Parenting Hell with Rob Beckett and Josh Widdicombe - S01 EP57: Konnie Huq

Episode Date: November 10, 2020

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Hello, I'm Josh Riddickham. And I'm Robb. Welcome to Lockdown Parenting Hell. The show in which Rob and I discuss what it's like to be a parent during lockdown, which I would say can be a little tricky. So in an effort to make some kind of sense of the current situation. And to make me feel better about my increasingly terrible parenting skills. Each episode will be chatting to a famous parent about how well they're coping. Or hopefully not. And we will be hearing from you the listener with your tales of lockdown parenting woe. Because let's be honest, none of us know what we're doing.

Hello and welcome to lockdown parent in hell with... Can you say Rob Beckett? Well Beckett. Can you say Josh Widdickham? Pretty strong! Loved it. One of my faves that. Well, it's about to go up and arch, Rob. Oh, no, what?

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I think we had a bit of Brio knocking about. It was like the original one and now, I think we've got the knockoff now. I think we've got the, uh, the one that'm all right. Yeah, I'm good actually. Yeah, no, I'm fine. Right, I'm absolutely vibing. Are you? I don't, I think we're the opposite of in sync, can't we, Rob? I- This double act works because we're completely not on the same page.

Like the opposite of Antonek. We never know what the other is going to that's a good thing because I would neither want anyone to listen to a podcast where we were both at a low. Oh God, Jeff. Or worse, one where we're both at a high. No one wants to hear that. I'll tell you why I'm excited first and then you can tell me why you're not. But basically I don't really follow politics and all that true. true. Trump's news was until I saw like people happy that Joe Bider won the presidency and just watching people be happy is so thrilling. It really is. It really is. It really is. What is that? What's it? What are these guys doing? They're like some singing and jumping and happy? What's what is that? Is that a thing that can be achieved? Well, what is that? Do you know what? Not with parenthood? No, but

vaccine! There might be a vaccine, Josh! Rob! Genuinely, it's the best week of news of all-times. It feels like, it's great. It feels like this week has been my reward for four years. I mean, look, let's face it, right? People are all going, oh, you know, Bill Gates, and oh, Bill Gates, and oh, yeah, I'd they! I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, for an Arsenal game, get pissed at a Liam Gallagher gig, right, and do my tour. I would let him do whatever he wants to me. I don't care what he puts in me. You've genuinely named three of the roughest crowds in the UK, haven't you? That's why I feel at home. Obviously for me I'd like to go to to to to go to go the natural, to go to go to go to go to go to go the natural, to go to go to go to go to go to go the to go to go to be, to to be, to be, to to be, to to be, to to be a toldld him, I'm, to told him, told him, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, told him, told him, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm told him, I'm, I'm told him, I'm, I'm told him, I'm told him, I'm the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the to the to to to the to to to the too, told.a, to me, to to to to to to to to told me, to told him.a, I'm the toldm to go to the Natural History Museum, taking the tape modern and then do one of my tour shows as well.

Josh, why are you all right? What's up? So we're trying to get to do a bit more independent play, Rob. I'm glad you brought this up because at the weekend you text me and I've felt sad for you. You seem very stressed any football football. I genuinely. The the the the last the the thia thia thia thia thia thia thia thia thia thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thoososome. thoosomea. tho. to thathea. thoes. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to be to be to be. to be to be. to be. to be. to be. too. too. too. too. too. too. too. too. to. to. tou. te. te. tou. te. tou. te. tou. too. to. to. to. too. to football. I genuinely, the last time I watched a football match, Rob, Jose Marino was the manager of Chelsea. But we've made a lot of progress with independent play, actually in the life.

Now, this won't surprise you, Rob, but I was excellent as a child at independent play. Oh, I can imagine that you'd get a little thing set up and you're away. You're loving it. Exactly. And not just in the situation where I was at home, even if there was other children about, obviously, I was the king of independent play. So are you blaming your wife for the reason why your child can't do independent play? No, I'm not. I'm partly, I'm partly like she gets it from, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, th. I, I, th. I, th. I, th. I'm, th. th. th. that, that, that, that, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th, th, th, th, th, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, blaming myself for, for trying to, for always talking to my child. So that she does, because I'm worried that if she's on her own, she's a bit of a loner.

Oh, is it? Do you think that's what it is? I think it might be. We've decided to pull back from constantly, we read a thing and it was like, we read, we read, we read, we read, we read, we read, we read, we read, we read, we read, we read, we read, we read, we read, we read, we read, thing and it was like, you know, let them play and I realized I was constantly checking in on her. Constantly? Oh right, you would smothering her with sort of options. I was smothering her with, it was only... Some of you go five guys. I don't know what topics I want. The analogy I was going to use is when you do your A-levels. We're very different people, Rob. Yeah, I did have many options. Well I can't do them cool good to know all right that's an option isn't it not doing them. So she we yeah I think we were smothering her with options so we were like is she bad at independent play and Magali who runs the nursery who's a like a friend of ours who runs the nursery. She was like no she's not about independent play at

at nursery. So then you're going who are the bad apples here? Put your hands up. It's ourselves. Yeah and it's great you can take it up the chin like that. It's taking responsibility Josh. Exactly. We've put her up for adoption she's going to have a better life. No um so but also with the independent play thing, we changed the light in a, like the lamp in a bedroom to one that she could turn on. This morning, 45 minutes we could hear her independent playing, mate. She turned the light on an independent plate. She turned the light on, independent played, went in, you could see that she'd been putting

her teys under a bed, like putting them to bed under a little bad thing she'd got you like this is this is so kind she must have woke up and gone I've been asleep all night and they've not got a wink let me tuck them in exactly so I was in quite a bad place because you texted me yeah you what you would say you sounded because it's four o'clock on like a Sunday and I was loud on the sofa and I had two children independent playing even though they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they were they they were they they they were they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they th I they the th th th th th th they were they were they were they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they the their their their their their their thus thus thus thou thus thou the the thou the the theeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee tho tho they were they were I had two children independent playing even though when they had options they were smuggled with options but was still independent playing so I think is independent playing easier when there's two of them because they're co-dependent playing I suppose yeah yeah not to get to like you know middle class parent about it eventually I don't this conversation has ever been

had ever of But yeah, basically, I do think Winvith 2, it's a nightmare until they can both play of each other, then it's amazing because you don't have to have people around to play and there's always an option for them. There's so many options. Yeah, like, because they're together, they can go off and play, but I will just put the football the football the football the football the football the football the football... the football on and they moan and I'll say, go away, I'm watching the football. So I don't know if that's what kind of parenting angle that is. Yeah, whereas I'll say go away, I'm watching the football. I want to see if Roy Hodgson's going to work out as England manager. I'm just getting back into this, yeah? I think Gaz, I think, the ball's light? But I mean niche, old football rules can we get through it?

Rob, I mean not to, I reckon we've lost 60% to 70% of our listenership, but the other 30 are absolutely fucking loving it. That's what I say. If you don't do it too much, you could really like deliver to that 30% and then hopefully the 60, 70 is still with us. Exactly. Yeah, so I've had had a a that a that a that a that a that a that a that a that that that that that's that's that's that's that's that's had had had had a that's that's had a that's had a th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the the the the the the the the the th. th. the th. th. th. th. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. the. the. th. the. 70s still are still with us. Exactly. Yeah, so I've had a bit, that's been the issue this week, has been independent play. I would love, because I'd love to know if other people have had this problem. I'd also, can I just add this addendum that I really don't think, I'm not like, I've solved it in 48 hours. I think this is going to be a long road. So if anyone's got any tips on independent play, just send emails with the subject header, smother them with options and we'll

delve deeper in this into the weeks to come. Well yeah, exactly, I think it's good. You need to get watching football again, it makes you happy. It does make me happy. If it's good for you it's good for you, it's good for you, it's good for the family for the family for the family for the family for the family for the family for the family for the family, it, it, it, it's good for th, it's good for th, it's good for you, it's good for th, it's good for th, it's good for th, it's good for th, it's good for th, it's good for the family, it's good for th, it's good, it's good, it's good, it's good, it's good, it's good for th. It's good for, it's good for, it's good for, it's good for the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th, the the th. thi, thi, thi, the, the, thea, thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea, thea, moment? A football low moment? A football low moment? Go on. Yeah, so this is how I watched the football this weekend. I went on the exercise bike in the shed. And rather than do one of the pre-programmed spin classes, I decided to do a scenic ride through Costa Rica. So that I could listen to Liverpool versus Man City on my phone while I rode through Costa Rica. Oh my God! Yeah, this this this this this this this this this this th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. So, thi thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi thi thi tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho th. So I th th th th th th th th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. th. th. th. th. I th. I th. I th. So I th. So I th. So I th. So I th. So I th. So I th. So I thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho Man City on my phone while I rode through Costa Rica. Oh my God, you didn't even have it like on your app on the park. I didn't even see it. Radio?

Just the radio, like I was like, like I was an evacuee. Oh my, so he was basically in cyber Costa Rica, but really in your garage in the snail garden. Still a lot of snails are they gone there? All gone. Perfect. They're independent playing in heaven now mate. Shrivelled little bitches, gone. Oh that is pathetic Josh really, that is. But did you enjoy that? Did I enjoy it? Until the man's the equalizer and then I felt really stressed about it so I turned off the football commentary so I was just riding through Costa Rica at that point. You don't support Liverpool though do you? I would like them to win the Premier League games I really like

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And she's been going. She's been going. She's loves going. So eventually I sort of just gave her to like the teachers and they took her and then like I could hear her through the building and going, there, I was like, huh, uh, uh, uh, and then I walked back to the car and I'd been about 20 minutes. And nobody was like a two minute drop off. And they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I. I was, th. I was, thi. I was, thi. I was, thi. I was, tho. I was, thi. I was, tho. I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I could, I could, I could, I could, I could, I could, I could, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I'm. I'm, I'm, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, I'm, like, like, like, I'm, like, like, I'm, like, I'm, I'm, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like? I went, she didn't want to go in at you. And then we had an argument because she had to go up me for being late. And then I went, she would have to go in at you. It was really stressful because she was crying and getting all upset. And then, because I wasn't, I was working the first week,

she started, they went to be, well, she was like, she's playing. But it was just like, you know, when you're just sort of floating along, like, do you know what, I've got this parenting thing sorted. It's, yeah, she goes preschool, she loves it. Uh, she just lost the plot. And it was horrific. I felt, you feel like, it's like, upset. to get it. to their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. th. their. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thr. thr. thr. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. the. the. the. the. thooooooooooooo. th. th even though you know they're going to be happy, and they love it there, but just when you're going, help me, take me home. I was like, oh my god, it was awful. Your impression is so accurate that it's making me feel anxious. Oh God, do you know what the best thing in the world is? Hearing a kid cry that sounds a bit like your kid but it's not your kid in like a shop. Yeah, and you you you you you you you you you you, and you, th. And you, th. And you, th. And you, thi, thi, thi, thi, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, it's th. Oh, it's th. Oh, it's th. Oh, it's th. Oh, it's th. Oh, it's th. Oh, it's, it's, it's. Oh, it's, it's, it's, it's th. Oh, it's th. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, th. Oh, th. Oh, thi. Oh, tho. Oh, tho. Oh, tho. Oh, thoomomorrow. Oh, tho. Oh, thoomorrow. Oh, tho. Oh, tho. Oh, not mine. No, that is the best thing in the world. That was awful. And in positive news, it's Nativity at Primary School. Ooh. Okay, and do you want to know what part Malcolm's got?

Go on. Main star, Mary? No, literally, a star. The main star? No, literally, literally, I'm not being a star. No, I the main, it it, it, it, literally, it, literally, it, literally, it, literally, literally, it, literally, it, literally, it, the, literally, the, the, literally, the, the, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, the, the, the the, the, the, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the part, the, the, the, the the the, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the that, the the the the the, you're going to be the main star. You're going to be the main star. But I don't really know what the parts are anymore. I didn't know there was like some other stars. Well, do you know what, Rob? Do you know bloody what with the bloody PC brigade?

I'm surprised they're doing a Well, there's a pretty big deal. Wait, it's a star their head into woods, didn't it? Is she going to be? She's got three lines. She's going to be suspended? I don't know. I think you could hoist them up in the air, can you? They can't hoist them up. Like, a number of stars, I know there's a shepherd. On the family WhatsApp group, there is a camel number three. So I do think potentially the star is not a bad role. I think that's good. I think three lines, that is, that's a strong amount of lines in nativity. Because you've got to remember when nativity is probably a maximum of 20 lines overall.

And Jesus. Jesus isn't even speaking at that point. Exactly. Do you know what I mean? She's got no life. She's a big, I hate to say it, but she's a bigger deal than Jesus. She's a bigger deal than Jesus. In this production, she's a bigger deal than Jesus. In this production, but I'd say in lasting impact on the world, he does win. the show to discuss what parenting him was like. On Friday's episode, would you like me to tell you what happened

when I did play school nativity? Oh, yes, please. And I would also like a request of other children in the first nativity gone wrong stories. Yes, nativity gone wrong. Let us know. this is how you can get in touch. Email us, hello at lockdownparentin.co.uk, or tweet us at lockdown parents, or Instagram, lockdown, underscore parenting. And you can also send us stuff, PO Box 76748, London E99DW.

This week, Rob, we have children's author Blue Peter presenter all round I'm gonna say good parent I think that's fair to say it's Connie Huck Connie Huck hello hello hello how hoek how hoek how hoek how hoek how hoek how hofe how how are you I'm good well I say I'm very well but I'm a bit like you know let's set the scene it's the night after the election result the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the they. theater. theater. theater. theater. theater. they. they. they. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thea.ea.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e. the the the the I'm a bit like you know let's set the scene it's the night after the election results started coming in isn't it? Yes. I've been up all night. How many hours sleep have you had? I did that thing of going okay I'll go to sleep now and then sort of lying there and then coming back to the real world and think have I I slept or not? I don't think I have. And then you look at it and you think, well, it is an hour later,

so maybe I got five minutes. I don't know. I have no idea how much I slept. But it's not a lot. You sound a bit like no sleep, Connie. You feel a bit, you've got that weird adrenaline thing that you have when you've been up all night and you're just sort of, yeah, on who knows what juice. So what's the kid set up at home, Connie then?

So like, you know, because you got children. Well, how many kids you got? I've got two children, they're both boys with boundless energy. I've got lots of gray hair and they're six and eight years old. So young but not like not too young so that because I've got a two-year-old and a four-year-old and the thought of staying up all night to watch the election but potentially they wake up at 5 a.m. I just I went straight to sleep I mean to be honest. Even if I did have kids I wouldn't even, I wasn't intending to it, it just happened. And I couldn't sleep and it's just like, it was not of my own volition, it was passive staying up, not active staying up.

See, I actively stayed up. So this is to paint a picture of how I'm feeling. And it's the last night before lockdown and I celebrated by getting drunk on my own. Indoors! Are you doing this? Yes, so I was drinking, I drink eight beers until 3 a.m. And then my daughter woke up at 10 to 6. Oh my lord. You sound alright, what have you done? Carried on drinking? Yes, I've had eight more beers.

And I'm flying. So, Connie, how is it this morning though, was it the school run that had had had had had had had had had had that had that had that had that had that had that had that had that had that had to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be though? Was there a school run that had to be done on no sleep? Oh yeah, school run had to be done on no sleep. And our school have got, because of the whole lockdown thing, there's this really confusing PE days thing, where on Tuesdays and Fridays, some weeks, you have to send them in in their PE kit. And then on other days, it's like like, like, like, like, like, So lockdown quite quickly descended into homeschooling didn't happen after half-term. You know, we're getting, we were doing lockdown quite seriously in this house. So like all our, we hardly actually went out at all. Even on our government, a lot of walks and stuff like that.

We will just like, we'll let someone else use the air, the communal air, and we will go without these walks. And so we had everything sort of delivered to us, and I would say that I'm quite, I don't know, I would say I'm quite a homebody and actually, if I'm honest, what I'm saying is I'm a social recluse, we both are and so it's kind of pretty much life as normal apart from the fact that the kids were around which was the worst part of it. I had that realization myself when when they brought the lockdown back or whatever it's called now the realization of how little it would actually affect my life because I haven't got a social life and because I do all my working from home as it is. I was just like, actually, this is me now.

I went into lockdown in 2017 when I had a child. That's when I went into lockdown. Yeah, to be personally though, I did, whenever I had a Saturday off, I'd go to the box and get absolutely shit-faced and I really miss that. That was my that was my outlet that I haven't got back yet but I did it it was nice just doing nothing. Have you all been doing that virtual socializing like zoom quizzes and all of that malarkey. I didn't bother I did. I loved it. I did. I loved it. I thr. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. tho. tho's tho. th was th was th. It was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. the. the. tho. tho. tho. the. tho. tho. the. thoo. the. the. thooo. the. the. the. the. the. I absolutely love it. I actually think I prefer my friends when I can just turn them off and I'm still on the tofu. I agree. I'm so with you on that. And it's great. You don't need an excuse to not go to

things because you can't go to things. So that's good. And then yeah, you're right. You can just sort of see people by turning them on and off. You've nailed. to. to. to. to. I. to. I. I. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. their. I. to. their. their. I. to to their. to their. to to to to to be so. to be so. I. I. I. I'm so. I'm so. I'm so. I'm so. I'm so. I'm so. I. I'm so. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I'm so. I'm so. I'm so. I'm so. I'm so. I'm so. And, t. And, t. And, t. And, t. And, t. And, t. And, t. And, t. So, t. So, t. So, t. So, the. I'm so You've nailed it. Connie, you were saying that you were like a social recluse and your husband as well. So like, are your kids similar? Are they like, like being indoors or are they going, are they going, mom dad, let's go out, let's go and see people, let's go to the park? Are they, you know, are they similar to? And I was like, what? You haven't been anywhere for months. How can you be this way? So yeah, the oldest one is sort of, he's like his dad. He's sort of loves doing,

he's like does, loves tinkering about on electronic gadgets and we're like, I don't know, change the aspect ratio of the TV. That's a classic kids game changing the aspect ratio ratio ratio ratio task as aspect aspect aspect aspect aspect aspect aspect aspect aspect aspect aspect aspect aspect aspect aspect aspect aspect aspect aspect aspect aspect the aspect the aspect the aspect the aspect the aspect the aspect the aspect the aspect the aspect the aspect the aspect the aspect the TV and do weird stuff like that. That's a classic kids game changing the aspect ratio of the TV. 69 all day long. Whereas this the other one, the younger one, it's sort of like your sort of archetypal little boy if that's not stereotyping but he loves you know getting out there and he's very sociable and he's sort of yeah standard, classic boy. Yeah, classic boy. Classic boy.

Standard issue. So did you not bother with homeschooling at all then? We started it before, and then after half term, we were like, I don't know, they just got too feral. I think we should have sort of kept up some form of discipline during half term. And, you know, there were days when we're just being in our pajamas. Well, you know, the kids are, yeah, they're both homebodies like us, I guess. Ever since I had kids, it's rare to find me without an elasticated waistband, because I always want to feel like I'm in my pajamas all day,

buttonfly or whatever, no thanks. But our kids have now got into the habit. Sometimes when we just get in, they'll just get in, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, their, to, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, to be. to be. to be, to be. to be to be, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their. And, their. And, toe. And, toe. And, toe. And, toe. And, their, their their, their, their, their, just get in, they'll just get in their pajamas. That's not good, is it? But... It's cozy, though. I found myself considering buying some traxuit trousers for the first time yesterday. Do it. You haven't got any tracksuits? No, I tend this might be me now. You haven't got a tracksoo?

I haven't got a tracksoo. Not one tracksoo. It's got tracks and envy instead. I've got a huge tracksuit envy, yeah. Just go for it. Yeah, I mean, I think this is it. I think I'm going jeans around the house? That's not comfort! Oh that's madness! You sound like something on the gold rush! That's not something! Jeans around the house with like flies and the button and it restricts your stomach and you

do you ever undo your top button like when you've eaten a bit much? Josh is in the shape of his life. I just wear tracksies. That helps. I've no I've never done the, I've. I've. I've. I've. I've. I've. I've. I've. I've. I've. I've. I've. I've. I've. I've. I've. I've. I've. I've. I've. I've. I've. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the. Do. Do. Do. Do. Do. Do. Do. Do. Do. Do. Do. Do. Do. Do. Do. Do. Do. Do. Do. Do. Do. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. t. t. t. t. tod. tod. tod. tod. today. te. te. te. the. the. the. the. the. the. never done the, that's the thing my dad used to do would be undo the top button of the trousers. But, like, that sounds like a very different. I mean, I've said, that leaves, say that for a special episode being you and to do, but I've never, I've never eaten enough that I've undone the top button because I thought that really, because I'm not a cartoon. Look, let's just stop. You don't own any tracksuits and you've never undone your top button. Oh my God.

Gosh, you're not living in a parallel universe with Dickham. What's going on? He's like a robot, Connie, isn't he? Like a little android. This is a weird thing to to to to just describe what you're wearing at the moment on it? Oh Josh. Traxy bottoms, of course. Yeah, not only that, they're the free ones that came off some swanky flight where I was flying. Oh really? Yeah, that class. Yeah, they're free taxi. They're actually pajamas aren't they? Well, they're not free. Someone spent about five grand on the flight at some point.

Yeah, but not me. So, Collie, I would consider your husband as quite as, I would never consider your husband's Charlie Brooker as a, as a, as a tracks suit. If someone said, name a man who would never wear a tracksuit. He would be very high on my list. No, he does. Yeah, he does track suits. But like, when we say tracksuit, we're just talking the bottoms. We're not talking about matching ensembler. No, he's running top. You're not the royal tenant mound. Yeah, we're not talking one, one, eight. One-one eight. How was you, how was you, the kids, with, with, with, with, with, with, with, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, we, the, we, we, we, we, we, we, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're just, we're the, we're just talking, we're just talking, we're just talking, we're just, we're just, we're just, we're the, we're the, we're the, we're the, we're the, we're the, we're the, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're. We. We. We. We. We. We're, we're the the the the the the the the the the the talk. We're just, we're just, we're just, talk. We're just talking, we're just, talk. talk. ta, t always want to be a mum? Oh yeah, I always wanted to be a mom. I always thought I'd have three. I was like two is just a nuclear family. It's so boring. Three is a dynasty. Three is like a team. And then I had two and I was like, no way. Two's a company, three's a crowd. So I but I did always want kids he didn't want kids but he hadn't met the right person and then all that changed. All right so you did you convince him to then or was

it just you got you both come to that agreement when he realized you were the right person Conno. I just said I just said I'm not really interested unless I'm going to have kids and so you know and he obviously saw the gene pool that I possess going to have kids and said, you know, and he obviously saw the gene pool that I possess and thought it wouldn't be right. I don't know, yeah, he just sort of changed his mind. That's, because you obviously started, I first became aware of you on Blue Peter and I can't imagine anything worse when I was in my 20s than hosting a TV show I had to deal with kids. Did you love that? Do you know what? Maybe maybe it's because I'm immature or whatever. I don't know. But like I'm really, I think I'm quite socially awkward around adults and I think I always think,

oh I don't fit in or they're not interested in what I have to say or I don't know. Whereas I don't know, I don't know, kids are sort of open-minded and they're just, I thin, I thin, I thin, I thin, I thin, I th thin, I thin, I thin, I thin, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't, I don't, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I th th th th th th th th th th th thin, I thin, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't thin, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know like it is they're blunt and they're I don't know I quite I quite like it but not all kids you know and also when you're filming you're not really filming with kids you're just doing it for the kids but yeah and like even now you know I'm doing kids books I you know what it is right I really believe that kids that kids are the only way to fix our broken society gang. Because as adults, we're just beyond help. Like, I always say, you're shaping in your primary years. By your secondary school, you're done. By your 20s, you're so fixed that by your 30s you need therapy to undo it all. And like, as adults, we all know that, like that weird thing that Josh does, or that strange mannerism that Rob has, you know, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, thi, thi, thi, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thi, thi, they, they, thi, thi, thi, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, they, they, they, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thi, thin, thiiiiiiiiii, thiiii, thi, thi, thi, thi, they, that funny, is it like way he is about, I don't know, sell by dates or whatever it is, we've all got this weird stuff and it all stems from the primary years.

Like your teachers, your parenting, your environment, that thing you stumbled upon on TV after hours or whatever it is. We're all just a product of our upbringing. Yeah, yeah, totally. I've been thinking a lot about that kind of thing and I completely agree that you're so much shaped by your upbringing. Yeah, but it's the primary years, not even so easy. Yeah. And those values are already set. They're setting now with your kids now. Guys do the right thing man because really, you know, it's so easy to sort of screw it all up. I shouldn't say that because, you know, we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we're we're we're we're we're we're we're we're that we're all we're all we're all that we're all that we're all that we're all th. We're all th. We're all that we're all that that that that that that you know, you're all all that you're all that you're all that you're all that you're all that you're all that you're all that you're all that you're all that you're all that you're all that you're all that you're all that you're all that you're all that you are all that you are all that you are all that you are all that you are all that you are all that you are all th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. that's that's that's that's all all all all sort of, screw it all up, I shouldn't say that, because, you know, we're all trying our hardest here as parents. But that's why I do think, like, you know, I tell Charlie, like, oh, put that in recycling, or do that, blah, blah, blah.

And it's hard to unlearn a lifetime of what's ingrained in you. Whereas I don't know, kids, it will be second nature to them to put that in recycling, just the way it's second nature to us to close a cupboard door if we open it in the kitchen whatever. So we, I really think, kids should be knowing about sort of everything, like what your taxes do, left and right, like the bigger picture, climate change, politics, everything, because really, you know, as any PR company will tell you, it's to to to to to to to to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get, to get, to get, to get, to get, to get, to get, to to their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, c.e. their, close, close, close, close you know, as any PR company will tell you, it's flipping hard to get someone to change washing powder or toothpaste brand if they've been so bought up and set on it from their sort of parenting. It's hard to change adults because we're totally. I totally agree. And I think about that, and I think about what values I'm installing, not installing. That's a very very very hard hard hard hard hard hard hard hard hard hard hard hard hard hard, that's very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very, I, that's a very, I, that's a very hard, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I'm hard harding harding hard hard, I'm harding harding harding harding harding harding harding harding harding, to flipping harding harding harding harding harding, I's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's hard, I, I, I, I's hard hard hard hard hard hard hard hard hard, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I'm that's a that's a that's a thiing harding hard, that's flipping hard, that's flipping harding harding harding harding hard, that's flipping harding harding hard, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I and I and I think about that and I think about like what values I'm installing in my daughter instilling not installing that's a very that's a very a telling word isn't it? Give it away the little robot man.

So but it does it make you paranoid about like it makes me go oh shit I really need to like do this right because what if I I totally what if the fact I was hung over this morning when I took her to nursery? In 20 years time, that is going to bite her and she's going to have an issue with that. Do you know what I mean? It's funny though, the stuff they pick up, I have to say. So I was with my kids and another kid their conversation. And one of them was like, I want Joe Biden to win. And then the other one was, yeah, we hate Donald Trump. And then the first one was like, no, we don't hate Donald Trump. We don't like Donald Trump. We don't like to the tru-and then the first one was like, that was Boris Johnson. And then my kid was like, shame on me. I don't watch the news. Shame on me. I should the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, we hate th. Yeah, we hate th. Yeah, we hate th. Yeah, we hate th. Yeah, we th. Yeah, we th. Yeah, we th. Yeah, we th. Yeah, we th. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. th. Yeah. th. th. Yeah. Yeah. th. Yeah. th. th. Yeah, th. th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. like no that was Boris Johnson and then my kid was like shame on me I don't watch the news shame on me I should know

this song which I thought was a really weird thing to me how weird is that and then she said I didn't hear it from the news I heard it from blah blah blah's granddaddy or something like that but they're so you know it's kind of the weird thing is we hate Trump and we hate trtrtrtrtrtrtrtrtrtrtrtrtrtrtrtr the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the tr the tr th the th th th the th th th th th th th th th th th th th. the. th. I'm th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th the th the th the th th th th the th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thin of, the weird thing is we hate Trump and we hate Boris Johnson, but they're such caricatures that kids all seem aware of them all. When I was a kid, I remember, this was such a weird thing, but like, um, so when I was a kid, my parents would watch, um, have I got news for you? And I'd be like eight or whatever, so I wouldn't, I'd be there when it was on, but I didn't understand who the people were. And it was around the time when they'd make lots of jokes about Robert Maxwell. Right, yeah, yeah. And I knew that he was a baddie. I didn't know why. I didn't understand.

And so I used to like have a pathological fear of Robert Maxwell, the owner of the Daily Mirror as an eight-year-old, which is such a bizarre thing. And I used to have nightmares about Robert Maxwell, which is such a weird thing for a kid to have. But you know what, that could have sort of helped shape you in some way, shape or form. I haven't bought the Daily Mirror since, I won't buy it. I told you. But you know what? One of the books trying to do the same things that I'm sort of saying in that it's got all the right values and it's kind of like fearless fairy tales, which is one that is

perfect for Christmas gifting. Oh, sorry, I'm not plugging it. It's like all the traditional fairy tales, but they're all updated for the 21st century. So it's like sleeping brainy and she wants to be chantered, but her dad, the king wants her to be a princess. And then there's like moldy socks and the three bears, and moldy socks has an iPad addiction, so he's got no personal hygiene. And, you know, there's the gingerbread kid whose people are being ethnicly teens, they're being persecuted thated thated so he flees across the sea in a boat to come to the UK where he's bullied and that happens until the school realized he's actually the most interesting kid because he has stories of cats in boots and giants up being sauce and there's also Trumple Stillskin which is also a standalone book

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I'm literally like, oh, let them scrabble in the dirt. It will make them tougher. Does it cause arguments though, that kind of one, one parent being quite neurotic and the other. Yeah, sometimes, like if he's feeling stressed or a bit like overcautious about something, I think it annoys me, sorry it annoys him when I don't share that and I'm like oh it'll be fine whatever, then it starts riling him because he wants me to sort of, because he must think oh well she's an untrustworthy parent then if this is how she behaves. I don't know. So it does, I think it can rile him. But I also think I would, I probably go the other way. I'm more laid back. Because I thought both being neurotic, it would just

be awful. It's like, I always say, like, we're both quite, you know, we're not naturally really tidy people where everything has to, I'm one of these possessions, I like books on shells, you know, none of this minimalim minimal minimal minimal minimal minimal minimal minimal minimal minimal minimal minimal minimal minimal minimal minimal minimal minimal minimal minimal minimal minimal minimal minimal minimal minimal minimal minimal minimal minimal minimal minimal minimal minimal minimal, minimal like books on shelves, you know, none of this minimalism stuff. And actually, I now have by default had to become the very tidy person, because when you have kids, you can't both be a bit messy. Yeah, of course. Otherwise it's chaos. So it's so annoying. Like literally, he can sit and watch TV with toys on the floor, whereas I can't relax. I have to, they have to be out of my eyeline and away. Otherwise, otherwise otherwise otherwise otherwise otherwise otherwise, otherwise, otherwise, the Netflix, the Netflix, the nenets, thi-o, thi-o, thi-o, thi-s, thi-s, thi-s, thi-so-soe, thi-soo, thi-soo, tho, tho, tho, thi, thi, tho, tho, tho, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I, th. I, th. I thi-a, I thi-a, I thi, I to-n, I to-n. to-n. to-n. to-a. to-a. to-a. to-a. to-a. to-I to-I to-I to-I thi. thi. thi on the floor, whereas I can't relax. I have to, they have to be out of my eye line and away, otherwise I can't do the Netflix. Totally agree. Yeah.

Totally agree. I'm just coni ha'i, definitely. I'm like, the thought of not ti'lid. It's horrible, yeah, scrub it to bed like that's making me edgy. Yeah, edgy man. It's like something is soiled. It's like tarned. It's horrible. Yeah, scrub it away. Now, and so by devil's advocate, I'm probably way more laid back than I would be. But I am quite laid back anyway, and I'm way more tidy now than I would be. So yeah, you have to yin and yang yang it I guess. Are you a creative parent because because and I asked this because you must have like done a lot of builds when

you're on Blue Peter do you ever pull them out are you like you must have got loads of tips from Blue Peter in in your 20s that you can now execute in your 30s. I'm like the world's best hacker like so I'm totally anti-consumerism, so I buy nothing. That's when me and Charlie are Ying and Yang as well. I don't have a flipping Amazon account, I don't have an Uber account delivering nothing. So literally I'm men and mate do an upcycle, but I know so many hacks of like, I don't know, making a cushion cover out of a free tote bag from a book festival or whatever. I don't know, just stuff. And actually, you know, my youngest kid is so flipping creative.

He'll make, you know, he'll take an Amazon box and cut a hole out of it and then, like, I remember putting this thing on Twitter actually, of him lying on the floor with an Amazon box on his head where he'd cut a hole out of it and put the iPad to. So he could lie down th. and it was like this I thought you didn't have an Amazon account already. No, that's what I was just saying, Harley. Harley's got an Amazon habit. Oh right. Oh, okay. Yeah, that's where we're yin and yang and I think, you know, I've curtailed it to some extent but you know you can't, like I say you can not change to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to some some to some to to some to some to some to some to some to some to some to some to some to some some to some some some some some some some to some some to some some to some some some some to some some to some some some some some some to some some some to some to some some some to some to some to some to some to some to some to some to some to some to some to some to some to some to some to some to some to some to some to some to to some to some to some to some to some to some extent. to some extent. to some extent. to some extent. to some extent. to some extent. to some extent it to some extent it they're grown-ups and adults. But we try. Yeah, if you try too much, it can end in divorce, but yeah, we do try. I always say that I'm really analog and Charlie's really digital. And I'd say my oldest son is digital and my youngest is analog.

Do they do any after school clubs and stuff, any sports teams or you know, different things like that? Or they're just in the school, you're not doing any weekend clubs of them yet. Me and Charlie are both the least sporty people you will ever find. And I do remember one day when Kobe, that's our oldest, he was like, I don't know, about two or something. And we were like, oh, he's really quiet. What's he doing there in the other room? And he was sat watching a football match on TV and me and Charlie both sort of looked at each other in horror because none of us are into football either. And like we just couldn't be, we wouldn't be asked to go to like, I don't know, it's terrible but be like a hockey mum or a football taking them to practice and all that,

because really they should be into all these clubs and stuff. So we've, they've, they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they're, they're, they're, they're be into all these clubs and stuff. So we've kind of, they did swimming until lockdown and they do Kung Fu, but that's about it. No one was expecting that in the second example. They just do Kung Fu. And Latin. No, I'll tell you why that is, because, so like I said, they're both like, you know, they don't even want to go to the park or anything and like they're in their pajamas and stuff. And so, you know, we read that it's martial arts is a good thing for discipline and like, honestly, we're the most, the least disciplined household you can think of, so we're like, okay, well it is, that the Kung Fu teacher comes to us and gives them a letter.

I don't think you've ever left the house, Connie. You know what, this is the thing right? So I really like people, I'm a real people person. I do like people, but I'm also really lazy, yeah. So I've always been like, all my friends are people, so you know, I'd say that people that are sort the the the the the the the the thirty thirty thirty thirty thirty thirty that that that that that that that that that that that that thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi, thi, thi, thi thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii. I thi. I thi. say that people that are sort of 30s, 20s down, they're not really good at chatting on the phone as much as us old folk who used to grow up with landlines. Like all my good friends I can pick up the phone to and chat to, like I'm chatting to you two doing this thing. This is no different from me sort of chatting to a friend on the phone. So weirdlyly, you, you, you, you, you, you, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, that, that, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, they're not thi, they're not that, that, they're not that, they're not that, they're not that, that, that, thi, thi, thi, ththe phone. So weirdly, you know, because I, you know, you, I know people like to see each other in the flesh, but often it's like, you travel, I don't know, if you're all in London and you live in different parts of London,

you have to schlep to that bit of London, it takes an hour to get there. We've all got kids. We're all on the clock for the whole time, t whatever and then you comment on that person's coat or whatever and it's not it's not pure unadulterated conversation you sort of have the catch up but you don't really get deep down you know beyond the service phones are amazing you can't even see each other like a zoom you know so you have to to track you can't even sort of be silent and be, you know, scrolling on an iPad or whatever. And I think I wanted where the lockdown would bring the renaissance of the phone call, because you know, what was social media and people just using phones as things to text and

all that, I do think like people are getting, you know, they're forgetting sort of good people people interaction but so although yes you're right I'm lazy and we've been in lockdown wise I would say that when like my all my good friends I know everything about them do you know I mean it's not just like what their status is saying on social I'm not even on Facebook or anything I don't know I am such an old-fashioned person I guess I like I like a phone call. I'm a big fan of a long phone call. Oh, I'm so glad to hear that. I think I'm an old person.

I think, I've really, I've put my tracksuit on, I like a long phone call. Connie, you've really, you've really allowed me to turn the page into the next chapter of my life today. like I've visited like a grandparent at an old people's home and this is a conversation the way you're about you want to get them them tracksuit trousers you know you eat too much I don't like driving either when you drive when you're older it's too hard did it I don't like people I like phones no but you know what that was one thing that attracted me to Charlie actually because the to the to to the to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the the the their their their to their their their to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their. their their their their. I the the the their their toldld. I told. I to to to to to to to good at phone conversation is quite a rare thing and Charlie's really good at having a good conversation. Women can just

matter to anyone and everyone and be like, you know, always it's always the mums that end up being friends that you know stuff and the dad's sort of an awkward and sort of making small talk. If you look in men's magazines often often it's like the subjects like football, politics, sport, and obviously I'm stereotyping, whereas women it's often like, why does a hundred things, why that happens and why do you feel that, and why and how? We're always like, me and my friend Emily, we're always saying that we've opened too many tabs on our desktop because we start having a conversation and we go off on a million tangents and there's all these things left hanging in the air that we need to sort to sort to sort to sort to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to their.. And. And, their. So, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their...... And, their, their, their, their, their..... And, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, there's all these things left hanging in the air that we need to sort of finish off. But yeah so although I am a social recluse by some tokens I'm also quite sociable by other tokens

if you see what you're you're happily living in a kind of virtual existence where you live in your house and you live your life through your phone. I am. Well what about when they get to to to to to start to start to start to start to start to start to start to start to start to start to start to start to start to start to start to start to start to start to start to start to start to start to start to start to start to start to start to start to start to start to to to to start to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the to the the the to the the the the the to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the to to the to the to the the the the the the the the to to the the to to to to tho. tho. tho. tho. thooo. the thooo. the toe. the the the the the the the toe. the the life through your phone. I am. Well what about when they get older the kids and they're going to want to start going to parties and they don't just want to stay in with their parents? Don't get me wrong. I do go to, they do go to birthday parties and stuff. They're just not in lots of clubs, apart from coming to their tomorrow. But when I was growing was was growing was growing was growing was growing was growing was growing thoing thoing thoing thoing thoing thi was growing thi was growing thi thi thi thi thi thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thoes growing thoes growing to thi. thi. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to their to their their thi. the. the the. the theats. the the theats. the the theats. theats. the. to to to to to to to to to to didn't go to any flipping clubs because I hate all these clubs. So in my world it's not that abnormal that my kids only go to two clubs. Whereas, you know, you know, in the one. They did also go to something else. So that's, it's three, before

long time it was three. It was swimming, this cooking club, nutritional ninjas. Okay, what was it? You're keeping back on the mental stuff. This is amazing. I thought about that because it's been so long before lockdown. Before lockdown was like three centuries ago. So actually, that's three clubs in total. It's only five school days. I think I'm doing quite well. I think I've clawed day back on the club front.

Talk me three nutritional ninjas. Nutritional ninjas, they learn about food and then they do a simple, you know, recipe and then they come home with like a tray of, I don't know, flap jacks. Do they dress as nine? No, they don't. It's just, they just like deliteration like Sorry, I excited you. Oh, I just imagine all these little ninjas cooking. Well, they cook, well, they do high kicks and yeah, yeah. Watertops, no, afraid not. Oh, that's a shame. I'm disappointed now. It's well up for, I'd go there myself. Never mind said my kids. I'm well up for a like an Alan Partridge television show idea, doesn't it? Nutritional ninjas, the best ninjas from around the world come together and cook. I think of all the people we've spoken to in six months, you sound like you're the

most equipped for lockdown. Yeah, I could believe that. Was there a moment in lockdown though where it was just too much and you thought this is got to stop when the kids were just going mad. Oh my gosh but yeah that happens in our now of lockdown. Like yeah I mean we all have moments where we think this is a bit much because the kids are going mad. Rob you always like to ask the same question. Yes we always give the opportunity to our guests where if there's something that your partner does parenting wise that really annoys you but you've not brought it up in case it kicks off into a big argument. Here's your opportunity so in case they listen back you know they could pick up on it. Is there something that Charlie does that just drives you mad that you wanting to stop? Yeah I mean I'm not

going to bring out all the cliche things like you know feeding them copious amounts of sugar but I will say that he the Philip of the th is th is the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their their their. I I the the the the the the the the the the the the the the they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their theya.a.a. Ia. Ia. Ia. I can can't tooea. I can't the the the they. I can't the the the the the the the the, you know, the Philip of Perry book. Yes. And then he's got this voice, like what I call his Philip of Perry voice. Because obviously this is so, one of the sort of tips is the style is, is that, you know, when they're kicking off about something, you discuss it with them by saying now I know you're angry about such and such and then you ask them these questions. But he does it th th th th he he he he he he he he th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th that that that that that that that that that that. that. tho tho tho- tho- tho-a. tho-a. tho. the the the the the th. the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. thii. tha. tha. tha. tha and then you ask them these questions. But he does it in this voice that I think is just, I hate talking to kids in any other voice other than my own like the patronizer voice, and he'll sort of go, now I know you're really angry about that, but let's look at what, and it drives me bonkers, I call it it his voice, I call it the Philip Perry voice, I want the voice, the the voice, the the the thapapapapapapapapapapapapapapapapapapapapap an that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I, I'm, I'm, I, I, I, I'm, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I that, I that, I that, I'm, I that, I that, I that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that's, that, that, that, that's, that, that, I that, I that, I. I want that voice gone. What would you prefer?

A different just his voice or could he do an accent? No, I like his voice. All right, okay, fair enough. As a jeweledie. I can do Liverpoolian accent. Well, I think the way to end, the way to end would be for you to plug your book in a Liverpoolian accent, Connie. Okay, um, all right. Fierles Fairy Tales is like the the th th or th or tho th or tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thian voice thian voice thian voice thi thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, their thi, their th. I thi th. I th. I th. I thi th. I thi thi thi th. I thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi tho voice, tho voice, thooooooi thoooi thoi thooi thooi thoi thoi thoi thoi tho voice book in a Liverpoolian accent, Connie. Okay, all right. It feels fairy tales is like out now and it's really good so just go and buy it like. Oh lovely stuff. I thought that was very good actually. Oh that was really authentic. I thought you was going to go a bit more caricature. Yes of watching Bruce. Can you do them? Can you do an accent? Can you both do? I can't do any, I can't do any accents and it makes me edgy to try and do accents. Because I'm so bad. And I, and I also, I know in my heart that it would make my stand-up probably 25% better if I could do accents. But I can't do, like, even the thought that the thi. Leverettie. thi. thi. thi. thi. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to thi. to thi. thi. to thi. thi. thi. thi. thee, thee, thee, thee, thee, to to thee, the the to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. the. the. thea. thea. thea. thea. try, try, the. theaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa'a'a'a' a thea' a to comprehend doing that Liverpool accent makes me like... That's because you've got to go for it Josh, you've just got to try yourself into it.

And if a Liverpool, Greatest City in the world, Liverpool, Stevie Gerard. Liverpool, so how's that? You've got to take the plunge and believe in yourself like. You've got to have the confidence. Yeah, the problem is it's when you start off, you, it's diving off the edge, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. All right, give me a phrase.

Give me a phrase. What phrase should I do? Stevie Gerard, the greatest player in Liverpool ever had. Stevie Gerad, the greatest player, Liverpool ever had. Who I'm not bad. Who that's a good. I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I'm, I, I'm, I'm, I, I, I'm, I, I'm, I'm, I'm, I, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is a, is a the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the too, is, is, is the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the H on heads as well. Stevie Gerrard, the greatest player Liverpool ever had. You can work on that. You've got something to work through. It's good. It's so mental though, because I've never realized you've never done an accent before. And it is insane here. I think you could get a whole routine about this is how it sounds when you do it. And this is the best if you went, I can't th. th. th. th. th. to to to to to get to th. th. th. th. to th. th. th. th. th. th. thi thi thi thi thi thin thin, thin' thin' the thin' thin' thin' the the thi. thi. You're the thi. You're the thi. You're thi. You're to work to work to work to work to work to work to work to work to work to work to work to work to work to work to work to work to work. to work th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. the. the. the. theat theat theat the the theateat the the theate. the the theateate. theate. th best if you went I can't do it but this is the best I've got would you reckon it just did all the different

oh it makes me edgy I'm like I'm doing it that clappy thing I do I don't if you can hear my hands clapping because I'm edgy oh brilliant well go on by Connie's book it's available in all good book storey Trump will still still to do jordy oh my god I I'm I'm I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I th I th I th I th I th I th I th I th I th I th I th I th I th I th I'm still I'm still I'm still I'm still I'm still I th I th I th I th I'm still I'm still I'm still th I th I that I that I'm that I'm that I'm that I'm that I'm that I'm that I'm that I that I that I that I that I that I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I tr I I I I I I I I tr I tr I tr I tr I tr I tr I tr I tr I tr I tr I tr tr tr tr I'm tr tr tr tr tr tr t. t. try try try try try try try try try try try try try try try try try try try that's that's try I that's your confidence is building that. I don't do Judy. Do Jordy? Do Jordy? Oh my God, I can't even comprehend how it sounds. Why are you, man?

Say Kawasaki. Say Kawasaki. That's what lots of people practice. Here we go. Why am I, man. Fearless, fairy tales? No, your liver paddling is better. I was stooped to the liver paddy. That was in Chinese.

No, right. Holly, it's been an absolute pleasure to speak to you. Coney, thank you so much. Cheers, cheers, cheers. That was, oh my god, my cat jumped when I said that. That was... Oh, me it. The cat jumped. The cat genuinely just jumped off the sofa when I said that was. That was Connie Huck.

Absolutely brilliant. Thank you very much to Connie. Her book is out now. Rob, we haven't really got much more time. I mean, Connie's got a lot of energy. I don't know if she's like, I've never... I've met her a few times, than't, t a bit of a manic election buzz as well but or a lot of coffee but she was just like so full of beans. that's coming from me. I'm you know, I'm a full of beans merchant. I'm up to have the two things that have really have really now got to happen is I've got to incorporate accents more in my day-to-day

life. Oh my God. And also, and I don't want to get listeners too excited. I don't want to. But in coming episodes I will update you on whether I buy some tracks suit trousers. I can't believe you've got no tracksuits, thin' thin' thin' thin' thin' thin' thin' thin' thin' thin' thin' thin' thin' thin' thin' the thin' thin' their thin' thin' thin' thin' thin' thin' thin' their their thaeaseaseaseaseaseaseaseaseasea' tho' their their their to their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their thae thae thae thaeaseaseaseasease thaeaseaseaseasease tri-s' tri-s' tria' tr-s. tr-sonsonsonsonsonsonsonsonsonsonsonsonsonsonsonsonsonsonsonsonsonsonsonsonsonsons. I' trie tria It's been an absolute pleasure. Someone's end of a tracksuit that's sake.