Parenting Hell with Rob Beckett and Josh Widdicombe - S12 EP18: Kamille

Episode Date: March 6, 2026

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Rob Beckett. And can you say Josh Whittaker? Josh Whittaker. And can you say producer Michael? Producer Michael. Can you say producer Michael? Just producer Michael. What are you?

They're okay. Sounds like she launched them down a waterfall. That is the most middle class voice note. We have ever... Producer, Michael, there you go, Marga. Hello, you sexy beast. Cheekly sending this again in an attempt to reach the top of the pile, successful. And you know what?

What? Michael sent me two emails. You've got an iPhone, haven't you? When I... It's too easy to delete an email. There's just one button at the bottom. Yeah? I clicked on the other email.

Went to press the voice note. Press delete by mistake. And this one came up. Wow. So they fluked their way to the top of the pile. Okay. And where they from? Stroud in Gloucestershire. Oh.

And Imogen 2, Margot nearly 5, having a go at your names. And don't worry, the noise at the end is my eldest doing a corkscrew in the bar. Oh, spinning round thing. No, she's opening a bottle of 1974, blah, blah, blah, blah. That's not how content works. You can't gesture towards doing something that's funny. Everyone knew everyone. You know I'm going to do that.

You finish your right, right, right. Come on. need for me to finish I understand you're a busy man. I might do a tour show where every punchline just goes, you know, but that was just the teacher, you know what I mean. Yeah, yeah, I do half this

sound, yeah, yeah, right, yeah, and you go, welcome to the show, Roura, got some kids, a funny story about kids, I haven't heard anyone else write in from here, so wondering if we're a first. I don't know, couldn't care less. Thanks for all the laughs and and parenting tips, Charlotte, Mum,

as they spell it. Oh, mom, as they spell it in my Midland motherland. I thought I was an American thing. Mom. Mom. But I don't think they spell it like that. That's just how they say it. Mom.

She's written, spell it. We'll never know. MOM. M. Like Americans. Yeah. Mom. Mom.

There we go. Show today. Sorry, I got distracted. Sorry, I didn't know what was going on. Yeah, no, I've got confused. Camille. Great guest. Very excited about this.

Brilliant guest. One of the most prolific pop music writers also a singer in her own right and now in the Netflix series with Simon Cow. 32 songs she's written for Little Mix. Yeah, 16 number ones. A Grammy.

A Grammy? Yeah, well, if you want to do a shout out to your ex, go for it, Rob, but it feels inappropriate. I was going to do one then, but I thought Lou might get it. Lou won't give a shit. Shout to Steve. A bit of fun, in it.

Bit of fun, yeah. You will see at the end that she came in with three different drinks because she'd never been to blank street coffee before. Well, matcha, we would disgust that we think matches are like of bollocks. Do you want to try it? No, it's four hours old.

Maybe in the post-damble. Let's see. Here's Camille. I'm trying to just talk our way in now. Okay, yeah, let's do it. Rather than doing a big intro. How do you feel about that? Yeah, I like that.

It's more natural. A bit more relaxed. You've come in with your match a tea that you don't like. I hated them more. I've never had a match of tea. It's really not cute. Are you match a tea, Josh? No, I'm tea, Tee-Tee.

Did you just, did you just mirror my name? I'm mirroring you. Yeah, what is going on it? I feel like I'm in charge of a first date. I do mirror a lot, though. I do that a lot. I think it's just part of my job. I feel I'm an empath, so I'm always, like, connected with people.

What would you define your job as? Because you've done everything. Yeah. And it's an amazing career and a weird, quite a weird start into it as well. Okay. So if I say, if you met someone for the first time, what's your job? I would say I'm a singer-songwriter and producer. That is like my bread and butter.

Yeah. But I'm a bit of a jack of all trades. I can't lie. I started out as a stockbroker. Amazing. I'm like math geek and physics geek and stuff. Yeah. And then I walked out at my job one day.

In the rain. It was like a music video. And I literally just walked out. It was raining outside. I said, I'm not doing this anymore. How old were you then? I was about 21. I just got into my job.

And that's a good job to get into as well, 21. Yeah, my parents are some of set with me. They were like, what are you doing? Were that in the industry? No. My mom actually was in business. My mom had an MBA. I know.

What business? So she was like, she helped a lot of people start up businesses. So she wasn't in a chair in like St. Paul's or something? No, no. That's Obie, I think. Oh, so close.

I know, M's like, you know. You're here, but just be humble. Right, okay. It's like a humble em. Yes, a humble award. But yeah, so she was kind of like very big on education and went to private school. I was very lucky to go to private school.

Are you from Streatt? Are you from Streatter? I am. Where's the private school is Shretter? In Croydon. Freud and okay. Is it a British school? No, no.

We, I didn't get to go to British school because apparently, you know, I had to go to this school instead. Oh, so you had to go to these dreams. I really want to go to school. And you're so close to the Brit school. Round the corner. And I used to see all the kids going there

and like being successful stars and I was so upset. And then anyway, but no, my school's incredible. No, literally. Yeah, like flashed. Did you ever see anyone famous who you then went on? No, but I know like a lot of people that went there, like Ray went there and loads of people that I know. that I'm friends with went to

what's Ray like Dame Bowers there's going to be a lot of me going what's this person like she's honestly like incredible I've known her so long you own Jennifer Ross oh my god yeah

we've written so many songs together like she's just she's one of the best people you can ever meet is she? Yeah she's amazing who isn't there are you know what

I won't like there are a lot of people who aren't nice are that yeah I think you guys must find that as well it's one of the most disappointing things you find

in entertainment industry is when you meet someone you're like oh yeah I thought you'd be nice. No. Taylor, Swathe the Swift. You're on first, you're doing first name?

I think she's famous enough. Have you met Taylor? How about Elton? Yeah, sorry. You met Elwyn. You knew what I was talking about. Oh my gosh. I know, I just was like, I know.

I've been in rooms with a lot of people like that though, and I've gone up to people like, yeah. I've worked with Noel Rogers. That was incredible. Oh, wow. Was he fun? He was incredible. I literally produced him on my laptop. Oh my God.

On your laptop? At Abbey Road. Yeah. Oh, wow. We will get on to parents. But this is slightly more interesting. I mean, I forgot about that. Without throwing on the other.

I forgot why we're here. You, like you say, you're a bit of a maths whiz, right? Yes. Now, do you need, is it helpful to write songs if you're good at maths? Because putting a good pops on together is a bit almost like a formula. It can be quite formulaic. Yeah, definitely can. I think I study people like Max Martin.

Like, the Swedes are very. He's Max Martin. If you Google Max Martin, every pop song you've ever heard of. It's him. Hit me baby one more time. It's incredible. Oh, is that him? Okay.

He's a literally a living legend. Right, okay. So he's very formulaic. If you look at some of the songs, it's very mathematical, it's very symmetrical. It's like, here's the chorus and it does this and it goes to this chord. Almost like an equation. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like Abba.

It's like, it's like when I listen to Abba, I feel like I absolutely love it and I know all the words and I'm dancing and I don't really like Abba. It's almost like it's, you can't help, but it's like a cult. It's taken over my soul. No, but their songs are so good. They're so good. Why are they good? Because actually, if you look at them,

if it was a load of shit. But when you're into it, you're like, I can't stop singing a dancing. You're going to offend so many people right now of what you've just said. Yeah. All the Aver people. And they will remain offended.

Yeah. I've seen Mamma Mia the musical. I've watched it. I love it. Okay. Actually, if you ask me why I love it, I couldn't tell you. Because if you put ABA in Parker jackets

and that made them from like a working class time of place, and you were like, Would you then be like, I like Abba? Yeah. They've got to be a swagger. Can I tell? They haven't got enough swagger. That's your problem.

Ava songs, right, and those catchy pop songs like that, feel like they take over my mind and before an art I'm already doing it. An oasis song takes over my soul. Oh, okay. I hear what you're saying. I think that comes down to, though, the maths of the song. I really do. Because there's certain notes that they've used in that song, which,

Dancing Queen. It's very like, da, da, da, da. There's a lot of songs that do that. Would you discuss things like that when you're writing a song? Oh, yeah. We all got on the parenting. We're actually if we've got on the apparent coverage. We're here on a parenting podcast.

I'm willing to put my kids up to adoption to carry on chat in effect. That's okay music. No, you know what? I have written with some of the biggest producers you'd ever know, like Steve Mack. I don't know if you know he is. He's one of the biggest. He wrote shape of you eventually. So, okay, there is definitely a science that we discussed.

Mitch you wrote for you. I've written 32 songs for Little Mix. Have you ever written with or met the guy, what's his name, who does Jack Antonoff? No. So he seems like he's just like golden, right? You know. So he does Taylor's for Sabrina Carpenter, Lana Del Rey. Yeah, he's incredible.

The Holy Trinity. He kind of is also another living legend. There's a few people like that. He were like, how do you do this so consistently? Yeah. It's crazy. And can I ask one more question before we ask? Yeah.

Go. got a child. I love him if you went no and just left. No, I don't actually. Just came for the vibe. What does your child think about the maths of music? Which is, what's it feel like? Because obviously you're a performer yourself,

but you're also a songwriter and producer. Yeah. Does it feel difficult to see other people doing your songs? I'm sure you... I get us this a lot. For me, it doesn't because I write a lot of songs. Honestly, I don't even care. I'm so chill with that.

Like, because also I've come to the realization that every song has this moment. So even if it's not for me, it will get me somewhere else because I've written a song that could be a hit for someone. That's literally how it's works. And you have a writing something for, you know, it's ex band, right? And you think, do you know what, this is. That's happened to be loads of times. Yeah, loads of times. I'm keeping this.

I won't say no. No. I've literally read something and I'm like, fuck's sake. Because we've like writing jokes sometimes, like a similar way. If it's a different type of comedy or a different type of similar, you guys. You go, I would never be able to say that joke or sing that song. So it's nice to see someone take it. 100%.

But if it's one you think, Rob's written all in my thoughts. Yeah. You know, because if I help Rommers from a joke about being Asian. I didn't realize what you guys do, it's very similar. There's a lot of, like,

ghost writing in comedy, and I didn't realize, like a lot of people can write other people's jokes. Yeah, so for TV, there's a lot of comedy writers, for panel shows. For stand-up, not, is very frowned upon.

It's very frowned upon. If you were to perform a joke that someone else wrote in your stand-up. You want me out to tell, but I think in stand-up, that's you, that's all you, where when you're on TV, you're like being employed to do a job. I know a famous car I name them, but a famous comedian who employed a writer. So you might say, like, get something to come and watch your show and go, have you got any more on these things? Okay, yeah. That's from a friendly way.

Like, I might give Josh a topper of a joke where, yeah, but I know a comedian who just paid a writer to work four days. and the brief was just write some stand up. So it was just like, write me just anything that you think I would say. I think I would say. I think the show suffers because it's not from your heart. You can probably get AI to do that now. I know. Let's talk about your kids.

Okay, yes. Two kids. I have two. The Wikipedia wasn't updated. Yeah. I don't know what. Do you know what? Wikipedia's weird.

Like some of the things are on there. I'm like, getting a bit aggy because of AI now. Don't know. You got to support us. strong Wikipedia. I don't know who's updating that. Who updates it? Well, at points, it was so

fans. It was so good your Wikipedia at points that I thought, she's written her own Wikipedia. I swear to God I have not touched it. No, well obviously, because you write the right amount of kids. Exactly true. True. That's true. There you go. It's hard to remember two kids when you've got really extreme fans. I do. I'm on a telegram with them actually.

Eventually you want her first grammy. You want a telegram? Do you know what telegram? Do you know what telegram is? it's a social media. So, Josh, it's a group where you can connect with fans on a deeper level. Like a WhatsApp group? Very much so, but with not so personal. But not so personal. Yeah, because you can't see numbers.

So what kind of, can they reply? They can, yeah, yeah. It's like a proper, like, chat group. And do they know it's you? Oh, yeah, they know it's me. And what does? So they can see who each person is? We just chat, rubbish, to be honest with you.

We should get a telegraph. You should. Hair and in Hill, Telegraph. Yeah. I do feel like your followers might be quite unhinged, though. I think I'd be a bit worried. Anything to do with parenting, there's a ways to 5% are quite intense, either way. That's the thing with parenting.

I feel like when it's in a public forum, someone's always got something to say. That really does annoy me. Like, if you're on TikTok and it's like a parenting video or something. Oh my God, they just, they're awful. I'm like, they're the worst trolls of all, I think. A lot of they're like, you know, know it all parents. But you'll get grief for like, say, for example, if I went on TikTok and said, oh, I took my daughter to the park, went on the side, she only slipped off and, like, hit her head.

And someone would go, terrible parenting. It's ridiculous. Or they will go, oh, pandering. Oh, my God. You cuddle in when she cried. Do you not really trigger people? No, don't get a telegram. I think the thing that triggers people the most is seeing moms do the cry out method.

Like if you're letting your child cry, that is a big. That is triggering. So how old do you, you've got eight months old? I have an eight months old. Yeah. And Tori, my daughter. Sid, three year old? And a two year old.

Two year old. T. So where are they at this moment? Right now, T.J's at nursery. And Tari's at home with her dad. Oh wow. Mom stay out. So how are you splitting the work?

Stay out. No one is so pleased to be here. I got the call. I was like, yeah. See you later, guys. I'm off to work. So who would be the default parent? Are you splitting it 50-50?

To be fair, we split everything. Because we both kind of work from home. My husband is like a car content creator. He's incredible. He's a really famous TikToker. Like when we're in the street, people push me out of the way. Oh, really? Yeah.

How's his name? Tommy. Tommy. Tommy also. So. We digress. You combine your parenting because you're both working from home. Yeah.

With your job, then, if you're writing songs and stuff or producing, is that not one of those things where you need to, like, disappear into it? Oh my God, my 100%. It's really hard. There's different elements to what I do. If I'm finishing a song, tweaking it, then my kids can be in the room. Like, my daughter, Tari is so growly, though. Like, she's like, ha, ha, she growls all the time.

You're sampling her? I actually have. I really, really have. I don't get why she's so growly. She's a cute. She's just been growling since birth. That's just her vibe. So my brother Joe was always like...

That's what growling me? She growls. But he was always like quite a miserable child. Really? Like my mum would say like he was always like a bit of, yeah, like quite chill. Some kids are just on their own energy.

She's really happy though, but she just growls. In happiness she growls. She just be like, eh, eh. Have you seen... That's really weird? Get Back, the Beatles film where they're making Let It Be. And there's a bit where they're listening back. And Linda McCartney

son or daughter I think it is daughter. I think he's daughter. I think he's sausages were sitting there. Linda McCartney's sausages are silly now. I can't hear anything Linda. Shut the door. He'll never take off. Linda's daughter's in the mixing room just playing around them and I just

thought that must be so do you know what? It's not one of those jobs where I think you can bring kids to work very easily like it's just not that kind of vibe. You do need to kind of be in the zone and focus and be able to like have wonderful melodies coming to your head without your child screaming at you.

That's quite hard. But I tend to work out of the house if I'm going to a session. So if I'm with an artist in the room, I'll go to where I'm now, like a studio. Yes. But if I'm at home, it's because I'm in my own zone

and I'm being around. This is a bit like laying down on a track. It is. It is. Can you lay something down for me now? But the beats love. You're listening something for us. No, no, I can only talk.

But it's difficult, though, if you are a comedian, because if you introduce to the world as a comedian, you can't do anything that's serious. The great, the great, album of all time, right? I still don't think if I

released it now. We wouldn't take you seriously. No, even if it was pound for pound the best. We wouldn't. Yeah. That's actually really sad, isn't it? I know. It's my absolute trauma, because you should see the songs I'm sitting on. I thought it's kind of like Harry Potter. I feel like Daniel Radcliffe could never be anything else. No.

And he didn't really shoot up enough to be Harry Potter, did he? That's the elephant in the room in it. I thought you meant. I thought he meant that. I thought he meant that. What do you mean? I missed. I mean, John. He didn't do enough heroine. I thought, I thought it was

a mental dark. I thought it was like a child thing. In the books Harry Potter turns into

his six foot three tall dark and he's not he's a lovely little lovely little fellow yeah

I know so talk to me about having an eight month old what's your day like at the moment you know what

I think because this is our second child it's chill like because I know who I am now you're experienced

or I really, I care less. I really just have stopped care. Not in a bad way though, but you're not overly worried. That's what we were like. And the key for me was with her, I sleep trained her. Oh, really? My gosh.

Right, before we get into this, can you tell me what you did with the first one and then we did with the second one? Oh, my God, poor T.J. He was just kind of, we were so, you know, cautious about everything. Everything was life and day. Oh, my gosh. He's got a rash. Oh, my God. It's a and E.

Like, we were ridiculous. Oh, yeah. we were that. You can't touch him. You can't touch the baby like that. I was literally like obsessed. Yeah, it was so, so stupid. When I look back, I'm like, oh my God, what was I? It's my first time you don't know any different. If my parents came to the house and I washed their hands, I would breathe fire on them. Like, how dare you touch this child. What were your parents' reaction to that? Were they like, just rolling their eyes at me constantly? Because their generation would be like. And Tommy's even worse than me. My husband is even worse than me. He is like a hypochondriac,

literally like. So, yeah. How clean is your car? They're supremely clean. you get some clean like once every four days, three four days. Wow. Yeah. Josh's is an absolute shit. Yes. It's okay.

What was sleep? Was you a little bit like, was there no sleep routine with the first one? We left it till, I'll tell you what happened, right? It was about 10 months in and he still wasn't sleeping through the night. And we used to do this thing where we had to pace around with him in the dark. Like some kind of, oh, yeah, the classic. The pace, right? Every night.

And I was like, this can't go on for hours. Yeah. Then Tommy is to go to a wedding in Chicago, left me in the house of this baby on my own. Right? Okay. But you're not invited. No, I was, I thought, I'm not going to go with the baby. I just couldn't do with the stress of the plane.

And it's a 10-hour flight to Chicago. So I was at home with this baby and I was like, what am I doing? And he did his usual thing where he started screaming all night. Yeah. And then Bridgeton was on Netflix. And it got to the point where, right. This is the trick. I was crying because he was crying and I couldn't stop him from crying.

So it was horrible. I went into the bathroom and I just cried my eyes out. Now Tommy is looking on the camera because he was going on He's like, come here come on the baby's crying and go back

TJ's crying and I was like no it's me or him it's not going to be me literally and then I put Bridgeton on

I made sure caveats this is I made sure he was fed clean yeah of course everything was fine I turned the lights down low I walked out

I cried I put Bridgeton on on my air one air pod in yeah okay because I was having like high level anxiety

of this point is Bridgeton on the screen or is it on it was on my phone because Also, as well, if the baby's fed and clean, warm, in a safe place. There's crying, but the baby's not crying because they're so... The baby is fine. The baby will be fine.

Okay, this is what we all need to realise. Of course you must go in comfort, but your child is fine. Yes. Okay, so I went into the bathroom. I watched Bridgeton. So you watched the Bridgeton? In the bathroom. Okay, hiding.

Crying. I think you might be putting too much emphasis on what you watch. Because it was so important. It was Bridgeton. Yeah, because it was this gavism of Bridgeton. It was beautiful. Right. Yeah. You know, romance.

It was just lovely for me. I cried. Tommy's on the phone. What time is this? It must have been like 1 a.m. Yeah, yeah. Okay. And I'd already done about four hours of pacing at this point.

Okay. So then about 15 minutes went by his cries. Sorry, his cries got less and less and less. I was still watching him. I was this close to going in. Then he just went to sleep. Yeah. And I said, are you serious?

This is all in too. So then I thought, okay, we're going to do this again. the next day I did it. So I actually didn't sleep train on purpose. Did you do Bridget it again? Pardon? Did you do Bridget it again? I did just bridge it again.

The next episode, I did it. I'll just finish it slowly on my own. And then by the time Tommy got back from Chicago, he was sleep trained. Amazing. And so did you do the same again? No, this time we didn't do it through film. This time I did it, you know, it was much calmer and happy at this time. But I did it very early.

It was like four months. But allowed them to cry a little bit. A little bit, not much with Tari. With her, it was more had her on a schedule. And I knew what would happen. And I knew that I had to leave her. to learn how to soothe herself. Yes.

They don't do that, then you're kind of, you're stopping them from really integral learning about how to sleep. This is what I do as well. Yeah. I think we all need to be sick change. Did you bring back Bridgeton?

No, but the new series is coming, so I'm going to bring it out. So if anyone's got a baby that won't sleep nearby, you could do the Bridgetton special. I'm telling you know it works every time, and I've actually helped a few of my friends do this as well. Well, we had to do that with our youngest because nothing worked.

We were the same pacing on our chest. Oh my gosh. And then one night we tried that. And it works. It does work. It's horrible for about 20 minutes, half an hour. And it feels like three years. It feels like hell.

But it did work. And then she now sleeps soundly perfectly all night and fine. We're actually the youngest that we didn't do it with, she's a bit more of a nightmare going to sleep. Oh, see. But it's no too late. No, exactly. How old are she? Eight.

Oh. Okay. It's going to be fine. She's fine. She's fine in her own way. She wakes up in the night. Oh. So how old are your children?

10 and 8. 10 and 8. You're so lucky. You're out of the woods. No, because you miss it. No? Do you miss this bit? No.

No. Not eight months. I miss where they're like two. If you could give me another three year old, I'd take it. Okay. Below that. It's hard. When they're still squeegey and waddling around when they're like three and they're hugging you, that is.

I do. Do you know what? I see what you mean because TJ now, he's so intelligent. He has full conversations with us too. Like he's very smart. I did actually enroll. him in this thing called Potential Plus. What's this?

Well, I went Googling to find out like groups. How smart is my kid? Yeah, literally. Because he was doing numbers and like reciting stuff from like one and a half. So I've got like, have I got past life? Honestly, I've asked all this question. So it was beyond what was expected of that age group. I promise you it was weird.

Like the things he was doing was like he was giving us numbers and things at like 12 months. Yeah. It was weird. Wow. So I enrolled him in this thing. Just recite up potential plus. Just recite up. Bridgeton whilst crying.

Yeah. So he's super, super smart. I don't know why I just thought of talking about. So what is past plus? No, past plus is potential plus. So what is that? It's like a thing you can roll your child in to kind of like rear them for like higher education and like to basically be in NASA or something.

Do you talk to Simon Cowell about parenting? Oh my gosh. No. That's one thing we haven't spoken about. Me and Simon are really good friends. Yeah. 100%. I worked on the X Factor a long time ago.

This was kind of like my introduction into his whole record label and his art. Right. And I'd be on this on the X Factor and then after the- So what was your job on the X Factor? I was like I was enrolled as a coach so I was kind of just there for the vibes But one thing Simon used to do after the episodes were shooting we'd all go back to his house and like get prepared for the next live show Yeah, of the live shows on the Sunday. Yeah, of course. So we'd all go to his house and he'd get like a feast of Chinese He's so generous. Is it? You'd have like anything you wanted in his house Really? Yeah. So I used to go there and just like get loads of like prawn on toast and just chill out and stuff.

And is this after the Saturday night? This was after Saturday night. So we're Saturday night live as well? Yeah. They were both live. So you're Saturday night live and then you go straight to his house. We go to his house, have meetings. And who's there at this meeting?

It was everyone. Louis there. Louis would be there. Yeah. Producers. Everyone. Yeah. It would come through.

Everyone was there. It was incredible. And I'm just this girl. I'm just from Streatham. I just turned up. Yeah. You must be really young at this point as well. She less than 21.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was about 22, maybe, 23. Wow. So I was just learning at this point And then after that show finished I remember it was then

Little Mix just got formed And so that's how you ended up working with Little Mix? It was kind of after that I was brought in to kind of help them with their music and stuff And I ended up writing Their album got scrapped actually They wrote a whole album and it got scrapped And they might have been

I think they was talk about them being dropped Oh my word And then after that we just rewrote a whole album And then Black Magic came And then they were back Amazing songs And you did both of those, do you? That's mad.

I've done 33 songs for them. We've had two number ones. I think I might be getting this wrong. There's a lot of success we've had. Yeah, it's been crazy with them. And it's mad that because now that's like, you know, because you saw them as like young teenage girls. And now they're all like,

like, got families and kids and moms. Do you talk to them? I do. I do. I do this. Oh, Jade is, they're all just amazing. Leanne and Perry and Jesse obviously. And I'm so heartbroken for what Jesse's going for at the moment.

Yeah, that's tough. like it's so so so sad i just feel like watching them grow into mothers and just face all the mother stuff now as well yeah we're just women at the end of the day just trying to get on with it is the music industry difficult because my wife worked in tv yeah you see very few you did see them but very few women at the top of tv because it's very difficult to get back it yeah luckily she didn't really want to be in tv anyway but it was impossible the hours were yeah if you go back into this you've worked in TV yeah the hours are meant like the hours are not unreal it's not normal and then if you have time out to have a family

that it's hard to get back in and it's unbearable is music a really difficult thing I think in the past there's definitely been this thing of oh if you have a baby you kind of written off and I find that so strange because I really feel like postpartum women I keep saying this I had a few meetings of like label heads recently and I said you need to hire postpartum women they are so laser focused okay we've got shit to pay for now we've got dreams and goals our ambitions are huge and we haven't got time

so we're going to be so productive and you've got to inspire the next generation that you just produced 100%. So it is sad that there has been that kind of thing I think with kids but now I think so much has changed in the music industry where now it's about the song more than ever I don't think there's that kind of you know

stupid stereotype about oh if you're a mom you're not cool or you're not yes or that and also I don't give a fuck also there's that part like what I like that they can engage with that attitude Yeah, he gives a shit. Like, I'm a musician. And also, because I know I'm amazing of what I do.

I'm just confident in myself. So what's the next step for you now? Is it more writing, more like TV work or your own tour? Yeah. You know, if you do go on tour, that's really difficult. That's going to be difficult. I won't lie. Yeah.

I don't know how you go on tour with a child. You've got a great driver anyway. I mean, Tommy's going to have to be there. It's going to have to get a people carrying out. But you're not going to want, like, because we get to go on and off a bit. That's the way comedy works. Do you bring the kids with you? No, no.

No. No. Come to your gig. No. Because we can go home a lot. Because we're not doing America or stuff. No, I know. You're so lucky then.

So most places you can get home from. Do you have dad guilt? Is that a thing? Yeah. Horrific. I feel like mum guilt is the thing. Most of the show is us talking about that. Yeah.

But it's a balance because you've got to go to work and you've got to provide, but then you're away. And then I think it's harder at the start as well. It depends on how involved you are where if your wife's doing or partners doing loads of breastfeeding and you can't physically. see your kids more than if you were still a stockbroker? 100%. Yeah.

That's the way you've got. It's just you see them at weird times. You're right. I definitely see my kids more than I would have if I worked in a normal 9 to 5. But there'll be periods where I don't see them. I went to Australia. I didn't see him for like three and a half weeks and stuff like that. But then I will have, I had three whole weeks off of them over Christmas.

You know what though? I didn't think about it from that perspective because I'm, okay, I've always worked for myself and always like just, I've been a career woman in my whole life. Not every woman is a career. Some women are more, you know, I want to stay at home and look after the kids. and that's also a career as far as I'm concerned. But there's just different types of women. But I feel like as men, I forget that you guys are kind of expected to be like hunter gatherers

and go out and like provide essentially. So you're always going to have that guilt. I didn't actually think about that. Well, it's what you also say about postpart on women like. Yeah. I think I've got much more, was it laser focused you said? I've got a much more approach to work that it's based on like, okay, I've got to do it.

You know, you used to, before kids you'd be like, oh, I'll do a gig. Oh, I haven't really done any. thought on it, oh, who cares, I'll just do another one tomorrow, new material gig. But now I'm like, right, I've got to get this tour ready in as sharp a way as possible. Or I've got to, I'll do this TV show because it's three weeks and it, do, do you know, and it's much, where your life feels much more like, I work and then I. 100%.

I think we've got a bit, like, we're obviously like self-employed, so it's like, I'm now having me, if I have a meeting, it's about a new, like TV show, for example, I had a meeting this week, that TV show. And then I was thinking about this, think about that. And what I used to do is go, yeah, sounds great, yeah, and be really malleable and go along with whatever they're saying, because I think, I need to work and stuff like that. But now I'm a point going, well, no, actually, this is the only way this will work is if we do it in that time period,

this place and do that. It doesn't. I shake you around. You go that way. I'll go this way. I'll go that way. It just makes you a little bit more like knowing what you want. I know.

I feel away. I'll focus to know what we're doing. I can't believe it. I can't understand how this happened. When did we become? I feel like I'm 17. I know. When did this happen?

But do you think that's our generation? Do you think we feel more like our parents felt older than we are? Yes. Yes. Like my sister is 42 and I feel like... That's how old I am. See, okay, 42 is the perfect example. Kim Kardashian is in her mid-40s. Is she?

Yes. Yeah, but most of her face is new. I won't speak on it. I love Kim. I do too. I think she's wealthy. You've got to say if you did a DNA, To be fair, after the heads, three years old.

True. However, I have this theory, like, it's the Kim Kardashian theory, right? She's like the equator for me. We've seen her mum. She looks about 32 now. This is my thing. So if she is in her mid-40s, if you're younger than Kim, then you're fine. Yeah. Yes.

Do you see what I mean? Yeah. Don't you feel better? Yeah, I do feel better. I wasn't feeling bad in the first place. You're not feeling bad and now I'm feeling good again. I feel great. Because what women were growing up, right?

I mean my dad and granddad's when they were 60. basically you retired from work you sat in your chair watch the telling waiting to die it's crazy especially with like medicine stuff people living for much longer and we all know

I can't my job is like honestly I'll be in the cinema and an idea will come into a song a whole song comes into my head when people say an idea for a song I'm telling you is that a melody or is that a lyric?

Everything it can be melody because I'm a producer as well so because I produce I get all kinds of ideas I need a fucking dictaphone quick Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm in the cinema. I was literally in the cinema the other day with Tommy watching knives out. Yeah.

And all he heard was, uh-huh, hoo-huh. No, you're not doing it in the cinema. I was singing in the cinema. By the time I go to the toilet, the idea's gone. You have to record it.

It was a whole song. Jury's out on that. It was a whole song. He woke up with the riff in his head. Oh, my God. Keith Richards was in satisfaction. He woke up with his head. He was like, what's that?

Worked it out on guitar, played it into Dickham. That's a little. how it happened. Fell back to sleep and then he woke him in the morning. He was like, what's that? That is how it happens. I promise you. I had an idea for, there's a song for Jess Glynn that I did.

Not Jetsu. No, no, not the, Jetsu. No, that wasn't me. That was not me. But yeah, no, I'll be there. I had the whole chorus. Oh, that's a shit. You wrote that.

It just happens. Yeah, I did. So it just comes to you. Yeah, and then it went to number one. And every single time I do that, it goes to number one. It's weird. Where does that come in? Yeah, I promise you.

Where do you believe that comes from? Well, I'm Christians. I know it comes from God for me. But a lot of people would say, you know, it just comes from a special place or I don't know. But it is a very magical feeling. Have you read Rick Rubin's book about? No, and I need to read this book.

That's quite like, he's kind of like the songs will come to you and that will happen. There's a book called The Big Magic as well, which kind of speaks about stuff like that with all creativity, how it just comes to you. I think it's called the Bible. You said you're Christian, but I don't want to. The Bible also will tell you. all the things you need to know. But it's so sad for me as well.

There's been so many moments in studios where like, okay, so we're in a session now and we're about to wrap up, right? I always get ideas right when we're about to go. Right. And I've had that happen so many times and I'm like, guys, stop, we've got to put this down. And that will be the song that goes on. Have those songs?

It's horrible. Have those songs coming to your head in a certain, did they ever come to it a certain time of year that you've reflected on? Or is it just random? Just random. There's nothing you can do to go. this makes it happen. No.

It's like, have you seen that film What Women Want with Mel Gibson? Yeah. It's exactly like that. So you fell in the bath with a hairdry? No. Not that part. Everything is got that big.

Have you always had that? I have. Can you train yourself? Like, have you got better at that? I think I've got better at it. Do you know what's amazing? I've done it so many times. It's so amazing.

It's so exciting to hear someone talk about this when they've literally got the back catalog proof. Okay. Yeah. Because it sounds a bit like, especially in the UK, people don't like sort of, backing themselves a bit.

I don't get that over here. But all these number ones you've had, you're not making it up. But also, I'm not going to use that as hard, because that's another thing. I'm not going to act like what I'm doing is fucking rocket science. It's me going,

and then just like, that's it. You're actually the US being lead from the universe to the... Yeah, it's fun. It's fun. That is my thing. I think people make the music stuff really serious.

And I'm like, at the end of the day, guys, we are in a studio. I probably just had a bunch of delivery and we're all sitting in chatting shit and we've written a song. It's not. that deep. There was a producer.

Let's get you're good at it now. Maybe I'm sorry. It might be a bit of it. There was a music producer that his son was at nursery with my daughter. Oh. And he was so unassuming and nice. And I thought, oh, is that one of the tricks of being a producer? Is that basically you're making people feel comfortable.

Yeah. Because I imagine it's like, come on, guys. Let's hit it. But it's not like that at all. It can be like that sometimes. Can it? Yeah. Sometimes I can.

What are you like? I can be a bit of both. I'm definitely, as I said, I'm an empath. I'm really good at getting stories out of people. Right. I like to eat food. That's a really big part of my studio session. You got that from the Chinese buffet?

Yeah, definitely, I think. Do you find yourself in a situation where random people just come up to you? You're like a magnet to random people. Yeah, I am. People tell me secrets all the time. And I really eavesdrop a lot. Like, I'm always listening to staff. That's how I get a lot of my ideas.

I get a lot of my ideas from Love Island. Love Island is like the best thing to watch for song ideas. It's like watching in real time. Because it's just like sort of heart. You sort of like unfiltered. Yeah. Emotion. Emotion coming straight out in young, impressionable people.

In really, really kind of like my mood. Because actually audience really, isn't it? Yeah, exactly. Kathy Burke said to me that she says to all young actors watch reality TV because that's how people actually act. 100 such good advice. That is why. Don't watch drama. Yeah.

Watch reality TV because that's what you should be performing. Yeah, you should. 100%. I love it. I'm just really nosy though and I stalk people a lot online. Do you? Yeah. And it's all filtering in and it's all soaking up.

You have to. If I'm working with an artist, I stalk them. Do you? Do you? Do you? Do you? I need to know about you. So you'll go, I'm working with Ray.

Yeah. I'll go back through our Instagrams and then will you drop, will you go, I thought your holiday in 2022 looks a bit shabby. He'll only say that at a two-star hotel, didn't you? No, no. I mean, like, more in a way to kind of understand their life. Like, I'll check, you know, daily mail where they've been stumbling out of or things like that. Like, I want to just know about them on a deeper level. And then when they start talking about stuff, then I can kind of bring up bits and bobs.

So if you're trying to write a song, can you sit down and write one in a room? Yeah. But will it be as good as one that just comes? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's two ways you can put them together. Lots of different ways to write a song. Which one do you enjoy more? I think I prefer the ones where they just can.

because it's just a lot easier. Like sometimes honestly sitting in crafts in a song is, oh, for fuck sake. How long is this going to take? And is that more like a maths equation that you're doing, like you said.

Yeah, but you know what it is? You can always tell when a chorus you have isn't good enough. Right. Do you know what I mean? You can. 100%. Like, I'm trying to give you an example.

Okay. When I, okay, when we wrote solo for Clean Bandits, do you remember that song? Yeah. I think the chorus initially went, I want to, uh,

do, I did, crack a guy a, uh-uh-uh-touch but it just wasn't right. I liked it. Did you like that?

I was like that would do. That was not it. Plug off guys. It wasn't good enough and then we went and went and went and went and went and went to we got,

I'm on a broken hardy crack, crack, but I like to party like that took us. That is better actually. It's better in it. You're wrong, Josh.

Yeah, I was wrong. This is the thing is sometimes just doing that. I remember when they did that Cortina advert for that phone. Oh my God. That was a bit mistake, I have written a lot of songs

that. They're really annoying, though. I'm so sorry. I'm responsible. I like little advert jingles. I don't write advert jingles, but I tend to, I've written a lot of songs that get taken. Yeah.

And become really annoying for people. Then I'll tell you what I've done. Okay. One that I did that is really annoying is, do-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. I know that one. What's that from? Sacks by Float East.

Shout out, Flora. I love you, but that song was all over the TV on Christmas. Yeah. Do you think should be the new host of Strictly? I really hope she will. Yeah. I love Flores. See you in the running for that?

Yeah, because she hosts... Yeah, the after show. Yeah, it takes two. Oh, I would love that for her. Please. She'd look amazing as well in the... She would. It's all about the outfit each week to the presenter.

They're lovelyest person and a mum as well. So she gets it. I like that you're trying to bring it back to the topic even if we're not. Are your kids musical? Because they've come from a double musical... I know. They are so musical. T.J. is obsessed with Michael Jackson.

obsessed with Queen I think he's really He's two Does he like music or dead people? I'm done with you I cannot deal Do you know what it is I feel like it's my responsibility

To teach him Stop it All the important Like gods of music That's one job I have as a parent Especially with artists That have passed After getting them to sleep

They need to understand The gods of music So they can Imagine your child Didn't know who Freddie Mercury was Like that's a crime. Yeah. So I feel like I have to do that and breathe it into them.

So who are the top five gods? Okay. So I'm not going to answer that question because it's very, very, very controversial. I'll just give me a list of the gods, some gods. Okay, some gods. Okay. All right. Queen, obviously.

Yeah. Michael Jackson. Yeah. Yeah. Beyonce. Yeah. Oh, there's so many. Beatles?

Beatles, of course. Sting. Sharday. Like, I was playing. Sting and Sharday. I was playing. How dare you? Sting.

Police. Police? Are you serious? Okay, George Michael? Oh, he's good. Okay. What's the difference? You're going to fight between George and Sting? I've taken George over Sting. Are you? I think it's because I think of him as a bit too bendy and sexy. Okay.

I feel like him shagging's overshone the music. Okay. Do you know what I mean? Because he was well into that, and I feel like anyone that... I think, I think Sting the police, I buy. Yeah. And George Michael and Wham I buy. Right.

Not so fond of the solo stuff. I love the song. I just think, look, don't get me wrong. I don't mind. sex but I'm not bothered about all the hands. From a musician point of view, I thought George Michael, I didn't, I've stopped listening. It's just, it's like he's just getting worse and worse

of the episodes going on. It's really, really unhinged now. It's because he knows he's getting a rise out of it. I know, I know, I know. I like the guest to start with their arms crossed and finish with their arms crossed. I know. We've literally come through so many emotions together in this episode.

Oh, go on. Doesn't matter. next question next question are you going to be leaving instruments around for them to ply there's so instruments everywhere all over the house so we have the music room where I work

there's like piano and TJ goes and then go bum bum bum pooh mama is it's good plum plum and I go yes baby and that's the one that's going to work at NASA yeah yeah same child and then Tari my daughter

she's got like this little baby keyboard thing and there's drums and my house is so noisy Like between that and the growling and it's just, it's a lot. It's so noisy in my house. And then on like the iPod and the iPod, on the, what's the thing in the HomePod, the Apple Home Pod thing, where you can just connect your phone. There's always some kind of music playing in the house. The speaker, the Bluetooth speaker. Have you played them your own music?

Yeah, I have actually. T.J really likes my songs, but some songs he really hates of mine, yeah. Would you prefer writing them for people or going out and doing them yourself and doing your own thing? Because you've sort of had, you've straddled both. I think I like a bit of both. I think for me it's been a lot harder because I've just struggled to kind of find my direction. I think it's a curse of a songwriter actually

because I can write so many different genres. I'm like, who am I? Do you know what I mean? I'm giving myself that grace. Yeah. Because I think in this industry, everyone's like, you have to be this and you have to be that. And I'm like, I don't give a fuck.

I just want to make some music that's fun and enjoy it. We spoke to her thought was amazing with Gabrielle. Oh my God. Who's incredible. Yeah. Also, the way she spoke about, she had like a career break for a kids and then came back again and very much did it on her own terms.

Yeah, 100%. And I think it really resonates more than sometimes, especially in music, it's a bit of a kickball and scramble of like, you're 78, album, album, album, get this, let me do that. It's so stupid. You know, when you look at like Lewis Capaldi and the pressure he's put on himself and how much it's affected him, it's like, and he's so talented, but it's so much pressure. It is really, that's the hardest bit, I think once you've, because the best bit is in the studio when you're just making the magic. Yeah. That's the best bit. It's like a bubble.

And you're not thinking about how it's going to get out there. And then some stupid person comes and goes, oh, I don't think that's going to work on radio. Welcome to be a comedian on TV. Is that what happens with you guys? It's not the same as music because you can go out and say whatever you want at a comedy club and do your shows. But what I mean is like there's just that

there's lots of layers. Like gatekeeping? Yeah, but I think it's going to change. I think music can be slightly different but they're like, especially within comedy and like TV with podcasts and stuff like that people are cutting straight through. And I think eventually with music,

I think Ray's gone on her own now, isn't she? She's on a friend of. Yeah. I feel like that's honestly, new, that should be the new thing though, is just to do it your own way. I think a lot of stuff, people talk about like, like, industry plants and stuff like that, where someone is decided by record label, they're going to be big. Before you know it, like, you know, I don't want to name names because I'm fair on the artist,

but there's an artist that comes into my algorithm when I listen to music. I've never said this person's name about. It's always. I've never searched this person. I think it's good and bad. I think sometimes it's good because it can help you discover someone, you even realize, but then obviously, you don't want to be fed the same thing. So I think I blame the algorithm for something.

stuff like that. Yeah. Because I feel like, even sometimes when I'm on TikTok and I'm like, why am I seeing this same thing all the time? But then if it was me in my video, I wouldn't complain. So. No, cool. But I do think there's going to be a counter, you know, there's going to be that punky

movement where people go, no one else knows about this person. I want to like them. That's definitely happening. And it'll come through sort of like TikTok off their own back, not pushed by it. Even just the way now, like, TikTok is the place for music to break. Yeah. Which is just such a different world for me. Also old songs to then go to number one after four years because it's got caught in it.

Yeah. But then I love it. A lot of people don't like the fact that TikTok breaks music, but I actually love it. I think it's good. I think it's so good. Because a lot of people are like, why am I having to, a lot of artists feel like they have to go on TikTok and like do this performance of shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And make content.

Like a lot of artists like, why are we having to make content when we're musicians? But it's part of the job now. Yeah. Yeah. It's only the equivalent of having to go on top of the pops. 100%. It's the new norm. It's the new thing.

It's the new thing. Like Oasis, right? Yeah. through with that. But if Oasis came out now, they'd be all over TikTok. It wouldn't be Noel going, hi, guys. I'm going to make some dinner. That's so true. Do you guys have to do that content? What do you feel like? What do you think this is?

There's four cameras staring us out. I mean, like, I was trying to do. Okay, so I was having a podcast. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think you feel like you have to do bits. For more money, yeah. No. No. Like, I, you feel like you have to do social media and stuff. But also you have to do it in your own voice. awareness to sell tickets.

Oh, okay. You could come off social media, but it's basically the way of, it's the news feed for your fans. I can't enjoy it as well. Sometimes doing social media in the right way. Yeah, because it's fun. But it's easy for comedians because we're just trying to show off our personalities, essentially. It's hard to be a musician. You could be a musician in the 90s or the 80s or the 2000s.

You didn't need to have a personality. I know. And also you won't see. Nothing to it, wasn't it. Yeah. You also weren't seeing. other musicians are doing. I always say that Michael Jackson

wasn't watching what Stevie Wonder was doing every day. It really, that was throwing off your game. Stevie Wonder certainly wasn't watching what Michael Jackson was doing

every day. I fell into that one. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. That was my fault. I fell in. But you know what I mean?

I just feel like musicians are constantly thrown off their game which is just, yes, it's not easy. It's hard. Do we do the final question?

Yeah. No, is it the final question? It's the end. I want to say it all day. I'm enjoying it so much. Anything you want to plug? Any music coming out of the next big show?

It's time for my shameless plug. We use it as a jingle. It's time for my shameless plug. It really does just come to you, doesn't it? Yeah, it does. So I'm Camille. Go and follow me now on all my socials. Every single one.

I want you to find them all. Then I want you to go and stream all my music. I have songs on Spotify, this very app that you might be watching this podcast. Oh, this is good. Then I want you to go and listen back to all historical forms of information and songs from me. Then I would like you to get prepared because I have new music coming. By the time this is out, hopefully my management would have coordinated this to drop it at the same time.

Something coming. I don't know what it is yet, but at the minimum of a choosing which song is going to be. Love you guys. End of the shameless plague. Amazing. So the last question. And it is sad because this has been a joy. Has it really?

It has. I feel like, can I apologise for certain interjections that I was proud of? And I didn't want to upset you, but it's part of my job. You wouldn't be you if you didn't do that. I was waiting. I was ready for it. So what one thing does your partner do that makes you as a parent that makes you go, what an incredible partner.

So glad he's with me as the father to my children. And what one thing annoys you that you haven't brought up, but worry to listen to this. And crucially get this. far through. Oh my God. All right. Let me do the first part. You might have to remind me about the second about that question. I forgot in it already. Right. The first part, the thing

that Tommy does, I did think about this. There's many things he does. But for me, he is like a janitor in our house. So, all the alarms are set. When I go to bed, all I hear is and everything. It's like Fort Knox.

Yeah. Okay. He takes out all the bins. Now, I am quite an, I don't mind taking bins out. I'm happy to go in the rain and take the bins out. I was sweeping maggots the other day. Like I get down, okay? Yeah. But he will take out the bins. Like no questions asked. Okay. In the rain. The third thing

he does for me is he arranges all the car seat things. Yeah. Which are extremely annoying. It sounds like a wonderful member of stuff. Car seats. Car seat phalanchees. I called them philanges. Yeah, the car seats are. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We women don't want to do because we have nails. We have things to think. To a car seat, phalanjee?

All the phalanges, the magical phalangees. It goes behind the car seat. What's they called the little thing? You slide it into locking in. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The phalanjis. He does all of that. Yes.

I just turn up to the car and it's phalangeed. Yeah. Okay. Tommy is just incredible and he does this every single time and he still opens the door for me. Oh. When we get into the car, he opens my door in the rain. Oh, wow. I love him so much.

And I think the number one thing he does that I love the most is even when I honestly really do look like shit sometimes, he still finds me very attractive and sexy. And I think that's really cute. I know he's lying, but sometimes he's like, he look beautiful, baby. I'm like, so I love him so much. And what's the thing that annoys you? He does things so slowly. Oh my gosh.

If I ask Tommy, Tommy, can you just go and get the thing from over there? Can you go and get the baby bottle from over there? The baby's crying. She needs it right now. Can you get the baby? All right. 10 fucking years later. He just does things in his own time.

Yeah, yeah. Tommy, I know if you listen to this. Don't be angry, but it's true. He's just very slow. I've loved it. Thank you so much for coming in. I thought, did we talk enough about parenting? Yeah, we never do.

We never do. Okay, fine. That's the end of every interview. We touched. We touched on it. We're parents. They're still alive. Yeah, it's good at you.

She was talking about the sleeping thing and Bridgeton, that was a really good parenting bit. Yeah, okay, good, thank you. Yeah, okay, good, thank you. We talked about the music with your kids. Yeah. Yeah. It's a good summary. How the births?

My births were wild. Is this, let's do that. That's wild, y'all. Okay. Now, I wanted an effigural. Yeah. I didn't get my epidural both times because my body rejected it. It just did not want, for some reason.

It didn't work. It didn't work both times. Oh my God. times I've dilated in like an hour. So basically both times, I wanted to have a nice, you know, water birth. Yeah. I ended up like having the baby the minute I got into the hospital. Oh my God.

I might as well have had the baby in a bush. I had no pain relief. Yeah. I had nothing. Oh wow. Both times. Both times that happened. And the second time it happened, I said to the midwives, guys, I'm going to, I'm going

to give birth in a minute. So I need death of drill now. Please, please, please. Oh no. It's fine. Go take a walk. Go take a walk. They're like to go for a walk.

They told me to walk. walk down the fucking corridor and come back. I'm not going to make it to the corridor, babe. I'm not. And I didn't. Baby came out. And I might have had them in a bush. It just really upsets me. I should have them in the garden. I should have done it at home. You should just do it at home. Back to the Lambe.

I literally, oh. Not with those seats. Not with the phalanjys all over the shop. Did you guys have nice births? Not you personally, obviously. No, we had an emergency caesarean. You had an emergency Followed by a caesarian because they didn't want to go again on the gamble.

I understand. So that was a lot. Actually, the second one. Yeah. I mean, the first one was horrific because it's like being in a medical drama. It is horrible. Yeah. And then the second one was the most relaxing experience in history.

Music? Yeah, they just put on magic radio. And they were like, literally like, so are you going anywhere? I'm like chatting about the holidays. It was unbelievable. The difference in atmosphere between the two of them. Wow. Do you feel like that's affected?

Are your children, did you find that their start in life was slightly different? Well, I don't know because I had nothing to compare it to. I heard this thing yesterday, not yesterday. Last week that it affects your personality. Apparently, that's what I was asking. I need to look more into that. I was born in a corridor. Says it all.

They explained so much. Perfect then. Were you really? Yeah. Wow. There was no beds. Wow. Bang me out in the corridor at 5 o'clock.

Are you serious? Up and out, ready the guy. Yeah. Guys, I'm going home. All right. This has been so loved. First time I get to have ended at us. Thanks coming in.

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