Parenting Hell with Rob Beckett and Josh Widdicombe - S03 EP46: Martine McCutcheon

Episode Date: December 17, 2021

S03 EP46: Martine McCutcheon Joining us this episode to discuss the highs and lows of parenting (and life) is the brilliant actress and singer - Martine McCutcheon. Enjoy! Thanks to everyone who bought tickets for the live show in January - we sold in less than 15 minutes! If you want to be first in line for any potential future live dates, merchandise, and any additional show info then sign up to the mailing list here; parentinghellpodcast.mailchimpsites.com Thanks - Rob and Josh xxx If you want to get in touch with the show here's how: EMAIL: [e-mail] TWITTER: @parenting_hell INSTAGRAM: @parentinghell A 'Keep It Light Media' Production  Sales, advertising, and general enquiries: [e-mail] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Bryn to Parenting Hill with. Brynmore. Can you say Rob Beckett? Can you say Josh Widdickum? Very good. There we go. Very efficient there. Emily White. What was that from Soviet Russia?

Well, we've got a location for this one, Rob. OK. Let me read out of the email first. What do you want the email first. What do you want to guess first? Because you're closest. Hartfordshire. I think you might be correct. No way.

It's Harrow. Where the fuck's Harrow? Oh, Harrow's not far. That's North London, thrown. It's what used there we go. Harrow, Meddlesex, technically London, Harrow. Oh, but I'll give you that. I'll give you that. It's not far from Hartfordshire. It's really close to Hartfordshire.

Very good, very good. Do send in your locations with them. This is literally the best podcast ever. I'd listened from the start and you. And you certainly keep me chipper to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the to the car at the laddie special today and it reminded me to send you this. This is our son, Bryn, who turned to last week. He's been in training for the intro for a good few months and we reckon he's just about good enough now. Keep up the great work.

I haven't yet bought your books. It's on the list. Fewer to me to do list, just be in the moment, just don't bog yourself down with stuff to... Sometimes you've got to get your fucking list done. Buy those books. You gotta get it done. Great Christmas presents. Robbocket class act and Josh.

What two roebus tree? What did you, Josh? I did not what you, Josh. That's a joke, I knew it was the neighbours one with the you and the tele. Anyway, how are you Josh? Got our Christmas tree? Oh yeah! Very exciting. He's too big Rob. If you sit on one end of the sofa you can't see the TV.

Oh no, that's, that's, how big we're talking? What height did you go for? It's an 8-footer. touring out and it big ceilings. Do you want me to send you a picture? Oh yeah, why not? Yeah. I want to put a shout out from pictures as well on this show. Yeah. My daughter took a photo of me in my pants going into the bathroom. I put it on Instagram and she took it about my knowledge. I don't know if you've got any of these photos on your phone that your daughters have taken. So they grab they've got the the the the the their their th. And th. And th. And th. And th th. And th th th. I th. I th. I th. I've got th. I've got th. I've got their tho. I'm their their their th. I'm that. I've th. I'm took to to to to to to to their too. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I their. I their. I their. I their. I took. I took. I took. I took. I took. I took. I took. I took. I tod. I'm tod. I'm today. I'm today. I'm tote. I'm tote. I'm tote. I'm tote. tote. tote. tote. tote. tote. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm tote. I have taken? No, I haven't. So they grab our phones and put the camera on and take photos of us without unknowing, that's knowing. And I'm sure other people do it. So if anyone's got any photos that their kids have taken them and they're funny or in uncompromising positions, please send them in. Feel free to blur out certain things or put a emoji. That's good. I would like a sort of gallery of photos of parents taken by children without permission.

That's really nice. Not the other way around. Not the other way around. I make that very clear. I made that. I'm very clear that these are, these I see your Christmas tree? Yeah I've got a photo. Have you not sent it? I haven't got a photo. I thought I'd taken a photo. Okay you haven't got a photo. Okay that's fine, that's good. So that's the end of that.

So was it like green till? It's green Rob. Oh, right. So it's just down the road, probably about 100 yards, 200 yards, but it was big, so I thought I can't carry this on my own. So they said we can deliver it. Yeah. Twenty quid to get delivered from the park, yep. You've been, you get so screwed over where you live because they just see media elite. The window 3 p.m. till 10 p.m. That's too big a week that is madness. Do you know when you don't want a tree Rob 20 past 9? That's when it arrived. Six hours away. Oh big boy. So the delivery from the park do they put it into your tree holder thing at home? No that's an extra ten or I'm not made of money. So 20 quid to to to the door to the door the door to the door the door to the door the door the door to the door the door the door th th th th of th. th. th. th. th. that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. that's. that's. that's. that's. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thii. thi's thiii's thii's thii's mad. thii's mad. It's mad. It's mad. It's mad. It's that's thi. It your tree holder thing at home? No, that's an extra tenor. I'm not made of money. So 20 quid to the door?

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me a good tree every year. He gave me a free little tree for my daughter's bedroom. Oh, that's nice. The delivery company is an independent company. Oh, separate from the tree people. What I think has happened, Rob. Yeah. I was basically like, we're either going to get this tree, because we live so near to the place. We're either going to get this at 10 past 3 or 10 to 10, because we're the first or the last.

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I'm getting very Christmassy now though. I'm loving it. Yeah? Yeah, it's exciting, isn't it? It's great, isn't it? The nativity was so good, Josh. Oh yeah. She was Mary. Oh yeah, did she smash it? Do you know what there were other girls in the girls in that? I didn't know that that that pre pre pre pre pre their were their were their were their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their. their. th. th. th. their. their. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. the. the. the. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. ta. the. the. the. the. know that that preschool has got two classes. Oh yeah. I thought it was one class, but there's two classes, and there are a couple of girls in the other class. It was about, so what they did was, for the young ones, which I think is really good, they basically just got to sing loads of different songs rather than they're basically, they're trying to to sing it, because, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it's they's they's they's they's they's they's they's they's so they're, it's they're just, it's they's they's they're, it's they're, it's they're, it's, it's, it's, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, they, they, they, they, I I I I I I they, they, they, they, they're, they're, they're, they're they're they're they're basically, they're basically, they're basically, they're basically, they're basically, they're basically, they're basically, they're basically, they're basically, they're basically, they're basically, they're basically, they're basically, was all loving it and they made sure that even though, you know, there's all that talk about. Who's, pardon? Don't worry about that. Yeah, I did cry. They cried at the end. But like every kid had their own little moment and they had their own little song together as a group. So it wasn't like, that. Yeah, two people did it. and it was brilliant and I mean they played at the end they just I played like a little this is what got me you made me cry they turned the lights off and all the kids looked at the screen and they showed a video of photos of all the

kids all this year playing and cut like you know cutting out and doing stuff of the school set to like one of them really sad like a song you know that's a like a song you know that from a song like like a like a like a like a like they they they they they they they they they they they they like like like like like like like like they they they they they they they like like like like like like like like like like like like like they're like like like they're like like like like like like like like like a they're like like like like like a they're like a they're like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like a they like a they like a they like a they like a they like a they like a they like a they they they they like a they they like a they they they they they they like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like a they're like a they're like a. they're like a. they're like a. they're like a. they're. they're. they're. I. I they're. I they're. I'm. I'm. I'm like. I'm like. I'm like like like like. I'm like like. I'm like like. I'm like like. I'm like. they all died. Yeah, yeah, that's funny why it made me sad. But it was like a, no, they used a Christmas cover song, you know, from an advert. Like a John Lewis style. Yeah, John Lewis's style. But it was a bit like, but it was a bit like, but it was a bit like, it was a bit, and then all the kids were there. And then, it was like, but it was, but, but, but, but, but, but, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, the, and, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, their. their. It, like, like, like, their. the, like, like, their. their. the, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, their. And, their. And, their. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they're. they're. they're. the. that. So all the kids were there and they were all going, oh look it's me and pointing to each other and it was so Christmas and lovely.

I did cry it, yes, and I had a mask on and then I cried and then, and it was also as well. It's been so horrible and just seeing kids, be kids and just seeing kids, be kids and sitting together and not being separated or being forced, I had a little tear and then the teacher at the end said you cried I went yep but it was brilliant I just it was one at real highline because obviously we missed my eldest daughter's proper nativity I saw her Christmas performance but she wasn't in reception anymore so it's only reception really the the day so but that was so cute so that was so cute so it was really t week. Nearly finished work for Christmas and yeah we're gonna try and keep pumping out episodes over Christmas when and where we can and we Josh. Yeah we'll be pumping over

Christmas and that I well that's what I do need to say this right I love my kids dearly and I love it's when it's their birthdays but two kids birthdays in December is a fucking nightmare so to tell you tell you what when when when when when when when when when when when when when when when when when when when when when when when when when when when when when when to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to their to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their their their their their their their their their their their their their. I. I. I. I their. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. the the the the the the the their. I's. I'm. I'm. their. I's. I's. I'm. I'm, when it gets to March, put your dick away. It's so expensive, it's logistical nightmare. When we get to March, we do need to alert people during the podcast each episode during March. Stop shagging. Stop shagging. Yeah, so okay, you know like when they do like veganary where it's a month for November, where that mump's all about prostate cancer and growing a mousagg. This is the stop shagging month. and growing a moustache. This is the stop shagging month of March. And I think we should make a big thing about it and a big promo campaign. We'll be on Lorraine and go look guys I'll be straight down the barrel. Stop fucking each other.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, sorry, I've got to be clear on that. When she was Tiffany in Eastender, she died on Christmas day. When she was in love actually, she died on Christmas Day and she was in love, you. Marty McCutcheon, thank you very much for joining us. We're very excited about this, big fans of yours, Martin, on screen in music and as a person. Thank you. What a lovely, lovely thing to say. Yeah, well I don't think I've ever met you have, I'm Martin. No, I've never met you, I think you're amazing as well.

We've got the mutual appreciation as a sign. Oh, yeah. I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I th. Yeah, I th. Yeah, I th. Yeah, I th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. to to to to to to to the. to to to to to to to to to to to the. the. the. the. the. as well. We've got the mutual appreciations of science of them. Oh, thank you. And you, Rob, and you, Rob. Yeah, thanks, okay. And Rob, Rob, I like you. No, but what I'd say is in this industry, a lot of the time, oh my God, it's such an honor that you are a nice person and there's not always a case, is it, Martin? No, it's not always a case. It does, our industry does attract, let's say, a certain kind of beast sometimes.

Yeah. And it is nice when you do genuinely thing I genuinely get on with that person. Yes, exactly. We're going to start the interview by all naming the top five people we hate. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. tha. tha. tho the tho tho tho tho the tho tho tho tho the tho tho tho tho tho tho tho thate the the thate. It's not always the the tho tho the tho tho tho thate always always thate always the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the tho. It. It is tho tha. It is thi. It is thi. It genuinely know I would be mates with that person. Yes, exactly. We're going to start the interview by all naming the top five people we hate. You start, Martin. Let's end our careers right now. Martin, can you let the listeners know about yourself at home?

You've got one son, Refugee, he's six years old. I'm married to Jack McManus, a fellow Ken Boy as you know. Yes, local to me. Two dogs, Harry and Fred, two dogs, Harry and Fred, all boys. Oh wow. And I like it, I kind of like it that way because I was brought up with four boys, their mom's best friend Pam when I was brought up in Dorsden, East London. She had had had four four am a girl's girl for sure and I am a woman's woman for sure, but I do find the company of men a lot simpler.

Really? Okay, even dog, even dog men. Yeah, even dog men. It's easier. It's just easier. I don't mean simple. I think that's half true. I took it that way. I'll be honest. I am simple. I'm the th. It. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's easier. It's easier. It's easier. It's easier. It's easier. It's easier. It's easier. It's easier. It's easier. It's easier. It's easier. It's easier. It's easier. It's easier. It's easier. It's easier. It's easier. It's easier. It's easier. It's easier. It's easier. It's easier. It's easier. It's easier. It's easier. It's easier. It's easier. It's easier. It's easier. It's easier. It's easier. It's easier. It's easier. It's easier. It's easier. It's easier. It's easier. It's easier. It's easier. It's easier. It's easier. It's easier. It's easier. It's easier. It's easier. It's easier. It's easier. It's easier. It's easier. It's easier. It's easier. It's easier. It's easier. It's easier. It's easier. It's easier. It's easier. It's easier. It's easier. It's easier. It's easier. It's easier. It's easier. It's easier. It's easier. It's easier. It's easier. It's easier. guys are simple. I think that's half true. I took it that way. Yeah, I'll be honest. I am simple. Do you know what? I'm really leaning into it?

As I'm getting older, I've just, I've got to that. I've got to that dad's energy now. If you leave me on my own in a chair, I won't go to to to go to go to go to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be that to be that that that that that I'll that I'll that I'll that's that's that, I'll that, I'll that, I'll that, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I'm, I, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'll th.. I'll be, I'll be, I'll be, I'll be, I'll be, I'll be, I'll be, I'll be, I'll be, I'll be, I'll to be that, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll. I'll just sit back and do that and then they'll get you asleep. I'm not, I'm ready. So men, I do think men are simple to a point. I've seen Rob doing it in some interviews as well. You just sort of start an anecdote, you'll think this is a 90-second I rest right here. I just love that.

I'm leaning into it. I think sometimes there's too many options in life and it is a lot better just to sit there and do nothing and just accept that's going to be your day. Well, I kind of when I was in lockdown you were my savior. You must have seen my face. Well, I DMG on Instagram a couple times going, you are making me how with laughter, you are making me feel less guilty about the fact that I am laying on the sofa at the same position and I've become so so th th th th th th th th th th th th th th so th th th th so th th th th th th th th th th th tho thi thi thi thi thi tho tho tho-all tho-all thi thi tho-upo-upo-upo tho tho tho-upo-upy tho-upy that's that's that's tho-up the fact that I am laying on the sofa at the same position and I've become so good at doing it. Well that's the thing you can't put too much pressure on yourself. And so talk about bloke's being simpler. Did you have siblings growing up then or do you just spend time with your mom's friends kids?

So basically I didn't have a sibling to that was 15, so I was an only child in essence. Because on the weekends and in the evenings after school sometimes or Pam would take me to school with the boys, I spent a lot of the time with the boys. And I can say it was a different dynamic. It was very rough and tumble you either mapped in or you didn't. There was none of this like, there wasn't so much bitching is going on. Like it like it like it like it like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, to their. their. their. their. their. to to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to. I. I. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. the their. the their. to. to. their. to. to. to. to. this like there wasn't so much bitching is going on like it was yeah it was just I don't know it just they just got on with each other and they made the most of the moment and more spontaneous I think and I just you know you either had to muck in or you didn't survive they'd just be

clambering around and chucking action men at you and well does this is a warning sign though for when Rafferty starts dating and I'm assuming he might be dating girls when the girl comes home to meet his mom and your little boy? Whoever he dates, she says at this point, I will of course embrace with open arms. He or she I will embrace but I, um. I don't know. God help him. We're from Dalston because everyone sees a good side of you Marty, but you might have a bit of a, I can imagine. Are you the disciplinarian in the house, would you say? Do you have you got that side when you can be a bit sterner? Yeah. I mean, yeah, definitely. I think you know. When you come from certain places, I think in our industry people sort of see that as a real tough side of as you of you or they think you've got a fight side whereas for us that's just normal it's just you have to hide it a bit

dampen it down. People feel oh that's a bit rude. Oh I didn't I didn't I don't think that was I spent my whole career advertising the things I still don't quite know what I've done wrong. Yeah, so I you know I think yeah I probably am at the disciplinary I think Jack puts his foot down when enough is enough and it's come to the very end. Yeah I probably am a typical he said mom like I'm full of praise and full of love and full of affection but then I'm also like right enough enough enough yeah and you do sell handbags out of your boots still, don't you? Knocked out on the boots, fake perfumes. What would make you say enough's enough?

What was the last time you said enough's enough? I think the last time I said enough was just the lack of, I've told him a million times, but if I get him something new, it's fine, but he has to put his other toys to to to to to to to to put to to put to put to put to put to put his to to put his to put his to put his to put his to put his to put his to put his to put his I've told him a million times but if I get him something new it's fine but he has to put his other toys away and he didn't he didn't it was just like a car crash car crash car crash and on top of me having a long day filming something I came in and I took my shoes off and I hurt myself so bad on this bit of Lego and I was and I swore and you just said a bad word. Don't worry about my fucking bad words you've got these toys away I'm adding up and he was like I think somebody needs time out.

Oh no! It's the worst. I know I've created a rod for my own back here. Yeah, because he's at that real chat chatty stage at six. It's when they've like, they've got over the reception year at school and now they sort of think that they're like the most, the oldest kid in the world, don't they? And they've got, know, I suppose like a lot of us where we feel we're invincible, we can conquer the world and then other days where he's just sort of like, oh no. Oh God, that's the worst. I assay to him as well like to distract from it. I'm like, well who else was there? Why did you only want to play with that person? And he said he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he that that was that was that was that that that that to to to to play to play to play to play to play with to play with to play with to play with to play with to play with to play with to play with to play with to play with to play with to play with to play with to play with to play with to play with to play with to play with to play with to play to play to play to play to play to play to play to play with to play with to play with to play with to play with to play with to play with to play with to play with to play with to play with to play with to play with to play with to play with that that that that that that the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. to play to play to play to play the sandpit and I hate the sandpit. It was stuffing his shoe, so that wasn't an option.

And he's like a proper little old bloke with his like, and I'm like, oh, yeah, that's true. And he was kind of, he's quite picky. And he also, he's a bit like his mum, that he wants to do what he wants to do and he wants everybody to play the game he wants to play. And then they don't, nobody loves him. And I'm like, no, you've just got to learn to play their game as well as their game as well. their game as it can't always be your way and I think as well as an only child.

It's good for him, it's got to be this is life. Yeah exactly. I'm sorry one second Michael can you hear Lou and the dog in the background of this just so I know. I can't. Okay cool. Okay cool. No. Sorry Lou. We've got the cleaners in the house so Lou's brought the dog. Do you want to come and show the dog to quickly before. What in the room and I was like I was like trying I was like I was like trying I was like trying I was like trying I was like trying to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to listen. I was like to listen. I was like I was like to listen. I was like. I was I was I was I was I was I was I was I was I was I was I was I was I was I was like I was like I was like I was like I was like I was like I was like I was like to listen. I to listen. I was I was I was I was I was I was I was like to listen. I was like to listen. I was like to listen. I was like to listen. I was like to listen. to listen. to listen. to to to to to to to to to to to to to try. to to to try. to to to to to to. to. to. to. to. I was like to. I There's a dog. I'll take him. He can take him. They can't try and keep him. They can't hear you so but if you can stop dropping like his treats and stuff would I'm sorry if you just so she can't go in the house. Well it's a cleaner in the house. She's not allowed in your shed so she's now stood in the. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. the the house. the house. to. the house. the house. to. the house. the house. the the the the to. the to. to. to try. There. try. There's no. There's no. he. There. It's no. I's no. It's. I's. I's. There's. I he. I's. I's. I's. I'll. I'll. I's. I's. I's. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm t. I'm t. t. t. try. try. t. try. t. try. try. I'm try. Irowing her out. Because she's trying to get him to go asleep, I think, but anyway, sorry, I just wanted to make sure he couldn't hear. Sorry, I think you're gonna have, because the dog's not sitting still.

It'll be like the dog was sleeping, but... The poor one, I now feel guilty. But, you know, the podcast was here before the dog. This is really awkward now. The podcast is bringing more into the house than the dog financially, isn't it? Look, Louie just needs to behave, Rob, like my husband, he's been really well behaved. He's sitting in the pod again. There's a dog basket. Oh, look, Barton, L Marty. Lo I, Lo! Lo! Lo! Lo! Lo! Lo! Lo! Lo! Lo! Lo! Lo! Lo! Lo! Lo! Lo! Lo! Lo! Lo! Lo! Lo! Lo! Lo! Lo! Lo! Lo! Lo! Lo! Lo! Lo! Lo! Lo! Lo! Lo! Lo! Lo! Lo! Lo! Lo! Lo! Lo! Lo! Lo! Lo! Lo! Lo! Lo! Lo! Lo! Lo! Lo! Lo! Lo! Lo! Lo! Lo! Lo! Lo! Lo! Lo! Lo! I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I th! I th! I th! I th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th tho- I'm th th tho- I'm tho- I'm tho' tho- I feel tho- I feel behaved look he's sitting in the corner yeah there's a dog basket oh look I'll say yeah he's eating his lunch oh he's in his lunch and your dogs are asleep are your dogs are asleep or they just in

another room they're in another room look you can see that there's a little dog basket oh right there we go that oh poor Lou's going out. I thought that's what you professionally did. Okay. See you. No, sorry, mate. Have you ever done Parkinson and this has happened? No. No. Lose outside. Right, sorry about that. It was too distracting. You can't interview someone. I'm watching a dog nearly shit and eat wires, can you? It's impossible. Sorry. We'll go back.'s talk about your dogs. Let's talk about your dogs, Martin. So Harry is 11 and he's called Harry after Prince Harry because he's got that lovely color hair like you a bit Josh that kind of yorky color. Okay. And Freddie's named after Freddie Mercury he's his half brother.

All right. Yeah and he's 10. Okay. And they're like American Spaniels and they are absolutely delightful. They were like my hairy sons before I had a baby. Did you find having dogs before a kid helped having a, because they are like a little baby, they're not as difficult as a baby, long term obviously, but there is the same kind of commitment. Did you find it helped or not? Yeah, I find the dogs hard to work than I do raffeting. Yes, do you know what, Martin, that is the best thing anyone's ever said, because Rob has just got a dog. Yeah, it's true.

And he said the words there, I know it gets easier because I can hear him trying to convince himself. We all heard him doing it and you've just totally over it's actually more difficult than a child mate. They never really grow up beyond a certain point. Yeah, okay, yes it's a constant two-year-old. Fuck, fuck, anyway, let's not talk about dogs anymore. So what does Rapids and play any sports? How's the birth? Does Rapids play any sports? How's the birth? What are you playing the dog? I'm enjoying the dog? I just can't talk about dogs anymore Josh. I'm enjoying the dog boat to be fair, I'm enjoying the dog. The birth was amazing. The birth was amazing. Was it good?

Yeah, I had the Eagles playing, not live in concert. Yeah, I had the Eagles playing, not live in concert. I had a sea section and take it easy. I had a playlist. Yeah. And I put that on in the background. And it was just, I just felt like with the drugs and everything that they gave me because I had low blood pressure at one point. Oh no.

Like I was in this sort of white room, very sort of abfabby. And then they delivered to me going, to to to to get to get to get to go, to go, to go, to go, to go, to go, to go, to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to get to to get to the their their to their to their their their their their their their their, their their, their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their too. too. too. too. tooe. too tool. tooe. tool. tool. together. tooe. together, too. too. too. then they delivered to be going to a kitty. Oh that is perfect. This sounds amazing. And I was like, oh this is fabulous, yeah. So it was a great birth, great birth. That's good. And what how do you feel if you hear that song now? Does that take you back to being drugged up in a white room with a baby?? I think I wasn't to do it all the time. She's a happy place. It was really a special moment. I really felt like even afterwards when the drugs had borne off of the Ipidur or like that, there's something when people say, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah. There's something about when you hold that baby and you look at them for the first time and just something otherworldly happens. And thank God that you have that moment to cling

on to at times because then when they're star-shaped in your bed and you're sleep deprived and you feel like a crazy moment. I don't know if it's all men, but I felt nothing apart from fucking L, what am I going to do with this. Yeah, no, I know what you mean, Rob. I felt a lot of pressure to feel something that I wasn't feeling. Do you know what? I felt like someone had to. I felt like a live octopus.

And it's all crawling. throw a baby back in. It's Kenya. So I didn't know what to. I didn't have that magic moment, Martin. Maybe I needed more drugs. I love them now, obviously, but I didn't have that amazing. Over the next few days, I did. No, I think a lot of people don't have that moment. I think it takes a what, like, that moment of like, oh this is amazing. You were like, oh thank God. It's all right.

They're not both dead. Basically, if I'm honest, that's why I. And that's not a great feeling, is it? That's what I want to feel all the time as a base level. Thank God they're not dead. to find you find it difficult at quite easy? Did you take to it well or did you find it difficult at the first stages of being a mum or was it was it all right? I think that you probably heard this so much and you probably said it so much but it's just

the lack of sleep. All of a sudden I'm somebody that needs my sleep. Yeah. And I'm just, I'm not a very nice person and I'm just not. You're looking at Jack out of your corner of your eye now. You're like, laughing. Is that true? Could you ask him what you're like when you've had lack of sleep and see what he... I had like like a sleep. It was delightful. Oh, gutless. My own it, I'm gutless. I own it, I'm gutless. Fair enough.

So how bad was the sleep, Martin? Well, it was just, you know, it was just getting up every couple of hours and, you know, your boobs hurting and you feel your range and you don't know what time of the day it is and there's this baby that needs you and you're trying to be good and make sure they're safe and panicking and you're in in this fight or fight or fight or fight or fight or fight or fight or fight or fight or flight or flight or flight or flight or flight or flight or flight the flight the flight the flight the flight the flight the flight the flight flight flight the flight the flight the f flight the f flight the f flight their their their their their their their sleep their sleep their sleep their sleep their sleep their sleep their sleep their sleep their sleep their sleep their sleep their sleep their sleep their sleep their sleep their sleep their sleep their sleep their sleep their sleep their sleep their sleep their sleep their sleep their sleep their sleep their their sleep their sleep their sleep their sleep their sleep their sleep their sleep their sleep their sleep their sleep their sleep their sleep their sleep their sleep to ti ti ti ti their sleep ti their sleep their sleep their sleep their sleep their sleep their their sleep their sleep their their sleep the's this baby that needs you and you're trying to be good and make sure they're safe and panicking and you're in this fight or flight mode the whole time. And it's hard because it's only it's not really much else if if your breastfee there's not really much else that anyone else can do. Yeah. You can feel a bit alone and a bit on your own with it. But I was quite lucky because I was quite lucky because I've thi Because I'm making myself out to be a real hero here. But I just remembered that after the C-section and the light moment,

the epiphany moment, Rafferty, as often a lot of children's C-sections do, had fluid on the lung. And he was rushed off. I didn't have him. And they had to give him formula. So he was breastbed and formula from the word go. Okay, yeah. So occasionally when I couldn't do it, I would nudge Jack and he would get those tiny little bottles and he would give him one of those and I remember I've got a photo, I've got a photo of him, he's laying in bed, he's doing his doing his emails what he's doing and the baby's there with its own bottle and

I was just like changes your life how and he's just like getting on with everything. I know I was just like how does he find this so easy? You know I found it obviously well we did a lot of bottle feeding with Lou struggled with breastfeeding at the start and stuff but I do think if you're a dad. Well I suppose you see it is you know I found it, obviously, we did a lot of bottle feeding with breastfeeding at the start and stuff, but I do think, if you're a dad and the mum's doing all the breastfeeding, there's no formula at all, you do have a bit of an easier run at it, don't you? Because you can't get up to help in the night with the bottle feeding stuff, so it's quite good that there's quite good that, because there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there's there's there's there's there's, and there's, and there's, and there's, and there's, if their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, if, if, if, if, if, if their, if their, if their, if their, if their, if their, their, they, they's, thi.a, th. I's, thi's, thi's, thi's, if thi's, if their. So the fact it was quite nice I suppose if the hospital had already done it anyway, you can still be a bit judgment free, aren't you? Yeah, I think as well another nice thing about it took me a long time to have brecities

and it happened naturally. But because I've got like Emmy and Lyme disease, my body kind of thiolome to pregnan, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, the hospital, the hospital, the hospital, the hospital, the hospital, the hospital, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, th, they, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thin, thi, thiii, thin, thioli, thioli, thioli, thi, thi, they, they, things so it finds it hard to hold on to pregnancies. Oh wow. Finally, finally, I had him naturally, to this day doctors don't know how we manage to keep a successful pregnancy. Is it very unlikely then, is it like the chance is quite low with Lyme disease and in your other conditions to conceive then and keep the pregnancy? Yeah, with my with my combination and my immune system is they kind of the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thi finally finally finally finally finally finally finally finally finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, finally, thi, finally, thi thi thi, finally, thi, finally, thi, finally, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, finally, finally, thi, finally, finally, finally, finally, thi, finally, finally, finally, finally, thi, finally, thi, finally, thi, thi, them and keep the pregnancy? Yeah, with my combination and my immune system, they kind of explained it in very sort of simple child back terms, all my little soldiers that need to fight to keep my immune system working, they can't do that and keep a baby safe. Okay. Oh wow. So it was such an amazing time like when I finally did manage to have him. Of course, yeah.

Yeah. Did that make the pregnant, so was the pregnancy a really stressful period? Yeah, I mean, yeah, every one was. I never, every pregnancy I had, I never knew how it was going to end up. But it was weird because I just put my Instagram last night that my dog Harry, who I just look in his eyes and he's like this deep Tibetan soul or something. The minute that I was pregnant with Rafferty, it was almost like he knew this is the one. This is the one that's going to stay safe. And before I even knew I was pregnant,

he started getting on the bed, which he never does. And he would gently watch his chin on my stomach. Ah. And then I realized I was pregnant, then I kept the pregnancy the pregnancy the pregnancy the pregnancy the pregnancy the pregnancy the pregnancy the pregnancy the pregnancy the pregnancy the pregnancy the pregnancy the pregnancy the pregnancy the pregnancy the pregnancy the pregnancy the pregnancy the pregnancy the pregnancy the pregnancy the pregnancy the pregnancy the pregnancy the pregnancy the pregnancy the pregnancy the pregnancy the pregnancy the pregnancy that that that the that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that. That that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that. And I think that and then I realized I was pregnant. Then I kept the pregnancy for the first time, and God knows how many times. And through the end, like he was like my shadow, he would lead the way, he would bark and he'd let Jack know if I needed something, he'd run down and bark and get him. He's just like the most amazing. Dogs are just so amazing. Dogs are good.

Yes, dogs are good. Don't be hope the one. I'm seeing like a round Robin Way. Thanks, Marty. So, Rob, if you ever get pregnant, your dog will protect you. That's what we've got. That's what we've got. Obviously you must have been so anxious during that pregnancy, Martin. So, you know, you don't have to talk about this if you're not comfortable, but sometimes the listeners do sort of appreciate it with people that are struggling with pregnancies and

stuff. So had you had you been pregnant a number of times before then and it wasn't successful? Yeah, yeah, I'd had miscarriages before and I've spoken about it before. Yeah, there's and you kind of just, you didn't know in the end, I didn't know in the end how to feel, whether to feel griffle, whether to feel scared, whether to really believe in it or not, you know, what was gonna happen. But it is so wonderful and I do feel so lucky that, you know, I managed to become a mother and because in this day and age more than ever, like, to the end, the end, to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the end, the end, the end, the end, the end, the end, to the end, the end, the end, the end, the end, the end, the end, the end, the end, the end, the end, the end, the end, the end, the end, how the end, how the end, how the end, how the end, how, how the end, how, how, how, how, how, how, the end, the end, the end, the end, the end, the end, the end, the end, the end, the end, the end the end the end the end the end the end the end the end the end the end the end the end the their their to to to to to to to the to to to to the end, to to the end, to to the end, the the the end, the end, the end, the end, the end, the end, the end, that you know I managed to become a mother and

because in this day and age more than ever like miscarriage seems to be through the roof. Yeah and no one really talks about it as well so it makes it harder for people to know how to feel. Yeah or I find you know and I get people grieved differently but I think when you have had miscarriages and you've grieved yourself, when you suddenly sort of see it all of a sudden on Instagram, and it's quite traumatic, and it catches you unaware, and there's no warning that this is going to contain upsetting footage, it takes you straight back to that moment.

And I think I think it needs to be, you know, I think people need to talk about it, but I think it needs to be done and, you know, as often the case with many things, it needs to be done in the right way. We've done this in a conversational way, it's led this, it's led there, it's got there. But I do sometimes think when's quite harrowing for them obviously but also like you didn't choose to see that moment at that time. Yeah of course. So I think personal thing, I think such a personal thing and I think like you say it when people some people are ready to talk about it some people aren't and it's all okay because it's such a huge thing. Yeah, there's no right or wrong way to deal with Josh Josh I mean, you know, Josh has experienced it as well with Rose and stuff. Yeah, what I found with was the second pregnancy, we had a child and then we had a miscarriage

and we had a second child. And the second pregnancy, I found no, I sound, this sounds awful, but you don't find any joy in it. I found it just total, oh God, that's another day we've got through and nothing nothing nothing nothing nothing nothing nothing nothing nothing nothing nothing nothing nothing. total oh god that's another day we've got through and nothing's gone wrong. Do you know what I mean? Oh and the scans suddenly became the first time the scans were really exciting the scans become like getting an exam result where you can only think about whether you failed you know what I mean? Like you could only imagine what's going to go wrong and I thought that was quite an interesting thing where no one really talks about how it then affects even if you do have another kid or that isn't a easy ride. That suddenly becomes infected with all these memories of what happened

before I think. Yeah, and I think, you know, there are people out there that didn't manage to have that other child and there's all of the, you know, and lose children at quite a late stage. Yeah. You just assume miscarriages, they happen early on and they happen at all different times. And I think that there's a grieving process, there's, and then of course, when you get pregnant again, if you've got hit by a bus, you're going to look left or right, you know, to see if you're today and it does take that spontaneity like you say and that fun out of the joy of really truly embracing the pregnancy, but also you're doing the right thing and you're being wise because you're making an informed choice and you know how fragile life is and you do know it's not a given. And I think that a loss of life it's no wonder not a lot of people talk about it all the time. It's a huge thing. It's a huge thing. Yeah of course. And then your brains are horrible thing in it because all of a sudden it goes, oh you're not

enjoying the pregnancy you should be enjoying it and then other people will in it and then it's a vicious cycle of whatever's going on you're beating yourself up over it so I think you just got to be kind to yourself. And I felt really like I felt for Jack because obviously I have my body would often go through all the phases of pregnancy and the hormones that went with it and Jack could literally like hold my hand and try and be supportive but other than that, you know, he just wanted to make everything right or I feel, I did feel for the partner, like I did really feel because at least I was going through it, I felt like I was a doer, I was trying and I did really feel for Jack throughout all of it. So I do think it is hard for the partner. And when your son was born. So obviously, I mean, I know loads about ME but that must be if you're having I don't know how it works but like if you're struggling with energy and stuff that must

be really difficult parenting right? It's really hard so from what I was told from my specialist he said to me when you do manage to have a successful pregnancy what I would personally advise for you, in your case is true, because ME can fluctuate and lime and things like that, it's so different for different people. And a lot of people kind of get on their orange box and shout at you if you talk about it.

But for me personally, he said, you'd be better off having a C-section, because a lot of the people that have have thapapap had the baby naturally, they're so chuffed with themselves that they've used every ounce of energy. Yeah. You've got even a normal person finds tough to recover from. And then they can't pick up their children and bond with them for a couple months afterwards. Yeah. So that's why he said, I think we should have a C-section, have that recovery.

And when Rafferty had the fluid on his lungs, they said that once you can walk with your little strip on wheels up and down the corridor, you can go and see it. So I was like, C-section, one C-section, I've got this superhuman baby. I was up and down the courage on the nurses were like, Mikey. What do you feel? I'm ready. I'm ready to go to see him.

Oh. You know what? I'm always going to think of Take it Easy and the Eagles. I'll think of you and Raffety now. That's such a lovely story. Thank you. Martin. Martin I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I tha. I tha. tha. I th. I th. I th. I th. th. I th. th. I was th. I was th. I was th. I was th. I was th. I was th. th. I was tha. thi. thi. I was tha. I was tha. I'm going tha. I'm tha. I'm tha. I'm tha. I'm the the the the the the tha. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I tha. I tha. tha. tha. Oh, thank you. Martin, I was going to ask us as well, because when you was a kid, you did a lot of tellia as a kid,

didn't you? Adverts and stuff like that and a bit of a child star. Is that something you'd like for Raffety? Or would you push him away from it as he got a bit older? Do you know, I'm not going to push him into it and I and I'm going to it and I'm not going to push him away from it. I'm going to just, I want him to find who he is and what he is. He might go through different phases, you know, he might go through phases. I mean he does, I have to say, he, I don't know if I would have to say he loves Robin Rommish and I have to try and stop the bad words. That's quite a saucy show at the street, isn't it? Yeah, he doesn't always leave much... I'm like, oh, oh, he absolutely loves it.

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loved it that we were crying with love. Oh bless him. Oh Alexa's playing the gambler. Start Alexa. Oh no, other people listening. The amount of people listening that that's just happened to as well. We like doing that in this show it's a little little little little little little little, a little, a little, a little, a little, a little, a little, a little, a little, a little, a little, a little, a little, a little, a little, a little, a the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the song, the song, the song, the song song song song song, the song the the the the song the song the song the song the song the song the song the song the song the the game the game the game the game the game the game the game the game the game the game the game the game the song the song song the song song song song, start the song song, start the song song, start start start start start start start. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the people listening that that's just happened to as well. We like doing that in this show. It's a little, a little Easter egg we put in. I tell you what we could do, Martin, I don't know if you still get money for streams, but we could say Alexa and play perfect moment. Alexa.

Because a lot of people listen to this. Because a lot of this. It'll be Kenny Rogers and Marty McCutcheon at number one and two. So quiet, Alexa, play perfect moment by Martin McCutcheon. Perfect, look at that. There we go. Does he see things that you've done? Is he interested in your career? Something right. I don't know if your other heart said this to you. And I promise you it it it it it it it it it it that that that th you it's th. It's th th th th th th the the the the the the the the the the the. It's the. It's the. It's th th the. It's the. It's the. It's th th to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be the. It's the. It's the. It's the. It's the. It's the. It's the. It's the. It's te. It's te. It's te. It's te. It's te. It's today too te. It if you're at the heart to say this to you. And I promise you it's true, ever since I've had Rafferty, now they say you get baby brain. Yeah. The baby brain as they grow up, I don't think it ever comes back. You know, I think that's just, I think it's all related to tideness. Yeah. Because you never really catch up on sleep whatever age I get to you. Always just... No, you're tired forever now. You know when you see, I used to, when I was about 22

and I see old people, like at 7 a.m. going to get the paper and I'll be, what is their fucking problem? You've got no one in that house, you're about 73, what the fuck you're doing? I'm up. I'm up. I'm up. I'm up. I'm up. I'm up. I'm up. I'm up. I'm up. I'm up. I'm up. I'm up. I'm up. I'm up. I'm up. I'm up. I'm up. I'm up. I'm up. I'm up. I'm up tired. I'm up tired. I'm up. I'm up tired. I'm up tired. I'm up. I'm tired. I'm tired. I'm tired. I'm tired. I'm tired. I'm tired. I'm tired. I'm tired. I'm tired. I'm tired. I'm tired. I'm about. I'm tired. I'm tired. I'm tired. I'm tired. I'm tired. I'm tired. I'm tired. I'm tired. I'm tired. I'm tired. I'm tired. I'm tired. I'm tired. I'm tired. I'm about. I'm tired. I'm tired. I'm tired. I'm tired. I'm about about. I'm tired. I'm about. I'm tired. I'm the sky. I think you have kids it just... And the last thing, well actually I think we're doing all right with a dog is because I'm already dead inside from the kids. So, you know, where else is there to go? Yeah, I would say I don't think you are doing all right with a dog, but we'll move on. Yeah. So, Revis who does love to watch what I he noticed it, I did Elf the Musical in Arenas. He loved it, the huge big musical thing and the live audits, because you got that mixture of arena concert mentality with a musical. When everybody was up on their feet and cheering at the end, he was like,

mommy! And he was so proud of me. And then when I did the Mars Singer, and he saw the reveal, I literally just put my camera over on the Winter, over there, and he was just so chuffed because when you can't see the Mars Singer. And obviously you cannot tell anyone, it's like an M.I.5, like military operation.

Yeah, if you tell anyone, put a dead horse's head in your bed. Has he seen you being run over by Frank Butcher on Christmas Day? No! You can't show that to a kid! His mom getting killed! That is the star! It was Tiffany! It was Tiffany! It was Tiffany! It was a completely different woman in the East End. It just looks a bit like mommy who's not disturbing. You don't understand a relationship with Graun. Yeah. What I was going to say, who did he think you were in the Marstinger? Did he have guesses or did he not really guess?

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What about, do you take him back for pie mash and stuff like that? He's had pie and mash and all of that stuff, all of that stuff. He's gone down the market, I used to do the markets, my mom down the rain and road, she used to do dry flower arrangements and things like that, when she wasn't selling the dodgy perfumes. That was the worst one with a little micthere, the little, that little Brittany Mike selling perfume. Right now, you basically it was 20 quid, you got 15 bottles of perfume. I was like, it's the deal's too good. It's obviously the follars.

You know what, I used to push me out front and go, go, go, and you do it for some reason they believe you more. Rodney and Del Boyd, I loved it. I still love it. There's still like a humour that is in you when you come from a certain background, what you grow up with. Whatever it may be, it's in your DNA and only the people that are around you at that time completely get. Yeah, and there's something I find really comforting about that and it's also something I find really annoying but other people don't get it. Yeah.

What's his accent like? How do you feel about... He's quite neutral. He's quite neutral. He's got he's got the odd twang of me. Yeah. But you've got to remember, Josh, that when I go back to Bethan Green, they think I speak beautifully. You've changed. They go, oh my God, don't don't don't don't don't don't don't don't don't don't don't don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, changed. You don't. They go, oh my God, don't you speak nice now. Can you speak nice now? This isn't helping my decision as to whether leave Hackney or not, Rob, if I'm honest with you. Are you in Hackney? Yeah. Yeah, I live in Hackney? Yeah. Yeah.

He gentrified it and pushed you out. I'm one of the posh lot though, aren't I? Elegantly slumming it, Josh. Yeah, exactly, mate. Where is it you live? Where is it you live that the cab drivers laugh at, Josh? Well, I don't use this the mistake, what you don't call the area is Victoria Park Village, because that goes down very badly indeed. Martin's covering her face with laughter at the moment.

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It was quite on the same page. No, we seem to sort of... Essentially. Are you the boss, Martin? Do you just tell him what's happening and he agrees? Is that a fair assumption? Until a point. Okay. He'll let me sort of run and rave and go on with what I'm doing.

And then if there's something that he really, really doesn't agree with, he puts his foot down and that's it. Oh, so he lets it slide, but then really brings out the big guns for certain things. Yeah. When was the last time he had to put his foot down, Martin? Do you want to share? Or is this too too relationshiply deep? She's thinking. What I'm thinking. It was when I was getting off of the Amazon delivery guy and he said, Martin, come on. No more, it's getting close. I do have a problem with my shopping. tha shopping. thapapapap for the DHL man because he'd seen me so many times and his sister is a big fan and we're you know really really good friends there

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like, oh, what have you got? and rummage and then I'll have that, I left that, I love that. And then whatever they don't want goes to the princess Alice Hospice and they're always really thrilled to see me. Oh, okay, that's fair enough. Okay, you win. God, absolutely done me with a hospice. That's not fair. You can't, you can't finish an sending that back for her own greed she'd prefer the money back than a hospice to have a shirt oh well I'll tell her I'll tell her what she's depriving people of unbelievably oh my god one of our guys which I think a great idea delivery guy also does a side hustle on a Sunday of washing cars so when he stops the stuff, he goes, I do car cleaning on a Sunday, that one's a bit dirty.

And then he touts to work that way. That's a clever way of doing it. Yeah, I've got three dresses here you could clean my car with, thank you very much. Do you want to do the final question, Rob? Do you want to do the throwne. the final, Rob, Rob, Rob, the final, Rob, to, to, to, to, to, the final, to, to, to, the to, to, the to, to, the the the the to, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, that, their, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, th. And, th. And, th. And, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, thi, thi, thi... And, thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, to do, tooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. And, thoooo. And, tho. And, Or are you still being observed doing the podcast? So this is quite exciting. No, no, no, he can stay. No, we've never done this question live before, which is exciting. The question is... It's going out?

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It's only there in case the internet breaks. It's only there in case the internet breaks, because I'm really bad with technical stuff. I need like a feather and a quill and a wax seal, that's my kind of era. Yeah, because your zoom name is Jack McManus as well. You've not even got your own Zoom name. Old school. I'm so bad. I'm so bad.

Anyway, this last question is one thing that your partner, or Jack does that annoys you about parenting, but you don't really bring it up because it will cause an unnecessary argument. Is there something that's been niggling away at you that is fair enough. Or do you just get it all off your chest? Or is there something you're holding back? Okay, for me, it's the secret cause to the mother-in-law. Oh, about when she's coming over to look after Rafferty, and then just makes out that it's all just happened. And I've planned in my diary, he's got mother-in-law driving him nuts to see Rafferty because she adores him and loves him and wants to see him. And he's kind of like in the middle trying to juggle us both. Okay. So he's like, oh, my mum was just saying that she might want to come over tomorrow and maybe

she could pick up Raffity from school. And it could be like a rare day that I've got off and I'm like, you've already already you you you you've already you you've already you you've already you've already you've already you've already you've already you've already you've already you've already you've already you've already you've already you've already you've already you've already you've already you've already that you've already that you've already that you've already that you've already that you've already that you've already that you've already, you've already had that conversation with your mom, haven't you? Oh, so she'll say he'll go, oh yeah, mom, get him next Wednesday and take him out for dinner and then he'll come to you like a day before going, oh, I thought it might be a nice idea, but you know you can't say no. Yeah, it doesn't remember. He's been busy, he's been in the studio,that I put the day off to go and pick him up and now you've let your mom go and do it all. That's fabulous.

Well done. Okay, that is, that's quite. So what would you do? Were you getting to cancel the mum or do you just take it on the chin? Very rarely. But every so often when I just want him to remember the woman of the house I've said. No shit, takes no shit Marti McCutcheon. Good work. I have, I mean, many times, many times I've gone time, I'll share it. Yeah, I'm you know, I'm here. What a waste of the day. I could have just done this and that.

Fine, whatever. And then, okay, every so often, I'm just like, you've done it again. You've not listened to me, we've booked her, we don't need her, you need to cancel her. Oh my word, that is a tough call to have to make to cancel your own mom. It's hard to tell someone to cancel their mom. I've seen some of her tweets. Well, there's times, but listen, you know, there's a job coming in and it's to advertise this or to film this and I've said no to it because I've put him first and I want to meet him and then I'm sat there with the mother-in-law. Not even getting paid for that. For free having to put up with her. By the way we got great and she would probably be the first to say that the wheat linking all this, it's not me or her, is it?

No. It's Jack. It's all Jack's fault. Okay, that's a good one though. That's fair. I think I'm sure happens a lot. Is that the door not? Why do you? I'm gonna have to wrap it up though? Look at the cold dog. Look a cold dog. Oh, crazy. Here is it's the that. It. that. that. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. Jack. Jack. th. Jack. th. th. th. Jack. Jack. Jack. It's all th. Jack. It's all th. It's all. It's all. It's all. It's all. It's all. It's all. It's all. It's all. It's all. It's all. It's all. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It's all. It's all. It's all. Jack. It's all. th. It's all. th. Jack. th. Jack. th. Jack. th. th. th. Jack. th. th. Jack. It's all. It's all. Jack. It's all. It's all. It's all. It's all. It's all. It's all. It's all. It's all. It's positive. It's all good. We're gonna have to wrap it up though because we've got Jack Mclanis's mom on next in a double booking. My God, what I'm saying? Oh my God. Well, you'll be able to listen to it in a couple of weeks, Jack. Yeah, enjoy yourself, mate. Enjoy the last few weeks of your marriage before it.

He's laughing. Ithink it's all for it. Martin, thank you so much for doing this. It's brilliant. Thank you so much, Martin. I've had such a laugh. We've laughed, we've cried. It's brilliant. And we really appreciate your honesty talking about the slightly more difficult things as well. People really appreciate that and I think it's really wise words. Thank you. It's all being human. And the mother-in-in- this, it, it, it, it, and, it, and, it, it, and, it, it, and th- th- th- th- th- th- th- th- th- th- th- th- th- th- th- th th th th th th thi thi th thi thin- thin, tho th th th th th th th th th th th th th th thin, thin, thin, th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th, th, th th, th, th, th, th, th- th- th- th- th- th- th- th- th-in, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin. thin, thin, thi thin, thi thin, thi th. People really appreciate that and I think it's really wise words. Thank you. It's all being human isn't it? All being human and and the mother-in-law, yeah. I'm assuming we've got to wait for Jack to press the button for you Martin. Is that right? She was just going to keep waving until Jack. All right thanks guys. See you later, mate. Bye.

Bye. Martin McCutcheon. That was great. I enjoyed that, Josh. Yeah, that was great. I knew you'd bring up Frank Butcher. Go to, mate. You were so excited to bring up 90s nostalgia. You suggested that she show a fictional version of her murder in front of her son.

Do you know what? It wasn't murder Rob, it was an accident. Look, Rafferty. Stop crying. It was an accident. Frank didn't mean it. Frank was not at fault for that accident, Rafferty. But that was great, I really enjoyed that. Really good. And I would say it now, Rob. Yep. It's very rare you do a podcast where the other two people have both got their partners in the room at the same time. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. time. time. tom. Yes. tom. Yes. Yes. Yes. tom. tod tod, I, I, I, I, I, I, tha, tha, tha, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, the the the the the the the the the the the their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, to to, to, podcast where the other two people have both got their partners in the room at the same time. Yes. I was the only one flying solo for the first 20 minutes. It was a ludicrous decision that Lou's just said oh I'll come down with the dog as if and weirdy Lou was making more noise in the dog panicking about tryings and stuff. Anyway, yeah, so that was, the dogs are fine, they're great actually, they're lovely, you know, as Martin said, they're brilliant and they're not hard to talk. And they genuinely don't get any more, more difficult. That's the beauty of him. But you love it. Yeah, I fucking love it. I don't, you know what? So fucking sleeping the today, mate. I'm fucking to sleep, fucking, fucking, fucking, fucking, fucking, fucking, fucking, they. I. I. I. I. I's, they. I's, they. I's, they. I's, they. they. they. they. They's, they. They're they. They're they're they're they're they're they. They're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they, and they, and they, and they, and they, and they, and they. They, and they. They're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their they're brilliant. And they're brilliant. And get alive, mate. I'm up and about. I'm seeing the world, yeah. I'm fucking taking in those big deep breath,

4 AM, misty, foggy, that crunchy frost at 3 a thro. It's a thrown the day, isn't it, Rob. Best time of the day shit. Exactly. You know what I mean? You've been an idiot to take them out at 11 a.m. You've been an idiot? Who wants to be picking up dog shit in the heat after a hour of sleep? Come on, mate, grow up. Anyway, see on Tuesday, Rob. For more positivity. Yeah, bye. See you then. Bye. Soap from the box is the TV podcast that goes behind the scenes of the nation's favorite shows, including Coronation Street, Emmerdale, Hollyoaks and Eastenders. You know, it was literally, we couldn't sort of go anywhere, we was, you know, without being recognized.

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