Parenting Hell with Rob Beckett and Josh Widdicombe - S04 EP24: Kate Ferdinand

Episode Date: April 15, 2022

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Nisprosso. Discover a world of possibilities with or without milk. Visit Nisproso.C.A. to learn more or a Nesproso boutique near you. Hello, I'm Rob Beckett. And I'm Josh Winnockham. Welcome to Parenting Hell, the show in which Josh and I discuss what it's really like to be a parent, which I would say can be a little tricky. So, to make ourselves and hopefully you feel better about the trials and tribulations of modern-day parenting, each week we'll be chatting to a famous parent about how they're coping. Or hopefully how they're not coping. And we'll also be hearing from you the listener with your tips, advice, and of course,

tales of parenting woe. Because let's be honest, there are plenty of times where none of us know what we're doing. Hello you're listening to Parenting Hill with Say Rob. Beckett. And can you say Josh? Whitton? Wales.

Wales. There we go. Yes Swansea. Swansy. Yes Swansea. Yes. This is Arabella who's 17 months. Great night. I love the podcast got me through the hardest of lockdown days and even more so now we're all stuck in with the vid and a teething toddler. Oh no. Saw Josh and Swansey last weekend, love the show. Hope to see you both in Cardiff next year as it's on my 30th birthday. Woohoo. I'm doing Swansea this year. Why are you coming to that? Go to Swansea this year. They're stuck inside with the vid, mate. Which venue did you do? I'm doing the arena. Yeah. Yeah. I know. I I I I I I I I I I I the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm thirty. I'm doing. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I's th. I's th. I's th. I's th. I's th. I's th. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm thirty. thirty. thirty. thirty. thirty. thirty. thirty. thirty. thirty. thirty. thirty. thirty. I'm th. I'm th. I'm off the, it's so new Rob, it wasn't even open when I got off the train. Really? Yeah. Wow. Yeah. So new, yeah, it's a new one. I'm doing. So I don't know. I was

Swansea Grand, is that what was called? Yes.'s just this long lens picture of you and Catherine Ryan. Gavin Park, big media scoop. I don't think it should be up for that Catherine as a like a sort of PR stunt. We could pretend to have an affair just for and then actually we just go no not really but our shows are on sale and that drackle. Exactly. Yeah, exactly. We'll be making a big announcement about our relationship at Swansea Arena when it opens. Yeah, exactly. But it's a big Cyril ceremony, you're all invited. When are you doing Swansea, Rob? May time. May time.

Sometime in May. You'll be all the first people having to play it. Well yeah, it's sort of the last few of my tour that's been rescheduled. I started about nine years ago. Swansea the 12th of May. Um, how are you Rob? How is Disneyland? You don't know yet because we just record. This is the last one before you go to Disneyland. Yeah, the last one, last pre-record. I'm just gonna go and pack it now.

How far off getting in the car to go are you at this moment? At the moment it's 20 to 11. This is Saturday. We've booked like a little room at Premier Inn. So we're getting picked up at 4.30 today. I haven't packed yet. We should be done here about 1230. So I got a couple of hours to pack, but I couldn't bring myself to pack, because I wouldn't enjoy it until I had the test done. So we're a little bit behind sketch, but I couldn't bear to pack and start to get over excited about it. What's your hotel? What's what what what what what what was? What was? What was? What was? What was? What was? What was? What is? What is? What is? What is? What is? What is? What's? What's? What's? What's? What's? What's? What's? What's? What's? What's? What's? What's? What's? What's? What's? What's? What's? the hotel? the hotel? the hotel? to? to? to? to? to? to? to? to to to to to to to to? to? to? to? to to to to to to to to to to to to? to? to? to? the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th? th. th. th. th. th. th. thi? the? the the the? the the the? the the the? the the? the th States? Two double beds, one room in a hotel. And so does that mean when your children go to sleep, you can go to sleep? You have to go to sleep? Yes, so basically, but our experience from Disney last time is you're knackered at the end of a day. So you're going to go out at 8.30.

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I've never been a to a pint and no offence but some terrible food at the Premier Inn. Yep, fair enough. I don't think that anyone's going to take offense at that. I think that's accepted by the Premier Inn. Yeah. Even when there, you know, Lenny Henry did the advedur. He didn't mention dinner. Really? Yeah, I love getting smashed on a plane. What on your own? Yeah. So what do you do? Just sit and drink alone?

No, no, I'll ring me mates to get them to meet me half-way. Fancy one just over the beauty, just over the Atlantic, do you? Yeah, so you're half out. No, but I'm not, I'm not getting like, boot like, I'll have like a few beers and try, I'll, I'll, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I, I, I'll, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I'll, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, to, to, to, to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to, to, to, to, to, tory the little drinks with like while watching a film or whatever. Yeah, yeah. It's nice, isn't it? Not absolutely hammered, but I wouldn't with kids and normally when you, but we're getting picked up in a cab so I'll have a couple of drinks, I'll probably have a bloody try and drink. I'll probably have a bloody mary because it's an early flight. So if it's an early flight and have a bloody like, maybe the cheeky drinks, like a couple, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, but, but, but, but th, but th, but th, but th, but th, but th, but th, but we th. But, but we th. But, but we're, but we're, but we're th. But, but we're th. But, but we're thi, but we're thi, but we're th. But, but we're th. But, but we're th. But, but we're th. But, but we're th. But, but we're th. But, but we're, but we're, but we're, but we're, but we're, but we're, but we're, but we're, but we're, but we're, but we're, but we're, but we're, but we're, but we're, but we're, but we're, but we're, but we're they. they. they're they're they're they're they're they're they're getting, but we're getting, but we're getting, but we're getting, but we're getting, but we're getting, th. thi. thi. thi. they're getting, but we're getting, but we're th. whatever food they give you and then try and sleep. Yeah, fair enough. Do you think I can sleep up right? I'm fine. Can you? I can sleep anywhere? How can you sleep up right? I meant I got in the back of a a I. I was going to do it on tour and the tour manager has got this like people carrier thing and it's a lay back in it. You're quite upright like a minibus. And I literally sat in it, put my head down, and I woke up on the M4, which is about an hour and a half from my house.

I literally woke up and I was in Bracknell. And it was the closest I've ever been to teleportation. What was this? Pre-or post kids? Yes, pretty much because I'm exhausting now and just learning to sleep when you can. Because you know, our diaries, when you do our job, you're sort of awake a long time. So you could be doing office work or meetings in the day, but then gig in late at night, 10 or 11. And then you're driving home till 2, 3 in the morning. So I'm very good at sleeping when I need to do breathing, I'll do breathing and listen to something calming just to try and have a little almost like a conscious power nap. Right. And that to try and just calm down and

breathe kind of thing. But actually I got so good at being calm and breathing. I've been going on stage too relaxed and I've been going on stage to relax and I've been to stressed and it was actually worse and to stress. You can't go on stage ro' to that. to that's the they they they they they th. th. th. th. the. the. the. the. the. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the. the. the. the. the. the. try. try. try. try. try and just just just just try and just try and just try and just try and just try and just try and just try and just just to to to. When you're not nervous, that's when you are shitest as a comedian. Not you, I mean one. True, when you're not nervous or you're too nervous. So it's a balancing act of, you want to be calm before you do something that's stressful, but when you're doing that thinne, that either being like, I'm on these so seriously? Can we talk about someone fucking falling over or something or doing a shit somewhere? Yeah, do you want some emails? Yeah, come on. Okay, let me find.

But yes, large. I'll talk about Bill Gates' access to computer and the impact that ad on his career. Fuck off. Yeah, but we soon missus will kill me for telling you this. So shall we go with it? Oh yeah. But down to running on absolute empty when my daughter was only a few months old. Here you go, some sleep. Middle of the night she's screaming and needs a bottle. So I run in turn the light up to help me see, only to find I'd filled her entire ear with formula.

Oh, I've done the ear before. Actually, football, yeah, watching the England game. She was sat in a high chair and I didn't realize it was in the ear. Oh, God. He did a whole bottle in the ear. He did three minutes in other ear. That's bollocks. No, yeah, I've ended that being myself. I believed you! I was like, that is bollocks. Don't ring up with shit, don't lie to us.

Ring up. Email in, whatever is you done, send a message. That is from Mitch. Oh God, Rob the England game. I'm now worrying again about Lapland on the day England play Wales, Scotland or the Ukraine. You've got enough months to saw that out mate. Just ring Lapland and try and move the date. Yeah, about the first. And then we'll go, I can't tell you the reason. Well yeah, if it's a night game, you might tell you the thi. to the th. Well. Why the night. th. th. th. th. thin. thin. thin. thin. thin. thi. thi. thi. thi. they. they. thi. to be they. to be they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. to. to. to go. to go. to go. to go. to go. to go. to to to to to to they. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thin. thin. thi. thi. thi. toee. thi. toe. toe. toea. toea. toea. toea. toe. toe. the thea. the thea. toea. toe. toe. toe. toe not the time to get into it. Okay. Laplawn might put a screen up. That'd be fun. I don't want to watch it with Father Fucking Christmas mate. He must be quite stressed watching the World Cup draw. It's like a job sheet. Oh I've got to go there again. Hi Robin Josh. Just to further Rob's anxiety about rides, I have one word to save your life. Go on. YouTube. My 12 year old daughter is exactly the same but now watches the rides on

YouTube prior to a visit and then knows that she'll be safe on and what she still doesn't fancy. Okay, that's a good so there's no anxiety because you know what turns are coming. Yeah, this would have helped with a Disney Dan Paris visit when age five. When she. I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I th. I have th. I have th. I have th. I have th. I have th. I have th. I have th. I have th. I have th. I have th. I have th. I have th. I have th. I have th. I have have one have one th th th. I have one have one th. I have one have one have one have one have one have one have one have one have one have one one have one the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. I have one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one. I have one one. I have one. I have one. I have one. I have one. I have one. I have one the th. I have one the the the good so the end is no anxiety because you know what turns are coming. Yeah this would have helped with a Disneyland Paris visit when age five when she insisted she wanted to ride the Finding Nemo themed crushes coaster. I desperately wanted to go on it but didn't think it would be suitable for her. My husband however pushed forward and I was left with a two-year-old. Imagine my horror when 15 minutes later part of a thrown. th. to. th. to. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. th. I thi. I thi. I was thi. I was thi. I was thiol-in, I was thi thi thi. I was thiol-in, thiol-in' the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thi, thi, thi, th. th. th. th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I thi. I thi. I thi. I was thi. I was thi. thi. thi. thi thi thi thioleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee just saw her terrified face being thrashed around at 50 miles an hour traveling backwards I can still see her traumatized face coming out of their ride howling loudly basically on her hands and knees dot dot dot dot hilarious exclamation mark I think I think I think with rides you cut there's no point rushing them yeah

anyway genuinely YouTube okay I'll try YouTube you cut, there's no point rushing them. Yeah. Anyway, genuinely, YouTube may help you. Okay, I'll try YouTube. Brilliant. Well, should we introduce our guests then, Josh? Yes. And then, yeah, next one, the next episode, I'll be able to discuss disane. For everyone who's interested, if you're not, don't listen to it.

But it'll be good to have a little rundowne. no anecdotes. Fair enough. Are you doing anything on our little Easter break? Are you just with the kids? Well I've cancelled my birthday because it's too cold. Oh yeah that's sad isn't it? What's your birthday? I was going to have birthday? I was going to have birthday drinks in my garden with the pizza oven Rob. Yes, oh yes, your message is that going to be today? Yeah, because that's what you're sorry. Is your birthday today? When it was when it was snowing on on Thursday I thought I'm not sure this is the week for it. Sorry, is it happy birthday today? No, it's next week. Oh, okay, yeah, I knew that. Happy birthday for next week, Josh. Thanks mate. And then I'm going on a st shit about birthdays minor anyone else's is that me it mean Rose asked me what I wanted and I thought I really I don't know do you know what I want everyone to fuck off and leave me alone you the kid now I don't want to go for the lunch with you and the kids I want you

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This is Kate Ferdinand. A really good interview. She hasn't do many podcasts launching, which is great and she talks about being the step-mum to some children and having her biological child. She's got her own podcast launching, which is great, and she talks about being the step-mom to some children and having her biological child. She's married to Rio Ferdinand, who is obviously very famous football, but also, unfortunately, his first wife passed away. And it's quite a bit of a trigger warning for anyone with this, because we talk about grief and looking after being a step-parent and stuff, but he's really interesting, really funny, but there are moments if you are dealing with stuff like that,

it might be a bit tricky for you. So just a heads up, but here's Kate Ferdinand, and I think she talks brilliantly on what is quite sensitive subject. Kate Ferdinand, welcome to the podcast. How are you? Thank you so much. How are you guys? We're very good. Very excited to have you on. Lots of, do you know what? Lots of people when I've said we're doing this interview, have gone, that is a good booking.

That is gonna be a good one. We've had lots of requests for you Kate. They do know you. You're very popular, Kate. You're doing amazing things for blended families, which I've been told people, about about about about about about about yeah no we're very excited to have you on and how are you though for people listening what's your set up indoors with kids how many kids in the house okay right so I have there's four kids in the house yes I've got three step

children Lorenz is 15 tea is 13 tear is 10 and and then I've got my biological son Cree who's maybe 14 or 15 months bad that I can't remember. 14 or 15 months you put me in the topic. It's only a month I thought you're gonna go maybe three or four years old I can't remember that would be. I've got the years right don't so you've got you're a step mum to those three kids and then you've got your own son you you you you you you you you you you you you you're you're th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th to to to to to to the their their their their their to to their to their to to to to to to to their to to their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their th their th. th. the. I te. I te. I te. I te. I te. I tea. I tea. I'm te. I'm te. I'm te. I'm te. I'm tethree kids, and then you've got your own son. And that must be hard, though, having that you've got to deal with the teenagers, but then also baby age, because it's quite a jump, isn't it?

It's a mad dynamic. And we were just talking about this the te't keep you awake, well they do sometimes keep you awake at night. Yeah. But I worry a lot more about the teenagers. The teenagers give you the sleepless nights, the babies just drive you mad all day. Oh that's not what I want to hear. I thought we were getting through the difficult bit, Rob. Oh no, Kate, you're on here for hope. This is not ideal. Sorry, sorry guys. I'm starting to disagree disagree disagree disagree disagree disagree disagree disagree disagree disagree disagree disagree disagree disagree disagree disagree disagree disagree disagree disagree disagree disagree with th th th th th to disagree disagree disagree disagree with th th th th th to disagree disagree disagree disagree with th th th th th th th th to disagree with th to disagree with all these people that said this was going to be a good episode, this is going to be the end of me. Everyone thinks they get easier with age, but with a kid's different age, different problems isn't it? Yeah. And how old do you when you, because their dad Rio, how old was you when you were with

Rio, like what age did you meet them? Okay, so I met Rhea, I think I was 26. Wow that is young, isn't it? To be a stepmom, isn't it? I seem that's intense. It was intense, it was crazy. And I think where I hadn't had children before, I thought, don't worry, I'll breeze it. It's fine. I really underestimated the job ahead. It's hard, but listen, at the end day I wouldn't have a to to to to to to be to be to be the job. It. It's to be to be the the job. It's to be to be to be the to be the the to be to be the the job. It's to be to be to be to be to be a to be a to be a to be a to be a to be a to be a to be to be to be to be to be to be a to be a to be a to bea. I'm to bea. I'm to bea. I'm to bea. I to be to be to bea. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I'm to be a to bea. I'm to be a to bea. to bea. the the. the. thea. tea. tea. tea. toe. toe. toe. toe. I it any other way. It's an absolute mental house if you come around here. It's crazy 24-7, so many personalities, a baby screaming, oh it's just, it's mad. But it's amazing at the same time. So you said like before that you kind of, you thought I'll breeze this. What was it like the kind of first, did you, you must have heavily planned the first time you met these kids right?

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so when did when you kind of start becoming Rio's partner does that put you in a weird position with them where you didn't know how to address them do you move you must have moved over time into this kind of position of authority almost but it must be a long journey. Oh yeah you know at at the beginning the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. the. the. the. the. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the. theeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeat. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the, but it must be a long journey. Oh yeah, you know at the beginning I suppose I was just their friend, I was the fun one whenever we went out with dad, we'd do fun stuff and I'd bring sweets around and I was that kind of person. But I always was quite firm from the beginning actually, just because they're three kids and you've just got to rain them in sometimes haven't you? Yeah, you're outnumbered.... the the the the their their their th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th th th th th th th th th th th th th that's that's that's that's that's that' tho' thi that's that' tho' tho' tho' th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I's th. I's th. I's th. I's th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I's th. I's th. I's th. I's th. I'm just just just just just just just just just just just thi. I'm just thi. I'm just thateea' thatea' thatea' thatea'a'er. I'm just just thatea' thatea' thia' thi. I'm just thi. you've just got to rein them in sometimes haven't you? They gang up on you after a while. Yeah you're outnumbered. Even my two little girls already, they're only little and they started bashing me up and tickling me and I can't stop them. You've got lots more to come because the older

they get, it's smarter they get. They try and outsmart you. But yeah I house was when I kind of maybe moved over to a bit more authority. It was hard, they probably thought, who is this woman coming and telling us what to do? We've been breezing it before, but at the same time, it helped give them like structure, I think, and boundaries, and although kids don't know this, I feel like they do thrive off of that and they become more, with their mom, they always had a lot lot, like, like, like, like, like, like, their, their, their, thii.... So, thi, thi, th. So, thr-a, thr-a, thr-a, thr-a, thr-a, thr-a, thr-a, their, their, thrown, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, th.. And, thr, thr, thr, thrown, thrown, thrown, thrown, to, thr-a, thrown, thr-a, thrown, thr-a, thrown, their, their, their, their with their mom they always had a lot of structure, she'd picked them up from school, it was all very regimented and I just brought a little bit more of that so I felt that that made them feel a bit more at ease. I think kids love structure and they love to know like who's picking them up or when they're coming home and when they've had that so much, you know, the whole world, you're, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, so much, so much, so much, so much, so much, so much, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, so more, so more, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, their, so, so, so, some, some, some, some, some, some, some, some, some, somea, somea, somea, somea, some, some, some, some, some, some, some, some, some, so of a sudden you know their dad's sort of really happy and then they're meeting the woman with the dog and it's sort of a distraction and everything's a bit more fun I think actually that that sort of someone there who's quite solid and will be he's there every day and and that

regularity I think really helps isn't it? Yeah they need that stability and it was it was hard at the beginning and the th was and th was th was th was th w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w wa th is th is th is th is th is the th is the the. the. the. the. theat is the. thi thi the. that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th the the the the the the is the is the is the is the is the is the is the is the. the is the is the. theee is thee. the is the. the is tried to just get to know the kids. It wasn't just about me and Rio. It was about having my relationship with the children as well and finding out about them, doing things that they loved and ganging up on their dad sometimes they find that quite funny. Yeah, I bet. Yeah. Just, just getting to know them really. And that's how we formed our relationship I suppose. Would you a bit worried about you know having when you had Cree

like bringing in another sort of like a sibling and child and into the family? Would you ever concerned about that or were their kids just straight away excited and buzzing for it? They were really excited the kids but I was really really worried. I was thinking you know Cree's going to call me mom. I haven't really been mom in this house. I'm always Kate and that works well. But now I'm going to be mommy and how they're going to cope with that and what do I do? It was more me that was worried. The kids weren't really shy of me those signs. But I just bought loads of books, you know, like for Tia, when I'm going to big sister and she was part of everything she bought his first outfit to come home in. So that's nice.

Again I just made them part of the whole process it's not like mine and Rio's things. It's not like mine and Rio's things. It's not like our family thing. Yeah of course. Did you feel though when the baby came that you obviously you can't give the older kids as much attention because they're off going to thing and thing and thing and thing and thing and thing and thing and thing and thing and things and things and things and things and things and things and things things things things things things be sort of like spread a bit too thin. Oh my god thin, seriously, spread so bloody thin, oh my gosh. I remember it was like I think I was in the hospital for five days and then it was maybe like three days before Christmas I came out. Now I'm normally like dancing

around the house singing Christmas songs I'm a bit crazy and I just remember I had an emergency C-section I don't want to graphic but it wasn't ideal. We love all details here this is the place for if you're gonna be graphic about your C-section this is the podcast and I don't say that lightly. That's what we built this podcast for right Josh that's the only reason we're doing it mate so to the the only reason we're doing it mate so to the to the too I I I I I I I I I I I the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the to be to be to be to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the to to to to to me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me to make I to make I to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the to the the the the the the the the the the the the the to to to to to to to to to to to to to toe. I'm to to to to to to to really pick him up or do too much with him because I was in a bit of a bad way. And I just felt so guilty on the kids. I just felt tremendous guilt. I felt like I couldn't be who I needed to be for all of them. But I think I'll put that pressure on myself. I always put pressure on myself to be perfect and the best and it's just the best the best the best a lot about like, you know, what you do for the kids or how you make them kind of feel comfortable with it. There's this whole other side of it, obviously, which is that you're someone who's in her

kind of mid to late 20s and you're taking on these three kids, like and taking on this whole kind of family, this kind of ready-made family. And that's a th on you, and that's a huge thing to suddenly go, oh, I've gone from being single to this whole thing. And that must have been quite tough for you to deal with as well, right? Yeah, when I look back, it was hard. It was hard, but I've got this mentality that, you know, I love Rio, then this has to work because I want to be part of everything. I wouldn't want to be like a half-hearted step-mom. If I love him, I love the kids, I just need to be part of everything and do what's best for them.

So it was hard and God, there's still up and down sometimes because the children have been through so much. But that's just my life now I suppose and I'm just so happy and grateful to have them. Do you talk to them about their mom and stuff like that? Is that a really, that must be a really difficult thing to kind of know how to broach and deal with? Do you know what, their mom is a massive part of our lives and always will be? I would never want the children to think that I'm taking the role of the their their mom's their mom and so she is part of our life all the time and we talk about her all the time I spoke about this

before I say it's really weird but I kind of feel like I know her because for me to be the best parent to my three stepchildren I feel like I need to know her and know what she would do and be able to speak to the children about her. So yeah, I embrace all of that. Yeah. And is Mother's Day a difficult day for you and the family? Oh God, my first podcast just so you know is based around Mother's Day and it's a really emotional episode where I speak about my struggles and we hear from lots of other women that struggle. Yeah. Okay, so normally I find it really hard because Rio's lost his mom and the kids have lost their mum. And it's and it th and it th and it th and it th and it th and it's th and it's th. And it's th. And it's th. And it's th. And it's their th. And it's th. And it's th. And it's th. And it's th. And it's th. And it's th. And their their th. And th. And their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their, their, their, their, their, their, their, to. to. today, te. te. today, te. today, te. today, their, their, their, their, their, hard because Rio's lost his mum and the kids have lost their mum. And it was hard for me when I wasn't a biological parent. But last year was my first Mother's Day with Curry and I thought, bloody hell it's the hardest

one yet. Because I kind of felt this feeling of, oh my god, it's my first official kind of thing, mother's day with Cree and I want to be celebrated and well. But at the same time, oh my god, everyone in my house had such a big loss and I just couldn't balance it. I was an emotional wreck last Mother's Day, really, really bad. But I think it's more just, you know, I'll worry about everyone. Because you feel guilty and you shouldn't feel guilty because you're allowed, you should be allowed to be excited about that with your baby and stuff, but it must be difficult in the house. Yeah, it's just a balance to find.

But actually, this Mother's Day, I've never said this ever, I'm actually quite looking forward to it because we're just going to have all the family and just have all the family around. And I think the more you add pressure on the day that it's mother's day, it's moved, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's Mother's Day, it just reminds you of everything that everyone's lost. So you're just going to have a day with the family and just enjoy it that way and hopefully it'll be okay. Your podcast called Blended, which is where you interview other people that are in similar kind of situation or different kind of blended family situations and when did you think this kind of became a thing that you wanted to really not just throw yourself into the family but feel like like th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. When th. When th. When th. When th. th. th. th. thi, thi, thi, the the thi, the the the the their, the the their, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, th. th. tho, tho, their, togu. togu. togu. I, togu. togu. togu. togu. they, their, their, their, their, not just throw yourself into in the family, but feel like this is something that I need to talk about publicly,

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amount of people in similar situations and who felt like they needed help but didn't know where to turn and yeah so I started blended it's kind of like therapy for me because I'm meeting people in similar situations I'm like you know getting everything off my chest but it's helping so many other people as well and and to be honest for the first time in a really long time with work I feel really satisfied and like I was meant to do this so out of all this crazy situation that is gone on I felt like some good has come out of it and I can help other people I'd say as well you know I used to watch Tau we are still do and you were on Tauie and and then and it and it and it and it and it and it and it and it and it and it and it and it and it the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th is th is the th is th the th is th the the th is the th is the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the toy and I I I toy and I toy and I toy and I toy and I toy and I toy. toy. I toy. I toy. I toy Towie and and then you left Towie and it's like, all this got, like, you know, you became, like, you know, you became, like, getting with and marrying like one of the most famous sportspeople

in the country. It was a step family, all the, you know, Cree, and you must have lost yourself a bit in that because you were all these labels apart from just Kate and her job, and it's quite interesting to see where you went from reality TV to where you are now. Where do you think, if you hadn't met Rio, where do you think your life would have gone? Do you know what, how you've put that is absolutely how I felt, like, before I was on Tauwi, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, the their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, their, their, the worked in the bank, I organised events, and then when I went on Taui I felt like I kind of lost myself a little bit, I had like a very, I had a break up on bloody national TV, which is never ideal. Don't always show your best side when you're doing that. It was a great episode though, good TV. Got the views, I just looked a bit mental.

And yeah, I feel like I lost myself in that whole process in everything. It's like I completely got, was overwhelmed with, you know, the kids and Rio. And one thing about going out of Rio, who in this house is made to feel like a very normal man, let me tell you. But outside, everyone thinks he is a legend. And you kind of get lost in that, because I've always had my everyone thinks he is a legend. And you kind of get lost in that because I've always had my own life. It's relative compared to Manchester United's current defense though, isn't it? You know what I mean?

That's something I would say. Listen, I'm not, I try to get involved in the football but I don't know everything. Yeah, yeah. They're not the best at the moment, Man United. And going the the the best, lose your identity anyway, because everywhere you go, everyone goes, how's Rio? How's Rio? In the end, I go, bloody hell, I'm fed up. I love him, but I don't want to talk about him everywhere I go. So yeah, I lost it a little bit.

And this blended and has really helped me, you know, I feel like I was just meant to do this. I've always felt like I was meant to help people but there was a lot of judgment from being on a reality TV show and things like that but you know I feel like I'm where I'm meant to be. Kate you seem totally different to the people that are on there now like with you're quite private with your kids like you don't put the kids faces on up much and you know you're not really putting in front and center on social media and stuff like that. Whereas a lot of people on reality TV still do that. Is that a conscious decision to do that? I mean, when I met Rio, he'd already, him and Rebecca had already made that decision. But I do agree with it because I feel the children have been for a lot and they're entitled to just be kids and you know not have everyone know who they are and just have a normal life. They've been for enough I just don't think their faces need to be plastered everywhere. Yeah I agree. Totally totally understand. Is there

people you've spoken to on the on the podcast? Obviously every situation is so different but there must be other people that you've learned really like interesting things often as you say it's like it's in a the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their their to to to to to to to to to to to to be to to to to to be to be to be too. too. too. too. too. tooes. tooes. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be to be to be to be to be to be to. to. t. I. I. I. I. I. t. I'm. I'm. I'm. te. te. te. te. te. te. I'm. total. total. total. total. total. total. total. I. I'm. I'm. total. learned really like interesting things often as you say it's like it's in a way quite a small community of people but is it really useful to be talking to people like that? You know what it's actually I think one in four families are blended now so I didn't realize how many people are in this kind of world and I learned so much like I've spoke to some like professionals and just everyday people. It's not just about celebrities because, you know, everyone's going for it. And yeah, I feel like I'm learning so much.

I come home with discussions at the dinner table with the kids. Yeah, I've learned loads, really. What have you learned from this podcast? You can't broadcast, hungover. That's what I've learned. You fall apart, Josh. And we, and we, and we, and we, and we' and we' th, and we're, and we're, and we're, and we're, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, I' th, I' th, I've th, I've tho, I've tho, I've tho, I've tho, tho, I've tho, I've tho, I've tho, I've tho, I've tho, I've tho, I've tho, I've tho, I've tho, I've tho, I've th, I've th, I've th, I've th, th, th, I've th, I've th, I've th, I've th, I've th, I've th, I've th. th. th. th. th. tho, I've tho, tho, tho, thooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. tho. tho, tho, th hungover, that's what I've been. You fall apart Josh. And we're not very good at finding out who's asking the next question. We've never been good at that.

I don't think that never changed though. That's just who we are. That's the reason Michael's there, isn't it, to make us professional. And how's it, how's it going? How's it? You, go? How, how? How, how? How? How? How's one each, but if you want to do two-in-a-rope. I didn't have anything to say, Rob. I felt there's a pause.

I thought I need to say something. And then you started. I interrupted you. It was a disaster. classes and things like that and is he getting into stuff? Yeah we go to classes. He's at nursery now because I've started working soon than expected and he's at nursery he's loving it he rules the roost in this house he's like God he started with those you know the head swings the tantrums yeah he's back and head on everything but he's full of life he's so loud. I think everyone in this house fights for attention so he's

like the loudest out of the lot which is saying a lot because it's a loud house and yeah he's a happy little thing. And what's the school run looking like for you who's in charge of school run obviously how do you split the parenting with Rio is it depent on workload and stuff or do you have to find roles with school and stuff like that? No do you know what know what? The big kids have started getting the bus to school now, the bus to school school, which is unbelievable. Let me just say, the school run, oh my God, I can't stand the school run. It really stresses me out. Do you guys feel like that? Well, my daughter's the nursery so it's only the nursery run but luckily they don't have like a deadline for nursery.

Yeah. And so I'm not, and I'm like, this is stressful now. Is a bit late though, isn't it? Yeah, you get there are three. But do you know, the good thing Rob is that I can combine drop off and pickup if I drop a late enough. If I drop in a quarter of a minute, to hang around 15 minutes and th. th. th.00.00. I, th.00.00.00.00.00.00. I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I'm, th, th,'m like, this is stressful now, but when there's a 9 a.m. deadline, I am in big trouble here. When the school run was it, it's worse, Kate, when it was at its peak, when they were too young to get the bus, what were we doing? Two or three different drops?

Or were they all at the same school? How bad was it? They're all all at the same at the same at the same at the same at the same at the same all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all way up to secondary. So it's not too bad. It's just the getting out of the house on time. And then when Cree come along and I couldn't drive, no, we just changed it to the bus, they get on the bus, they quite enjoy that. Like it's a school bus, it's not a red bus. And then I just take Crea to nursery. But going back to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. to to to to to to thrue. thrue. to to to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the tooom. the the the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the the the the th. And, three. And, thrue. And, thrue. And, thrue. And, thr. And, tree. And, true, try. And, try, try. And, try, try. And, try. And, try. And, three. And, three. I, he works quite a lot. I've started working quite a lot, to be honest. But when we're both here, we share the role. It's quite equal, to be fair.

He's really good, really good with the kids. And the holidays and stuff like that, obviously it's been COVID and things like that. Is it hard keeping the young, because of the gap, isn't it, the gap, the gap, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is a the the gap, is a big, is a big, is a big, is a big, is a big, is a gap, is a big, is a gap, is a gap, is a gap, is a gap, is a gap, is the gap, is a gap, is a gap, is a gap, is a gap, the gap, the gap, the gap, the gap, the gap, the gap, the gap, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is a gap, is a gap, the gap, the gap, the gap, the their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, quite, their, quite, their, their, is equal, is a their, their, the what's the age gap between Cree and the next one? Ten years? Ten years. So do you find yourself, if you do go away anywhere or go out for the day trip, one of you is off with like, you know, the older ones and the ones with the babies? Is that difficult finding stuff to do that they're all happy? Yeah, it's impossible. But we all stay together and at one stage, some of their, some, some, some, some, some, some, some, some, some, some, some, some, some, some, some, some, some, some, some, some, some, some, some, some, some, some, some, some, some, some, some, some, some, some, some, some, some, some, some, some, some, some, some, some, some, some, the the, some, the, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, the, their, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, their, their, the, their, the, the, to, the, the, the, they.a, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, that's just how we do it because it's impossible. The kids, the big kids, what we kind of do is we can entertain Cree for an hour and then get on with what the big kids want to do. Or I just try and do stuff in my days off in the week with Cree that are a bit more babyish,

and then at the weekend do more with the big kids. But he gets bored, they get bored, what can you do?. What th, what th, what th, what th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th th th th th th th th th th th th the the, the, th, th th th th the, the, the, the, the, th th th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th is th, th is th is th is the is the is that, that, that, that, that, the is that, that, that, the is that, that, the the is theto get on with it. It's really, I mean, I've got a difference between a four and a half year old and a nearly one year old. And the difference there is stark enough that you go, they're not, you can't entertain them together. The thought of where you would take a 15 year old and a one year old to have a great Saturday, there's a business... I don't know what it be. Are you finding your relationship with the older kids changing slightly now they're teenagers and there's hormones involved? Does that as it as it changes to what they still is still pretty good?

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They do confide in me with a lot of things and I've never really thought about is it because you know I'm Kate and not their mom. I don't know. I think maybe we've just built that bond where I'm quite, I be really open and we share everything with each other and we've just created that like space for communication So I don't know really the answer to that one, but whatever it is it works Oh, that's good. I'm worried about being a confidant. Oh, that's theyreya. I don't know if I've got to be a confidant to a teenager. I don't know if you're worried in that room and I'll tell them about my worries. That's not gonna mess them up at all is it? Dad's crying at the end of the bed again. He doesn't know what bin it is for the recycling day.

The thing is though you'd prefer to know than not know that's what I say to him like whatever you're gonna tell me I prefer to know thinn't the the the the the the the they. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the to to to that that I to that I that I to that I to to that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their tolde I toooooooooeseses their their their tooes' tooes' tooes' tooes' that that that that that that toe that toe that's to. Would they ever say, I'm going to tell you this but you can't pass this on to my dad? Yes. All the time. All the time. Children, if you're listening, I'm really sorry. Sometimes I do depend on what it is, but sometimes it's just not worth it. I just think whatever I'll deal with it myself. And as a step parent, what is it with like, you know, rules for the kids, you know, like screen-time or going out late or coming back or stuff they do? Do you feel like you can sort of tell them off or give these ground rules or is it something that you sort of, you feel like you should be running past their dad before, or after a while once you're all sort of settled in, it becomes more relaxed. But they must be quite awkward at the beginning. If you think their behavior is not suitable,

it's hard to sort of say. You know what, every family is different. So, but for our family, from the beginning, Rio said, you know, their mum was strict and she disciplined them and you can do the same. So from the beginning, I've I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I've the the the beginning I've the beginning I've been firm but fair and I do, I'm moaning at them constantly. I'm like a mother figure to them. Like as you see a mum would, that's exactly what I do.

I love them, I cook for them, I moan at them, I hug them, everything that a mom does I do. And I am strict. And I think, yeah, I've said it, but I've said it, but I've said it, yeah, but I've said it, but I've said it, but I've said it, but, I've said it, but, I've said it, but, I've said it, I've said it, but, I've said it, but, I've said it, I've said it, but, I've said it, I've said it, but, I've, I've, I've, I've, but, I've said it, I've said it, I've said, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, I've, but, but, but, I've, but, but, I've, I've, but, I've, I've, I've, I've, I, I, I've, I've, I've, I, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've said it, I've said it, I've, I've, I've said, I've, I've said, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've said, I've said, I've said, I've said, I've said, I've said, I've said, I've said, I've said it, I've is mine but yeah it's just normal to a normal parent I suppose and you do what the do you have any sort of they're too old for that now but do they do that do have little jobs for pocket money or we have a pom too the little ones where it's like if you're good do good listening you get a pom pom pom then it it feels a jar and you get a I I suppose I can't I can't I can't I can't I can't I can't I can't I can't I can't I can't I can't I can't I can't I can't I can't I can't I can't I can't I can't I can't I can't I can't I can't I can't I can't I can't I can't I can't I can't I can't I can't I can't I can't I can't I can't I can't get I can't get I can't get I can't I can't I can't I can't I can't I can't I can't I can't that you can't I can't I can't I can't I can't I can't I can can't I can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can't I can't I can't I can't I can't I can't you can't really get that past a 15 year old, but is it like... I love the way you said for the little ones, as if we were worried it was going to be for your wife. We've got a pom-pondrub.

Yeah, no, we have jobs in the house, so we have like a chart on the wall, it gets very political at times. Right. And they get pocket money, and they have to do between between between between between between between between between between between between between between between between between, and the the other one? Clearing the table and make their beds. And they all share the washing up services and clearing the table. So you haven't got a dishwasher? Rob, if you see the amount these kids eat, they're teenage boys, they're eating like double the amount of a man. The amount of food I have to cook is crazy.

So it doesn't all fit'm the dishwasher guy. They probably can't stand me. They wipe the services they don't do it properly. I say we're going to keep coming back and doing this until it's done properly. And sometimes we do it free times a night. Really? Well, I that you and Rio sort of you know are aware of and want to try and keep them grounded? You know we're so fortunate. Rios worked hard and we do throwne. we' we' do that we do that and we do they're do to live a lovely life and it's hard when you know we're we're we' we' we' we' th. th. th. to th. to th. th. th. to th. to th. th. th. th. th. thi thi thi thi's thi's thi's that that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that that that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's th. th. th. that's th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. that's th. that's that's that's that's that's thr-you's thr-you's thr-you's thr-you's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's thr we do that is by, you know, they've got to have jobs, they've got to clean up after themselves, they've got to make their

beds, they've got to do things, you know, we don't get them everything they won, absolutely not. We could try and keep them grounded in that sense. Yeah, of course. It's difficult though, isn't it's it, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, they, they, they, the, they, they, they's, they's, they's, they's, they're, they're, they're, you.. It's, they's, they's, you. It's, you. It's, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they's, they's, they's, they. They's, they. They's, they. They, they, they, they. They's, they. They's, they. They's, they. They's, they's, they's, they's, they's, they's, they's, they're, they're, they're, they're they're to. They're to. We're they're to. We're to. We're they're they're they're to. We're they're they're they're to. They're they're to. They're they're shouldn't take it for granted but then when you were growing up like you know this is always it's all relative basically isn't there where you may not have had a bigger house growing up but there's always food on the table and stuff like that no one's going to you you're taking that for granted eating you know I mean where there's some people that's a struggle so relative so polite and you know they're so to be polite and you know they do they do they do they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they're they're they're they're they're they're they're their they're their their their their they're their they're their their they're their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their th th tho their their their their their their their their the their their their their their their their their their their their don't take the piss too much. Because that's the worst fear, isn't it, a horrible little kid and you just like sport brat. Yeah and they're so well-mannered, they're so polite. But yeah, they don't know any different, do they, this is the life they've lived in. So we can't blame them for that, but we just need to them.

But we just need to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to tea to to to to to to to to to to to to to to their their their their their their their to teach to teach to teach to teach to teach to teach to teach to to teach to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to? I was going to wait, but I need to ask it. I did Crystal Maze with Rio Ferdinand and we won the main thing. How often does he mention that and how big is it in his trophy cabinet? Do you know what? I can sing it right now? I can't see it. I'd hope so. I knew it would be a big deal for him. No, I'm in the back room. I'm I'm in in in in the back. I'm in the back. I'm in the back. I'm in the back. I'm in the back. I'm in the back. I'm in the back. I'm in the back. I'm in the back. I'm joking. I'm joking. I'm joking. I'm joking. I'm joking. I'm joking. I'm joking. I'm in the back. I'm in the back. I'm joking. I'm the back. I'm the back. I'm the back. I'm the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the back. I'm in the back. I'm in the back. I'm in the back. I'm in the back. I'm in the back. I'm in the back. I'm in the back. I'm in the back. I'm in the back. I'm joking. I'm joking. I'm joking. I'm joking. I'm joking. I'm joking. I'm joking. I'm joking. I'm joking. I'm joking. I'm in. I'm in. I'm in the back the back the back the back the back the back the back the back the back the back the back ics in the toilet so that's where I record from. Yeah I've heard that you've done that to be honest and it's sitting on the side and that's it I'm sorry. That'll make Joshua better. Champions League trophy, Crystal Mays with Josh Ridicum and Sarah Cox, another Champions League trophy. That's how it works. What's the social media rules for the kids because they're teenagers now so they're obviously aware of it and probably

want to have it. Is it something you've spoke to them about and things like that? They've got social media but just private accounts. Yeah. You know like kids I think as a generation we're bloody obsessed with social their their to-s. We all just can't I can't just just just just just just just just just just just just just they can't just they just they just they just they just th I they just th I th I th I th th th th th th th th th th th th th. I th th their th their their their their their their their their their their to to to to to their their their their their they're they're they're they're their they're their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their thoes. thoes. to. I to. I to. I to. I to. I've thea. I've to. I to're on it all the time, apart from they have to put their phones outside their room at bedtime. Oh, did they? Oh, so on the landing? Are they just sat? I've got a big charging pack and it charges like everyone's phones and it's on the

landing and they put it outside on charge at a certain time. And have you ever snuck a look at their phone while it's on the charging pack? Yes, 100%. I do, I look at their phone sometimes. Listen, with kids, you don't know what's going on. So every now and then I have a little look. They know I do, because I'll tell them. I looked at your phone and I saw this. But you've got to keep an eye on them, especially with social media, you don't know what's going on, you don't know who they're talking to, so yeah, I do have a little nose every now and then. But that's difficult though because as it

gets older, so like, you know, what age are they allowed it in their room? Because really, the truth is, kids, their to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their. And, their, their, their, their. And, their. And, their. So, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their. And, their. And, their. And, their. And, their. And, toe.kkkketeer. And, toe.k. And, toe.k. And, toe. And, their. And, the temptation to put your phone out there as well, with theirs to carry it on for longer? Yeah, but when my alarm goes off, it's going to wake up the whole house. How does your alarm go off if your phone's outside the room? Two words, alarm clock. There's no way. Oh my God, Rob. No, Rob, she's the the the the the the the the the alarm. the alarm. the alarm. the alarm. the alarm. the alarm. the alarm. the alarm. the alarm. the alarm. the alarm. the alarm. the alarm. the alarm. the alarm. the alarm. the alarm. the alarm. the alarm. It's going the alarm. It's going the alarm the alarm the alarm the alarm the alarm to to to to to to to to to to to the alarm goes the alarm goes the alarm goes the alarm goes the alarm goes the alarm goes the alarm goes. It's going the alarm goes. It's going the alarm. It's going the alarm. It's going. It's going. It's going. It's going. It's going. It's going. It's going. It's going. It's going. It's going the the the the the the the the the alarm. It's going the alarm goes th th tho. It's going tho tho to tho to to to to to to to to to to the alarm goes the alarm goes the alarm goes the alarm goes the there. There's no way of having an alarm with her phone. There's no way. Cainford men is waking up without a phone. Is that right? How did people wake up before 1993?

Oh my God. What is wrong with me? I said that and actually... Get a cockle. Get a cocky. You said it so cocky, like, huh? How do you think I'm going to wake up, Rob, to wake, to wake, to wake, to wake, to wake, to wake, to wake, to wake, to wake, to wake, to wake, to wake, to wake, to wake, to wake, to wake, to wake, to wake up, to wake up, to to to to to to to to to wake up, to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the the the the the to, to wake, to wake, to wake, to wake, to wake, to wake, to wake, to wake, to wake, to wake, to wake, to wake, to wake up to wake up to wake up to wake up to wake up to wake up, to wake up, to wake up, to to tho, tho. tho. thi. tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. too. too. tho. How, to to to to to to to to to thank you. Good night, check, mate. Oh my God, shit, I'll get an alarm clock. Well, I was thinking about getting one because I go on my phone and before I know,

I've looked at it for an hour when I'm supposed to be going to sleep. So I was tempted to get an alarm and I was tempted to get an alarm. I've tried it. I've just got my phone set as an alarm. I mean I'll be honest with you in the last four years since having children I haven't even set my alarm once that's the other problem. Yeah. Well what time do they wake up? What's how's Cree sleeping at the moment is he all right? Last night was horrific like he sleeps so well but he's a bit ill today and last night he was up every half an hour Which is so unlike God

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sort of moving in to the house? I mean is it a different house now? Tell me this is too much it's too personal is it a different house to the one that they lived in with their mom or is it the same house? No it's their family home, they've got lots of memories and there was lots of Rebecca's stuff everywhere. But I had to think of the kids. Obviously I really didn't want to move in this particular house. My dream probably would be to get a house somewhere else and we start again. But it's not about me. It's like the children have lost their mom and if they've got memories here I just didn't think it'd be fair to like uproot them and they've already been for enough. Yeah of course. Yeah it was it was mad it was crazy at the beginning we just have to make sure that everything's right for everyone. And do you feel like you've reached a stage now

where you know what you're doing with it and everyone feels like they know what's happening or is it a constantly kind of developing relationship and dealing with everything that's happened. Is that just an ongoing kind of changing thing? I mean the grief is ongoing because it changes at different times, you know, depending on what they're going through and stuff like that. But in regards to like my relationship with the kids and Rio and where we're at as a family, I think we're really secure and we all know where we're at and how it works for us and it works well. We've got that to a good point. It's amazing when you kind of dig down into it how much there is to think about, you know what I mean? And how it dominates just your day-to-day life.

It's just that you suddenly think about, oh there's this and there's this and there's school sports day and how they must be thinking at that point about their mom and all this kind of stuff and it must be, there's not much time you go through where it feels like it isn't present in some sense I imagine. Yeah and I overthink everything because you're always worrying like teenagers are moody they just are I don't know they're just moody they're hormones. But then you'll overthink it. You'll overthink like, oh my God, is it because of this? Is it because of this? And you start overdoing everything. When really, they might just be being a moody teenager for the day. So it's hard because you do question absolutely everything.

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And it's just tough to know that you just can't make this better for them. Like I love them. I love them dearly. I th th th th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. tho. tho. tho. tho. thi. tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. thoooo. It's tho. It's tho. It's their their their their their their their their their their their. It's, it. It's, it. It's, it. It's, it. It's, it. It's, it. It's, it's, it's, it's, their. It's, their. It's, their. It's, their, thi. It's thoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. And, their, can't imagine life without them. And all I want to do is make it better, but I can't. And that's a really hard thing, being a parent and not being able to make it better for your kids. Okay, honestly, I think this podcast can be amazing because, you know, we get so many requests to speak to people with blended families and things like talk about, especially if there's people being remarried and all sorts of different things stopping that. But I think this podcast could be amazing. You've got some great guests on Eris here talking about adoption and fostering, finding love after loss, and Julia Samuel Buehleaving, and every family, all these brilliant

guests that can, you know, touch on different aspects of a blended family. I hope it's th, hope so. I think if you're open and honest it will be, okay, because that's the most important thing really. I think especially people in the in the public eye, it can always look all sort of super rosy, but I think if you're honest about it, it really helps people listening. You know, and you, because you did a great documentary about it all as well, which I thought was brilliant. Thank you. So should we get back to the Crystal Maze? No, I'm just... You're really proud of it, aren't you? Why did he leave Leeds? Is that what this episode is going to be called?

Crystal Mays and some other stuff, it's called. And it's with dog. Josh, do you want to ask the final question? Yeah, because it really, I think people will be excited to hear about Rio Ferdinand's worst habit that you haven't spoken to about. What one thing does he do that annoys you a lot? But you haven't discussed it yet. But say he was to listen to this, maybe because he thought, I I I I I he he he was he was he was he was he was to he was to he was to to to he was to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to listen, to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to hear to to hear to hear to hear to hear to hear to hear to hear to hear to hear to hear to hear to hear to hear to hear to hear to hear to hear to hear to hear to hear to hear to hear to hear to hear, to hear to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to listen to this maybe because he thought I wonder whether I mentioned the Crystal Mays that kind of thing. Josh would still remember me. Does he still remember me?

By the way we ask everyone this question not specifically about Rio but about their partner. So don't feel like me. Yeah, yeah, no. We don't ask what thing about Rio Ferdinand? What thing about your partner that you haven't discussed annoys you about their parenting? Now this is, I tell him everything, there's nothing that annoys me that he doesn't know. Just so you know, I think you're annoyed with some of them building up. Could we have some of them building up just, you should meet up with the other. I'm probably out of order because I say everything I just can't keep it in. It's like verbal diarrhea.

What really bugs me is when like the other day I say right I'm just going to, we might be going out, I'm just going out babe, were you going upstairs to just sort myself out. We just look off the kids and I come in and says and he's asleep on the sofa and I'm like you're meant to be looking after them, you're asleep and he goes, oh just rest in my eyes and I go babe, Cree's running riot and no one knows it's gone on you're looking after him. What kind of time of day is he falling asleep on the sofa? They called him Ferdinap, because he loves a nap seriously. You can fall asleep at any time of the day. Okay, ah, that's a good skill to have though. That's just sleeping whenever you can,

but not when you're supposed to be looking after your kids. Kate, thank you so much. It's been so nice to talk to you. It's brilliant. Yeah, good luck with the podcast blended. Yeah, really good luck of it, Kate. I think it's brilliant what you're doing. Kate Ferdinand. Incredible, incredible interview. Not by us, I mean, interview-e, should I say.

I went quite stiff-neck on that interview. Yeah, I know. I was trying to loosen it up by bringing up the crystal maze and you weren't going with it, Rob. I was like, what's going on here? Which one of us is which? Yeah, I know, yeah. I think it's because we've had so many people that wanted Kate, Fernand and Rio talking about the sort of blended family thing on it.

I was trying to get a lot out of it. But yeah, maybe I went a bit too stiff. But I thought it was great though, she's so open and honest, didn't she? With 26 she was when she took on sort of three steps. What were you doing at 26? Rob, did you start a stand-up? Yes, I was three years in. I was, think I was in Australia doing the jungle. Oh, there we go. That's the kind of thing I expect you to talk about. Yeah, well I can't go, oh, you, you took on three step kids at 26 and then just do anecdotes

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Someone's got to talk about quiz shows.