Pardon My Take - Tiger’s Tarik Skubal, World Chess Number 1 Magnus Carlsen, Panthers Dominate Game 3, Plus Guys On Chicks

Episode Date: June 11, 2025

Panthers dominate the Oilers in Game 3 and Edmonton is in must win territory (00:00:00-00:07:48). We get ready for NBA Finals Game 3 and talk other ball (00:07:48-00:20:18). Hot Seat/Cool Throne including the Wizards somehow being a part of the Finals and US Open course talk (00:20:18-00:47:06). Detroit Tigers Ace Tarik Skubal joins us in studio to talk about winning the Cy Young, how much money he’s going to make, being a Hoss and tons more (00:47:06-01:38:32). The Greatest Chess Player in the world Magnus Carlsen joins the show to talk chess, being the GOAT, his loss last week, competitive chess world and more (01:38:32-02:20:06). We finish with Guys on Chicks (02:20:06-02:35:12).You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/pardon-my-take

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after not only beating the Oilers on the ice in terms of goals but beating the fuck out of them in fights this feels like the Oilers are on some dangerous dangerous territory. Yeah I was happy that the Oilers in theory fought against the Panthers at the end of the game that as a hockey expert my plan whenever you get your ass kicked in a series and you want to shift it around just get into a massive line brawl at the end of that game that as a hockey expert, my plan, whenever you're getting your ass kicked in a series and you want to shift it around, just get into a massive line brawl at the end of that game and just try to change the energy up somehow. I'm glad that theoretically they did that, but then they kind of all got their ass beat. They lost all five fights by the Panthers. Now there was one move that they should have done that they did not do.

Why didn't Skinner fight Bob? Hmm it change everything? It would have changed everything. Yep. If you lose five fights, but your goalie beats up their goalie. That's that's a wash. Yeah, that's like that's even as far as I'm concerned. But both goalies kind of chose to stay out of it at the end. But on the ice, there was nothing that the Oilers could do Sam Bennett, shift of the year, oh, shift of the year for that one shift where he knocked the fuck out of McDavid and scored a goal. He's insane. That might be the best shift I've ever seen. He

has, I think he has like 10, 10 plus playoff goals right now. He's out of control. Marshawn still, he started the scoring like he's just scored in every single game. The Panthers too, they're in some pretty crazy territory. The teams in NHL history have four plus goal victories against four different opponents in a single playoff run. It is the 1981 Islanders, that was a dynasty, the 1983 Islanders, dynasty, they won four in a row, and the 2025 Panthers.

So every single round, they've just been kicking the shit out of their opponent at least once a once a series sometimes more. And I don't know. I listen I I believe Whitney and that there's gonna be a long series but game four I'm gonna say it must win must win for the oilers. But then I was thinking about it because I was like oh this is a must win. The Oilers did come back from down 3 0 last last year to force a game 7 so there's something in there but I feel like this is the way that game went and and we said it Bob is gonna get locked in he was locked in it feels like it's gonna be a big tall task for the Oilers if they lose on Thursday night I'm trying to see what the what were the

scores of the first two games last year last year first three games So game one Panthers three Oilers zero game two four to one and then four to three in game three Game four is where it all flipped the series flipped Yeah, it ended up flipping back again, but the pan the Oilers won game four last year eight to one Yeah, so yeah, I would say it's a must-win. It's a must-win agree Yes, you just it it will sound stupid But debt being down if the Panthers win especially like they did on Monday night if they do the same thing on Thursday night I would say that it feels different than being down 3o and I know that's crazy But 3o 3o always you have the like the game after three the game four where it's like the team

It's up 3o is probably not gonna there's no urgency yeah and then they got into that like going back to add Edmonton dragging them back and all that stuff I don't know but you're also gonna win this we're also talking about what they did last year after they were down 3o they did end up losing that sir correct so that's why you don't want to be down they do have games seven at home this year that That's true. Which Whitney, I gotta say, I love Whitney so much. What a fucking genius move by him because I opened my eyes on Monday morning and the first like three tweets I saw was Whitney gives you guys so much. You guys won't go to game seven with him. And it was just, I don't know if he did that on purpose, but a genius, genius move by there was a lot of,

a lot of guilt-tripping Yeah, it's all fair. This is fair. So perfectly. This is good. This is good stuff I I want to see this go seven I still do and I don't think that the Oilers are done and that was a great Mathematical breakdown that we did right there, which is like you'd rather be down I'd rather 3o than 3 1 or would you rather be down 3 1 and 3o I'd rather be down 3o than 3 1 what about you Hank? rather be down 3-1 than 3-0. I'd rather be down 3-0 than 3-1. What about you Hank? 3-1. You'd rather be down 3-1? Yeah. I think statistically more teams are coming back from 3-1. Probably. Yeah you're right. You're right. It does sound stupid but I just think vibes wise. I know

what you're saying. 3-0 you can kind of sneak up on them. 3-1 you can't. Again they did lose the series. You're down 3-0 you're probably going to like game four that's a gimme. Right. You're going to win that one. Right. And then it's like, all right, now we're just one. Yeah. And also when you're down three, oh, if you can win game four and five, all the pressure flips back. Whereas if you're down three, one, it's not like it's never happened where, you know, three, one lead has been like, you know, that balance of pressure where it's like, Holy shit, are they going to blow a three Oh lead. You don't want to be tied 3-3 because you're gonna lose that game 7 correct That's what we've learned correct. Yeah, except for last year. No, they the Oilers lost games

Oh, I thought I'm on the Panthers. Yeah. Yeah. No, the Panthers are a problem They are really fucking good. So so good and they just like I said It's one thing to win by five goals to then win five fights You can't have a better you can't annihilate a team more than that Yeah, I I would have liked to see Skinner throw Chuck some knocks out there drop the gloves They're not sponsored by super glue. I agree with you. I agree with you goalie fight something something like goalie fight just hits perfectly Alright, so game three of the NBA playoffs is tonight Do we have any thoughts?

I have one bad thought for the Pacers. The Pacers. Indianapolis, they have renamed some of the streets for some of the players on the Pacers. Okay, that feels like a like you. We just went through this. Why? Why would you do this?

What are they? And again, it's it's I'm not blaming Pacers fans or the Pacers. I'm blaming the You know politicians who try to get involved in sports top and have Turnerly top and have actually sounds like a pretty cool spot. That sounds like an awesome slot. Yeah, Halliburton Road I don't know. This feels feels ominous Halliburton Road doesn't really roll off the tongue We tried that in Iraq Yeah, that's true. That's true top and have is that's a keeper. Yeah top it leave that street sign up no matter what?

Yeah, that is absolutely keeper I'm not changing my take even though if I was thinking this in the middle of game one which the Pacers that came back to win, but It just seems like this is gonna be a blowout series for one but again I was thinking that in the first half of the first game I was like the Pacers don't stand a chance they obviously won that game but after game two I I'm sticking with it what are we thinking the courts gonna look like silver told us anything about the the Indy court I don't know they had have time. They could easily make a fix. I think I'm going to stay with four to thunder. Okay, I feel I feel confident in that as well. I'll piggyback with you. Do we want to put together a parlay which we haven't been able to hit but we're going to hit one? Yeah, can we all just can we all just agree to just hit it? Why don't we just take a beat just to make sure that we feel good with our bets.

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Okay, boys, what do we got? What do we got? I'm keeping it simple thunder minus five and a half Thunder minus five and a half Okay Should I do an alternate or is that because we just got it? We got a win We got see one go and got a win one all right throw in um, but then then Jackie tables always screws us Aaron Neesmith Throw in um, but then then Jackie tables always screws us Aaron knee Smith What's your pick you love PFT Give us your pick you love PFT

Okay, my pick that I love I'm actually I've got two that I love so I got a sort of that I haven't you Aaron knee Smith over 20 Or sorry over 19 and a half Points rebounds and assists. Okay. I haven't done a pacer yet in this series time for me to get involved with the pacer i love this one this is also a pacer okay nimhard 12 plus points okay let's get nimhard in here that's good because when nismith and nimhard like you can get him confused in the court Yeah, go shit. At least we get something. Yep. Yeah, let's get them hard Which one did you say how many points BFD 12 plus 12 plus let's go. I am doing

Lou Dort Oh eight plus Wow going reverse reverse or what he did. He scored three the other night. Yep, I will say this six to one Odds odds aren't great on this one, but you know what we need to see one go through the exact We gotta see one go through the hoop who's screwing up the odds mine was minus 125. Okay, that's fine I was mine was mine 165. Oh, huh? 12 points for you. I got in them hard. Oh, 12 points. I got him. I got him hard. Oh, I said knee Smith, 20 points rebounds

in a hold on. Hold on. Come on. Check that. Zach. This is why we got you out there. You should be. Well, I'm trying to come up with a pick and do that. You didn't know we're going to do this. Zach, you should have been, I, you, I also got to find it. Like I am learning your guys picks on the spot and you have to navigate the DraftGangs app Exactly as Max doing it at the same time Max are you excited for the new? What did you what did you pick knee Smith over points rebounded assist 20? Oh, I keep doing knee Smith for PFT I'm Smith and them harder confusing you know this I do we just said that then it's great that we have both of them

Max 13 the one we're back. Oh, that's great. Love it max. Are you excited for? The new Philly stadiums being built by the guy who built the sphere maybe he'll build a sphere Did you guys yeah, I did not know that yeah pretty cool, right? I I thought you guys had new stadiums Yeah, the bank no we're just getting we're getting a new basketball. Yeah, is cool, right? I I thought you guys had new stadiums. Yeah the bank. No, we're just getting We're getting a new basketball. Yeah, is it basketball hockey? No, I think it's gonna be separate. Where are the Flyers going? I think they're staying. Oh So Josh Harris, I am not a new Jersey thing No, that was that was the thing

Now that's no long So they building a basketball arena right next to the old basketball arena and keeping the old basketball I don't know they change like literally every 15 minutes first first it was going to Center City like in the middle of Center City Philadelphia then it was going to Jersey then it was going back back to where originally was I agree with you I feel like going forward every new sports arena that gets built Don't fucking tell us anything until the ground is in the shovel. I'm so sick of it

Arlington Heights soldier field like all this back. It's hard to keep up with when you put a Shovel into the ground. I will pay attention Yeah, it's just it's all dates that are just so far out there It's just how long does it take to make a stadium? It's like two or three world football. I think it's like two or three years two years. Okay. I also don't know It probably I say I got caught right there in a let me just try to say something confident I I would guess it matters what part of the country it's in too because some parts of the country you can't build you can't Yeah permits and also you might have to sell the parking rights to UAE and then that takes some time to get the deal done. Okay, so if I took four years, okay

So I feel that's also good weather. Yes, so like if it's up north what maybe land also they did weird shit with it Yeah, they left the roof kind of open built that like go ahead 2031 is when like that why do I care about? 2031 agreed and it is still gonna to be shared with the flyers. Oh OK. So you were long. How long does it. All right. So how long does it take to build a NBA arena. Three years. I must say that's probably two. Yeah. 18 to 30 months. OK. So that's that's that's about two years. And the sphere guy is doing this one. The sphere guy is doing's kind of cool. Oh, sphere fame. Yeah. Yeah. So that means that Josh Harris has the sphere guy on speed dial.

So maybe my stadium might get done by the sphere guy to you get you're gonna get speared up. Fuck Yeah. NFL stadiums are usually two to four years. US bank stadium. I think that's Minnesota, right? Yep. That was two and a half years. So so so so if I did some weird shit yeah they definitely tried to make it all LA well Rich Eisen was personally approving each blueprints right to go back and forth and they also were like let's make sure we build an indoor stadium that could be delayed by thunder and lightning we were at the first game ever at US Bank we were yeah that's right holy shit that was preseason game Jeff Fisher. Yep

Yeah, good call Hank. Oh my god that Minnesota State Fair was a lot of fun That was our milk chugging days. Yeah, we were just chugging milk all the time and Shaw and Shaw. Mm-hmm She's like, oh, here's a video but let us add some chon milk. We should We should do that. We should do that again once just a 10 year anniversary Yeah, just like yeah like a throwback like just one day do all of our the milk mile Get a goldfish for one day kill it. Mm-hmm It would probably die on its own because we're we have a bad history with it Alright, do we have other sports stories? Yeah, the CJ Stroud update. Oh

CJ Stroud we're very concerned about his shoulder. Mm-hmm because he wasn't throwing Because he was dealing with general soreness and he spoke to the media today and he said I'm fine, man So he's fine, man. Oh, he's fine man, man. I'm fine, man. He said also I did not have surgery Oh, I did not get surgery or anything like that. So just to go out there and say like it's the my I did not get surgery t shirt has has people asking a lot of questions that are already answered by the t shirt. Yes. Yes. Okay. So he did not get surgery. He's fine. I'm asking. Okay. Also, we saw Aaron Rogers in a Steelers uniform. What do you think?

For the first time. Helmet's still weird. Yeah. He said about playing in 2025, I don't need it for my ego. I don't need it to keep playing. This was a decision that was best for my soul. Okay. Huh. That feels like he does need it for... His ego not maybe not ego But he said I don't need it to keep playing that does that feels like you do because your soul needs you to play

Yeah Also, I would say so also J. Alexander got cut Mark Murphy Just probably the meanest quote ever when he said we're used to not having him. Mm-hmm. What kind of facts? Yeah, very big fat and then they asked asked Miles Garrett about Aaron Rogers in the division. He said, I think it's a good opportunity to put him in the graveyard. Oh, so I like this. Oh, also, Aaron Rogers has been married for a couple of months. Yeah, apparently. Apparently, he's got a.

He confirmed it's a wedding ring on his finger. How long has he been married? Been a couple of months. OK, good for him. Is he married to the game? Or is he married to another human being? Love is love. Love is love. I personally go with the no girls aspect for my quarterbacks. The Jared Kravis married to the game. Yeah, he

were a ring for a while. I also got a little excited because they did announce the first game day. So that was it was just like, Hey, week one's coming soon. Lee Corso. Obviously. It's gonna be Ohio State. And Columbus against Texas. But it was just like, oh yeah, football is.

I'm not wishing away that some people get mad when I do countdowns for football, but I love it. You can appreciate the summer while also being like, I can't wait for football, which is kind of a part of the summer. Right. I can't wait for football which is kind of part of the summer right I can't wait for football I'm sorry it's okay I've been kind of daydreaming about it whenever I tweet I can't wait for college football that is literally that's the only thought in my head at that moment when I tweet it that's what that pops in my head randomly it's usually like it's nice

outside striving like man you know it could be better football. I tell you who looks good in Steelers uniform is DK. DK does. DK looks like he was like he was born a stealer. He looks fierce. Uh, Zach, do you have a college football team? So I didn't go to a university big enough that would have a team that would play. I do as a, as a child, we would root for Miami hurricanes, but I would like to

say any team coming out of the state of Florida, when they progress, I do like to see the would root for Miami Hurricanes, but I would like to say any team coming out of the state of Florida When they progress I do like to see the state win Okay Rooting for the state That was a tough year a couple years ago, remember they lost like there was that first weekend ever that all the Florida teams lost There's quite a few of those Yeah, yeah Exactly

Catch a pop Let's do an all time ranking of Florida football teams Okay, 1-1 I'm gonna go with Tim Tebow, Gators No, I mean just like the schools. Oh, that was good. Yeah, you go Okay, we're stress testing you. All right. So one I'm just gonna go I like my hand Miami Hurricanes as of recently they're pretty sure they had the most NFL athletes to league ever for quite a long time There then second I'm gonna go with the Florida Gators or no I go second Florida State shot my brother graduate big degree shot Florida Gators third and then I'll go for the golf course fourth

FGC you see you see you dunk city Wow All right, UCF Blake Bortles UCF cool campus child Blake. Okay nice Alright, let's let's do hot seat chill thrown Then we got two unbelievable interviews coming up and we'll finish up with guys on chicks Okay before we get to hot seat chill thrown Listen guys, you got to watch the new show stick on Apple. I watched it. It is awesome There's three episodes out right now

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chill throne. Henry. My hot seat is Terry McLaurin. Oh, was that? I just, I don't understand. You know, the, the, the commander's had such a great year. They got a young quarterback. You would think they'd be excited to return and go after that Super Bowl. And I'm just hearing rumors from everyone, Steelers fans, Jets fans. It seems like they all think they're getting Terry McLaurin and I can't figure out why. Are the Steelers and Jets fans, are they in this room with you right now? Oh, I spent about five hours with Jersey Jerry yesterday. And then today, before we recorded, memes just like like Terry McLaurin jet. Mm-hmm

But hey, why would they even think he like how is it even possible? Okay? Hey, this is I know it's your first season watching football sometimes receivers they get they want more money Because if you play really well you get paid more money. Mm-hmm And so Terry commanders give that to I think they're going to give them that money Let me just do let's do a visualization put yourself in Terry McLaurin shoes Okay, you've been in the NFL for ice clothes for a long time. You are Terry McLaurin right now Mm-hmm been the NFL for a long time You've you just played last season with the only good quarterback you've ever had in your entire life Do you want to leave and then go somewhere

else with not so great a quarterback? Right. You don't know. I don't. I don't. I don't. So Terry wants to stay. The commanders want to keep them. You just want the most money you can get. That's what's happened. It's called a holdout in sports. He wants money. So he's coming back. He's coming. He's coming back. He's got a pam Yeah, what's his money? He'll be back if he if Terry McLaurin is not a commander next year. Oh Yeah, I was about to say something dumb they got a pam yeah, they got a pam. That's all they got a pam They're gonna pay him. I don't think I think the Trey Hendrickson situation is a little bit different Yeah, they got a pair

But they're going to yeah, you're gonna pay he's gonna be commander guaranteed. Yeah Yeah, we have yeah, this is just part of this is part of you know, the spring late spring Do you think he's mad about Teebo? I think he's excited about he's excited about Teebo I think he's mad that he wants to get paid more. It's not, it's nothing. It's not his personal. It's good. It is. This is sad. You trying to find drama. It's business. No, I, I, I, I've been hearing, like I made no sense to me when Jerry was saying, it made no sense to me. I'm just saying, so I came to the source to figure it out, but that makes sense. He'll be a commander. He wants more money. No doubt. Yeah. Uh, guaranteed guaranteed money. Wait, guaranteed. I guarantee money. I personally guarantee that they're going to pay himed guaranteed money wait guarantee Guaranteed money I personally guarantee that they're gonna pay him more guaranteed money, and he's gonna be a commander next year

And that's a guarantee okay? What's your children my children is Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds? Oh, we talked about it a lot on this show the the lost time and all that I remember all shows We did two times in a row. We talked about it if they're okay, right the two of them Yeah, they got the suit got thrown out a judge threw the suit out. Okay throughout the lawsuits Dealing a huge blow to the baldoni camp. Mm-hmm. Okay, so the suit is over. So they're back. They're back Like they're back Blake of the year. Okay,. I still don't fully understand the whole thing. Um, I don't know. I, I'm not a lawyer guy, but I feel like they probably just had better lawyers. I'm going to, you know what? I'm going to release a statement.

Just, uh, be, be nicer, be nicer to each other. And that's just for, that's not talking to one side or the other. That's just blanket. Hey guys, cut it out. Be nicer. Be a nice person. That's my take on this. Be a decent human. It costs zero dollars to be nice. That's true. I hope they learned a valuable lesson. Yeah. Be better. Be better. Be better. We can all be better. I expected more out of them. I'm just going to leave that out there. I expected both sides. I just said that that you don't know who them is. It could be talking about this could be I just expected more out of them. Same. Okay, I'm not taking a side. I have not. Right? No, I'm not. I was gonna

say I think I have but I don't I don't have our Blake and Ryan. Are they on the same side? Yeah, they're buried. Okay, so you'd hope so otherwise that'd be an awesome betrayal I that's what I'm rooting for. Yeah, I'm rooting for one of them to flip over to the baldoni camp now And then turn on their spouse. Yeah, that would rock sick. Love is dead. I'm not a moment, but that would be nice Hank did you get your Sydney Sweeney soap yet? I did not Oh must be in the mail on the way did you get some yeah, he did You know, he did. First of all, you know, he did. Love that. PFT. I got Napoleon's hair. Yeah. Yeah, that's on the way.

Sick. Do you think I could implant Napoleon's hair into my face? Yes. As like a beard strand? That would rock. My hot seat is golfers. Oh, golfers are on the hot seat. Because I saw we're starting to get the content that we predicted would happen. Yeah. The US open of like, holy shit, this course is going to be impossible. One was just a picture of a 289 yard par three, which is awesome. Insane. Can we bet on the winning golfer to have a score that's over par? Yes. I want to. Yeah, you can, you can, there's going to be listed in DraftKings, there will be like a winning score. I want to bet on winning score over par. I think this US Open is going to the course officially. I've seen enough of the content where now I fear this course.

Is it bad that I'm, you don't want Ru for favorites? Obviously I would love to see our guy Brooks do well. I'm going to bet on him. Obviously, I would love to see our guy Brooks do well I'm gonna bet on him, but I kind of want to see Scottie just dominated again Like I'm in this I'm in Scottie zone where it's like if he just keeps just kicking the shit out of everyone That would be awesome. What are you looking at Hank? I Don't any player to be bogey free through 72 holes What do you think the odds are for that? I think this is plus 150,000. Yeah, that's yeah, bad bet. Impossible. $2 to win 3000. Yeah, that's an

impossible bad bet. That will be that bet will be done by like halfway through Thursday. But I am I am rooting for Scotty. Does that make me lame? I don't know. I just I'm kind of in the greatness mode. I like rooting for rooting for greatness yeah but I also like rooting to see greatness fail at the last second who would you who would be your second pick it's like the I think the tell me if I'm wrong Hank you're looking at right now the odds are Scotty's a favorite then it's Bryson then it's Rory and I don't want a roof of Rory or Bryce Roy's giving up he doesn't care anymore oh really yeah is that a fact he said, uh, when he was doing media last week, he was like, yeah, I just,

it's after I won the grand slam, it's harder to, you know, practice as hard. Oh man. It's fair, but also he's, he's, he's me. I win the grand slam. I'm going even harder. Scotty Bryce and John Rom Rory Zander. Okay. All right. Xander Xander would be awesome. Matt for Xander Brooks would be nice good guy. I'm going to be a good guy. I'm going to be a good guy. I'm going to be a good guy. I'm going to be a good guy. I'm going to be a good guy. I'm going to be a good guy. I'm going to be a good guy. I'm going to be a good guy.

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I'm going to be a good guy. I'm going to be a good guy. I'm going to be a good guy. I'm going to be a good guy. I'm going to be a good guy. I'm going to be a good guy. I'm going to be a good guy. I'm going to be a good guy. I'm going to be a good guy. I'm going to be a good guy.'m just going to be like my father's day gift is I want to watch the US Open Yep, that's it. Then my cool throne is TJ's who have a love-hate relationship with Pittsburgh. Mmm So TJ watt is one of them. I think he's gone. I'm hearing he's gonna be a commander. Oh

Yeah, you're gonna Hank. Are you listening TJ watt? You just reversed it. So check this out. Just reverse TJ. Why or he's, he's been a great player on the Steelers, haven't really accomplished that much besides making the playoffs recently. Every year. He's going to cost a lot of money. I think he's unhappy and I think he wants to go. Who's going to pay him? I think the commanders don't have money.

I think the commanders have money. The commanders have money. They're not going pay in Terry So I yeah Tj Why it was Tj what Terry McClellan and then there was one other holdout Trey Hendrickson Trey Hendrickson Which that one is he's been holding out forever. Yeah that that one to me seems fracture I do think that TJ is gonna go back to Pittsburgh. He the only other place I can imagine Jersey guy I could imagine Tj watt Wearing a Green Bay Packers. Yeah, we said that a couple weeks ago.

It feels like that would be the only one that would make sense. Oh, also Jalen Ramsey, who? OK. He might get traded too. Yeah. Yeah. And then the other TJ, TJ Oshie, who has had some ups and downs with Pittsburgh as a Washington capital, he retired yesterday.

And he retired at the fountain in Georgetown, where he went for a swim after the Stanley Cup. Now Captain America, I think Captain America, go back and watch the highlights of him competing against Russia in those Olympics 2014. I think the best where it was, uh, it was the penguins coach and he just, he brought TJ cause he's like, one of these games is going to go into shootouts and I'm just going to run TJ Oshie out there against Bob. And it was just TJ dominating Bob to win that game. Over and over and over.

Which was good. Yeah, it was great to watch. But TJ didn't play this year. I thought that he was probably going to retire like two years ago actually. Yeah. But he finally made it official. So great player, Captain America. Thank you for your service, TJ.

Okay. And then your chill throw. That was my chill throw. Oh, that was your chill throw. It was TJ. TJs who have a love relationship with Pittsburgh. All right. My hot seat is the Washington Wizards. Okay. You ready for this? Oh wait. Yeah. Yeah. The Washington Wizards. All right. You ready for this? So this actually is kind of a combo hot seat for the for the Pacers. So the game three is Wednesday night. Did you know that a former Wizards player has won each of the last eight championships and there is one singular ex-Wizard in these finals on the Pacers, Thomas Bryant.

So they are now, the Wizards are on the hot seat. They got to win this to keep the streak alive. So 2017, Sean Livingston and JaVale McGee. 2018, Livingston and McGee. 2019, Raptors, Jody Meeks. 2020, Dwight Howard, McGee and Markeith Morris. 2021, Bobby Porter's. 2022, Gary Payton, the second Otto Porter Jr.

and Chris Chiozza. And then 2023, the Nuggets had KCP, Jeff Green, Ish Smith and Thomas Bryant in 2024 Hank Christops. So now you're on the hot championship DNA in Washington. It's like the, the NBA's farm system. Yeah. That's where you go to learn how to win. Yeah. Cause first you have to learn how not to lose. Right. And then the Lakers, when they almost beat the Nuggets that one year and they would have won the championship when they lost four to one, except they lost four to one in the series. They had Rui Hatchamora. Yeah, that's true.

So like these are great. All the greatest teams of the last what six years. This is a fun little wrinkles streak that we you know the Pacers are the Pacers and the Wizards are on the hot seat. So but if the Thunder win no one no dice no one no dice with them. And then that means maybe Chris Paul, championship loading for next year. Wizards legend. Yeah, well no, it would break the streak. It's a thunder. Yeah, that's true.

So we'd have to start a new streak. My cool throne is the Detroit Tigers because they're really good at baseball. We're gonna have Tarek Skubal on in a minute, which was awesome in studio. But the Tigers are averaging over 26,000 fans per game. 40% jump from this time last season. It's more, it's partially credit, you know, Tigers fans showing up, but also a reminder that anytime a baseball owner says,

no one shows up, if you put a good product on the field, fans will show up. And I hate that when that happens in sports where an owner will be like, well, we gotta move because the fans don't support us. No, you've been like gutting the team and gutting the city for years and years and years. Yeah, because you can make money as an owner with a bad team. And so a lot of owners are just like, I want to see my investment increase.

I don't really give a shit about the product. That's always bullshit. Did we talk about it on this show? I can't remember if the, I think they should have a new rule in all sports that if, call it five years. If you don't make the playoffs in five years, automatic sale. I like that. Like whatever the threshold is, that would be awesome. Because relegation is never going to come to American sports, but if you could relegate owners, that would be sick. That's probably for the same reason

not going to come to American sports. Of course. It's not. But I'm just talking about dumb rules that I'm going to start... Next time we have a commissioner on, I'm going to start saying it to them. But maybe not playoffs. Maybe it's have to be... You have to be over 500 because obviously playoffs are tough to get to in certain sports.

But some type of rule that if you don't field a competent team once, at least every five years, you automatically have to sell. And maybe, you know what? We say that you have to sell like 15% off. Or you get suspended as an owner. Whatever it may be. You don't get to hang out in your suite. You have to pay for it.

If you're an owner and your team doesn't make the playoffs in the first five years, you have to sit in the stands. Right. You're not allowed to sit away from the people because like baseball does the, the floor, the spending floor now, uh, but that still doesn't incentivize them to, to be good. It just incentivizes them that they have to spend a certain amount of money. So I don't know, just a rule out there. Could I throw it out there? Could I pitch pitch to to people What are you looking up the celery cap floor? Yeah, and I know baseball has one now. I can't remember what it is Zack is are you googling? I don't know. I think they're talking about it I thought there was one no because in order to have a floor you have to have a cap. Oh, that's what they're oh, that's right

That's what they're negotiating right now, and I do think the celery cap floor has a possibility to pass. I think that there's a good chance it could pass because of this problem that we have. So we need the floor. But right now, it was NBA is the one. Yes, right now. NBA has a floor. Right now in baseball, the owners

don't have to spend anything if they don't want to. That's right. Which is why you get teams like the Oakland A's. The baseball one that I was thinking of is they have changed it so that you can't tank every year and get the first pick. Yes. You they they move where you are on the order. But the NBA salary floor is does exist. Yeah. So we might. How about it should just be owners. If you don't if your team if your team sucks every single year you have to sell the team. Yeah. And

we and and we get to decide the price. Yeah. And don't make your money back. Don't make your money back. That would be sick. Because then you buy a team and you're just like, I have to do it. There's pressure. If you don't make the playoffs within the first five years of buying a team, you have to sell the team and the max you can get is exactly what you paid for the team. And that means that all the money, which is probably not that much if your team sucks, all the money that you've spent in the interim, that's all just lost money. Yeah, I kind of like that. And also think about how thrilling it would be if you root for like a Colorado Rockies and you're on year five and you haven't been

to the playoffs or say be over 500. Like that's a, now that season becomes very interesting because you might be rooting, you're rooting for your team to maybe win some games, but you're also rooting for the automatic sale to take place. Then all of a sudden some shitty teams will become massive, massive buyers at the trade deadline and get like one year rentals. And then they could go back to being shitty at, but still they'll at least say, be good for a little bit. It'd be interesting to watch. I think we need this rule. We're gonna pitch it to Adam Silver

when he comes on again. Rob Manfred, just forget salary cap floor, ownership. Ownership relegation. Maybe they have to go own like a triple A team. I like that. That would also bump them down. You just relegate the owners. I do think making them sit in the stands

with the fans would be, that would go a long way. Have them face the music. Every single game Yep, yeah Okay Zack you have a hot seat cool drone Yes, sir, I can do that for you. Yeah, I got one for you. Let's go hit us and so hot seat I do have a Tim Cook from Apple's in the hot seat today. Oh me

IOS 26 previews are coming out and it's it looks atrocious So I don't know if you guys have seen any of the Know what's going on with it? So it looks like it looks like finger painting and a little bit like abstract art everywhere It's a the theme just like It looks like painting glass. Okay, stacking the notifications up over that. You can't see anything Oh, yeah, all the notifications are clear. That's weird. They're stacking clear notifications on clear wallpapers I'm also in the zone where I'm just my phone is just breaking because the new phone's coming out What are they trying to get you? What are they trying to condition us to do here?

Why are they why are they doing this new thing? What is this? I just think they're it's too far of a reach So I go the people are gonna love this we need to be more innovative and they're just taking away all All things you can see it's just clear. It's unusable. Mmm. It's very frustrating Are they trying to make us Tim Cook should go are they trying to make us hate? The iPhone so that will be more likely to get a chip implanted in our brain mmm An apple chip in the brain yeah, I mean it's common. You guys now for a chip I don't want it, but it's gonna happen I'm gonna gonna have to get and when I get up then when I get it

I'll be like how did I ever live without this chip? Yeah chip to death so it's chipper be left behind correct choice We just have to chip yeah, everybody chips in um would you get the chip? I'd have to get the chip. Yeah, we'd make I wouldn't want to okay Yeah, I make you get the chip first to see how it goes chip. Yeah I wouldn't want to okay. Yeah, I make you get the chip first to see how it goes chip. Yeah Your you're getting paid. Yeah, I can do that. That's a good hot seat though I didn't even know they were doing the IOS So is this automatically updating our phones overnight if you have auto updates on maybe if you have storage Yes, if you don't have storage probably not if you don't have auto updates on no, what was the

Reaction like when they they unveiled this because I Because I love watching the Apple conferences where they like unveil They show like a pair of glasses on the screen and then everyone like claps and they're like, oh my god Oh my they clap for products like little seals. So, you know in the room They're all going crazy for Tim Cook and Apple, but the response online is just like we don't know about this Tim Okay, we got a bully too good. Listen, we're gonna have to bully It's facts. All right. What's your children? Children my children for today is DDG who's a youtuber of? Former flex rapper current twitch streamer, okay

I know what all those words mean, but I looked at Hank and he was like what's what are those so can what's a? What's a flex rap? Yeah, so a flex wrapper. Flex wrapper would be a... A YouTube wrapper. So, the flex position, not always wrapping, sometimes wrapping. Oh, flex like... Flex like, yeah. Flex like, yeah. Like, a YouTuber one day might go in a booth, do some wraps. Conte creator that does wraps.

Slash. Got it. Slash, perfect. That would have made more sense, yes. Slash, the Cordell Stewart, yeah. And so, sooner he reported, he gave us a little peek behind his analytics recently reporting twelve point three million from the month of May Between ad ad revenue ads since twitch prime subs Spotify streams etc, and he's also been spotted quite a few times with the

Instagram sweetheart India love recently. Oh, okay, which is all time. It is all that is Dog move by him all time. Yeah certified stamp it Oh, yeah, are we living vicariously through a little bit? Yeah? Yeah, like certainly massive dub DDG all caps wdg shot of indie love yeah is india love on your list She's like first round second pick probably first round second One one yeah, who's one one? One one probably takeame Money, Texas based rap woman. Oh, is this is this hot rappers or hot women? Hot women. What's what would

your third pick be? I don't have a theory off the top of my head there a little bit. They'd be interchanging. Who's on your Mount Rushmore of women all time? Oh in what in what fashion it just women women Top four women not open ended in that Yeah, yeah, I understand kind of open ended Top four women of all time. This is this is it. We're listen. We're about to be out Mount Rushmore season So we got a stress test all four women top four women of all young in any capacity any capacity There's There's a lot. Yeah, there's a lot of women is there we want to pigeonhole this at all

They're just straight and I think there's one that you gotta make there's one pick you gotta make there's one I have to make yeah Your own mom you have to pick your own mom. Can she go in the mountain? Yes. Yes moms one one. Yeah We're getting a little personal there mom's one one. Yep, every every and even if you guys pick my mom take a mom as well Okay, sorry overstep So we'll do mom one one we'll go Say money Rush where I don't know yeah, but you can mix it up I guess it's open-ended yeah, I had too much respect my mother put a money next to her on the Mount Rush

Okay, would your mom get along with Tate money? I'm not sure okay. I'm not really sure Don't know her well enough. No my mom well enough not take money. Okay. Yeah, so yeah moms up top one one Other women we are the one there's tons of other women. Yeah, but I'm not worse more. Yeah, are you Catholic? No, I don't practice the Catholic religion. Okay, alright. So you were thinking maybe Mary? I was thinking maybe Mary, trying to save you with God. I appreciate that. Shout out to Mary. I think religion is great for a lot of people, you know what I'm saying?

So shout out to Mary, she's a good guide. So we can throw Mary on there. So my mom, Mary. I think you can go mom, Mary, Tate Money, Susan B. Anthony. Done. We'll swap that for Michelle Obama and we're done. Okay, which one? Now we'll go Susan B. Yeah, yeah Susan B. Well, I thought you were swap take money for Michelle Good my rush for your mom take money Susan B Mary and then if one of them does something to get canceled

We could replace them with Michelle. Yeah. Like if your mom said something, but then Michelle Obama goes on there. We'll take Michelle out of the flex bomb. We'll put the little Debbie woman up there because I love those. Oh, okay. That's a good pick. Good pick. Okay. Good job. That feels good. Stress testing Mount Rushmore. Wendy's going to be upset. Let's get to our interviews. We got Tarek Scoobel and then the Goat Chess Grandmaster, Magnus Carlson. Okay, before we get to our awesome interview with Tarek Scoobel in studio, Shady Rays, you know that moment, the one where you realize you left your favorite sunglasses at the beach or on the roof of your car at a gas station three states away.

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Haas, number one pitcher in baseball. Can I say that? Right now? Yeah. You can say it, I won't say it. Okay, I'm gonna say it. Cy Young winner, Cy Young winner. Sounds good.

Yeah. I like that. Yeah, and you're also doing it again this year, like crushing it, so in studio, awesome to see you. I actually, let's start with just pitching. Let's just go straight to pitching because we, last time you were on after you won the Cy Young, you were saying something, I think PFT asked the question about like, uh, getting it like going faster than like 102. And it's like, you're like,

I'm kind of topped out at that. That's kind of what it is. You had a game this year where you had a complete game shutout where you went 103 in the ninth? How did that happen? Yeah, I don't know. I I mean, I don't know but I think you know when I took the mound for the ninth inning And I'm going back out there the whole stadiums kind of chanting your name and you don't really think that like when you're young You don't think that that's a possibility to have that happen So I just kind of took a moment and enjoyed it. And then the adrenaline like spiked big time. And then I got into an O2 count

and I knew a fastball was coming. And I'm like, this is either gonna be the hardest pitch of my life and be nowhere near the zone. And then I have to make another one or this game's over. And it just so happened he swung. I mean, it wasn't really close to the zone, but he swung over it and it just kinda, that is what it is. It was an awesome moment.

Also, did I read correctly the pitch comp didn't work in the ninth inning because it was so loud? It was loud, yeah. So I have it on like, so it goes up to like 20 or whatever and I have it on like 14 for most games. And then if you're in a dome, you turn it up a little bit because it's just naturally louder. But I had it on 14, couldn't hear a thing with two strikes

there and then I was you know putting my glove over still couldn't hear turn it up to 20 and then it got quiet when that whole thing happened and now I'm like dude I think he can hear what pitch is coming but yeah I mean it was it was gonna be a fastball I think no doubt and then you just kind of let it rip and that's what happens I think everybody knew what pitch was coming. It was like you're gonna reach back You're gonna you're gonna throw his heart. That was the last pitch of the game, right? Yeah, you hit one. Oh one Oh three is that one or two point six? So round up. No, it's 103. Do we count that as 103? Yeah, I don't but you guys can I count that as 103. It's your 103 on the broadcast

Yeah, it always rounds up for us, which is sweet. Yeah, I want to three. That's pretty great You've been throwing less fastballs though. Has that been like a conscious? I mean obviously less since when you first came in I think you were throwing like half your pitches for fastballs now. It's your change-up Was that something in the offseason you're like this is just a way I'm gonna get even better Those those are good questions for our catchers Okay, cuz I'm like I you know I I don't shake a ton and we go over game planning stuff and you have a plan of what you want to do and then

the game tells you what you need to do the lineup tells you the at bats dictate what pitch is thrown and Our catchers do a great job And if the change-ups work and it's and they're swinging and missing and I'm getting a lot of positive results I'm gonna keep throwing it and I think that's kind of where the uptick in usage is and I get nine righties a game damn near every time. So I need something to go to my arm side so that way they're not just the ball just consistently coming into them. So yeah that's kind of the point of it. I saw on the last pitch of the game it looked like the leg kick was just as high as it

normally is. Do they have advanced stats to show how high you're getting the leg? I bet I could pull some Hawkeye data. It was at home, so I bet I could pull something to see. But yeah, I mean, that's as hard as I can throw a baseball no matter, you know how I said that last year? I actually think that that's as hard as I can throw a baseball. Yeah, so that's the limit?

So the next year you're gonna come in and we're like, hey, remember when you threw 104 in the playoffs? You're like, oh yeah, I guess that's the hardest I can throw. Well, if I'm in the ninth inning in a playoff game, then that's something different. I bet that would actually be harder than that, but you're It was the the adrenaline from the crowd no down in the ninth inning So you just need the crowd to be exactly that loud and you can keep dialing it up

Yeah, I guess so yeah, you're right. I mean there's 36,000. It's an 11 35 game so like the fact that the fans showed up for an 1135 game so like the fact that the fans showed up for an 1135 game I got a ton of you know respect for and then you know you're doing something like that and we just lost three to Cleveland in a row and we're kind of trying to salvage a series and There's a lot of kind of emotions that went into that game that made it special sounds like you love Detroit. I love Detroit Yeah, yeah, I do yeah like for the rest of life love Detroit Sure, like we could sign a contract right now. We'll only take 5% I think Scott Boris. We've met him We've been to his offices. Yeah, PFT Offices I took a big shit

It's about that time no, but that's a sign of dominance. I waltzed into his office I took a dump and I feel I feel like now. Yeah, Scott Boris looks up to me as a man Yeah, he respects you for sure. Yeah, we could get this done today. Yeah, you guys walk in and see all the baseballs Oh, yeah, that's like a he's like a Darth Vader of baseball when you walk in you're just like holy shit This office is impressive. So of baseball when you walk in, you're just like, holy shit, this office is impressive. So, real question, and then we'll do the negotiation. Is it difficult sometimes to be playing

in a season like this being like, there's a lot of money coming? Like, it's like, you're human, you know what I mean? You can't not think about it at all, but are you able to like compartmentalize? Yeah, I think when our team's doing what we're doing, I mean, we got 40 wins or whatever it's the whole contract and money stuff kind of goes to the side because

We're winning so much and that's that's the ultimate goal is to win You know, you want to be the last team winning, you know with a win in the season. So It makes it easier in that aspect, you know And last year when we traded away guys It did become a little bit more difficult to pitch because I knew that I was chasing down an award and stuff and then we went on that run and it kind of took all that shit away. So winning, I say this a lot, winning cures everything. You know, winning is, it's a band-aid that, you know, it doesn't matter if it's a bullet

hole, whatever, you know, it cures everything and you just kind of go play baseball. So that's kind of the, yeah, I think winning is, it takes a lot of that stuff off your mind as a player. Dumb question maybe, but when, cause the season is so long in baseball, when does losing, when is, what's a losing streak that like, okay, it becomes a bummer? Cause obviously you can lose two games in a row,

you can lose three games in a row, that's just baseball. Is there a number where you're like, well, this fucking sucks? I was actually joking around this year when we got swept by the Dodgers to start the season. I was like, I walked to AJ, I go, hey Skip, are we ever gonna win again? Yeah, right, right.

Three's a long time, but like, I mean three happens, you know, we just did it to Cleveland and then we rattled off five straight wins. So the game, the ebbs and flows of baseball are a little bit different. But I mean, if you're losing four in a row, if you get swept by a team for four games,

that's like, that was a long series, you know? And it's half a week of games playing, you know, four or five. I've been on teams that have lost 13 in a row and that is like, that is like legitimately miserable. You know, you don't even want to go to the yard anymore. You're like, when's the last bus? When's the first bus out of here?

Can I get treatment during the game so I don't have to watch us lose again? Yeah, losing sucks. Yeah, is there always some guy that's trying to lighten the mood in the clubhouse and they try it in different ways, if it's a losing streak, and at some point you just have to stop trying to joke your way out of it?

What is that like? Yeah, I think sometimes it's like when you start losing, guys tend to try a little bit harder and then you realize that's probably the wrong thing to do. Maybe try a little bit less and just play the game of baseball, no stress. I think that we have guys in our clubhouse that keep it light.

Jake Rogers is like that guy where, our team is funny too. Torque's one of those guys too where he can have a horrible at bat, horrible at bat and come in and be like, I saw him well. That's like, I see what he is. Greenie yesterday in the first inning,

I think we hit two homers or whatever, but he's the one who struck out in between the homers. And he comes in and he's as happy as anyone. And he's like, yeah, I saw him well too. But I'm like, dude, you struck out. He's like, no, but I saw him well. So that's that running joke. Or when our team has a horrible swing,

we'll scream to the umpires, like check him. No, ask for help. No, he's not even close to hitting it. So our team does a good job of keeping it pretty light. And we enjoy it. I feel like that's important in baseball too. No doubt. You play every day.

You have a bat at bat and you say, I saw it well. Even if you're joking and you're lying about just saying it out loud, there's a part of you that might believe it. And it's such a mental thing where it's like, OK, I'm still in a positive mindset. So next time I go up, I'm not going to be bummed out thinking about all the negative things that could happen.

No doubt. No doubt. I think it's funny, as pitchers, we'll throw a pitch that's 40 feet, right? And I bet everyone watching is like, how does a professional athlete do that? And then our dugout is probably screaming like, hey, you can't get beat there. You know, great pitch. You can't get beat there. They can't swing.

Or you throw a fastball to the back of the, off the netting over him. It's like, hey, you can't get beat there, man. Yeah. You can't get beat. They can't put the bat on it. So whatever, onto the next pitch. I feel like I get my ass kicked right away because someone would strike out It's like, hey, you can't get beat there, man. Yeah, yeah, can't get beat. They can't hit put the bat on it. Yeah, whatever. On to the next bit. I feel like I get my ass kicked right away because I just someone would strike out and be like, that was a great cut. Like just keep saying that over and over. No, great cut. No, it's hilarious. I mean, there's moments where maybe bigger moments this these things kind of tend to happen earlier in

the game. Later in the games, it's a little bit, you know, you kind of pick and choose when you're going to mess around. But and then score of the game kind of dictates that you know if we're getting our ass beat like there's I'm not gonna And when our guy checks swings, and it's a bad swing I'm not gonna yell out like hey check you know the umpire or whatever But I think that's our team's fun in that aspect right we just we're young we have fun We enjoy it. You know you have a bad swinging bunt. That's like goes five feet foul You'll you know you'll hear someone from the dugout, like, straighten it out.

I think that that's hilarious to me, and we just kinda keep that same vibe. Yeah, I heard a nasty rumor about you. Well, first, I'm gonna give you some credit, because in your last 10 games, your five and oh, your ERA is 1.66. Whew. You've got 8.0.

0.03 from being really good. 0.03 from being really, really.03 from being really really good. 89 strikeouts and three walks in your last ten games. 89 strikeouts and three walks. That's crazy. We want to give you all the credit of the world again. We want to build you up. We want to see you get this massive contract. Hopefully stay in Detroit for a while. But I came across something very concerning about you. You cheat at crossword puzzles. Oh Dude, they're fucking hard. We got a guy here who just got exposed for cheating at crossword puzzles a big deal It's a big deal. Yeah, but do you feel accomplished?

Do you feel like you you did something if you cheat at the crossword puzzle? Yeah, I I try my best to do it By myself every day, right? I try my best to do it. How fast do you cheat like what? By myself every day, right? I try my best to do it. How fast do you cheat like what? So point are you going to cheat it? Okay? Yeah So if I you know, i'll go through every single clue, right? And then you know you go through the crossword Sometimes they flow, you know like you'll have the top left and it'll flow to the middle and you get some letters and it'll flow to the bottom right and then You kind of got to start taking some shots in the dark on the bottom left or top right. Yeah

You kind of got to start taking some shots in the dark on the bottom left or top right. Yeah And once I get to a point where I literally don't know how to do anything. I've read every clue twice I've done it all twice. That's what I usually call Jake Rogers I'm like a Jake like can you change one of these clues look at what I have What's the most important word for me to go forward? You know what's gonna give me the most usually it's like a it'll be like something down because it'll give you the start for like five other words. And he'll just like change the clue for me. And then I'm like, oh yeah, way better clue for me. And I'll write it in, you know?

And then I'll go and if I get stuck again, then I'll ask again, but that's kind of the- Oh, so you don't Google it, you just ask him? Well, yeah, I mean, sometimes I have to if he's not around Yeah, he's not around. I have to like if I can't find him It's crosswords on our team. Yeah. Yeah, so he's like worse Torkelson. I don't even think torque could start it Couldn't do it either

Circles it would look at it. Just like just be like, what is this witchcraft? He's like, is this algebra? Yeah, yeah, I think there's a lot of guys that couldn't do it because you gotta know the lingo and the jargon. There's a lot of words that repeat every day. If they ever talk about a cookie, it's an Oreo. If they ever have a lake in there, it's eerie

just because there's vowels and stuff in it. Wait, are we talking about the full crossword or we talk about the mini well the crossword mini is pretty easy Yeah, okay. I just want to make sure that we're not talking about a Yeah, yes, the USA or New York the New York one I think is really hard and the LA one is like that one is fucking impossible. Okay, you can't do it You can't do it. Yeah, well, I can't do any of them. Yeah, but I think it USA Today. I think that's the one that that one I think has pictures in it. Yeah, it's pretty easy A picture a pancake that way on off days. I can do it USA Today

Pictures oh we're looking at right now. This is not pictures. Yeah. What is this? It's a picture Snoopy Yeah, look this is USA Today. It's like this color Three letter word for you to print it out and I want to see how far you guys can get literally just coloring a cheesecake Factory menu every day. Yeah, I've been like wow Jake Rogers. I need your help We got to get a newspaper in Detroit on on game like days that you're starting to make the world's easiest Crossword puzzle and put it out just just so that you can get in get out Do you do it just on days that you're starting or do you do it every day? I try to do it every day sometimes schedule dictates if I can do it before my day starts first after my day starts

But I usually try to carve out, you know 20 or 30 minutes to do it, but that's You know sometimes if I can't get it in 20 minutes, I mean, you're pissed off too. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, this isn't even worth it anymore, but Probably sharpens your mind. Probably kind of wakes you up a little. I don't, I don't, you'd think I'd have a sharper mind, but I don't think that there's much

positive stuff going on for me. You should actually, all right, so let's talk about the contract. Maybe start doing the LA crossword and then throw that in that big Boris binder being like this guy's actually the smartest pitcher that's ever been created. Look at how many times he's done the crossword puzzle. We could get four guys that do the crossword every day, the USA Today one, and we could all sit on a table and try to do the LA one and we won't get it. Okay.

Okay, so what you're saying is the bright lights of LA and New York are too bright for you. Are too bright for you. Too big for me. No doubt. No doubt. That's exactly what that was. Okay. Ten years, 425. That sounds good, doesn't it? That sounds good. I feel like if you get anything over that, you should probably kick a little piece to us.

If you guys have any sort of influence. We'll tweet about you, we'll tweet about you non-stop being like this guy We could just say he he needs twelve seven hundred Yeah, we anchor the negotiation there. Yeah, we could we could we could negotiate some stuff You'd have to talk to Boris about it But let's be honest what we can do is after every single good pitch you throw after every single quality start you have we will Get we'll be your propaganda department and just raise awareness of how incredible the season that you're having truly is.

And then I think you already said 10 years for 40. For 25? For 25 would make you happy. Feels good. So anything beyond that, you're just being greedy. Yeah, you are. So you gotta give it back to us. It's all expendable that you can cut to part of my tip.

If I get above 425, then you guys can have the. Yeah, okay, deal. Yeah, that sounds really good. I think we need to go to Boris's office and just like sit down with him and be like listen Scott We've taken a shit in your office somewhere. We didn't flush. We're not gonna tell you until next time I will upper deck him if he doesn't cut me There are multiple shits in your office right now. None of them flush. Yeah, if you want if you want us to leave Get us in on this deal. So back to your complete game. It's been a story this year. You've been pulled

a bunch before 100 pitches. I did a bad job of saying the complete game, it was technically a Maddox, which is one of the coolest things when you pitch a complete game under 100 pitches. I think that's the height of efficiency, maybe cooler than a no-hitter just gonna throw that out there so you did it under 100 pit no no I mean no head everyone throws a no-hitter no no that's not there's so many no-hitters There was a no-hitter in the World Series a couple years ago that non-stop like that Roy holiday It was a max remember that game. Yeah max who threw the door was there no hitter in the World Series a few years ago I Think my holiday did it in the post. It was the this was I forget who's playing Your mics not on

Max knows I'm that didn't count. No. Well did you get any hits the fillies get any hands? That didn't get did the Phillies get a hit combine no hitters do not count does it combine no hitter count um Those aren't as cool as doing it. Yeah, that's fine, but no hitter count um those aren't as cool as doing it yeah that's fine but it's no hitter right ask my question did the Philly ask max if the Phillies got any hits in the game it's got no hit in a World Series game it was it didn't count no hitters don't count it didn't count yes I know hitters don't count he's saying combined no hitters don't count. He's saying combined. No hitters don't count. But ask him again. Did they get a hit in the gate? When was this? in the World Series

What year was it max I was the year against the Astros, I don't know Yeah, they had no hits in the game well, that's because that's because it was a combined no hitter No one cares about combined. No hitters. Yeah combined. No hitters aren't as yeah, but still if I said did they get a hit? This is like a perfect example of why it doesn't count. But is it a no hitter? It's a no hitter Yeah, I mean, I guess it's a no hitter because he got they got no hits. No. Yeah, you're right, right Right, it's pretty it's not as cool as a starter doing it. That's fine. We never did we never disagreed with that Yeah, but the fact is no hits max calls it a zero hitter, which is just insane levels of cope Yeah, all right, so I think that makes sense either way the Maddox

Was awesome. So did you talk to AJ Hinch after when you've pitch your complete game? Did he say like hey if you had gone over a hundred we would have had to pull you No, I'd I mean sometimes when you walk when you're walking off and his things the handshake right and when you get the handshake you're done what have you ever just not done like what if you just don't shake his hand I've never done that you should try that well it's all you it doesn't really go over well I've shook his hand and then argued it a little bit and then try not straight to the head well that's straight to the tunnel and then you got you hash it out down there give him a little bit and then that's straight to the tunnel. Well that's straight to the tunnel. And then you hash it out down there.

Give him a little of this next time. Yeah, it's not gonna go over well. He makes a good point though because if you do the handshake, that's sealing the deal. Yeah, he's like, there's no conversation after the handshake, you're agreeing with a man, you're giving him your word, but if you don't shake the hand,

then no agreement has been made and it's all up for negotiation. Yeah, I probably won't. He's got, he's so smart. AJ's, I mean, he's the best manager in the game. So wherever he wants to take the game or whatever he wants to do, the matchups that he wants to create from the bullpen coming in, I'm never going to doubt that. Like I'm never going to doubt that.

And during that game where it was a complete game, I didn't think I gave him a reason to take me out of the game. And most times you can give him a reason to take me out of the game and most times You can give him a reason to take like if you watch the last couple innings, maybe You're spraying a little bit. You're not getting as much weak contact. It's getting a little loud. Okay, we're going to the bullpen, right? So He's very smart about that and he does a ton of research, you know You walk by his office He's got his laptop up and if you just walk in to just talk about whatever He'll be going over matchups of of pockets

He wants to create for relievers that come in to face this certain part of the lineup and then they're gonna pinch it for These guys and then I I want actually want this guy to get the pinch hit for it's like it's insane He's really good at his job thinking plays ahead no doubt. It feels like we're always It feels like every move that is made during the game pinch hit bullpen move Whatever happens it feels like it's always in our advantage, which I love yeah, and at the end of the day I'm trying to win so if he's giving me the handshake. It's like One I probably gave him a reason to take me out of the game maybe I'm walking guys or my velocity starting to decline or

It's getting a little loud, you know, maybe the quality of contact, it went from being, you know, pretty low exit below to now they're getting to the hundreds or 104 and there's maybe a play at the fence and he always protects his guys too. He always protects his starters. He doesn't ever want to start, like if his starter's pitching really well,

he doesn't ever want the starter to kind of pitch himself into a loss after a really good day just because it puts a sour taste in your mouth. So I trust him a ton in that but going back to the complete game thing they hadn't hit the ball really hard at all. I felt like I was in complete control of the game. I had 11 strikeouts at the time through eight. I was at eighty-something pitches. I knew who was coming up in the lineup. I think Jose Ramirez was, I just, or he had just like hit 109 to left field single and I'm like, thank God, great, great

at bat for me. Like he's one of the best hitters ever. And I knew I was kind of in control of the game. So if there was going to be a handshake there, I, that would have been the, maybe one of the few times I would have strongly disagreed with it, but Don't give him the handshake Yeah, but there I don't think there was a doubt in anybody's mind I didn't it didn't even cross my mind that I was coming out of the game I kind of knew I was at least gonna go out there and then I Didn't there at no point was there ever a reliever warming up. Yeah, I knew I was in control of that game

I got a really dumb question I don't know why this is the first time in 40 years of my life that I've had this pop my head But you're a lefty is it weird shaking hands with your right hand? Yeah, yeah, it's just yeah, we just we just have forced all of you lefties do society yeah, you just If I were to walk up to you today and been like Yeah, I would think you're injured or something with your right hand. Yeah, exactly Yeah, yeah, I go just you know, the biggest thing being left-handed is Growing up the scissors are for right-handed people to cut scissors

Yeah, and they don't fit the same for lefties like they're not like ambidextrous is my son's a lefty So he's gonna buy him one hand at scissors. Okay, so he'll thank you for that Okay, wait, let me try a left-handed handshake with you. It's gonna it's gonna mess you up It's gonna mess If scoobled shakes my hand then he's gonna give us 10% of his new contract. Oh It's a deal. That's a deal. Oh Our left-handed handshakes enforceable in court. Yeah, I don't know that my thing are more Because you had to go out of your sound mind and body like you no one would ever do this with their left

It's not an auto pen. That's a left-handed. Yeah, like I have the tent behind this Yeah, I got a question about you had a very funny interaction with Alex Bregman earlier this year Where he was he was beating you up someone in there loved it. Yeah, Hank loved it He he was beating you off someone in there loved it. Yeah, Hank loved it He he was beating you up this year I think he had three hits off you and you just told him in between innings take the first pitch Well, yeah, he actually did yeah, and then he got a hit. Yeah, so he went first pitch 107

To the center fielder it may have been a double or something a single and I was like okay swing at the first pitch that's nothing new to me everybody swings at the first pitch so he does it second pitch Homer and I get back in the dugout and like I have fun when I'm playing you know you're competing but like I also enjoy just the game and I like Bregman I like the way he plays the game I love everything about him. He's a grinder. I've heard great things in the clubhouse about him. So I go down to the other side of the dugout and I'm like, hey, take one.

Can you please take one your next at bat? And then he steps in the box for his third at bat and I kind of give him the hands, like, hey, just take one. And I threw a strike and he took it and I go, I started laughing because he did it. And then the next pitch, single. Well, I go, and then he gets the first I go, maybe take two next yeah, right. You just take maybe I'll just walk you how about that

Do you think you maybe I I actually talked to Bregman about this? Because I wanted to get like figure out what you were throwing he said that the splitter That was what that's what he can hit off you so litter. Yeah, I don't even throw or what is it what no? Shit, maybe wasn't the splitter. What do you say Hank fuck well that yeah? I mean if these what did you throw what you throw there wasn't the four scene? Maybe it's just sinker. Yeah, city hit one off the wall in the playoffs last year off you and he feels like that gave him A little confidence so well if you watch the rest of that game I don't think there you go you should you go you should not have said that you don't throw a splitter because now everybody's gonna be like, oh I used to

I used to throw a splitter and it was horrible. So I had to stop throwing it Maybe just I would have been sent back to Toledo if I kept throwing that bitch Just tell people that you're bringing it back then though. That's one more pitch. They get a look for yeah I got it in my back pocket. Yeah, you do. Yeah. Yeah, I throw a sweeper gyro Eva's all yeah, I'll throw an ephes have you ever thought about throwing an EFIS? You should do it once just for us I've I've thought about it, but in The reason I don't think I'll ever do it is the slim chance that it gets just yeah I would have no answer to anybody if I give up a homer on a

65 mile an hour pitch cranky. I through one yeah, but cranky's weird Yeah, he is really I think he threw it a couple times, and he's always but it's like that's part of his game though Yeah, no the ephesus not part of my game. Have you ever thought about the gyro ball the gyro ball? Yeah, like slider. I don't know the gyro ball. That's when I came over and was like it's a Scene yeah, they just all call. I mean it's the fork ball now. It's like it's a different splitter you know that's kind of what it is but You know gyro now is called those are called sliders, so that's like the gyro slider. You're looking for bullet spin That's what gyro means is is bullet spin. What's bullet spin?

So like the ball is literally, you know, the axis is through the baseball this way and it's like a bullet. So a right handed gyro is gonna spin this way, a left handed gyro is gonna spin that way. And you're basically just trying to kill vert and kill horizontal. It's gonna like, gravity is gonna pull this ball down

and the nose will get pulled down. And then, I mean, there's a whole, I could get about as nerded out about it as if you want but. We were talking to Paul Skeens a couple months ago and he still carries around a baseball with him and he just you know does like different grips on it always trying to figure out what a new pitch that you could throw is. Do we have a new pitch that's coming out of the Arsenal soon? I try to throw a sweeper like once in between every start I try to get a sweeper grip that I like and yeah doesn't work I can't I can't I can't throw it but I keep trying because it's like oh Well, maybe if I put my finger here or maybe if I put this finger here, you know

You constantly are tinkering with things. But what about what about a ball I I have a tough time spiking my I don't have the most mobile fingers Okay for a knuckleball you kind of I can't really spike anything like guys will throw like spiked curve balls where their knuckles like this And it hurts my knuckles to like do that. I don't have very mobile fingers I don't think so. I don't know if that'll ever come how many change-ups do you have? one just one just one grip and then counts dictate if I want to throw it a little bit harder, a little bit slower.

That bats dictate that too but. Good change-up is awesome. I feel like Greg Maddux. You've been throwing it more. I think it's your most thrown pitch right now. Yeah. Yeah. I think Greg Maddux had like five different kinds of change-ups that he would throw.

And at some point you're like, dude, just pick like maybe one, maybe two two if you're feeling frisky Well, yeah, I mean if you if you want to throw change-ups like that, like he did I mean he's throwing like cut change-ups on purpose. He's throwing like straight change-ups. He's throwing change-ups that sink He's throwing change-ups that go straight down. I Mean Hendrix kind of does this too Yeah he'll throw like cut change-ups cut change-up cut change-. And then like he throws cut changeups to righties. And then later into council, throw like the back door

sinking changeup and you think it's going to cut off. So you take it and then it runs back on. So I think you got to have a ton of feel to do that. To really do that with changeups. You were just talking about 109 mile per hour hit that you gave up a single and you were like, I was okay with that. That's fine. He's a great batter. I can live with that one. Wasn't a homer. Do you have a favorite hit that you've given up? Like in a bat that you gave up a single and you're like I was okay with that. That's fine. He's a great batter I can live with that wasn't a homer Do you have a do you have a favorite hit that you've given up like in a bat that you worked really hard on we've Act we've asked quarterbacks It's like do you have a favorite interception that you've ever thrown? But you have a favorite hit that you've given up where you feel like okay, that was a massive win after that at bat

I mean anytime you keep like The best players in the yard, you know, like Aaron Judge, Jose Ramirez, Otani, Mookie, Freddie, like anytime you just give up a single to those guys, you're like, great at bat. Yeah. Great at bat.

You know, even if, I mean, with runners in scoring position, maybe a little bit different, but I gave up a single to Aaron Judge, I think maybe in Williamsport last year, and he hit it like 11 hundred and fourteen on the ground Mm-hmm, and I was he got the first base and I was like a nice job, man. Yeah. Thank you It wasn't a homer. So thank you. Yeah, but yeah, you try to keep you know Really good players just if you keep them in the yard and if especially if they're not like, you know

Trying to steal bags like that where they're not running a ton. Mm-hmm it's almost it's kind of an advantage for the pitcher because you know you can get a ground ball and get a double play and get two outs for the price of one, especially when those guys are so good. Yeah. What about a favorite strikeout? Favorite strikeout?

I mean, that one to end the complete game is probably the best one. I mean, it's the hardest fastball I've ever thrown. There was one in that game in the seventh inning to Manzardo that was a sinker like down and away kind of off to back on and that was 102 and that one felt good out of the hand too. Was the was you swearing walking off the field and your mom getting mad was that off of strikeout in the playoffs? That was off of double play. Okay, all right It was a big moment, you know and then I

Mean, I don't know what happened that day. I think I mean the Cleveland fans were great too. I I like going there It's fun. And then the playoff series was that's like That's yeah off baseball. You actually have a big-time hater in this office. I know I was gonna see you You'll see him. Yeah. Yeah, Tate have a big time hater in this office. I know, I was wondering if I was gonna see him today. You'll see him, yeah, Tate is a big Guardians fan and he just writes blogs constantly. Like he had an entire campaign that Klaus A should have won the Cy Young last year. Yeah, you can't keep my name out of his mouth.

Yeah, and then he's writing like the Tigers should trade you right now because you're not gonna re-sign. Yeah. So yeah, you'll get to meet him. Here's a question, this might be insider trading, but we're just gonna do it anyway because we're basically part of your agent team now. I think that was clear with you.

Do you have a very good friend starting pitcher on another team? Who's your closest friend? On another team? Yeah. See, I've had a cool opportunity to just play on like one team my whole career. Yeah. Like no trade. I've been drafted by the Tigers play with the Tigers. So like on the team is is Casey Meyers. Okay. Me and him have come up together.

But on another team it's probably it's probably Matt Boyd. Okay. Yeah. So he's a pitcher and he can... So here's what we need to do. We need to figure out whenever you play him, you need to be like, hey, Skip, I'm ready to bat today. And you go up, he throws you a meatball, you hit a home run. And then when we get that big binder from Scott Boris, we're like, Terrence Scoobel, if you actually did the math,

he would have 450 home runs if you gave him the show, hey, you know, full treatment of the bats. I always say, yeah, I like that. Yeah, but it's a good idea, right? There's no chance I could hit, first off. What do you mean? Dude, I can't hit. Go pull up the table shot.

We're gonna cut this now. We're gonna cut this part. We're gonna, we're gonna. Lester, at the end of his career, I mean, great player, right? But he was throwing 84, 86, and I thought it was like 102. Like I can't see the ball. And then I do say this though.

I do say I'm the best bunner in Major League history. Okay. How do you work with that? Bryce Wilson, I faced him in Pittsburgh and I went 0 for 0, got my sack bunt down and I have one bunt attempt, got it down. So any big situations I always say I'm one bunt attempt, got it down. So any big situations, I always say

I'm the best bunter in Major League history. You can't take that away from me. I'm one for one. Never. How were you at base running? Well, I was out. I sacrificed myself, because I'm a team guy. So I got my bunt down.

I'm a big team guy. I ran to first base. I was out by 10 steps. Did you run it out? Yeah, I ran it out. So you're slow. Because of first base. No, I was pitching, 10 steps. Did you run it out? Yeah, I ran it out. So you're slow. No, I was pitching, so you know, it's a courtesy draw.

Yeah. Once I knew he fielded it, I was like, well, the only way I'm safe is if he yips it up the line. Yeah. So I got out of the box all right, made him think that I maybe could be fast, and then shut it down. But are you fast?

I wouldn't claim that I'm fast, but I don't think I'm slow either. I mean, you're a Haas. Haas can't be fast. Yeah. Like if you wanted to be fast, you'd have to give up Haas. I'd rather be a Haas than fast. No doubt, no doubt.

But I'm not slow. I don't think I'm slow. I think I can run. I don't think I could run the bases, but I think like, it takes me a little bit to get going. It takes me a little bit to get going, but once I get to my, you know,

my stride kinda opens up, I think I run decent. You run for power. Yeah. Yeah, I like that. Yeah, I'm not built for the 100 meter dash, but I'm not built for the 400 or the 1600 or any of those other ones, but maybe like a 250 meter maybe.

Yeah. If you only counted from 75 to the rest of the race. Yeah. Finish. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, how fun is Javi Baez? I'm pumped for Javi. I love Javi forever. Him having kind of a resurgence this year.

And also playing center field, is that, your defense obviously very important. Is Javi just a guy, he seems like a very fun guy in the locker room. Yeah, I love him, I love him. He's always taken care of us. No matter what the results are on the field, he's the same guy in the locker room. Yeah, I love him. I love him. He's always taken care of us. You know, no matter what the results are on the field, he's the same guy in the clubhouse and he's taken care of us ever since he came over.

You know, he was the first, I mean, he's great too, but you know, what goes under, you know, overlooked, not under, overlooked was, he's playing center field for Parker when Parker gets hurt, right, in spring training. Parker comes back, he plays his first game at shortstop last night for the first time. It felt like in, I don't know when was the last time we played shortstop. And he makes an insane play up the middle to save two runs, you know, one run

scores, but he picks the ball, throws it from his, his knees. We get an out and then we get the next out. So he saves two runs in that aspect too. And that's like such an under appreciated aspect of his game is he'll go from center to third to short to second. We move them all around and he doesn't complain about anything. You know, he just wants to play baseball and I love that about him. Yeah. Back in 2016 when we started this podcast, Big Cat took me to a Cubs game and he was

like, watch Javi Baez. Watch how he tags. Yeah. It's and I was like, this guy is the best tagger in the history of Major League Baseball. I't know that was a skill tags and slides that tagging no tagging is like a legit thing. Yeah Yeah, you're really good at tagging guys out. It makes a huge difference Yeah for your catcher for games like he's so good at that Yeah, and his slides are also like he'll you know over a course of a you know There's some times where Javi will have some weird things happen on the base path But he will have like, you know, I would say call it once a month where there's some times where Javi will have some weird things happen on the base path, but he will have like You know I would say call it once a month where it's like that slide is there no one else can make that slide

Yeah, he looks really cool when he slides really yes. He looks When he slide like he slid into home there wasn't even a play at the plate, but he said Well it wasn't I mean it kind of was the throw was like you know 15 feet up the line So there really wasn't a play at the plate But yeah, he slid and just like as you slide and just kind of smacks his hand on home and I'm like Did you're really cool? Yeah, I think him and and Trey Turner have the best slides in baseball. Yeah, Trey. Yeah, Trey I mean he just like he did there's no he just like glides on the ground glides and then stands up in one motion It's like a Michael Jackson music video. I don't know how he does. It's crazy. And also I love how these tattoo the MLB tattoo. Yeah

Have you thought about getting an MLB tattoo? Maybe on your neck like the front of your neck She would show that you love the game. Yeah Something we could it looks great on him. Yeah, I don't know if it looked good on me I I went to a Cubs game on Saturday and they employed an interesting strategy with their starting pitcher So they had their starter for a one inning and then they brought in the other guy. Yeah. Ben Brown, who historically doesn't pitch that well in the first innings, then he pitches after that. Do you think that that baseball managers are ever going to get into a phase where

they have, you know, some of their best pitchers pitching every single or as, as much as possible? What do you mean? That's like an opener situation. Yeah, an opener. But like if if you're the best pitcher by far, I haven't an opener. You're not going to have an opener. But wouldn't it be nice to have you go out there every single game for a few innings? He's saying like if you like your off day throwing when you're ramping it up, like instead of off day throwing in the bullpen, you just are an opener one day.

I don't know. I mean, I would love to write like I have a bullpen today at the field I would love to just throw it in the opener. Yeah, but that's like college ball. Yeah, where it's like, oh you're starting Friday Okay. Well if we're winning on Tuesday Why this is small a mid-major guy was where I went to school But if we were like playing UW orDub or something on a Tuesday, our coach would be like, hey, don't throw your bullpen today yet. If we're winning in the eighth inning,

you're gonna throw it in the ninth. And I'm like, well, that's not really a bullpen. This is a game. This is like, I'm letting it rip. But yeah, I don't think that'll ever happen just with like arm injuries and the risk of all that stuff. But I get your point. I think it would be fun to throw a lot.

But then you're just a reliever. And I'm pretty sure everyone wants to be the starting pitcher. Everybody does want to be the starter. Yeah, but you're right. I think if there was one injury that happened, then whoever that manager was, you're staking your career on that decision if you got your best guy going out there.

Yeah, and like, I think historically, you see it in the postseason where guys will jump back on short rest or whatever. I think, I mean, I'd be curious to see the numbers, but I don't think it's as good as you'd think. You want your best pitcher out there, but you want your best pitcher out there on five days rest. But on four days rest or three days rest,

I think the numbers would probably say that your best pitcher isn't your best pitcher on three days rest. You know what I mean? So I think the numbers kind of back that too, but everyone wants the bum garner thing in the World Series where it's like, this guy threw one, three, seven, all these games.

Yeah, I mean, he's probably the best post-season pitcher of all time, maybe, if you looked at the numbers. But that is such a rare case, because there's also guys that have bounced back on short rest that haven't been very good. So can you feel a difference in your arm? Like what's the difference between four days rest and five days rest just waking up in the morning? It's a big difference. It's a big difference. Just having that extra day, you know, I think even from

five days to six days, you know, seven days I think is always too much. Like if you're throwing once a week, I think you almost feel too good. So you don't want to feel that because then your arm you just don't even know where the ball is coming out Yeah, but for even from five to six is a difference you know, I think in just the stuff that comes out of your hand and then if you go backwards the other way like Last year my last start was you know before the all-star break was whatever and then the game was on four days rest And I was trying I mean I'm pitching my first all-star break was whatever and then the game was on four days rest And I was trying to I mean i'm pitching my first all-star game. I'm thinking it's going to come out hot My first heater was like 94 7 and i'm like, what the hell like I don't throw 94 and uh

Yeah, I just didn't have much with me that day. Yeah, that game was a little bit unique too like Nothing matters. So your adrenaline doesn't flow the same, you know, you're like like I don't care if I get rocked or if I you know this game doesn't really matter I mean there's a little bit of incentive but so maybe that's why the adrenaline was suppressed but even then I think I would have fed off the crowd a little bit better and I was letting it rip and it was like 95 and I'm like oh this isn't this isn't normal yeah when does the adrenaline start to like when can you feel it like where it's like game day is it 20 minutes before is it right before cuz that's like game day. Is it 20 minutes before?

Is it right before? Cause that's gotta be like the best drug to be like, holy shit, I'm just ready to go. Yeah, it's insane. You get addicted to it. Yeah. Like you get addicted to it. It's probably, you know, on days I go,

on days I'm pitching, I'm pretty, you know, relaxed and I like to enjoy it and have fun. And then once I start my routine and I've had You know coffee probably my you know, I drink Three shots of espresso like three hours before the game. That's kind of my Dosage to where I know I'm awake, you know for the game and I'm ready to go Probably An hour and 15 minutes before the game. That's kind of when I'm like, okay, and you start to feel it, you get the nerves,

you don't get shaky, but you get like, you're ready to go. And then you get out there and you start playing catch and then it starts to kind of like go down and then you hear the anthem. And then that's for me, once I hear the anthem, then it's like, okay, it's ready to go. My next four or five pitches in the bullpen, or I do a batter and whether I walk,

and I don't really care what happens, but I just go through some sequencing and then once you throw that last pitch, you're ready to go. Did you have to tinker with that caffeine regimen? Was there a time when you were like, I'm gonna try five, six shots? Yeah, I didn't drink caffeine until 23.

I didn't ever really have caffeine. That's crazy. And then it's like one of the best drugs for performance enhancing to make you better. There's a lot of research about it to make your brain, stimulus, all that stuff better. And yeah, I didn't start drinking caffeine until I went on rehab assignment.

And I started tinkering with it on days I pitched and I figured four is too much three hours before the game but three is good and two's not enough so it's always like three I'm just gonna slap a Stella Blue logo on that entire speech right there yeah four's too much two's not enough three is kind of perfect for me yes it's like martini yeah and now I'm like now I'm addicted to coffee that's how we're gonna do it we're gonna do I'm gonna get like paid Instagram ads of school saying all that stuff and we're gonna cat We're gonna we're gonna basically reel in Boris where he's gonna try to sue me and I'm like, hey listen, buddy

Mm-hmm. Let's talk now that we're at the table together. Mm-hmm. Let's I need to get some I need to get some beans Yeah, I'll give you some on the way out and I'll send you some. All right. I got a couple last questions First is I need you to address something I was looking at your name on Twitter and just seeing what the buzz is. And I found this one. This is from at Detroit verse everyone 29. He said, Hey, Tigers, I'd love to watch my favorite team play with my kids, but I won't let them watch when Terrix scoobel starts because his pants are too tight. Can

this be addressed? Has a bad take. That's a bad take. You do wear tight pants. Do you think that you maybe are too tight for the kids? I don't think so. Okay, I made that tweet up by the way. I like my pants. I don't like I've never been like a baggy pant. I mean, I'm wearing joggers right now. And this is

kind of how I like my pants to fit. Yeah, I mean, I won't let my son Chris watch you pitch anymore after you told the the Guardians to shut the fuck up. Mmm That was bad. Your mom was right about that. Yeah, she was. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, but I was impressed this season You apologized for pimping a strikeout Which which what do you talk was that against Neto? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that was a there was some stuff going on there and You know, you kind of handle it on the line. I'm never gonna hit anybody for anything.

I just don't think that's in the game anymore. Yeah, there was some stuff and I just didn't want, I didn't want retaliation against our guys too, for me acting like that on the mound. Yeah. So that was kind of like, hey, the moment happened, we're all good. I don't need anybody getting hit on our side either.

Great teammate, great teammate move. Yeah, great teammate. He saved lives that day. Self proclaimed great teammate. Those are the best guys, everyone knows that. Great teammate. Yeah, I think that that was, that moment was, I think, I mean, he's a great player too.

He's doing a hell of a job this year. Yeah. Yeah, you kind of. Other Twitter's question,oobal is God you actually responded to him that's the guy who gave me the kid who gave me the envelope saying yeah yeah so have you we got to get him out to a game he loves you so much he sent you a bunch of he sent you a DM and I think you responded to it a couple months later being like yeah we're friends now very cool story

it's like you don't have to do that. You're the Cy Young winner, and you're responding to a random guy on Twitter. I love that. Well, I said I would. I said I would to you guys. And he's messaged me a couple different times, and I've kinda got back to him a couple times,

but I haven't gone over the whole ticket situation. Okay, we gotta get him to a game. Yeah, let's get him out there. Yeah, why not? Because he's your number one. I mean, the fact that he gave me that envelope is still, it will go down as one of the best bets I've ever made just because of the story behind it. Yeah, that is cool.

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You are a haas, but Hank he told us his story a couple days ago. Go ahead Hank Yeah, huge fan. Obviously I was a lefty pitcher through a little bit slower, but uh Same-same love watching you play and I was in Grand Rapids, Michigan last weekend. I was in an absolute dive bar I think it's called anchor bar carpeted floors dim lights The TVs were the size of this TV that's above us like just tiny little monitors It was like midnight 1 a.m.. And they just had Tarek Scoob will highlights on a loop That's what you want in a hometown bar Town bar and that's what he's a really cool city by yeah I had a great our high a team is yeah, what's Michigan Whitecaps are and I I played there for a little bit

I I loved it there. I think that's our best city for any affiliate. We have in the minor leagues Yeah, it was awesome, and that's a great sign of like you know you're the the the city loves you yeah I love they're just we're just gonna throw on like what should we put on this TV like just throw on scoobble highlights Yeah, just have it. Yeah, it's a 15 minute YouTube. Just have it play all night You know how nasty you have to be as a pitcher to have like a long highlight mix that people want to watch at a bar Well, yeah drunk you have to be really fucking good for that. That's awesome. Yeah anchor bar. Yeah, I got some buddies I love in Grand Rapids. I'll have them go check it. Yeah What do you what do you plan on doing against the Cubs on Friday?

Yeah, what do you what do you plan on doing against the Cubs on Friday? It's tearing them apart. I mean ideally got some lefties. Yeah, so wait you said earlier You hardly ever pitch against lefties. Is that an anomaly for your division? Well, it's just No one likes the left on left matchup. Yeah, really and So, you know used to it can stack a bunch of righties they will and then the lefties you get our dogs You know like Kyle Tucker Schwerber Harper Otani like you're getting those lefties that are like superstars Don Alvarez didn't say PCA

No, but I mean they're a good team it'll be a fun, you know be a fun weekend and you know our crowd I think we've already I've seen some stuff about how it's gonna be a sellout pretty much all three games So yeah, it'll be fun. It'll be fun And you know you look forward to throwing at home and in front of your own crowd and going out there and competing It'll be it'll be a good game for sure. Who's starting? I don't know, we might have an opener again. Let's see. Not Boydow?

Tyone pitched on Sunday, so maybe him. Yeah, yeah. Or Ben Brown if they did the opener, he pitched on Saturday. Okay. We're also gonna run this the next week, so everyone's gonna be like, what's going on? How'd that game go? Yeah, how'd the game go? We're gonna run this the next week. So okay. Yeah Yeah, the game go

I went seven shot. Yeah, that's what happens. I love it max. Have you been doing the crossword in there or is that memes? That would have that would be that's so no Bad for you. That Hank's doing this? Hank didn't go to college. Wait, Barstool's an answer? Yeah, that's why Hank got it. The question is like, what company do you work for? No, no, it was, uh, C&A Pub. I was just like, you know, we pulled it up, let me tell you about it.

I'm actually pretty proud of my progress. Yeah, I can't. You can't look at that. Is that today's proud of my I can't I don't you can't look at that Is that today's is that today's okay? I don't look just get given one clue even one clue that you haven't got uh it Jerry O'Connell is obsessed with Tiffany Gomez's feet And he calls him this well child's word for foot Give him which one across you guys haven't gotten one across now do one across For foot yeah, give him which one across you guys haven't gotten one across now do one across

vicinity close How many letters for area probably ooh? That's what I would guess this is bad though if Hank can do this crossword you might have to go to New York Times or LA oh yeah, yeah, there we go all right now. You go one down. What's one down one down? Permission ask yeah there. We go on starts with an R two down our insecure actress It's a ray. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know who that is. Oh, yeah. Oh you got it Oh three down starts with an E lambs mother you Ewe Ewe yeah, no four down What's four down starts with a

Characteristic Attribute how many letters no ends with CT and it's well as long as you got that early aspect characteristic Yeah, maybe try to get across or three. Oh my god aspect. That's right. Okay, five down bad It's a 2021 Ed Sheeran song I just loved it Hank you said EWE and Hank put EU E and he goes nope All right, Terrick you're the man keep keep crushing it and we're big fans and let us know when you need us to negotiate We're ready to go. All right, you're in you're in some change. Okay. All right, just put us in Put the ball in our hand. Yeah. Thank you guys

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goat of the chess world Magnus Carlsen. And now for something completely different. Okay we now welcome on a very very very very very special guest. First ever Grandmaster chess player on this show. I believe so. It is Magnus Carlson, the greatest chess player of all time. And I'll start with that Magnus. Am I allowed to say you're the greatest chess player of all time or can we are, is it the goat debate is settled? You are the goat. I'm not sure I'm the right person to ask really, but I don't mind. That's completely fine by me. I am the right person to ask. So I'll just say you are the goat, undisputed goat. Who else would be in that conversation? Well, there's Garry Kasparov who has a very good case, I think. And then there's

Fisher as well. Bobby Fisher kind of had I would say the highest peak in terms of the difference between him and his competitors at least in recent times. The problem with Fisher is that he kind of stopped playing right after he became world champion. He had like that three-year peak from from 70 to 72. So it's hard to say, but I'm getting there. So that's all I can ask for. Let's make the case for you because that is what we want to come out of this interview being like Magnus is our goat. We'll fight anyone who goes after him. The case I would make for you is so you have been world number one for what 14, 15 years? Is that correct? Yeah, I think continuously now since since

2011. Love that 15 years. You also are playing in the most difficult era of chess. I would assume you can correct me because the computer assist, the computer analysis has gotten so smart that, uh, I think I heard a quote that you said in the past, you know, 20 years ago to learn an opening in chess would take you a month. Now people are able to learn it in five hours because they have, uh, the computers helping them. So I would say that you're playing in the most difficult era because people are able to get up to a top level faster than they were 20, 30 years ago. I agree to some extent that it's kind of harder to set yourself apart. These days preparation has kind of become less important because everybody kind of agrees these days that the engines sort of know everything and your phone can pretty much come up with the same result as somebody could come up with with days and days of research.

So, yeah, that part has become a lot easier. As you said, it's so much easier to attain information than to get to a certain level. So I think, yeah, in many ways, it's harder to set yourself apart in these days. And honestly, if you're talking about normal chess as well, the best openings are kind of unplayable these days. And if you look at just Gary's area, he was way ahead of his competitors when it came to opening analysis, and he would win a lot of games purely based on that. And you just cannot really do that anymore.

Go confirm Gary's playing against plumbers. Yeah, it was a different era. And also, I think more people are playing these days, right? He was playing against plumbers. He was playing against construction workers. Yeah, the rules have changed too. It's harder to succeed in this era. But when you're talking about the opening, I'm always interested to hear chess players talk about it because the opening for me would be like, if I learned four moves, it's like, okay, I know this opening. At what point does the opening stop and the middle of the game commence?

Yeah, the openings are very different, of course, because the openings that we play, the openings that we're worried about are not necessarily the same as that we would be on an amateur level. On most recreational level, people learn like a certain setup and they don't necessarily want to play the most their lines where you're just going for, um, for a draw with the, with, with the black pieces. I would say, um, I would say the, the opening these days and often ends a little bit earlier than it, than it used to, because we're going out of,

um, kind of the most charged territory a bit earlier. So I would say these days, maybe after 12, 13 moves on average, we can say that the opening is over and the middle game starts. I will say, though, that this is one of the reasons why I've been pushing. I've been pushing to play a different form of chess, call it fish around him or freestyle or whatever, where you actually sort of eliminate the opening completely and start and start

from the middle game. But yeah, we'll see what the, what the future holds on that. So that, that style of chess, that's where you randomize the back row, right? Yeah, you've randomized the back row. There are a couple of rules, like the king has to be in between the rooks so you can castle on both sides and the bishop still are in opposite colors. But the idea is basically that you use the same skill set that you have in chess to a large degree. But it's supposed to be kind of harder to mask your weaknesses because you cannot count on a certain amount of setups that you use because it's more complicated than that if the major pieces start on different squares. But for now that is more of a game for professionals than amateurs really.

Because at most levels, when people ask for advice for openings and so on, I said like, play whatever, play whatever you want, right? And anything, anything works as long as you've, as long as it suits you and you got practice there. Yeah. What, what, a little bit about your, your history. At what age were you like, I can do this. I have a mind for this that is different than everyone else. Was there an aha moment? And when did you start playing chess?

I've never looked at myself that way that I am necessarily that much different. Like I've understood at some point that yes I can understand the game better than others but I don't really know why I don't feel like I'm necessarily got a better mind, better memory and so on. So I started relatively late in chess terms. I would say I played my first tournament when I was eight and a half. And at that point, I would say I had had roughly half a year of quite significant chess training on my own. And I would say so I played the Norwegian Championship under 11. I finished in middle of the field, which, you know which I didn't have any expectations.

I thought that was good. And then the next year I won it. I thought, well, I've now beaten a lot of the kids that started a few years earlier than I did, who are a couple of years older. I've gotten there in one year. Then I started thinking, well, maybe at least, at least I was doing it in a different way than the others. Like, you know, how we go to soccer practice or whatever other sport you're doing. Like most kids, if they do that, they do it

once or twice a week. And then maybe you have a match at the weekends or something. And this is what kids would do with chess as well. There were very often this kid's tournaments in the All-Slow area. I wasn't doing that. I was studying on my own a lot apart from that. Like I was, I wasn't merely playing chess. Like I was already living chess to a large degree back then. And so in that sense, it wasn't a surprise that I surpassed the others, but that's when I felt

like, yeah, I could actually be quite good at this. And what was the moment, how old were you when the world started noticing like, oh man, this guy, when did you go world number one? Were you still a teenager? The first time I was world number one was only for, it was for about a week, but that was late 2008. So it was a little before my 18th birthday. Okay. Um, and that was pretty cool. Like that was, um, about nine years after I played my first tournament. So the progress until then have been pretty good.

Yeah, that's insane. So yeah, you were talking about how you live it, how it's part of your life more so than it is like an activity or recreation. When you're playing, do you get the same joy out of winning as you used to or is it more about the process for you? Unfortunately, the like the sad thing about chess as in life is that negative feelings are kind of They're enhanced a bit so Like a really painful loss as people I may have seen from my last

tournament like it hits a lot harder you hate losing yeah it hits a lot harder than than the wins so I'll have like I'll be very satisfied often when I when I win I may not always show, but it like the reaction to losing is unfortunately stronger still. But I saw how you lost and I said that I like that because you show me a good loser. I'll show you a loser. Like you're going to get back in the lab and you're going to be stronger. Yeah. But I don't know. I, part of me, honestly,, honestly, when I had that loss recently just felt it was so dumb and so unnecessary and it just made me feel so kind of washed and useless that my

thought for a few days was just, I'm not sure, like why am I doing this? When I win, it's good, but it feels kind of normal. And then when I lose, it's just, you know, for a moment, the world just falls apart. It was so funny when people were like, yeah, he's the bad boy of chess. I love, I love that nickname. Like you just get mad after a loss and they're like, wow, what a bad boy. Look at this rebel. Well, you also wear jeans. Yeah, true. Yeah.

The jeans. It's a big one. So you are the bad boy. Are you the bad boy? Chess? I don't inspire to, sorry, I don't aspire to be, to be a, to be a a bad boy I just sometimes sometimes I think I'm in a position compared to some of my my my peers I'm in a position where I can afford not to take shit yeah so I think that's when uh but honestly like those moments I had banging the table, I'm generally not going to apologize for outbursts in the moment, as long as you realize afterwards, well, you show your opponent the proper respect and so on. I obviously wish I could have avoided that by winning the game, but I honestly think that there should be room for that in chess as well. It's a little bit like mashing your racket in tennis.

Like, it is such an uptight sport to begin with that I think it's okay. Yeah, human emotion is good for the game. It's growing the game. Now you said something there that you you had moments afterwards where you're like am I washed. I want to come clean. I'm not a big chess fan. I saw two clips that week and both of them were your losses. So I was like I think I made the comment on this podcast is like all this dude does is lose. And so and then everyone corrected me. It was like he is literally the best chess player of all time. He's been world number one for a decade and a half. So I'm going to come clean on that. That's on me. You're now my

goat. But it like what when you lose a game do you have those thoughts of like hey chess is a young young young guys game. It's a young kid kids game. You see the child prodigies. Are you worried about, you know, how much longer you can go? It has to be said though, the way that I lose, it depends. That particular loss felt so bad and so unnecessary. And I guess part of it was, well, this guy's is young and he's, he's the official world champion. And I know that, you know that this is going to be a big thing. But there was another game in the last round where I was losing for parts of the game, but it was a very interesting game and I still had chances to come back. And in that game, I was very comfortable with the thought that I might lose because it's a good fight. It can happen.

I managed to pull through but if I'd lost, that would have sucked but it wouldn't have been the end of the world. You know, the time when the kids surpass me, it's gonna come for sure, but it's not there yet. Yeah, I love that. Wait, so you're saying it was the way you lost. And also, by the way, you won the tournament. You ended up winning the tournament. So like that should be stated. As you said, the cliffs that you see,

I said it before as well, that if people stop caring when I lose, then that's not a good thing. That's true. Don't boo nobody's. That's a famous saying in American sports, Reddy Jackson. So wait, so it was how you lost that you were more mad about than losing because losing happens in chess. How did you lose?

What did you, is it a specific tactical error that you made that you're like, how did I miss that? Or was it overthinking? Yeah, it was, it was a combination of, uh, it was a combination of a few things. Basically I dominated that game. Most of the game I had, I was basically just juicing between the most comfortable ways to win. And then he started digging in, really fighting back. And it's one of those where my time starts ticking down and I could feel that my blood sugar was dropping a bit as well. so that didn't help either. I got short of time and by the end, I had completely lost my mind, which is why I felt so washed because I felt that that kind of thing wouldn't have happened to me five, six

years ago, but I can definitely, I can accept it. If somebody plays a great game and beats me, like that's fine. Like it's still gonna suck, but I'm fine with it. If somebody like in that game just kind of gets outplayed with the white pieces and then I just like implodes. Implode in that way that was yeah pretty bad. It's fascinating to read about what chess players go through during a tournament because I feel like a lot of people that don't

follow chess don't realize how much stress these guys are under over go through during a tournament. Because I feel like a lot of people that don't follow chess don't realize how much stress these guys are under over the course of a tournament. I read, I think it was in the New York Times, it said that you can lose like 15 pounds over the course of a tournament just from anxiety and sweating. Do you go through that at all? Or are you able to kind of like keep a level mindset? I don't know, it depends on the tournament. you able to to kind of like keep a level mindset? I don't know. It depends on the tournament. But I what I will say is that I got to where I am now, which is that my my in-laws at Summerhouse

with my wife, I got here a couple of days ago. And like my appetite since I've been here has just I've just been eating nonstop so I probably I love that. Yeah. Probably had some energy to recover after that tournament. Can you get a snack if your blood sugar drops? What are the rules about that? No, you can definitely get snacks and I usually I usually am quite good at regulating that during

games. And I mean, that particular day, I mean, okay, the excuse train starts. Yeah, but that particular day, I had walked to the city was about a 45 minute walk because a lot of rows were closed because of a bike ride and then because of that also I'd be golfing earlier in the day with my coach. You got a golf? You got a golf? Yeah, you got a golf. We started five o'clock so why not?

Yeah. And then yeah, everything was delayed so I only had time to get some Chinese takeout like that was right by the playing hall I brought it into the playing hall and started eating it during the game so I was kind of I was kind of fine but my body was like a little bit more stressed than usual and so I felt that I needed to be a bit more vigilant. And the thing is, as I said, I'm usually very, very conscious about those things. If I know that I have a winning position, but it might go on for another, another half an hour, I will regulate based on that,

get an extra snack or something. But, you know, sometimes when the brain just malfunctions, you forget about it. You forget about those things. And then it is just a good old fashioned mouth down. It sounds like you beat yourself. And also, you got to have a snack coach. You got to have a guy that's at your side with a suitcase, filled with pretzels ice cream That's my alarm. We can improve from this. Yeah. Yeah, that's my go-to you beat yourself and we get to get you I know I mean usually I have to give my opponent credit like it doesn't come out of nowhere if he doesn't start

Fighting like a lion in a lost position Then we don't there we go don't get there. He could have laid down, but he didn't. But yeah, of course, that's the game I win 98% of the time. Yeah, it is what it is. I've got a couple of dumb questions for you. Is there such a thing as a fantasy chess league where I can I can draft I guess not players But you know how like if you play I know you play fancy soccer or fancy football But you know you can get the team and you can get like certain players on the team

What if I were able to draft like your Knights on my fantasy chess team? But the funny thing is we're actually we're actually working on that The funny thing is we're actually working on that. There's a company called Take Take Take, which does a little bit of chess app. It's like a watch zone for chess and we do a lot of YouTube stuff as well. And we are working on exactly that thing you're talking about in that if you think about it as a normal fantasy team that the chess players are sort of the teams and then the pieces are the players that you draft. So yeah, we're definitely working on that and other kind of like simpler fantasy working on that and other simpler fantasy games as well that are more based on predictions. But yeah, there definitely is something to be said for that in chess.

We want to give people an extra incentive to watch,. Let's say you got my age phone and there's some kind of end game where you know, like if that pawn becomes becomes a queen, you win your win, you win your mini league and so on. Yeah. Yeah. So like what would be, what would be the big board if you were to look across the chess landscape? Would it be your pawns Magnus's pawns? Rick number one. Would it be a, what's his name? Hikaru, his his queen. Or would it be like Neiman's anal beads? Which one would be one one?

That's a good question. There's a guy we've done a few tests and there's a guy called Alarisa Farrousia from France. His queen does. She just plays like wild, complicated games. his queen does he just plays like wild complicated games. So his queen should be the you know the number one draft pick in any his queen work. The best queen in a league. Yes. Yeah. What's your what's your number one piece. Honestly probably probably my queen queen as well. Although I do feel like my flank pawns, like if you want to get in cheap on something,

those often live very long and important lives in my games. The pawns are the offensive linemen of chess. They are. What would be your worst piece? Somehow my light squared bishop does worse than my dark squared bishop. And I don't understand. It's just something about the way that I play. It was not about Bobby Fischer that he like much preferred his light squared bishop to his dark squared bishop with playing with the white pieces.

But I don't know from, from, from me, it's for some reason the opposite. Yeah. Uh, you, you, you solved a, uh, 50 piece puzzle when you were two years old. Um, what, do you remember what that puzzle was? No, no, I don't remember it, but what I do know is that my my four year old nephew his bed he's better than I am. It's been better than I am for a couple of years already. So is he not we got we definitely got some some talent in our in our bloods. Do you know how it comes to that? Yeah. Do you know how long that puzzle took you when you were two years

old? I don't know. I have very few memories. All right, I'm just trying to figure out because I did a 50 piece puzzle with my son like maybe a few weeks ago and it took me about like 35 minutes so I'm thinking you were smarter than you as a two-year-old or smarter than me as a 40 year old. you were smarter than, you as a two year old were smarter than me as a 40 year old. I don't know, honestly, I think the last time I did, I did a 200 puzzle piece with my nephew. I think that took a couple of hours.

Okay. That was embarrassing. Okay. I probably think that I was better at two or three, but I am now. That's crazy. Is your nephew, he's playing chess? No, I don't think he's started with that yet.

What's the youngest you can be to actually learn the game and to get good? So there's an Indian kid who's three years old who's rated 1600. What does that mean for us? Because we have no idea what that means.

Yeah. That means you're very decent damage for player. Um, you beat three, you're, you're, you're like, uh, middle of the pipe player and like a normal chest club anywhere. That's crazy. And I like, I've seen him play. He he can he can definitely move the move the pieces around. Would it. Let's say I think you're you're the goat. You're our goat. You're going to be the goat for a long time. But let's say 10 years from now you get passed up. Would you rather get passed up by like a suit like a five year old or maybe someone who's in his 20s. I think you'd I think you'd want to get passed up by a five year old in like the most hilarious fashion. I don't think it's possible to get to that level at five. But you know, I want

to see somebody, I want to see somebody among the kids really stand out and be a serious threat to be that new number one guy who can actually dominate. Because that has been the norm in chess, that there's always been that one guy who's been better than the others. And with the kids right now, I don't see it. Like there are a lot of them are really talented, but it's not obvious that some one of them is gonna dominate.

So I would love for that to happen. And then I'd probably try my very best to hang on for another few years. That would be so funny. If Meera Big Cat were playing against this three-year-old, there's a good chance he would just absolutely destroy us. And then he would 100%. And then he'd have to get his diaper changed. Like that's a possibility that that could happen.

He's peeing himself and just ruining us mentally. So for you, I know that being number one for so long, for the longest, the longest, the longest of anyone in chess, ever born in the history of the world, actually, cause Barov was, he was about 20 years and I'm 15 years. I don't want to be hurting my case here. Okay. All right. I also listen, that's, let's just throw this in there. That's the plumber area. Yeah. The plumber and also, uh, USSR geopolitical shit. I don't know. Yeah, they were cheating. They were doping. That's why they're not in the Olympics. Yeah, actually. Oh no, here's what we'll go with. Kasparov, uh, had two different times is he

didn't, he wasn't number one for 20 years because he was Kasparov, USSR Kasparov Russia, different guys, different guys different guys different guy. Yeah. The flag change flag. I'm looking right now the flag change head to head. Yeah. You versus him. Who won. I only played him a couple of times. You know 21 years ago I managed one draw. Okay. And then we're actually working together back in 2009 which was extremely after he'd retired so he was my coach for a bit. It was extremely helpful for me but then we played a few training games. We didn't play too many because it got too competitive and you know, I love that. It would kind of ruin the whole vibe.

Yeah. Uh, but I think then it was barely even like I had slight edge, but it wasn't, there wasn't a huge, uh, huge difference. So, so as you've been so good, yeah. As you've been so good for so long, do you have to find new ways to keep yourself engaged? Are you ever like, I've played all the chess, I've thought about every possible combination of moves. How do you stay at the top if you've been that dominant for that long? Easy answer is that I love playing and to me the next tournament is the most important, right?

The next game is what I'm concerned with. So there is nothing particular that I would love to win except for the next game. So I'm you know I'm still living and breathing when I'm at tournaments but honestly I don't have a lot yet to to achieve so I just yeah I just love playing. Yeah have you thought about maybe trying checkers? Honestly I don't even know the rules of checkers. I could beat you at checkers. You're a bum. I didn't mean that.

You're the goat. That's very funny. I mean, and also we definitely couldn't. Yeah. You would sit down at the board and immediately you'd say, okay, two seconds to figure out what, what what what a can you explain the jeans thing. The fact that you got you got fined most ridiculous thing ever. Is that just the chess has to figure out a way to kind of get with the times

because you actually got fined for wearing jeans to a tournament. Yeah. the thing was that there was a dress code and general dress code was, I don't know, business casual or smart casual, something like that. But the thing is, I was in a lounge that ran a little bit late and I went back to the hotel, got changed. I just forgot to change my jeans. It was an honest mistake. These were decent jeans. I had a nice shirt. I had a jacket. I definitely met the general criteria for the vibe that you wanted for that tournament. And the most ridiculous part was that like chinos were allowed jeans for knots and players were checked for hands that, well, these looks look like jeans, but they're actually chinos.

So it's okay. So it was about the material. Like somebody came up and had to, they felt it when it, when, when it's a, it was, it's, it's like a 200 player tournament in a big hall. And most people, like they, they don't make a ton of money from, from chess. Like they cannot necessarily afford to have nice, nice suits and so on. But in my case, it was case it was an honest mistake and I was told that I was going to get fined and if I don't change for the next game then I will be forfeited. Which

I thought was so insane that I thought there was no way they were going to enforce that seeing as I looked perfectly presentable and well then it turns out they did and then I was like yeah fine whatever. I understand, they have certain roles and they want to, want to enforce them, but I think the, the, the, uh, you know, I, I, I still think it was absolutely ridiculous, but yeah, I, uh, I'm not sure if I'm the best ambassador for the whole jeans thing because, you know, I like wearing jeans, but as I said, it was an honest mistake, but it's become a thing now. So now I'm obviously wearing jeans to everything. Yeah, I like that.

Yeah. Can you wear shorts? No, one player was actually forfeited for wearing shorts at a tournament. That's crazy. His explanation was that well this is a knockout tournament and honestly I expected to get knocked out in the first couple of rounds. I don't have any more clothes to use. This is all I got. You see, this is the level we're at at chess tournaments. But that's why I loved playing from home online tournaments during the pandemic. Like you can be sure that I was rocking shorts under the table in a lot of those online events.

Would you play better if you're wearing shorts? Yeah. So I was living by the sea. So a lot of times I would use the breaks in between games, like go for a little swim. I would come back with my hair all wet and with my bathing shorts dripping and just sitting down on the towel and playing the games. Love that. Do you think that your hair gives you an edge like can you tell that your opponent gets mesmerized sometimes? Yeah I don't know I just I'm too lazy to

do anything about it unfortunately but But that has also become a thing now. So whenever I actually make my hair people just get freaked out. We are heartthrob as well. Your bad boy heartthrobs goes do you bat. One last thing about the goat and I have one last question after that because I know you're going to run but you're being humble by saying you know Kasparov and everyone else there's no one who can touch you right now though right. Like no one in a in a in a full tournament setting can touch you right now. No I mean I will lose a game here and there in a tournament here and there but at the moment I would say that I I'm definitely the best that every at every format that we we play and

Honestly, my closest competitors are still the the old guys guys around my age Mm-hmm. So yeah, the kids they're good, but they're, they're not quite, uh, quite there yet. I love that shit. I love that. Yeah. We got to start talking more shit. Can we talk shit on your behalf? You did, you did post a Omar from the wire, uh, post, you know, that was, that was kind

of talking some shit. I liked that. Can I, is it wrong if I admit that that was not me and that was my social media guy I probably wouldn't have done that myself. Okay. Okay. Are we allowed to post clips from the wire on your behalf? Yeah, for sure You make a great move with your light squared bishop and then we do the weebay where he's like looking around like holy shit Yeah, that one this one sure one sure Okay, we're allowed to tell people that you'd fuck you'd fuck a bitch up with your your light squared bishop any day of the week Dark square dark square. I knew that

All right, I gotta tighten that up. I got tight. We're working on the light square. Yeah, we're working on it No, that's actually no I said it right. It's your you'd fuck him up with your off bishop even though the one you're not even Yeah, yeah, yeah, you'd get your ass. That's true. You'll beat their ass you know left handed. I don't know what what dominant hand you are. But yeah that's how you got your hand. Yes. I'm less fooded though. Oh that's great. All right. Yeah Magnus I got one last question. We really appreciate it man. It's been awesome. Row back question. Archo B a c k dot com promo code take 20 percent off your first purchase. Q zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts, row back dot com promo code take. So my last question is so in the future

of chess and where you're going, how actually I have a different question because I heard this about you and I find it very interesting. There's a timer for chess, right? So what is the timer in a tournament setting or is it very tournament to tournament. It varies tournament to tournament but you can say that classical chess is usually about two hours per game and then you have rapid chess or just like 15 20 minutes and you have let's chess which is five minutes or less. OK. So I was listening to an interview and it was really interesting to me that you said that basically there are times when someone who you're playing,

they will take forever to make a decision and you know in your heart of hearts, if you go past about 10, 15 minutes, you're not gonna find something that wasn't there. And I feel like that's a good way to live life where it's like people overthink everything now and you're like in chess, I will have, I will know, like I will go through my list of, of what strategies I want within

the first 10 minutes. If it's not there, you got to just make a move. No, that's, that's true for, for, for sure. And that is something that chess teaches you as well. Exactly that, that you have to make decisions constantly. And they're not going to be based on perfect information. But how much better is it, is it going to get if you, if you procrastinate? That's, that's uncertain.

Before we go, one last thing that I will say, because I'm going to get in trouble after otherwise. What's that? It's that my wife loves the pizza reviews. Oh, okay. That's one bite. We got to get you. Listen, are you come to America for tournaments. I'm coming to Vegas for a freestyle tournament and and July. What is a freestyle tournament get crazy freestyle. That's the is that the Bobby Fisher one with the random. Yeah that's where you randomize the starting position. Yeah. Okay. Well we'll we'll we we'll, we'll exchange contact information. Maybe we get you on a pizza review. That would be fun. Yeah. Yeah. She'd love that for sure. Okay. Awesome. Well, awesome. Thank you so much, Magnus. You are our goat. Uh, we will defend you now. Who's your, who's your biggest rival? Like who should be in big cat set our sights on and, and,

and make sure that they know that they're not the goat. I would say it's yet to come. Yeah, there's no way. There's no way. I like that. Actually, the real answer to who your biggest rival is, is you not eating Chinese food during a game after playing 18 holes of golf. That's the only way you're going to lose. Yeah, sadly. Yeah. All you so much Magnus, we appreciate it. Thanks. Magnus Carlsen was brought to you by State Farm.

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Download the Experian app today. And now here's guys on chicks. Okay, let's wrap up. We got guys on chicks. Hank. Yeah, let's do it. My boyfriend cannot stop golfing. I bought him new clubs for his birthday assuming he would want to play golf with me, but he has an addiction. He has played seven days in a row, only watches YouTube golf videos and claim he's going to break 90 this year. What is a way to get him away from the course or to be able to get me involved in golfing with him? He takes practice swings constantly at home and claims if he did it full time, he could

become pro or make a cool YouTube channel. Okay, so you bought him the clubs though. Yeah, so this is, you bought him the clubs with an understanding that he would golf with you? Do you have clubs? Does this lady have clubs? Probably not. I honestly think if she just said hey, can we golf together? He'd probably be like, okay Yeah, and this is also we've talked about this less than a million times But before you start dating you have to have all your hobbies set because you can't just add golf

You can add golf, but you can't add golf addict. No, there's a difference there's you could be a golfer, but if this guy's playing seven days a week and YouTube tutorials and Practicing swing in the living room. That's gonna you're gonna need to ease into that one. Yeah, Hank Are you addicted like that? No, you're not even you're actually I wouldn't say you're a golf addict like that No, I thought that described me pretty well. Oh, okay. I like I like I watched I just watched golf like I'll put on a TV show and watch like an episode and then just like throwing YouTube Do you practice swing? Uh, not really. I mean I mess around here. I had some putts like a little putting green. Oh nice Okay, but yeah, I mean Every every guy just wants to be Ryan Whitney after he stopped playing hockey

Yeah, that was like the greatest statement. I've ever heard in my life Yeah, the problem my problem with golf is it's not four hours No No If you're playing around a golf in in most urban locations if you have to you know go for a drive to get to the Course you're looking at probably I'd say six and a half to eight hour investment That's my thing is 12 holes make 12 12 hole golf courses, 12 hole golf courses. We perfect. You'd be in and out in two, two 15 done.

Yeah. Or yeah, like you said, it really is that you can't pick it up after the fact grace all the free time. They want to be golfing. You want to be doing whatever it else it is. It's just going to come to a head. You can't even, you can't even substitute a golf addiction for a former addiction that you had. Yeah. Like you have to, you have to start the relationship being like, just so you know, I've got really 19 holes in my life and I spent a lot more time with the first 18 than the last one. Or, that's where it's like also it's it's no, I was talking about the but oh exclusively, but it's not really feasible

because like it's an it's actually insane like how expensive country club memberships are. But like if you are at a country club that has a pool and like a restaurant and stuff, yeah, go. Yeah, like, you know, just let's hang out the club. But I'm thinking about it now. The move now that we're talking it out is for any single guys out there and you're not addicted to golf, pretend you're addicted to golf. And then you can slowly ease it back and look like a hero.

Ahead of time. Yeah. Yeah, because you think one day you might get a golf addiction. Right. Or even if you don't get a golf addiction, being like, yeah, I play golf seven days a week, but for you, I'm going to do five. I'm going to quit. Yeah. And then just use that time to go to the bar and watch games. Mm-hmm

My fiance is starting a new job and now is telling me he can't take a day on day or two off for a trip We had pre-planned for my birthday, which is in his third week I've told him the trip was pre-planned and his job will understand but he's insisting he can't go because it's a bad look For his new job, which has turned into a big fight. Am I crazier? Is he right? You got to try. No, he's he's a pussy Yeah, you got a try. He should have they tell him no he should have said when he was applying for the job Hey, I have a vacation in three weeks. Yeah, like is that cool? Yeah, he's just was a pussy about it And now I also think that's one of those things. It's smart And I guess I haven't really ever started a new job. But when you start a new job that's a great statement

to have never started. Are you. You're one Jersey guy one Jersey guy. Just go in and say I have a preplanned vacation two weeks. Correct. Three weeks in. Because that's always yes. You as an employer like you have to's such an asshole to be like yeah you know it happens all the time they're not gonna say we're not gonna hire you because you have you're taking a Friday off right right but as you're going through the application process you might think that in the back of your head you got to make sure that they want you more than you need them yeah this guy yeah you do this woman you to just tell you tell your boyfriend and nut up

What what you say max my first week at barstool my brother was getting married that weekend And I missed the rehearsal dinner cuz I was too scared to tell Dave That's rehearsal I know but my brother was mad how'd you do huh? How'd you do at the wedding? Had I was good. You see ever practice. Oh Rehearsal dinner isn't like no, it's not a rehearsal That's where the game plan that's where the install goes in but it was also around the same time like this is This will be real real ones will remember this like them the the golf guy That was missing work for golfing and then Dave fired him.

Yeah. So is that the, you remember that, Hank? Yeah. Well this is why whenever you apply for a job, you tell- You're like a gambling intern. You tell the employer, like, I have a golf addiction, even if you don't.

Yeah. And then you can just be like, I'm leaving for a golf trip. But I feel that. Real jobs is, no, no, no, real jobs is different. I didn't, I mean, I didn't, I didn't do any, I was scared to do anything for like five years with Dave. That's a little different. I didn't I mean I didn't I didn't Do any I was scared to do anything for like five years with Dave? That's a little different, but I feel like now we're a real company when we interview people they say that it's like yeah No problem. Yeah, I've had that happen like multiple times in the last year where someone says oh yeah, by the way like four weeks

I have a vacation. Okay great I'm with pug when he first started yeah, I went down my assistant. He was like hey. I have a wedding I told you we say like yeah, no problem. Just say that no, but even if you don't yeah We're just we're just teaching everyone how to just kind of skirt around some you take your first two weeks the second you start Yeah, that's how you really honey. Yeah honeymoon Sup big cat PFT and Hank. I've been dating my boyfriend for six months now We both love to travel and we go into Italy at the end of the month

My boyfriend handled booking the flights for us, and I just logged on to Delta to confirm everything was put in correctly I was shocked to discover he booked himself in business class and me and economy I'm a teacher and he does very well at his job Slight what do I tell him? That is insane. You know what he's saying? Diabolical. That is insane.

He sounds like a good guy. Sounds like this will work out. Dude, why? He basically is just setting up for a fight in Italy. He might. He's basically going to a boxing match in Italy. I'm going to read this the best possible way and say, he's going to say when you get to

the airport that he's in business, you're in economy and at the last second switch and let you go in business. No. And if that doesn't happen, you need to just not get on that flight. Wow. You need to say like something's off about this flight. I don't feel good. I'm going home.

That that that motherfucker is not real. Yeah. Something like that. Yeah. There's what there's one thing that I oh If he has what if he has like points this stat Like a certain status that he can sit anywhere on the flight for free. You got to let her know though Yeah, yeah, I've had this fight. Well, you've done this you both not know it's both economy, but I get I Can sit I can sit like? Like six aisle and then she's and then my girlfriend's like 30 aisle there are 30 window

And then I have to go back to third 30 aisle and I'm like I had six I had six aisle Yeah, or with more legroom and she and first off the plane But it's cuz I'm I have I can sit wherever I want on the plane right you Alright, so man. This is a brutal one. Uh if the guys listening Here's what you got to do. You got to be like, hey, I Thought that like at least one of us should have some sleep on this flight. I'll handle everything when I get there But you're screwed. He's or he also he could play the well I thought that we could split it when one of us is sleeping we can go up to be a

Or and the other person can go back or maybe it's like I'll take business on the way there You get business on the way back. Here's guys of more on Here's what not you do second you booked those flights those flights, you know what's coming. You know it. Here's what's not to do. And cause I've, I've tried this in varying points in my life where I'm like, I'm, I'm taller. I need, I need this. You don't. That's a bad idea. Tried that doesn't work. I've done the reverse cause I don't really care that much. And it's a great, yeah. Yeah. What a crazy move though. He basically just signed and sealed his vacation to be a knockdown, drag out fight for at least two days. This is, it's such a weird move to do. He can't possibly be like, I'm going

to sit in first. You sit back there. But he would be comfortable. He's going to move back. He's going to let her, I, you lose the fight every time you got lose it. Yeah. Yeah I mean, there's no way to win the fight even no way to win Even if you get to stay in your seat like you're gonna lose She should leave him. He had to have gotten that that they've been date for how long had to have gotten that six months If he doesn't give you the seat You break up with him if he spent extra like if he spent five grand like out of his own pocket to move Well, she said he does well and yeah, not also move then this is the worst guy on the in the world Like if he spent five grand like out of his own pocket to move that seat

He does well and yeah not also move then this is the worst guy on the in the world You know what I'm like choosing to believe that this guy isn't that much of an you know Big cap makes a good point the guy he does well he works hard. He does well She's a teacher. He does very well financially. She should not get your cash up. She probably wouldn't even like it No, this guy's the she probably be like what is this bubbly water? Yeah, that's champagne come on Yeah, maybe what you should do is go back in the middle of the flight and give her like Eighth of a piece of pizza and a little sip of like a diet Pepsi. I'll give you here you go pizza party I'll give you the crackers

You get all my snacks. Oh, is that it Hank? I want more. So one more what happened Lost it. Wait, is he a troop? He might be a true if he's a true That's his seat. Yeah respect could big cat eat an entire machine of ice cream genuine question after seeing him down numerous cups Of milkshakes during the duck-duck challenge. Hmm. What would be the amount of time? I Mean that's what that's gallon how much ice cream there's Zack what does it goes what goes in there don't take off your headphones Zack Zack how many gallons hold in there in the machine so it's 20 courts each side 40 courts total four courts in a gallon 40 divided by 10 gallons 10 gallons no for four gallons how many gallons in the whole thing?

Once a super cut super calculated he's got the calculator out 40 quartz Yes, so there's so 10 gallons of mix, but each gallon of mix makes 1.5 gallons of soft serve. Oh my gosh, so it's even more Each gallon of mix makes 1.5 gallons of soft serve. Oh my gosh, so it's even more. It's 15 gallons. So 15 gallons of soft serve ice cream would be our max if we filled it all the way up. There's no way. No chance.

It would take me a month. That's so much ice cream. Yeah, I'd drown in ice cream. All right, let's wrap up the show. Zach, I have a question for you. Yes, sir. I drove you home on Sunday night. Had a great time. I appreciate the ride very much.

Yeah. What floor do you live on in your condo? I'm on the 14th floor of the building. Oh, 14th. Okay, 14th. How long, PFT and Hank, how long do you think? 14th floor. He lives on the 14th floor. How long did you avoid standing next to the windows? Roughly between one and a half to two weeks. Okay, you just didn't go even close. I didn't want to go through them Yeah, what do you mean? Like I didn't want to get close enough like I didn't want to get close enough to the window like Say God forbid I asked the leasing lady She said this double pane thick glass but like if you were to go through a window at the 14th floor You're finito. You're done right So I just stayed a little bit back.

Are these like floor to ceiling windows? Yeah, they start at the ground so you can kind of peek and see like, ooh, you know, like, oh shit, if I go down there, it's over. But you live in a studio. Yes. So you took like a quarter of your apartment away. I did avoid a decent amount of the square footage I cuz the windows right there, but I'm more comfortable with it now

I've got reassurance and then okay how much people let me know I was an idiot and I should just get to the window How much room would you give yourself between? You know where the window was and where you had to stand just like a good foot And then I made sure I wasn't like putting pants on or anything close to getting dressed in more And so when I would avoid things that I would have to balance for near the windows too So like are you a fall risk? Not a fall risk. No. I got a window of water that high. Sometimes we have water. I think those windows are built that they could take you. I, they say, yeah, it's always until I just like the idea of

you being in what, how many square feet is your apartment? Things like three 99. And you were just, you just cut off just say 400 Yeah, you just oh yeah You just cut off a portion of your apartment cuz you're like I can't get near these windows, but it's it's on the wall So you just it's not like it was It was easy easily avoidable. Yeah, very easily avoidable. We're comfortable near the windows now pretty much for this part pretty much No, are you afraid of heights? I? Don't it's not it's the fear of falling that gets me. So I guess, yes, heights, a little iffy on.

Yeah, I hear you. Yeah, it can be. Terrified of heights. Terrified, although I went down the Brewer's slide last night. Oh, nice. And they warned me. They said, Bernie's slide, if you're afraid of heights,

it's a very tough, tough thing to do. No problem. I've been working on myself. Love that. Been working on myself. That's impressive. Yeah, you can do it too. You can get yourself in. So can you know you get to the playground

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