Parenting Hell with Rob Beckett and Josh Widdicombe - S03 EP40 - Ian 'H from Steps' Watkins

Episode Date: November 26, 2021

S03 EP40 - Ian 'H from Steps' Watkins Joining us this episode to discuss the highs and lows of parenting (and life) is Ian 'H from Steps' Watkins.Steps are currently on tour with 'What The Future Holds' - info and tickets can be found here: www.stepsofficial.co.ukThanks - Rob and Josh xxxIf you want to get in touch with the show here's how:EMAIL: [e-mail]: @parenting_hellINSTAGRAM: @parentinghellA 'Keep It Light Media' Production Sales, advertising, and general enquiries: [e-mail] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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and member terms apply hello I'm Rob Beckett I'm I'm Josh Willickham welcome to parents in hell the show in which Josh and I discuss what is really like to be a parent which I would say can be a little tricky. So, to make ourselves and hopefully you feel better about the trials and tribulations of modern-day parenting each week we'll be chatting to a famous parent about how they're coping. Or hopefully how they're not coping. And we'll also be hearing from you, the listener, with your tips, advice and of, of course, tales of the the the the the the the the the their their their their their their their their their their their theirs. theirs. I trials theirs. I trials trials trials trials tri-a. I tri-a. tri-a' tra' tric, tric. A tric. A tric. A tric. A tric. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I tri. tri. tri. tri. tri. tri. tri. tri. tri. tri. tri. trials trials trials trials trials trials ta. A ta. trials trials trials trials trials trials trials trials trials trials. trials. tria. tria. tria. t parent about how they're coping. Or hopefully how they're not coping. And we'll also be hearing from you the listener with your tips, advice, and of course, tales of parenting woe.

Because let's be honest, there are plenty of times when none of us know what we're doing. Hello, you're listening to Parenting Hell with. Can you say Robbeckett? And can you say Josh Whitakum? Josh Witton. There we go. Can I guess? Can I guess? Yep.

Cambridge. Oh, he doesn't say where he's from. Do put where you're from from from from now on so we can have the guessing game. Yes, but don't put fake accents on. No, no, exactly. that's unfair. the show the exactly. That's unfair. Love the show, I know everyone says it, but genuinely it's kept me sane during the lockdowns.

As a man on furlough, while my wife powered through, and then she's done the emoji of the punching hand and the emogy of the big bicep. Working for NHS, Oliver, age three and a half for your intro purposes. We have his brother stroke sister arriving April 2022, so give me time and maybe I'll send another clip for him, stroke her. All right, mate. Um, he wants a double appearance fee.

He's double dipping, and that is from Tim. Thank you very much. How are you, Josh? I've got a stiff-neck story. Oh, go on. So my daughter went on a day out with my wife and her mom. And she's quite into art, my daughter, like doing art. So she decided she wanted to go to an art gallery.

Yeah. They took her to the Tate Modern. Ooh. What I'm doing that? Do you know what, Rob? Rob? Rob, Rob, Rob, Rob, Rob, Rob, Rob, Rob, Rob, Rob, Rob, Rob, Rob, Rob, Rob, Rob, Rob, Rob, Rob, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thank, th, thank, th, th, thank, thank, thank, th, th, th, thank, thank, th, th, th, th, th, th, th. Thank, th. Thank, th. Thank, th. Thank, th. Thank, th. Thank, th. Thank, th. Thank, th. Thank, th. Thank, th. Thank, th. Thank, th. Thank, th. Thank, th. Thank, th. Thank, th. Thank, they took her to the Tate Modern. Ooh. What does he say? Do you know what, Rob? That is not the art gallery to take a four-year-old to. Why not? Because they don't really understand conceptual art, do they?

They didn't understand modern art. Yeah, but aren't the other ones all a bit boring, like National Portrait Gallery? She wanted to see some paintings and she's looking their their their their their their, their, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, that, that, that, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, bit boring like National Portrait Gallery. She wanted to see some paintings and she's looking at a bloody half a car. Do you know what I mean? Well have you been, did you crush it? Trying to get to the petrol station? Yes I know what you mean it's not. I think sometimes they're into that fun stuff like that they want my daughter I need to book it wants to go to see the you know that Japanese that their their their their their their their their Japanese Japanese their their their their Japanese their their Japanese their their Japanese their. It's her Japanese. It's her Japanese. It's her Japanese. It's her Japanese. It's her Japanese. It's her Japanese. It's her. It's her. It's her. I's her. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I want. I want. I want. I want. I want. I want. I want. I want. I want. I want. I want. I want. I want. I want. I want. I want to go. I want to go. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I'm. I. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. to. to. to. to. to. I to. I to. to. I the. the. the. the. the. the. I the. I that Japanese, that's her favorite, yes I mean, I fucking can't remember it. She does pumpkins for yellow and black on. Yeah.

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they went to Leon, but they enjoyed walking over the bridge. Yes. And we, yeah, she's got no respect. And we told her off, but that was her favourite part of the day. Exactly, and that's what she'll remember. Oh, that's good though, so she wants to go somewhere like that, isn't it? Is it good? Well it is, but that's probably killed it, hasn't it? What's it? Are you're going to try Oh, got a little hipster local team. They've got a, you know, like Dulwich Hamlet in the southeast?

Yeah, yeah. Clapton Community Football Club are like that. You know, they've got like, uh, yeah. So it's made of a really good fun. What about West Ham? I just can't do that, Rob. I just don't want her her tha, to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to their their their their to to to their their their their their their their their their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, thoomfoombea, tooombea, tooombea, tooombea, tooombea, tooombea, tooombea, tooombea, their, their, their, support West Ham. But she's from the East End? I just don't want her to support West Ham. Why not? Because I hate them. Why do you hate them? I don't like them as a club. I don't like the ground. The ground is so completely soulless. I mean we're getting into football chat here.

I know but I just, when you're saying you want to support a local team. I find Westhammer the kind of team they think they've got more of a personality than they have. Do you know what I mean? Their fans think they're a bit special, they think they've got a special way of playing. They're constantly bleating on about 1966 as if anyone gives us shit. I mean it would be good to get some terrible to the football. I mean. I their. I their. I their. I their. I their. I th. I th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thin. thinks thinks thinks thinks tho' thinks thin' thin' thinks thinks they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're. They's. They's. They's. They's. They're. They're. They're. They're. th. They're. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I'm thin. I'm th. I'm thin. I th. I th. thooooo. I th. I th. thin. th. I th. I thin. I th. They're th. They're th.the football too young. Because that is a thing that happens a lot. They get the full kit, they take a two-year-old to the football and the kid hates it. So if you've got any stories of kids hate in football. I remember being at Argyle and there was like a kid and their parents, there must be like four or five.

And the moment the first chance chance chance chance chance chance chance chance chance chance chance chance chance had to take her home. It was just horrible. Horrible. You got you can't go to, you've got to wait until they ask I think about seven. When did you go to my first game. My first game is Exter City Rob. Plimplegast. Plimple Gale's greatest rivals. Oh I can't remember I thin' our dad took tod tod to probably probably probably probably probably probably probably probably probably probably probably probably probably probably probably probably probably probably probably probably probably probably probably about about about about about about 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 to to to to to the to their to their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was probably. I was probably. I was probably tod. I was probably tod thing in our house. I went to watch Crystal Palace. I got free tickets from the school. Then my dad took me to an arsenal game once when I was about 11. And then I went, I didn't really go that often, a couple of, I sort of went every now and again, it's like a special treat, so a day out. But you know, I didn't know what was going on because I was gutted that there was no comment. I presumed the commentary was like was boomed

into the stadium. You're a words man and you're a wordsmith, Josh. I love it. I just, I hate going to football just because it's sometimes listen to other people behind me. So that's why I have to be absolutely smashed out my head so I'm the worst. the worst. the worst. the worst. th. th. th. to. to. to. to. to. th. th. th. th. to. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. the th. th. th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm their. the words. the words. the words. the words. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. the words. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I'm the the the the the the the th. I'm th. th. th. th. the the th. the the the th. the the the the the the the the the the, so I'm the worst one. I hate everyone at football. And I'm going to Plymouth v. Charlton today and I'm already thinking, oh God, people. And also what's exciting is people, because we were recording this earlier, we'll know what happened in that result so they'll be going, oh he's going to have a terrible day. Well, I'm going to tell tell tell to to to tell to to to tell to tell to to to to to to to tell to to to to to to tell to to to to tell you to to tell you to to to to to their to to to their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their to to to to to to to to to to their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their toda. today. today. today, today, today, today, today, today, today, today, today, today, today, today, shit run as a Plymouth fan, they always lose. My wife says I should don't go because they always lose. I'm going to put a tenor on them losing 3-0. Plymouth, at the point of this recording, we haven't lost since the first day of the season, we haven't lost since the first day of the season, August. We haven't lost our first game. That was our first game in the season. Oh no!

Yeah, and they've picked up. They are, yeah, they're a bit of shit, 17th. Well, have a nice day and hopefully you don't lose. Josh, thank you. Josh, thank you. Josh, I need to talk to you about, I am now the strongest I think I've ever ever been. Oh yeah. Because I don't really don't really do really do any their, I don't really, I don't really, I don't really, I don't really, I still having to carry him at points and they're five, well

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I think it's going to happen. God. I'm doing boxing twice a week, I'm doing boxing twice a week. Oh, are you? And playing football once, if I, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I'm, the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th, I'm, I'm, I'm the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. thin, I's, thin, thee, thin, thee, toge.k. tape, toda, thee.k. thee. thee. thee, thin, thee, least once a week, which is good. But I keep, I eat like I'm on death row. Whenever I do exercise, I eat like it's my last meal or before I'm executed. Yeah, you've got, do you know what you need to do, Rob? What's that? Protein shake. No, I don't need it, I don't need bulking up. I need slimming down. It's not for balking up. It th. It eating rubbish food after you've done exercise. Is that what it is? That's why I do it right because it fills you up with stuff that's actually going to help your muscles after exercise. Yeah. I'm gonna say this now Rob Robbckett is too go on. Between me and you, yep, don't worry that you're gonna be too ripped. yeah don't worry that tho th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th tho tho tho tho that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that th th th th th th th th th tho tho tho tho tho tho tho thi tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho that's that's that's fearing that Rob Beckett is too ripped. Yeah, but what if I get too fit and sexy and if everyone just wants, they're not going to laugh at me, they're just want to fuck me. Well, you know, people want me to concentrate

at my gigs. Oh my God, I don't care what he sounded, I don't want his clothes off. That's the danger. That's the danger. You know, you can't the the the the danger. th. their thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. their thi. thi. thi. their their their their their their their their their, their, their, their, th. that. that, their, their, their, their, their, their th. th. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. the. the. the. the. I's. I's, the. I's, they're, they're, they're they're they're th I should do to get fear, but no offense intended, I don't want your body. You're not my end goal. I don't know what you mean by that, Rob. Well, you're giving me advice and you're in your lean and you're in shape, but you're not what I want. Protein shakes, look at me. They don't make you too ripped. Okay, alright, because you've got your lean, but I want to be a little bit more beary and bulky. I get the protein shakes going mate. Dreambod, Foxy from SAS, who dares wins? I don't know Foxy from S. You must know Foxy. Come on mate. I think Foxy's everyone's

a bit more famous. Oh God he's hot isn't he, Foxy. He's hot isn't he? He's a hot guy. Yeah, so you're not going to look like that. Well, I'm not finished getting... Look at the size of his arms. Yeah, but he had to grow them at some point, didn't he? Yeah. But yeah, he is, yes, he is very... I'm getting mixed messages, Rob. You want to be fo Josh, but like a sort of cruiser weight boxer.

I'll show you what body I want. Go to Google, let me, I'll just send you a picture. There's a boxer called Gassie F who thought, this is weird, I've done, why am I tell. This is really weird. But I should send you a photo of a man's body that I want. I do I sort of want to look like this guy on the right. That's my that's my that's my end goal right That where it's a little bit like not too big but a bit musily. Oh, yeah, go on the right. Yeah, yeah You like that? That is a lovely body. I wouldn't say no to having that body a bit of a treat. It's not too ripped, you know, you know there's no. It's a sort of a sort. It's a th. It's a th. It's a th. It's a th. It's a th. It's a little th. It's a little th. It's a little bit. It's a little bit. It's a little bit. It's a little bit. It's a little bit. It's a little bit. It's a little bit. It's a little bit. It's a little bit. It's a little bit. It's a little bit. It's a little bit. It's a little bit. It's a little bit. It's a little bit. It's a little bit. It's a little bit. It's a little th. It's a little too. It's a little too. It's a little. It's a little. It's a little. It's a little. It's a little. It's a little. It's a little. It's a little. It's a little. It's a little. It's a little. It's a little. It's a little bit. It's a little bit. It's a little bit. It's a little bit. It's a little bit. It's a little bit. It's a little bit. It's a little bit. It's a little bit. It's a little bit. It's a little bit. It's a little bit. It's a little bit. It's a little bit.. You know what wrong? There's a little treat. There's a little treat. I'm going to photoshop your face onto that when we finish this. Oh lovely, yeah and we'll put it on Instagram. Yeah.

Okay and that's the body I want, Gassiev's body. You can stick that above your pelton. Imagine putting your hands through that chest. That's what the front row I'll be thinking trying to get my bloody comedy out and they're treating me like a sex object. Fucking nightmare fuel for me. Stop trying to fuck me and just listen to my words. That's what I'll be saying as I stum offstage. What does Possible sound like for your business business? What does Possible to sound like for your business? It's having to spend to power your scale with no preset spending limit. Redefine possible with Business Platinum. That's the powerful backing of American Express. Terms and Conditions Apply. Visit Amex.C.A.

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Hello, how are you doing, sir? I'm very good, very excited by this. Josh, even though we discussed with H, what we wanted to be referred to as Ian or H? You still said it like you wasn't sure. Well, I didn't know whether to add the words from steps because I only ever say the way you know when you're like H from step that feels like the full name of H. Well and it feels like my middle name is always from so we're very excited you have you on the show of H thank you for joining us. Bless you I am I'm a super fan and I only do things now that I want to do so I'm very very honored to be apart. Oh brilliant well I was going to say the the th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th to say th th th th th th to say tho tho the the the the the the the the to to to to to th. the the the the their their their their their their their their the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th th. th. th. th. the th. the th. th. I to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to te. I te. I teeeeeeeeeeeat tou. teee. teeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. to to to to to to that I want to do so I'm very very honored to be apart. Oh brilliant. Well I was going to say that because I don't see you on much and it's always

a good and you're doing an arena tour with steps and it's always a good sign if someone's doing an arena tour and you're not aware they're doing it because it means they've sold out and they don't have to go on Sunday brunch. So I think I think I think I think I think I think there's I think there's I think there's I think there's I think there's I think there's I think there's I think there's I think there's I there's I there's I there's I there's I there's I there's I there's I there's I there's I there's I there's I there's there's there's a few there's a few there's a few there's a few there's a few there's a few there's a there's a there's a there's a there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's I there's there's I there's I there's I there's I there's I th th th th th th th th th i th i thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi. I thi. I thi. I'm thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi there promotion, can't you? There is that. Do you know what boys, though? It's our 25th anniversary coming up soon. And if you know what? I mean, we were signed on a one single deal with that line dance single that will, it's a more kinds of dying, seriously. So if you told me 25 years ago, we'd still be doing aren't packing arenas, I would have laughed.. so I feel so blessed. Yeah on paper it doesn't seem like an equation that would work that 25 years later you'd be

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And at the time the Spice Girls were huge, everybody had kind of, you know, saturated the boy band market. And there was one advert in there that said about boy girl, girl, looking for, it was like, sassy and sexy boy girl band members and I was like oh I can do that. I'm both of those things. Yeah ideally middle name from. Yeah. I'm already called from steps. They just got changed my first. I literally I mean there was a time where I kind of I tried to shun it and you know and literally turn my back on the whole steps thing. Yeah. Because when you leave a group with such a legacy you want to become you want your to to to to to to to to to to you. to to to to to to their. to to their. to be a to be a to be a to to to to their. I. I. I. I. I. I th. I th. I th. I those. I those. I th. I those. I those. I those. I those. I those. I those. I those. I those. I those. I those. I those. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. the. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thing. Just because when you leave a group with such a legacy, you want to become, you want your own identity.

Yeah. You need to be, you know, a solo artist. And everything just came back to steps all the time. So you know, now I've just gone fuck it, my middle name's from. Fonks. Also as well, it's such a strange name for a band, just Steps. But you know why we call Steps, right? Because of the dance moves. Yeah, exactly, yeah, dance, steps. And we were signed basically to save the world

from country line dancing. That's why we were signed. And we had other singles lined up that were very country and western based. And I still have the demos. Nobody's ever heard of though. Oh my gosh, they're just so bad. Well I'm sure we'll come back to steps at some point but I'm far more interested about your parents in H. Can you let us know the set up how many kids you've got and what the situation is H? Okay so I have twin boys so already I'm outnumbered because I'm a single parent. Yeah they are nearly six years old now so they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they're they're they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're their. they're their. their. their. their. their. they're their. their. their. their. I their. I their. I their. I their. I their. I their. I their. I th. I their. I th. I'll th. I'm t. I've too. I've too. I've too. I've too. I've the the the the the the th. I'm so so. I'm so. I'm so. I'm so. I'm so. I'm outnumbered because I'm a single parent. They are nearly six years old now, so they'll be six next March.

And my goodness me, it is, it is a roller coaster. Let's put it that way. Twins as a single parent as well. I mean, that must be that intense. Yeah, I mean, I've never known anything different, you know, and I always say, you know, because Lee in the band, he's just become a new dad. And he has won a little boy Leo. And he's like, how the hell did you do it with two? But you know what, but you deal with what you're given?

Yeah. I say if I had triplets, then you just get on with it, right? And you become last in the afternoon, but that's what you do, right? Yeah, well, exactly you get on with it. I mean, I definitely think the more kids you have, the more wine you drink in the evening. I'm a tequila man, so I'm a tea keel. So that's how you deal with it, Rob, you just got the percentage of your alcohol, got. Absolutely my liver throughout lockdown. Oh my God. Well yes he was indoors on your own in lockdown. So did you have to have child care bubble though because you was a single

parent? Is that how it worked? No, well I mean I could have. But my parents are of an age and they were vulnerable. So I basically yeah spent lockdown. That was hard. I mean likely I have a big garden and we did lots of things outside. I cannot even imagine how people were isolated with families in flats. I mean, I would definitely have questioned my own mental health of that point. I mean, I was his hats off, seriously. Unbelievable. And so they're six now, so they knew what, is it year one now? And they go to Welsh school, so they are fluent Welsh speakers for their age. Which means I have to learn their their their their their their their their their their their their their their thuuui thu. thu. thu. thu, thu, thu, thu, thu, thu, thu, th. th. thi, I thi, thi, I have th. Yeah, I've th. Yeah, I've th. Yeah, I've th. Yeah, I've th. Yeah, I th. Yeah, I th. Yeah, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I th. Yeah, I, I th. Yeah, I th. Yeah, I th. Yeah, I th. Yeah, I th. Yeah, I th. Yeah, I th. Yeah, I th. Yeah, I th. Yeah, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I'm that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that th are fluent Welsh speakers for their age. Which means I have to learn Welsh because the little buggers will be talking about me behind my back very soon. Oh so you don't speak Welsh? I'm learning so yeah, so I'm a Duskord.

Duskur is a learner in Welsh. And can they teach you? Well I understand what they're talking about at the moment so it's just it's very basic basic conversations conversations conversations conversations conversations conversations conversations conversations conversations conversations their conversation their conversation their conversation it's very basic conversations. But yeah, I have to up my game and start going to classes again because yeah, soon they're going to be flying. And did you give them traditional Welsh names? I did actually, yeah. So one of my boys is called Maxenn. And actually. Like the magazine?

That got me for a few years when I thought that's a straight thing. That's a straight thing, right? Yeah, yeah, that's a straight thing. Weirdly, my daughter's called Attitude. Yeah, so one of my boys is called Maxenn, and my other little boys called Cubby. Oh, that's a great name. And, you know, funnier, and they're both named after animals which is ridiculous so Maxenn is named after a horse I had many many years ago yeah and cubby is named after a dog and it's Alead Jones's dog. How does that come about? Because I did many years ago I did chitchit bang bang with Led Jones. This is a great story over here.

Nobody knows that actually. We did Chitty Bang Bang together and Alid fell in love with my dog who is a Bijon. And basically I went with Alid to get his dog and he called him Cubby. You know he said right we need a very regal royal name for a dog and the obvious one is Dewey so Dewey Sant he's the patron saint of Wales but Cubby is also another saint so that's how that's basically how much became cubby amazing and has Haller Jones still got the dog sadly no the dog actually passed off a question to ask I know I know only going one way

I'm an idiot yeah yeah sorry to like piss on your chips. Don't bring up Ali Jones's dog that's passed away, Josh. That was in the email before the interview. Don't bring up to Alan Jones's dog. I didn't mean questions. And so, and so do you live in Wales? I live yet, so I live not far from Cardiff. Basically, I moved back to the area. I'd lived in London and North Wales, but I had an incredible relationship with my grandparents when I was growing up.

And I wanted my kids to have that as well. And I'm just, you know what? I'm so pleased that I did. They love my parents dearly and also I can offload my kids to my parents. Yeah, it makes a massive difference, doesn't it? Oh seriously, but that relationship, that bond they have now is just, you know, it's incredible, it's for life and yeah, I'm so pleased I did it. So when you're away on tour, are they with your parents or are you, um... Well, the last time we went on tour was, oh, I think, four years ago, and I actually took the kids with me so I took my best friend with me and she was basically my nanny for the tour but that was so much easier because they weren't in school in full-time education. Yeah this time

it's you know it's it's been a mine field I mean I've been spinning plates I'm juggling balls I'm a one--month-band. Yeah, I've seen the encore. It's great. So it's been harder. Yeah, because also not only they in school, it's like they've got a, like, they have like football or ballet on a Tuesday, then they've got this and they've got that and it's a birthday party. They start to develop their own social lives and schedules. Very much so yeah, so my parents have moved into my house and they are basically their primary carers for a month. So yeah, so I have an army of friends, you know, yummy mummy friends that I call them. They're beautiful, you know, they're just part of my little lifelines.

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Yeah, I mean, the first and foremost is that I'm outnumbered completely. Yeah. You know, it's, it's a, it's a skill you develop when you're outnumbered, is that you can listen to two conversations at the same time, pick out words and know exactly what it's about and answer them both. And especially they're starting to speak a new language that you can't speak as well, which makes it doubly hard. Exactly, yeah. I often, I compare myself to a daddy bluett, this is my little analogy. So that daddy bluette is flying in and out of the nest.

You know, the birds want feeding, they want love, they want attention, they want warmth. By the end of the day, it looks like he's been dragged through a bush backwards and knack it. And that's me. Okay. And so do they get on as twins? What answer would you like me to say? The truth? No, they hate each other.

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which are so innocent and so funny. What, what, so cubby said to me the other day, you went, Daddy, I wish my winky could stretch to the toilet, because I don't want to get up. That's my boy. That's a great line. And of course when, I don't know if you do this, you know, with your kids, what I do with my sons. So I'm teaching them to aim properly to have a wee, so we have a way together. Okay. So, do you know this little toilet, duck, you know, discs, you know, you kind of squish, they're like, you know, the toilet, top tip, and then they teach them to aim at the disc. So we're all having a, you know, are we together? So is it three urinals or is it one toilet you're all aiming in like a fishbowl?

Hearing and sharing kind of urinal family. I didn't have there some sort I'd find that too much pressure I think. Yeah I would too having a piss of hate and his two children. Yeah, that would be weird. But what I thought when you're going, Daddy, your willy is massive. And I went, yes it is. But my daughters have done that before going like, Daddy, your bits are like a sausage. And I'm like in the middle of a swimming pool changing room, like shut up.

But how do you, I wouldn't even know where to start with girls because obviously we're blocks and we know what blocks bet to do. So that's a bit of another minefield to me. Well, you don't have to practice aim though. That's the beauty because they just just have just have just have just have just have just th. th. th. th. they just th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi all thi all thi. thi. thi. thiolk. their their their their their their biolkets. their biolks. their bi. their bits their bits. their bits. their bits. their b. their b. their b. their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their thea. theathea. theathea. thea. thea. tooom. tooomea. thooooooomea. thea. thooooooomea. thea. Well you don't have to practice aim though. That's the beauty, because they just have to sit on the toilet. Yeah. So I've just thought now, because I've got a daughter and then I've got a son who's, he's too young, yeah obviously, but I didn't realize

aim was a big, how difficult is it to have piss over your toilet. I had a thought about that. Oh no, a pissy toilet. Always have tiles and you don't say, Lou, geez. Oh no. And obviously they're going up, obviously in year one of school, I've noticed it with my daughter. They learn about all different things and animals, they learn about families and stuff like that you're sort of like a single like a single dad and a gay dad, has that come up in conversation yet? Or are they still a bit young to sort of, you know, acknowledge that? Oh no, I mean, I obviously, from the get-go, we have a different kind of family anyway. So, you know, and there is no, there is no, I hate the family unit anyway, anyway, you know grandparents bringing up. And so, you know, there is no, I hate the word normal, but so I use traditional, there's no traditional family unit anymore. But of course they know that

boys, so this is the conversation. Another one, Daddy, boys can marry boys. Yes they can. Girls can marry girls. Yes they can. But a terodactyl cannot marry a T-Rex. That's the most boy thing I've ever heard. But you know, when you put it like, because they'll eat it, right? Yeah. I tell you give him 15 years, it'll be canceled for that view. I didn't realize you were bringing up a bigger age. And so did you take you try and take him out to different places for days out?

Are you a sort of theme park and you know guy or were you taking to museums and stuff like that? Was it a bit of a combination? Do you know what? From day one I've been a parent that has to get out of the house. Yeah. Even when they were little, God, it was so, so hard. So I would, when they were bottle fed, I would sit on the floor, I'd have them both in their car seats, I'd be rocking them with their bottles

and their mouths, literally crying, going. Oh, my word. Questioning my mental health, absolutely. But then I would, I'd would drive and get out of that. I'm exactly the same. I'm much better with them out and about rather indoors. I start to go a bit. The time goes so much quicker out of the house, I think.

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it be a park, sometimes a museum, you know, if there was an exhibition that was child friendly, you know, definitely to be child near the coast. So there's so much on my doorstep that I can do. And I would be out from nine o'clock until you know five o'clock in the afternoon every day I have to get out. Yeah and if there's people their their their there there there there there there there there there there there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's their there's their there's there's there's there's there's the afternoon every day. I have to get out. Yeah. And if there's people listening that are like expecting twins or they've just had twins, what is there a couple of tips that you'd say that things that really helped you out with having twins that you sort of learn as they went on? Oh my goodness. I mean, you automatically as a parent last in're a twin parents, but I'd say if you want to sit in your dressing gown and not brush your teeth until four in the afternoon, then do that, you just have to look after you.

If the house looks like a bombsight, leave it. You know, if you need to sleep, just sleep. You have to, you know, as long as you put yourself, it's paranormal. You know, your physical health, you have to just look after yourself to look after kids. How was the sleep at that? I've just thought, like that must be really tough with the period when, like were they different levels of sleeping and one's awake and then the others are asleep? Like one baby's sleeping is hard enough, but two must be. Do you know what? Because it's a very different traditional family unit. So you know, the time it's a very their their their their they they they they they's they's they's they's they's they's their their they's very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very different. It's a very very very different, it's a very very different, it's a very different, it's a very different, it's a very very very very different, it's a very very very very very very, it's a very very very very very, it's a very very very, it's a very very, it's a very very very, it's a very, it's a very very, it's a very very, it's a very very very, it's a very very very very very, it's a very very very very very very very their their their their their their their their their their very different, it's a very different, it's a very different, theirtime that I spent with them it was military. I had them in a military routine. You know they would make up like clockwork for their ball. Five six, seven, eight, teeth, bed, sleep. Sorry. You have that while waiting didn't you? I'll always. Yeah, so they they were in a really good routine from day one. I've never had my children in bed with me, so I know a lot of

parents, you know, they have them in the night because it's just easier, you know, whenever my children have been ill or you know, I've been worried that I sleep on the floor with them in their bedroom. But I say from three months my children have been 12 hours and like babies. Wow. Wow. I can count on one hand since I taken the sides of their cot down the times that they've woken me up in the night for something. That is astonishing. Yeah, not they're great kids. They're they're incredible sleepers. But I swear it's because I've done the tough love thing. And it's not for everybody, you know, I did the, if I picked them up and they stopped crying they just wanted me to pick them up so I put them down you know I did I do love thing and some people don't agree with that but it's work for me yeah well I think yeah I think

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because then there's no arguments. You know, it's, and when I get, just so if they get a birthday or, you know, Christmas, I'll say to people, if you're gonna get them something, get them exactly the same for that reason. Because they'll just, we have, you know it. Yeah. The little shit one from Kinder Eggs, that little one. Literally, full of art. And it's just, oh my god, it drives me mad. Well, yeah, we're eyeed that,

because they're so close together. It's just a two-year gap. And they do play together, but obviously, it's nowhere near as bad as twins. but their. they. they. they. they. they. they. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. thin. thin. thin. thin. thii. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. they's, thioli. thin. thi. thi. they're, they're, thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. that. And, thi. thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, thi. thi. their. thi. thi. thi. the thi. the thi. thin. the. they're, theeea. they're, they. they're, they. they're, they. they. they're, they. they. they. theea. thogether, we have to get the same stuff or it just kicks off massively. You know what, so much, and you nearly said it, then I was going to, I was going to rip into you. Phawomen. We had kids close together. It was like having twins. Fuck on. It's not. No. I, a hundred percent. No, the only thing you get from it, the twa. the only th. close together. However, you don't have to go through the turmoil of being a twin parent. Yeah, no, but you know, like I said, there's pros and cons, you know, it's a curse and a blessing.

I at least I've got it, the extracurricular activities, you know, be it, you know, and obviously they do swimming because that's a life skill, but pretty soon they're going to tell me that they don't want to drama or football. Yeah. And they might be in completely different things and then suddenly you'll bring up two kind of opposite childhoods. So then what happens, I rely, I have a great network of parents, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I have, I have, I, I, I have, I, I have, I, when other parents come in. So you know, we already do that. So I'll pick up, you know, my friends' kids and take them to gymnastics. So they, and they'll do swimming lessons for me.

You know, that's, you know, it's scratching each other's back. So that's how it works. You come across really, like, you treat parenting like a sort of profession. a subject or its history. So I know we have life skills for the swimming and the Welsh speaking and stuff like that. So have you always wanting to be a parent? Is it something you really always wanted to do? And it feels like something you've really prepared for even in advance of having kids. This is how I want to do it as opposed to like, oh God, I've got kids, what should we do? You know? I've always wanted to be a parent and I always had that paternal a paternal to be a pateral... to be a pateral. to be a pateral. to be a pateral. to be a pateral. to be a pateral. to be a pateral. to be a parent. to be a parent. to be a parent. to be a parent. to be a parent. to be a parent to be a parent to be a parent. to be a parent to be a parent to be a parent to be a parent to be a parent, to be a parent, to be a parent, to be a parent, to be a parent, to be a parent, to be a parent, to be a parent, to be a parent, to be a parent, to be a parent, to be a parent. to be a parent. to be a parent. to be a parent. to be a parent. to be a parent. to be a parent. to be a parent. to be a parent. to be a parent. to be a parent. to be a parental. to be to be a parental. to be to be to be to be a parental. to be a parent. to be to be a parent, to be a parent, to be a parent, to be paternal longing to have my own children. But being a gay man, when I was growing up, you know, that you literally hit a brick wall straight away.

So I never thought that was possible for me. I never thought, you know, I would come out as a gay man. And now I'm openly gay. Oh really? You thought it would be you wouldn't be able to, or you just didn't want to. But all of all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all. the above. the above. the above. the above. the above. the above. the above. the above. the a the a to be. to. to. to. to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, they. they. they. they. they. the the they. to, the to, the th. th. to, th. to, th. to, th. to, you. to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to or you just didn't want to or... But all of the above because it you know what guys it was a very different day and age you know we live in a very progressive you know it's much more accepting they still work to do but you know I every night on stage now I live my best life so one of my little boys and I don't mind talking about this and I don't know where it's going but he likes to wear a dress and you know I'm I don't I to I the to to the the to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their their their their their their their to their. to to to to to to to to to to to to their. I to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to their. to to their. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to their. their. their. their. their. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I. I. I'm. I. I. I. I. I. I'm. I. I. I. I. I. I. I'm. I. I. I. I. I. I. I know where it's going but he likes to wear a dress. And you know I don't question that of course if he wants to wear a dress if my other little boy

likes to wear a nail varnish you know it's just dress up it's just yeah and then you know one of them likes to push his trucks around in his pram you know it's it's yeah they can do and play and be whatever they want to be. Yeah. But on stage I wear a dress now. I wear a skirt on stage. Oh yeah. I do it for my little boy and I do it for all of those, you know, I don't want to say boys or girls, however you want to identify. I do it to fly the flag, you know for that part of our community. Because I never had that when I was growing up. And I do a little speech about, you know, how a steps concert is a safe space and we have an open door policy. It doesn't matter how you identify what gender, what sexuality, what color, what ability.

You know, you come here and feel safe and live your best life. And it has the most incredible cheer because everybody just was accepted a lot more. It's beautiful it is, it really is. When did you, pardon my ignorance, when did you come out as gay? Yeah, so I actually came out, I think it was 21 when I told my nearest and dearest. But it was actually my coming out story wasn't a great one actually. So I had a long-term partner at the time and I was in steps and I got the call off for newspaper and they were going to out to me. Oh God. So I was on holiday at the time and I had to fly back and tell my parents and my friends about you know and of course they assumed but it wasn't anybody's story or right. Hell, it was mine.

And I felt like that was taken, I was completely robbed of that moment. Yeah, you know, because I wasn't sure of myself, I never had the confidence. I never felt safe to do that. And I was forced, my hand was forced. And you know, once I did that, because the newspaper didn't get any quarts off me so they couldn't run the story. So I did it, you know, under duress really and yeah it was a really shitty one. Oh gosh. That's horrible yeah. That's awful isn't it? Yeah it was so tough. But then that's amazing that you know you can go through that but now on stage you can wear a dressing and say that speech and there'll be kids that would have been new at that age, worried about that kind of stuff and concerned and can see you doing that.

So it's great to see you make a difference. Those conversations need to start in schools at home. So of course I teach my children about diversity and equality and acceptance, but they still come home. There are conversations in the school yard. One of my boys came home and said, Daddy, girls wear pink and boys wear blue. I was like, well no, we can all wear whatever color. Yeah. The next day I made a point of going to school head to tow in pink just to prove the point. Yeah, yeah. And certainly you may notice I've got my nails painted. Yeah, yeah. It's part of my tour costume, but I do it for again for one of my little boys because

you love playing with nail varnish. Yeah, just making things, just small changes. Well, you know, because I did a drag episode, Robin Romish where we did full drag and did a full show. I saw that. Oh my gosh, that's amazing. Yeah, I mean, I was I was was was was. I was. I was. I was. I was crap. I was crap. I was crap. I was crap. I was crap. I was crap. I was crap. I was crap. I was crap. I was crap. I was crap. I was crap. I was crap. I was crap. that. that. that. that's. that's. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. Just. Just. Just. Just. Just. Just. Just. Just. Just. Just. Just. Just. Just. Just. Just. Just. Just. Just. Just. Just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just. Just. th. I was th. I was th. to. I was. I was to. I was. to. I was. to. to. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. tweet oh like going to pick your kids up from school and then you did drag on the tele and yeah I think if I think that's I think that's I think that's why you know me and Romwich wanted to do it as like straight broke so of doing that and then my kid seeing that and it's oh yeah dad wore a dress and it isn't it case my kids see it you know that kind of thing where it does feel it's shifted

sighting now where it's like you know it's just a different art form to explore as opposed to oh my god it's a bloke an address I think but by showing that on screen it does make a difference and especially you at your shows for your boys. How did it feel like the to the their to to to to to to to to to be their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their thoes to be. to be. to be to be. to to to thi thi. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. te te. try. thi. to to thi. to thi. thi. thi. thi. like I quite like to the getting ready and going out in it because it just felt like you're someone different. I do me yeah. Breastrate the full works I looked I look pretty good to be fair. Do you know what's weird though is like what I like to play was I express myself through stand-up so I go out and do that right so I totally get to the people used to. Drugs. I totally get to get my people get my people get my people get my people get my people get my people people people people people people people people people people use use use use use use use use use use use use use use use use use use use to use to use their people people people people people people to use use to use to use to do is, rather than do a drug show, I'd like to get dressed up like that and just go out for a night out, just going for drinks and dinner, that I would enjoy that more than the performing of it all, just as a fun thing to do.

Do you think you'd get recognized? I think me and mea to thrug. I think that more fun than the actual performance, just being in drag. I found it quite... Did you have a name? What was your drag name? I was, um, he was called Ruby Banganaithin, and I was Rusty Beaver, Toothy Diva. Josh, what would your drag name be? Just, just Josh, I think it's fine. Just Josh Wina Widd it's fine. Just Josh Weena? Just Josh. Josh Weena Whidicum and sexy sister. Do you know what they did?

But at my nursery, we got an email because there was like, some of the kids wanted their nails painted. And they were like, oh, loads of the, like, are we all right to paint the kids' nails and painted? And they were like, in brackets. In they were, they were, they were, they were, their, they were, their, their, their, their, they were, their, they were, they were, they were, they were, they were, they were, they were, they were, they were, they were, they were, they were, they were, they were, they were, they were, they were, they were, they were, they were, they, they, they, they, they, they. they. they. they. they. they. they.. they..... they, they..... they, they, they, they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they were, they. they were, they were, they were, they were, they're, they're, they're, th. they're, th they're, th they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're. they're. they're. they painted and they were in brackets they were like, but obviously it's boys and girls because a lot of people get that email and presume that it's just the girls that want it. Loads of the boys were like really excited about having their nails painted and stuff. It's just exploring.

It's just toy. Yeah, exactly. And they, you know, in a traditional family set up, there is a mum's nuble. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. thia. thia. thia. thia. thia. thia. thia. thia. thi. thi. thi. they's, they's they's thi. their, they're, they's just, their, that that that that that that that that that's just that's just that's just that's just that's just that's just that's just that's just that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's. th.. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. th th their their their their their their their their tho their tho tho tho tho tho tho that's tho tho to do that. They want to copy them. Yeah. One thing I hate to want to ask you about was like you went down the surrogacy route for your boys. Could you like in layman's term explain how that sort of works? Are you comfortable going through that just because I don't know and I'd like to learn and I'm sure a lot of the listeners might be in a similar similar boat as well. Yeah, to. Yeah, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, their, their, to to their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their thuuuo, thrucrucrucrucuiuciuciuriorou, their their their their their their their their their their their the because the adoption route failed for me. So my then partner at the time, we went on the adoption route and we were quite far down the line. We'd done all the courses, we'd had all the checks. It's quite an intense exhausting process. And emotionally it was exhausting because you actually had to bring up quite a lot

from the past. You know, they were quite intrusive. And I was going to say rightly so. I mean, they need to know certain things about your past, you know, to form a well-rounded picture of why you want to be a parent. But that route just wasn't right for us. So it was at that point that I started talking about surrogacy. And it was probably a good 10 years from initial thought of going down the surrogacy route to actually having my own physical children. Yeah, it was it was quite a taxing process. Okay, so it's kind of like it's almost like a dating

app. So you get matched with a surrogate and then you are matched with an egg donor. So you can choose an egg donor, obviously I have tadpoles, so they need to... Yeah, that's that side sorted. Yeah, they got, so we're all good there, yeah. So you can choose an egg donor to fit your family makeup, so your own family background. Yes. What do you think me and Rob would be fetching egg white if we were to sell our tab poles? You look like a fucking hedgehog at the moment, so not much.

I was going to have the child to resemble you as much as possible. I was just trying to make myself look taller. That's fine my hair up. And I imagine as well you want the child to resemble you as much as possible, so it makes sense to go, if you are like blonde hair and blue eyes, you'd get an egg donut's blonde hair and blue eyes. That's what my instincts would take me to if I was doing it. Yeah, I mean traditionally that's the way. Some people it doesn't matter at all. Yeah, but yet so that's what I was looking for, you know children that kind of fit my own family background. What kind of details do you get? Like how much info do you get that?

Well you have everything so you know you have the medical history as well so and they all you also have you pay more if the egg donor has a high IQ if they've got to university level or a master level. Oh really? Wow. Yeah very much so. So I had a separate donor and a separate surrogate. So I was screened for everything as well because my biology was being put into, you know, into a surrogate. So you know, the process is quite intrusive, it's very expensive. Yeah. So my children were born in the US because the laws are very different in America to the UK. So in the UK, so say Rob

you and your Mrs had my sperm and another egg and they were cooking, then you would be classed as parent one and your wife would be classed as parent too. I would have no rights at all over that child even though it's part of. Because basically it's been it's sort of growing in my wife as a surrogate but it's the donor and your stuff in there. I would be the parent even though nothing to do me whatsoever. Even yeah even if it wasn't lose eggs it was anything't anything to do it, so it was a donor, you still would be parent one, parent two, I would have no right. Oh God, so then how does that change? So then how does that change? So the change is when you go to America, so that's the process?

You can actually become parent one and parent two from three months in the womb. Oh, so you can do that so, so so. So, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th. th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. to thi. thii. to thi. thi. thi. thi. thi, thi, th here? Very much so yeah. So then that gives you a sense of security doesn't it over what you know? But very much so but you know they're very different legal processes but this one was more comfortable for me. It's it just sat right with me. Yeah. And did you go over to America for that period? Yeah, so not for the whole period. There were many failed attempts for various reasons. I know more about women's ovulation cycles than women, I'll tell you what. Best quote of the show. We were talking about this in the tour best the other day with the girls.

And I was like, I know more about your menstrual cycles. I don't know a man'splain, but I know a lot about this, guys. The menstrual cycle. Yeah, so the process was kind of hit and missed for very various different reasons. Egg donors didn't match. Eggs weren't fertilized, embryos weren't good enough. Surrogus weren't, you know, didn't, so many different factors, but eventually I ended up with two beautiful little boys. Wow, great. All the heartache was worth it. Oh brilliant. This is a weird question. Are you do are you at the birth in that situation?

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So I called a taxi to take me to the hospital. The tax me took me to the wrong hospital called another taxi got to the right hospital walked into you know one of one of those gowns and I literally saw my children being born that second oh brilliant oh amazing oh wow and then of course I was because they did come early, I was on my own, across the world with two helpless little people going, oh my God, do I do now? And you literally have them immediately, don't you? Is that that's great? Yeah, yeah, very much.

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H. You've been absolutely amazing. It's been an absolute pleasure. Thank you, boys. That was a baller scream. Oh, brilliant. Thanks, thanks, bye. That was Ian. H. H. That was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was thatthe tour. That was. Ian, H. from Steps Watkins. Do you know what? I thought I was going to like H. from Steps. Oh, mate. But what a fucking geeseer, Ian.

What a legend. I loved him. So positive. Not disappointed, the biggest surprise, Rob. I'm so surprised you haven't met H from Steps before that has blown my mind. I was looking at him going I'm sure he's done the jungle. How was he not done the jungle? Lot of money and steps.

I think that was really good. He's so engaging and funny and really interesting. Yeah, really loved him. What a great guy. Do you know I don't say this often Rob. Oh go on, here he is. That was. That was. That was. That was. That was. That was. That was. That was. That was. That was. That was. That was. That was. That was. That was that. That was that. That was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was. that was. that was. that was. th. th. that was that was. that was. that was. that was. that was. that was. that. that was. that. that. that. that. that. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. th. the. thi. th. the. th thoooooooooooo. I. I. I 't say this often Rob? Oh go on, here he is. That was one of my favorites. Was it? Blame it, I'm better check it out. You never say that. I think you just really like doing this show.

I don't hand out that on a lightly, but I had a lovely time. We'll see you on Tuesday for another catch-up episode. Cheers guys. Bye.