Parenting Hell with Rob Beckett and Josh Widdicombe - S02 EP17: Nadiya Hussain

Episode Date: March 19, 2021

ROB BECKETT & JOSH WIDDICOMBE'S 'LOCKDOWN PARENTING HELL' S02 EP17: Nadiya HussainJoining us in the studio this episode to discuss the highs and lows of parenting (and life) during the lockdown and beyond is the brilliant chef, author, and presenter, Nadiya Hussain.Enjoy. Rate and Review. Thanks. xxx If you want to get in touch with the show here's how:EMAIL: [e-mail]: @lockdownparent INSTAGRAM: @lockdown_parentingA 'Keep It Light Media' Production Sales, advertising, and general enquiries: [e-mail] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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and member terms apply hello I'm Josh Whitakam welcome to lock down welcome to lockdown the show in which Rob and I to be a parent during lockdown which I would say can be a little tricky. So in an effort to make some kind of sense of the current situation. And to make me feel better about my increasingly terrible parenting skills. Each episode will be chatting to a famous parent about how well they're coping. Or hopefully not. And we will be hearing from you the listener with your tales of lockdown parenting woe. Because let's be honest, none of us know what we're doing. Hello and you are listening to lockdown parenting hell with...

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There's more efficient than your use of your phone. Yes, exactly. That was Finn. Can you say it Rob Beckett? Oh Bickett. And Josh Whittakum? Yeah. That is a nuke. So there we go. They are off two different devices. Neither of which I could make work and then they both work at the same time. Yeah. You hate this feature. Because you have to deal with the emails. The problem is because I, for some, I, I, I, I, I, I, for the the the the the the the the the th, I, I, for, for, for, for, for, for, for the the th, for the th, th, th, th. I, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. th. th. the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. the th. the th. th. th. the the the th. the to. to. the th. th. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. work at the same time. You hate this feature. It's because you have to deal with the emails. The problem is, because I, for some reason I can't, I'm not going to go into it. We're on though. We're here, Josh. How's your week been? You're

not going to believe this, Rob. We've just got text from Michael saying he's lost us and he's trying to reconnect. What is going???? the the the th. the tho. tho. tho. tho. the tho. tho. the thi. to to to he. to to to to hea. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to be to be to to to to to to to to to to to to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be. to be to be. to be. to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be the problem. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the. the the the. the the the the true. the tooo. the tooome. toe. toe. the problem. toe. toe. to merying to reconnect. What is going on? I'll tell you something Rob. You know so still clearing out the house. Yeah. So it's going well actually we've almost got there now. What are you trying to get rid of? Why have you got loads of stuff? Because we moved my daughter upstairs. So to make space for the nursery for the new baby? Yes, the nursery is full of stuff. So we cleared that out this weekend. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. to to th. to to to to to to to to to to the the the the to to to to to to to to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. the. the. the. te. te. te. toe. to toe. to to to to to to to to the to the. the. that out this weekend. Lots of putting items in the street. And now you need stuff for a baby and the stuff for the older kid so it's double stuff. It built the cot this weekend. Don't need that to do that for eight months. That was a tap. Absolutely maddest. That's the best bit of advice. Don't build the cot until your baby's about six months. I built. th. th. the th. the th. th. th. the baby's, th. th. their, th. th. th. their, th. th. their, th. their, thi, thi, their, thi, tho, their, their, that, their, tho, their, their, their, their, their, their, the their, the the the stuff, the stuff, the stuff, the stuff, the stuff, the stuff, the stuff, the stuff, the stuff, the stuff, the stuff, the stuff, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, that, thoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, the stuff, before my baby was born, and then I moved house before the baby was born. Oh. So we had to take the cot down and put it back up again.

Then it just stayed up for six months. Oh my words, that is a heartplay. But what will happen is your partner will say, but please I want the nursery to look nice so you do it anyway even though you know it's it's that it's that it's. I felt that I felt that. Did you feel with that? In eight months I'll be delighted. However, yeah.

Built the cot, that was fine, but put some stuff outside. You love that. It's the best way to get rid of stuff because the charity shops are closed, isn't it? Yes. The Christmas tree holder is finally gone. Oh, yeah, okay. done them before, don't need to keep them. Fair enough, I think that's good, good recycling. Yeah.

Neck pillow for airplane flights. Stiff neck. Not gone. Not gone. A pillow won't go, it's too intimate. Pillows never going to go, pillow's never going to go, right? Is it soft plush or is it soft plush? And we've got far think to take it, you buy another one. It's like American plug sockets.

And then you come home, put them in your big drawer, they stay in your drawer forever and you get to the airport and buy a new one. Yeah, exactly. Perfect. Dixon's or Dixon's, but they know you're forgetful. Anyway, everything goes, Do you want to know how bad I feel about this?

Terrible. Do you know what I found on the floor? What? A single solitary piece of jigsaw? Oh, no. It's been dropped in your house or like by where you put it? We'd opened it up I think to look inside I think before it went out or something it's been it's been tampered with by a child. Oh you oh so you're giving away free puzzles with pieces missing you sick fuck.

Awful. You're horrible. That's horrible thing that poor bastard. If anyone knows the, what is the puzzle? Let's track it down and apologize to... It was a puzzle which, of the local area. Oh dear Josh. Yeah, so grim times, grim times, felt bad about. Rob, yes. Could you take me through what you've eaten this week? I've got a little game for you. Oh, what, what, what, I've Well, well, wait a second, because the new menu has been released for my daughter's nursery.

And I thought we could play, is she going to eat better than Rob Beckett did? Well, I think she will because this week, well, it's a combination, I'm the...I've had breakfast. I'm doing intermittent fast and I'm avoiding breakfast. Oh Rob. And what I'm doing is because I'm... I forgot that you're getting ripped for 40. I'm getting ripped mate and I'm doing keto, which basically means that I don't eat any carbs but I will at like midnight eat pork scratchings and a can of coke which I can't imagine's a good diet and that's why I've not lost a good the the the the the the the thaged...

and that's why I've not lost any weight this week. But I have been doing curries in my thermo mix, which I'm not getting paid to say this, is the future of cooking. Is that our heated blender? It's basically, yeah, but it's so expensive, but I think it's worth it because I've saved so much money not getting takeaways anymore. But anyway, I've been doing curries, I've been doing my own, I've been doing my own, I, I, I, I, I, of curry? Basically, it's... What are you in our AP? No, it's not blended. But this thermo mix things, mental, it's like every kitchen applets in one bowl and it cooks stuff, but all sorts, right? I can do Suisse V-Day, mate. I don't even know what it is. I don't even thii- I the th th th th th th th th th th thin thin thin thin thin, I thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, tho, tho, it's tho--a, it's tho, it's tho, it's th. It's th. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's th. It's th. It's, it, it, it, it, it, it, it's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's thin. It's thin. It's thi. It's thi. It's thi. It's thi. It's thi. It's not thi. It's not thateateateatthea. It's not, it's not, it's not, it's not, it's not, it's not, it's not, it's not,'t cooking in the house. We've got a terrible culture of not cooking in our house. I don't know I'm terrible culture today.

It's a fucking team falling apart. But I used to spend so much money on takeaways and I'd always go, it's because I'm out and about busy, blah blah, but we're both crap thoo' and th cooking and th cooking and machine in it Josh. That is turning to QVC, but anyway, I've been making my own curry powder. What? I made my own curry powder. What are you doing Rob? I toasted a cinnamon stick? You toasted a cinnamon in your firm mix? Yeah, not on its own, but with all other stuff. And now I've got a pot of my own curry powder that I used for my curries. And I made a slanken beef curry. And can I tell you the mistake Lou made? Yeah. Neither are so very good at shopping and getting

all the stuff in. Right, yeah, yeah. Anyway, she ordered um, ordered beef. Like, you need, you know, like for a curry you have sort of like brazing beef, what it is right. Anyway, she didn't realize and thought oh it's a bit price in the shop this week, she'd ordered 500 grams of fillet steak. We had fillet steak curry by accident. Right? It worked out about 20 quid a portion. Yeah. Mate, it's so bad though, because I can't go back. Well I can't because it's too expensive but it was so nice. You can afford it. No, but I can't live like, I can't have fillet steak homemade curries. Oh wow, what have you become? Anyway, so we ordered the brazen steak this week on the shop and Lou don't really eat me that much but because we're doing keto she has to eat more meat because that's like mainly part of it and she's just like I don't like it I don't like it. I was like, yeah but you can't can't can't can't can't can't can't can't can't can't can't can't, we can't, we can't, we can't, we can't, we can't, we can't, we can't, we can't, we can't, we can't, we can't, we can't, we can't, we can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I'm a fucking, I'm a fucking, I'm a fucking, I'm a fucking, I can't, I can't, I the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can Anyway, I've been having, so, unless your daughter's having Wagoo steak curry for lunch,

this week's been a bit, it's very hit a miss basically this week. It's either Paul Scratchin's and Coke zero or Waggoo steak. Oh, well, it wasn't Wagoo. Let's go through your daughters. Choose a meal, Rob. Lunch on Tuesday. Lunch on Tuesday. Spelt risotto with butter. So, so. So, so. So, so. So, so. So, so. So, so. I. I. I. I. I. It. It. It, I. It, I. It, I. It th. It th. It th. It th. It th. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I th. I th. I th. I've. I've. I've th. I've th. I've th. I've th. I th. I I th. I. I. I. I. I. I. So, I. So, I. So, I. So, I. So, I. So, I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I've th. I've th. I've th. I've th. I've th. I've th. I've th. I've th. I've th. I've risotto with butternut squash. R-I-S I think it's O-T-T-O. You what? Oh, very, very nice. Very nice. Very nice. Too much? Not enough? No, I enjoyed that. What is spelt risotto? It's a grain isn't it spelt with butternutsch, fresh tomatoes, green salad and seasonal fresh fruit. Wow that's a spelt th risa. th risa. th r r rt. th rt. th rissutt. I th rissutt. Spelt rissut. I th. Spelt rissutt. I thii thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi- thi-s. Spilt ri- thi. Ri. I's thi-s. Ri-spelt ri- I's thriot thriot ri- I's thi. R' ri. R' ri. R' ri. R' ri. R' ri. R. R. R. R. R. R. R. R. R. R. R. R. R. R. R. R. R. R. R. Ri. Ri. Ri-s. Ri-s. Ri-s. Ri-s. Ri-s. Ri-s. I thi-s. I's thi-s'i-s'i-s'i-s'i-s'i-s'i-s'i-s'i-s'i-s'i-s'i-s'i-s'i-s'i-s. I's thi-s. It's a grain isn't it spelt with butternut squash, fresh tomatoes, green salad and seasonal fresh fruit. Wow that's a spelt risotto. What's your chef of breakfast? Is it just like porridge and do they do breakfast there or is it to eat through the five breakfasts. Toasted oats with raisins,

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but they just give it a bit of a flare. Yeah, I think the smoked had at Kedgerie on Monday is quite a... That's a smelly dish for a load of kids in it. Oh, she's so fussy at home. Does she eat it there? Yeah, so she's, you know, at home, she's, you know, fussy over the shape of the pasta, and you're like, you're having spelt risotto and you're not kicking up a fuss. Because my daughter's like that, she has school lunches and she eats loads more different stuff there than she does a home massively.

It's ridiculous. And also she was dairy-free for a few years but we did the milk ladder and got her back on to dairy and we told us school but they just sort of didn't realize. She's been having like shit little cakes for ages and then she's been having like the cakes? She was like, yeah, we did tell them. But she's on proper cakes now. Oh, that's good. Rather than the dairy-free ones. Do you know when I was at school,

so I went to a tiny school, my primary school? There's four children in my year. Yeah, the school was normal size, just not many people. Yeah, exactly. It's just tourism, isn't it? It's tourism running the place but hated by the locals. Farmers as well, Rob. The farmers used to get at secondary school, the week of Devon County show, they'd get a week off. Like it was a the religious holiday. Really? They're just getting the week off.

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Here we go. So after listening to the Michael Sheen episode and you're talking about flying with children, I thought you might like to hear the literal shit show we had at 20,000 feet. We were flying to California to see my in-laws of our 19-month old son and I knew it was going to be hideous doing an 11-hour flight with a rampaging toddl. 19 months is a tough age because it's sort of a bit too young for iPads but old enough to run around and be bored. And probably not napping nanananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananana. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to th. th. th. thi. thi. thin. the. today. today. today. today. today. today. todd. toea. toldea. to an iPad and loads of charity shop, plastic tat and a million snacks. I thought we might just make it there without too many mishaps. Just after dinner was served, we realized our son had done a poo,

so I told my husband I'd go and change him. While I was in the queue I looked down at my foot and there was something on my white converse and I suddenly realized to my horror it was a big lump of poo that had so I escaped from his nappy. I then looked down the aisle and there were lumps of poo all the way down the walkway of the aeroplane. I threw my child at the person in front of me in the queue and started trying to pick up poo. With the baby wipes I got halfway back to our seat and they turned all the lights off off off off off off off off off off off off off off off off off. the lights tooes. too. too. the lights. the lights. So. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I'm. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. t. t. t. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. I'm. I'm. I'm. I. the baby wipes, I got halfway back through our seat and they turned all the lights off because it was sleepy time. Oh my God. So I was scrambling around in the dark trying to fight my son's boom. I thought I cleared it all up and told the air hostess who couldn't have really cared

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For the sake of this podcast you do need to do that Rob. That flight yeah I think I should I think also I think I think six and four might be okay. It's not a baby it's not toddler. Would you enjoy your holiday if you knew you had these gigs in the evening? Yeah, but we'd break it up a little bit and I'm trying to take a more Zen approach to gigging, it's like would be based in a city seeing friends and family in an apartment rather than yeah if I look because I'd have to go anyway so at least I can see the kids then and it'll be fun things doing them summer but it would be yeah any terrible stories that beat Poole at their p while at the moment Poole is winning I think we need a we need we let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let's let's let's do let's do let's do let's do let's let's let's do let's do let's do let's the the the to let let let let's to let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let's do let's do let's do let's do let's do let's do let's do let's do let's do let's do let's do a scoreboard and Poole is winning the worst flying their world story.

Worst, worst flying mishaps. Now this isn't a flying story but it is just as disgusting if not worse. Hello, Robin Josh. I've been, I'm also, the last Wales in an hour and a half, two hours, you can get the train to London really quick from Crew Station. That is a great tip if you're touring the north of Wales. Anyway, hi at Rob and Josh. I have been listening to your podcast. We had our first child on days three of lockdown in March 20 20. to. to. feed listen for me. I have a wonderful parenting story for you which I really hope makes it to your podcast I'd be over the moon. I should I should say here I've been arguing with Lou in the night because

I don't hear the children waking up at all and she's becoming furious with me and then she woke me up on purpose and I went for the toilet and she had a gun for me for being too loud going to the toilet. And I said, oh my lord would be awake unless you wake me up. And she went, I was only awake because your kids woke me up up. And it was 4 a.m. and I thought, you know what, I can't wait for Monday morning. Anyway, let's get back to the email. to the to me me. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the toluce. tooilet. tooome and I. tooome and I was, tooomeanoomean. tooomorrow. And I was, tooomorrow. And I was, tooomorrow. And I was, tooomorrow. And I was, tooomorrow, tooome, tooome, tooome. And, tooome, tooome, tooome, tooome, tooome, tooer. And, tooome, tooome, tooome, tooome, tooome, tooome, tooomorrow, tooanan, and I was, tooananan, too, and I was, and I'm, and I went, too, and I was, and I went, too, and tooanananananan. And a few times in the night with her so she was lying between us feeding for quite a while as I was enjoying the extra bit of shut-eye in hindsight probably feeding a bit too long. I sat her up and eventually in one swift moment she lent forward and projectile vomited in my husband's mouth. Oh my word oh I don't like this. He was snoozing with his mouth open slightly. Wow, the look of shock and disbelief on his face was priceless!

Oh my word. She was also very shocked and let out a loud shriek. It was without doubt the weirdest wake-up call we've encountered so far. Interest to see if you've had been woken up in a really weird or gross way by your kids. Oh my God. Thanks again for the brilliant podcast, keep them coming. Well, let's start a leaderboard of that as well. Okay, so we've got the worst stories on a flight and the weirdest, most shocking ways your children have woke you up. I find the weird creepiest is when they just stare at you. Sometimes they'll just stand there and you wake up they'll just they'll just they'll just they'll just they'll just they'll just they'll just the the the the the the the their up up up up up up their up their up and you their up and you to to to to to to to to to to their up to to to the worst to to to the worst the worst the worst to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to their their to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to their their their the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the tolde. Let's to to to to little Victorian ghost, especially because of their 90s. And only like, only old ghosts and nans wear 90s, don't they? I've never only seen one on a small person.

And it's just shocking for me, like in the middle of a night, the silhouette of a 90 floating through your bedroom. It's horrible. Now, Rob, should I quickly open a present? Yes, she still hasn't sent them them them them them them them them them them them them them sent them. Still hasn't sent them. Rose's presents from 2018 Christmas that we found. This is for Chris, who is her cousin. Cousin? Well, so far we've had the reusable coffee cup and the mini karaoke microphone.

This is... What is this? It's a reusable bottle. I'm starting to see why Rose didn't want to send them. I'm not going to lie to you Rob. Worst presents so far? Well, the thing is, I think a reusable bottle is useful. Like the taking the cold water out of your house bottle.

I've got one of them. The problem is when you see someone's range of presents next to each other, you see when they're on see that. It feels like she's got mental in Tiger. It does feel like she's got mental in Tiger. Let's not rule that out. Right. Time for today's interview. Genuinely, I say it every time. What I'm going to say it. It's, this is potentially, no, I'm going to say it. No, I'm going to say it. It's my favorite. This is Nadia Hussein. Hello, Nadia Hussein, how are you? I'm good. Hi, yeah, I tired of babysitting my mom's grandkids.

Can you have them back now, please? I'd say that is the ultimate opening line we've had. How many kids have you got, Nadia? And how old are they? So I've got two boys, teenagers, 14 and 13. At the time when I had them when they were young, one after the other, it felt like a good idea. I'm regretting that choice now because now I have two teenagers, which is a lot of hormones, a lot of acne and a lot of food. Sounds like a bake-off tent. Yes, yes, that was pretty much the bake-off tent. And then I've got my 10-year-old daughter who is basically reverted back to being a two-year-old

and she's attached to my ankles. So yeah, we're having a great time. Oh wow. Wow. So normally they'd be at school, but you're at home schooling now, presumably. Yeah, yeah. It's weird because the boys are fine, they're quite good because they're really busy. They've got lots of the schools been really good at giving them work. And my little girl is, she comes down, and she's like, I have to do something creative,

and I'm like, what does that mean? Like, that usually means she wants to bake a cake or paint something and I'm like why don't you go outside and collect flowers and and and that lasts for all of about five minutes. Yeah yeah it doesn't work. Especially when it was snowing for about a week that's a tough that's a tough creative gig isn't it? Yeah it is but what I did find was that when she said I need to do something creative and something she had a task and it's they th th th th th th th they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they th. th. to to th. the the the the the the the to to that to to to to to the. th. the. th. the. the. thi thi thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. to to to to to to to to th. to to th. to to th. th. th. the the thi the the the the. the the to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to theeeeeeee. the. the. the. the the the said I need to do something creative and something for she she had a task and it's they said do something helpful so I got her to sit down and unsubscribe to all my emails. No way. That's amazing. Nature gave me these little laborers, why not? So I got her to sit down

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Like I care how they like. Like before I suppose because I was away a lot more. I used to feel really guilty and so I'd give in a little bit more. And now because I'm at home, I'm like, let's just make each other's lives hell together. Because... Back to school signals a fresh start for students. New classmates, new teachers, new lessons. Change is in the air.

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seriousness I think sometimes we like that it's tough it's not easy just being stuck in this and I say stuck we're not stuck we're safe you know we're safe at home and you know like we love each other but to you know like we to the to love each other but everybody needs a little bit of time away from each other and there are moments where we've had really hary moments th i.. th. th. th. th. the th. to to to to to the to to the to to to the the th. to th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. th. thi. th. th. thi. I's thi. thi. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I's th. I's th. I's th. I's th. I's th. I's th. I I's th. I I's th. I's th. I I I's th. I's th. I I I's th. I th. I th. I th. I's th. I th. I's th. I's th. I's th. I'm th. I'm th. And the. And the. And to to theeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. And. And. And. And th. And th. And the. And th. And other. And there are moments where we've had really hairy moments. It's like this is getting really difficult. But that being said equally, you know, we've had, we're never going to get this experience ever again. I feel sorry for my teenagers because this is the time

where they should be going to this cinema and meeting with their friends and they've kind of, they've kind of, they've kind they've kind they've kind of, they've kind of, they've kind of, they've kind of, they've kind of, they've kind of, they've kind of, they've kind of, they've kind of,'re never going to get this time back and we've been able to spend time together that we wouldn't have had otherwise. So like one thing I realize was that sometimes I've been so busy I've not looked in their eyes and so sometimes I just hold there. I genuinely if you think about how busy we can get sometimes, how often do we just hold their faces and just look at their eyes? It's not like like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, I do, I do, I do, I hold it. A 14 year old. Yeah, he hates it, but I love it. And Nadia, you've got like the thing I remember most about like the first time you rose to fame is you've got the most kind of, your eyes really like, look at people. Do you know what I mean? Your eyes really stand out. So the idea of you holding your 14 yearyear-olds face and just staring into their eyes. It's an arresting image, Nadia. It is, but I also threaten him with taking him out of the inheritance if he doesn't look back.

It's like, I would, I would cut you out the inheritance, look me in the eyes. And that usually works. Yeah. It must be like, of all the people the people the people the people the people the people the people the people the people the people the people the people the people the people the people the people the people the people the people their their their look me in the eyes. And that usually works. Yeah. It must be like, of all the people we've spoken to, in your children's life, your life has changed so dramatically in what you were doing before. I don't know what, how old your children would have been when you did bakeoff, what was it, six or seven years ago now? Yeah, like it was, they were, my eldest was eight, so really little. And has that effect, like, how have th their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their, like, their, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. tho, tho, tho, thi. to tho, to th. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the, the, the, their, th. th. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. to, to, to, to, to, to, th was eight so really little. And has that effect like how have they adapted to that? A lot of chill people who spoke to when they've had kids like their job and their job and there's been the same throughout but did it change how you parented and stuff like that? Of course, I mean our challenges became different, you know, going out whether it's restaurants or just down the street, you know, when people recognize you.

It's not as easy anymore because I think as they've gotten older, where it felt like fun at the beginning, my eldest has become quite protective. And he's, you know, he's bigger than I am, he's bigger than me. If he doesn't like what I'm saying, you know, he just grabs me around the waist, picks me up and takes me back in the kitchen. Like he just he just picks me up. I could not get into 50s dad. He never says it. He doesn't say anything. He holds me around the waist, picks me up off the ground, takes me in the kitchen and walks out, shuts the door and he's gone. And so it's it's really it has changed as they've become older it's definitely changed. Like they had this, my eldest had a task to talk about somebody that inspires them, somebody in the public eye that inspires them and I said so you're going to be writing about me he goes don't be ridiculous. So he couldn't like, so for them they couldn't care

like the boys do not care what I do. They don't want to be a part of it. They're not interested at all. The idea that I do this, it makes no difference to them. But I remember really early on when they were having this in school when we'd just move them, because we used to live in Leeds and we'd just move them to, we'd move them to their new school. And the teacher asked him, what does your, what do your parents do? It was a question they were asking all the kids. And he didn't know what to say and I remember, we always have this conversation that's really funny because like so much has changed in the last six years and he was like, and he said, miss can you come back to me? So he couldn't work out what I do because like I don't have holidays, it's just, it's a bit, it's freelance isn't it? So for for for for he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he, he he he, he he, he he, he, he, so, he, so, he, so, he, he, he, he, he, th th th th th th th th thi, thi, thi, thi, th th th thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th... th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. So, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, th. And, th. And, th. So, th th. So, th th th thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. th th th th th th thi. to th th th thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th thi, he was like, I don't really know what she does, so he couldn't put a name up to it. And then he just said, she follows her dreams.

And I was like, oh man. Like, I to throw that on a pillow, man. That genuine, when he said that, I was like, and that sticks with me, that stays with me forever. and ultimately as parents, you know, what we do doesn't really matter as long as they believe that we're following our dreams in the hope that they'll follow theirs, and that's ultimately what I've always ever wanted. So the fact that I do this job means nothing to the boys, but my little girl can I say, she loves every second of it. Every second. When we would go out to town and people didn't recognize me, so we'd be walking past. And if people don't look at me or recognize that,

she watches, she watches to see who looks, who twitches, who might turn back ground. So she's out there watching, looking. She loves all of that. And she, when one day day we were walking past nobody recognized me I was like great day we can get on and get stuff done and she in the middle of the town center turns around walks up ahead of me about 10 yards stands in front of me turns around hands on her mouth and says oh my gosh is that Nadia

from the bakeoff and what happened? Everybody turns around. Oh, it's funny. Then I'm stuck in town for an hour, signing things, taking selfies, and I was like, whilst I don't mind any of that, I try to stay away from it when I'm with my kids. Yeah. She just stood there. And I bet the Bake-off crowd to take ages to take a their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their the they've got leather cases on their phone, they've got their

thumb over the camera, they're a bit doddery, some of them, it must be a lot. Yeah, bad angles, yeah. That's just Mary Berry, never mind everyone else. I was going to say, obviously, like, you know, because you moved, to Milton Key? Was it Milton Keynes? Yeah. So he'd be closer to London and you know, so you could get more work and stuff like that. And so how is your parenting, like the split of the parenting between you, your husband changed? You know, because I think obviously you had more time to be with the kids and stuff before I got off. So how's the split now? Is it sort of 50-50 or do you, because you both, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, the the split, the split, the split, the split, the split, the split, the split, the split, the split, the split, the split, is, is, is, is, is, is it, is it, is it, is it, is it, is it, the split, is, the split, the split, the split, the split, the split, the split, the split, the split, the split, the split, the split, the split, is, the split, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, the split, the split, the split, the split, the split, the split, the split, the split, the split, the, the split, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the split, the split How do you split the parents in? In all honesty, I moved down south for free babysitting. I didn't.

Okay. Yeah, it was mostly free babysitting because like mom's like 25 miles from me. So, okay. It's a good distance for, it's a good distance between me and my mom, but also equally very easy to get the kids to her. So it kind of works out. So yeah, it's changed dramatically. I was a stay-at-home mom. I was studying, I was going to university at the same time.

So I was between looking after the kids and studying. It was all very kind of full-on. But I still maintained to, you know, I was very lucky to be able to spend, be at home with my kids, because I think that's a luxury. You know, I think we think it is a luxury to be able to not need to work and stay at home with the kids and raise the children. And, you know, I had the best years, you know, the really cute years. Unfortunately, my husband has the, he's had the kind of the raw end of the bargain because he's now got teenagers. So it's like I had the baby cutesy stuff and naptimes, nap times and you know cute pictures and I had all of that but yeah it's definitely we don't do a whole 50-50 thing.

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Sometimes it's nice to have them to yourself. And I think he loves that. So he's had an opportunity to be with the kids in a way that he hasn't had before. So I think he really enjoys it. And also, like, we've become really good don't do the laundry. They dust the house they spend three hours on a Sunday dusting so it's hilarious. Three hours? Where do you live? Oh my god it's not it's not that big. You don't take a tink shop? How much dust is there for three kids three hours? That's nine hours of dust in Nadia. I know but that's three hours of free time. Yeah, very nice. And will they get pocket money for that or is that just sort of expected?

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They're never going to be as good as you are at laundry though Nadia. You're just so good at laundry. You're the best. You're the best. You're the best. There is. On marriage, as well, because you had to be the for them? It's weird because we had this semi-wea arranged marriage where we spoke to each other for about six months. We never actually saw each other, we never made each other, we saw maybe we maybe had

like exchange a couple of photos and luckily he photographs well. He photographs well. He didn't get catfish did you? No, he's a picture online he lives a very handsome man but as you say, he photographs well. He photographs as well as you do laundry, I'd say. He's looking great. But yeah, no, he, we had this weird arranged marriage where we kind of spoke to each other for six months, exanged a couple of photos, and the day we got engaged was the first time I'd ever seen him in person. So like, like, talk about gamble, right? Yeah, yeah. Oh, like, like, like, like, hehehe. he he he he he he he he. Oh, he. he. he. he. he. he. he. he. he. he. he. he. he. he. he. he. he. he. he's he's he. th. he. th. he. he. he. he. he. he. he. he. he. he. he. he. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He's. He's. He's th. He's t. He's t. He's t. He's t. t. He's t. He's t. He's t. He's t. He's t. He's t. He's t. He's.? Oh, he's a hearty though. I've just Google imaged him. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but nice. It's a bit too attractive to do IT.

Are you sure he's doing IT? He's not like a spy. That would be a nightmare though if you were a spy in secret and your wife one bake off. It really undermines all the spying you do. Yeah, yeah, but he does always say, you know, you work in tele and occasionally I make an appearance, wouldn't it be awful if I was ugly? And I was like, excuse me? Like, who said you weren't ugly? What's wrong with you?

Oh, sorry, we've really ruined. If you listen to this, it's not going to help me and Rob going on about how attractive you is. No, like so he's I mean like he photographs really well, but you know when I saw him the first time I like he must be good looking if I got engaged to him the first time I saw him big gamble though at 19 To be 19 got married when I was 20 Yeah, but like he's you know like beautiful face, but great also great thighs really good guy. Good to know. It's only top half up in this hello photo. So I don't know what the thigh situation. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. the the thi. thi. the thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. hea. hea. hea. hea hea th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I'm thi. I thi. thi. I thi. thi. I thi. I thi. thighs, really good thigh. Good to know. It's only top half up in this hello photo I've got, so I don't know what the thigh situation is. Just Google Nida Hussein husband Thighs, Rob. What again, I did that last week.

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like he's quite emotionally inept, and I am not. And so we're very different. We're very different, but we work. We work really well for our kids, just, you know when, like, no, I don't want to do that to them because, like, you know when they're old enough to find husbands and wives and settle down, I want to be in a sports car traveling the world. I don't want to be doing all of that. You don't want to be like to be like to be like to be like to be like the the the to be like the the tha tha thin thin thin thin thin thin thin thin thin thin thin thin thin, like thin, like thin, thin' thin, thin, thin' thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thin, thin, thin, thin, to be to be to be thin, thin, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thi, thin, thin, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thveling the world. I don't want to be doing all of that. Yeah, you don't want to be like recruitment. You don't be like head hunting. It's a right there, a recruitment consultant. And that's such a big recruitment, isn't it?

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worked out. It's luck of the draw and it's you know hard work and definitely don't want that for my kids because I kind of want them to have the freedom to do whatever they want to do and find their own happiness and be able to make. Because you have to be, you have to make mistakes to learn. So they've got to, they've got to go through that, through their life. Plus I want to be in a sports car driving around Europe. Please, I don't want to be doing any of that. Your book you've written this book like for you, like kids, and it's weird now because I imagine you wrote this book like for you like kids and they're much too old for it now to enjoy it you know that your teenage boys so is it do you feel a bit like I wish I wrote that a few years earlier

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And he said, what have I done? I said, I've made it to the final 12. When he came home that night, I said, you're gonna have to call them that I died, I said, you're gonna have to call them, and he said, no, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I, I did, I, I, I did, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, did, I, did, did, did, did, did, did, did, did, did, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th., th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th.'m dead. I died and they'll be really sad for you, just tell them. And he said, no, you call them and tell them you died. And that doesn't work, does it? No, because you're just going to have to do it now. So he kind of pushed me, knowing very well that I was stronger than I led myself to believe. And it was tough doing bake-off, it was tough doing all of that. And the fact that I get to do, you know, like the fact that I get to call it my career,

sometimes it really, I can't even say the words, you say like, I always stumble when it comes, I was like, oh yeah, I keep saying, oh yeah, you know, my mom still says, are you done? Are you done yet? I'm like, my, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I, I, I'm, I'm, I, I'm, I'm, I'm, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I can, I can, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the the the the the the the the the the the fact, the fact, the fact, the fact,? Are you going to go home to your kids yet? And when she says that, it spurs me on to just keep going even more because I get to, it's hard, let's face it, growing up within the community I did, like it's the simple thing of being more successful and earning more than men in my family, it's hard for people in within our community to take. So that is quite a difficult thiiiiiiii thine thine thine thy thy thy thy thy thy thy thy thy thy thy thy to thy. I to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to. to. to. the. the. the. the. the. the. try. try and try and try and try and try and too. too. too. too. toe. toe. toe. toe community to take. So that is quite a difficult thing and sometimes I try and shy away from that and actually rather than shying away from it, I should embrace that because I love what I do and if you'd ask me five years ago I had

said to you, do you know what? No, just can we just talk about the simple things like baking and that's it. I don't want to talk about anything else and cooking and being in the kitchen, nothing else. But like five years on I understand the responsibility. You know I as a young kid did not grow up reading books that I could relate to or watch television and watch someone that I could relate to. Yeah of course. You know and I often as a teenager asked myself if I don't see myself, do I even exist? And now, you know, as somebody who works in publication in television, as a Muslim, you know, first generation British child of an immigrant, Bengali brown woman, you know, so often I saw myself as one dimensional

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that that's such an interesting story about your husband coming home you didn't want to go on the bakeoff. And I think being honest about that, people would presume that you're writing your cookbooks, you're writing your children's books, you've written a novel a you've got TV shows, you've got everything. And I think it's really important, like I think that's so important as a message that you still do struggle with anxiety and panic and stuff like that. And for people to know that those two things can exist together, that doesn't mean that their life is just trapped, if you know what thi..... thi. thi.. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, I I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I'm, I'm, I'm thi. And, I'm thi. And, I'm thee. And, I'm, I'm thi. And, I'm thi. And, I'm thi. And, I'm thi. if you know what I mean. Yeah, they can, they're no, there's no, you don't have to exclusively be one or the other. You can have both. And I think so often I get asked people like, oh, you're so happy and you're so, like

you seem like you've got it all together. And that's not true. you know, like pretending and painting on a smile is a big part of just getting through. And one of the best things I ever did was to be honest about my mental health, because you know what it's like, when you put something like that out in the public, in the public forum like that, you know, you get people who support you but equally get the other side which is, because you know, social media is a cesspit of negativity, let's face it. It can be great, but it can be so negative and that whole kind of bandwagon mentality that kind of like, oh you're just a celebrity who's just doing it to sell books. And that's not true at all,

you know, like I would not, like, anyway, if I couldn't make this up, you couldn't make this up, you can't. When you have it, you know you have it, and it was a choice for me to be honest about it because one thing that was really important for me was to show vulnerability, not just to people but also to my children. They needed to see that I can be vulnerable because it's not healthy for the time. It's unrealistic to to to to to to to the their their their their their their their their their their their th, th, th, th, thi thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and their, and their, and their, and their, and I, and I, and I, and their, and I, and their, and their, and their, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thin, thin, thin, their, thin, tho, thoooooooooo, thooooooooooooo, their, their, their, and their, and their, and to show them that you have to be strong all the time. Yeah, it's unrealistic, isn't it? For young people, young Muslim women watching you,

and if you never show any vulnerability, you think, well, I can't do that, she's superwoman. But if they know that you do struggle, and it's a constant progression of improvement in yourself and understanding your own mental health. And I think that opens it up more where sometimes you do just see these bulletproof people and you think that's impossible that can't be attained. But I think if you're all human like you are, it's so refreshing. And I wanted to ask you, but with the anxiety, because I did the bake-off special, a slept one and I can't, it was one of the most intimidating sets I've ever been in. And I've done tellady for the tell-I tell-I the tellaintellaintelliped, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, I'm, you're, you're, I'm, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you.... I'm, you, you. I'm, you. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I'm, you, you, you're, you're, you're, th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th to-augh, th th th th thin. th th th th th stand up. I'm used to people looking at me, but as soon as you start baking, all the cameras come on you and it's like a bit overwhelming and then especially

even when you're cooking in your own kitchen and you've got a flip over a sponge, it's a bit of, oh God is it going to work type moment. But you literally hear 20 people go right, it's flipping the sponge, go to go over, go over and 20 people and cameras are like like 20, and 20, and 20, and 20 overwhelming and like I was doing it with like Daisy Ridley a Hollywood actress and I was trying to burk from the next fact and everyone was getting panicky and stressed and you know I didn't even really care how well it went. I was sort of there for the charity thing but if you're into baking you've got anxiety how did you cope with that sort of pressure? I would have I think I would have just just just just just just just just just th have just th have just th have just th have just th have just th have just th.. I would have just flipped out if it was me 10 years ago. I don't know about you, but I think, you know, when they employ the people on Bakeoff, like, I think, do you think there's like a chart on how cruel a person can be

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you've almost got 12 people to hide behind. It was much harder near the end when there was just three of us and the tent was very sparse, very empty. And even the crew, you know, like, I don't know if there's like a hold for the crew where, like, one minute you've got like, the, the, the, the, the, there, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, tho, tho, tho, tho, th, th, th, th, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, to, is, too, too, too, is, tooooooooooooooooooooooooo, ta, te, tent in terms of crew and then suddenly there's like 15 you're like where the other's gone is there like is there a big yellow storage box you put them in? To the next series and where have they all gone but it gets it's so much more anxiety-inducing the smaller it gets but I found myself really because you can't have your phones on you and they're taken the the the the their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their. their. their. their. their. I's their. I's. I's. I's. I'm. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. their. I's. their. their. the other. the other. the other. the other. the other. the other. the other. their. their. their. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. their. I'm. their. I'm. I'm. I'm. their. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. their. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I can't have your phones on you and they're taken away in a box before you even start, so you don't see your phone until the end of the day.

And so I used to, like you can't even distract yourself with things online, and so I used to go to the toilet and sit there and have panic attacks and and, yeah, I used to have have I used to say I need to go for a wee and then I would go and have a panic attack and then come back. But I think because I was so invested in in in these bakes that baking has always been my happy place and I think even with the cameras and the distractions, you know when I really just forgot about all of that I could just concentrate on my baking and I think that got me, I that me. I think in some. I, I, I, I, I, I, and to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to th, th, th, th th th th go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go go go go go go to go go go, go to go and have to go and have to go and have to go and have to go to go and have to go to go to go to go to go to go, and have to go to go to go the the the the the the the the the to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the panic tha, the panic the panic tha tha the panic tha tha tha tha tha tha tha the panic tha tha the panic tha I really just forgot about all of that I could just concentrate on my baking and I think that got me, I think in some ways that got me through. What would you say to someone who is listening to this that's kind of having panic attacks but isn't kind of talking to anyone about them? What would you say they would be the best thing for them to do? I think this year has been really thi...... their. their. their. I'm their. their. I'm their. I'm their. I'm their. I'm their. I'm their. I'm th. I'm their, th. I'm th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. I'm, thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. the. the. the. the. the. I, thin, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, the. their, to. their, their, their, their, their, the. I the. I the. I the. I to do. I think this year has been really tough, hasn't it? And I think my kids are really struggling with their own mental health and as are, you know, family members and people around me. And it's really tough to be there for anyone because what you want to do is just go and hold someone because sometimes that's kind of all they need is just to be held. And it is it's their it's their it's their it's their it's their it's thi. It's thi. It's thi. It's thi. It's thi. It's thi. It's thi. It's thi. It's thea. It's thea. It's thea. I's thea. It's just. I's thea. I's. I's. to be. thea. to be. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's t. It's the. It's the. It's the. It's the. It's the. It's the. It's thea. It's thea. It's thea. It's thea. It's thea. It's the the the. It's t t to tough year and I've kind of had to hold myself because I haven't got anybody else to hold.

So for anyone who is struggling out there, one of the hardest things is talking about it and be, and to physically allow those words to come out of your mouth, but once the words have come out of your mouth, when you say I need help, I'm struggling or I need you to be here for me, to be able to say that is one of the hardest things when you're suffering with anxiety. And once you've allowed those words to come out of your mouth, you've done, that's half the battle. I promise you, that is half the battle being able to say it out loud.

And it took me a long time to be able to allow myself to be vulnerable. So for anyone out there who has, even if you don't have lots of family around you, if it's your neighbor or a friend or somebody you can text, anybody, make contact, speak to somebody, that is the first step in helping yourself. That's what I would say to anyone who hasn't spoken out loud about how they, how they're feeling. I think that's, sometimes sometimes sometimes sometimes sometimes sometimes sometimes sometimes sometimes sometimes sometimes sometimes sometimes sometimes sometimes sometimes sometimes sometimes sometimes sometimes sometimes sometimes to to to to to to to to to to to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be the the th. the th. th. thi. the. the. the. the. thean. thean. thean. thean. thean. thean. thean. thean. thii. toe. toe. to about how they're feeling.

That's great advice. And I think sometimes you'd be surprised that they may be feeling the same as well. And you can sometimes find a common ground with people that are also struggling. I think men struggle to open up and say, I'm not, you know, because I think there's this sense that men have to always. I think vulnerability and women seem to people think that they naturally go hand in hand and so when women say I'm feeling shaky or I'm not feeling good, it almost feels like it's more acceptable than when a man says it's and I think men have this this whole thing where they have to be strong all the time. I mean I push my husband, I'm like cry just cry just cry

just cry just cry, just cry, be vulnerable. It's, you know, anything. Have you tried grabbing his face and staring into his eyes? Maybe if I tell him, like, it's really hot when men cry, maybe that'll make him. Maybe that might work. But he doesn't, I'm like, please, anything. So I think being vulnerable is so important and allowing people, because it allows you to allow people in and I think it's really hard for men. I think it's men really struggled with that. So especially to men, I think, you know, if you've got somebody you're close to and that you can speak to comfortably, then you absolutely should.

And also workplaces are becoming much better at having the facilities to help people who are struggling, especially right now. So, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, please, thi, please thi, thi, the, to please, to please, to please, to please, to please, to please, to please, to please, to please, to please, to please, right now. So you know, find out if your workplace has got any sort of scheme where you can, you know, where they help with your mental health because it is so much more available now than it was a few years ago so you know research, dig deep. There's a charity I work, the Matt Palmer Trust, a friend of mine, we lost sadly, but he, so it's helping people with mental health problems. And the charity have started up these mental health first aid courses that if you go to the MacPalmTrust website, you can basically sign up and they teach you how to become like a mental health, health and safety person so that if you're in an office environment you can

be aware of behaviors and stuff and it teaches you how to approach that person and how to offer support. So if you are, you know, listening, you were a part of a company, you can go to the Marma Trust website and sign up to one of their courses and it sort of helps you be aware of and how to help people that are struggling, which I think is quite a good thing to have. Because you know, you have people in offices in HR that help with their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their thr, thr, thr, thrushe, thrass, thrusha, their thrusthomomats, thus, thus, thus, their their their part part part part part part part part part part part part part part part part part part part, their, their, their, their, their, their, their part part part, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, thr, thr, true, true, true, true, true, true, true, true, true, true, true, true, true, tined in how to spot someone struggling and how to offer them support that they need. Exactly. Yeah, absolutely. It's quite a delicate thing but I think it's so inspiring Nadia and so I have these conversations with Romesh quite a lot where you know as a very famous Asian person in his country. Yes I love Romish. We really wanted you to go never heard of him. the the the wee. We th. We th. We th. We really really. We really. We really. We really. We really. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thin, th. th. th. It's, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, th. It was, th. It was, th. It's, th. It's, th. It's, th. It's, th. It's th. It's quite, th. It's quite, th. It's quite, th. It's quite, th. It's up, all that was on the tele, was like, goodness gracious me, which is brilliant and comedy, and then San Jan Geeter and EastEnders. That's not the only Asian people on the tele.

Yeah. And you know, you sort of have to fold your own path really. And I think what both of you are doing is so incredible and it's really to be admired. And I think your kids, you know, even now they're 13 and 14 and pretend they don't care, but you know deep down they're walking around with pride knowing you're writing these books and doing what you're doing. So it's such an amazing story. There's this thing that we say, like my kids growing up as second generation Brits, it's like you would think that their struggles are, I suppose, part me hoped that they wouldn't have the same struggles that we had growing

up. And unfortunately, you know, those struggles still exist and in terms of representation, they certainly don't see representation, it's great to see your mom on tele, but they get really excited when they see other people that they can like, when they see Ramesh, but let's just stop talking about him. I'm the Asian on this podcast. Let's have to talk about him anymore, but like he had his moment, that's it, done. Yeah, one in one out policy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you can't have two at once. Come on. You want to progression, but you don't want to lose work, dear no.

Let's spread the Asians out, please. But yeah my kids you know like I'd love to think that you know my kids aren't going to have the same problems that I did. Certainly there'll be less than the ones that I had but they their problems will still be there and there's something that we we have this kind of mantra in our house. We say whenever we feel like we walk into a situation which I do all the time I walk in to a set and there's their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their. their. their. I'm their. I'm their. I'm their. I'm their. I'm their. I'm their. I'm their. I'm their. I'm their. I'm their. I'm their. I their. I their. I their. I their. I their. I their their. I their. I their. I their. I'm their. I'm their. I'm their. I'm their. I'm their. I'm their. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm their. I'm their. I'm th. I'm t. I'm together. I'm together. I'm together. I'm together. I'm together. I'm together. I'm together. I'm their their. I'm their. I'm a situation where I'm the only person, whether it's Muslim, being brown or a woman, you know, like I walk in on a set and there's 50 people and I'm the only one there and there's a problem, you know, that's a big problem, something needs to change and or whether it's a meeting, you know, I still to this day go into meetings feeling like, oh gosh, it's just me. And even now I struggle, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. that, that, th. th. th, th, th, th, th, th, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th, th, th, th, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, their, their, their, their, that, that, that, that, their, their, that, their, there, there, that, there, there, there, there, there have the same situations going into certain settings that they go into. So we have this thing that we say and we say elbows out. Now if you like physically stick your elbows out, like you're making space for yourself.

But I'm not saying go and get stick your elbows and barge everyone. But it's a thing, you know, whenever they feel like they don't fit in, I tell them elbows out, make space for you first. You've got to make space for you in order to make space for others. And as a grown-up, I have to often tell myself elbows out. I literally whisper it in my own head. Because if I don't make space for me, how will I make space? Like how do I forge that path? If I don't say th space to to tha tha tha tha tha. to th path if I don't say that I belong here, this is my space. Like I'm not asking to take anyone's space. I'm saying I need to create my own and that's really important for my kids growing up to know

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We always finish with the same question. And it's basically, is there something that your husband does that annoys you in his parenting that you can't really say to him about turning into a row, but you know deep down you're right and he's wrong. Is there something that niggles at you a little bit? Is everything an answer? So you know what it is? He's like, we're both quite like discipline. So we just like, we like order in our house. We always go on about like, right, we like discipline

and we like to, we like order in the house. And obviously that's kind of relaxed a little bit since being at home a lot. But I feel like I, I feel like we secretly made this plan, that we were gonna have order in our house, and we were gonna have these rules, tha, tha, tha, the rules, the rules, the rules, the rules, the rules, the rules, the rules, the rules, the rules, the rules, the rules, the rules, the rules, the rules, the rules, the rules, the th, th, th, th, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to have order in our house and we were going to have these rules when we had children. I stuck to it and he didn't and that's not it. And he, some way in between all of that, decided that he was going to spend hundreds of pounds on Nerf guns and now he's the better parent somehow. And I'm saying, like, hey, he's the populist.

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can I just say, conservatories are hot and steaming turds are no fun in here. And he locks me in here and says, you stay here, and then he ransacks the entire house, and he plays the kids just before bedtime. Can you see why? he riles them up before bedtime? Not okay. He broke the pact. He broke. You're jealous, aren't you? You're jealous that he's the Nerf gun guy and they love it. I can show. I'm the one that does really good laundry and spends three hours

dusting on a Sunday. Nadia it's genuinely been I thr it's my favourite interview we've done. It's been absolute joy. Thank you so much for doing it. And keep it up, what you're doing is invaluable. It's really impressive. Well done, Thank you. What's the name and date of the book? Again, I know it, Nadia. I'm testing you. Today I'm strong and it's first of April. First of April, correct. Right. Thank you so much, Nadia. Thank you. It's been an absolute pleasure. Honestly, it's like speaking to old friends, familiar voices.

It's been lovely. Thank you. Oh, thank you very much. Um, that was amazing. Absolutely much. Oh, she's. You know what? I'd seen Nadia on the Bake-Off and seen on a few things, but I just didn't realize how incredible she is. It feels like whatever she chose to do, if it would be baking or presented, or she's funny as well, she did comedy.

She's just so, she's got this energy in her being, I think, without sounding too much, a kind of absolute wanker. But she, but do you know, I mean, she just, she just, she just, light, light, light, light, light, light, light, light, light, light, light, light, light, light, light, light, light, light, light, light, light, light, light, light, light, light, light, light, light, light, light, light, light, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she's, she, she's, she's, she, she, she, she, she, she, she's, she's, she's, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's energy to whatever she's doing and passionate and I think it's so inspiring and she's she's really got a head screwed on hasn't she? It's nice to see someone that sort of come from sort of quite a humble background of like studying and a bit of baking to now like hugely successful but feeling like she deserves to be there. Totally. Rother than like oh I'm lucky to be here I'm a girl done. to thrown, tho's. their she she's. thin, thiiiiiiiiiiiiiii, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, that, tho, thoomorrow, thoomorrow, thoomorrow, thoomorrow, that, tho-a, tho-a, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, tho, tho, tho, thooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo-a, thoooooooooooooooo, tho what, I'm good at what I do and I've got a voice that needs to be heard. Like I know she won Baker for whenever it was six or seven years ago, but like when you read what she's done since then, it's just such a kind of lesson in someone who's been offered an opportunity and just done so much with it. And not just done the same stuff but push themselves to do all these different things and I think it's just so important how honest she is about things and I don't want to overstate it but I think she's one of the most important cultural figures in the UK

at the moment in many ways. Fucking ill mate. No but do you know what I mean? I know I know I'm just saying I know more Romash you justash. Oh yeah, more Romash, you just fucking gets his kids out. But you know what I mean? Like in the what Nadia represents when she says she speaks for such that she... Yeah, it's so honestly, I know what you mean. It's so true. And I think it's so true. And I think it's so thea. You know, like everything in the media at the moment is so right right right so right so right so that's so right so right so that's so right. the that's so right. the the that's so right. the that's so right. that's so right. the that's so right. that's so right. that's so right. that's so right. that's so right. that's so right. that's so right. th. th. that's so right. that's so right. that's so right. that's so right. that's so right. that's so right. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. th. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. I. I. I's. I's. I's. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I to. I th. I th. I th. of hear like a topical reference I'm looking for Rob. I don't remember anymore. I mean Jones, he's a bit annoying, don't you know, people are either so annoyed, like, well I think she's just in the middle, she's so normal and she's got such a good heart and she's just trying to show that female British Muslim that is funny, silly can be successful, can her money doesn't have to do the traditional stay-at-home-mom things and all that kind of stuff and I think it's really inspiring on like a number of different reasons. So yeah, no, good honor and also her husband's

size sound absolutely incredible. They sound as delicious as her cakes. They sound as delicious as her cakes. But yeah, it's great, I enjoyed that. I'm a bit concerned though, we're getting too, are we getting too serious? Is this still a funny podcast? I don't want to become like, you know, one of them comedians that think they're serious. I just don't want to be running for London mayor in five years. But not for a laugh. I think we all don't want you to be running for London Mary and five wheels off.

No, absolutely brilliant from the idea. Thank you. Her book is out first of April. It's called, today I'm strong. And paperback as well. That's always the best. It's out in paperback. First of April, which let's be honest. It's so stiff neck, Rob. It's just too hard to carry around. You've got to have it on the shelf. I I I I I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. the the paper. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. the. thea. thea. toda. toda. today. today. today. the. tha. the. thi. the. First. it? It's just too hard to carry around. You've got to have it on the shelf. No thanks. I'll wait for paperback. Eight quid, insane twist. When you buy a hard back, you get a hard back book for Christmas. You buy a hard back book like a novel.

There's no, there's no way I'm taking that on the tube. if next is a nightmare. Thank you very much. Cheers guys. And we'll see you next time. See nex time. See next time.