Parenting Hell with Rob Beckett and Josh Widdicombe - S6 EP52: Natalie Cassidy

Episode Date: July 7, 2023

Joining us this episode to discuss the highs and lows of parenting (and life) is the brilliant actress - Natalie Cassidy. Natalie has played Sonia Fowler in Eastenders since 1993 and was also a contestant on the seventh series of Strictly Come Dancing and the ninth series of Celebrity Big Brother. Parenting Hell is available exclusively (for free!) only on Spotify every Tuesday and Friday. Please leave a rating and review you filthy street dogs... xx If you want to get in touch with the show here's how: EMAIL: [e-mail] INSTAGRAM: @parentinghell MAILING LIST: parentinghellpodcast.mailchimpsites.com  A 'Keep It Light Media' Production  Sales, advertising, and general enquiries: [e-mail] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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But they just do their own, everyone does their own uniform and they just put it a massive markup on it so they can stick a fucking badge on it. It's basically. I think I might own one of those shops that just sells the uniform. You don't have to work one week a year in it last last last last last last last last last last last last last last last last last last last last last last last last last last last last last last last last last. of August fucking hammering out. Everyone's queuing. That's the dream. I see those people queuing the last week of August and it's like that looks stressful. Do you not do it online? You can do it online but also you want to go in for sizes that's the difference because they grow so of course. But also as well and like you know what's in a very privileged position and we're in a privileged and we can't afford to buy the uniform until payday. So if pay days end of August on the 31st and your kid starts in the third,

you can't go there two weeks earlier because you haven't got your money in, do you mean? We've got a good thing at the school where it's like, um, the second-hand uniform. Yeah, that's good'd get up early. And anyway, it was about 6 a.m. and I sort of rolled over to sort of give Lou a hug, right? And I was like, and I was so not with it and a bit tired and groggy. Basically, my Lewards was in the shower and it was my five-year-old.

And I panicked and thrown. Obviously it just my kid, but I was like, why is she so small? Why is why it's loose tiny? Oh, he made me laugh. That is funny. So did you continue with that like? No, I just put my, I went over and left the armor and I was like, because she's so much smaller, my hand sort of touched the bed and then I could feel something under my elbow bit and I was like, I pat it down and then she went and then she was like right dad and I was like oh it's you but I was like she shrunk. That's a lot it's like like the like big it's like the scene in big. The scene in big is exactly that but I mean yeah just I'm ending off but I've been enjoying doing the

the rehearsals for Queen B. Have you been playing the other parts? Yes, but it's more, the way they do it, it's pretty clever actually the way they write these musicals for the kids is that it's not a lot relying on other people. Yeah. It's sort of like, if she's got a couple of lines that start from, the queen enters, she sort of does her lines. Oh, that's good. Yeah. And then it will be like into a song. Yeah.

And then out and there's, so it's not loads. So you're not waiting for the cue of six kids in a row. Exactly. And also if it's longer lines, you're not. You're not, like someone. If they finish on a different line to confuse the other kids and to. just it's tough man. No she's not. No she's not of course not. Well my daughter's in musical about bumblebees and she one of the stage directors that says the Queenance is with a haughty facial expression. Yeah I don't even

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Fumpet? Could you play it? Do you play it? Do us a favor. Surely, sure, sure, sure, sure, sure, sure, sure, sure, sure, sure, sure, sure, sure, surely, sure, surely, surely, surely, surely, surely, surely, surely, surely, surely, surely, surely, surely, surely, surely, surely, surely, surely, surely, surely, surely, surely, surely, surely, surely, surely, surely, surely, surely, surely, surely, surely, surely, surely, sure. Let's not go on to Trumpet and Sonia immediately. What's Wellard like? What's Well, I'm like. I know, but what was he like? It was lovely. It was a girl actually and the doctor's name was Zenna. And she was a delight. There we go.

Right. How many kids you got? Two girls. Josh, if you want to do well-armed chat, let's save it when we get Dean Gaffney on. Okay, right, exactly. If you want to do Trumpet, fair enough. Martin Fala, Sonja, we'll get onto that later, but come and save you well on stuff for Gaffney. Do you still speak to Gaffney? Natalie? Do you? Do you still speak to Gaffney. He's always been a beefer. Always, he's always flying around the world.

I don't know how he does it. He's got friends in high places and he just makes me die. He makes me laugh. He's a funny bloke. We've got to get Gaffers on. Well listen, I'm not sitting here talking about Dean if you don't run. We'll talk about your kids. How old are your kids, darling? So Joanie is six, should be seven, August the 16th, and Eliza is 12, going on a hundred and fucking two. Yeah, I've been speaking to a lot of people that have got kids that are like sort of pre-teenage, 10 to 12 and it is, it feels intense. It's a phrase tweenage when they're like teenagers early.

Is that the phrase? But I'm not having any of it. Eliza is already, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it's, it's th, it's th, it's th, it's th, it's tha, it's tha, it's thii-it, it's thi, it's thioling. It's thoing, thoing, thoing, thoing, thoing, thoing, thoing, thoing, thoing, thoing, thiiii. It's, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha.a.a.a. Going, tha.ooing, thaa'a.ooooinginginging, tha, tha, tha, tha, that the threat? I'm not having any of it. Eliza is already a teenager. Is she? Right, okay. It's crazy stuff. It's, I tell you, I promise you, once. She started playing the trumpet. She's not playing the trumpet. Please, Josh. Josh. It's actually been a bit of a prick, oh come on now. I'm just so excited. I'm so excited this is finally happening. When your kids are in year six, right, at primary school, and they're going on their leavers tour and you think, aren't they grown up, right? They have the summer holiday and they're going to year seven.

They're like different human, they just get out of bed one day after a week of being at secondary school. And they're completely different human beings. It's incredible like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like their their their they they they they they they they they're like they're like they're like they're like they're like secondary school and they're completely different human beings. It's incredible. Because of the responsibility they have, she's got a laptop, she's emailing teachers. It's crazy. And my daughter, my daughter didn't have a phone until about two, three months ago, so she went into year seven without a phone and she did a couple of terms without it. That was quite hard because every single person had one apart from her. But now she's got her phone and it's crazy stuff. Oh my God.

Oh my, what are your, have you got to have phone rules? Like, is it? Oh, massive ones. She's got no social media. She's got be real. I'm fine with that. But she's not allowed Snapchat, she's not allowed Instagram, she's not allowed any of that. She has WhatsApp to talk to her friends and the phone remains downstairs on charge when she goes to bed and stuff.

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No, not at all. And is that always been the case or did that come at the age of fuck right this is now phones, this is now serious or were you like no chocolate? No I've always but no it's everything in moderation isn't it? I've seen, I've seen, I've had children round before. Yeah. And if they haven't got a sweet drawer or a crisp drawer, they come in here and they're like animals. Yeah. They just want to eat everything, because they have never got it.

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completely different children. But Eliza now, I feel as they get older, you have to pick your battles. You can't, you can't get annoyed over things that perhaps you would do with the younger ones. Yeah. Big bigger fish to fry. It's harder because you like, like the big, big, big, big, not doing that they they literally come back and go it's almost like interviewing a politician where they go well so and so is doing it and so and so is doing it and it and you're like Rob and then you know with that with that I just say I don't care I'm not interested in what other people are doing why why you're talking to me about that that that's a good I that I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I that's a good that's a good that's a good that's a good that's a good that's a good that's a good that's a good that's a good that's a good that's a good that's a good that's a good that's a good that's a good that's a good I'm that's a that's a that's a that's a that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's a that's a that's a that's a that's a that's a that's a that's a that's a good I I I I I I I I I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm that's a good I'm that's a good that's a good that's a good that's a good that's a good I that's a good I that's a good I'm that's a good I'm that's a good I'm that's that's that's that's a good I want to go, well I tell you what, their mom and dad are a fucking pair of pricks. And they're going to, and their kids are going to turn out like them. Okay? I have to say it has been said, Rob.

You're not wrong. You're not long. Well, the little known fact about your friend, I hate their parents, and I've put up their parents for 13 years. and I don't need to be told about what they do because you know what I fundamentally disagree of everything they do or you could just go I don't care it's probably a bit of a better way to do you think do you think Carol Jackson was a good mom on screen a great man Josh yeah she wasn't my real mom you do know no no I'm pretty aware of that Josh feels the judge is treating this interview like he's sort of confused about between fiction

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really good. It's a lovely place to be. Being in Eastenders as a child and how, like whether you do, how you'd feel about your children acting, because you were seven, right, when you were first appeared in Eastenders? Ten. Ten. I'll tell you something, your Wikipedia is shit. He's falling apart. I knew about that. Oh, fuck off Rob. So you are 10. I. I. I 10. I 10. I 10. I 10. I 10. I 10. I 10. I t. I t. I t. I t. I t. I t. I t. I t. I t. I t. I te. I te. I te. I te. te. I tel. te. te. te. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their their their their their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. th. th. don't worry about that. Oh fuck off Rob. So you were 10 so your daughter is basically would have already been in East Enders two years. Yeah, yeah. And have they expressed any interest in child acting? They both enjoy it and Eliza actually my eldest has done she just played Trunchball in her school production. Oh wow. She was brilliant she's really good at it. So I wouldn't mind her doing it, but to be honest, it's all very well, but auditions come through on my phone and I'm like, that's too much time off school and I just ignore it.

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social media now for your kids and I don't have that like you were like so famous in this country yeah like a young age and that must be quite difficult because you know what the press is like, especially back then, you know, 20, 30 years ago, way more brutal. How, did that make you a stronger person or do you find it difficult? Does it help you, like, give them advice and stuff? Yeah, I mean, I have to be honest with you. I just think I've been very lucky. I've got a very thick skin, and I've oh isn't it marvelous that you're on the tele? Like there was none of that at all. Which for me I just went to work and it's always just been my job.

So I think going into it at 10 is actually better than getting a soap op or say at 17. Because you kind of want it and you get the ego and you get not saying everyone does, but do you know what I mean? So for me, I grew up with it. It's like being recognized. People say everyone's like, you go out and what's it like, and I said, I don't remember not doing that. You've been famous longer than you've been alive. So it's just, it's what it is, isn't it? Not longer you're alive, but longer than you're not famous.

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Oh, I can see. I do make them laugh, but I think if you're with me every day, I'm a bit annoying. They do, listen with Eliza, Eliza's very much like me so he clash, when we argue and stuff she gives as good as she, I say to her you're gonna be a barrister, you've got to be a barrister, please be a barrister because she'll tell me that is a mug and I'll believe her by the end of it. Yeah, there'll be a pint glass. Yeah there'll be a pint of glass. In 10 minutes I'm like I'm really sorry it is a mug,. Yeah. It's just unbelievably persuasive. Do they get on because this is what, six year gap? Yeah, six nearly seven. They do.

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Or I do, Alexa, talk to kids' room. Get downstairs, I've not seen you for two hours. Do you, do you have a situation now where you're thinking, right, soon I'm making decisions on her going out, her going like, well, not only she's 12, but like alcohol or like parties and all that kind of stuff is not a million miles away. It's not a million miles away. So she sent me a voice note yesterday, so she's just started coming out of school because now she has the mobile. Yeah. Obviously she can contact myself or my nanny or Mark or whatever. And my little one is swimming on a Wednesday night. So she goes swimming from 5, 530 to 6.

Eliza comes out of school at 5. So yesterday she was like, I'm just, I'd like to pop into town with a couple of friends and then you know Laura can pick me up on the way home. And I was like, I don't know and I was like okay that's fair she's bored stiff at a swimming pool baking hot yeah wait a day at school that's fine I get a voice note hi mommy just to let you know I had some more Latin prep finishing it off and we're just having a Starbucks and I was just like she's like a 30 year old oh she's a good girl she's a good girl although She's a good girl. Although when she got home, I'd done spaghetti and meatballs last night, and trust me, my kids eat well, and she ate like half of her favorite dinner. I was like, you're sure you just had a drink?

I bet she smashed down a couple of cakes. She didn't eat all her dinner when she got in. Yeah, she's done you there. Yeah, she's absolutely done you. Your mom hates it when you leave six half-full glasses on your nightstand. It's a good thing mom lives on the other side of the country. And it's an even better thing that you can get six IKEA 365 plus glasses for just $9.99. So go ahead. You can afford to hoard because IKEA is priced for student life.

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Sid Owen wrote a single, I wonder what she thought about that. Do you remember it? I've done, I've done a lot of, I've done, I've done, I've done, I've done, pep-things. So, Natalie, you've recently had your 40th on the 13th of May, you was born in 1983 1983. that. that's not, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. to, th. to. that. that. that. that. that. to. to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, th. Peter. Peter. to, th. Peter. th. th. th. th. Peter. th. th. th. Peter. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thin, thin, th. th. to, to, thin, to, th. to, to, to, to. to. to, to. to, to, to. to. thee. thee. had your 40th on the 13th of May, you was born in 1983. How did you celebrate that? How was that for you? With the same age, you're only a month apart, Natalie. Do you believe that? Yeah.

What do you think about that? Do you think I look older than you, younger than you? What you're playing the clarinet on screen at the age of 10. Do you know what I mean? So... I'm joking, Rob. I'm too excited.

I'm too excited. You know, sometimes, I'll tell you what it's like, you know when you're in the pub with two people, and you're having a nice time, but you want to talk to the other one a little bit more and everyone keeps an interrupting. That's all. That's all it is. Oh, superb. No, it is strange, isn't it? Rob, I had a fantastic birthday.

I've got a local, we hide the local and what was amazing, I'll tell you what Mark did, this is my fiance my other half, it was incredible so a couple of weeks before we went to, I had to sorting my party out, we went to Kalani and we had a couple of nights in Kalawni. Where's Kalauni? In Ireland? And we just wanted, we've never been away from more than one night on our own without the children. So we went away and it's all the fiddly-diddly pubs right, amazing. You know, you're out, a proper lovely weekend together. Right, so there was this lady, beautiful girl with a guitar in this pub, her voice, her voice, she was doing

cranberry, all the ladies and I was nearly crying. I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I was, I was, I was, I was there, I was there, I was there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, without, without, without, without, there, without, there, without, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there was there was there was there was there was there was there was there was there was there was there was there was there was there was there was there was there was there was there was there was there, voice she was doing cranberry all stuff that I love like cranberries and all the land he said and I was nearly crying I said she is unbelievable anyway cut a long story short three weeks later I walk into my local and she sat in my local with a guitar oh my word mark had got in contact with her flown her over oh my god oh my god mark how marry me mark that is unbelievable how many mar you mar you marred mar mar mar? Mark I don't the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the same the same the the same the same the same the same the same the same the man man man man man man man man man man man man man man man man man man man man man man man man man man man man man man man man man man the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th is th is th is th is th is th is th is th is th is th is th is th is th. th. th. I was th. th. the are the can can can. That's unbelievable. How are we married to Mark? And I don't even like a long as more of a set. Such a bad about the minefowler. Such a good guy. Oh well that's really raised the stakes isn't it? Going back to the Starbucks thing. If she's buying stuff, has she got pocket money or how is she operating at 12 and she's getting to school on a bus or what's going on for that independence? No, she, so I'll drop her to school, Mark will drop it to school

or I have child care that drops her. And is that because you're in a village is that there's not much transport links kind of thing? There's not a lot of transport about and also there is a school bus but don't want to be a to the the the the. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to told. told. told. told. told. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to told. to their their their their their their their their their their. the school. the school bu. their the school bu. their the school but. their their their the school. their their their their to to to to lot that goes on on those buses, you know what I mean? Things get organized, a lot gets talked about. I think that's where the dodgy stuff can either happen or be organized. I don't want to the... Do you know what, when I used to come home from school, the walk home or the bus was where it all kicked off after school, and if you're getting caught up in trouble. I remember walking home from school and that this so a naughty boy had stole a bottle of

wine from like there was a PTA meeting that night so he was like I can't get a drunk a bit of wine in the woodteacher has to write how you did and stuff like that and you have to go and see you. But I've got to put on a report for a week and I remember to tell him my mom I was so ashamed. Was it difficult? Like did you get, not have that chance to rebel as much as I needed to and stuff and stuff and stuff and stuff and stuff, and stuff, and stuff, and stuff, and stuff, and stuff, and stuff, and stuff, and stuff, and stuff, and stuff, and stuff, and stuff, and stuff, and stuff, and stuff, and stuff, and stuff, and stuff, and stuff, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to to to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, I to, to, to, to, to, to, to to they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, theyrue, they, to, to, to, to, to, to, to to, to tell you something, I think I did quite well with it, if I'm honest. I think I rebelled as much as I needed to and got away with it, so I did quite well. No social media back then was it? Absolutely.

Yeah. You can't do it now. The kids now at work are amazing. You know that's 14, 15, 6, all they talk about meditation, yoga and all they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're their, they're, their, their, th, th and th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th, th, I'm, thi, thi, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I tho, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, thi, tho, tho, tho, tho, thoooooo, thoooooooo, thoooooooo, and thooo, and tho, and tho, and tha, and 156, all they talk about is meditation yoga and going to the gym. Is it? It's incredible. It's incredible. That generation... It's amazing. Honestly, they're absolutely brilliant. They're so professional, they're so great. Oh, they're right like us. We were in China White still four o'clock in the morning. Yeah, well my my wife, it was friend with Gemma who was in East Enda. Yeah, yeah. So she she was that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that was was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's their their their their their. It was the the the the the the the the generation. It was the generation. It was the the generation. It was the their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their that's that's their things. It's things. It's things. It's things. I was things. I was things. I was things. I was things. I was things. I was thing. It was in East End of... Lovely Gemma who came Claire. Yeah. Yeah. So she was kind of the other.

That would be the great first question, Josh to get win Natalie over. Sorry. That's great though. No, I'm enjoying though. You're rebuilding the rapport. Yeah. It's good. Yeah.

Do you think Nick Cotton killed any more logic they were sorry here's a question for you because I've just do you ever know when we're at a sort of our age is there any conversation in your house about another one yeah do you know what my son was being very cute this morning and I the thought entered my head and then I thought fuck no no no there is occasional chat about another one I one I the the that the tho. I'm not I'm a there there there there there there there there there the there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there the there there there the there there there there there there the there there there there there there there there there there there there the there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th the the thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi there they they they thought entered my head and then I thought fuck no no there is occasional chat about another one I think because we're as you say the age things interesting because you're basically then 60 when your children have grown up so that's that's a long way off do you you know what I mean? I mean I know Al Pacino's

just started a kid at 83. I think we're all young enough to have another kid. I know yeah yeah I think 60s fine. Rob I'm just trying to go. Rob I'm working on my excuses Rob. Really it's only the first five years are really mental and once they're in school it gets easier and easy and there are mental challenges with phones and they're th. th. th. th. th. that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that's that's the the the the that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their th are tho. I ty. I's try. I's te. I's te. I's the. I's the. I's the. I's th and all that that will always be a thing but the actual tiring graft of it all is a sort of four five year window. I think if I could have an 18 month old now that slept that slept I'd love that. But the the thought of Rose being pregnant for nine months with two kids is that's gonna be really tough for her. if it's the thin's the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the ti ti ti ti ti ti ti ti ti ti ti ti ti ti ti ti ti ti. I thi. I'll thi. I'll thi. I'll thi. I'll the actual the actual the actual the actual the actual ti. I ti. I ti. I ti. I ti. I ti. I ti. I ti. I ti. I ti ti ti ti ti ti ti ti ti ti ti ti ti ti ti ti ti ti ti ti ti ti ti ti ti ti ti. ti. ti. ti. ti. ti. ti. ti. ti. t kids is that's going to be really tough for her. If it's twins, I'd fucking love if it was twins, it'd be so good for a podcast. Please, please. Just think of the content. We could go and go up another level I think.

We'd go worldwide. If you had twins your life would be a fucking mess and I would want to hear about it 24-7 yeah, I mean, I'd tune in now, but I'll be tuning in much more. Yeah, I'll tell you what you'd be hearing about, Rob. My life as a, uh, as a divorced man. Great. Um, we haven't got enough bedrooms either. Um, we haven't got enough bedrooms either. coming out with excuses this chance do you have the chat by do you have the the only reason I was asking no because obviously this is a kid pop pop do you have that chat then I are about a year ago hmm maybe 18 months ago I was genuinely I was talking about it a lot thinking about it a lot

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that I've got, do you know what I mean? I don't see why I should make it more difficult. And we've only got two hands to cross the road with The fucking car I'd have to buy a new car and house. I don't need that. I know that's a big bit of pressure on top of a baby. Yeah, nine months. Well, I suppose, oh God, it's too much stress. Josh, you're what talking about it. It's the patty parma like? What's patty parma like? She's lovely. She lives in Malibu, she's great. She lives in Malibu? Yeah. Oh, wow. Have I said this before, Rob, that my agent got sent a character description of a new East

Enders character saying that they thought I'd be perfect for it? Eastenders said. And it was, the guy was a bookish nerd who wore cardigans. Well, how to, who got it, John Richardson? I don't know as it this was about six months. Yeah this was about six months ago. No you're like this is a set up. I swear on my life I swear it's not I'm saying why I swear you would now be playing my boyfriend no no no no. What's his name? Why did I do it? you would no to be their. No that was a to be so funny. No no! No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No! What the th. What th. What th. What th. What th. What th. th. that that that that that that th. that th. th. that th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi thi th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. to to that to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the. the. the. the. th it? Brilliant. That would have been so funny. Again, you're far too busy. You couldn't do his sentence. Yeah, well that's what I said. I'd have

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So that's what I was going to ask you, you know, we've been trying trying trying trying try, you're try, to to to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get you're to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get in and your child care around that? Well, I'm just extremely lucky that I kiss my child Niners' feet. I'm so sorry. I mean, it's the worst job in the world. Because then she's got to organize her life. I get it on a Thursday evening. So tonight, for next week? For Monday morning? Oh my God. Yeah. And then I'll just sit work to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to th. th. th. th. th. th th th th th thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi the thi thi thi thi thi thi their their their their their their it's their it's their it's their it's their it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's their it's their it's their their their their their their their their their their their thi. to to to to try. try. try. today. try. today. try. today. tho. tho. their their their their the for Monday morning. Oh my God. Yeah. And then I'll just sit, work it all out, see if Mark's got any time off, see what he's doing, he's super busy at the moment, go for everything. You know what it's like. I mean I've looked at a calendar this morning and I'm like oh my god she's got an insect day before that's a summer holidays. What's going on? What's happening? We've just had every bank holiday off from May.

We don't need another one. I've never known my kids to have so many days off. Seriously. Of course, Thursday nights you get the... And how many days you in normally? Again, completely dependent. I've got kind of a little provisional schedule, but it gives you no times and it is very like it can easily change. Could it be zero? Just because you're not in the same? Could be zero? Could be zero? Could be one day,

two days, it could be six days. Can I ask one more question? We always end on this? Yeah. Which do you think was the better moment when Frank hit Tiffany in the car? Yeah? Or when Kat shouted out? Yes I am, to Zoe saying you're not my mom. I'm going to go for the slate of my moment. Yeah, that's the big. You ain't my mother. Yes, oh my god, I get goosebumps thinking about that. Oh, what a moment. Josh, would you like...

That's not what we always end on. No, do you want to answer? Yes. If you could say one thing that your that your that your that your that your that your that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that you could say one thing that your partner does as a parent that is blows your mind, shows you that you know, that is parenting I could never do, that's incredible, what would that be? And one thing that annoys them, annoys you, you know this, is his ability to remain calm because my tolerance levels aren't great and he's fantastic. It remains calm in all situations when I want to smash the place up, you know, go mad. He's brilliant and he's very, very calm in any situation and he makes, yeah, the house a very lovely

place. But the downside of that is he's so late back, we can all be going out somewhere, we're all ready in the car, and then he's still sort of strolled around getting bits and pieces so we can be late for things, and I don't do late. No. Right. Yes.

Okay. Very good. That's pretty. thii. th. That's it. Time but it's pretty good actually. It's pretty happy functional family Natalie. We are. We really are. I'm very lucky like I said. Well good luck with the the teenage years, but I think you've got a handle on it. Thanks very much. I'll come back in a couple of years and tell you how let's go. Thanks to please. It's been a long way to make this happen but genuinely. Well, I feel. I'm thrilled. I'm really you you you you you you you you you you. I'll you. I'll you. I'll the early early early early early early early early early early early early early early early early early early early early early early early. I'll the early early early early. I'll the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I. Bye. Bye. See ya. I thought I played that cool Rob. Do you know what? I felt like you you had a patchy opening

but I think you really, you really clawed it back towards it. I just loved the glory period of East Enders Rob. It was a great beard. I'm more interested in it than it. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. th. th. th. that's, that's, th. th. thi, thi, thi, th. Bye, th. Bye, th. Bye. Bye. Bye. th. th. Bye. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. the. the. the. thea. to. to. te. ta. ta. ta. to. ta. to. to. to. to. I'm more interested in it than parenting. I can't sue me. Yeah, the cats later you ate my mother was the greatest thing I've ever seen on TV. Oh my god, so good. And she got birth on TV, didn't she, Natalie? Sonia? Yeah. Oh, we should have asked her about that. Get her back. We didn't. Have we did a parenting podcast? We didn't to the paroday. We didn't. We didn't. We didn't. We didn't. We didn't. We didn't have their their their their their their their their their th. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh, we didn't. Oh, we didn't, we didn't, we didn't, we didn't, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, the greatest, the greatest, the greatest, the greatest, the greatest, the greatest, the greatest, the greatest, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their their their their their their their th. th. th. th. their that, their the greatest, the greatest, their their th. the greatest, their that, the greatest, the greatest, the greatest, the greatest, the greatest, the greatest give birth though, it was just acting. No, but I'd be interested in that. We can say, what we should have asked was, looking back on your performance of giving birth, once you, once you actually gave birth, what did you do right and wrong? Have you got a number, Michael? We'll get it next time, don't you worry. Thank you. Thank you Natalie, we love you. See you later. Bye.