Parenting Hell with Rob Beckett and Josh Widdicombe - S03 EP16: Geoff Norcott

Episode Date: September 3, 2021

ROB BECKETT & JOSH WIDDICOMBE'S PARENTING HELL S03 EP16: Geoff Norcott **TRIGGER WARNING** This episode contains discussions of miscarriage. Joining us in the studio this episode to discuss the highs and lows of parenting (and life) is the brilliant comedian, writer and political commentator - Geoff Norcott Geoff's book 'Where Did I Go Right?: How the Left Lost Me' is available now. His podcast 'What Most People Think' is available on all podcast platforms. And the email to get in touch with Geoff as discussed on the show is; [e-mail] Thanks - Rob and Josh xxx If you want to get in touch with the show here's how: EMAIL: [e-mail] TWITTER: @parenting_hell INSTAGRAM: @parentinghell A 'Keep It Light Media' Production  Sales, advertising, and general enquiries: [e-mail] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Come on, mate. You could have asked more than that. You've got in, Widdickum's got in. He's always a bit tasty on a Friday, Widdicum. He's always a bit taskier in his surnames, the one that suffers. I have listened to your and very talkative. She's only 19 months old and already telling her older brothers what to do. Thank you again. You're both very funny and brilliantly honest, if a little on the elderly side. Ellen and no. You edit that. You're fucking firing today. You're double barreled up. I just don't know what anything is anymore. You're like. You. You. You. You. the the the the the the the the the the the th. You. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. the. the. the. theu. theuu. theuuu. the the the the the the the thuuuuuuuu. thu. thu. thu. thu. You're fucking firing today, mate. You're double-barreled up. You are. Double-barreled up. I just don't know what anything is anymore. You're like a shape shifter.

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that's five-year-old starts on Monday. Oh, mate. Yeah, looking forward to a bit more strong. I need a routine. I need a routine. I to. I to. I to. I to. I need a routine. I need a routine. I need a routine. I need a routine. I need a routine. I need a routine. I need a routine. I need a routine. I need a routine. I need a routine. I need a routine. I need a routine. I need a routine. I need a routine. I need a routine. I need a routine. I need a routine. I need a routine. I need a routine. I to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to their their their their their their their their their their their their the their the their the their their their the. their th routine. When do you do your exercise? I'm running into the studio. Oh oh oh because it's in East London Rocks it's at the Olympic Park. So how fast to run? It's only just about a mile, mile and a half? It's not too bad. About but and how long does it take? Well this was the thing first I decided it was sunny I decided it was sunny I the sunny sunny. it was sunny. it was sunny. it was sunny. it was sunny. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the to to the the to to the to the the the the to to to to to to to the to the the the the to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the too. the the to the the the the the to run into the studio. But they'd already... You sound like such a like Piers Morgan. Yeah, this is, this shows me in such a bad way. Just run in there, have a quick shower, chat to the researchers, let's crack on me and make in TV. Yeah, well, it gets worse Rob. It gets worse, Rob.

Oh God, what did you do? I also had a bag that I didn't want to run with. So basically... No, no. You didn't put the bag in the car. I put the bag in the car roll. Josh, what have you become? But what else was I'm going to do? Just fucking get the cab? No, but I wanted to run. to give me some energy.

I've onlythe car in. So how far is it to run? To a mile or so. Yeah, but no, how long does that take? I don't have done it. Oh, sorry, about 10 minutes? So, 10 minute run. Yeah, so you get a bit of sweat. And you get a bit.

And then I got there, and the car pulled up. It was like a tipney. Meanwhile, I knew the roads like the back of my hand because I was on foot. Yeah, it was like a brilliant advert for running. You're an urban warrior. Exactly, right? I don't know how that's really, environmentally, you shouldn't have a car driving through London with a bag in it because you don't want it on your back. It was a big because I'd to take in it was I had to take in my laptop and all of all of my change of clothes with my shoes and all my clothes for the show. So okay. It was a huge it was an awkward. It was a sports bag. It was like a sports

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but I think that in that situation was fine. I'm going to go in today. I'm just going to take my keys on. the run to the car and then I'm going to run in separately. Yeah, I think that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's I that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's a good. that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's a that's a that's a that's a thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. the thi. the thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. that's a that's a that's a that's a that's a that's dorky and then run off. Oh you teased up a panic attack Josh after I told you my panic attack. So about six years ago I was very overworked Rob. He's gonna say overweight then and I was like, you've never been overweight. I was very overworked. I was very overworked. It normally comes from being overworked. I think I've worked a bit too much recently. I was in the middle of of of of of of of of of of of of of to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to work. I was to work. I was over. I was overworked. I was overworked. I was overworked. I was overworked. I was overworked. I was overworked. I was overworked. I was overworked. I was overworked. I was overworked. I was over work. I was over work. I was over. I was over. I was I was I was I was I was I was I was I was I was I was I was I was a to work. I was a to work. I was a to work. I was a the to work. I was a the to work. I was a to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the in the middle of a tour and there was various things going on and then I had to do Christmas live at the Apollo and it was like lunchtime. Yeah. And then I had to go to Leeds to do a tour show.

Okay. And I had to go to Leads to a tour show and then go to Leeds that night. To do a totally different things. It's obviously a sprint and then a marathon and it's hard because you can't get you ready in the right plane. And I didn't want to burn this material or etc. It was like it was all very stressful. And you know, and you had to run to run to Leeds and you know, and the train had to the train the train the train the train the train had the train had to go. And to go. And to go. And to go. And to go. And to go. And to go. And to go. And to go. And to go. And to go. And to go. And to go. And to go. And to go. And to go. And to go. And to go. And to go. And to go. And to go. And to go. And to go. And to go. And to go. And to go. And to go. And to burn to burn to burn to burn. And to burn. And to burn. And to burn. And to burn. And to burn. And to burn. And to burn. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And, you. And, you. And, you. And, you. And, you. And, you. And the. And, you. And, you. And, you. And, you. And, you. And, you. And, you. And, you. And, you the. And, you the. And, you the. And. the go four miles on now on our network I don't know I'm all right we're a replacement service yeah all that money slow bass bloody running is the realm of replacement service if you ask me oh oh is it's it like fun of an alarm is this what you want you cheap fucks

we this is free which means we could do whatever the fuck we want. Josh, tell me when you got panicked. Uh, so I was in the, uh, I had a panic attack on the floor of the toilet in Kings Cross First Class Lounge. Oh, oh! Sorry, I didn't laugh, but that's a funny place to have, I know. So you was in the the king cking cking cking cking cking cking cking ck ck, the the the the the the the the the the the the thininininususus cinks, thin, thin, to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to that, to to to too, too, too, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me when to me when to me when to me when to me when to me class lounge and you went to the toilet and laid on the floor and panicked? Yeah. Or did you panic when you hit the floor or did you

lay down to rest? No, I lay down. Yeah, because you was getting overwhelmed. Yeah, because I was getting overwhelmed. The floor of the cubicle. Not dissimilar from where I'm currently sleeping. I was on my own, yeah, I wasn't in the to the the the the the the the the toe toe toe toe toe toe the the toe the the the the the toeatio floor the the floor the floor the floor the floor the floor the floor the floor the floor the floor the floor and the floor and the floor the floor the floor and the floor and the floor the floor the floor the floor the floor to to the floor to to to to the floor the floor the floor the floor the floor the floor the floor the floor the floor the floor the floor the floor the floor the floor. the floor. the floor. the floor. the floor. the floor. the floor. the floor. the floor. the floor. the floor. the floor. the floor. the floor. the floor. th floor. th floor. th floor. toea. toea. th. tooooooo too too too too th. tooooo toe. toe. th. th. th. the. th. me a lovely time now. So you just, he was on your own, obviously meeting a tool. I was on my own, yeah, I wasn't in toilet cubicle to someone else. Do you know what, I don't think I've ever talked about it because I didn't feel like it was a relatable story Rob. Yeah, if you're gonna panic attacks attacks back in the day when I was overworked. Now I've got that kind of thing, hopefully under control. Well that's what I thought. Yeah, that's what you thought. Exactly. The old wife. But oh that's sorry, that's made me

feel better Josh. I think everyone's panic. Yeah. Do you know what's the funniest place you've had a panic attack? Because ultimately you do need to like decensitize what is. Panicatts are awful in the moment, but obviously it's just your brain chemicals in the anxiety, but the reality is what actually is happening, not isn't normally that bad. It's the anxiety of it, where if you actually sit with the emotion and sit with the feeling, it passes. So if people want to share the funniest place about the panic attack. Oh actually I've got another one. I have one last year on a peloton bike. On the bike? On the bike? I have had a phantom bike. I only have panic attacks in places that make me feel like a complete wanker. Yeah, it's had a panic attack at the the Ivy. I picked up this oyster, it just got too much. So, let me get it straight, you've put your hold all in the back of a cab, you've got on

your pelton. Oh my god, this is the worst 10 minutes of my career. Do you know what's happened, Rob? Do you know what's genuinely happened on this podcast is the more you've pushed towards being the loose neck and I've been a stiff neck yeah I've started to open up about being such a stiff neck why they've opened up a whole new array of stories I thought weren't palatable to the public but now look I'm this character the public one honesty Josh they won't hate you for it they'll appreciate let's see how it affects book and torset was wrong.

Guys, Josh has got really honest, but now, honestly, no one's going to see him. He's got too honest and it feels like he's out of touch. He's booking taxes for his bag. I wasn't booking it. So you're in your exercise bike, right? And so you're doing the class and what you was just tired what what calls the panic attack we don't know would you think I tell you what I'd been causing the panic attack yeah yeah I mean this isn't gonna sound relatable either but I was I hadn't was it cat V the R gone off it was that

morning yeah I'd I wasn't I was not going to reach the deadline for my book and I had a last leg meeting on Zoom and I was trying to write the book while in the last leg meeting. And it was too much. It was too much and then when did you get on the peloton bike? You was on a peloton bike? Lunchtime break and I thought I'll get on the peloton bike to de-stress but actually the extremeness of the peloton bike just hit me over the edge. I don't think thin. I th. I the the th. I th. I the th. I th. I th. I th. I thin thin thin thin thin thin thin thin thin thin the the the the theaton. I was theaton theaton the theaton theaton the. I was the th. I was th. I was th. I was th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th is was was was was was was was was was was was was was was was was was th. And it was was th. And it was was th. I was th. I was th. I was the the the the the the the the the the the the theateateateateateateateateateateateateateateateateateateateateateateateat. And it was theate theate the the the bike just hit me over the edge. I don't think that's a place for a panicked overwork man. No, I should have, I should have like meditated, but instead I decided to do a hit class and it sent me over the edge. What you need is to be even more exhausted and have, get your blood and heart right up. That's what you need just before a panic attack. Yeah.

If anyone wants to share a funny place of a panic attack, it's more I'm welcome. It's quite funny. Is it good to, is this, is this a positive thing? I think this is a positive thing we're doing, right? Because we're being honest. Yes, exactly. You could be honest about it. And you know, if you don't want to share it, I'm not forcing anyone. No, exactly. Oh, dear. If it makes it makes you the the the th you th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th. It makes th th th. It makes th. It makes th. It makes th. It makes th. It makes th. It makes th. It makes th. It makes thi. It makes a positive. It is a positive. It is a positive. It is a positive. It is a positive. It is a positive. It is a positive. It is a positive a positive a positive a positive a positive a positive a positive a positive a th. It is a th. It is a positive a positive. It is a the the the the the the th. It is a positive. It is a positive. It is a positive. It is a positive. It is a positive. It is a positive. It is a positive. It is a positive. It's a positive. It's a positive. It's a positive. It's a positive. It's a positive. It's a positive. It's a positive. It's a positive. It's a positive. th. It's a positive. It's a positive. It's a positive. It's a positive. It's a positive. It's a positive., don't share it. I think that's a good way of life, isn't it? So currently in the... Keep it to your fucking self. All right? Currently in the leaderboard of the worst place to have the panic attack, we have voice over booth through your audio book, Peloton Bike and the First Class Lounge Lounge Station.

Do you know what though, sometimes they do happen in nice places because your brain so horrible it starts going, oh and your brain is going, oh look at you, you're complaining and you're getting a first class train. You're not really appreciate it. I think that I think it's an overriding guilt. I think I am beset with an overriding guilt about things like that. Right. Should we bring on the guest? Yes. beset with an overriding guilt about things like that. Right, should we bring on the guest?

Yes. Oh Jesus, what a week. This is Jeff Norca, who is a brilliant comic, a lovely man, and also we should say, it's like trigger warning for this one. There is discussions of miscarriage and late-term miscarriage in this discussion. Just so you're aware. Yes. That's what they're for, aren't they, trigger warnings?

But also, the problem with the trigger warning is it really drains the energy before bringing someone on. Yeah, it does hit the mood. We need to get it back up. Okay. Oh, hang on oh he's put the pressure on me now. Um, yeah. Oh, here's another trigger warning. I'm going to be really funny.

Oh no, what's that? Yeah. I hope you don't get too stressed out by me being fucking great at laughs. Because strap in, bitches. Yeah, that's the men and women that was. That wasn't the podcast. Thank you very much. Thanks for having me on.

It's always this pressure, when you do something you've been listening to, the status of it. I know how important it is podcast now. I don't want to annoy people while they're out walking the dogs. That time matters, don't it? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, th you, th you, th you, th you, th you, th you, th you, th you, th you, th you, th you, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thatha, Jeff, thi, thi, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, Jeff, Jeff. Jeff, Jeff. Jeff. Jeff. Jeff. tho, tho, Jeff. tho, Jeff. tho, tho, Jeff. tho, thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi, Jeff. thi, Jeff. thi, Jeff. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi's thi's thii's tha'a'a'a'a'a'a'er's tho. Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff dogs. That time matters, don't it? Yeah, you're right. This is it, Jeff. This is the, basically, this is 2021's equivalent of doing opportunity knocks. It's a big shows.

I've done, I've done prep for this. I've got notes. I've got notes. Oh, Jeff, Lawcock. Podcasts used to be just something, did with your mates and no one listened and all that kind of stuff, but now, some podcasts for me, like, they are the structure of my week. And on a Monday and Tuesday when they're released, I'll listen to them when I'm doing the tidin up or going for a walk.

So now there is a bit of pressure, Jeff, but I've thak,, it's an anecdote so, isn't it? Like, I had to do a bit of anecdote revision, because, no, my son's five, my son's five now. What is your setup, Jeff? First of all, what's your set up at home with your kids? Set up at home, I've got one wife, and I think got is the word. Even if it's problematic, I got her and I've kept her. It's something I'm proud of, Snares probably a better work. Entrapped. Encourage. You can leave whenever she wants, but I know, I do know stuff.

And then there's, and then there's Seb, my son who's five years old and he, well, I know like the, you know, the thing about this podcast is you've got to have your gripes, but it's going to be tricky for me because I am completely infatuated with him. So that's partly why I was revising the anecdotes to remember some annoying stuff. What are when he was younger? Yeah, because they do, when they get to that five, they do just become your little mate. It's not as full-on as when they're like babies or toddlers. So I know what you're saying there, but yeah, but he's a little legend. You don't have to be negative. Well, I, the, the, the, the, the, the, they, the, they, they, thage, they, th. Well, tho, tho, tho, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they're, they're, they, they, when, they're, they're, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, they, they're, they do, they do, you do realize this with fascism in a way, if you indoctrinate them young, it's so easy. So at the moment he likes everything that I like and he doesn't even know why.

He just likes it. Star Wars, football, cricket, the conservative party, everything, Josh. He loves it. That is one of your calling cards, the only conservative voting a comedian on the circuit. I didn't waste any time getting that out, Rob. I didn't even intend to. People needed to know, Jeff. Everyone needs to know your angle.

It's been drilled into me. But, yeah, no, it is funny because I do think sometimes when he watches and listens to some of this stuff because all this stuff is out there. He's inevitably he's going to be a lefty, you know, a certain point in his life. And I feel like this is going to kick against you, isn't he, Jeff? Well, when he wants to go and work in Portugal and be an accountant in Lisbon, I think we might have some chats. Do you like not as easy as it was a big Corbyn' in post, yeah. Yeah, I mean it's inevitable, isn't it? Does it feel, because I associate you at talking about politics or talk about current affairs, do you enjoy talking about your personal life in comedy? I love it, I love it.

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And getting a cheer for finding a thousand people that agree with you is not the same as a punchline and I'll stand by that, Jeff. That's a long tour poster quote, Rob, but I am going to use it. But how would you feel though if he was super left-wing or you wouldn't mind too much because you are a conservative voter as it well, but you're not like sort of you know I think sometimes they are politics people are just so full on one end. You're fairly you just people can vote for different parties and have opinions and stuff about. Yeah, I mean life. I mean I'm making them evil or them to be too weak or whatever you want to call someone or for however they vote. I mean the thing is fortunately for me, you know, being the centre right, which is what I am and what a lot of the country are, is somehow radical prospect, which is brilliant from my point of view.

You get to be sort of like, some people call you edgy for voting in line with the majority of people in a country, which is... Yeah, it's so... He's so, you know, the alternative voice, even though, you know, the alternative voice, the alternative, the alternative, the alternative, the alternative, the alternative, the alternative, the alternative, the alternative, the alternative, the alternative, the alternative, the alternative, the alternative, the alternative, the alternative, the alternative, the alternative, the alternative, the alternative, the alternative, the alternative, the alternative, the alternative, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, the to, the the the the, the, the, the, the, the, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, though the contenders are in power. I know so he you know hopefully like it would never seem to extreme to him but also you know I went through that stage I voted Labour in the 90s early Naueties then I was briefly a Lib Dem but you know it lived in is a bit like sort of experimenting with your sexuality I think everyone goes for a stage some people stick with it. I never inhaled. I never inhaled. So where do you live Jeff? Not specifically, but you live in London?

No, no, not anymore. I was listening to one of your podcasts and Rob made a very funny point about saying that people like you basically priced us out and I thought there's a very good socio-economic point, Rob. Thank you. That's my pride myself on. Oh you slip it in, Rob. Oh yeah, you got them, you're just. He stumbles across it without to th, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi Oh you slip it in social economic points. Oh yeah you got to wait you just stumbled across it without trying. But I live out in Cambridge you now and one of the funny things is is because you know I've done this documentary about class and all this stuff is like people go well actually and they think they've rumbled me by going to actually I think you'll find he lives in rural Cambush actually actually actually actually actually actually actually actually actually actually actually actually actually actually actually actually. the the the the the the the the the the the the Actually, the only reason you know that is because I always mention it in interviews. So it's like, that's not, that's not school.

You're scum, Jeff, and I can say that because I am. We know it, we know each other's scent. We're scum, but we've done all right. How different do you think's having a kind of similar upbringing to you or is it vastly different? It's way better. It's like DeMonster to be better. He's happy all the time. He's happy all the time. He's happy all the time. He's happy all the time. I mean he's not going to have very good anecdotes. I mean I'll say that much. He's a anecdote game. You know he's going to be this weird generation of young people you've got now where they're probably going to live more abstemious lives, less alcohol, less drugs, so they're going to live forever but have no good stories, right? It's a strange, it's a strange existence. And I sort of, I'm already wanting to tell him about how hard it was for me. I don't know what purpose this serves. I took him, even, when, when, when, when, they, they, they, they, they, to, to, to, to, to, the, to, to, to, they. I'm, to, they. I'm, to, too, told, too, they. I's, they. I'm, to live, their, their, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their. So. So, their. their. their. their. their. to. too. too. tooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. their, their, their, their, their, their around the council estate that we lived on and I was like, that was a flat that we lived in.

And he laughed a bit and I thought, maybe he will be a Tory. But I'm just trying to, I'm trying to just, I want him to know my story, but I spoke, we were talking about this the other day me and the missus. How different can his life be and a lot of tho thi, a thi, thi, that that thi, that thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, thi, maybe, maybe, tho, maybe, thi, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, thi, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. thi. thi. thi. thou, maybe, maybe, thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. Maybetheir kids but I find that difficult I just think could I could I let it be so different from him because I think a good comprehensive education for me was something that I've valued I've done a few boys are grappling with the same thing. What's your wife's background? Well she so so you understand it's standing it's well she's working class but that echelon above that the the the the theylaint. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the they. they. they. they. they. they. the they. the the the they. the the the they. the the the the they. the the the the they. the the the the the the the the the the thing that she'd been Disneyland, but American Disneyland, and I didn't even think those people existed. So her family had done well, you know, hard-working, upwardly mobile working-class families,

so they'd done all right, but I sort of judge the differences between us on strange metrics, like the fact that they used to have like actual diet coke in the fridge. Do you mean, like as kids. Yeah, not like we're the the their their their th. We th. We th. We're th. We're th. We're th. We're th. We're th. We're th. We're th. We're th. We're th. We're th. We're th. We're th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. thi. thi, thi, thi. thi, thi, thi. thi. thi, thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi.that they used to have like actual diet coke in the fridge. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, no, I'm not like the Safeway version. No, no, we're talking cans as well. Cans. Yeah, not panda pops. Remember, panda pops? I like the panda pop.

Nothing wrong with a panda pop, Rob. I know, but it's not an mid-range you know the football yeah it's not like them cheap energy ones that call like energy go go 13p yeah yeah dangerous dangerous ball or some sort of rip off green cow gives me legs one of those but there was a level below that the panda pops was I spoke about in the book is he mentioned the book and being a toy I think oh get the book in where he's called where did I go the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the they. thea thea thea they. thea. they. the the the they. the the the the the the they. the the the the the the the in the book. Is he mentioned the book and being a tory? I think he has. Oh, get the book in, mate. You got a book out. Get the book in. Where did I go right, how the left lost me? But I would say this and I'm aware of a time of this. Someone's just surrendered his fee there by doing the plug by doing the plug. But it's not, it's not like, one of the things that people that people that people that people that people that people that people that people that people that people that people that people that people that people that people that people that people that people that people that people like that people like that people like that people like that that that that that that that that that that that's that's that's that's that that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that. that that. that that. that that that that. that that that that that. that that. that. that. that. that. that. that. th. th. th. th. the the the th. the the th. the the the th. the the the the the the the the the the. the the the. the the. the. the. the. th. th. th. this talking about class background. We used to get this Coke from Quicksave that was called Vogue Cola and it's the worst. It was somewhere beneath Pander Pops, way beneath Panderpops. It just didn't.

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and it'll be a black and white flicker in the top left-down corner? Yeah, where's that gone? Do you know what? My new tour is writing itself here? So what's Sebastian getting on then? Is he a preschool? Has he gone to school yet? You're toying up his education? No, so he did this year was his first year and what a year to start school. Oh wow. And he's added it really well. This is part of the problem, Robbies, that I just got so full of admiration for the lad. Like he's taking it, he's taking it. He's taking a He's a football manager about Phil Fuddin. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. the to. to. to. the to. to. the to to the to to the to the the to the to th. to to to to to to to to to to to to be. He's their. He's to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to start. He's to start. He's their. He's their. He's their. He's started. He's started. He's the year. He's the year. He's the year. He's the year. And what he's the year. And what, he's the year. And, he's the year. And, he's. And, he's the year. He's the the the the the the the the the the the the th. He's the the the the th. He's the the the the th. He's, before I come on a show and I was trying to think of what it's going to be like, and I think he's going to be like Nigel Clough to

my Brian, you know, I'm a bit, I like a man, I get a bit angry, I like a drink. He's just going to clean it up a bit and he'll have had a slightly nicer life. But he's handled all that really, he's th's also, he's a very sensitive lad as well. He's really, really smart, which is, sounds like I'm boasting, but there's sort of dangers that go with that in terms of picking up on stuff. You know, what's he picked up on then? Is he just picking up on your like, your mood and things like that? Yeah, you know, like, he worked out what a hangover was a bit too soon for me. I would like to think we could have gone a couple more years. I just want to check from your experience rather than from his. Yeah, he'd come down. Absolutely hanging this morning. Could you put extra milk in the shreddies. He's. I would have liked a couple more years of, oh daddy's a bit tired today. That would have been useful. Do you know what I mean? Oh rather and gloating that you're hung over. Yeah, yeah, not gloating but just kind of like he's clocked it. But I think he does well on my hangover days. I'm making myself sound like a bit of an alky.

I've drunk more. But the one day when you're, the one day when you're not hung over, you're an absolutely superb paranoia. Do you know what mean I'll suddenly go we should do something today because I really it's so it's totally self-absorbed I want to essentially assuage my own sort of self-loathing so we'll end up a chess I also think there's something in if you're hungover why you're why you're a rumish you mate mates. You're really clicking on the parenting thing. I feel awful.

Right, let's go and do something to make sure that I'm being a good dad. That's exactly it, yeah. I think if you're hungover, doing something's much better. There's nothing worse than doing nothing, do you know what I mean? Like you have to go, I'm going to do an activity today. No way. Yes way, Rob. I, Rob. I, I, I, I, I, I, I, watching hungover. Like you have to go I'm going to do an activity today. No way. Yes way Rob. I've got to disagree. Right so you're hung over. So much easier to go, I'm going to go to the zoo than it is to go. Are you on fucking crack? Go to the zoo with kids hung over is better than just laying on your sofa alone. Well I'm not laying on the sofa alone. thoom. the the the the the the the the the thoom. thoom. to. to. to. to. to. to. to be. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. to gooomsoa. to gooomsoa. to go to go to go to go to go to go to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go the to go to go the the to go the the to go the the to the to to the the tho too the too tho the tooo the the too the to the too to the to to to the to to to to to to to too too too too to'm saying, Rob, laying on the sofa alone isn't one of the options. The options is doing arts and crafts in my kitchen or going to the zoo.

No, yes, yeah, if you're with kids, it's better to go and do something with them. The only reason though that's good is because they're in the car or the train, strapped in or sat down, and that is the good bit. What I'd like to be very clear on this. What I wasn't saying was, I actually find hangovers easier now that I'm a parent that goes to the zoo than when I was... Yeah, and I go to the zoo on my own with a hangover. Yeah. But then when you do get to that, that 4 p.m. and also the good thing from a parenting point of view is if you're in that situation, then ice cream, ice cream, ice cream, chocolate, you know what I mean?

That is actually completely in context. And they think you're being a good parent, it all works. I'm going to go back. Now I understand that the kids are always involved in this process. I'm going to agree. I would even even even even even even even even 8 a.m. when the kids are up when you might be still pissed, take them to the park and have it at the park for about four hours and then take them home you're like oh I've had the kids all morning do you want to have them then you just collapse. So I would a hundred

percent say on the it's way better to be the person that does the early morning with the promise of the mid-morning to lunchtime nap than it is to be the person that lies in gets up and then it's the whole way through. If I'm up at 7 a.m. and I'm just going to all I've got to do is make it to 11 a.m. piece of piss. Yeah and I think you can that you can thin the to thoooooooo. thi. thi. thi. thi. the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, the the thi, the the the the the the the the the the the person, the person, the person, the person, the person, the person, the the person, thi, thi, the, the, the, the, the, the, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thatea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thi, thi, think women when they're hung over the mornings is their delicate bit and you can be like I'm just going to absolutely power through this bit. The only problem with getting him up at 7 a.m. is that like, well he sleeps like an absolute log. What's his sleeping like? From the beginning Rob, I would say that and this will sound like boasting but I will get to a point where you realize that this isn't totally hours 18 18 18 18 18 He's... Judging on his sleeping patterns, I think he's in the top 1% of people who've ever slept. Like, wow.

Because, because me and my wife are talking about that, because he's only, and if you've got a kid right now and it's difficult, maybe just bleep out this bit or something, because I think. You know what I accept you're doing here Jeff I think it's fine because you're saying he's good at sleeping. What I think would be unacceptable is if you went we're just such great parents that we've made him into this no no no it's easily. It's like accepting that you're powerless and you've got lucky I think is totally acceptable. Yeah he's a once in a generation like the only time he's had bad night the only he's he's he's the only he's he's he's he's he's he's the only. he's had he's had he's had he's had he's had the only. he's had the only. heat. heat. he's had heat. He's had heat. He's had heat. He's had bad. He's had heat. He's had heat. He's had. He's had. He's had. He's had. He's not. He's not. He's not. He's not. He's he. He's he. He's. He's is. He's is. He's is. He's is. He's is. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's th th th th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's a th. He's a th. He's a th. He's a t. He's a t. He's a t. He's a t. He's a t. He's a once. He's a once. He's a once. He's a once. He's a once. He's a once. He's a once. He's a once been ill and stuff but there is a tale to this like there's a flip side to this whereby I mean if you have to wake him up slightly before his time it's like you're bringing him round from major surgery it's so difficult he just doesn't know what's going on and what

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sleeping much better at night, it makes absolutely no difference. I think that's a noble lie. You know like at the beginning of COVID when they said the PPE doesn't help, just because they needed it for the hospitals. It's an absolutely noble lie. Was he always a good sleeper then even when he was a baby? He was. I mean, the first couple of weeks that we had made it sound like getting. First couple of weeks, come on, mate.

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they have antibiotics and it does work like it works really fast but you know when they're when they're sort of like you know like really hot in the the. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th is is is is is is is the the th is their th is th is th is to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to th th th th th th th th is is is th is th is th is is th is is is th is th is is th is is th is is th is th is th is th is th is th is th is. th is. th is. th is. th is. th. th. th. th. th. the. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the of the night and talking in times. It's so bad. I mean when you forget that don't you? me and Mrs. speaking the other day going, yeah, do you remember how we struggle to show any objectivity around that time? So like, like them being babies is really cute, but this age five, it's like they're in tou bit and give you absolute attitude out of nowhere, because it's sort of like they're just realizing they can. Have you had that yet or is he still really sweet? Well, you've got two boys, isn't you, Rob? I don't know, two girls.

Two girls, yeah, two girls. Yeah, I mean, listening to the ages of three. I don't want to be a big gammon here guys, but I think boys and girls are sometimes different. You're in the right company for that sort of dar. Am I been cancelled? You're pushing the open door. The Billy Rubin stuff was bad, but this is the absolute tip of the iceberg. I just haven't think boys and I'm definitely are at that age. I definitely are and also like with girls as well. And I I'll happily take a stick for this one but they their ability to let's not use the word manipulate but influence is just it's like a superpower and I think that they discover that superpower a bit earlier. Let's leave it there. Do you ever feel like topical comedy only ever tends to come from one angle? Well I'm Jeff Norcott host of what most people think and my show jokes is to to to to to to to to to their their their their their their their their their their they's they's they's they're they're they're they're they're their their they're their their their their they're their their they're their their their their their their their their their their their their their. Let's not. Let's their. Let's their. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's their. Let's their. Let's their. Let's their. Let's their their their they're th. I tip. I's tole. I's tipe. I's tipe. I's tipe. I's not. I'm tell. I'm their their their their their their their their only ever tends to come from one angle? Well, I'm Jeff Norcott, host of What Most People Think, and my show jokes about all sides,

jokes about Tories, jokes about Labor, jokes about everyone. If there's any Lib Dems listening, there isn't. We're returning guests from across the political spectrum, including Romish Ranganathen, Simon, theirons, in David Bedile, Andrew Doyle, Al Murray and more. Sometimes we'll make good points. Sometimes we'll make cheap jokes. But whatever we do will be trying our best to get to the heart of what most people think. Well, I think with three as well, because it's sort of like there is sort of a,

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their, um, their sleeping techniques of what made their kid a good sleep. We've got this view that, well if you're surrounded by knick knacks, she's because she. She's on the on the Instagram account she knows what this stuff's going for. She's not going to piss around near a glass dome is she? You can't play twist near a Shays Lounge, not at Mama's house. Now my son's gonna come along and he's gonna take a fucking shit on the on the golden palm tree lamp and before we know it. Well you do see the madness in boys eyes that's what you see you know that thing about some men just want to watch the world burn I think they all they all have that and I don't know if this has been discussed by any the dads with boys but the stamping on your bollocks thing is incredible it's

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She does that a lot. Just like head butts him and laughs and runs off. So I don't know if it's boy or girl, but or if some have just more got more energy. Do you think, I'll speak about this the other day about girls, you know, you aspect of progress worries me and I'm like, oh it's ridiculous. Oh, they've recast that as a female and stuff, but I have to say like, I think watching girls in playgrounds and stuff, they are more physically confident now. And if you think there's been loads of films like Ray and Star Wars, there's been loads of action heroes. I just wonder

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I'm going you are not doing yourselves any favors guys do put on a pair of trousers quick come on so I do think though that has changed slightly like in a playground but I find sometimes I still like I still live in South East London and some of my friends or family members will say certain things I'm like you're you're painting her out to do that because you think that's what girls do. I think schools are actually way more progressive, but still in the home with certain older members of families, they will say certain things that sort of go, oh that you'll like this or you'll get that, or when they bring them gifts and stuff. I find it still a little bit, that's what girls have, that's what girls have, that's what girls have, that's th, th, th, th, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, th, th, th. thi, thi, tho, thi, thi, the, the, with, with, with, with, with, with, with, their, their, with, their, with, with, with, with, with, with, with, with, with, with, with, with, their, with, their, with, their, with, their, with, their, with, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, mate though that are going for the gender neutral thing it's the funniest thing in the world to just buy them like Action Man just to see

look it's out of order but there go Bobby for you love Action Man for him that's what they're really like. Well we did that because we said that we don't want any sort of get like a stereotype girl and that's what. like like like like like like like like like like like like like like the the the the the the the the the the they they they's they's they's they's they's their they's their their their their they's their their their their they's their their their their their they's they's their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their th is th is the. theati theati toy. things things things things things things things theatieati. theati. they's they're they're they're they're they grow older and they pick in a shop, let them, but I don't want to give like an eight month old, a kitchen or a pram just because she's a girl and that's what would usually be bought kind of thing or a doll and stuff like that. But then literally, then someone did buy the pram and was like, oh yeah, no, actually we don't really want to give him that. It was a bit awkward. And then, embarrassing embarrassing embarrassing embarrassing embarrassing embarrassing embarrassing embarrassing embarrassing embarrassing embarrassing, embarrassing, then, embarrassing, then, embarrassing, embarrassing, not helped us out here. She's a stereotype, my stereotyped five-year-old daughter. She doesn't realize Rob what she's doing to the cause does she? I know exactly. But it used to do with boys as well. Do you remember that the worst toy in the world which was just a

multi-story car park? What was that in terms of setting you up? In tepity of setting you up, like, just so you know, in about 40 years, you're going to be having blood pressure issues because you can't park in one of these, you might have got to get used to it sometime. That was the shitest toy ever. Or it weren't even like a ramp. No hot wheels, just parking them. The ramp was quite exciting, but it didn't really give you an idea of how tense it actually is doing the ramp bit of a multi a a multi the you do that bit, you're constantly worried about catching a wheel or something. But that was the fun bit of the multi-story car park. There was a petrol station at the bottom as well, wasn't it? A petrol station? Okay, just so you know, like if you want to make it really tense is to exit it realizing you haven't got any fuel when you're in a city center. I mean the only thing they could have done to make that more realistic was actually had like screaming kids sound effects.

Have you ever, can I ask a question guys? Have you ever got one like your partner and the kids are in the car and it's been quite a stressful time leaving the house? Have you ever shut all the doors and just screamed fucking hell when they can't hear? No, no, why have you robbed? Yes. It's quite liberating moment where, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, their, their, their, their, th, th, th, th, their, th, th, their, th. their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, I, I. their, I, I. their, I, their, I, their, their, th, their, th, th, th, th, th, th, th. th. thi. thoooo. th. th. th.a. th. th. th. thoooooooo. Can't, their, their, their, Rob? Yes, and it's quite liberating because it's a liberating moment where basically that's it's sort of like it's a moment of stillness and it's just like fuck and then you just get back in the car and plow on. Well I have that same feeling Rob but sadly for my sort of stomach I'd push it all down into hernia territory. I just go, the best you can hope for is you just in terms of how your kids see is you just hang in there and then when they're about 24 they're going, you know what, he's actually quite

a reasonable bloke. That's not what you're shooting for. He's got his faults, but he tried his best. He's actually quite a sound guy. That's your, that's your apex position. feeling about like, I mean five, but like when he becomes a teenager and stuff like that, we haven't really kind of gone into what kind of parent are you? Are you disciplinarian? Are you trying to be down with the kids? No, I am a very soppy. You know like all comics have that thing. We all do this to

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I think that, I think that,tactile, whereas actually it was me, you know, and then in the last five years of his life, we sort of brought back in the odd bit of, you know, and stuff. He got, he remarried and turned his life around a bit. So it ended up like really positive in that respect, but I've definitely overdue. I know And I think we do this a lot with parenting don't they we overcorrect. We always over, instead of thinking how about split the difference like maybe my old man needs something and I didn't. You know what? It just swings between generation. Too much or not enough? Well when I was a teacher I remember like like you'd always see it appearance evening the overcoring parents, like you'd have this really like chippy dad, we'd go, well,

the thing is, my dad made me do homework all the time, so I've said to my kid you don't ever have to do homework. Or, or you sort of find a balance, maybe? tho' thiiiii. Like what what year not what not good or bad? Absolutely bollics Josh absolute nuts level I was I was a secondary school teacher and you know what that disciplinarian thing I'm good as the final point disciplinarian like when we've had a couple of issues with him where we're not sure he's tell us exactly what's happened. I go full Robert De Niro and meet the parents you know when he gets a gay lord's hands and holds his pulse and stuff and like does a cold read on him, I come in at that level, like the CIA interrogation level. I'm quite good at that level, but I'm pretty soft most of the rest of the time. And I was quite a strict teacher as well to be fair. Does your experience? Did that their experience of being a teacher? Did that, presumably, does that, does that, does that, does their, does th. Does th. Does th. Does th. Does their, does th. Does their, does their, does th. Does their, does their, does their, does their, does, does, does, does, does, does, does, does, does, does, does, I? to? to be, I, I, I, I, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I. I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, to. th. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to make you want kids? Did that make, like, what's your relationship?

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kids, you know, there's certain things that they want as well. They do actually want rock-solid people around them you know when certainly with teenagers always felt when they were trying to rebell they were trying to push in down the wall down down down down down down down down down down down down down the wall the wall the wall the wall the wall the wall the wall wall the wall wall wall the wall the wall wall wall the wall the wall the wall the wall the wall the wall trying to push him down the wall, right? That's what it felt like. But the truth was they just wanted to know it was a good wall, whereas the mistake is... I agree, totally. It's like referees, you want consistency. Yes. Do you know what I mean? The worst teachers were ones whether you didn't know

whether you could was a laugh 80% of the time but sometimes would flip out at you. Or the one that would kind of be liberal and easy going with the hard lads. That was the worst kind of teacher wouldn't it? When you knew that he knew that his old man was in organized crime. And he'd be like, oh yeah. Have you like taking your boy on holiday and stuff yet? you tak, um, have you like taken, like taken, like taken, like th, like th, like th, like thi thi thi thi thi thi thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, that that that that that thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th th th th th th th th th th th th, th, th th, th, th th th th, th th th th thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that to your holidays and things like that. Are you a relaxed parent on holiday or you're still quite amped up? He's great fun but I don't get I don't get too tense about taking him away. I mean one thing I did notice about airports right and this is where it's just harsh on women's. I think when you're traveling in an airport I think women tend to tend to to te te te to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to their wa to their wa to to to to to to to to to to to their their their to told told to their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their try. try. try. te. try. te. te. try. try. te. try. toe. try. toe. toe. their their their tend to take on the stress of that situation more squarely because they've You know probably on balance done more of the packing and just more stressed about it But the flip side of that is seeing bloats get told off in an airport Seeing husband's get it's a funniest thing man like get get getting the hair dryer treatment outside of carloo's just Just see some bloke with his miss is just absolutely because you can tell it's the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the they. they. I's they. I's they. I's they. I's they. I's just I's just I's just I's just I's just I's just I's just I's just I's just I's just I's just I's just I's just I's is just I I I I's is just I I I I's is just I I I I I I I's is just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just. I'm just just. I'm just. I'm just just. I'm just. I'm just. the the. t. t t tttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttoyea. I'm just. I'm just. I'm just. I'm just. I'm just.tell it's the culmination of like probably a whole week where he hasn't packed.

He's got up late. He's walked the dog while they were supposed to be, you know, those distraction to techniques. So I both observed that and I am also that guy. If you were at have any more, Jeff, would you go, would you want to be a bit of balance in the house? I think we were one and done done done done done done done done done done done done done done done done done done done done done done done done, their.........au? Oh, they? Oh, they? Oh, they? Oh, they, they, they, they, they, tho, they, they, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the dog, the dog, the dog, the dog, the the dog, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their, their, th........ Well, tho, tho, tho, was, tho, was, was, was, tho, was, too, too, tooo, too, was, was, thoooooooooomorrow, was, was supposed.a, was supposed. Oh, was honest. I think we always, we took, we were married a long time before we even started trying, we were married 10 years before we even started trying for a kid, which is quite long, so, so we were like, let's just make one good one, right?

Let's make one good, right? And the thing is, he's so good is, you know, when you're just have just have when, you just have, It's unfollable. He's unfollable. That's exactly what he is. And you've got to be in the same value to the following night and you just go, look, it could be better, but statistically it's not going to happen, so let's just get through it. So yeah, and also the age we were when we had our first one as well. I think it's much more likely that we're going to get a cavapoo. When you, when you say say say say years between getting married and having a kid, Did you plan not to have kids? Like, no, no, so we were at times we were like 50-50

We were like, could do, couldn't do it. Eva was fine with us, but what we sort of said was if we ever got to a consistent 70-30, I mean if he listens to this, you'll be so shocked. This is some of the most romantic chat I've ever heard. Did you have a chart in your kitchen? Yeah, we updated the spreadsheet every week. We'd recalculate and then we look at the pie chart. Burn the condoms, we've reached 70-30. It's like a fresh show. Do you know what I mean?

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You said earlier that you had, you don't know, even more kind of love towards him because he feels like... Yeah, I mean I don't mind talking about it just in terms of, you know, like it's a bit of, it was a hard thing to go through, but we had a couple of miscarriages, then we had a loss of a very late stage pregnancy. So what happened with that was, which was... Right? What, mate? I do that, I that, I talk about this because it's hard enough for women right it's hard it's hard enough for women but blokes tend to just internalize and kind of not really mention it so it was a very difficult thing to go through but it was like it it was strange like kind of ironic that we kind of realized not a that the only kind of ironic that we tho throwne th. thrown. thrown. thi thi thi that thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi. thi. I thi. I that that that that that that that that that that thi. thi. that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi the the, in such a difficult moment, it was like the only kind of like a bit of spiritual kind of thing. And I think that maybe in a way, you know, because we're also aware that we didn't really

change much in terms of still wanting to have one kid, that we wanted to save her every single minute. But I wonder if that's what's come out in that's come out, that it every day, magical day, you know. And it's made, it's had a knock on impact in his life, but just to make his life sort of a curiously sort of Disney type experience. But I mean, again, if there's people listen to this and stuff, it's it that have been for a similar thing, it's complicated because there is like a, almost like a sliding door of a timeline that you have a mind on sometimes, you know, and he's sort of aware of what happened. And you know, I do sometimes wonder if he's trying to be... So would you speak to him about that, then? Because it was such a difficult thing, he was a way, you know, there's ways that you phrase it,

you know, I don't care whether you're religious or not. Once you've had a kid and you have to describe that sort of stuff. It's like, right, so you've ever heard of angels? Yeah, yeah, of course. Everyone comes a bit Christian because it just makes it easier. So obviously I imagine he was aware that his mom was pregnant and then there wasn't the baby. Yeah, yeah, it's hard for him, isn't it? It was a tricky call, but it was such a hard thing to be apparent after that. for him to just some sort of know that something like that has happened in a way. And you know, it was a difficult call, but he is, I mean, I remember when we said when we were pregnant again, and I was like, my wife said, what we're going to do if he's a difficult

kid, you know what I mean? We've been for so much. I was like, I think he's going to absolutely fine. I said he's going to sleep 12 hours straight through, be a a lovely, be a lovely, be a lovely, be a lovely, be a lovely kid. I saw almost made like a comical, ironic wish list for a kid and that is what we got. I mean that sounds a bit corny, but that is pretty much what happened. I think it's interesting to say about like not wanting to talk about it because I haven't spoken on here before because we were pregnant but we had a miscarriage between our two children. And it is, it's yeah, and it's really weird to kind of, there is a a to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to be, to be, to be, to be, to, I, to be, to be, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I. And, I, I, I, I. And, I, I, I, I, I, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to,'s really weird to kind of There is a weird stigma about it really not stigma But it's not spoken about in the same way as loads of other things It's so right you don't realize that it's something like one in four pregnancies Ends in a miscarriage of some sort and it's it's such a regular thing

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on the on the podcast because obviously people who are affected. Could you know what there's so few people that and you might think I'm mad for saying this but there's so few people that could actually get to get it together to chat I you know from my podcast I there there there the their their their their. their. their. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi's is this is this is this is this is this is this is th. thi. thi's thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. this is is th. this is th. this is th. th. this is th. this is th. th. th. th. this is th. this is thi. this is thi. this is this is this is this is thi's thi's this is thi's thi's thi's thi's thi's thi's thi's thi. thi. thi. this, but there's so few people that could actually get to get it together to chat. You know, from my podcast, there's an email address that people can write to, right, which is what most people think UK at Gmail.com. And if I know it's about that, I'll read and respond to everyone because sadly, you know, what, just not a lot of people are willing to do that, but if someone, if it's based, if it's, if it's, if it's, if it's, if it's based, if it's based, if it's based, if it's based, if it's based, if it's based, if it's based on, if it's based on, if it's based on, if it's based on, if it's based on, if it's, if it's, if it's, if it's, if it's, if it's based on, if it's, th. thi, th. thi, thi, th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, to to thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th....., th., th... th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. Yeah, th. Yeah, thi, th. Yeah, thi, thi, thi, thi, that, that, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi it might be good for to further that a little bit and then point them in the right direction. And you can tell them your tour dates and stuff as well, can't you? Yeah, well exactly, like the little bit of the end. If they want to buy the book, they buy the book, right?

Yeah, yeah, exactly. There'll be a few links in there. for Billy Rubin. But yeah I don't mind people email email address it's what most people think UK at Gmail.com and you know I've had a couple of chats with blokes and stuff like that. Oh that's great. But if there's one thing that our soppy generation of dads can do is maybe we can instead of 15 years we can bring it down to six, five or six. Yeah, buy it up for six and then talk about it rather than an outburst on a stag dude for no reason and no one knows why. The amount of times I've seen a bloat, not even on a staggb is but like out in a pub, burst out the pub in tears because the songs come on and triggered them or they've read

something and then all their mates go, fuck those what's wrong with him? I can probably tell me why, go back 15 years. Do you find your more emotional after having a kid, Jeff? Like has that opened a kind of part of you? I would say so, yeah, I would say so, because like you go back across stuff, even writing the book as well, to be honest, you just go back across stuff, emotions come out, you have a little cry and stuff, and it just bit by bit by bit, it breaks you down. What have you you th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th tho, I tho, I tho, I that that that tho, I would tho tho tho tho tho, I tho, yeah, yeah, yeah, I tho, I tho, I tho, I tho, I th th th th th. I th. I th, yeah, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th th, I th a cry now oh absolutely love to wall I love to wall I love to wall I love to the chaps about which is sort of a sad bit I was actually cried the whole time I was writing it and at the end I burst out laughing going this feels like a fucking Bridget Jones deleted scene what the fuck what

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trying to get yourself together to take them like waggamamas and we're not match fit with crime because what happens if boys cry a lot probably more than girls up to a certain age and then there's a part the the the the the the the the the the the the their their their their their their their their their their their their their th is a th is a th is a tho tho tho tho tho tho. thr-in is thrown is a tho. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to th the is thrown is thrown is thrown is a thrown is a thrown is a the is thrown is tho. the is tho. the. their is their is their is thooooo. to to to to to to to to to certain age and then there's a part of you that goes right, suck it up and then it reemerges and meanwhile women have had a more sensible relationship with crying, most women have and so they can actually make it look all right. Do you know what I mean? It doesn't look too ugly whereas we're having like some Hulk moment aren't we just like something out of us. Like splitting a little bit all the time where's okay but if you have that one mega meltdown ripping off your shirt radioactivity emanating from I mean it feels like I we normally end with the same question it feels like a very kind of trite question now after the last kind of 15 minutes but we'll still we like to keep to format don't we

Rob we like to keep to format yeah yeah yeah no I'm a fan of the show format is everything yeah yeah let's keep to keep the format, don't we, Rob, we like to keep to format. Yeah, yeah, no, I'm a fan of the show. The format is everything. Yeah, let's keep through. Not on this show, Jeff is... I said it to be nice. Yeah, it's not a format heavy production. Yeah, so the only bit of format is, what is the one thing that your partner does, the thrante is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, is, is, is, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is.... the, is, is, is, is. the, is. the, is, is. the, is. the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, not. the, not. the. the. the. the. the. the, not. the, is. the,rates you but you can't say anything because it'll kick off indoors but this is your opportunity to vent and if she listened you might go you know what I think Jeffrey's got a point. The thing is he's like in this moment I was thinking like this question yeah I feel scared I do feel scared

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sellout but also coming across is really fake like I think I think I do think and I realize now I've done a lot of gender stereotypes but you know if you if you like all that come to the tour there's plenty more where that come from but I do I do I do sort of I love them in a way way th you th you th you th you th you th I th I th I th I th I th I th I th I th I th I th I th I th I th I th th I th th th th th thus th to thus to the to the. I thus I thus I the. I the. I the. I thi thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I to to th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I way because I'm fascinated by women's stuff and I think that on balance I think women have a far more, they have far more of an idea of how they want stuff to be right? So if it's Christmas morning they're like, you know what today would be really nice if he was on really good form and being really charming my folks and they will sometimes think about this stuff whereas. It would be great if she just bought me a sandwich for no reason. Yeah, you don't. Yeah. Actually, that's the one thing I have for. But there is, there's generally not that much of a playbook. So that is one thing. Jeff. It's brilliant,

speak to you. Thank you so much. And thank you for being so kind of open. No, no, thanks for having us on. the book. the book. the book. the book. the book. the book. the book. the book. the book. the book. the book. the book. the book. the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. tho. tho. tho. tho. th. that's, th. th. that's, that's th. th. th. that's, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. thoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. th. we get it? Probably the internet and it will get it from the internet. Yeah, I mean, if you go, like, it's type in the words, Jeff Norcott book. That is gonna be, I've only got one. You know what I mean? It's not that good a name where you're gonna have other people even called that, let alone authors. So that'll get you the tooo, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, the, to, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, too, too, to, they........ tip. the, the, the, the, the, the, tour and act it's almost certainly going to go ahead. So, which is actually called I blame the parents. So yeah, that will be going from 1st of September. And well done for I think opening up and talking because I think people really appreciate and for anyone else is gone through certain things with miscarriage and stuff.

What's that email address one more time for people? Yeah, if you want to just chat to me and carry on the discussion on on on on the discussion on the discussion on the discussion on the discussion on the discussion on the discussion on the discussion on to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to me on to me on to me on to me on to me on to me on to me on to me on to me and carry on to me and carry on to me on to me. I'm to me. I'm to me, to me, to to to to to to me, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I I, I I, I their, I I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I'm their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, tho.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e, th.e, me about and carry on the discussion, it's what most people think UK at Gmail.com. Or if you want to sort of like troll me just for being a Tori and an asshole, that's a really good way of getting to me directly. And it's what most people think is your podcast as well, is that right? Oh, I can't believe that. I mean, that's the you're not you're not a brand name guy I this is the most confusing email address and name of a show it sounds like the start of a sentence and you a Gmail jumps out of nowhere at you I just with titles for stuff I just keep throwing shit at a war just keep adding words where did I go

right how the left lost me what most people just google Jeff no it's all on a website yeah you can't they'll try to the the the the the th th th th they they they they they th th th they they they th they they to to to to th th th th to th to th th to th to th th to th th th th th the the just just just just just just just just just th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th to just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to thi to thi the thi thi the thi thi to the to th th th. All right. It will be. You don't want to rush into a website. They might not take off. Cheers, Jeff. Cheers, Jeff. No, Cart. Love Jeff. Love Jeff. Good guy.

Yeah. Good comic. Always has his hair perfectly in place. That's right. His hair is always perfectly in place. I've never seen it long, even in long that I think he did it himself. Always very clean cut. Loads good stuff there. I think it's great that you spoke about miscarriages and things like that. It's got to be spoken about more, definitely.

It definitely has. The reason I haven't spoken about it is because when Rose was pregnant, which was like, I know this sounds mad, but you don't want to tempt fate. I was just like, I just want to get to the end of this without going. It didn't feel like I wanted to say, but now we've got a happy ending because we're pregnant again, because you still feel like you're part of it. When you're pregnant after miscarriage, I'm sure we'll go into it on another day, I don't think it's one for the outro, but every th......... I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm th. th. thi, I'm thi, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th, I'm th, I'm th, I'm th. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I th........ I th. I, I, I, I, I th. I, I, I th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thin, thin, th. thin, th. th. thin, th. the thin, th. the th don't feel before. Yeah it's horrible as well and especially for some people like that may happen and then it never happens so then they feel like they can never talk about it where if you do have a your first or second or third baby you can afterwards go oh I had a miscarriage because you've sort of got the baby they sort of feel like it's okay to talk about but I'm a. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th so so th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. that that that that that may may may may that may that's that may that may that may that may that may may that may may may that may may may may may may that may may may may may may may may may may may may may may may may may may may may may may may may may may may may may may may may may may may may may may may may may may may. that's that's th. that's th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. that's they they're they're they're they're they're t. toy. toy. toy. that's that that that that that that that that that may that may that may that may that may that may that may know, they want to mention the same with even trying, like even before that stage of having IVF and not working and stuff, but I think the more people

talk about it, the easier everything is. And that's not just about babies and trying for kids, anything with like grief or sadness and stuff like that. But that's brilliant. It's so kind of kind of Jeff to put his email address out. So if you are want any any any any any the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the more the more the more the more the more the more the more the more the more the more the more the more the the more the more the the the of. the more the more the more the more of. the more the the more the more the more the more the more the more the more the more the more the more the more the more the more the more the more the more the more the more the more the more the more the more the more the more the more the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the tiea. tiea. tiea. tha. tiea. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. the easier easier the easier the easier the easier the easier the easier the easier. I think in Jeff's case it was very, very late miscarriage. It wasn't a early doors one, I think. So that's very kind of Jeff. So yeah, it's what most people think at Gmail.com if you want to get in contact. I think it's what most people think at Gmail. Oh, I mean, I love Jeff. Let's be honest. Let's be honest. Let's be honest. the terrible name. It's that. It's that's that's that's that's that's that's the email email email email. It's that. It's the email. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's that's that's th. It's that's th. It's that's that's that's th. It's that's what th. It's that's kind. It's what th. It's what th. It's what most th. It's kind. It's kind. It's kind. It's kind. It's kind. It's kind. It's kind. It's kind. It's kind. It's kind. It's kind. It's kind. It's kind. It's kind. It's kind. It's kind. It's that's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's what. It's what. It's what. It's what. It's what. It's what. It's what. It's what. It's what. It's what. It's what. It's what. It's what. It's what. It's what. It's what. It's what. It's what. It's what. It's what. It's what. It's not. I love Jeff. How's it? How's he not managed to get it's what most people think at Gmail.com. Someone's already got that quite shit email address. Just call it Jeff Norcott podcast. Anyway, I don't know why I'm giving it. We're saying how great he's done. Now I'm giving him shit for his branding. I really like everything about Jeff except his ability to do an email address. Yeah. It's what most most the the the said it. That was such a London delivery, wouldn't it? It's what most people think UK at Gmail.com. What was that?

The first time he said it, I'm not going to lie. I thought his email was UK at Gmail.com. I was like, how the fuck did you get that? I thought he'd gone, you'd gone, what's your email address? It's what the the the the the thua the thua thua thua th. I's th. I's thu. I's th. I's th. I's tho. I's th. I's tho. I's tho. I's tho. I's tho. I was tho. I was tho. I was that. I was tho. I was, it's tho. I was, it's tho. I was, it's. I was, it's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's what. It's what. It's what. It's what. It's what. It's what. It's what. It's what. It's what. It's what. It's what. It's what. It's what. It's what. It's what. It's what. It's what. It's what. It's's your email address? It's what most people think. UK at Gmail.com. I was like, yeah, I've always thought that. I was thinking the other day. I bet Jeff Norcott's email is UK at Gmail. Dot com, absolutely legend.

Oh dear. Anyway, give him an email if you want to chat and he can point you in the right direction for any advice and stuff. But thanks for listening. We'll be back with another episode next week. Cheers guys. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Do you ever feel like topical comedy only ever tends to come from one angle? Well, I'm Jeff Norcott, host of what most people think.

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