole way which was an experience and a half and don't really know the man, right? And then he just kind of kept giving me other jobs and then finally when we were in the spring

He invited me to the draft and then in the spring He said hey, would you like to stick around and be with us in the fall? And I'm like sure what and he goes Whatever you want to do right like wherever you want to he goes, and then he came up with that title. Yeah. But he literally, one of the first projects he did, he gave me four teams to look at in a, in a playoff season and, and, and said, look at it in the red zone

and tell me what you think. So I literally kind of did this little project. And I think that's what turned into, I ended up working on a defensive side of ball, Brian Flores. Yeah. I kind of gravitated to that side. And then the next year I was a D-line coach.

But I tell you with Coach Belichick, I learned something every day I'd never heard before. Really? He is truly one of the most brilliant football minds I've ever been around. We were watching the Bears, right? And we're getting ready to play in Soldier Field. And I'd played in Soldier Field when I was at Wisco.

We played Northern Illinois and New York a couple times. But we were gonna play a noon game, right? And he's showing film and he's talking about, well, the sun's in his eyes here and he's saying all these things. I grew up on a farm. I took care of animals when they were hot. I knew about the sun and the heat of the sun.

So finally, at the end of the day, I said, how do you know where the sun is? And he goes, oh, by their shadows. The shadows short behind him versus long in front of him. I'm like, holy shit, he takes shadows. And then we talked to him and sure enough, we kicked into the sun and told these we had a whole game plan about when they were going to be kicking kick returning into the sun. Uses the sun as a weapon. Yeah,

that's crazy. So so in then like, for the first year when you're consulting, you're just basically doing special projects. I did a lot of projects. Then we won the Super Bowl that year. Yeah. And we were playing Kansas City in the championship game. We had to beat Kansas City, right? But I didn't really, I coached on defense, but I didn't coach a position. So that week he came to me and said,

hey, why don't you start prepping for LA, right? And in the NFL, you don't have NFL films, right? So you hear the court, so I would make an audible tape and I knew what they were saying. So I worked on that thing for three weeks. Yeah. So when we went to the game, you know, McVeigh was an awesome dude, but he kind of, and that's fucked him up in that game. He was calling it cause they're quarterback. The guy that's at Detroit, if they broke the huddle under 20 at 20 seconds, he had five seconds to get the communication in. So we

knew he wasn't going to audible much. Right. But when they broke the huddle at 30 seconds we knew that he was gonna get to the line of scrimmage and change the call so that was the lowest scoring Super Bowl in NFL history. Yeah I took the over. Yeah. You were pissed at me then. You were still pissed. I mean it was one of the best defensive game plans of all time. It was honestly because it was a video game we knew by the when the clock was going when we could audible and when we had to shim and stiff it was really kind of cool. knew by the one o'clock was going, when we could audible and when we had to shim and stiff, it was really kind of cool. Wow.

So as you're watching that game, are you just, you're obviously like nervous going into the game, but then you see your plan, your plan's working, you're just sitting back like, yeah. Well. I knew this was gonna happen. I was a part of the plan, wasn't my plan. But yeah, Brian Flores, I'm telling you,

he's now the DC at Minnesota, is one of the most very, very gifted defensive mind. So those guys put it together and then, you know, Coach Belichick, I remember specifically Aaron Donald was on their roster and he literally said that guy's not going to wreck our game, right? And I think he had one tackle in that game. I mean, they did such a good job of covering him up. That's a good answer because I always, whenever I see consultant, I'm like, oh, he's just getting like a no show job.

I was like a soprano. Now I do think there are a lot of times though, Big Cat, seriously, where they do what you're saying. Like, I've never done that and I wouldn't want to have done that, but I do think there are a lot of times though, Big Cat, seriously, where they do what you're saying. Like I've never done that and I wouldn't have wanted to have done that, but I do think there's a lot of times where people just kind of take care of their buddies. Yeah, yeah.

Maybe they hire you so that somebody else doesn't hire you? Well, and then yes and no, but I really grew with Bill. That was really an awesome year in my career. And then Brendan Daly, who went to the Chiefs, left. So I took over as a D-line coach. So I was a D-line coach that year. And we got knocked out in the first round of playoffs. And I'd learned a lot about,

I got to coach a couple of my former players. And then I went to the Giants for one year. And that was probably one of my most enjoyable time. That was during the COVID year. So it was really cool to be a part of that process starting an NFL organization. So when you go to New England and Bill's like, hey, is it gonna be a consultant to me me is Ernie Adams standing behind you like you

motherfucker. I love Ernie man. So Ernie's all you know, so I went from being a head coach for uh 12 years to a cubicle in the New England Pages. Everybody has a cubicle, right? So I'm like sitting there like talking to my wife on the phone, right? Like you're, it's just kind of crazy. But Ernie had an office. Yeah. You know, so I went on the. But Ernie had an office. Yeah. You know, so I went on the corner and Ernie had, uh, you know, boxes, unboxes. And then he and I, once he realized how I kind of ticked, like we kind of started bouncing ideas off each other. And then there was a Monday, there was a, I think it was a Monday night game or something

that game. And I was up in the booth my first year and Ernie was the challenge guy. Right. And I was watching the play and I could see that the ball came out and I'm like, it's out, it's out, it's out. And they called it, it wasn't out. And I'm like, Nick Casario turned around and looked at me. And I'm like, because Bill threw the flag. And I'm like, oh shit, this isn't going to be good, right?

I hope to hell this ball came out. But I know I saw what I saw, but I know somebody's foot was on the sideline and we ended up winning the game and it was a critical thing. So I'm like nervous, like, you know, Ernie's looking at me, Nick looked at me and it ended up being the right call. We reversed it, Bill challenged it and we got it. And so Bill called me, he's like, the next day he's like,

hey, why did you say that? And I'm like, uh, cause I saw it. Yeah. Right? And he's like, well, why don't you kind of continue to do that, you know? And I'm just like, whew. That's awesome. Yeah. I was scared for a moment. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I've always wondered what Ernie Adams does, besides just sitting in a room watching old football plays and then seeing something like once a day, he's like, aha, I got something for Bill. You know what he was, PFT, he was unbelievable about forecasting problems, right? So he would, every scenario that we went through, he had already played at.

He had an Ernie tape, it was, so every night, the night before we played a game Ernie would have about eight to ten plays that he would show that were very unique situational things and I was blown away that's what I do now actually still with my crew he was just so far ahead like he knew the analytics but it was in his head like some of these guys try to do it but they're looking at charts Ernie knew it and you know just an awesome dude That was one of my experiences there that I had no idea that was coming.

But yeah, he was a pretty special advocate. Take me back to 19-year-old Brett Beelam. You're in the tattoo shop. Did you ever think that you getting an Iowa tattoo, the Ticroc tattoo, would be one of the most talked about tattoos? Because every time there's maybe, oh, Iowa's got, maybe they're gonna move to move on. Maybe it's like, well, Brett Beal

has got a D's and Iowa guy. He's got the Iowa tattoo. Did you, did you ever think that it would be talked about the way it's talked about? I can assure you in a spring afternoon at 19 years of age, when maybe you're not making the greatest decisions, uh, we actually had five roommates and we all went and got tats together. And then, you know, it's funny, I didn't want my mom to know. So that summer when I was home, I was always wearing high socks. Never really showed it off.

I was worried my mom was going to get mad at me. But it's kind of funny whenever a recruit comes in my room and says, Coach, can I see your left leg? I'm like, okay, you just came from Iowa. Because whenever Kirk Forenz decides to hang it up, you know that that's just going to be the top story is like, well, Be just came from yeah came from Iowa Yeah, cuz whenever whenever Kirk Forenz decides to hang it up Yeah, you know that that's just gonna be the top story is like well, you know, it does have it. Yeah Well, so I I actually my new contract I sign a non-compete with every school in a big ten Ah, so I can't when we I've signed three contracts alone when my second one came up. Whisco was open

Okay, and Nebraska was open and I know they were concerned about that. So I volunteered it I said hey, I know everybody thinks I'm gonna go to Iowa. I don't wanna go to Iowa I spent five great years there. Yeah coach there for a long time. I was like, I'm happy So I actually signed a no compete with all the Big Ten. Okay Yeah, you mentioned that you you sold out tickets for the upcoming football season Are you guys can we say is Illinois a football school? You know, I think Illinois is a good school Brad Underwood the basketball coach is one of my best friends I used to go that,

like when we were at Iowa, Steve Alford came in and he kinda said that at his opening press conference. And Hayden Fry was there like, what are we, you know? And so I get it, but I think the sum of Illinois is, like when basketball and football is doing well, everybody does well, right? It's a good answer. Our friend Tom Frinelli wanted me to pressure you

into saying that it was a football school. Nah, I don't ever see it that way, but Brad's throwing out the first pitch tonight. I'm in show on our women's basketball coach throwing the pitch and I'm singing. So we tag team all the time. I love that. I also read that when you tore your ACL,

the rehab back then was a little bit different than it is now. So I was- How long did it take you? I was actually a walk-on at the University of Iowa. Sophomore year, I tore my ACL. And I'm like, I was just on the verge of maybe getting, I'd been a walk-on for a year and I needed to get

a scholarship because I couldn't keep doing that to my mom and dad. So I tore my ACL and the next day the doc's like, hey, you know, you don't have a lot of swelling, it's pretty clean tear. He said we can do one of two things. We can have surgery and it's about a nine month rehab or we can just train your hamstring to take place of it.

So I actually tore my ACL and played seven days later in a scrimmage and then ended up playing three years. But I remember the doctor said to me, he goes, if you don't do an ACL repair, the only bad thing if you go to the NFL, they're going to reject you at the physical. And I started laughing. I'm like, NFL, I'm trying to play here, right?

Sure enough, three years later, I'm sitting on the Seahawks training room table, right? And they asked me if I had any knee issues. I said, no. I had some meniscus taken out this year. Well, the next day, I'm walking out the field. I hear, hey, bulimia. So I knew that somebody was going to kill my name.

Yeah. Bulimia, bulimia, I've been every eating disorder known to man, right? So they said, hey, have you had any knee reconstructive surgery? We found out you had your ACL. I'm like, yeah, I tore it, you know, so I tried to bullshit them. They got me on the table, did a couple things, so I got cut, I had a wonderful NFL career, six days.

Six days with a Seahawk. If you had to go back and do it again, would you have played in the scrimmage or would you have gone through the whole rehab process? I don't, I mean, I appreciate the question, but I don't really think I'd be where I am today if I hadn't done what I did. Yeah, that's true, yeah. I was, I went through this phase of like, I was pissed, like, you know, you're right there knocking appreciate the question, but I don't really think I'd be where I am today if I hadn't done what I did. Yeah, that's true.

I was, I went through this phase of like, I was pissed. Like, you know, you're right there knocking on the door. I was in an NFL training facility. I was sitting in there with my roommate, it was from Auburn, we're talking about chance of playing the NFL. And you'd always dreamed of that moment. So I actually went back, Coach Fry gave me an ACL resurgery

and I was gonna try to play again. So I went and played for the Milwaukee Mustangs, tore my ACL that, that, that very first game back with them. Yeah. So I tore it twice. And at that time, then I, I had never thought about coaching and that's when coach Fry offered me a job in coaching. That's what I took. Is it fair to say that you were kind of a psycho to say I'd rather play in a

scrimmage, not a game, not a practical, like a scrimmage with no ACL. Well, I knew that if I could, if I played, I'd probably get a scholarship. I was starting to be one of the better players. So I was only just really thinking about the now. And really I didn't have any problems. There was a game against Michigan my senior year. I got rolled up from behind. This guy clipped me and I was, my knee locked.

And you can kind of see there's a TV clip where I'm like trying to crawl. I was going to go whoop his ass. Like I was pissed, right? Cause I know he hit me low and my knee was locked up. I couldn't move it. The cartilage slipped into the joint. So my knee was, and like I remember at that time

I was kind of mad, right? Like I was definitely psycho. I was gonna get him. Yeah. But I couldn't get up. Yeah. Is running the football back? Feels like it's back.

I think it's balanced, right? Like obviously I got a quarterback here who's exceptional at what he does. He actually wants to try to run the ball more than we want him to. Yeah. So I think, and you know, when I was at Wisco and we had a role and we always used to say,

if you can get 175 on both sides, if you throw the ball 175 and throw for 175, you're gonna win a lot of games. Now we averaged for a lot of years, 200 on both sides, 200 running and throwing, and you'll win 90% of your games if you can do that. So I think the balance of running, I think the teams that throw it all over the place,

just you can't win consistently. You can get a hot hand, you got a great quarterback, maybe some receivers, but you can't win consistently. Yeah, yeah. How are you feeling about fullbacks these days? You know, we actually use our tight ends as fullbacks. Yeah. And we'll use our other running backs.

We don't have a fullback per se, but we do use 12, which is kind of the new 21. Yeah, I love fullbacks. I miss old-school downhill smash mouth football I feel like it could still work. It does when we truly Tanner Arkin for us he's a kid that ran a fake against Michigan we kind of use him as an H but he's an F and we will run some 21 this year but 21 was great for a long time especially we got a back that can catch it. Yeah as

long as the fans can just stare at the field and be like, just run the damn ball. They feel smart just by saying that's kind of us when we watch football. Well, you know, one of the great phases that I learned from Bill, he said it all the time, great teams do three things. They run the ball, they defend the run, and they cover kicks.

And there is a lot of truth to that. And I think that's the part that I will never go away from football. Did Bill ever get real nerdy with you about something like real granular about the game? Like we've heard him talk about long snappers, right? Where he'll just go on for five minutes talk about long snappers. Was there something that that you learned from him that he got real obsessed with? So I I love to get up early, right? So like usually especially when I was at New

England I was living in a hotel right around the corner at Patriot's place and I remember I went in that day, it was up 4.30, and it was a little before five. Me and Brendan Daly were there, Brendan's cubicle is right next to me, and Bill comes walking in. It was literally right before five o'clock, and he goes, hey, you guys got a minute,

we're gonna go over D-line games, right? So we were doing D-line drawings and putting them in the playbook. We literally went in the meeting room at five o'clock. It was 10, 15 in the morning, and we took our first break. And I went out, and my wife's like, hey, I've been trying to call you since eight, right? I'm like, well, I started meeting at five o'clock, it was 10, 15 in the morning, and we took our first break. And I went out and my wife's like, Hey, I've been trying to call you since eight. Right. I'm like, well, I started meeting at five for five hours.

We looked at and diagram defensive line games, like tackle goes first. Now draw it a little higher, let him tack the inside. I have the, he always used to say like, you know, attack the guard, never leave the guard until he leaves you. So he, it was absolutely five hours of the most awesome D line experience I've ever had and it was very granular. It was it was absolutely awesome. I love that. Yeah. Yeah All right. I got one last question always great to see it coach and thanks for stopping by it's a row back question Alright, Joe B

Ck calm promo code take 20% off your first purchase qzips polos hoodies joggers shorts row back your first purchase, Q-zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts, rowback.com. I think I asked this last time you were on, but I'm gonna ask it again, because it, I would say maybe an unhealthy amount, probably like once a month it pops in my head. The Rose Bowl against TCU, why the hell didn't we run John Claymore?

Does it ever pop in your head? Oh, 24-7. That makes me feel a little better. Scott Tolzin to this day, right? And then I don't know if you remember that game. I was there. We got well It's like I was like 10 rows up from the two-point conversion. John Clay had a thousand James White had a thousand. Moneyball ended the season with 998 we would have had three thousand yard rushers never been done in college football history But we you know right about the middle of the third quarter. I said to Paul Chris

I said bro, they can't stop us running the ball. They can't. So we got into it and, and you know, then that two point play just, just got in my mind. Should have been a run. Should have just been a man run. And then I, we lost that game. The next year we play at Oregon. I was at that one too. And I was like, like the Dolphins called that week and offered me a job. Like two weeks before that Super Bowl or before that Rose Bowl. And I'm like, I'm like, like the dolphins called that week and offered me a job, like two weeks for that Super Bowl or before that Rose Bowl.

And I'm like, I'm gonna play in this Rose Bowl. Like we got Oregon, I got Russell Wilson. I think we got a chance. And then we had a very, remember the ball that sat on the, remember Jared Aberdeer? Yeah, yeah, yeah, on the sideline, yeah, yeah. Right, it ball didn't move. Yeah.

Like you can't do that. Yep. And he clocked it in time. Yeah, it, oh, that rule changed too, just like this year the rule changed. It seems like all my bowl games, I get bullshit rule change. It was an all time, I mean that first quarter was 21-21 I think, it was just insane. And Abbey was like the greatest Christian based awesome kid, never had a fumble one time on the sideline, never moved.

Crazy. And then the last time I was well I didn't get to coach because I took the stab this in the back. Yeah. Do you want to apologize for stabbing the cat direct? Not in the back. Even if I had stabbed at the time, I was like Brett Buma, because I think your first year was when I was a junior. So it was like, I was like, this guy's going to be my coach for the next 40 years. You know, it's awesome. One of my most

enjoyable thing. I just got a One of my most enjoyable things, I just got a letter about a month ago from a young man who graduated from Illinois and he talked about how we changed his career, right? Or his experience at Illinois. And you kind of lose sight in those moments, right? Like it really does make a more enjoyable experience for the kids to win games, right?

And be around that. So it was never personal I promise you were you that were you the head coach or was it Barry's last year the the game that we're undefeated going into Michigan State and then got stopped like seven times in a row I was the coordinator yeah I was the correct run Matt Bernstein there I wasn't making the calls yeah all right all right so that's why we're number one yeah yeah you're off the hook on that one well coach thank you it's always great having you by and best luck this year. Thank you very much. Appreciate you

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Okay, let's wrap up the show. We got firefest of the week Pft actually well we usually start with Hank. Yeah, we bought Hank an all-expense trip. We actually I'm not trying to be humble here, but PFT and I didn't mention on Wednesday show We not only bought it for Hank and his dad But we also bought it for his brother and brother-in-law too. So it was for is foursome We sent a foursome to Pebble Beach all expenses paid Not looking for credit But obviously an insane gift by that's what we do here part of my take we take care of her boys and

Nothing better than spending time with the family right out on the golf course and we said a year ago We said Hank guess what a year we're gonna plan this out your whole family I know that you're about to forget your dad's birthday. Don't worry about that He'll forgive you because you're gonna pebble Beach. Mm-hmm. Well, we we sprung it up. We didn't tell him a year ago We told him that night and then he had to get on a 7 a.m. Flight But holy shit planning blast Should we call let's call Hank real quickly? I bet you alright, so it's 940 Central time right now that means it's 740 a.m. West Coast time he's he no he might be at the range might be at the range

Wait that was one ring directly to voicemail One ring directly to voicemail. Hello? Hank! Hey! It's the guys from Pardon My Take. We're doing FireFest right now. We just wanted to see how you're enjoying your Pebble Beach vacation that PFT and I paid for.

Yeah, we're enjoying it a lot. We're actually just talking about you. We're eating some breakfast. I had an avocado toast scrandies Oh, how much is how much is that gonna run us? Yeah, no problem How much the avocado? Yeah, my brother got the rib eye steak and eggs

Oh, he's living it up out there. Jesus. You're really running it up. Are you guys doing breakfast drinks? Yeah Are you doing breakfast drinks? Yeah? Are you doing breakfast drinks? Yeah, couple more most oh geez Damn, what are you gonna tip make sure cuz the people at Pebble Beach know we're paying for it So make sure you tip like 25 30 percent Okay, all right. All right, maybe take a picture of that 30% tip and send it to us Yeah, Hank, what are you gonna? Where are you gonna shoot on that par 3 the downhill par 3? Alright, maybe take a picture of that 30% tip and send it to us. Okay, okay. Yeah. Hank, where are you going to shoot on that par three, the downhill par three?

That's actually tomorrow. We're playing Spyglass today. That's right, yeah, Spyglass. I forgot about that. So I'm going to run there at like 94 and a half. Okay. I want to sound off. Okay.

Okay. Alright. Well, we miss you. We hope you're having a great time. You know what? Actually, go 40% on that tip and send me that picture. Okay. Okay. Well, we miss you. We hope you're having a great time. You know what? Actually go 40% on that tip and send me that picture. Yeah. Yeah. And tell them, tell them it's from us. And you know what? But by they're all saying, thank you. But by like, I don't know, like two grands worth of stuff at the pro shop and that's on us too.

Don't worry boys, I'm coming back with gifts. Oh, okay, great. But Hank, if you get a hole in one, then you have to buy us drinks from Pebble Beach. You have to Venmo us back. Deal. Okay. Okay, all right, great, great.

All right. Love you guys. All right, love you too. All right, bye Hank. All right, bye Hank. All right, bye. So, my FireF Fest of the week is that I've been training for golf. I've been doing Hank's protocol that he put in place. And part of the protocol is I'm not allowed to hit driver.

I can only do that as a treat after I've worked. Now I have noticed that Hank's cousin, who is an intern this summer, has been spending a lot of time hanging around me while I'm golfing, while I'm practicing golf. I think Hank's got who is an intern this summer has been spending a lot of time hanging around me while I'm golfing. Oh, I'm practicing golf. I think Hank's got a spy. Oh, I think Hank is sending him to monitor me to make sure I'm not hitting driver. And so I think Hank's got eyes and ears everywhere. Have you guys heard about this? Has he told you? No, but I think that he's working on the video that we're putting out of your journey here.

So I think he's just working. Also, Memes and I have started to call him Little Wood. Little Wood? I like that. Little Wood? Well, yeah, because it's Little Lockwood. Yeah. Well, it's a good nickname.

But I'm pretty sure that he is a spy. And so I have to act accordingly around about all times. Because Hank. Oh, definitely a spy. That is a move that Hank would do right? Yeah, he's like absolutely and that he's gonna try to punish me if I hit driver too much Yeah, I was gonna be scared now. He's gonna be scared to go around good good

Good, I hope he's scared fuck. I'll be nice to him later, but now I want him to have a healthy fear of me Yeah, but also in this training process. I'm getting just blisters everywhere all over my hands. So I'm waking up got blisters and new places. Oh, sorry. That look at that. Look at that thing right there. Oh, shit. Yeah, it's bad. It's bad. But I'm I'm I'm on the grind right now. And man, playing a lot of golf is a lot of work. Yeah, it's a lot of time job. It's a lot. It is more than full time. Sometimes you have to leave your full time job to go travel to play golf. Yeah, love

it that much Well, we bought that trip. We did kind of force them to do that. We can't get madden for that You know what? I'm gonna text him right now. I feel like I feel like I should do like 60% on that tip, right? I feel like yeah. Yeah, and he's got to prove it. All right, I'm gonna say yeah, you know what go 60 60% on the tip That's that's a nice thing to do all right, well, so what about, you're wearing a glove, right? On your left hand.

What about- Does anybody go Teddy 2 gloves? What about like sleeping with those Vaseline gloves on? I put Vaseline on my right hand almost every single night before I go to bed, so I've got that covered. Okay. What are the Vaseline gloves? I don't know. Aren't there like gloves you

can wear when you sleep to make your hands softer? Are there? I think so. I might. Listen, I'm going to- I would assume that's a thing. Do we have anyone on Google right now? I got to get my hands insured. Yeah. Let's see. Vaseline gloves. Okay, that's not it. It's a Vaseline globe? Globe. Vaseline used on a go- No, they're like gloves you can wear at night to like moist moisten up your hands I don't know although a blister you might want to keep it open that night. I think I just have to put extra Vaseline Oh, yeah, there they are Nope those aren't it. All right. I might have made this up in my head. Oh, yeah. There we go Oh, no over what overnight hydration gloves, okay?

You might need these get your hands back to a hundred percent sleeping gloves Yeah, I'm into that. That would be very funny sleeping glove. You know what else I need them for its driving driving gloves Yes, cuz that'll that'll give you blisters to like your car. Yeah my car. Yeah. Yeah driving gloves not golf driving Yeah, I'm talking about like cruising like if you're a professional driver you have you own a pair of driving gloves, right? And it looks awesome. Right. Okay. So, yeah, I'm, my hands are hurting, waking up early, grinding, Hank's got spies on me,

but this is, it's all part of the process. So I'm enjoying the process. I'm getting 1% better every day. Love that. If you get 1% better every day, you get 36 times better over the course of a year. That's just math. It is compound interest. That's just math. It is compound interest rate up math Okay, my fire fest. Well. I have an update from last week. I told you guys about my son doing the

Barcelot after dark with me turns out I he didn't tell me this but we hit 80 Shots in a night, and then I was like alright. What do we do next hoping he wasn't gonna say 160 He said we're gonna go to a hundred and then we're gonna go back to ten. I was like, okay, that's good. Awesome That's good. We're back on the climb. We hit a hundred now. We're back on the climb Do you know he didn't I didn't know that was a possibility, but I was very like I He doesn't understand if you just keep times and it's just we're gonna that's all we're gonna do for the rest of our lives Is there fun? Is there a part of you though? That's like come on. Don't quit on this No hundred was a lot. What would Kobe do?

Kobe might might keep going Kobe would have kept going. He would have just don't have the mamba mentality No, I need to well, I don't want to have the full mamba mentality. That's true. Yeah All right, and my real fire fest is I got to be honest boys. I Really wish you were going to Edmonton for game 7. I really really wish we were going to Edmonton for game 7. I really really wish we were going to Edmonton for game 7 It's a bummer I was I was so pumped for that trip and it just fucking sucks that we didn't get to go to game 7 in Edmonton with the boys. It was bucket list for me. It was. I was legitimately pumped. Me too. What am I saying right now? I'm pumped. I was pumped. We got on that call with the Chicklets boys. I was like this This is a crew. I would love to go to games. They are an all-time Yeah, that as soon as we had that phone call was like this would be so much fun. Yeah

Yeah, I would know I was looking at restaurants up into Edmonton figuring out where we could go They can't have good food Dairy Queen. No, come on Did you guys think got a lot of lot of blizzards up there? All right, that's good food. I think corrected There's a lot of talk about Connor McDavid Maybe being traded because he has one year left on his deal And there was some clips going around and one of them was like what's your favorite part about Edmonton? And he said well the days last longer this time of year. Yeah, that's true. That's actually a big thing That's a good thing. But max though that there's a reverse on that

Yeah, that they don't like pretty much the entire time he lives in Edmonton it's very dark what he's saying I don't think he lives in Edmonton in the offseason it's a it's a great combo because golf season the days are a lot longer yeah so gets to play a lot of rounds he's like yeah it stays light till 1130 which would be great if that was what was happening when he was playing hockey but yeah I think he lives in LA in the offseason yeah he's, it's nice to drive home from work when it's still light out at the end of the season sometimes. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. That's what he's getting at. It's nice to drive to the airport to

leave Edmonton when it's still light out. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Zach. Yes, sir. I've got a fire first for you today. A super quick one. So Jacob and I do run the soft serve machine that you have installed here in quick one. So, Jacob and I do run the soft serve machine that you have installed here in the office. And yesterday was the second, yesterday we had another all time cone that we had to get correct yesterday. And we fell short, we didn't have the correct cones for Dave.

We have waffle, we have cup cones, we do not have sugar cones. Can I back up my cream team for a second here? If you'd like. I think sugar cones with soft serve is crazy. I think it's crazy. I don't the emoji for soft serve ice cream is is a cake cone. Soft serve ice cream will drip like I will do a waffle cone with soft serve but it you know it's gonna drip. Sugar cones guaranteed dripping. The like sugar cone is a classic ice cream cone. You know what I mean?

What's the difference between waffle cones, regular cones, and sugar cones? It's right here. Can you explain? He actually has a Venn diagram. I know exactly what a regular ice cream cone looks like. I know exactly what a waffle cone looks like. What's a sugar cone?

Okay, so I don't have the Venn diagram handy, but I can go off the top for you, a little bit of ice cream cone knowledge super quick. So the waffle cone, you know, with the batter in between the two hot plates to make the waffle cone Yeah, the cup cone you'll see it's got a little deeper to deeper. I guess I would be the door not dwelling but uh Well do it with the hand and then this so sugar cone will be a more of a pointed cone So similar shape to the waffle cone similar consistency to the cup comb a little bit thicker

So the what the difference between a waffle cone and sugar cone is the waffle cone, similar consistency to the cup cone, but a little bit thicker. So, the difference between a waffle cone and a sugar cone is the waffle cone is uneven at the top. It like wraps around. Yeah, yeah. It has the jagged edges at the top. The sugar cone will be flat across the base. Okay. There's also a difference in the batter that is used between the sugar cone and the waffle

cone. Yeah, in every picture of the sugar cone I'm seeing, it's all scoops. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. That's a classic ice cream cone, not a soft serve cone, because the sugar cone. Yeah, in every picture of the sugar cone I'm seeing, it's all scoops. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. That's a classic ice cream cone, not a soft serve cone, because the sugar cone will drip at the bottom. Yeah. You will see a lot of hard scooped ice cream

in the sugar cones, as opposed to the cup cones being typically with the soft serve, but the customer is always right, and we have acquired the sugar cones, it will be here today. That was a massive misstep on our part. Okay, quick, Mount Rushmore of ice cream flavors Go, Zach, by the way, someone pointed out very funny. They're like you guys are so clearly

Chomping at the bit for Mount Rushmore season, which will start next week because we asked him for his Mount Rushmore sports playoffs and Someone was just like you and PFT and Hank and Max just like hijacked it. We took over the entire thing. No no no you forgot about this. Yup. But this is yours. Okay do you want a branded flavors or do you want like if we go to a parlor? Whatever you want. Okay whatever okay so we'll go a Netflix and chilled which is a Ben & Jerry's flavor which is a peanut butter base it's got salted swirl and fudge cubes second we're gonna go cookies and milk from Ben & Jerry's which is gonna be a vanilla base maybe a sweet cream base I could be incorrect on that.

It's got chocolate chip cookies, milk swirl almost, and then other chocolate chips in it as well. Third, I'm gonna go Moose Tracks which is really gonna be vanilla ice cream and then the Reese's chunks that are in there. Fourth to round it out with you guys I'm gonna go with a uh I'll go pistachio four. Oh so pistachio ice cream. As soon as I said that pistachio isn't my fourth favorite ice cream flavor. It was the fourth one that came to mind. It wouldn't be on the face mount or Mount Rushmore. It wouldn't. This is there now I can't rescind. the the bright lights amount Rushmore gets you and I just write you panic

Yeah, and I went pistachio a wild pick for a Mount Rushmore of ice and I really like pistachio gelato But I don't think I've ever gone to the store and bought pistachio ice cream. Yeah, it's a pistachio ice cream It's not one of those things. It's not like it's bad. It's just nowhere near the top four. It's not I they have a decent pistachio from hog and Doss but it's not you don't put it on a mountain. No, no, we're going so strong so strong It was like banger banger banger pistachio Okay, it's okay. I would put pistachio on my Mount Rushmore of nuts Mmm, I think that's like number it might be number one for me. Actually. I think that might be my favorite nut

I think I'd go peanut macadamia peanut. We're doing it again We're doing it again when it was the last time you had a macadamia you reach into a bowl of macadamia nuts literally What do you live in Hawaii? Yeah? Peanuts peanuts guy is is the most consistent nut out there and it's got you know do it with peanut butter Yeah, I mean peanut. It's a it's a double off the wall. You would be on my Mount Rushmore as well It's a duck peanuts are doubles off the wall. I enjoy peanuts, but you talk about a grand slam now. We're talking pistachio peanuts pistachios almonds I Like cashews. I also think pistachio is the best word to hear a midwesterner say

pistachio The the I just realized to the fattest thing. I just said was I like cashews, and I'm thinking about it I just like cashews when it's with like you know Chinese order yeah Chicken yes, I feel like cashews are the saltiest not yeah And you when you get a fully salted cashew it it really coats the mouth yeah But I just like cashews which with Chinese food yeah coats the bow it coats it does That's the saltiest nut.

It's a salty nut. Listen, I like salty nuts. Sometimes for me the nut is so salty that it's hard to swallow. No. The saltier the better. Oh, you love the saltiest nut. You don't like a salty nut? There's nothing worse than when you see like a thing of nuts and you take a little handful

and it's unsalted nuts. Unsalted nuts suck. Well what if there's pineapple? What if you've been eating pineapple? It's not so salty and you take a little handful and it's unsalted nuts Unsalted nuts suck. Well, what if there's pineapple if you've been eating pineapple? Sweeter yeah. Oh, yeah. Yes. We dirt. That's sure. That's a good point. Are you just putting this fine? Yeah Yeah, macadamia not no, no, I know Hawaii What about when you have to what about when you have to lick the nuts off your like glasses? Cuz so salty it never happens. Oh, okay It doesn't happen to you. No, I would never get sold on my glasses. Okay. What about on your chest? Maybe on my chest

If I'm laying in bed Your lane in bed eating nuts then you roll over a couple times you wake up in the morning You've got nuts on your lower back now. Yeah. Yeah. I guess that's possible. When you're eating really salted nuts are you using tissue paper? Like what are you using? Normally just a rag. Yeah, yeah. He's got it now. I got it the whole time. Max just rolls around the house with shamwows instead of napkins. Max, what's your Fire Fest? It's really me being an idiot and last week's fire fest, I thought I was allergic to my dog. Not allergic to my dog. Let's go $500 worth of like air purifiers for my apartment because I was freaking out absolute panic mode. It's just seasonal

allergies and that I'm, I'm a pussy for having that bad of seasonal allergies. Okay. And I got told online what was going on, and it was very obvious that my dog was just, we brought her to the park, and she was running around in the grass, and it was very high grass pollen. So that's why when I was petting her, I was getting more allergic

because she was carrying the pollen. Ah. Yeah, you were being a bitch. She was bringing that pollen into the house. Okay, okay. Whatever. What's the stuff? What's the stuff that that floats around and it looks like cotton? Like tree stuff? No, it's not pollen. I'm sorry. It looks like I know you're saying it like clumps together and it looks like snow on the ground. That's everywhere. That's really strange. I hate that. That's my mortal enemy is that tree stuff. Yeah. Yeah. All right

Well good for you max. Yeah, no, I'm back. I mean you are still pussy. Yep. Yeah. Yeah, cuz you're very allergic to trees Yeah, that's like that's as much of a pussy as you could be. Yeah, it really is like Like come on beta human. Yeah, that's one of those ones like you Natural selection we've maybe science has gone too far where where we've had drugs to help people deal with that. It's like that should have been something like, hey, if you can't take sniffing a tree, having a tree sent around, maybe you shouldn't be on this earth.

I'm just walking around with the sniffles, like such a child all week. Right now, I'm sitting next to memes, and memes are just like, take some allergy meds, because I just have the sniffles back here. I've noticed it's like you Jackie tables Nikki smokes a lot of allergies going around that's not that's me award seasons for NFL the yeah the I

also hate allergies just because I don't have any just want that on the record but I hate it because then real sick people use as an excuse they always just like an actual person with like the flu or cold will say no, it's just allergies like that's just not possible Mm-hmm, you're sick. So they just use it as a cover and get everyone sick Yeah memes. Yeah Okay, oh Shane does that oh they've got finger pointing Shane you do that I Oh, Shane does that? Oh, we got finger pointing. Shane, you do that? I get allergies sometimes. Okay. Oh, Shane, I have a question for you while you're here.

Yes, sir. What do we think about the Chargers' new throwback uniforms? I think they're gonna be sick. They're the same as their other uniforms. What do you... They had that... those are... Those are their current uniforms. They put out that post like, hey, we're excited to unveil the new alternate uniforms.

Yeah, that's... And then I looked at it And it would I could not tell the difference between that and their old uniforms who's actually not a Chargers fan anymore He was the last to find out yeah memes told him like five hours after it got unveiled That's not I saw Adam Shepter's tweet an hour later. I was had my head in my work five hours later It was oh, it was an hour brutal Shane. It was one hour. You gotta be on top of that shit I was had my head in my work Why did they why didn't they come out with a new you why are they telling us that this is a new uniform when it's

Identical to their old ones they are coming out new ones So the announcement was just that was there they're prepared like prepare yourself because we're about to drop a new uniform on you in Two months that was their current uniforms. Yeah, it was like just like a hype video I think they kind of leaked online some I Can send in the group some guy who is like behind the scenes? Photographer for chargers like took a picture of their current jerseys. Yeah on a on a whiteboard. There's like pin pictures Yeah, this is way too much

Shane's corner. But I'm excited. I hope they go with like the old like Navy white like with the white bolt like the early 2000s. Can you design one? Can you design the what you would like it to be? I mean it would just be their old jerseys. I can Photoshop something up. Yeah. Yeah, you like it. Give us Shane's versions like Taylor's version. Yeah Chargers uniform Shane's version Okay Let's finish show numbers three

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Means you're never going to get this I got, we got to start reminding him more often that he's never going to get it I got, we got to start reminding him more often that he's never going to get it Cause he literally is never going to get it Somebody put a tracker For the days Until they pass out. How much more time?

It's like, no it's like 44. 44! Ooh. It's like 340 days. It's that long? Yeah, it's like a year. People forget how long Hank went without getting it. It was crazy.

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