Parenting Hell with Rob Beckett and Josh Widdicombe - S04 EP20: Ben Mee

Episode Date: April 1, 2022

S04 EP20: Ben Mee Joining us this episode to discuss the highs and lows of parenting (and life) is the Premier League footballer and Burnley captain, Ben Mee. TRIGGER WARNING: This episode contains conversations around premature birth. If you'd like to find out more about the amazing charity Ben discusses on the episode you can here - www.tommys.orgThanks - Rob and Josh xxxAnd yes you heard it right, we are very excited to announce another Parenting Hell Live show!! On top those already announced below (tickets are now on general sale but going fast!!) we're also doing a show at Birmingham Utilita Arena on Friday 28th April 2023. Tickets will be available on pre-sale at 10am on Monday (28th Match) so make sure you sign up to the mailing list to get the link.To sign up to the mailing list if you haven't already just cut and paste this into your browser:parentinghellpodcast.mailchimpsites.com ON SALE NOW 14th April 2023 - Manchester AO Arena19th April 2023 - Nottingham20th April 2023 - Cardiff 21st April 2023 - London (The O2)23rd April 20223 - London (Wembley)If you want to get in touch with the show here's how:EMAIL: [e-mail]: @parenting_hellINSTAGRAM: @parentinghellA 'Keep It Light Media' Production Sales, advertising, and general enquiries: [e-mail] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Wilikham welcome to parent the show in which Josh and I discuss what is really like to be a parent which I would say can be a little tricky. So, to make ourselves and hopefully you feel better about the trials and tribulations of modern-day parenting each week we're chatting to a famous parent about how they're coping. Or hopefully how they're not coping. And we'll also be hearing from you, the listener with your tips, advice and of, of course, tales of parenting. the the the the the their ta ta ta ta. ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta tri-a' tri-a' tri-a' tri-a' tri-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-s. ta-s. tri-s. tri-s. tri-s. tri-s. tri-s. tri-s. tri-s. tri-s. trie. t they're coping. Or hopefully how they're not coping. And we'll also be hearing from you the listener with your tips, advice, and of course, Tales of Parenting Woe. Because let's be honest, there are plenty of times where none of us know what we're

doing. Hello, you're listening to Parenting Hill with... Rudy, can you say Rob Beckett? Can you say Josh Widdickham? Yes. Good boy, well Dan. There we go. Rudy, great name. I reckon they've got a dog, because that was a very good boy, a dog kind of good boy. Yeah, it was. Where are they from, Rob? Oh, Rice Slip. Norfolk. Fuck. Fucking. One day. I think. How are you? Are you doing alright? Yeah, the right. thi. to. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. to. Norfolk. Fuck. Fucking one day. How are you? Are you doing alright? Yeah, all right. Yeah a little bit a little bit calmer in the house now so yeah all good. Good. Good. But we got there. No yeah a lot better now thanks for asking Josh lose feeling much better so get in there. Get in there. You're all right. Yeah I weigh a lot the way a lot working. You weigh a lot. we've way a lot a lot a lot a lot a lot a lot. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. to to the. to to to to the tho. tho. to the tho. tho. the tho. tho. the th. th. Good. You're alright? Yeah, I weigh a lot working. A weigh a lot working.

You weigh a lot. What have you been eating? Oh, we weigh a lot? Do you know what, Rob? Do you want to hear something pathetic? Go on. But it ends with a lovely bit of, a lovely bit of word play. Okay.

So the week before the like I'm gonna really I'm gonna really trim down in these seven days which is obviously not gonna happen. You're on a weight cut for your filming? Yeah I'm gonna wait cut for my filming. Yeah so I took away I got some Hul dinner replacement powder yeah and a bag of oats a bag of oats a fucking cow yeah and then I opened my suitcase in the hotel they both exploded right and I said to myself like out loud I went oh I went there I I I I I I I I I I I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the there I'm in I'm in I'm in I'm in I'm in I'm in I'm in I'm in the the the theeek I'm the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the suitcase in the hotel, they'd both exploded right. And I said to myself, like out loud, I went, oh there's Hule and Oats everywhere. And then I was like, Hewle and Oats, the band. He'll make my trees come true.

And I really laughed. As I was cleaning Hule and Oates off all of my clothes. I was thinking this is a hilarious situation. That's a wonderful pun. It's a wonderful accidental pun. And you know it's a new pun because Hewle and Oats is quite new? Yeah, exactly. No one's done that before. That's a great pun. Hull and Oates, there's a new pun. My mom and dad are coming to see you, Josh Josh, Josh, Josh, Josh, Josh, Josh, Josh, Josh, Josh, Josh, Josh, Josh, Josh, Josh, Josh, Josh, Josh, Josh, Josh, Josh, Josh, Josh, Josh, Josh, Josh, Josh, Josh, Josh, Josh, Josh, Josh, Josh, Josh, Josh, Josh, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, th. th. th. th. th. th, th, th, th, th. th. th. th. th. th. th, th, th. th. th, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. tha, tha, and, and, and tha, and tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha, and, tha, tha, notes everywhere. So there we go. My mom and dad are coming to see you, Josh. Rob, I'm stressed about that.

Margate, I think they might have seen you by the time this goes out. Do you know what? I find it's stressful when people I know are there, don't you? A little bit. It's all I can do anything. If you could, because obviously you want to do well in front of people you know. Yeah. So if you could click your fingers and it'd be a brilliant show, you would for every show. But that's not possible. So what's the point in thinking about it? Oh so as well, Josh, imagine right? Imagine if, right, you found this little magic potion, you drank it, every show you did, thrown. And every word you said just worked and you had this perfect script that worked every single time and the crowd laughed and every night

got stand innovation and was exactly the same but perfect everyone left when what does the potion do? You just look really sexy would you and you took that potion and life would be so thrown it would it would after about a week you'd love it for a week and then you go what is the it was always the same show you wouldn't take that potion life would be so boring it would it would after about a week you'd love it for a week and then you go what is the fucking point I'm dying of bored of me oh but do you know what Rob I'm drifting off during the show a bit at points because I do know it so well I mean she's got something in common with the audience now hey hey he's the the. Oh, I'm back on fire. Do you want to do an Instagram? Yeah, why not? Do you want to do an email?

I'll tell you, I'll do an Instagram, you do an email, and then we'll introduce our guest. Yeah. I'm just listening to Series 4, episode 5. Have we done 4 series? I've got no idea, mate. That means nothing to me. But it a sweepstake for the date of birth of their kid and I said if you had like the fifth and it was born you could just ask her to change it. Anyway, my daughter now in 15 was born five minutes after midnight the day after her due date, the day after her due date. In my drug state, after the due date as it was less paperwork for them. So her birth certificate says she was born at 2359 on her due day, but she was actually born the following day five minutes later.

To this day, Rachel doesn't know she was actually born a day later. What was I thinking? Oh my word. Do you know my grand? She had, she didn't know whether her birthday was 8th, August 9th or 10th. She just didn't know. It was like, it was a point of debate within the family. They just hadn't, they just couldn't remember or they just kind of lost track. So she never knew whether her birthday was August 9th or 10. Well if there's anyone listening that doesn't know when the birthday is, let us they're just bad. If they's, if, if anyone, if anyone, if their, if their, if their, if their, if their, if their, if their, if their, if their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, it, it, it, it, their, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. th. thi. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. th. thi. thi. thi. th find out for you. Yeah. Do some inquiries, we've got some contacts? Do you know what I've realized, Rob?

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Oh you know in your heart it's not your anniversary. You're sat there going, oh bloody too four years ago today. We're still excited four years ago today. Still excited for life. And you know what's awful, Rob? What's that? Start a relationship. And you're not sure if it's a relationship. And then a big thing, a birthday or a Valentine's Day comes along in the first month or two. Oh, because you don't want to be shit, but you don't want to go overboard. It's such a difficult situation.

Yeah, what do do do do to do do in that? Christmas the same. It basically makes you go, I've got to evaluate now in present form where our relationship has got to. We've got to our guest now, Rob. Oh dear. Oh, it's a great episode, this, to be fair. Yeah, it is incredible. He's such a lovely bloke. Yes. It's such an incredible story. the preconceptions of Premier League footballers, thi th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's, th. It's, th. It's, th. It's, th. It's, th. It's, thi. It's, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, it's thi, it's thi, it's thi, it's thi, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, I. It's, I. It's, I. It's, I. It's, I. It's, I. It's, I. It's, I. It's, I. It's, th. It's, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi.. All preconceptions of Premier League footballers put to one side is a really good man and a good family man and he's going to be a credit to the championship next year when he plays in it with Bolley. Oh come on now Roff. Too harsh. I think Burnley might stay up. I hope so. I'm supporting them now. Yeah I do look out for their results after speaking to Ben because he's such a lovely bloke. Really interesting story is, second child was very early, wasn't it, very premature? Yeah, so we should give a trigger warning. Yes. There's a discussion of premature

birth here. Yes. So, but he's absolutely, he's brilliant on the subject. And well, here he is, Ben May. Ben Me? Hello and welcome Ben Me to the podcast. We're very excited, professional footballer, plays with Burnley, FC. You love sport, don't you, Josh? And we've got a proper sportsman. Let's start with what everyone wants to know. How many keep you happys can you do, Ben? Well thanks for me.

The last time I counted was when I was about 14 I think. Blah-I'm the answer. Yeah, really? I had my mate counting me on the street. Oh, that's a good friend. Ben, I've interviewed a lot of, well, Josh has as well, a lot of athletes and a lot of sports people, especially I did a podcast with a magic sponge of Jimmy Bullard, and I feel like with footballers it's quite weird, they're sort of two very, I don't know where you are on the spectrum because you have the Jimmy Bullard end, sort of like the Lee Hendry sort,

and then I also interviewed Joe Jordan, who I would say is one of the most intimidating and scariest men I've ever met. I don't know if you've ever worked or met Joe Jordan, but he terrified the hell out of me. So I'm trying to work out that where you fit in the Joe Jordan, Jimmy Bullard sort of middle area. I think Joe Jordan's been on the sideline a couple times when I played and yeah, he sort of stands there and sort of tries to be that intimidating that intimidating that intimidating that intimidating that intimidating that intimidating that intimidating that intimidating that intimidating that intimidating that intimidating that intimidating that intimidating that intimidating, nothing like that. I'm not nothing like Jerry Bullard. Yeah, happy middle I think. Maybe more, not towards Bullard, to be fair, probably a bit the other way. So, yeah. We should say, for our listeners that you've got kids. They'll be mad if we're in.

And you haven't got any kids, so we're just going to talk about Burnley here. Right, Rob, Rob, focus. Sorry, sorry, okay, there's a lot of moms and dads out there. Absolutely furious for me going through the... He's got a great record. That's what I'm saying for 12 million. I'll take him at Arsenal. He's a giant meal fitting well with us. Is he? Is he massive? Oh, you love a massive bloke at Burlington. Let's calm down the football chat. three, he's four next month. Yeah, planning a birthday party for him and we've got a little girl who's 20 months.

So yeah, she's causing havoc at the minute, running riot. Oh really? Can't take your eyes off for for a second at the minute, so. Is that that age where they just sort of grab everything? They know what know is, but they've got no sense of danger or anything, you know, climbing on the back of sofas, in covers, pulling stuff out of cupboards, you know, trying to catch him and we're just in the process of getting some things on the cupboards to stop him going in, so I imagine as well you've got a massive footballer out so you'll have loads of cupboards. They're more difficult, the price of being a footballer. Well, I play for Berling the Monster Party going. It's going okay. I don't don't th thain th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th tho tho tho that tho tho tho tho th. Yeah, that's that that' tho tho tho tho tho tho that' that' that' th. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, th. We're just in th. We're just in th. We're th. We're th. We're th. We're th. We're just in th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, thi, thr-in, thr-in, thrown, throoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo' th. Yeah, I's th. We're fair enough. And how's the planning of the four-year-old's birthday party going? It's going okay. I don't know you know Blaze and the Monster Machine, but. No, what's that?

Blaze and the Monster Machine sounds like some sort of drug deal? Yeah, it's some monster truc, and actually he's not been watching it. He's been watching Pepper Pig. plan a kid's birthday like you say he's into Blaze and the Monster Machines but then all of a sudden like you've booked it all when you've booked got all the plates or whatever and then all the toys and then they're into Pepper Pig again so is he is he is off the Monster Machines or is he's still a bit into it? He don't really watch it yeah but he's adamant he wants a monster machine party so that oh that's good oh that's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's that's that's he's he's that's that's he's he's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th the the th the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th the th th thin thin thin thin thooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo th th th around the training ground and that you know like whistling them going along to him and that so you find yourself doing that. Do footballers talk about their kids much? Like I remember like some quote from Christiana Rinaldo where he's like we just talk about our bags and our phones and stuff but would you like

sit around in the dressing room and go yeah he's not sleeping, what would your tips be for like weaning? Do you ever have those kind of conversations? Yeah, I find it's a place to just moan about your kids a little bit in the dressing room. Some of the boys, yeah, I think we've got quite an old squad so most of us do our kids. Yeah. I mean, the other young boys are just talking about gaming and stuff and you know, that's a lifetime. I'm a their their their, their, their, their, their, their, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, to to to to thi, to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to th, th, thi, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, their, their, their, thiiiiiiiii., their, their, thiiiiiiii. thii. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi relate to that in a minute. I just, I can't get into that. We're pretty into our 30s a lot of us, so yeah, we're chatting about kids a little bit. But they're still quite young though. I mean like football, you know, you're only 32 and you've got like, you know,

a four-year-old and a two-year-old and stuff. And a lot of football tea the's the's the a the a lot, you's, you's, the a lot, the a, tha-s, tha-s, tha-s, tha-s, we's, we's, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, to-s, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, to-s, to-s, to-s, to-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-s, to-s, th.......... It's a sort of different culture. Yeah, I think so. I think footballs are more settled in the job, I guess. And they don't have anything else to do, so they might as well have kids. So. Training finishes at 11. Well, yeah, exactly. So I think footballs do start down a little bit early. So, the same age. Couldn't imagine what is 20s were like. And it was tough for you as well as your second because she was, was it 16 weeks, premature?

Yeah, so she was born at 24 weeks. Blatie hell. So yeah, we had a sort of really touching go with her for a little while. She was in hospital for three and a half months. And then she came out on oxygen, so she had oxygen in the house for so yeah it was quite scary so you know we've got through it and she's a really strong little girl. A great character like a real feisty character and yeah you know we feel fortunate for you know the situation we're in now. It makes us a really appreciative of having her around and sort of the dynamics of our family at the minute. What. It was tough, you know, you didn't know what you were going into. We ran the hospital in the morning to try and get a feel of how she was over the night. Sometimes it was good news, sometimes it was she'd had a tough night or a rough night

and the doctor and nurse have been doing a bit of work on her so you kind of, you know, to how she was with you know Sarah come out. So I think for a couple hours you're sat in the corridor to their thumbs or trying to keep yourself busy. Yeah, it was so tough. How old was she when you first got to hold her? Three or four weeks old? Wow. Yeah, but again, I was on our own so to see to see so we so we to see to see to see to see to see to see to see to see to see to see to see to see to see to see to see to see to see to see to see to see to see to see to see to see to see to see to see to see to see her to see her to see to see her to see her to see her to see her to see her to see to see to see to see to to see. So we to see to see. So we to see to see to see to see. So we to see to see to see to see to see to see to see to see to see to see to see to see to see to see to see to see to see to see to see to see to see her. to see her. to see her. to see her. to to to to the her. to the her. her. to to her. to to her. to to to yeah. That was crazy, you know, the nurse handed her to him.

She was so small, you're worried about all the wires and everything, so. Oh God, this is sort of off topic a little bit, and I think this is why people are so angry with all those parties going on like Downing Street is when you're having don't think you need the word allegedly. I don't know, I just camera myself, mate. Yeah, exactly that. It's just infuriating. Yeah, we couldn't even go and see our some meet her for three and a half months as well, so that was frustrating. How did he deal with it? He was really good actually, he was aware and every time we came home he was just so waiting to see her to meet her to meet her to meet her to meet her to meet her to meet her to meet her to meet her. to meet her. to meet her. to meet her. to meet her. to meet her. to meet her. to meet her. to meet her. the to meet her. the to their their their their their. to their their their me me me me me me me me me me me me me me. their. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He was. He was, t. He was. He was. He was, t. He was. He was, t. He was. He was. He was, t. He was. He was. He was, t. He was. He was, t he knew she could come home so he was just sort of waiting to see her really to meet her. Yeah. Did you know anyone that had a premature baby or was there any help

offered or did you could you reach out to anyone or did you just get on with it on your own? Yeah the help the hospitals because everything was sort of locked down and really quiet around the hospitals. Because I think I read Bernardo Silver had a premature baby and did you speak to him a bit about that? Yeah, he's a Man City football. I won't robbing that in. I was just for anyone I don't know. He wins stuff.

He wins stuff. I didn't know you place of NC and Portugal. You get one of the best players in the league. But anyway, Ben, back to you. Well, our first game, back was Man City, so, and we had like, captain's meeting four games with the referee and that and just, you don't say anything really, other than, you know, to say, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, to, their, to, to, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best..., the best. their. their best., to., the., thea.ea., th., thea. thea. thea. their. their best players, their. the best the best there captain, I was our captain and I just mentioned to him about Olive in hospital and I knew that he'd had a little boy, Matio at 24 weeks as well. So I just had a little chat with him and asked him how he was doing the little chaute him and asked him how he was doing the little bit of him and I didn't really know.

because I didn't really know anyone else that early. So just a bit ofthis is going to be okay? Like how many weeks into it did it kind of settle down that it was? I think at different stages always a worry of something else. You move on to sort of the next thing that, you know, landmark she passes. So, um, her eyes or her heart, or anything like that, the next step, the next neuck, she's overcome that. She's lower on oxygen, she's breathing better. So I think once she was off oxygen was the main thing, so she's come out of hospital but you're still worrying about the saturation levels, the oxygen stuff. So, and yeah, so that was the biggest sort of worry I think, her oxygen levels, once she come out of hospital. How much did she weigh when she was born? She was one pound two ounces. Oh my god. She was she was the the... Don't forget the two. Yeah. Yeah. Blind me, one pound two. Because it's like, you know,

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That's all I'm saying, because he has to carry this mess on top all around basically. Have you done that machine in the gym, Rob, where you like push with your legs, the weight? The weight. The leg press? The the leg press. The leg press. thap. that's. that's. thap. that's. that's. thap. th. th. th. I I I I I I I I's. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm that's. I'm th. I'm that's that's that's th. I'm that's that's that's that's that I'm that I'm that I'm that I'm that I'm that I'm that I'm that I've that I've that's I's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's I I I I I I I I I I I I I I that's. I that's. I I that's. I that's. I that's. I's. I that's. I's. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I've th. I've th. I've th. I've th. I've th. I've th. I've th. I've thoooooo. I've th. I've th. I've th. I'm all right of that, but I'm not suggesting that I've got stronger legs and bend me. But what I'm saying is, it is a workout. But you're not rolling it out. All I'm saying is, a two-year-old kid is heavier than you think. And then when you're trying to get it around a corner and you're going up and up and a tr-a-a-a-li Saturday. Um, bump in. Yeah, lovely. We had a bit of football, the little man. And then I took him to archery, my wife took a little girl to some messy play class and yeah.

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But when you can take go to a holiday with a swimming pool, six and four minor, that is the first time we've been able to sort of relax on a holiday. Sorry to break that to you, you've got two more years of hell. It's much easier than me. I've like we've been in the trenches for a couple years and that you're just getting a glimpse over it so you're not quite out of it. Your son's still in the trench covered in nettles but you're out of it. With the dog up the eel. So that was your winter break from the football? Yeah all the Premier League are in Maldives and Dubai and I was rocking up a hill in centre parks. Have you the thenegotiating a contract back? Well, yeah, I might think about it.

I don't really want to go into negotiation with Sean Daesh. He looks a bit scary. He thinks he's funny, didn't he, Sean Dash? He has a few quips, do you? He does think he's funny, yes. Do you think he did use to eat worms? He has a few. Have you?

All right, he's eating worms, just for banter. That was early days. It was in his early days. Not there for. Not now, he's matured. He don't eat worms no more. What's it like, because as a football, you've got to quite a lot of time with your kids? Yeah I'm lucky because I live where I'm from so I live with my family some of the lives

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And then, yeah, just went from there and enjoyed it and I wanted to do it more and more. Do you think that's where he's heading? Would you want him to be a footballer or would you rather him something? I'm not bothered. I don't really, I know how how how how how how how how how how how how how how how how how how how how how how how how how it is is is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is. but I'm trying to get into all sorts of sports, taking, playing tennis and doing all sorts of other things as well, than just trying to focus on one thing. And what about your daughter? She's two, two years old, but can you, I don't think like, with my daughter who isn't as, you can just tell that my son is so much more tu' theu. And so much more kind of rough and th and th and th th th and th th th th th th thrun, th, th, th, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's two, she's two, she's two, she's, she's, she's two, she's two, she's two, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's two, she's two, she's two, she's two, she's two, she's two, she's two, she's two, she's two, she's two, she's two, she's two, she's two, she's two, she's two, she's two's two's two's two's two's two's two's two's two's two, she's two, she's two, she's two, she's two, she's two, she's two, she's she's like as a character. Yeah I think she's um she's tougher than Jackson I think so for than than the son like really determined she's been kicking football she watches kick a football around so she's they're

trying to kick the football as well so she just gets involved and get stuck in and I think an attitude a little bit similar to myself just just get on with it do you go We have been to a few birthday parties, yeah, three birthday parties. Who's in your little your little parenting crew? So I've got Nick Pope down the road for me. He's got a couple of kids similar age to myself. Matt Lowden. He's got quite a few kids. Quite a few kids. Quite a few. I lost count. He's got only four so. Yeah, are you going to do any more or two enough for you? Four's too many in it. Yeah I think after our experience that we've just had I think we'll just see how it goes. Yeah there's no no pressure from me to have anymore. Yeah. No yeah. You're absolutely. You're quite happy. You're quite happy. I just google about

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So you do stay in a hotel before every game. There's never a situation where you're like up with a kid at 4 a.m. You're like, mate, I'm playing Liverpool tom of time jogging in. I'm not a spare room on a home game. But even then you can sort of hear the kids if they're up in the night. You're aware of it. Oh, mate. Shut up. And is your partner a bit more resentful?

She understands of that because Lou will always go, oh, you've got a busy day. to look after kids in the morning before that busy day. No, she's very, very understanding now, Jess. She's a little bit. She didn't know. It's hard because on the day before a game, on the day of a game, she's constant looking after the kids. Yeah. I'm sort of focused on the game, and then I've played the game and I'm not going to be with the kids. the try.. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the tho. thoy. the th the the the the the their. their their their their their their little. their day. the day. their little bit. their little bit. their little bit. their little. their little. the day. the day. the day. the day. Yeah, she's. Yeah, the day. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'm. I'm. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'll. I'm. I'm. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not try and make up for it. So I try and do that a lot and try and make up for her being with the kids for the two days. Yeah, that's what we do, sort of trade off. Yeah, she's really good. Have you had any sort of like long injuries when you've had the kids at home?

I've done all the other room and I was there in my foot up and can you get me a glass of water like that and she walked in holding a baby while the other one was crying round the legs and went to me you need to get better or die. I was taking tablets to try and sort of ease the pain and stuff but I was just I couldn't use it for three or four weeks around the house so I was trying because I wanted to play the games and stuff I was strapping it all for games and trying to get through games and I was like I can't change that piece I can't you know I just couldn't do it so. I was playing it a little bit but yeah I to try and throwne. I need I need I need I need I need I need I need I need I need I need I need I need I need I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need to get to get to get it's I to get it's I to get it's I to get it's I to get it I need it I need it I need to get to get it I need to get to get it right right right right right right right right right right right right I need to get it I need to get it I need to get it right it right it I need to get it right it right it I need to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get it right right right it I to get it I to get it I to get it I to get it I to get it I to get it's I to get it's I to get it I to get it right it right I to get it right I to get it right I to get it right I to get it right I to get it right I to get it right I to get it right I need to get it right I need to get it just moved between teams you don't think any of it and then when you grow up you go God it's a huge decision. Say you get to the end of this contract and then Southampton offer for you and that would be a huge move for your family and all that kind of stuff. How much does it come into footballers minds these kind of their family? Because obviously you're one club man for the last kind of 10 years, but that's what's so rare.

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There's definitely one that's in your head now. There's definitely one that's... Nah, I can't say. You won't say, rather that you like the leadership of being a team captain? Have you transferred any of those skills to try and keep your kind of children in line? I guess so, yeah, I guess you kind of do you. I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know an example, but I don't know. I don't know if you of what sense. Do you wear your captain's armband when you're playing with a guitar? Yeah all the time. All the time. Let him know who's boss.

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like three times, five times maybe? What's the highest? the spinner? And then you got like a 250, 350 pound, obviously double it. And that's probably the highest thing you can get. That's great fun to watch though, isn't it? Someone's like, you're getting a spinnerer. Oh, it's really good fun. We used to have forfeits, which was better.

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see you later. I've got it. I've got to get it to play so just cut it short and yeah, the problems I know it's going. A phone's ban then in the dressing room from a certain time? Or could you check your phone at half times? No. the the phone? the phone? to th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. their. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. to to to to to to to to to that that thathea. to to to to to to that's, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I's, I's, I'll, I'll, I'm, I'm, I'm the the that. the that. they. that they. they. We's, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, that, uh, uh, that, uh, they. Yeah, uh, uh, I'm, I'm, uh, I No, I won't do that. No, I just want to switch off and yeah, not think about anything other than the game. But no, in the hotel or before, you know, to get to the stadium, I'm calling the families or whatever, making sure tickets are all right as well and stuff and make sure I'm unsorted for tickets and their tickets and yeah, I'm so I thii's their their their their their their their their their like you've got like a booking and you know I swear I didn't fucking touch him I swear because now you can literally go on Twitter and find it in seconds. You could. I genuinely when you said that wrong I thought you meant like for a restaurant like I'm not sure I'm gonna make it tonight for 7pm I'm not sure I'm gonna make it to go and to. It's gonna. It's go. It's go. It's go. It's go. It's go. It's go. It's go. It's go. It's go. It's go. It's go. It's go. It's go. It's go. It's go. It's go. It's go. It's go. It's go. It's go. It's go. It's go. It's go into. It's go in to go into. It's go into. It's go into. I'm to go into. I'm to go. I'm to go. I'm to go. I'm to go. I'm to go. I'm to go. I'm to go. I'm to go. I'm to go. I'm to go. I'm to go. I'm to go. I I'm to to to to to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the touch. I's go. I'm touch. I'm touch. I'm touch. I'm to. I'm to. I'm to. I swear. I'm to. I swear. I'm touch. I'm to. I'm touch. I'm touch. Ithat as off you. I thought you'd have been that as off you. You scored a worldie. I just want to go and check it and that and stuff. Hey guys, look at this, watch this.

That's not really a massive problem for you though, Ben, is it? No offense, no offense. No, you're not wrong. 11 goals? Who scored in 11 goals, man? Yeah, that's not my thoughts. Have you got any other questions, Josh, before we finished with the final one? Yeah, I did want to just, what I really respect is when we were talking to you about your daughter being born and you're like, I'm more than happy to talk about it and I feel like I'd talk about any time. And did you feel like a duty having been through that, to talk about this so that other people people, to to to talk about this so that other people have that as a resource maybe if they're going

through it and is that feeling for you as a kind of public figure? Yeah, definitely. Something that I wish that was there at that time was somebody speaking about it and just to sort of hear someone's story, positive story really about it and stuff. So I feel like me speakingabber Silver and me speaking to him hopefully for them that's sort of reading what I've been through and I've done a few articles and calls on it as well so I've done a bit of responsibility to do that as well I wanted to do it as well I quite you know I find it athat sort of work with that? Is there any where they could go? Yeah, well I've been doing a lot of work with Tommy's charity, they have a Twitter.

And what's it? What's it? Sorry? Tommies? Yeah, Tompies. T-O, W-M-Ys. miscarriages, stillbursts, and any sort of bereavement with babies and support through that as well. So we do a fantastic job as well. Oh brilliant. That's great show, that's Tommy's charity, Tommy's. That's the charity, Tommy's. Tommy's dot I think the website is.

Yeah, sure. You're so good at Google, I didn't even see your fingers move. Oh, mate. doing all the hacking. They just upload shit well quick. You know, then pull USBs out without checking. Fuck it. I'll do it for them. The final question, is there one thing about the way your wife, parents that annoys you that you don't really want to bring up in case you have a row? Or is she absolutely perfect in every way, Ben? Of course, that goes about saying. I guess one thing is you know when when your kid falls over or bangs himself and that and she does this intake of breath or

you know like oh yeah the kids absolutely fine yeah and they hear that and it's terror on the face and they think I've hurt myself I've heard myself and then they start right in absolutely fine but yeah it's the tendenity to do that or you know make them noise oh yeah oh you're the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their their tend. their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their is is is is is is is is their is their. their is. their is. their. tend. tend. tend. tend. tend. tend. tend. tend. tend. tend. tend. tend. tend. tend. tend. tend. tend. t yeah. Oh, you're in a ditch, no way! Oh my God, that must really hurt. You're not crying, are you sure about that? I'm glad she wasn't there for that anyway. I know, fair. Oh, Ben, thank you so much.

It's been so nice to talk to you. No, thank Yeah, good. I think you've got a good run. I think we'll be all right, New striker. Yeah, we need to get out of it, so yeah, it'll be alright. I can't believe I'm saying this because I went to Turfmore and watch Plymoth get relegated in 1998 and I've hated Burnley ever since but you've turned me around. Good man. Just 24 years it took me. to took to to to to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be th. to be th. th. to be th. th. th. to be to be to be th. to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be th. to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. the. the. te. te. te. te. te. te. I te. I te. I te. I te. I te. I to to. I th it. Ben Me there. I love Ben Me. What a lovely bloke. I'm now going to be following Burnley for the rest of the season. Yeah, I want him to stay up now because of Ben Me.

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and family but I'm gonna say it now Rob I had a lovely evening singing dancing queen at number ten and I just carry it makes I'll be willing on Burnley to win the, win the league. Obviously it's not going to happen, just sort of survive the league. That's not going to happen. It was Tommy's. It's the charity, he said, which would be good to get in touch. Well give that a shout out. It's on Instagram and Twitter. Yeah, it's sort of just helping people with baby loss and things like that. So, yeah, great charity to support. Well done, Ben Mee, and Josh, I'll see you on Tuesday.

See you on Tuesday. Goodbye. Bye. Bye. I'll tell you what's upset me now. Why is it 2 pounds 50 to cross the Dartford crossing? It's a bridge. You should have to to cross a bridge I'd rather swim and also why do you get fine when you forget to pay it you have to remember to pay it you are getting

fined for failing a memory test it should be illegal I tell what I can't stand loud typists in cafes on trains how hard you need to hit the keyboard sounds like you're smashing it with a sledgehammer what that people run down the park with their prams what's you doing th what th what you you you you you you you you you th what you you you th you th you th you th the th th th th th th th to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their to their their to to te. I te. I te. I tell tell tell tell tell their te. I to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to toir prams. What are you doing? Ah, yoga in public. Stop it! These are the sort of things that upset us, and we talk about them on our podcast, What's Upset You Now, which is back every Tuesday and Thursday. We have a guest on every Tuesday and Thursday,

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