Parenting Hell with Rob Beckett and Josh Widdicombe - S05 EP18: Myleene Klass

Starting point is 00:00:00 Hello, I'm Rob Beckett. And I'm Josh Widdickham. Welcome to Parenting Hell, the show in which Josh and I discuss what it's really like to be a parent, which I would say can be a little tricky. So, to make ourselves and hopefully you feel better about the trials and tribulations of modern-day parenting, each week we'll be chatting to a famous parent about how they're coping. Or hopefully how they're not coping. And we'll also be hearing from you the listener with your tips, advice, and of course,

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Starting point is 00:01:24 Rob Beckett. And Josh Whitticum. Was Wiggottin. Well done. See, he started posh and then trailed off of the posh. That first line was well posh, wasn't it? Yeah, it was. This is our daughter Sophie, who was born during the first lockdown, May 2020 and we've been avid listeners since. Our baby, Theodore is now five, great name, is now five weeks old and she is slowly coming to terms with him. Love the show, keep up the good work. Ed and Heather in.

Starting point is 00:01:53 Shropshire. Not far! Get in! Get in! And what? And what? the adjacent county, yeah? Well done, Rob. Welcome to the episode. How are you? You good? Yeah. I've got to say. Go on. Bank holiday weekends are long, aren't they?

Starting point is 00:02:12 It's a bit like the lockdown, isn't it? People without kids looking forward, you know, enjoying the freedom. If you are a freelancer with kids, a bank holiday has fucking nothing for you. I hate that. Exactly, basically you don't get a day off, you just don't earn any money and then you've got to go and do something and then everyone's off where normally you can get stuff done on a Monday. But yeah, if you're self-employed, the worst, I hate them. And then all my mates are like, oh, what's anyone up to be just the same really, but no money in it and it's busy everywhere. Oh, and do you know what I've done actually? Is I didn't realize it was a bank holiday,

Starting point is 00:02:48 so I scheduled something really annoying on the Monday as well. What this? No, no, I'll be honest with you, Rob, this was like a fucking oasis. As I was going through the afternoon and looking after two children. Especially when you walk straight off the six weeks holiday, if, the, to, to, to, the, to, the, to, the, the, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, their, their, their, thi, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their thi. thi. their thi. their thin, their thin, their their their their their their their their their their their their their, their their of the six weeks holiday. If this popped up in February it would be nice wouldn't it? Oh what about May when you get two bank holidays in one month? It's absolutely what is that? What is that? But I don't even know what for? It's just because it's May day weekend. Yeah oh God. And you've just had Easter which is four days. Anyway, sorry. Good to be back on track, normal, back to normal life. I should add, obviously my issues

Starting point is 00:03:30 with bank holidays. I have no issue with the reason the bank holiday was called. Just add that. Yeah. Anyone from the Daily Mail is listening? Now? Do you want some school drop-off times, Josh? We asked about who's school finishedthe earliest. She also finishes a bit late at the mine four of the rob. You know what? The 934 thing is an absolute winner. Yeah? That's such a good. Rob. I know we're not going to talk about positives in our life. Because it ruins the show. I've actually got too much time in the morning. Well, yeah, that's what I was going to say. I think, you think, you th. Get getting. Get getting. Get getting. Get. Get. Get. Get. Get. Get. Get. Get. Get. Get. Get. Get. Get. Get. Get. Get. Get. Get. Get. Get. Get. Get. You're the the the the the the the the th. I'm going. I'm going. I'm going. I'm going. I'm going. I'm going. I'm going. I'm going. I'm going. I'm going. I'm going. I'm going. I'm going. I'm going. I'm going. I'm going. I'm going. I'm. I'm. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. I'm much time in the morning. Well, that's what I was going to say. I think, you know, getting ready, you don't need, you want to mup and out really, but then you want to be out longer, but you've got loads of time in the morning to get them ready. And 4 p.m. Yeah, 4 p.m. is a tell. tell to say, you're talking about Josh's daughter's school shutting at 2pm on a Friday. Is that still happening?

Starting point is 00:04:25 No, it's not my daughter's school, it's a friend's child school. Okay. We're in Scotland and my sons, also a Josh, finish your school at 1220 p. they're only there for three hours. What is the point? Starts at 8.45? Pointe-Woin' thi. to unpack my food shop, Nicholas not happy. Oh my God, that is stupid. Every day.

Starting point is 00:04:46 They go back earlier as well, don't they, Scottish schools? Do they? It gets so dark early up there and so light early in the summer. 1220? That's before lunch. I know, it's ridiculous, isn't it? At least stay for lunch. You've got to feed him before you send them off, surely. the podcast okay that's a bit loaded what you suggested okay somehow we hold you're holding my attention but yeah I really didn't you would last this long right still love the chat tonight about school pickup times I love when people say the chat tonight and they are just

Starting point is 00:05:16 assume everyone's listened to it at the same time it's going out live hi guys let's all have a listening party six p.m. Love the chat tonight about school pickup times this this this th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th I th I th I th I th. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I's. I'm tho-I's. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm tho-I's tho-I's tho-I's th. I's the the the the the the the th. I I's th. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's th. I's th. I'm th. th. I'm the. tho'' tho' tho'ee. tho'e. tho'e. tho'e. tho'e. tho'e. tho'e. I'm th Love the chat tonight about school pickup times. This is from Vicki Allen. I feel like I'm really going in on her with this. Yeah, but I should say it sums up our, both our output and our audience that someone's emailed in with the phrase loving the chat about school pickup times. We start school here at 7 a.m. to 3 p.m.m.m.m.m.m.m.m.m.m.m.m.m.m.m.m.m.m.m.m.m.m.m.m.m.m.m.m.m.m.m.m.m.m.m.m.m.m. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I'm th. I th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm. I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I. I. I. I I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I.m. I. I.m. I.m.m. I. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. I'm. I'm teacher. I work 7 a.m. till 3 p.m. every day. Oh no I don't don't do that. Do you want to guess what are they from?

Starting point is 00:05:51 Like Spain? Something like that? No, Qatar. Qatar. Oh well there we go. So Qatar, this is Qatar, Josh and she said after 12 years you get used to it. I mean it's a long time to wait. Or does she mean I've been in 12 years and you get used to it quick or it takes 12 years to get used to it? Yeah I don't I mean either way it's not it's not. I'm ripping apart the context of this email. So what is she 7 a.m. to 145? Is that because of the heat? Is that because the heat. the heat. the heat. the heat. the heat. the heat. the heat. the heat. the heat. the heat. the heat. the heat. the heat. the heat. the heat. of. of. of. of. of. of. of. of. of. of. of. of. of. of. of. I. to. to. to. to. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. that would destroy me. Every day. Every day. I think you just get used to it there, don't you? It's just a shift. You know like the rock and Mark Wahlberg always get up like 4 a.m. to do exercise.

Starting point is 00:06:34 I just think they're jet lagged from being in Europe and they've just stayed jet-lagged. Because when you get to America from the UK, you're just up to get up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up. to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get their. to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to to America from the UK, you're just up from four or five every day until you sort of have a really late night. But if you don't have a late night, that's just your new life. So Mark Wahlberg went to, you know, Ocean Beach for the weekend to watch, you know, to enjoy himself. He's just never reset. Yeah, that's what I think. It's not commitment. What time does Walburg go to bed? Do we know? I think it's like 9 p.m. What a weird thing to do to your life.

Starting point is 00:07:06 And they don't drink or anything, do they? I know not the hands bollard. I think it's all bollard, so I don't think it's true, I think. I've got an itchy, Rob, and hear me? Only one of my headphones works. Josh, you're you chitting me? Have you got it out again to it? No, I'm listening to you. So, I know we were talking about the wires all being tangled up,

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Starting point is 00:07:59 No, but you need to have to hear at least,. Well, for this very reason, in case you get a fucking itchy ear, like a dog. It's only come up three years in that it's my first inch a year. How itchy do you get your ears? Do you know what I think I might have something wrong with my ear dandruff? Of course you do? It's, I've, I've, it's sound, every week, every week, no you can get like, yeah. A skin infect, like a fungal infection in your ear. Oh my god. Like a skin infection. Because I had a really bad ear and then I, and it got worse and worse it was a fungull. And then I, and it got worse and it got worse and then I got to the worse and, it was really itchy. But then you create a thu. thin, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, it, it, it, a, a, a, a, a. th. th. th. the the, a, a, a, a. th. th. th. th. the. th. the the. thi. the the the the the thi with mine is he had to pump it full of, he cleaned it out and it was really red and saw.

Starting point is 00:08:46 Then he pumped it full of cream. Yeah. And then I had to have my ear full of cream for a day. What? Could you hear anything? I did, no, nothing out of that ear. So I did out of 10 cats with one ear. And then the next day he goes in and it cleansed it all, the air, the air, the, the, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, I, to, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I had, I had, I had to have, I had, I had to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I had, I, I had to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to as a lot antibiotics in it needs to be. People see it. You've got creamy here? No, so he cleaned it around the edge but if you had a proper look in there you'd see white at the end but it wasn't like

Starting point is 00:09:11 here comes creamy here. Yeah yeah it wasn't like you had a like a 99 sticking out of your ear. What theying's off. They're like, yeah, Italian cream in a, ah, ah, oh my God. How does that person still enjoy this pop-up? I just typed in Italian cream here. It's called a... It's called a cano-ca-yreta. Cano-a-ca-a, cano'e? That's from my only Italian, that's from Joey Triviani. Oh my god, that is simply not good enough broadcasting wise. Now why is it, gee? I think it's osmosis. I think that's what osmosis means. Oh yeah, I'll do. Neither of us knows. I've got a thing about weirdest place people have listened.

Starting point is 00:09:59 And then we'll do mile in class. Hiya, listening to this week's podcast and the weirdest place I've listened to the podcast bit. We welcomed our baby boy ten weeks ago and I listened to your podcast whilst in labour. No! Specifically whilst wasting for my epidural. No way. Big time. Incredible. I was in so much pain and got a bit worked up about the needle that I shouted at my partner

Starting point is 00:10:20 to put the latest episode on as it always makes me laugh, it reminds me of the time so when I wasn't in absolute agony. Needless to say, the doctor asked me to turn it off. Oh here we go. You kill joy. Who was it? Dr. Chatterjee, worried about the charts? That was quick, wouldn't it? That was really good. Because one, as a white man, I'm panicking about an Asian man's name. Yeah, two I was the the the the th was was was I was the the the the the the the th. I was the an Asian man's name, to I've got to find a doctor in the charts and I just don't think there was another another person I could have done. I had a panic tried to say, the doctor asked me to turn it off as they found it too distracting,

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Starting point is 00:11:48 Well, I feel like I'm going to go, can you just, um... You can listen to this pocket. You just pop on the, um, f-fix one so I can slowly slip away to silence. Fucking B-Biore it on B-Biden. But here's Mylene Class. Hello, Mylene Class. How are you? I like that intro, that was great, thank you. Been up all night writing it. It's not too, it's not too gushing, is it? Do you know what? I like six things.

Starting point is 00:12:20 I think it's weird when you do a show and they likethey like you're sat there while they intro you and they're reading out all the your credits and stuff it's just an awkward start do you know what you're absolutely right it's so thank you author musician member of hearsay which we won't go into you can go wherever you like I have nothing to hide well should we start with how many kids you got that's the classic what's your kids set up Marlene okay okay so the the the th I I I I I I I I I th th th th th th th th th I th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the got, that's the classic. What's your kids set up, Marlene? Okay, so I've got a 15 year old. 15. I've got an 11 year old. Okay. Boys or girls? Are they both girls? Both girls. Yep. So Avers 15 here is 11 and then I've got my baby boy who's three, his name's Apollo but we call him Snoopy. He's just turned three. How come the Apollo to Snoop? Yeah? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. th. th. th. th. the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. to to to to to th. th. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to th. 15. 15. 15. 15. 15. 15. 15. 15. 15. th. th. 15. th. 15. the the the the. 15. 15. 15. 15. the the the the the the. 15. 15. 15. 15. 15. 15. 15. 15. 15. to to to to to to thed three. Amazing. How comes the Apollo to Snoopy? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:13:06 Well, when I was pregnant, I put a piece of paper up on the door because I wanted all the kids just, you know, to really feel involved. Because my partner, he has two children too, so we were a blended family of seven all in. I know, honestly. I know, honestly. But I thought, let's let all the children feel really involved in this and write down any name that you want to call the baby. I don't know who the culprit was, but somebody wanted to call him Snoop Dog. And I was like, don't be so ridiculous.

Starting point is 00:13:33 We're not going to have a baby called Snoop Dog. And would you believe it? It's what's stuck. So he's been given like that name and nobody uses it Snoopy. Amazing. I'm just calling him Snoopy. His teachers his little nursery teachers. He calls himself Snoopy. That's incredible. So do you think that will stick when he goes to school? I'm guessing so it's the only answers to and that's how he introduces himself. It's little Snoopy. So how, because you've got, so all the kids in your house,

Starting point is 00:14:08 so they split between other houses with different parents. So the three are permanent residents to come and go, and then there's myself and my partner, and I'd like to say we're permanent residents too. How old are the other two kids? Also 15 and 11. So how spoil is Sop getting having all these sort of older kids and parents around? Because he's got it about to be the little

Starting point is 00:14:30 golden boy. If he ever learns to tie his shoelaces by 21 it will be a miracle. He read to a phase of not even speaking. It was kind of just hmm. Yeah. We just, well look he's a rainbow baby so we are we're all obsessed with him. What's a rainbow baby? The rainbow baby is the baby that you get at the end of the rainbow after you've had miscarriages and I had four miscarriages. So to get this baby he was you know obviously all babies are very, very precious, but I was just willed over the finishing line.

Starting point is 00:15:09 We were so worried to the loss. The minute I held him in my arms, I didn't even believe I was having him. I didn't dare to believe I was having him. Did you, was it, I mean, we've gone quite heavy, quite early, was it difficult to keep go with the set points when you thi th, you th and th and th and th and thin, thin, thin, thin, to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to get, to get, to get, to be to be to be to be to be to be to be so, to be so, to be so, to be so, to be so, to be so, to be so, to be so, to be so, to be so, to be so, to be so, to be so, to be, to be, to be, to be, th........ So, the the the the the the the the thin, the the the thin, the thin, the the the the're not going to do this? All the time because I spent I spent four you know to have four miscarriages when you've had two you know seemingly very straightforward pregnancies it just it rattles you I think anybody who's ever been through anything you know remotely like that you know one is awful for it's just looking into giving up I mean I mean I can only imagine I can only imagine. anything even you know remotely like that. You know one is awful, four is just

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Starting point is 00:18:07 It's like it is like kettling rather than raising. And how do you jump between a like a three-year-old and then teenage girls? Oh my goodness, if you figure it out, I'm all is. It is, it's really, it's a real challenge because I think people have this idea of you have teenagers and they're going to be this one way and you have toddlers and they're going to be this other way. Like actually you're just dealing with independent people. You don't know what these little people are going to want or what they're going to be like. And I just think the most important thing really is with so many little people with all these big feelings is that you just remind them that your team children that's it whatever they need whatever support they want

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Starting point is 00:19:27 to make clothes for the drag queens. He's on her own trajectory and then obviously there's the Emperor, the Golden Child who do whatever. I've got a four and a one year old. I've got a four and a one year old and when we're going through these stages of the one year old. I can't even remember really what it was like with a four year old. So. So, so, to, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, th, I, I, I, I, I, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I tho, I th, I'm, I'm no th, I'm th, I's th, I'm th, I'm th, I'm th, I'm th, I'm, I'm, I'm, I th, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th no th no tho, I'm no, I'm no, the theeeeeeat, tho, tho-a, thooo, thooo, thoooo, theeee, tho, I'm tho, I'm the one-year-old, I can't even remember really what it was like with a four-year-old. So I've done it 12 years apart. Do you feel like you've still got the kind of things you learn the first time around, or does it feel like you're just starting afresh again with the new baby? I think what you do learn is that your children, they just, they've they have such different needs. I'm their their their their their their their their th. thi thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, do their their thi, do the kind thi, do the kind thi, do the kind the kind the kind the kind, do the kind, do the kind kind kind kind, do the kind kind, do the kind kind kind kind, do the kind kind, do the kind kind, do the kind, do the kind, do the kind, do the kind, do the kind, do the kind, do thi, do thi, do thi, do thi, do thi, do thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, toguu. Do togu. Do the the the the the the the the the the the the the the t just they have such different needs. I'm learning that boys are really kamikaze. I can't take how many times I've been to A&E with him more times you know at the age of three than I have with Ava the whole time because she just cannot sit still. We literally just tripped over on nothing the other day when we're back in A&E on Ava's birthday, you know, it was just one of those things

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Starting point is 00:22:30 I cope with that considering like you know, you get people get overwhelmed now and they've got their partner with them. But do it, I can't imagine how hard it was. There are definitely easier parts when you are single because you just know it's just you so just down to you. And there are there are there are there are there are there are there are there are there are the the their their their their their their their their are their their are their their their their their their their their their their their their their. There's their their their, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, to you and that's also the pressure because it is all just down to you and then there's also times when actually it can be yeah that's very very hard because it is just you but it can be very lonely at the same time because it's not just sharing the workload you also you want to share the love you want to to go you know they did this today they they th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th tho tho tho tho thi thi thi thi tho tho tho they they they they they they thi thi they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they put they they they they this incredible thing it's just wanting to share your lives together but there are things that now I'm you know not always used to have being my partner who you know maybe you'll just say well could you go pick this up or did you do the laundry and if it's forgot to you're like I didn't do it myself yeah yeah it's very easy that you're just you know I just you know pottering the th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th thi thi thi they they the they're thi thi thi they're they're they're they're just they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they they they they they're they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're huge switch to share that workload having done it so long. I'm used to doing it for so long, whether it's just, you know, pottery around the house,

Starting point is 00:23:28 fixing things around the house, all the way through to farrying the kids and just being manic, you get so used to it. And how was it with like, obviously some of it was quite public, about your husband or ex-partner and like, thrown, like, th.... their, their, their, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thinks, thrown, thinks, thi, tho, like, like, like, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, thi, thi, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th... So, th.. So, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, so, so, thi, so, thr. thr. to, to, to, to, to, so, to, to, so, and, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, thoooo. that sort of out of your control when it's in the paper and stuff? Do you sort of just ignore that or do you have a discussion with them? Well, how do you deal with that? Because it's sort of out of your control. I had been extremely open with my children because I found that even if, let's say I didn't want to share a story or if I didn't think it was appropriate, you would be amazed at what he shared at the school gates. And I would, I, you know, I had one mom who went up to my children and was just talking like it was just daily gossip and I was like, my God, these are their lives.

Starting point is 00:24:14 I couldn't believe it. So what I've done now is I've just made it really clear that I've shown my children that there are you know stories let's call them that are written about me and about us and I just show them the differences and it's you know you can't underestimate them children I think so many people think that's not appropriate or yeah upset by these or they can't understand that they're too young but actually don't underestimate your children I've got stories where you can start as simply as showing the girls when the names have been swapped around or the ages have been swapped around, which when you're a child, if someone gets your age wrong, that's the name wrong, it's like, you're a fool,

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Starting point is 00:25:31 you do and put him in a bowl and try to figure out what a crab from the Yap islands would want. We tried brown flakes. We tried to put it from the girls that he didn't make it and I was talking about this crab story as you do at a press conference but the show I've been working on and they said you know there's anything that you're going to miss about the Yap Islands and I'll actually I took a little piece of it home I had a stow away anyway I'll leave it to Google have to the to to the to to the to to the to the to to the to the the to the the to the the to to the the the th I th I th I th I to to to to to to to to to to the to to the the the to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the to to to to the the the the to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the. I I I try. I try. I'm try. I'm just just just just. I'm just. I'm just. I'm just. I'm just. I'm just. I'm just. I'm just. I'm just. I'm just. I'm just I'm just just I'm just I'm it to you to Google, have a look for yourself. It's a really unfortunate things have to look up, but it's mine in class, putting crab. Kidding crab.

Starting point is 00:26:08 Look at the size of the crab that comes up. Oh wow. Reasing giant rat eating crap. That's not what you had, is it? That's not what you had, is it? No, no, it gets worse. They asked, what did I do with this crab? So I said, well, I released it onto the heast.

Starting point is 00:26:30 But then it was meant to just be a joke. Most of the journalist prison got it. Yeah, amazing. But it then translated that I'd released a three-foot crocts. the heat. I had animal rights fruits saying I do with the ecosystem. I had I had broadsheets getting in touch with management saying you know what she going to do about this and ever since the the terrapins from teenage mutant Ninja Turtles have we had such an pandemic. It was it just went out of control. Wow. I had a journalist who was pictured with Annette walking around the heath trying to find this giant crab because apparently a resident said that it he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he is he he is he is he is he he is he he he he he he he he got heat is he got to to the to to to to to get to get to get to get to get the to get the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their their their th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I te. I try. I try. I had try. I had try. I had try. I try. I try. I today try. I today try. I today today to today ette walking around the Heath trying to find this giant crab because apparently a resident said that it tried to eat his dog. So my girl, they saw all these

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Starting point is 00:28:35 How quickly could you laugh at Crabgate? Dude, if I would open my suitcase and found that three foot crab, which they got five foot actually, I would be carrying it down to the heap I would be I would be ringing the police let's be honest with you it would have shown up when they put it through the baggage car so they the yeah it's mental is no like that it's the biggest crab of it I didn't know they did them that big I think if you can show them and they can see the they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they the the tttttttttttttook took took tttook took to tttttry to the the the thttttry their their their their their they can see the act, they lived it in real time so they saw all of this happening. So we just always refer back to that, the sliding scale of how bad are things. Yeah, you can just, they just know it's nonsense. Because it's amazing how young they get when like even my six-year-old's been like, oh,

Starting point is 00:29:14 you're famous, you're on the tele and stuff like that, as soon as they get they get they get they get they get they get they get they get they get they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're the newspapers and googling you. Because that's that they were, you know, that it's in their nature to, isn't it? But they know now that the crab, on the crab scale, so it's crab the most ludicrous. Is that the top level? But nothing so funny that the girls can really genuinely get their, I was gonna say the topics that is in the book. They don't teach you this at school which is your book you're saying. So this book is and so this has got a hundred lessons for children but it's like really practical stuff, over a

Starting point is 00:29:54 hundred lessons, from really practical stuff to just like kind of personal stuff like dealing with different kind of emotional things and stuff so so it kind of covers the full gamut of life experience. But how many times have you sat with somebody, I don't know, you can get the pub or just the kitchen table and just said, why don't they teach us this at school? And I'm going through this before and more because I've got a daughter who is doing Pythagrocy and does want to know the breakdown of every single cell and I don't know how much you talk about half the time I'm really trying but then actually what about the practical lessons that you know CPR how to change a tire? If you look at my instant my daughter we got a flat in Ibita and my daughter at 14 changed my tire for me.

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Starting point is 00:31:05 And you look, this is not doing the schools down. You know, a lot of teachers have actually bought the book and I think it's what bottom line is. And they do enough of course as well. It's more a case of just all those things you wanted to learn at school, school, school, and their to consolidate, and consolidated, and consolidated, and consolidated, and consolidated, and consolidated, and consolidated, and consolidated, and consolidated, and consolidated their, and consolidated their, and consolidated their, and consolidated their, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, their, and, and, and, and, and, their, and, their, their, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, their, and, and, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, the to run a household, household budget, set up a bank account or you know their mortgage. Well, they never tax, I never got taught about tax, my school, I grew up in South East London, everyone was either a criminal or they run their own plumbing firm. That was it. And at no point did anyone talk about PAYAYE or what you have to do to do to do their, to do their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, thua, thua, thua, thua, thin, thin, thia, thia, thi, thi, their, you, you, you, their, their, their, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you. their, you, you, you. their, you, you, you. You. You. You. You. their, you, you, you, you, their, their, tap, tapy. tape, tape, tape, tape, tape, tape, tape, tape, tha. tape, thau. their, their, their, their, to do, nothing. That is ridiculous. We was all doing part of Faggleras. All we needed to know was self-assessment tax returns. That was it. Do you know how many adults you can still struggle now? You say it's the

Starting point is 00:31:50 children. I've had loads of silver splitters. Loads of silver spliters. There was one girl. What's a silver splitter? Is that older people getting divorced? Yeah. What age do you have to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be the their their their their s s sessessessessessessessess. tha? tha? tha sa? taxxxxxx? taxxxxxxxx? taxxxx? taxxxx? taxxxxx? taxxx? taxxx? taxaxaxaxaxaxaxe? taxe. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. the the. the. the. the. the. the. thea. thea. taxee. taxeeea. taxeeea. taxeeeeea. taxeeeeee. taxe. taxe. t loads of little terms. I like this. Yeah. Silver splitters. What age do you have to be to be a silver splitter? About 50? I don't know. Just have just you know, just the hair. Just the hair. Yeah. What it is the kids have grown up. They've gone either to use me or they're okay. Right. I see. Yeah. Yeah. Float in the nesters. their. th. th. their. th. their. their. th. their. to. their. to. their. to. to. their. to. to. their. to. to. to. to. to. to to to to their. to to to to their. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their their their their their their the the the the the the the the the the the the the their have got their independence now and actually then they realize I don't know where the huge box is or you know one girl from saying to me she broke up with her boyfriend and she said the humiliation of him watching her from the window she was trying to start the lawnmower and I was like oh come on babe. He just said all she wanted was just to look like she to look to look to look to look like to look like to look like to look to look like to look th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th. tho tho tho tho tho tho tho their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their thuu. thu. thu. thooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooes. their their their their was just to look like she wasn't going to be helpless and that just broke my heart there and then. So it's just, it's for uni-leavours.

Starting point is 00:32:47 It's for people who just want to know those life skills. We've saved for all lives already. There was one guy got in toubc and his wife was choking on chicken at the table and he saved life. Oh, really? Really, He teach the hymlic. Yeah, it's all in there. I mean, you know, you can do the basic sort of, patts on the back, if you like, the firm slap on the back, but it's, I think there's so many people out there that just don't know what to do.

Starting point is 00:33:13 What would you do if someone was choking? What would you do if known what to do and whilst they haven't had the strength to actually carry it out, they've been able to adults how to do it, which is remarkable. We also saved a little baby, a six-month-old baby. The mom actually posted on her instowar after she saved her child a while a while later. Yeah. Quickly gonna send his DM, you'll be all right. Instagram live felt, it felt a bit inappropriate to Instagram. I just just, I to to to to to to to to to to to th adults, th adults, th adults, th adults, th adults, th adults, th adults, th adults, th adults, th adults, th adults, th adults, th adults, to th adults, to tho adults, to tho adults, adults, adults, adults, thanks, tho-a, adults, adults, adults, adults, adults their adults their adults their adults their adults their adults their adults their adults their adults their adults their adults their adults, adults, adults, their adults, their adults, their adults, their their thol kids thol kids thol kids thol kids that, that, that, that, thi that, thi thi, thi, thi, thi, thanks, thanks, thanks, thanks, thanks, thanks, thanks, thanks, thanks, thanks, thanks, thanks, thanks, their th inappropriate to Instagram live. Just want to say big thanks to Mylene class this little fellow's just... Obviously you've put this all together Miling though but have your kids come up to you of this book and go and point out some of your advice and go, remember

Starting point is 00:34:00 when you did this to us but that didn't really work out you know from my kids remember everything I ever did wrong? When I was I th th th th to th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi that that just that just that just that that thi that just that just the. thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. just thi. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm thi thi. I'm thi thi thi thi thi thi thi the. theeeeeeeeei's thea. I'm just just just theei's thea. thi's thea. thi. thi. that didn't really work out you know from the past because I don't about you but my kids remember everything I ever did wrong. When I was in Ibiza not in the flat that I did find out the blackout and I came down stairs to find out what was going on and then the lights came on and I said to say my partner did you fix it you went no Ava did she just went to the fuse box and I'm like my the the th my th no th no th no th no th no th no th no th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. No thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No way. No way. No way. No way. It's. It's. It's th. It's th. It's. It's. It's. It's. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. No, no, no, my God, it's working. It's actually working. I just, that's when you think, God, it does go in. They think everything you do is wrong. Trust me, my children, they don't get my job at all. They don't, you know, get the, I'm,

Starting point is 00:34:37 I'm, like, one of them's famous. They just don't see it like that at all. They don't understand understand understand understand understand understand understand. I don't understand. I don't understand. I don't. I don't. I to understand. I to understand. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. I. I. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. It. It. It. It. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's, th. It's, th. It's, th. It's, th. It's, th. It's, th. It's, th. It's, th. It's, th. It's, th. It's, I'm, anyone would, I don't know, listen to anything. Have you had to lay down the law with the teenagers yet, Mileen, or have they're quite well behaved, especially the 15-year-old? Because I'm petrified of teenage daughters. No, don't be. Do you know what? I'm really enjoying seeing where she's up for. Do you know what? She left a party, I put it in the book. She left a party, I put it in the book,

Starting point is 00:35:07 she left a party because she didn't like the language, you know, she thought it was, you know, she thought it was, you know, both racist and homeoph you come and pick me up and we went and she told us what was going on we went and picked her up and I thought my god that's a really brave I wouldn't have done that they no I'd probably just been quiet yeah or just got found somebody else and she was like I don't want to be here it's not right and I just thought our kids actually they're growing up in a ti their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their to to to to to to to they their their their to they's to to to they's to to their to their to to to to to to to to their their to to to to their their their their their their their their their their they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're their their their their their their their their their te. their their their their their te. their their they their they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're to they're more information, they are way more savvy than us. And that's what I'm really enjoying, just the conversations, seeing what she's, I like it, I can't say to her, but I love it when she gets a bit feisty,

Starting point is 00:35:52 because I'm like, yeah, you're gonna need that. You're gonna, I don't want you to be a people pleaser. I want you to question authority. I don't want just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just blindly just just blindly just just blindly just blindly just blindly just blindly just blindly just blindly just blindly just blindly just blindly just blindly just blindly just blindly just blindly to blindly just blindly just blindly to blindly to blindly go. You've got to question things, but you don't question them on. So what have you clashed over? What has you been ficely about? Bedtime? Bedtime. My household, if I want to start Armageddon, bedtimes. It's just one of those things that you can never beat because everyone's got a friend who's allowed to go to bed at midnight. That is the one girl th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th to th th to to th to to th th th th to thi to to to to to to to to to to to to be to be to be to be to be to be to be's allowed to go to bed at midnight. That is, we get that all the time. This one girl went to bed at midnight once and that is said to me every single bedtime

Starting point is 00:36:29 when I'm trying to get them to sleep. So what are your bed times in your house? Well, here's a thing. I mean, it gets looos. It gets loosed. I mean the baby, I mean I tried to get him into bed for say 7, 7. The 3 year old baby, he's going to be your baby forever and eat the baby. He's 3 in at school, little tie on the baby, briefcase. Off he goes the baby, where's the baby? He's just on the bus, yeah he's all right. That's exactly how it's going to be. But yeah, that sort of that at 7, 730 lights out so we read all our books, we read an oyfrog.

Starting point is 00:37:07 What a champion book that is at the minute. I've not read o'frog. Never had o'frog sat on a log. That I thought I'd have to be down as a big o'frog fan. I thought I'd thought I'd basically bought and basically basically basically basically basically basically basically basically basically basically basically basically basically basically basically basically basically basically basically bought and basically basically bought and guilt when I'm on tour so I'm surprised there's any. So at 730 lights out what about the teenage isn't it? 11 year old in the 15 year old. I aim for 830. She's she's climbing up the walls with that she wants 930 because all her friends and you know what it's a question they go to bed it's actually when they're getting up six 30 because I've got three school runs you see so that's it's tricky. And the teenager she has so much homework. It is insane.

Starting point is 00:37:47 I start off by going up to her room saying, right, bed lights out, and then I start sitting down with her looking at the homework and then getting stuck on it with her and before you know it. It's like it's really really really really really really really really really really. you just make your kids miserable because they just fight against it but. And if they're doing homework up there it's hard to say go asleep when they're going to be laying there worrying that they've not finished it. Exactly! Do it quicker and better. Come on. And then you start thinking, what excuse can I get to the teacher for her?

Starting point is 00:38:16 So then what's three school runs?thirty I put all the bowls out on the table so everyone's got their breakfast ready to go. Everyone does. As their piano like 10-15 minutes piano and take it like to go. Oh fuck that no offense but I can't bother the thoe of having to do piano first thing the morning oh oh driving mental that is it. I can't do it the end of the day. The end of the day, everyone's tired. Really? So you do it in the morning, piano. Do they all like the piano? Uh, they love the piano. They love the piano.

Starting point is 00:38:49 Here plays the trumpet. Does Snoop play the piano? Snoophe wants's seeing the benefits of that. So she's teaching piano. Yeah. Wow. 15? No, she's been teaching as this was 12. Wow. Yeah. You've created, you've created your own band. So you're the Nigel Lithgow of your own own pop stars. You have your own pop stars? Yeah. Would you be in a band if your children came to and said, we're the to be in it? the their their their their their their their their their. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh, the the the their own own own own the the the the the the the the the the the the their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their th. thoea. thoooooooea. tea. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. their the, we're going to start a band and we want you to be in it, would you join? They would never want me in their band. It would be like here, sell over again. Well it's bad because not always like the three of them have the same, you know,

Starting point is 00:39:38 like you obviously your passion's music, isn't it? Yeah, very much. They're all their passion, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi's, thi. to thi. to be to be, to be, to to to to to to to to to to to to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. the. the. thean. thin, th. their, their, their, their, th. toe. toe. toe. toe. to to to the. the. the got the same passion as their mom. That's nice, you've got that shared interest where normally one rails against it. Yeah, very much. With sibling rivalry, like if one's good at it, I know, if my brother's really good piano, I'll be like, I'm doing that. No, but that's why I gave them more different instruments. I did that on purpose. Right. Because my family growing up, we all got the same instruments the same instruments the same instruments the same instruments the same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same the same instruments the same instruments the same instruments the same instruments the same instruments the same instruments the same instruments socials. I usually film one in one room and one in the other,

Starting point is 00:40:05 and they just both do, like, one will do piano, one will do cello, they'll swap over. Snoop's got a gin and juice on the go, listen to some beats. Obviously, you're like, you're, you love your music, milli and Josh, you know, why I'm inclined. But the thought of hearing three instruments at 6.30 a.m. at breakfast, I don't think I'd cope. I just like, fucking shut up.

Starting point is 00:40:32 I'm trying to be weepix here. I've got not enough milk. The toast burn. Oh, no, I love it. I love the loud household. I love our house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house house friends who come over and have said, your house is very loud. Is it quite an open house? Is it one of those houses where there's always people coming and going? Yeah, and I'll tell you why,

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Starting point is 00:41:18 There's always someone dropping their keeps on her, or they just go to shops or to get their legs whacked. Obviously at the weekends, Ava's teaching all her pupils, so their mums and dads come in for a cup of tea. It's just, it is chaotic. And there's just, she's earning good money from 12. She's doing really well. She doesn't ask me for money for, I don't have a few years. But you have to entertain the parents? Yes. You should get a split. Yeah, she's got the easier gig. Well, I have pointed this out as we were talking about taxes and about finance and how to pay your way

Starting point is 00:41:52 and I said, look, you don't get charged for the room or the electricity or the use of the piano, the wear and tear of the stool or teaching has a free meet and greet Myelin class chucks it. When you put it like that I do sit and have a coffee with them. Do you really get any of a Miling class fans that the kids are disinterested in piano and your daughter's in on it going let's just sit here and pretend I'll play for a bit and then your mom and dad can have a chat with a child and they're you're not into into the to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th and th and th and the th and th and the th and their th and their their their mom to to to to to to to to to to the and to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to their their to to their their to to th. to th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I th. th. I th th th th th th th th th thin the the the the the the the the their the the the the the the the to the to to to to the to the the to the they're paying good money. Yeah, it's not a bad idea. Got this little side, Anna. So are you having to do nine parents? You must be buzzing off your face with the coffees you're having on a Saturday. I live on coffee.

Starting point is 00:42:33 I live on coffee. Pro Hero actually, actually, I don't know where she heard this from. She said if you have five coffees, she said that? Yeah right. If I don't have those coffees, then I will be breaking the family rule. I have to have this coffee. How many, how many coffees you on a day would just say? Oh, God, easily five. Easily five. Easily five skinny cappuccinos. Yeah. First one as soon as you get when you're having the last one? Yeah, sometimes I have a meal. Oh, a night? Isn't that night? I can sleep any time anywhere.

Starting point is 00:43:13 Oh, man. That sounds so much fun. I have one coffee and I'm absolutely high as a kite followed by so low. It's like the, the come down I have from a single coffee is like nothing I've ever experienced in my life. Really? Yeah. You just drink tea now. Your kids are still young. You've been young, pipe powder wine, you've got time. But you just drink tea? I've never had a coffee have you, Josh. I've never known. I've I drank too much a university, Josh. I know I drank too much coffee at coffee the to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. ti. ti. ti. ti. ti. ti. ti. ti. ti. ti. ti. ti. I've never known I drank too much at university of course I mean that's such as lame story just did too much coffee university guys but like I was I was doing class levels of coffee at university really and it was yeah and then it was really bad I was getting like I was starting up in the morning so consuming so much caffeine oh oh I'm not made a strong stuff

Starting point is 00:44:01 I'm not made a strong stuff. I don't have to get through the day without whether it's a coffee. Oh, you're right, right? I'm just not made a strong stuff like coffee, he's just killing him. Poor old George. I can't even learn how it's to pouring. I did go teacap, tea after about 2 p.m. So there we go. Moline's dealing with it, five coffees, plowing on. Are you worried there's going to be a massive

Starting point is 00:44:27 caffeine crush at some point, Mileen or do you can ride it out? I think I'm just keeping things like the status quo is just keep the coffee rolling. Don't wait for the crash. That's the error. Don't wait for the crash. Normally we'd be like so what's the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the to be the the to be the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the c. the the the c. the c. the the c. the c. the c. the the the c. the the the c. the the the c. the c. the the th. thrush. thrush. tra. trash.cuffea. trash.cuffease. trash. trash. trash. trash. trash. th. th. the the the the the's a show business taught you anything. Normally we'd be like, so what's the score with like alcohol and discussing that with your kids and they're 15 or stuff? Where do you stand on? What age can a kid start having coffee? Oh yeah. Oh my god.

Starting point is 00:44:57 So, it's interesting. Again, I did that in the book. I did measures. Because the kids love it. Because, the kids, their, the table and you said because there was this trend and I think the girls pointed it out to me on on tick-top where kids were just down in bottles of vodka and I said to them that is that water. Oh my god. That's water and that's why I put that in the book because I if you've got friends, you know, everyone sees drink. But actually have you ever sat down with your kids and explained drink and measures? It's like when you lay all the glasses out in front of them and you show a pint glass and a shot

Starting point is 00:45:33 glass and you say, look, if you poured the vodka shot into a pine glass, you'd be in severe trouble. I think that's a really important thing to teach them and the tho. And to to to the, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, to, the, to, the, the, the, the, and, the, the, and, the, and, and, the, and, and, the, and, the, the, and, and, and, the, and, and, the, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, the, and, and, and, and, and, and, the, and, and, and, and, and, and, to, to, to, to.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a. to, to, the, the, to teach them. And then what I've also showed is how easily it is to spike a drink as well. We have all those conversations about never returning to a drink. And I think those are really important conversations, not to scare children. I think a lot of people have, I've seen the stories that have been written up about when I first introduced this book. Things on fire drills, that was, you know, those with heaven sensationalized too, but, you know, the London Fire Brigade got in toubts to say, thanks for talking about it, because I think, you know, you do fire musters at work, you do fire musters at school, but you don't, you should do, you should do a fire drill in your house.

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Starting point is 00:47:06 You'd rather have an awkward conversation about it than them not know and the worst happened. It's awkward because you're applying your emotion to it. Yeah, because you're panicking about it, yeah. They don't know that a fire is hot because they're forever trying to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the the their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their not their not their not their. their. their. their. their. their. their their their. their their their their their their their their tou. tou. tou. try. try. tooooooooooooooomorrow. And theats. And theats. And the worst. And their their their their the danger, turn it into a game. So show them how to crawl across the floor. We make, we did, we did a game where, you know, we try to do it in the dark because often it's a smoke that is the inhibitor as opposed to a far. And it's before after piano lessons at 6.30 a.m. When you're sniffing this for my kids. This is torture.

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Starting point is 00:48:33 But it's so nice. You're so excited about, you're what you like to do. I just think it gets really sad like it's almost like when you hear parents I don't look we're all tired we're all massively overwhelmed or worried about what the future holds it feels relentless at the moment it feels like I said overwhelming but you know what they've I've got a 15 year old I blinked and she was 15. Yeah I just think you know I just want to be team kids I their. I'm a a their. I'm a their. I'm a their. I'm a their. I'm their. I'm their. I'm their. I'm their. I'm their. their. their. their. their. their. to their. to their. their their their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their their their their their their their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. ti. ti. ti. ti. ti. ti. ti. ti. ti. ti. their. their. their. their just want to be team kids. I do enjoy their company, enjoy being a mom. I hear so many times that people moaned about, oh God, the kids did this. And then they did that. Yeah, we've got to hear the living though, Miley. Let's not, let's not shit on that that. that's not shit. the that's that's that's that's not. that's not, th. th. th. th. th. th. the th. the th. their, th. th. th. their, th. th. th. th. that's not, th. that's that's that's that's th. their, their, their, their their, their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. th. t. tod. today's. today's. today. today. today's. today's. today's. their. their. their. their. their. their okay because I'm twice a week we're pumping this out. I thought they're just growing up so quickly. I know it's bad isn't it? It seems like the baby

Starting point is 00:49:29 is three. I do think yeah I mean now now mine are less labor intensive because they're six and four I am really enjoying their company but when they're well Josh's stage with 15 months he's unrelenting but yeah you know it's so true it's unrelenting but but yeah you know it's it's so true it's like it goes so quick but they shift like you know here A versus challenges now you know she's self-sufficient in so many ways but her challenges are challenges that I can't always solve you know I sit down all to try and figure out together because some of them is just that it's so complicated and we're also we're trying to prepare them for jobs that didn't exist when we were growing up. We're trying to prepare them for a world that has socials and tech in it that we didn't have. And you're trying to tell them how to behave and navigate this world.

Starting point is 00:50:13 And we never, can you imagine if this was, if your past was all over the internet or your photos or conversations? on your conversations. Yeah. Oh my gosh. Could you imagine what our poor kids are navigating? It's terrifying. And as someone who loves a busy house, and obviously you kind of, I can see you just like, you adore having a kid's all doing different things and stuff, you've got 15-year-old daughter who maybe in three years is going to leave home, can you comprehend that? How do you think you're going to deal with? What, to go to the monastery? Well, yeah, because obviously you've got the, you know, Snoop and he's young still, but

Starting point is 00:50:52 are you going to be that mom, I think, that moves to near the university? Well, no, it's on the floor next to the back. Okay. Everyone's got a bunch. Somebody said to me, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you from a night out already. And somebody said to me, you know, that nature designs it very well that by the point they're moving out, they don't, they can't tolerate your ideas or whatever else. And you're probably on your last nerve as well. But I just, I just, you know, I said to them, I want you to go out and do whatever it whatever that passion is or whatever..... the job. You the job. You the job. You the job. You the job. You. You. the job. the job. the job. the job. the job. their, you. their, you their, you to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to that, that, that, that nature, that nature, that nature, that nature, that nature, to, that nature, to, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, th. th. th. their, their, their, tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. that, that, that, that, that nature, th. th. th do whatever it is, you know, whatever that passion is or whatever you want to go and follow or travel, just come home, just make sure you come home. But I just think that I did make you have to look after your mom in all day, you know, you have to, I think that's such a, that's a real labor on a child and I don't, I've been really

Starting point is 00:51:40 careful about my language around that. And I've also changed a lot of my language recently. You're just talk to people when you pick up tips. And it was actually Catlin Moran, actually. She said to me recently that she stopped saying to her children, I just want you to be happy. And I'm like, oh my God, I say that all the time. I say that all to be happy when I'm stressed at work and worrying about you know whatever. Yeah. I will now I've got to be happy on top of it all. I think you just got a roll with the punches

Starting point is 00:52:14 but here I but Aver can never remember which today they're really wound up with me when I confuse their names they get really mad with me. But I know who I'm talking about, it's just to be shouting another person's name. I think, yeah, it breaks my heart to think but they've been with you forever and then you will have that. I can't even imagine it. And yeah, saying all of that, I'm gonna be a massive hypocrite. So when do you like like draw that line because when they move to uni and then in the uni house are you getting her and all the

Starting point is 00:52:48 her mates doing the firepoint muster is that but part of you will want who you'll be in there visiting guys lovely is it that's the kitchen that's guys quick firepoint master if this is a podcast this is a podcast fuck off mom I'm 26. Really cool, mom with you. Hey guys, she's me here. The crab releaseer, quick one. But that's the difficulty, isn't it?

Starting point is 00:53:13 You still want to do it, but you can't. That's your job as well. You are still going to be mom. I don't, I don't see. Yeah, but you can't do a firepher. at a uni house. All right, I might hold off on that. What about... You want to do it that? What about a piano schedule? A piano schedule when she moves into her halls? Right, everyone. I've noted down when you're all doing the piano in the morning. You'll check, you'll ask, don't you know. I've been really smart with the it said, I just said it to Aben, I said to see my partner, I said once they hit 15, it's just no impossible,

Starting point is 00:53:50 that practice, you know, it's hard. Yeah. Because they want to be out with their mates and why wisn't they? Yeah. Because I've had that and I'd lived that, that, that's why I raised Like Ava's got her deployments, she's starting music college, she can earn money now. It might not be the part of... She's got a trade. She's already got a trade.

Starting point is 00:54:08 Always have a trade. Yeah. Like the South London way, you're talking about. Yeah. I've been upstavesa fortune on doing my own plumbing. always teach piano essentially if they get through the grade. But also it's a transferable skill. It's a transferable skill. So she gets paid by TickTock. She's not like just holding up shampoo bottles and you know just to advertise. She actually gets paid to make videos. She's figured this out now. So what's brilliant about all of this is I don't have to say go and do your piano because she knows she earns on a Saturday from it. She knows some social media from it and it's an actual talent so no one can actually just

Starting point is 00:54:49 be you know, you're not wearing the right clothes. I don't like your realistic surface level of how so many bands are judged. She's she's a diploma student that's going to music college, she's sorted from that point. And even if she decides, you know, she wants to go done a completely different route, I know I've just given her a trade. I know that he'll always be able to eat. That's something, yeah, it's an amazing thing to have,

Starting point is 00:55:14 like forever. But how, what was your journey of learning? Was it different to how it when they were younger? Well did you say you had to do it when you was older when you did your levels? I didn't have a mom who could read music so if I couldn't figure something out I had a whole week of having to wait to see my teacher. I can hear what's going on if I'm just doing the washing up and I could think there's a running joke but I can literally hear C sharp! It's a C sharp and sharp. I was really hoping I wasn't coming across like some tiger mum, but it's like... No, it's great. It's all coming from love. It's all coming from such a good place. But if they don't want to do it, I've also said, just don't do it. It's lifey short.

Starting point is 00:56:00 It is way too short, but they're loving the flex have been able to go, I've earned much money. I would have love love love love love love love love love love love love love love to have love to have love to have love to have love to have love that ability that ability that ability that ability that ability that to have love that that that that that that to have love th love th love th love th love th love to have th love to have to have to have to have to have short, but their love in the flex have been able to go, I've earned money. I would have loved to have that ability to earn that money when I was 15. Genuinely, like it's such a great thing to have. But I think it comes from a real place of like love and excitement and opportunity, I think sometimes when it's coming from a place of fear of, oh my children aren't keeping up a school and then you bad in them and go and do this, do that. That's when I don't think the kids sort of enjoy it. But when it's like you're sort of, well, if you do that, it's a C sharp, but if you do that, then you can earn money from it,

Starting point is 00:56:29 it's an opportunity, not a fearful thing. I get asked by moms a lot. They want to get a language the way that you listen it teachers you to listen, not to actually not you're not always on send but ultimately I think there's a lot of parents who say to me well my child isn't you know practicing or they don't seem to enjoy it or change the teacher because yeah music is fun. Nobu-In't. Yeah. Music is music is music is their. No. No. No. Music is their. Music is fun. Music is fun. No. No. No. Music is fun. No. Music is fun. No. No. No. Music is fun. Music is fun. Music is fun. Music is fun. Music is fun. Music is fun. Music is fun. the music is fun. the the to to the music is fun. No. Music is fun. to to to to to to to the to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to their. their. Music is their. Music is fun. Music is fun. Music is fun. Music is fun. Music is fun. Music is fun. Music is fun. Music is fun. Music is fun. Music is fun. Music is fun. No. No. No. their. their. their. Music is fun. their. their music music music music music is fun. Music is fun. Music is fun. their music music music music is fun. their music music music music is fun. the music music is fun. the music is fun. the music is fun. the music is fun. the music is fun. their music is fun. to a gig, well, shouldn't do and just be like, you know, to come out, you know, utterly miserable, you know, it just goes into your soul, you go to a concert and it touches something, you watch a movie, if you turn the sound off, I know that you'd say that you'd rather listen such a huge nostalgic part of our childhood. In music, irrespective of how you think you feel about it, it touches absolutely everybody.

Starting point is 00:57:32 It's like it is, it's a universal language. Well whenever I get in a sea you can hear it, Donna. Exactly. So last question on learning the music, recorders, good intro or bullshit? Absolutely bullshit. Burn them! I draw them somewhere. I'm trying somewhere. Triangle.

Starting point is 00:57:51 Just fuck off and find something you're good at. Fucking triangle. For if I was to buy my daughter an instrument, what instrument would you suggest I buy her? So this is an interesting one because I get asked this a lot. Actually if you want to get your child into music, play the music, play them every genre you can. Dolly Parton, Johnny Cash, Pavarotti, don't just give them, you know, one genre of music because it's what you listen to. It's so important that they can, you know, pick and choose different

Starting point is 00:58:22 different bits and hear the influences of other songs. You know, you could, I know, so many people think that classical music is boring, but now if you listen to how many people are using classical music in, you know, their pop writing, it's just, it's the key to everything. Packer Bell's Canon, which I used to make my money as a teenager playing at weddings, every single wedding once a-a-bell's canon it's what oasis used, Kylie used you know for the locomotion it's morning glory it's just they every single act every single writer is you need packer bells cannon just the key even Alan Sugar used classical music for the start the apprentice yeah

Starting point is 00:58:59 for coffee yeah quite right you see but I just think that's it's like play the music because not everyone can't the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the ti used tie used tie used tie used tie used tie used used used used to use used used used used used used used used used used used used used used used used used used the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the see. But I just think that's it. It's like play the music because not everyone can afford an instrument and then they have an instrument that just sits there collecting dust because they don't play and then they decide they're not very musical. She gets it from me I'm not very musical. And I just think that's a real shame. Teach them how to listen to different pieces and different melodies and they'll they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they'll they'll they'll th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. theeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. the. the. the. the. to different pieces and different melodies and they'll sing along to it and you know anything can become an instrument in the house if you are going to you know run with anything I say run with it it's impossible to do so but you know piano is key because it's both hands both lines that you're learning it's it's like a staple everyone loves to sing along

Starting point is 00:59:39 the piano. Myrtle the last question, this is about your partner. Is there one thing they do parenting-wise that really annoys you and frustrates you but they keep doing and one thing that they do that's amazing? We try and finish on a positive if you want to do the negative first. Okay so Sim does this thing with the washing up,enga. Right. That with all the kids stuff, it just gets piled up higher and higher. And it's just one of those things. I just, you'll hear it in the middle of sometimes, just gush. Oh, yeah.

Starting point is 01:00:14 It all comes crashing. I know it comes from a good place. He's trying to, you know, see the laundry, do the wash it and help out. that that gets my nerves on edge because there's a breakage and on a good point I have never seen him ever not be so happy to get hands on he's so hands on he is it's brilliant he's like a kid and I think that that's such an infectious thing for children to see someone who doesn't mind you know running in the parents race and go around again doing it just fun on when we're doing trick-or-treat just isn't afraid to make you know a full of himself and just puts the fun back into it all. And and doesn't die which is key for the classes. That's fun doesn't die.

Starting point is 01:00:56 Do you know what he's always full of like surprises he's just been coaching hero because here was decided she wants to get into cricket and they had this whole thing where I showed up just to watch and he'd done all these like special bowling lot of tricks that they had they had if you like to see a league of their own when they do for the movie where they've got their little signs and they were both communicating as to what bowl she should do next and I just to when you say that's really that's really special. Oh lovely. These podcasts got much since we ended on the positive. We used to just end with the negative. But it's nice now. It's nice now. And good luck with the book.

Starting point is 01:01:32 The book is out now. They don't teach this at school. Essential knowledge to tackle everyday challenges. There we go. Thank you. Thank you very much, Mylene Class. Honestly, thank you. Myling Class. There we go. What a lovely woman. She's lovely. Do you know what, though?

Starting point is 01:01:49 I reckon three coffees enough. I'm gonna say it, maybe I need a coffee. I just need one. I think, how about me and me and you have an extra one, and she has three. I wish I had that that's life life. I will again. Mine and Classe, don't forget to buy a book and we'll see you on Friday. Cheers! Bye!

Parenting Hell with Rob Beckett and Josh Widdicombe - S05 EP18: Myleene Klass

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