Parenting Hell with Rob Beckett and Josh Widdicombe - S01 EP55: Carl Donnelly

Episode Date: November 4, 2020

ROB BECKETT & JOSH WIDDICOMBE'S 'LOCKDOWN PARENTING HELL' - S01 EP55: Carl Donnelly Joining us in the studio this episode to discuss the highs and lows of parenting (and life) during the lockdown and beyond is the brilliant comedian and writer, Carl Donnelly .Enjoy. Rate and Review. Thanks. xxx If you want to get in touch with the show here's how:EMAIL: [e-mail]: @lockdownparent INSTAGRAM: @lockdown_parentingA 'Keep It Light Media' Production Sales, advertising, and general enquiries: [e-mail] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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and to make me feel better about my increasingly terrible parenting skills. Each episode will be chatting to a famous parent about how well they're coping. Or hopefully not. And we will be hearing from you the listener with your tales of lockdown parenting woe. Because let's be honest, none of us know what we're doing. Hello and welcome to Lockdown Parenting Hell with... Can you say Rob Beckettie? Can you say Josh Widicke? Can you say Josh Beckett? Can you say Josh Whitticken? What were the extra sound effects there?

Well, that was obviously the TV on in the background so I've got much respect for that family. But, no, but growing up, the tenny was never off in our house. Same hair, same hair. I remember I went down to visit my mom and dad once, and theynis was never off in our house. Same hair. Same hair. I remember I went down to visit my mom and dad once. And they like, we were all sitting chatting. And I was like, yeah, and he had the control out as we're talking. And I went, what are you doing?

I'm just putting something on. I went, yeah, but it you going to put on? Is it something that you want to show me? It went, no, just Reggie Yates in China. Why would you want Reggie Yates in China just on in the background for that background noise? It's insane. I just don't get it. And they've got a sound bar, so if ever I stay there, I can never turn the tele on. It's either tell you on and silent or tell you off and loud. But who was that? Who was that? I'm sorry, yeah.

Sarah Smith has sent this in. This is my two-year-old Charlotte with her older brother Jacob, who's five butting in. Thank you. Oh, yeah, we used to have the'd be nothing on and my mom would say, shall we turn it off and have a chat? And I think, you sick, oh. What? Also, do you know what? I think that's why it put pressure on your anecdotes growing up.

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I just, it was such a perfect ending. Such a perfect ending. Yeah, well some said that about you know the 2012 Olympics, but you know people carried on going didn't they making shows? I have you know it was the Paralympics. Oh, you've done me? Oh, you've done me? Oh, you've done me? Should I tell you about my week or do you want to tell me about your week? Do you want to tell me about your week? Do you? Do you? Do you? Do you? Do to to to hear to hear about it? Do the week? Do to to the week? Do to to the week? Do the week? Do to to to the week? Do to to to to their to to to to to to to to to their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their th. th. th. te? te? te? te. te. te. tea? tell? tell? te. tell? tell. tell? tell. their their their their tell? tell me about your week? I'll hear about my week, what did I do? No, you tell us your week, come on. I stopped by telling you about today, Rob. So I discovered a larger playground in Victoria Park, which is not the part. How have you only just found it? Well no, I knew it was the hair, but I always thought it was too old and so we gave it a go because she's now three. Too old as in archaic and falling apart or too old for your daughter? I said too old for my daughter but since you say that 50% of the rides are behind fencing

getting a refurbed at the moment. Oh, there's nothing sad. It's got it's got three big slides, like not like the slides where you climb up a ladder and go down. Like, kind of, you know the kind of mega slides where you have to like go up some stairs? Oh yeah, the ones where like, it's basically the first part of your life. It's almost, it's like uni for a toddlar. They're all up there with all their new mates, just throwing themselves off. So I didn't realize quite the impact of these slides. So we went up to the first one. I was like, it's kind of done, they built it onto a hill, really.

So you go up to this up the hill. And then she went down the slide at what I can only describe as a breakneck speed. And then I kind of went down the steps to meet her at the bottom and saw that I'd missed the first time a sign saying seven year old or above. Seven! Really? She's three? Yeah, three. Seven.

No wonder you could fit out there. that's fine. That's true. So we weren't. She loved it. We went down the big one with her on my lap a couple of times that went well because I thought that's fine. Middle ground 37 plus 40 in fact so and then we went back today. Yeah and it had it rained and it was going very fast and then it stopped just after the rain

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Rob, but whatever I was wearing meant that I had a very different resistance to everyone else that had been on that slide. Was he had a big brown sack? So I was in a pair of jeans, right? And so they hadn't even reached the flat bit at the bottom. They just had to get off at the bottom. The flat bit. I just send you a photo of the bottom and you can see my skid through the sandy water. We can stick this up on the instar. So bear in mind, where it starts to level out, no one had ever made any progress of

that. And you can now see the skid of my ass in this photo I'm about to send you. Oh my, is that your ass? That's my a thus going the whole way down. And I got the wettest, sandiest dais I've ever had in my life. Like properly wet through. That is a steep, it's like a Soviet Russian slide. Yeah, exactly. Do you said built into a hill. It's built into like a concrete bunker. That doesn't look like a fun place to go. So and she made me do it again. So I did it again. So I did it again. So I did it again. to go on the way down? Yeah, we just flew down again. But I was just like, of course, because we were going probably probably I don't want to overestimate 80 miles an hour.

I was like oh God the fear though I put the two-year-old on my shoulders earlier and you know when you put them up and then they move a bit and I nearly went and I was like and I just walking along I got gently fell from like you know I'm not a massive man but it's still five foot eight it's too high to to to to to to the on the on to the on the on the on the on to the on the on the the on the shoulder the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the they. I don't they. I they. I don't th. I'm their. I'm their. I'm their. I'm their. I'm they. I'm they. I'm the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. I th. I th. I th. I was th. I'm just th. I'm just. I'm just. I'm just. I'm just. I'm just. tole. tole. tttttole. ttttole. tte. tole. I was. I was. I was. I was. I'm know, I'm not a massive man, but it's still 5 foot 8 is too higher to fall from. I don't like the on-the-shoulder walk. No? I haven't got enough confidence, despite the fact that I haven't fallen over. I'm going to have shoulders.

I'm going to have got to have shoulders. I'm going to have fall over. Do you know what I mean? I've never thought about falling over. I've thought about dropping it but not me tripping, but that is a. I would be not. That is a true, that yeah, that is a concern, isn't it? The trip.

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Oh, tell bringing something on a drone. They do it in every show. And I'm just going to go on, and Alex Brooke has been on the day before. Yeah. And I'm literally just about to go on. I haven't done a TV show in probably three months. And so you're slightly nervous. And he goes, your mate was good yesterday. And I was, oh, I was very close to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to th. that that that that that that that that that that's that's thi. that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th Oh, and I was, I was very close to telling him to fuck off. I think you should.

I just, I just walked away. I just ignored it and walked away. I would have said, well, you better be good at that drone. And we're getting other fat virgins are coming and do your job, you loser. Too fair, drone operators are like rock and roll stars, because they're basically people that have mastered it before it became a job. And now they're like, I am rolling in the money here because all the TV shows want it and I'm the only one that can do it.

He wasn't aware that maybe you shouldn't get in someone's head before they go on. Yeah, I mean, I doubt if you were even doing drones at the boxing, he'd say to Auntie Joshua, I saw Tyson Fury in sparring. You're gonna punch in. You're good at fighting. Did you give him evils? What did you do? I just sort of laugh it off? I just walked off.

I think in the future, you should tell them to fuck off but try and do it in a jokey way. Do you think? They'll love it and then he's got a good anecdote there because he's giving you a bit of banter they're a bit a bit blokey some of the drone guys I've noticed and you could just go to tell you what mate why don't you in that drone the thrown thw I thu I th I th I th I thuu I thu thu th thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu to to to they're to they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they thu thu try try try try try try try try try try try try try try try try try to try to try to try to they they they they laughing his face and woke off. Because I've been walking down the street and I get a drone in the head. Two weeks down the line. Oh, can you imagine, I tell you what though, you do not want to be a bald man in TV now with drones, do you? There's no escape? Is there? We're going to do a drone shot here? You what? What does Possible sound like for your business?

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So we've talked before about me having not box rest trainers on TV. Yes, you're known for being a bit. to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be able to be to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able as well. Mom and Dad like to call it, soapy, dirty, looks like it needs a wash. Yeah, I wouldn't see you're known for that. I wouldn't go banding that around like that. It's been said. It's been said, yeah. Last time went around there, during Reggie Yates in China, your appearance did prop up. Say what you will about Reggie Yates, but you can you thia you thiainers. That guy, even in Beijing, his trainers are absolutely pristine white. So I had to do, for the different TV show, right?

But I realized that I haven't bought any trainers in six months, because I haven't had any reason. All of my trainers were fucked except one pair of new trainers. I had at the back of the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the theathing theathing theathing theateateateateateateateateateateateateateateateateate. the. I've theateateateate. th. th. th. the. th. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. the. the. the. the. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. toea. toea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. the of my trainers were fucked except one pair of new trainers. I had at the back of the thing that I'd worn once and then I wore them, went outside, came back in them, I'd stepped in dog shit Rob. Okay. And I had no other option of trainers and I was leaving at that point. So you took dog shit trainers? the bagged them up, took them to the dog dog dog dog dog dog dog dog dog dog dog dog dog dog the the their to their their their to their their their their their their their their their their their their their. their. their. their. their. their. their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, the. I. I, the. I's, too. I'm, too. I'm, too. I'm, too. I'm, too, thea, thea, their, their, their, their, their, trainers? In a bag, but I thought I'll, I will clean it myself when I get there. I'm not going to make anyone else clean that. So I bagged them up, took them to Pinewood Studios and I was like, I'll clean them. So you're arriving at the TV she knows with dog poo bag. Yeah, with dog poo bag. And Inco does, yeah, but I need something to clean my trainers because I can't, I can't make someone else do this. So I'm doing, I can say, is what I lied to you. It's quite, it's a very popular TV show and I'm crouched

over the sink in my dressing room, cleaning dog shit off their, wearing two. It feels like you're just getting shit off these shoes. You should have that would have been a great one. So anyway, she gives me those plastic medical gloves you'd wear. You know what I mean? That dentists wear. People are so worried about COVID and stuff that. I think people like don't care about dog shit as much. Well, the good thing is, because people are so worried about COVID. You've got all the stuff you need th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th the the the the the tho tho tho tho tho tho the the tho tho tho tho tho tho th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th. I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I th. I I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I tho tho tho tho that that that that to to to to to toea. tooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo-a. I'm th. I th people like don't care about dog shit as much. Well the good thing is because people are so worried about COVID, you've got all the stuff you need to clean dog shit off.

They've got all the PPE you need when you bring dog shit. So anyway, clean the dog shit off the shoes, delighted with myself, take the gloves off, go to makeup, put on the makeup, I'm thinking absolutely, smash this out, walk back into my dressing room, realized I had thrown in my haste to get to makeup and throwing off the gloves I'd put them on my phone. Oh no. And my phone was like wet with the dog shit gloves Rob. Yeah. You can't clean them because the gloves are on them and they're dirty. The gloves are on the phone and the gloves are dead. Because it'll never end.

It'll always be something to clean. Exactly. Oh dear, you've had a right all week, Josh. I don't have a week. How do you have a week? Well, I'll tell you about my week maybe on Friday. So because I've got a couple of Instagram things from the listeners. Should we do that?

Well, you know people talk about the kid saying the wrong things with pronunciation? This one from Carly Steele. My two-year-old got a playmobil castle for his birthday. It was only then we realized he couldn't say castle and called it his asshole, inviting everyone to come and play with my asshole. It made for a very interesting birthday party. The implication of that is that they did play this asshole. It made for an interesting birthday part. Because they took him up on that offer and they went for the arso. There there.

There we go. Oh, this one. I don't know. This is Joey Ireland. . . Thank you...................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................... the last few months. It's been very entertaining. Despite the clear hell of parenting in lockdown you've portrayed sometimes. I find myself newly pregnant with our first. The world of books and apps is somewhat

overwhelming right now. Can you recommend a good book for first time dad? Yes. I've got a good one. The Governor Lenny McLean. One of the most underrated autobiographies you'll ever read. What are you going to reckon? I think the best parenting book I've read is the Philip of Perry book, which is called something like the book you wish your parents had read or something like that. It's absolutely brilliant and I would highly recommend it. There won't be loads of use initially. Yeah, but when your daughter is bullying you to go on a unsuitable slide twice in a row, you'll know exactly what to do in

order for that to not happen. So you've used it really well I think Josh in your life. Honestly, she'll grow up a very well-adjusted person is just her dad will have a consistently wet sandy ass. And constantly panicking about tripping up. Also, I should mention this, my two daughters, right, you know, we've got this like microphone thing that plays songs, you press a button it plays songs, press a button as applause, you can record yourself, you can record, like little voices, little voices on it, right? Anyway, so there was... Really not turning them into yourself. Well, they're playing with it. Really, they're playing with. Well. Well. Well. Well. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I, I, I, I, I, I their their their their their their their their, we're playing. We're playing. We're playing. We're playing. We're playing. We're playing. We're playing. We're playing. We're playing. We're playing. We've th. We've th th. We're th, we're the microphone. We' the microphone. We' th. We' th. We' th. We' th. We' th. We' th. We' th. We' th. We've th. We've this, we've this, we've th. We've th. We've th. We've th. We've th. We've th. We've th. We've th. We've th. We've th. We've th. We've th. We've the. We've got the. We've got the. We've got the. We've got the. We've got the. We've got the. We've got this, we've got this,'s basically to sing right yeah they don't sing with it I walk past every day they just take turns holding it and talking about their day so they're essentially just doing little stand-up since they go like and then I went to heave a castle but they say where they went like

is a punchline amazing very young went, like it's a punchline. Amazing. Very young to realize it's mainly about rhythm. Well, yeah, there's no jokes there, but all the other stuff's there. But that's weird. I've never seen kids. Rob, we've both seen acts that have got away with that kind of shit for years, also what's weird is like, normal kids normal kids sing, don't know? That's an interesting, I was thinking about this the other day. Do they know what you do for a living and understand it? Not really, because everyone's on screens.

It's not that exciting to be on a tele, and they're too young to understand it's a TV show or something. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. They're not going, that's a great good show to get them. Also I've got a confession Josh. Yeah. I've started wearing female ug slippers. Oh my word. It's the comfiest my feet have ever been. What's the difference between a female ugslipper and a male uxlipper? Just comfy?

Size normally. No, basically I'll explain. Lou's got these ug slippers, yeah. So I've been wearing her her herthat like size six or something, right? But like, ramming my feet in and she's been getting the ump with me for stretching them. So she bought me a pair, but they only do women's up to size eight. Oh, I've had to squeeze them into an eight, but they do stretch, but it's so comfy, but the women's have got like his nice cuff. You got the boot or have you got the... No, no, it's backless.

Oh, it's backless. So it's like a, it's sort of, and it's got a cuff. It's quite sex, I feel quite, I've always, yeah, I've always been quite jealous of women's clothes. Yeah? What would you dress up? No just the options. I'll just legins in a big t-shirt probably. Just sound so comfy, doesn't it? Anyway, but yeah, that's one new thing I'm into is women's slippers. I think, do you know what? I think you can get away with leggings and a big t-shirt and some

backless slippers. Well, yeah, I just think they make men's slippers too bloke. You just like a little grand-dad soldier. Do a Photoshop or something, draw a picture and send it into us of Rob dressed in his in his hungover women's clothes. Okay Josh we better wrap this up because people want to hear from our guests but on Friday we're gonna be talking about my week which was quite stressful had the kids of four nights in a row. I deal on my own so I'll explain about that and we'll talk about lockdown because we'll

know more than what's happening with it now because it's sort of going back and forwards kids are in school we think thank God but we'll talk about lockdown and my week of having the kids on my own for four nights and we've got lots of emails from you yes if you want to get in touc this is how email us hello at lockdown parenting.coad.uk or tweet us at lockdown parents or Instagram lockdown underscore parenting and you can also send us stuff PO box 76748 London E99 DW. Okay Rob who we got today we have got we have got Carl Donnelly, excellent comedian.

One of the best comics of the circuit, he's also done Mock the Week and a number of other television shows and he is, he's quite interesting, really, he's his first time dad and he's, what, was it three, four months, or five months? Four months, five months when we did thank you for coming on the show. Hey mate, how you doing? Yeah, good. Rob, I should say, before you turned up in the interview, Carl said that he's been too guilty to play golf and I thought, that makes, that puts you in a very difficult position.

Oh, really? You felt too guilty to pay golf? Well not, mean I basically what happened was so we had a baby almost five months ago, first couple of months when you know I actually was relatively, I was playing too regular to have a two month old baby. How often would you play? Well no, I was sort of playing once a week which isn't that often but you know it's a take so long, it's a full day out when you've got a brand new baby. And I was aware that, but my wife was really insistent, and it would be nice, you go and do that. You know, you go see your friends. And then, and basically what's happened in the last six weeks is just out of the blue, my wife's old, one of the old job she used to do, called him and to, and to, and was, and was, and was, and was, and was, and was, and was, and was, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, the, the, the, the, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, to, the, the, to, the, to, the, to, the, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to do, called him, was sort of desperate for her to help out because they had a really busy period and it could all be done from home.

And so she's been working full-time from home the last six weeks. So I've been you know doing the all with a lion's share of the daytime baby care and you know the odd times I can be like look can you just have her in the afternoon just next to you just messing around and I've got the the to the to to the to the to the the to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the to to to to to to to to to to to their their their their. I's their. I's their. their. their. their. their. their their their their their their their their their their their their their their the they. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the teoooesuoesu. I's te. I'll today. I'll today. I'll today. I'll today's toe. I'll they. I'll the just next to you just messing around and I've got something else to do but I couldn't say can I go out for a you know basically a nine hour hour out to him with my friends. Especially because you live in tack you live a bit further into town than me so like even for me it's four hours when you're there about half an hour before you have to leave I played the other day there seven and a half hour so that's so so so so that's so that's so that's so that's so that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that that the th I the th I th I th I th I th I th I th I th I th I th I th I th I th I th I th I th I th I th I th I th I th I th I th I th I th I th I th I th I th I th I th I th I th I th I th I th I th I th I th I th I tho tho tho thooo that's that's that's thou that's thoooooooooooo can can can't that's tho that's tho played the other day as a 45 minute drive I was at the house seven and a half hours that's a 45 minute drive you've a hit a really long way there am I right? Oh yeah golf banter.

Gold banter I can be all right you know I can be fun on the honestly golf banter the old men have at golf courses they think the hilarious it's shocking it shouldn't we really to shine a light light the the the the the the the the the the the the the golf courses they think the hilarious it's shocking. It shouldn't we really shine a light on it it's awful. Yeah I like you know the sort of golf terminology the sort of modern ones are really bad. Somebody like who is it I think it's John Robbins I was playing with and he referred to a shot as a Sally Gunnle and what's that mean he goes a bit of a runner. It's like, oh come on mate. You're 28 years out of date. That's really that's when all these terms. That's one of the newer golf terms as well.

That's one of the new bit of a banter. Brother really broke through after the Barcelona Olympics. So you got a bit of a Linford, hey? Oh, that Colin Jackson, that would have kept jumping up over the bunker. So you've got a five-fold baby, Carl, and you're basically your sort of full-time parent at home while you're a partner's or what? Is it wife? At the minute, yeah, and she is a wife.

And she's, you know, she's working from home because that's why most people are, but she is only basically in the other room but I try and not interrupt as much as I can you know but she's still being fully breastfed so every couple of hours I have to like sort of bring her in and go like can you feed her and then I'll take her away and entertain her for the rest of the afternoon. Do you find it fun to entertain a five-month-old? I've been loving it but in terms of timing of chatting about it, basically yesterday, we got warned by some friends who've got a similar age, you know, we've got NCT friends, I don't know if you've done if you did NCT. Yeah, we didn't really. I've never been in a more underpowered

and quicker dying WhatsApp group in my life. I don't know if you, even if you saw it on, I put it on social media, but I had the thing that I feared the most, which was I sent a message to the wrong group. And it was a message that was meant for three comedian mates and I sent it to my NCT group. What did you say? It was a voice memo where free, I mean a group of three of my closest comedian mates. It's very sort of bansery I suppose but they always they've been winding me up about having new friends in NCT and so I left a voice memos that I sent to my comedian mates

sort of saying no they're not you know they're just yeah there's people I'm friends because we've all got kids you know it's not like and I said there's only one couple that are actually what I was doing, they're actually all the couples were really nice, but I just spent that afternoon with, and we know we see we see them all regularly, they're all lovely, but that afternoon we'd spent with one couple in particular who we sort of, I suppose we've got the most similar lives to and um and my mates had been winding me up about hanging out of all these new parents. So I was trying to be sort of laddy and be like, no, they're not even real friends. And basically I sent that voice memo to the NCT group.

So what did they say on the group? Well I deleted it. Well I deleted it because one of the dads called me having heard it and to the dad. You've sent that to the Ncet group. Oh my God. He saved the day because I think I deleted it and to this day no one else has mentioned it. But I've read them. He's the cool dad. He's the one I get on with the most. I think they may have mentioned it in the new group they formed after that. What I'm saying was, but we got warned by some of the other people in our NC2 group that apparently between four and five months there can be a shift, a developmental shift,

there's a sleep. Yeah, that, and we've sort of sort of got away with it a bit and then the last two days she's been, quite frankly, a nightmare. You edited yourself in. I did, because like she is just, she's so hard to, like, normally I can entertain her quite easily now I've got. What's your Wonderwall? What's your big hit? Well, weirdly, it's getting the guitar out. She loves just sitting out watching the guitar because I suppose she's, I suppose

she can, you know, it's sort of a lot going on. But she can hear music but she can see stuff happening as well. Sometimes I do have to wear a turquoise cowboy hat which I don't know if that's something she's grown to like. So you're now basically a country and western singer is what you're trying to tell us. Once lockdown fully ends, I'm going to be a musical comedian. And yeah she's just, the last few days of none of my tools are working. She gets so bored so quick. I'm talking two minutes of one thing and then she's like right next. Oh God. It's like a middle-aged king. And is she sleeping all right? She is. Well she is but we're doing it a bit weird.

Me and my wife are both sort of hippie-ish. So she's still a hundred percent breastfed. So she I mean she naturally waits up more regularly for feeds and like we, we're co-sleeping so she's in the bed with us still. Okay yeah what's the line up in the bed? She in the middle? Yeah she yeah she no we put her down the bottom across the bottom of our feet. But are you worried about rolling on to her? Well no because we're pretty we've read a lot about, because we're pretty safe. We've read a lot about it when we were when she was due. And one of the theories is co-sleeping is quite good

for the first six months to sort of make them feel comfortable and not get any attachment issues and things. So we just thought we'll try it, but we did it for a few nights early doors to check the safety and realize we're both both th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th th thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to th, th, th, th, th, th, th.......... thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, the thi, thi, thi, theean, thean, the the thean, thean, to toooooooooooooooooooooooooooom. the, few nights early doors to check the safety and realize we're both pretty safe sleep. I think you sleep slightly lighter just because you're aware there. Yeah. Is it nice there? That must be quite kind of bonding, right? That's lovely. Like it's really nice. You know, obviously sometimes you're woken up by a baby that's crying, but sometimes she, you know, she'll just wake up and she, yeah, that's just she, yeah, also you don't have to get out of bed to do something, which I think is, weirdly it ties in with my laziness really well. Because the cot, you suppose, if they are in a cot, it's supposed to be in the bedroom with you for the first six months, anyway, they say, don't they? So like, it's only just, like a different position in it. But so you say, you, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, weirdly, weirdly, it, weirdly, weirdly, it, weirdly, weirdly, weirdly, weirdly, weirdly, weirdly, weirdly, weirdly, it's, weirdly, tie, weirdly, tie, weirdly, tie, tie, tie, tie, tie, tie, tie, it's, it, it, it, it doing, would you say the last five months, there's been a little bit alternative

to what would be sort of more of a, not, not, nor. Let's see this as a companion piece for the Russell Cain podcast. Why what's Russell? Is Russell where he was training? Yeah, really. He got out to go. I think you're not cut from the same cloth I'm going. I'm going. I'm going to say. Russell Kane got his kid to sleep through the night before it was born, right?

It weren't even kicking in the womb. He's just very militant with it and and her talked to the other. Russell's so chilled with everything else, such a laid back so. Yeah. So I'm trying to think what other hippie things we do. So we're no dummies. No dummies. We've been doing. What else have we been doing? There's loads of stuff. I've forgotten all of it.

We've not been using a pram. Oh, it's all been carried. Oh, wow. Really? Yeah. We've got pram. I've to have a of times early doors, but I just much prefer having her in the carrier. Yeah, do you find that you said she's getting bored and stuff but I found either the carrier

or like buggies facing forward when they're a bit older. They love that, they love that because they can just sort of see the world and see what's I just find I don't know I it's more I'd say this one is more for me but it's I just like I find that the the hand freedom of just having a having the baby in his chest you can just do what you want yeah yeah exactly no that's nice because I've got a very low body temperature like or high whatever I'm very like I'm very like a. I never need to wear a coat I I'm to to to to to to to the to wear a to to the to to wear a to the to to the to the to to the to the to the the to to to the to the the to to to the the the to to to to the the the the to to to to to to to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the try. I I I can't try. I can't try. I can't try. I try. I can't try. I try. I can't try. I the the the the the the the to wear a coat but I get very hot very easily yeah and I found the strapped to baby was like me wearing a like I can't wear it I can't wear a woolly jumper because I get too hot so the strap two body heat of a baby was too much for me it does it does get hot I will say we bought a mesh one like the mesh out of things it does give some ventilation so it but it does yeah sometimes in the summer when I was the the the the the the the the th the th th the th the the th the the the th the the th the th the th the the the th the th th the the th th th. th. the the the. the the the. the. I was the. I was to to to to to to to to to th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th. I the the the the the the the the to to to the to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the the the the the some ventilation so that it does yeah sometimes in the

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like it has and I think it's a unfair representation of what's going on. They make it look really stressful you know and obviously they're only cut into it now and again it's just during the stressful bits. They're not really cut into them when they're you know in between contractions and they're feeling all right and I'm having a cup of tea but we got there and when my wife's water broke and my wife I couldn't believe it it was a Saturday morning. It was really early so we didn't think it was the labor. And then she started saying I'm feeling a bit weird. And then over the next hour she was like, I'm having, I think it could be contractions, but it might be them, what are them fake ones, they called? Did you think that because it was a Saturday morning? She had not gone. Did you know what? She was how hippieish we are. He will not go into labour until she taught Sunday brunch, I'm sorry.

I said, you know what, this is how hippie-ish we are. I'm quite almost embarrassed saying this, but when they mentioned about inducing my wife and she refused, that was like three weeks before the due date, my wife was like, I'm not having that, I'm going to make sure that this baby comes before the due date. And the night before, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thee thi thee, thi, thi, thi, thi, the thi, thee, I thee, I was thi, I was thee, I was thee, I was thee, I was thee, I thee, I thee, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thee, I thee, I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I th, I th, I th, I th, I thin, I thin, I'm, I'm thin, I'm thin, I'm to to to to to to to to to told, I'm to told, I'm to to to told, I'm to to to thea, I'm thee, I'mthe night before, this is absolutely true, this is the Friday night in question, it was a full moon. My wife went out and did some bloody weird full moon ritual in the garden where she lit candles and made like, you know, what's it, was it called when you sort of... I don't know if Rob's going to be able to help you out with this. You come when you guys know about Wick and Reed. Last time I did my full moon wizard party I did a cut of fireworks but that's just because I like fireworks. But she went out and did out and did the you know sort of lit some candles with her and all that I didn't really know

what was going on and then basically that was the night before and we went to bed and the baby the baby came along in the morning so there's got there's got to be there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there th th th th th th th th th th th th th there there there there there there that's got that's got that's got that's got that's got that's that's that that that that that that that that that that that that that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's th th th th th th th to to tho to be tho to that tho the tho the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thoooooooo the tho thatthere's got to be something to it. I'd say that sample size is not an task. Because you probably believe the mainstream media you've been. I mean my heart says moon power my head says coincidence. If that happened you know after being pregnant for three months maybe two weeks before the due date. All right. What I'm saying is, she might have just, it might have just been her willing it to happen, you know, body started. Yeah, but they did have a curry and sex after the boop-hi. But who knows? Who knows what it could have been?

But then, yeah, when we got to the hospital, basically, yeah, she said she thought she was having contractions and it went on thured and it got to a point when she was like, I really think it is. And I downloaded an app to time the contractions and the first time I timed them for about two minutes, the app said, you are in labor, go to the hospital. And we went to the hospital and my wife was still like, yeah, they're pretty strong but she was not. Just say in 12 hours you really swung from a moon party to downloading an app to time the contraction. That's a hippie. Well that's the thing. I'll tell you a bit, once we get to the birth, I'll tell you how you're a hippie.

You can be the biggest hippie in the world. The moment things get real, you would do anything, I would have a, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, the thage, thage, thage, thage, thage, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, th just, you would do anything, mate. I would have, I'm a vegan, I would have sacrificed a goat. I'd have said I had to to get that baby out. But yeah, when we got to the hospital, they did a quick check and she was five centimeters dilated, which is, you know, pretty much you're in labor. And then luckily though, they said, oh, we've got the biggest room on the ward. We went into it and it was basically a birthing suite at a pool, it had a lighting system that changed colors. So like had this change in light system. Yeah, it was lovely.

So I set up my, my speaker and I had a playlist that was about two days long, ready to go. And it was all hippie meditation music. And for about six hours, we just sat in there listening to that, and my wife just had contractions, she was really chilled with it, no problems, and it was really nice, it was a really relaxing afternoon. And then finally, basically once her waters broke, it just all went, you know, that's when it goes so crazy that, to be honest,

I don't remember what was on the play-list at that point. And yeah, and then it ended up sort of within an hour, she was, the plan was, you know, no intervention, but she ended up, you know, in the stirrups and I had to sort of work to get it out because the baby sort of wouldn't turn the corner, which I don't know what that means. It sounds more like it's having some emotional problems but yeah He's not drinking but he still goes to the pub. But he has really turned the corner. So yeah that once that happened it was it was quite quick and then the baby was out and then we got a few hours when I could stay but then that because of restrictions she had to stay in and I was I was carted off home and then I also kept her in the next day and I wasn't allowed to visit so that was a bit brutal.

Oh, what did you do? What did you do? I actually did. I played FIFA on the Xbox with my mate online because I needed a distraction really I think they knew just their keep me company. Once again you're only a hippie so far aren't you?? Of course. A hippie with Wi-Fi. Here's a, I tell you a funny one though. They asked in the evening on Saturday, like the baby had been born about an hour before, and they said, do you want to keep the placenta? And we both naturally.

Well, yeah, we both went, yeah. We didn't know what to do with it or anything, but we said yeah, we'll have it. And then they put it in a tub aware for you, which is quite nice. And I brought it home on a Saturday night, I got home about midnight, and I went to put it in the freezer, and the freezer was full, right? So there was no room in the freezer. And in the bottom drawer, I've got this big bag full of vegetable scraps, that I make a tha tha tha tha thage tha thage thage thage thage thage that I thage thage thage thage thagedemea, I make thaged I make thaged I make thaged I make thaged I make thaged I make themememak, I make th out of about once every month and I thought I need well I need to make room for the for the percenta so at quarter past 12 the

night of my daughter's birth I found myself making vegetable stock to make room for a placenta. What what are you going to do with it? Is it still in there? It is still in there? It's actually weirdly today I'm defrosting the freezer so I've got it in a cold box today. Just surrounding because you can get it made into pills, can't you? Which I mean really good to take. You can do pills, you can have it made into jewelry which I will say is the worst looking jewelry I've ever seen. the worst the worst. Some people people people people people people people people people people people people people people. Some they they they they they they they the worst. their their their their their their their their th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. their th. their th. thi. thi. thi. they' th. their their their their their their their their their their their th. I've th. I've to th. I've to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to th. I. the. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to thee. to theee. theeeease. the thease. thease. I the. I the. I don't think it's good for a tree but you know there's weird so we haven't decided but we're doing with it yet maybe just keep it on ice forever and you're a you're vegan I don't know if your wife's a vegan is your wife a vegan as well she is yeah so what are you're gonna raise your child vegan I think well it's a weird one isn't it's like naturally I think we will yeah but also you're eating and stuff yeah. Yeah it'd be weird if we were making a

you know a vegetable doll or lentil doll and suddenly frying her up some chops. Yeah but they they fucking love fish fingers. I really. Chicken dippers like I don't even really eat them but they just for some reason where if they end up eating them. Yeah I suppose the kid it's weird that. I'm vegetarian but my wife is like basically vegetarian by definition if you know what I mean they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they th th th th th th th th th th th th th think I mean think think think think think think think think th. th. Yeah think think we think we think we'll think we'll think we think we'll think we th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I think think think think think think think think think think think think think think think think think think think think think think think think think think thi thi thi thi thi Yeah I suppose it's weird that. I'm vegetarian but my wife is like basically vegetarian by definition if you know what I mean? Just by living with me and I mean I don't know what she eats when I'm not there but like bringing the cow but like but um she loves fish fingers my daughter but I don't know whether she'll you know I think she'll probably just kind of ease into you know eating the same as I think so right I mean we're not gonna we're not we're not strict like we're

strict with ourselves in terms of veganism like in turn by what I mean you know I don't go near any meat or anything but if other people do most of my friends they come round for a barbecue at mine or something I'm always say look if you want to bring some meat and chuck it on the barbecue I'll make a little fuck off. You know I'm pretty chilled about it all about yeah I think if you know when she's off an age where you know imagine she goes to a friend's house and eat some meat product I'm not going to be calling up the parent in you know hysterics. I think if that's a thing in it I think if you're if anyone that's too

shook the kid over anything whether it's drinking or veganism or anything the kid just wants to go against it. It's 100% so yeah I think we'll just let her be you know but when we cook cook it'll always be you know some really bad vegan food. What's your hate? What's weird is Carl because you know you're you are I know giving you technicie about like sort of having the internet and stuff being a hippie but you are like I'd say you sort of very into that alternative stuff and you know being vegan and stuff and all the different things you do but like growing up I think you and I probably have very similar backgrounds in like quite sort of tough working class families in South London and I'd say that your way you live now and the way that your daughter will live

will live will be the complete opposite of how you were brought up. Absolutely. My parents couldn't you know, they cannot understand my lifestyle. You know when I went vegan, my mom still still doesn't know what it is really. She keeps asking you always ask me if tuna is vegan. That's like a regular question. But it also just a way of, you know, my parents were old-fashioned working class Irish people and like, you know, they're way of parents and everything, everything they did, and not in a horrible way, but I'm really conscious to try and do it in a much more modern way.

It's like my mother, you know, my mother try and give, she's really bad with my brother actually, like she's always trying to give my brother parenting advice and right, you know, sort of me and my brother sort of look at each other and like I don't think she's in a position. Like we know what her parenting skills were like because we were there. We saw them first hand and have learned from their mistakes. So what kind of parenting were you, did you grow up with Carl? Well they were just quite, you know, it's not their own fault. My dad I don't think was a particularly, what's the word, natural dad.

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as old women do, where they just commentate on everything that happens. And they're all in a baby carrier, yeah? Yeah? All in the front of the chest. No car, no pram. At one point I overheard them that we went past one of them big wind turbines and I just heard my mom go Jesus Ginny look at the size of that right. And then we went past another one about three minutes later and she went, I know I said it before but she said it before but My dad got in the car when I picked them up and I was listening to meditation music. It was just like, woo, woo, and my dad sat down and just asked,

he goes, are you listening to hoovering? Like, that's what I've got to deal with my whole life. Do you, because you're very kind of relaxed as a person. Yes. And parenting is arguably the least relaxing pursuit, you know, at times. Do you find when you're woken up at 2 a.m. or when you're struggling to do something, is it difficult to remain Zen for one of a better word? Not, so far, I've been pretty good. I genuinely would say yesterday when she was having, she had probably the most neurotic day she's had since she was born. You know, I mean, and what I mean by that is when the first few weeks they're literally done on what they're doing, do they? They're just a ball of noise and they're just so new to the world. But so I think then you can, it doesn't really matter if they're crying because you totally understand. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. their, their, their, their, their, their, thi. thi. their, their, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I their, I their, I their, I their, I their, I I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, their, their, their, what I mean, what I mean, what I mean, what I mean, what I mean, what I mean, what I mean, what I mean, what I mean, what I mean, what I mean, what I mean, what I mean, their, their, their, their, to them it must be terrifying to come out into the world. But, you know, since she's become much more aware and fun and laughing and giggly,

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because I'm diverting all my energy to my brain, my body, I'm the clumsiest I've ever been, I knock everything over, I'm hears me throughout the day every half an hour knock something over and go oh shit like in the other room shit we can hear just around the house throughout the day so yeah I definitely I think I still get annoyed about that level yeah clumsiness but in terms of the emotional side as yeah I've somehow managed to maintain this sort of Zen and when are you planned on moving the baby out of the bedroom like into their own room if you the th you th you the th you th you th you th you th you th you th you th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th the th th the th th th th th th th th th th th tho tho the the tho the the the the the the their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th th th th th th th th th the the the the the the the the the thea thea the the the the the the the the the the the their the the managed to maintain this sort of Zen. And when are you planning on moving the baby out of the bedroom, like into their own room? If you've got a plan for that or are you just going to see how it goes?

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the most mandibles. I don't know why this needs crushed up bones in it, but it works. I'm gonna wipe it potty train from birth. Have you heard about that? Catherine Ryan thinks this as well you can potty train early doors. I think it was her that might I think my wife might have heard Catherine mention it. This is the least Carl Donnelly thing I've ever heard in my life. 42 minutes in the interview is the interview. But apparently you can put them on a potty t one week apparently. No, but by potty try, I don't mean that you've got to make them go on a potty.

What it is, is basically the theory goes, babies don't want to piss and shit themselves. No one wants to, right? And it's actually we trained them could do, Rob, if you're up for it. Yeah, we all need content. I think that's got comic relief written all over it. David Williams does his swim and Rob, where it's an apy for two weeks? But yeah, the theory is that basically they only do that because we let them and train them to do it. So actually the natural thing is if you, you know, if you start learning their cues when they're going to do it and then you just hold them over the toilet or hold them over

a potty and then just they naturally progress to just do it naturally. But we tried it a couple of try to to to to to to it, it's difficult to pick up on the I need a piss queues of a one week old. Really? I think the pissed cue, I think is much easier than when they're going to shit themselves. I've noticed like my daughter has a sort of thousand yard stare when she's about to do a piss. Right. If a proper, you know, she looks like she's going through some shit. Like, if you look off into a distance like she's remembering an old friend who's past. Are you still getting those horrendous like yellow shit's that go all up their back? But you just think how can this much come out of a kid? Yeah. And it goes through like their jumper? You're like, oh my God. Because weirdly, she, because she's 100% breastfed.

We've not given her, she's had nothing else. And so that means she doesn't shit that often currently. Oh, okay. She did all the time and then when they get normally exclusively breastfed babies when they get to about four months, they start stretching out. The first. And it's totally natural. Where did you go? Glass-tempering? But that meant that it was a ticking time bomb. We knew that when it happens it's going to be a catastrophe. And it was just, I mean it was mayhem when it happened.

When it happened. Just everywhere. It was I mean every item. I think those the clothes ended up going in the bin because we tried washing them twice and it just wouldn't come out it was that thick and the texture changed and it was ours bad. Yeah we were using reusable nappies but she shit so much you have to throw clothes away every time she has a bonfire afterwards. Rob. Yes do you want to ask your favorite question? Yeah, it's my favorite question, Carl, basically. And this is your opportunity now. If there's a way that your wife's parenting, that it annoys you, and you want to say something, but you've not found the right time without kicking off between you. There's something that she

does that grates on you that you'd like to get off your chestnut so if you did hear it back back back could have a conversation. So for instance, Matthew Crosby was quite angry that Charlie put those those bibs, the kind of coat bib things, that she hung them on the tap in the sink. But he'd not, I'd not got the guts to tell her. Let me think. Well, we'd weirdly, mine is, I'm not annoyed about it. Let's just start with that. That's always always always always always always always always always always always always always always always always always always. the the to start. the to start. to the to the to the to to the to the to the to to the to to the to to to to to to to to to to to the the the the to to to to to to be. to beaqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqq. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. their. their. their. their. the the. the the. the the. the the. the the. the the. the the. the the. the the. the the. the the. the the. th. th. th. th. th.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a. I. I. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm not I'm not annoyed about it let's just start with that. That's always a great caveat to put in when you are just to cover yourself. Imagine it was really big now it's like actually I think the way she talks to me at not the way I would argue if it didn't annoy you you you wouldn't have one as quick but that's just what I think that's fine you know. I'm not annoyed about it but it is really. Is there any grating on my confidence? No, it's almost, I'd say there's nothing, but if I had to try and find something. Oh yeah, we're forcing you now, we're really, you know. It would probably be, um, what it's, I'll tell you what it is, it's the, it's the muslins left around the house. Basically, I'm, I'm, I'm, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I'll, I, I, I, I'll, the, the, the, the, the, the, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd the, I'd the, it's, the, the, the, the, the, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, I'd, I'd there, it's the muslins left around the house. Basically, I'm, I'm, I'm,

this is really one of the biggest transitional things. I'm very neat. I like a, I like, a very tidy, no, because I like, you know, I just, I don't like things being left around. I mean, an empty cup, yeah, it doesn't, it's not like an annoy, I don't get annoyed about it, I don't.. I. I don't or in the dutch washer. So I've you know I've had to get used to the fact there's a lot of stuff around just because you went and that's what happens when the baby comes on but just I just constantly find muslins everywhere just everywhere just everywhere just everywhere just every just everywhere just every that's every that's just everywhere. that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's they. I'm that's that's that's their. that's that's their. their. that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the they. I's the they. I's they. I's they. I's they. I's they. I's they. I's they. I's they. I's they. I's they. I's they, you know, up at all hours of the night, she needs them just around everywhere, but for me I just, I'm like, you know, you could have, you could have just put it back in the bedroom. Yeah, in the must enjoy all the dirty what you mean, either or all. It's only going to get worse because I thought for the first six months, I thought we're just very tidy parents. Yes. We're just very tidy but no there's not toys everywhere but of course there wasn't toys everywhere because

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a conversation. She's nice to talk to someone sometimes. We've become those comics that when we started out we used to look at the older bloc. Oh look at that. Oh look at that. Little did we get through with some broke that mountain checked shirts back. All the all do that amazing thing where they'd criticize the person for being boring. It's like, hang on. Oh yeah. The responsibility to make it funny does lie with you mate. Yeah. Of course he's boring. That's why he's paid 18 quits to come watch you. And he wants a refund. Oh cheers. Ca. It's been absolutely pleasure. Thank you very very. the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. th. All th. All th. All th. All th. All th. All th. All th. All th. All th. All th. All th. All th. All th. All th. All th. All. All. All. All. All. All. All. All. All. All. All. All. All. All. All. All. All. All. All. All. All. All. All. All. All. All. All. All. All. All. All. All. All. All. All. All. All. All. All. All. All. All, th. All, to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. tho. th. th. th. All, that's been brilliant. It's been absolutely, absolute pleasure. Thank you very much, Carl.

And the two people we've had on that said that they read a lot of books in the buildup were you and Russell Kane. So I'd love to see the Venn diagram of those libraries. Yeah, to be honest, I reckon I read some of the ones I thought I disagree with. Like there's a very famous one called Why French Children Don't Throw Food, which is excellent, but it's a way of, it talks about the French way of parents in, which is very much, you get them on to your schedule as quick as possible rather than the other way around. He read that book going, recommend doing the reading for any perspective. What would be your three books to read?

My favorite ones, I read a few of them actually. There's a guy called Oliver James, who's a child psychologist. He wrote a famous one called They Fuck You Up, which is about your parents influence you. And then he wrote a follow up called how not to fuck them up, which is about your parents influence you. He wrote a follow-up called how not to fuck them up, which is about children. And like how you should. And he's a big purveyor of just, you know, you've got to do, they're a baby, you're an adult, don't ever act like they have the same sort of cognitive ability as you. You've always got to accept that they're going to cry, they're going to do all this and it. and it. and it. and it. and it. And it. And it. And it's th. And it's th. And it's th. And it's th. And it's their their their their their their their, to their, their, their, to, their, their, thi. And, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, to, their, to, to, to, to, their, their, their, their, their, their, to, to, to, to, to, to, to f. And, to, their, too, their, their, their, their, their, their, their going to cry, they're going to do all this and it's more about just just try and give them everything they want for at least the first three years, you know, just so they don't

develop quite serious detachment issues and things like that. So some of the stuff he says is quite worrying. Things you can do when a child's two thi. So I found their their their their their their their their to to to their to to to their to their their their to thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. try. try. try. try. try. Just, try. try. try. try. try. try. try. try. try. try. try. try. try. try. try. try's two that they'll really pick up on and might develop into some weird fetish when they're older, you know what I mean? So I found that the most interesting, and that friend, why French kids don't throw food I just found really fascinating because you forget that different countries even as close as France have such a different view of parent in than we do. So yeah, them three would be like my favourite ones. Thanks Carl, Carl. Thanks, th. th. th. th. th. th. th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th th the, them, thr- thr- them, them, them, them, them, them. So, them. So, them. So, them. So, them. So, them. So, them. So, them. So, them, th. So, th. So, th. So, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, them, them, them, Thanks Carl, brilliant. Cheers, mate. Cheers, guys. Carl Donnelly there, the working man's hippie. The working man's hippie. I think you've got the range of hippie from Carl on one end to you on the other to me, kind of halfway between the two of you. Well, I mean, I meditate, but I'd never listen to the soundtrack in the car. Listening to the soundtrack in the car is, and I don't, didn't want to say this to his face,

fucking unhinged. And also, you know that's going to cause an argument with your dad when he gets in. Yeah, yeah, exactly. If you're thinking, well, we're a bit different from my dad. I'll just pop on the meditation music before Put on some Chaz and Dave, meet him halfway. Or Coldplay. No one's angry with a cold play. They're just accepting it.

No one's angry with the cold play except Travis. Yeah. That was great though. It's so different to, like Russell Kane. That's what I love about doing this. Just a completely different ways people parent and stuff. Totally. And what's fascinating. I think what's going to be fascinating to be fascinating to be fascinating to be fascinating to be fascinating to be fascinating to be fascinating to be fascinating to be fascinating to be fascinating to be fascinating to be fascinating to be fascinating to be fascinating to be fascinating to be fascinatingthink what's going to be fascinating with doing this is I really already excited about checking in with Carl in six months or a year's time to see how it's

changed. Yeah, I think it's that sort of honeymoon period of the kids. When they start moving the kids, that's when it's deadly. When they start running around and doing stuff. Let's be honest, not all excited about revisiting. What's happened since then? But yeah, Ellis, that still talks me when he goes, so I just accepted this is my life now. Just looking at the window trying to get a bit of sun. Thank you to Carl. We will see you on Friday. Yep, see on Friday.