Parenting Hell with Rob Beckett and Josh Widdicombe - S02 EP15: Gabby Logan

Episode Date: March 12, 2021

ROB BECKETT & JOSH WIDDICOMBE'S 'LOCKDOWN PARENTING HELL' S02 EP15: Gabby Logan Joining us in the studio this episode to discuss the highs and lows of parenting (and life) during the lockdown and beyond is the brilliant presenter, Gabby Logan. Enjoy. Rate and Review. Thanks. xxx If you want to get in touch with the show here's how:EMAIL: [e-mail]: @lockdownparent INSTAGRAM: @lockdown_parentingA 'Keep It Light Media' Production Sales, advertising, and general enquiries: [e-mail] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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and to make me feel better about my increasingly terrible parenting skills. Each episode will be chatting to a famous parent about how well they're coping. Or hopefully not. And we will be hearing from you the listener with your tales of lockdown parenting woe. Because let's be honest, none of us know what we're doing. Hello and you are listening to lockdown parenting hell with. One second Rob. Sorry Josh, I'm too eager for you. I'm a bit calmer than I was on Tuesday today. That's good. Calm down a bit.

A bit more Zen. Bit more Zen. Just sometimes I just feel so alive, Josh. And there's not enough time or enough words to express that. So I scream into a pillow. That's good. That's the main thing that you've got got that you you that you that you got that's got that's got that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's the main that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that. that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the main the main the main the main the main the main the main the main the main the main the main tha. theananananananananan. that's thananan an outlet. Yeah. Ready? Yeah! Can you say Rob Beckett? What's Beckett? And can you say Josh Widdickham? Josh Witton.

There you go. Strong delivery there. That is a two and a half year old, Flory Knight. Flory is a nice name. Same thing. Vagely resembles your names. I thought it was quite good. We're living in Portugal and away from family. Your podcast keep us going and laughing our hads off. We love you guys, we hope Flory can introduce one of your podcasts. thoroughy night turned out with a shooter. thoroughly night turned out of a shooter.

How are you, Rob? Yeah, good. We're sort of getting into our rhythm a bit. We've schooled the house is slowly getting cleaner and tidier. The big piles of admin are getting sorted out. We're slowly getting our life back, Josh. How's it, how's it going in Cassadale Widdocome? Good, good, fine. Uh, do you know what? I think we should just get into the lockdown parent in mail bag. But it's actually emails and there's no bag. Do you want some World Cup emails?

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My eat, it was the best, Eve, oh my god, I loved it. Sorry, they've had a baby. In the first minute of the penalties Englander, Columbia. While I missed the penalties, my wife had insisted on watching the game during the labor. Oh, it's take your mind off it, I suppose. Well, exactly. Unfortunately, our stream was slower than the person down the hall in maternity ward. So we knew Harry Kane was about to score. Oh, that's good and bad, that I remember we used to watch in like, in the World Cups where the back windows are open and back doors are open. And if someone's watching it on like analog and someone's watching it on the sky, analog always got it first. Well and we I watched England v. Argentina in the 2002 World Cup in our student bar. One of the TVs was fast than the other one so we were

behind the other half of the bar. It takes away all the anticipation. What did she say? How did it affect her birth? Oh this is from the the dad it doesn't. They said about the slowest dream he said but then the reason he's emailed is I then had a whole month of paternity leave I watch every game while feeding changing and lulling our newborn sleep. That's what I'm saying Josh that you're gonna watch so much and you can just you just learn to learn to take shifts when the games are on? Well yes I agree. Can I suggest something have you got an iPad? Yeah I've got an iPad. Here's what you're gonna do you want to get a bug a a a a to learn a to learn a to learn a to to learn a to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the to to the the the the the the the the the the the their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I'm. I'm. I'm. the. t.e.e.e.e.e. t.e.e. t.e. the.e. the.e. the. the. the. the. the got an iPad. Right, here's what you're going to do. You want to get a buggy that's got a flat bit so you can put the iPad on the buggy. And then you can sink it up to your phone and use that as a hot spot.

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oh this is gonna go down badly with Jess Apple and you can't even remember that you beat her husband's team oh well if she's called Jess Appleton then the manager's Michael Appleton isn't yes so who does he manage we beat Lincoln four three he doing fine, Lincoln are doing very well, they're second in the league. Well, he doesn't like losing though because she said Sunday was a tough down the conversation front. Luckily we have a TV in five-month fold to fill the silence. Oh my word. So that really hit home to a listener. Now this, Josh, I'm going to send this to you. It's a the the the the thak. thak. thol. th. I. I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I'm th. th. thin, I'm thin, I'm th. th. th. th. th. th. tho, I'm thi, that, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th, th, th, th, th, th, th. Well, th. th. Well, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. Lo. th. Loe. Loe. Loo, thin, th. th. thi. thi. tho. the. thi. tho. the. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. that's for sale. So, hi Robin Josh, loving the podcast. Listening from Dublin, usually when I get out for a run to escape my husband, a six-year-old son. It's my son's birthday in April, so I've been browsing the Smith's website for a present for him,

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Have you been to Thailand, Rob, with you? Yeah. It's so up, mate. It's so up, mate. too up for polo shirts. flip-flop I just find them they're an I used to love a flip-frop now I'm a slider guy you're a slider guy I wear sliders on holiday I wouldn't wear sliders out and about but I used to wear flip-flops and espro drills out and about a lot we spoke about my dog shit esproial experience didn't we yeah we did already worn them since that but what I've learned is when you have to have a sturdy bit of footwear because you don't they I they I they I their You know what I mean? If you when you're young with no kids you can just go to the pub with flip-flop so I haven't got care in the world. But when there's a kid involved, there's all sort, they tread on them, you roll over your foot with the wheel of the push chair. You've got to go over hard, hard. Hi. Hard, hard, hardy footy, huh. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. to. to. to. to. to. to go. to. to. to go. to. to. to. to go. to go. to go. to. to go. to go. to go. to go. to go. to to to go. to go. to go. When. When. When. When. When. When. When, to to to to to to to to to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the toda. the the the too. the tooo. too. to to to to the our almost two-year-old. She tends to wake around 6, 615, so not too bad, but not ideal for a weekend,

mom and dad lying. Ever since she was a baby, we've used a Bluetooth speaker to play white noise into her room, and a few weeks ago she got massively into the gruffelow. I decided to try playing like a charm. Now she will happily sit in her cop for another half an hour, 45 minutes listening to a story while we reconcile ourselves to getting up. Not sure how it would work with kids who are not in a cot anymore but wanted to pass on anyone little early rises. It is, this is from Rachel, it's a great idea because when they start to get a bit annoyed to go, oh, the gruffelowlo and just the gruffello and just the gruffelo and the gruffelo and the gruffel and th, and th – and th – and thu, thu, thu, thu, thian, thian, thian, thian, thian, thian, thian, thian, to to to to thian, thian, to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to th, we we we we we we th, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're thage, we're thage, we're the, we're the, their, their, their, their, the the thee, the the thee, thee, their, their, thee, we're thee, oh, the gruffalo and just listen to an audio book and that's that's sort of educational, isn't it? Yeah, that is really, you know,

we've got one of those things that plays the audio books, but when we got it, we played it and then she go to sleep and that got her into a way waking up in the gruffalo. No it's kind of what I think it's called Yolo it's good it's really good because it does the you know the old sun and the moon thing as well it's got that. Oh that one now we've got a thing called a Tony is it called a Tony's tonie I don't know. Tony's that's what they're they they they they they they they that's what's what's what's what's what's what's what's what's what's what's what's what's what's what's what they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're called they're they're called they're they're they're called they're called they're called they're called they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they they're they're they's they's they they they're they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they're they're they're they're they're they're the the th th is the th th th th th th th th tho. the tho. tho. tho. the tho. tho-I's tho-I's tho-I's tho, whether they're like a pepper gruffel, pepper pig, whatever. And as you put it on, it plays an episode of the gruffelow, plays an episode, so you can get like a lad in, lion king,

all sorts of different stories and characters. And you can also get ones where you can control them as well then so you could give them a little figure in the morning but I think the key there is they're still in a cot it's such a game change of the cot keep them in the cot for as long as possible well you say that Ellis James's sleep problems his child the today the today the the the the the the the their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their child child child child child child is their their child child child child child child child child child child child child child child child child child child child child their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their the the ttry is try is try. ttry. ttry. ttry. try. try. try. try. try. try. tttry ttttttoday ttthe t bed. Really? Yeah, so you remember when we spoke to him and it was all going badly. I mean badly is an understatement. They moved him to the bed straight onto the 730 wake-ups. I think really it's just a game of luck. I think that's the thing you can send yourself mad with science, but it's only

a game of luck in it, but you can try. It makes yourself feel better that you've got a plan. Anyone that's got a surefire tip on a child, it's not surefire. Well, we're going to find out with your new child and the no-stroke technique to get him to sleep. Oh, can't wait to bring back the no-stroke? Didn't work the first time? Can it work the second time? Josh, I've their th. the podcast listeners have got the same question. Has Rose sent the two-year-old Christmas presents to her cousins? No, she hasn't sent the two-year-old Christmas presents at all. For people that aren't aware of what we're doing, Josh, and they're new to it, Rose has presents for her cousins. She hasn't sent from two years ago? Is that right? Yes, and you basically put the their their their their their their their their their th............ We th. It th. It, is that right? Two years, Christmas 2018. Yes, and you've basically put the threat out that as every week goes by, if she hasn't sent them,

we will open one of the presents. So we opened David's tiny karaoke microphone last week. Have you had presents from them at Christmas? Yeah, hell yeah. We've still been receiving their presents. Oh my God, this is even worse! thi Oh, this is this is this is this is this is even this is even th! This is even th! sent any since 2018 and now we're opening them. Yeah. Poor David. This is David's mom, Lindsay. Lindsay. So this is Rose's auntie? Rose's auntie. Do you know what Rob? It's a solid gift. Oh what is it what's Lindsay got? It's only a reusable coffee cup. Aren't all coffee cups reusable? No, like a like a one that you take to the coffee shop with the lead. All right, I've thought you meant like a mug. I've been just lunching

crockery in the bin. I'm like Jay-Z mate. My mug's a box fresh. I've got 99 mugs and reusing one I'm giving up. I panicked. You're fine. We knew where we're going. We understood the gears. Believe that Michael to leave my panic joke. Yeah, so it's a reusable. Oh, is it Bluetooth? Is it heated or is it just a classic? No, it's a classic. It's Sol is the is the brand. It's a nice brand. It's a glass reusable coffee cup. Oh, glass is dangerous. Glass is dangerous. It's going to crack in your bag and it that's never never. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. the the the the th. th. th. th. to. to. to. to. th. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. It's, to. It's, to. It's, to. It's, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh, is. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. to. to. to. to. the. the. the. the the the the the the the the the the the to. the the the to. the the the to. the the to. the the to. to. the to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. and that's never going to get through the postal system to Nottingham. But you're right, Rob. It did never get through the post system to Nottingham. That's not bad present actually.

No. That's not too bad is it. So you've got the, I think we should play a new game see what goes first. What goes first? Oh, we could have a sweepstake on it. And we could set up a live stream. That's what we should do. Josh, we should put them at the front of your house, right, and then set up through your window by the front door, an iPad live streaming on Instagram,

and then leave it running for like all day. That would be fun. Am I an influencer? That'd be fun. I think we should do that with them all at the end. All right, I'll put them in a pile. Yeah, lovely. Okay, well. I've got no idea where the microphone is, but I'll find it. Are you tempted to use any of the stuff like the microphonethen the parents. Oh right, okay, so there's a lot of Nottingham crew.

A lot of Nottingham crew. I'm not gonna lie, Rob, this is gonna get us through to the reopening of the pubs content. Oh, perfect! I've got a good email here, Josh, we kids mispronouncing things reminded me of one of my son's tennis lessons when he was five. His tennis coach was called Jemima and on one occasion when I dropped him off I heard kids from the previous lesson say goodbye. I know he died laughing when I heard not one little voice but two in succession as they were twin girls pipe up and say to the coach, bye bye vagina. And also also also also a the the the the the the the the the the th again the th again th again th again again th again again again again again again again again again again again again again again again again again again again again again again again again again again again again again again again again again again again again again again again again again again again again again again again again again again again again again again again again again again again again again again. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. I. I. I th. I th. I the. I the. I the. the. I. I the. I the. the. te. te. te. I te. I te. I bye vagina instead of Jemima.

And also around age 3, 4, my son could not pronounce treat and after dinner would always ask for his tits. My son just turned 18 in lockdown so hanging there guys they do eventually grow up. Love the podcast been I sat alone through lockdowns who generally kept me laughing. Thank you much love, Bex. Wow, thank you, Bags. As mean, as soon as you said Jemima, I was going through the roller decks, I won't lie, I had the right answer before it came up. Yeah, you was on V before I finished Jemima. Yeah. Do you know what I thought the other day? We never say this is how you get in touch and please leave us a iTunes reviews. So please do leave five star iTunes reviews. It does help.

The amount that Peter Crouch has got is fucking inhumane. I love how petty you get about stuff like that. You love it. You love comparing and contrasting. Can't believe it. But we should say the email address. Oh yeah, go on. Well is it hello at lockdown parenting.com? I'll be honest with him out. I've got no idea. No. But people do it hello at lockdown parenting. Com? I'll be honest with him, I've got no idea. No, but people do get in touch. I think it's in the description. It's in the description.

It's like the dark web they find out our email. I don't even know what is. Either that or that or their case, in a hell of a today. This has got a nice ending because previously we spoke about when my wife had to go into hospital for like a week or so and talking to children about their parents being unwell and the best way to do it. This one's from Sarah Hoddy. This may be a little long but it's got a happy ending and would help answer how to tell children, mummy or daddy is ill. When I was five my sister was one, my dad was diagnosed, he had to have his leg and half his pelvis removed. He was in hospital for a long time and my mom told me my sister that he had gone on a long holiday.

When he came back, he had no limb, so my parents thought it would be a good idea to tell us that he had wrestled a shark and won a competition, but lost his leg in a battle? At this age, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, to to to to to to to to to battle at this age five and one. Oh wow. So you know it's hard to try to explain the pelvic cancers of five rogues I mean so anyway they've told him they've told them that he went and had a fight of a shark and he won but lost his leg. When I got to primary school I was so proud that my dad wrestled a shark but I told everyone in my class this inadvertently. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the to their. their. their. their. their. their. their. I. I was. I was. I was. I was their their. I was a their. I was a their. I was. I was their. I was their their their their their their. I was a their. I was a their. I was a their. I was a their. I was a their. I was a their. I was a their. I was a their. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was a their. I was a their. I was a their. I was a their. I was a the. I was a the. I was a tole. I was a tole. I'm te. I'm try. I'm telle. I'm try. I'm try. I'm their their. I was a the I told everyone in my class. This inadvertently caused a lot of the other kids to become scared of the sea to which to which point my parents told me what really happened and he had a horrible disease so that the children would be scared of the sea anymore. Oh my god. And this is a nice and in Sarah says my dad has been cancer-free for 22 years and rocks world. Oh, that's nice. Nice, nice story.

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Yeah. We spent a lot of time on that, didn't we? It was a great episode though. We enjoy a rating review and email us. And also, if someone could email us and tell us what our email address is, that'd be great. Yeah, that'd be brilliant. Drop it into the emails. What's our email address? Gavea Logan, hello. I mean, we've started. Hi. How are you? Um, actually, I know you're not supposed to say this. I'm all right. You're all right.

I'm okay. I'm quite good. I've had a good start to the week. Everything seems to be. I shouldn't, I'm tempting fate now, aren't I? Yeah, but I'm that. You've got an athlete's mentality but to broadcasting and you're just so efficient so good at it and just so switched on. Because we bumped into each other quite a lot of

different corporate hosting events and you just it's like you're like you're like a you're like a broadcast machine you're just on it so it's so impressive that you're so... Meanwhile Beckett it's pacing up and down backstage yeah I'm gonna do yeah that's exactly what it's pacing up and down backstage. Yeah, I'm bloody out, what am I going to do? Yeah, that's exactly what it's like. And the last corporate we did was probably the last corporate I did with people because that was like mid-February last year. Yes, it was like a, I think it was a company, some sort of company conference.

Yeah, they just booked me again for next year. They booked you. They haven't put me a gig. Yeah, but I think they have a different comedian every time. Oh, okay, well why they have a different host every time? Surely I've got it for 10 years that gig, right? Oh, still rubbing it in! It's all right for you, Rob, I've had we've had the whole you know the whole game so you'll be. Yeah so if they cut the budget you might get a call into your job. Anyway Gabby let's have a chat about your set up at home with kids.

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you know, kind of human experiment. He is six foot five, he eats almost already. Yeah, how old is he? And he's six foot five? Yeah, and so that takes a lot of fuel, right? So my big thing is old. I'm heared. I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I'm heed. I'm he's heed, I'm heed, I'm he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's hea, I'm he. I'm he's he's he's he. I's he. I's he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's he. I's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's, he. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. th. th. th. th. foot five? Five, yeah. And so that takes a lot of fuel, right? So my big thing is old. I'm terrified if he called me chief. How tall can he, Gabby? He's just over six foot. I mean, he used to say six one in the programs when he played rugby. No chance.

Rubin's friends all think he's an experiment that we did as some kind of like, they call him the human sporting experiment that we kind of tried to create an Uber athlete or something. And so he's really big and eats a lot and that's the biggest challenge with him. That's the big challenge with him, you know, because he's a tabed through his meals. You know, tabed him. He's a taken. Normally you'd ask this if someone had a one-year-old, but could you just take me through his meals? When they're little, you want them to eat all the time, don't you? You go, come on, eat your food, eat your food?

Now I'm going, surely you don't need a steak at nine o'clock. You know, that fillet, it's gone. I only bought it yesterday. steak to eight shredded wheat. It could be, I'm going to say, it could be anything like that. Then there's a mid-morning, there's always some kind of smoothie being blended, about 11, maybe a tuna wrap, and then lunchtime, he will have anything from, you know, the whole bags of fresh pasta. You'll kind of have one of those with some chicken breasts or chicken keeb or something or some vegetables. Then there's a mid-after afternoon afternoon afternoon afternoon afternoon afternoon afternoon afternoon afternoon afternoon afternoon afternoon afternoon afternoon afternoon afternoon afternoon afternoon afternoon afternoon afternoon afternoon afternoon afternoon afternoon afternoon afternoon the the the the the the the the to to the to to to the to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the toa.e. tooom in the gym. And then there's the evening meal, which he, you know, deems to eat with the rest of us. And then late before bed, another meal is made and created.

And I said to him the other night when he was making his pre-bed meal, I was like, do you have to have this one? And he said, mom my metabolism is almost stopped you know I mean I'm just like oh oh a maltese I that'll see me till tea time but he's just hungry and obviously doing a lot of activity so that is the hardest part of the first lockdown I found that the biggest challenge that they didn't just want a snack I'll'll have like an avocado on a piece of rice cake for my lunch. Yeah. But he the first lockdown I was like oh my god I'm making so many meals all the time. But this lockdown I've stepped back from the cooking. I've said right. And how much exercise is he doing a day? Normally he does loads right. So he's he's playing sport, he's rugby player and he's got 'll go for a walk, you know, so he's really good at getting out actually, you know, and kind of, you know, doing the maximum in terms of what he's allowed to do socially, you know, so he'll,

he'll go and meet a mate for a bike ride or something and you know, so he's normally very, very very very active. It must be quite difficult. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi's, thi. So he's, he's, he's, th the, the, the, the, the, the, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he and stuff now because that's really been taken away, right? Yeah, do you know what I noticed the it's the testosterone isn't it? You know it's that kind of release of kind of getting out. You're used to going around and bashing into people and all that kind of stuff so he was much more mild mannered when he was playing lots of sport. Yeah, and then there's the peaks the peaks the peaks there's the peaks the peaks there's the peaks the peaks their their their their their their their thethen there's a peaks and troughs, you know, you don't know which one you're going to get, which one's going to come down the stairs. Because you need an outlet.

Yeah, you do. You do. And Kenny's beyond wrestling with him. You know, that's those days are the days. What age did he over a match in the summer, but that's gone. Oh really? Yeah. As Kenny accepted that though? Does he know? I mean, you know when, you know when the bear back kind of just bows out and walks backwards into the bushes. Yeah. Yeah. Is that going to. The silver back, sorry, not the bear back. Wow. Okay. It's such an exciting lockdown. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's all. It's all. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It okay. Such an exciting lockdown here. The silverback, sorry. But my daughter's, so they're twins obviously.

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So she competes normally all the time. She's got her, we allowed her to bring, well we didn't allow it. It's much better actually to have them here. She started to bring a horse is home in the summer. Into the house? Well, she's actually only had one. She had one horse, suddenly we got four. When I allowed her to bring one home, she went, it needs a friend, right? So she picked up this like really cheap little kind of, you know, almost like the stepto and son of the pony, you know, it arrived kind of, like looking bedraggled and she's the, kind, kind, kind, kind, kind, kind, kind, kind, kind, kind, kind, kind, kind, kind, kind, kind, kind, kind, kind, kind, kind, kind, kind, kind, kind, the the the the, the the, the, the, the the th and she's, she's, she's th and she's tho, she's, she's, she's tho, she's their, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she she she she she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's the the th. She's th. She's tho, she's tho, she's tho, she's tho, she's th. She's thoometeen, actually actually actually actually actually th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th and she's going to turn it into a champion apparently and then she's got a fall which is a project and then she's got a Shetland so she just morning, noon and night in between her lessons she's outside. It becomes totally addictive my parents had one horse when we moved to Devon at one point they got up to 12 when I was a kid. Oh my god. Because then you know, because they're not having a horse. Because they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're their. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I. Yeah. I. I their. I'm their. Yeah. I'm to. I'm me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me. I their. I their. I their. I their. I their. I their. I their. I their. I their. I their. I their. I their. I their. I their. I'm to. I'm to. I'm to. I'm to to to to to to to to to to to to the to their the always think of it as sort of like you know like as sort of the super rich person type of thing but Josh you're not like from money as it

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over here, right, for your friend. So I said, I said, how did this happen? I've gone from one to four? She said, you're the horsey world. She said, you're th. She said, you're th. to said, you're to said, you're to, you're to, you're to, you're, you're, to, to, to, to, to, to, th. th. to, to, th. to, to, to, th. th. to, th. th. th. th. th. to, to, to, to, to, to, to come, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's,kell from Leeds. I'm not, you know, this is, because you're right, the horsey world is really weird. You can have like, we go to shows where you've got people with these 200 grand horse lorries, right, and a fleet of horses. And then you've got somebody that looks like they've just totally democratic in the sense of you don't know what you're going to get. Do you know what I mean? I think when you're from a city you just assume all people with horses are really rich, but it's a kind of a countryside thing. If you've got the space you can have them and it can, like, it's like an expensive horse, a horse box or an old van. Yeah, exactly. van it near me to be moved someone. I didn't think it would go. But it didn't seem bad, obviously that is bad isn't it? It's sort of had more cruelty to a point, but at the time it just felt like, oh that's quite impressive, like getting a piano in there. Do you find it scary?

What should I do the show jumping you said she does? You find it scary? Between the pair of them, her jumping over like 1 metre 20 jumps and him smashing into people, you know, in rugby, I suppose I should be on the edge of my seat kind of feeling. I kind of, I kind of trust what they're doing that they know my kids do sport because when you're doing your sport as a living, you know, like when you go and watch sport like I do to kind of talk about it, it's not the same. You know you're kind of doing it as a job. When I go watch them, it's pure enjoyment for me. So... Are you competitive on the side lines, do you want them to win a their their their their, their, you can hear in the background of Kenny videoing her around when she she did

brilliantly and then the middle fence of three came down and I went, shit, shit, it's just silence far from me swearing in the background. And with Ruben I'm like I try not to and then I just got you know I just get a bit excited sometimes you know like it because it does you know you got all the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th th th th th th th th th th th th th. th. th. th. th. the. the. the. the. the. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the th. th. the the th. the the the th. th. the. the. to to to the to to the the the the the the the the the the the the the theeeeeeee. the. the I try not to and then I just got, you know, I just get a bit excited sometimes, you know, like again, because it does, you know, you got all the other parents on the touch line and you're kind of all going a bit, or sidelines, you're all going a bit mental. And the presence of Gabby and Kenne, the presence of Kenny, their, their presence, theyrownk, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, you, you, you, you, to, to off and watches on his own because he just like some of the chatter, you know he goes like some of the things that he hears the parent saying he just

finds it all a bit like oh shut up so he just walks off on his own sometimes which I think looks so rude he just disappeared leaves as all and I'm left then with you know everybody else who's just having a nice day out you know but Rum Roman the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their th is is is just he's he's he's he's he's he is is is is is is. he's is just their he's is just he their he's is just their he's is is just their is just their is just their is just their is their is just their their their their their their their their their their is just their is just their their is just their their is just. their their their th is just. their th. their their th. th. th. th. thee. the. the. th a wasp's academy and there's been a couple of times where Kenny's been watching matches when he's playing for was, so where there's been some dads who are all moms whose background in rugby isn't what Kenny's was, you know, and they have no idea that Kenny played rugby and they'll turn around and say something to him and then later they come and go and they're so sorry I'm so sorry, and they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're to to to come so sorry, to come so, to come, to come, to come, to come, to come, to come, to come, to come to come to come to come to come to come to come to come to come to come to come to come to come to come to come to come to come to come to come to come to come to come to come to come to come to come to come to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to totrying to like tell Kenny what's going on. Yeah, he knows a lot. He knows what's happening.

It is kind of strange I think for Ruben sometimes, you know, because obviously it wasps. Kenny played there for, you know, 10 years. So. And have you ever seen, as Ruben sometimes kick off a bit. What's that like as a mom to watch that happen, even though he's this big six at five like bloke? I don't mind that so much. There was one match last year where he said something really sarcastic to the ref, which in rugby you know you don't back chat the ref. The ref the ref, the ref, the ref, was having an absolute shocker, to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to their, their, their, their, their, their, their, th. I, th, th, their, their, their, th, their, their, their, their, their, their, th, th, their, their, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, their, their, I. I. I, I, I. I, I, I. I. I, I, I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, the the the too. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm the the the the the the the he might have had a big night the night before. So I'm an absolutely legend today.

But he got the school line wrong. And it was impossible. What he'd given was impossible for what had happened in the game. You know what I mean? And Reuben went, so let's just add that up. So let's just at that point the headmaster of the opposition school had stood next to me as well. So I was like, oh he's going to say who's that horrible child, I'm going to go, it's my... But yeah, they're kind of big learning curves those things. I think that sums up rugby that you can spend 80 minutes smashing someone, but if you make a sarcastic comment that is too far.

So it sounds like the both very talented athletes, you know, Planet Wasps and Nationals in the show jumping. How important is like their academic stuff? Do you know the sporting stuff? I genuinely, when they were little, I tried to get them to play every instrument in the world. I mean, I was like, I didn't want them to just feel they had just to choose sport as a kind of passion in life and all I wanted them to do is be interested in stuff and so and have something that they felt you know kind of that they wanted to commit to and give something to so so I'm glad they both have and they both love their sport but they also what if you're six foot five there's gonna be some good roles there? Well I don't think so I said to him the only thing you can do is hope the rock retires because that's literally it you know I said you'll never you never be a leading man. He's not he's not tap out of growing yet. He's not he's not tape too. He's they've grow. He's not. He's not. He's not. He's not he's not he's not he's not he's not he's not he's not he's not he's not he's not he's not he's not he's not he's not he's not he's not heededededed. He's not heed. He's not he's not he's not heed. He's heed. He's heed. He's heed. He's heed. He's not heed. He's not heed. He's not heededed. He's not heededededededededededededededed. He's not he's not he's not he's grown. He's grown. He's grown. He's grown. He's not he's not he's not he's not he's not he's not he's not he's not he's not. He's not he's not he's not he's not he's not he's not he's not he's not he's not he's not he's not he's he's not he's he's not heed. He's not he said you know he's like mom I'm gonna keep going to her because we got a friend locally who's a top policeman in the Met who's six foot nine and he keeps telling me

that he kept on growing you know beyond 15. Ruben said mom I think I've got my wisdom teeth through and so you know that's it I've stopped now because he he doesn't want to he he he wants he wants he wants he wants he wants he wants he wants he he he he he was he was he he he was he he he he was he he was he he was he he was he he was that's he he was that's he he was he he was he he was to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to he that's to to to to to to to to to to to to to to he he he he to he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he's he he's he he's he he's he he's to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the the the the the the the the the the to the the to to the to to to to the to to to the to the to the night and he went I think they're just molars mom I think they're just mollers but schoolwork is you know I said to them both whatever happens in life you know she's not you know being an international show jumper is not you know it's a pipe dream you know I mean you might as well try say I want to be to university and she's got kind of her dreams. Ruben, he doesn't love learning as much. Let's say that. But you know, I said you just got to work hard and do the best you can.

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and that was, and that was, and so, actually, and she also then used to start to kind of protect him a bit as well, which was, you know, not her role, she didn't have to do that at school. So going to separate schools was great and I always think there's one moment where Reuben bought a couple of lads back from school when he was about nine and I went into his bedroom, he's with the boys and I said, oh Lois will be home soon and one of the boys went, who's Lois? And I went, how how long have you know Ruben and this kid went, and you never mentioned you've got a a to got, and you've got, and you've got, and you've got, and you've got, and you've got, and you've got, and you've got, and you've got, and you've got, and you've got, and you've got, and you've got, and you've got, and you've got, and you've got, and you've got, and you've got, and you've got, and I've got, and I've got, and to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to, and I've, and I've to, and I've got, and I've got, and I've got, and I've got, and I've got, and I've got, and I've got, and I've got, and I've got, and I've got, and I've got, and I've got, and I've got, and I've got, and I've got, and I've got, and I've got, and I'm to to to th.. And th. And, and th th. th thin, and to to to to th. And, and I'm to to to to to to to to to isn't it? So it's quite nice them to have had that not being compared all the time and they go in swings and roundabouts in terms of like who you know popularity and all that kind of stuff they kind of be a bit they're a bit competitive about sometimes but actually they're really lovely with each other and you know they're kind of got a nice healthy when I say competitiveiveness, I mean there's four of us competing in this house, not just those

two. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I think that's in the gene, that's in the branch more than anything. And they're kind of, they'll say things to me like, what did you get for your Massachusetts to see again? your house? Is it, is it getting competitive? Yeah, they usually descend into kind of some kind of fight that, you know, we're better off playing with other families, you know, mixing the families up than doing it. Yes, that's a good way doing it. And was, was Rubin quite big

for his age growing up? Did he always look older than his sister even though they were the twins? Because he was same weight?they were the same weight because way along they told me that the one on top that was lowest was bigger and the one on the bottom was smaller and he came out first and he was six pounds, she was six pounds, just about on the nose. And then suddenly, literally within three months he traveled his birth weight. So by the yeah, he was 18 pounds. Yeah, he was 18 pounds after three months. There's no doubt in my mind he should have been a stone at birth, you know. That was that. Yeah, he would have been gone. He saved me all sorts of agro. Coming with a partner. So yeah, he was always really big and that, you know what it's

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can go anywhere right? Remember eat out to help out last year? Yeah. He got, he had a girlfriend, first girlfriend. I'm not going to say too much about that. It's his private life right. But they went out to an eat out to help out locally this pub and they gave them the drinks menu right so bless him when he came in he was honest. He. the their. their. to. to. to. to. to. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He was. He was. He was. He was, to. He was, to. He was, to, to, to, to to to to to to to, to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the, the the, the the the the the the th. the the. the. the. the. He. He's the. He's te. He's te. He's te. He's toe. He's to to to to to to to to to them the drinks menu, right? So bless him, when he came in he was honest, he said, Dad I had a pint. So Kenny went, what? He went, well I came with a drinks menu, so I just said, and he said, and I remembered what I'd heard when we went out for dinner last week and somebody said they had a foster, I went out of a foster's. And so, and I said to Kenny afterwards, and I said to Kenny, and I th, th, th, th, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, and I said, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, well, well, well, well, well, well, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, I the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the, he said, he said, I mean? I'll have yeah I'll try in London for yeah that looks lovely that dry gin and then we'll go on to the vodka. So yeah clearly from last summer that has not good that is not going to be a problem so you've got to be then have the conversation changes doesn't it? But do you know what Gary he can't get drunk you? You're going to be fine there there's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's the th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th th thi thi thi thi thrown thrown thi thi. thi. thi. thi thi, thr- he thr- he thr- he thr- he thr- he thi th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th thin thin thin thin the thr thr thr thr thrown thrown thrown thrown thrown thrown thrown thrown thrown thrown thrown thrown thrown thrown the the th But it's nice that he told you,

because a lot of kids wouldn't have been honest. So it's a nice relationship where he can come home and say that he did that and it'd be like an interesting thing to talk about rather than be scared to tell you or keep it a secret and keep going. So that, you know, I mean, that's a good way. A plus a plus point in that, you're that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that're 14 year olds ordering pines you know. You're an interesting stage because you've got twins and they're at 15 and they're going to be leaving in about three or four years. How does that, how does that, do you think about that?

A lot? A lot. Because especially, you know, we're coming up now to the summer where they're telling me all the time, mom, this is the summer of our lives. This summer, you've got to just like, you know, release control. We're going to go to festivals. You're not, mate. There aren't going to be any. And we're going to do this. We're going to do that.

Because I'm not something micro-s. just go out into the wilderness for days on end and you know and have frank conversations about the dangers of drugs and alcohol and everything and so you've got all those things going and then you think there's two more years and then they're off to university and then they make all kinds of stupid decisions you know and do things that they want to do so and so at the moment you trying to kind them, you know, a good grounding when they leave, but also at the same time thinking it's going to be so quiet. It's going to be weird and, you know, why don't I have more children, you know, beating Kenny's chest. Why didn't you let me have more kids?

You've got the horses, you'll have to had later babies, so they've got like older ones and then they've gone and had one in their early 40s, mid-40s. And I'm slightly envious of that kind of, you know, having somebody coming through, coming up the rear. Yeah. Your podcast, the midpoint, which I was like, well, this doesn't apply to me, and then I listened. I'm in the ageaged, I'm in age age age age age age age age age age age age age age th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. Well th. Well th. Well, th. Well, th. Well, th. Well, thi th. th. th. th. th. Well, th. Well, th. Well, th. Well, th. Well, th. I th. I was like, th. I was like, th. Well, th. Well, th. Well, th. Well, th. Well, th. Well, th. Well, th. Well, th. Well, th. Well, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm in the age range cabinet I'm middle-aged you drew the bottom line at 35 you're having me kidding me but the Economic and Social Research Council did that Josh not me so I'm sorry so the podcast is

interviewing people in middle age about how they feel midlife midlife sorry sorry then the the lineup is mind but it was like a list of people I thought we should get them on so you've got some great people you've got the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th the bottom. the th. th. I th. I'm th. th. th. th. th. I'm the the th. th. the the the th. the the bottom. the bottom. the bottom. the bottom. the bottom. the bottom. the bottom. the bottom. the bottom. the bottom. the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I've th. I'm th. th. th. th. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. th. th. th. th. Sorry, sorry. Then the line up is mind, it was like a list of people I thought, oh we should get them on. So you've got some great people you've got Richard Osmond, Mariela Frostrup Denise Lewis, Catlin-Moran, Michael Johnson, the sprinter. I know. I'm stiff-backed Johnson. I'm stiff-backed Johnson.

So I work with him all the zoomed chair? So he's stiff back zoomed chair. Here he goes. I work with him all the time, right? So I'm sitting in his office in Malibu, right, in his house. He literally sat up on his chair and behind him, he had two glass shelves and on it. The only things on it were Olympic gold medal, a gold Nike running spike, and two bafters, right? he never was wastes a word. He will talk for two minutes, but there is never a superfluous sentence or any grammatical kind of, you know, mistakes or umms and ours.

And I said, your shelf sums you up. You're, you're, you're just precision. That is, this is me. This is me, some gold medals. I did running and then I did broadcast it and I was the best of both of them. Here and I are. What do you want to know about my life? But he had a stroke in midlife. I mean Michael Johnson, you know, the biggest man in the world.

And he didn't even, you know, he didn't realize what it was. He came out in the gym and Performance Center, as you do, and spoke to the top doctor and the top doctor told him, get to a hospital. And if he hadn't gone to hospital at that point and gone home and gone to sleep, which was his natural inclination, he'd be dead, basically. He'd been badly paralyzed that he would not be doing what he does now, which is he's back jogging and you know, it's unbelievable. Yeah. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I's unbelievable. I's unbelievable. Yeah. I's unbelievable. Yeah. I's been. He's been. He's been. He's been. He's been. He's not. He's not. He's not. He's not. He's not. He's not. He's bad. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. He's not. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's not. He's not. He's the. He's the. He's the. He's the. He's the. He's the. the. the. the. the. He's the the the unbelievable yeah so that was definitely gonna listen to a podcast that's the best advert for a podcast inside a podcast actually hosting my podcast I'd always stopped doing this trick to listen you've absolutely done me can I could ask about Richard Osmond as well yes did you do do it in a studio with him or did you do it over zoom and online no do you know when we did it actually in the offices of my agents in Chizik? It was in the period where you could meet up with about I'd

say a quarter I've managed to physically be with people. Oh that's okay then because I asked him to do our one and he said no sorry I can't I haven't got the right set up at home it has to be a studio so you wanted to make it so I just wanted to make sure to make sure to make sure to make sure to make it so to make it so to make it so to make it so to make it so to make it so to make it so to be to to to to to be to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the they the they. I the they. I the the try. I try. I the try. I the try. I the the try. I that that that that that that that that to to just want to make sure that he wanted to book a process really. It's just what, TV and being tall probably, is it? He said to me, how tall's your son? Good, I'm in. In fact, he was 5'9 at 35, Richard Osmond, and he grew later. One of Kenny's best friends and teammates from Was and England and well Kenya play for England obviously but British and Irish Lions he was five foot nine at 16 and six foot nine at 17. Wow yeah and I said to him what was that year like? What happened in that year? He said I come home from school and literally I'm and this

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incomparable different age to me. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, you just don't. I, my parents had me quite young. They're in the early 20s. So they were still kind of going out a lot, you know, because they're only in their late 30s. So when I was 17. But my kids, because I was 10 years older than that, I was 32 and I had them. So they just, there's some things where they're just rude, you know, like you just don't understand. I mean, how could you possibly understand? You didn't even have Snapchat, you know, it's like. And then other things that they're like, they're like slightly more kind and benevolent about it because they kind of, you know, want to understand what, what did you eat? You know, they'll say he's like, what do you have to dinner? What a normal amount compared to you, mate? Yeah, well they were asking Kenny this question last night, because Kenny grew up on a farm

in Scotland and they were like, what kind of things? Because last night I made this incredible tofewo vegan dinner right and they went, dad, dad, dad, dad, dad, dad, dad, dad, dad, dad, dad, dad, dad, dad, dad, dad, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I'm to to to to to to to to to to to to to to told their, what, what, what, what, what to to to to to to to to to their, what a normal, what a normal, what a normal, what a normal, what a normal, what a normal, what a normal, what a normal, what a normal, what a normal, what to normal, what, what to normal, what to normal, what, what to normal, what to normal, what the normal, what to normal, what their.... What their. What their. What their their their their normal, what toe. We were tolde. Wea, what toe. Wea, what toe. Wea, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what their their their'm lucky I think in a way, working in sport, I deal with all these young sports people all the time, these footballers who are like 20, 21 and sometimes you think, oh, am I dinosaur to them? They look at me and think, who's the old lady coming on, you know, being wheeled, to interview me. So I could, having the kids, my kids, sometimes a good kind kind of, a good, a good, a good, a good, a good, a good, a good, a good, a good, a good, a good, a good, a good, a good, a good, a good, a good, a good, a good, a good, a good, a good, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th th th thi, thi, thi, th th th th th th their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their, their, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, the, the, the, the, thean, thean, thean, thean, th on you know. Yeah and it brings you back I think I said before when you have kids you sort of your pop culture references fall out your head because you just see BBs you know getting them fed getting to nursery but then once they get to teenagers you actually you sort of catch up to their tea. You actually you sort of catch up to their friends that or that, there's things like that. It's so funny when Kenny and Reuben go up to Copoventry, which is where

Rosp's training is, it's like an hour and a half journey for them after school and stuff. So on the way there, Rubin gets to play his music, right? Which Kenny describes as, uh, swear word, ugh, swear word, I think, dad's a dance........ On the way back it's freestyle so they can kind of like choose a track each but Ruben because he's now trained he's quite happy to play Sweet Caroline or a bit of Oasis you don't really want to play home is that's fine or a bit of fleet with Mac it's okay and Kenny's always like oh the journey home so much nicer

but do you know what that's better than I wouldn't want to be one of those parents that's trying to be down with their kids. Yeah, it's too much. It's too much. And you said before you like it would have been nice to have another other kids and stuff like that. Was that as a consideration? Do you know, do you want more? Because they were for IVF and you're going to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to be for. to be for. to be for. to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to. to. to. the the the the the to. the the the the the the the the the the to. the the the the to. the the to. the to. to. to. to. to. to. to. toists than, you know, so you have to put them on

ice and you decide whether you're going to have another baby, which is a really, to decide, you know, in that way, it's such a kind of pressure-filled conversation to have, you know, so when you've got two toddlars running around at 18 months, what kind of put another couple of eggs back in. So at that point we're both in this stupid mindset as new parents often are when it gets back to normal and of course what you realize when they're 17 is it never gets back to normal you know or 15 it's not that doesn't happen. So when they were about 10 we had to have a really serious conversation about it because that's when you're supposed to no longer be frozen, you know and we even walked the pub in the village and we to to to to to to to to be to be to be....... And to be. And, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, the the to be, the the the the the the the their, their, their, their, their, their, their, the, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, th. I. I. We. I. th. th. th. We. th. to. th. th. th. th. their, their, their, their, their, their, their, th. We. to no longer be frozen, you know. And we even walked to the pub in the village and we sat down and we kind of like, you know, what should we do? And at that point, you know, I was probably in my early 40s and I just felt like I was too far from having them. You know, like it felt like too big a gap. And so we didn't. And then Kenny just about a year ago on one of those days, you know, tho. tho. th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And th. th. th. th. the th. their. their. their. their. their their their their their their their their their their their their their their. th. their their their their their their their their their their their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. their. I. It. It. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's to. It's probably. It's probably. It's probably. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. t. t know in those days where everything's great, the kids are great, and it's all good and life's great and he went, you should have had more kids. I was like, don't give me that now! But I always thought I'd have four or five because I'm one of four and Kenny's got a three and you know when you your

experience is growing up or what you think you're going to have but we do often thank our lucky stars because Kenny's business partner their th triplets. And one is a girl and the other two are twin boys, so the eggs split in the womb. So we often say, imagine if Ruben's egg had split, we'd be bankrupt. So you know, yeah, exactly. So, you know, yeah. Triplet. What was the moment when you found out it was like, the moment when you found out, to, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, to, to, the, the, the, the, to, the, the, to, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, tw, tw, tw, tw.............. So, tw. So, tw. So, two, two, two, two, two, two, two, two, two, two, two, two, two, the, the, was like kind of, we just wanted to say there's a beating heart there, you know, so to save us too. And we didn't tell anybody it was twins for ages because we just couldn't quite believe our luck,

you know, so we wanted to wait until we got to our first proper scan. Because obviously with IVF you're starting to get pregnant doing all the tests and all of that. So it's a long old time while you've been on that journey before you even tell anybody. So was it a tough process going through it all? Obviously it works out well because you got your two kids, but is it quite tough? Is it at the very beginning about a sportsperson's mindset and I think we both kind of had that attitude towards it. So we tried to say right, okay, if this doesn't work this time, then, you know, and so it's tough in as much as you put in your body through a bit. And actually the interesting thing about midpoint is I've discovered if you go through IV-a-1, about, you can have your menopause earlier, because you've mixed up your hormones and stuff.

So I didn't know any of that, you know, because you kind of only read the bits you want to read, don't you? Yeah, of course. You don't kind of take in everything. And so it wasn't it wasn't hard, because I think there are a lot harder, we've told we had inexplained infertility. So you're like, what does that mean? I'll just keep going.

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what? And so and then the first question that the journalist said was, are the twins in your family? And the inference was obviously that she knew that it wasn't. Do you know what I mean? I was like kind of because she could easily find out there were no twins in my family, you know, and so, and I made the decision at that moment that I wasn't going to hide the IVF because I felt like I was so grateful........... I was so to to to be going going going going going going. I was so. I was so. I was so. I was so. I was so. I was so to be going going going going going going going going. I was so to be to be to be a to be a to be a to be a to be a to be a to be a to be a to be a to be a to be a to be a. to be a. to be a. to be a. I was going to be a. I was going to be a to be a to be a to be a to be a. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. to. to. the the toe. the to. the to. the the to. the so grateful to be incredible people who'd helped me get to this stage that I didn't want to kind of, you know, I wasn't embarrassed by it and I was quite happy to talk about it because it felt like a natural process as unnatural as it kind of is. Do you know, and I feel like a lot of people have come up to me over the years and people, famous people, you know, people that you know, I had it, you know, I'm th.......... Oh, you're, you're, I, I, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm that, I'm that, I'm that, I'm th. Oh, I'm th. Oh, th. Oh, th. Oh, that, that, thi. And, and I was quite th. th. th. that, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I was, and I was, and I, and I, and I was, and I, and I, and I, and I. And, and I.. And, and I... And, th. And, th. And, I. And, I. And, I'm, I. And, I. And, I'm, I'm, I. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. tha. th. tha. th. tha. tha. tha. tha. th. th. it and I think there was a stigma almost that you're not quite complete or you're not quite right if you can't do it. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. And I think that's hopefully that's gone now and people don't feel like,

you know, yeah I think so I feel like it used to be thought of like that but I'd never think of it like oh that's just a bad knee and you'd need to get it adjusted or up. Yeah, no one would go, oh look, walking about but not the normal, like the natural way with your knee. Like, all right, what do you need to limp? We do do those kind of jokes on the last lagg actually, right? You know, I'm sorry. It's funny, you're like, you know, it's funny, you're like, you're like, you, you're like, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, you're, like, like, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, you, that, that, you, like, like, like, like, to tell the kids until they were old enough to actually comprehend what that means because I you know you it wasn't it wasn't like we were lying we didn't say one night you're down and I got

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always thus. Yeah. it's tiring and you know you know how tiring kids are. And so my pram incident was a good one. I was walking along Barnes High Street where we lived at the time and I stopped it as Cafe Nero and I got Lois out and I was holding the double pram and then I was just looking at the menu or something and let go over the pram with Ruben in it, right? And there was a slight slope on the pavement, right, which there was a there was a there was a there was a the the there was a little, and the the the pavement, right, which I hadn't noticed and the pram obviously took off towards the main road, right? There was a, I would declare a 17-ton lorry coming around the corner. Oh my word. This guy appeared from nowhere, right? It was

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mother came around and he was trying, your child just pulled my child's pram over. Sorry he's only a year old, I don't know how he did. Gabby, we always like to end by asking, well, should I ask it, Rob? Yeah, you're going for it, Josh. You know what the question is by there. Yeah, I'm across the format, aren't I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th th that, and the mother, and that, and th th the mother, and the mother, and the mother, and the mother, and the mother, and the mother, and the mother, and the mother, and the mother, and the mother, and the mother, and the mother, and the mother, and the mother, and the mother, and the mother, and the mother, and the the th th the th th th th th th th that, and that, and that, and the the that, and the that, and the that, and that, and that, and that, and that, and the mother came that, and going for it Josh, you know what the questions is by now. Yeah, I do, I'm across the, I'm across the format, aren't I? What, uh, is there anything that your husband does, parenting wise that annoys you, but you haven't had the kind of guts or the reason to bring up to their face? But if you said it now, it'd be a good way if th th th th th th th th th th th th that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that to be a to be a good to be a good that to to to to to to to to to to to to to th.. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. to th. to to to to to to to to th... to th. to, th. to, to, to, to, to, to, to, th. to, th. th. th. th. to, that. that. the. to, to, the. to, to, to, to, toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. I's, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'd be a good way if he listened to this for him to find out. See, after 15 years, I'm pretty much tell Kenny when he does something wrong on a daily basis.

I can't ever imagine you not, from working with you Gabby, I can't imagine you biting your tongue, if you think something needs to happen. But one of the things that recently, I've kind of been quite, because he's, Kenny has become become, to be. I like a clean tidy house don't get me wrong right but he has become obsessed like you know just like there can never be anything out of place and he loves to get the dustbuster out he's dustbusting and he's like he's all the time doing stuff like that kind of I'm like just calm down of it you know just like just like let's just like let's just let the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th let's just the the the the the the the the th let's just the the the the the the the the the the the th just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just let let let let let let let's just let's just let's just let's just let's just let's just let's just let's just let's just let's just let's just let's just let's just let's just. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. the th. the th. the the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the pair of boots don't make it to the boot room within 20 seconds, you know, there's kind of like, so, and he's, and he's, because, the fury has kind of like, you know, overtaken. And so I've had to kind of like, recently just go, look, you've got to learn, there's

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screwing the dishwasher I was like what you're doing you like the door the door's you wouldn't care, would you, if you're out and about places? Yeah, of course. So, so everything's got, everything has to be kind of right. Yeah, but I suppose he's like, you know, I know he's got business now and stuff of the, but he, like, the outlet of playing rugby whatever that happened that day I can just get on stage and then just let it out of the routine and those jokes and stuff. So yeah that's what I find. I'm very lucky because sports been going on so I get out the house and I come in and

he'll say things like what do people say? You know what are you wearing now? What are they wearing? What are wearing? What their now. I cooked dinner last night and Lou was up next to me as a cooking dinner I was like, so she have a good day? She didn't, yeah. And then literally, what it feels like is, imagine if like, and it's because of lockdown, but it feels like, you know like you know a relationship doomed. And there's nothing left to say to each other but the reason for that is lockdown. She went, should I just go the the the to have a to have a to have a to have a to have a to have a to have a to to have to have a to to to to have a to to to to have a to have a to have a to to have a to have a to have a to have a to have a to have a tho their to have a good to have a good to have a good to have a good to have a good to have a good to have a good to have a good to have a good to have a good to have a good to have a good to have a good to have a good to have a good to have a th th th th th th th th th th th th th th the the the the the the the th. I th. I the the the the the. the. the. the. the. thea. thea. thea. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. She th reason for that is lockdown. But imagine that was like that during the honours. She went, should I go watch a tel. Yeah, just go watch a telly. Literally no one's done anything to talk about.

We started learning chess the other night. I said, right. We neither was know how to play. Let's sit down, right. And we went on some website where you had to play the computer, to play, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to to, to, to, to, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the the to the to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the, the, the the to learn and and Kenny started getting like really you know the person we're planning us was in America he's going he's thinking look at these mavericks with their moves and I don't think he is actually I think he knows two are rubbish and he was so into it I thought he's like he's like he needs like some kind of outlet he's like competitive chess is not going to replace rugby mate.

Gabby it's been an absolute pleasure. Thank you so much. Thank you for me. Brilliant. Gabby Logan there, Joshua. Love Gabby Logan. Always been a fan of Gabby Logan. Whenever you work with her, she's so much fun and she always kind of, she brings an energy. Yeah, she's really, that's what's saying like, because I think wanted to she's some sort of like boring robot broadcast. I mean, she's so on it and those examples do, she's doing it.

But she's just so professional but she's fun. Like, when you do, I've just bumped into those corporatey things. She's like having a right laugh about all in a room you got 200 dickheads surely. Oh bare minimum mate 400. Whatever room you're in what's the percentage? If you go to a gig and you like the band you ate half the people there. She's great isn't Gabby her son sounds like an absolute whopper. Yeah I know you wanted to go but you can't you can't say the words could I see a picture of your 15 year old son. That's true buddy. You kind of want to right? Yeah, please have a picture of your giant child please.

Yeah. I wouldn't fancy my daughter show jumping though. Oh God. Oh, God. Oh, God. Oh, yeah. Yeah. W. Were you good at rugby at school? No, it's just fat. I hated rugby so much. The worst thing about being an overweight teenager is.

People go in the scrum. No, they go. Did you play rugby? No, I don't. But you're saying that because I'm a fat boy. You're assuming I play because I'm in fact. We never played it like once and an El the thoa fights. They just made us do basketball, ping pong or football. Pingbong?

That's the only sports I did at school. I never did anything else. We did cricket for an afternoon, but everyone used to just field on the boundary and smoke in the woods. Do you feel like you're beyond being young now? Yes, so I still think of myself as like the new young comedian kid, but I'm not anymore. I've been doing it for like, what is it, 12, 13 years now. And I looked in the mirror the other day and I've got a craggy little eyes.

But I don't want to be. The problem is because I'm the smiley young, excitable comedian. I'm worried you segue that into middle age. That's a tough segue. Before you know know know know know know know know know know, the the the th. Oh, th. Oh, th. Oh, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. tho. I'. I'm, tho, th. I'm, thi. I'. I'm, th. too, th. I'm, th. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm the tha. It's the the the the toge. the togequale mate. Oh yeah, but he's gone the other way. He's started to wear leather jackets and get tattoos. What? If you don't see him? I'm not across Joe Pasquale really. Google Joe Pasquale topless. I'm not falling for that again. He looks great though. Well done to him. He's got absolutely hench. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's thed that. He's that that that that that that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's to to that's to to to that's that's to to that's toe, that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's. toe, he toe, he's toe, he's to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. the. the. the. the. the. thea. thoooooo' the thoooooo' the other the. thea. thea. thea. He's got the. He's got to well done to him he's got absolutely hench but I don't know what I'm gonna do Josh I've grown a beard which I think is quite a good

middle ground because you don't want to be fresh-faced trying to continually be fresh-faced comedian is a tough ass like you know and who's doing that still Russell Howard's doing it well still but he's got ripped he's had his eyes done and his teeth done he sort of he's stage down Russell Allward, where like he looks incredible, isn't he? Yeah. But I think a beard would set him off lovely now. Yeah, but it's all right for you. You can grow a beard. My beard's too patchy, too rubbish. Is it? Yeah. It's hard to be fresh face to me forever. So you're gonna have a dark middle stage to your career then? I've just been watching the tiger of togagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagag- t. t. t. t. t. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. th. Yeah. th. Yeah. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. to. to. th. th. to. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. his downfall and then the the resurgence. I can't wait. He is a complicated man. Well do you know what? Yeah. We'll wait for Gabby to interview Tiger Woods because he is. But we're always here if you want to talk about you know parenting Tiger we are here. Right. See you on Tuesday people. Thank you very much you listening.

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