Parenting Hell with Rob Beckett and Josh Widdicombe - S03 EP6: Isy Suttie (The Return)

Episode Date: July 30, 2021

ROB BECKETT & JOSH WIDDICOMBE'S PARENTING HELLS03 EP6: Isy Suttie (The Return)Joining us in the studio this episode to discuss the highs and lows of parenting (and life) is the brilliant comedian, actress, and writer - Isy Suttie. Isy's fantastic new book 'Jane is Trying' is available now wherever you buy your books. Enjoy. Rate and Review. Thanks - Rob and Josh xxxIf you want to get in touch with the show here's how:EMAIL: [e-mail]: @parenting_hellINSTAGRAM: @parentinghellA 'Keep It Light Media' Production Sales, advertising, and general enquiries: [e-mail] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Uh, how are you, Robert? Yes, I'm not too bad. I'm good. I can tell you of an issue I've had. Oh, go on. Is it downstairs? No, it's not downstairs, no. Um, it's, uh, well, it is down, it's in the kitchen.

Um, so. It's not what you call your bum? That's not why I call my bum, well I wouldn't call it, the utility room, yeah. The sitting room, nice. Do you still do that stand-up about what your lap is? You only have a lap set down? I haven't done that in years. Yeah, yeah, I haven't done that in years. It's a good bit. It's a good bit. Yeah, it was a bit of film, wasn't it? That was in the first ever show I did, Rob. 10. What were we ever so young? All you cared about was laps back then. Yeah, exactly. Now I've got bigger concerns in my life, sleep.

Now, Ivory Tower Confession, Rob. Oh no, what's happened? Yeah. So we've ordered a new cooker. Okay, what kind of cooker? It's a nice cooker? An arga? No, not an arga, but like a range? No, it's a, but I'm not going

to tell, I'll tell you it's French. It won't surprise you, Rob, that I wasn't the one that did the choosing of the cook. Is it, does it look nice? Yeah, it is a lovely cooker, right? What's the date today? Is it a lachanche? It is a lachanchancea. I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I lachanchanchantechantea. I I I I I I I I I lachanch. I lachanch. I lachanchea. I lachan's a lachan's a lachan's a lachan. I've just just just just a lachanch? I've just literally talked in French cookup. They do it. Oh, it looks beautiful. Yeah. So many knobs. So many knobs. That's like a rugby club. Hey, yes, there we go. There we go. So many knobs, mate. And then it's like a bar on it, the ballet, oh my god. I'd they're that, I that, I that, I that, I that, I the the that, I the the that's, I'd like, I'd like, I'd like, I'd like, I'd like, I'd like, I'd like, I'd like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, I'll like, I'll like, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, I'll like, oh, oh, I'll like, oh, oh, oh, the the the the the the the the the the been no what to do with it. It's so, oh my gosh, we can do some cooking in there boy.

So, a luncheon. My l'ashant, ordered it. Yeah. Yeah. It will be ready. Second week of December. What the fuck are they doing? Are they still cooking in it for now? I don't understand. Why is it taking so long?

This is because they build it, they build each one to order. Oh my God, what color have you gone for? Black with brass trivings. Oh, that's nice. Second week of December. That's too long in it for an oven. How long does it take to... I don't. It's... What are we in July? Can you, do you know, think how far Christmas feels away? You're in a fucking heat wave ordering a cooker and they tell you

it'll be ready for Christmas. And you know that's gonna be delayed and then what's gonna happen is it's it's gonna be delivered on like the 20th and install the new one. So what we're going to have is Christmas dinner cooked in the old cooker with a lachanch in the middle of our kitchen floor. I don't know the fucking lachon. I've never heard of a lachon before now I can't stop saying it. Fuch in the middle of the kitchen floor. Wow lovels. It looks looks looks looks looks looks looks looks looks looks looks looks looks looks looks looks looks looks looks looks looks looks looks looks looks looks looks looks. It looks. It looks. It looks. It looks looks. It looks. It looks. It looks. It looks. It looks. It looks. It looks. It looks. It looks. It looks. It looks. It looks. It looks. It looks. It looks. It looks. It looks looks very. It looks very. It looks looks. It looks very. It looks very. It looks. It looks. It looks. It looks. It looks. It looks. It looks. It looks. It looks. It looks. It looks. It looks. It looks. It looks. It looks. It looks. It looks. It looks. It looks. It looks. It looks. It looks. It looks. It looks. It looks. It looks. It looks. It looks. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's a. It's very. It's very. It's very. It's very. It's very. It's very. It's very. It's very. the. the. It's very. the. the. It's very. It's a the. It's a the. It's a nice. It's a nice. It's a long time to wait. It's too long, Rob. Natural gas? You go gas? Gas, Hobbs, electric ovens. Looks like an absolute fucker to clean, mate. Yeah, well, you know, Rob.

You know me. I love, I love to clean the cooker. You'll have to sort of break it down every Sunday, give it a good old polish. That's how I'm, that's how I. Sunday and then I do the car. The car which is a complete stake because I went to the tip I should say. Oh what you've been doing at the tip? Getting rid of some old bits of wood that used to be a bench and they've ruined the car but I did convince my daughter that she'd enjoy going to the tip to help me and then I did such a good job and at the end she was sad we'd finished

putting rubbish in the bins and asked if we could come next weekend. Really? She loves the tip. She loves to tip. It's a good day out. Sometimes there's stuff there to look, you think, oh should I take that back? It looks alright and you get out of home you definitely don't work. No, no exactly. Exactly. I've got a the kitchens now on cookers. You can get some right mental cookers, can you? Can you? Yeah, I can. Right, you want one? Can you?

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It looks quite big. Can you get it in the house? It's 90 by 90. It's a square cooker. You always want a square cooker. I think that's a coincidence that's 90 by 90. And the gap we've given, we've got is very perilously close to 90. And I'm already, I'm already braced for it not fitting in the gap. I'm already thinking in six months time I'm gonna have to deal with this, but at the moment,

I'm not dealing with it now. So it's a square one. It's not one of those long ones. Oh, night areas. I found the Lechonisneau. That looks very nice. That very compact. I think that should get in mate. Six Hobb burner. Is it Six Hobb burner? the one. You've got six Hobb burner, mate. You're never going to use all six. Let's not go too detailed about this. You're trying to get th. th. to get th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the the the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the, the, the, the, the, th. th. th. th. th, I that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that. I that. I that, I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I the, I the, I the, the, the. I the. the. the. thin. theea. thea. thea. theeea. theeee. theea. theea. thea. thee. I the. I tell you this is a low moment. I did contact them on Instagram to see whether they could do it any quicker. Oh really? Yeah, I thought this is my chance. The Widdicum sway. Imagine who's running that? I can't imagine they're on Twitter. It's such an old school company. Obviously, yeah, they don't have last leg in France. How has you been parenting wise those this week Josh all right? Yeah all right. It's safe you know some holidays is there? No summer holidays for holidays for. No summer holidays.

And yeah it's do you know what? I'm feeling better which I know is worse for the podcast. Not ideal for content Rob. It's not ideal for content no. But I've got hope, I've got kind of, I'm trying to stay positive. Yeah, and um... You've ordered a cooker. You're living your best life. Exactly. I've got friends that are having a... Their three-year-old's not sleeping like screaming like she's been chased by a bear. Ah, I mean you go in there and try and sort of like comfort her

and she isn't awake, she's sort of like half a sleep, half away. So you can't, you have to sort of really like snap her out of it. But I've been good gouging it and apparently you're better off just leaving them to have the night terror because if you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you they they they they they they they they they they they they they're they're they're they're they have the night terror because if you try and wake them and comfort them you scare them more because they're not fully away. It's when my daughter had the night terrors and you just have to sit there and you basically it's like watching the exorcist isn't it? It's awful. Oh, it's horrendous.

She's just going absolutely mad. But yeah, it's just bring her down and they watch watch mo mo mo watch watch watch watch. five minutes and then she goes back up to bed. But yeah it's horrible but I can't not cuddle her. No, it's it's a horrible situation because you're like are they going to remember this? Is this a thing? And then we asked her in the morning and she didn't remember it. Yeah, exactly. So you're just better off letting her get on with it but then you feel bad. Yeah, so I don't know what I'm going to do. If anyone's anyone anyone anyone anyone anyone anyone anyone anyone anyone anyone anyone anyone anyone anyone anyone anyone anyone anyone if anyone anyone if anyone anyone if anyone if anyone if anyone anyone if anyone anyone if anyone if anyone anyone if anyone's got any night terror tips. Yeah, any night terror tips. That'd be very helpful, but yeah, she just goes absolutely loopy, loopy-loo. Right, I've got some more Instagram messages, Josh. Have you got some emails?

Oh, go on. Go ahead, this one's from, I think it's an anonymous here. Anyway, hi, fellas, I've only just started listening, but I love it. play it to my clients in my home salon. Wow! That's a bold move. That's a dangerous game to play isn't it? Yeah, because if they don't like it, they've just got to pretend while they're in the home salon, which is legal now, I imagine. All the freedom day. Anyway, I'm a mom to three kids, 15, 9 and 7. Strange names. And I've got all their, oh no. They'll be loving that in the salon. That's the kind of thing I want during the hair cut. That kind of stuff. Exactly. I've got all their belly buttons and their keepsake. Oh my god, leave her salad now. She's insane. So you've got all... She's going to keep your hair. She's going

to make a voodoo doll out of it. She Years ago, we had taken the eldest boy out for dinner and during it he needed a wee. He'd been doing very well, but had become obsessed with standing up like Daddy to go to the wee. I'm in the lady's toilet and he could just about reach a loo. As he's peeing, he starts to shout, I'm pooing. Looking down and not being able to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to turn to turn to turn to turn to turn to turn to turn to turn to turn to turn to turn to turn to turn to turn to turn to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the the the tue.. the the. the. thea. thea. thea. thea. too. to thea. to the the the the the the the the to to to turn him in time, I reluctantly held out my hand and caught the poo. Oh my God. It was relatively, it was relatively solid. I reassured him and turned to wipe my hand on tissue roll. Well you guessed it, there was none. So with my hands full of skids, I opened the door to go and wash my hands while I was telling my lad to hang on and let me get some tissues. Oh my word. As I opened the door, I was greeted by the young lady who had served us and had to ask if she could get me some paper to wipe my cons ask and my shitty hands. Oh my God.

When we returned to the table my husband asked where the hell we had been and why we're taking so long. When I told him you found it so hilarious he started to choke it so to to to to to to to to the to to to to the to to the to the to the the to the the the the the the to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their their their their their their their their their the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thoomol. I. I thoomol. thoomol. thoome. thoomoome. thoooooooooooomeolooome. ta thoooooooooooooom. the. the. the. the. to. him he found it so hilarious he started to choke on his food. We ended up having to perform the homelick maneuver on him. I'm taking into hospital. But all I could think while slapping his back was I just held shit on these hands. Keep anonymous as my son will kill me if he knew that I think I told you any of this. Oh my, that, so I've kept the belly buttons, her son's done a poo and her hand, or a cusponschoking and she's slapping his back of her poo and had to go to the hospital. That is something else, isn't it? What an afternoon! That would be too much if you wrote that in a sitcom. You know what you go? I'll, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, th. Oh, th. Oh, th. Oh, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, a bit much. Yeah. I'm not going back to university to be your friend. I'm going so I can get Uber 1 for students. It saves you on Uber and Uber eats. I'm there for zero dollar delivery fee on

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telling them to tune on Tuesday the 18th of May to find out that you had forgotten. Josh I still don't think we should read it out. Oh come on Ron. Well maybe we'll do it on Tuesday. Let's do it on Tuesday. no let's the. th. th. th. th. th. th. th th th th th th th th th th th th th thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu-I thu-I thu-I thu-I thu-I thu-I thu-I thu-I thu-I thu-I thu-I thu-I thu-I thu-I thu-I thu-I thu-I thu-I thu-I thu-I thu-I thu-I thu-I thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu-wee thu-wea to to to to to to to to to to to-n''-w-n'-woooooooo'-wooooooooooooooooooooo do it. Michael, how long have we got? I think this is a good, such a good interview with Izzy, it's going to be a long one, isn't it? Have we got room, Michael? We can't leave Pond again. She says from the very unsulty, even though you forgot all about me, Lucy Pond, straight Pondy. Okay, hello Josh and Luzuz, Lou's calling me, can, can, can, can, can, can, can, can, can, can, can, can, can, can, can, can, can, can, can, can, can, can, can, can, can, can, can, can, can, can, can, can, can, can, can, can, can, can, can, can, can, can, can, can, can, can, can, can, can, th, can, th. We, th. We, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we're, th. Lo, th. Lo, th. Lo, th. Loo, th. Loo, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thus, th. th. th. th. thus, we're th to sort something out. Right now this was genuinely one of the funniest interviews we've done in a long time wasn't it? We hardly talk about parenting really do we? Hardly talk about parenting. Not about food which sort of ties him in your new cooker. It's a real cooker episode this week. Yeah, let's put it this way. Izzy doesn't need a la chanche. No. And we say, I don't want a trigger warning, if you don't like the saying from scratch, turn off now because that

gets said a lot. And if you're Ellis James, turn off now because you genuinely, there's a lot of things said about you. Ellis James gets an absolute mother in at the end. Yeah, he's not going to be happy about it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I. Yeah. I. I. I. Yeah. I. I. I. I. I. tr. I. tr. tr. I. tr. tr. tr. I. tog. I. I. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. end. Yeah, he's not going to be happy about it. This is Izzy City. Hello, Izzy Suttie, how are you? Hello, I'm fine. I've got a coffee and a pint of orange squash. Oh, God. Hangover? Is that a hangover cure? Or just how you start a day? I did go out last night with my two of my friends for that like how much have we all been out in the last year and a half? And was absolutely brilliant we went to this place where you like grill your own food over a grill. What? Oh, yeah. What do you mean? They don't do it for you? No, it's. I didn't think that and they were like, yeah, you bring you a grill and

yeah, yeah, I remember there's this cafe that I used to go to with my Scottish to my Scottish th where there was a toaster on every table and like loads of different types of bread and jams and stuff and it was like only eight pounds and you can eat as much toes as you want and we love going there and my mate was like you know you could just do that at home it is literally a toaster and it was like oh yeah yeah the point of going that is they do it for you so you So you've been in lockdown cooking for yourself for 18 months you've gone out to cook for yourself on a little grill. It's fun you've had good time you've got a coffee and a pint of squash. Yeah. I ask a question. Are you too old for squash? Oh how dare you? Oh I drink squash too Josh. I know I well I took that as red Robb.

But... I know, well I took that as red Rob, but... I presumed as much, is he? What kind of squash is it? It's orange squash. Do you know what? Ellis is absolutely obsessed with squash, and I think if I hadn't found Ellis, that's a weird way of describing my relationship. If I wasn't going out with Ellis, I probably wouldn't have it in the house, but he get, I mean, we had to have one, he's like this with squash and radox, he has to have one full one, like in reserve, or he gets to be. Me and, me and Ellis have a lot in common. Squash, you've got to drink a lot,

people aren't drinking water and if one just keeps drinking tea, which is bad for you. And if you have the flavor in a nice pine-al quarters have some squash it's good for you Josh well do you know what I've done do you know what I'm consuming more water what's that I've got I've got 840 meals of soda streamed water right next to me here Rob in a bottle soda stream I got soda stream you mean it's bubbles in it I bought a soda stream because it's the 90s. And it's absolutely changed my drinking habits. Okay, so what, have you got, have you, I'm wary on this because at one point, Soda Stream we're gonna sponsor our podcast and they didn't and I don't wanna give them too much advertising for free?

So what is it just selling to fizzy water? Yeah, so I just had fizzy water because I really like Fizzy Water, but I was starting to get guilt about how many plastic bottles I was getting through. You get through it, don't you? Yeah, you get through it. Oh, sometimes I think, Josh, you've got to stop having so much guilt. I'm just drinking water, you're not in charge of the bottling process. my house. Do you make coke and lemonade with it or is it? No I don't you can. I do apple juice with Fizzy water for myself if I'm feeling you know. Oh it's a Friday night.

That's exciting. You show your own apple ties. I make my own apple tie. It's easy to make? Yeah it is five squidges of the button and there you are. Yeah, I want to get one now. I mean actually you have done really good advertising. I mean I know I'm literally looking at them on Amazon now. Josh what are you doing? We should have got the money in for it. We shouldn't just be saying it. This is terrible advertising. I never had a soda stream in the 90s. Was it 80s or 90s? It was both really. Emma Vinx, my best friend had one and it was so exciting to go. But what happens if you put like ice cream in it or something? Would it make Fizzy ice cream?

I think you just... I'm down. All right, Heston's on the phone. Guys, I'm thinking of diversifying. I don't think that's such athing as fizzy ice cream, is that? Do you have to buy gas canisters to refill it? Yeah, you do have to buy gas canister? Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, they're great for the environment, John. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Just ship kindly bottles around thed. He must have his put an apple, it's a weekend. You can't get fizzy in the paper bottles, can you? You what? You can't get, you can't put, you know like, if you're trying to do it. You can have fizzy and glass I suppose, can you?

Yeah, I reckon paper cardboard wouldn't contain the bubbles would it? No. Do you know what, just buy a bottled water? Can I say that? Is that allowed? I think we've covered all bases of the options of Fizzy Water. We've promoted and had to go at all the different angles, if anything. I think people have left more confused than at the start of the Fizzy Water. Either way, do you drink Squash? No, I don't know. I do make my own apple ties like a complete twat. Do you let your kids drink squash, Izzy?

Well, look, everything's gone. If you asked me a year and a half ago, I would have said no. But I mean, I don't know about you, but like everything, all the standards have slipped. Yes, yeah. You know yo-yo's those like fruit winders. I don't know if that's the right name for it's th, but it, but it, but it, but it's, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, everything, thi, thi, everything, everything, everything, everything, everything, everything, everything, everything's, everything's, everything's, everything's, everything's, everything's, thi, everything's, thi, everything's, everything's, thing's, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi's, thi's, thi's thi's thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi's thi's thi's thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi's, everything, everything, everything's, everything's, everything, yeah fruit winders. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if that's the right name for it, but I know exactly what you meant. I think there's an own brand

version of them called fruit winders, which is why, which Betty won't eat. She's like, no, it's got to be a yo-yo. It's got to have the cards in yo-yo's a day. Like she comes up to me and goes, can have a yo-yo? And I just go, yeah. Like there was a period where I was like, no, you've had 12, maybe you could eat some proper fruit. But then in my head, I'm like,

well, it is fruit, it's just baked fruit. But it's just like, if you're like, So yeah, no, they do drink squash. The little one doesn't, I make it very weak, but then he just grabs my pint of squash and downs like half of it. So this is your second appearance on the show, Izzy. Can we just have a quick reminder of the ages of your kids? Yeah, Betty's six and Stefan's too. And when you was on last time, we had Ellison as well, your partner, who was doing like the early shift and you were going to bed later because you was writing a book. Now your book's finished.

Is that correct? It is, yeah. So what's the sort of set up now with the child care divide now? How's the sleep? How's the sleep junkie? Oh, he's a sleep junkie, Josh. Okay, listen, Josh, Josh, thi's. th. th. th. th. thi, thi, th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, th. Now, th. Now, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th. Now, th. Now, th. Now, th. Now, th. Now, th. Now, so, th. Now, th. tho, tho, tho, tho, tho's, tho's, tho's, tho's, tho's, tho's, the tho's, the the the tho's, the tho's, the tho's, so-ie Josh. He's got a new kid and he's a sleep junkie. Oh, Josh. Okay, listen, Josh is not going to be easy for you to hear this. Um, brace yourself. Yeah. It's good. What? Yeah. Interviews over.

But it was bad about a week ago, isn't it? It was terrible for years. So console yourself with that. Like, basically, the reason that Ellis started doing the mornings and I was doing all the cooking and cleaning in return, which some of my mates thought was quite unfair on me, but I was very controversial. It was very controversial. Very much. Was it? Yeah.

It was very much. It was a lot of abuse of me and Rob. I got called a gammon pig. The thing that I feel like I didn't mention the first time is that when I say all the cooking and cleaning, like I wasn't really doing that much cleaning and like it sounds like I was like you know dawn till dusk scrubbing floors and like mopping yeah like a 1940s housewife yes exactly with a penny on and if you saw this dining room I'm sitting in I mean like there's a pile all the

time on the on the dining table of like pens and books and like my work, Ellis's work, the kids drawings, just getting higher and higher. Yeah. We've got other them tables. Oh my, right. So yeah, I think we still call it the dining table. We've never dined on that table and it's fucking like, it's like a boot sale. It's like a boot sale. People would pay not to come to. Like a car boot sale, people would pay not to come to this stall. The only time we're eating here is Christmas dinner. And this is how much I did cooking and cleaning.

I found a pea yesterday in the corner from Christmas dinner that was like all shriveled up. So what is it now? July? So you know, I was sort of giving it all that in a way, but I still hate doing the morning. So what happens since the last of this podcast is, his sleep, which had been terrible, and that was the reason Ellis started doing the morning is because he was like, I don't mind getting up early, but I hate cooking and cleaning, fine, that's the deal. His sleep got better. So when it got better, I was like, why am I cooking like a steak from scratch? Why am I making like... Sorry, a steak from scratch is probably

got me the easiest thing you could have cooked. Unless a steak from scratch means a cow. Yeah, you've gone to the avatar. Going into a field, catching a cow, killing it with my bare hand. A steak from scratch, yeah. Look guys, I'm not just cooking. I'm doing steaks from screys. I've had to let it to get to room temperature for 20 minutes, guys. I've had to come in here 20 minutes early.

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to get me to do for ages. That's everything in a pot. That's everything in a pot. But you have to like rub flour in it and stuff. Yeah. Got your bolognaise? Yeah. I did make one thing that was ambitious, which I got from, I think a recipe book like a posh recipe book and it was like pie and you had to yeah it was chicken pie I didn't make pastry why do you keep talking about food like you've never heard these words before chicken pie is it chicken pie chicken pie P what pee pee pee pee pee pee pee pee

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that she's everything there in what with the other kids, I think you're sort of. As long as they're eating enough, they're not healthy stuff, and I think that's an unhealthy attitude to food. You're allowed to not like it. That's true. Apparently my grandpa said to me when I was about five or six, I want to see a nice clean plate. And actually I remember that he used to say that whenever I was eating you used to go,

I want to see a nice clean plate. And one day he said, I had to poach the chicken in milk. Yeah, still going. Yeah, still going. And then you had to sieve it and all the milk went, everyone, there were bits of chicken and then, and I was like, this is really, and it was nice, but I was like, this has taken more than half an hour. I'm not doing this again. So that was like, that was the only time the only time time the only time the only time the only time the only the only time the only time I've been more ambitious. So when Steffi started, so like he wasn't sleeping very well, then he started sleeping better again, so I kind of pulled back my standards from steak from scratch to like beans on

toast. Right, yeah. Then he started. Just raw steak tonight guys. Yeah. I'm not doing it from scratch. It's finished. It's ready to go.

I'm not putting the quiche in the oven. If you give you a bottle to slice it, we'll have Carpaccio, but otherwise just chew it on it like a dog. There's a field, there's a cow. Do your best. So he started sleeping well again. I pulled back because I was like Ellis isn't, you know, Ellis doing the mornings, he's getting eight hours sleep. I'm not doing all the cooking, cleaning, everything was about balance, right? So, okay, so it's a bit like your oven-ready Brexit deal is now needs to be renegotiated because the goalposts have moved.

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waking up the day sometimes at 4.30 or 5. So that was hard for Ellis. Then when he's like, well again he was sleeping until maybe 6 or 6.30. So I was like actually you know this is fine this is like later than post people get off you know I think I did know if you're being like the 2021 word for like you know postman post people or you were talking about post people like some sort of apocalyptic situation oh yes when people don't exist anymore I didn't know where we were in yeah post people are gonna go after this blimming pandemic, everyone's going to be a post person. Yeah, we're all going to get up at that time. Yeah, no, post men and women. I was like,

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that they're teenagers. Ellis said, this is what I do. I imagine he's a teenager and he, like he doesn't want to hug me. And a few people had said this. And it's like, this is my chance to give him a cuddle. So I was trying to do that. This is this particular night. I was like. I this. I this. you, maybe he's not in one band, he's in five bands, you know, he's got a really long friend, he's got spots, he doesn't want to taught you. But I just lay there thinking, I find, I think my patience has really got thinner since I've had kids. I said that's really controversial for guys, I think it's really weird. But Ellis just seems to be really calm the whole the whole the whole the whole the whole the whole the whole the whole the whole the whole the whole the whole the whole the whole th. th. th. th. I th. I thin thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thi, thi, thi, thin, thin, thin, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's thi. He's thin, he's thin. I's thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thi's thi's thi's thi's thi's got thi's got thi's got thi's got thi's got thi's got thi, but I think the patience has got thinner. But Ellis just seems to be really calm the whole time, but I think I get really like, instantly like, oh my god, this is how it's always going to be. And I lay then, I was like, oh my God, right, okay, Izzy, just chill, chill and B, because I'm old, is that thing, isn't it,

where you go, oh, because of the pandemic, I can't go clubbing anymore. And I'm like, I've been clubbing for like 15 years. Like this idea that if it wasn't for COVID, I'd be out every week, I'm like watching chemical brothers and like. I'm quite up for another barrier to stop me going to a night. Yeah. that. Yeah. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I'm. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm like. I'm like. I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like. I'm like. I'm like. I'm like. I'm like. I'm like. I. I. I. I. I. I. I'm like. I'm like. I'm like. I'm like. I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm like, I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm like, if you got, oh actually, you can't not double jab that cheats next week, so I'll miss us one out guys. Have a good stag do, I'll see it back at the hotel. It's the ultimate. So you, the way you deal with it was be lie there and think about things you couldn't do. Well, it was like I lay there and I was like, just chill, and all th all th all, and all, and all, and all, and all, and all, and all, and all, and all, and all, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, I thi, I thi, I tho, I tho, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, thr-a, thr-a, too.. toooooo. too. tha. tha. thi. thi. thi. th about something I haven't thought about Frages where me and my best mate from home had an argument in a pub in Matlock when we were like 18 about the pronunciation of

X-muth and it was before the internet so she was saying it was X-mouth and I was like as if like and we ended up getting the barman and saying, you know, how do you pronounce it? Stuff like that just came into my head because I was just like lying there with, it was really the things of tanks, but you're not. You know when people go in those isolation tanks or something? Yes, I went in one and they find these places in their mind that they didn't know they had. Yeah, felt really kind of like, yeah I wouldn't like it. I felt like I was in a tank with a lid on. Like it felt really, and I started swimming around in it, which I don't think you're supposed to do. No, you're not going to do that. You're not going to do legs. Just going under, holding your breath in how long you can do. Do you think, when you think, when you say, like, the th is, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, th. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. head up than me, but I think, I think there's like a, like an unsaid undue pressure that sort of women are sort of more maternal and like, mom, mom, like, mom's, where like, like, in traditionally men haven't been. So now if you're a man in 2021, doing stuff for your kids, it's almost like it's when you're riding a wave of self-congressor off yeah yeah actually do I mean men normally like my dad didn't do that

much I'm doing this so I'm like you're automatically sort of on a bit of a high of like we're actually there's undue pressure on women to sort of automatic know what they're doing and be on top of it stereoty you see a man with like a sling on with a newborn, you're probably doing this, Josh, like sauntering down the street. I can't do what the heat is here. I've got my flat white. I've got my strap on kid. But it's too up for you, Josh, is it, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, the. the. the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, the.. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the and the the sling is an absolute horror show. You do end up with like a mountain of sweat don't you? Yeah. Yeah. Well it's like something an army person would put on isn't it? To train. I think they're called soldiers? They're called

soldiers. Don't want to be the stiff neck of the group there are certain names of certain things. You can say soldiers. Sold like post-person you can also soldier. Soldier's fine, there'll be no gender argument there mate. What are those soldier men? I don't think they're soldier rats. Soldier boy, soldier girl. But do you think that is all just thinks you're more personalities you and Ellis? Well I think you're right and I remember when my mates had kids before I did I would often see the guys like referring to looking after their kids as a babysitting. Yeah. I've fallen into that trap. Yeah yeah but yeah well you're not alone. It's a difficult, it's a difficult, you say it and then the moment you say it people pick up on it. I never have because I'm very modern man and I think the birds are doing great things things looking up a the the their their their their their their their their they they they they they they they they they they they they they they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're not they're not they're not they're not they're not they're not they're not they're not they're not they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're tho. toy. toy. te. te. te. te. te. te. I tho they're not they're not they're they're they're they're they're think the birds are doing great things looking off the kids. And I'm happy to do a bit as well.

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I don't think, I think that got the bugger, you're on the phone. She ain't panicking. Is she? Good on ya. Two she's got. Yeah, that is my wife, yeah, yeah. They can't cancel my voice. You can't cancel the voice.

You can't called their male child, that's a weird way, their little boys mate. And there was one, I remember going to this thing and there was a man with his boy and he only called him mate and I never knew what the kid's name was. He must have called him mate. I was like, is his name mate? Anyway, Ellis, I have to say. That is a South London thing though, mate. I've played football with

blokes for 10 years and I don't know their name. Yeah, and I'll just call them mate. Mate, mate, and I'm calling for the ball like that. It's a good to you go mate you don't know my name you hundred percent don't know my name but if I call you mate you just think it's all right what about pal I don't mind pal it's quite northern isn't it yeah I suppose it is actually yeah a bit more northern pal mate I hate chief or feller oh yeah yeah I'm the chief fella feels it feels like an affectation. I hate being called Big Guy. I'm five for eight. I'm not a big guy. You're just implying I'm fat.

I'm not a big bloke. I'm actually I think I'm below average high. It was fucking Big guy. Big guy. Hey, Big guy, what's up? Hey, Big guy, what's up? I just sometimes call people mate, but I don't know if I'd call someone I didn't know, mate. What would you call the plumber? If you got a plumber him? What are you calling?

Actually, I think I would probably maybe say, mate, to, yeah. Yeah. I'd immediately go, all right, mate, you want a cup of tea? They absolutely can't even get in the door before good guy. Here's your cup of tea. Would you offer them something from the soda stream, Josh? What? Do you want a homemade apple ties? Just still for me. Out of cardboard, thank you.

I'd offer them still water, mate. I'd offer them a still water, mate. A weird, I'd say water. Would you like some still water mate? A weird thing happens when you're a woman, which is that you start getting called Madame or Mom. That's what's happening. Like, now I'm 42. I've never minded being called Love or Darling. I don't know why, I just haven't.

I don't might be called mate, pal. I don't actually really mind what I'm called because for me, it's about the intention behind it, if you know what I mean? Like I mind being called love or darling if I feel like they're being sexist, but if it's sort of that is what they call women, it just, yeah, instinctively, I don't mind. But what's happened in the last sort of like four or five years is that sometimes people would say, Madam or mom, and I'm like, oh my God. That is a weird, yeah. Where's mom?

When are they saying mom? What kind of situation? I think it happened in the hardware shop? But it's sort of hard though because it is, I think a lot of blokes are so scared like blokes will go, all right darling, all right, cheers, love, you wait, they're love, which is a bit, some people would find that disrespectful, but then it only leaves you with quite sort of, you know, like authoritative, you know, officious titles of madam and mom. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, exactly. But then I suppose what would you say if it wasn't about their gender? Then it, something like mate or pal is quite, can be applied to both, but I think some older women maybe wouldn't want to be called mate. I don't think my mom would want to be called mate. No, I would go with sugar tits. Do you think that's a mistake? I think that's the safest? Yeah, if you're a free one, men, men, men, men, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's that's that's that's that's that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. to. to. to. to to they. to to they. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the. to that's the safest. Yeah, if you're a free one, men and women. Yeah. Well, because bird, you know, calling someone a bird. I don't like that. No, exactly.

But then that's if you know someone's name, being a bird or bird, that's disrespectful, because bird, it's basically old English for his poetic, it's poetic, it's poetic, poetic young maiden, basically, If someone's seeing someone and you've never met them before and they're bringing them to a party or something, he's bringing his bird and it's actually spelt BYRD, it's not an animal, so it's old English. Oh, I see. So, if I, if I went, oh, that's Ellis' bird and you're stood there, that is so disrespectful, but if I'd never met you before and thrown, theymeetting, thrown, thrown, thr-and, thr-a, thr-a, thr-a, thr-a, thr-a, thr-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-s, thr-i-i-i-i-i, and it's actually speded-i, and it's actually th it's actually thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, they's actually actually actually actually actually actually thi, some, somea-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-ss, and throoer, and that's where it's from originally, but obviously it's been used in a derogatory sense

when people have not bothered to learn the name of a radio company. Sorry, it got a bit stiff out my neck there. But nobody's because I look into it. It's very interesting though, but how thing like jars. It's only about how they mean it. And if a word changes its meaning over time, I think the most up-to-date meaning is how it should be taken. Oh, of course. It's interesting to learn about that. Yeah, exactly. But that is, that should never, no one should know a bird to their face or if you know them or if you've met them, it was always used in we don't know who that person is. So he went off with some bird because you don't know who that person is or and you've never met them, you have no name. It's just a young single woman that he's gone off with. Yeah. Basically is what that implies. But whatever the most up-to-date meaning, the most, the most, the most, the most, the most, the most, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that that, that that that that that that that that that that person-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-a-a-a-a-a-s is th-s-s, th-s, th-s-s, thoo-s, thoo-s.a-s, tho-or-or-or-or-or-or-a-or-or-a-or-a-iso-a-s is that that tho that came from because in up north if someone calls you pet, pet seems a bit of a weird thing to be called but because it's like a part of that

sort of accent and that. Oh yeah, they like actually isn't that a bit weird or duck or duck? No, I think duck. No, I think duck. So where I'm from in dark. Yeah, I wouldn't even register it. It's like the word, and that's the men and women duck isn't it? Yeah, yeah, especially young men. I don't know if you'd say it to like a rugby player who's like... Did you get the dinner ladies would go with my lover? Did you, did you have that one? My lover? Oh God, that's so weird. You're like my lover?

The dinner ladies? It was almost exclusive to dinner ladies that phrase. Check it as part of the training. Yeah, yeah. So they'd be like, come through my lover on all that kind of stuff. Oh, that's lovely. Training, my lover, get inside. Yeah, yeah, exactly. I was any of their lovers. Anyway, just to clarify.

Where do we really gone off tangents today? Oh, I don't know what you hop and step his hand. Oh, men. Ellis, I have to say, much as I want to come on here and slag Ellis off, um, because that's what the listeners want. I mean, that's funner, isn't it? But I have to say the truth. I hate to go back back back back back back back back back back to to to to go back to go back to go back to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the language the language the language language language language language language language language language language language language language language language, the language language language, the language language language, the language language, their the language language language, their their their their their their their to to to their there. It's funner and my lover. I think he he actually does do so much. I think and I don't want to say I'm lucky because like you said Rob it shouldn't be like, hey guys, but he really does do a lot of child care and a lot around the house and I think it's great.

Yeah. To kind of... I said it really like, reluctantly like, yeah, like a politician. I haven't been made to, yeah, like Dominic Cummings like that. Yeah, he does a lot and I think it's great. Live from the Rose Garden here on BBC News. To steer you on to something more beneficial to you, but also keep it on parenting, how was writing a book in a house with two kids while you were also making a stake from from scratch?

It was at times really hard. Like Like there were bits, so I got my notes from my editor just after COVID began and I remember being upstairs in bed in Betty's bed because it was like the only place that people weren't screaming, thrown balls at the wall and that's just Ellis. Lovely. Thank you. I think everyone has a place in their house where if they want to escape they go at mine at mine. their end. their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their they were they were their their their their their their their their their their their their bits their bits their bits they were were were their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their they were they were they were they were they were they were th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. the. the. the. theat. theat. the. theat. the. the. their their their their their their their their their the. the. the wall and that's just Ellis. Lovely. Thank you. I think everyone has a place in their house where if they want to escape they go at mine it's a spare bedroom under the washing, the clean washing. I'd go and hide under there sometimes. Is there always clean washing on the bed?

Always? Is that a wardrobe? It's a lay down wardrobe basically. It's always clean washing on the bed until someone comes to to stay to stay to stay to stay to stay to stay to stay to stay to stay to stay to stay to stay to stay to stay to stay to stay to stay to stay to stay to stay to stay to stay to stay to stay to stay to to to to to to to the the the the the the the the the the their their their their their their their the bed until someone comes to stay then we panic. But it's been a lockdown so no one stays. Exactly. It's just a wall of washing. I actually get to the point where I don't put things away. I know where they are on the dryer or on the floor under the dryer. I just get it off my pants pile off the bed. That's where my clothes live. There was one day where I had a 28 minute gap to try and do like 500 words when I was doing the rewrites. And I like ran upstairs and I was like I can do it, I can do it.

And then both of them started crying Betty first then Steffi. And they were like screaming and I was like, what am I? Like, this is so hard because I'm just going to go downstairs. I like need to see what's going on. It was it was it was really tricky. It was tricky. And Ellis, we still go upstairs and work quite a lot because things really aren't normal even now are they? A lot of us are still working from home and the kids are back at school and the childminders. But like that bit where we were all in, it's just a blur. Like it is, I don't know how I got anything done now. And Ellis, like even now, we'll go up to our room to work, almost like he's now conditioned,

even if the dining room's free with the pee on the floor, like he will go upstairs and get in bed and work. And then I, the amount of stuff he leaves up there is unbelievable. It's like, two, the other the other the other the other the other the other the other the other the other the other the other the other the other the other the other the other the other the other the other the other the other the other the other the other the other th. th. th. thoom. thoomorrow, thoomorrow thoomorrow that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that's, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. th. th. th. the. th. the. that, that, that, that, that's, that's, that's, th. th. th I the amount of stuff he leaves up there is unbelievable it's like two the other day there were two halves of molt loaves that he'd been biting off like by two new ones that he'd open for some reason I think he thought that he was gonna be all of the first and then forgot that he'd opened it and then coffee which he always has to make from scratch weighing it out. Scratch?

Yeah. This is got a thing in your house isn't it? Fucking hell, he's in Colombia at the moment picking the cocoa bean. So he weighs out the coffee beans and then he grinds them. The other day I was waiting and we were going to go ape in Battersea Park and I was waiting we were going to go ape in Battersea Park. And I was like, please can we go? And he was like, I need to make a coffee. And he's like weighing out of this coffee. I'm like, oh my God, we haven't been out of the house yet. Why does he have to, why does he do that to the coffee?

What is it just, it's perfect? My mom finds it really funny because, she's like, and a half but with a few times it would have been seen mom and his family it has to take his scales he's like a dealer he has to take his scales and the coffee beans and then he has to wait has to take the grinder which is really heavy and um you won't let anyone else do it yeah yeah yeah I've been could not know this Josh no but he wouldn't and sometimes his mom like, oh I've got a cafeteria.

Well that'd be all right, Ellis. He's like, no, I've got to have my scales and my grinder. What kind of scales is it? It's electric scales. He's not got like little, little weights and two sides. What kind of grinders he got as well as well. He's not the app is it? A couple of lads jump on in a cab from Soho. We've all undergone changes in the last year. Some of us have realized stuff. No, they're electric scales and it's like a hand grinder with like a handle. It's quite big. And the kids always want to do it of course

and he won't let them do it in case they grind it the wrong way. Like. So we were like nearly to go ape because he'd had to make this. Was was go was go was go was go the kids. Was was go the kids. Was. Was. Was the kids. Was. Was. Was. Was to go. Was. Was to go. Was to go. Was to go. to go. the kids. to go. to go. to go. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the to. We. I. I. I. I. But. I. But. I. But. Was Go Ape with the kids? It was with Betty. Right. How was that? It was, I've done it before with her and it, so Ellis said I really want to do it. And I said, do you know, it's heights. And he was like, it'll be fine. And then he was like white and shaking when he came down. she'd been going first and been like come on dad and he's like I'm not doing it again it was it was so scary and it was like the kids one so it weren't even the big one no she's six they had too much coffee I think I can't relax.

So how is Steffi sleeping all right now? He doesn't don't have to hold his hand. Did he just sort of grow out back there? No, it's fine now. We had to sort of like go back to scratch and do like loads of stuff, like going to the stair-gait and t only one who can get him to go back into bed and he's like, Stefan, bed and Stephanie like scuttles to bed like a little like is from Oliver Twist or something like he looks from side to side and like scuttle and then when I try and do it, he just laughs so I have to go down and get Ellis to come and say, so I'm not to record Ellis saying, Stefan, bed!

Well, it's the thing, it's a, my three-year-old's got a bit funny like that, she's just not going to bed, but I think it's the heat doesn't help, for this heat wave we're in at the moment. It really doesn't help did you have people like cheering outside the window and stuff? Oh yeah yeah yeah yeah why people in the garden for the football I learned socially distant and totally the right amount of numbers but also the way you said

that it was like you didn't know them they'd just come into the garden they're squatters I just let them stay you know especially as well as a they're they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they they're they they they they're they're they're they're they're they're they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're the their their their they're their their they're their their they're their they're they're their they're they're they're they're they're they're so many different nationalities all around Europe that's like every other gardens every night. Oh, they're Belgian, never knew. Never knew they were Belgian, four down. I went to see a Euro 96 game and it was Denmark versus Sweden. Did you? Yeah. Because you know nothing about football. We just met these Danish guys. Because Ellis said he was watching the final with you, or the Denmark game, sorry. Yeah.

And when England scored their winning goal, you looked up and you went, oh is that who Harry Kane is? Yeah, that was the first time you'd ever seen him in the flesh? Yeah, and then I watched the final final on my own because he went to do a podcast inverted commas at someone's house. He did, no he did have to do podcast because he was like I think I better leave at four o'clock to make sure I get there in time and then he was like yeah we had loads of really nice food and I was like actually yeah that's fine into it. But um she adds hastily, but I watched it on my own and it was quite weird and then I didn't know like what was going on so I just had to put it all on Twitter and people genuinely couldn't believe that I didn't know. What do you mean you

didn't know what was going on? What stuff was like? I realized that in order to know how long it would be I had to add 45 plus and I was like oh I do. that the football match was? And I was like, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I that, I that, I that, I just to to to to to to put, to put, to put, to put to put to put to put it all, to put it all, to put it all, to put it all, to put it all, to put it all, to put it all, to put it all, to put it all, to put it all, to put it all, to put it all, to put it all, to put it all, to put it all, to put it all, to put it all, to put it all, to put it all, to put it all, to put it all, to put it all, to put it all, to put it all, to put it all, to put it all, to put it all, to put it all, to put it all, to to put it all, to put it all, to to to put it all, to put it all, to put it all, 45 but obviously my math is so bad but I have to ride it together every time but I didn't know how long a football match was? No and then I didn't know how long extra time people were like 30 minutes and people couldn't believe I didn't know I suppose because Alice likes football so much but yeah yeah no I can you name 10 footballers definitely what who are playing now or like who've ever played have a played except in that England team and exchange for that will promo your book what who did you say who haven't played on the England team who aren't in that current England

okay Peter Shilton nice yeah Ryan Yeah. Ryan gigs? Yeah. Roderiggs? Oh, his brother. It's the third football you know. I think he played that a lower level. I can check it for you, but I'm a... Roderick's. No one was singing.

Roderick's. Oh dear. What was it? Oh, we'll let you have Roderick's right. Oh dear. What's your Rodgue? We'll let you have Roderick. Okay, that's three. Okay, okay. Beckham. Yes.

First name? David. Yeah. If you're going to go for his cousin Stephen. I had a run out for Well in, I think in 86. Played a charity game the other day. Okay David Beckham, let's think of all their little mates. Hang on, hang on.

Justin Fashon, John Fashon. Yes, two there. Do you love siblings? Absolutely. Good too, though, they're Justin and John Fashinue. Where have they come from? Why are two though there, Justin and John Fashioning. Okay. Where have they come from? Why are they the next thing that popped into my head? Okay, um, uh, Pele?

That's why the best game I've ever played. Yep, enjoying the Pele. What are we up to now? We've got the two gigs is the two fashion seven, okay. Um, okay. Okay. Okay. Brian Clough, did he play before he was a manager? Yes, he did, he'll give you that. Oh, real.

Yep. The guy who missed the goal in Garraff Southgate. Yes, he used to play, yeah. One more. One more. Peter Shilton was a strange first one as well. Well, he, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th. tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, th. Okay. Okay. Okay, th. Okay, th. Okay, th. Okay, th. Okay, th. Okay, th. Okay, th. Okay, th. Okay, th. Okay, tho, tho, tho, tha. Okay, tha. Okay, tha. Okay, tha. Okay, tha. Okay, tha. Okay, tha. Okay, tha. Okay, tha. Okay, tha. Okay, tha. Okay, tha. Okay, tha. Okay, One more. Peter Shilton was a strange first one as well. Well he came to my school, that's why I thought of here. Oh, okay. Neville. Someone Neville or Neville something. Neville. Neville. Neville. Neville. Neville. Yes.

Yes. I thought you was going for Gary or Phil Neville. Well, Gary and Phil Neville, were they in the 90s? I feel like they were around when I was at school. Yeah. Did they have red hair? No, that's Paul Scarls. Right, okay. And Nicky Bart. Yeah. Remember that. Brilliant. Good work. I've really enjoyed that. Me too. that. the book. What's your book called? Is he? We th. I. I. I. I th. I the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. they they they they they they they they were. they were. they were. they they they they were. they they were. they were. they. they were. they. they were. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. G. G. the. G. G. G. G. G. G. G. G. G. G. G. G. G. G. W. G. G. G. G. G. the. G. G. I the. G. G. th. th., though that. Ben Pello, after the fashion news. What's your book called, Izzy? It's called Jane is Trying, and there is no football in it. There's none. There's no sport, actually.

What's it about? What's it about a woman who is engaged to a guy who is cheating on her and when she finds out her parents like his scooper up and take her back to her hometown which is like Matlock but not Matlock. Okay. Is it biographical or is it? No it isn't biographical but I don't think you can help putting in little bits of people you know and stuff but yeah and her parents her parents are really overprotective and stuff and she's quite anxious person and then it's about her like trying to kind of get her life back together but lots of things happen to her. Brilliant. It's a great book, everyone go out and buy it.

All signed editions available on Waterstones if you signed one. How many did you sign this? A thousand. Was it the worst experience of your life? Well, I was supposed to go to the printers to do it, and then I just ended up being a little bit too busy. So they sent me all the pages, and I did it at home. And I thought it would take me about an hour, and it took shaking my hand, and I was was to shake, and it, done you've done a hundred like shaking like my wrist because like my arm got tired it was quite cool as well I'm signing mine at the moment they've sent me some in a box it takes forever and as I'm doing it my daughter has been

doing her autograph as well so I've got a big part of postic notes of her autograph and she keeps going I'm gonna to go and give them to everyone and I'm trying to say that's not really how it works you don't just you sort you have to be asked for it but I can't bring myself to tell her that and she went I'm doing them and she's there's enough for everyone in town. So what I'm going to do is I've collected all these little post it notes and they're their their their their th I their th I th I th I th I th I th and they're really cute. She's done a little girl's face and then a squiggle for her name and I'm gonna sneak into bookshops and put them in the books when the books out. Oh, that's lovely. So I'm saving them all up.

Yeah, that's real. I used to do that when I was younger, you know, I going to be famous. Here's my ultimate. Oh yeah it's true. Izzy, thank you so much. We, we, we, um, we're no time for Crosby's law. You've already, we've already done Crosby's law, I think. Have we asked Izzy's law before? Josh would quickly do that? What one thing, yeah, what one too awkward but were he to listen to this podcast finally?

He'd know. Oh God there's there's quite a lot to choose from. Most people normally go the other way and go oh well it's very difficult to come up with something but here's one thing. But you've... Do you know what I think I think I would do? Well he likes putting clothes away which is great that's like his thing. But he listens to his own podcasts really loudly when he's doing it. What once he's in? Yeah, only ones that he's in. What? No, not a listener. Yeah. He listens to him set or like ones he does with John Robbins or the sports bar. Yeah, the sports bar. That's, that's, that's that, and you can hear th, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, th, th, th, th, th, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, that, th, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th. He, th. He, that, that, that, that, that, he, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that, that, that, that, th. He listens to him set, so like ones he does with John Robbins or the sports bar. Yeah, sports bar. That's, that's, and you can hear him this, is he laughing?

Yes, very much so. Oh, my word, himself? Yeah. Oh, God. I can't be true. I mean, it's true. Really? Oh my gosh. Do the sport one or the Robbins one? You want more? Which one does he prefer the sport one or the Robins? Oh God, I don't know? I don't know. Okay. But he do both? Both. He does do both. And does he claim he's like listening back for like a quality control? I don't think so because they're already out. He's not like I listen to mine back to say like like their. Like their. Like my my my my their. Like my their. their. their. their their their their their their the situation. I don't think so because they're already out. He's not, like I listened to mine back to say like my own podcast I'll be like which you probably do as well like oh did I want to say that or whatever or did the guess what any? That ship sailed to be wrong. I have never listened back to any podcast I've ever done. I can't bear to I just assume it'll it'll be all right. It's hard. We haven't got got a to assume I to assume I to assume I to assume I just assumed I assume I assume I assume I assume I assume I assume I assume I assume I assume I assume I assume I assume I assume I assume I assume I assume I assume I assume I assume I assume I assume I assume I assume I assume I assume I assume I assume I assume I'm to assume I'm to assume. I assume I assume. I assume. I'm to. I assume I assume I'm to say. I assume I assume I assume I assume I to. I assume I to. I assume I assume I assume I assume I assume I assume. I assume I assume I assume. I assume. I assume. I assume. I assume. I assume. I assume. I assume I assume I assume I assume. I assume. I assume. I assume I assume. I assume I assume. I assume. I assume. I assume. I assume. I assume. I assume. I assume. I assume. I assume. I assume. I assume. I assume. I assume. I assume. I assume. I assume. I assume. I'm just assume. I'm just assume. I'm just assume. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. I'm. to. I'm. I just assume. I'm just assume. I just assume. I'm just assume. I'm just assume.'ll be all right. It's hard. We haven't got the guts to tell Rob this finished six months ago. I don't care. I don't, it's just nice to have a chat.

Yeah, I just like chatting to people. If it goes out, it goes out, that's a bonus. Ellis, James, cannot wait to bring this up when I see him. Now, if you ever, so if anyone ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever sees ever sees ever sees ever sees ever sees ever sees ever sees ever sees ever sees ever sees ever sees ever sees ever sees ever sees ever sees ever sees ever sees ever sees ever sees ever sees ever sees ever sees ever sees ever sees ever sees. out and about the headphones in, you can go up to me and go, oh, what podcast you listened to of yourself, Ellis? Yeah, if you put one of the headphones into your ear, you would hear Ellis' voice. Amazing. All right, oh, hopefully he listens, well, he won't listen back to this.

It might listen to the back ones, to the ones he's on,tied on. I think it's just his own stuff. Fair enough. Maybe he's listening back to see how he can improve and things like that. Yeah, yeah, it's but I don't think so. I think he just loves, he just loves, he just loves, loves it. Just makes him laugh. At least he's laughing at like, he's just, he's just, he's laughing at like, he. It is bad, but it could he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he. he's he's he. he. he's he. he. he's he. he's he's he. he's he's he's he's he's just. he's he's he. th. thi. he's just. he's just. he's just. he's just, he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's. he. he's he. he. he. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's he. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's just. He's th. He's listening. He's listening. He's listening. He's listening. He's listening. He's to. He's th. He's th mean obviously I'm not going to lie to it is bad, but it could be worse. But we're trying to find that if he did a podcast that was just him like Ellis James, Ellis James's thoughts, it was just him and then he was listening back to that and laughing. It would be, I mean, what is going to say. I can't say anything and bring it up with him is because I'm so grateful for him putting clothes away because I hate putting clothes away. Okay, so you don't want to stop that?

Yes. And it feels like that is one of the conditions. Yeah. Okay. I'm trying. Izzy. Thank you so much. Jay. Isie.

It's out now. Thanks, Izzy. Thank you. Izzy City. I love Izzy City. She's brilliant. I'm just going to say it. The updates from their house are always astonishing. Whoever they come from, I can't wait to interview Betty in the years to come. I want to interview the nanny. I want to interview the nanny that they use a lot for child care. It's not a nanny is it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it's just the local the local the local the local the local, I the local, I the the local, I the the the the the the the the the the the to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to th, I th, I th, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thirty, I thirty, I thirty, thea, thea, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, thirty, thirty, thi, thi, th babysitter that they use a lot for child care. It's not a nanny, is it? It's just the local babysitter. But I want to interview her, I would love to see a reality TV show, you know, the same as they do with like Firmican and the Billy Fares, you know, and all those sort of, you know, I-TVe, the TV reality shows. I want to see one of Is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is a, is, is a, is, is a, is a, is, a, a, a, a. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. part. I would never have had Ellis James Down as a self-listener.

No. And a laugher. And a self-lafer. That is an astonishing revelation. Have you ever listened back or seen yourself do something and laughed and then felt instantly great. I've never listened to myself back or watch myself back but the other day there was an advert for Robin Romish versus we did like gymnastics and I'm dressed like a absolute moron doing a cartwheel and I did laugh and even then I felt sick. But I think that's a physical thing if it was just something you'd said yeah something you've said is the thing you shouldn't be laughing at. He'll never let his or I'll let it down that he's a self-lather. He's a self-lafer. Rodgery Giggs as well. That was a curveball.

Rodergyggs! Still best best advert of all time is that Paddy Power One. Have you said it? Yeah, loved it. Yeah, loved it. If you want to buy Izzy's excellent novel, it's called Jane is Trying and it. to say all good bookshops? That's that's that's that's that's that's them, are we? No. You can either get it from, get it from Waterstones or a local bookshop. Probably not, probably not. You probably will. But yeah, but I've literally just bought some pretzels off Amazon because my kid shouted at me and I was next to my phone. They're coming, they're coming today. It's too easy. Anyway, wherever you get it from, just buy the book. It's a good book.

She's brilliant, easy. And yeah, we'll speak to you next week. See them, bye. Bye.