Parenting Hell with Rob Beckett and Josh Widdicombe - S03 EP26: Charlotte Church

Episode Date: October 8, 2021

S03 EP26: Charlotte ChurchJoining us this episode to discuss the highs and lows of parenting (and life) is the brilliant singer-songwriter, actress, television presenter and political activist, Charlotte Church. Please rate and review. Thanks - Rob and Josh xxxIf you want to get in touch with the show here's how:EMAIL: [e-mail]: @parenting_hellINSTAGRAM: @parentinghellA 'Keep It Light Media' Production Sales, advertising, and general enquiries: [e-mail] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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of modern day parenting each week we're chatting to a famous parent about how they're coping. Or hopefully how they're not coping. And we'll also be hearing from you the listener with your tips, advice and of course, Tales of Parenting Woe. Because let's be honest, there are plenty of times where none of us the th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi, thi, thi, thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi to to to thi thi toeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. thi. thi also be hearing from you the listener with your tips, advice and of course, tales of parenting woe. Because let's be honest, there are plenty of times when none of us know what we're doing. Hello you are listening to Parenting Hell with. Iris, can you say Rob Beckettett? And can you say Josh Widdickum? Good girl. There we go. Good work Iris.

Hello, Rob and Josh. I hope you both well. I've listened to the podcast from the very beginning. It's got me through some very frustrating times, parenting my two and four years old. This is my youngest daughter, Iris. Her big sister has recently started school and so she's feeling a little bit lost without her partner and crime constantly by her side. We're both loving a little more quality time together. Keep up the good work. Lucy from Crick near rugby. I found myself saying something this week Rob.

Yeah. And I thought I've turned into my dad. I said send them back. Yeah I said get the gunboats. No I said... Send them back. I said get the gunboats. No I said it was cold I said I'm sorry but I'm promising to myself that we don't turn the central heating on until at least October. Yeah yeah so my friends having the same discussion he said he's been negotiated with his wife when they can turn the heating on but you can't pick a day you have to pick a temperature surely that's the rule. I know I know I'm I'm in the th I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th th th th th th th th th tho tho tho tho tho tho tho thoo- thoo-n. tho-I theeeea. theean tho-I tho-I the. th his wife when they can turn the heating on but you can't pick a date you have to pick a temperature surely that's the rule. I know I know I'm in the wrong Rob I know I'm not listening to the science. I'm sick of experts. Yeah but I just thought I can't I'm sorry central heating in September is an absolute no on my watch. Yeah I mean yeah because it does like in the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. I th. I th. I th. I'm. I'm. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm that's. I'm to to to to to to to to to. I'm to. I'm to. I'm that's is. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm is. I'm is. I'm is. I'm is. I'm is. I'm is. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm t. I'm t. I'm. I'm t. I'm. I'm t. I'm. I know. I'm. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I mean, yeah, because it does, like, in the mornings I've found have been so horrendous

and rainy and bleak. And then by the afternoon, I'm like, it's like tops off in the garden, isn't it? Yes. No? Not getting off in the garden? Well, you know, Rob, I haven't had and you'll be alright. You get there. Yeah, exactly. That's my thing. I'm trying to get down. I'm trying to get thinner. I don't need bulk. I've got bulk.

I've got bulk. I might have got massive, like, bloke tits that are either wobbly me that so early in the podcast job. I look like my, if I go to the gym a lot, my breasts, my pets look like. You look like that first person to get a boob job in the world. Just rock hard, then work the science out, they were bigger. You look like Lola Ferrari. She used to be on Euro trash. She was a kind of, she's one of the first big boob job models. Oh really?

What are the first? Lola Ferrari. Oh, all the fola from Big Brother. Yeah, oh yeah, a bit like Lola Ferrari or Aller from Big Brother. She had fake boobes, didn't she? Remember Aller from Big Brother? Which Big Brother was that? All are from, um, I can't, I can't. Do you know, Carol from Big Brother was heckling Kear Starman? Absolutely astonishing. I couldn't believe that.

All of from Big Brother, she had fake boobs, that was quite early on. Oh, that's too far after my, um, my love of Big Brother. Oh, really? I fucking loved Big Brother is still possibly my favorite series of anything ever. When Bubble hurt his knee, when he run into that thing. That was a glorious moment. Absolutely wonderful. When Bubble Hurt is hurt his knee, when nasty Nick was confronted. Kate Lawler and Johnny the Fireman.

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I don't remember that one. Oh Tim. Oh, Tim. Oh, the guy shavingthrough that without mentioning Kinger, which I think is a victory for everyone involved. Oh, Kinger! Oh, and when Michelle and someone else had sex under the table, do you remember that? Yes! Oh, glory days. Blow job under a duvee with a fixed camera, that was Telly.

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We're very excited to have you on Charlotte. Hello! Oh there we go. It's definitely her. Even that was good. I don't think you've had a national treasure on before. I'd tell you a national treasure Charlotte, would you take that? Oh, do you think I've reached national treasure status? Yeah, I think I think I think I think I think so? Yeah I think I think I think I think I think I think I think I think I th th th th th th th th th th thi I thi I thi I thi I thi I thi I thi I think I think I think I think I think I think I think I think I think I think I think I think I think I think I think I think I think I think I think I think I th. I th. I th. I thi thi thi thi. I thi that I that I that I that I that I that I that I th. that I that I th. that I that I that I that I th. I that I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I thin I think I think I think I think I think I think I think I think I think I think I think I think I think I think I think I think I think I think I think I think I think I think I think I think I think I think I think I think I think I Allen. I think that's the closest we've got. Ah, that's very kind of you. I mean, who knows? There is a, there's certainly no ceremonial process for it. I'd say a very young national treasure because you've been famous for so long. I forget how young you are still. Yeah, I mean, I don't feel very young currently. I'm 35 now. And yeah, I mean, the grey hairs are starting and it's a bit of a shocker isn't it? Well because how old are your kids as well you've got two kids is that right?

I've got three I've got a new three yeah I've got a new baby who's just she's just gone one. Oh yeah you're other two are slightly older aren't they so I think you're here too. Yeah and then I've got some bigans who were 14 and 12. So, oh my god, that's a big gap. So you got 14, 12 and one of one year old. Yeah, absolutely. What's it like? As it felt familiar or is it felt like a different experience having a baby third time around?

I think that it's felt very, very familiar, and I just love it. I just mothering. I love all the different ages. I love having a newborn. I did love birth, but then my third birth absolutely came and like, bitch slap me in the face. Really? Was you overconfident? I was so unbelievably overconfident. Because the first two times, I was 21 and 22 and you know, my body knew just what to do. And I had two home births. I the their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I was, thi. I was, ths. I was, ths. I was, ths. I was thi, I was, ths. I was, th. I was, th. I was, th. I was, I was th. I was th. I was th. I was th. I was th. I was th. I was th. I th. I th. I th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I, thi, thi, th. I was thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. I was thi. I thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I was thi. I was thimes. I was 21 and 22 and you know my body knew just what to do and I had two home births

and they were quite simple and I mean don't get me wrong it was still birth it's still like incredibly intense and pay the rest of it but. Again I mean a long old flight's a long old flight with you're in economy or business you know what I mean so quite but it was like the third time around I mean I've become quite a nature lover, stroke, tree hugger, like quite deep hippie in the interim of having my first two and little baby Frida. And so I'd set this birth palace outside basically amongst the trees. Oh wow. No way. I dried flowers, like I mean it was so involved.

It looked like a bas-lumen set, candles to wear. So I labored in there overnight, which was beautiful. But then I had a screaming on the bathroom floor. Oh really? You decamped inside, yeah, but yeah, so Mother Nature came and went, sit down, silly lady. As if you've been just making beautiful spaces for this moment for the past month. You'll have a smuling on the bathroom floor. Oh God. What was the point when you went, we need to go inside? It started drizzling in about 7 a.m. I lived next to a golf course and I could really hear the point when you went, we need to go inside? It started drizzling at about 7 a.m. and I lived next to a golf course and I could really

hear the golfers. And as my noise could, I'm a noisy woman anyway, that's actually you know in any sort of pain or anything. So as my noise started to up I thought this is not going to work. Imagine shanking it into the rough and trying to point your pole and discover Charlotte Church giving birth. Burrthing in the trees. I mean I'd leave that. That's what those golfers need actually. Yeah it livens up around isn't it? There needs to be a bit of divine feminine on the golf course I feel. And has it been a bit of divinethe sleepless nights and things like that, or you're just a lot more confident, you know, because you've already had to?

I mean, oh no, I mean, we've had all the sleepless nights and all of it, but I mean, I just, I'm completely elated by her, by this new addition to the family, by how she's changed the whole, our whole family dynamic. You know, it was getting to a point a point a point a point a point a point a point a point a point a point a point a point a point a point a point a point a point a the the the their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. to, to, to, to, to, to, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, the the th. th. their, th. to. th. to. to. t t to. t t t t t t t t to. to. to. to. to. was getting to a point, I think, before when the bigger ones start, you know, they're starting the process of adolescence and so they start to grow away from you a bit, but actually she's really connected us all. Ah, made everybody a bit softer, a bit gentler. Yeah. Oh, that's nice. Yeah, I mean, it's just been, it's been totally lush. But I love. I th, it's just th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi, it's thi, it's just thi, it's just thi, it's just thi. thi, it's the the the the the the the the the the the the the their their their their their their they're they're they're they're they're they's they's they's they's they's their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, thi. thi. that. that that thou. that thou. that the. that that their start. their start. their start. their their their the love the whole thing. Parenting is unbelievably difficult. And you do so much soul-searching, but in my mind, it's my absolute, it's the pinnacle of my existence,

and it's, I love it. Do you think, Rob, in 10 years, then, that's what you're gonna need to do to re-engage your daughters? What, I have a child with a child. I have a child in the woods. It's going to be a hard sell at home. She's a national treasure loo. No, I don't, I don't know. I mean, I suppose it must have been crazy for you though, Charlotte, because you had them quite young, and obviously you became mega famous quite young. Was it all bit a whirlwind at that point then? And now you're a little bit older, it's a bit calmer having the babies?

No. Yes, in a way, your 20s is way more chaotic and especially, you know, I was 21 and 22 having Ruby and Dexter. So much younger and therefore, yeah, things are much more of a world wind, much more chaotic. But in a way, things are simpler because you haven't quite amassed that knowledge, the complexity of an ignorance is bliss almost, isn't it? Totally, like your relationships aren't as well formed as they are when you're in your 30s and you know, you start to understand so much more and generally you grow, you know, in responsibilities,

your level of responsibilities is growing as well throughout your 20s and 30s. So in a way, yes, I'm more stated and karma and I know myself better and it's less chaotic, but in another way it's so much more complex. Yeah. And I suppose also because back then was the start of my parenting journey and all of the learning that I've done subsequently about children and human beings and cognitive development and because I've done all of that research to do with the school with the learning community that I set up. So but with all of that knowledge now that does make things a lot more complex. Do you homeschooled your kids is that right for a period and now you've set up a of that knowledge now, that does make things a lot more complex. You homeschooled your kids, is that right for a period? And now you've set up a school that sort of, is it like an annex onto your house? So you've opened this school? Is it

like 20, 20 kids? Is that right? I mean, I've looked it up a little bit, but it's basically, it's a daily mail article, so what's a school you've set up? So, so the school, so the school, so the school, so th, so th. So, so th. So, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, what's a school, th. So, th. th. th. thi, thi, to, to, to, thi, thi, is a school, is a school, is a school, is a school, is a school, is a school, is a school, is a school, is a school, is a school, is a school, is a school, a school, a school, a school, a school, a school, a school, a school, a school, what's a school, what's a school, what's a school, what's a school, what's a school, what's a school, what's a school, what's a school, what's a school, what's a school, what's a school, what's a school, what's a school, what's a school, what's a school, what's a school, what's a school, what's a school, what's a school, what's a school, what's a school, what's a school, what's a school, what's a school, what's a school, what's a school, what's a school, what's a school you've set up? So basically, it's a learning community called the Awen Project. So for the first year, yes, you're right, we were in the annex of my house and we were registered as a school. And then when COVID hit, we lost funding, we lost the ability to be able to, we lost our planning permission basically to be in the annex. And so then we retreated into the woods.

And now we've got a partnership with the Woodland Trust, but we could only give basically less than half of the education. So now we're just what we're not a school, we're classed as a learning community. But the important part of what we do is that we're free to attend. It's democratic education, which means that the young people and, and, I mean, everybody who works in the environment, so the facilitators as well, everybody has an equal say in everything that happens in the school. So there's no, there's no coercion,

it's all based around consent and people's, you know, passions and what they're interested in and what they want to work on. Do you find the kids taking a lot of responsibility in that position? And does it kind of give them a kind of investment in the situation? Absolutely. I think that this is the way in which humans have been learning for millennia. What age groups is it for? So at the moment we've got 15 students between the ages of 9 and 14. Yeah. And eventually we want to be in all the way through school or all the way through learning communities, so three till 17 basically.

Yes. But I don't just want to set up one. What we're hoping to do is to make each of these little learning communities self-sufficient by setting up businesses, after school clubs, summer clubs, all sorts of different things that we can do to earn money and be self-sustaining. And then hopefully because they're co-created by the kids and their families and whatever facilitators or teachers are in that environment, then they can pop up in any circumstance. So you could have one in inner city Birmingham, you could have one in rural Pembrokeshire,

you can even have one in the slums of Mumbai because each one sort of grows and evolves and adapts to that set of people and their needs. So I'm really passionate about education and I'm really passionate about 21st century education which currently I don't think we're providing, but I'm also really passionate about that being free. So would this be a replacement of traditional schooling or would it run alongside it? Like at the moment, your kids, do they just come to your school and then at 14 go to like a government school to do GSEs and stuff like that? How is it working? Well at the moment, it's our age to 14 because that's the age.... And, the the th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, the, th. And, th, th, the, the, the, the, thi, thi, th. And, th, th, th, the, the, the, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, and, is, and, is, is, is, is, is, the they. And, they. And, they.a, they.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a. And, their, the the their, their, they.a, is, is, is, the moment it's our age range is 9 to 14 because that's the age of the kids, but they'll stay with us through that, through the, you know, crew to the end of their education.

Oh, okay, so they'll stay through to 16, 17, 18. Yeah, absolutely. And then do you do qualifications and stuff like that, or is it all the other side of it is homeschooling. Oh, okay. We're supporting parents to homeschool, but also, I mean, there's so many resources online nowadays. So, this parent community is amazing and they start to develop their own systems and a resource base and all of this sort of stuff. So, in terms of exams and GCSEs, the kids can do what they want to do and will support them in whatever they do to do. So one of them might want to do a BTEC, one of them might want to do 11 GCSEs, you know,

somebody might say I don't want to do any GCSs at all and I know that I want to go into this, you know, you know, their two, their, to, to, to, to, to, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you And are your two older children go there, presumably. Yeah, absolutely. Imagine that, no, they're in the private one, don't fuck about that, into my levels, mate. Can't get you cast points in the woods. That's amazing if you'd say, but no, no, absolutely not. I'm a Gideonwood socialist. Yeah. When you're a teenager, Charlotte, Charlotte, and th a Gideonwood socialist. Yeah.

When you were a teenager, Charlotte and at school, were you at school at secondary school? Were you flying around the globe, singing and stuff? How did that work for you when you were growing up? I did both. So I had two tutors when I was on the road. What age? It was 11. Is that right, Charlotte, you broke through, your big break? Yeah, my big break came when I was about 11 and then I had my first album out of 12. Yeah, thanks Josh, I've done my research actually. Well done, Robert. Yeah, you sung it on this morning over the telephone in 97.

Yes, thanks to double check and you're Welsh right? That's correct. Just a little bit. I've done my research as well, thank you very much. Rob. So what was that like as a teenager who's kind of forming their kind of self in the public eye? That must have been such a strange kind of few years, right? It was fraught in many ways, like most people's adolescences. I missed my friends loads, like often I'd be like, oh my God, I hate singing for presidents, I just want to go. Just want a hooch in the park. I want to go to the end 18 disco in creation and snuck everyone. Which president did you sing for?

I sang for... Garby, a bit of a dark time, I sang for President Bush a number of times and President Clinton. I did Bush's inauguration. Did you? Yeah. Blimey. How did that work out? It was great actually. I wasn't politically active at the time and I didn't really understand otherwise I never went back in the right wingers. What was that like as a day though as an 11 year what but did you say you're how old you know I must have been about 14 I was it was just before my 15th birthday it was odd I mean I was in what but I went hell of an experience that's what I was going to to move on to even though it was fraught and there were ways in which I wanted to be home and I wanted to be normal and you know, because I did go to school as well for the other half when I was back home. Are you going into school on the Monday going, what did you get up at the tour of the weekend? I was singing on the Capitol Hill for President Bush. Yeah, your Monday morning diary is that, is is is is, is, is, is, is, is, that, that, that, that, that, that, th. thii, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, the the like the first autobiography, it's unbelievable. That teacher got a free copy.

Totally. But I mean, the other thing that I'm so privileged to have had is all of those insanely amazing experiences. So you know, whether it was singing with different orchestras around the world, whether it was, you know, going to amazing ancient complex places like Israel and really starting to understand the, you know, historical and political conflicts there, whether it's, you know, looking at out of the window of the coach, which has taken me and Kelsey Grammar and a whole load of other celebs to this inauguration for President Bush and seeing massive protests outside. I mean it was just such an education. I know this is a weird thing to drill down on. You're just sat on a bus with Kelsey Grammar. That's how you get to the

the inauguration. You're just all bust in the kind of celebs. Oh yeah, just bust in. I mean because of the Secret Service and stuff there's so much security. that that's that's that's that's that's th and th and th and th and th and th and th and th and th and th and th and th and th and th and th and th and th and the th th th the kind of celebs. Oh yeah, just bust in. I mean, because of the secret service and stuff, there's so much security. So, yeah, the vetting process was pretty hardcore. And there must be people there, you've gone out, you've gone right to this. Don't know. It's always fun and so you see someone else on the bus.

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Because they're at the same age as you were when all that was happening? Yeah. Do you have a different perspective on it now about, oh my god, how young you were you you you you you to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the to to the to to the to to to the to the to to the to to to to to their to to to to to to their to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the. the. the. the the. the the the the. the the. the. the. the. the. toooooooooooo. to to things like that. Does it make you look back and reflect differently? Not particularly. I mean I sometimes, I sometimes think about it with my daughter. But you know, I think that actually it got really invasive and really difficult at about 15, 16 when the press started going for me. Yeah. Before then, you know, it was in the majority just really positive.

Hard, difficult, really a lot of work, but it was it's sort of it got a bit poisonous when I was 15, 16 and the past turned to be honest. The cliche with sort of child stars and people become super, you was like one of the most famous people in the world in that period. Like, you know, normally it doesn't end up quite a negative storyline normally when you look at the the sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort,, the sort,, the sort, the sort, the sort, the sort, the sort, the sort, the sort, the sort, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, the sort, just, just, just, the sort, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th try try try ttry try ttry ttry try tttry try ttry ttry try ttrys trys tho tho tho th of the most famous people in the world in that period. Like, you know, normally it doesn't end up quite a negative storyline normally when you look at the sort of child starts and going back a few years. So like, you seem so with it and in control and sort of very mature. Like, have you had to work on that or did you just, like, how do you think you come out of it so composed and in charge of your own life rather than th... th. the th. their th. their th. th. their th. th. th. their th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort, their their their their their their their their their their thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. to thi. to theea. to to thea. thi. thi. thi. I's thi. I's thi. I's their their the some people go spiral slightly? I think that in a way I had this music, like I had this deeply, even though I'm not religious, like this, but I was just singing this deeply sacred music with, like I said, orchestras all over the world and I loved singing

and I do think that that was a balm. That just acted, it just really soothed me and I always had that. It was like a constant companion where I could, whatever sadness, whatever grief, whatever anger, you know, I could always sort of channel it into singing in this beautiful sacred music. So I think that had a role to play.

This sounds ridiculous now, but I've also got quite a slow heartbeat. Honestly. No one was expecting that turn in the road. My heart rate is generally like high 50s. Yeah. No school run, that's why. I honestly think that that's played a part because I think that, yeah, I'm just not as quick to stress or, you know, my, literally the mechanics of my body is a bit calmer. And I think that's really helped that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's really that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the turning the turning turning turning turning turning turning turning turning turning turning the turning turning turning turning the turning turning turning turning to to to to stress or, you know, my, literally, the mechanics of my body is a bit calmer. And I think that's really helped. It's so funny, but, and also, I think probably more important than anything, and this was both a blessing and a curse was that I came from a super duper working class family. And so in part, I mean, that comes with its own shit, don't get me wrong. Complex family stuff. But also, I had a perspective then. I wasn't born privileged.

Yeah. And so to then be in this world of privilege and traveling and all of that, I really appreciated it. Yeah. I was, I was full of awe and wonder for everything that was happening because I had even though I I hadn't had a long time you know just in Cardiff growing up in a normal working-class family I still understood what it was and my family really knew what it was you know none of us had ever ever nobody in my lineage has ever even gone to uni yet, including me, and so it was like it was like I was plucked from obscurity. I think that sort of, you know, the success and the money and the fame and stuff

like that, but didn't that impact on a being working class so that's sort of almost like a guilt of it of like why has this happened to me and not other people and stuff like that because it was that you you you you you you you you you th a thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi. thi. thi. that's that's that's that's thi. that's thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi is thi is like the is like theeeeeean thean theiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii. thi is thi stuff like that? Because it was like you know there's poverty mindset is where you know if you do come into money so you don't know how to deal with it or what to do because there's no experience within your family of how to deal with that kind of stuff. So was that not difficult to cope with or did you find that quite quite easy? I mean that's definitely happens you know within within my family and you know more money more problems it has created issues and difficulties and but I mean it was different for me because I was a kid so you quickly adapt yeah but mind you like I still and I think lots of people people will feel like this even though you become you know monetarily successful I

still very much feel like I'm working class, like I'm from working-class stock, because, you know, generations of my family have been. So, you know, deep within my DNA is, you know, peasant stock. They're all for workouts, everybody was an alcoholic, you know, so. You know, that's deep within my makeup. And, and, and, and, and, and, an alcoholic, you know, so, you know, that's deep within my makeup and whilst, you know, my life has gone a different way to that of my ancestors, which I'm, you know, very thankful for and grateful for the choices now that I'm able to make, I'm hoping that I'm making choices that will still honour, you know, what they went through. Yeah, well, I think you've done brilliately because it is very, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you, you, you know, you know, you, you know, you know, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you know, you know, you know, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th.'m making choices that will still honour, you know, what they went through. Yeah, well, I think you've done brilliantly because it's a very, you know, a massive head-fuck

thing to deal with, especially from a young age, but it sounds like you've really got your your head together, which is so important, I think. Yeah, I mean, and also, to bethe fact that we've not had it before. So I did, I just, I spent it all willy-nilly. I gave everybody money, but that's good as well. Like you should, money is energy and you shouldn't just let it stockpile. You know, it should be, it should be free flowing throughout the world. So, you know, all of this hereditary wealth and stuff,

this is some of the main problems of our society is this accumulated wealth where you know, 60 people in the world own half of the world. That's not right. Something's got to give there, so I did. And now I'm in. How would you feel if your daughter came to you and said I've been asked to sing on TV, how would you feel about that? Would you be excited or would you kind of would it bring back a load of things where you're like oh God? Yeah I'd be really nervous. Yeah but you know what I'm really doing with my kids is I am allowing them agency you know I'm giving the autonomy to be the leaders of their own lives and and playing my supporting to to to to their. to their. their. their. their. I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I their. I th. I's their. I's th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. I'm to. I'm to. I'm to. I'm to. I'm. I'm. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I's. I'm. I's. I'm. I'm. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. t. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm, I'm giving them autonomy to to be the leaders of their own lives and and

playing my supporting role, which is I think what parents should be doing, not trying to either live vicariously through their children or create a perfect little mini-me. At the end of the day, the choice would be hers. But I would be nervous, absolutely. Did you ever like debate whether you should be doing certain shows or certain like was there or did it feel like when you're a teenage I suppose oh great I'll just do this I'll just do that do you know I mean I I can't imagine at that point thinking I'm not gonna do the inauguration. Oh I it was constantly talked about you know my image that the marketing plan and the majority of the time because from like 1314 I th I I I I it it it it it it it it it th I I I it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was I I the the the the the the the th I th I th I th I was th I was the th I was th I was th th th th th th th th th th I was th I was thi thi the thi the the thi the the the thi the the thi thi. thi. I was th. I was th. I th. I th th th th th th th th I th I th I th I th I th I th I th I th I th I th I th I th I th I was th I was th I was th I was th I was th. I was th. I was th. I was the thi the the the the the the the the the the the the the thi thi thi thi the majority of the time, because from like 13-14, I was,

all I was into was, you know, R&B and hip-hop and soul and gospel. And so that's where all of my musical passion and stuff was going, but there was no way that they were going to let me. Charlotte Church does a reggae album at the age of 14 would have been a purple wouldn't it? That was not within the you know the master plan so yeah I mean it was definitely curated and my image and stuff was highly curated but not by me. Yeah. From that you know you was a child really like 10 11 and 12 your first album do you think you that lose of control when you should be your most creative?

Do you reckon that informed your decision to allow your kids to choose their own path? Because you couldn't. I mean, on a subconscious level, absolutely, I reckon you could psychoanalyze the bajes out of it. But I also think that, you know, I'm just following what the gold standard is for 21st century education nowadays. Do you really enjoy teaching because you when the Zoom call started you had you were like oh sorry my settings are wrong because I've been teaching music on Zoom yes do you enjoy that process of teaching music to young people? I think that I'm only just finding a practice.

So I'm going to be training over the next couple of years to be a sound healing practitioner. What's that? So it's where you are basically using whether it's your voice or gongs or bells or whatever for people's healing. The idea being that we're all frequencies, you know, we're all vibrating. Each one of yourselves is vibrating at a frequency. We are all energy and that's lots of healing can happen through music. And I think that's pretty universal when you think about breakup, the first thing you turn to is music. In grief a lot of the time, the first thing you turn to is music. Yeah, you're self-soothing with the music, yourself, you know, you put that song on to, I've got a playlist that gets me to sleep, you know, like certain songs, and then it's

just so, I think I think people use music that way. I think, I think sometimes, thin' their music to make yourself feel better whether it's to be excited for a night out or calm down after a stress all day at work but I think I think sometimes it's more like the name of something makes people get scared and panicked from their own sort of insecurities but the reality is is actually something that's quite simple that we're already doing yeah exactly exactly that the that you're that that that that that that that that that that that that that that the the the the that the the that that that their that their that that that that their that their that that that that that that that that that that that that their their that we're that we're that we're that we're that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their Exactly. And so with your one-year-old, so will she go into any sort of preschool nursery or she'll just be all sort of homeschooled as it were now all the way through? Did any of your kids try out nurseries and stuff like that or is it straight into homeschooling?

No, yeah, the big ones did. They went to nursery for a bit and again it was like, I put them in nursery because that was like what you were supposed to do. Oh, when you've got to this age now, you've got to socialize them and I hated it. They hated it as well. But you know, we persevered for a while and then I found a lovely little Steiner school, a little Steiner kindergarten and that was much better. Because it was just, it was lovely, it was like a home th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi, thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. they're, they're, they're, they're they're they're they're they's they's, they's, they's, they's, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I'm, th. I'm th. I'm thi. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm thi. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I better because it was just it was lovely. It was like a home from home environment but then that wasn't quite right educationally so that's when we were like to be honest when we first started homeschooling it was like oh gosh we've made a mistake here with this

alternative education everybody was right our family was right what have we done? And so we were like well we'll homeschool them for a year till we get them back to where they should be in mainstream and then they can go into the mainstream system. But then after that first year, we had such a great time of exploring together and getting to know the kids better and, you know, really understanding them as little human beings and all of that, it was great so we thought well, thiiiii, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thin, thi, thin, thi, thi, thi, thin, thi, thi. thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, thi, thi, thought well let's just continue. So to be honest it was quite accidental that... Oh really? Yeah, that we fell into it really like, because I found with home school and lockdown my youngest three-year-old was like she was fine going to nursery and then she really got panicked about us leaving the house or she going to nursery. She was better now but had that sort of slight sort of like abandonment thing because she wasn't used to being left.

Have your kids been okay then we've like to that you know did they go for sleepovers? Do they go out and about without you and they are comfortable leaving because obviously they have spent a lot of time with you at home with the home school and has that been affected the tour? Are they pretty confident and stuff they're they're They're happy to their own. They're really confident in themselves. But to be honest, I think from young, I have been trying to imbue them with a sense of, you know, their own capacity and capabilities. I remember when my son was like two, we somebody came over and stayed with us who hadn't, wasn't really like part of our friendship group or anything and was basically a new person and

they watched Dexter, this tiny little two-year-old, climb up, make his own like cereal, you know, go to the fridge, get the milk out, and they just watched like absolutely flabbergasted that this little two-year-olds could do this. And it's just because you just set those things up so that, you know, they feel, they have more autonomy and agency from earlier on, but you know, in our society we tend to, because we're all so busy, it's like we don't have enough time. Yeah. This summer, for example, at the start of the year. I was in a yes phase and I just said yes to everything Sounds like Josh's diary. Yeah, I've been in that face since about 2008.

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of self-healing. Totally but I get it now, I don't do it perfectly in the slightest. I lose my shit all the time with it, you know, like I'm not, I'm painting a pretty picture here because that is part of our lives as well. But you know, some of the other stuff is, you know, it's really tricky and you know, we are a lot of the time as well carrying on patents from our own childhoods. Yeah, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. thi thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, to, to, to, to, to, to, toeean, toean, toean, toean, thi. thi. thi. thi. And, You know, and it's about trying to bring them into your conscious mind rather than them being unconscious patterns. But I've still got loads and loads of shit

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But what's sending you over the edge of them and their behavior? Are they doing things to wind you up now as teenagers? I mean, constantly, and I wind them up as well, and I their when I lose my rag I'm completely unreasonable. I mean I will say sorry like I'm really good at saying sorry but they are also completely unreasonable. And you know I mean it gets to the stage where you know when you do become that sort of human taxi service and such and that sometimes they can be quite callous and it is. and it is in a the the is in a the same the same the same, I mean, I the the the th. I is, I the the the the the the the the the same, I the same, I the the same, I their. I their. I their, I their, I their, I the their, I will the the the the the the their, I will the same. I will their, I will their their their their their them. I their their them. I their their their their, I their, I their, I their, I their, I their, I their, I their, I their, I their, I their, I their, I their, I their, I their, I their, I their, I their, I their, I their, I will, I will, I will, I will their, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm their, I'm their, I'm their, I'm their, I'm their, I'm their, I will, I will the that sort of human taxi service and such, and that sometimes they can be quite callous and it is in a way, it is part of the process. They do sort of need

to reject you and push you away in order for them to have the confidence to make their own lives and to eventually, you know, be able to fly the nest. So at different times, and they go through phases, don't they? So at the moment, we're all in this absolutely gorgeous phase. Everybody's really close. Our communication channels are really great. But, you know, nigh on a year ago, it would be really difficult and my son was like so neandothal man and terrible at communicating and then you know

my daughter would be like just really I can really feel up pulling away and that causes a sort of grief for a parent as well. Yeah. We're trying to hold it all together and we're trying to be big boys and big mummies and daddies about it you know and and be able to deal with the emotions of that. But it's really big. It's a really big grief, I think, this idea of letting your children go. And it happens over a period of time, but certainly when it's come for me, like I said, we're not in that phase at the moment, but I know, I know it's coming again and it will eventually mean that, you know, my babies tha th. th. th. th. that that that that that that that that to be to be to be the to be to be the to be the to be to be their to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be their their to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to phase at the moment, but I know it's coming again and it will eventually mean that, you know, my babies leave. Maybe we should be better at talking about it. Well, that's the thing though, you say that, but the teenagers, I mean,

is a teenage boy, I didn't want to talk about anything. And especially now, it's like social media and phones and tick to tick, what, you, you, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, th. And, th. And, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you're, you, you, you, you're, you're, you, you, you, you. And, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you. And, you. And, you. And, you, you, you, you, you, you. And, you. And, you, you. And, you. And, you. And, you. And, you. And, you. And, you. And, you. And, you. And, you. And, you. And, you. And, you. And, you. And, you. And, you. And, you. And, you. And, to. And, to. And, to. And, to. And, to. And, to. And, to. And, to. And, to. And, to. And, to. And, to. And, to. And, to. And, to. And want to do that day. What if your foot in your office is I just want to look at tick-to-toc all day? Do you allow that or what's your argument back or how do you manage you know them sort of taking the piss with it? Basically giving them responsibility and handing over responsibility to them isn't something that happens in a day. You know it is a process. However, I do one of my boundaries I think is with phones. What's the church rule? What's the church rule on phones? Well, they don't have phones here in my house. They don't have phones at their house. They don't have phones at their house. No phone?

Yeah. Right. That's the new no tellia at home, in it? They've got it at their dads. Are they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they. Are. Are. Are. Are. Are. Are. Are. Are. Are. Are. Are. Are. Are. Are. Are. Are. Are. Are. They're they, are, are, are, are, are, are, are, are, are, are, are they. They're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're. they're. They're. They're. They're. They're. They're. They. They. They. They. They. They. They. They. They. They. They. They. They. They. They. They. They're. They. They're. They're. They're. They're. They're. They're. They're. They're. They're. They're. They're they. They're they. They're they. They're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're these rules than their dad? I don't think I'm more strict. I think we've got our areas, you know? As a parent, you do that you're passionate about, you know? And for me... So they're allowed to phone at the dad's, they're not here. But they're just leave the phone and it's their dad. And that doesn't mean like like my son still games and they my daughter still Tick Tocks and you know they're still on YouTube and stuff but it's about the addiction essentially.

Yeah because everybody's addicted to it because it's made you know it is a multi-billion dollar industry you every single person who's utilizing this stuff are having your brain chemistry gained essentially. Don't bring that up too much. We need listeners here. We go on to switch off the podcast. And how often about their dads then? How does it split the split up? They go to their dads twice a week on a weekday and on a weekend and that's work for us for you. Do you get screen time reports when they've been to see how long they've been on the boat?

They could be doing like 43 hours in those two days and actually it's more than in a week. I'm binging it. When would you allow them to have phones? Because I assume you've got a phone. I do and I'm really struggling with my phone currently and I'm thinking because at different times I have gone back to a 3310. Oh nice, a bit of snake. I added it for 18 months once and it was delightful. Just 10 text messages as well. It's amazing. Honestly, it's like somebody's turned off the white noise filter.

Really? Yeah. And they're like, oh my gosh, I've got so much space in my mind and in my being. Honestly it's really bizarre. I would highly recommend it to anybody. And so when would you allow them to bring our phone in the house? Because obviously, you know, your boy is 14, I think, is it 14? I know my daughter's 14 and my boy is 12. So she's 14, so it's really, within the next year or so, two thi and to be th 14, their 14, th 14, th 14, that, that, that, that, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th. And, th. And, th, th, th, th, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I. I. I. I. I. So, th. So, thi, thi, thi, I....... So, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thin. And, toooooooooooooi. And, and, tooi. And, tooooooooooooooooooomanananananan. And, toe. And, toe. And, to year or so, two years, she'll be able to go and earn her own money. Yeah. And working a job, so if she, as a job, gets her payback and goes and buys a phone, is that phone still not allowed in your house about age? Have you got an age or like when that's

going to be okay? Because it's getting to a point when they become adults, you know? To be be honest, what was to happen was great for me? that she that she that she that she that she that she that she that she that she that she that she that she that she that she that she that she that she that she that she that she that she that she that she that she was that she was that she was that she was that she was that she was that she was going that she was going, to to to to to to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be that she was that she was that she was that she was that she was that she was that she was that she was that she was that she was to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be th. the. the. that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that that to to be to be that, that, that, that, that, But she asked for a dog instead. That is a good choice. That works great for me. So we'll see, of course there will go to the point where it's just like, okay, fine. But even then, then I will like ring fence, family time and stuff. Yeah. Where we are all handing our phones in or our technology at a certain time so we can be together and we can do other stuff you know that they go for a walk that we can go stargazing and we can go bowling and we can go we can read a book so that we're not just constantly consuming entertainment.

Yeah exactly it's too much for their brains developing it's not to take in in it. Yeah. Oh brilliant, thanks much, Charlotte. It's been great. It's been so great, Charlotte. Thank you so much. Absolutely fascinating. No worries. And where can people find that more about this or your project? So if you follow me on Instagram, I'm the real Charlotte.

Well, no, no, no, our listeners, our listeners, our listeners, our listeners, our listeners, our listeners, our listeners, our listeners, our listeners, our listeners, our listeners, our listeners, our listeners, our listeners, our listeners, our listeners, our listeners, our, our listeners, our listeners, our listeners, our listeners, our listeners, our listeners, our listeners, our listeners, our listeners, our listeners, our listeners, our listeners, our listeners, our listeners, our listeners, our listeners, our listeners, our listeners, our listeners, our, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their a newsletter? No, neither do I. Yeah. I am. I'm a real Charlotte Church on Instagram or on any of the other social media platforms. And yeah, you can find out about all of the cool stuff that's going on. Oh, brilliant. Thank you so much, Charlotte. Thank you so much. Thanks, guys. Let me see. Bye.

Bye. Charlotte Church. Thanks guys, let me think that to you. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. Charlotte Church, George. That way, look at that. Look at the understanding we've got there, Rob. Oh my God, it's like Skoles, Lampard and Gerard. All not working efficiently together. How the fuck did they not win a World Cup?

Jesus Christ! Sick of it, it shouldn't be used better. It should be out of fuck, did that not work? Sorry, I just, that's an old wound that really annoys you. Yeah, sorry, sorry, Rob, I didn't want to reopen that by saying the same thing as you at the same time. John Tering, Rio Ferdinand, Beckham, Sculls, Gerald, Lambert. It sounds like, you know when you play FIFA for ages and absolutely smash it and get to to to to to to to Charlotte Church. How many Charlotte Church fans do you think have enjoyed the last minute of this podcast? I'd say what though, gigs, what a player he was, Ramsey in the middle, Dale. Rush, Oshack, Charlotte Church here. There was more references to Kelsey Grammar than I was expecting. True, yeah that was true. I think, I like, I like, I like, I like, I like, I like, I like, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, th. th. th. the, th. th. th. th. to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. to, th. th. to, to, to, to, the to, to, to, to, to, to, the, the, the, the, the. True, yeah that was true. I think I like my my take on that is. Kelsey Grammar School is something she hates isn't it? Oh man, where's that? Why did I not say that? Why did you not say it, Josh? That's got a weirder can written all over? That's a classic

widders. Oh, disaster. Can we get her back on the zoom, it's been an absolute pleasure. Yes, it's been great. I think I love Charlotte Church. I think she's lovely. I think for someone, I think she's doing really good, really good things and all those community and volunteer projects she does are great. So yeah, give her a follow on Instagram. Great guest and I think it's always interesting and see people's different takes on education and stuff like that. Totally. I'll totally. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi, you, you, you, you, you, thi, thi, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're thi, you thi, you're thi, you're, you're, you's, you thi, you thi, you thi, you thi, you thi, you thi, you thi, you thi, you th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I thi, you thi, you thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I th you know, Celeb story. Exactly. I met him once. Did you? He knows, he's mates with Tom Alan. No, so what? Tom Allen knows Kelsey Grammar and I don't know why. What does Tom Alan know Kelsey Grammar? No idea. But we were out in London. He went, I went, I'm going to meet my mate. 't say I'm meeting my mate. They say I'm meeting my mate. Who is Kelsey Grammar?

You don't just say he's my mate. So I got there and I was all confused because I'm not a massive Frazier Kelsey Kelsey fan. But obviously aware of what it is. I've never watched it. That's what's insane. I never watched it. I was like, hello Kelsey, all I can think was, that's a girl's name. Did you mention it was, did you mention, I should have guessed, I met him at 930 a.m. It's the only time he's...

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