Parenting Hell with Rob Beckett and Josh Widdicombe - S01 EP39: Ivo Graham

Episode Date: September 8, 2020

ROB BECKETT & JOSH WIDDICOMBE'S 'LOCKDOWN PARENTING HELL' - S01 EP39: Ivo GrahamJoining us in the studio this episode to discuss the highs and lows of parenting (and life) during the lock down and beyond is the brilliant comedian, Ivo Graham. Enjoy. Rate and Review. Thanks. xxx If you want to get in touch with the show here's how:EMAIL: [e-mail]: @lockdownparent INSTAGRAM: @lockdown_parentingA 'Keep It Light Media' Production Sales, advertising, and general enquiries: [e-mail] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Hello, I'm Josh Riddickham. And I'm Robb. Welcome to Lockdown Parenting Hell. The show in which Rob and I discuss what it's like to be a parent during lockdown, which I would say can be a little tricky. So in an effort to make some kind of sense of the current situation. And to make me feel better about my increasingly terrible parenting skills. Each episode will be chatting to a famous parent about how well they're coping. Or hopefully not. And we will be hearing from you the listener with your tales of lockdown parenting woe. Because let's be honest, none of us know what we're doing. Hello and welcome to Lockdown Parenting Hell with Rob Beckett

and Josh Whittakum. Who is truly cool? So, please try and attach my six-year-old Oliver introducing while playing Minecraft and his favorite word play game that I thought I'd share with you very simple rules. All you have to do is replace vowels in words with long oo sounds. It makes everything you say hilarious. So he's played that with our names. It's quite nice for someone actually to rip up the rule book and do something different with our names. That sort of just being a jeweled isn't it? It's not just being a joltz isn't it? Yeah I've always said that

about me. Yeah, fun. Funn, uh. That impression show you've been pitching to. I I that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that the the the the the the that the the the that the that that that that the that their that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that impression. that impression. that impression. That's that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. the the th. thi. the th. the. the the. the. the. underrated. Is it? Yeah, I've always said that about me. I, uh... Do you ever do any any? No. I've never, no. I do a little bit when I'm like touring, but I take the Jonathan Ross approach where I can't do it so I do it really badly, but even worse. So that's saying that's his approach to what? Accents about his career. So that's a big person to take a shot at being rubbish early doors. He's the best. No, but I would say that like that's what he does with his accents, isn't it? Whenever he gets people on the show he's got to do his accents but he can't do him so he doesn't really badly. So I'll be like that in New York or wait a minute what for one stack can you eat the Widgettie group that's that would be my aunt and deck

I think a telling thing about your abilities an impressionist is you've described one voice as being both aunt and deck yeah because I've looked into it there's no difference there's no difference actually that's why it works though you can never tell who's delivering the line that's one their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their. their. their. their. their. their. their. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. I's thi. I'm thi. I'm. I'm th. I'm th. I'm that's. I's. I's. I's. I's th. I's th. I's th. I's th. I th. I I I I I th. I I I I I I I I I th. I th. I I I I I I's th. I I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's th. I'm te. I'm te. I'm te. I'm te. I'm te. I'm te. I'm tell. I'm tell. I'm tell. I'm tell. I'm tell who's delivering the line that's one of their greatest achievements as a as a pair where do you think we fall on the on the double act list now Josh okay so you've got so you got Anton Deck yeah yeah then you go down to Chris and Rosie Ramsey who is slightly above us Vic and Bob they're I reckon probably down the bottom around Fred and Rose West yeah around I think we're we the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th th th th th th th th th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I th. I'm th. the. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. th. th. th. th. th. I th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I th. th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. th. th. th. thin is the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. th. th. th ones. And I reckon we're probably down the bottom round Fred and Rose West. Yeah, around I think we're slightly, we're between Fred and Rose West and Tim Lovejoy and Simon Rimmer. Yeah, because we're not as famous as Fred and Rose West,

but we're more loved, I'd say. We're definitely more loved. Josh, could I be honest of you? Yeah, I'm hung over. I thought you were. It's Sunday it's Sunday morning. We should say it's Sunday morning at 9 a.m. which was your decision. Yes. I said Sunday and you said 9 a.m. Yes, because I'm going out today with the kid to the family so it's a busy day. So I thought if we get it done in early, basically Tom Allen at my house, so we're going to get on the show on the show on the show on the show on the show on to get on to get on to get on to get on to get on show on show on show on show on show on showthe show under the guys that he lives with his parents. That's not, that isn't that we've got a huge scoop that Tom Allen has a child. Do you know what he's done? He's just been wandering around the South East impregnating women. Yeah. And I don't know why it's just it's a new thing he's done, but no he's not rule it out.

It's hard-booking people. He turned up with wine and I'm not supposed to be drinking, but he just... Why are you not supposed to be drinking, Rob? Well, I'm trying to get fit, Josh, but I keep getting drunk. And because... This is so funny how lazy you get like during this lockdown is. It's not even lockdown anymore Rob. I know, I know, but I don't, I record this, like literally at the end of my garden. And I was like, oh God, I just can't be bothered to go and do the, and I was like, Rob, it's an 11 second walk from your bed down the stairs to the end of the garden. But I'm happy I made it, but I'm feeling a bit roping. What did you drink? Red wine. Oh, that's a bad hangover.

It's a little fact. I think Tom Allen has been drunk in my house more than me. Oh, really? Because I don't always drink with him. Sometimes Lou does. Yeah. So I thi, thi's th th th th th th th th th th th th thi's thi's thi's thi's thi's thi's thi's thi's thi's thi's thi's that's thi, I'm that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's, I's that's that's, I's, I's, I's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. that's a thi. thi. that's a that's a that's a thi. that's a that's a that's that's that's that's that's that more than me. Oh my word. That's a feat, isn't it? That is a feat, but you know you've got more responsibilities. He's got abs, this is the difficult thing. So you get invited to things and everyone there will be without children and if you've got children and you're drinking and it's 11 PM.

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It's too close to relaxing. So it's too painful. Yes, because it looks, and you're looking in your house of all the stuff you could stuff, to, thapapapapap stuff, tha, tha, tha, tha, tho, tho, tho, th stuff, tho, tho, tho, tho, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, the the the the tho, the tho, the tho, the the the tho, to to to to to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to the the the tho do but you can't. So like I do you know what's easy? My job, my first job is work at Columbia Road Flower Market right. I just get picked up at four in the morning by my brother, would drive to the market. My job was to take all the compost into the street and load it on these trolleys and I used to stand in the morning selling bags of compost and that was easier. Sorry, have you just stumbled across a kind of a random East London origin story generator? But I used to, that was easier than being in your house with your own children. Yeah. That's mad in it. I long for that. I go, oh that would be a nice Sunday. Get picked up and sit in the car, get a nice warm coat, get a cup of tea. I know, well, I just, I tell you how good it is when I have the excuse of doing work on a hangover and you get to go upstairs and you get to go upstairs.

To go upstairs to do something that should be more mentally challenging, like writing something. It's not, how is that more difficult than watching someone draw? But it really is. Reading a book to someone. Oh God. Oh, I just do, so I can't really read funny bones anymore because I read it on New Year's Morning on the hangover of a lifetime. And every time I read funny bones, I get taken back to that feeling of reading at 7 a.m. on New Year's Day.

I've got that with of reading at 7 a.m. on New Year's Day. Really? I got that with the song Jealous Guy by John Lennon because I was on a coach in Slovenia and I was listening to that at the moment I realize I have to get with this coach to be sick. That's the things, is one, these things that are just completely connected. The sick one is like when you throw something up, I suppose. Like, I can't have sugar puffs now. If I sat down and you forced me to listen to jealous guy by John Lennon, five times in a row hung over, I would just be sick. Yeah. Just from like, getting like PTSD from that moment. Can I tell you some disgust? I just really not talking about a parentthis toilet to be sick right

and then my other mate went in there to do a number two and my other mate went in there straight after to do a wee but the smell was so bad he was sick on arrival. Oh oh my god. Oh my God. How awful that? Oh that is. He won't even drink in the night before. It was just because it was so awful, like I'm crying and see. And then was the coach just waiting for you? No, the coach went off and we had to wait an hour for the next one. It was sort of like a jump off in a coffee.

Oh my god. My friends were once going right from a stag do. driving down the motorway and the guy in the passenger seat in the front needed to be sick, open the window to be sick and it blew back into the face of the guy behind him who started being sick as well. Oh God. Apologies for people listening to this I'm sorry, we need to tell the story I don't know if we do it today, the story about when I saved your career. Yeah, let's not tell it today today today today to to to to to to to to to be to be to be. Jimmy. Jimmy. Jimmy. Jimmy. Jimmy. their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their. their their their. their. to bea. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. the the the the the the the the the the the the today. today. today. to. to. th. to. th. th. the th. the the the th. the the the the th. the the th. the it today the story about when I saved your career yeah that's not tell it today Jimmy Card's Christmas party. We need to build up to that. Okay let's build up let's save that for another time but the time I saved your your baker. Save my career. I think I think I genuinely did I don't think it would have defined you as a person in all circles of showbiz people forever. We've got to tell it Josh. Let's tell it Friday. Let's tell it Friday. Okay, yeah. Right, Josh. Rob, do you think this? I mean that says it all, doesn't it? What is that? This is? I think we've really, if there was an opening chat that was rested on your laurels, this was the one. Yeah, this really is it. This this is very much penultimate game of the season. You're already in the Champions League.

Yeah, we've gone free nil down at White Norwich and the players know. But you know why it is? It's because we know we're sitting on perhaps our, I don't want to build up too much, but it's one of my, it's gone straight into my top five. Top five? Well, no, no, no, I I I I I I I I I I I th I I th I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't, I don't th. I don't th. I don't thi. I don't th. I don't th. I don't, I don't, I don't, th. th. th th th th th th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. th. th. taken it out of the top five, but that's no fault of Ivo himself. Yeah, no, no, I think the interviews are in and of themselves their own entity. This is just a building to it. I don't think to it. the worst thing is, when we did the Ivo one.ers what do you want an award for? Well I don't. Well it make you feel better right this podcast okay we both love doing it we enjoy it

a lot of people listen they really like it everyone goes I like what what would let me just tell you now the greatest day of my life was when quickly Kevin was the third best sports podcast of 2018. Would it make you feel any better if you had a little bit of metal next to the laptop? No, absolutely not. Absolutely not. You won an award. Anyway, hopefully we'll win on a the award one day. And, uh, not for this episode.

And now it's completely unsubmitted. No, we've done some great stories about being sick. About when you nearly the end of tha the the the the tha tha the the tha tha tha the the thi thi thi the thi thi thi thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th. No, th. No, th. No, th. No, th. No, th. No, th. We, th. We, th. We, th. We, th. We, th. I, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thin, thin, too. We'. We''a, toooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooom. No.teased the audience about the story about when you nearly ended your career which I'll tell them about on Friday but until then I've got some good I've got some good content. I just sorry, disaster. The only part of the podcast that was slick there and you just walloped it there. Judging about how well this has gone I'm 80% sure that we're going to have edited in the wrong interview as well. Yeah, exactly. It's just going to be this again somehow due to a kind of editing error. We're going to get too intros.

Put the Ellis one out again. Yeah, it was very popular. Yeah, it was very popular. Um, yeah, well, I don't know what we said. This is a joke. Let's just start. Let's just start. to say. the the the th. th. to just, let's just, let's just, let's just, let's just, let's just, let's just, let's just, let's just, let's just, let's just, let's just, let's just, let's just, the the the to. to. to say, to say, to say, to the the the to thi, to to to to to to thi, to. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. the thi. thi. thi. thi. th th th the th the the the the the the the the thi. thi. thi. thi. th, not lots, you don't get thousands of requests, but we've had requests for Ivo Graham to do an interview. Yeah, and so here he is, his I think, I'm bloody hell this is a disaster. We need a planning meeting, we need a crisis meeting after that. Hello Ivo Graham, how are you? I'm I'm very well thanks, Chaps, thanks for having me on your podcast. their. thi. thi. to their thi. to thi. thi. C. to to thi. thi. thi. to thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thoes, thi, thi, thoes thoes thoes, thoes, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. We thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, the. We the. We the, the, thea. We've thea. We've thooooo''''a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a' thea' I'm very well thanks, Chaps. Thanks for having me on your podcast. I love being called a chap.

I never get called a chap. Thanks, I feel that greeting has said more about me than it does about you. But I'm happy to stand by. Chaps is still got enough charm to make it not completely horrible. We've had, we've had email requests, Ivo asking for you to come it not completely horrible. We've had email requests, Ivo, asking for you to come on. Right, that's nice of, isn't that? Yeah.

You're a popular man who want to hear about your parenting. What's your situation? My situation is, well, we've just moved back to London after five months in the countryside. We've been quite fortunate in that my parents were mentally... You've been quite fortunate in that my parents were mentally... You've been quite fortunate since birth either. Yes, obviously it's been quite a parade of good fortune in 1990 the present, but a thrilling new chapter of privilege has opened up in recent months.

Sure. It's, I've got to say that, yet again, I've been pleasantly surprised by how many safety nets there are beneath me. Because my parents, and this isn't going to help things at all, live in Hong Kong. Which is a lovely place to kill some time in one's 50s. Or if you fancy to be on the edge of some genuinely thrilling civil unrest. But they were meant to be moving back to the UK this year, but because of the pandemic, they have elected to stay there a bit longer, which means that the house in Wiltshire they were going to be moving back to where I grew up was an empty. So me and my young family decamped to a undeniably nicer house,

even better, with no disrespect to them obviously, without my parents in it. As I christened it in the only joke I've written this entire lockdown, all of the Arga, none of the Agro. I've got one. And I've got one child. And you've just got one, is that right? I vote one child? Yes, I've got an 18-month-old daughter. And I would say that it's been a very good lockdown for having an 18-month-old old, I would say, obviously, and you've covered this extensively

on the podcast, which I'm a big fan of. The dream scenario, just from a pressure perspective, is undeniably no children. But I would say, you know, not from a sort of life enrichment, sort of long-term legacy perspective, but just in terms of day-to-day stress. But I would say, withinthe child realm, one is better than two, three, four, I could go on, you've all counted yourselves, or I'd say even just age-wise, obviously newborn has got all of those very specific stresses, and then as soon as they become toddler, terrible twos, and then a genuine understanding of like the sort of maybe questioning the pandemic, why they're missing school, not seeing a friend.

Having to do homeschooling. Exactly. Whereas one and a half, we've just watched her learn to walk and talk, and it's been fantastic. Like it's genuinely, it's all the best bits of young parenthood I would say and we've had great you know sort of full-time access to it. So even in a pandemic you've had child age privilege alongside the country residents. I do hear. I mean it's an unbelievable set of privileges. I would say that while the lovely home is a

privilege that I cannot really take any credit for, you've got to say that part of the parenting is just me trying to have a positive outlook about it and dare I say pouring some of my own good energies into it. I've been lucky in that we don't have a lot of work on me and my daughter I'm both self-employed so we've not had the stress of trying to juggle whole days on Zoom calls or whatever. What I would say to counteract all of the nice things that I've got going on, is emotionally it's been a bit more challenging because me and my daughter's mom aren't together. We broke up last year, which was obviously, to quote quite a lot of my family, not ideal timing.

Um, and... But, while obviously these things are incredibly, sort, sort, sort, sort, sort, sort, sort, sort, sort, sort, sort, sort, sort, sort, sort, sort, sort, sort, sort, sort, sort, sort, sort, sort, sort, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the nice, the nice, the nice, the nice, the nice, the nice, the nice, the nice, the nice, the nice, the nice, the nice, the nice, the nice, the nice, the nice, the nice, the nice, the nice, the nice, to to to to to to to to to to to to their, their, their, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, timing. But while obviously these things are incredibly sort of stressful and sad and complicated, we sort of, it was done with the sort of best of intentions and sort of very amicably and particularly over the sort of Christmas period, we started to get, I think, into quite a nice co-parenting rhythm in London and we hang out most days and I think at the beginning of this year it was like okay we're starting to feel now like we're sort of doing okay at this new chapter and maybe even now we might be able to start getting a bit more closure from our relationship.

Yeah moving on slightly but still co-parenting. It wouldn't say it was the best time for a global pandemic to have forced us back into the same lovely listed home. Essentially the pandemic has led to you to playing a kind of act out of your own parents situation when they had children either. Yeah I that's exactly it I mean my parents weren't in this specific house they weren't in Graham Hall, obviously. They weren't in Graham Hall. They were actually in Japan on another chapter of the wild expat ride that I could have been. I wouldn't try and improvise what Graham Hall would have been in Japanese because I don't think it ends hugely well.

I have just a bit clear, would you still living together in London? We weren't living together. I'd, in one of a series of quite sort of cruel, ironic twists that have fallen my life over the last year, I was living just down the road with a couple of friends of mine called Julian and Rose. Basically, if you went to Eaton and you fall into any sort of trouble in your adult life, you get sent a sort of emergency Julian to bear life. So they live just down the road and so it was perfect. They had a spare room.

Unfortunately, just after I moved in with them, they then told me that they were expecting a baby. Oh my. So my, I mean, I was never going to be in their spare room for too long because eventually I did put a very specific time dead on. And that cot is quite small you're a tall man aren't you? It's not ideal Rob during the you know of course occasional darker moments when when one wonders sort of quite how things have come to this to have a nursery being assembled around you And they're like, obviously, you can stay as long as you want, but we are just, we're

going to build the baby bouncer today if you don't mind. That'll just be here next to your boxes. So in a way was the pandemic forcing you to move out of that a positive. I think it was. I mean, they were absolutely lovely and I still had, I'd say at least six weeks left on the, um, on, on the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to toe as long........ toe. toe. toe. toe. But, toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. their their the too. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. to. to. to. to move out of that a positive? I think it was. I mean they were absolutely lovely and I still had I'd say at least six weeks left on the on on the clock before that their child was literally born. But it was definitely the solution I think and I think we're both really pleased with how it went because there were other options you know for me I've got lots of family in London but as lockdown

started, alongside all the other stress of like what's it's going to do to sort of work and the sorts of baby things we do, you know, the classes we go to, you know, the classes we go to, you would then also having to read about like, like like co-parenting loopholes, which is kind of, I mean, obviously a lot of people, including I'm sure people listening to this, will have had to go through that and work it out, but it is stressful and particularly when the whole situation is quite new, it's just a sort of bit bleak when you've just got good at living just down the road, sort of co-parent together most days, but having to, to go, to thear, to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to tho tho tho tho tho tho the, tho thoe, thr.a, thoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooe, the, thoooooooooooooooooo and toe, toe a disface and then you're going okay am I gonna be able to go home at the end of day without getting stopped by the police and having to... Oh yes let me just explain we took a very difficult

decision at a very strange point in our lives but we're doing it doing extremely well and I've sanitized my hands obviously so if you could go home to the the other nursery that would be a really plastic so it became quite clear thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi th thi thi th thi th thi thi thi thi the thi thi thi thi thi the thi the thi the to to the the to to to to to to the other nursery. That would be fantastic. So it became quite clear quite quickly that having an empty house in the countryside was definitely the right call. And my parents' house is like, you know, we, it's, it's, don't think I'm bragging when I say it's got enough bedrooms for me and carry to sleep separately. And I, uh, that's good and we could both have sort of time apart from each other there if required. But it was mad that first week of lockdown because obviously even though lockdown was so sort of strictly enforced and observed, there was definitely about a week where I think the paranoia fueled

by all the panic buying and stuff was definitely creating things like people were saying the motorways are going to be closed. So we were packing up, I don't know if you sort of remember this or whether it related to any decisions that you guys were making, but we were going to be today to get our stuff and get up sort of just get our heads around this. But are they going to be barricades on the M4 tomorrow. We need to like to go overnight. And obviously actually it was it was fine, but it was quite stressful. And then my parents, who, you know, goodness me, managing the intercontinental life is never easy. But they had let a few of the bits of the sort of house, basically, they hadn't prepared the country house for the sudden arrival of

their elder son's broken family, very technically. So the heating wasn't working. So we- Could I just say, Ivo, when you moved to your parents, or when they, when the discussions were ongoing, they sent you what I would think is the funniest photo I've ever seen in my life Which was right which was them demonstrating how how the hijack could be used? Yes, that's that's basically it they were trying to- We put that out of Instagram I think I put it as an Instagram story which is what I do with content that I don't really believe in. You know, I'm sort of testing it out and if it gets a good reaction, then maybe it'll pop up as a post a few days later like nothing happened.

But... Have you got the photo? Yes, I've got the photo. So we've got a neighbor who will occasionally sort of pop in and like sort of check on like things run out. So they very kindly got a couple of baby things out of the attic for us, even from a far ready for our arrival, including this little, it's a seat that you just attached to a table instead of a high chair and they'd put, as a demonstration of how well it could work, a massive teddy bear in it, which I can't really do justice to it. And I would like to give the photo a much needed second wind on social media, crucially with lockdown parenting hell's backing. But it was one of the most surreal photos, because it was a large country kitchen containing a teddy bear strapped to the side of a table.

It was looking furious, may I say. Looking absolutely livid at the situation. We'll stick it on Instagram so this is good. It's hurting. Did you saw it out of the heating? Well, so we had a week of like, obviously there's a fireplace, so we had a week of sort of huddling around the fire. But the stars not cold.

You know, ironically, their quarters are extremely well heated. It's all part of my father's sort of a very democratic world fume. Yeah, it was sort of cold and it felt a bit weird. Then there was this like April heat wave and the heating got fixed as well and suddenly you were so aware of how lucky you would have like a garden while lockdown was being so stressful for people particularly without like like more than their designated hour in the local park and actually all of the last five months while obviously at times very emotionally

confusing have been like it's been like a real win I would say particularly that first month was just great we just couldn't really believe that we've done it and we'd make the sense of like we've made it out and it's all paid off. Did you like did you live the same life as a three or was there ways you dealt with kind of the situation like day to day did you fall into a routine? well I say we probably just did the the the that that th that that that that that that that that that that that that that th that th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th thi thi the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi. thi. thi thi. thi thi thi. thi thi. thi. thi. thi. thi the the th ways you dealt with kind of the situation? Like day to day, did you fall into a routine? Well I'd say we probably just divvied up the time just like most sort of families did, but maybe with a bit more of an onus on, you know, having our own space both, not just to get stuff done but just for a little bit of, you know, any semblance of emotional independence. I would say with regards to lockdown and just in general, it thiiiiiiiiii, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, or thi, or thi, thi, or thi, or thi, thi, thi, tho, tho, the, the, the, thi, thi, thi, thi, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, the, the, the, the, the, the, thr, thrown, thro, throooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo's usually about thirds. We try and do a third sort of each

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Basically, I'd be up in my room trying to have a sort of, trying to think up something funny to say at my next stand-up gig, which probably wouldn't happen for 18 months. And you would either want to go downstairs because you could hear the parenting being quite stressful, you know, ED would be a bit you know, upset about something. You'd think, I'm not doing anything important enough to justify not helping out. Or they'd be having such a cute time and she'd be sort of giggling and sort of shrieking in a good way. You'd be like, I obviously want to go in and get on that because it's far better and more soul-nourishing than anything I'm doing. Basically, my, basically my daughter had to be being such solidly mediocre company for me to get anything done. It had not fun and not a disaster and then I could be like

okay right you know now now let's let's let's think up that podcast idea because anything either way it's a bit like when I used to play FIFA on career mode with my brother late in tonight and we established that you could only go to bed on a drawer because if you lost, you couldn't get a head on a defeat. But if you won, you had to have that hit again. Only a drawer could leave you emotionally neutral enough to sleep. Do you think splitting up has made you appreciate and not put more pressure on, but made you

kind of more engaged with experiencing these moments with your daughter? I think so. I think partly like last year, I mean just having to their time not living with her, I think, I mean just having spent a bit of time not living with her, and also just other things that sort of inevitably happened when you're at your comic like I went to Edinburgh for a month last year you know there was the sense that my first that my experience of the first year of her life hadn't been the typical one and that I've missed out on a bit of stuff I mean on the other hand I think being a stand-up comedian

is sort of great for being a parent because you get all this daytime. Actually, I feel that even through some of the sort of more tricky bits of last year, I was still probably getting more than a lot of dads who just have to go back to work 9-5 quite soon after having a baby. But I think of course living together, which is just going to be a longer-term challenge about how that all works. But at the moment it's we parent around the one flat and this is what we've just gone back to in London. We parent around the one flat that carry an E.D. live in, and I'm nearby with whatever friends of mine up the duff at that moment in time. And so, you know, I'm seeing her most days, and I can get the living with my daughter experience of putting her to bed in the evening, going off and the the the th and th........ And the the the the the the the, and the, and th. And the, and th. And th. And th. And the living with my daughter experience of putting her to bed in the evening, going off and

then coming about first thing in the morning to get her up, but there is still obviously the sense that something has been lost in the middle. You go around then at first thing in the morning, I would like, what time are you arriving? Well some days, and again, this is just the sort in turns to have to have the monitor. Whereas now if I'm doing an early morning, obviously we're very lucky as well that she is a good sleep. She sleeps pretty consistently through the night till roughly about the same sort of time between 6.30 and 7. But if I want the getting her up and the sort of all the charm of her sort of being bleary-eyed when I sort of go in, then I have to arrive early enough for that and then if she's not

awake I have to make the choice of either to come into the flat which will probably wake her or to sit just outside the flat and listen for her waking up. Through the door. It's not ideal obviously and I don't think that has a long-term solution. Are you sitting outside a flat at quarter past six in the morning is, is inherently reportable to the police in a way, isn't it? Yeah, and I think it's crossed our neighbours minds on a couple of occasions. Also there was another night, this was before the Superman t-shirt shouting, Let Me Indo and El Pever. The great thing is about being such a young single dad is that all my old Superman outfit

still fit me. So I'm absolutely scorched you. You're primed for Father's for Justice. You're ready to go. Before lockdown, I'd moved in with Julian and Rose, but I hadn't completely adjusted, emotionally or administratively, to the new situation, and I'm not the most organized person, the best of times.

So I realized at the end of a sort of evening coming home from a gig that I hadn't got the keys to their place. But I did still have the keys to my old place, But this was when sleep wasn't going quite as smoothly, and it wasn't ideal if she woke in the night. And I thought, well, I could come in at like one in the morning and just sort of sleep on the sofa because I'm doing the early shift tomorrow anyway. But I don't really want to wake her up,

because that just won't be ideal for anyone. And I'm afraid to say that the decision I took, given that it was only about five hours until she woke up anyway, was to instead use the third set of keys at my disposal, which were the keys to our Ford Focus, which is part of the flat. So just a lovely almighty in the forward, and by the way, 21 taking on this new thrilling shape. I would say that the the seats actually don't recline all the way down in the focus. They did in my old Toyota Corolla but they didn't in the focus so it

wasn't a terrific night actually. Did you not go back seat? No but the back seat has the baby seat it. And I'm not confident enough with the ice affix to take the baby seat out. And again, you know, when I, because I thought, okay, back, it's straight across the back seat and I had forgotten. And again, in a sort of, you know, metaphor for the reminders of my situation, I'd forgotten, of course, there it was the hulking jui baby seat. A couple of weeks before then I'd done a gig where I had I was driving three people to the gig so I thought right great one in the front with me and then two in the back next to the baby seat and

I would say the jui it takes up maybe 1.25 seats. It definitely it encroaches into the middle so my friend who was doing the gig with me looked at it and said, oh it's a bit tight in the back, do you think there's any chance we could put the baby seat in the boot? And it was too embarrassing to say, no, because I'm not confident enough of being able to put it back in afterwards. It's very stressful. I'm not very practical man. I went to an all-boys. boarding school which prioritized a sort of intellectual growth rather than practical growth.

So and also I was livid because they were a couple. I was like yeah, cozy up in the back. So I had with, through critted teeth I had taken it out and then, of course, had found it difficult to put it back in again. They're so heavy. And you click in on one side and then you go around the other side to click on the other side and you've somehow unclicked it on the side you've just left. It is, you know, I'm sure if I did it on on the regs, then I would be a master of it. But as we've established, I don't want to be doing it on the regs really, thrown. And how's how's your daughter? How's your daughter? Is she? like is she, was she well behaved in lockdown? She was, she, I mean, it really has been,

and like it's been fantastic. It's she's, because you do, of course, when you're stressed about sort of this slightly unusual situation, what it's gonna look like in the future, you're obviously just prioritizing your shared, you know, the thing that brings you together and the thing that brings you together and the thing that you're always going to focus on

and just sort of pouring as much energy and attention and love into that as possible. So it is really good when she's in a good mood because of course you then can feel like, oh we've done the right thing and we're doing well at it. And of course, babies of any situation are going to have very frustrating days, and you shouldn't take that upon yourself. But it does still help. I'm looking to my 18-month-old daughter for reassurance that we've made the right life choices, which I say to. Holy that!

It's a dangerous form of emotional dependence. But then we go in that five months and you're in you know you're separated but you still managed to you know live together and co-parent it's such a you know not I don't think many couples that split up could could have done that so I think you gave it a lovely experience. Well it's very nice you go to say I'm aware that I've essentially spent the last five months living inside a guardian long read. You should write a book. Well, let's see how this podcast is received, crucially not just by your listeners, but by our families. I think you've been very fair.

I mean, and to go back to how she's been, it's been brilliant. And the walking and talking thing, having this specific period of time for that to be happening has been, it's just fun. You know, when there's new words every day and all of those fun little parents surprises like she picked up something that you didn't even try to teach her, which thus far has all been, you know, sweet things like fruit and animal noises rather than some of the darker things that I mutter to myself. It's really, it's, yeah, it's been great. Do you find Ivo that, because obviously you're making decisions about how you parent or like the rules at which you'd set a child or whatever, you know, whatever any couple would make the decision on,

does that, is that more difficult because you're not a couple in a way? Like, do you have different approaches to parenting or has that been pretty simple and easy? I think broadly we have not got anything too different really. I think that will obviously get more challenging as she gets older and there are more just decisions to make really. But at the moment, it's just been about the things like just, you know, trying to, you know, sort of baby things and young toddler things like trying to get into good sleep habits, trying to keep her in a good routine, trying to get a gree. And actually, A, she's been pretty good on all of those things. She sleeps well and she eats well. And you know, Carrie is, she's very good at that and she has sort of thought a lot about it and read a lot about it and was very good at getting a sort of routine going early doors.

So I slot into that, I think, quite, quite sort of agreeably, I don't bring any radical theories to the table. Fascinating to listen to Russell Russell Russell Russell Russell Russell Russell Russell Russell Russell Russell Russell Russell Russell Russell Russell Russell Russell the Russell to Russell, Russell, Russell, to Russell, to Russell, to Russell, the to Russell, the to Russell, to Russell, the to Russell, their, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, to, the, to, to, to, tooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, the, the, the, th the table. Fascinating to listen to Russell Kane on the podcast, bringing a lot of what I would call boarding school energy. Because I guess that's my legacy of the way I was brought up is that even though I think my parents could not have given us more love and and sort of reassurance of us being a family unit. At the same time, we did all go to boarding school, which increasingly feels just so alien and to people and is obviously associated with quite a lot of less than ideal, political patterns that manifesting themselves at the moment I would say.

But I think I've still got a bit of that thing of like, even though I don't feel I had a sort of a hugely rough or emotionally malnourished time at school, I think there's still a little bit of that creeps in when it's like if she wants a snack and it's not the sort of time of day when she'd do the ever have a snack, I think I'm probably more the one to be like, well no, she's got to learn that she doesn't need a snack. I would say that is literally as heavy hitting as the debate gets. It's about whether to give an apple rice cake at 2.30pm when really it should, the rice cake shouldn't be deployed any time before 3.15. At either what age did you go to a boarding school? I went when I was seven.

So, yes. Would you, would you, would you send your children, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, your, your, your, your, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to to to, to to, to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to, to, to to to, to to, to, to to, to to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, the the the the the the the the the their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their to to to to to to to a boarding school? I went when I was seven. Wow. So yes. Would you would you send your children to a boarding school? I would say no. I think that again though I think my parents did it with good reasons and it's still didn't ask about your parents either. I've got to stop defending my parents actually. I think that tells us more. It does tell us a lot actually when I've been everything you ever mentioned them once and I'm actually working

through quite a lot of that sort of stuff with my therapist I don't need to do that on this podcast. By the way I should say psychotherapy particularly when your life is very much defined by your evolving, romantic and familial situation, another very strange thing to do in a lockdown pandemic under the same roof as your child and ex-partner. Oh, via Zoom. Oh, wow. Absolutely wholesome morning of parenting and then upstairs to make sure the door is shut firmly to discuss what an absolute wrench it all is.

Yeah you really need to make sure they're in the garden for that phone. Could you go at the end of the garden for this phone call blue? Yeah, well yeah exactly past, yeah lawn two as we call it. Did you ponder over how, because obviously you're quite, um, anyone who hasn't seen your stand-up perish the thought. You're quite a kind of autobiographical stand-up. We talk a lot about how your life has evolved through the last few years. Have you had to give a lot of thought as to how you would address your situation as a stand-up? I'll be honest, Josh, the cancellation of this year's Edinburgh Fringe, financially not ideal it has come artistically as quite a relief.

I've really settled into a groove slash sort of trap over the last few years of not really extending my imagination beyond just whacking down an hour of whatever's happened to me over the last year and hoping that people are emotionally invested in it if not amused by it and a few of my February work in progress is had already given a few hints that this year was going to be a slightly trickier sell. So I think having a year to mull on that is is no bad thing. I mean I think having a year to mull on that is no bad thing. I mean, I think when you have a child at all, the onus on any even vaguely autobiographical comic or writer or public figure to think a bit more about how much they're giving away

does go up, obviously, a lot. May I say, I think you both do an absolutely excellent job. You know, you watch a Josh Widdicam show, he's your best friend, he's just like you, and then half way home, you realize that actually you haven't found out anything about him at all. Actually, I think I, you know, I have set up this thing of every show feeling like a bit of a sort of an evolution from the last and it suddenly is a little bit more challenging. On the other hand, as long as you're discreet and sort of tactful and I don't know, I think there's actually something that's hopefully interesting about this. There have been funny aspects. May I refer you back to sleeping in my car for five hours. And the Arga joke. Let's not forget the Arga joke, because it's the best joke I've heard

in last film. Well, thanks very much, Rob. Yeah, I wrote that in late March and I'm afraid to say, I took the rest of the spring and summer off. I think, I think you should worry too much. I, I think there's much to worry about. I think... Don't listen to the Daily Mail either. Oh no, but they're so right about everything. I think even listening to this podcast, to be honest, which has been a real delight to have, it's been my early morning, it which I listen with one headphone in. It's my Ellis James watching The Last Dance. But I'm not...

So do you listen, I've discussed this before, but I didn't name you, that you have one headphone in when you're parenting early on. Not, I mean, not always, and certainly less and less so, because she's clocked it now, which is, obviously it's wonderful to watch your child grow and evolve, but every time they basically work something out, a little bit of your own individual freedom is chipped away. So during those, particularly, there was, you know, occasionally earlier on in lockdown, there were a few more sort of 5 a.m.ers, where you're just, you're sort of waking up into

parenting and sort of they're basically, you know, not doing anything too challenging either. So it would be nice just to pop one headphone in, because I think if you play it, I don't know, it's, they're both obviously antisocial not that she's called me out on that yet but I think just playing anything off a speaker. See I put the radio on either in the morning. I mean that's that's obviously fine I don't think either of these things. If you're preparing breakfast and they're playing you can have one ear in as you're doing something like that. I think that's and also sometimes if you're going from room to room the the the the the the room the room the room the room the room the room the room the room the room the room the room the room the room the the room the the the room the the th the th th th th th th. thr thro thro thro thi the the the. the. the. I the. I the. I the. I the. I the. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th th. I th th th th. I th th. I th. I th th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I the. I'm the. I'm the. I'm the. I'm the. I'm the. I'm the. I'm the. I the. I the. I the. I the. I the. I th issues. But the point is, listening to the podcast and listening to you both talking more frankly about aspects of it and listening to all the different angles on parenting provided by the guests,

it's been very, very reassuring, I think, for me. That's nice. Oh good. And I think a lot of people listening to this will feel the same either, especially talking about co-parent and split, the, the, the, the, and, the, and, and, and, and, the, and, the, and, and, and, the, and, and, the, and, and, the, the, and, and, the, and, the, and, and, I, the, I, and, their, thi, thi, thi, and, thi, thi, thi, and, and, thi, and, thi, thi, thi, thanks, and, thanks, and, and, and, and, and, and, the, thanks, thanks, thanks, thanks, thanks, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, they, they, they, they, they, somea, somea, they, somea, somea, they, and, somea, and, they, they, thanks, thanks, and, th will feel the same either, especially, you know, talking about co-parenting. And there's so many people that have to co-parent and split time between different houses and different places and stuff like that. And it is, you know, it's a logistical nightmare. It's a logistical nightmare when you're with your partner, you know, trying to bring up kids. So I think a lot of, amongst other things, is that this period has been so

nice with our daughter being at such a great stage and us not having too much, you know, obviously if you read or think too much about the pandemic, it all just gets a bit bleak, but, but if we just concentrate on being, you know, in the countryside, in the sunshine with our daughter, without too much sort of work pressure. And also, I've not been gigging. So we've been making dinner and watching TV and doing all this other stuff most nights that we so rarely did when we were a couple because I was always out.

So that's been so much more wholesome. So we've gone from feeling like a couple who, you know, sort of were struggling and sometimes sort of paping to being the best non-couple. And. And. And to. And to, and to, and to, and to, and to, to, to, to be, the to be, to be, to-s, to-s, to-s, the-s, the-s, the-s, the-s, the-s, the-s, the the thi, the the the the the to, the the to, the the the the to, the the the the the the the the the the the the the, the the the the the, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th, the-s, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, to-s, toooomoombso, toe, too, tooomorrow, toe, too, too, too, too, the the the the the over the cracks to being the best non-couple. And the line between the two is so, it's such a wafer-thin line and it's such a confusing line obviously. Yeah. It's just kissing, isn't it, that's the line, isn't it, that's just not kissing, Rob? It's just not kissing, actually, Rob. Just don't kiss. Is everything the same but no kissing? Is that the rule?

Have I got it right? I think, I think you're absolutely right, Rob. Many is the time in lockdown when, you know, of course, you've had a lovely wholesome evening, you've watched three episodes of normal people, which really lathers it on from a romantic perspective. And it feels absolutely ludicrous to be retiring to separate bedrooms rather than sort of starting a new chapter of your own life but actually you have to remember that you've made these decisions for a certain

reason and you're not in normal people you're co-parenting during a pandemic. Oh Ivo thank you so much I bo that was brilliant it was great to speak thank you so much. Thank you so much Ivo. That was brilliant. It was great to speak to you and we'll speak to you again at some point I'm sure. Let's get carry on for our side of it. I think that would be completely fair. It would be, I mean these lockdown parenting or co-parenting hell podcast that the doubles are particularly enjoyable. I'm not sure I'd like to... But it's up to you whether you invite her or not, obviously. Ivo, thanks Ivo Graham. Oh, great episode that. Genuinely, that is one of my favorite episodes,

depending on editing all that stuff out about him, I'm thinking that he's better than people from comprehensive schools. that that that that the threats. But, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but the they, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but the the the they. the they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. the, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, that is one of my favorite episodes, depending on editing all that stuff out about him, I'm thinking that he's better than people from comprehensive schools. But I know he did not say that, Josh, I will stand up for him for him. I will stand up for him for him for him for him for him for him. And I don't think it's a fair with him, because he gets a hard time because obviously he has gone to Eaton and Oxford and all thi sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort... that was picked for him by his parents the same way I didn't pick my upbringing of you know comprehensive in a working class area so I do feel sorry sometimes for people that have that upbringing that it's not their choice they were thrown into it just the same way I think I think I've ever they're elegantly leaned into it and made it a funny part of his brand

as opposed to people who kind of try and cover up their growing up situation. Growing up situation, bloody how. You can tell I didn't go to eat and can't you? You had to eat, you would have been able to say that in Latin. At the same time of selling off the NHS. That's what you learned there. Um, so Rob, I thought that was brilliant. I also think, what was fascinating about this podcast is just people in such different situations. Yeah the situations the situations really, I think before I thought it was just us moaning about kids, but really, the reality is, being a parent defines your life,

essentially because you have this huge anchor of somewhere where you have to be this big responsibility. So it does make an impact on their decision you make. You can't just go, I want to go live abroad or I'm going to go traveling, there's that tire. So I think in all different types of ways it impacts on you and it's about how people deal with it. And you know, it's great to hear I have I talked about that the co-parent and stuff because I imagine a lot of people listening, our single parents and a dealing with it, you know, we've had other single parents on the show, Allison and Judy and stuff. So, yeah, I thought it was really interesting. It's really honest, it's really really really really really, it's really, it's really, it's really, it's really, it's really, it's really, it's really, it's really, th. thi. It's really, thi. It's really, thi. It's really, thi, thi, thin, the thin, their, their, their, it's really, their, their, their, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, their, their, that's, their. It's, their. It's, their. It's, their. It's, their. It's, their. It's, their. It's, their. It's, their. It's, their. It's, their. It's, their. It's their, their, their, their, their, their. their. their. the the the the the the the today. the the the the the the the the thea. the thea. their, their that situation work. They both come out of it with so much credit for putting the welfare of their daughter first

and you know, and really, and having to try and rebuild this situation that isn't the classic 2.4 children situation. But you're building a situation that's, you know, just as healthy if not more than people who are in the 2.4 children. I do think it's better off to to tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho thi thi thi thi thi thi thi tho tho tho tho tho tho thi, thi, that tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho th. th. th. th. th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I's just just just just just just, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, more than people who are in the 2.4 children. So I do think it's better off to sort of split up and co-parent than be that couple that hate each other and argue in front of the kids and they're together, but it's horrendous. Just because, you know, I mean, it's sort of, I totally agree. Although, obviously I wouldn't like to speculate over whether I've, to be.. I'm, their. I'm, to be, to be, to speculate, to speculate, to speak, to speak, to speak, to speak, to speak, to speak, to to to to to to to to spe, to to to spe, to spe, to spi and to spi, to to spi, to splipe, to splip. to splip. to splip. to spi, to spi, to split, to split, to split, to split, to split, to split, to split, to split, to split, to split, to split, to split, to to to to to to to to to to to the the the the the the the their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their, their their their their their their their their their their their their, their, to not saying they were, but I'm just saying in general, I've seen it with other couples that are sort of, they, you know, so I think it's better to be grown up about

it and it seems like they have. And also, from a point of view of a bloke who grew up in South East London and went to a comprehensive school, to hear that a boarding school kid er. No, no, I know it is on the many lawns of Ivo's parents' house. Yeah, but it's so green. The formal gardens are absolutely stunning. I'll go there. Thank you to Ivo. That was a genuine joy. We're back on Friday. Where we've lots of emails we want to get through, lots of Instagrams we want to get through. And so we look forward to that. If you want to get in touch, here's how. Email us, hello at lockdown parenting. or tweet us at lockdown parents or Instagram lockdown underscore parenting and you can also send us stuff PO box 76748 London E99 DW. Also don't forget to rate and review us we were number one on episodes in the charts the other day. The Chris Rockerfact. Oh but oh I've just checked Amy

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