Parenting Hell with Rob Beckett and Josh Widdicombe - S02 EP9: Jamelia

Episode Date: February 19, 2021

ROB BECKETT & JOSH WIDDICOMBE'S 'LOCKDOWN PARENTING HELL' S02 EP9: Jamelia Joining us in the studio this episode to discuss the highs and lows of parenting (and life) during the lockdown and beyond is the brilliant singer and presenter, Jamelia. Enjoy. Rate and Review. Thanks. xxx If you want to get in touch with the show here's how:EMAIL: [e-mail]: @lockdownparent INSTAGRAM: @lockdown_parentingA 'Keep It Light Media' Production Sales, advertising, and general enquiries: [e-mail] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Oh, there we go. I cut him off, sorry. Yeah. I just wanted to know his name. Thank you. Aw. There we go. I cut him off, sorry. Yeah. I just wanted to know his name. My name is Kevin Hughes from Northern Ireland, and I absolutely love the podcast. I'm picking some great tips as I have one child but more of my suspecting number two in May. Here is my three-year-old son, Oliver. Well, thank you very much. Oliver. Good work Ollie. There we go. Now, Rob.

Yes, mate. We've got a special with me, pregnancy spesh. Well, we promised. We've got some emails. Well, we've promised. We've got some emails. You know, those stories we've had had, about people that gave birth without realizing they're pregnant? Yes. Would you want a few more of them that we've had sent in? Because they've. they b b b b b b b b b b b. their. their. their. their. their. their. to blow. to blow. to blow. to blow. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. We. We. We. We. to. to. We. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. the the the the the to. the the to. the to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. We. can't get the head round that. Anyone would be surprised, but let's do this. I'm ready for it. How's your week been, though, Josh? We should probably cover that quickly. Are you okay? All good.

Just nothing happening, waiting for March. Yep, same here. Right, dear Rob and Yeah, I lost one. That's like a pissed dog. I said that I knew what every word was. I like yourself thought the nor is it in pregnant stories were absolute bullshit and made up solely for the pages of take a break. However, that all changed when my 19-year-old niece walked in from her friends

white as a sheet and shaking. She'd gone over to her friends and was greeted by her very panicked friend, covered in blood. And the words, get upstairs, my sister has just had a baby. My niece dropped her belongings, legged it upstairs and entered the bathroom to see what she described as a horror movie with a baby on the bathroom floor and the sister stood stock still still with a look of what the fuck just happened on her face. My niece very sweetly picked the baby up, wrapped it in a towel, paramedics arrived within minutes of the baby arriving, so all was well. Basically the sister, early 20s and about to go to uni had her baby delivered by a group

of 19-year-old girls. Oh my mate, just her mate, a sister and her mates. She had complained about stomach pains and was in a bad way before the baby made appearance. Other than that, she'd been having a period and going about a normal 20s carefree lifestyle. She had no idea whatsoever that what she thought was going to be a massive poo turned out to be a baby. Oh my god. Safe to say how did you deliver a baby? I really wouldn't fancy my chances. No disrespect to you, Josh, as well. But if I was in a house of someone giving birth and you was out in the corner of a few other people, you would not be my first choice.

I don't know why. And I don't think I would be other people's first choice. No, exactly. What someone's solid and dependable? There's doctors like Jack D. No you can't have Jack he's not a doctor was a doctor. Oh well Harry Hill yeah obviously he's doctor. heel yeah obviously he's doctor. Paul Sinar was a GP but I don't think Paul Sinar but I don't know I don't know about his bedside manner and I just couldn't do that. Word did you conceive and I will tell you the postcode.

Wow I got so she had no idea oh my god. This is such a weird special. Poor Jamilia! What a lead into Jamilia people are going to be shell-shots. She loves the podcast he's a fan absolutely adore the podcast says this email please keep me anonymous as I'm not entirely sure if my friend would want this story broadcast although it's become infamous at uni when I was in my third year at uni I had a sports coach who was a couple years older than us she was super lovely but but was having a bit of a rough time as she'd recently split up with her boyfriend she'd'd split up with her boyfriend, who was another student at the uni, as she had

come to the realization that she was in fact a lesbian, so she broke up with him. A few months on, she's doing better. One evening, she fails to turn up to one of our training sessions, which we all thought was weird as she's normally super reliable. Several phone calls the tha thap, leaving a text saying we hoped everything was all right. Things were not all right. My friend had been roughing another match earlier that day, suddenly collapsed with back pain. To enrust a hospital where she'd been told that she was in fact four centimeters, four centimeters dilated, mere minutes away from having a baby. Oh my god. Imagine that. Imagine that. the thin thing thing thing th. thing thing th. th. thing thing thing thing th. I thing thing thing thing thing th. I be in hospital for like two hours trying to get to four-centred. You know, with it going to another centimeter,

ref in the game as well. I mean, you know, imagine that. VAR's taken a lot of pressure off that that job though, Rob, so you know. The baby was delivered and miraculously was completely healthy. Oh yeah, yeah. quicker to give birth than it is to bloody judge an offside, isn't it? The baby was delivered and miraculously was completely healthy. Two years on and both mom and dad are fantastically co-parenting, have a beautiful, healthy toddler to answer your questions on how she didn't know she was pregnant. She was on a diet and was losing weight at the same rate the baby was growing. She even commented on how much she was dying. It wasn't losing any weight.

You'd be fuming, wouldn't you? Absolutely livid. Due to complications as a teenager, she'd been told she was unlikely to have children. So birth control wasn't an issue. In that sense, a baby girl was something of a miracle baby. Yeah, it was, wouldn't it? And what's the score of the game she was refing? We won't do a special again. I think they're a strong taste to have too many of them in a right, Rob. We can both agree that. It's quite full on, yeah. I do.

I do. I got true. Instagram ones that here we go boy. This is from Lauren. Just thought this towel would amuse you. My husband has put motion sensors for the lights in our hallway and upstairs landing, which it sounds like the most dad move ever. Yeah. You keep leaving these lights on. While to understand the thought process behind this, the problem is if you are still for too long, then you are plunged into darkness. But then I would argue who stood still with a hallway. Yes. Yeah, it's not like those ones in toilets. We're going and they've got the motion sensor. I think a hallway area is fine. Anyway, they were plunged into darkness.

This happened to me and a three-year-old. I told him that the lights would come on if he stood up. He was amazed and immediately declared on the lights of his superpowers and it was very cute and heartwarming. Fast forward to this week when he decides if anyone else switches the lights on that he will have a five-minute screaming temper tantrum because he wanted to do it and it is very hard not not to accidentally turn on the lights and such we have had the temper tantrum over and over again. My husband won't take the motion sensors down and Hugo is showing no sign of lessening

the intensity of his tantrums. Please send wine from Lauren. I think that's quite a bolshing move, motion sensors in a hall. In your house, I think it's too much. I mean, why do you and your lights in your house? Oh, this one will annoy you, Josh. This is, well, exciting though. This is from Little Island Yogi.

Hey, and five E's in the middle of Hay. And I was like, why has that happened? And then when you read it, it explains why this person's so happy. When you get all this correspondence, this person for some reason is so much happier than everyone else that gets involved. Hey, Robin Josh, in your last podcast, you ask for people to say where they're listening from, and I think I may be your only listener in the say shells. Oh, come on. I'm 28 and childless. I hate this person. 28 and childless in the Seychelles. Oh my God. But I love your podcast. You make my drives around the island that much more entertaining. Yes. Say Shales would be a great place for a live lockdown hell show as we're

as we're COVID-free and have sunshine all year round. I don't know if the overheads were to cover the show. Can we put a block on people being able to listen in the Seychelles? Because I'm not happy about this. Until we're out of lockdown, people that are in lockdown should be allowed to listen. That should be the new rule. Yeah. If you're listening in New Zealand, piss off. Oh I think they're in a five day. Oh okay, welcome back. I don't know if that's still gone. Well, ha ha ha ha. Josh should we introduce to introduce the to introduce to introduce to introduce to introduce to introduce to introduce to introduce to introduce to introduce to introduce to introduce to introduce to introduce to introduce to introduce to introduce to introduce to introduce to introduce to introduce to introduce to be the to be the the to be the to be the to be to be to be to listen to be to be to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to be to be to listen to listen to listen to listen to listen to listen to listen to listen to listen to listen to listen the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thu. thi. thi. the. the. the. the. the. to to to to to to the. to the. to tho. tho. tho Yeah, I absolutely love this interview. She was honest, she was funny. She's got an amazing setup to talk about in lockdown. And also, it's amazing to talk to someone who was a fan of the show.

that was nice, wasn't it? Normally we have to sort of embarrassingly explain what it is to someone, much more high profile than us, haven't we but luckily Jamilia put the shift in but yeah enjoy the show but Jamilia was lovely and really funny so we'll see you after that we'll chat after with me have you listened to the podcast Jamilia I absolutely bloody lovely I begged my manager to email you guys I was like please I want to be up in it that's so lovely Jamila because normally we have to pathetically explain it to to the guests to know we've the the they please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please I I the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the to to to to to to to to to to to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th th the the the the the the the the the the theee a thee thee the the the the the the the the they normally we have to pathetically explain it to the guests. To know we've got you on board already, that's amazing.

So let me just tell you how and why I was compelled to be a part of this, because I'm such a big fan. I've listened to, I'm sure, every single episode, but every time I'm like, oh, yeah, but you haven't done it with teenagers and a toddler. And it's kind of like, you know that parenting competition. Yeah. So yeah, and I feel like I've won. So that's the only reason I'm here. Fair enough to claim your crown.

You're the best parent in the UK. Probably the worst. One of them. So what's your setup Jamilor at home? Can you explain it to us and the listers? Oh gosh, how much time have you got? So I've got a 19 year old, she's going to be 20 in March. I've got a 15 year old and then I've got a bonus son who is my husband's son and then I have a toddler who's just turned three. Whoa. Here we go. Have I won? Oh God, that is a real combat. Are they all in the house over lockdown or is it? So as some step-parents will know, in lockdown you have kind of rules where the stepchild can, I hate the term stepchild by the way, which is why I called him my bonus son. But yeah, so he's been back and forth, which as someone who's a little bit of a germophob, I'm a bit like, yeah, but what's he doing when he's there? And he still goes to school because his mom's a key worker, so I'm like, yeah, but who's he in the class

with? And it's just, yeah, but then obviously, you know, he comes here and, you know, yeah, hose him down in the garden and let it is he he he he he joking, we don't do that, we don't do that. And how old is he? How old is he? He's 10? No, no, no, he's 11. Oh, that's really bad. He's 11. He's 11, just 10, 11.

So in the house sort of full time you have a 20-year-old daughter, daughter as well. And then your bonus son that comes and goes between the parents. Yes. And oh my god, so that that is, so you've got there, I genuinely think this is a top trump winner here. You've got a toddler, a bonus son and then teenage daughters and a daughter's turning into a 20-year-old woman. Do you look, Rob, when we start an interview usually, occasionally I think, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, thah, thah, th and th and th is, thian, thian, thian, thian, the th is, thian, the the thi, thi, thi, I'm, thi, I'm, thi, thi, I'm, I'm the thi, I'm thi, I'm thi, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's the the thi, I's thi, I's thi, thi, thi, tho, thoomoomoomorrow, thoomorrow, thoomoomorrow, thoomorrow, thoing, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, I'm think, poor, is there going to be enough in this for 45 minutes? This one, I'm like, where the fuck do I start? Oh wow, Jamelian, this is outrageous.

So let's start with a three-year-old, Jamilia. So let's start with her. Does the rest of the family, does that actually make having a three-year-old easier? Because she can be, you know, there's, I presumably your 19-year-old and your 15-year-old are kind of, you know. You know, people always say that, oh, you've got to live-in babysitters. No, you haven't. You haven't. You haven't. and they help when they feel like it and a living babysitter you're paying them and you've got to do it when we tell you to do it so it's not the same I've even offered the money by the way and they still don't help so that's just

a myth. I'm not going to lie my 19 year old is very helpful but I still kind of okay so here's a thing I'm working from home which is really weird for me, and so I'm kind of like saying to them, I need the nursery experience, so I need it to be as if I've sent my daughter off to nursery, but I don't necessarily want to send her to nursery, which is why she's now currently just being dropped off to nursery, because it didn't bloody work. That's basically where we are. But yeah, the living babysitter thing is just a total myth and at the same time you know I did push her out, they didn't ask for her, you know, it's just... Yeah. Also I

think it's hard to get a 15-year-old girl to tidy their bedroom, never mind look after a child for eight hours. Well as you realize I didn't mention the 15-year-old. She just, just no. Non-starter on Helper Movie. Yeah, just no. Because it's like, you leave her, so I'd leave, my youngest is called true, and she's three, and you'd leave her. And I'm telling you within 10 minutes, there's some altercation. They argue, she's only three, but she argues with the 15 year old or it's just

it's always carnage or one of them starts crying. It's just like, okay, I can't, I just can't be bothered, just give it to me. And is the 15 year old, she homeschooling then? So I was homeschooling her before. That was a big so, as if you like, oh, let's break this down. You'll notice I said was, okay, so I was homeschooling her for two years before lockdown. Oh wow. The thing is, with homeschooling, traditionally, you get to go out, you know, you still get to socialize, and it's been totally different to the point where we've signed her up for school. Obviously this was before she, before we've had another lockdown, yay!

Yeah so we've signed her up for school and so now I don't do any of the school work with her, she's doing it through school and so she's still kind of homeschooling. Does she do it? That's the thing, that's what's so annoying like when I was homeschooling her, it was such a chore just to get her to, you know, do anything or get the work done. But let a teacher online, Miss Harris online say, right, you got to do this, oh, beautifully presented, like all of her work is just gorgeous. I'm just, you know, whatever it takes toakes to get us through the day. So what was it home schooling when it was so you homeschooled for two years when there wasn't any lockdown it was just she could have gone school she wanted but you decided to do homeschooling. Yes.

And why did you choose that option and how was it? Do you know what she had a rough time when she first started secondary school so she was year year year year year year year year year year the year the year the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their their th. their th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, tho, tho, thi, tho, the thooooo, th. So, th. So, thooooo, thoooo, tho, tho, so tho, so she was year seven. And also I had just had, I just had true at the time. So it was, there was a lot of change, a lot of time and I really feel like it affected her mental health and so I just thought, you know what, the best thing, I've homeschooled my daughters aren't enough throughout the years anyway. And so yes, I just thou, come home, I could teach, I th you that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, their, that, that, their, their, their, their, tho, their, th.. th. th. th. th. their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, th. And, their, thr, thr, thr, true. true. true, true, true, true, true, true, true, true, true, true, true, true, just thought, okay, well, you know, come home, I could teach you, I've done it before, and it was fine. We were absolutely fine until the bloody lockdown. Yeah, that's because you can't go out, you know, and do anything outside or, you know, if they used to go for a run or go, you know, still do that. But like, there's no socializing at all or just like, there's no, there's no, there, there, there, no, no, no, go go trampilining for Pee and stuff like that so it was fun yeah I mean it wasn't all but now it's just like you can't I mean we have

got a trampoline. It's not the same as the big trampoline centers is it that is like you know exactly yeah you can't recreate it. That's the Willy Wonka of the trampolome of the trumpeting gone down Rob? Was it the hit it was worth? I haven't really asked. To be fair, it went up on Christmas Eve and then it's been pretty much zero degrees since then. And they sort of go on it from about 10 minutes and say they're cold. But no, they do love it.

Whenever it's like not warm enough weather and the sun they opened it. Would you go back to home schooling after the lockdowns Amelia? I think I'm traumatized. I'm not going to lie. As I said like my youngest I had no intention of sending her to nursery. She's now in four days a week. I'm not joking. Those days creep up don't they? This week we were discussing going from three to four and I thought it's a very slippery slope we're going to be at six before we know it, mate. Eight days a week. Yeah, yeah. You should stay overnight, a nurse a couple of nights, can you? Oh my? Someone is missing a trick there.

I think Josh is one more lockdown away from a balding school. That's fine. The coach picks you up from Houston. I'll drop you off in a bus stop. Just to get yourself from Houston. And then you, you know, you're in the countryside for eight months. I'd be really intrigued to hear like how many people have kind of like changed their ethos. Like I've always been like such so passionate about homeschooling and stuff. But yeah, the lockdown has broken me. I was diagnosed with something called separation anxiety, which is usually something that kids have for their parents but I had it for my children. Wow I didn't know. Yeah I didn't even I didn't realize it was a thing and now a lockdown has cured it.

I swear it's nothing been a joke I am cured. I am cured. I am so happy to send my children out the door down. I'm like, yeah, girl. I sent the kids off sledding down this massive hill. I've never even actually been to the hill. We've got loads of snow at the moment in Birmingham. And so there's this huge hill, so dangerous. I'm like, yeah, go on, go on. Oh, that's a positive. It is. How, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that's, that's that, that, that's that's that's, that, th. the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the. the, the. the. the. the, I. the. the, the, I. the. the, the. the. the. the. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thoooo. the. the. the. the. the. the, the, I. the, I. the, I. the, go on. Oh, that's lucky though. That's a positive. It is.

How would that separation anxiety manifest then before lockdown? Would you just, you couldn't be apart from them with like nursery in school or was it? He was a bit protective like with the snowy hill and stuff. So it kind of manifests itself in like you, you have these crazy thoughts. So we were trying to put my youngest into nursery before the lockdown and and I just I just thought oh gosh but what if she falls nobody sees her and then you know and then she's in a corner for the whole day and it just really like silly crazy. Catastrophic thinking it isn't it where you just it just gets worse and worse and more sort of extreme and ridiculous yeah exactly

exactly to the point where when we first were trying, I was sitting outside the nursery for like four hours. It was just, you know, it was ridiculous. Now, my husband bought her in, I was like, oh yeah, see, take care. Like she's off out the door this morning. It's not like I couldn't care less, but I'm like, you go and enjoy yourself. Yeah, that's a thing. Oh, that's a brilliant, they. I, they. I, they. I, they. I, they. I, they. I's a brilliant, thi. I's a great, thi. I's a great, thi. I's a great, thi. I's a good. I's a good. I's a good. tha. tho, you're, that. that. that. tho, tho, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. It's th. It's th. It's, th. It's ridiculous. It's, th. It's, th. It's, it's ridiculous. It's just. It's just. It's just. It's just. It's just just. It's just. It's just. It's just. It's just. It's just. It's just. It's just. It's just. It's just. It's just. It's just. It's just. It's just. It's just th. It's just. It's just. It's just. It's done, that's such an achievement because that is, you know, it really affect your life. If you're that worried and you're not, you know, it's sort of deabilitating you to a point, you're just waiting outside the nursery. Yeah, I mean it really did like from sorry, sorry. What's it? I'm not even going to check. I'm not even checking. I don't, I don't want to know. I just don't want to check. You're fully killed, you're not even checking.

I don't want to know. I just don't want to know. I think sometimes it's best not to know, isn't it? Yeah, yeah, it's got to sort yourself out. I'm sorry. Do you think it's just lockdown to help you that? Have you had any therapy or have you been reading any books about the help? Or do you just think it think it's, you know, being around them all the time has helped? Honestly, I think it's lockdown. Honestly, and as I said, I'm not trying to make light of it because it is a real thing. But it's just, yeah, it's just little things like, you know, you need time away from me because I need time away from you. And I think, and I the, and I the, and I the, and I to, and I need, and, and, and, and, to, to, to, to, to, the, I'm, to, to, the, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, the, the, the, think, to, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, the, I, I, I, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, throwne, throwne, throwne, throwne, throwne, throwne, think, throwne, think, think, th working mother I was naturally getting that so even though I had I have separate or had separation

anxiety I think I was still getting you know a kind of a relief when I was working or you know just I don't know even going shopping or something I don't yeah I think kind of that concentrated time every single day I just yeah I just thought okay you guys need to leave. That's great though, you know, it's a real positive thing to come out of it. It is, it is. Because you've got like the, you've got the full spread of ages now in your house as you've, as you've top-trump declared. So who, what age you think it's hardest for, as a parent, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to leave, to, to, to, to, to, to leave, to leave, to leave, to leave, to leave, to leave, to leave, to leave, to leave, to leave, to leave, to leave, to leave, to leave, to leave, to leave, to leave, to leave, to leave, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, the the the the the the the the the the the to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, their, to, their, to, to, their, to, to, to, to, to, their, what age you think it's hardest for as a parent

to look after? Would you say that the 19 year old sort of having it the toughest that they can't go out and enjoy themselves? But then I suppose it's easier to parent a 19 year old. So my 19 year old, I think she's kind of like, this is not fair, this is not fair, and you know, and she started a petition, I need to go to school and as soon as the doors open I want to go to school. So I think it's been hardest for my 15-year-old, even though she's not really, I wouldn't describe her as like a social butterfly, but yeah, I think she's found it the most difficult. You know, you th th you th you th you th you thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi, you thi, you thi, you thi, you thi, you thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin', I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, tho, thin, thooooo, thin, thooooooo, you know, like when somebody just changes the rule, so it's like you probably weren't allowed to do something anyway.

But when they tell you, you actually can't, you can't go out, you can't socialize, then you know, you really want to, and I think that's what she's going through. Would she be doing their. I was going to say training for, she's studying, I don't know, she's studying. That's what she's training for. Yeah, I was like, what's the terminology? I think it's learning is it?

Learning, there we go. Yeah, that one. I feel like such a knob. Sorry. Yeah, I think my 15-year-old has found it hardest. And parenting my 15 year old has been the hardest for sure. Because, yeah, she's just, it's like that transition between child and adult and she doesn't quite fit and she doesn't quite know. And it's just, yeah, it's just everyday conflict.

Oh, and I have to tell you an added thing that, Rob, you've got this to look forward to tell you an added thing that Rob you've got this to look forward to. Oh God. So we've got this thing in our house called Shark Week. Have you ever heard of Shark Week? Do you know what that is? Is it on National Geographic? It is also what I think a man came up with it by the way what some people call being on your period but I know I know you guys and you don't want to talk about it but you've got girls and you're gonna need to know this so something to do with the moon please get someone to emailing or whatever let you know exactly what it is but something to do with the moon causes all the females in the house to be on their period at the same time oh my god yeah and so my husband my husband my husband like he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he th th th th th is like like th th is th is th is th is th is th is th is th is th is th is th th th is thus thus thus to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to th is th is th is th is th is th is th is th is th is th is th is th is th is th is th is th is th is th is th is th is th is th is th is th is th is thus the the the the the the the the the the the the the the to to to to to to to to to to the the the time. Oh my God. Yeah and so my husband my husband like he goes to be in queue for like eight hours. And it's just like so yeah I guess

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Oh my gosh, my husband's the worst though. My husband like, he has them doing like bleep tests and stuff like that. I think secretly he wanted to be like a football manager or something. And like, yeah, I'm just not involved. You're doing ble- I used to hate the bleep tests so much. Did you do bleep tests, Rob? Yeah, I was terrible. I was awful. I used to your thing.

Yeah, this probably you can run. He's got no lungs. I've got no legs. I've got no lea. Are you proper sportage, Amelia? Do you know what? I'm not particularly I love kind of competitive sports and stuff like that, but I'm definitely not, you know, I don't go to the gym and stuff like that. I'm currently doing this 75 day challenge.

Have you ever heard of 75 hard? No. Yeah, but I took that pill in Thailand and regret it ever did. You're a nightmare to know. I'll tell you what, day 76 is a relief. You're so silly. No, it's, sorry. No, no, no, it's this challenge anyway.

We were just like, right, we're all going to do it. I know it's so silly, but it's so hard. Oh my gosh, what do you have to do? So you have to do like two 45-minute sessions of exercise and take this from someone who doesn't do any exercise to doing two 45-minute sessions a day. And one of them has to be outside, yes, a day. You have to drink three liters of water.

Oh, it's supposed to be like a mind, a mental toughness challenge. And yeah and and if you miss out any one thing from this 75 hard on any day you have to go back to the beginning. Oh my god. So you're giving away an hour and a half of each day in lockdown. So it's 245s in the water is there any other things you need to do? Yeah you have to, you have to, well the thing is I've kind of adapted it, I'm doing like, I'm, I've adapted it and then I'm kind of, I've got people on my Instagram joining in. So on my one, it's a 245 sessions, three liters of water, you have to write some affirmations, gratitude, you have to read 10 pages of a productivity book every day. No wonder, I'm just having to send your children to nursery to me. Have you ever forgotten about the water and that's down three liters before bed? Absolutely. Every night, every night, every night, every night and I've got to the toilet about five

times a night, like it's ridiculous. You know, you just like, why, why hell did you decide to do this? Why? You do like a challenge, because you did the SAS show as well, didn't you? That was, no, no, it was, no, the Bear Grills Mission Survive, I did. Oh, Bear Grill Mission Survive, that one, sorry. They're basically the same show, in it, but we've all the exact. Yeah, yeah, you know what? I absolutely love that and the reason I did that was because I was scared of everything. Like literally just just I was scared of heights I was scared of dirt I was scared of everything and so they asked me to do it and I was like, you know

I think I think that would be good for you you know because also I feel like fear is catching and like I'm scared of I feel like fear is catching and like like I'm scared of, okay, I'm like scared of cats and I'm scared of, and I felt like my daughters were becoming scared of the things that I was scared of, so I was like, okay, just throw yourself into this. And on the first day, they kind of like woke you up, first day you start off in a hotel room and they're like, right come on similar to the SAS thing shouting at you you had to get your bags grab your bags run and you ran and you ended up in a helicopter and then they told you to jump out and I was like well this can't be day one and the thing is as well before you do the show you have like an interview

and they're like you know so what type of things are you scared of me like an idiot of course I told them that I'm scared of horses and I'm you know scared of heights scared of everything I said apart from the cats were in the show I had to ride a. Can I just check, you're afraid of cats? Yeah, I'm pet too wide. We snuck that pom past, didn't you think they're evil? Don't you think they're evil? Yeah, to be honest, I've got a cat and I ate him. I don't know what it is. It does my nothing. They're not a big fan of cat. Loo, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I the cat. I, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't tho, I don't, I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't. We've tho, I've tho, I've th. We, I've th. We, I've. We, I don't. We, I don't. We, I. We, I. We, I. We, I. We, I. We, I. I. I. I. I. I. I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I th. I th. I don't, I don't, we th. I don't, we've thi. We've than, we've than, we've than, we've than, we've than, we've than, we've than, we've than't than't than't that,they ruin the house, but I've got any other pets, but yeah, I'm not a big

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That's how you're not at that stage yet, you're doing all right. But genuinely it was like this is as bad as a child wake up this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you mean it? So how was you with leaving your kids when you did the Bear Grills thing or do you, because it's work in your head? Does that feel like it's okay to go? I think that's exactly what it was. So when I did it, the throw. the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. the. the. the. the. the. the. th the. theat's. the. the. the. the. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. th. th. th. the. the. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. the. ever left my left my kids and I feel like when I did it maybe my separation anxiety was like compartmentalized or something but yes I was fine if I was going to work but I couldn't do things like I couldn't just like frivolously go out or like oh just go clubbing or I just wouldn't do that. Yeah if it was just for you

socializing but you could justify. Yeah, if it was just for you socializing, but you could justify in your head if it was work, basically. Exactly. But if I had like two days of work, then I could go out in between because I was gonna be away for the two days. So it would find out. The brain sets little rules up to make no that it's works,

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Stephen Fry, he's well good at thinking. He always looks a bit upset of it. He's got, he suffers as well, poor school. I think less is a way forward. You've got a much better theory, haven't you're a th is any worry or any kind of fear, you just compress it down into your body and you don't think about it to create a kind of angry ball that one day will be unleashed. In an eight out of ten cats based diatriate, Jerry Katt. Let's be honest, I'll be in the jungle covering snakes when I was going. I'll say it.

I have a little leash, just fall a few and I thought, I'd have to take it off air because I've attacked all the snakes and killed them. You bit the head off a snake and then attacked Ant and Deck. I wanted a half a camp! Oh my, come on. Would you do the jungle, Jamila? With your fears? Now, I I we we we we we we we they they they they they they they they they they they will they will they will they will thi we will thi thi, Jamil, I mean with your fears now, I think they will just put those cats on you at some point.

Yeah, exactly, no, absolutely not. I've been asked so many times. You know what? Let me tell you what it is. I don't even think it's the bugs and all of that. I think it's the people. I think they're very strategic about who they put, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, that, they're, they're, they, they, they, they, they, they, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they're, they're, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. that, that, that, that, that, that, that, they. they. that, that, their, that, that, that, they're that, that, that, to irritate and and I'll just, because the thing is as well, not to sound a bit scary, but like where I'm from, like originally, that's always going to be in me and I'm always scared that if I spend too much time on TV, it's going to come

out if someone pees me off and it's just like... You've got a bit of, you've got a bit of a temper, you've got a bit of a, you know, a bit of edge here, Jamelia that can hide from the belly, but if you're, if you're, you will have a fight on the street. Is that what you're saying, Jamil? You've got it in you, have a rock outside of part? Under, under the right circumstances, all the right circumstances sharing a camp in Australia with Noel Edmonds? Is that the circumstance that you're worried about? I think that that would be it. Yeah. What's good about this Shemiliu is they you just added more money to the fee they're going to offer. She hates cats and she will fight someone. What a bookie! Oh my goodness. And who do you have at the end of the bridge though? Would you have all the kids or just your husband? Um, it would probably just be my husband because it would be like, oh, we could have a little

holiday by ourselves, that would be nice. Fair enough. You've really got over this separation anxiety. You've been in the jungle for three weeks, having a two-year-old walking herself. This is terrible. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. th- I th- I th- I th- I th- I th-I th-I th-I th-I th-I th-I th-I th-I th-I th-I tho tho tho tho tho that-n't thatheed-n't that-n't that-n't that-n't that that that that that that thathea thathea th-n. th-n. th-n. th-n. th-n. th-n. th-n. th-n. th-n't th-n't th-n't th-a th-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-woer-a-a-a-woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo'-a-a-a-a-, the three-year-old walking herself an earth through. This is terrible. I really, I just have to say this, I really do adore my children, like I adore them, I really do. I just need to put this out there because it's very clear. It's very clear that you used to adore your children but you're put over over that. That's very clear. Lots of therapy in lockdown, you know, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, th, thhe th, thhe tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I that, thi, that, that, that, that, to, toda, today today today today today today today today to to to to to to. That's another thing I need to mention. During lockdown we started getting family therapy as well. And yeah, do you know what? It's been fantastic.

So that is something that I would highly recommend. So how does it work? Would all of you, not, I imagine the three-year-old wouldn't be involved in that? I mean, three-year-olds there, but it's not because she's th-she-she's not, she's not, she's not, she's not, she's not, she's not, she's not, she's not, she's not, th-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-year-old wouldn't be involved in that? I mean, three-year-olds there, but it's not because she can't be anywhere else there. But yeah, she's not participating. So you're all sat on the sofa on Zoom? Yeah, and so who'll be? You and your husband, your two daughters and your son? Yeah, yeah, well, depending on whether or not he's here. And we just, we just, we just, we just, we just, we just, we just, we just, we just, we just, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to, to, to to to to, to to to to to to, to to to to to to to to, to to to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the to, the the to, the to to to, to the to, to, to, you know, any issues? And genuinely, that must be such a useful kind of thing.

It's fantastic, honestly, I'd highly recommend it. And I know like, you know, growing up, like, I grew up in inner city Birmingham and therapy, I mean, therapy is just like, I don't even think it was in our vocabulary, you know, but to be able to do that, especially like with teenage children and and obviously remember as well, like my husband and I are trying to have a relationship as well and it's, you know, there's a lot going on and so you know, but it's been fantastic and you know, sometimes we, you know, we won't even talk about the things in the week and we just save it for our therapy session because it's kind of like she'll guide you through

you know your problems and how to communicate correctly with each other and and also to you know exercise empathy which I think sometimes is quite hard when it's all going on or kicking off. Yeah have you seen a big difference from that then? Oh my gosh a huge difference and it's a really positive difference as well. You know, just even knowing how to communicate correctly, understanding each other, we've been talking about this thing called them transactional analysis, which is each person has different elements to them. You know, you have a child, you have a parent, you, there's also, we also speak about how you can affect who your child becomes and stuff

like that. It all gets a bit deep sometimes. But it's really important. You can get a bit deep. That's kind of... Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if you won't get your money's worth if it was. And you're doing all good or good, you had a patronage quality. It would basically a lockdown four. We wouldn't get a their. the the the thee. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's the the the. It's theat's theat's theat's theat's theat's their their their their their theat's a their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their the the the the the the the the the the the. It's the. It's the. It's the. It's the. It's the. It's the. It's the. It's all all all all all all all all all all all all gets all theat's theateateateateateateateateateateateateateateateateateateateat theateat theat theat theat the, all of us sat down to do family therapy,

it would basically a lockdown for, we wouldn't get up for about two years. Yeah, yeah. I must say, like, I definitely feel like, gosh, we should have did this when we were younger. I mean, she probably wouldn't have been able to afford it, but you know, it's, I mean, it's not like hugely expensive, but as I said, in a city the city to to to to do to to do to do to to to do to to to do to do to do to do to do to to do to do to to to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to do, to do, to do, to do, to do, to do, to do, to do, their their their their their their their, their, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the been able to afford it but you know it's I mean it's not like hugely expensive but as I said in a city Birmingham 90s yeah yeah well sometimes obviously it is it can be costly therapy and stuff that but I think more the idea of it at a point growing up for me certainly in sort of you know I think a probably similar background but yeah London is even more almost a sign of a in a weird way, which it really isn't. And I've done, I did, I did therapy years ago on the NHS and then I did it privately like

last year and it made a massive, both had the same results. And were your children, did they take convincing or were they like up for it? And question two, what's it like on Shark Week? It's double bubbles. She's charging double. No, she won't even shoot. She's like, no, no, no. I'll see you in a fortnight guys. I'll take my calendar. Yeah. Just log on. Okay, you're all crying and your husband's being cute. Yeah, believe it. Were the kids, like what was their approach to it? Do you know what it was?

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and how to be just, are there any big arguments with, you know, your teenage, your teenage, your teen, your teen, your teen, your teen, your teen, your teenthing was the things that you're arguing about a lot in lockdown? Honestly, my eldest daughter, she's a bit of an angel. We don't argue about anything, not anything at all. My 15-year-old is the whirlwind and she, I say that she needs to be like a lawyer or something, she can fight something to the death like. And it's just she might be one or need one well yeah let's hope it's not the letter please I'm putting too much please I don't need that no and honestly she's and that's the thing I always say as an adult all of these attributes are gonna be incredible for her but as a child as my child bloody hell it's a lot it's a lot so um yeah she's definitely the one I think who's well she's just at that stage where you know it's kind of like a second toddlar phase where she's pushing boundaries and you know and it's just like oh for crying out loud really and that's the thing

I've got the two of them at the same time. My toddler is pushing boundaries and being cheeky and, you know, and I don't know, I guess she's testing the waters, but yeah, it's a lot. And I don't want to come across as all complaining because it's not all bad, but it's definitely can get quite hairy. Complicated. Yeah, yeah, let's say that. Do you find it more difficult to talk about your teenage daughters than you would about, say, a three-year-old or stuff? Because are you worried about what you would say about them in public? In a nutshell, yeah.

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No, I think that's so much of the battle, isn't it? Definitely, definitely. Communication is key. That's, yeah, number one, apart from with the toddler. That's, I mean, as you know, it's just probably. That's very much about number eight with the toddler, do you feel like she gets away of a bit more though? How's your parenting change from a 20 year old to like a three year old now? Like are you a lot calmer and more laid back than you were with your first ball? Yes, definitely.

I think with my 20 year old, I say this all the time, like my 20 year old and kind of my 15 year old, they were kind of tester kids. And then I feel like I can give my best to my youngest, just because I feel like I know what works, I've tested what works and I've tested what doesn't work. And also my eldest two are very different to each other. So I've gotten a feel for, I feel like two ends of the spectrum. And yeah with my youngest I mean let me tell you one thing lockdown has definitely changed I was that parent that my child is never going to even touch an iPad until she sticks and you know and I was

that parent and now she's you know I've got an iPad but it's more or less hers and I just oh my gosh I saw this wicked quote the other day and it said if you're worried about your child watching too much TV, put it on mute, put the subtitles on and then they're reading and I thought, do you know what? That's a shout. Yeah, that's a shout. I was right. I do think though if you're worried about your kid watching too much TV then the thattoday's. th. th. th. th. th. that's. that's. that's. that's. I that's. I that's. I's. I's. I's that's that's that's their that's that's their thi's their their thi's their their thi's their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their thii. their thi. thi. I's. I's. I's. thiiiiiii. too. too. too. tooeeat's tooeateate. I's tooe. I's tooe. I's tooe. I'm tooe. I'm tooe. I'm tooe. I'm not too's though if you're worried about your kid watching too much TV then the reality is you haven't got too many worries in your house. I mean growing up he watching too much team was the last thing and everyone was worrying about getting them to school or whatever or getting the dinner on so. Exactly. A bit a tel-one, no one. It didn't do me any old. No. It's not going to be Marcus Rashford's next campaign. No, exactly.

The problem is, because for me though, I was going, I'm all right. I think I couldn't even read properly two of the odds about seven or eight. But I'd say that to the Lou andining like so I'm we we've been party training the whole of lockdown by the way which shows you that it's still not working and for me it's just kind of like but do you know any adult that wears a nappy like no so it's gonna work it out at some stage it'll be fine yeah she should be fine I got I can see you on this morning in about 15 years yet so she does wear a napie a napalana. I always said, I've never seen one, but here she is. I have a prototype.

Oh my goodness. The thing is with the party training, and I know you guys have mentioned it, sometimes, sometimes she's absolutely fine and then sometimes she just spends the whole day wet in herself and I'm just like, oh my gosh, what is this? And you know, I always say girls are easier. I mean, easier than what, I don't know because I've only had girls but this one isn't. And yeah. I think that always, like boys are like this and girls like this. It's not always the, it makes you go, oh right.

So now that if we had a boy, it would be this different this different, this different, this different, this different because they're worse sleepers or whatever. Like, there is different types of boy and different types of girl. You know what I mean? Absolutely. Well, I've got three girls and each girl has been completely different to the other. My youngest, she's, I actually put a post on my Instagram the other day, she's as much into princess and sparkly things as she is into toys and building and stuff like... Oh yeah, she dressed as a princess with a screwdriver. Yeah, yeah, yeah, lovely. And they're literally like two of her favorite toys in one picture and I was like to like share this and you know,

and I just don't subscribe to that whole, you know, boys are like this and girls are like this. Like, they're all just people and they're going to be who they are. Like I was quote unquote a tomboy when I was younger. But I just think I was an adventurous girl. I like to climb trees, I like to go on the swings. I had two younger brothers and I was just like, I wanted to play with them all the time. And I just kind of feel like, you know, at this stage, you know, I thin't just thi I just thi I just thi spent my whole childhood as a boy hating climbing trees.

I couldn't imagine anything worse than climbing a trees. So there you go, where the examples are like. I'm a little bit different. You got their ear pierced at two months and they have makeup on every day. So we've got those. You know, each other. People like that, we were like let's not get gender toys, we'll just let them play with whatever they want to play and we'll get both and then they can choose, right? Yeah,

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obviously it's the kind of thing that would come up in couples therapy so Rob would you like to ask a question well normally I ask you know if there's some of your partner does parenting wise it really annoys you but you've never mentioned it because it could cause a rab I imagine it will have come up or or not Trevelya. Do you know what so what did come up was that I feel like sometimes he wants to be the fun one and I think this is quite normal amongst dads that they want to be the fun one and they leave the mom to be the bad guy and I was like I don't want to be the bad the bad the bad the bad the bad the bad to be to be to be the bad to be to be to be the bad to be to be to be to be the bad to be the bad to be to be to be the bad to be to be the bad to be the bad to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to be to be to be to be to be to be to be the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th tha tha tha tha. the the the tha. the the the tha. the the the the to to tothe bad guy, I want to do the fun things as well. So I think, yeah, leaving me to... Be the bad guy.

Yeah, to be the bad guy. That was one thing, but we're, yeah, we're working on that. To be fair, that happens a bit in our house though, and then say you will get annoyed. You jump off it then. I've come down a slide at first in the rain here in my pants for a laugh. If you've got to be the fun one, put some put some pieces in. Do you know what though and one of the things that um and I this is one of the things that I've actually loved seeing my husband do is learning how to play. I feel. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. Do th. It th. It th. It th. It th. It th. It th. It th. It th. It th. It th. It th. It th. It th. It th. It th. It th. It th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. tho. tho. thooooo. thooooooooooooooooo. It's the. It's thooooooooo. It's the. I feel like that a lot of us can be a bit serious and children, you know, they require us to play with them. As you said, like,

you know, jump off that, okay, and I think it kind of, you know, not to get too philosophical, but it makes you kind of reconnect with your inner child. And it's been lovely, just looking, you know, I had to show him like how do you, how to to to to to to to to to to, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, to, you, to, you, you, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, th., th.a, tha.a.a.a.a. their, their, their, the parties and how do you, you know, how, you know, getting down to their level and all of that stuff. Yeah, and it's been really lovely. Yeah, I think it's true that. I mean, I don't think I've ever disconnected from my inner child to be honest. I remember that when you're when you were doing, you know what you're doing, I remember, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you're to, you're to, you're to, you're to, you're, you're to, you're, you're to, you know, you're to, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to get to get to get th th th th th th th th th th th th thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th, NCT group and make sure that you're always talking to your child and chatting to him and on the group people go, I don't know what to say to him, I don't what's doing for them. I mean, they're like, we're chatting all the time. Like having four conversations of being silly. So I think some things, I think more.

I'm more suited to to, I don't know, I think you've got to get over it, do you know? 100%? Oh my God, I forget that sometimes because my whole, me and Josh, our whole job is being stupid and silly. Like, at the school gates, I stay stuff sometimes, they look at me like I'm insane. Oh my God, what do you do in your house? Oh gosh, well, the thing is though sometimes, you know, talking about like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, what was the the their their their their their their their their their the is though sometimes, you know, talking about like school gates and stuff like that, I think what was it like in your house? Like, yeah. Do you ever think like how boring it is in some people's houses? Just, just, you know, and you shouldn't judge kids, but judging from their kids and their, the parents demeaning, just a bit like that. I can spot a banter vacuum from thirty miles away. And it's normally they can they they they they they they they they they they they they they they can they can they can they can they can they can't they can't they can't they can't they can't they can't nothing nothing nothing nothing nothing nothing nothing they can't they can. And it's tolvue they can read and write really well. Do I? Because nothing else is happening in that house. You got to have a bit of banner as well.

They've got to talk to people. Absolutely. That one's been employed for our neat their handwriting is at any stage of their life. How would you guys, how would you guys, can I just ask you guys a question? How would you feel if your kids weren't funny? I wouldn't be like, oh God, that was a bit, that was a bit hack. That was a bit of an obvious joke you just made. But like, if they weren't fun, I think, do you know what I mean? I mean, if they weren't a laugh, I mean, in my house growing up I think being a laugh and humor was a big thing. Do you know what I mean? I think it was it played a big part of conversation and personality and stuff. Yeah. And I think having a really

boring child, imagine, imagine Charles like 14 and you go, oh my god, I think they might be really boring. Yeah, shut up. You never, when you see your mate's house, you walk in and you're like, oh, oh, it's shit here in it. I think the vibe of this house is shit. You go in the fridge and there's like, just matter. You're like, what? Just butter? And then for me, if my kids, I think being funny is a separate thing because that, you know, that's a subjective stuff, but being fun and having a sense of fun which I think if they didn't that I think I'd have let them down as a parent because parents and foster that atmosphere and that so that you're not you know they say stuff all the time and I'm like not

losing your call of them where you know you had friends gone up don't do that don't be saying they're all all on them straight straight straight straight straight straight straight straight straight straight straight straight straight straight straight straight straight straight all on them straight away. So I think if they weren't fun I'd say that's where me and Lou have let them down a bit while being the experience. I can't be honest about, I can't see that happening. They're animals. It's been amazing. Thank you so much for doing it. Thank you so much for having me. Oh my gosh. I'll even listen to this one even even I know what that's been. Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you so much so much so much so much so much so much so much so much so much so much so much so much so much so much so much so much so much so much so much so much so much for for for for for for for for for for for for for for th for th for th for th for th for th for th for th for listening for listening for listening for listening for having for having for having for th for th for listening for th for th for th for listening for listening for th for listening for th for listening for listening for for for for for for for for for for for for for for for for for for for for for for for for for for for for for for for for for for for for for for for for for for for for for for for for for for for for for for for for for for for for for for for for for for for for for for for for for for for for for for for for for for the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you I know what I'm saying. Thank you so much. Bye-bye. Thank you. Thanks for having me.