Parenting Hell with Rob Beckett and Josh Widdicombe - S7 EP20: Carol Vorderman

Episode Date: September 29, 2023

Joining us this episode to discuss the highs and lows of parenting (and life) is the brilliant - Carol Vorderman. Carol's new quiz book 'Perfect Ten' is available now HERE And the dyslexia information discussed on the podcast can be found here; https://tll.gse.harvard.edu/dyslexia-simulator Parenting Hell is a Spotify Podcast, available everywhere every Tuesday and Friday. Please leave a rating and review you filthy street dogs... xx If you want to get in touch with the show here's how: EMAIL: [e-mail] INSTAGRAM: @parentinghell MAILING LIST: parentinghellpodcast.mailchimpsites.com  A 'Keep It Light Media' Production  Sales, advertising, and general enquiries: [e-mail] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Well done. Should I read it out? Yeah? Should I read it out? Go for it. Hi, you sexy, relatable fools. Here is my 21-month old Iris saying your name. My partner and I love your podcast have been listening since Iris was born, November 2021. Since then we've had another daughter Ada, 19 months younger than Iris, so we're now

struggling through the madness of 2 under 2. Listening to you always lightens the load and makes us laugh. Jess, I'm from Birmingham but we now live in Stratford upon Avon. Oh, it's a strange bit of information. I'm from Birmingham now live in Stratford upon Avon. Quite close close th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th. Yes, th. Yes, th. Yes, th. Yes, th. Yes, th. Yes, th. Yes, th. Yes, th. Yes, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, their, their, their, their, their, th, and I th. And, thi. I's, and I's, and I's, and I'm, and I'm, and thin, and thrown, and thrown, thin, thou''''''''''a'a'a'n'n'n. Quite close aren't they those things? Yeah it's sort of like it's not too far is it? It's a bit fancier isn't it? But is it or is it just a tourist destination? I don't know. I imagine on the outskirts it's got some absolutely bog standard terrace terr-three bedroom housing that looks like it could be anywhere in so bloody Shakespeare. Yeah, so bloody Shakespeare. I went an open top bus tour of Stratford-upon-Avon, with Matt Ford. Matt Ford? When we was at gigging, and we ended up getting off at an industrial state

and having a pizza hut or you can eat buffet. It's what the bard would have wanted, Rob. So did you see the pizza hut and you were like, fuck it, let's get off? Yeah, and to be honest that was the only thing we saw because Stratford I'd say is big enough to wander around and get what you want from it. It doesn't, it's not Valencia. No. It doesn't need a sight-seeing bus. No. I had a bus incident this week. Go on. Go ahead. So Tuesday. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the th. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. t. tod. tod. tod. th. th. the. the. the. the. the the. th like, I'll take him to the cinema because he likes to go and see. There's like the Hackney Picture House put on toddler cinema, which is generally just a few episodes of C.Bibbies. And it's a bit sort of carnage in there, it doesn't matter because they're all young kids.

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It was like, it's like, you know when you see someone who's like in a film or something who's got off the wrong stop in New York and you're like, you're like, you're a fucking goner. Everyone's staring, yeah. There was a park with a the the the the the the the the the the the the the staring yeah. Yeah, there was a park with two blokes that I presumed were doing a drunk deal in it. Sure, absolutely. But actually when we got up closer, one of them was trying to convert the other one to Christianity. It was quite a weird morning, all things considered. So we went to this park, one guy was trying to convert another to Christianity. Absolutely. On the sways th th th th th th thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thuu' thoomk. Yeah thoom. Yeah thoom. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, tho' tho' th. tho' tho' tho' tho' tho' tho' tho' th. But th. But th. But th. But th. But th. But th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. the. the. the. the. thea. thea. thea'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a' the. On the swings. And then we got on the swings and then we got back on the bus and we just went all the way home. And it's honestly, he had the fucking time of his life Rob. So my kids want to go on a double-decker bus because we live in the countryside and

there's one single decer bus. It comes like twice a day so I'll have to drive into town. You should live in zone the town toycoccoccoccoccocc. I toy. I to to to to drive to drive to drive to drive to drive to drive to drive to drive tom. So. So. So, I tom. So, I to drive to drive to drive to drive to drive to drive to drive to drive, I th. So, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, yeah, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, I th. So, I th. So, I th. So, I th. So, I the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. So, I. I. I. I. Yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm t. Yeah, I'm try, I'm, I'm try, I'm, I'm try, I'm try, I'll, try, tomo. thi. thi. th. th. should live in zone too Rob. I should drive, yeah but I'm going to have to drive into town. I'm going to say that your son and my children getting on a double-decker bus will lose its fun at some point. I don't know, Rob. There's a lot of use on those buses. There's a lot of teenagers enjoying those buses, thoubts. So you're suggesting teenagers love buses more than it's the only way. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their getting getting getting getting to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to to to to to to to to their their their their their their tho tho. tooooooooooooooooooooooooo to to to thea to to their their their their their their their the's the only way they can get about and it's free travel. It's not free but yeah for kids it is. Oh is it? Oh is it? I suppose it is to a certain age but I just found out basically once you get to a five or something they've got a reply they've got to their own oyster card but the oyster card but theyuster card but theyster card but they have to tell you what what they they they they they they they to have to have to have to have to have to have to to to to to their their their their their th what tho tho tho tho to to to to to to to to to to to the. the tho to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to they're they're they're they're they they they they they they they they they they they they they they to they to they to to to to their their their their their their tho tho the is the. the. the. the thr-a thr-a thr-a thr-a thooooooooooooooooooooooooe. toe. toe to to toe to a certain age. They're supposed to have their own, so my girls have got their own oyster card, which they absolutely love. Yeah. I tell you what is bullshit, right? Is every year to pay, you have to pay 10 pounds to tell you have to pay 10 pounds to their car's electric.

Towards their t tell if your cars ULAs or not, it can't deliver as electric. There's a bit of green on the number plate, mate. That's how everyone knows. This is um, anyway, it's turned into LBC again. Yeah, yeah, sorry. You know, that's the problem as you get older, though, you just become miserable old men. That's the danger of this podcast. I'm trying not trying, I to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to trying not trying not to trying not trying not to trying not to to to to to to to to to to to to to tho. I'm trying tho, tho, thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I that's thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I's thi. I's thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thr. thr. thr. thr. trying. trying. to trying. to to trying. to trying. to trying. to thr. throooo. thi. thi. thi. thi saying I had a lovely time on the bus there and back. You're a happy old man. I'm happy. Do you know what I'm being Rob? I'm trying to be more Carol Vorderman. Oh lovely

Link that. That's what we've got now. She's very positive for Carol Vorderman. She said she likes young people and she is inspired by them and she's not afraid of them or resentful of them. Yeah and that's what we've got to be Rob. True, yeah I agree I agree with that yeah. What are you trying to do the link to get into Carol of Alderman now or do I've got a boomer story I was going to read out I don't know what to do? I've gone I've gone too early. Yeah I'd say you've gone you've gone I've gone too to to to go go go go go gone too too too too too too too too too too too to go go go go go go go go go go go too too too too too too too too too too too too too to go to go too to go to go to go too too to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go I've too I've got too I've got too I've got too I've got too too too too too too too I've got I've gone I've gone I've gone I've gone I've gone I've gone I've gone I've gone I've gone I've gone I've gone I've gone I've gone I've gone I've gone to to to to to too to to to to to to to too too to to too to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to too to too too too to too to to to to to too early with trying to get it into the guest. Yeah, that was an hour of judgment. Let me do these boomers, then we'll get into Carol Vardman, yeah? Morning, Josh and Rob. Have a listened to your recent episode about a slipping parenting standards,

as you have more children, I have a story about my dad. My dad had a game he used to enjoy whenuspecting dad. No, no, no. His favorite place seemed to be after church while people milled about chatting. He says he enjoyed a thrill he got seeing a panic in their face. Of course. His justification is that he only did it to people he knew could catch. Fuck off. Although I argued a baby's very different to a tennis ball. Safe to say my older siblings were never used as sporting equipment.. the the to the to to the to their to to their their their to their their to to their to their their to to to to to their to to to to c. No to c. No to c. No their c. No their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their c. No c. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No.. No. No. baby's very different to a tennis ball,

safe to say my older siblings were never used as sporting equipment in his defense, his screening process must have mirrored as I was never dropped, all the best, Matt. Even if it was like Ben Stokes, I don't want to throw my baby to them. Do you know what I mean? Even David Seaman I wouldn't launch my child too, Rob? Carol Vorderman? Carol Vordman. And on the subject of Carol Vordman. Oh, lovely dog.

I was going to do a parenting hack, though. Did you not want there? Yeah, on the subject of Carol Vordman, she loves a parenting hack. And she loved to hear what before she comes over her interview. Hello, Rob and Josh, falsefight with them. Me and my husband have a special movie night TV in our bedroom, which we used to treat our two daughters four and six to a late night movie at the weekend. Oh, lovely.

When actually what happens is we do their dinner an hour's piece in the evening, send them up to our bed, watching a movie of their choice. I'm th th th th th th th th th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, the, the, to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to tree, tree, tree, tree, tree, tree, treat, treat, treat, treat, treat, the treat, the treat, the treat, the treat, treat, the the treat, treat, treat, treat, treat, treat by staying up later and we get an extra hours piece in the evening while they're cozy up in our bed watching a movie of their choice. I'm dreading the day they learn to tell time. Much more. Lela from Paul Smith. Oh, enjoy it. Have you got a TV in your own, Rob?

We do and I go up there to watch football when I pretend I'm doing something else. Oh my word, Rob. And I, the other day, I just laid up there and I watched Ball Muff play Chelsea. And Lou went, what are you doing? I went, just a few things. I wasn't I am. Fucking out. Wouldn't stick you on the fucking numbers and letters, mate. Here we are. Carol Vauderman. We love Carol Vauderman. It's a really good episode. She's brilliant. What a woman. Enjoy Carol Vauderman.

Enjoy Carol Vauderman. Right, thanks so much for doing this, Carol. We're very excited. Do what, do you know what? I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I th I am th, I am th, I am I am I am I am I am I am I am I am th. I am I am I am I am I am I am I am I am I am I am I am I am I am I am I am I am I am I am I am I am I am I am I am I am I am. I am I am. I am. I am. I am. I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I am. I, I, I I am. I am. I am I am I am. I am. I am. I am. I am. I am. I am. I am. I am. I am. I am. I'm th th th. I th. I the, I the, I the. I the. I the. I thi thi thi thi. I thi, I the. I the. I th. Right, thanks so much for doing this, Carol. We're very excited. Do you know what? I'm going to use the word, we occasionally throw around Rob, National Treasure. Oh, do you know what? Absolutely. Yeah. The second person ever on Channel 4, Carol Vauderman, hello. Boom. There we go. Is that true? Is that a real fact? Well, Richard introduced it as one countdown to a new channel ends.. So, so, so, so, so, so, so, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, th so, th so, th so, th th Boom! Is that true? Is that a real fact? Well, Richard introduced it as one countdown to a new channel ends, so a new countdown begins. What a line! I know, it was hell of a line.

Then the next line was two from the top. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, and then when Channel 5 was opening up, because he was very proud, he was the first man on channel 4 as he should be and then he tried to persuade that then boss Dawn Airy who's wonderful if he could also be the first person on channel 5 he's on channel 4 every afternoon with me Richard I write that actually I don't see why not darling I don't see why I can't but you're on channel 4 every afternoon with me Richard well yes but would it be lovely if I could also be the first personal channel it would be so weird if you just on channel

five for the first bit and then just went back to channel four every week like also like it's quite a funny thing to sort of say out loud like imagine if I did that but as you wasn't it? Did you ever meet him? Either of you? No, it was before him. What was he like? I was amazing. Honestly, I could do you an hour about Richard Whitey, but it was like, you'd have

loved him because he's a one-off. Yeah. You know, it was a completely one-off. And when we started, which was 41 years ago, Jesus. I was like 21 and he would have been something like late 30s then. And he'd been on the local news program, which was called Calendar for years and years and years. And he'd worked his way up to, it was like Mr Yorkshire, you know. And he used to host the calendar show. So he was, it was a really good political journalist. And he was very much a Tory back in the, Margaret, he, he, he, he, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi, thi, th. th. th. th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th. And he would would would would would would would would would would would would would would would would would would would would would would th. And he would th. And he would th. And, th. And, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. And, to host the calendar show, so he was a really good political journalist,

and he was very much a Tory back in the Margaret Thatcher fan, you know. So he was quite pompous when we started in 1982 and it took about six years to boast the bubble, but once we pricked his pomposity, rather I had, that was when it just started to flow. Yeah. It was like, calm whiters, you know, and the stuff we got up to was, was just wonderful. It was just, and funny, proper funny, you know, you're like you too when you just, you're just, you're just, you're just, and then you go, what the hell were we laughing at? And of that, we were like that all the time. I miss that. I miss that a lot. Yeah. I do. It must be the longest you work with anyone, right? Well, yes, it would have been 23 years.

Yeah. Yeah. Do you still watch it and do the maths? Well, no, I mean a lot people asked me that. Oh, sorry Carol. I'll be a shit question, just a great role and then you've gone in that. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. It. It. It. It. It. It. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's a great role and then you've gone into go back. Sorry about in peril. It's an actual question. No, it's like, no, no, I don't know. Because it's 15 years since I was, you know, on it. And it's not anything to do with countdown. It's just like life moves on, doesn't it? Yeah, of course. And you will find when your children get older, you'll go, life moves on. Yeah. You will. Yeah. So how old are your children Carol? Mine are 26 that's Cameron and 31 Katie. So they are proper sort of grown-ups gone through education? Well would you define that as a grown-up? I mean I can only ask you to? Are you now grown-ups? I'd say yes. I think, yeah, I think I am a grown-up. Do you, Josh? Yeah, I do, I'm 40. No. Yeah, Yeah. What happened there? Is it a panic in you, Carol? Yeah, it is really? Because I think of Josh like, oh, like baby-face. No, he's rotten. He's like a raisin, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, I's th. Yeah, I's th. Yeah, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I th. Yeah, I, face. No he's rotten he's like a raisin now. It's falling apart. How do you Rob? I'm 37. Oh so you're a baby. Yeah. So,

so much younger. It's three years. Yeah. But is it? Well I think being a grown up is when you have responsibilities. So it depends on what point in your life you have them. So if you've got two kids and a career you're really into it like 22 you have to be a grown up from then yeah essentially yeah you do so it's responsibilities do you think it's the having the children yeah or someone to be responsible for I think it's responsibilities and then that normally comes kids are the biggest responsibility you can have they are a lifetime I don't think thi the the the the the th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th thin thin thin thin thin thin thin thin thin thin the the the the the the the the to their the to to to to to to to to to to to to to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be their their their their their thrown. thrown. thrown. thrown. thrown. I thrown. thrown. thrown. thrown. throwne. throwne. throwne. throwne. throwne. throwne. the that's the that normally comes kids are the biggest responsibility you can have. They are a lifetime. I don't think career is that much of a responsibility. Even a mortgage ends at some point. Yeah. You know what I mean? Well,

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And they're really young. We've had her on, haven't we? We had her on here. I think they want 10 kids. That's the aim, yeah. Josh, hey, your voice just went back to pre-13. His voice matched his face, then. What does possible sound like for your business?

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Yeah, they are grown up now, yeah. So Cameron and I still live in Bristol, which is where I am now, together. And Katie, she was living in Cambridge about 10 years. So she's a lot of the research scientist, but she's in London briefly at the moment. So I can't see and less and until she's a lot older with kids her coming back to Bristol. Yeah, oh that's what you want though, so her to come back. Well, yeah, I miss my Katie but you know life is what life is, isn't it? It's difficult isn't it? So there's no grandkids at the moment? No, no grandkids at the moment. No. And is that something you're what that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that th you're th thi th th thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi th is thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi th is th is thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi their their thi thi thi thi thi thi thi to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to ti. to ti. to ti. th kids at the moment. No. Okay.

And is that something you're excited for? Not really. How you done in time? It still happened when it happens. Yeah. Yeah. Now if she'd come home and said she obviously would be excited, but. Oh, God, yeah.

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So I was born in 1960 and you know we were proper poor like proper proper poor. Hang on a 1960. Yeah 1960. You're 60s, you're not 63 in December yeah. You're not 63 Carol Vauderman. You're a fucking Benjamin Barn. You look younger now than you did when you was 21. I don't understand like it works, Carol. Boterman. You're a fucking Benjamin Barnier. You look younger now than you did on when you was 21? I don't understand that it works, Carol. Botox. Fair enough. Ha ha ha ha. Okay, medical intervention, I get it, that makes sense. Sure. But it's good. It looks good. Well, that's very kind.

But do you think though those photos of you when you like 21 on countdown though. Obviously because it's like the style and the grainy images and the clothes back then and the shoulders. You look older there than you do now. I know. I think a lot that's the style though isn't it? Yeah. And the hair styles and stuff. The hair is it. So you were 23 when you started. Oh my word. Anyway, sorry, it was probably in 1960. He got sidetracked by the Botox. Born in 1960. So anyway, so then my mum remarried my stepfather when I was about nine. So I grew up in North Wales, she says, pointing towards North Wales, which means nothing to anybody

watching. Yeah. So then when I graduated, about three weeks after I graduated, mum said, right, we're leaving Gabrielle, my stepfather, who I adored, oh are we again? And then she didn't let me go and see him again. So we moved to England at that point. So I've got my Cambridge degree and all of that. And then I just worried about my mom so much that we moved to Leeds. I got the job on countdown. As soon as I was able to employ her, I was 25. And so I employed my mum.

And therein after she worked for me and lived with us all through my marriage and everything until she died many years later. So we're used to, like my kids are used to, Nana being around. Right, so it's a real strong impact on their life, Nana. Yeah, it's a normal thing, yeah. When you say you employed her. My my, my, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, tho, tho, thi thi tho, and tho, and tho, and tho, and then, and then, and to to to to th th th th th th. And th. And, and then, and then, and th. And, and th. And, and th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And the, the, the, the, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, their their their their in their in their in their in their in their life, Nana. Yeah, it's a normal thing, yeah. When you say you employed her, was that off screen with a calculator giving the answers in your ears? Not my mother, no. No. Running the office, so she used to run my office for me, yeah. Oh, nice. Oh, wow, that's nice. Yeah. That's so nice. Were you a fun mum? I think I was.

Although so I was how it was I 31 and 36 when I had the kids and married very happily married and at that time my career you've got to put it in context really because women my age were sort of the bow wave of you had to take all the crap basically all the shit that everybody had to take all the crap basically, all the shit that everybody had to throw at you in order to sort of break through again and break through again. So you had to work, you had to like commit that that was your priority for one to for better word. So in my 30s I worked all the hours got sent, you know, and it paid off. But because mum lived with us, I lived with us, I didn't have to worry about the kids. They were always at a home. Yeah. They weren't going else. Well, going else. Not that that's a bad thing, but it was just

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But back then, back in the 1990s, you weren't allowed to say anything other than you were a bloody Stepford wife, you know, and sort of apologize for having to go to work and all that. And things have changed so rapidly now. Yeah, so did you feel like, did you, a lot of stick for being a career woman then and having a nanny and going to work? Yeah, quite a bit. And how did that manifest?

And how did it make you feel? Well, now I'm just really happy for younger women because they can go, no, I really want. Like my daughter, it's going to sound a bit weird but she's a research scientist so she's a post doctorate PhD in nanotechnology. God the apple doesn't fall all far from the tree there that's the kind of job presumably you were headed to before countdown. Yeah yeah of course we used to do maths every morning when they were young because I knew that particularly as a girl she she'd always be asked, and I was on countdown, obviously at that time. I knew as soon as she went to school,

people would be asking her math sums all the time. Yeah, the daughter of the... Yeah, so just like, you've got to teach your kids some dad jokes. Yeah, because they'll expect them to to to to to to be to be funny. Yeah, don't worry about that. Yeah. I've got one. Feel free to use it. Wides as a squirrel swim on its back to keep his nuts dry. Hey! Job done. Yeah, that's great. That's great. That's great. That's great stuff. I really like a little bit cheeky. But something. A little bit cheeky. Something from your own set in fact. Isn't it rather? Yeah. That might not that mind Ithere's the expectation on the youngsters. So Katie was always good at maths and everything and she's brilliant actually and so she went to Cambridge and then she did all

her degrees there and then she did a PhD there. But point is she's 31 now and now I love the fact that she can choose, she's just set up a startup company for a factory to be built in space. It's complicated, It really did. You don't really understand what she's doing, dear Carol. No, no, no. Well, I do. Oh, you do. It's how to explain it because it's quite great.

It's about manufacturing protein crystallization in space in low Earth orbit. So there's a good. Absolutely, yeah. If my protein is not crystallized, I'm not happy. Are you annoyed, Rob, that someone's got there first? Because that was your plan for retirement. That's what I've been thinking about. I've actually been trying to crystallize carbohydrate, isn't it? Isn't it? That's terrible. I've got a fountcha up there.

Pumphing out crystallized carb. No, I want it. that she can do that and there's no criticism of that now it's something to be admired. Whereas you know my life. Yeah, well the response would be who's got the kids then back in the day it'll be like well look if you're doing that who's got the kids? Oh gosh awful awful awful and also there was no expectation on fathers to do anything with the children other than do like the good bits you know to me. So whereas I love their their their their th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. that I that th. th. that that that that that that that that that that's that that's that's that that that that that that that that their their that their that that that that that that that that that that their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their th. th. th. their th. their the. the. the. the. the. the. their response. that's response. that's their response. their response. their response. their other than do like the good bits, you know, to me. So whereas I love it now because where I live in Bristol in Clifton, do you like, it's lovely isn't it? Very nice. The vibe is just so like, oh, relax and lovely. But there are a lot of couples, your sort of age, with young kids here now, whereas it used to be older people and children.

It's now got this lovely vibe. And what I love is that, you know, when I'm walking around all the time, is you see a lot of the young fathers like yourselves, with their kids actually, you know, happily going and taken them for a walk or pushing the push chair or, you with the old what do you call them I call them Papoose. Papoose. Is it a Papoose? Yeah, yeah, it's a pupus. Yeah, it's a pupus.

A pupus. And I love to see that because that wouldn't have been done. Even you know when my kids were young, that wasn't a thing. because I love their freedom and I love like their attitude to life. It's just, you know, the whole love is love. It's like and you know, oh my best friends gay and it's not even a subject matter. Whereas our lot, you know my age was like, oh God, you got to judge people, you're going to do this, you can't go. It's like, it's hard, but it's tiring being judgmental. Oh my God. It must be exhausted.

All those people who are like principal, you know, it's a principle, don't have principles. So much easier. I'm principledless. I'm with you now. I'm so with you. Yeah. That's too hard work to have too many things that annoy you, isn't it? But, really? to have too many things that annoy you, isn't it? Isn't it? And people get weighed down by stressing themselves out.

There's that quote which is, Angels fly because they take themselves lightly. Oh, I like that. And if you do that, life's a lot easier rather than trudging around. They always look like they walk heavy, angry people. Yeah, they do, don't they? I can't be asked with it. I just can't be asked. Anyway, so it's lovely now and I think I'll be a good nanner, I think. Yeah, I think you'll be great. You've got a zest for life, like so few people.

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Yeah, come. Which I've talked to you about, well, not me personally. I was there when you talked, we were on Radio 2 together, you talked to Zoe Ball about you. We were on with Zoe, with Zoe, weren't we? Yeah, about your relationship status and how you run that? that. that. that. that. that. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, is to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to thi, the, the, the, the, the, the, the the. the. the. the. the. to to to to to to to to to to to to that. I think that's brilliant. Yeah, well it's also I mean got partly to do with kids so I don't want to settle down again. At the moment I mean it might be different when I'm 75 I might think actually I can put up with someone, but at the moment that's not what I want to do. Can't get out of the stairs it'll be quite good something to lean on eight o'clock every night. That time is to come, but it's not for now. So what I have done for, oh my God, well over 10 years is I use a system which I call my special friends. So they are men. I really like, really like me and then, you you know we have an extra bit of

whatever, whenever and everyone's single. Yeah, that's a key part of it. And everyone's on board with the setup. On board with it and and it's just nice. Yeah. Because you know some I see more often than others and but they're like interesting people who I really like anyway they'd just be friends. Yeah. Yeah. And you don't have to have an argument about buying a new fridge with. Oh god no, it's just a joy. I think we should get the Zanusi.

Oh, fuck off. I forgot you hate Zanusi, Rob. We don't want to get into that. Oh yeah, don't get me started. That and smeg. Has he had a problem with his ice cube making? I've got no issues with Zanusi. I just picked it because it was a funny word. That was it. That was it. I thought it would get a bigger laugh.

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Oh, right, I'm gonna trip myself up with the words here? They finish one bit of what they're performing. And I'm like, amazing, amazing. And that's a bit where you're meant to be completely silent. Yeah, the fake endings in songs as well. They build it up like it's done. And I'm on my camera like, oh, no. That's brilliant. Oh, Vaudermon was in making a show of herself again with her shouting. Oh, I know, I know being judged.

Yeah. So now I just do the things that I like. And luckily my kids, Katie particularly, I suppose, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I like and luckily my kids, you know, Katie particularly I suppose with the science and everything, we like the same things. So that's good. And what does Cameron do? Did he go down an academic route as well? No because Cam was, well he did in the end, but Cam was a special educational needs child. So he was literally off the scale dyslexic, off the scale ADHD.

I don't think he's on the spectrum, but he might be, we don't know. And so when he was about six, there wasn't the school that would take him really. So I eventually, yeah, eventually, because what happens is when they're young, that there's something that isn't the same as with other children, with the learning, the learning, the learning, the learning, the learning, the learning, the learning, the learning, the learning, the learning, the learning, the learning, the learning, the learning, the learning, their like that, you know from when they're young, that there's something that isn't the same as with other children, with the learning. So I would go through, you know, when they're dead young and you do the phonics.

Yeah. And there you go, so it's like, murphamamami. It's not M, mmummy. And I get him to write it, you know, like almost almost almost almost almost almost almost almost almost almost like it, you know, like it, like it, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, you to write it, you to write it, you to write, you to write, you to write, you to write, you to write, you to write, you to write, you to write, you to write, you to write, you to write, you to write, you to write, you to write, you to write, you to write, you to write, you to write, you to write, you to write, you to write, you to write, you to write it, you to write it, you to write it, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, to write, to write it, to write it, to to to the to to the to to to write it, to to to to write it, to write it, to write it, to write it, to to write, say, mur, m-muh, mur, for mummy. And then literally five seconds later, and there would only be one letter on the sheet of paper and they go, and what's this letter? And he'd look at me and go, eh? No, or, ah, yeah.

Or yeah, yeah, it just wasn't registering. And I knew, I thought, well, I can take him out of school and I can homeschool him and give up my work and all of that. But then I knew that I didn't have the skills to teach a child with special educational needs because there's a particular way of teaching him. So in the end I found a place called Fairley House. We lived in Central London then for about five years and he went there and that changed him. And was that a special educational needs kind of institution? Yeah, but it was a private school. So it's a passion of mine really because kids who in the state system and there was a piece out yesterday, you know, 60% of them aren't getting any SEN care now because the budgets have been slashed so much. Yeah. So he eventually went to another school and I kept them in the private system,

but he was bullied. A lot of these kids are bullied a lot. But eventually he went to, he did his GCSEs, then he did his A-level, so didn't do brilliantly in them. But then he went to a local in Bristol now, like a tech, we used to call it tech. And he went their their their their their their their to to to to to to to use to use to use to use to use to use to to to their to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to used to call it a tech. And he went there for two years, got a distinction. With that he went to University of West of England, you really call it, in Bristol, and got a first in animation. Oh wow. Yeah, and then he went up to Dundee and got his masters in video effects. So he works in that kind of area. Amazing. Oh, brilliant. But it just takes longer for those children. To get the the system the system the system the system the system the system the system the system the system the system the system the system the system the system the system the system to to to to the system the system to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to their. their the their their the the the the the the thuuu.u. the the the the theuuu.u.u.u.u.u.u.u. University.u. University. University. University of university, the university university, the university university, we we will. But it just takes longer for those children to get through the system because the system is not, you know, education is my passion.

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But yeah, there's definitely a gap between different school systems and the support they offer massively. There is. It's something, you know, in 2010, I built an online school, the math factor, it's still running now. So it's a primary school kids, and it just works. So they have like a their a their a to to to to to to to to to to to to their, to be, to be, their, to be, their, their, their, to, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their have like an anti-carol video and then it's all very colorful and all of this. They have it like little avatars and then they have to do their practice and blah.

But I found, so in the first lockdown, you know, the schools are fundamentally closed, weren't they? And we went free, so we used to be two pounds a week, but we went free to free to free to free to free to to every to every to every to every to every to every to every to every to every to everybody to everybody to everybody to everybody to everybody to everybody to everybody to everybody to everybody to everybody to everybody to everybody to everybody to everybody to everybody to everybody to everybody and we had half a million children registered with us during those like four or five months. And the number of special educational needs children who just came alive to maths because of it made me realize that I'd put a lot of what I'd learned about teaching Cameron into it. So don't miss out a single step. Yeah. You know, don't assume

that kids know what you're doing. Point it out and the visual learning is key, I think, for kids with S&N. So it did get better, Rob, because I've done a lot with various governments over the years with education, and it got better and now it's a lot worse because of funding. Yeah, yeah. And it's hard for parents,'s a lot worse because of funding. It's a lot worse now, yeah. And it's hard for parents, you know, sometimes these kids are waiting up to two years just for, you know, you know, an analysis to say they need extra lessons. Was it difficult as well for you? Because you obviously you've got one child who's naturally into it and away and it's your eldest child and you like, and then for poor Cameron he's not only having to deal with this he's looking at a sort of a 1% kind of academic individual goes off to Cambridge you know that sort of elite it's quite a jump isn't it and difficult for confidence when you're seeing that happen in a half and I think it's difficult for parents you know

that is a parenting hell you know I was a kid who just went to school and it just all went in, I was super bright and went off, you know, year early and all of that. And Katie was similar. So it was like, uh, and Paddy, their father, my husband was, is super bright. So it was like, oh, I don't understand. I didn't understand. Obviously over the years I've learned an awful lot. And it's a bit of a passion now. Because I understand just how difficult it is. And that is a parenting hell when you have no experience and you have no help with it. Because you love this child so much, you know, you want to swap places with them.

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Like, and stuff like that. So it's sort of, it's difficult. So is it genetic or is it random these special education is? It's partly genetic. I think dyslexia, they say, but you know, they go, oh well, you know, whatever the percentages of the day are dyslexic but there's a huge range of it Rob as you know from people who might reverse a B and a D for instance you know because they look similar but it changes on the paper and to someone who just the letters are just dancing in front of them and there was

so Cam it's really interesting because he goes online now and there are all sorts and he came up with and showed it to me, I'll try to send it here actually, a link to something and it was somebody explaining what it's like to be dyslexic. So it says here is, and it's just like a little video, here's a paragraph and I can't remember the subject but let's say it was, oh I went to town to do some shopping blah blah it's pretty simple so and it was about three sentences and then it just said and this is what I see and the letters were jumping around literally and the words were reversing they were all in the same sequence if you know to mean but they were I don't like Jesus whoa and come said that's what I see. Wow said that's what I see. Wow.

That is what I see. So what does he do now to read? Does he still see that? Or has he learned techniques to stop it? Or how's it? It's always about strategies. Everything is about strategies. Even with ADHD, he forgets people's names, right?

I can't remember people's name, which I know is relatively common, but as an example, so he has a whole technique, if he sees someone in the street of what he asks them to get clues as to who they are and how he would remember them. But it's strategy, strategy, strategy, and he's really brilliant at it. I think he's gonna put some online actually, because they're just simple, but you must have that Rob, the strategies. Yeah, so if I meet someone, I'll be... You're incredible with names Rob.

Like when we did live shows, you knew everyone's name in the audience the moment. You come back to someone, you knew all of them. So I can't take instruction at the tolu. So if someone sits me down and explains this is what we're doing today. I'm looking at him and I'm trying so hard, but it just sort of flies through my head and out. Whereas if you show me, if you physically show me, or there's an image of it, I can take it from that. So if I meet someone, I'll add something. So if I met Josh, I'll be like, Josh, red andthe name of Josh. So when I think of Josh,

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to be on it at the moment, there's nothing that's striking in that sense, but my youngest has definitely got an energy problem that I've got where she's just like has to scream, where my eldest has fun and messes about, but like you, I think we may have a similar thing where I'd quite like go to an air show so I could just scream as a jet went over to just release. Yeah, it's fascinating though, like what I find with schools of the education system, I've written various reports about math education and everything comes from the university so they go right if you're going to study chemistry you're going to study maths obviously or engineering or whatever the university decides what those kids need to have studied for a level. So that's how the kind of the A level is set. So then they go,

oh the A level right in order to do the A level is set. So then they go, oh the A level right, in order to do the A level this is what they must study at GCFC including all the stuff that most kids never need, trigonometry, a lot of simultaneous equations. Of course you need all that if you're going to unny but you don't need it if you're going up to age 16 and so on. So everything sort of tracks back from there and th. And that I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I th I th I th I th I th I th I th I th I th I th I th I th I th th th th th th th th th th thi thi thi thi thi thi thi. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. th. th. th. th. th. th. th th. th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th. th thi thi thi the the the the the the the theeeeeeeeeeee. theeeee. the. the the the the the th so on. So everything sort of tracks back from there. And that I think is fundamentally wrong, you know, because kids are forced into doing stuff, which actually is, you know, people say to me all the time,

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you know, if you're doing a, like a long subtraction. Whereas now there is decomposition, so they take the top number and they put a line through it and eight tens were split those into seven tens and one ten and all that. And parents go, eight, that's anyway. And the child almost goes, we don't get in like that anymore, you know. And it becomes, I know this, because like thousands and thousands of parents over the years have told me this, it becomes a hell. Yeah, well luckily for me, lose a history teacher and I just tap out.

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And I always struck me, he was quite graceful and gracious in that moment. And like you say, you've not been on it. Like how did you find that especially as like, you know, like it was a career woman and they were sort of jumping on you and stuff. Like did that affect you? Yeah, I did find it hard. But again, it's like, you know, the ageife in my generation. It's still rife in my generation.

But what we have now, so when I was 39, I talk about this a lot actually in the year 2000, as an example, so in this century, the year 2000, I was age 39, and I went to the Baftas and I wore a short blue dress, and it was all over front pages everywhere, oh my god, oh my god. And it went it went th th th it went it went it went it went it went it went it went it went it went it went it went it went it went on it went on it went it went on it went on it went it went it went on it went on it went on it went on it went on it went on it went on it went on it went on it went on it went on it went on it went on it went on, it was all over front pages everywhere. Oh my God, oh my God, I remember. And it went on for about a year. The BBC made a special kill Roy about it. Daily Mail, obviously, you can imagine.

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Far, far, far worse. But what I love now is, you know, being in my 60s is that there are generations below now. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, let do what she wants. Whereas when I was younger, those generations didn't... It was a middle finger for

Voldemann to the listeners, just so they know. Yeah. Because they can't see it. It was a very aggressive middle finger. It was very impressive and good. Yeah. With a fully painted nail. There's a newcy written name. So what I love now is that younger generations, like your own, go, why not? Yeah. You're not harming anyone. But that didn't exist, that generational thought didn't exist when I was younger. So that's why I mean, you know, from my 50s onwards, I love it because I've got people in the world now who think like I do, rather than always being a bit, you know,

my ambition was to be an RAF fighter pilot. That was all I ever wanted to be, but women weren't allowed to be, you know, until I was well in my 30s and obviously too old by them, but it was how it was. And that's what's so joyful about it now, which is one of the reasons now why I'm forever in the gym. I've still got my gym kit on now. And I'm really into like health. And one of the reasons is that I enjoy like the company I have now more than I did back there. And I've always had a good time, but I feel freer now than I've ever ever felt. Oh, it's amazing. Yeah, which I love. Thanks so much, Carol. Oh, it's been enjoyed.

I genuinely speak so brilliantly and we've had such a good conversation. This is the first time we've ever not seamlessly put in the plug. Oh, yeah. Which is your own fault for being too good a conversation, Carol. Your new quiz book Perfect Ten. Did you tell us about that? Perfect ten. Before I tell you about that, just one thing, going back to Europe and dyslexia. Did you know, there's very famous Sunday Times journalist called AA Gill?

Yes. Oh yes. Yeah. So AA Gill was, you know, known as a sort of superlative critic, wasn't he? And I mean, he slagged us off all the time, but he did it using such wonderful language you kind of didn't mind. And I met him years and years and years and years later and he sort of took one step back as soon as he saw me because he thought I was going to hit him for all of the bad stuff he'd written about quite the opposite. And he said, oh, I read about your son, this was years and years ago, I went, oh yeah, he said I'm dyslexic, I'm hugely dyslexic and we used to talk on the phone. AA Gill couldn't write, he physically couldn't write. He used to phone through his copy through. He used to phone his copy through. He said I've had the same PA for over 20 years. I've phoned the copy through,

I've never met her. I've phoned the copy through, she types it up and that's what I send. And that was AA Gill. Wow. Yeah, that's incredible. That's incredible. That's amazing. Again, you've a book book. That's that's that's the book. That's the book. That's the book. That's a book. That's a book. That's a book. That's a book. That's a book. That's a book. That's a book. That's a book. That's a book. That's a book. the book. the book. the book. the book. the book. the the the the the same. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. the same. the same. the same. the same. the same. That's the same. That's the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the same. the the the the the same. the same. the the the same. the same. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. That's amazing. I never knew that. Once again you've managed to stop your book being plugged here, Carol. Yeah, sorry. These are books that you can't see. Perfect 10. Come on, quiz book. Perfect 10. Talk us through it with orders. Okay. So in January I began a new podcast which I spent about a year with our little team putting together because it wasn't a big quiz podcast. And we thought oh pub quizzes and general knowledge and all of that. A they. they. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. the the the th. th. the th. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. together because it wasn't a big quiz podcast and we thought oh pub quizzes and general knowledge and all of that anyway we tried a few different pilots last year and I was going no no it's not right it's not right so we came up with perfect 10 it's 10 different kinds of questions so one of the rounds to

a memory round where you listen to about 30 seconds of stuff and I ask a question one's a riddle ones are like audio clips and you've got to get the well a to to to to to to the well to to the well to to the well to to the well the well to to the well. the well. to the well. the the the the to to the the to to to to to th. to th. th. the the the the. the. I'm to be. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I'm. I. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. t. t. t. t. t. t. try. t. t. try. t. t. try. t. try. try. try. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I ask you a question. One's a riddle, ones are like audio clips and you've got to get the well-known phrase or saying from that. All of that kind of thing, right? Or Carol Loki, which is you hear a little bit of a song and then I'll ask you a question about the next line in the song. Yeah. So it's not general knowledge. It's not like the chase will be in all the podcast came out and it's now, I believe, I'm told, number one in leisure,

number one in games. There we go. Nice. And number two in mental health. Oh, I know. All the other ones are fucking droning on though, isn't it? This one's a bit of fun. It's karaoke. Exactly. What's the podcast called Perfect Ten? It's called Perfect Ten. Ten questions, ten perfect answers, all done in ten minutes. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their their their their their their their their their their their their their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. the the the the the the the the their the their their, Ten Perfect te answers, all done in ten minutes. Oh, yes, please. That's my kind of podcast. Bob Beckett's on board. Exactly. You're all kind of fun. And it's a different one, Monday to Friday. I'm on there. I'll have that out and walk in the dog. I'll smash her a week on that walk. So the book, which is out in September, is that basically, and it's lots and lots and lots of of of of of of of of of of of of but it's a hard back and I think a lot of people will want to buy it as Christmas presents and so on.

Do you know what, that is? Stop listening now, Teresa Watts. That's what you're getting for Christmas, but my friend, no, that is absolutely nailed on. She'll love that. She loves a good quiz. Carol, it's been an absolute joy to talk to you. Oh, thanks, Carol, so much. Thank you so much for doing it. Oh, I'm you too, thank you. It was a pleasure. Brilliant, thank you so much, Carol, good luck with the book.

Thank you so much. Thank you, lots of love. Carol Vauderman, there, tha. Carderman there. before but now I'm in love. Oh just a great great human being love her. There she's great she's good value as well. She's so carefree and chilled out. Great value. Got a bit serious in the middle though which he thinks good sometimes isn't it? I loved it I loved it. Genuently Rob it was brilliant hearing you chat like that and I always thought it would take Carol Vauderman to pull that out of you. And I always thought it would th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th at th at that th at that that that that that that that that that that that that that that th at that that that that that that that that to that that that that that that that that that that that that that th. th. th. th th th th th the the the the the the the the the the the the their their their that that that that that that that that that that that that that, that, thr. thr. thro to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to thro to that thro that their the that th pull that out of you. And that was great though, thank you very much for listening guys

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