Parenting Hell with Rob Beckett and Josh Widdicombe - S04 EP36: Conor Benn

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Starting point is 00:00:35 Hello, I'm Rob Beckett. And I'm Josh Willicum. Welcome to Parent in which Josh and I discuss what it's really like to be a parent, which I would say can be a little tricky. So, to make ourselves and hopefully you feel better about the trials and tribulations of modern-day parenting, each week we'll be chatting to a famous parent about how they're coping. Or hopefully, how they're not coping. And we'll also be hearing from you the listener with your tips, advice and of course, tales of parenting woe. Because let's be honest, there are plenty of times when none of us know what we're doing. Hello you're listening to Parenting Hill with...

Starting point is 00:01:22 Can you see Josh Whitticam? Josh Whittickum. And can you say Rob Beckett? Rob Beckett. Well done! That's a good one. Right, until the quite, quite intense cough at the end. Do you know what, I was watching, I was watching that go along. You know you can see like the sat when you're playing a clip you can see the other sound waves. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. th. th. th. th. thing. t. to. th. t. the to. the t. to. the, the, th. the, the, the, th. th. th. the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. to. to. th. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. th. to. to. the, th. the, th. th. th. th. go along. You know you can see like the set, when you're playing a clip, you can see the other sound waves.

Starting point is 00:01:46 Yeah. And I was like, it was just to tuteling along and then it finished. I could see there was this huge sound wave thing at the end. I was like, what the hell is about to happen here? And it was a mad child. Time out it was a child coughing like they they they they they they they they they they they they they they was like. It was like. It was like. It was like. It was like. It was like. It was like. It was like. It was like. It was a child coughing like. It was a child coughing like. It was a child coughing like. It was a child coughing like. It was a child coughing like. It was a child coughing like. It was a child like they'd like, it was a child like, it was a child like, it was a child like, it was a child like, it was a child like, it was a child. It was a child. It was a child. It was a child. It was like, it was like, it was like, it was like, it was like, coughing. It was like, coughing. It was like, coughing like, coughing like, coughing like coughing like coughing like coughing like coughing like coughing like coughing like coughing like coughing like coughing like coughing like coughing like coughing like coughing like coughing like they'd they'd they'd they'd they'd they'd had a child coughing like they'd had a child coughing like they'd had a child coughing like they'd had a child coughing like a child coughing like they'd a child coughing like they'd a child coughing like they'd had a they'd had a they'd had a they'd had 20 silk cut a day for the last 40 years. Eat me may have. We don't know. We don't know what that kid smoked. This is Isaac, two and a half-ish in one take, been with you since the beginning and love listening each week. My partner had often asked what I'm listening to when I'm laughing out loud.

Starting point is 00:02:16 And I say the boys as you're affectionately now in our house. The boys are back in town. Thanks for making me out loud each week. Emma from? The Wirral? Newcastle. There we go. Fuck. Oh no. You won't send me loose some. How are you, Rob.

Starting point is 00:02:32 I'm all good, mate. I've got some great messages, if you want them. too on the Instagram. Go on. We do some, we do some, yeah. This is a good one, from Heather. Hi guys, following on from Rob's daughter saying she didn't care about him, I thought I'd tell you about my five-year-old daughter. This week, she took a pair of scissors and decided to give herself a fringe when I wasn't looking. Naturally, I was mortified, but she sort of did an okay job. I wanted to seem shocked and make her seriousthat if she ever did it again, I'll take her tablet away for good and keep it for myself

Starting point is 00:03:06 She just replied with well if you do that I'll just kill you Never have I been so shocked at my sweet little angel angel zero remorse Did she say how old she was five? Oh my word. I think that's five's like the limit of that's like? Oh, she doesn't understand what? She's but anything? to be on five is? She? th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th th thi thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th th th th th th thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th th th th th th th th th th th th, th, th, th, th th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi's thi's thi's thi's thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi that's five's like the limit of that's like, oh she doesn't understand what she's but anything beyond five is you worried if she's eight yeah I'll kill you. That's when you got a worry before you you become on the Netflix documentaries. That is superb isn't it really good. This one made me laugh is from Charlotte in Northern Ireland. Love the podcast is this every week during work. I'm a private cleaner and thankfully most houses I visit are empty.

Starting point is 00:03:49 When my eldest child's born in 2004, she's now 17, my husband had a goatee. Come May, April time he shaved it off due to the heat, I mean, our what's Northern Island in April. That's incredible. The gooty is not even a full beard. Look at me. Better whip this off, I'm so hot. Absolutely boiling. Anyway, she totally rejected him for the first few days due to the change in his appearance.

Starting point is 00:04:16 Lots of chats involving Daddy's beard ensued. So she learned to say the word beard as one of her first words. Fast forward to a night I had a bath and sauntered into the bedroom and dropped my towar only to turn to my daughter who pointed at my nether regions and said very clearly, and a matter of fact, mummy's beard. Oh no. This will never be forgotten and my husband felt about laughing because the baby thought that it was his beard that was now there. Oh my god. How have the babies made an incredible logical leap? Charlotte from North Island.

Starting point is 00:04:49 Oh my word. That's a good idea. So shaved it off because of his beard, because of his heat, because they're he too hot. You know what Belfast in April. Belfast in April, is that 45? It's the Sahara. I know, poor old Jerry Adams How does he cope every summer? You know he's only got a goat and he's gonna shave it off because he's too much Jerry Adams Suing and booing beard on in Belfast. God you crazy. So hot over there. I was there once and he went to 15 degrees Josh Mad this is a good boomer good boomer and then I've got on a horrific email. I'm gonna email read out. I was there. thirty. the th. th. th. th. th. the th. the th. th. the th. the th. the th. th. the th. th. the th. the he he he he he he he he hea. He's hea. He's hea. He's he he he hea he's hea he's hea he's hea he's hea he's hea he's hea he's hea he's hea he's he's he's he's he's he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he tho tho tho to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the tho. He's boomer, good boomer, and then I've got in a horrific email.

Starting point is 00:05:27 I'm going to read out. Bumer story. Hi Josh and Rob, I'd like to tell you my boomer story. My dad was a keen fisherman and would go regularly lake fishing at the weekend. When I was four I was taking a bath, he came out a bag and emptied its content into the bath, shouting Snake, he had brought home alive ill. What? And threw it in the bath as a joke.

Starting point is 00:05:53 No. I was of course terrified and leapt out of the bath. Yeah, of course. I would love to say this was a one-off, but he actually did I can laugh about it now. No, of course I wouldn't laugh about it now. No, well, Leanne reckons it's funny, but she would never do that to her children, which I think is more telling than I have a laugh about it. I can laugh about it now. No one's ever said I can laugh about it now. No one's the things that was funny in the first place. Oh, I went and saw, you know, it went and it th and it th and it th and it th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th thin thin thin' thin' thin' thin' thin' thin' thin' th thin' th th th thin' thin' thin' thin' thin' thin' thin' thin' thin' th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th thin' thin' th th th th th thin' thin' th thin' thin' thin' thin' thin' thin' thin' thin' thin' thin' thin' thin' thin' thin' to to to to to to to to to to to to to to thin, to to tho-n''''' tho' tho' thin, th wasn't, well I can laugh about it now. Watch that new Jackass film, I can laugh about it now, not then, no. Um, your sister than you Jackass film. I just love it, I love Jackass, it's so fun.

Starting point is 00:06:32 Do you? Did you always love it? I always loved it, always loved it, always loved dirty Sanchez as well. I just like stuff that, thii's just stuff that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's think about it or not. I find stuff where there's too much faffing about. No one's surprised you've said that Rob. That's just it's much easier. Life's a lot easier isn't it? It's just instant. Yeah. Tick-Tock generation. Yeah it's more fun on it. Anyway so that's Leanne Heath 445 months. Now do you want this horrific story before we go into the guest? No. This is a horrific.. Right story story story story story story story story story story story story story story story story story story story story story story story story story story story story story story story story story story story story story story story story story story story story story story story story story story story story story story story story story story story story story story. this is a that this is a this is a this is a this is a this is a that. that. that story story. that. that's a that's a that's a that's a this is a horrific story. So let's have the guest. Well, this is from Lucy. Lucy emailed in.

Starting point is 00:07:08 Hi Rob, just listen to your Florida Flight Disaster podcast. Oh, what a journey you had. So this is basically the reason why my flight was cancelled. This is from Lucy. We were actually on the flight from London to Orlando on the second of April with BA. We were on the flight that had such an ordealdealdealdealdeal your cancelled flight. This is our story. Okay. So basically I woke up for people I know I woke up like three in the morning to a cancelled flight on the third of April. For people that don't know, come a rub. So here's Lucy. Second of April, London Gateway to Orlando. We left on time and we were above Orlando, a land. I was. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. th. to. the th. th. the the th. th. the the th. the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. to. to. th. the the th. to. to. to. to me. to to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the tho. I. I was. tho. thooooooooolea. tooooooolea. tooole. toda. thooooo. I. I was. I was were above a lando about to land. I was traveling with my three kids, six, four, an eight month old baby.

Starting point is 00:07:48 Oh my God. Three, six, four, eight month old baby. So when you've got above Orlando, you feel like you've cracked it, you feel like you've achieved the flyer. The pilot then announced a seatbelted sign for landing, it would go on in five minutes. As a result I chucked away the three calls buff I had brought from home for our kids. Oh no no no no none none none none none none none none none of which they had to bring anything into the US so I had to throw my food away. Then we circle for three hours above Orlando due to store. Oh my god. We then fly to Miami to refuel with the intention of coming back to Orlando on the same plane once the storm had passed. We sit the the the the the the their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their. their. their. their. their. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. th. their. their. Oh. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. th. th. th. No. th. th. th. th. th. the. the. t. tea. tea. tea. tea. touch. th. th. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. the. to Orlando on the same plane once the storm had passed. We sit on the ground in Miami for two hours. Then depart Miami to fly back to Orlando. When we get to the end of the runway and sit for another hour, at which point we still haven't

Starting point is 00:08:35 taken off, the pilot then announced he had run out of legal flying hours. So it was back to the gate for us. Oh my God. Eventually we get off the plane in Miami, six hour delay at this point. So basically it's a 10 hour flight, so they've been sort of on a plane for 16 hours. 16 hours. We go through customs and sit in a luggage hall waiting for our bags.

Starting point is 00:08:55 No word from BA about the plan or how we get to Orlando. So Miami is probably about a three-hour-a-ininininininininin, to-so-so-so-so-so-so-so-so-s-s, to-s, to-s, to-s, to-s, th-s, th-s, th-s, th-s, th-s, th-s, th-s, th-a-s, th-s, th-s, th-a-a-a-a-a, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so-s, so, so-s, so, so-s, so-s, so-s, so-s, so-s, so-s, so-s, so-s, so-s, so-s, so-s, th-s, th-s, th-s, th-s, th-s, thoer-s, tho-s, tho-s, thoa-s, they-s, they-a-a-a-s, they's, they's-a-a-s, they Orlando from Miami. We sit in a luggage hall for three further hours. She's got a six-year-old or four-year-old and eight-month-old this point. No seats, no food. Bear in mind that it had been no food or water offered since about two hours before the supposed land in Orlando. The whole plane of people collapsed around the baggage hall and then vomit everywhere from dehydration. Oh my God. Oh my God. There is no megaphone slash announcement system in the hall.

Starting point is 00:09:32 So as a result a BA crew member was passing messages around about the plan and then this to then this led to Chinese whispers around the passengers. I don't know if it's allowed to be called Chinese whispers around the passengers. I don't know if it's allowed to be called Chinese whispers anymore. Whispers? Whispers. Miscellaneous whispers. Miscellaneous whispers. After three hours of waiting, finally the bags arrived. BA put on coaches from Miami to Orlando, midnight at this point in the US. However, they warned us there were 200 seats on the coaches and over a thousand passengers, so not enough seats for everyone. At this point, I gave up waiting for B8 and found a guy called Sam online, who was a local drive and offered to take us for $800. Five minutes later, after you realized there were so many desperate people, he raised the

Starting point is 00:10:14 price to $1,400. Oh my word. Anyway, Sam eventually drove us in a storm. From Miami to Orlando we arrived 24 hours after we left home. I've been totally wired the whole journey and didn't sleep one bit. My middle door, who slept for the last six hours of the journey, wakes up for the day, local time, 3 a.m., when we arrive at the hotel. All in all, it was horrific. Don't know if your journey was any better, but also sounding horrific. Anyhow, as a result of our situation on the 2nd of April, it led to your plane not being back in the UK in time to take you and so the saga continued. But never mind, two days later

Starting point is 00:10:53 we had recovered and had the best holiday in Orlando with our three kids. I'd do it all over again in a heartbeat. No you wouldn't. No you wouldn't. No you wouldn't. No you wouldn't. Absolutely you wouldn't. Do you know what someone someone come up to me in the shop went, oh is this into your podcast? I went all right, you know, the one about Disney, it sounds like a nightmare. I went, oh well all the flights and the cancellations. She went, yeah and also the holiday, I'm the holiday. Yeah, the holiday and it sounded awful. I know I'm like I'm like I'm like I'm like I'm like I'm like I'm like I'm like I'm like I'm like I'm like I'm like I'm like I'm like I'm like I'm like I'm like I'm like I'm like I'm like I'm like I'm like I'm like I'm like I'm like I'm like I'm like I'm like I'm like I'm like on like on like on like on like on like on like I'm like I'm like on like on like on like on like on like on like on like I'm like I'm like I'm like I'm like I'm like I'm like I'm like I'm like I'm like I'm like I'm like I'm like I'm like I'm like I'm like I'm like I'm like I'm like I'm like I'm like I'm like I'm like I'm like I'm like I'm like I'm like I'm like I'm like I'm like I'm like I'm like I'm like I'm like I'm like I'm like on like on like on like on like on like on like on like on like on like on like on like on like on like on a on a the the the the the the the the the th. th. I'm like on like on like on like on like on like on the the the the the the the the the the the th. I've got a lot of text from friends who've gone I'm never going to Disneyland after hearing that that's fine that's fine they're texting you behind my back you don't say to someone to their face you know the holiday that you spent a lot of money on and waited two years

Starting point is 00:11:33 for it sounded awful who does that I know I'm on a podcast I put in a but that's not how you that's how you that you that you that's how you that's how you that's how you that's not you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you that's not how you operate you operate you operate you operate you operate you operate you don't you don't you don't you that's you that's that you don't that you don't that you don't that you don't that you don't that you don't you don't you that you that you that you that you that you that you that's that's that's that's that's that's that's you you you you you you you that's that's you you that's not you you you that's not you that's not you you that's not that's not that's not that's not that's not that's not that's not that's not that's not that's not that's that's not that's not that's not that's not that's not that's not that's not that's not that's not that's not that's not that's that's not you that's anyone even if you think it I don't went part of you but yeah your holiday said it all for and I'm okay then bye I was like oh thanks you didn't get annoyed but I was like who says that to someone even if you are on a podcast or not that is so good but yeah that poor Lucy but she had a great time anyway but um blimely O'Reilly right this is the episode of Connor Ben oh do you know what one of the most the most the most the most the most the most the most the most the most the most the most the most the most the most the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I'm th. Oh th. I th. I th. Oh th. Oh th. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. I that's. I. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's the episode of Connor Ben. Oh, do you know what? One of the most fascinating chats we've had, absolutely incredible. I'm a huge boxing fan, so it was great to talk to Connor Ben, son of Nigel Ben, one of the most famous British boxers of all time. And a really interesting story about his rise up the ranks of boxing, but also his childhood and his new baby, who's only, what, what, a year old? So, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, the brilliant, the brilliant, the brilliant, the brilliant, th th th th th th th th th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, to to to to thi. to thi to thi thin, thi thi thi thi. thi, thi, So yeah, brilliant interview with a top bloke. Enjoy, this is Connor Ben. Connor Ben, welcome to the podcast. I'm very excited about this. I'm a big boxing fan, big fan of yours. First of all, for our audience, can you explain, you've got one child, is that right?

Starting point is 00:12:37 I've got one son, his name's Eli and he is 15 months old. So you are juggling a 15 month old. We've also burgeoning, well, you're an established boxing career, but you're sort of on your way up looking for well titles. And it's quite an important point of your career really at this stage, isn't it? It's all to play for as opposed to some boxers and sports people have kids when they're a little bit older and they've sort of won the stuff they want to win and stuff like that. So how do you feel about that? It's sort of quite a busy period for you. It depends on what sort of person you are and your outlook on the whole thing.

Starting point is 00:13:10 I mean, my son's been nothing but a blessing to me. He hasn't made me change my life so dramatically to be fair. Yeah. I've been thoubler to be very helpful and understanding in my career my my my my my my my my my my my my career my my career my career my career my career my career my career and my career and my career and my career and my career and my career and my career and my career and my career and my career and my career and my career and my career and my career and what it takes to get to the top. But no, he's been nothing but a blessing and it's all about perspective. You know, for me it keeps me grounded and makes me think about who I am as a man. How do you kind of fill it in with training and stuff? Because presumably you have to go away for quite long periods to training camps and stuff. If I'm in the UK and I'm doing training camp in the UK, I will base myself, well, my house is about 10, 15 minutes from the gym, I've just bought a house so close to the

Starting point is 00:13:50 gym, so when I'm not at the gym, I'm at home resting. I spend more time with my family in camp than I do out of camp. Because when I'm in camp, I'm home, gym, home gym, home gym home gym So I'm always home really I'm probably like one of the most hands-on dads Yeah, that you can put they can possibly be Yeah, because I suppose sometimes It's a bit of a with like sports sports people and athletes you sort of assume that they're just sort of focused on the job that they're not doing as much at home. So do you not find it distracting though like Because you do need to rest and if you're going in there and putting your body on the line in a fire, how do you manage the rest? How much parenting are you doing? Ear plugs are a godsend. Oh really? They are. When Eli was

Starting point is 00:14:37 first born, I was in the spare room for the first six months and he was kicking off crying. This was for the Samuel Bargas fight. He was kicking off crying. My mrs was like, I can't do this like, and I could hear I pull in her hair out and I was just like, oh I feel, I felt so bad but she was very understanding. I've really just, yeah, my mrs.

Starting point is 00:14:57 really does help out a lot, but I mean, I'm as hands on as ha as, I can as I can as I can as I can as I can be in training. Yeah. Depends on that I'm feeling. So if I've just done 12 sprints in the morning to the verge of throwing up, then I've got to go home rest. And then I follow it the following day, I've just got my head filled in for 10, 15 rounds. Yeah, I'm not really gonna be a podcast if you're not slept, it's just two bloke's talking, but if you're going into a ring and there's a bloke there that's been training free my arms to not your head off, you can't go into that tired doing a night feed. No, no, no, do you know what? Do you do, do to, do what, do what, do what, do what, do what, do, do what, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, the the the the the the the the to, to, the to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, the to, to, to be, to be, to be, to, to, to, to, to, to be, to be, to be, to, to, th. It?? i? i. It's, the, the, the, the, i. It i. It's, i. It, i. It, i. It, i. It, i. It, i. It, i. It, i. It, i. It, i. It, i. It's, i. It's, i. It's, i. It's, i. It's, the. It's, to. It's, to. It's, to. It's, to. It's, to. It's, to. It's, to. It's, to. It's, to. It out of ten night feeds really and then what about when you're not in camp though do you do does the baby just get given you no she tries to do that

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Starting point is 00:16:30 What, you forget how to change an appee? No, not that, but you know. I've been putting them get Uber 1 for students. It saves you on Uber and Uber eats. I'm there for zero dollar delivery fee on cheeseburgers, up to 5% off smoothies and 5% Uber cash back on rides. Just to be clear, I'm there for savings, not whatever you think University is for.

Starting point is 00:17:00 Get Uber one for students. to save on Uber and Uber eats. With deals this good, everyone wants to be a student. Join for just $4.99 a month. Savings may vary. Eligibility and member terms apply. No, but I find sometimes when you go away, maybe it's different when they're a little bit younger, but when they get older, you think they love boiled egg, It's hard to keep up. He does that all the time, but he'll pick and choose.

Starting point is 00:17:25 He has the thing for finding his food on the floor as well. Is your guy's ever doing? Like, you just pick up the food. And then I'm like, mate, you know you like this. Like you eat his the bottom lipust and just throws you on the floor. And then I try and tell him no. And then it's like, his bottom lip starts quivering and then it's just like, oh, give me a cut off, I'm sorry. How do you switch off them?

Starting point is 00:17:53 Because as a boxer, you're properly intense. You like, that's your, you really flip a switch. And speaking to you now, you're a the the to a different a different a different a different a different a different, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, the, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, their, their, their, their, their, their, they..... And, they. And, they. they. they. they. they. the they. too, is, is, is, is, like, is, to, the, they. the the the the, is, is, is, is, totally different person than in a post-fight interview. How do you switch off between the gym and then being a soft dad? I don't intentionally I look back at my fights sometimes like I watched my fights back I watched my fight some of my fights back yesterday my highlights and I like I go to myself as if that's me. I don't know if you know what I mean but I'm that guy do you find boxing more intense or your child not sleeping? Oh, definitely my child not sleeping. Oh my God.

Starting point is 00:18:32 You know what, every time mom goes away, which hasn't, it's not every time, one time she's gone away and I said, I'm not having him on my own ever again at this age. It goes to sleep perfectly normal like all the time. And she left and he obviously just knew she wasn't there and he was up screaming, bouncing up and down in his cot at like 3 in the morning, wouldn't sleep and I'm sitting up just like thinking oh my gosh I remember sitting on a step going how does Victoria do this? I think like it is so much harder. If it told me to have Eli for a day or do two training sessions a day at maximum effort I'd rather do two training sessions a day. 100% it's way more difficult when I go away to work

Starting point is 00:19:23 and you're like I've got to do two hours stand up that is so much ea than bedtime. There's there. There's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's no there's no there's no there's no there's no there's no there's no their their thi thi thi. I thi. I thi. I's no thi. I's no thi. I's like thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I thi. I's like thi. I's thi. I's thi. I's thi. I's no thi. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi. I'm thi work, and you're like I've got to do two hours stand up, that is so much easier than bedtime. There's no comparison. Yeah, but I don't think you've seen how Connor and Tony Sims train though, Josh, for the way, his two training sessions are a bit more intense than you having a chat about debit cards to people in Ken Rob. I'm really sweating it out on stage there mate. I'm really giving it some. You're still quite young though, Connie. Only 25, sort of like have this career on the Virgil Well Title shots and a baby. Do you feel like you sort of, you know, like it's all happening quite quick. Yeah, sometimes I feel like I've been a porn lock and chew. Like when sometimes you sit back and you go bloody, I've got a baby to provide for

Starting point is 00:20:05 and then sometimes it's like, mate, not too long ago, I couldn't even look after myself. Do you tell me? Yeah, yeah. And then you like, oh, I've got, I've got misses that I have to provide for. We like this certain way of living

Starting point is 00:20:17 that I have to their X, Y, Z, a month. And then also on the verge winning a world title. Then I have this, and then you just sometimes just go, oh my gosh. But then again, I like the challenge. You know, I'm like, I'm that guy. Has it changed your attitude to boxing? Like, has it made you more focused? really. I mean, but in terms of being focused and driven, I don't think my son's done any of that for me. I don't rely on anyone for me to be successful. I don't rely on my son to get me out of bed in the morning or motivate me. You know, I do that off my own back because I like winning. I love winning.

Starting point is 00:20:59 You know, the fact that I can be the best fire in the world is enough motivation for me to get up and do my runs in the morning. What my son has changed in terms of me coming along is thinking about how long I want to be in this game for. Yeah, cause. Because boxing, I'm very selfish. I feel like it's very selfish. I don't have to box. Most people have to fight for a living. You know I've got secure investments that I

Starting point is 00:21:25 make sure I don't have to fight. I mean I choose to fight but then so what am I risk in my life for nothing technically to for bragging rights to have the best fighter in the world over my son so I look at him more from that like which is very I don't know if it's twisted I don't know if you guys get what I'm saying. Yeah definitely. Yeah and do that that that that that that that that that that that that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's the that's the the that's that's the the the the the the that's. I'm that's. I'm that's. I'm that's. I'm their. I'm their. I'm the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm not. I'm too. I'm too. I'm too. I'm te. I'm. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I don't know if it's twisted, I don't know if you guys get what I'm saying. No, definitely, yeah. And do you find that that's influenced because obviously your dad was a boxer? I wasn't born, he retired when I was born. I got the best of my dad, I suppose. I got him retired.

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Starting point is 00:22:34 Was he a bit more under the radar in Australia and place it in Spain? Or was it the thinn't of who he was. I wasn't aware my dad was famous. Do you know what he wasn't? I wasn't aware and which is mad thinking back I thought like having like going to private school that drug mom driving a Cadillac that's driving a Porsche living in a mansion that mom and jacuzzi but then you're not having to go to work was just normal life. But then you're here. Yeah exactly. Yeah obviously that's my reality, that's how I've grown up, so I wouldn't know no difference. And it was nice because my dad was just my dad to me. You know, I'm happy he raised me a board, I kept my innocence a lot longer and yeah, it was good, it was good, like.

Starting point is 00:23:15 When you did find out about your dad's sort of career, like as you got older because you moved out from that your your your your your your that your that your that your that your that your that your that your that th... to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to, to, to, to, to, to be, to be, to be to be, to be to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, th.......... And, the th. And, the their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, th. And, to me, to, th. And, th. And, th. And, to Australia to Essex essentially and you know I'm aware of this because I'm a big boxing fan and you moved over on your own with no one he didn't see any of your family and he's in a little flat and you was trying to be a boxer and at the start you were you got a lot of grief for being oh he's only getting opportunities because of the too the today. And the start you were a good fire but you didn't sort of a good one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one. the to. the to. the the to. to. the to. the the to. to. the the to. the to. the to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. the the th. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. to. to. to. to. the. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. the beginning and then you went and trained with Tony Sims and you've become one of the biggest prospects. Did that give you more motivation then because of the grief he was getting about your dad? Have you guys got kids? Yeah. So you know when someone says to me, oh you've only got what you've got because you're dad. Say if that is the case and that is the truth, don't get one of the hardest sports in world. How good is that? Because I want my sons to have every opportunity and this, what parents do. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:24:10 Yeah. Do you know what I mean? So the person who all the people already don't that obviously haven't got it from their parents and their enemies or jealous about it. Or it's other parents who wasn't able to give that them kids. Do you know what I mean? So it's like, mate, is that not the whole plan? Is that not what it is to their parent? Yeah, yeah. Of course. You know what I'm trying? To give your kids a head start in life, that's the goal. If my son, I mean, my son's already like, he ain't got nothing to worry about. Do you know what I mean? And, and he hasn't, because at the end of the day, I'm gonna make sure that I have to die and all the T's across when it comes to him being,

Starting point is 00:24:47 whatever it is he wants to be. I will make sure all end doors he has access to. And I can go, yeah, son, you walk through that door. Yeah, it's something interesting where you say people have to fight but you choose to fire which actually makes you more dangerous. That's what I feel at the end of the day I don't I don't have to fight you know what I mean? The problem is is when you come from nothing that as they say I mean no one really comes from nothing but when you come from nothing and you achieve a little something you think you've made it. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:25:26 But then when you come from everything, I mean say a young millionaire, to me that's nothing because my dad's set the bar so high that I'm not even complacent whereas you grab someone out in the mud and put on where I am that, they've cracked it at life. They're successful, they're done, they're finished. When you grew up in that kind of lifestyle, did your dad th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, life. They're successful, they're done, they're finished. When you grew up in that kind of lifestyle, did your dad try and give you drive in a different, how did you instill this kind of winning ethic in you? I think I'm the only one out of my siblings,

Starting point is 00:25:57 maybe, no, I'm with my two younger siblings, but I think it's down to just the life skills that he's taught me. So I used to paint and decorate in Spain from a kid from like full day shift from like 7 a.m. till there's like 4 p.m. I used to do painting and decorate for 20 euros a day. Yeah, 20 euros. I mean, they got me doing the shit jobs like rolling the ceilings and and like, hard work, do you know what I mean? And that's for 20 euros a day. I remember I saved up my money and bought a hundred eurow what I bought my mom a 100

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Starting point is 00:27:10 Do you think it would be the same of your son as well? You'll be tough for him like that? I know. I know. I always thought I would be, I always thought I would be, I would be, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I th., I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I guess, I th. I th. I, I, I think I've got it in me to be as firm as my dad was with me. Yeah, because you're very similar to your dad, but I think you're a bit more composed, I'd say, do you think? Or because my impression of him, obviously you know him way better, but you feel like you're more composed and you channel energy, right? Right? He's just like a big ball of energy that sort He is, he's, he's, um, he's crackers my dad.

Starting point is 00:27:46 And it's funny, I mean, the older I'm getting, the more I realise I'm very near that mask as well. That's the crap. I know it's bizarre, but I think you are what, you are what your parents are. Yeah, you can't get away from it. When you're parenting, oh go, oh God I'm parenting like my dad or do you feel like you're different parents? No, I'm a very different parent I think I think. Yeah, my dad was like a disciplinarian. Yeah. I mean, and I'm not 100% sure on that same

Starting point is 00:28:21 approach. I mean, listen, it's certainly me well because, I mean, look at me. Do you approach. I mean listen it served me well because I mean look at me do you know I mean but with my other siblings he won't as hard on them but then you look at them and they're soft you know they're so soft like they're so soft like they don't live in a real world which is fine but they're like living like a bubble and it's really funny to watch because I'm like why could I not just be that kid as well yeah why did I have I have I have I have I have I have I have I have I have I have I have I they I they I have I they I they I they I they I they they they they they they they they they they they that I have that I have that I have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have that I have to have like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that I that I that I that I that I that I that I that I th I that I th I that I that I that I that I have like like like like like like like like like that I that I have that I have that that that that that that that that that th. th. th. th. thi thi that that that thi that that that that that that that that that that that's really funny to watch some like why could I not just be that kid as well? Yeah, why did I have to why did I have to be like you could have just got on love island and done brand deals? Perfect. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know here I am getting punching the face for living. It's just yeah. I just think if my dad had to be firm or me to be the man I am now, so be in.

Starting point is 00:29:07 Do I mean, we didn't get on for ages. We didn't get on for ages, me, my dad. We didn't get on for years, man. Was that when you were still living in Australia? Yeah, so it mainly started. It was in Spain a little bit, so I was 13, 13 right 13 13 13 13 right 13 right 13 right 13 right 13 right 13 right to 13 right to 13 right to 13 right to 13 right to 13 right to 19 right to 19 right to 19 right to 19 right to 19 right to 19 right to 19 right to 19 right to 19 right to 19 to 19 to 19 to 19 to 19 to 19 to 19 to through to 19 I reckon. Really? Just the teenage years? What was that too many rules and stuff like that? He just didn't know, I don't know. He just had a lot of things going on himself.

Starting point is 00:29:32 Do you know what I mean? Obviously affected me mainly because I was the oldest of my. And you're more aware of what's going on? Yeah. on. I was more aware of what's going on, yeah, so it really affected me and then me growing up I was like, what, you think you can tell me what to do? Yeah. I mean, obviously could because he's like Nigel Ben. But I mean, he can't destroy it, you know, you can't do something, you know, there ain't no two threats about it. Exactly. He was in the military as well, wasn't he? So he had the boxing training and he was in the army, wasn't he? Yeah, that's what I'm saying. So he was a disciplinarian, but then you got to remember his whole life, his whole career,

Starting point is 00:30:10 it's just a madness. Like when you, I don't know if you have to have it, I don't know what, I don't know, the to I understand you dad. And you know what, I love you for just the man you are. Do you know what I mean? I completely get it, but it's that to take me, well, as long as it took me, which years I regret hating my dad when really he just had a lot going on as a man. And does that kind of inform you, do you think I really don't want that to happen with my own son? I think so, but I mean, my dad was just very firm on me as well, so it's a completely different approach than I would have my son. Yeah. I've been able to, for him

Starting point is 00:30:58 to just talk to me, do you know, and me could just sit there. To know that my son's to know that thu. To let him him him him him him him him him him him him him him him him him him him him him him him him him him him him him him him him him him him him thi he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he thi he that he that my son's going to go through some stuff, to know that let him know that it's okay, to let him know that I've been there, show me? I've made the mistakes. I know what you're talking about. Rather than talking to him out of fear that he's becoming exactly like me. I think it's a different generation as well. You're a lot more open and we talk more, you know, you're 10 years younger and you've in the past, I think I spoke you about when you used to get down with boxing and then you were speaking about it and then you sort of got your head right, where I think that wasn't an option for when you're the dark destroyer and you're a fighter in the 80s and 90s, there wasn't a space where you could say how to say. they. thia. I I I I I I I I you. thia. thia. thia. thin you're thin you're thin you're thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, I's thin, I'm thin, I'm thin, I'm thin, I thin, I thin, I th. thin, I thin, I thin, I thin, I thin, I thin, I thin, I thin, I thi, I was th. I was th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I thin, I thin, I thin, I thin, I thin, I thin, I thin, I thin, I thin, I thin, I thin, I thin, I tha's tha's cried on my shoulder numerous times, do you know what I mean? Well, that's some moments that only me and my dad know about. Do you know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:31:50 And my dad is something, like, he's a special man. Do you know what I mean? I think the half you know like listen yeah you're like you're like a legend do I mean you yeah yeah you are you are who you are you are you know I mean he doesn't he doesn't try and still still your line like either he really let you get on with your career and he comes to yeah he doesn't come on yeah yeah do I mean do you don't even like he he's like, yeah, good luck in the old Barbie. I just got to shoot him, do you know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:32:28 But he like, he just lets me crack on and do what I've got to do, but he raised me the man I am now, do you know what I mean? Yeah. When's to me being here, I'll do what needs to be done. And do you think, how would you feel feel feel feel feel feel feel feel feel feel feel feel feel feel feel feel feel he was born and for quite a long time into him becoming a toddler. But now I've got to a stage where it's like, I can do what he wants. Who am I to go? No, you ain't boxing. Don't get me wrong. It's brutal and it's not, not, like, I won't put put it, oh yeah, let's put me in a boxing gym and get, make some amateur fights. No, if he wants to go to the boxing gym with me and train, you can come. If he wants to put on the gloves, put on

Starting point is 00:33:15 the gloves. If you want to fight,their own decisions I think you're forcing your children to be stand-ups aren't you are absolutely yeah I just want to retire as soon as possible they can go out by the way what's that I'm nerve-wracking his stand-up not as nerve-wracking it's boxing no it must be because I was watching Britain's got talent and the skis I come out with some dead jokes and I'm just thinking, oh wait, I'm going like I'm going like this. And I couldn't watch it because I was just like thinking, oh mate that must be so awkward. Like it's cracks a few chokes and then one's just staring at him.

Starting point is 00:33:56 You're getting punched in the face but no, but I think it's all the hate because it's just you on your own. You have a training team but you're in the ring on your own you're on your own you're on the stage on your own but after a while you get used to rejection doing it wrong and then you realize you don't really care because you know you're funny and you're trying to be the same for discussion. I'm saying. Do you just tell yourself you're funny and that's it end up for discussion? I'm funny. If there's no one in the theater, then I'm not. But if they keep buying tickets, they must be doing something right. Do you mean?

Starting point is 00:34:33 It's easier than boxing as well because you've got 21 fights undefeated. If you're a stand-up you will lose 50 fights in your first six months. Like as a stand-up, you go so badly at the start so often that you kind of just get a really thick skin through, I think. It's a bit like the amateur, that's sort of like the amateurs. You didn't really do much of the amateurs, but in the amateurs, but in the amateurs, but then in the start and it for pros when they turn over. So that's a bit like you getting a gig in Plymouth, your first five gigs in front of your friends

Starting point is 00:35:09 and family. You're not going to lose that one. And it's only as you go up to the levels it gets tougher which is where Connors at now. But I hate gigging in front of my friends and family. I find that really stressful. Like that, I that, I that, I that, I that, I that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, th. thi thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, in front thi, in front their their their their their thi, in front thi, in front their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their, in front their, in front their their, in front thi, in front thi, in front thi, in front thi, thi, thr-in, thrown, thrown, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. thi. thi. thrown, thi, thi, thi, th don't want any of you to come and watch this because I'll feel, it'll make me feel more stressed. I didn't come to any of my amateur fights. Really? He didn't come to one. And did he want who? I don't know, but I never let him anyway. Yeah. What about your, because you're, what's going to be interesting is you're only 25, you could fight for another 10 years really if you wanted to. No, he's not interested about that. When are you retiring? 30?

Starting point is 00:35:50 No, before I'm 30. And then what you're going to do? Do you know what I mean? But I understand there's more to life and boxing, whether it's commentary, whether it's yeah TV work, whether it's, you know, commentary and talk, talk, there's arm, whatever it is, even if it's outside of sport, forget sport, yeah, the limelight sort of work. I would probably go into PT, I'd probably go into training one-on-one clients for 80 quid now. Yeah, but so what's your goal then?

Starting point is 00:36:24 Is it like, because if you're, because of the most fightersers, to to to to to to try, try, try, try, try, try, try, try, try, try, the, the, the, the, the, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, tom, tom, to, tom, tom, then? Is it like because if you're, because at most fighters we want to try and get as much money in as possible, which is why you know people like Amir Khan and Kelbrook were fighting you know when Amir Khan was probably a little bit past it, good for those last big paydays if you're financially secure, what is your legacy? What is it you're after the World Title because if I can't in the next couple. the next, the next, the next, the next, the next, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, the to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to to to be, to be, to to to to to to to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to to, to, to, to to to to their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, is their, is their, is their, is their, is their more about the world title because if I can't in the next couple years we'll, well, next couple, next in the, within the year we'll know how good Connor Ben if Connor Ben is the best in the world. And if I'm not the best in the world, what am I doing?

Starting point is 00:37:00 Yeah. What am I doing? Do you? Health is wealth, isn't it? So it's like, well, what? I doing? Do you know what I mean? Because you health is wealth and it they say so it's like Well, what I'm gonna keep risk in my health when I'm not gonna be the best in the world And what am I doing it for a patriot? Well, you know as a as a fan of yours is that pain? Was it pain odd who you had a dream actually was he called pain old where Conrad had a close fight with his French bloc and you just narrowly? and you went he got knocked down he got knocked down and then really most prospects you would go right just move on from him because he was a difficult fight and forget about it and get another fight but you demanded that rematch totally unnecessarily from a career point of you so how will that mindset not change from now to when you're a bit older if you go close to someone the best in the world. Do you know me? For me, I know you said you're retired early at 30, but I couldn't see you retired in two years time as a world champion, but also fighting through in about 40 because of your personality. You could go either

Starting point is 00:37:53 way. Yeah, what? I'm a strong believer in the right doors open and the wrong doors closed. So whatever doors open, whenever it's time for me to go go. the the to to the to the to the to to the to the to the the the the to their. to their. to their. th. th. th. th. th. to to to to th. I's. I's. I'm. I'm. I's thirty. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I's. I's. I's th. I's th. I's th. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm t. I'm t. I'm t. I'm retired. I'm retired. I'm retired. I'm t. I'm retired. I'm retired. I'm retired. I'm retired. I'm retired. I'm retired. I'm retired. I'm retired. I'm time for me to go, it's time for me to go. And would your wife say, would you, if she said, I want you to stop because, you know, we've got a family now and stuff. No, she would never say that. She'd be like, oh, we've got to part with you every day of the week now. That's what I'll be doing. And do what probably, probably, probably, probably, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, probably, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, probably, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, th. th. th. th. I'll, th. th. th. th. th. th. th, th. th. th, th. th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, thi, thi, tho, tho, tho. And, to, tho. And, tha, tho. And, tho. And, tho. And, th. And, th. And, I probably won't retire to my back 50 60 otherwise it's a lot of night feeds. I'd rather...

Starting point is 00:38:27 Yeah, exactly. So I know I'll make you right to be honest, Rob. Yeah, you'll do another fight, another fight if there's a baby on the way. When you're not fighting though and you're not in camp, do you have a lot of holidays with your wife and kid as well? Maybe, you're making time for that? Yeah, what I did realize is going on holiday with baby isn't really a holiday. No, no. I realized I went Paris and it was just like, oh, man, I come back. I was just like, I am so drained.

Starting point is 00:39:00 It's brutal because it was either we're shopping or on daily daycare. So it was, it wasn't really like, it ain't really like holiday, but it's lovely because you have like, you have like little special moments in the holiday. All of its madness, no relaxing, mayhem, chaos everywhere. And then you'll have like one little 30 40 minute window where it's like that was really amazing and that makes up for the whole ruin rest of the day. You know what I mean? It's weird though it's so true. And all the money and everything which was just wasted and ruined and come back

Starting point is 00:39:40 cold so monsters in my mouth because I drained. That 30 minute window, it's perfect. When's the last time before a fight that you'll see your wife and son? A week before? A week before? Oh wow. But I'm like, so in my, in my zone at that stage. I can basically live in the same house and not be...

Starting point is 00:40:05 I have to really work on it of being in the room because I'm there but I'm not present. I have to make sure I'm like very conscious of being in the room with my family. Otherwise, I can really easily not be present. It must be quite like almost like an escape to do like little things with your kid like go to the park or like those minor things in life like change it. You live in England yeah yeah do not see the weather outside majority of the time. I didn't get spoiled by growing up in Australia and I go into Spain so

Starting point is 00:40:41 I'm more with it. Oh, fair, fair, fair. I can't believe Josh just threw a pot shot. I'm going to go. He's only so many. Don't find out because he's on the other side of this lap. But, you know what? It's hard for me to switch off. But, um, you know what, it's a, uh, it's just one of them things, man. I try to, but even when I try to, nah, you know what, it's hard for me to switch off

Starting point is 00:41:07 when I'm in training, when I'm not preparing for a fight, they're big fights, do I mean, I'm selling out seven half as in an echo arena and then, you know, another seven-half M-EN arena. I'm so goal driven to that, that one moment that everything, that, that, that, thian, that, thian, thian, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thin, thin, thin, thin, when I'm thin, when I'm so-I's thian, when I'm so-I, when I'm so-i, when I'm thian, when I'm thian, when I'm thian, when I'm thian, when I'm thian, when I'm thian, when, when, when I'm thian, when I'm thian, when I'm thian, when I'm thian, when I'm thian, when I'm thian, when I'm thian, when I'm thin, when I'm thin, when I'm thin, when I'm thin, when I'm thin, when I'm thin, when I'm thin, when I'm thin, when I'm thin, when I'm thin, when I'm so-a'-I'm thin, when I'm so-I'm so-I'm so-I'm so-I'm so-I'm thrain, that one moment, that everything else becomes irrelevant, you know, as it's up, it's benefits and as it's down. It's only a short period though really, your career in boxing, you live for six, seventy, eight years and it's what, 10, 15 years of, you know, well you've only got going for about five years really, but like, yeah, so I've been quite six years, well I could potentially have got another half tops another one of them. How quick this year's gone now? Yeah, yeah, exactly. But then your son will be seven and then you're retired, sorted for life and you can really

Starting point is 00:41:54 be there for your son and maybe other kids you have. So it's just a short part of your time that you have to dedicate to it. But then it's that thing, it's sort of feast or famine, the work, the work, the work, the work, the work, the work, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, thi, thi, thi. thi. toa, to bea, to bea, thi. And then, to bea, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, to be, to be, and then, to be, to be, to be, to be. And, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, and then, their, and then, tomorrow, and then, and then, tomorrow, and then, together, and then, tha.cester. Yeah, and then, tome sort of feast or famine, isn't it? The work you're putting in now will pay off when, if you can retire in six years, really, you know, and have achieved your goals and then dedicate your time to your wife and kids. It's worth it, isn't it? Yeah, I mean, it's hard. I mean, because sometimes it really hits me. I mean, because sometimes it really hits me and then sometimes I'm like fine about it.

Starting point is 00:42:27 Do I mean like it will be like fine up until I like hit a wall and I'm like, oh my gosh. Yeah. Who do you speak to? Have you got friends or your train or is it you ring your dad? But you know because you are, you know, they're 24 hours in a plane away, your family? Yeah, like my mom hasn't seen my son yet, Yba, her first grandson. Grandchild, yeah I know, it's COVID, it's all just like, it's all just mad, but it feels like being a blur as to how I've got to where I've got to sometimes. Would you ever consider like moving your family when you finished boxing and stuff?

Starting point is 00:43:01 Would you move to Australia or would you consider moving out of the UK? Australia is too far, Australia is too far I think from everything. I would move abroad, but it would still be in Europe. Again, there's so much going on, I sometimes think to myself, I don't know how I like, I managed, but I do talk to a life coach. Oh really? Yeah, it does help because it's like sometimes you don't know if you're processing things the right way. Like just because you're... Like maybe I'm not processing it probably. Or maybe I am processing it but maybe not the right way. Or maybe I'm dealing with this the wrong way because it's like I feel like I'm still trying to find out who I am. But they're like, I don't feel like I am what the public think I am. What do you think the public think?

Starting point is 00:43:45 Well, I'm like this intense, aggy, aggressive guy. But I'm not, I'm far from that. But then maybe that's, maybe I am that guy. Do you know what I mean? Or maybe you've got a switch to everyone has their public persona that but a part of you is that you hold and you train and you unleash when you fight but you don't let it slip into your personal life? I don't know I mean he comes out now and then. I swear that keys on the road cut out this morning, was that, that's definitely.

Starting point is 00:44:27 So what you're saying is you don't know if you produce the aggression and the sort of angry Conorben or that is the real you and you have a calm side in order to sort of, you know, live in society? Yeah, I don't know. Do you know what I mean? I don't know? It's mad because, because it's like, yes, I'm just trying, you, you, you, I, I, I, I, I,this certain way and people perceiving you a certain way and you sometimes you like, like, to try and want to know who you are, not who am I. Yeah. Forget the people you're around and the world you live in. And I mean, when I mean, what I mean, I mean, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm just, I'm just, I'm, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm, I'm just, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I'm, I, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, want to know who you are, who am I? Yeah. Forget the people you're around and the world you live in. And I mean, when I mean, what I mean, the sphere I live in, which ain't great. But it's like, okay, so forget all of that. Let's take it down to the call. Who am I? What do I say that? Or what do I believe him? Because sometimes it gets clouded by everything going on around you. I'm not talking close friends and talking just across the board. It's fear I live.

Starting point is 00:45:32 And I throw to life coach is really helpful for that because it's someone that's dedicated to listen to you and help you work that out. Yeah, because it's like, who are you? Forget what X, YZ is doing. Forget what they're doing, forget what they're saying or what their approaches on life, forget what the public think of you, forget who you've got to be for the public, who are you? Yeah and I'll say your dad's very religious and did you, was you brought up with religion and do you still practice religion or is it something as an adult you don't do as much? Yeah, I go to church every Sunday.

Starting point is 00:46:05 I go to church every Sunday. Don't get me wrong. I was brought up in religion, but not the sort of, not like when I mean religion, I mean religion, not relationship, I believe in relationship, I don't believe in religion. What do you mean by that? Like, God ain't out to punish you. Do you know what I mean? In my opinion thia thia thia thi thi thi thi thi thii thi thi thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, tho, tho, thi, thi, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm tho, I'm tho, I'm tho, I'm tho, I'm tho, I tho, I tho, I tho, I'm tho, I'm tho, tho, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thoooooooooooooooan, I'm to to to to to to to to to thooooooooooo.. I? In my opinion, I thought God's going to punish you for this like, oh mate.

Starting point is 00:46:27 Yeah, that was a massive issue in my life growing up was religion. Really? No, I told by my school that had demons in me and I needed deliverance. Oh man, I'm not fucking 13 year old kid, man. So what you, what are you laughing? No, no, I'm just, I wasn't, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I, I, I'm, I'm a, I'm, I'm, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, that, th. th. th. th. th. th. that, th. that, th. that, th. th. that, that, that, th. that, that, that, I'm Rob? No, no, I'm just, I wasn't laughing. That's how my face was. You're like, you're like, yeah, no, they were definitely right. No, I wasn't. I was like, I'm always got this face on. That's how I look. But I was in really religious school in Australia then, because that's what it was. Sorry, that's my face falls. You know when people that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's their the terrible. That's how it falls. You know when people think you're aggressive all the time, that's how your face looks.

Starting point is 00:47:05 Well, people always think I'm laughing. Everyone always thinks you're angry. Do you know, I can't take you seriously now, Rob? Sorry, I'll tell my camera off. I'll stop smiling. My mouth's too big. We were talking, the their their their their too much for you. Yeah no it was a very religious school there's told like demons in me and it just weren't um it weren't nice you know I mean because I was like I was a kid then I was told the antichrises coming in the world's going to come to an end on New Year's

Starting point is 00:47:38 Oh my word oh my word. Oh my word. Yeah my words. My son the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the school the school the school the school th is my words. th is my words. th is my words. th is my words. th is my hands hands hands hands hands hands hands hands hands hands hands hands hands hands hands hands hands hands hands hands hands hands hands hands hands hands hands hands hands hands hands hands hands hands my hands hands hands my. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh my. Oh my. Oh my. Oh my. My. My. My. My. My. My. My. My. My. My. My. My. My. My. My. My. My. My. My. My. My. My. My. My. My. My. My. My. My. My. My. My. My. My. My. My. My. My. My. My. My. My. My. My. My. My. My. My. My. It's. My. My. My. My. My. It's. My. My. It's. It's. It Joe, I look back now and I got, mate, you damaged so many lives. Yeah, really. So many lives. I don't care what you say, you ruin lives. Just messed up man. So I know and that troubled me for so long. Like, I'd like, it was quite traumatic. Obviously, my parents weren't aware because they had their own issues that they were their their their their their their their their their their their they had their own issues that they were going from. So basically my school was a really private school of about 30 kids but our

Starting point is 00:48:09 schools also compliant with our church so it was all over one branch. Right. Because of our school were pastors in the church. Oh so it's all in together. Yeah so Monday to Friday school Friday church, Friday church, youth club and then Sunday Church, and Saturday voluntary work for the church, that was all like in bed with each other. Do you know what I mean? Right. That was so, like, honestly thought it was same wrong with me. Really? Because what they were telling you? Yeah, for so long I thought it was same wrong with me. Oh man. Oh, it's so hard. Especially at that age when you don't know who you are at that age or what you are, you're so confused anyway as a teenager.

Starting point is 00:48:47 So to have people in authority to tell you. Yeah but it was like my parents believed it because it was the church saying it. Oh man. My dad was like, I thought I needed deliverance because obviously the church and school was saying it. That was our world. So, and my mom and dad now can't apologize enough. Like, they're like, I'm so sorry. Like we are, so my mom just cries about it all the time. But I'm like, you didn't know. Do you mean, like, that was what was best for me. I think it's really interesting.

Starting point is 00:49:21 It's interesting you've kept the religion that like you've the the the the the the the th... I think it's really interesting that you've, it's interesting you've kept the religion that, like you've kept a relationship, you go to the church on Sundays, like a lot of people would just push the whole thing away. It took me ages, man, like, like I fell off, I fell off loads. Like, I've made so many bad decisions in my life and I was only harming myself. No I mean in those decisions, but when you look back, th you th you turn away from my parents, or no wonder I turned away from the church, or no wonder I went down this rebellious route and it's this bad route.

Starting point is 00:49:53 But then it's like, what, even my parents believe I have demons in it. Yeah, oh at least, you know, that must have been so hard, at least you sort of all made up. But they didn't know. Yeah, no, they that that that that that that that that that that that's that's that's that's they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they made up. But they didn't know, did you know what I mean? So I know it's like quite deep, but they didn't know. Yeah, no, they thought they were doing the best thing for you. Yeah, yeah, so and then when my dad obviously said anything he had to say and he confessed, theyrific man when he didn't, confessed all his mistakes to us, I was like what? You had the nerve the nerve the nerve the nerve the nerve the nerve the nerve the nerve th th. th. You that was like, that was like, th. You had that was like, that was like, that was like, th. You had that was like, th. You that, that, th. th. that's th. thathe thathea' that thathea' thathe a thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thathe thathe thathe thathe thathe a thathe a that, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. that, that, that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that they were they were they were that, like, what? You had the nerve to tell me I got issues. When you've done it.

Starting point is 00:50:29 That was what it was like. I needed counseling for years, years, to get on with my dad. Do you know what though? I'd say like, because I've spoken to a lot of boxers and a lot of athletes, and you're so young still, but I think that council you've done has been so helpful even though it was prompted by a terrible experience I think in a way and you never know at what point something's good or bad for you and obviously it was a horrible thing to go through but the benefits from that is the counseling you've received you are so

Starting point is 00:50:56 so level headed and so composed and so in control of your emotions and planning of what you want to do. You're not to to You're running on sort of a positive energy of you know you are and you know what you're doing and I think the counseling's been imperative in that and I think it's what's helped you're the progents. Obviously you're a naturally gifted athlete but your mentality and your training is second to none. And I think from from a composed mind it's really helped. You say that because I've gone from that up until I was 18, 19, then I've come here and I've been Connor Ben. So I've had no time to really go, hold on a minute, let's think before I went to that

Starting point is 00:51:36 school and knew before I went there to them when I started getting in trouble from 18 to 19. And by the way, what happened with me and my dad was what was a godsend, was I got in trouble. It's a proper trouble. And bearing in mind I need to be counseling for me and my dad to get to be talking. 18 I got in trouble. And he, I come home and he, he went, son, I love you.

Starting point is 00:52:06 And literally that moment was like the whole dynamic, the whole ice broke between us. Oh wow. Which was, and then 19, I come here, and then I'm like, oh man, why have I got to move to England and live here? When me and my dad, now I start getting on. Yeah. And then everyone talks to you about your dad.

Starting point is 00:52:28 Yeah, then I'm like, oh man, I just wish them years of growing up. I had spent on good terms of my dad. Yeah, of course. But now I'm like, mate, I wish I could get that time back. Yeah, of course. Yeah, yeah, of course. How that life works, you know, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah, but it's a long life and you're still young. The good thing is that'll inform how you parent, and I'm, I imagine you're kind of, you know, you're doing everything you can not to get in that situation yourself with your own son.

Starting point is 00:52:55 Yeah, I'll take my him to have a relationship with God. And I'm not going to be like, if you don't pray ten times a day, you're going to help. Do you know? Yeah, of course. Any relationship shouldn't be dominated by fear, whether it's a relationship with God or with yourself or of a partner, or your job or your industry, anything that's run off fear, fear's adrenaline, it's an impulsive response, you can't have lots of it, because you eventually burn out or have a breakdown because it's too much, it's too much to cope with. So I think, you know, whatever relationship you have, as long as it's not

Starting point is 00:53:35 run by fear. But yeah, I think it's such an interesting story and I think it's so good, you're so open to to be open about about about th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, to to th.. But, th. But, th. But, th. But, th. th. th. th. thi, tho, tho, tho, tho, thr-a, thrown, thi, thi, thi, and I's thi, and I'm, and I'm, and I'm, and I'm, and I'm, and I'm, and I'm, and I's, and I's, and I's, and I's, and I's, and I's, and I's, and I's, and I's, to, to, to, and I's, to, and I's, they. And, they. And, they. And, they. And, they. And, they. And, you's a thin, you're thin, you're thin, you're thin, you're thin, you're thin, you're thin, you're they's aa. And, you're thin, you're and the stuff you're going for, just be open about all that kind of stuff and... I haven't been open about it much, not as much as this I don't think. To be able to talk about stuff like that is just so useful for so many people who are listening, I think. I think it's still struggle now. It would I have been if I was able to have a childhood. Yeah, and I think as well it's that thing of you, all these things that you go through as a kid sort of open up again when you have kids because you start going,

Starting point is 00:54:16 well when I was at that age, what was happening to me? Do you probably get it when you'll probably think about it and how you felt going to school and things like that. It all comes back up again. I think it's maybe very soft now about looking at my son. I'm like, man, like, I pray that you have like all the childhood, that I'm the whole experience of whatever it is, like being able to watch a kids film like Disney like I just loads of stuff man like oh Disney run by all that mate let me let me like Lion King man

Starting point is 00:54:56 let me enjoy it Harry Potter yeah yeah I'm saying yeah let me enjoy it Harry Potter or Lord of the Rings, or... I've only just started, facts for you. Yeah. Yesterday, day before, it was the first time I've watched one of the Harry Potter's, about Ascaband and whatever it is. Yeah, yeah. Do you like it?

Starting point is 00:55:19 Yeah, I felt, I felt sick. Let me live. Yeah. So what's on your list stuff to do with your son when he gets older then? Because then you can sort of live through him, can't you? Anything else? Harry Potter? Well, we're dressed up Halloween costume. Yeah. Exactly. Big Halloween party. It's only when I've told my other half that this was what I was told that she goes, oh my gosh, like, yeah. She's lived like a really normal childhood.

Starting point is 00:55:50 Because yeah, because what I would say is it don't matter how powerful, how powerful God is, your wife will always win. Exactly. When you talking about, when you talk about fear, I fear my wife more laughing. Conna, that's been absolutely amazing. We have one last question we always ask. talking about when you talk about fear trust nothing my wife won't laugh at Connor that's been absolutely amazing we have one last question we always ask

Starting point is 00:56:09 but I don't want you to get a slap around the ear from your wife it's a what's the one thing your partner does parenting wise that annoys you but you don't want to bring it up in case you have an argument is there something she does that winds that winds when he moans okay so it's a double whammy. Yeah no I mean like I'll be like me like he's a baby like babies mom like allow him to mum. Where have you get love about it. I'm like I'm like like what you expect you know like when your baby's crying a winging you go oh yeah he's winching like what babies do she goes oh but he's moaning I'm like what would you expect yeah and she does it all the time and I'm like why would you make it? That's all the counseling and therapy coming in isn't it all that is what it is

Starting point is 00:56:52 nothing worse than being Zen when a baby's cried and you're not feeling Zen is there? It is what it is well it's fucking crying! Connie been absolutely amazing and I'm a huge fan and wish all the best for the fights coming up. And good luck with your retirement in three years. Retiring three years. Listen, I'm hopefully I'm in a yacht somewhere in the Pinocholana. Oh, fingers crossed. Conn, you've been absolutely amazing. Thanks so much, see you see the you. Take care. Connor Ben, there we go.

Starting point is 00:57:26 Do you know what, Rob? I'm going to say it. My C of E primary school was actually quite laid back about religion it turns out. Do you know what they're like, because there's so many starting scales of religion, we're like, we didn't do religion at all in my family, not from any people. I don't know, there was a lot of other stuff going on. But yeah, that was, he's so, I'm such a big fan of Connor Ben. He's, he's, obviously like, as he was talking, difficulties his teenage years and stuff, he moved over to England on his own after what was, obviously I didn't really realize

Starting point is 00:57:56 but quite a traumatic teenage years and he's been, he's got so many pelters when he first started boxing, everyone just going, oh he's only doing this because he's Nigel Ben's son, blah, blah, blah, blah, Nigel's Ben's son, blah, blah, and that must been so difficult when actually he was having quite a difficult time with his dad at that point. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he moved over. And he's getting all that. And when he's getting all, and when he first started he was very raw and he wasn't, and everyone, everyone, everyone, everyone, everyone, everyone, he, he, he, he, he, th... He's sort, to sort, to sort, to sort, to sort, to sort, to sort, to sort, to sort, to sort, to sort, to sort, th. He's, th, th, to, to, thin, to, to, blah, blah, blah, blah, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, blah, blah, to, to, to, to, to, the, to, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the the the the the the the they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they. they. And, to, to, they, they, they, their, th. actually, it's just all hype. But then he knuckled down and Tony Sims, who's a brilliant trainer, has been working so hard with him and that he's doing really, really well at the moment and he's becoming one of the best sort of prospects. So do you think he could be a world champion? 100% yeah, I mean he's at the level where he's beaten everyone at his level in his level in sort of the truly to to to to to to to th and th and th and th and th and th. th. th. th. th. thu thu thu thu thu thu thu-in thu-so thu-so thu-so thu-so thru-so thru-a-in thru-soe. thr-sovvvvvvv. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th thi, thi. thi-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii-a-a-a-athat he needs now so it's really in the next year or so he'll be fighting the top level to try and find out if he is truly world class because the current world champions are absolutely unbelievable so he's sort of got one more level to go up before the elite but when I'm talking about

Starting point is 00:58:56 some of the best like two or three fighters in the world so yeah he's a remarkable the the the the two two two two the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the they. they. they. they. He's they. He's their their their is. He's is. He's is their is their is. He's is. He's is their is. He's is. He's is. He's is. He's is. He's is. He's is is is. He's is is is. He's is. He's is is is is is. is is is. is is is is. is is is is is is is is is is. is is is is. is is is is is. is. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the true. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the I think he's a brilliant advert for sort of counseling. So I've spoken to him before about, he was very honest about his feeling down and his mental health and stuff. And I just think counseling, whether you've been through something traumatic or not, it's gives you a really measured way of looking at the world. Totally. It was amazing talk nothing to do you might absolutely shit someone will call him out at 42 and he'll come out for a fight

Starting point is 00:59:31 anyway that's kind of been absolutely brilliant and we'll see you on Tuesday bye

Parenting Hell with Rob Beckett and Josh Widdicombe - S04 EP36: Conor Benn

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