Parenting Hell with Rob Beckett and Josh Widdicombe - S04 EP18: Kate Lawler

Episode Date: March 25, 2022

S04 EP18: Kate Lawler Joining us this episode to discuss the highs and lows of parenting (and life) is the presenter, model and DJ - Kate Lawler. Kate's new book 'Maybe Baby: On The Mother Side' is available to buy now. And yes you heard it right, we are very excited to announce another Parenting Hell Live show!! On top those already announced below (tickets are now on general sale but going fast!!) we're also doing a show at Birmingham Utilita Arena on Friday 28th April 2023. Tickets will be available on pre-sale at 10am on Monday (28th Match) so make sure you sign up to the mailing list to get the link.To sign up to the mailing list if you haven't already just cut and paste this into your browser:parentinghellpodcast.mailchimpsites.com ON SALE NOW 14th April 2023 - Manchester AO Arena19th April 2023 - Nottingham20th April 2023 - Cardiff 21st April 2023 - London (The O2)23rd April 20223 - London (Wembley)Thanks - Rob and Josh xxxIf you want to get in touch with the show here's how:EMAIL: [e-mail]: @parenting_hellINSTAGRAM: @parentinghellA 'Keep It Light Media' Production Sales, advertising, and general enquiries: [e-mail] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Nisprosso. Discover a world of possibilities with or without milk. Visit Nisproso.C.A. to learn more or a Nesproso boutique near you. Hello, I'm Rob Beckett. And I'm Josh Winnockham. Welcome to Parenting Hell, the show in which Josh and I discuss what it's really like to be a parent, which I would say can be a little tricky. So, to make ourselves and hopefully you feel better about the trials and tribulations of modern-day parenting, each week we'll be chatting to a famous parent about how they're coping. Or hopefully how they're not coping. And we'll also be hearing from you the listener with your tips, advice and of course

tales of parenting woe. Because let's be honest, there are plenty of times where none of us know what we're doing. Hello you're listening to Parenting Hill with Elsie say Rob Beckett. Bacchett and say Josh Whedicum. Good girl. Good girl. Absolutely smashed her. Oh wow. Do you know what? We're going to get to a point where these kids are going are gonna be grown up and they can say it properly?

Yes. Imagine getting, how long would it have to go for the kid to have had their own kids and get them to say it? It's like that seven up show that's ever been made. Oh yeah, every seven years, they do a catch up. that's good. This is my 20-month-year-old daughter Elsie who was born in July 2020. As if one pandemic baby wasn't enough we've just had another baby who is 10 weeks old called Theo your podcast has been getting me through the chaos of a life of two under two. Thanks for the belly loss looking forward to seeing you in Manchester next year. Yes I always forget to do this. We are on tour ne Chorne Manchester. Manchester. Wemn. th. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. to th. th. th. th. to th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. to to to to to to the to to the their their their to to their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their. I their. I their. I their. I their. I their. I their. I their. I. I. I their. I their. I tha. I tha. I tour. I tour. I tour. I tour. I tour. I tou. I tou. tou. tour. tou. to. to. tou. to. to. to. to. to. to. today. today. tour next year. Manchester, Wembley, O2, Nottingham, Cardiff.

Yes. Dubai your tickets because it's going to be lots of fun. Love from Lottie, who is from Rob? Oh, Swanley. Plymouth. Oh, fuck. Big city. Big city.

Of course she's from there. So many people are from there most people are firing firing in Plymouth yeah the alternative capital of the UK the alternative capital of the UK what's that mean I was just saying that it's a big deal I was I was that a thing no no no I know it's just bullshit oh right I just like it's just all what long air and in no no alternative like that as in like alternative to London like as in the second capital oh sorry yeah London Frankfurt yeah Paris Plymouth that's no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the that the the that's the the that's the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the like as in the second capital. Oh, sorry, yeah, London, Frankfurt, Paris, Plymouth. That was a strange one to choose to your second, big city.

Frankfurt's big, isn't it? Is it? Big, big, big, big, yeah, big city and money. Is it? Okay. I think. Officially Franken, the same is the worst start we've done in a while. Rob, well we don't need how are you.

I think Franking, Frank, I think it's a big deal. It's a banking, banking quarter, the bank convert. What am I doing? Sorry, I'm really sorry. Can I make a public apology? Yeah, go on. Can I apologize to everyone listening for Google in Frankfurt in a pathetic attempt to try and claim that it is some sort of banking hotspot. I love Germany. Have you been? Yes I've been. I've been to book. I think it's my favorite place to go people-wise. They are so nice. I prefer Munich to Berlin. Berlin's a bit cool and gray where Munich's a bit more like traditional German. No I want to go. Yeah, that's incredible. That's really good. It's in September.

Anyway. Should we do it? Yeah. Should we do one live from, should we do, for no reason whatsoever? A parent in hell live from October Fest? Yeah, do you know what, Rob? It'll be a lot of fun, but the following episode I'll be in sad. Josh had three pines and he's fucked.

Oh God. I can't deal with that anymore. I don't want to get the flight home. How are you, Josh, alright? Yeah, I'm good actually. I'm excited about life, you know? Good news, two-ferry turned up in the end. Oh, well done, two-fairy. Yeah, she found a way. How much the two-fairie leave the the thie thie leave thie leave thie leave thie leave thie leave thie leave the thie leave leave the thie thie leave leave thie leave leave thie thie thie thie thie. How much. How much. How much. How much. How much. How much. How much. How much. How much. How much. How much. How much. How much. How much. How much. How much. How much. How much. How the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. How much. How much. How much. How much? the th th th th th th th th th th thie leave leave leave leave leave leave leave leave leave leave leave leave leave leave leave leave leave leave leave leave leave leave leave leave leave leave leave the the the the the the the the the the the the the theeeeee theeeeeeeeee the thee the the the because it was a two-dayer it was a five-pound note. Wow! Big time. Normally two quid. More than a hundred percent interest per day. I know it's good job she turned up, isn't it? Yeah bloody out. She should be well out of pocket. Rob? Yes, yes. It's a big announcement for people in the Midlands. Yes exactly. They They are going to lockdown, lockdown tier three, just for the Midlands, no.

The exciting news is we're putting another live show on at Josh. Birmingham. Whatever it's called these days. Whatever it's called in Birmingham, do we? The arena, Burmina, what's it? What ever big companies sponsored it. Yes. And we, heart Marina, what's it? Utilita? Is that something else? I don't know. Whatever big companies sponsored it.

Yes. And we heartily endorse the product of Utilitia. Yeah. I like it? Yeah. Do you know where that is, Rob? That's where they used to film Gladiators. Oh yeah, well they used to do gladiators, yeah, because the Birmingham Marina, NEC, whatever, utilitar, whatever, umbilical called, call it what you want, the big one in the middle of Birmingham or wherever it is in Berman. You know, you know where it is. It's on the website.

If you sign up to the mailing list, you'll get an email I imagine. Exactly. Just Google, yeah, sign up to the mailing list and then, the the the m. the m. the m. the m. the m. the mi. the mi. the mi. the mi. the mi. the mi. the mi. the the the the the the big, the big, the big, the big, the big, the big, the big, the big the big, the big, the big, the big the big the big the big the big the big the big the big the big the big the big the big the big the big, the big. the big. the big, the big. the big. the big. the big. the big. the big. Yeah, the big. Yeah, the big. Yeah, the big. Yeah, the big. Yeah, the big. Yeah, the big. Yeah, the big. the big. the big, the big, the big, thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. their the big the big the big one is big one. the big the big the big the big the big the big the big list and then on Monday at 10 a.m. this is how it works you get first dibs. Presale email will be sent to you on Monday. Okay well Birmingham I just hurt my elbow sorry I just thought my elbow I just I just thought oh no oh sorry that's a siren I've got the window open it's hot this is a disaster and you've hurt your elbow this is this is not good enough if you want more of this but lie. You're in luck if you're in the Midlands. Anyway, sign up and you'll get a link to the email. Yeah, 10 a.m. on Monday, the pre-sale link goes out and then it's on general sale on Wednesday, the 30th. What a great Mothers Day press on. When is the gig? We should tell a... Oh yeah, sorry. When's the 28th It's the 28th of April next year. So Friday night as well. What a great night out that will be.

Sign up to the mailing list to get the tickets ahead of everyone else and then on the Wednesday. They will go on sale to the absolute plebs that aren't on the mailing list. Great Mother's Day present guys. The scum that haven't signed up to the mailing plebs that aren't on the mailing list. Great Mother's Day present, guys. The riffraff that aren't on the mailing list. The scum. The scum that haven't signed up to the mailing list. The mouth-breathing losers. Yeah, sign up. There we go.

That's exciting. And also all the others are still, you get the gist. Let's do, let's Steve write it, Manchester, 14th of April, Nottingham 19th of April, Cardiff 20th of April, London O2 to 21st of April, London, Wembley the 23rd of April, and now Birmingham Utilitea Arena, the 28th of April. See you there. Josh, can I say something. This is a very exciting episode for you. We had th, th, got an amazing story about, you know, try to conceive and they did a whole podcast about their about the try to conceive and they did a whole podcast about did they want kids or not have kids. She was great guess. Great guess. He's to talk about Johnny the Fireman from Big Brother or other Big Brother things.

I just think it's a very cultural relevant topic. I loved Big Brother. I think it's my favorite TV show of all time. Early series of Big Brother are incredible. Bloody how they were good. Listen to this, Josh. See how you like this. Come on! So good. That's Big Brother 1.

Do you want Big Brother 2? They're the same, aren't they? Yeah, exactly the same. Yeah, exactly the same. Yeah, it's the same. It's the same. Yeah, big brother four? No, I don't think we, I think we read the port. Yeah, exactly the same, yeah. I don't know, it's a poor local fold? I don't know,

but basically, this is a five minute YouTube video of Big Brother intro from 2000, 2018, but I think they're all the same. That is, that's it mental. That is the same. That's it. That's, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, the, the, the, the same, the same, the same, the same, the same, the same, the same, the same, the same, I, the same, it, I, it, it, it, it, it, it's, it's, it's the same, it's the same, it's, it's a the same, it's the same. It's the same. It's the same. It's the same, it, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's the same. It's, it's, it's the same. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's the same. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's the same. It's, it's the same. It's, it's the same. It's the same. It's the same. It's a the same. It's a the same. It's a the same. It's a the same. It's a the same. It's a the same. It's a the same. It's a the same. It's a the same. It like, where does it change it? No, that's, this is mental. Seven? Let me do the last series then, see what that was. Is his Brooke Brother 17? What's the point? Oh, I get it. The titles have changed the songs the same.

Oh my God, you're such a loser, Rob. Oh my word, but I enjoyed it. I was thinking th thinking th thinking I th thinking I th thinking I that I that I that I that I don't that I don't that I don't that I don't that I don't that I don't that I don't that I don't that I don't that I don't that I don't that I don't that I don't that I don't that I don't that. I don't that. I don't that. I that. I don't that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's. I that's. I that's. I that's. I that's. I that's. I that. I that. I that. I that. I that. I that. I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't that. I don't that. I don't the. I don't theanananan't theanananananan't that. I don't that. I don't that. I don't that. I don't that. I don't that. I. Oh my god you're such a loser Rob. Oh my word, but I enjoyed it. I uh, I loved. I was thinking I don't remember him changing the song. They did, they just change the credit. I always used to, you know that bit where they came out, and all their mates would greet them after they'd left. Yeah. I always thought I don't know if I've got enough friends. I don't th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th their th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th tho tho tho- I don't tho- I've the theat theat tho- I don't know the the the the the the the the the the their their their their their their th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th their their their their their their th th their th th the the the the an the an thean. I thean. I've thean. I've thean. I've thean. I thean. I thean. I theeeeeeee about a year and a half in my family. I'd have just gone into Big Brother on my own. Imagine that you're carrying a Big Brother. There's DeVina and two mates. Oh, I'm in there with Kinger and a bottle of Shardom, man. Oh, yeah, I'd love to do like a proper reunion show of Big Brother.

Wouldn't that be amazing? That would be? Get them all in all in. I'm just thinking about life. I'm really thinking about when life was so simple. Where does it go? Channel 4, 9 o'clock, you've got some fucking Pringles on the go, Caddiet Coke, no kids to put to bed. Do you know what, why Big Brother mean, those early Big Brother means so much to us? Because that was a period when we had nothing, we had no responsibility. No phone either, really in those years, 2000. Oh my word, here's Kate Lawler.

Apologies for all the Big Brother questions that will come eventually. We'll get the baby stuff out the way so we can bring up to Big Brother. Let's talk about Big Brother. After Josh is pretending to care about children for a bit. What was PJ really like? No, OK. Right. Hello, Kate Lawler. Hello, Kate Lawler.

Hello, thanks for having me guys. I love the podcast. Oh, thank you so much for coming on. We're very excited. I'm excited to be here. What's your kind of set up in terms of you, have you got one child, right? Just the one, her still in the early stages.

Yeah. So, fair play to both of you for doing it twice. I definitely don't think I could do it again. But when did you guys start thinking, let's do it again? Or did you always know that you wanted another one? Because everyone keeps telling me that now she's one, I will start thinking about having another child. I think we always had it in our mind that we do it again. Rob was quite quick out the blocks with the second one mind you? Yes we very much wanted to smash two out and then try and get back to some sort of normality and that's still not happened and they're six

and four. So I think I would say is it's stressful if you have one quickly after however there's more chance of them playing together if they are similar ages. So I'm happy with their decision, but it doesn't suit everyone. But yeah, we smash two, it's two under two, which is horrific. It's so common, isn't it? Everyone always, it's one of the most common things I've need to do it again thank you I love her I love her but yeah I don't think I could do it again because you did a whole podcast didn't you with your partner about maybe baby was a podcast about deciding to have kids or not yeah we did we thought it was we were in quite a unique

position really because I never wanted children and when I met him and we literally met on the night out we were at an award ceremony and I just he took the to to to the to the the the to the the the the to the the the the to the the the the to to the the the the the the to the to the the the the to to to the the the the the to to the the the told told I to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the they. I the the the the the the the tttoday. I the the tttoday. I ttoday. I ttoday. I today. I maybe maybe maybe maybe maybe maybe maybe maybe maybe maybe maybe maybe maybe maybe maybe maybe maybe maybe maybe maybe maybe maybe the night out, we were at an award ceremony. And he came over to me and tried it on with me. And I took him home with me. And then, but before we'd even gone on a day, I said, by the way, this isn't go anywhere, going anywhere, I don't want kids, I don't want to get married. It's just a bit of fun. And he was like, I just this isn't for

me? I just never ever wanted children. I can't explain why. From a very young age, it just wasn't for me. I just didn't think I'd ever had them. I didn't have that maternal desire. I didn't have that maternal desire. I didn desire to have children or to be a mother. I wanted a dog and I got a dog and then I wanted another dog. I got a broody, got another dog. And I just said to Bodge when I met him, look, it's who I am and I just I need to lay my cards out on the table because I don't want us to get down the thing then? Oh wow. And then and then three more years followed a really uncomfortable and awkward conversations of me saying, look I did tell you that night. I know you were pissed and I was

drunk but I did tell you, all right, stop making me feel bad. And he was like, you've got to give me a bit of hope. And I was like, but I've told you I've told told I've told I've told I've told I don't told told told told told told told told told told told to told told to to to to told told I don't want I don't want I don't want I don't want I don't want I don't I don't I don't told I don't want told I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't I I don't I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I don't I I I I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't told I don't told I don't told I don't told I don't want I don't want I don't want I don't want I don't want I don't want told told told told told told told told told told told told told told told told told told told told told you I. You're talking about like getting a shot at a pub. In the end, I bought one. I know. But there we go, I had one. What changed your mind on it? There was a few things. First of all, the podcast did actually open my eyes into what real life as a parent like.

And everybody we had on the podcast was pro-kids championing how great being a parent is. And after each episode I think, you know what, it doesn't sound so bad. Then I hit 40. You should have listened to our podcast. You know that very, very different that approach. I know right. Then I hit 40. I also went to a fertility clinic in one of the episodes of our podcast. We just wanted to make sure that we could have children that their children children children children children children children children children children children children children children children children children children children their their their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, thi, thi, th, th, th, th, th, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, thoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, tho, tho, tho, tho, to make sure that we could have children if we decided one day that we would try. And I was really cocky. I went in going, oh, your little swimmers better be going the right direction.

And I then was told that I didn't have hardly any eggs left and I shouldn't be putting it on the back burner if I was thinking about it. And I think the thought of, you know, that idea, you know, the idea, the idea, the idea, the idea, the idea, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, and I, and I, and I, and I their, and I their, and I'd then, and I'd then, and I'd then, and I'd then, and I'd then, and I'd then, and I'd then, and I'd then, and I'd then, and I'd then, and I'd then, and I, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, and, and, and, and do want a baby one day and then it's too late and I've run out of eggs What was that like when they told you? Can answer this question? How was he swimmers were they okay? Strong? Strong. Strong. Strong.

Strong. Strong. He's annoyingly strong. He got told first. He was like. Oh no. I know. He was buzzing. Women never go, I've got loads of eggs. It's like, yeah, spunk's good. We've had the cold spunk's good.

Spunk's good. It was so bizarre him going into that room. Because I knew he was going in to have a wank. And I was like, what is going on? This is so bizarre exactly that before you. And... Yeah, we've all been to a Premier Inn though, Kate. But he came out and he was like, he was nervous and I wasn't. And then he got told he had great, great sperm, swimming in the right direction, lots of them. And then she said, you've got a lovely womb womb. Andto chat you up. You've got a lovely womb. Or you've got a nice thick womb lining or whatever it's called.

Has anyone ever complimented your philopian tears before? Do you know what? You've got a lovely room was what he said to you at that award ceremony on the first night as well, wasn't it? Do you know what? When I had the internal examination, this is, this is, this, thian, thian, thian, thian, thian, thian, thu, thu, thu, thu, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is they....... Is is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is thi..... Is is, is, is tttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt together. Is anyone, t t together, anyone, t t together, anyone, anyone, anyone, anyone, anyone, anyone, anyone, anyone, anyone, anyone, anyone, anyone, anyone, anyone, anyone, anyone, anyone, to to to to to to me you're super ovulating right now and I was like what do you mean she was like because most people go to a fertility clinic because they are trying for a baby and and it's you know they're on that journey and then it's nothing nothing's working but she said to me you're super ovulating and I said what to try twins to try what to try to her, if I'm super, is this like a one-off? And she said, people who super-ovulate tend to super-ovulate a lot.

So the chance of you having twins, and I'm a twin, and I said, if I do decide to ever have a baby, can I come back and make sure that I'm not super-ovulating before we try? Because the thoughtto be having twins was super high, so I was shitting myself when we did try, because I was thinking, oh, it would be just my luck to have two when I only want one. Like, one is the compromise here with Bodge. And actually, I'm really glad we just have one, because it's enough. And I don't know how people with multiples. And I don't know how you all it's just it's the hardest thing I do I should point out that I do love my child I know I sometimes make I love I've come no

that we all accept that on this show we may moan but that's the you know yeah I know I know actually get people on that hate their kids you know we've had a couple where we've suspected but it's not you yeah we've've got Queen Elizabeth the second booked him for next month. Fingers crossed. So, I'd like the fact you said the second. You read the full name. A bit of respect from Rob. I gave a little feedback. Rob, did Rob mean the first or second? I know the first is dead, but it'd be good to have some clarinet me. I'm going to the the the the to get to get the to get the to get the to get the to get the to get the the the to to the the the to to the to the the the the to to the to the to to to to be to be to be the first. to be to be to be tooomber. tooombeck. to me. to me. to me. I's. I'm to me. I'm the first. I's the first. I's the first. I's the first. I's the first. I's the first. I's the first. the first. the first. the first. the first. the first. If. If. If. If. If. If. If. If. If. If. If. If. If. If. If. If. If. If. If the the the the the the. If. If. I'm th. I'm th. If. I'm. together. If. th. thoooooooooooooe. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm not going back to university to be your friend.

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So then when you had, you knew like you were on a kind of time frame or whatever, was it a weird kind of pressure to conceive in that situation? Massively, because we went to see, we went to this fertility clinic in 2019 in like the September and she said when are you getting married? This was after she broke the news to me and I started crying just with the realization that I might not ever be able to have children and I said we're getting married in June 2020 and she said would it be the worst thing to walk down the aisle pregnant and I immediately said yes yes I want to get fucked up on my wedding are you jocked I. I'm not walking down the aisle pregnant. And she said, well I just wouldn't put it on the back burner. So I said to Bodd. All right, what will do? We'll get married on our honeymoon. We will try straight away. And then COVID hit on our

wedding got canceled. And I was like, Jesus hit in March 20, I turned 40 in May, and then we were supposed to be getting married in June, and I just said, literally three weeks after my 40th, I said, let's try, let's just do it, and get married next year. And I stupidly thought that we would have a baby, and then thrown, we're getting married in June this year. And what's great is that Noah will be at our wedding, a little flower going, that's gorgeous. But we tried and we got pregnant straight away.

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fun and just, you know what I mean? I got everything out of my system that I needed to get out. And I was ready to become a mum and be responsible. And I loved Bodge and I knew he'd be a great dad. So I was really excited. But everyone we told thold it was that it was th I tho I tho I tho I tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. I tho. thi tho. I tho. I tho. I tho. I tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho thi thi thi thi thi tho thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi I'd th I'd th I'd th I'd th I'd th I'd th I'd th I'd th I'd th I'd thi I'd thi I'd thi I'd thi I'd thi I'd thi I'd thi thi thi the the the their their their their their their thi thi thi thi to to lived told told thi. I'd lived thooooooooooooooooooo. the theee the thi thi the thi because I've been I've been telling everyone for years it was never going to happen and everyone was like this is for Instagram this is a wind-up I'm eating my parents so like they're joking well you're joking and I was like really yeah and everyone thought it's a wind-up I think I think there's so much pressure on having kids and I thin the thing which like, I'm the one that doesn't want kids. And that becomes a thing, when reality is, that one's like, you know, no walks around going, oh, that's the person that doesn't go on theme part rides.

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tired the kids are crying I always used to see parents looking really stressed out whenever I was walking the dog. I've got dogs, so I'm in the park at the same time where parents are taking their kids to the park. And kids love the park, parents don't love the park, fact. I've only been to the park a few times. I'm just like, let my daughter have a go on the slide. These kids were on the slide for so long. I haven't even experienced the park ppapapapapapapapapap. I. I. I. I. I' park pp. I' park pp. I've pp. I've pp. I've pp. I've pa. I've pa. I've the park pa. I've the park pere. I've the park park park. I've the park. I've the park. I've the park. I've the park. I've the park. I've the park. I've the park. I've the park. I've the park. I've the park. I've the park. I've the park. I've the park. I've the park. I've the park. I. I. I. I. I. I. I've the park. I've the park. I've the park. I've the park. I've the park. I've the park. I've the park. I've the park. I've the park. I've to to to to the park. I've toe. toea. toea. toea. toea. toea. toea. the the the the the the the the the park. I've the park. I've the be in the park and I'd see meltdowns and I'd see tired moms and tired dads and stressed parents and I'd be like I'm here with just dogs and I'm really happy and I said to Bodge why would we rock the boat without by having a child that was that was the battle the internal battle I loved my

life as it was and I felt complete and that's another thing you get told with if you don't have children and you're you'd that's that's that's that's that's that's that's th th that's th th th th th th th th th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm thi thi. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I I I I'm th. I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I'm th. I I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm here th. I'm here th. I'm here theeeeeeeee. I'm here theeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. I'm here th. I'm here th. I'm here th. I'm here th. I'm here you don't want kids, they're like, well, you don't know real love until you've had a child, and you don't know, you know, that's what you're here for. It completes you, and I honestly, I felt really fulfilled and I felt like I was complete before Noah came along. I didn't feel like I needed anything else in my life. to feel happy or complete. And I think that that you need a child in order to have a fulfilled life. But I, but I totally get it now because I've had one and why people say do it. Because

it's the most magical thing ever. Are you as tired as you worried you'd be there, Kate? Are are you as stressed out? Is your hair as bad as you worried it would be? Are... Is th. Is th. Is th. Is the th. Is th. Is th. Is th. Is th. their, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. their, th. th. th. th. to, to, to, to, to, to, but, but, to, but, but, but, but, but, but, but I'm, but I'm, but I'm, but I'm, but I'm, but I, but I to, but I to, but I to, but I to, but I to, but I to, but I to, but I to, but I to, but I to, but I to, but I to, but I the the the the the the the the the the the their, but I their, but I, but I, but I, but I, but I, but I, but I, but I, but I, but I, but I, but I, but I, but I, but I, but I, but I, but I, but I, but I, but the way the hair I'm not having to go at the hair by the way. No but I my hair was so bad for so for the first nine months I was such a greaseball I didn't I didn't wash my hair I didn't brush my teeth till at least two in the afternoon the first year. The first year is hard the first year I've found. I've the the first. I the subsequent years. So I did a poll the other day on Instagram saying have I got over the worst bit? Because I thought the first year was the worst and 54% of people said yes but 46% of people said no I haven't. And I'm shocked because I thought that I had really that it would be like overwhelmingly yeah you've done the hardest bit. Is your daughter walking yet? No, she's lazy. She does this little janky call. Yeah, I don't think, yeah, I think I'd say, when there are about four or five-ish and they start going to school and you get a bit of time back.

That is when it becomes astronomically easier. So yeah, I don't want to bring you down. So we've got other three years definitely the first year is definitely is definitely is definitely is definitely is definitely definitely is definitely definitely definitely definitely the most definitely is definitely the most definitely is definitely the most the most the most the most the most the most the most the most the most the most the most the most the most the most the most the most the most the most the most the most the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I is th. I's is th. I's th. I's tttha. tea. tea. tea. tea. thea. I's thea. I's the. I's the. I's is definitely, first year is definitely the most difficult. Thank you. Yes. Yes. People saying to me, it's difficult, it's just as difficult but in different ways. And I think that's bullshit. Do you? Because, yeah, because like, the things I deal with now, like, I would prefer my daughter, who's for to have a freak out because she's got the wrong socks, the wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong...... to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, the the the the the the the the the the the the their, the the the the the the the the the the tooomorrow, to, to me. to, to, to, to, to, to me. to have a freak out because she's got the wrong socks or whatever you know with the kind of yeah then I'd have her wake up three times

I need to be fed in the night they're not comparable situations exactly no the first year is the worst but I think it's physically more tyrann but as a guy or it's mentally exhausting when they're arguing yeah it's just fucking hard work Kate I'm not one, the hard, it's just fucking hard work, Kate, I'm not gonna lie to. That's why I love this podcast, because I feel like you're just so honest about how hard it is, whereas so often you don't see the reality of it. Instagram, social media, it's just a highlights real of everyone's best bits. But it is so difficult, which is why I was always so honest on Instagram. I'd be like this is a bit shit isn't, isn't, this is a this is a this is a this is a this is a this is a bit shit, isn't it? Why didn't anyone tell me how difficult it was? Why did you all say it's the best thing you'll ever do?

This is the worst thing I've ever done. These were in the early days when I was at my wits end. And I was like, you lied to me, you fuckeers. You lied to me. Don't like, and I can't tell to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to tell. Great, this is brilliant news and I'm sure you're going to have a great time. But inside I want to tell them how hard it's going to be, but I don't want to scare them. Because when you're pregnant, you're just excited and all you're worried about is how massive your ariolas have got and how many veins you've got popping up all over your

body because that's weird as well. You get veins, you're just dealing with that, you're just, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, th, their, th, thi, thi, thin, thin, thin, thin, th th th th th thin, thi, thrown. th thr, th th. th. th. th, th, th, th. th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th. th. th. thi, thi, thi, thi. thi. thi. thrown. thrown, thrown, thrown, thrown, thrown, thrown, thrown, thrown, thrown, thrown, thrown, thrown,'s in front of you, and you have no idea what's about to hit you. But, and then some women, honestly, just take to it like a duck to water, and they find it really easy. But I just think it's really harmful for us not to be having these conversations about how difficult it can potentially be. And how awful you can't feel it. as well and like not, I'm constantly questioning myself thinking why have I had a child, like I shouldn't be a parent. I once fake tanned and then breastfed and she looked like home

Simpson the next morning. She got, she got, I just totally, I was in a daze, I wasn't concentrating, and then I breastfed her and she went to bed and I'd given, accidentally given her a fake tan around her mouth and she woke up with a bloody, like a goatie, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, a t, I'm, like, like, like, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, t.a, t.a, t.a, tape, t.a, tape, t.a, tape, t.a, tape, ta, ta, I'm, I'm goatee beard of tan all over her face and I couldn't get it off. I was like, oh my, I should not have been a, there shouldn't be a mom. And I was, I wasn't concentrating in the bath the other day, she was in her little bath and I was on my phone. I was watching her. I was obviously never left the room.

But I probably was on my phone for a bit too long. I looked up and she'd shit in the bath and it looked like she just opened a pack of mortises because they were to these tiny little like brown marble like she was playing with her poo she was just sitting there like looking like it like what is this and I was like Boodge she's pooved in the bath and I was thinking to myself I'm so bad I'm so bad I wasn't focusing I wasn't concentrating I'm sure you're not bad It's impossible to be to be laser focused on everything. I think your people beat themselves up too much, you know. Oh yeah. You know one play with your own shit you soon learn you don't like it. I've never known anyone whose parents weren't watching and now every time they have a bath they get out. I think it's something you learn for yourself. Exactly. Thankfully you probably sound like I moan too much. I just have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have. I have. I have. I have. I have. I have. I've. I've. I've their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their. I th. I th. I th. I to be too. I too. too. too. too. too. th. thoooooooo. I their their their their their their. I think it's something you learn for yourself. Exactly. Thankfully, you should meet it.

Yeah, I probably sound like I moaned too much, but I just, no, not at all. No, not at all. I want to keep it real. Do you think you have like, because you didn't want kids? Do you have a slight imposter syndrome with it, where you think like, I haven't done the fake town thing, but it would be weird if I had. But like everyone's got these stories. But to you, you're like, oh, I never really, this was never really the thing I was going to do.

So do you have that kind of feeling towards it? Yeah, I think you've hit the nail on the head there. I have massive imposter syndrome about everything I do. but you know in the first year especially, not now, I'm finding it a lot easier now. But I'd say to Bodge, this is why I didn't want children, that was a classic. And I felt really bad because it would make him for your pad. Because he was the one that kept on at me. This is why we shouldn't have done it. And he was like, oh, I'm really sorry. And I apologized him for that. But you are, when you're, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th. th. th. th. th. th. to, I, I, I, I, I, I, th. to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. to, to, to, to, to, th. to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, and he would be like, I'm really sorry. But like, you know, I, and I apologized him for that, but you are, when you're both sleep deprived and, and you're, and you're just, you don't know why they're crying and, oh, it's

just, it's so difficult. So yeah, I do think that the imposter syndrome exists as well, and, and yeah, I just, you always feel the the right thing. But I imagine, and I'll never know what it's like, it's so much easier the second time around because I said to Bodja the day, you just learn on the job, don't you? You can read all the books, you can go to all the antinatal classes and listen to podcasts, but once you have the baby, you learn what to do really. I think it's a confident it's a confidence it's a confidence it's a confidence it's a confidence, I's a confidence, I's a confidence, it's a confidence, it's a confidence, it's a confidence, it's a confidence, it's a confidence, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, is, their, is, their, is, their, their, their, their, their, their, toda, today, today, today, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, isn't it, basically? Like, you know, it's so difficult to do. So if any job you start and you've never done before, you don't know how to do it until the job progresses, you know? But yeah, with a second, is it a lot easier. It's tiring because you've got two kids to juggle, but you're not flapping around

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Yeah, I do think kids eat in a big range of things. Such a shit brag. Like, oh my kid has this, my kid. Who's the fuck? Just if it's, you know, just let them not eat a bit, you know what I mean? It's like, they have this, have that, you know, come on there, they can't really like that, can they? No, by the time they're four, they're all eating McDonald's chips off the bottom of the car, like so it doesn't really matter. But I imagine, yeah, it is easier the second time around.

It's a lot of learning on the job. And I do feel more confident as a mom now, but I just didn't in the beginning. That's why I kept talking about it on Instagram, because I'd then feel much better hearing from parents who were going through the same at 3 in the morning if you were like feeding you could find an army of women who are in exactly the same position as you whether they were dealing with a baby who was a newborn or a child that had a cold or you know that was up and they you know whatever reason it was and it was just really really

reassuring to know that so many other parents were in the same position as you couldn't sleep or their child couldn't sleep and you're like everyone's going through this. Yeah, we should start a hashtag for that. Maybe anyone listening is doing that, the hashtag late night feeds or late night kids or something like, late night kids sound bad. Hashtag wider weight club. That's what I call it. Oh, do you call it that? HASHTT. Well, yeah, get our listeners to do that. And then they can share they can they can't they can't they can't they they they they they can't their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their late night night night night their their late night night night night their their late. their late. their late. their late. their late. their late. their late. their late. their. their their. their. their. their. their their. their their their their their their their their th. the. the. the. the. that. theat. th. th. today. th. today. th. th. th. that. the. theat. the. the. the can share being awake with a good kid. So you're not on your own. Is that why you've kind of come to write the book? So you've written maybe baby on the mother side which is out now and is that kind of book you would have wanted there as an accompaniment for you when you were becoming a mother? Because I think all the books I read when I was pregnant were more like how to be a parent or how to change a the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the tha tha tha tha tha the the the thea tho tho tho tho tho their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the tha the tha the the the the the ta.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a. I thoooooooooo. the all the books I read when I was pregnant were more like how to be a parent

or how to change a nappy or how to feed a baby and how to do this. It was just it was more practical tips and advice rather than how you might cope mentally. And so yeah, I kind of wish I'd read more books or maybe looked into that more, but I genuinely didn't feel when I was pregnant that I would struggle. I actually, even though I resisted so long to try for a baby, I had such an enjoyable pregnancy that it kind of lulled me into a false sense of curate and I thought that I would really enjoy and find motherhood quite easy. I thought, this is not bad. I'm actually really looking forward to it. And I didn't think because of my personality that I'd be depressed afterwards or that I would just, or th

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she was a bad sorry Karen. Being a twin do you think though like if your sister was so into that was that almost like a bit of a kickback of like I mean remember when being me and my brothers I'd like something different than they liked for a bit of your own individuality and we weren't, we were just close together in age, not twins. Do you think that maybe sort of planted the seed slightly? Perhaps, yeah. I think we were just always very different anyway. Like she was the girly one and I was a little tomboy. I literally lived in the same umbro track suit until I was about 14.

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No, really? Can't you get... Why can't the dogs go to a ballad in place? Do they ever go to a balding place? No, they're coming with us. They're our kids. Oh, I'll fuck my dog off to a boarding place? That's a... Wait a minute. What do you meanthey do daycare for dogs, but also they've got rooms where they can sleep, kennels, kennels, that's it, balding kennels, and then it stays overnight and then in the day it runs around the grounds of all the other dogs. Please give your dog to me next time you go on holiday. Why? No, you don't need another dog. Yes, we do. Why are you making it out like your kids and your dogs? They come their own dog. That's the worst excuse I ever heard of my life.

They love other dogs. They do love other dogs. But I don't know if I like the idea of them staying in a kennel because they are in that kennel for a lot longer than they would be at your house. So it's not really home old armchair that they sit on and then at night they get put in their little crate like they do it. Does your dog, is your dog in a crate or just in the house? No, he's on our bed.

Yeah, I knew. I could have asked that straight away. That's on her the they should be. You always do it at the beginning. Rob, give it a couple of years. Your dog will be sleeping in between you both. No way. I can't do it. I can't do it. Bodge, my partner said, Baxter is never coming on the bed, by the way.

He's never sleeping in our bedroom. And now, Shirley, our rescue dog. She sleeps in between us. Or do you know what, I'd be interested in your take on this. So our cat started sleeping on the bed, which I think's fine, it's a cat. Lovely. No, the cat's outside, fuck that. And now, the last couple of nights, the cat has been sleeping, Rose is sleeping,

Rose is sleeping on her front, the cat is on her back. And then when, when my son has started've got to go because the cat's on my back. And I'm like, no, you can't use that. You can't use that. That's not it. That is a no, that's, you don't want to wake the cat. Yeah, you don't want to wait the cat as well. Oh yeah, get out of bed, Josh and go and give.

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Nothing but love. She's trying to. That's what it is. She's like, no, don't get near her. How was it bringing the baby home with the dogs then? Obviously, because the dogs are used to getting all the affection and stuff like that. Were they fine with it? Yeah. Was it a bit awkward at the start? It was the most underwilming experience. I was really looking forward to it. I thought we'd bring Noah in and they would like be sniffing her, and seat we had a little net over her just so they couldn't get too close and they just they just walked over I took one sniff and then just went like walked

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and I was just, it's just you are, your child is, especially if you're breast feeding as well, you are glued to your child or you're glued to a pumping machine and you just, I rarely left the house so I thought in the end I thought it was quite a good idea, a nice thape, I thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi, I thi, I thi, I thr-a, I thr-a, I thrown, I thrown, I thrown, I thrown, I thr-a, I thr-a, I thr-a, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th., I th. th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I thr, I thr, I thr, I'm, I'm t. toda, I'm toda, I'm today, today, today, today, today, today, today, today, today, today, today, I t to have a photo taken at home with the dogs and Noah because it's basically what my first year of motherhood was like. I just I want to point out that I do love Noah I know I know I'm moaned about being no no no. Yeah of course we know that but that but you know when people like I've seen the daily mail comments she's still moaning about her child how you can't look at the day. You still fucking to fucking. You're fucking. You're to fucking. You're to fucking. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I to to to to to to to the to the to the to the the their their their their to their their to their to their to to their. I'm to to to their. I'm their. I'm their. I'm their. I'm their. I their. I their. I their. I to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to their their. I their. I their. I their. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I th. I th. I to. th. th. th. th. th. th. I th. tho. I to to to to to silly, bored fucks. Kate was all like, you're super into your exercise and stuff like that. How stressful was that? You know, you seem to like always on the, I really find that smoothie that exploded in

your kitchen still cracked me out. Oh, Christy. But like you're always into your health and fitness and stuff. How difficult was it your body changing, being pregnant and then, the baby and stuff. Did you find it difficult not being out of train as much or did you carry on right up until? Do you know what I found pregnancy a really nice excuse not to go to the gym. I was like I'm pregnant I can't be bothered. I can't be asked and I loved not exercising when I was pregnant. I just walked the dog's every day. That was I mean that's the exercise right I just to do pregnancy yoga or just carry on like you know so some women some women teaching an aerobics class and she was nine months pregnant she was about to drop and she was teaching a class but um excuse me I really enjoyed

not exercising through pregnancy and I had a C-section so you can't exercise for the first six to eight weeks and I made a point of not exercising for the first 12 I was too scared that the incision would open back up but I I really I really really really really really really really really really really to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the to. But I rarely exercise now, I just, I don't have time, but it's not something, I've learned to accept that I'm just not going to have as much time and at least to get out to all the dogs, so that's all right. Yeah, I think. If you walk an hour every day, you can't. If you walk an hour every day, if you don't need to, if you to walk, if you to walk, if you, if you, if you, if you, you, you, to, to, to, to, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I to, I to, I to, I to, I've to, I've to, I've to, I've to to, I've to, I've to, I've to, I've to, I've to, I to, I to, I to, I to, I to, I to, I to, I to, I to, I to, I to, I to, I to, I to, I to, I to, I to, I to, I to, I to, I to, I to, I to, I to, I to, I th. th. I've to, I've to th. tha, I've to tha, I've just, I've to to tha, I've just, I've to to to to to to to to to to to, I've to, I've to be like absolutely rip like me and buff to, you know, rip to shit like me. I do. We've got a slightly older kid, so we're both. What do you do? What do I do?

What don't I do, Kate, that's the answer? No, it's um, yeah, exercise, sure Josh do you want to ask a big brother question before? What was anything you know about? I've only got one big brother question? Okay do a couple. Are you a fan of the show Josh? What was it? I was a big brother three? That was a big brother three? Alex Sibley was it? Alex Sibbly? I was a big brother. A. J. Yeah. I was a the. I was a the. I was a the. I was a big. I was a big brother. I was a big brother. I was a big brother. I was a big brother. I was a big. I was a big. I was a big. I was a big. I was a big. I was a big. I was a big. I was a big. I was a big. I was a big. I was a big. I was a big. I was a big. I was a big. I was a big. I was a big. I was a big. I was a big. I was a big. I was a big. I was a big. I was a big. I was a big. I. I was a big. I. I was a big. I was a big. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I was a big. I was a big. I was a big. I was a big. I was a big. I was a big. I was a big. I was a big. I was a big. I was a big. I was a big. I was a big. I was a big. I was a big. I was a big. I was a big. I was a suddenly... It was a good series of vintage year. Alex Sible, it's Alex Sible, Johnny the Fireman, PJ, Jay, Jay James isn't that one. Sandy pissed in the bin that was that serious wasn't it? Yep, Sandy pissed in the bin before, before he jumped over the wall and we didn't even know. And the next morning I left the house at the night before and I was like dirty bastard. Did you enjoy being in it? Was it a fun experience?

Loved it. Basically I didn't go uni and I felt like I'd been to uni when I came out of big brother. Basically I didn't go to uni when I came out of big brother. I was like I reckon that's what you must have been like, I ate shit, not not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, I'd Because when we were doing the shopping budget, I was like, let's get vodka and they were like, whoa, hold up. We could get this many bottles of cider for that one bottle of vodka, so we're going to do that. And I was like, what's, we had the best time. And I was just got, we got drunk, we played stupid games. The challenges were always a lot fun The every every eviction night was like a pantomime and it was you know You could hear that it was such a vintage year as a national obsession back then So he could hear it was a it was a huge yeah, yeah, we had no idea we thought we thou? We thought we still very much like oh is it gonna be big or people gonna watch it I mean the hype? I mean the hype before we went? we we we we we we th before before before before before before before before before before we the the the the the th the th th the the the the th the the the th th th the the the the the the the the the the the the the hype before the hype before the the hype before the hype before the hype before the hype before the hype before the hype before the hype before the hype before the hype before the hype before the hype before the hype before the hype before the hype before the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th th th th th the the the the thea thea thea the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the big but it was just the most amazing experience to be part of. I couldn't deal with the eviction and the voting and all that kind of stuff. Couldn't you? Why? I don't know why? I'm sensitive so. I'm quite a weak human being, Kate. No, not weak, sensitive. You're not weak and sensitive.

You're sensitive. Rob I imagine would come out and be like, I voted for you and you. I'll bet you tell them. Why are we doing the guy in the room? Let's just sit around to be honest with each other. Let's have a piss in the bin, come on. No, to be fair though, I think I would have been, now I'd be like that. But if I went in there when I was 21, 22, I who you are at that stage. And at that age, didn't you think when you were 21-22 that you were old? You always felt grown up. Yeah, you know everything.

But I look back now and realize I was so young and I didn't know anything. And I walked in and I'm not going to be bothered about nominations or evictions. It's gonna nominate, it doesn't matter. And then when you nominate, worse, wominate, wominate, wominate, wominate, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, to, the, the, to, the, the, the, to, the, the, the, they. And, to, to, to, to, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, th. And, th. And, th. And, tho, tho, thooo, to. And, and I. Yeah, and I. And, and I. And, and I tho, and I tho, and I tho, and I like, what the fuck did I do? Why are you nominating me when it is a brick? And you really take it personally. You take it so personally that you've been nominated. And being up for eviction is just palm sweating. You're like, I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go, it's gonna be me. So when you, I mean, I never experienced the eviction thing because of it's gonna be me it's gonna be me what was your price what did you win what was the money it 70,000 pound whoa I know no wonder you was on the smash for 15 years I stested all up the wall yeah I did I was in such bad

debt when I met my film's so stupid thing you spent it on what was the most ridiculous purchase I think what I was most ridiculous thing I spent it on I mean I just I just to go out with all their the the their their their their th I th I th I th I th I th I th I their th I th I th I th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th I th I th I th I th I th thi thi thi thi th th th th th th I th th th th th th th th is th th is th is th th their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their th is th is th is thi the thi the thi thi thi thi to to the the thi the the the the thi thi the thi thi they they they thi they they they the most ridiculous thing I spent it on. I mean, I just used to go out with all my mates and just buy bottles of alcohol for everybody and go on the holidays. And I used to buy, I used to buy designer bags. I look back now and they, I just like such a chav, I would be like, I'd get papped and I'd have this designer bag, but I was no style, I was a towny girl, I didn't live in London, I was just this towny girl with no sense of style and I just used to wear the most hideous clothes like my eviction outfit, but then I'd have this designer handbag because I had one big brother and I had 70 grand in the bank.

And it was just, I looked like, I looked like, that. So I, yeah, a lot of the the the they. Yeah, a, a, a, a, a, a, a lot, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I was, I was, I was, I was, the the the most, the most, the most, the most, the most, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, the most, and I, and I, the most, the most, the most, the most, the most, the most, the, the most, the, the, the most, I, I, I, I, I, I. And, I. And, I. And, I. And, I. And, I. And, I. And, I. And, I. And, I. And, I. And, I. And, I was, I was, the most, the most, the most, the most, the most, the most, the most, the most, the most, the most, the most, the most, the most, the most, the most, time. And when I met my fiance, he was like, you're in how much debt? And I was like, well, I had a good time now. And he was like, what, how many, how many credit cards have you got? And I was like, yeah, it's been a wild five years. Oh, wow. It's so easy to do though. But my dad made me put all that money I to put all that money into into into the money into into into the money into into into into the money into into into into the money into into into into the money into into the money into into into the money into the money into into the money into the money into the money into the money into the money into a the money into a to a deposit so I could get on the property ladder in Beckenham. Oh that's good. And that money is still invested. It was just all the money I earned afterwards that I pissed up the wall. But there we go. I had a good time doing it. It's a hell

of a life story we've got. What a journey? You're thrown in though at 22, right? 22 you're just thrown into the spotlight. You go in. I in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in. I the the thrown. I thrown. I their. I thrown. thrown. their. thrown. their. thrown. thrown. their. thoen. thoen. thoomeree. thoen. their. thoomereeou'er. thoomeree. their just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just. I went. I went. I went. I went. I went. I went. I went. I I went. I I went. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I've. I've. I've. I've. I've. I've. I've. I've. I've. I've. I've. I've. I've. I've. I've. I've the. I've the. the. I've the the the the in anonymous and then I came out I went to my dad oh my boss has held my position open I can go back and he was like no you can't you can't just go back and work in a bank because like everyone knows who you are now and I was like do they because you're not aware that you're on TV you know like the shows you do you have you've had live audiences and people know you're they're they're aware of who you are, but you're just living in a house for nine weeks with your mates having a laugh, but you, and there's cameras everywhere, but you have no idea who's watching and how many keep doing it.

Then you, at that stage, it was just like a few TV channels and then like, if you got on enough, if you got your own show off the was at the mercy of, you know, agents, managers, and producers and stuff. So, yeah, and your success back then was defined by how many TV appearances you got afterwards or how, you know, how much you're on tele because that was it, TV or radio. And I, yeah, I, the TV offers were there initially and then they just kind of dry up when the next series starts and you're like, oh shit no one's interested in me anymore. God. But you've done really well, like in terms of, if you look at the amount of people that went into Big Brother, you've got, you're one of the most kind of successful and visible people.

I think our series was a successful year. And Adele? Adel is on radio. And Adele has done so well, yeah. Yeah, she's done great. Yeah, it has been a successful. She's on the radio. No, I'm joking. She's on the radio, she's on Radio 1,

then, but you're also on radio as I've been replaced last week. Okay, you're still there. Oh, I took a chance there. Fuck. That was the first one. Okay, thanks so much. Oh, the one last question is, is it one thing your partner does, parenting wies you? That if he was listening to now, it main model, one that makes you. I'm joking, no, he's great, he's the best dad ever. He is so hands-on, he does so much for Noah and me, but the one thing that he does that annoys me, it shouldn't annoy me, it really shouldn't bother me this, and you'll be like what? But he, he always changes her nappy. I'm like, he's he's he, he's he, he's he, he's he, he's he, he's so, he's so, he's so, he's so, he's so, he's so, he's so, he's so, he's so, he's so, he's so, he's so, he's so, he's so, he's so, he's so, he's so hands, he's so hands, he's so, he's so hands, he's so hands, he's so hands, he's so hands, he's so hands, he's so hands, he's so hands, he's so, he's so, he's so, he's so, he's so, he's so, he's so, he's so, he's so, he's so, he's so, he's so, he's so, he's so, he's so, he's so, he's so, he's so, he's so, he's so, he's so, he's so, he's so, he's so, he's so, he's so, he's so, he's so, he's so th. He's so th. He's so th. He's so th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th thi. He's so th th hours. I'm not saying that. But he always smells, he always smells, she's done a nappy.

I'm like, she doesn't, it doesn't matter if you smell her and she smells a little bit pissy. That's what nappies are for they thi. That's what nappies are for. They're the napi's for the nap. But he's always like she needs a nappie change. She could probably go another couple of hours in that napping. It shouldn't annoy me. Sorry, but that's what parenting is. Little things that annoy you. Someone who has a cat on their back and considers that some reason why they can't go and put a dummy back in. That kind of thing. You know, your partner, you know, your fiance,

making sure your child isn't covered in piss tip. I know what you mean it's is, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, making, making, making, making, making, making, making, making, making, making, making, making, making, making, making, making, making, making, making, making, making, that, that, that's that, that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's, that's that's, that's that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, is. That's, is. That's, is. That's, is. That's, is. That's, is. That's, is. that's, is. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's that's that's that's thi. that's that's thi. that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's terrible. I look so bad. Say that. I know, I'm messing. I don't know what you mean. It is a waste of money and it is something else going in landfill, and it's so. Kate, thank you so much. I'm so glad for Kate. Thanks so much. Thank you for having me.

Thanks for having me. Cheers, bye. Kate Lawler, I really enjoyed that, Josh. Yes, she's great, isn't she? She's brilliant. She's so good. And also that's so funny about the Homer Simpson, the tad, mouth and the kid. And she was just like, knocking it out. I was like, I couldthink, where like, just being honest with

night, sometimes not enjoying it, but then absolutely loving it, because I think you can feel really guilty if you're not enjoying it every second of every day. Dogs on honeymoon, absolutely not, not for me. Don't take that. No offense, Kate's sister, but you will never be touching my hair over again. And... It could be very awkward for me next time I get my air cut now. You know that. You know what I'm having to do here. Yeah. Oh dear. Anyway, Josh, yeah, Kate Love, absolutely brilliant and we'll be back on Tuesday with another episode.

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