Parenting Hell with Rob Beckett and Josh Widdicombe - S04 EP38: Rich Wilson

Episode Date: June 10, 2022

S04 EP38: Rich WilsonJoining us this episode to discuss the highs and lows of parenting (and life) is the brilliant comedian - Rich Wilson. Rich's podcast 'Insane In The Men Brain' is available wherever you get your podcasts and we highly recommend giving it a listen! Please rate and review. Thanks, Rob + Josh.BIG NEWS.... we're writing a book! ⭐ All the stories we can’t tell on the podcast – in depth.⭐ What it’s like to raise a stiff neck and a loose neck – straight from the horse’s mouth (our parents)⭐ And.. the BIGGEST REQUEST WE’VE EVER HAD FOR THE PODCAST… Hearing from our wives, Rose & Lou. They’ve got a chapter each and YOU can submit your burning questions to them... [e-mail]'s it really like to be a parent? And how come no one ever warned Rob or Josh of the sheer mind-bending, world-altering, sleep-depriving, sick-covering, tear-inducing, snot-wiping, bore-inspiring, 4am-relationship-straining brutality of it all? And if they did, why can't they remember it (or remember anything else, for that matter)?And just when they thought it couldn't get any harder, why didn't anyone warn them about the slices of unmatched euphoric joy and pride that occasionally come piercing through, drenching you in unbridled happiness in much the same way a badly burped baby drenches you in milk-sick?Join Josh and Rob as they share the challenges and madness of their parenting journeys with lashings of empathy and extra helpings of laughs. Filled with all the things they never tell you at antenatal classes, Parenting Hell is a beguiling mixture of humour, rumination and conversation for prospective parents, new parents, old parents and never-to-be parents alike.Find out everything you need to know, including how you could win a pair of tickets to the Parenting Hell LIVE tour & an overnight stay in London here: https://www.bit.ly/ParentingHellBookWe're going on tour!! Fancy seeing the podcast live in some of the best venues in the UK?Of course you do, you're not made of stone! Tickets available now on the dates and at the venues below. We can't wait to see you there...ON SALE NOW 14th April 2023 - Manchester AO Arena19th April 2023 - Nottingham20th April 2023 - Cardiff 21st April 2023 - London (The O2)23rd April 2023 - London (Wembley)28th April 2023 - Birmingham Utilita Arena If you want to get in touch with the show here's how:EMAIL: [e-mail]: @parenting_hellINSTAGRAM: @parentinghellA 'Keep It Light Media' Production Sales, advertising, and general enquiries: [e-mail] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Hello, I'm Rob Beckett. And I'm Josh Willicum. Welcome to Parent in which Josh and I discuss what it's really like to be a parent, which I would say can be a little tricky. So, to make ourselves and hopefully you feel better about the trials and tribulations of modern-day parenting, each week we'll be chatting to a famous parent about how they're coping. Or hopefully, how they're not coping. And we'll also be hearing from you the listener with your tips, advice and of course tales of parenting woe. Because let's be honest there are plenty of times when none of us know what we're doing. Hello you're listening to Parenting Hill with Finn.

Can you say Rob Beckett? Rob Beckett. And can you say Josh Widdickum? Josh Biddley. Good boy. There we go. That's what I say to my dog. Good boy.

How is the dog? He's all right. He's quite easy, to be honest. Yeah, whippings. It's half cat. It's no stress really. He keeps nicking food off the, basically, he don't nick food off the table to anyone apart from my youngest, but that's because she waves it around right in front of his nose.

And she also secretly feeds him when we're not looking. So it's very difficult to tell the dog off because he's being, yeah, yeah. And we keep saying to eat and she floats it around so she sort of walks up and leaves her plate empty. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so it's a bit of a difficult one. But yeah, he's all right, it's good Fred, I'm going to take him from walking a minute. They're easy to walk. If you're the throwing, you can't the ball. throwne. tho. tho. thrown. thrown. thrown. thrown. thrown. thrown. thrown. thrown. thrown. thrown. thrown. thrown. thrown. thrown. thrown. tho, tho, tho, thrown. thrown, tho, tho, tho' thoof, thoof, thoof, thoof, tho' tho' tho' tho' tho' tho's sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort. throooooooooooooooooooo. throoooo. And throooo. And throoooooooo. And throooooooooooooo. And thr. And throooooooooo. And thr. And throoooooo. And thr. Oh, that looks really fun. It is fun, but what is annoying? You launch it, and then he just goes, nah, don't do that, actually. And then you walk 100 meters to find the ball.

Did I tell you we've got, I didn't tell you this. We've got to buy a fountain for our cat to drink from fucking the world. Because our cat's, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, we need to have to drink as much fluid as possible for the rest of our life. And good water. Yeah, but also cats like to drink from moving water. So you have to have a little cat fountain in your house. They've got little cat fountain in. So we've got a little cat. We've got a water feature in our kitchen.

So we've got a water feature in. Asked Tommy Walsh over the road. Charlie Dimmock to put it in. Why don't you get a nice one that can drink from? It needs to be one in... You can get them, they're constantly going, aren't they? They're quite easy to get. I'm quite looking forward to it when it arrives. Do you want to drink from it? Well I drink from it these flowing water things. Yeah, 25 quid. Oh, there's a nice ceramic one that's quite fancy that you could get, rather than a plastic one of you got. Oh, God don't. Because Rose listens to this and I've bought a plastic one already, Rob.

You've absolutely shi- Oh, no, you know what. What one of you bought? Catmate. 20 quid Amazon. Yeah. That is going. That is an absolute waste of plastic. That is never stayed in your ass. I could get away with that in my house. But do you know what? The person that takes it off our water, the person who takes it off our wall in a week will be absolutely delighted with it. So you're plumbed in? What? No, no. We don't have to plum it in, do we? No, no, it's what I'm saying. These ones are just sort of, it's they recirculate the same water in it. I just presume you plug it in and it'll go, right? There's some water might help, but apart from that, of course, yeah. This ain't working.

Well, I have to buy my own water. It's one of the things that when you find of thing. When you look at the options, you've just gone for a plastic and there's lots of options. I know, but it was at 430 last night, Rob. Hey, Rob and Josh, introduction from my three-year-old nephew Finn. He lives in Littlehampton West Sussex, but his mom is originally from Nottingham, so she's sometimes goes a bit northern much toruck she's written. Thanks for everything Joe from Crawley, West Sussex. Well done mate, he was a good one, I liked his. Yeah, it was a strong one wasn't it? Good old, solid. How are you, Josh all good? Or do you want to do some emails? What? What is feeling? I'm feeling alright. I've not got anything else in my life thi tasks. I think they're th th th th th th th th th th th th th th that th th. I've that that that that that that that that that that that. I've that. I've that. I've that. I've that. I've that that. I'm that. that tho' tho' tho' that that that. that. that. that that that that that that that that that that that that that that th. th. th. th. th. that th. th. th. that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that the that that that the that that the that th cat. Are we doing a sausage taste test?

What? Well, basically, my kids love sausages or hate them. And they'll go, oh, I don't like that when it's got greening. But I just sort of buy whatever sausages are on special at the shops. But then that leads to confusion to my children, and they all of a sudden won't eat them all and do a taste test and then once they pick the one they like best I'm gonna buy that one until they leave my house. That is a good idea Rob that's a genuinely good idea. It is isn't it and then you're guaranteed but you've overlooked that children sometimes will just suddenly decide they don't like

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Yeah. Right, worst case scenario is, yeah, cats go. Cat's gone. You're not spending as much on cat food? Yeah, positive. Less pet insurance. Less pay insurance, yep. And then you're always, how how many have a cat you got? One. You've done the grief early. It's not looming over you. Yeah. I mean, the death of a cat is a difficult one. That doesn't really work for the death of the cat. No, okay. How about this? Yeah. What, I'll give you something I'm stressed about. Okay. I am stressed about the impending deadline. the deadline of the first draft of our book. the the the the the the of. of. of. of. of. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. toe. toeck. toeck. toeck. toeck. that that's that's that's that's the the the the the the the the death of the death of the death of the death of the death of the the the the that's is is is that is that is that is that is that is that is of. that is of of of of of of of of of of of of that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that tape. the. te. te. teate. teate. that's the. the. the the the that's the. that's that's that's that's that that that of our book Rob. You're worried about that? Well as an example. It's an example. Well no, the advantage would be is it's done then isn't it? Once it's done, it's done. The advantage is the advantage is it will be

done and it doesn't drag on and also the advantages everyone works better to a deadline. 100% yeah you work better to do it. If they said you've got to next year to do it, it'll be hanging over you for the whole year. Oh, and I'd never get around to it. You'd feel like this at December if they said it had to be in the birth for January. Exactly. So you get it done and out the way. Like, you know, in Glastonbury, I don't know if you're planning stuff. to go here, want to go to go here here here here to go to go here here to go here to go to go here to go here to go here and to go to go to go here and to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go their. And you. And you'd to go to go to go to go. And you'd to go. And you'd to go. And you'd to go. And you'd to go. And you'd to go. And you'd to go. And you'd to go. And you'd to go. And you'd to go. And you'd to go. And you'd to go. And you'd to go. And you'd their. And you. And you. And you. And you. And you. And you'd their. And you'd their. And their. And their. And you'd to. And you'd to their. And to their. their. their. their. their. their. their. And you'd their. And you'd their. And you'm free and easy at Glastonbury. Surrender to it. Rob, you do not understand I'm a different guy when I'm at Glastonbury. I'm free and easy. So what taught me through Josh Widdocker at Glastonbury? Are you going to watch Supercross? I don't really care. I'll go watch TLC and where's the crowd going. I like this guy. Yeah I like this guy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah this guy this guy this guy this guy this guy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. this guy. Yeah. this guy. Yeah. this guy. Yeah. this guy. this guy. Yeah. this guy. Yeah. this guy. this guy. this guy. Yeah. this guy. this guy. this guy. Yeah. this guy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. this guy. this th. Yeah. Yeah. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm thee. the. thee. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. th. th. th.? It's the weekend. You're quite loose neck at Glastonbury. I am quite loose neck at Glastonbury. Yeah, I'm quite loose neck at Glastonbury. Yeah, I'm just a chilled out guy at Glastonbury. Yeah, I'm just a chilled out guy at Glastonbury because I'm not clinically insane. Oh God, I can't wait to hear weeks time. Have you taken children to festivals as well? Tell us how that went. You might be going on... Stagg Do then. That really is the weekend when me and you are a cliche of ourselves.

I don't know if it's happening though. I'm going to last and break and you're going on stag do. And you'll never, you'll be out of guess exactly where it's being touted around as well. Ocean Beach. Yeah. Yes, please. I will keep my eyes on Wayne Linnick's Instagram for that one. I was gonna say I don't think you want people to know, but if he wants to keep his stand to do quiet, you don't go to Ocean Beach, do you? Exactly. Exactly.

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After listening to the episode where Josh was lamenting how many At the moment, my two daughters are seven and four, and I are living temporarily with my parents who live in a beautiful converted barn. As you'll no-don't know, Barnes. And they live five hour drive away with their mom. So I drive for five hours and go up the stairs. No joke. As you know, no don't know. Barns tend to be rather long and the quirky the qui-and the the qui-a-a-n, and the the thoomomom, and thoom, and thi-a-a-n't-n't-o-o-o-s, thi-s, thi-s, thi-s, thoome-moome-moomorrow, tome, thi-me-me-moombough-m, tomomomorrow, tomorrow, tomomorrow, to-n, to-n, tomomom, tom, tom, tom, tom, tom, tom, tom, tom, tom, tom, tom, tom, tom, tom, tom, tom-n't-s-s-s-s-s-s, tombo-s-s-s-s-s-s-s-s-s-s, tomorrow-s, tomorrow-s, tomorrow-s, tomorrow-s, tomorrow-s, tomorrow, tomorrow-s, tomorrow-s, tomorrow-s know, Barnes tend to be rather long and the quirky layout means that the four bedrooms are split into two separate upstairs areas, both accessed by a separate staircase

at either end of a very long house. The spare bedrooms are available to us at the time of moving in, meant that they are in one section and I am in the other. They are so far away, I have to use a baby monitor so I can hear them in case of emergency even though they're seven and four. If I do have to go up to my bedroom my commute is as follows out of my bedroom along a landing down the stairs through a large hall down a step into the kitchen through the dining room through the lounge through another hall up the stairs along the landing arrive in daughter's bedroom. How many steps is that? One two three four five five six seven eight to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the to to to to to to to to the to the to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the tom. tom. tom. tom. tom. How many steps is that?

One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, oh no, I'm in actual steps, not the actual procedure. I don't know. Are you watching him do it? He's got, he's got long legs. Oh, Fiona. So probably shorter legs, probably more steps. Then to get back to my bedroom, I do the reverse. Women are smaller. He's not being sexist.

Not being sexist. That is a physical fact. He's not saying, Joshua Lank, he's not saying women can't walk. They can walk. He's not saying that. He's not saying the average height of a man. I'm not saying the average height of a man. Not me, I'm about the every type of a woman. You're an exception to the rule. You've got the height and the legs of a woman. Exactly. The body of a boy and the head of an old man.

Oh that is an image. If you could picture that, then do draw that and send it in. Okay, yeah that'd be lovely little sketch. Yeah, lovely. Okay, sorry, yes, this week we've got Rich Wilson. Oh, this is a great interview. Really, really good, really interesting. Well, we always try and get different people with different sort of parenting stories and Rich is, he had two kids at 20 and 25 and he's 50 now, so he's 50 now, so he's got grown-up kids and he had to move back in with his kids at one point when he, because he's separated from their mom when he separated from another partner, so he moved back in with his kids,

which is quite interesting. So yeah, it's really funny, but he's really funny, but he had to tell them a today. . It's a dad of men. really good podcast. I've been on it and it's him talking to comedians and it's really funny but also talking about male mental health and stuff like that but yeah it's not a serious one, it's fun and funny but they do touch on that which is good to talk about mental health. This is Rich Wilson. Rich Wilson welcome to the podcast. I've been wanting you on for ages

we go back a long way. Me too, just that's an awkward situation. No, no, no, no. I'm not saying Josh has been against it and I've had to sort of lobby. Finally, my resistance was broken down and here we are. You're like an MP that has to pretend they wanted, you know, just a certain rule. I did vote for that. Actually, I was away doing really important work. No, I've always wanted you on, I did your podcast, you've got a great podcast, insane in the membrane. That's it, thanks, mate. Which is a great, it's a great podcast. I've been on it. I've been on it. I don't know if you've been on it. No, that's why I don't want to want Josh on. Josh would be brilliant. I'd love to do it. This you won't remember that you compared a gig I did, which was one of the first gigs where I thought I'm onto something here, which was outside the box. And I, and it was my

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Oldest child we've had. Are you, what are you trying to do to Rich's self-esteem? I'm trying to give him a little victory here, Rob? Oh, a little picture, okay, sorry, you're also the oldest person we've th rich th rich th rich th rich wee th rich th rich we th rich we th we've th we've th rich th we've th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. I've th. I've th. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm th. I'm th. I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I, sorry, they hammering him. You're also the oldest person we've had on Rich. How does that make it? No, we haven't. No, Jonathan Ross was on. His kids are a bit younger, I think. Yeah, I think they are. Because we met probably, what, yeah, because you live around the corner, yeah, because we used to

the most Southeast London story I've ever heard. We used to drive each other, take turns driving each other. Normally Rich would drive me to football, Chris, but I helped you move a mattress in my car. But I remember at the time, like, you had like, kids that were 20, and I was about 23 and stuff, and stuff, and stuff, and stuff, and stuff, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, th....a, th. th. too. too. too. too. too. too. too. too. too. too. too. just working behind the bar at a comedy club and then how old were you and you did your first gig? So it's 32. Yeah so you did it a bit later did it that way around. What did you do before that? Oh man all manner of things I was a bus driver and a van driver and dug holes in the floor and I've a well documented story of me working in a gay sauna for a bit and I've worked everywhere. I kind of just went, saying comedy, I never even knew, I didn't, I didn't have designs to be a comedian, I just, I loved comedy and I could pull a pint so ended up working

in the comedy club. And then suddenly said, got famous, some of the comedians and they were like, you could probably do this and you could earn a few quid. And I was like, th. And I th. And I th. And I th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, I was, I was like, I've thi, I've thi, I've thi, I've th. I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've th. I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I. Yeah, I. Yeah, I. I. I. Yeah, I've th. I've th. I've th. I've th. th. th. th. th. th. th. t. t. t. t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t thi. t the comedians and they were like you could probably do this and you could earn a few quid and I was like yeah go on in and I just started doing it. Amazing. I'm not going back to university to be your friend. I'm going so I can get Uber 1 for students. It saves you on Uber and Uber eats. I'm there for zero dollar delivery fee on cheese burgers up to 5% off smoothies and 5% Uber cashback on rides. Just to be clear, I'm there for savings, not whatever you think university is for. Get Uber one for students, a membership to save on Uber and Uber eats. With deals this good, everyone wants to be a student.

Join for just $4.99 a month. Savings may vary. Eligibility and member terms apply. So talk me through what it's like like you find out at 20 that you're going to become a dad. It was a kind of, I think because when I, you know, when you're growing up, I don't know if this is just a working class thing. Nobody ever talked about further education. It was never like, oh, you're going to go to a union, you're going to do the best you can. He's always like, well you're going to go go, you're going to go, you're going to go, you're going to go, you're going to go, you're going to go, to go, you're going to go, to go, to go, to go, to go, to go, you're going to go, you're going to go, you're going to to to, you're going to, you're going to, to, to, you're going to, you're going to, I'm, I'm going to, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I'm, I'm, I'm going to, to, to, to, th. tha, tha, tha. tha, you're going to get a job, you're going to get a job, and then you're going to, because then, because then you're going to meet someone and then you're going to get married and you're going to have kids and that's basically how it was always told to me. So when I was, when I was they, when I, when I was they, when I was they, when I was told, when I was told, when I was told, when I was told, when I was they. they. they. they, when I was they. they. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. to, when, when I was told, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, because, because, because, they. to, because, because, because, to, to, because, to, because, to, because, th. th. Because, then, because, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, th. then, th. th. then, then, th. th. then, then, th. then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, because, then, then, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, then,'t been together very long and we kind of it was like a whirlwind thing, it was the first person I sort of loved and it was you know this exotic

woman that lived out of Alpington where I grew up. Where did she live? Where did she live? Great Zen. Oh wow. Exotic. It was like a long distance relationship? Yeah. We just had to get the 51 bus and a train. So you met a world world world world world world world world world world world world world world world world world world world world world world world world world world world world world world world world world world world world world world world world world world world world world world world world world world world world world world world world world world world world world world world world world world world world. the world. the world. the world. the world. the world. the world. the world. It the world. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the have to get the 51 bus and a train. Oh wow. So you met World Wind and you were together? Was it quite short, did you say? Yeah, we were only together a month. Oh really?

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honeymoon period and then suddenly you're having to make big decisions together. Presumably don't live together at this point. No. So. So. So you. So you. to. to make big decisions together. Presumably don't live together at this point. No. So you're moving to grains and difficult to suddenly change your relationship in that way. It just kind of, we just did it. It was a, we just went, right, fine, we're doing this now. Because I think they'd always been, you know,

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So then I get out of the car and I'm like, oh God, I've got to tell her. That numbs no. Don't you're being weird. So then, and so, yeah, and so, and it's amazing how, even though you're basically a kid yourself, you kind of adapt, that's what human beings are really good at. We do adapt to our surroundings. Yeah. So we ended up, we just, we just did it. And then, you know, we're all learning as we went along, but we're very lucky to have a lot of support around us. How was it, though, any disasters?

Any disasters with the baby when I, because you don't know what you're doing at 20, look olding a baby. Just sat there with a baby. I've got a baby. I've got a tray on the front, and they push themselves around. I remember he was, his name's Kianu as well. I'm so glad Kianna who turned out to be a legend and not a pervert. Oh God, yeah, imagine. Oh no, the name. the name. the name. the name. the name. the name. the name. the name. the name. the name. the name. the name. the name. Oh, the name. Oh, the name. Oh, the name. Oh, the name. Oh, the name. Oh, the name. Oh, the name. Oh, he's. Oh, he's. Oh, he's. Oh, he's. Oh, he's. Oh, he's. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh, the name. Oh, the name. Oh, the name. Oh, the name. Oh, the name. Oh, the name. Oh, the name. Oh, the name. Oh, the name. Oh, the name. Oh, the name. Oh, the name. Oh, the name. Oh, the name. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh, the name you could have picked. Oh, well the thing is because Lisa was very spiritual and she was into crystals and all that sort of thing.

And Kianna actually means something like rain over the mountain or something like that. So she was like, yeah, we should call him that and just, but yeah, so Kianna was agreeing this little wheelie thing. And I remember I was in the kitchen and she kept going to keep going around and I'm getting in in in in in in and I'm making a cup of tea where I'm doing and I just had this blah blah blah blah down the stairs. Oh my God. Did he stay up right? Yeah yeah you got wasted and banisters half way down. Oh my God.

The thing is though if you're like 20 in a townhouse and you got a rent in a townhouse whatever it was in, you kind of, it's about 15 stair gates you need in a townhouse. We had to keep moving it around depending on what room we were in. I was tell what you did. So if you're in the kitchen you put one, you had to put it across the kitchen door, during the lounge, put it across there. Amazing. And so like you, because then they would have been like, thirty-augh, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, the, thi, thi, thi, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, they, to, their, to, to, their, their, their, to be, to, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, to, their, their, to, to, to, to, to keep, to keep, to keep, to keep, to keep, to keep, to keep, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, to keep, to, to, to, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, they would have been 15, 16. And they're like your mate then. So did you ever feel like they were like your mate as well as your kid? Because you're so young still. Absolutely. Yeah, even now, even now it's like, yeah, because there's not that big a gap. So it's really cool, you know, and what's cool as well,

now they're older and they never will not be your kids. But you don't realize that they've got their own thoughts and opinions on things and they've sussed out the world around them for themselves and you know they need you but they don't need you, you know, they're grownups in their own right. And I remember what you can do now, you can know, like you get like an appraisal. Well, have they given you feedback? You kind of go, because I was worried that I, because you know, like Lisa and I stayed together for a couple of years. And then we spent most of the 90s getting back together and splitting up and and then, and then, you know, we got back together and split. And then, they, and we, and we, and we got, and we got, and we got, and we got, and we got, and we got, and we got, and we got, and we got, and we got, and we got, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, th. And, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, th....... And, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, th. And, and, and, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, the. And, th. And, the. And, the. And, the. And, the. And, the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. th. th. the. And, th. And, th. And, the. And, th. And, the.then, you know, again, I was still young. There was a lot of,

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and you're getting back together and stuff, was it difficult to, I know people that have split up recently and stuff, and it's really, it's difficult to put keep them insulated from that. Did you find that was a kind of Really at the forefront of your mind? We were really good actually Lisa and I This even if even at points where we just despised each other and yeah really We never used the kids against those never like you never seen your kids never you know You know, we made sure that the kids knew that they were loved and never really you know we And it got to the point like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like you like like you like like you like you like you never like you never like you never like you never like you never like you never like you never like you never like you never like you never like you never like you never like you never like you never like you never like you never like you the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the they. the the the the the the the they they they the they the the kids knew that they were loved and never really

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no matter what happens, Lisa and the boys are what's most important. Yeah, of course. I love you and this is great, but I need to take care of them. There was still a sense of... Very intense way to open a first date, Rich. Very intense. I like you, but just so you know, links from the kids are more important than you and always will be. It's in my tinder profile. Yeah, I'm sparkling or frizzy water. You will never match them, but, do you want to go? Also, that, so you had that with your like, new partners would be a bit too pally pally because they'd feel insecure as well you know it's it's easier for the new person if the if you despise your ex isn't it? Yeah yeah but then you know

I was very lucky as well that I'd met I'd met people that were very accepting as well and you know they got it kind of became a really nice sort of unit everyone you know everyone sort of got along it was very nice really nice. Did the boys ever kick off with new people you know when they were teenagers were they ever difficult? No but I did realize there's been a couple of relationships where they didn't like the person and I didn't realize until after. Oh really? And they was like I remember last a couple of years and I was with someone and I never saw him and I'm like, when you come come to the flat I live in a really nice place, you come down, you know, yeah, dad, yeah, maybe, maybe, and it's not too large, she's a dickhead. I'm not okay.

But they kept in quiet. Yeah, and I'm like, all right, I didn't realize, I'd rather just, you know, we didn't know what you were doing. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, the, they. they. th. th. th. the, th. th. th. th. th. thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, that, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. that, that, I was, I's, I's, I's, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I's, I's, I's, I's, I'd th. Yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, th. Yeah, I'm, I'm, th. Yeah, I'm, th. Yeah, I'm, I'm, th. Yeah, I'm, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, know what you were doing. Yeah. What's the like, there's this kind of big thing where it's like, when they're 18, I'm gonna take them for their first legal pint and all that kind of stuff. Did you do that? My, so you've been on the lash with your son. You know what, it's funny because my youngest Bailey, I said to the way, because I, because I, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the way my father and I stayed connected, you know, was through music. So we'd go and see bands together when I was growing up. Yeah. So he introduced me to all manner of amazing bands like the Damned and all these other cool things.

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Absolutely not. That was able to come. Yeah, I've got a really good relationship with my lads. And they, it was really funny, like I said, they kind of, they've worked it out for themselves. They know what's going on. They have a good idea about what's happening politically and all the changes and things like that. And I remember hearing my youngest, Bailey saying to his mate, he goes, well, you know, I think he's a little bit of looking after. Oh God. How does that feel? I was like, yeah he's probably right actually.

I'm a bit of an idiot. I don't smell it happening in about 30 years, Rich, not now. I know but already I'm like, I think because I am a bit of an idiot and I do end up insurations where I shouldn't. Didn't you move in with your boys? Was it Bailey you moved in with? So Keanu lived with me in Greenwich while he was studying to be a dancer. And then when India and I sadly broke up, I ended up, I moved in with him in bounds green. What was that like being the tenant of your son? Did you have to pay housekeep? It's a yeah. It's like the real, because people talk about moving back in with their parents, but not their parents moving back in with their their their to to their, to to to to to to to to their, to to to their, to to their, their, to their, to their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I. And, and I. And, their, and I.. And, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, th. And, the. And, the. And, thin, thin, tapeanananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananjury, tape, thanananananananan, the, and tap because people talk about moving back in with their parents but not their parents moving back in with their kid. I know it's a weird right it's funny

because I was like I didn't charge you rent for two years you cheek bar. How did you did you come to him and go I need to move in or did he go why don't you come and move in with me? They knew they were they knew they'd they'd been issues they'd been problems the issues their problems problems problems problems problems problems problems problems problems problems problems problems problems problems their problems their problems their problems problems their problems their problems their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their. their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their toe's toe's tooes. tooes' tooes' tooes. tooes' their their their their their their their their their their their you need anywhere to stay, then we've got a spare room, come and stay with us. And then one day, everything sort of came to her head. And so I went over to Bounds Green and just went, look, can I stay for a bit? And then I ended up living with them for, we stayed in Bounds Green for about six months. And they were wife, Mary.

And it's Mary sorts everything out. This isn't my, my lad's more like me. So it's more merry. But listen, you're a pair of idiots, but I'll take care of this. So she found this really good flat in Crouchend. We ended up living there for a year. It's brilliant. Oh wow. So how does it work if you're living with your son who's in a relationship you're single now you meet someone do they come back to the flat real wrong reversal yeah what and you're creeping in telling her to inquire what is your mom my dad living in now my son son So how does that work or did you not do that or did you just you didn't bring anyone back?

Um, I didn't bring anyone back. It wasn't like that. It wasn't like, it wasn't like, it wasn't like, it wasn't like to meet in a new mom. Yeah, you're my new step. I never did it. Because it was funny because like we, In your and I had broken up. Because I was giggling all the time I was I was, I was, I was, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, to to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to me, to to th. And, to to to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. And, to me, to to to to to to to to to to to thi. And, the time, I didn't really have time, I was always running around, gigging. You don't have to make excuses if you can't pull anymore, Rich, it's fine. Just really too busy for women actually. Yeah, I was really, I was way too busy for women from the age of 13 to 22. Just too busy like, thiii thii, like th, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, to... to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to? Who's been too busy for you for the last few years as well, actually? I've been quite busy

the last six years as it goes. Non-star busy, busy, busy, busy, no time, no chance for it. Don't know? I didn't really, I didn't really date anybody and then I met someone who was in comedy, so I ended up sort of staying around there a bit. Yeah, because it's a bit awkward, isn't it, to bring someone back to the, you know? Well, they got, I mean, like Keanu and Mary Sasego, this is brilliant, like, you know, we get after the rent paid and you'll never here. Yeah. I suppose as well, that the to the bounds green one that might have felt a bit like oh my god I'm moving in with my son and his partner but then in crowd change you sort of went in it together and it made it a bit more of a 50-50 thing you know I mean that's psychologically it must have been easier than just like can I come

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was really big. And he came in one day, well that's not staying there, is it that? There's a sideboard. There's a sideboard. There's a side, there's a side there's a side there's a side there's a side there's a side there's a side there's a side there's a side side side there's a side there's a side there's a side there's a side side side side side side side side side there's a side side side side side side side side side side side side side side side side side side side side there's a side there's a side side side side side side side, there's a side, there's a side, there's a side, there's a side, there's a side side side side side, there's a side side side, there's a side side, there's a side side side side, there's a side side side side side side side, there's a side side side, there's a side side side, there's a side, there's a side, there's a side, there's a side, there's a side side side, there your kids. Keanu, I've seen a sideboard. Have they got kids yet? You know, any kids? No grandkids yet? They're talking about it. Keanu and Mary are talking about it maybe. She's just started around business so it won't be yet. Yeah, and they both the lads living in Bristol now. Oh right. Yeah, but so do you go down much? I go out all the time all the time. I love them. So it's beautiful boys and I remember when they got a dog got a little dog called Bernard and they were calling it as oh it comes grandad and I absolutely not. Absolutely. Well yeah, because you know if they had kids when you had kids are you would have a grandad at 40? Yeah, well this is not annoyed my mom. She was 39. When I said. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I was th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I thi tod tod today today today today today today thi thi thi thi thi. She was 39 when I said, I'm gonna have a kid.

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A very imposing dude, he was massive and he ate like proper Hellsangel Dams and the mullet and the, he was huge, but such a gentle soul. And I remember when it was all, when it all started and it was all complaining, and the the to complaining, to to to to to getting was getting was getting was getting was getting was getting was getting was getting, to getting to getting to getting to getting to getting to getting to getting to getting to getting to getting to getting to getting to getting to getting to getting to getting to get to get to to be getting the mullet and the things huge but such a gentle soul and I remember when it was all when it all started and it was all kicking off and Lisa was getting pretty big and he took me to it just took me to one side and he goes he goes how are you doing I'm all right because because I realized no was no one is going to ask you this it's all going to be better the mom and the baby which is as it should be like You know, he's like, no one's gonna, no, it's not about you anymore. He said, so, are you all right?

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Back then, what was it like, was you expected to do anything with the kids or just go and earn the money? Was it a bit old school like that? No, you expected to do your bit. It was funny actually because, I'm sorry my mommy saying this. Lisa had had an operation on her on her breasts so she'd had them reduced so they weren't connected so she couldn't breastfeed right so then so you're not there isn't this like I've got to get up and feed the kids it's like right we're there's no excuse that you're getting up we're taking it and I'm like you have I got to get to work in the worst thing when you're doing the formula and he go, all right, it's my turn, it's like 3 o'clock in the morning and you go down to

the fridge and you've forgotten to do the bottles before. Oh my god, and the sterile light. Also I don't think the 92 didn't have the machines that we've got now, the Tommy Tippy. Do you know about the tomorrow. Do to to to to to to to to to to the to to the to to the to to the to the to to to the the to to the the to the to th th thi. tho the tho tho the tho tho thi thi, tho-doe, tho-do and then, the the the tho the tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho the tho tho the tho tho th tho th th tho th th th tho th th th th th thin, thin, thin, thin, tho' tho' tho' tho' throooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. and the th and do a bottle, you put the bottle in it and it tells you how many scoops to put in, two, three or four, and then it automatically puts the right amount of hot water in for you to shake it up and then it puts in the exact amount of water to make it a proper bottle just by pressing one button. No, where's it's going to do that? Yes. Unplugged? Unplugged, mate. It's a... Unplugged. You get the, you got the giant tub of formula and then you got the scoop and then he scraped it off the knife and you know, one, two. Oh man. Is that... I do sort of think what kind of formula was it in the 90s just like the bottom of an

abster cage just like chopped up. Because Ifeeding and stuff like that because it's supposedly the best thing you can do and you can connect with a baby in that but I do find that because we did we did a combination and did a lot of bottles as well was I I think the dad get as a much better opportunity to bond with the child and and also do more of it in the night because you can help if a baby's exclusively breastfed you feel a the alienated from it. You don't feel like you're doing your bit. You're not with the baby. You're just basically just almost like a PA running around going, oh, do you need to drink? You need a book a cup of tea. And you don't actually do any being a dad's stuff.

You just do support work for someone with a kid. Loads of toast. Yeah, to told the dad and really feel connected with the kid and I find you know when people moan about struggling to form that bond if you've been excluded from that because it's just breastfeeding which is great I think sometimes women that beat themselves up if they're not breastfeeding but I think it gives the dad or the partner such a great opportunity to help you know and do something and connect with the baby. Yeah, you know and do something. All those well those well well-s something something something something something something something something ss ss ss ss ss ss ss ss ss s s s s s s s ths this th th this this this th th th th tho th tho tho tho th th tho tho th th tho tho thi thi the the tho tho tho th tho th th th th th th the th th th th th the th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th their th their th th th the the the the the the the the to to to the to to to the to to to to the to the the the the the the the the the you see at nursery so they've got no connection with their baby. That's what you're telling yourself. All them fit sexy guys are getting slew. Back then Rich you would have been well with your right to sort of not have any of his do of them to be a put not in your right that's the wrong way

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Yeah. I never get that when people fly to places, like to buy or New York, and they they they just, and they just, and they just, and they just, and they just, and they just, and they just, and they just, and they just, and they just, and they just, and they just, and they just, and they just, and they just, and they just they just they just they just go, and they just go, and they just go, and they just go, and they just go, and they just go, and they just go, and they just, and they just, and they just, and they just, and they just, and they just, and they just, and they just, and they just, and they they they they they they they they they they they they they they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're just, and they're just they way here. What's, what are we doing? You've been, and if you didn't see it, you're going to be higher again on the way back? That's guaranteed. If I know anything about going to Dubai, I will be in a plane there and back. Do you know what I love is that everyone's, so we had the London eye, and then now in every major city in the world there's an eye. It really makes a laugh when he's like all right London pretty you know there's some things to see or you know where or wherever but I don't know going on the going on a night in like I don't know Bradford. Yeah hopefully if you squint you can see Leeds something to look at. No offense Bradford

love you guys yeah big up Bradford, love you guys, yeah. Big up Bradford. Looking forward to Bradford on tour, that's going to be a good one. Yeah, no disrespect to the Bradford. So let's go through some of the kind of things that me and Rob had parenting wise. Isafix, Isafix. Did you have Isafix? No, what's that? Oh my god. We just about a cow pooh. No, no. So Isofix is like, yeah, go that puts the car seats. You put that in and then you put the car seat on that. You don't use the, the struts. No, what? No, no. No, no ice-fix. When I was a kid, I remember my dad had to the dad that had a van and we used to tra tra tra tra tra tra tra tra tra tra tra tra tra tra tra tra tra tra tra tra tra tra tra tra tra tra tra tra tried to tried tried tried tried tried tried tried tried tried tried trive the trived their that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that tri. tri. tri. tried tri. tri. tri. tri. tri. tri tri. tri. Yeah tri. Yeah tri. Yeah triv triv. Yeah triv. Yeah triv. Yeah triv. Yeah triv. Yeah triv. Yeah triv. Yeah triv. Yeah that that that that that that that that trivthe back of the van. No. Yeah, yeah, he didn't even bolt them in. We used to hang on to the seats in front with my dad. Amazing.

Yeah. So there was no car seats. And I do remember, I do remember, yeah, when I learned to drive in 93. I remember the first time I'm trying to put it in the car seat in. It's one of those ones where you put it, you can put it in the front seat and then you put it facing the other way, which I don't just, you know, with the airbags now, imagine that flying out. What about, what about Pram? What was that like in the real? Pram is all right, we were lucky enough to my mom bought us a decent pram. It's one those ones that you could kick open with one leg. Oh very modern. Oh yeah, that must have made you the king of the war. You just got like chinging this up and you're the kids in it and you know. But yeah we never had technology like you've got now.

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That's how it seems to me. There was that, was it called crying, crying out. But that's really, you know, that's so, when you first take that, the baby home. I still remember, it's such a beautiful moment. I remember laying him in his crib, we had a little light on the side. And what my mate was a plaster, I had built a dividing wall and now with his big bedroom and he built a dividing wall, so he'd sort of called it off the side, and that was the little baby's room. And I remember being in there and just, and just, and was like gently snoring and just, you know, doing baby noises. It was one of the most beautiful things ever. And then when they start crying and you're like, oh my god, I don't know what to do and you're instinctively you pick it up.

And then you're like, so you change it, you feed it and then it, I don't know, it just, we had it in, we had Keana in the bed a lot. Yeah. Yeah. I just couldn't, I just couldn't do it. I didn't want to, you know, and there's other times when, I do remember when there was one night and it was like four o'clock in the morning and we'd fed him, changed him and he's still screaming and you just hanging on to the side of the cop going, I don't know what to do. And so when people go, don't get like, just let him cry it out. Like, it's such a blunt curdling scream. Yeah, yeah, there is, I remember that you have flashbacks those moments when they're little and you're so, I don't, I just don't know what to do and this is stopping and they're just, it's awful. Yeah, I have nothing to to the depth. I. I. I. I. I. I have nothing. I have nothing. I have nothing. I. I have nothing. I have nothing. I. I have nothing. I have nothing. I have nothing. I have nothing. I have nothing. I have nothing. I have nothing. I have nothing. I have nothing. I have nothing. I have nothing. I have nothing. I have nothing. I have like, it's a brand new job that no one's really trained for. It's like, if you put me like, in court for the Germany DeP Amber Her trial and like

to do a cross-examination, I don't know what, I don't know what I'm doing. Johnny seems all right, isn't he or not? Yeah, no, that's the thing, you know, now there's all manner of videos and then there's seminars and there's groups and there's... NCT was that around? Is that when you go to, is that when you do a group? To little groups, yeah. We went, yes, we did go to one.

Yeah, we did. Yeah, I remember, I remember going to, the other people are just idiots. It's just... No, shut up. They're just... No, what's that group, though, which I think is a blessing actually. Yeah. I wish I was going back to that time. So that's it, there was none of that. There wasn't the internet, Rich.

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like I have to have in my head gone is tomorrow gonna be okay that the idea you know like the impromptu pint I'm not an impromptu pint since like pre-Brexit like there's just like the idea of just being hung over is such a kind of military operation now for me. I just can't do it really. Oh God you can't, you can't be hungover, you got little kids. You can't, it's because when you, what people don't realize, when you have kids, your life is over and I don't mean that in a bad way. You don't mean that sentence your life is over in a bad way. I mean, it's not about you anymore. It's about the child. It's about the children.

Yeah, totally. And you are, that's it now. It's just 24-7 kids. And yeah, and of course, like stressful. And you get those point and we go, well, about me? I'm still a human. I've still a person. I've got wants and neat. But then that's that's that's that's that's that's that's why that's why that's why that's why that's why that's why that's why that's why I that's why I that's why I they. I they. I want they. I want that's why I want they. I want that's why I they. I'm that's why. I'm that's me. I'm still a human. I'm still a person. I've got wants and neat. But then that's why... I want another shower. Let me be. Stop judging me. You'll get, but this is why things like, you know, for a better example, going to the football or having a night off. Whatever you're doing, it's just, you know, you love your kids, you die for your kids, of course you will. But you, you know, even with your best mate, you'd want to be around them all the time.

Normally, we'd say, we'd end with them asking if there's something about the parenting of your partner that annoys you that you've never brought up. Now obviously in this situation, I'm going to give you the option, the option, the option, the option, to the option, to to to to to to to to be the option, to, the to be, the to, their, their, to, their, thi, thi, thi, thiol, thiol, to be able, thin, their, to bea, to bea, to bea, to bea, you, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you. And, you're, you. And, you. And, you. And, you. And, you. And, you. And, to bea, to bea, to bea, to bea, to bea, to be a, to bea. And, to bea, the to bea, their, to bea, to bea, tapotapyy. to beaugh, to bea, to bea, toe, toe. toe, toe, toe, toe, their, to give you the option of either talking about your your your the mother of your children your ex you get on very well with or anything about your flatmate your child that annoys you as them as a child that you've never brought up. I think the first you got pick your battle wisely here mate it's gonna be a tough. It's your ex wife or your son. Oh my god. Do you know what I think he needs he you he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he hee heat is heat is heat is heat is heat is heat is heat is heat is heat is he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he th. th. to the to to the that that's that's that that's that that's that's that that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's what we're going with. X-Y-Fx girlfriend or son. Oh my god. Do you know what? I think he needs to be a bit more, he needs to be a bit more tidy. I think he just sometimes I'm like, mate you've got to just tidy up a bit. That pube on the toilet has been a while. A while. You know what the tube another. That's a weird world isn't it? Your son's pubs.

Why about your own son's pubs? Do you know there was once I went into the when he did to be in Greenwich I didn't know he was in and I'd come in and I went to go in the bathroom. And he was in the he was in the bath and I didn't realize I got out and I was sorry. And I was sorry I was sorry I saw sorry I saw sorry I saw sorry. I saw sorry. I saw sorry. I saw sorry. I saw saw saw saw saw his sorry. I saw saw his sorry. He's sorry. He's sorry. He's sorry. He's sorry. He's sorry. He's sorry. He's sorry. He's so so sorry. He's so sorry. He's so sorry. He's so sorry. He's so sorry. He's so sorry. He's so sorry. He's so the so the so the so the so the so the so. He was so to to to to the so. He was so. He was so the so. He was so sorry. He was so sorry. He was sorry. He was sorry. He was sorry. He was sorry. He was sorry. He was sorry. He was sorry. He was sorry. He was sorry. He was sorry. He was sorry. He was sorry. He was sorry. He was sorry. He was sorry. He was sorry. He was sorry. He was so I was sorry. He was so was so sorry. He was so was so was so was so was so was so was sorry. He was so was so he was so was so he was so was so he was so he was so was sorry. He was so the so sorry. He was so the so sorry. He was sorry. He was sorry. He was sorry I saw his Willie. He's grown up Willie. Mate, wicked. Yeah, it was messed. Respect.

There's always a pride, I'm like, I make that. Yeah, but to see him in his, in his prime. Like seeing Diego Maradona at the Mexico World Cup. A pivotal moment for everybody. He knew where you were when you saw your son's cock. Like watching the Beatles perform on the roof of Apple, basically, wasn't it? Bigger than yours, Rich? Yeah, unfortunately, yes.

But the thing is bigger the next generation are always bigger like my lad's both. Yeah, right. Natural selection is that? That's what it is, you know, survival of this. Right, Rich, thank you so much. It's been brilliant. Thank you. I will tell you this though. I mean, there is talk of maybe babies in the future, so Oh, really? I'll come over part two, yeah. Wow. So you're not out. I thought you're out.

You're back in the game? Well, I've done me time. I've done me time. I've had a nice run. I've made up for lost time. The foe to settle down now. Settled down at 50. At 50, yeah. Another kid. Well, if you have another kid, definitely back on. Good luck.

And yeah, I'll give you a podcast, insane in the membrane. Give that a list of talking about, talking to mainly comedians about men's mental health. It's funny as well. Yeah, it's almost up to get you on. Yeah well up for that. Cheers Rich. Thanks boy. Bye. Richard Wilson there. Nah. That's not from one foot in the grove. Yeah. Yeah. That's what he said when his wife was pregnant. I don't believe it. Oh God. Where was that an hour ago? Oh god. He's a lovely boat rich. So funny. Yeah. Oh god. He's a lovely boat rich. so. that's a lovely boat. thrown. to. the. th. th. th. that. that. that. the that. that. that. the that. that. that. the the that. the that. the that. the that. that. the the the the that. the the the the the the the the the the the that. that. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. to. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. the. the. th. the. th. th. th. Yeah what a great story. Yeah he's just sort of a very quite a free spirit just sort of quite floaty around and doing different things but having a kid at 50 potentially what a part to could you imagine moving in with your daughter Rob I mean I look that I think the bounds green move was a real low point for him and I think

he'd agree to that but they once they went look okay if this is what tho the tho th th th th th th th is what thus thus thus thus thus thus thus thus thus thus thus thus thus the the the the the the the the the the the tho tho the the thi thi the. tho. tho. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi is what thi is what thi is what thi is what thi is what thi is what thi is what thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. to to to to thi. to thee. thee. thee. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. to doing, let's get a lovely big flat and crouch end and it'll be nice. Yeah. How would you have been at 20? What's quite an interesting thing for our listeners to do is trace back through some relationships you've been in for just a month and imagine what your life would be like if you two have now had a child. Oh my god, I just had one and I just actually felt physically sick. It was actually a cold shudder come over. You know like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like a the ki a the ki. I the ki. I the ki. I the ki. I the ki. I their them like horror films when you find out the killer's your husband or wife or you know like, they're in the house so basically you get a text message and go, he's the killer and you look up and you're making him a cup of tea and he stood by the

knife drawer. Oh my god. I would have been, I would have been, I would have been, I would have been a to be a to be a the done comedy, I would have ended up really pursuing some sort of office job or sales job and I would have got loads of money and provided and I would have been really unhappy. And I would have just muddled through and then died at 70 looking back and gun only if I rubbed up. But that's me, Rich has made a much better success of his life and enjoyed it. A lot happier. But yeah, what about you Josh? One month relationship? At 20? One month

relationship. Fuck it now. I'd have killed for a one month relationship at 20 months. I'd have killed for 30 minutes, 32nd one. But right, Josh, I'll speak to you on Tuesday. We've got lots to catch up on. Bye. See you then.