Pardon My Take - Von Miller, The PAC 12 Is Dead, We Had A Real Baseball Fight + Mt Rushmore Of Acronyms

Episode Date: August 7, 2023

The PAC 12 is dead and we talk about the latest conference realignment and how much it sucks for college football, even though we’re still going to watch (00:00:00-00:19:46). Tim Anderson got absolutely rocked after a real baseball fight for once. USWNT sucks at soccer. Has Philadelphia lost their fastball after giving Trea Turner a standing O (00:19:46-00:36:33). Who’s back of the week including Hank suing us under Elon’s new laws (00:36:33-00:47:11). Von Miller joins the show from Bills Camp to talk about his career, being a vet, fart fines, GM Von, kissing his dad and more (00:47:11-01:24:23). We then do Mt Rushmore of acronyms to wrap up the show (01:24:23-01:43:47).You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/PardonMyTake

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Oh, yeah. Welcome to part of my take today is Monday, August 7th. And the pack 12 is dead, completely dead. I feel bad for Washington state fans. I feel bad for some of the Oregon state fans. Cal Stanford. Realignment kind of sucks for them. Now it's gonna be cool when you look at the football schedules in like two years

and you get to see some of these matchups. Correct. So that's good. I like that for us, but it does kind of suck. I feel bad for them. It's a I'm very conflicted and I also know when I'm speaking about this before anyone tries to correct me. I know that I'm speaking from a place where my team is safe. So it definitely changes how I look at the realignment.

Realignment does suck. It sucks because the Pac-12 has been around for over 100 years. I like it. Not for the champions. I liked that there was different brands of football. I just don't understand when people say that college football is dying because guess what on Saturday, I will still watch.

And there are some new wrinkles that I actually am excited about. The big 12 rocks, the new big 12 rocks. The fact that we're gonna get like Kansas and Arizona playing basketball every single year, that rocks. Texas Tech and UCF is going to be my game of the year over every single year that rocks. Texas Tech and UCF is going to be my game of the year over every single year.

Like there are new wrinkles that are awesome. Washington, Oregon, playing in Rutgers, that will rock. Yeah, I guess. It will rock. But what if you're like a, one of the smaller sports, like if you're a volleyball player, and you have to travel now to Piscataway. Well, this is the hypocrisy of the whole thing is when all these athletic department heads and, you know, presidents of the schools are like student athletes, student athletes,

and they're like, oh yeah, an Oregon softball player now has to travel to Rutgers for like a weekend and then come back. They are they're not doing anything for student athletes. It is all for the money. It's all for the TV money. Fox and ESPN have basically run how college football looks going forward. And the pack 12 completely bungled the whole thing. So Larry Scott. Larry Scott is he's the big villain in all this. Larry Scott, when they brought him in, they were like, this guy is a visionary. He understands the future of sports better than anybody.

I remember he was doing like the rounds. He was, he was gonna interview it on every podcast. Or he has not podcasted at the time. Every sports radio show, he was all over ESPN. He's like, I have the vision to lead the pack 12 into the future. Basically his vision was just fucking everything up and making everybody hate him. Yeah, no.

So the best he could do for them was he had the Apple TV deal that the pack 12 was gonna sign, which sounds like, okay, for those of us that watch Apple TV, probably not that big of a deal, but the reality of the situation is there's a lot of alumni, there's a lot of fans of these teams that don't watch sports on Apple TV. They want their sports easy to find on linear TV.

That's the new commissioner by the way. The new Larry Scott was out. Larry Scott was out. Larry Scott basically created the death of the Pac-12 and then the new commissioner George Clevecoff basically buried them all the way. But Larry Scott was the guy that absolutely fucked everything up. He just kind of milked everybody for all their money

and he spent it on like $10,000 hotel suites He was very much trying to build the brand of Larry Scott the vision the visionary well He created he created a Programming network that like pretty much the entire country couldn't get on their TV Yeah, and yeah, they got boxed into a spot where George Clevecoff got hopped in line by the big 12 on the rights. So the big 12 was able to get their rights. And then Apple TV was it. And it was like half the money that the big 10 or the SEC is getting and paying out to each one of their teams. And even even even in like the dying breasts, they almost were able to save it.

And it was Washington, Oregon was like, wait, why would we sign up for something that gets $23 million when all these other big conferences are making 50 million a year? And also no one's gonna watch our games and we're not gonna be on linear TV. And it's all falling apart. Washington made a good point, which was like if the strength and we're not gonna be on linear of TV and it's all falling apart. Washington is over.

Washington made a good point, which was like if the strength and the big selling point for why we should do this deal is the fact that we're going to be able to get out of the deal in two years. Once we sign it, then that's a bad deal. If the best part of your contract is the fact that you are going to be allowed

to leave your contract, bad contract move on. It was, they basically were trying, he was, Cleveland was trying to sell the, the pack 12 teams on a commission structure. They're like, if you, if we get five million new subscribers, we could eventually end up being like Big 10 schools. Yeah, and what this was really about was the Big 10, had the leg up on the pack 12 when it came to

how long the duration of the contract was. So when the big, the big 10 was able to renegotiate their media deal before the pack 12 was and then they got all the good time slots and they got, they got put in in a favorable position on the TV deal and then the pack 12 was like, well, you mean the big 12? The big 10 was already set. The big 10 came to the, yeah. So the pack 12, they had, they signed too long of a deal of 12 year contract. And the big 12 hopped the yeah so the pack 12 they had they signed too long of a deal of 12 year contract and the big 12 hopped in front of the pack 12. That's what it was. Yes, it

eras. Yeah, so they should have done like an eight year deal not a huge massive long term deal even though this piece of shit Larry Scott was like this is what's going to set us up for the most success in the future is signed this big deal. It's stable. They got jumped in line and so then they were just standing there with their dick in their hand. And they also didn't have a linear partner. Like the big 10 had its own. Big 10 did something similar to the Pac-12 where they made it the big 10 network,

but they also had it in conjunction with Fox so you could watch their big games. And the Pac-12 was just completely antiquated. I have a quote for you that I'd like you to just tell me who maybe said this was from 2021 This was said you look at the metrics you look at the numbers and anyway you cut and slice and dice the numbers You come to the conclusion that no pack 12 school is going to the big 12 That would be bill Walton that was George cleave cough the

Pack 12 commission like two weeks ago, right? No, that was two years ago. But still, he could not have been more wrong. It completely, the Pac-12 is completely gone. I don't really know. Like, part of me thinks that the Pac-12's best chance now is to just take the four remaining schools and be like, hey, Mountain West,

you want to just be the new pack 12? Well, that's Gonzaga's fine. It's their time to shine. Now they're gonna play in a major conference after everybody else has already left. I saw one idea, this might be the stupidest idea. I guess maybe if you're a money guy, it might make sense, but they're thinking about doing just a coastal conference,

like both the Atlantic coast and the West coast. So like the most spread out possible conference. They've already lost the biggest coastal that you can make. Yes, I know. I know, but they're saying like the next idea up is to replace those teams with teams from the East coast and just make an ocean conference.

Yeah, the ACC tried to do a last second, like let's save the pack 12 and go back to our alliance days. And it was a figure out something. That was the golden age. It sucks. It does suck. I do feel bad, um, for the teams that were left out. I just, I go back to the point of, I'm going to keep watching. And there is something a little funny about being like tradition in this sport. When, I don't know, 25 years ago, they were still just arbitrarily naming

multiple national champions. Like, the college footballs fucked up all the time. It does suck that we're losing the historical tradition of the Pac-12. I'm not in favor of it. It's just, like I said, the TV, basically the TV rights have controlled both all the big conferences and said,

this is what you're gonna do. Yeah. And there's nothing you can do about it. There was one thing that the I think as a president of Washington said that this isn't totally about dollars and cents. It's a hundred percent about 100 percent. It's there's no other thing that factored in the equation close to the level that money has just played this whole thing. Correct. There's there's absolutely no reason for this to ever occur in a sport where like traditions and the fan bases that have grown up watching these games are still active. They still care about it. There's no other reason to switch things up to this magnitude besides the fact that you're

going to get paid a shitload more money. Yeah. And it's, it's future safety that all these teams are vying for and the big 10 provides it. The SEC provides it. The big 12 weirdly like they've done a great job. They were on the ropes and they've done a great job of adding. They are going to be the funnest conference.

That's for sure. You know what we need? We need Saudi Arabia to step up. They start funneling some money into college space. They might. For Florida State, Florida State's looking for outside investment. Florida State, Miami would definitely, they would give an arm and let,

well, that's probably a bad choice. They would love would love to be in bed with a probably another bad choice. They would love to do business with the Saudi side of government. Correct. Um shadow Colorado by the way. Colorado maybe like the the most foresight of any university because they left the big 12 for the pack 12 15 years ago. And then they left the pack 12 for the pack 12 15 years ago. And then they left the pack 12 for the big 12 right as the pack 12 was about to die. They were just reloading. They were just getting ready.

They've just hopped from rock to rock and survived this whole thing. Dancing through the raindrops. Yeah, it does suck though. And it's going to be weird. I will say this though, this college football season is going to rule because you have all of this, all of everything status quo and it's going to be so much animosity between like not only Texas, Oklahoma being in the big 12 this year, going to the SEC UCLA, USC staying in the pack 12 this year, going to the big 10 Washington organ like all these

games are going to be there's going to mean a lot, lot more like year, going to the big 10 Washington organ, like all these games are going to be, there's gonna be a lot, lot more, like there's gonna be some real, real anger for the teams that are left behind. The conference realignment discussion that we have, and it seems like it's every off season we talked about something different that's going on with that. It's like the least appealing part of college football.

Yeah, no, it's us. I love, and at the end of the day, we're gonna watch the games that are still gonna be games on that kickoff after 10 p.m. on a Saturday. We're going to be happy about that. We're going to watch them. We're going to have a good time. Most of most of America will have a good time. But it is going to leave some people out. And the teams that are getting left out in this are the smaller schools in the pack 12. And it just sucks for them. They have no leverage relates to stand up to this big money. It's the worst part about sports.

Yeah, and it shouldn't have happened, but it's unfortunately happened. RIP, PAC-12 after dark. That's sad. I mean, that was the best. If you are a traditionalist, and you are someone who's like, I wish college football would just stay the way it was,

you should just be a Mac fan. Cause the Mac does not change. Mac's not going anywhere. So uh, this was from Ben Scott Stevens, said the mid American conference, a staple of consistency, all 12 current full members have been in the conference. Since at least 1998, half of the league has been a member since 1952. None of the other nine FBS conferences can say that Maxion is your it is the it is like The traditionalists conference set your watch to Max. It is Mac football So they they are the big winner in the fact that they will not change. They won't they won't I think we should do a pizza party for the winner of the pack 12

Not this year, but next year. Yeah future plans. That's that's our contribution. Yeah, the pack 12 just fucked us up every single way and they also even like voting against, like they delayed the vote on automatic qualifiers for the expanded playoff, that fucked them. Because they, like, they're just, they could not have screwed this up more. And it does suck because like we said, for the student athletes, it's brutal.

Yes. Because a lot of those guys, like, if you're a student athlete in California, and you say, oh, I'm gonna go to a school in California, even Oregon or Washington, because I want my parents to be able to go see the games, my family see the games, that's out the window now. Like, you go to Oregon, your family's not gonna travel

to Indiana to see a game in the middle of like October. It's just, it becomes very, very difficult to do all that stuff. And the sport is completely changed. I want to know what's going to happen with the Cougars flag on game day. Are we going to keep that up? Is there going to be a protest? Oh, they will. They should boycott.

They will. No, they're yet because the SPN's part of the reason. Yeah, the SPN and Fox. If I was watching state, I would boycott college game day. I would not have a flag in the background. Silent protest, get more eyes on the on the issue right there. Probably won't accomplish anything. But it was in the message loud and clear.

Yeah. So I'm going to still watch. There will be some fun new wrinkles. The big 12 does rule now. Just looking at the teams. Did you see the map to poor New Mexico? No, it's every state around New Mexico. New Mexico is not still in their own thing.

They're just completely, they're completely locked in. It's just the entire big 12 is around New Mexico. And this is also going to all be up for discussion in probably two or three more years. I don't know. I mean, it does. There's going to be more changes. It just nothing stays the same in college. Yeah, I mean, there will be more change because the ACC still has to get figured out

in the ACC season in a bad deal that they're trying to get out of. But yeah, the whole thing sucks and I still will watch. I am both upset but also resigned to the fact that I am completely controlled by the fact that if you put live football, college football or college basketball on a TV, I will watch. Yeah. It's like, uh, was it Trump's Diet Coke tweet? Like the people at Coke are mad at me.

That's okay. I'll keep drinking that garbage. Yeah. I'll watch football. If football is on TV, I will be watching. Right. Um, okay. Anything else from realignment? I mean, I did see the interior exterior, uh, big 10 conferences that are divisions that they were throwing out there, kind of interesting inside outside. Yeah, be inside outside. Who's in the middle? It would be like Wisconsin, Minnesota, Indiana, Purdue, North West, North West, Illinois, power, power, power, power, power.

And then it would be like, you know, Washington, USC, UCLA, Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, all those kinds of places. I feel like Rutgers should be in interior. No, they're exterior, unfortunately. Maryland's interior. Okay. This is just sources that I've heard. So, uh, what are they, what are they going to do?

How are they going to divvy that up? You might not have that sweet schedule. I don't think, I think they're going, I don't think you can make, I think it's just going to be an 18 team conference. And because the college football playoff is expanding, knowing that like three, maybe even four big 10 teams will go to the college football playoff. You just deal with it. You know what I mean?

Like it's not, it would be a perfect world. The problem is, what would have been great is if they had gotten to a nice like 16 team conferences and two automatic bids, or you can play like two playoff games, like two big 10 playoff games for an automatic, you know, bid. Now it's just going to be the big 10 and SEC are going to be like eight of the 12 teams in the college football play. The patch. What happens to the Rose Bowl? Rose Bowl is gone. Well, you see a late place

home games there. I don't know if the Rose Bowl worked out a deal to be still in the college football playoff. I'm sure to be still in the college football playoff. I'm sure they're still in the college football playoff, like every every few years they get the national title game. But yeah, it's it's a sock. It sucks. These things suck. The Pac-12 needs to figure out some way to get people to continue watching their games, even without the big matchups. They got to figure out a way to do. I don't know it needs to like Savannah bananas of college football. No, they need to add them out in West. I think that's the move because otherwise those teams are just going to go.

I've heard that maybe Cal stops playing football. Stanford goes independent and then Oregon State and Washington State joined them out in West. I love that Stanford would go independent. Yeah. Why not? I mean, it's crazy to think that just 12 years ago, like Stanford was a team that was, you know, the Harbour, early David Shaw years, was just in the mix every single year.

And that, like, even those little wrinkles I'm gonna miss, I'm gonna miss every year, believing that Oregon is so fucking good, they can beat anyone, and then they play Stanford in November and get punched in the mouth and lose, and I'm like, how'd I lose all my money again? That was a nice ride to pass it. It sucks, I hope they figured it out.

I do feel bad for the smaller schools getting fucked over in this. Yeah, no, it's part about sports. And those schools are really fucked because to keep up with everyone else, they've put a ton of money into their facilities and stadium and now they have a shitload of debt.

Like I think Washington State just revamped their entire stadium. Yeah, they had to. And now they're fucking, yeah. They're not gonna be playing big time power five football anymore. It is kind of crazy how in America, football controls our education system. Yeah, it does.

Football rules everything around me, free him. I know. All right, other things that happened this weekend, Tim Anderson got knocked out. Cold. Good fight though. I like seeing guys square up. This needs to happen in baseball.

It was awesome. It should be like in hockey, it should be like in lacrosse. If two guys engage in mutual combat, I love the umpires stepping back. He's like, unbelievable move by hand. Left the boy's swing. Yeah, they don't pay that guy enough to step in and take some shots.

Yeah. I know it would be nice if Angel Hernandez stepped in and just got caught straight. Got caught. But yeah, they should do that in every sport. Like if you want to fight a guy, fight the guy. And it's very rare for as much as baseball has fighting, you know, in the fact that they have fighting that's allowed somewhat.

It's very rare that you see a guy get knocked out cold. I think it's only, I was thinking about it. What Joey Bats got knocked out, right? Yeah, he got knocked down. He got knocked out. I don't say he got knocked out. Tim Anderson got knocked out, right? Yeah, he got knocked down. He got knocked out. I don't say he got knocked out. Tim Anderson got knocked out. That, if you're Tim Anderson,

someone on your team has to be like, hey, just lay down and wait for the cart. Because if you take the cart out, then you know that everyone has to say, well, he might be really injured. We have to be care, like, don't make jokes. Instead, he tried to walk it off. That's not good.

He was just falling all over the place. And Tim, yeah, it's tough when you're the guy who squares up to get knocked out. I do love that moment though, when the guys look at each other and they jaw and then they agree to fight, drop the gloves, and then go for it. Yeah. You don't see that in baseball.

It was a Przenzki, like that, like, took off the chin. Yeah, that was a good fight too. It's rare that you get little punches thrown connections made in a baseball fight. If I were Anderson, I would have laid on the ground and then waited for about five minutes and then stood up and be like, I got the win knocked out of me. Right. And then everyone, no, no one can be like, no, you didn't do. Also, did you see the body shot? I landed.

Yeah. I thought this was going to be a longer fight. He did land a good body shot. And you could just say Jose Ramirez, like he just was swinging wild. He did connect, but yeah, it was a lucky shot. Hank, what do you think? I mean, it was on a wild they would he knocked him out. Yeah, no, he knocked him out. And the radio call, Tim Anderson looks like a fool.

I'm just trying to play devil's advocate of like, if you're Tim Anderson, what would you do? I'd wait for the cart. That's that trip. I'd treat out a clip of at your for the cart. I'd treat out a clip of at your dover's fist. I'd treat out a clip of the kidney shot and be like, I was just working the body. Like, I thought this was going to go a few rounds. They should have stopped the fight. Right. Is an early stoppage. Right. I didn't give me a stand 10 count. That was messed up. Uh, yeah, I love the the announcer when he was doing the play by play of the

actual stolt was a stolen base sliding in a second and then he just seamlessly transitioned so like he now now he's calling a boxing fight. But now he goes Anderson, down goes Anderson. Oh, you're talking about the radio call. Yeah, incredible. But then he did a great job too. Yeah, where he was just like, all right. And now they're squaring up.

I love it. It's every sports announcer's dream to call an actual boxing match and they just wish they you got to stay ready for that moment when it presents. Yeah, but it was it's very rare that you see a guy get a clean shot in baseball and two guys square up. Tim Anderson also tough that he's having like worst year possible. Yeah, his one home run. That's where some have no home runs. And having one is it makes it stand out so much worse. I don't know what ended up happening. didn't follow up but poor white socks fans Eli Jimenez Like walking off hobbling he gets injured in a fight that he's not even in. Mm-hmm. It's just so perfect Incapsulation of his career. I would like to blame some of Tim Anderson's teammates for that too

Because if you're gonna hold somebody back hold him back, right? You were just kind of holding him up Right and letting him swing on your teammate. You did a half-ass job of protecting your guy. Yeah, I don't, I think maybe if he was playing better, they would have been a little bit more defensive of him. Yeah. And then Tim Anderson had a ton of tweets from like 10 years ago, being like, try me. I'll knock you out. Did he delete some of them?

He might have. I think he went back. I think he was so triggered that he went back online and deleted his old tweets. He was talking about how tough he was. He was so concussive. He's like, yeah, this will work. I'll just delete him. Yeah.

No one will ever know that they were there. Yeah, it was bad. Bad look for Tim. Yeah. Okay. Another bad look. US women soccer team out to stunk. Megan Rapinoe smiling as she missed.

She said that she was smiling because she was like, how the fuck did this not go in? She said she was smiling because it was the universe playing a sick joke on her. Yeah. Well, she bajeoted. She missed it, she missed it very, very high. That's a bad penalty. We did play well though.

We dominated the game. Sure. You got a score. I'm a big, I'm a big expected goals guy. You know the expected goals account that tweets out like, yeah, how many goals you should have scored? Like you were expected to score.

That is maybe the biggest crock of shit stat in sports. Yeah. Well, based on how you guys really played, you won two to nothing. I woke up right as she was missing. Or right as Sweden was hitting the goal that shouldn't have counted. Because if you save it, it shouldn't count that it bounces in. Yeah, I don't know how much time you have.

I think it's like the natural momentum of the ball. So even if you knock it out like six feet and it's got backspin and it rolls in, I think that counts as a goal. It should just be some contact. Someone should have walked on and been like, hey, Sweden, do you want this to be the highlight of the time you beat US?

Because it's not really a highlight. Because if you watch it, you're like, wait, he's she saved it. Yeah, and the ball crossed over by really a highlight. Because if you watch it, you're like, wait, he's saved it. Yeah, and the ball crossed over by like a millimeter. It's crazy. It was like one centimeter. Back to the one. That on goal line technology.

Yeah. Well, I think that was the first time that they did it for like a penalty kick situation in the world cup where it's like, okay, we can go to the camera and use that and see, okay, it was seriously like a millimeter over, but we didn't deserve to win. Yeah. We don't deserve to win.

We don't deserve to win that. Our team sucked this year. Carly Lloyd was right. She was very right. She was very right. And Alexey Lawless is sitting next to her. I think Alexey's pissed off that Carly Lloyd is out taking him on his own show. She was right.

Because he's usually the asshole that just makes ridiculous points. Carly Lloyd came over the top with an older man take on him. Alexi's the big loser bonus. Yes, yes. And then the other things I had, I had a couple questions for Max. Maxi's your, your, Mike work? Mike works. Can you explain Trey Turner to us?

What happened? Yeah, explain the whole thing. Good sports down, Hank, you're gonna like this, good sports down. Great player. Yeah, fantastic player. Trey Turner, really good. Really good. Making like 300 million sports now. Great player. Yeah. Fantastic player. Trey Turner. Really good baseball player.

Making like 300 million a year. Yup. Thought by many to be the best shortstop in baseball. Hasn't had the best year after the World Baseball Classic was really good in the World Baseball Classic. That's good. Oh, okay. So what happened on top of that?

Do we win the World Baseball Classic? So we did not. What place? Second. Oh, match. Oh, thanks. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, they are great sports town rally together and set and set instead of Boeing him we're going to give him a standing ovation every time he gets to the plate. So how long has that lasted? Now is this a heartfelt standing ovation or a sarcastic standing ovation?

I think it now is heartfelt. I was so confused watching Philadelphia give a standing ovation to a $300 million guy who has been playing bad. I thought I had missed the trade turner like had cancer and beat cancer and came back. That's how confused I was. No, that's just a good, that's just a good ball, ball town right now. You think so? Yeah.

And so much so that, uh, your franchise player, Joel and Bede tweeted LOL as it was happening. Yeah, well, he was probably salty because he gets booed. Right. baseball and basketball are different sports. He's an amazing baseball. baseball is like why would you do your MVP? Because sometime like in basketball and football, like negative reinforcement like pisses the player off and like makes them play play better. baseball is not that sort of game. This is great. No, you're winding yourself. No, this is a good take.

Keep going. And someone who played baseball and played football, if you were to boom me during football, I would have got pissed off, would have fucked a guy up and put on a gun. Wait, what's our little basketball? Yeah, well, I can't speak to basketball like that. You just love basketball and with football.

But baseball is such a confidence game. You need your confidence to like know that you're good enough to play. And then trade turner. Do you think you maxed factor fishing to win the game yesterday? It would probably make you feel worse if you were having an all time shit a year

and everybody sarcastically gave you a standing pull. Yeah, but that's your same thing. You're saying sarcastum, I'm not. Oh, so it's real. So what were they plotting in sarcastum? They're plotting because they're sucks. No, no, they're just saying like you're good. You got this. That's what Philly fans. Everyone knows that's what Philly fans are always always got good for town. So cheer for a player who is having a all-time bad year

boo in baseball, boo in basketball who's stinking and boo Santa Claus. Yeah, also I haven't watched a lot of the Phillies this week because it's been a busy, busy week and I just saw clips of it yesterday because I was moving and I was so confused. I was like, what is going on here? Yeah. But from what I've read into, I haven't really seen much of it, but apparently there was a push on social media to be like, let's give Turner a standing ovation when he gets. Now do you think that this is Philly getting soft?

Uh, no, that, I'm telling you, this is Philly, no, and ball. Okay. We're a booing town and basically all of our, all of our booze are strategic to, to, to you're the sports booze in the world strategic to to to you the smote the world because you want to motivate the player to get them get them down into the depths that they need to be to be successful. But baseball does work that way. So that's just like us being a very smart sports down and knowing that how it's trading now. He did it at home run to win the game.

He had a double right after it to get in and churns around. And he's one for two right now with a double. Okay, so I'm more. Yeah, he's he's on fire now. You have to as Philly start cheering everyone. You said the baseball baseball baseball. No, this is a precedent. No, I'm not baseball as a different sport.

If you're doing poorly, you need to be cheered in baseball. Correct. So do you start booing them now that he's good? Uh, how pissed do you think?ing them now that he's good? How pissed do you think Alex Bobbeth is? No, it's all about Bobbeth. How pissed do you think Alex Bobbeth is? Like why the fuck didn't they do this for me?

So, so your out of bones also been very good this year. So, but he got booed. Yeah, well, he was bad when he was getting booed. Now that Trey Turner's playing really well, he's super confident, right? So now he's got, you can poke that dog in. We'll pass four at bats. Yeah, so you've got, at? So now he's got, you can poke that dog in. Well, past four at bats. He's got.

So you've got, at some point, you gotta start booing him. Yeah, I mean, we'll see. I'll let the powers that be. I mean, I trust my guys down to Philly. I'm not there right now, but, you know. There's nothing worse than baseball contracts when a guy signs a huge, huge deal and sucks right out of the gate and you're like,

you start counting down the year like, wait, eight more years of this. Also all of this was based off of like a couple articles I've read because I have not seen much of the Phillies this. Okay. Yeah, one of those were the charts. Who's the apex Philly fan that's deciding like who gets booed, who gets cheered? Uh, that's a good question.

I know there's a couple WIP callers. That's the Philly sports that are that are probably big. Yeah, that brings me my next question Howard Eskin. What's up with him? Yeah, that was weird. You got to eat that was the weirdest tweet of all time. I was asking Philly Radio Legend tweeted out on Saturday morning ready to roll this morning with my show sports radio WIP trade turner and Philly's Eagles expectations players that hung around too long eight to 10 AM with this picture attached. Oh wow. Yeah. Okay.

So I bonked him and then he was like, hey guys, that's my daughter. So I still don't know why he's just doing this daughter to promote his show. Yeah, I think he just accidentally put it as a tweet. But I know he was doing a victory lap being like, yeah, everyone was talking about it all that. So one thing I love about Howard Eskin on Twitter,

is he is the quintessential old guy on Twitter. That's somebody told him like, hey, you should sign up for this, use it to promote your takes, et cetera, et cetera. And he still has no idea how to use Twitter. Yeah. He gets everything wrong. I love him. He DM me, he said, big cat,

don't believe we've ever met, but respect back. And I sent him the jeeter little kid respect. I don't know, you respect that you use your daughter for accidentally for your calling show. Yeah. So yeah, weird weekend and Philly. Nah, that's just another day. That was just another day.

That's just another day in the city of brotherly love. Okay, other things. Bryson J'Sambos awesome. Yeah, no comment. 58. No comment on Bryson. You're showing 58. I wish he was still big.

Did you watch it? I watched the highlights on Instagram. Hank, when we played golf the other week, what did you shoot for nine holes? 58. Was it 58? That's pretty sick. That's wild. And you laughed you got laughed. 55. And then Nate Diaz and Jake Paul Fodd. Yeah, they did. I actually think Nate Diaz won this fight.

Same because Nate Diaz, he's getting into a fight with an internet troll, right? And he somehow managed to become the King troll in that match. So he's like dancing around getting his ass kicked a little bit but still fighting. He out troll Jake Paul in a boxing match. Jake Paul was like taking it very seriously and it up winning technically but Nate Diaz is like dude I got you mad. Yeah. Look how mad you are. Look at him. Look at him in the tenth round. Look how emotional you are. Yeah. He's just like fucking around, got a big payday. And now Jake says that he's gonna fight, he's gonna fight Nick Diaz in the octagon

in MMA fight next for $10 million. That won't go well, I don't think. Nope. But yeah, I, Jake Paul also said that he's gonna be World Champion 2026. Of what? Boxing. Okay.

Yep. I like his confidence. Would you ever roughen Routy belt ready to go? You can compete for that. I did it all, all time old man starting to get old, you know, started with the Josh Allen getting us with room 40. Uh, I bought the fight and then I did the math when it was like Serrano hadn't even come out. I was like, you know what? I'm just going to record this and watch it in the morning. Smart and I was smart because I got an? I'm just gonna record this and watch it in the morning. Smart.

And I was smart, because I got it extra two hours of sleep, and I watched it and I was like, okay. It went exactly as I expected, Nathias. Every Nathias fight is the exact same. He often times loses, and I just love him even more after. Yeah.

And like if that fight lasted 40 more rounds, he would have walked. Yeah, if boxing as a sport was a hundred rounds, Nathias would be the best fighter of all time. All time. He would never get knocked out. He would just outlast you. Hank had an all-time take when we were watching this. This is great. I want to get your take on this big cat because we're watching the Serrano fight, right? Hank Literally thinks that he could beat up Amanda Serrano. False. No, yes. Yes. Hank. That's so wrong. You think that you could beat her factor fiction in a boxing

Math. You said it like 20 times. We are having a couple drinks. I was making some jokes. Obviously, I don't think I could beat a Manus, Toronto. You were talking very tough when you were watching. Look at that smile. You do I was you were you were standing up You can't believe you think this. I was like, yeah, dude. I take her out. No, no, no I got all standing up and demonstrating that That's an all-time bad take. He was like, five and a half feet tall. I keep her up, Bay with my jab. He was showing us. He was like, here's, she would never get inside.

She would never get inside. I said the one thing she might have me on is cardio, but if I, yeah, yeah. But I was the way. I'll hang, Hank went to the gym the other day and ran for what point one miles and then gave up. Well, no, I mean, I was the fact I was a little bit hung over and the fact that I got to the gym in the first place

of victory. And if anyone that knows that knows that, I was walking in Klein. And then I started out trying to row. No, no, for point one miles. No, I was walking in Klein. I was like, you know what, I'm gonna run for like 10 minutes. And then I turned out to speed up, maybe ran point one miles and I turned the speed back down.

I was like, nope. I do that. You pretty much described every single workout I've ever had. I just walked down and then I'm like, oh, I'm feeling good. Let me just get this incline down and this speed up. And then about a minute in, I start holding the sides and I'm like, let me go back to walking. Oh, someone was telling me about 12, 330, 12 incline. Hockro walk.

Yeah, I'm going to say, yeah, 12 and climb. Hockro walk. Yeah, I'm gonna show you. That's it? Yeah, 12 and climb, three speed, 30 minutes. Burn more calories and climb walking than you do running. Is that true? You just don't, you gotta make sure not to grab on and hold on.

Yeah. Max and I are about to be in the best shape of our lives. I'm going on a hard diet starting Monday. I wanna be, I wanna be weight pals with Max where we text each other the weight every day but he doesn't have a scale. Yeah. That's smart. We can hold it about the number of backs It's about how you feel in your own body. I've done the math. I have 18 months before I'm 40 So I'm gonna lose three pounds a month for the next 18 months every single grit week

We get back and we usually eat like shit on the road We get back and we're like okay now's the time where we get serious about our diet last about a week Yeah, and then preseason starts and we're like, okay, now's the time where we get serious about our diet. Less about a week. Yeah. And then preseason starts and we're like, okay, football's back. Yeah, football's back. Football's back. All right, let's do Who's Back the Week? And then we have Vaughn Miller.

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It's like you're gonna go in like three hours. So game time, the exclusive ticketing partner, barstool sports, go check it out right now. Redeemed code PMT for $20 off your first purchase. Terms apply. Who's back of the week? Hank. My who's back of the week is a young Carlos Stanton.

Yeah, that was great. Oh man, to this role. He was playing in a game who's on second base. Guy had a single into center field and he got waved home. I mean, we're talking about stamina and speed. Like, it's not if it's a hot take for me to say I could be a man of Toronto in a fight, which maybe it is. I could easily beat Jean Carlisth and in a race because he was running maybe five miles an hour probably slower than if you hit a home run. Like, I think guys, you know, maybe like a utility player when they hit a home run. Like I think guys, you know, maybe like a utility player

when they hit a home run, Dustin Padroia, was runs faster on a home run chart than Jim Carlystain was running in a live action play where he was trying to score. He decided that he was out before the ball was even thrown from the outfield. He just, I've never seen anything like it. Well, if you're giving up on your season,

why are you gonna sprint risk injury? Like, who cares? It was just going for a walk-home. It was wild. People were blaming the third base coach. It's like, you can't, if you're the third base coach, you can't expect a guy to run at 25% speed. Yeah.

So that's a big time lost the clubhouse moment. And some other parent boom, we're trying to say that. They were trying to say, well, the guy through the ball in 98 miles an hour, so that's why it looked bad. It's like, he was still was running. He was so competitively to say that. Aaron Boone. They were trying to say, well, the guy through the ball, 98 miles an hour. So that's why it looked bad. It's like, he was still was running. He was so competitively to the 98 mile an hour throw.

Yeah. He looked slow. He got slower with every single step. He was just like, fuck this. Yeah. I don't want to play anymore. Yeah. He basically looked like he was playing in a beer league softball game and made the decision.

I'm not going to slide. I don't want to like, I don't want to hurt my legs. Little League coaches across America are just furious watching this. That example for the youngsters out there. Little League world series coming up. Yep. Posco's just going after everyone.

Yeah, I try to go. Have you green lit it? Yeah. Okay, see you soon, tank. There we go. Hurting your first breaking news. Okay, PFT, you're who's back the week? My who's back the week is free speech.

Oh, free speech is back. Finally, we're saying everything again. Elon Musk has good news. He is going to bankroll any lawsuit for anyone who has adversely impacted at their job or fired because of things that they put out on Twitter. So he says the ex company is going to fund, I guess, lawsuits or who knows what he's going to fund.

He's just basically saying, if you've been fired for anything you put on Twitter, if you've been reprimanded at work, we're going to foot your legal bills. Pretty nice of them. Thank you, Elon Musk. Yeah. Huge. Minced he's back. Fucking I'm in.

Hank, the first thing I thought of is Hank, all the times we shamed him for liking a vacation tweet. Yeah. We are going to be in a lot of legal trouble if Hank ever decides to fill out some paperwork. Yeah, I mean, I could fill out a scroll, like a... A 300-foot scroll of offenses. Wait, fucking a man, though, that was...

You just wanted to fuck a man. No. How would you prove that? Pretend we're you on Mascara right now. I tweeted a tweet on a Friday night, not during work hours, and then I got shame for it, roasted social media clips made. But what did the tweets say?

Fucking a man. No. No, the tweets say. Fucking a man. Was there a comment there? Did I say comma? And that's how it goes. Okay, so that's fucking a man no treat say fucking a man. Was there a common there? Did I say comma and that's okay? So that's fucking a man. Yeah, you said fucking a man fucking a man. How would anyone read it? Fucking a man

It's fucking a man. How is how is Elon like how is this gonna work? I don't know I think he just likes to say shit and then never does it. Yeah, I mean it's smart It is we do that all the time. He basically bought, he bought Twitter because he wanted people to like, he wanted his girlfriend to come back to him. Yeah. Like he's, that's why he got himself into this mess in the first place.

He wanted to be cool online. Now he just keeps getting cooler and cooler online. Yeah. Can Ray Allen sue us for continually bringing up that tweet? No, it sounds pretty Elon and we're not as employer. Pre-Lot. Was that, pre-ealon and we're not as employer. Pre-lawn. Was that, yeah, that's true. We're not his employer. And it was pre-ealon.

I was thinking of the most out of pocket tweets of all time earlier. Do you guys remember the ReShardman, and whole tweet when we killed Ben Laden? Oh, yeah. He tweeted out, what kind of person celebrates death? It's amazing how people can hate a man that have never even heard speak.

We've only heard one side That was hell of a take hell of a take just both sides 9-11. What about that chick who went to South Africa had justine justine landed Yeah, yeah, she's got a big case. Yeah, I think she works for a competitor, doesn't she? I don't know. I think she does Oh good for her. Yeah, good for her. Yeah, she's got it. What? What do you guys laugh about? Cassiados just hit a home run as PFT was talking about 9.11. He's back. Also Mad Olson just hit a home run. Mad Olson's coming on the show on Wednesday. I'll say it right now. Awesome interview. But I feel like he's taking it personally. He's hit a couple home runs this weekend. Yeah, great guy, great interview coming for all the baseball.

Seam heads for Joyce, Madden Olson in person. Friday night. We got really deep into baseball strategy. Yeah, we talked a lot about. Great, great dude. Okay, my who's back the week is Adam Shine. I don't know if you guys saw this, but Adam Shine, what does he work, CBS?

CBS, I think he has a show on CBS. He basically had a whole rant that Jordan Love sucks at football. That is not going to be a good quarterback. And he's terrible. He doesn't even know how to play football. Devon Drake Campbell came to his defense. Jordan Love's teammate came to his defense and said, ain't no way you just got on here with that baggy

ass Steve Harvey suit. And then thick ass Dollar Tree glasses and disrespecting my QB by saying he can't play football. He only has one career start, let him play at least half a season before you open your big dumbass mouth on Twitter. Adam Shine then replied, this is more of a who's back journalist. He said, appreciate you sharing. Glasses are awesome. Certainly not a dollar. Nice flex. Sports jacket is Calvin Klein. It's great. You were right from 2019 Should retire love color though, and then he dropped this

My pleasure voting you first team all pro two years ago have a great season He's got receipts. I mean that is an all-time smug Journalists be like oh yeah, you're telling me I'm bad. Well remember the time. I voted all pro. Yeah, so then that's a complete omen on you. I can't imagine tweeting that. Just being like, yeah, you play this football league but who really gives you all the accolades? Me. I do.

I do love being the first to a take like that. He's just like planning his flag. Jordan loves stinks. He shouldn't be an NFL player. And he will absolutely nothing will be held against him if he's wrong. Yeah, but you got to be first to a take. Yeah. like that. He's just like planning his flag. Jordan Loves stinks. He shouldn't be an NFL player. And he will absolutely, nothing will be held against him if he's wrong.

Yeah. But you got to be first to a take. Yeah. It also just reminded me how great our job is, because we can just fly takes off all the time and just feel like, yeah, well, that's the show. Yeah. And then a guy like Adam Shine gets in front of a camera

and does like a minute like rant about Jordan Loves sucking and people get very upset. He has been, yeah, he hasn't been even like 1% as wrong as we've been about most things that we talked about. Yeah, although the Packers did, they, I don't think they tell of his family night because they're worried they're, they're trying to coddle Jordan love. That's what I heard. That's the streets are saying.

Hmm. I'm looking at his glasses right now. They might be a dollar. Yeah, they might be a dollar. Glasses are cool. not true, sorry. That's just not true. Yeah, I got glasses can look cool, but if you said to anyone,

would you rather wear glasses or not? Everyone's picking not. We got to bring back four eyes as an asshole. Yeah, nice take four eyes. Dude, you're a dork. Like that's just a fact, you're a dork. And you gotta expect when you put a takeout like that, that NFL players gonna be like, a dork. Like that's just a fact you're a dork and you got to expect when you put a takeout like that that NFL players can be like listen dork if I could I would give you a wedgie right? Yeah

Okay, any who's back from memes and max or Shane nothing Okay, good job All right, let's get to our interview Vaughn Miller PFT you got an ad before we get to Vaughn Miller? Yeah, before we get to Vaughn Miller, he is being brought to you by Rocket Money. Are your subscriptions draining your wallet? Well, the average person has around 12 paid subscriptions and they might not even remember subscribing to half of those.

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Does that sound good, Future Hall of Famer? I mean, I think three Super Bowl champion or four, Super Bowl of champion sounds a little bit better. Yeah. But yeah, all of this stuff is good, man. I've been playing football a long time. You know, being here with Buffalo Business in my second year and now.

So the focus now is just trying to get over to Huffman, trying to bring the city up for Subo. Yeah, and let's start though with how are you feeling? I'm feeling good. I'm in a great spot. Thought I would be like in a position to be able to practice with the guys or at least do like individual, but wasn't quite there yet, but I'm super close.

You know, what body's gonna do is gonna do it. Like physically, you can't really control any of that stuff. All you can do is just come in and put in the work. And, you know, but in a mental, my mental, and I'm in a great mental space, and you know, the body are coming along with it. So I'll just take it one day at a time and just focus on that.

That's an important thing to remember because as fans, we always are like, why the fuck is in the sky back? No. It's like the body that you can't, you can't like rush it if your body's not ready, but we sit there. I actually have a theory, Adrian Peterson, we're roomed it for everyone. Yeah.

Because when he tours AC Island came back in like eight months, and everyone was like, oh, that's just what happens now. Yeah, I mean, my first one I came back in seven, but I was 24 years old. Right. 23, 24 years old. I mean, at 34 years old it's a little bit different. We got a stack team, it really does not make sense

to, you know, rush back, here it be come back. You know what I'm saying? If I'm ready to go, I'm gonna play. But if I'm not, it really don't make sense to rush back just to say out, you know, I made it back for week one. Yeah. Are you taking mental reps? No, I'm not a really don't make sense to rush back just to say out, you know, I made it back for we want Yeah, are you taking mental reps? I'm so active and you can ask Jordan man I'm so active in the mean room that practice

Sometimes I ask questions not only for me, but for everybody in the room, you know, you're 13 Being on some of the different defenses. You know, I just ask questions not only for me But just for everybody to kind of be in the same spot. That's more or two, because you can be like, I'm not asking this dumb question for me, but everybody else is probably wondering. But I take it, man.

I don't mind asking the dumb questions, but half of them be for me and the other half be for everybody else. Us too, that's kind of my over-pocket. Yeah, ask a lot of dumb questions. Yeah, like PFT was wondering if you're still farting in meeting rooms and you should get a fart fine. So I actually been a whole lot better. Like I did like this, I did like this, I did like this blood diet right and they told me like what foods I digest the best and what foods like

cause inflammation in my gut or like you know performance like draining or whatever and every sense I just every sense I start sticking to that like I'm in Great instead of 45 parts a day I probably have like two or three. It's good. It doesn't get like crazy as long as I just as long as I just like stick to that eggs was a big one for me. Yeah before I was eating I wasn't eating like any pork anything like that and I was eating like a six egg armlet in the morning after I took the test like eggs cause so much information in my gut. And so I was eating like eggs and dairy and those are the two things that I'm not supposed to have.

That's why I didn't have to go to the room eating it. That's why I was crazy. I mean, that's just a little cheese on there so it's gonna get crazy. Yeah, 45 for today, that's work. Yeah, eggs was like the big one. So as soon as I took that off for like my diet, like veins changed.

Yeah, yeah. I think last time you were on the show we were talking about your chickens too. You still got your chickens? Yeah, green and pastures chicken. It's in Elgin, Texas. We got about 60 acres. It's doing pretty well. It's me, Patrick Mahomes, and Drew Breeze were our owners and green and pastures now.

So it's growing. It's got some big names behind it now. So I'm super excited. And went from taking a class to help on my GPA in college to, you know, being my plan B. It might even be my plan A. Yeah. So you were saying that you had some chickens named after paid manning last time from some of your Broncos teammates. You have any bills, chickens? Oh, no, them chickens. They long gone. That was like, they were like eight years ago. They long gone. They long gone. They long gone. they long gone. They was lunch a long, long time ago. But now it's so huge, the operation is so huge

that it's definitely outgrown, the person. But I still have chickens at home, like in my mom and dad's house, we've probably got like 30 birds. So it still has that personal aspect of it, but I'm not naming them that. But you also just kind of undercut yourself a little bit because you said eggs make you fart

and you got a chicken farm. Yeah. That's bad marketing. Yeah. I mean, as far as like, you know, you got two different types of operations. You got the layers that lay eggs all day. You got the broilers, those are ones that you eat.

I'm mainly involved in the broiler side of it. Okay. The meatiler side of it. The meat production side of it, like thighs, chicken tenders, whole bears, quarters, you know, hands, you know, you have wings, whatever you want. So, you know, eggs, they're good.

I just don't eat them. Yeah, so you mentioned Texas. This past year, I feel like there was a lot of talk about Texas A&M being a cult. Yeah. When you see those clips, are you like, oh, they're finding out more and more about us these days. And I got to take my ring off and maybe chill out for a second.

No, no, I mean, Texas A&M, we have real traditions that are over a hundred years old. And the great thing about callization is everybody buys into every single tradition, whether that's a cult, you're explaining a cult. Whether that's the ring done, whether that's the ring done, or standing up with football games or the midnight year, everybody really buys into the school spirit there.

So I guess I can have the optics of that, but everybody just loves taking them, and they bleed a maroon and white every single year and you know, probably over half of the students that we have their their their fathers or their mothers went there at a cousins with their so yeah. Cold. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

They all drink the cool air midnight meetings. They light stuff on fire and they wear a white. Yeah. That sounds great. That sounds great. That sounds great. Now I mean, they really buy into like a school spirit there, man. And this, I've been to a lot of colleges, you know, after I visit the Texan eminers, there's really nothing like it for me.

Yeah, I mean, college football is goofy as it seems. Like it is about tradition. So don't apologize for tradition. I mean, I love it. I mean, if you could call it a card, I can see how it comes to cards that crosses that. But I love Texan em. I believe Mar I love it. I mean, if you could call it a card, I can see how it comes a card that crosses that, but I love Texas A&M, I believe, Maroon, and why I got my Texas A&M tattoo right there.

Yeah. You got that a cult. You got that a cult. You got that a cult, too, everybody. I like the Super Bowl tattoo on your thigh. Super Bowl tattoo. That one's a sec. Do you only have one or do you have a second one?

I haven't got a second one yet, but I'm gonna get it yet. I'm gonna get it running out of space. I just got like, you know, I've been doing this for 18 years. I don't know what I've been doing since I was 18, so I've been doing this a while, man. And running out of space, so I gotta hit me. You do be sick.

Every time you want a Super Bowl, you get the Lombardi tattoo on your eye. That'll be your turn. That'll be your turn, like a tear drop. I don't have four Lombardi's under my eye. Yeah, yeah. Did the second one, was it as meaningful as the first one? Yeah, it was.

You know, the two totally different experiences, but they're both special to me. They're kind of like, my kids. Like, I got two sons and I love them both the same, but they're two totally different beings. And that was the same with the Super Bowl in LA and the Super Bowl with the Denver Broncos. That was my first one, Super Bowl MVP.

We were the huge underdogs in that and wanted for paid manning in the Marcuswear and Coach Kubiak and Wave fill-ups and all of those guys. And we won nine games that season within three points of list. So we had discretion fight all the way through the year to get there. So it was a really, really special experience. We had went to a Super Bowl two years before it in Los. We wasn't supposed to go to Super Bowl before that. We paid manning and you know, we got put out the first round by the NAPLIS coach. So it was a special experience. And then you, I get, I'm with the Denver Broncos. We were struggling and I'm walking to the

facility and I get traded. Didn't even even know like didn't even have the slightest I did I was about to get traded I get traded to the lost angels and Rams I'm like man How do you guys gonna afford me? You got a D and Matthew Stafford and Jaylen Ramsey and you know They paid like my whole salary for me to go and you know I go I go there and right when I land on the plane It was just focusing on winning a Super Bowl and you know

AD had been there like I think two or three years before, and they lost to the Patriots. So, all the knowledge that I have from my two Super Bowl experiences before gave it to those guys, and they just like, they ate it up like GoFish, man, and everybody was on, everybody was on board to win a Super Bowl. You know, we lost the last game of the season to the 49ers. If we were to win that, we would have been a number one seed, but we lose that. And we end up in the number four seed. We got to go to Tampa to play Tom Brady at home. We was underdogs there. We win

like at the very, very end of the game. And then we play the, now the 49ers go to Green Bay and they beat Green Bay at their spot. Now we play them back at home. We ended up being those guys, which we hadn't beat the team in the last four games and we scratched one out and win that. And then we played our Super Bowl and our stadium and a tough ball game with Joe Burrow and assistant and then Bengals and Winnet.

So they're both totally different, but they both were extremely special. So talking about that Ram Super Bowl run, are there moments even as a professional athlete where you're like, well, that was really lucky. We needed that luck. I'm mostly thinking about the 49ers dropped in reception in the NFC Championship game.

Do you guys like afterwards like, well, that was like, you need luck sometimes. You need luck, go 100%. Especially in football, there's not like basketball where you get seven games to really decide a winner. You get one hour. Yeah. Either you own or you not.

If you go back to 2015 Super Bowl, when we played the Carolina Panthers, like if we played those guys 10 times, I don't see us beating those guys, you know. We probably beat those guys twice. You know what I'm saying? They had one of the most amazing offences and amazing teams.

And NFL history, Cam noon MVP and Luke Keekley on defense. So we were able to just scratch one out and win that one. So it takes a little bit of luck. It takes what I try to really preach to these guys here. It's really the mental aspect of it. What separate good teams from other good teams is really the mental. Like who is showing up on Sunday? What are we doing?

Is everybody on the same page? Are we capitalizing on each and every opportunity that we get? Sometimes you don't get those opportunities and that's just how football goes. But you know, once the ball bounced our way, we got to take advantage of each and every opportunity that other team presents itself and still need that little element of luck. And you just got to keep fighting it out. And that's where we're here with the Buffalo Beals, man. We just need another shot at it. Got unlucky last year with a lot of injuries. And we got Josh having back and

with year six, and we got a better team than we had last year, healthy defense, healthy offense. You just taking on the shot at it. Yeah, do you ever feel like you're in the zone when you're when you're past rushing? Like every single thing that you're breaking out is going to work. It's a fake spin move. It's, you know, speed, power. It's all clicking. Yeah, right? I mean, right when I'm driving to the stadium, move, it's speed, power, it's all clicking. Yeah, right when I'm driving to the stadium, like it's just like this transition from the jokes

to the run and the playful run to the quiet run, focusing on the next play and anticipating like what the offense does. Like I barely even talk to my teammates. You guys, you're like, I barely even talk to my teammates. I got to pass the fire, mouthpiece, and it's just like, I'm just big eyes, and I'm just, I'm really just focusing on making a play to my team is like, I got to pass the fire, mouthpiece, and it's just like, I'm just big eyes, and I'm just, I'm really just focusing on

making a play from my team. So transition from the playful of mine, the joking of mine, to like, terminator, like focusing on making play. So speaking of your past rushing, the ghost move, you've perfected it. It's the coolest thing to watch. People don't know it.

It's Vaughn basically waits for the offensive lineman to try to punch out at him and he dips under him and like when it happens it it usually ends up in a sack have you had a ghost move where the offensive lineman afterwards like what the fuck was that like why how did you do that because it is it's something special to watch on on film I think you know the is definitely it's a cool move to watch. Not only me but all the guys that are able to do it, it's a cool move to watch because you've dipped a gun and you have to stay on balance. But I don't 100 in 23 and a half sex that I have. I probably got four of them, four sex out of that are ghost movies and everybody just highlights

those sex. But you know I really don't try to focus on that I really try to focus on anticipating the snap count getting the best jump that I can on the ball and I just try to dictate the rush I don't want I don't want the offense along with the jump back and me waiting on me to get there I don't want to wrestle with this guy game I want to get a great jump I want to really be in tune with the snap count and the play clock the play clock and the situation in the game. And you know, if that happens, it's just like a curve ball. That's all it is, it's a curve ball.

A long, long guys all day. And if it's open, you know, I take that chance, but it's really a curve ball. I understand how it's highlighted because it looks cool. It looks really fun, cool. It looks cool, but I really, it's just really a curve ball. Have you double-ghosted anyone before? I have. I've ghosted. Have you double ghosted anyone before? I have I've ghosted it tight in and ghosted the the

that's all I was getting chipped in a ghosted guy and the lamy came out and ghost they got to so it wasn't on purpose it was just like that's all I had to do. Have you ever done a fake ghost one way then ghost back the other way? No that's a lot. That would be a maybe that's the next one. I like because you got to get a great jump so all the moment I I'm going forward and then I show a ghost and I probably had to spin back around and then go see that's a lot. You want to get 2.2 seconds to get to the quarterback.

The thing is so would be an awesome movie. Yeah. That's the next level. Is there a quarterback that you like hitting more than others? I just like getting my job done. You know, I don't want the guy to see this like, well, you said you were like, exactly because everybody has pride in his league. And I don't want to, I want to, I want to know that he's guys out.

You say Philip Rivers. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, Philip, he did give me, he did help my career a lot. I love Philip Rivers though. He loves shit talking too, right? Like, but he doesn't, he doesn't cuss. Yeah, he doesn't, but he never really did that to me. That's crazy. I sack them 17 times. Yeah, you know, yeah, actually after filler rivers, like

retire, we became like like super close, man. Like I spent time with him in Mississippi at the senior bow. Um, there's like a senior bow Hall of Fame. And I've seen him at the pro bow and stuff. And I've been able to like give him his flowers and we've become closer like after he retired in what we were on our plan. So yeah, I love I feel the rivers. I especially love him on the football field, but I love him all the fields with him.

So you're talking about plan A, plan B. You've also talked about potentially being a GM for an NFL team. You also said the Drew Locke is a rock star and when you were on our show in 2018, said Mitsch Trabisky is special. Yeah, I was still thinking of you, Jim. I wasn't all right about those guys.

I mean, he was a rock star. He is a rock star. You bet Mitsch Trabisky is special. I love it. I mean, I didn't say like the guys the best quarterback and the league. Yeah, true. That's smart.

Better than patching them at homes or anything like that. But I feel like, you know, with the right coach and the right quarterback, that's the trick. You got to really find the right coach, right quarterback, and really build the infrastructure of the team, not only the coaches, but the cafeteria workers and the janitors and the front office people. And I really have a, I feel like I have,

I feel like I can put a championship team together, not because I just have this special talent, it's because I just compared to the other teams that I've been on. It's great to have a good janitor, awesome, and have good cafeteria food, even better to have a good quarterback. Yeah, true.

Yeah, I mean always, you know, I was gonna be able to get a quarterback. It's hard to find a Josh Allen. It's hard to find a patch in my home. Yeah. But you still got to be able to put a competitive product on the field. Didn't you say that Drew Locke had the most impressive and complete pass that you've ever seen in practice, longtime? Yeah, I did, I did.

I did. It was, he had threw it like, I don't know if he thought the receiver was gonna be there or not, but like, you know, he threw this ball in a way he like stepped into it. It had through it. I don't know if he thought the receiver was going to beat her or not, but he threw this ball in a way he stepped into it. It was super nice. Rockstress. I'm always another thing too about being a player. I'm going to ample my guys. Yeah. From a GM and a talent evaluation perspective is totally different. But when I'm on a team with guys, every guy that I play with, whether that's my detaquin' inside or the quarterback across the field,

like I just, I'm optimistic like that. I believe in my guys. But from a talent evaluation, it's totally different. So, do you think you really want to pursue this? Because that's a lot of work. And I always, I'm always curious about a guy like you who has done such great things, future hallfamer, made a ton of money.

You then want to go back and grind and be in the office all the time? I mean, it's just the perspective that you have on it. I really enjoy like evaluating talent. I really enjoy putting the right coach with the right player, creating a... I think I would really enjoy creating a team like the Buffalo Beals have. So, I don't think it's... If you look at it, it's working. It's going to be, if you look at it as working, it's gonna be work. Like, you know what I'm saying?

You don't wanna go to work. I gotta look at these guys, but I wanna really look at it like that. This is something I've been doing my whole entire life. Yeah. I've been playing football since I was in the fifth grade. Like, evaluating talents as I was in the fifth grade. So it's just something that it doesn't really feel like

work to me. I mean, maybe when I get there, like, yeah, it'd be totally different, but it's been around a great gym that I've been around from Brandon being less need, George Payne, John L. Wei, John Lynch, like, you can't really look at it like work. So, so evaluate this talent.

Tell us maybe a ed rusher who doesn't get talked about a lot who you're like, he is elite, and he doesn't, he needs more shine. Oh, it's a, it's a lot of them in the league. I think, I think, I think Jaylen Phillips for the Miami-Dophants is a really good pass rusher. I think, you know, just, it's just a matter of time before he blows up.

He has all the tools, like he has a great get off. He's long, he's super strong. He's in a right scheme, especially with Coach Fangia. I think over time, he become one of the top pass versus in the league. Everybody knows a mile's geared or a guy's like that. I think the kid in Houston will be great. Will, is Will, and Son. Yeah, they're comparing him to you. I mean, that's great. I think it'll be great. I is with will and sin. Yeah, they're comparing him to you.

I mean, that's great. I think it'd be great. I saw some clips in. He's really explosive. I think once he like, once you just the matter of time for him, I really like, of course, you know, like Nick Boes and Joey Boes and all these guys. I like, I like, New Asu, like the,

the past rush before the Seattle Seahawks. Yeah. He just had a great deal. That was a, that was a great pick up for those guys. Yeah. And the right scheme, he, he's been productive for a long time, especially with the Los Angeles charges. So it's a lot of guys.

It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, we got a, I got a lot of rookies coming in too. Um, I like the kid for, um, I like the kid for the Oakland Raiders. Not Oakland Raiders, but the Las Vegas Raiders. He's gonna be rotating with Chandler Jones and Max Crosby. He's been injured to start it off, but when he was at Texas Tech, I think is Tyree. Oh, he just got drafted. He's named it Tyree.

So it's weird to say Texas Tech defensive player at the top right? It's the first time in 20 years. Yeah, I mean, he has all the tools and it's just a matter of time, but then again, you know, you hit him in his will. Like, guys had JJ White went, he was pick number 14. Number 14 and number 12.

And Patrick Mahomes is picked in the double digits as well. So you hit him in all the time. Like, so you just gotta get lucky. I think you really gotta listen to the guys around you, too. If I'm in a situation where I have like guys around me That can really you know show me like I'll be able to listen to those guys another guys too We got guys on our team as well from you know Greg Russo is gonna have a breakout year Yeah, I didn't want to like

Look at my guys, but we really have a lot of time on this team Greg Russo is gonna have a breakout year I love I love that Oliver at Oliver Are you and him you guys ride horses together? No, we talk about horses all the time though. You gotta remember when Ed Oliver was in college, he was on the Heisman watch. Yeah. He was considered.

He's got a coat taken away from him though. He's considered like, you consider like one of the best defensive player that whole year. So Ed Oliver is great. It's just a matter of time for it all of it and Greg. So I didn't want to like, you know, of course I'm going to run these guys all day, but those two guys I had to talk about those guys as well.

Those are good answers. So what about where do we stand right now with your dad? You still kiss him on the lips? I try to. Yeah, I really, I try to. Who's what? I try to. I might get him to, he might be sleep, you know,

but he might be sleeping. I might just kiss him on the be sleep, you know, but it might be sleepin' I might just kiss him on a lips, but me and my dad got a very, very special relationship man. Sleeping cause of the fog of lips. You know, we just got a special relationship man and I'm very, very fortunate. Now me being a dad is well, like I want to have like that same type of relationship with my kids, you know, we joke around and spend time together. So, you know, shout out to my dad, shout out to my mom too.

She does a great job as well. And I got like, I'm blessed to have a great mom, a great dad, and beautiful children. That mean, so when you first, that clip happened, I've become a dad since when you first came on. And yeah, I kissed my kids on the lips all the time. There is sometimes though, every now and then, like, we're my son to like grab the back of my head

and I'm like, whoa dude, I got too much. It's like, all right. To come in for the kiss, I'm like every now and then we're like, we're my son will grab the back of my head and I'm like, whoa dude, I guess too much. It's like, all right. To come in for the kiss, I'm like, all right. He's 23 months, so he'd be two years in a month. So I just, just to be able to communicate with him, like give that a kiss and him do it is in a super special. So, you know, whatever, I mean,

I want to have the same relationship that I have with my dad, with my kids as well. That's awesome. Yeah, that's great. Was he mad at you when you said that? No, he wasn't. We, we talk about it all the time actually. We talk about it all the time. And, you know, sometimes he's in the mood for it, you know, sometimes sometimes he's grumpy. How can you tell he's in the mood for it? It just depends, you know, you know, I'm friends with you, you know, sometimes you know, you have had a long day, you know, feel like playing, but I still do it. And he'll be grumpy. You know, sometimes he you see me off top and he'll try to kiss me.

So, he's like, we gotta, we gotta, he probably had never admit that, but yeah, I love my dad and we gotta, we gotta special relationship. That's great. We were sitting down prepping for this interview. I was going back in some of the news stories about you in the past.

You remember when the NFL used to test for weed? How stupid was that shit? I mean, they still do, supposedly. Do they? They still do, they still do. But I think it's just like, you know, with anything else, like, it's just not, I don't think it's not what you do,

it's just how you do it. And I think if you're really responsible and whatever you do, like, you know, if you always put football first and you've your priorities first, I mean, you know, everything goes, it comes after that. It doesn't matter if it's basketball, baseball, soccer, you know, as long as you put your priorities first and you're responsible. And, you know, like I said, it is not about, you know, what you do, but how you do it. It's just insane to me that looking back, if we fast forward like 20, 30 years from now, thinking back to like the start of the 2000s,

where it was like a serious dealing in the NFL. Yeah. Guys getting suspended having their money taken away. I've been in like 13 years and so much has changed in this decade. So, you know, before like it was crazy, like guys can suspend it. Yeah. You know, now it's like, you know, it's not even like as serious as it was. I think the more knowledge that they have around it and the more education that we get, like,

and just the perception of it, you know, as Tom passes on, like, you know, things have changed. But, you know, like I said, this is a multi-billion dollar organization, like, you don't want to be promoting, like, you know, stuff like that. At the same time, once you have, like, education, be promoting like you know, at the same time once you have like education and And once you really like get to the bottom of it. It's not a it's not as serious as it used to be 20 years I'm now like and my son get ready to come in the league that we might not even be like testing for it mandatory smoke sessions. Yeah. Yeah. What are you still doing the Halloween party? I know I hear it Buffalo. Yeah. It's Josh Allen's Allen's okay. He's got the Halloween party

So it's probably good that's off. It is it is deal with it. Yeah, man I halloween party was crazy man, especially like Leave it like my last Halloween party that I threw and Denver like the type of The shit they went through like We party's crazy some guys going to jail. We had Chad Kelly on the show. He's a friend of ours Yeah, he explained the whole situation. jail. Well, we had Chad Kelly on the show, he's a friend of ours. Yeah. He explained the whole situation.

We now completely, you know, defend him. He was like flying back and forth across country. Yeah. He had a girl come in. So it was just a, you know, it was a perfect storm for him. Yeah, and, you know, I hate that I hated that having because it's all fun. Like, it was, it was supposed to be fun.

Like, just thinking about it, Halloween teammates, yeah, private party invite all the sports in Denver, Like, just thinking about it, Halloween teammates, private party, invite all the sports, end-ember, basketball, soccer, everybody else. It was meant to be a great time. We had so many different ways of secured the venue. It was meant to be a great time. I hate the that happened to Chad for sure. Have you seen, have you talked to Jim Kelly about it at all?

No, I haven't. I've seen Jim Kelly. I've seen him before he was like, hey. No, I've seen Jim Kelly's house Jim. I've seen Jim a couple of times, but I, you know, I steer away from that for sure. Chad's crushing it though. He's killing it in Canadian football. He's right across the border. Yeah, you shouldn't invite him to the Halloween party this year.

Yeah. I got a Josh, man. It's okay. What's up? What's up, Josh? That is Josh's deal. We got a Halloween party last year and it was great. I mean, you know, it's not like, you know what I mean?

Josh Allen throwing a party in fun and throwing a party like, you can still have fun is just in different ways. It's different, yeah. Yeah, it's still fun. Like it's the nicest way to say that your parts are way more lit. It's still fun, it's just different.

This is a different kind of thing. I would rather go to the Von Miller house. Yes, I'll also go to the house. I mean, they're both fun. Josh Allen is one of the guys. He's not like other quarterbacks. He could hang out with the Defms of the Llamin and the Offens of the Llamin all day,

and receivers like, he'd run around like net chicken guys and like, you know, Frank's in, and he's a great golfer like, he's one of the boys. Yeah, what's the etiquette on that? Because me and Big Cat had a thing where he used to hit each other in the nuts for like the first year, like he's one of the boys. Yeah, what's the etiquette on that? Because me and Big Cat had a thing where he used to hit each other in the nuts for like the first year, year and a half of the podcast. It got taken a little bit too far.

It was a hard nut shot ball, so we agreed to it, Bruce. That still happens though in the NFL, guys, just go around. So, you know, I've been on a couple of teams, and Denver like everybody knew me there, like, so it's a little bit different, you know, once you gotta know it, you gotta really know it, guys. Yeah, how long when you get into town, like everybody knew me there, like, so it's a little bit different. You know, once you got to know it, you got to really know it. Yeah, how long when you get into town, like you show up in LA, right? How long till you hit the first nut shot?

I didn't do it at all. I was only there for half a season, like, it was all like, it was all like, one in Super Bowls and like, of course, you know, of course, like, I let my personality, you know, I let you show them my personality, but, you know, every day, especially you got Aaron Donald, like, you don't want to walk him in that chicken. No. That'd be crazy. Yeah.

Would have I hit you not checking, but... No, I mean, still, like, you know, it's still like, it's, I'm 13 years in a league too, now, like, I'm 34 years old, like, so it's just, it's just a different perspective. And I think really leaving Denver kind of like, you know, helped me like grow, like, on my own, because in Denver, I will always be looked at as, you know, Vaughn Miller, I was a rookie there. Yeah. You know, I grew up there, you know, I had my,

like my first kid there, like you could, you could, it's so much, it's so much that you can do it to really break out of that perception, you know, and then you go from Denver, from just being Vaughn to like LA Vaughn Miller, like, help with someone in Super Bowl, and then we went in Super Bowl, and you come here with the Buffalo Vills, and it's all about when the Super Bowl is as well. So, I'lln Miller, like, help us win a Super Bowl, and then we win a Super Bowl, and you come here with the Buffalo Views,

and it's all about winning Super Bowl as well, so. They're gonna always, I let my hair down, and you guys, Jay, like I joke, and I'll fuck around, but like, you know, it's really like, I'm the oldest guy on a team, too. Yeah, you're, yeah, it's a total one. I'm the oldest guy, like I'm the oldest guy on a team, like, it's gonna be a little weird feeling.

I'm the, it's crazy, like, I'm 34 years old, I'm the oldest guy on a team, so it's just, no, it's just, you know, I'd still joking around and fucking around with the guys, but like, you know, there's just some stuff that I do, some stuff that I don't. How many more years you got on your deal? Five. So you could play till you're 39.

Yeah, I could play till I'm 39. Yeah, that's, I mean, in my mind, like, I mean, if I leave the Buffalo Beals, I'm done. Like, if being, if being trained me, like, I'm done. Like, wherever I get to, I'm done. Like, if being trained me, like, I'm done. Like, wherever I get to, I'm done. Like, I'm wrapping them up. Like, this is my last stop. I love this place.

I love Rochester. I love Buffalo. I love my teammates here. They're gonna build a statue of you guys. I love the way the infrastructure of this team, coach make Dermott, like Brandon Bing, our position coach, coach Washington, he's the best defensive line coach that I've ever had.

And he focuses on really teaching the man, and then the player, a learn. So you have like a mentor in there, and we still fucking ran into joking that, but he gets serious as well. He's got a military background as well. He commands respect from his guys, and he wants to see everybody win. So I just have a really, really special environment

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Man, it went crazy. It was like boxes. And I thought, I'm thinking about Rose. It's probably like 400 Rose. Jesus Christ. That's the mafia. And then it was sent in Wipes 2. They sent like vegan wipes, and then they sent like specialty wipes. Wipes that I've never even heard of.

You know, you heard like, do wipes and all that stuff too, but they had like all type of like special wipes come. And it was great. But this year coming in like, I think I was just kind of shell shocked last year too, because I was coming from LA like, Calabasas, you know, I was looking at a house like next to college dinner down the street from Louis Wayne

and those guys and then, you know, I'm in Buffalo and I live next to Coach McDermott. Right, right. So it's like, it was just, it was just, it was just, it was just, it was just, it was just, it was just, it was just, it was just, it was just, it was just, it was just, it was just, it was just, it was just, it was just, it was just,

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If you really love playing football, right? Yeah. Seth, if you love playing football, you're all about football. You want to win a Super Bowl. Like all the other stars and the glittery stuff, you really don't matter. Like, I've been playing football my whole entire life like I want to win another Super Bowl This gives me the best chance to do it with Josh Allen our defense Not only that the infrastructure that we have we're going as long as Brandon being as a gym and coach McDermott is a coach and we got Josh Allen

We're gonna be able to have a competitive product each and every year. Yeah, so you like the cold weather? I I have a special relationship with the cold weather. I don't think anybody likes the cold weather, but I like the advantage that it gives for me. I'm rushing the passer. I'm, you know, I'm not, I'm not throwing a ball, catching a ball and then that, like,

I'm wrapping my fingers up and I'm going out there and nobody wants to come to Buffalo, like, we don't have like the nice hotels for teams when they come here, like you're standing like, you know, Qu when they come here like you're standing like you know Quintet. Yeah, you said it like you know you're not standing a five star, you know four seasons like you know Rich cart and type of hotel here like people don't want to come to Buffalo. It's cold Our defense here. You got you got Jordan Phillips, you know cracking guy schools and I'm jumping a snap count And we got Jordan Porriot and Micahot. Nobody wants to come here and play it. That's why I really enjoy the cold

because it gives me an extra advantage. We can see alignment and they're wearing sleeves. Are you like pussy? Does that give you guys? No, I mean, I wear sleeves. I wear sleeves. You're allowed to. You're allowed to as you play these things.

Yeah. No, not really, man, because you know, in this league, man, I really try to not, I try not to pass like judgment. When I see alignment in Jordan, Cleese though, like, I do it to not, I try not to pass like, judgment. When I see a Lombon and Jordan Cleese though, like, I do it like, that's just one thing. It's just like, what are you doing? Yeah.

He's supposed to be a hard nose, like, tough ass like Lombon and you got like, Jordan Cleese that are supposed to be like, size 10 or size 11 and you got a size 16 long as Jordan Cleese. You know what I'm saying? Like, you look goofy online. 10 or size 11 and you got a size 16 long as Jordan cleat You know I don't really like I like pass the stereotype on guys man cuz this ballers in Jordan cleats as well Yeah, but that's a wide receiver cleat. I mean I mean why receivers? I just I don't know when I see often

The mom and it's just like where do you do those yeah, they supposed to be like tough like you know barberry like a tough like, you know, barbarian. You're not getting like 10 words. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? All right. Well, I have one last question. The rowback question, R-H-O-B-A-C-K dot com. Use promo code, take 20% off first person. We're in the shorts right now.

Q-Zips, polos, hoodies, shorts, everything. rowback dot com, the best in the biz. Last question, you played with Aaron Donald for the Rams, won a Super Bowl. Were there any moments where you Rush the passer and you're like where is everyone and then you realize they were all just trying to block Aaron Donald Like did it with their moments or like my job is Significantly easier because everyone just cares about him. You know to be honest

That was one of the toughest situations to like to leave Aaron Donald like you know fuck would like fuck What like if we go win games a night or like if we're gonna have like just by playing with Aaron Donald. You know, fuck what, like, if we're gonna win games or not, or like, if we're gonna have, like just by playing with Aaron Donald and Leonard Floyd and Leonard Floyd is over here with us now, but you know, just by playing with Aaron Donald, Leonard Floyd get Greg Gaines, like if we could have had that for a couple more years,

like a new, I could have racked up sacks. You know, they're gonna slide in double and triple team Aaron Donald. So I just go away from Aaron Donald me and great Games and we don't get the two on two each and every time. Yeah, you know Aaron Donald is a great player man And I that was one of the you know, that was one of the toughest situations I got great players here and I think that was just meant for me all the things that I learned from Aaron Donald being around

Aaron Donald I tell that to to Ed Oliver and I tell that to Greg Russo and Jordan Phillips and I tell them all the things that made him great and Iron Sharpens Iron and if we could just get a taste of that, nobody could ever be like Aaron Donald but if they could just get a taste of that and be like that anyway man, we're good. Yeah, love it. Especially Ed Oliver man.

He's super special and once he really taps into his super sand, I Ed Oliver, man. Like, you know, he's he's he's super special and once he like once he like really really like taps into like his Super Saiyan like 10 mole like he'd be special as well. I wouldn't say you know Aaron Donnell is his own creature, but Ed Oliver be able to create his own way just like Aaron Donnelly. He has all the tools necessary to be great. Yeah, he's beast. Yeah, he doesn't have a coat. That clip is funny. Have you ever given him a shit for it? I talked about it. We talked about it. We talked about it. And he said, you know, the coach has said that he was, you know, they him and the coach, they like talked about it like after and they they was a Dana. No, he went there. They they were a coach. But they they're on good

terms now. They talked about it. It was just for people who don't know that Ed Oliver was injured and he had a code on on the sideline and they took his code away. They're like, this is only for players. He's the best player in college football. Yeah, that was the craziest clip ever. Obviously, these men's. How do you take another man's code away? The coach said he was tripping out. I mean, it was the pettiest move I've ever seen. I mean, sometimes too. That's why I like about this place. Coach McDerman and Coach Washington and Brandon being like, they just like get it. It's all about winning.

And that's one of the special things about LA as well. Like, Coach McVeigh, he didn't care about anything but winning. And he didn't care about how you got there, whatever you did to prepare as long as he cared about the product on the field. And these guys are the same way, man. He cared about his beard a little less. You don't want to coach the getting the way. about his beard You don't want it. You don't want to coach the getting away. You don't want to go to the lines up that free cares about his beard

He's always sure. Yeah, he likes his thirst trap He does a little he sees the barber a little too often All right, you know my coach McVeigh. Yeah, he actually came up to us in Indy one year He's like why are you guys giving me shit about my beard? Well now that we know this bothers you We're gonna do it more coach me very he's cool, man Why are you guys giving me shit about my beard all the time? Yeah. Well now that we know this bothers you, we're gonna do it more. Coach McVeigh, he's cool, man.

Yeah, he's the best. I mean, you gotta be a special guy to command, respect. All of these barbarians, this one, he's football, this one, man. It's not an easy job. Shout out to the rounds and the Denver Broncos and the Buffalo Bills as well. I've been blessed to play in three great franchises for sure.

Yeah, real quick, we talked a little bit about Ed and his horse. Another Denver guy just won a championship in the NBA who's obsessed with horses. Yokech. You know, I don't know that. Yeah. He's obsessed with racing horses. He's one item or it is. He's just breeding. He used to ride him but then he became too big. So he's seven foot. Yeah. He was doing the chariot. He's a chariot race. He won a he won-stressing championship back home and he looked happier than he did when he won the NBA title finals. Oh, that's crazy. I didn't know that, man.

But Yoke, he's a great dude, man. I've talked to him after games and we swive jerseys and stuff. And congratulations to the Denver Nuggets as well. Because they've been at the brink of it for a very long time. And I've been in Denver, I was in Denver and I got a Denver in 2011, so I saw the progression. You know, I saw the progression

and the teams get better and better. And you know, Jamal and Mary have been injured and now he was healthy and we have been close for a long time. So it's cool to see those guys win championship. Yeah. Well Vaughn, we love having you on, man. Thank you. You're a lot of favorite guests.

So good luck for you. Appreciate you guys. Appreciate you guys. Appreciate you guys. you on men. Thank you. You're a good, love favorite guest. So good luck for you and Josh in the city of Buffalo. Yes, sir. Thank you, Giggum. I appreciate you, go. Oh, there it is. The cold kick comes back in. That interview was brought to you by Cours Light.

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It is now Hank and Max are at 18 points. Jake and Billy have 18 points and PFT and I have 17. We're in the last. I wanna put my hand up. I messed up. Me too. I fucked up big time. Well, obviously we have the point deduction

from earlier this season when I retweeted the pull accidentally my thumb slipped and Hank Narkdommi excuse me Jake Narkdommi to Hank That was a mistake so we're down by one point. It's gonna be neck and neck going down the stretch. Yeah And what was the hand up? Oh just for that Well hand up also because I tweeted out the video of max talking about titty fucking cuz it was a very funny video and then everyone agreed with me online Not everyone. You guys were upset to see the amount of agreed with me. I had faith. Not everyone. I had so much faith in my guy.

That's all really. You had a lot of faith. Yeah, I let him pick. Yeah. You said afterwards like that's the worst pick. It made me laugh and he was right. I have no problem admitting that I was wrong and he was right and that's why I let him cook when I have to. LeBron, won us that draft. Titties fucking, fucking A-Titties. What was the worst conversation you had afterwards, Max?

About the Tittie fuck. I don't even, my mother was not. She thought that you guys were upset with me for saying it publicly. Oh, she thought like as like bosses. We're like, that's inappropriate, Matt. I was upset with you for saying, because it was so wrong.

Yeah, no, no, they were like, Hank was not happy that you made that pick and I was like, that's not why. Either way, we, Mr. Positions was born. Yeah, the tit god. I threw up a little on my mouth later, thinking about Mr. Positions No, once Marshes, Sutra

Okay, who what's the order? Mount Rushworth acronyms. We are first shadow John rich We are first the idea you guys are second max memes and billi are third. Okay, so memes will be doing the picking. I just say, Max, memes, Billy and Jake will be third. So, so just say, Max, memes is gotten some suggestions from Billy and Jake, memes, will you be going rogue or will you be going off the script? I'll try to go off the script just cause they're the ones in the script.

Off the script are off the script. On the script. You try to go off the script just because they're the ones. Off the script are off the script. On the script. You try to go on script. On script because in the end they'll be doing the punishment. So, gotta have to live with their picks. Right. But I'll try, I'm gonna help out. Are they in agreement or are they just sending you

both stuff independent? So they're both busy right now. So they just kind of rattled off a bunch. I'm gonna help out in between. So there's no like bliss though. Jake did send a list. Okay. Okay.

All right, we have first pick. First pick, no brainer 1-1, probably the most searched acronym in the history of acronyms, MILF. Oh, good pick, that's a good pick, Hank. Good pick. Okay. We're a football podcast. Yeah. Yeah, well, no one, good pick. That's a good pick, Hank. Good pick. Okay. Man, we're a football podcast. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, no, what milk? Doesn't matter. It's the acronym. Okay. Okay. Which one do you prefer? I like man. I love frogs, but. Okay. Uh, get to your boards. Why don't you now? It is. You want to go one one?

Yeah. Yeah. Let's go one one. What do you say? It is you want to go one one? Yeah, yeah, let's go one one. Go ahead. You say Maybe the most search acronym of all time in SFW Not safe for work great when you know you're about to click on it. Mm-hmm. Milf is bad boy when you click on it infinitely more is there an NSFW on tab on porn hub? Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's the entire website Who says do you want to do you want to you want to get real with this shit? They like yeah, I do actually there's nothing better than seeing the NSFW and then clicking it I mean who has there any ever been anyone who is not clicked on SFW

It's basically saying giant red button that says click this. It's gonna rule. Yeah, it's either gonna be someone dying Someone getting fucked some like weird injury just give it to me all of it. Nothing's NSFW if your boss is cool enough. Yeah. Well, that's what I've never really had to worry about NSFW. But there's a lot of kids that are like college kids, high school kids, like it's... But there's, I think the majority of NSFWs get clicked.

I don't think a lot of people are actually heating that. I think it's just a blinking light of, hey, you should actually click this. We should put NSFW on our videos, so we put it on Twitter, and people watch way more of them. Yeah, that's facts. Okay. We're gonna go with R1-1.

It's going to be NFL. Okay. Good pick. Okay. And then the second pick, FBI. Oh, that's Billy. Is that Billy? Yeah, that was Billy. He probably hates the F. Why would why would FBI be a good acronym just going off the list? The cops. Yeah, just a few body inspector. Okay. All right. Well, we have our we have our number two then we'll take as well. Let's

do it. We'll come back around and we'll go with USA. Surprise Billy didn't take that one you was say you say you say I Am rules Does not I love America so yeah kind of denigrate that pick okay anyone else have a problem with USA That's a good pick thank you. Thank you you would say you there are two more things out of you one reacts to bin Laden's death with that the other If you start making no there's nothing better than a random USA chant. It's good. It always plays. Yeah in the wild What do you think your boys with me on here boys? Oh Back to the numbers. Yeah, I don't know about three. Yeah, I like three. I like three. Fuck it. Fuck it I don't know about three. I like three, I like three, fuck it.

Fuck it. Yolo. Okay, okay, okay. You only have one. We had that motto. We had that motto. Great song, great phrase. It is kind of overused, but also,

it's one of those things where it's, it is a little bit goofy to say, but there's also times where like, you know what, fuck it, Yolo, like. Yeah, or Yolo it. Yeah. Yolo had a moment. I feel like Yolo's kind of dipped down.

It was such a popular phrase that it kind of got over saturated and exposed, but it was popular for reason. So thick of its own success and you know, Drake's on. I think we have another one here, right? Yeah. I think we should go with the one that I responded. Like my first reply to your initials. All right. go for it go

Okay You want to say anything? I mean Lebron it's it's it's literally the goat. It's the greatest of all time of Acronyms it is I mean it's great. So why don't you pick a one greatest of all acronyms? Yeah times Go should have picked a one one you could have it would have been a good pick That's good value. That means it's a good value. Yeah, okay, okay PFT. We got a lot here. Yeah, I like I like Number 12 oh Yeah, let's do it Ponged Pog

That's what It's a great nickname. That was gonna be our next one. Yeah, it's a great fucking nickname. It's an acronym that when you say it out loud, it makes the sound that you see the button make. Yeah. It's like, I know what a Pog was before I knew what it stood for.

Yes, yes. Pogs all day, every day. We're so old, we know what real Pogs were. Yeah. It's a fucking... Milkcaps, baby. Yeah. It know what real pogs were. Yeah Milkcaps baby. Yeah, it's pognit up. What a dumb game Mr. Positions actually texted us and said he was like I had to look that one up I want to see what he clicked on what he googled pog he probably was like we shouldn't be

F a wg. He's like I didn't know what it was, but I'll trust you guys. Let's try to get him to say that word later. Our next pick, OTPHJ. Okay. Okay. Over the hand. Over the pants, hand job. Yep. Okay. That's a good pick.

Mr. Prezition strikes again. And then for our last one, we'll go with TGIF. Okay, good pick. Good pick. Good pick. Okay, you go 14. Yeah, we're gonna stay horny. 14 or six.

Oh man, let's just do 14. Yeah, let's do 14. Let's go, we'll just go with an old fashioned BJ Max loves that one. You want a BJ? You think that's already two max no comment. You love BJs No, your BJ guys. You love BJs. If you're not a titty fuck guy, that means where you gonna put it. Yeah, that's run in the ball There's only a couple other places you can put it. Yeah. Yeah.

Did you get, guys? Did you notice in the, in the last one of overrated things when Max took Tiddy fucking, Billy kept trying to say, yeah, but you can also get a blowjob while you're doing. He was just trying to like make sure everybody knew that he had a long day. I mean, yeah, he fucks books. Yeah. Do you ever, it is funny every now and then coming across like that one guy is like, I don't even like blow jobs.

Okay. What's wrong with you? More for me. Yeah. Oh, blow jobs. I can't even come. Okay. That's your problem, dude.

You're just asexual. Yeah. It's not even like, yeah. Yeah. What was God think for the whole fun for all the families but you know that what I'm talking about there are just random dudes who say that you're just like what's wrong with Tommy smokes Tommy smokes like BJ I believe I believe you so you can't say that no I'm not

that's like a 14-dimensional chess move where you say that to a girl and you're like, I don't even like them. I can't nut in the girls like, oh, I'll show you. I'm gonna call. I'll prove you wrong. That rumor can't be said. If this is started with this,

it's like, I don't, I, I said, like, it's something made me think that. I'm just making it up. This is my top. If he doesn't, if he doesn't pick up, then he definitely does not like PJs. Oh, hey Tommy, we're taping PMT right now. We're doing the Mount Rush more of acronyms and we just picked BJs and we started talking about

the random like dude out in the wild who's like, I don't even like blow jobs and Hank claimed you were that guy confirmed what that's me what is wrong with you what do you mean you like blow jobs I find them to it's a lot of pressure when I'm get what what am I supposed to say oh yeah I just I feel like it's really a lot of pressure on me asking about its thoughts thoughts on Tiddy fucking. What, do you like Tiddy fucking? Um, I've never really done it very much, I don't know.

That's even probably done it once, probably done it once. Tommy, you don't have to do anything, that's the beauty of a blowjob. I know, but it's like, I just feel like I'm supposed to be making noises or something else. And I'm not, you know, that's not my style. Only Tommy would look look at a blowjob like oh now I have to do a monologue. Yeah, what are you talking about, dude? You just get your dick sucked and a lot of them aren't that good at it too. I See I like what Tommy's doing right now. He's like issuing a challenge. He's also yeah Yeah, he's like any women out there in the greater York area, the tri-state area want to suck a dick Guy who doesn't like blow jobs convert me my name's Tommy smokes

What you also feel like you're just throwing out all of Like the excuses at once any other ones does it not make you come? I mean I could but it might take a while, and I feel bad that you're doing it for that one. Just thinking about this way too much, dude. I just, I get really in my head the second she starts as I got it, such an awkward silence. What are you talking about? This is bizarre. You're so weird.

You're so weird. I like to have very good sex, though. You make so weird. I like I like to have a good sex though. You make you you make blow jobs You're treating blow jobs like getting into an elevator with a stranger There's the ultimate de-stressor all right All right, well Tommy, everyone treated Tommy. He's the anti-BJ guy, so. Yeah, I thought if you want to prove it, I guess, you know.

Yeah, what about sucking deck? Never done it. Okay. You're good at it. Okay, good, good answer. Good answer. All right, see you Tommy. All right.

All right, BJs are our fourth and final pick. You guys have your last pick? Yep. Our last pick. Yep our last pick Where it's gonna keep it simple probably the acronym. I use the most It's almost a and hindrance like I got his I got to stop myself from doing it. Oh well Oh, I got this LL well respond people all the time and really am I laughing out loud, but it's just a great It's a great every day utility Really am I laughing out loud, but it's just a great, it's a great everyday utility acronym.

Do you think that's better than LMAO? No. LMAO, LMAO people are the worst. The worst. I think you might have just, you had a good draft going, LMAO is not a great pick. LMAO is probably pound for pound, the number one most use acronym evolved.

That, we have the most search acronym in the most use acronym. It's still the most, but it's best acronyms. Anytime somebody texts you LOL, they, I think they want to fight. Right. It's like the opposite of what they're actually doing. Yeah. They're not laughing out loud. What's your problem? Now you guys are wrong.

People are going to be like, oh yeah, LOL, I use LOL. It's best acronyms though, not the most popular. It's not most notorious. So it's, the, the Malar's worst best acronyms. Yeah, and I put no notoriety in there. I was I'm strong with that word right now. Okay. So like big bang theories is it would be your one one pick

for television shows. I might not think that but the but the mass is my. Okay, I don't love our list but it is what it is. Yeah, I love it. I love it. I, but it is what it is I don't know I'm a way piss me off I like to like the LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL BRB just a class just a like an a classic. Yeah, but that's too old. Like I don't think young kids say BRB anymore I would have the ones I would have used if it was just for me personally would be a Fitfo and Dwaya, but I don't think either of those are like a Dwaya done with it all what about I'm Dwaya

Hank we we thought you for sure we're gonna take a OC No, okay dare D a re yeah, the shirts are pretty good. Yep Hank, we thought you for sure we're gonna take AOC. Nope. Okay. Dare, D-A-R-E. Yup. The shirts are pretty good. Yup. STF-U-H.

Should I have the fuck up, Hank? Yup. PMT, AWL. Uh. Didn't want a pander. M-N-F. Monday night football is a good one. I also, uh.

ESL. ESL. E-W-E. NASA. I thought about NASA, but I don't know what it actually stands for, but I think it is an act. Yeah, I don't either. Nuclear astronomical scientific association. So, it's got a PEMDOS. PEMDOS is good.

Yeah, that's a good one. TLDR, when you drop that on someone, it always hurts. It's like fuck Psych everything's TLDR In fact TLDR got TLDR by the by the meme where it's like I ain't reading all that yeah, but congrats are sorry that happened to you one That a personal one that I've always loved. I just love our beis Ribbies, hmm. It's just a fun one HR's HR's are fun. Yeah, yeah, else? Any others? It's good list. Great. Those are good Mount Rushmore. Good show, boys. So we do have Matt Olson on Wednesday. Great, great interview with Matt Olson

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Brand out. Eight. 17. 69. 20. Shane and me. Shane and me. Yeah. Shane and me. You're got this. I will do 26. 54. 54 is the number. Okay. See everyone on Wednesday. Love you guys. Hard knocks. Let's go. Remember Hard knocks. Hard knocks. I'm a man who can't tell you I need a woman I need a woman

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