Parenting Hell with Rob Beckett and Josh Widdicombe - S12 EP26: Jamie Laing

Episode Date: April 3, 2026

Joining us this episode to discuss the highs and lows of parenting (and life) it's the brilliant presenter and entrepeneur - Jamie Laing. Raising Chelsea is available to watch now on Disney+  The three-part series follows them as they become parents for the first time. Offering their most intimate look yet at life behind the scenes, following the couple as they navigate one of the biggest milestones in any relationship: the journey to becoming parents. The series explores their pregnancy story alongside the realities of living in the public eye, balancing business ventures, and navigating the changes in their relationship as they become parents. Parenting Hell is available to watch on Spotify every Tuesday and Friday. Please subscribe and leave a rating and review you filthy street dogs... xxx If you want to get in touch with the show with any correspondence, kids intro audio clips, small business shout outs, and more.... here's how: EMAIL: [e-mail] Follow us on instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@parentinghell⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Sales, advertising, and general enquiries: [e-mail] A 'Keep It Light Media' Production  (Copyright 2026) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, you're listening to Parenting Hell with... Can you say Rob Beck, Alexander? Not back. And can you say Josh Whittaker? Can I say something? This isn't about that. Okay. I was just thinking it.

We're visualised now, and that's not a fucking plug for visualization. It just is. We film this as well as audio recording. I don't watch it, so I'm not going to try and make you watch it. No, no. I sometimes go on. Spotify to see what the chapters are called. Michael, quick question, do you name them or is that AI?

That's AI. Because AI is really giving you a lot of shit at the moment. Me? Yeah. And the last one he did, at time recording, Spotify called what you did at the end. And I thought it was bang out of order, actually. Top-level comedy.

But AI, you can't really argue with AI because it's going based off its interpretation. You can argue with AI. Of what it said. But the chapters, Josh's lingering grumbles. which is quite loaded because he's already mentioned this in the show but he's come back again for seconds. It seems like AI's bored of me.

You've made AI feel human and experienced bored. Yeah. Lingering. Is that the moment AI became sent to him? Anyway, what I was saying. AI's gone, I can't believe he's still sleeping on the floor. Yeah. Is we've, you know, we're a megaport.

we're visualised yeah okay you're yeah we're in the process of somehow clearing our studio legally so that we can move out of Spotify yeah but we're still here but I'm still if you're watching this going this is meant to be one of the biggest pods around yeah it starts with me holding my phone up to a microphone there's got to be a better way around this I don't know I think it's fine I think look just because it's visualised don't mean it needs to be a nice visual

oh thank God for that it's not like look look No one wants it squeaky, clean. It's not shot like a TV show. This is shot like a podcast that needs to be filmed, which I prefer. Hi, guys, big fan of your podcast in our family. This is an audio of Xander who is two years and two months old from Nicholas in France. Oh, celibé de lavoire. Cillebizue.

Yeah. What does that mean? I was going to say some French words. Didn't know any, so just tried to make some. Which is your language at school? English. Barely. No, we did French and Spanish, but when I, considering that at my school, I'd say I was mid-level.

Yeah. You're really wasting time trying to teach that sort of level of people, French and Spanish. I had a teacher in year seven that didn't like me in French. Didn't like you in French, but liked you in English? He didn't like me in any language. Right. I don't think this is a brag to say. I was in a lot of the, I was either in the top group of the one below for most things.

I was the worst in the top group or the best in the next group. A championship playoffs versus relegation candidate. That's where I was. Where I was sort of not the worst, but the one above the worst. Yeah. And weirdly, set one in French. Well, I had the opposite. Okay.

I was league two in French because this one guy. I got relegated to league two. And you wouldn't have been lugan. And you know what they say about the conference? It's a difficult league to get out of. You can't take the ball down and play. No. So I was stuck in the bottom.

thinking this is not where I... Look at the other subject. Why would I be this much worse than French? But I can't get out of this situation. Did you do Spanish as well or just French? We did French and German and then we did French. I like Spanish. I'm okay at Spanish actually. Tengal Harbour it.

Yeah. I'm hungry. There you go. I have hunger. You have hunger. Today I have a hunger for candy kittens. Do you think Jamie Lang will bring us some sweets? So we've got Jamie Lang in.

Now I love... This is, I love Jamie Lang. He is. He is one of the nicest man. You'll meet, not just in television, but generally, if you get to meet him, he's a sweet guy. Lovely guy, very charismatic, very energetic, very buzzy, full of energy. And I remember him years ago on an hour of ten cats when he was like trying to break away from Made in Chelsea. And he wanted to be a TV presenter at that point.

But then there weren't many opportunities for sort of a posh. Host or Radio One as well, isn't he? I don't know if he still does it. But now he's become this sort of multifaceted. he makes sweets he makes sweets he's got a sweet company and he's done a podcast with his wife Sophie called Nearly Weds when they were getting

married won't it? I don't know she kept changing name of it now he's doing a reality show because he's had a child which we're going to talk about obviously because his parenting now he's doing a reality show with his wife Sophie on Disney Plus which is like a mum and dad reality show following them about

yeah can I say his granddad invented McVees and his granddad invented the digestive Mike, the thing I want to ask him is, mate, you're so rich. Why the fuck are you doing any of this? I really want you to ask him that. Because I want to know. Yeah.

Because I get that, you know, I love podcasting and comedy, and I think I'll always do it. But, like, does he love doing reality TV? Maybe he loves doing reality TV. Yeah. And that's what I'll, you know. When you and Lou do that reality TV show? The only way me and Lou do a reality TV show is if it's just absolutely astronomical numbers that we cannot say no to. When's the announcement?

What's the number? Wednesday, the announcement that it's... Ends with a nine. Oh? That's high, isn't it? 99. You know, when people go sign a six-figure deal? Oh, yeah, it takes me so long to work it out.

That's because we weren't in terms. We weren't quite top of the top. Well, I'm like, I don't know. How many owes it? Is that counting the point O-O-F-P? No, it's not counting the point of P. It's never counting the point. When if someone goes, yeah, just sign a new eight-figure deal?

No, 1,000 pounds and 74 pence would, I suppose, be a six-figure deal. but yeah so a seven figure deal is a million a million or up to nine million nine hundred 99, so it's between one million and basically ten million eight figure deals ten million no that's a seven figure deal seven figure deal seven figure deals a million seven figures deal is a million eight figures deals ten yeah so I want a nine figure deal to do a reality show about my life and I'll do it yeah okay actually I'll take the eighth I mean, you could probably twist me arm on the seven.

Do you worry it's going to step on the toes of this? What, if we do a reality show? When you do your inevitable reality show with Lou? The other day, though, I did think this would be, like, Lou all just so much stuff. I was, I was at a neighbour's trying to collect it, and that's not trying to collect it. A lady was turned up to give Lou a massage.

Don't do your fucking TV pitch here. No, but Lou never tells people, there's a bit awkward parking in where we live. Lou never tells them how to park, she finds it awkward, so that then people are trying to turn up and can't get around, Anyway, long story short, I'm trying to tell people where to reverse and where to go. I've got loads of packages that I've picked up from the neighbours.

And as I'm walking, a DHL man turns up and the Akado shop. And as I turn around, my trousers fall down. Oh, here we go. And I was like, this is the open. This is the only thing. Where the hell of the cameraman? And women. But I'm not demanding women to see me naked.

No, of course. I'm just saying women should hold cameras as well as men. Exactly. What do you want to ask, Jamie Lang? I do want to ask more about his granddad inventing the digestive. That's family. from the outside, he seemed really locked in on business and business is his main drive. How is he going to balance that out the family knife?

Because most people know that something's going to have to take it here. Is he looking to carrying the family tradition of sending it off to boarding school? Oh, that's a good question. Thank you. Did he go to boarding school? I regret saying sending it off. I was trying to add a bit of cut of here for me. Did he go to boarding school?

Oh, I'd imagine so. Let's get him in. Joby. How are you? Fucking how I'm so tired. Are you? Yeah. Well, save it.

Let's just let Michael close the door. How are you? It's fucking mental. It's fucking mental. How old are you mental? How have you done this for? Do you look good? Feel shite.

Do you want to drink or anything? Have you got a drink? I have like a cognate. That's what you start drinking like when you know. Just a little red wine. Oh my god. How was your child? How was my child?

My child is 12 weeks. Oh, fucking out, mate. Guys, it's like the most intense thing I've ever experienced. Like, it's so, the way, like, how long have you guys done this for? How all your kids? 10 years, so. Eight years.

It gets easier. And anyone that tells you it doesn't get easier is insane, because I would not trade the position you're in for the position I'm in. No, it gets easier, but your body and mind become a wreck. So it's easier, but I'm going to say wrecked. No, no, no. It's easier, but you're just, by 10 years, you feel like, you know. It's mad. It's mad.

Like, someone, I don't know who said this. Someone showed me to it with some guy calling it a Ponzi scheme where they're literally like, come on, come do it. And then you're doing it. And they're like, what is it? So what's the main challenge at the moment for you that you're finding difficult? So Ziggy.

Nice. Nice, great, good name. Ziggy. What is he a cavapoo? Yeah, he's a cavapoo. So many dollars. It's not wild. It's just we're in the stage now where he, I think he's got a little bit of regression, is it called?

So he's not sleeping as well. Yeah, they get into a routine and that changes as they develop. Yeah, it's crazy. And it's like, it's also, if I had realised when I was a kid, like how much power, I would have been like a complete dictator. I would like, it's just crazy and he's not really sleeping that much and you're up. This is our routine. We have a little bit of routine. Yeah. you feed at 7 p.m. Then he goes to bed.

Feed at 6.30, then he goes to bed at 7. Yeah. Then he's up at 11 p.m. for another feed. Yeah. Then he goes. So are you staying up for those four hours? Yeah, sometimes I do. Which is such a breastfed or bottle feed.

Or both. Breast fed until recently, now he feeds just on candycats. Yeah. That might be what's doing the sleep. Warm and seven hours. Yeah. It's feeding him that. That's good for kids, isn't it?

And so now he's breastfed, now he's bottle fed. And then we do another one, 11. Yeah. Sometimes I stay up for it, which is a really rogue decision. Yeah. Because it's like nine o'clock. I'm like, am I really going to sleep for these next two hours? Yeah.

Then he goes to sleep again. Then he wakes up at like two or three. Yeah. Then it's another feed. Yep. And are you waking up then? Yeah, yeah. Out of a...

Both together for every feed. Mm. Good man. Because I wouldn't, but I feel guilty. I feel bad if I do. Yeah, yeah. But that's how they, in the olden day, that wasn't happening but you're a you're a good modern man Jamie do you not

tempted to split it and go well I'll do 11 and 2 and then Sophie does the next one after 2 rather you both doing it together the next month after 2 is 7 yes and then she gets a full night sleep but then I'm up at 7 anyway yeah no but I'm saying rather you both be in there doing one job yeah I get yeah I don't but sometimes there's moral support Rob yeah I know that but you it sounds like no offence he looks absolutely fucking devastated a man. It looks like just come back from the fucking front line.

Oh my God. And then I saw, Rob, I saw your Instagram post. This is just before I think I had kids. Or just after I had kids, which was that it was something about, you know, being 10 years or whatever it is. And it was the best thing you've ever done, but the hardest thing you've ever done. And I was like, it can't be that hard.

It's so much harder than my job. Oh, yeah. It's so much harder. It's so much harder. It sounds like mental. Particularly, let's be clear, our jobs. Yeah, our job. Some people's jobs are a lot more difficult than our jobs.

Are you currently filming your show? You've got a reality show about having a baby, three parts and Disney Plus. Is that being filmed at the moment? That is great. See, that's why he's good at his job. That is so good. He finds that easier than parenting.

It was also seamless. Yeah, yeah. I wouldn't even, it was like, it's a seamless. It's just the guy having a chat with another guy. Getting a few key details in. It does get annoying actually in day to day, Rob will do that all the time. Yeah.

He'll go, how's your tour? Calling a promulie, no, I come, and then he'll do the full. The four on. How's it going, then? W.W. Josh Winnecum. Scan the QR, go for tickets.

So are you filming that now, or has that been filmed, or are you going to film it soon? What's happening? Thanks for asking, Rob. Apart from the promo reasons, obviously you've got the extra stress of most people having a baby.

Do you have to wake up the camera crew to him. Guys, they came. He wants to be in every scene. That's why he's doing the feed. Fuck off. So, Jamie's a... Look at me trying to...

Topless. Breastfeed him on my tit. You can do this. So, yeah, so we... So we shot a Disney Plus docu-series, which is a three-part series, which was following, like, Sophie and I, before she was pregnant.

Yeah. Then, so we were shooting it before. Not during getting pregnant. And then not... Well, actually, they weren't there. That's on a very different website. That's a 20-second cut, so. Not even that.

So it was before conception. And then when we were filming it, so if then fell pregnant, so they were like, oh my God, well, we should follow. And so it was kind of great for them. So then we followed all the pregnancy

and then a little bit after the pregnancy as well. And how was the pregnancy? Man, like women, like, I'm not just saying, women are amazing. I've watched Manus Fit. I know. I've seen the Louis Thruidot. I've seen the Louis Thruidot.

Do you know the first British astronaut in space was actually a woman? Yeah, Helen Sharman. Thank you. Wow. Do you want to hear another interesting fact about her? Yeah. Because I was on a show with Helen Sharman, so I Wikipediaed her. She invented the cornetto.

Really? And that's going to appeal to you, because that's right in your biz. Cornettos don't have any milk in it. Okay, I didn't know that. I was going to brought that up with her. Did you know that? the person who invented the tampon was a man. Oh, all right.

Maybe Louis Theron needs to a documentary on you, Jamie. Okay, anyway, so we were shooting this, so we shot the show, and then we fell pregnant, and then we were shooting it during Sophie being pregnant, and then we shot a bit afterwards. And I said, the pregnancy bit is kind of wild. Yeah, the personality can change due to the hormones and stuff as well, which can make the relationship a bit more testing.

Or easier. I didn't say it was better or worse Yeah Sometimes you do a test and it's an easy test Sometimes you do a test And you sort of do that test and go Is this the person I'm married That's just different types of tests

There was there was moment There were like some moments where It was firstly I just want to say It's Sophie will be listening I love you so much And she was incredible And she was amazing Just that out Michael

Don't end of that but out please But there were some moments Which are like quite hectic and I think because her body was changing and she also got something called pelvic synthesis which is where her hip bone became really sore. She also, because she's quite slender, she was heavy on the front.

So she went quite big and to the point where... Heavy on the front. Yeah, that's how she wants to be to describe it. Okay, fair enough. It's very heavy on the front. To the point, to the point that when the mornings, she couldn't get herself, I had a bed.

So I had to, we thought at one point I was going to have to drill a piece of rope into the ceiling to pull us up. And there was a lot of that, but then the real tough moments became quite testing because there were moments like

she would, I would do something wrong to piss her off. And her reaction was like zero to 100 where she would say she would say things suddenly like, I hate your parents. And I'd be like,

whoa, where's that gone from? But it was, yeah, it was wild and amazing. And the guys followed the whole process of it, which was really hard for Sof. Yeah. Because you're pregnant. Because you're signing up to a bit of a fluffy, should we have kids? We might want kids. And all of a sudden it's real and it's your first time expecting a baby and just got cameras there. And it's really scary. Did they film the birth?

Well, they weren't in for the birth, but... Go pran on your forehead. But... Not the train spot. But this is... This is Francis Port-Tra. idea we got a Francis coming we got a Francis Boudoir was it Borgreois yeah we got Francis Bougoir the train is leaving the Tamil come south we got we hires Francis Bouchoir as a cameo content content also you co-lab with him that's a

yeah yeah you've got viral yeah it's huge it's huge it was a great decision but um the We were in the, so we were in the hospital and the whole, we were trying to do it all natural and everything like that. And then, so they had to say it was emergency C-section. Yeah. Which is really quite scary. Yeah. Like, oh my God, because you already... Tickland Francis is doing it.

Prozance is there with the GoPro on. Don't give him the knife. And all his reactions. Anyway, that was quite scary. Yeah, it's awful because that's what happened to us. And it's suddenly you're in an operation and it's terrifying. But the whole thing is really scary. Yeah.

Like, because you, it's the only sort of situation where you feel completely out of control. Because you don't know, and I know a little bit about most things. Like a little bit, right? When it comes to giving birth and I know nothing. So you're standing in the room and what happened with Ziggy was there were complications and they said, look, Soif, I know you want to do it natural, but I think you're going to have to change it up. You're going to have to do an emergency C-section.

and she was so brave. I mean, it was like the most insane thing I've ever seen, like, so brave. I was in bits. And I was trying, and I had to keep, like, telling, I was like, why, my eyes? It was like, Noah's Ark. I was like, oh, my God, this is, like, actually embarrassing.

And then by the time they said, we have to do emergency C-section, to the point where you're in your scrubs in there, it's like five minutes. Yeah, yeah, it's so quick. So quick. They really take the word emergency seriously, don't there? And then our amazing...

Two your iPods out. Yeah. That isn't the fast. service from Zone 6 to the 3rd month of London and then our amazing So quick Who's the doctor What's his the doctor who does it all called?

Surgeon? No it's called the Oh right yeah yeah yeah Whenever the doctor who did it was amazing He came in listening to music To calm himself down To calm himself down Yeah he was listening to music

But he was incredible Like a footballer getting off the coach In a way game Where you were doing Jamie Lungs baby I'll give me the fucking headphones So we had that in So we were there And no one was filming it

Because we didn't want cameras in but one of the midwives who was this amazing lady incredible she picked up my phone and started recording the whole thing oh wow so she it was like it was like martin school stacey yeah yeah it was insane so film nothing so what's what angle is she getting there she's right in there it's also landscape oh it wasn't but it's not good for insta no but phillips tv it's it's insane because it's insane so what what we what was captured was like this It was G.K. Barry, wasn't it? The midwife.

It's just, whole setup. But she was filming it. So the reaction was like, it was so insane and real. Yeah. Because we didn't realize we were being filmed. Because it was someone you trust the midwife with your phone. But we didn't know she was filming it. Oh, really?

Oh, my word. And when Ziggy came out and everything's okay, and that whole bit, when you're just waiting for the cry. And how graphic was the filming? You don't see anything, but you see Ziggy being taken up through the tummy. And. Oh, my God. Yeah.

It was a lot. And then you hit a cry. Which end were you? I went down bottom end to have a look. And it was quite a lot. Because the Cesarian also, they really open up your tummy. Yeah. But we filmed, and then that's also now in the show.

Wow. God. And then how long did they film you after? Because the camera's gone now then? So the cameras are just gone. So just finished. So a good couple of months, three months. So the cameras went like two weeks ago.

Right. And is that made it easier now they've gone? or it's having a baby while being pregnant, having a baby and filming a Disney show and doing that is a lot I mean it is there a lot but also how many cameras and people are there

cameras sometimes two cameras not that many people it's very real it's like the most real thing ever and it's have you watched it we've watched all three episodes and how did you feel did it bring it back to you it's like a while ago already in a weird way because that's how I felt with having a baby

Oh, it's crazy because as soon as you, once you have the baby, it's like, you're so stuck in the trenches of just like throwing out what you're doing, making sure that your baby's alive, like not sleeping. So you're just all in this like crazy wild time. And it feels like a long time ago, but it also goes so quick. And we've watched three episodes and it's, I'm really proud of it. Like really, honestly, like really proud of it because I was really what, especially with Sof, Sophie is quite shy. And she's married some guy who is not shy. background in terms of not I mean is she as well bred as you what I mean is she what I mean um her band that invented the Bourbon um has she got performance or anything in her

background or like public facing us no so she basically she went to she came out of university she went into Newcastle came out of Newcastle and one of her friends was on the show so she So she was on, one of her friends was on Made in Chelsea. She came at a university, she went into a job, she didn't enjoy the job. And one of her friends said, why don't you come do a Made in Chelsea like season or whatever? And she was, I just don't really want to do it. I'm quite embarrassed to go and do it, but it was like, I'll go and do it. Is she made in Chelsea?

She's made in Warwickshire. Right. She's made in Warwickshire, or Cotswiles, Warwickshire Cotswales. And she went into Maine Chelsea, but really didn't like it. Didn't, she didn't, she? Was she in it much? Was she a bit, like... But that's where we mean her met.

So we met on the show. And for so many years, guys, I didn't want that to be like our story. The Made in Chelsea, too. How lame that we met on a TV show and it's made, oh my God, all that stuff. But actually, it's like our story. It's the coolest thing ever. So she came onto the show and immediately I just found her hilarious. She's so, like, authentic and real compared to everyone.

Yeah, well, your podcast together's great, which is very cutting. She's just not how she's like. And brings you back down to her for that kind of stuff. Oh, she's so down to. 100%, you know. And then. More of, if anything. More of that, please.

Lose the same with me. Absolutely just rinses me to pieces. Oh, yeah, Rob and Lou are considering doing a reality TV show. I'm not. I said I don't want to. Also, by the way, I listened to your... Wait, would you do it? No, I don't...

No, I don't know. See, this is a thing... Is it good money? How does the money? No, it's not. Well, because that's the thing you've got loads already. How much do you need it or just love the attention? What is it?

Because I'm trying to, like, earn enough money to not have to get so much attention on doing TV shows. but you've already got it. What's the motivator for you then? Do you like documenting everything? I, um... So going back, so... So the reason why I did make in Chelsea

was because, again, like Sophie, you come out of school and this opportunity comes up. How old are you? I was like 21. Oh, right, wow. And you forget that when you're 21, those decisions, like, stay with you for like a long time, right? And anyway...

Well, not if that decisions to work in waterstones. No, great. Great decision. Do that. Rob's work. Working in an office job didn't stick with it. No, they're great doesn't do that, right? Yeah. When you're 21, you do a TV show, that kind of lasts with you for a long time.

And it's hard to shake that. Everyone knows you as that person. Because what do you do to distract from that? You know, run through the desert for no reason, you know, for hours and hours, you know, stuff like that. Do like 40 marathons and 40 days. 40 marathons or whatever, Joe. It's never leaving you. That's spent on.

I know, I know. He didn't even fucking go to the desert. He just ran across Britain crying. Oh, yeah. Are you going to spend some mates or not, mate? Yeah, we're friendly now. Right, okay. We had a fallout though.

We had a fallout, though. Oh, then you met up again on podcasting because you don't know what's real deal in the paper. Yeah, and then we... I can't imagine falling out with you. What, I... That's the thing. I'll tell you that.

I'll finish this, but then I'll tell you that. So, so... So came onto the show. She didn't really like it, but me and her became, like, really close mates. And then I had just broken up with my girlfriend at the time. And we went to South Africa. together to film a bit of Maine Chelsea and she was like I'm gonna worry about leaving the show she was like I've done a series I don't really enjoy this don't know why anyone does this it's all a bit weird and when we're out to South Africa I suddenly like totally and utterly fell in love with that I can't I don't know if you got with your wives right with suddenly you meet them you're just like oh like fingers cross one day

but only hope that kind of feeling South Africa is that where we need to go get it's like the country that really brings people together Yeah, yeah. But we fell in love, like, I fell in love with her. Like, you know when you become a bit like crazy in love? Yes. I was like totally and utterly obsessed with her. Yeah. And then, uh, because we sort of, then we started like, uh,

hooking up and dating. And then she was like, I'm leaving the show. So I was like, I'm leaving the show as well. So we kind of left the show together. And we didn't really want that to be our story of like meeting on the show, but it is our story. And the reason then we do another show, even though Sophie's experience of doing being Chelsea shouldn't like that much was that this one you got more

control right more control it's not structured reality yeah that's totally because I really stitch you up on that where this is just you live in this is you lives living has structured reality no because it's still going with like real housewives and stuff so it's still a big thing isn't it's a huge thing yeah and now they got ladies of London have you watched that it's a similar to fit who's seen it but that's totally different vibes does lose love reality obsessed of she's a huge hay you fan isn't obsessed with all the hay you stuff so who what's her favourite? Which one does she love the most? Oh she's fucking, she's all of it. Rose likes

Salt Lake. There's that one as well where they go up and stay in a house at the weekends in like upstate New York somewhere. Hampton? I don't know, we know what that's called. Wait, wait, what's that one? I don't know. Is that a real housewife? That is a, hey you, real housewives, that Andy Cohen? Is it Andy Cohen? Is it Andy Cohen?

We felt like the, well, we. I'm just passing off what Rose said. The UK versions haven't flown in the same way. I don't think they've flown. Because I think the American versions, they go so... The Vanderpumps. They go so... Oh yeah, Lou loves that.

They go so hard into it that they just like, they don't care about anything. They just like, where as Brits were a bit more self-conscious of like watch say or to argue, where the Americans don't care. They're in it for one reason. And also, in America it's like Kelsey Grammar's wife, but here it's like the wife of somebody plays with Burnley.

Yes. It's not as glamorous. It's not as glamorous. So there are no caveats from Disney. They were like, we're just going to put cameras on you and just exist. Yeah, they were just like, just going to exist and do it. And the reason we did it is like, I don't know if you guys, like, ever since I was a kid, I had a video camera wherever I went. Like, I filmed everything and like I was like the era of like home alone.

How old are you? I'm 24. You're not on E4 anymore, though. I'm 37. You're 37? You guys are what, 45? So I'm 42 and he's 40. 45.

I'm 40. You're the same age as Joe Marla and I think you look so similar. To Marla? I don't know. Marla. Couple of rugby boys. So we, so I was in the era of like home alone and think, do you remember Talk Boy?

Yeah, the Talk Boy pen, was it? Yeah, the Talk Boy pen and the talk boy thing that you would like record your body. I'm not from Plymouth. How many times we've been working together for six years? Yeah, but all I'm saying is, look, to Jay-B. We had a big video camera. Yeah, but a talk boy was when you record your voice. A dictophone?

No, no. You should be journalists. Like, when you were kid, you had a talk boy. There's a talk boy pen you could get from Argos. It was a normal pen that you could press button. it would have 20 seconds to record. It's unbelievable. Yeah.

Right, so I had that thing. Eden goes from Argos. I got my from Argos. I got my from Argos. Yeah. He bought the book. Another fact for you. Everything.

Another fact for you. Yeah. It's like three ADHD people. I love it though. Sorry. I could, no, I could do this. Imagine being in the edit. Yeah, it's going to be great.

Another fact for you, the Argos catalog. Yep. Most sold. book. Here we go. You won't buy it though but you don't buy the book, do you? Most published book.

Oh wow. More than Richard Osman. More than Richard Osman. Yeah, you imagine how many they used to be crates of them. You'd walk in and be... So many of them. Anyway, that's my kind of fact.

I had a talk boy, I had a video camera and I used to record and film everything. So you love it. So I loved it. I love it. Behind the camera in front of everything. And I love the realness of like following life. Yeah.

Like I don't... I just love that. I love people. Think people are amazing. following people. I love that for other people though, but I don't know if I'd want it for me. But I think you would. Be totally honest. Let's hear me out.

Okay, Netflix come to you and they say We want... Let's be realistic. Dispatches come to you. They say, we want to do a documentary on you. Dave. Dispatches are doing a documentary on you. Would Lou love it? No, no, I don't.

I can't imagine anyone that would want it. No, I don't think so. But I don't, no, I think we'd just get stressed. But I can I ask a question about that on getting stressed. When you are having an argument, is there part of you, at what point do you go, oh, this is actually quite a good content? Well, I'm not saying you ham it up,

but you know, for instance, on here, if you broke down in tears, oh, it's good. There would be part of us thinking this is great. Yeah, yeah, it's great. So what part of you, when you're having a terrible day? I have that with this podcast. If something bad happens to me, quite swiftly, I think,

That's great for the podcast. Yeah. Yeah. It's great. So I think like that because I think like a producer, right? So when Sophie and I are having, and there's a lot of real stuff in it, right? So there are arguments, there are like upsets. There are moments which are really, like, hectic and emotional and, like, really stressful and everything's in it.

And it's sometimes... Do you go storm out of the door that's better lit? Because you think like a producer. Can you storm out again? So we get that better? I don't think anyone's finished a sentence yet. Sorry. Sorry.

Sorry. What the week? So exciting. I'm so exciting. But you know, sometimes you get a guest on that you really have to fucking go to the depths, but when you got already, mate, it's great. Oh, no, no, it's when the guest sits down. And as soon as they say hello, you're like, oh, for fuck, say this. Or you go, like, how are you saying?

They go, yeah, good. And you're like, oh, God. Oh, come on. Talk. Talk. And then you end up going, see, do you like dolphins? I have nothing else to say. Anyway, because I have a producer head on me, like sometimes, there were, when you, when we were having an argument or, you know, seeing the birth on our phone and think, well, I do afterwards, you go like, oh my God, that is actually interesting content because that's going to be in the show and that shows the real life event.

But because it was so real and so off the cuff, I wasn't really thinking that way ever. And also, during the pregnancy, if I'm totally honest, and you guys have had this, there are so many anxieties. Yeah, yeah. Man, it's like the scariest time. Did you do your run during the pregnancy? Just before. Just before? Then Sophie got pregnant.

Oh, yeah. After the run? Oh, yeah. That's the way to do it, is it? How many miles did you run? 155. I thought, can I be honest? Yeah.

You thought Sam Thompson was doing it? He did it right afterwards. I mean... I thought he did it. What is the fuck's going on? I'm in a WhatsApp group with him and Ramesh. I love that. I could probably find.

find the text, I won't, but I can't remember who it was. They said, I think Jamie Lang's going to lose a leg here. Oh man, it was the most crazy thing. So you were, I thought they're going to amputate. I'm going to lose my job on the last leg here. Guys, honestly, honestly, so what happened with that was, so, so comic relief in Radio 1 basically, Greg was meant to do it last year, so he's doing it this year, right? So he's psyching. So they came to me and said, do you want to, Greg has to drop out. Yeah. Do you want to go and do this like comic relief challenge? And in my head, I was like, okay, seems quite fun, I could do that. The problem is, don't even of you guys know it,

people think I'm like a posh idiot, right? So I was like, I don't think anyone's going to donate because they already think I'm heir to McVitties. So they'll just be like, why don't you just donate it? And the problem with being like, the supposed heir to McVitties is I get the stigma of being a billionaire's son without any of the cash. It's like a double loss.

I wish. That was true. Anyway, so they came to me and said, would you like to do this run? And I said, yeah, but it has to be really big. said, okay, what do you think you're doing? I was like, well, I did cross country at school, so I'll do a big run. And they were like, well, how far are you going to run? I was like, well, I reckon I could run to Manchester.

And they were like, okay. What was you basing that off? I just felt like I could. Fair enough. You're a vibes guy. Do you know when you hold like a stone by like a lake? Yeah. And you feel like, I could probably hit that wave.

Yeah, yeah. And you're like, you're near it. It was like, I reckon I can probably run that. Yeah. And that's what I was like. So anyway, they were like it. It's 150 odd miles, 160 miles, and it's going to take you five days to do it. Do you think you can do it?

Five? Yeah. So this was in the December, guys. So what's that 30 miles a day? No, so it was just over there. So it was 54 kilometres a day. Right. So a marathon is 42 kilometers or 44 kilometers.

So, but they told me this in the December. So then in January, on the first of January, I was like, right, got to train. This challenge is in March. And I got on chat GPT, right? And I was like, how? How long does it take you to train for an ultramarathon? He said two years. So I was like, well, I don't have it for three months.

Had it been announced? It just been announced. So I was like, I got three months to do this. I was like, okay. Did they not set you out of a training plan? Yes, but I had three months. And it was like you got to, and also just the way we are, like... Also in TV and radio, it's like, yeah, cool, you know, but...

Just do it. Yeah, you'll be fine. So I got up and I started running, I swear to you, I'd done like a 5K before that and I'd done class crudgery school. Yeah. I did one 5K. Cross country, let's go. Forget the cross country.

Fucking unbelievable. So good at cross country. Which is difficult when your school is in Chelsea. Straight down the King's Road. Pavement, terrible, goodness. The tourists everywhere. Running across Albert Bridge. Anyway, they were like, right, so we're going to do this.

So I got up and I started training, did a 5K. That was all right. Did a 10K. That was okay. I did one 25-kilometer run before. I did a 25-comber to run. It was so painful and so awful, so I'm not going to do that again. I was like, I'm just going to go naive into this.

Because if I'm naive into this run, maybe I'll do it. And they were like, okay, well, the first day is going to be fine because you don't know what it's like to do an ultramarathon. That means. Second day is going to be rubbish because you know what day one's like. Day three is going to be the worst because you're not even halfway through. Day four is going to be better. Day five, you're going to be flying.

Yes. I was like, brilliant. Every day got worse. And there was not. There was not one day where I was like, this is, brilliant. I was like, this is amazing. On day three of doing it, and I always

think, like, you need, like, the go for it, right, was always like, this is for comic relief and, like, amazing people, and I was doing it all for, like, anxiety and mental health and making, like, one from the other, like, keep moving, whenever you're in the depths of it, like, keep moving forward. And on day three, I woke up

and I was, like, exhausted, and I was like, oh, my God. And I was just, I just can't be bothered to do this anymore. I was like, why am I even doing this? I lost all energy. I was so sore. I could hardly move and I got on the radio in the morning because also doing the radio at the same time. I was doing everything. I was like, Jesus, got on the radio and honestly, you couldn't move in the morning. I was so broken. And I got on the radio and this young little sweet girl, 11 years old, had left me a voice note on the radio. So we're going to play you this voice

note. And this girl said, Jamie, you've got to keep going. I've donated my pocket money. And I was like, oh my God. And she said, if you can get through these next few days, I can get through my chemo. Oh my God. Oh my God. Yeah. And I was like, oh my God, this sweet angel and I was like, oh my God. And then suddenly the realization of like, what am I even fucking worried about? Like, you kidding

me? Like there's these like little people out there who are suffering from so many different things, so many things are going on. And whoever that little girl was, was the one that just suddenly like my whole brain switched. And I was like, well, here I go. I've got to go and do it. And right, so mentally you shifted. Mentally it just shifted to my mind. I was like, right, I've got to go and do this.

And so this little girl, whoever she was just like, got me through. But it was like, honestly, that's when I saw, that's when all the tears started going. Because you were, it's like, it's like, go. I was like, oh my God. And, you know, you guys were kids

and now I have a kid. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Can't even, like, imagine. Oh, yeah, awful. Yeah. Fuck, for that, you're piping fucking smoking. Yeah.

Would you ever do marathons? Have you ever done a marathon? So, I've been on the front of Runner's World magazine, but let's not go into that. You and Harry sales? I was the month before. Get the fuck out.

Look, I'm not saying... Can you got the cover? Can I see it? It's online. He hasn't got it on him. It's titled on his chest. Come on, show me. I want to see it on your phone. I'd say, telling someone that you're on it is better for morale than letting them see it. I want to see it.

Can you just break it down? How did that come about? Do you want to see it? Yeah, I want to see it first. And then, can you tell me how that came about? Okay. No. What do you mean? No.

Sorry, pass it here. Okay, so this is Josh. He sort of crouched down. Well, I think it's like, it looks like you've just been made a prefect. That's like the smile you're giving. And it says, the best year and the gadgets to boost recovery. That's not me. That's not me. And it says find your joy.

Yeah. Josh Whitakin, on keeping the fun in your run. Wow. I mean, David Brent, you've been brilliant. That's not a direct quote, by the way. Keeping the fun in your run. Well, they will look like it. How did that come about?

They asked me whether I'd want to be on. the car no that actually what happened jayra you got your PR person to contact no i didn't i swear on my life i didn't all right calm there yeah he's a bit aggressive he did like that don't he yeah i was having fun with running yeah jesus mate don't like what i'm laughing i'm not putting this i swear on my life i didn't i just have a joy for running i wanted to share i i swear my life i didn't i swear on my life we believe you no i don't i don't believe myself now okay yeah so we're having

You're going to tell them. They contacted me. My PR contacted me. I can read the email. We believe you. No, no. I don't have to swell your laugh or get fucking receipts out. Do we don't know we need proof, I believe?

Okay. She said, something like, would you like to do some promo in Runner's World? And you're a runner before this? Well, I run. No, I'm not a runner. Hang on, I'm so going. So Runner's World just plucks you. thought Josh Whitakam would be a great person to be on the cover?

Well, I didn't know it was the cover. I just thought it was like a little interview. So I was like, yes. And then she was like, so when should we arrange the cover shoot? And I was like, oh, fuck. This is your first cover? I think it probably is, yeah. Where'd you go from there, though?

Joggers world in a few years. And so then you did it. And then Harry Stiles is on the next month? Yeah. Pretty cool, isn't it? That's suspicious, isn't it? Can we go back to you, though, Chuck? Wait, Rob, have you ever been on a cover?

Um, I don't that I remember, maybe. I think like, you would have, you'd like, Radio Times or something? Radio Times and things that I'm not sure. Have you ever had heat torso of the week? No. Why looks at a fucking Dona Cabab. Have you had heat toss at the week?

I've had heat toss at the week. Take your t-shirt off, Joe. No, I've really, look. I had heat toss at the week once. Yeah, or maybe twice and just both times, I haven't looked. Yeah, but you've got, you're in pretty good shape, and you've always been in good shape. Yeah.

Can I ask a question about your busy schedule, now you're a dad? Yes. Because you are one of the busiest people going. You've got candy kittens, you do loads of TV work, your own podcast company. Radio One? Radio One. You're still on Radio One as well? Yeah.

Still pretending to like the music. That's tiring, isn't it? What are your, you're a big artist at the moment that you're enjoying on Radio One? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Who are you into? Man, Benson Boone? Oh, yeah, Benson Boone. Somber.

Sumber. Wet leg? Wet leg, yeah. Like, who else do I like? Olivia Rodrigo. Oh yeah. And Olivia Dean? Olivia Dean.

Oh yeah. Man, I feel, no, that's not. A shenite twine. I'm not, you're the man I need. Oh. There you go. Don't think we'll be able to clear that. Actually, it's far enough away from the original.

So you got loads going on. Because you did private parts that now, else hosts that. Yeah. And then you changed the name of your podcast with Sophie because it was Nearlyweds, newlyweds, nearly parents. Nearly parents. What was it now? Well, it's coming back, guess. Newly parents. I'm not going to say,

but you're in the right area. And when, like, potentially it changes to nearly divorced, then Divorced a head on. That's what I wanted to call it. What? I wanted to call the new version that, nearly divorced, because I thought it would be funny. Yeah. But apparently it's too negative.

Right. Yeah. Try selling that to an advertiser. Yeah. Anyway. Candy curtains. I'm going to go near it. How are you, how are you, your experience, how busy it is at the moment.

What's your plans going forward? Like, because if you have, decide to have more kids, again, that's double the trouble, triple. And then your business, it feels at the moment, you're in like your business vibe. You're really into it. You're really putting everything into it.

Yeah. So you look, how are you going to juggle it? And what's the plan? Well, I don't know. So, before, this is the thing, before you have kids, right? it's like it's already quite a lot because I know you're doing a stand-up tour

you're doing a podcast and you're creating something else and you kind of had the capacity to do it right because you're just like oh I can do all this and then you when you felt like you was a capacity before I felt like I was a capacity before but in your head you think well kid everyone has kids can't be that complicated it's going to be alright then when you have a kid it's like oh wow

it's another full-time drop but it also like bookends the day Yeah. Like before the days would be like, okay, I can kind of rest at night and then rest in the evening. Like morning and I gotta rest there. There's no fucking rest. It's like bookended with chaos. And then there's chaos in between.

I like just, Sophie is just amazing. And I just think mum's like just in general are amazing. And she's taking a lot of the weight at the moment. When we start thinking about having more kids, I just don't know how. I don't know how you juggle it all and fit it in and like how do you guys even when you go on, because you guys are on tour a lot

how do you juggle that? You just come back very late and don't see the kids it's a constant fight to get the balance right and all that 10 years of what if I do this I need to do that for the career get the money in but I'm making contradictions that where I am turning down opportunities and business ideas

to make room for his reality show no to make room for the kids and trying to take new jobs that are closer to home and things like that. So you prioritise now. You say, right, unless it's in this like structure, I'm not going to do it. But that may lead to me my career not progressing as far or as fast or as high and not as earning as much money, but I'm willing to sacrifice that slightly in order to the, but I still don't ever know if I'm making the right decision at any point because you don't

to be at home with loads of time but no money to do anything or vice versa. that money and opportunities are flying in but then the kids don't know your name. And it's also like a sudden shift. That's the worst one. Like, do you know what I mean? It's like the thought of going, I was so obsessed with reaching somewhere

that doesn't, that's this weird marker to me or doesn't matter. Yeah. Either financial or ego. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. But it's incredibly difficult because we've, the three of us

have spent all our time before we had kids on that goal on that goal thinking that's all that's happening in my life yes and then suddenly it changes it's like overnight changes and that's kind of wild yeah and it's a weird shift because then I mean I heard this like ridiculous I'd saw a clip from one of those ridiculous podcasts where it's quite hectic but there was a quote that they said in it which was which was really interesting where it was like a story of like how a successful American finds a fisherman and the fisherman is with his family and he goes out in the morning and he catches fish he comes back feeds it to his family and spends time with his family right yeah and

the American businessman says to him why don't you change that and he says well why would I do that he says well you could go out you could fish for longer collect more fish and then sell it in a market and the the fisherman says well why would I do that and the American business says well then you can sell fish in the market and you can make more money he says well why would I do that he says well then you can make more money and you can set up your own manufacturing, manufacture the fish and sell it everywhere. And he says, why would I do that? When you can set it around the

world and make loads of money? And he said, well, why would I do that? And the American businessman says, well, then you can make so much money that you can spend time with your family. He says, why am I doing that? So it's crazy that we're always, like, running towards this goal. And it's really toxic in my own head. And I think I've got a

really toxic relationship with, not that. I'm trying to control it, but I know that I've got a obsessive relationship with. work. But why is that? For what reason? I don't know. Well, I think that for all different deep personal reasons that's flit the fire up. Let's get deep for a second. What's yours? What's yours? Be honest. What is the reason do you think you strive for it? Mine was a lack of self-worth because I wasn't good at anything because a kid than at school. And that later on, I found out was a late diagnosis of dyslexia. So I'd sit there feeling useless and stupid. I found a thing I was good at naturally.

And the more I thought I'd put in, the better it got which was stand up. And that led to opportunity, respect, ego, a bit of money and then all my self-worth got wrapped up into that but it may be, I got addicted to it because I was being good and successful where everything else is shit and bad. But now it's managing that. So if

I am tired or things haven't gone wrong it will drag me back to that world to go, well, I know a little world where you're really good at and it's all going well at. You know what I mean? And then I'll get dragged back into it and then I'll convince myself, well I'll do that loads because that might bring money or security but then you don't need it as much.

But it's easy to get dragged back into it because the other thing is being sat at home with your own thoughts. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which is then makes you go mad again. Judge, what's yours? I am still trying to work it out in the sense of I haven't got as clearer

origin story in my head as Rob, if you know what I mean. But I think what I get or got and still get and trying for my career was I want to be seen. Yeah. I want to be acknowledged, I want to be like. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

All those things. I think it then changed. I had a weird thing where when I had kids, and this is something that's, I think, very dangerous to people in certainly freelance industries. Yeah. As soon as I had kids, I became incredibly terrified of it all going away.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, so I really think from when my daughter was born to maybe a couple of years ago, I was driven almost entirely by fear. because you thought it was just suddenly just going to go and you were going to wake up one day and then oh that's it I knew this was going to happen and so all of it was like

I have to do right if each job is worth this amount of money and this amount of money to never have to work again then I need to do this amount of jobs and if I could do that in five years then I need to do that many days a week all these things were going around my head all these wet like intrusive thoughts

so that drove me you know how you can think back to periods of your life and it will just give you a feeling as to how you're feeling then yeah yeah if I think back to the open mic circuit it feels exciting and it feels thrilling yeah and almost when I get onto TV that's when it starts yeah it starts to feel like you got something to lose I've got something to lose here really you don't know that guy that well you know yeah yeah because you're not in control of that almost when you're in control of the

open mic circuit it's much when you're on the open mic circuit everything is possible everything is infinite you could be Eddie Murphy yeah yeah yeah yeah you weird choice. That's what I thought when I saw you. I don't know if you could be. I can't wait a seat. Don't do not trample on my dreams, Jamie. So what's driving you?

Sorry, but yeah. But yeah, but that's it. I think similar to what you guys had as well, which, and I don't think, I don't think, like, especially men, we don't talk about that enough. Like, I think it's the fear of not being seen. Yeah. Shock, I went to boarding school at 8. Well, we know your one.

Oh yeah. Oh yeah. So you got dropped off of a boarding school eight. At eight years old, so I got dropped off. My parents didn't tell me what boarding school was. So I was just dropped off and then I was like, where have you gone? Like, and I wasn't out of phone home for two weeks. Oh my God, 80. And I was given a number. So I felt like prison. I was like, this is mad. You don't want to be forgotten. No, I don't want to be forgotten. So if you've got enough everywhere. I feel seen. That is. So I know, so mine was like not being forgotten. Fear of abandonment. And also dyslexia and like I was really good at sport. So that was, that was. That was. That was. That was. That was. was useful because I was really bad at academics, but I knew if I was at sport, I got the cheering on the sideline. So I was like, oh, I like, so I like that. So I need more cheering, because if I get the cheering, then like it.

So then growing up, I thought, well, who gets the most cheering? Or it looks like people who are famous get cheered. So I thought, well, then I was off with the reality TV show. I was like, well, that's gonna cure all my problems. Because suddenly I'm now famous, or have some sort of profile.

That's gonna make me happy. But the problem is, then you go and do a real real estate. reality show and people are more laughing at you. Yeah. And you don't realize that until my big moment was when we won the BAFTA. Right, we won the BAFTA for Made in Chelsea. And I remember getting, yeah, oh my God, here you guys. And we got onto stage and I looked into the audience.

You guys were probably there. I saw like Olivia Coleman and Idris Elber and Bennett come back and these amazing people. And they were just looking back at us like, they were just looking a bit embarrassed. And I suddenly was like, oh shit, we're not cool. And I was, I was suddenly realisation. I was like, oh my. God and I'd taken a shortcut into this industry of entertainment right which was through the back door

I had become somewhat famous for just being myself not for doing stand-up comedy or being playing music or whatever and so I was like oh my god so then it was like okay I've chosen this road into a industry which is entertainment I can't really go back on it now so I have to double down yes and then so that's when I had to double down and like try to figure out what I was doing in this industry but it's the same, like fear of losing it all, fear of being found out, fear of abandonment. And you had an extra one I've got, I can't be remembered just as the made in Chelsea guy.

So if I've got enough out there of, I've got my podcast coming, candy kittens and all this stuff. And then you never know when enough's enough. You never know when enough's enough. Because you could stop tomorrow forgetting about finances and stuff like that. You've achieved so much in your life already. Well, I think so.

But then it also now comes down to like, I don't know if you guys have this, but like with your baby, with my baby, I'm just like, guys, Like, want them to be kind of proud of you. And, like, I want them to go, that's my daddy and he does this. Torso of the week. Torso of the fucking week, man.

Run as well. Can I say something there about that? You'll be proud of you whatever, right? Because you're going to be a loving dad. My, my, my, the best thing I get from my kids is, they don't give a shit who I am. They don't go, oh, I'm so proud of you, dad, because you've done this, you. That doesn't even get spoke about. They'll say stuff like, Dad, can we play trap, which is a little game that we do.

Really? Nothing to do with the outer world. And we play together and do that. And for me, and that's our connection, that moment, where really when your unit's so strong, what else is going out there? It doesn't matter. What's trap?

Traps a little game where we lay on the floor. And they, I lay on my front, and then they get on my back. And then I pretend to wake up and have to try and grab them. And I trap them, and then they jump on. But I played it with them when they were like toddlers. Now one's 10. They're like, I'm getting choked out. It's like, you'll see.

That's amazing. school would you consider boarding school for your kids I don't know an eight years old like no I don't firstly like I there's always it's that the conversation between like boarding and non-boarding and state and private and all and like I it's like a whirlwind of a conversation I don't know I think boarding definitely not at eight you draw no freaking no because I think boarding when they're like 14 or 12 and they go can I stay at school for a couple of nights if that's the school they go to they offer that it's quite a fun experience but I think that dropping a We know a lot of people on the comedy circuit and in this industry that the whole dropping them at seven or eight.

Mental. Really hardcore. It's mad. I would never do that. But it was like wild. And you're thrown into a dorm, but it was it's what taught me those stuff. I was thrown into a dormitory of like 12 kids at eight years old, right? It was called Snoopy.

The dormitory I remember called Snoopy. But you, because you were thrown into. South Public School. Yeah. Yeah. And because it was 12 like strangers, you had to understand people to fit in. So you had to make friends to survive.

So therefore I learned communication quite quickly with lots of different people. So that's why I thought it became okay at communication. Did some people, was it a sink or swim and some people sunk? And then when I went to the older school, when I was at 12, 13, which was a different school, that was really, my first night, my first night, I'm not even kidding you, my first night at the biggest school, right?

And this is like, this is what, how many years ago? It's like 25 years ago, right? So it's a bit more old school, right? There's a lot of old school things going, this is a boys school. So the older boys ran the school. The teachers were like there, but the boys ran it. My very first night, I got dropped off

and we were called Stigs. If you were in your first year, you're called Stigs. So is this Harry Potter? Yeah, we wore gowns. Put it on the sorting hat, Gryffindor. Slythering. Anyway, it was a long corridor, and they would cut into cubicles, right?

And that's where you would sleep in this room. And my first night, my mum dropped me off at school and my dad, and my mum dropped me in my cubicle. And on the side of my bed, there was melted cheese. And someone had written in it, you will die. Oh my God. This is so hectic. Anyway, I went to bed that night, and I sleep with my arm underneath the pillow. And I went to bed and put my arm underneath the pillow.

And someone had put a lasagna. underneath. That's awful. So I came out with like a pasta glove on. I was like, what is this place? So it's quite hectic that was. Did they used to actually play soggy biscuit? I never played soggy biscuit.

Did you hear about it? I never played soggy biscuit. And that game, Josh, you don't know. I know. Of course I know what soggy biscuit is. Okay, I've been a sore on your life that you didn't. Did you not do it because you felt it was unfair on your lineage as a biscuit empire? Not on Granddad's MacVitties.

There was a story that happened because you went into like boarding houses. There was a story that happened where, and this poor guy who was such a great guy, but he never really lived it down. All this year said, we'll get into a room together. This is so weird. I can't believe I'm telling you this story. I wasn't involved, but they were like, let's get into a room together. And it's, let's play the soggy biscuit game, right? Yeah.

And the soggy biscuit game is where. where it's the last person. Anyway, so they all got into room together and turned off the lights. Anyway, they then, everyone was in it apart from one guy, and so then they turned off the lights and then 30 seconds a day flicked on the lights and they're all

sitting there fully clothed apart from one guy. Oh, God. Oh, man. It's terrible. Oh, my God. I'm sharing too much. Well, final question, Michael, is it?

Right, final question, Jamie Sorry, I'm so sorry, I've rambled so much. That's what we're looking for. No, we'll have to get a selfie back on at some point. You can come on some point again. You can come on whenever you want. It's the easiest fucking hour on my life. Okay, okay.

Pop from the accusations about me, find the runners' world. If you wanted to be a runner's world, do you want to be a runner's world? I don't want to be a runner's world. I'm still confused by it. I'm proud of it. But I'm still confused about the runner's world.

I'm still confused because they just randomly ask you, even though you're not a big runner. I think that what it was was, Ramesh, who's got the same PR as Josh, he was doing it for Teenage Cancer Trust ages ago. So I think Teenage Canst Contrust got in touch with Runners Well and said, Can you feature Rommish on the front to raise the profile of the charity? So he wore the charity of Teenage Cancer Trust top on the cover and said, I'm running for charity and it was a cover thing.

Josh went on to publicise his own tour for his self-profit. Yeah, that's okay. Which is just two different guys. Yeah, just two different people. Just to be clear with my tour, I'm keeping all of the profits. Yeah, of course. You're not going to do a Peter Kay. no

PDK gave away a lot of the latest leg of the tories doing is giving all the money wow and you've done that

Rob what's that giving the way to charity no but I have written a new joke in the last 25 years

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha right right can I can I can I can I just ask another question

before you are you are you are you each other's god parents are you god parents no we don't we don't do that

what do you do that we don't do we don't do we don't do god parents what's wrong with you Why don't you do Godparents? Well, I don't.

Let's just say hierarchy structure and inheritance and sort of nepotism is not really benefited us. So we're trying to cut that off at source as opposed to carry on the traditions. You don't have God parents? I've not been christened. And your kids don't have Godparents? No, they're not christened.

Wow. I've got a problem with it. Are you christening your kids? You're going to be disgusted with that fucking Stephen Bartlett. It'll be my godfather. Just someone connected. the industry. Rupert Murdoch is the godfoy.

Mine's going to be H.S. Tickey. No, we've not done that. Are you going to get your Christian then? Well, I might not now. If you guys haven't done it. Don't change your address.

Oh, I don't know. Are you religious? I don't really. I don't know. I do. I, I'd now pray at night. You're not. Because of the baby. Because the baby.

You're so stressed. I do. You started praying. Well, I give thanks. So now every night I'll get on my hands and he's at the bed and I'll go, thank you for keeping my wife and Zieghi happy, healthy, safe and content. Oh, that's nice. I do it every night.

That's a nice little prayer. You too. Where are they at this point? She, Sophie's in the bed and Ziggis in the cot. Oh. And you're kneeling on the floor. And I'm kneeling on the floor. Do you know he slept on the floor of his bedroom for the last, what, two years?

Six months. Six months? Why have you? Because we haven't worked done. What? And the kids keep coming in an hour. So you'll see me on the floor? Well, not bed.

Oh, like a camera bed. Anyway, final question. Okay. What's one thing about Sophie, her as a mother that she does be like, you're incredible. I'm so lucky that you are the mother of my child. And what's the one thing she does as a parent that's annoying you a little bit? But because it's quite tense at the moment, you've not brought it up. But if she was listening, she'd go, that's a fair point.

Great question. Thank you. First thing is instincts. Like just mother's instincts are just like I will question things does he like to be held like this Does he like this oh do any changes happy her instincts are just insane okay and even when Ziggy was first born and I was like worried about holding the head and like oh my god and when watching her become a mom is like the most Incredible amazing thing I've ever seen like it's just and without her It would be a shambles like a total shambles that on the flip side yeah

The one thing that she would say is fair is that she'll criticize everything I do. Well, she wouldn't say it was fair. Yeah. She'll criticize it. She'll criticize everything I do. So she'll be like, I will be like, should I put him in, I'll put him in some clothes and she'll be like, nah, doesn't look good. And I'll be like, well,

I don't think he knows or cares, but I'll or it'll be like, just every little thing, she's like, she thinks she can do it better. Right. But I think I just accept that for the time being. Good decision. Because I'm listening. to you on a podcast with that clever bald bloke with a posh voice. Alan DeBosso.

Alan, yes! Very interesting because I saw some parallels where he was saying that because you felt a little bit at points abandoned at school and a bit unloved and there was a bit of rejection with your love because you got dropped off there, that you were drawn towards a woman that gave you a little bit of rejection and love because it made you feel in that safe space because too much love you would know what to do with. But just the right amount of rejection, I really enjoy. And I...

It's just the right amount. I listened to that. Good news. It's the end of the interview. Fuck off. So that's just the right amount that I like. That's where I want more, but I would like more, but they would be too much. I know it's parallels with me and Lou in that chat.

Do you want that as well? A little bit, yeah. Well, she's just a bit fuck up. I quite like. And you're like, I love you. I love you. Yeah. And when they're a bit smothery, you're a bit like, oh, go away.

Yeah. It's amazing. Jamie, good luck of everything. It's a lovely guy. Thanks, guys. You are one of the great. Thanks guys and you too and I just Your podcast is amazing

And my wife loves your podcast so much She's welcome at any time You guys are amazing so I appreciate it Don't work too hard and enjoy it And what and are you guys going to watch the Disney Plus show Raising Chelsea? Here we go What's it on?

Raising Chelsea It's called Raising Chelsea And when's it on? Nice. It is on tomorrow Is it out now? It's out now It's out now It's out of one of the shout that

It's out now You had me at camera footage Shot on a phone By midwife Oh man. You're going to love it. It's amazing. It's funny. It's great. It's full of love. So go and get your Disney Plus description. Go and watch Raising Chelsea. Jamie Lang. What a guy. So buzzy. He's got, he's got such a good energy. Yeah. I'm starting to think maybe these other people that are like full of beans aren't the problem. I'm the problem.

You are full of beans 60% of the time. And then you're totally no beans. I'm full low beans. I feel low beans, no beans. I want some beans. It's because you, if you've got beans, you use the beans. Yeah. But yeah, exactly. As soon as I get beans, I use them. Yeah. You need to learn to control your beans.

I need to be getting beans as I'm using beans. I can't believe I'm getting told about overusing beans by the absolutely bean crucifier over there. Exactly. Hello, parenting hell listeners. Recognise that voice? Yes, it's Josh Riddickham here. I have got a new podcast, Josh Whitickam's Museum of Pop Culture. And I'm going to say it.

I'm about 85% sure you're going to love it. Here are the reasons why. Number one, I'm confident if you're listening now. you don't hate me and possibly think I'm funny. Number two, I'm confident if you're listening now, you like podcasts. Number three, I'm confident if you're listening to me and Rob, you prefer pop culture to people talking about things, let's be honest, boring things like history, economics or politics. I know I do and that is why I made this podcast. I wanted a show that tells the stories I love from popular culture in the way other podcasts do for drier topics. See above. Basically,

I wanted a podcast that realized Millie Vanilli were more interesting than Elizabeth. of the first. Join me as I give the definitive, or at least the funniest, takes on Mr. Blobby. When Ghost Watch convinced BBC viewers, ghosts were real, when a band burned a million pounds for a laugh. The Spice Girls, a truly catastrophic Spider-Man musical with music from you too, and David Hasselhoff, Baywatch, and his part in the fall of the Berlin Wall. All of them are, by the way. Either you know what these things are and you're about to learn far more about them than you ever realised you wanted to, or you don't, and you're about to be introduced to some of the maddest things in modern or ancient history.

Stiff necks will learn, lose next will laugh. New episodes available every Wednesday and Saturday. Perfect to fill those gaps between your weekly doses of parenting hell. So go on, you might as well listen, subscribe and follow wherever you get your podcast now. Museum of Pop Culture with me, Josh Whitakam, available everywhere from the 1st of January.