Parenting Hell with Rob Beckett and Josh Widdicombe - S04 EP12: Jermaine Jenas

Episode Date: March 4, 2022

S04 EP12: Jermaine JenasJoining us this episode to discuss the highs and lows of parenting (and life) is the brilliant presenter, football pundit, and retired professional footballer - Jermaine Jenas. And yes you heard it right, we are very excited to announce even more Parenting Hell Live shows!! On top two the already announced Manchester Arena (Friday 14th April) and London 02 (Friday 21st April) - tickets are now on general sale but going fast!! We're also doing the following shows;19th April 2023 - Nottingham20th April 2023 - Cardiff 23rd April 20223 - Wembley Tickets are available to the general public today (Friday 4th March) at 10amTo sign up to the mailing list if you haven't already just cut and paste this into your browser:parentinghellpodcast.mailchimpsites.com Thanks - Rob and Josh xxxIf you want to get in touch with the show here's how:EMAIL: [e-mail]: @parenting_hellINSTAGRAM: @parentinghellA 'Keep It Light Media' Production Sales, advertising, and general enquiries: [e-mail] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Nisprasso. Discover a world of possibilities with or without milk. Visit Nisproso.C.A. to learn more or a Nesproso boutique near you. Hello, I'm Rob Beckett. And I'm Josh Winnockham. Welcome to Parenting Hell, the show in which Josh and I discuss what it's really like to be a parent, which I would say can be a little tricky. So, to make ourselves and hopefully you feel better about the trials and tribulations of modern-day parenting, each week we'll be chatting to a famous parent about how they're coping. Or hopefully how they're not coping. And we'll also be hearing from you the listener with your tips, advice, and of course,

tales of parenting woe. Because let's be honest, there are plenty of times where none of us know what we're doing. Hello you're listening to Parenting Hell with... Can you say Rob Beckett? And can you say Josh Widdickam? And can you say this is lockdown parenting help? And can you say this is lockdown parenting help? This is lockdown parenting help. This is lockdown parenting help. Very good.

There we go. It's not lockdown anymore but fair enough. Hi guys. My husband and I love the the pod. We listen separately though, which can be annoying when he tells me all about what you've said in an episode that I've already listened to. This is Polly. She's three and very bossy during lockdown when she was only two and I happen to say under my breath, this is a fucking nightmare. She replied, no, mummy, it's not a fucking nightmare, it's fucking hell. Wow.

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But it's a fucking baby, Rob. It's a way faster than him. Yes. I can't catch him up. How old is he? Ten months? My kids were walking at nine months, both. I can't believe how insane that was. That is mad, isn't it? He's got his eyes on walking though. He's got to, because it was my kids and I didn't realize, and I didn't realize, it was a year, isn't it? they walk, on average, or a bit later. But that's mental. I've got to start to talk. I just just just just just just just just just just just just just just. I just just. I just just just. I just. I just just. I just. I just just just. I just. I just just. I just. I just. I just th. I just that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's mental. I just. I just, I just that's just, I just, I just, I just that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. that's. I'm. that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's mental. that's mental. that's mental. I's mental. I've just mental. I've just, I've just, I've just, I just, I just that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that start to talk at some point soon. When do they start to talk? We should know, shouldn't we? God it all blends in doesn't it? You know what? Don't worry about it. When they do you'll know the good thing about calling Rob. And you know my problems with, is knackering him out. He's tired in their. He's fucked. He's absolutely fucked. Really? He's absolutely fucked. So he's absolutely f- He's f. the the the f. th fu fu fu fu fu fu fu fu fu fu fu fu fu fu fu. So. So. So. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. Don't. Don't. Don't. Don't th. Don't th. Don't th. Don't th. Don't. Don't. Don't. Don't. Don't. Don't. Don't. Don't. Don't. Don't. Don't. Don't. Don't. Don't. Don't. Don't. Don't. Don't. Don't. Don't. Don't. Don't. Don't. Don't. Don't. Don't. Don't. Don't. Don't. Don't. Don't. Don't. Don't. Don't. Don't. Don't. Don't. Don't. Don't. Don't. th. th. th. th. tho. tho. th. th. th. th. tho. th. th. tho. th. th. Don't. Don't. Don't. Don't. Don't. Don't. Don't's sleeping well. He's 7 a.m. 3 days in a row Rob. Oh my God. So it goes a bed

about 9 and wakes up at 7 a.m. Goes to about at a quarter past 6. Till 7. 13 hours. 13 hours of it. That can't be. I can't believe it. He will get it. It's not going to last obviously because he'll get used to crawling. But this is a glory period Rob. So yeah. you a hotel as well so now is are you saying to Rose well it's easy for you because she's sleeping so long no I'm not saying that Rob and don't put those words in my head do not put those words do not well actually Rose you're getting more sleep at home because the children are sleeping so long that I am because you know I struggle to sleep because of my stiff neck in hotel rooms. It's not even a stiff neck I've to the the I I I I'm the the the can't do it I'm on the CBD oil I'm on the valerian herbal tea double bagging the valerian herbal tea and I'm just lying there just lying

that unable to sleep it's a nightmare it's a living nightmare you own hotels a lot work how many how much how much sleep you get in a night then? About four or five hours. Right. I just can't sleep in a hotel. What is it? Why do you feel vulnerable? No, it's not even though I feel vulnerable and horny? No, I don't. Don't put that in my head.

I don't need that extra worry. Do you feel vulnerable and horny? No, I don't feel vulnerable and I'm not going to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able the problem is I'm just in the hotel and I just think oh I'm not gonna be able to sleep and once I've thought that it's fucking game over. So that's basically it's sort of stage rights in your own head you've I'm nervous when I go to bed and I'm more nervous for the sleep than the gig that is that is really that's I don't I don't know that's that's that's that's that's that's that's the that's that's that's the that's that's that's the that's that's the the that's that's the that's the that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's the that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's th th th th th the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the know how you fucking sort that out that's pencil I'm getting to bed right this is it come on then let's do this let's go to sleep and I'm like by the time I'm doing that it's fucking over mate what about okay have you tried having a bath or a shower before bed no just that wakes you up

doesn't it no I found it changes my state so if I'm in that the state so if I'm in that state of all like sweating, like done the game. You can see this, I've got a bath in my room, literally, look at that. Have a little bath in there? Yeah. And what I would do is don't get too hot. What I would do is have a bath and then I have a shower to actually wash. You don't really wash in a bath, and then you want to get in cozy and warm in bed and you feel all clean It's all fresh sheets so you want to I can't get in fresh sheets about being having a shower Only person who has ever said you're struggling to sleep you need to have a cold shower

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R-ah! That kind of cat noise. It sounds a bit like foxes banging, don't it? Yeah, it sounds like foxes banging. And I'm like, oh my god, what's going on here? Yeah. Creep out of the bedroom. So what you're wearing? What I'm wearing? Just a kind neg negligee really like just a kind of silky little like yeah strappy but yeah yeah is it just pants it just pants the ass cut out as

well so it's sexy right just little two little buttons you can undo it to flaps back I've an over yeah yeah yeah exactly yeah yeah exactly yeah yeah but what you want to set the same right you think that you think that they could be a bu I'm in my pants I have I'm in my pants have you have you the th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th the the the the the the the the the the the the th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th the the the the to to to to to to to to to to to to to the to the the the the the the the the the the the that you think there could be a burn in the pants. I'm in my pants. Have you got a weapon? Oh too bloody right out right right? Thanks for asking. So have you got anything in case it's in true? No, no, no. So I creep out the room and then pegging it down the stairs from upstairs comes a cat that isn't ours. One a.m. How many cats do you got? You've got two? Two. And I'll cat to both black and a ginger cat runs past me. Runs fast! Runs fast! Yeah, up the stairs!

Down the stairs, leaving. You're leaving? Okay, that's good. I know the cat, I know his name, it's called Logan. He's a lovely cat. And he lives two doors down, and flies past, leaves straight out the house, and I'm like, how the fuck has he got in? Yeah, right? So as he's gone out of the house and I'm like, how the fuck has he got in? Yeah. So as he's gone out the cat flap. Gone out the cat flap. Anyway, our cat flap is broken.

We've got one of those chip cats, you know the cat flaps that it's broken. It's broken, it's an open house for all the cats. Free house, it's a house pipe. It's a free house for all the cat's a the cat's a cat's a come down and I've gone, have the cats pissed in it? I think it's a, I think his neighbor cats have been pissing in our kitchen. Yeah, so this happened to us, ours did that and then that other cat kept him coming in in, it was either shitting in our house or it was scaring Alan so he wouldn't go outside and was shitting in the house. Yeah, well they and intimidating our cats. We can't do anything about it. We can change your cat flap.

Yeah, well, we can do something about it. We can change our cat flat. All the way. We haven't done anything about it. That's all the cats. So they're all right, but I don't know what happened. I don't know what happened. They're all right, but I don't don't I don't they they they they they they they they they they they they they to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to their. their. their. their their to. to. to. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. too. too. too. And I couldn't get back to sleep for an hour and a half. It's like being in a hotel.

Classic Josh, just going to go back to sleep. That's your catchphrase. Yeah, I couldn't get back to sleep. So that's come not weak. Are you back home soon? I'm in Edinburgh. Recording this. our train journey tomorrow Rob. I'll let you know how that guys. Brutal. I'm delighted, I can't wait. Sounds shit.

I'm not flying. No it doesn't. I've had to fly to him, Vinesse, Rob. You know, like an old person? You know an old person that doesn't like flying anymore? Or like, does it, Rob, you got to the airport. We walked to the air air air air air air air air air air air air air air air the airport the airport the airport the like that kind of big tube thing that you walked down to get to the plane? Got to the plane and they were like turn around there's a technical fault, go back and wait more And then you can see them fucking fixing the engine of the plane and you're like I don't know about this Well, you rather than fix it and leave it when you well that's what I thought. Yeah, I that's what I that's what I that's what I that's what I that's what I that's what I they they they that's they they they that's they're that's that's that's they're that's that's that's that's what I that's what I that's that's that's that's that's that's they're they're that's that's that's that I that I that I that I that's I that's I that's I that's I th. th. their I their I th. their I their I they they they they they they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're th. I'm th. I'm th are that's that. I'm that. I'm that. I'm that. I that. I that. I thoe. I that. I the. I they're like they're they fixed it, but Stella you're not, you're not, I didn't not enjoy that. I mean that was London to Invenes. Yeah.

Oh, I think it's our message about your Invenes show. Here we go. Um, refund is a subject. Oh, no, I'm joking. Oh, here we go. Hi, Robin Josh. I'm currently sitting in the audience of you both. Yeah, I'm up there later in the year. I'm three days overdue of our second baby, so this ticket was a last-minute tree. I'm now 32 and have held a grudge for the majority of my life.

In primary one or two, age fivebling all over multiple pages of my work. This was no random attack. I was targeted. The girls in question were soon found out, not being masterminds to cover up at this age and were made to apologize, but having then grown up together in a small community, I have never managed to accept this apology or forgive. To my shame, when we were around 20, I informally gave one of them a very bad reference when they applied for a job and a shot, which I worked in. I maintained she would not have been a good addition to the team.

Great Grudge. Thanks for a splendid podcast, Robin, Mumter, Thorfin, age two, and impending new baby. Good up the grudge. Grodg. Thank, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, tho, tho, tho, tho, tha, tha, tho, thoom thoom thoom, tho, tho, tho, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, tha. tha. tha. tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, thaugh, tha, thaugh, tha, tha, thaugh, tha, tha, thaugh, tha, tha, tha, tha Thorfin, age 2 and impending new baby. Good up the baby. Well done with the grudge. Congratulations. Thank you. She must have enjoyed a show.

That was pre-show, that email. Pre-show, she hasn't emailed afterwards to say. Oh, so I enjoyed the show. She might be having the baby. Yes, she might be having the guest, Rob, we should say on the subject of live comedy. Oh yes! Today is the day! Three more live dates have gone on sale. Now, go online if it's after 10 a.m. and if you want to see Parenting Hell Live, we are at Nottingham Motor Point Arena on the 19th of April next year. The day after, we're at Cardiff Motapoint Arena, 20th of April, and then on 23rd, Sunday the 23rd, we're at London OVO Arena, Wembley Arena. Yes, you can get

your tickets there. Get your tickets now! Because people were saying, you know, we're only doing Manchester in the O2, so now we've changed things a bit. Nottingham, Cardiff and Wemley, but yeah, can't wait for it, Joshua, Joshua, Joshua, Joshua, Joshua, Joshua, Joshua, Joshua, Joshua, Joshua, Joshua, Joshua, Joshua, Joshua, Joshua, Joshua, Joshua, Joshua, Joshua, Joshua, Joshua, Joshua, Joshua, Joshua, Joshua, Joshua, Joshua, Joshua, Joshua, Joshua, Joshua, Joshua, Joshua, Joshua, Joshua, Joshua, Joshua, th for it, th for it, th, th, th, th, th, th, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, the, the the the the the the the the the the the the the today, the the the to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, 't wait for it, Joshua. Right, should we introduce our guest? The wonderful, Germain Genus, ex-Tottenum, X Nottingham, Forrest, ex-Newcastle, current one-show host, match of the day, he come it. He's making a real sidestep to like just general TV. It's a great kind of post-foot-fo-f Janas has sorted out for himself. Lovely bloke, thoroughly enjoyable interview. This is Jermain Jenas. I'm not going back to university to be your friend. I'm going so I can get Uber 1 for students. It

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The one show, the morning show you. Yeah. Just doing what I can just to get out of the house, personally. I've got a 14-year-old. I've got a six-year-old and a five-year-old. to-A-five-year-old. th-old. I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I've, I've, I've, I've-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-old, I've, I've-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-s, the-a-s, the-s, the-s, the-s, the-s, the-s, the-s, the-old, the-old, the-old, the-old, the-old, the-old, the-old, the-old, the-old, the-old, the-s, the-s, the-s, the-s, the-s, the-s, the-s-s-s-s-s-s-s-s-s-s-s-s-sho-sha-s. The-s. the baby. So yeah, really nicely spaced out. Every four or five years you go, do you know what? Why not? Let's go again.

Actually, I don't want to sleep anymore from it. I'll get in trouble for that. She's five. She's six this year. Yeah, the third girl. Three girls and a boy. How is it being back at five months? Scary, but also quite nice. In a weird way out of all the kids, this is the baby that I was actually prepared for and ready for and probably mature enough to handle and understand everything. Whereas, you know, when I'm a 14, now 14 year old, I mean, I was, you know, a 20 year old

playing Premier League football, playing for England, and you think you can just solve everything with money. You're not actually, you're nowhere near ready to be having a child. My 14 year old with my ex. Yeah. So we, we, um. Do they still live in the States? Is that right? Yeah, yeah, so they live in America. Correct. Correct. Correct. Correct. Correct. Correct. Correct. Correct. Correct. Correct. Correct. Correct. Correct. Correct. Correct. Correct. Correct. Correct. Correct. Correct. Correct. Correct. Correct. Correct. Correct. Correct. Correct. Correct. Correct. Correct. Correct. Correct. Correct. Correct. Correct. Correct. Correct. Correct. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. Now. the States, is that right? Yeah, yeah, so they live in America, correct, yeah, so she lives in America now and she comes over during the summer periods and Christmas and stuff like that. But you, you know, at those periods during my life, I was just like, well, I've got a kid, what do I do? But then most kids, my age would panic. And I went, well, you know, this particular point in my life, I've got plenty of th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the th. th. th. th. the th. th. the th. th. the th. the th. their thi, their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, th.. And, th. their, th. th. th. th. th. their. their. their. their. their. their their their their, their, their, their, in my life, I've got plenty of money, I've got a house. All of the things you worry about. Yeah, yeah.

I had, naturally, but the one thing I didn't have was the kind of that maturity, that patience, that understanding. So I just kind of built things around me, like I've got a mom to quit work, a sister came with me, my sister came to live with me, my sister live with me, I just had a house just full of people just to help the scenario rather than being a parent, you know. That's interesting. When did you kind of realize that that's what you've done? Not until I would say, only about five, six years ago, you know, when you're, I don't

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Oh yes. I know, I've owned about a'll talk about it I actually felt really bad in the end. Basically I bought a backpack and they ordered it online for me in the shop and then I have to go back to the shop to get a refund and I was like can't they just free refund my card. I moaned about it. I've had five phone calls from all the different people from Blacks. They wanted to send me a backpack. No I'll just explain. I'll just their their their their their their their their their their their. I'm no I'll just I'll just I'll just their. I'll just their. I'll just they're just they're just they're just they're just they're just they're just they're just say I'll just say I'll just they're they're just say I'll just say I'm they're they're they they they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're not. I'm just. I'm just. I'm just like. I'm just like. I'm just like. I'm just like. I'm just like. I'm just like. I'll just like. I'll just like. I'm just like. I'm just like. I'll just like. I'm just. I'm just like. I'm just. I'm just. I'm.'s my fucking life that I'm talking about a complaint with a mountaineering shop? But anyway. That is quite funny because, you know, when you're talking about like products and stuff like that, you know, you just heard me briefly before we came on to talk on the pod about this baby chair that I'm trying to currently put up in the room. And that's why I was late getting to the pod the product, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, their, their, their, their, that, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, to, to, thi, to, to, to thi, to to thi, thi, to thi, thi, to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to thi, thi, thi, thi, thin, thin, their, their, thin, thin, their, to, they. toooooooooooooooooo. their, too. thin, too, thin right that goes right next to the kitchen table apparently your child can like grow as they grow they grow

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levels a lot, because where I grew up, it was a lot of kind of like walls mentally in terms of this is where you grow up, you know, you work there or you can go and work for the council or you can get yourself a flat, I remember people having conversations and celebrated the fact that they got a council flat. And it was like, God, I need to go back here and just try and open people's minds up and stuff. So I started kind of like in my local, where I grew up Clifton, then I started going into schools and doing these talks,

but I'd go to a school and I'd go into schools and I'd to come to a classroom and have a chat with a kids and the school go, oh we've got a better idea and I'd go in and it'd be a whole assembly of the whole school when you'd be like shit, this is sink or swim time. And I'm sure you've both been there as comedians and stuff as well when you kind of just got to just fucking go it. Yeah, thi. they. th. th. th. th. th. th. thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin' thin' thinks, their, thinks, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their their their their their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their their their their their their their their their their, their their their, their their, their, their their their, thea, thea, to, to, to, to, tooooo, toooo, thea, thea, thea, the school, their just you can't sit there and crumble. I wouldn't fancy an assembly. I wouldn't fancy assembly. This is the thing like kids are so honest that literally one will just fall asleep like literally just lay down on his friend and go to sleep. Someone will start heckling I had this kid one time I did one in London and this kid was like and usually the questions are like, how much money have you got? This that and the other, and this kid stood up and he's gone.

I've got a question, Germain, is that your car parked outside? And I was like, yeah, yeah, but you know, you've got to work hard to get it. He went, no, no, no, you've left your lights on. And so you always get that, that, you, that, the smart, the smart, the smart, the smart, to, to, which I'm sure you two probably were those kids actually. Now I just sort of the quiet one in the corner, making notes. A lot of what I do stems from that. A lot of what I do stemmed from that weird, it's like practice.

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I've got to be careful because I miss the walking around now. You panic. I could lie here I'm doing it all which you're going to be your door's gonna fly open and go ah no look so I'll do kind of like school runs because he kind of fits into my day. So like most mornings I'll get off, whatever, they have breakfast, taking to school. But then I'll go and do the one show Monday to Wednesday. So by like 2.30, I'm kind of gone. Yeah, I'm not doing pickups, I'm not doing bath times and so on. But which is, which is, which is, which is, which is, which is, which is, which is, which is, the the the the th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, they. they. thi, they. thi, I'll, I'll, they. they. they. they. they. their, their, their, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I. they. they. they. they. I. they. I. the they. I. I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, thi. threatha. threatha. threathoms. th th th th th threats. th th th threats. th they. th threatha. their. their in terms of the way that I get the mornings of

them and I get to go to work and also good in a way that come Thursday. I'm like you really like you're craving them again if you know what I mean. I'm like I want to do that and I want to do that and they miss you. So I would say it's a good 70 30 square. We're not going to push you on a number here because it's this could ruin the next couple of weeks. A lot of people listen to this germane. Should we tell it should be fearing it from people with other shops here apparently 70% he reckons in her favor in her favor oh yeah of course have you got a video montage of your best parenting moments that you can definitely not. Definitely not. What what's it like for you lot? I wouldn't say that? A to to to to th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th to th to tho tho tho tho th th th th th th th th th th th a lot a lot a lot a lot a lot a lot a lot a lot a lot a lot a lot a lot a lot a lot a lot a lot a lot a lot a lot a lot a lot a lot a lot a lot a lot a lot a lot a lot a lot a lot of th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th tho tho tho tho tho tho tho to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to tho to to to tho to tho tho thoo think of. Definitely not. Definitely not. Look, you know, I don't, what's it like for you lot?

I wouldn't say that's a million miles from my experience in terms of, I wouldn't want to, I wouldn't want to publicly put a number on it, Jermain. Well, I'd say, you know, it's hard to do it on an aggregate because the diary changes so much, but I I definitely say I'd probably get I'd say 70 30s a fair representation but then you know it does shift the other way like in half terms and stuff if I'm not working as much but but going to work yeah holidays and stuff like that you know holidays like me like I'm a morning person so like yes I'll get up getting ready getting down to the pool things to the beach and I'm like get come down when you want, you know, that balances things out. We might have been moving to a 60-40 situation.

Well, someone's getting confident here. So in lockdown, your daughter in America, did you not see her for ages then? Was it a massive... You know what was weird? We didn't see her for a period of time. So the first lockdown in March, I'm talking about here, the very first one, no. But she wasn't due to come over then anyway. But we managed to get her over that summer. Oh, Britain. Oh, that's good. There was some special kind of like, like, things put in place for situations exactly

like that by each government to still allow kind of children to see parents and so on and so on and so on and so forth, four family members in certain circumstances. So she, yeah, so she came over during that period and just was in the house doing whatever. But then in the, in the, I think in the second one, towards summer, she ended up not being able to go back. So it worked out better. Yeah, the end up staying for about four or five months in the end. Oh brilliant, which was great. Yeah, I mean she is like...

Is she American? Like how long has she been there? Oh, so she's been there since she was five. So she's a proper American kid then? Oh my God, literally. It's a war. I mean, I've already spoke about like accents and bath and then my my 14 year old will come in and she go oh daddy can I have a popsicle and I'll just look at her like what is a popsicle and I'm gonna it got to the point

right I just stopped answering her so she'd like walk in the kitchen like daddy can have some soda and I'll just I just blank her and then eventually she gets the gist of it and she goes, oh daddy can I have a lemonade and I go yeah go to the bridge and have lemonade like and so you start speaking to me in English I'm not talking to you. You know all of the friends are American. She goes to American school every single day you know it's inevitable. Yeah calls. So they any good at sport your kids like you might so my eldest is in thing she is like and so is she a going to play to play to play to play to play to play to play to play to play to play to play to play to play to play to play to play to play to play to play to play to play to play to play to play to play to play to play to play to play to to to the the the to to to to to to to to to the to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the to to. to. to. I. She is like. And so is she going to play for America or England? You know what? You're the sense of sportsmen and women Josh. I love it. How long

can he wait until he finds out because it's going to be a next athlete. But I'm not really here for the parenting. I'll let you in a secret after you Jim we're interviewing Kate Lawler. I'm going to be on Big Big Brother three minutes in. That's how it's, that's how it works with me. I'll be honest, she, she, um, she likes, she prefers England. She o'clock, she'll say to me now like when I go to university that I don't want to come back to England and go to university in England and stuff like that. And you're like there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's a there's a there's a there's a thi's a thirty thirty thirty thirty to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be nice. I'll to be nice. I'll to be nice. I'll to be to be to be to be to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to be. I I I I to be nice. I to be nice. I'll to be nice. I'll to be nice. I'll to be nice. I'll to be nice. I'll to be nice. I'll to be nice. I'll to be nice. I'll to be nice. I'll the the the the the the thean. I'll to to to to to to to to to to to to there's a problem with the fees on that. If you could do it in America. Let's get you a scholarship and you can, you know, slot you in nicely. But I mean, I've even got like, so my mom, my dad moved to America when I was like 11 years old and he remarried and had two more daughters and my youngest, she's a footballer, she was playing for like Helsinki in the Champions League. So it is your, your, you you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you're, you're, you're, you're, th, th, th, th, thi, th, you're, you're, thi, th. And, you're, you're, you're, you to to to to, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, th, you, you, th, th, th, th, th, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, like, th. And, like, like, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, as well. She was playing for like Helsinki and the Champions League. So your sister, so your dad's youngest daughter?

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And you'd end up like traveling around his area looking for him and you just always find him on the street playing football he did like stayed at his nann's house or a mate's house and he always had his boots get him in the car go and play the game and then he'd either come and chill with me for the day or whatever and then you drop him back later it was crazy but at that particular time if you think about what he's doing every single minute of the day, all he's doing is playing football. It was his only escapism and it was similar for me. Whereas like with my kids, it's like, you know, probably some iPads and flipping this and that and you know, anything they want basically, you know, that going out in the rain and practicing and honing in your football skills, my kids look outside they go,

it's raining for days. I'll get the iPad out. All I try to do is try to like instill as much of myself in them as I possibly can. So, you know, whether that, I think the hard work is a big thing for me and it's part of the reason I work so hard because I want my kids to visually see that what they have, it's not come just from me playing football. It's not common just because our dad played football at a period of time and we've got a nice house. It's like, no, my dad's all day ever at home.

And when they complain about why aren't you at home or why don't you this? I'm like because if you, you want these nice things. I'm working. This is the work ethic that I want you to see is necessary for you to achieve anything in life. I try and have these competitive things going on in the house whether it's educational or whether it's sport, you know, really celebrating when they've been successful. My five-year-old came on the the other day with a certificate, go, Daddy I've got 20 blue stars and I was like, put it up on the wall, like we celebrate it. But then, you know, I'll get another phone call from the teacher going, oh, Olivia,

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And all I can do is think about those moments about what I did in those times and trying to deliver it to them in a way that it's not, it's not about football, it's about life and doing it in a kid-friendly way. So, you know, like yesterday or whatever it is, or when was it, Tuesday, my daughter had this kind of like drama recital thing that you had to go to. So she's done this, I don't know, you don't know these terms better than me. Is it called a jewel, like a jewel where two people are doing a scene together and it's in front front front the the the the the the the tho, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like a the the th. th. th. th. th. tho, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, is a, th. And, is a, is a, is a, is a th. And, is it's, is it's, is it's, like, like, like official like adjudicator in the Watford area and they've got this whole monologue going off but then the guy I know it's pretty serious but then the the the the five-year-old no this is the nine-year-old I was gonna say fucking

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that she has and anxieties that she has in her life. Yeah, by freeing her up and I know what's thrown thrown that's that's that's going that's going that's going thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thrown thrown their thrown thrown thrown thrown. And I's going thrown. And I's to thrown. And I'm their up. And I'm that's that's that a bit of confidence because she's scared of everything. So I'm like, right, let's get this kid some confidence by winning basically by achieving something and I mean like coming second or even coming third and getting a certificate. You know, not like being number one all the time, but then I'm building layers in her to kind of like go, oh I actually am quite good and I am quite this. And then that's what the other day the other day the other day the other day the other day the other the other the other the other the other the other the other the other the other the other the other the other the other the other the other the other the other the other the other the other th. th. tho to be number to be number number number to be number number number number number one. to be number. to be number number number number number number number. to be number number. to be number. to be number number. to be number. to be number. to be number number. to be number. to be number. to be number. to be number. to be number. to be number. to be number. to be. the other. the other. the other. the other. the other. the other. the other. the other. the other. the other. the other. the other. the other. the other. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. oh, I actually am quite good and I am quite this. And then that's what the other day was really. She had a really kind of like Eureka moment where it was like,

wow, I've got, I'm feel confident. I can see this, yeah. Yeah. She walks around the house different. In your own childhood, is like, what were you like as a kid? Did you have this inbuilt confidence in the drive or did you find it? That's exactly what I was. I was almost like her. I was very shy. You know, I was raised by my mom really and my older sister. But my dad instilled some things in me which were very much like what I'm doing now, which was quite cold-hearted. You have a good enough or you're not.

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playing at a level that I wanted to play because my body won't allow me to do it. I wasn't playing at the football club that I wanted to play at to play it. I to do it. I to do it. I to do it. I was to do it. I was playing. I was playing. I wasn't the football. I wasn't to do it. I wasn't to do it. I wasn't to do it. I wasn't playing. I wasn't playing. I wasn't playing. I wasn't playing. I wasn't playing the football. I wasn't playing. I wasn't playing the football the football the football. I wasn't playing the football. I wasn't playing it was playing it. I wasn't playing it. I wasn't playing it. I wasn't playing it. I wasn't the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the to do it. I wasn't to do it. I wasn't to do it. I wasn't to do to do to do the the to do the football. I wasn't the to do to do the to do the the the to do the the the the the the the the thooooooooes. I wasn't the the the the the the the the the the the the to play out, I had accepted the end basically and it was it was depressing and then the feeling of anxiety you have when you're going on to a football pitch knowing your body's not going to make it is horrible and you know and that that then plays its own kind of part in the injuries as well because you're so uptight and you're so anxious thinking please body survive, please body survive, but you inevitably too tense and tear a muscle. So the last 10% of it was horrible but the most of it like even weird things now and I don't want any jokes again please Rob but one of the people say to me about like tell me some things that you miss

about football I like I even miss losing games of football. I the football the football the football the football the football the football the football the football. I the football. I the football. I the football. I the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. I th. I th. I te te te. I te. I te. I te. I te. I te. I te. I te. I te. inevitably inevitably inevitably te. I te. inevitably. I te. I te. inevitably. I te. I te. I te. I te. I te. I te. I te. I te. I te. I te. I te. I te. I te. I te. I te. I te. I te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. tell me some things that you miss about football. I like I even miss losing, right? I even miss losing games of football because losing a game of football is to come home and I'd be so pissed off and I'd sit in the house and then the drive it would give you on the Monday morning to turn up to training and be like that's not happening again this weekend. I'm not having that and you'd go into a dressing to a to address to address to address to address to address to address to address to address to address to address to address the dressing again again again again again to address to address the dressing again again again again again again again again again again again again againthis weekend. I'm not having that and you'd go into a dressing environment that had a similar mentality that was like let's work hard this week and let's get at it and then you'd get the result at the end of that week and be like that was amazing. So it's you know and then you have the flip side to that where you're winning winning winning become complacent but I always

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I'm not gonna lie, but what? How do you feel about your, I mean, you're not there, I mean, obviously your daughter's 14 in America, but you're not there when she's going to tell you the time you can't wait that on Zoom, isn't it? Bye dad. Slam that short deal with that. So what, right? She turned up this summer with a boyfriend the first time. Oh my wow.

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I'm just thinking, fucking Noah. Let me see him. Yeah. So she comes over and we have a little chat. And I'm like, it's what, he's, he's, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I've, I, I, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I, I've, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I've got, I've got, I've got, I've got, I've got, I've got, I've got, I've got, got, got, got, got, got, got, got, th... th. th. th. th. th. th. tho, I've got, I've got, I've got, I've got, I'm like, so what's going on with Noah then? She's like, oh no, like, he's not like the best looking but we get on really well and he's got a great personality and I was like, oh God, Noah, my lis is really like, I was like, God, you're so sweet, it's poor Noah, like you're starting to melt her little bit here.

But then I'm like I'll I'll be honest I checked my daughter's phone I don't people can have their own opinions like I keep an eye on my kids online like that's that's what's going on so I don't but I didn't look at the messages I just looked I picked up the phone and she had 40 WhatsApp and I was like I said to her you know you you know you got 40 messages here she went I know I that he's annoying me, like it won't stop messaging me, and I thought, I'll take that. They'll be getting in my time. So by the time she got home, they were done. They'd be done.

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different thing to sort of keep quiet for a bit and let it let it play out yeah patience yeah patience definitely oh that thi their the the the their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their the. the. their the. their their their the. th. their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their th. th. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. their though, it's characters and what they're like. My eldest is cold. She's got a like, it might come down to her upbringing. You know, me and her mom speak up when she was one year old. She's gone between the two of us for a period of time. So she understands almost relationships because she's grown up with separate parents. She's had the heartbreak of kind of when she goes back to America and she has to get taken away from me. The kids just developed this like strength, you know,

and I see it in her because I had the same thing when my dad left where he'd go to America and I'd be like in tears and that year two came and I was in tears, year three. By year four, I was like, see later that dad. I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, th, th, th, th, th, th, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. that, th. that, that, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th, th, th, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the, the. thr. thr. thrown, thrown, theeeeeeee. theeeeeeeeeeee. thee. the. the. the later that. I'll see you. I see when you're back. And that's what she's getting to that point now, where she's just solid. So like, I've got no concerns for her in terms of, she's had a tough kind of start. So she's gonna be all right. It's only one question we sort of end on,

which may or may not want to answer, how your wife takes a 70, 30, 60, 40 split. But if there's one, it's basically, is there one thing that your partner does, parenting wise, annoys you a little bit and you clash over? But she, you know, if she listened to this now, she'd go, okay, fair point. But the other question is, do you regret signing for spurs? And the other question. the, and I did say to him, why didn't you buy me? Because there was a time when he was going to buy me. What did he say? He said I should have bought you when he was at Forrest, but he said not, you know, in the

end we had some good midfielders. I went, yeah, to be fair. Fab the constant kind of like the money coddling situation. The you know a little bit too soft. Way too soft. Way too soft. But you're quite harsh. Do you not think it's a good to have that and then you find a happy medium together? I think that's probably why it works. If I'm totally on through the art. You know I am very much get out go and roll around in the mud go and explore and jump down slides and be rough and ready and whatever. And she is just too soft in my opinion. That's the one thing really that slightly annoys me like kids getting carried down stairs.

I mean come on like what is going on in the world? Like, what are they're queens and princesses? What age is too old to be carried down a stair-up? It's three months old? Should they be calling down in the road? B r r r r r r r r rum. B, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, they be calling down in their own? Rolling down, boom, boom, boom. Hey, you got a toughen them up? Yeah. Oh, no age. Thank you so much.

Thank you so much. It's been great. It's been great. It's been great. It's been absolute joy. most expensive teenager in the world at that point, Rob. I loved it when I asked him. Football wise. And I was like, well, was that right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, and then he explained the two above him, the prices and the clubs, he knew.

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And then there'd be notryl and I'd enjoyed. Yeah. And for that, Rob, that's why Jemain Jena hosts the One Show and I can't get on BBC One for love no money, mate. Don't you, you did, who do you think you are? Only because of King Amer really 8th. I did do you think, I've done the bloody wheel. You've done the wheeled. Oh, you've done the walthty- I've done blank blank blank blank blank blankthe third most used comedian on BBC One behind Bradley Walsh and Michael McIntyre? He's being bashful. But no, it's so interesting I was hearing that about how intense it is. And it was really open as well at beginning about being too young, having a kid and these daughters. It's lovely he's got different world though athletes. So I ever think for him is sort of like a focused plan of attack sort of tactic isn't it?

Yeah, totally. I don't think I've ever thought, I don't really think big game with the parenting. Do you know what I mean? I very much exist on a moment-to-moment basis and try to do my best. I haven't got long term this will molde. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I thi I thi I thi. I thi. I've thi. I've thi. I've thi. I've think I've think I've think I've thin thi. I've thi. I've thi. I don't thi. I don't thi. I don't thi. I've thi. I've thi. I've thi. I've I've I've I've I've I've I've I've I've I've I've I've I've I've I've I've I've I've th. I've I've I've th. I've I've thin. I've thin. I've thin. I've thin. I've thin. I've thin. I've thin. I've the. I've tote. I don't toteeeeeeeeateeateeateeateeeateeateeeate. I don't tote. I don't tote. I've the character plans. But maybe he knows, you know, he was a child really when he was coming up in the football academies and stuff, so maybe we work through him. I think also where Germain has come from, it really has informed how he has approached his life that he's had to do this to get where he is. Oh, thank you to Germain. We'll be back on Tuesday. Yes. See on Tuesday.