Parenting Hell with Rob Beckett and Josh Widdicombe - S7 EP6: Annie Mac

Episode Date: August 11, 2023

Joining us this episode to discuss the highs and lows of parenting (and life) is the brilliant DJ and author - Annie Mac. Annie's latest book 'The Mess We're In' is available now. Parenting Hell is a Spotify Podcast, available everywhere every Tuesday and Friday. Please leave a rating and review you filthy street dogs... xx If you want to get in touch with the show here's how: EMAIL: [e-mail] INSTAGRAM: @parentinghell MAILING LIST: parentinghellpodcast.mailchimpsites.com  A 'Keep It Light Media' Production  Sales, advertising, and general enquiries: [e-mail] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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where it's like you download it for free and like, or roadblocks and all that stuff where it's all online and minecraft. Rather they do something that's like that's like that's likethey get better at rather than like wandering around just chatting to, let's face it, paedophiles. So that's something that's going on. The other thing, Josh is my daughters said to me, dad what happens when you die? Tough question. They've seen you on never mind the buzzcocks. Watch me on what I lie to you. Never been rebooked. I'll also would say one of the most relaxed, comfortable and I'd say efficient panel show performers in comedy.

Chuck me on any panel show I can only deliver. I'll find my niche. I'll get a cup. I'm not going to say I'm the best but I will get something away and I'll back myself on a panel show. Right. Your Champions League panel show and I'll back myself on a panel show, right? Your Champions League panel show, and I'm quite happy to say I'm Everton. However, I was very much Plymouth mid-90s when I went on, would I lie to you? Well, they're rubbish in the midnight, because I've always been rubbish. Anyway, so they asked me about what happens when you die, but I think I've got a good answer. Tell me what you think about this and pick holes in it th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, I'm thi, I'm thi, I'm thi, I'm thi, I'm th, I'm th, I'm thi, I'm thi, I'm thi, I'm thi, I'm thi, I'm thi, I'm th, I'm th, I'm th, I'm th, I'm th, I'm th, I'm th, I'm th, I th, I th, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I'm thi, I'm thi, I'm thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thiiiiiiiiiii. thiiiiiiii. thiii, thi, thi, thi kids and I thought this is good. So I said, what happens when you die? Is it horrible? Is it scary? Is it bad? And I said, well, no, not really. I went, when you die, do you go to heaven? I was like, well, it depends what you think heaven is. If you're a Christian, you think heaven's a different place, you get different things. I'm not religious, but my sort of where I go and I die will be to nothing.

And there will just be nothing, and it will just be gentle and floaty, and just nothing there. But nothing, what will it be horrible? And I go, well, when you're dead, you're not alive anymore, okay? So before you're born, you're not alive. So what do you remember from before you were born? And they said, nothing. And I said, well, was it scary? Was it bad? How was it? How did it feel? And they said, well, we didn't feel anything. There was nothing. And I said, so when you die, you won't be alive, the same as you weren't alive before you're born? And it wasn't bad then. So why would it be bad? Well? Well? Well? Well? Well? Well? Well? Well? Well? Well? Well? Well? Well? Well? th th th th th th th th th th. to be th. to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be th. to be to be to be to be to be th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. be alive the same as you weren't alive before you were born and it wasn't bad then so why would it be bad when you die? There'd just be nothing. And it was fine before, so it'll be fine again. It's nice. And they were quite happy with that. But I can't stop thinking about nothing

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I know, it's my old boss, because when I got my first show on Radio One, he was like, why not make it snappy? Ah, I mean it's such a radio DJ cliches, I haven't, like Mac. I think it's cool. I like Annie Mac Mac. Do you like it? I don't like it. I think it's fiction Rob I don't know Annie might just didn't feel I have another name I have another name because also as well you were I imagine was you sort of making waves in radio around the time of Michelle McMannis would have been the most famous but manus because she won that singing competition who was Michelle

Macmannis she won pop idol she won pop idol an you're not into your music. So there's Mick McManus. Mick Mocmanus, the famous wrestler. Michelle McManus won Pop Idol in let me find it about 2003. Was it 2003? It was 2003. Was it? 20 years ago? Wow Josh you. Just to be clear I guess that. No he knows it. He watched too much tele when he was down in Devon. Let me look at Michelle McManus. Oh I remember Michelle MacManus. Yes. Yes. So I didn't know if it was too close to. No, no, she didn't like her existence did not sway that. Right, okay. It was a long shot but I thought. the that. A. A. A. A. the. the. the. th. th. the. th. th. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. M. M. M. M. M. M. M. M. M. M. M. M. M. M. M. M. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. M. M. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. I. the. M. M. M. M. M. M. M. M. M. M. M. M. M. M. M. M. M. M. M. M. M. M. M. M. M. M. M. M. M. M. M. M. M. M. M. M. M. M. M. M. M. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. that like two different characters like the character of Stuart Lee? No I mean I'd love to say like I go into a telephone box and like come out with a K-Pon and then I'm Annie Mac nothing of the sort it's exactly the same. So it's not a

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So do they listen to your show? So I'm not on the radio anymore but when I was, they did, yes, because I was on a dinner for six years. So they'd put that on so you can hear mom. So, they'd that on that on that that that that that that that that th. th. th. th. So you th. th. th. So you th. they'd they'd their they'd they'd they'd they'd they'd their their their their they'd their their their their their their their their to to to their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their th. th. th. th. th. th. the. the. th. th. the. th. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. their their the. there in the background and tea my husband would be cursing me while I did hottest record interviews and he was trying to bedtime. So how old are your kids? How many you got? What's the sound? So I've got two sons, Oshin is 10 and Riley is 6. Riley just lost his second front tooth so he's walking around looking like a pirate, he's got no front teeth at all. So that's a great phase. But I'm also also also about it because I feel like that's the last bastion of babydom. When they lose their baby teeth, it's really like, oh God. And also you've got boys and boys tend to just fuck off for years, don't they? And these are something that's stressing you out. That's the danger of boys. Yeah, I mean I'm sure they are. I haven't allowed to to to the to to the to th of myself myself myself myself myself myself myself myself myself myself myself myself myself myself myself myself myself myself myself myself myself myself myself myself myself myself myself myself myself myself to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the to to to to to to to to to their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their. their. their. their. their. their. their th. th. th. the. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. that's. their. their. their. their. to think that far ahead yet to be honest. I'm getting in your head. No, no, but I also think that boys actually like in teenager, I mean this is all myth stuff that I've chosen to believe, but that they kind of their moms as teenagers like as in they there's not that kind of like hormonal

like conflict. Yes, yes. Because I've got two girls, I know already when they get to that age they are going to hate each other and I'm going to be the guy in the middle of going to come down a bit. Yeah, please. Whereas my boys like beat the shit out of each other but it's quickly healed. Yeah, yeah. It's quite remarkable how in a flash they can go from you know abject, to be grand, it never fails to stand. It never fails. to me, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, come, come, come, come, come, come, come, come, come, come, come, come, come, come, come, come, come, come, come, come, come, come, come, come, their, come, come, their, their, their, come, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, to be, to me. to me. to me. to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, their, their, their, the up with their mom, they're either like totally dependent and just off, you hardly see him to the point the mom gets the hump, or still their mummy's little soldier getting their washing done. Which were you? Yeah, which were you?

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taste in music he's got an old iPod of mine from when I used to it used to judge the Mercury Prize you know that music prize you know that music prize yeah and you always get given an iPod with all the albums on it yes yes deadly so I gave him my old iPod which he's got like a hundred excellent albums on it but it's funny the ones that he gravitated towards. So his musical tastes all from the exact same year. Yeah he's just into the the hundred best albums. In 2016. Yeah yeah yeah but he's also like his dad is a music producer and his dad makes rap music so there's a lot of rap music around and Tee my husband he's not the type of dad that would like sit cross-lago the to go go go go go go go go the the the to to the the to. to. I I I I I I I I I I I. I. I. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's the th. He's the the the the the the the the the th. He's a th. He's a th. He's a th. He's a th. He's a t. He's t. He's t. He's t. He's the tas. He's the tas. He's the the th. He's the type of dad that would like sit cross-legged on the ground and like build a castle out of Lego he's just not that guy but what he does do for fun with them is they'll be bored

and be like can we make a music video dad or can we make a song he'll sit there and he'll sample them and they'll pretend to rap songs out of that so they have this whole kind of thick so th I th so th so th so th so they they they they they they they they that so they they they they they th they they that so they th th that that they they they they they th they they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they they they they they they they they they they they they they th they th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th thin thin thin thin the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the they'll they'll they'll they'll the th So they have this whole kind of discography of them from childhood or what you're fucking out. That's cool. That's cool. On rap songs which is kind of cool. But I also think you're so privileged. You're so lucky like like you can be around your mate's house and be like what do you mean we can't make a rap song? What do you mean your dad don't sample me? They're used to that that that which is kind of a thi... thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. the. the. the. that that that that that that, that. that that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's to that's to to that's to to to that's to to to that, to that, th. that's that's th. that's that's th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. th. th. the. the. the. the. that's cool the. that's cool that's cool that's cool, that's cool, that's cool, that's cool. that's cool. that's cool. thing that happened to me when I was a kid was that one of my dad's mates came to a barbecue with some McDonald's patty's frozen that had been stolen that we cooked on our barbecue. That was exciting. These are actual patties from a McDonald's that are frozen that we are cooking now. But it's amazing, isn't it? There different networks, the children can be around.

Rob, that would go down so well in our house. They're obsessed with McDonald's. I know, I'm not saying, but your family's all music and pure music. So if your kids got into music and were an artist, they'll get loads of grief for that because of who the parents are, and the parents are the parents, the parents, the parents, the parents, the parents, the parents, the parents, the parents, the parents, the parents, the parents, their parents, their parents, their parents, their parents, their parents, their parents, their parents, their parents, their their, their, their, their their, their, their, th. They're they're they're they're, they're, they're, they're, they're they're, they're, they're, they're, they're they're they're, their they're, they're they're they're they're they're they's, they's, they's, they's, they's, they's, they's, they's they's they're they're they're th....... they're they're tho, tho, tho, tho-s.... they're tho-s. thoa' thoa' thoa' thoa' thooooo-s. they're they what I mean? It's mad, isn't it? Whereas if you'd worked in McDonald's Rob, people are going. They'd be like, this guy knows how to cook him already because of his dad's mate. This isn't fair, it's nepotism. This guy's employer the month, month after the month after his history with these frozen patties. Do you take your kids to festivals that? No. No. No, I'm not. I not that I not. I not that I not that I not that I not. I not that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that's not that's not that's not that's not that's not that's that's not that that that the their their their their their their that their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their. It is their their th. th. th. that. that. th. the. thea. tha. thea. tha. theat. tha. tha. tha. It's is that. from me, the ones I choose to stay at. I've

seen too many screaming children and pissed-off looking parents at festivals to feel like I want to do it. Now I am about to contradict myself because I have a festival next Thursday in West London which is where I live. Yeah. And they'd be more and more curious about me. And I thought I could bring them in for an hour and they can just sound and see me DJ and then. But then then. But. But. But. But. But. But. But. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. they're. their. their. they's. they're. their. they's. they's. they's. they're. they're. their. their. they're. they're. they. they. they. they. they're. they're. they're. I'm. I. I'm. I. I. I. I. I. they're. they're. they. they. I. the. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. th. I. th. I'm. th. th. th. I'm. I'm. th. th. th. I'm. th. th. th. th. th. they're. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I. I'm. I could bring them in for an hour and they could just sound and see me DJ and then but we're not camping or no thank you. And there were people at our gig at Glastonbury that had a three month old baby right that they brought to Glastonbury and they were very proud to tell the whole room that that baby was conceived at Glastonby last year and I just thought you two are fucking disgusting. And I said that out loud. Did you? Yes, I went, this is disgusting. You're not normal. What did they say? I don't, I wasn't, I've got a microphone they have and that's how I like it any. They turn around and walked out in tears. Do you know what? If someone comes to a Rob Beckett gig, that's what they want they they they they they they they want they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they to to th. They to to to to to to to th. They to to to to to to to to th. They're to to to to to to to to to to to to to say to say to say to say to say to say. I said. I to to to th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. th. I th. th. I th. I th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. the. the. the. the. to to the to to to to to to to to to to say to say Beckett gig, that's what they want. It turns out, that's what they want.

They just want to be abused. They just want to be abused. They just want to be abused. No, I agree. I actually, I have friends who have conceivediving at Glastonbury. What does Possible sound like for your business? It's having to spend to power your scale with no preset spending limit. Redefined possible with Business Platinum. That's the powerful backing of American Express.

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like, I'm just off to hang out with Harry Stiles in Dublin for the day? They didn't give a shite. I don't think they even are that aware of who he is yet. Yeah. So no, I didn't impress him there. I actually have to do careers day in school tomorrow. Oh, do you? Yeah, I've got to go in and talk to the year 5s and 6 is about my career.

And I said to ushing this morning, I was like, so who can I say, that I've interviewed that will like, people will be impressed by? Like, if I say Robin. It's a free one on us. Okay, thank you. But I don't really know what them lot are into. Stormsy's surely. I'm gonna say Stormsy and Dave. Yeah. Harry Stiles. I'm gonna say do a leaper. Taylor. Dewelaper. Adele. George Ezra? They might know if they'd know. Yeah, I'm gonna. they be a bit depressing for a 10 year old yeah yeah true the teachers would love it though yeah they would as you see the sadness in their eyes after a long term I bet they'll be listening to a bit of that I'm gonna impress both of

them and how long is your talk the talk the talk is half an reel out a few photos later. Oh yeah, if in doubt PowerPoint. Couple of photos are some famous people. I don't know. I haven't thought about it, guys. I really need to. We'll see how it goes. I just have to not embarrass him and I'll be all right. He's gonna be all the tool. Aw, that is stressful.

That's the kind of stuff you, Annie, I'm sorry. Oh God! But that was just the kind of stuff you've got to consider, isn't it, surely? I think the way to do it is go in hard with a couple of jokes about your son to let them know who's boss early doors. Oh my god. I suggested that this morning and all she was like Mack or Annie McManus? I don't know. I haven't thought about it. You're going to straddle both worlds. Oh God, I don't know. They'll be talking about DJ and so I'll be Annie Mac.

Yeah, okay. So I did a talk, when there was a teacher, when there was a teacher the school in Thames mead, it's very very very very very, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's but it's like she sees the kids she taught. It's bad. They also always take the Mickey out of her wonky glasses and they stole her iPod once. Poor old blue. Anyway, they asked me, I'd done like one year on I'm a Celebrity. Nobody knew who I was. The spin-off show of I'm a Celebrity and I'm on it for like 10 minutes because it's mainly Laura Whitmer interview in the people in the jungle....... their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, th, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, their, their, and I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I, their, their, their, their, their, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, oh, their, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh off the telly to go and do like a speech. And I'm not saying this getting your head and EMAQ. It was the worst 10 minutes of my life because they didn't know who I was and I was still driving a Nissan Micra at the time and they saw me pull up and I was like, who the fuck listens to anyone driving a Nissan Micahua about careers? Oh, oh right. And it was tough. And it was it was thian, yeah, you should go back now and go, look at me. Look at me.

But I would say, whipping out people that you've met and things you've done at the top to establish why they should listen is key. Yeah. Because other than that, you are just someone's mom. So if you go, so and so-in, so-it. Harry Stiles and I do this. Yes. And it feels very anti-British sort of like, oh no but you've got to just go balls deep with this is what I've done I've done pretty well actually from this background and this is how you can do it. And just be unashamably this is what's going on. Yeah. Could you get a voice

note from Harry or Stormsy to introduce you?. You should make sure she listens. She knows her shit Maybe not shit. Oh my god. That's a genius move Rob. Exactly. So look what happened here on you read I panicked her but now we've come to a resolution I'm gonna thank you tomorrow. That'll be great you'll smash it. What times you talk? I have to be there 10 a ten a.m. I am I tm. I am. I am. I am. I am. I have tha. I have tha. I have to the t. I have to the to the tha. I have to the the the the the to the to the the the that's that's that's that's a that's a that's a their. I have that's a that's a that's a that's a that's a that's a their. I have their. I have their. I have their. I have their. I their. I their. I their. I their. I their. I their. I their. I their. I their. I their. I their. I their. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I t. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I have. I'm. I have. I have. I have. I have. I have. I have. I have. I have. I'm. I'm. I t school? No. So I basically joined my oldest kids parent WhatsApp group when he was in year four. Really? Okay, wow. I actively did not have anything to do with that world. It'd be like Italy during the war. Yeah I was kind of like I'm busy. I've got a really big career. I mean everyone must be like fuck. Oh you said I'm too busy for this shit you fucking th. I said that to tea. I was like you like you like you you like you you you you you you you you you you you the you to to to to to the to to to to the to the to to to to the to to to to to the to to to to to to to to the the to the to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to their. I'm kind their. I'm their. I was kind their. I was kind their. I was kind their. I was kind their. I was kind their their their their their their their their their their their. I their. I their. I was kind. I was kind. I was kind. I'm their. I'm their. I'm their their their. I said that to tea I said that you need to do the WhatsApp group take one for the team. Oh right sorry okay yeah you said it to the group guys

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he lives in a ball. No, Sarah also had like really good birth. So I was like, okay, I'm gonna listen to these girls and see what they have to say. And they come from the school of like nature, nature, medicines there, of course if you need it, but you should try and do it naturally. Sarah Cox is out on a horse in the fields all day, isn't she? She's that kind of person. Yeah, the book that they gave me is a book from the 70s in which every man has a huge beard and it's all about like a band of travelers, right? It's like a nomadic tribal people in America and this one woman who was the midwife, for all of them, and th... their th. And their, their, their, their, their, their, and their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, th. th. Their, th. Their, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, is th. Their, is th. The book, is th. th. The book, is th. The book, is, is th. is th. is, is, is, is th. is, is, is, is, is th. is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is a their, is, is a their, is a their, is a their, is a their, is a book, is a book, their, their, their, their, their, their. Yeah, their. Yeah, their. Yeah, their. Yeah, their. Yeah, their. Yeah, their. Yeah, their. Yeah wrote the book. So it's all pictures of like how you should snog before the birth because it what's the word beginning with oh help me out lads. Oxytocin? Oxytocin thank you. You know how did I get that? Where does that from? Yeah well done mate. Where's that buried away? So what point in the birth are you snogging sorry? Before so in all the lead up you're supposed to snogging? In to to snog and to snog and to snog and to snog? to snogging. to snogging. to to snogging. to to snogging. to snogging. to to to to snogging. to to to to to to to to to the to their the their their to their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to actually. What's his book? Get a bit sexy? If I said to Lulu, look I've read a book I've got to give you a kit and grab your tits and it helps with a

birth. While she's in labor. Yeah, while she's in labor. Get the gas and air at your mouth come here. Imagine being in the hospital and you're getting off with your wife while she's the birth th th. th th th th th th th th th th th the th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the thu. I the the. I the. I the the. I the. I the the. I the. I the. I've toldld to to to to to tothat I didn't really follow any of the advice. Right. Poor old tea. The labor world was the most stressful and ferocious experience of my life. Do you mind sharing? I'll fucking love it? Let's share it. So basically I woke up at six a.m on a Monday morning. My mom had come over to stay. I went down to my mom was like, it's on. Something's happening. We dragged tea out of bed and then he was in charge of timing the contractions, right? The classic. Give them a purpose. Got your fucking their producer doing it on BPM, exactly, right? He fuced forgetting when the contraction started. So the timings were all over the place.

I was trying to stay calm. I puked up in the kitchen sink. My man was like, this looks like it's happening quite quickly. I think you should go to the hospital. And I was like, no, it's fine. We're only on four minutes. It's grand. We need more. going so quickly delirious, it was pretty painful. It was getting painful, it was getting scary. It was getting like, I'm scared now because it's a sore

and I don't really know, and I'm not in control. So T then it's his job to call the taxi, it's addie Lee, it's late. Oh my God, not a taxi. It's Monday morning, right? So we then drive to the hospital, which which is half, which is half, which is half, which is half, which is half, which is half, which is half, which. which is half an hour's drive away, it's rush hour. Okay? I am sitting in the back of the car on a folded towel,

right, because my water is still haven't broken. And I am cursing every person under the sun. How's the cab driver dealing with this? Not very well. I make everyone in the car say the Lord's prayer. Absolutely. I think the driver try to Google it. I mean the poor driver I made him break the law. We were in a traffic jam.

You're gonna have to fucking drive out on the wrong side of the road all the way down this traffic jam until we're able to turn this corner. You have to do it and he did it. Good on him. I still to this day feel awful. . You to to to to to? Yeah, it's the electrics thing. Yeah, it gives you these little electric jolts and they happen at the same time as a contraction

and it kind of distills the pain a little bit. And it was working pretty well and then we got out of the cab and at this point it was fucking agony and we got into a, I don't what happened to the poor taxxxxxxxxx, tax, tax, the the the tax, the the the ta, the the ta, the ta, ta, the ta, ta, ta, tha, tha, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and the the to to to to to to to th. And, and th. And, and th. And, and th. And, and th. And, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th th th th that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that that that, that that that that that that that that that that that that to the poor taxi driver. My mom looked like she'd seen a ghost. She sat outside. She started knitting a baby's cardigan while I went into the labor ward. And I walked into the labor ward and apparently, this is what I said. I kind of burst in the door and went, let's get this fucking show on the road. Like off my head and I was, couldn't get my trousers off and was panicking and I and just bellowing at people and cursing. T you had to apologize for my cursing. They've heard it before surely they've heard bad. I should hope so. And then finally this little lady, this little Spanish lady came up to me and just kind of

grabbed me by the shoulders and I think she was the head midwife and she they're the shouting isn't going to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to to to to to to to to the to the to the the to to the the the the the their. I. I was, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm their.... I'm, I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I, I I, I I I, I, I, I, I, I, I'm to to to to the to the the the the the the tho, I'm the thoes. I'm sorry, I'm going, th. I'm not the th. I'm not thooo' the th the th th th the they. I'm the the the gonna listen to me now. And you know when someone just takes control? And I nearly fucking kissed her. I was like, thank you. That would have helped. We had oxytocin. It might have helped the oxytocin. But somebody knows what they're doing here. Yeah.

I'm okay. And then she got me in the forward. Oh my God! I nearly had the baby in the cab. It was- I was gonna say, no wonder the cab driver didn't know what to do if who's looked in his mirror instead of nine centimeters dilated at the back three. Nine, I swear to God, nine centimeters. Oh man. So actually getting in the water, all it did is I would have liked to be at the hospital a bit earlier and for the second one I was and that also the baby arrived in like five hours a second time but let me

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I mean this little scammed he'd like a wallop in the head with the camera. I can't believe I let him take photos all the way through. Do you ever look back at them? I do and it's so emotional and mad to see them. I'm glad they exist basically. Yeah, right. They're good. But when the second baby was of anything, the thing that people eat that the baby... Placenta.

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on the floor on a towel, right? And it was enormous, with the placenta. It was enormous. And it was the blue. And they got every midwife in the entire like birthing ward to come in and look at it. So he has this picture picture picture picture picture picture picture picture picture picture picture picture picture picture picture picture this picture picture this picture this picture this picture this picture this picture this picture this picture picture this picture this picture this picture this picture this picture this picture this picture this picture this picture this picture. this picture. this picture. their their their their their their their their their their tooomomomomomomom. tooom. their. their. their. their. their. It's. It's. It's, their. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He's, he. He's, he. He's the the t. He's t. He's t. He's t. It's t. It's t. I. It's t. I. I. I. It's t. I. t. t. te. te. te. the, t. the, the. the, slimy thing with like six women all kneeling around, like staring at it like, and me just in the corner like a whale. And the whole thing is just so surreal. So why were they so into it? Because it had a knot in it, which apparently is very dangerous because the knot could the baby's neck. So obviously I was feeling very lucky, but also what the fuck?

Can everyone leave that? I'm going to have my toast. And you weren't tempted to keep the umbilical cord and placenta as a... Not for a second. I'm so happy to see the end of it. Don't want to keep the rope. Get rid of the rope. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This episode is brought to you by Nespresso. Elevate your morning coffee ritual. From the first sip of coffee in the morning to the on-the-go cup. Make every morning unforgettable with Nisprosso. Discover a world of possibilities with or without milk. Visit Nispresso.C.A. to their to learn more or a Nespresso bouti near you.

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So suddenly, where I felt like I used to be kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind of the people I was DJing to. I'd have a couple of vodka tonics, be a bit loose and wouldn't really be thinking about anything. Now I was thinking about breastfeeding, I was thinking about baby at home. You'd look into the audience and you'd see these adults who now I saw essentially as children. I was like, you are 19. And is someone helping this girl? Because she looks fucked. And suddenly I became this kind of protective maternal person who was worried for everybody's welfare and kind of freaked out by how wasted everyone was.

And I don't know, you just see it in a whole different life. When you're responsible for keeping someone alive, then you're kind of looking at everyone else thinking, you see the child in everyone, I suppose. And also you're just not really like when the kids got bigger I'd be DJN remembering I hadn't packed their school lunch. This is not what I should be thinking now at 2 a.m. in Bournemouth. I should be thinking how wild this is and whatever. For a while I just felt like I wasn't on a level in a way that wasn't okay.

But it all kind of balanced out of it. Did you find, because I struggled with, maybe I only really just got a handle on it in the last year or two, was the losing my social life and stuff like that. And did you find that, because obviously you're working in an industry that's full of exciting parties and all that kind of stuff, did you find that? So my job was so social and I was lucky in that my friends all knew when I was DJing, for them it's an easy night out, straight up guest list, free rider. So whenever I had a gig, I would always have friends about because they would just come. So I was very lucky in that way. I didn't really have to orchestrate much of a social gathering. So I didn't find it too hard socially. You're social, I've just changed. But I just don't give a shit anymore. I quite like like like to to to me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me. I'm like to to their. I'm like th. I'm like th. I'm like th. I'm like th. I'm like th. I'm th. I'm the to to to the to the to their to their their their to to to to to to have to have to have to have to have to have to have their. I'm their. I'm their. I'm their. I'm their. I'm their. I'm their. I'm their. I'm their. I'm their. I'm their. I'm. I'm their. I'm their. I'm their. I'm their. I'm their. I'm their. I'm their. I'm their. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm s. S. I'm s. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm don't give a share anymore. I quite like sitting indoors.

Yeah, no, I hear you. I don't know if I'm weird and I've given up or it's just what you have to accept, you know what I mean? But I quite enjoy that. I'm with you more than ever. But I have to say I felt weird socially as a mom. And I think a kind tho th people really well, well enough to go, I'm fucking miserable, I hate this, what's going on. Then you have to put on a front. And you get the sense that everyone's doing that and no one's really being honest.

So because of that, I did step away from that a bit. I was one of the first of my friends to have a baby. So I did feel like I didn't really have anyone really close to me that could really get it. Actually Sarah, Sarah Cox was amazing, she lives up the road and I have a sister who was a bed ahead of me so that was good. Yeah, I didn't really go for the mum groups very much. What was Sarah Cox like as a kind of, not shoulders to cry on but like she's the best. She's very chilled, we spoke to her on this. Did you? She's always been very inspiring to me and her husband and her husband Ben th. th. th. th. th. to be th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th th th th th thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi. thi. thi thi thi thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, I th. Yeah, I th. Yeah, I th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. Yeah, thi. I thi. I theeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee thi. thi. caring, super committed, but also just trust their kids and their kids are such good kids. Their middle kid is, I think he's 15, and I go up there with my two little boys and they're just like, they love him. And like a 15 year old boy is probably like, oh get out. This guy plays football with them in the garden the whole time. And it's just like you're so good, you're 15, you should be up playing PlayStation. Yeah. And they don't have to tell them to do that. He's just

that kid. So I always find them really inspiring and also I kind of looked to them a lot for advice because they're just a few years ahead of us. So I know when Oshene hits 13 I'll be on the phone to her go and help. And I do I do I do I do I do I the the phone to to to to their I the phone to their their their to their their their their their to be on their their their their their to be on their their their their their the phone the phone their their to be on to be on to be on to be on to to to to to their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their th. I's th. I's th. I'll th. I'll the. I'll the. I'll to be on. I'll te. I'll te. I'll te. I'll to to to to told. I'll to the. I'll the example of how to work and parent and do both well and sustain it. Well, you're both now authors. You're not DJ. Well you are DJs. Yeah, but you're the classic author DJs. This is a dream job, right? It's mad. Yeah, it is mad. We share a lot of frustrations about writing. Do you? I bought your book for this? That's so nice of you. We should have sent you one at least. No, thank you. I'm really enjoying it. I've started reading it after Glastonbury. Well, it's perfect. It's perfect. My friend brought it on Kindle, to Glastonbury,

which I thought was bizarre. Because she said it's just the right type of book to read a glassinb and I was like fair, because to do a lot of research into that character? So she is not me. Every interview, not me. But the thematically, yes, of course. The whole writing what you know was definitely something I wanted to do. Because like, I did live with my brother's band in 2001.

So that was a mad time. And it was definitely something I wanted to write about, but also remember. So it was a good exercise in having to talk to people from that era and just kind of remember what it was like. And also just being an Irish person in London, which is something I'd never really had time to think about before now. and that was, and that was, and th. And, and th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. that, that, but, but, to, but, but, but, but, to, but, to, to, but, to to, to to to to to to, to, but, but, but, but, to, to, but, to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to write, to write, to write, to write, to to write, to to to to to to th. th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thrown, thrown, thrown, thrown, thrown, thrown, the, thrown, the, thrown, thi. thrown, thi. thi, thi, thi. to to think about before now and that was definitely something I wanted to explore. There's loads of scenes in an old Irish pub Rob with loads of

L fellas. You know those fellas you see in Irish pub to like stare into their pints? Yeah, they're kind of relics so there's a lot of them and that was fun I had to make friends with my local land to the land and now I'm a proper regular there. Oh what for research? Yeah I interviewed I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I interviewed I interviewed I interviewed I interviewed I interviewed I interviewed I interviewed I interviewed I interviewed I interviewed I interviewed I interviewed I interviewed I interviewed I interviewed I interviewed I interviewed I interviewed I interviewed I interviewed I interviewed I interviewed I interviewed I interviewed I interviewed I interviewed I interviewed I interviewed I interviewed I interviewed I interviewed her I interviewed her I interviewed her I interviewed her I interviewed her I interviewed her two or three times. I'll start writing some more if it means I can get shit-faced and chat to the land. Listen, what's not to love? There's write another book, Lou, I'll be back at 1 a.m. Yeah, yeah. Did you enjoy it?

Yeah, I did enjoy writing, actually very much enjoyed writing it, yeah. Is that something you've always read loads. But then like radio came along, so you're not gonna wanna do anything else when you do that. Like life is great. Like this is a fucking dream career and DJing like, but it was only when I was 40. Are you guys 40?

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hardcore mate. So you were so hardcore you had to do a drawing call. What kind of drawing? Was it live drawing? Like, drawing? Was it live drawing? Like, a drawing. A.m. I'm drawing a mug and a scarf. I chose to draw a mug at a sketching. Sketching a mug at it's 8 a.m. on Zoom with a pre-recorded at 8 a.m. It wasn't pre-recorded at 8 a.m. But it was always pre-recorded by the time I came to it at 3 p.m. I think there's like a desire to learn something new. That's what I have. I was like, I fucking love to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to their to to myself. I want to learn. I just want to do something different. Do you think that's the turning 40 made you want to do that?

Yeah, you're forced to look at yourself and look at your life and you're forced to look backwards and you're forced to kind of come out with those milestone birthdays. They just make you be like, okay, fuck, my area is entirely parents of young. It's so not cool. That was my idea with Josh was because he still lives in like East Sundays, you're very cool and young. You feel like, when I go around to see him, I feel really old, whereas I live in Kent and I feel good. I feel young, I feel, you feel young, I feel thiiiii thi th. th. thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi their thi thi their thi their thi their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their, their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their too, too, too, too, too, too, too, tool. tooea' tooea' tool. tool. tooe. tooea tooe. tooea tooe. tooe. the like, you feel vibrant. That's why you're comfortable sitting in at night in your slippers. I feel so young, I feel that there's so much ahead of me when I see the old people that live near me. But if you are with other parents then maybe 40, it's just a time people reflect on

their age, but I decided to dress up. No, no, Rose was unhappy of how he was dressing. No, that's not. So she made him put on these hush puppy shoes. No but that's what I mean you do start seeing yourself from a remove I suppose yeah so did you start dressing worse as well or do you still dress normally oh come on now Rob come on I don't think I did I don't think I drastically change how I dressed did your husband make you change your clothes most of my own let's me change for clothes I made the decision myself. Let's be very clear on that. My husband is seven years younger than me. Oh, respect, Annie actually. Good work. Well, sometimes he's six. I prefer those times. Yeah. But mostly he's seven years

younger than me. So I've always been super conscious of how much older I am than him. So fortunately I was like, oh God. Because when I was met him, I was like like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I'm 40 40. I was like, I'm 40. I was like, I'm 40. I'm 40. I'm 40. I'm 40. I'm 40. I'm 40. I'm 40. I'm 40. I'm 40. I'm 40. I'm 40. I'm th. I'm 40. I'm 40. I'm to. I'm to. I'm to. I'm to. I'm to. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to.'m 40, you're going to be 33. Yeah. But actually it's grand, it doesn't matter. Yeah, she says that. Wait till I'm 70. Seventy. Sixty. Yeah, 63, who cares after 60? Do you know? Yeah, maybe. So much, how old were you when you met him? I was 30? And he was 24? thirty and he was 24? th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I was th. I was th. I was th. I was th. I was th. I was th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thee. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. th. th. th. th. th. became a dad at 28. He became a dad quite young. Well, it's not that young at all. No, I was 29 when I was a dad. I think it's just in the kind of world we live in, in the kind of TV and radio worlds, people do have kids much later. Much later. Especially around where I am in Northwest London, like you get loads of women in their 40s, having their first kid. It's pretty normal. One more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. their, th. their, th. th. th. their, th. I'm, th. th. their, their, I'm, I'm, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I I I I I's, I I I I's, I I. I. I. I's, I. I. I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I'm, I's, I'm th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm the the the th. I was. It's pretty normal. One more question on the book. Yeah, sure. Because it is full of drug taking. When I read back the first draft I was like, oh God, there's a lot going on there.

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Oh, that there'll be a couple of squares. Oh, yes. That well she will end up being an accountant who's deeply embarrassed of me. No, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't see how talked about. So I can say like it's part of the conversation without it being like sit down we need to talk. Yeah of course. You know what I mean? I definitely want to be that mom where like all his mates come over here. Like this is my little office here where we are. Yeah. I am fully willing to dedicate this when he's 14 to him and all his friends just to come overbles. You don't want to be rolling the joints or ordering it in for them. Of course not. Oh my God no. There's always one alcoholic care in them. They'll be like yeah come around to mine

and I'll have drinks but like you just don't want to drink a trin' now you got a to do you. Yeah yeah, yeah. There's a kind of one of each like I love a drink yeah they always see me like having a glass of wine here and then but he doesn't so they've got a bit of both yeah do you think you'd like them to read the book what age would you go I think this is for you now I don't know I think you'd have to be teenager 13 maybe ideally older but 35 yeah 35 yeah I'd make him read them in order I'd make him read them in order. Like, so Mother Mother, my first novel is nowhere near as hedonistic. So I'd make him read that first and then maybe he'll be shut off and he'll be think it's boring and won't want to read the third when you write, he has to read it whilst on an E. Yeah. Full circle. Yeah, full circle. That's what I'm going to do. I don't know how. The drugs chat is fascinating. the the the the thia. thia. thiiiiiii. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. Yeah. Yeah. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. Yeah. th. Yeah. th. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. th. th. thi. thi's what I'm going to do. I don't know how the drugs chat

is fascinating. It is. Yeah it really is. It's an interesting one. I think it just need to talk as long as it's something that is not taboo. Yeah. Not encouraged but not to be. Yes, exactly. It's interesting, isn't it? Because I find the thought of those chats more to find, but I know that the right thing that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that to be that to be that to be to be to be the the that that to be to be to be the to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be the the to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be the their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their. their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their tha. tha. tha. thau. tha. tha. tha. tha. thas. tha. thas. thas. thas. thas. tha. to do if that makes sense. I think definitely. I think the key is to not make it a chat. Yeah or try and be like too chilled about it like. Yeah so like but you know what was interesting when we took Oshin to his first, Oshin's a Sheffield United Supporter because his dad's from she took him to Brown Lane and we were sat opposite the first time he's seen a kind of concentration of really drunk people. Yeah. And he was pretty scared. He was like, God, it's so aggy. And if you've never been to a football match, it was quite a lot.

But actually it's really good training for him to know how drunk people behave and act and they're loud and they're Larry or whatever and not be scared of that. And it's not going to encourage you to do's, I go bring them to the local Irish pub now and they sit and watch football and eat crisps. And I was brought up in pubs, I remember so I've got really sensory memories of a kid sitting in the pub waiting for my dad to finish its smithics and like drinking or whatever. So I think it's good for them to be around different types of people and understand. That's the real world, you know. Because a lot of younger people now, they're totally not into drinking and drugs and all that kind of stuff. It's a really different culture isn't it? Yes. Your children might be into the gym. Oh my god they'd be all hench. Meatheads. It's so true.

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the gym. That's just like, they just want to get the gym membership. Brilliant. When I was at school of going to the gym, was so far from my idea of what I was going to do with my time. There wasn't such a thing as a gym you go to. It would be like, just go for a run or something, or jump up play sport for the sake of playing sport. It wasn't strategic was it? It wasn't, yeah. And the whole phone thing, like when do you guys think you'll give your kids phones? Secondary school? The secondary school, probably. First year of secondary school is a sort of not confirmed plan I think, but...

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Oh, that's a win for you. So you're going to have to get him a Nokia? They said Nokia's grand, like a burner, a little one is fine, but any sort of smartphone, not okay. They said they think they're too young to deal with them. But they can have a phone that, you know, cross-county, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, the, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, tho, tho, tho, tho, thi, thi, thi, thi, thia, thia, thia, thia, thia. They're thia. They're thia. They're thia. They're thia. They're thia. They're thia. They're their, their, their, their, their, th. They, th. They, th, th, th, th, th, th. They, th, th. They's, th. They's, th. They's, tha, tha, tha, thi. They're thr. thr. throwneea. They're togn, thi. They're thi. They're thi. They're thi. They're's a bad one. Do you want to ask the final question, Josh? Yeah, we always finish on the same question, which is, it's a two-part question. First part is if there's one thing that your partner does, that's an incredible piece of parenting that makes you so happy that you're with them and they're the father of your child. And the second part is the one one one one one one one one one one one one onethey to listen to this this is your way of... God I wish you prepared me

for that. We do think that every time we do think we've got to start thinking about that. Now I quite like people being put on the back foot. We just put on the spot yeah. I like the theme of people panicking. I mean you're asking what they what the feeling they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to th. th. th. th. th. th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. the the the the the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the the the an the the the the the th now. I would say the thing that I like is that he's a fucking Egypt in the best possible way. I mean yeah asking what they each we put something in the fridge did panic me to be honest when you first talking about that is insane. No but I mean like he's he was in Egypt about parenting then but he's just silly so he's a lot of joke and a lot of joke. So there's a lot of joke thi the joke the joke the joke the joke the joke the joke the joke the joke the joke the joke the joke the joke the joke the joke the joke their their their their their their their their their their their their their there's there's there's there's there's their there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their th's th's tho's tho's tho's thooo's thoo's thooooo's thooo's thooooo's their their their their their their their them soak that up from him and feel like they could be Egypt's too, if you know what I mean. So there's a lot of jokes, that's a good thing. I think because dad sometimes in the past was like they sit in their chair with a paper and they there's no emotion. So I do think that maybe we're doing it wrong and being too

silly going too far the other way but when I was growing up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up it was growing up was growing up was there was there was there was there was always always always uncle or men as it were like old men just sit there miserable drinking or not talking. And you kind of see them over the top of the paper just kind of like yeah no completely so he's definitely not that guy I would say the thing that I I think and we would all agree in the family probably including him it's just the phone like we've had to have a couple of interventions where he just has to get off his fucking phone. And it's like, I know it's not malicious. He's got addictive tendencies and phones are addictive. Yeah. He's sober, but he can still be addicted to your phone. Well, do you know what you need to do?

Just leave your phone? I mean, I've put his phone in the bin before. Like, I really have to- That's an expensive way to deal with it. Honestly. But I just leave it upstairs for a few hours. They live in a bungalow Josh, so think of. I mean you think that would be simple he would just go up and get it. Like sometimes he was just go and get it. Just go and get it. Just go and get it. Just go and get it. It'll just make an excuse, go the toilet and then end up sat in the to the toilet for 35 minutes on WhatsApp. No, but it is hard because it's built to get your attention. I was got addicted to his bubble shooter again. And I was just on it all the time.

And I was just on it all the time. to the point right the whole time. I wanted to go up and get his phone and fucking drop it in his drink. I should. She's there. Like, what does he say to her? And that's the thing, but we're as bad. In his defense, the today. if Romano's done a here we go on a Declan Rice and Arsenal. Like Oshin is that but with football. Are you into football?

I've become, I mean I can tell you everything about Sheffield United. I've become so into football inadvertently because of him. That's what my mom did with Jim thrown. There's a limit to how much I want to %. Yeah, totally. It's been an absolute joy. The book is called The Mess We're In. It's out now. I'm really enjoying it. I'm really enjoying it.

I'm really appreciate it. Let me know how you go. And I really hope it doesn't make you become a drinker again. No, it won't. It won't. It works think that's good. Just he could just give you bullet points. Exactly then I know and I could just next time I'll see but oh that bit in the book blah yeah and then we'll be best mates and it'll go from there. Next time you got a book out you come on Rob can go I've got a price you the last one oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh the last one the last one the last one the last one oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh the last the last the last the last the last the last I'll the the the the the the the last I'll the last I'll the last I the last I the last I the last I the last I the last I the last I the last I the last I the last I the last I the last I the last I the last I the last I the last I the last I the last I the last I the last I the last I the last one I the the the the the the the the the the the the th the th the I'll the the the the they. I've the they. the the the the the the the the the the the the the great understanding. I do the research.

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Tell us a little bit. Tell us a good DJ. I like her. She's actually a good DJ. We're sometimes DJ's on Radio 1. Yeah. She's actual DJ DJ, isn't she? She like does sets. Do you went to see her at Glastonbury or have you got it out your system sober? I got a new way of experiencing it through being sober. I was in the healing fields at 8.30 in the morning. I was unbearably... I don't think I'd do it all three days, but I only did three days because Elton John

was on the Sunday. Yeah, you probably would have just come home on Sunday. I wouldn't as much as I, I wouldn't, as much as I enjoyed, Sovie Lis Bexter. And she was excellent. But Annie Mack, the mess friends out now, listen to our podcast changes. Rob, will we be back on Tuesday? Can you confirm that? Always. Always, man. Deaf taxes us on a Tuesday. Bye.

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