Parenting Hell with Rob Beckett and Josh Widdicombe - S8 EP16: Shaun Keaveny

Episode Date: March 1, 2024

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Hello, I'm Rob Beckett. And I'm Josh Winnockham. Welcome to Parenting Hell, the show in which Josh and I discuss what it's really like to be a parent, which I would say can be a little tricky. So, to make ourselves and hopefully you feel better about the trials and tribulations of modern-day parenting, each week we're chatting to a famous parent about how they're coping. Or hopefully how they're they're tha be hearing from you the listener with your tips, advice and of course, tales of parenting woe. Because let's be honest, there are plenty of times when none of us know what we're doing.

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Can you see Rob Baker? Uh-hmm. Oh good then. Look better. Can you see Josh Whitticum? Josh Whitticam? That was a good, you're a parent of Josh Whitak and you read it. Roeck better. Haugh, better. Good job, Pauls. That is a brilliant one.

Scotland. Loved it. Love the Scottish accent. Glasgow? Yes. I always find it really funny when little Loved it. Love the Scottish accent. Glasgow? Yes. I always find it really funny when little kids have got pronounced accents. This is from Bonnie Glasgow.

So is she called Bonnie? No. Oh no. Oh no. You stink of English. I do stink of English. I do stink of English. Send me down. Sue me.

Sue me. Yeah, I'm English. I stink of England. I love the Scottish. I love the Scottish. The Scottish. You sound like Richie Sonac but under pressure. So what are you going to do with the English people?

I love the Scottish. I, I in brew, I like a drink of that. Hi, this is my five-year-old Holly, smashing Josh's name but struggling with Robs. She is the younger sister to Joseph and his mental. Love my journey is to work on Tuesdays and Fridays, laugh all the way to my P1 class. What's P1? P1 class. Here we go.

P1, oh, P1, P1, primary one. So I think year one of school. Keep doing it and bring the next talk to Glasgow, please. In brackets. go please in brackets I don't doubt by now that Rob has impersonated myself for my daughter to make it sound like the hardest roughest mother and daughter that ever exists hey no I didn't I just said born in a school and it was not like that yeah we're mad love yeah I'm coming to Glasgow on my tour I we're just trying to sort a date out because it's always a bit fiddling a day's but I'm doing it thirty thinnenene much much th a th at thin thin thin thin thin that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that. that. That's that's that's that. That's th- th-I th-I th-I th-I th-I th-I th-I th-I th-I th-I th-I th-I thin-I thin-I th is th is th is th is th is th is th is thin thin thin thin, thr-I thr-I thr-I thr-I throngin-I they so so so so that's their so much that'''-I's that'-I's that'-I's thri-niiiiiiiiiiii'-n'-I's the-I's the-n'-I's their-I's throng-utchinson that's a lot, very Scottish. Yeah, I am coming to Glasgow on my tour, and we're just trying to sort of date out because it's always a bit fiddling in days, but I'm

probably, yeah, I'm doing Edinburgh and Aberdeen and probably will add Glasgow and Inveness at the moment are the ones we're looking at. There we go, there we bloody go. Do you do a bit correspondence, Josh. Do you want to got some boomer I've got some uni drop-off stories I've got some parenting... Let's do uni drop-off off we don't do that enough. Here we go. Hi Rob Josh and Michael on a recent episode you spoke about university drop-off stories when our mom dropped my older brother off at uni a few years ago she got a text about a week later asking her how do you wash a t-shirt? She respir. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the to the the the the the the the the to the the the the the the the the the their. the their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. Let. Let. Let. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their.. their. their. their. their. their. their. Let. Let. Let. Let. Let. Let. I the the the the the the tr. I. I tr. I tre. I tre. I true. I true. I true. I true. I true. I true. I the the the the the replied, just follow the instructions, what does it sound the t-shirt, to which he replied, Foo Fighters. That's good stuff. That is really good. That's my kind of humor. That is... To the surprise of literally nobody...

To be fair if he likes the Foo Fires, you probably don't need to bloody wash anyway. Hey! Du-D-Dud-Dud! It's not nobody's sleigh ban though, are they, Foo Fires? Now, to the surprise of Literally nobody, he was back home each month with a huge bag of dirty washing, and we've never, foo fighters as a default reason. How'd you change the, how do you change the, the thing on the, the Hoover foo fires? God, it's been a long time to think of a thing there, didn't it?

Yeah, it was, it was painful. Halfway through, going the thing, the thing, I thought, if my life would be easier if I just die now. Ha ha ha ha ha ha. Now, keep up the great work on the podcast. I've listened to every episode and can't wait for Michael to look after your children. Thanks, Carly from Kent. Piers, I live next door to a town called Marden and wondered if Michael is from there or ever been there. I think you've got a bit of an admirer there, Michael. Have you ever been to Marden?

No, I haven't been to Marden, but I'm aware of it because I once missed a train. You know when you're sort of waiting on the station and the ticker comes across with all the locations? I saw it came up as Marden, and send like a funny tweet. And I spent so long trying to come up with the wording for the tweet that I missed my train that was coming in on the station. And it was an hour wait for the next train. It's near you Rob.

It's near Staplehurst. Tell me to pop down there, Michael and have a look for you. Well I always wanted to Marden. I'll get that for you. Right Josh what do you want now? Harsh nicknames? Yeah go. Hi Robin Josh when I was a kid my dad used to call me Pugsley from the Adams family because I was overweight. Oh my word. And then he would sing the theme song oh yeah yeah we all know it. Yeah Dda da da da da da da da da da da da-da-da-da-click, until I cried. This broke's a bastard. Oh, fuck it now.

It's your dad. He also used to call me Dusty-Bin, I assumed because where all the waste food goes. FUCH-mea-Trippph. Trish-Bie in Buckinghamshire. Poor old Trish. to do to your kid and not funny and that's from a parent and a comedian so I know and also someone got bullied for his weight so I'm probably a bit more over sensitive the next one's ice skating accident Rob which is quite exciting

yeah go on hello you two sexy and relatable pair after listening to your episode of Scott Bennett and Josh oh nice nice here we go there this is good stuff talk about ice skating I thought I'd write and share with you my experience. I was born in France and when I was around eight years old my parents let me and my sister 11 go to local ice rink. Plastic not real ice back then? What? Bloody French. Have you? I've never seen a fake ice rink of you? Yeah, sometimes they're in sort of like on tour I've been in the town center and I walk past an ice rink and it's sort of just plasticy and you sort of just shuffle around it. It's like sort of ice skating on top of like, you know them ice, like air hockey. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's sort of that kind of thing.

Right. So I remember we had a fake snow, a ski slope in Plymouth that was, you know you get the snow dome now! Yeah. Just like white brushes that you'd ski. A dry ski slope, yeah. Just deadly. Yeah, awful. It was not compulsory to wear gloves then, especially as it was not on ice rink.

So wearing gloves to keep warm, not safe was not a thing that, yeah. A short while into our session I fell down and didn't bring my hand in. Oh, oh my God. Another skater didn't manage to avoid, I don't know I'm read it, managed to avoid me in time and skated over my fingers. Little old eight year old me felt something was quite wrong in my hand but didn't want to look at first. I then braced myself and looked at my hand and this is when the pain hit me. He'd skated over my middle f f f finger, but thankfully they were not cut off, just very sliced. To make matters worse, the skater looked back at me but didn't stop. Hit and run! Another skater came to me and

carried me to the side whilst my hand was dripping blood all over the ice rink. Oh, I'm running out of Stephen Mowern, I'm running out of ice skating people. You can imagine the harrowing phone call my sister had to make to my parents when she asked the reception if she could phone our house phone as this was pre-mobile phone era. My parents arrived quickly enough anthis it became compulsory to wear gloves when you ice skate. Keep up the good work and keeping us sane and feeling better about our parenting much love Chloe. Blame me her Riley. God. So she just sent them down the ice rink, the plastic ice ice tree in France on their own. Sicker. Yeah. Do you want a revenge story? Do you want. th. th. th. th. Oh. th. Oh. Oh. Do th. Do th. Do th. Do th. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh................................................................................................................................................................... go. Do you want a revenge story? Yeah. Hi Robin Josh, when I was at Secchery School in the 80s, I was badly bullied.

This continued until I left school, I'm sorry to hear that. Now fast forward five years, I was out clubbing one night in my local town. I was waiting in the cube for the ladies when my school bully came out of the bully. I went in after her and started and started and started wee. I then heard the bully say she had left her cider in the loo. Oh yes. I looked down and there was a half drunk cider on the floor. Well, I had to top it up for her. This is amazing. I walked out the cubicle with my head held high as I washed my hands. I watched in the mirror as she went into the cubicle to retrieve her drink serves her right the dirty cow. It was. This. This the th. This the th. This the the the th. This the c- the c- the c-c, th. This is the c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-ooooo the cu. I was the cuuuu. I was. I was the cu the cu. I was the cu. I was the cuuuu the cu. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was the c. I was the c. I's thu. I's thu. I's thu. I's t. I t. I t. I t. I t. I te. I te. I ttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttuce. tuce. I was the cubicle to retrieve her drink, serves her right the dirty cow. It was the best feeling ever.

Love your pod from the start. And none of this. Absolutely brilliant. Sider girl, that is great. I knew it was Somerset. Yeah, great work. There's not many. No, I don't want people from Somers nightclubs where in the women cubicles they are drinking pints of cider and I am saying pint because you can't

only get a cider in a small lot because it kind of been a bottle of you can't get half of cider no you got that's they're That's their thatches gold in the toilets of time and envy plim of that's not what should be a big club? What's your big club in Somerset? I'm not, right, this is unbelievable. Where are you? Are you, your cider, aren't you? Isn't that? Devon, and Somerset are different places. Which one does cider? Well, all of them really, but Somerset, I suppose.

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Yes. Hi Josh and Rob. My partner and I love listening to your podcast. When we heard about Rob's secret eating, we wanted to share our story when I recently got caught out. Okay, it's a secret eating, not revenge. My partner and I, on a mission to shape up for our impending wedding. Knowing my lack of self-control she got rid of all the sweet treats in the house. I've got the kind of sweet tooth that could rival Willie Wonka and desperate times cause for desperate measures. So I resorted to secret eating Easter eggs in the car.

Oh my word. Now we all know Easter egg chocolate is top tier. What's your view on Easter egg chocolate, Josh? I don't really. I certainly wouldn't say it's better. If I'm having a bit of chockier milk, Josh, I need texture, whether that's a crumbly biscuit or a bit of nut. So what's your chocolate bar choice, Rob?

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back, Josh, okay? From a gig it's late night, what crisp chocolate drink sandwich are you going for? So have they got a cost or another? Well obviously... No it's just garage so like, like you that say it's a money you spend as long so it's a decent sandwich. All right. Um well sandwich um... Ideally Rob, this is quite a guilty crap sandwich. I like the one that's like cheese and spring onion where it's like just kind of all mashed together, you know that one? Fuck, say. Yeah, the war sandwich.

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why I wasn't losing any way. Little did I know, my downfall was as innocent as dropping a receipt. In a cruel twist of fate I dropped a tiny slip of paper and my partner being the diligent detective she is, scooped it up and there it was in black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black in black in black black in black in black black black in black in black black in black black black black black black in black black black black in black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black was in black and white, dairy milk Easter egg-handed. Let's just say I was called egg-handed, and now my partner insists on calling me when I leave the gym. Word of warning full of the secret eaters out there, always discard your receipts, keep it sexy and relatable, Luke and Leanne Essex. Oh my God. Luke, if you don't want to lose the weight, that's fine.

There's no point doing the boring diet diet diet diet diet diet thto eat the eggs secretly. Yes, correct. Yeah. But Luke's got enough on his plate. He's just done a workout. Well he hasn't got enough on his plate. He's got on his lap in the cart. Right Josh, time for our guest now. Here are the airwaves. Sean Keevney was the voice of six music for a decade. Now he's off doing his daily podcast. He doesn't eat them back him back. Here he bloody is, it's Sean Keevney. I think we should start here, Sean Keevney. Welcome to the podcast. Because we're talking about kids, and obviously having kids, aging will happen as they get older.

And you're saying about your hair or your beard. I've got my hair, isn't receding as such, but it's going, even if you have a good head of hair, it still creeps back slowly, just at a slow rate, you lose a bit of the front ones. And I've always had a big mole on my hair line that's slowly, now I'm becoming molehead, man. To have a thing that marks it is the worry, isn't it? Because I can convince myself my hair's remaining in the same position, even though I know these sides are going back in it.

My kink's been to me, what's that? I was like, it's a mold, but no one can see because my hair covers it? Actually, oh no, you can see it now. Oh yeah, that's a shame yeah, so it's got out to see and I can see what's going on. Welcome, Sean, to the podcast. Before we start, how many kids do you have? What's the low down? Talk me through the sitch? It's three.

It's three. And I don't see why I say it at the moment, because there's obviously, you know, there's no more traction, there's no more games in tarrying on that front. Really? How old are they? The other trial had just been pulled up. Well I went back into the burning building guys, so I, we have a blended family. I am, I'm once divorced so far and so I've got a nearly 16 year old and a 13 year old and a 4 year old. Right, so the 4 year old from your new relationship? That's right. You didn't pop back when you sit back in the building you didn't have one of your ex and then. Imagine. No, no, exactly. It's really blended. Yeah, precisely.

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The pod men But so so you're young is different and the youngest though we're born in locked down We've got one one compliment Robert we've gone we've got I'll say let's go there first and then move on to the gap between the older ones the young ones because you're your Sean Keveny okay, you're late 40s at this point between the older ones, the young ones, because you're Sean Kivney, okay, you're late 40s at this point when the baby comes, 47? 47, yeah. Right, it's 47, you're Sean Kivney, you're on the radio, all of a sudden you can't really go and do your job anymore because it's sort of locked down and it also has to happen at home. You can't really go out and sort of d'augh and the the their their th. th. their th. th. thirty thirty their thirty to their to thirty. to their. thirty, thirty, thirty, to thirty, to to to th. to to to to to to to thirty, thirty, to to to to to to to to to th, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the th. the th. the the th. th. the th. t th. t t t t t t today, today, today, today, toe. toe. toe. toe. today, today, today, tod events like that. You've got two teenage kids that are sort of now locked in a house and you've got a newborn baby and you're 47. I'd say maybe the energy is not the same as it was mid-30s. How's March 2020 going, basically? Is this one of your facilities stroke techniques is to reintroduce PTSD to the interview

exter. Our youngest at that point she was really young so she was virtually I mean she was about five six months old so we weren't going out that much anyway you know what I mean it was a great big loss for the older kids it was a traumaic obviously it was really weird and as you know as you know as you know what you know what I mean? It was a great big loss. For the older kids it was traumatic and nightmare. Obviously it was really weird. And as you, you know, what would they have been then like 12 and 10 or something like that? I've never really, guys, had in the interest of full disclosure, I've never been a very authoritative person. I am not, I'm the kind of person that couldn't get a dog to sit. You know what I mean? Even a canine looks at me with a kind of, well I can get away

with anything with this dickhead, you know a kind of expression on its face. And the kids are no different. The kids just know that they can undermine my authority in 15 seconds really. You know what I mean? I just haven't got it. Whatever that is, that steel, my wife has got it, she's unbelievable. I mean she fries the shit out of meat. So me trying to enforce any kind of, you know, sort of authority, sit at the kitchen table and make sure you get that work done. I was on a hiding to nothing, you know. And also I'm too empathetic. That's my problem. I'm far too empathetic. I've got attention deficit disorder. It's one of the things, I'm already in the teenage kids' minds thinking this is a very

difficult time for them. This is extremely difficult. And it's, you know, this is generationally problematic. Back on it in eight years, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I'm, I, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm th., I'm th. th. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. I'm, I'm, I'm that, I'm, I'm, I went through so I'm cutting them slack left line centre. Were you were you cutting that slack anyway so you say have you tried to enforce Keveney's law or are you like if you just do you just not bother trying to be a kind of authoritative figure? No I try I really I'm honestly always trying, I'm very trying to live with for all kinds of reasons. So I am always attempting it, but always failing.

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not I haven't done either yet I've got friends who have said to me I'm giving up I don't even bother trying anymore really you know what I mean yeah yeah it's just it's gone too far and there's nothing I can do so you in London do you live in London? So you're how where do the kids spend their time they split between the old ones between the the the the old ones between your house and the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the old the old the old the old the old the old ones? the old ones? the old they. they. they. they. they. they. they. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the old ones? the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the old ones ones. the old ones. the the the the the the older ones between your house and the mom or is it 50-50? How's it all sort of work? Because it's hard to say these are the rules, but then if you're not there all the time, both sides of it, it's hard to enforce. With the best school in the world, you know, all the players on the pitch, it's very difficult because it's difficult for the kids yeah, you know, all the parental figures are trying the best,

but you, like you say, you've got two houses, but there were, there's about 35-ish percent of the time, get my number cruncher out. But, but you're right, I mean, you've got, you say effectively you've got two slightly different things, so it's a bit more difficult to enforce than if you're all you know under one huddled under one roof having an argument altogether you know so yeah I have found that really difficult as time's gone on and still do but back to back in March 2020 oh my God you know I mean it they were relatively more innocent days in comparison to now you know I think they probably still did jump a little bit when I barred whereas now they just go, what?

You can see it, you know. And so with the phones and stuff, are they on everything? Are they on social media, they're on TikTok, they're on Instagram? How does it work? Can you stop that? I don't even know what you can do. Yeah, if you're a, if you, you've got really good shots, if you're really on it, and if you're really sort of, you know,

disciplined with yourself and with everybody else, they probably are ways, means, you know, but as the, as time goes on, you know, the, the sort of, the child becomes more sophisticated anywhere with, with how to sort of work the way around these things, you know, and sort of unless you, you devote a great portion of your the the to to the the to the to the the th portion, to the th portion, to, th portion, th portion, to, their th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, you, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th., th., th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, if, if you're, th, if you're, if you're, if you're, thi, if you're, thi, thi, thin, if you're, to, if you're, to, to, to, to, to, to, thin, thi, thi, thi, thi, sort of work the way around these things, you know, and sort of unless you devote a great portion of your life to police in it, which you probably should, you know, it's going to be difficult. To be far, the lads, they're pretty good, you know, I mean, my eldest is quite a... So two boys, the oldest, yeah, two boys, yeah. And the oldest he's doing really well, you know, with my the eldest, their their their their their their their their their their their their th. thii. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. their thi. their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. t. t. t. together. together. together. together. together. t. together. together. together. together. t. t. th. th., yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And the oldest is doing really well, you know, with exams and stuff, he's got well focused on it. And he's quite, you know, committed to getting good grades and everything. And the younger ones doing pretty well as well. But it's just that, as we all know, it's the thing about the black mirror, the thing about the phone, it's right next to me of course as well. And like you just said, Rob, we're each and every one of us in this culture, you know, with very few exceptions. Everything's on that phone, you know, everything that's useful as well as everything that's useless, everything that's essential as well as, you know, ephemeral, it's all there. And so it's trying to get to get the to get the point the point to get the point the point to get the point to get the point the point to get the point the point the point to get the point the point the point the point the point to get the point the point the to get the to get the the the th. them. thathea. them. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. their their their one. their one. their one. their. their. their. their. th. th. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. th. their. to. th. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. their. th. thrying to get the point across to a teenager that this is, I'm trying to do this for you.

Has there been problems then that have arisen out of it though? Like are they sort of getting upset about things they've seen online or they exhibiting that naughty behavior and stuff like that? Have you seen an impact from it? able to function without defaulting always to picking up the phone. And of course, back when I were, you know, I mean, Jesus Christ, I was born in 1972 for fuck's sake, you know what I mean? All we could do was read the back of the shampoo bottle when we were having a shit, you know, until I was in my late 20s.

Yeah, because I remember that as a kid, I'm quite, it sort of feels like quite an important period of time that we were straddling the back of the shampoo bottle for a shit. But then a hundred years ago people would be going, I never had a shampoo bottle. We just use soap. You can't read soap, can you? Don't know, you're born reading all those fucking ingredients. Hydropoxy, whatever the fuck it is, I had to just imagine what was on soap. Pairs, once you've read pairs, you've got another 10 minutes to go, haven't you? You know, you can't really read that, but it's true. It's like, I saw some comedian, ironically enough, I think it was on Instagram. It was some guy talking about how, I, you know, accidental, I'm an accidental guru, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was born in the 70s.

I grew up in the 80s and I was just like, I used to just sit on a bus for an hour and watch the rain go down the window pain. You know, somebody would pay, you know, 80 pounds a fucking week to have that talk to them now, you know, or like get an app to do it or something. You know, and it's absolutely true. You can't reverse engineer this stuff. It's like the atom bomb, isn't it? And by the way, before, you know, caveat, there are loads of positive and great things about, yeah. Yeah, about the internet, about social media and about, they really are. You know, there are lots of fantastic things about it. It's balance, isn't it? But trying the, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, the, the, the, they. they. they. the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, they. And, they. And, they. And, they. And, they.a. And, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, to, you know, you end, smaller things happen like my kids are very musical and when they were younger and more biddable, you know, we got on guitar

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You know who's won after three laps, but it takes six hours for that to kind of play out. Do you know what I mean? It's a bit like the next general election. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, there's no ebb and flow to Monopoly. It's just a grinding fist of capitalism, grinding you down when you don't own Mayfair, basically. True. That's it, it is. You're right. It's the, you know, sort of the ultimate iteration of hypercapitalism in a fucking board game that all your kids could, now you can learn how to become the next billionaire, yeah. Did you ever play the game of life? I remember the TV advert never actually played it. What was what? Now? Now? Now? Now? Now? Now? Now? that that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was thatthe tv advert never never actually played it what was what was that

one all about is it like you could get divorced then you could you know you could go to the jail for tax-evasion it was like the person with the most money at the end wins it was fucking mental it was like getting ready for life mate it was like points for how many kids you've got, how big your house is, how much money you've got. It was fucking mad. It's, that is the full sort of Reagan, Thatcher, 1980 ideal board. Yeah, it was, but yeah, anyway. Bring it back. So what we do at the end of this podcast, Sean, is we get out the game of life,

and we ask you what your life would score against their point system. We should do that. That's quite funny, actually. I know they're on their phones a lot, but what are they looking at? What do they like? What are they looking at? You said they're into music? Is it just gaming? Yeah, what kind of I'm dumbing? I'm damn they them them them them them them them them them them them they they they they they're dumbing. I'm dumbing. I'm dumbing. I'm dumbing. I'm dumbing. I'm dumbing they're they're they're they're they're they're on. I'm dumbing they're on. I'm dumb. I'm dumb. I'm they're on. I'm dumbing they're on. I'm they're on. I'm they're on. I'm they're on. I'm they're on. I're on. I's they're on. I they're on. I they're on. I they're on. I they're on. I they're on. I they're on. I they're on. I they're on. I'm they're on. I'm they're on. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not they're on. I'm they're on. I'm th. I'm they're on. I'm they're on. I'm they're on. I'm they're on. I'm they 16-year-old listen to to parenting health to be a lot. Hopefully, that's not your, yeah, not your demographic, is it? It's a deeply erotic listen. They are still into music, though it's that thing that, and again, a lot of this is really healthy. Is that a good bond for you? Because obviously you're within the music industry to like, so have you've that, that, that, that you that you that you that you that you that you that you that you to to to to to to to to to that you to to that you to that you to to that to to that to that that's to to to to to to that's, to to that's not, that's not, that's not, that's not, that's not, that's not, that's not, that's not, yeah, that's not, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their, the their, their, their, their, to their, to to their, to their, to to their, to their, to their, to their, to their, their, obviously you're within the music industry to like, so have you been able to go, oh you like the Arty Monkeys? I could take you to a gig and we'd be in a box

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replaced by the peer group isn't it? And so there comes this point I don't know if it's happened with your kids yet probably perhaps a bit young but I don't know but like there comes a point where you realize that you've kind of lost them for a while you like the elder two now are just massively into Kendrick Lamar actually is probably the sort of the bit that I can sort of still have some relation to. Yeah. But they love all the, they love a lot of like, you know, sort of drill, you know, sort of, you know, sort of all the kind of the hip-hop stuff that I'm not partied to because I'm just too old, you know, so it's kind it's kind of becomes that point where you're just you're just, you're just, you're just, you're just, you're just, you're just, you're the the the the the the the th., th. th. th. It's kind of, the th. It's kind of, th. It's kind of, th. th. thi, thi, the thi, thi, thi, the thi, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th... th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the, the, the the the the the thi, thi, the thi, they, they're, they, they're, they're, they, they're, they, they're, they, they're, they're, they're, they're that point where you just you're the sad dad again you it's like it's like I'm like listening to Perry Como in

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You know, but then I was listening to one of your podcast the other day and you were talking about this, somebody was talking at the fact that by the time the 10 years old you've spent like 90% the time you'll ever spend with your kids already with them. That started to ring fucking true. That's like Christ Almighty. That's one of the reasons I went in, went in for another pot, you know, I was thought okay I'm really going to suck it up this time because I realized just how quickly that early five hours a day, seven wish 24 hours a day seven days a week in a house. When your kids were small your for your older kids were you doing breakfasts breakfast radio yeah and how did that work then yeah not well not well at all you know Pence the trail marriage and...

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that you normalize it. Like, it came a point, and it wouldn't all that long ago, probably about 2015, where I realized that most of my working hours with the kids, I was either asleep or on the way to be asleep. I'd be bashing them and I'd be asleep on the fucking toilet. You know, dad! Dad! Oh Christ, you know, nearly went under then. It's like that, you realize how you can't really take information in that state. You kind of, life's just kind of passing you by, you know. But then that, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, that, it, it, that, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, i's, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it is is, it is, it is, it is, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's that, it's that, it's kind of, life's just kind of passing you by, you know. But then that is, isn't that parenting anywhere? And then it does put a strain on the, you know,

then it does put a strain, like you said, on the marriage where there's no time to sort of look after the kids probably because you're naked and then try to go on like date night as well as that and then get babysit as it's it's it's full on. It's not going to happen is it? No, he didn't. I can confidently confirm that. It's not a good lifestyle choice. You know, take the afternoon slot at Century in Manchester instead of taking the National Breakfast Show is what I would say. Do anybody in a similar situation? I don't think Century exists anymore.

Or are you living in the naughty? But well now, so now you're doing Sean Keveny's Daily Grind, which is a daily podcast, which means you can do whatever time you want? Well, you would think, wouldn't you? Josh, yes, I thought that as well, and it turns out it was wrong. We had to... Is it seven days a week? No, I'm glad you pointed that out. That would be, I mean, that would literally be like, might as well just hurl yourself off a cliff, haven't you?

I've given myself the weekends off mostly. But, but it, the big cell here. It was a great freedom to it really. It's but it is, it is a little bit like a radio show in a podcast format in a sense. I guess that's what we were trying to achieve. And also you can say whatever you want because look we've all done radio on commercial or the BBC. You were trying to achieve. And also you can say whatever you want because look we've all done radio on commercial or the BBC you are boxed in to a certain degree with certain views on music or on advertisers or things you've got to do and not say where, and this is why I love doing this podcast, you can literally say and as you do on yours, whatever your opinion is of something and you've got the freedom for that and you know like like like like like like like like like like like like like the the the the to to to to to to to to to the to the the to to to the the to to their to their to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to their.. to to to to to to.. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to.. to. to..... to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, and you've got the freedom for that and you know like it's basically the best of of a radio show where once you take all that out where you've got to upsell the other shows or upsell a gig that's on you really you're just pumping out on this

podcast the actual proper gold of a broadcast without the waffle that you're needed to do when you are on a station. That's right it is it. It's just, it's all lean no fat. If you think, if you consider the absolute bilge that I come out with is gold, then it's all gold. It really is no, we call it nose to tail broadcasting me and my producer, because we sort of, we sort of use most things, you know, we sort of leave it all on it, you know, but it is, but it is, it's brilliant because we can do, we do a lot of stuff out at the studio, we fuck off to, like a couple, I can see behind you though Josh, you've got a tasty looking telecastle there. I have, yeah. I didn't

realize that you were a player. I'm not very good. I'm not very good. He can play. Guys can I'm not very good at music stuff but can I join in with because you two are like music guys, you know you're a music guy, Josh is a music guy. Have anyone been to the new Gibson shop in town? Here we go. Have you been to the Gibson shop? Yes. Have you been to the Gibson? Have you been to the Gibson? Well I just knew it was opening because Noel Gallagher to launch it has signed 20 guitars, the Les Paul that Johnny Mar gave him some replicas of those. He signed there for sale going to the teenage counter trust. And I've been down in Gibson. I went down to Gibson. I went down, I saw, actually, saw? Actually, I think me and you have got more in common in this little chance. I figured just, what do you think at a Gibson

shop, Sean? I'll tell you what, it's funny that you mentioned that Rob. I actually went to the launch. I think it was on Thursday, wasn't it? Yeah, yeah.less Paul. They were showing me actually. They've got 200 different pieces of maple. And you can choose the exact one that you want and they'll make the guitar out of it for you. I mean, obviously you've got to be a fucking millionaire to do that. Yeah, it's insane. But you can build it and then they've got all the guitars going around on like a yo sushi yeah yeah yeah yeah you're downstairs to the music venue you great have been taking the music venue downstairs

I am I behind yeah listen we'll get you on the mailing list don't worry they've obviously they've obviously been in the other side Josh no I was walking back from a meeting and I saw it and I went in and it was just before I they let me in to have a little look about but it's amazing if I'm not really that into guitars like I love like music but I'm not I could never play and if I can't be that guy buys one and just has it on the wall and don't know what's doing it like I can't do it. I can't do it. Come on Rob we know you're talking about it. No you can play a to play to play to play to play to play to play to play to play to play to play to play to play to play to play to play to play to play to play to play to play to play to play to play the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the that I that I that I that I can't play. I can't play. I can't play. I can't play. I can't play. I can't play. I that that that that that that that that that that that that that I that that I that I that I that I that I that I that I that I I that I I I I that I I that I that that that that that that that that that that that that that the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th the the tha. I tha. I th. I that music that music that music that I was like this is the coolest shop I've ever been in and I'm not really it is unbelievable yeah where is it's like a museum it's on East Castle Street which is sort of Fitzrovia is you know so the near Charlotte Street yeah yeah yeah go in and your

peril is all I will say Josh it's very beautiful but what I the thing is though it's so for someone who's not into guitars to be that impressed by it, the worry is when middle-aged guitar men go in there, they will jizz on site. There is that faint smell of pollen and bleach. Yeah, they're constantly cleaning. Up against, you know, up against a leather gusset. Can I get that sap covered, maple wood? That's just not being cleaned.

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I realize I'm never going to be a rock star. Nobody's ever going to give a fuck about the little tunes that I make up. But I, you know, when all the kids are in bed, when I've had two cans of very strong craft ale and I finish watching my music documentary, sometimes I get the lighting just right and I'll film myself playing a little bit and I'll post it to Instagram and that's my, that's my ultimate sad expression of where I'm at musically, you know, and it's me just cleaving back a tiny little bit of my teenage years, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm thi, and I'm thi, and I'm, and I'm, and I've, and I've, and I've, and I've, and I've, and I've, and I've that's, and I've that, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, I, and I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I'm thi, I'm thi, I'm thi, I'm thi, I'm thi, I'm thi, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm thi, I'm thi, I'm at musically, you know, and it's me just cleaving back a tiny little bit of my teenage years, you know, that's, I just don't know. What do your children think? What do your children think of that? I don't, um, do they follow your Instagram? I fucking

out. I've not even checked. I don't know about it. I don't really know it. I don't really know it's to work it properly. That sounds disingenuous, but it's true. I don't. I don't know. But I, you know, it's a strange mix of revulsion and sort of begrudging respect sometimes that I get from the kids. And I think you'll know what I'm talking about. So a couple of years ago, for instance, I'd stopped working at the BBC and I was doing all kinds, as I still am, you know, sort of panhandling for change after the time, trying to get things going.

And I was doing, I was doing this podcast called The Line-Up at the time and it was brilliant, like Fantasy, your fantasy festival lineup. One of the guests was Andrew Garfield, the actor who was one of the Spider-Man. And I know all that much about Andrew's stuff, I've seen a couple of his films, but when the kids found out, they lost the fucking shit, you know, because it was literally just before that Spider-Man came out. And what was even more perfect about it was that the whole beginning of the podcast was Andrew sort of eulogizing about my show and telling me how great it was and how it had gotten through some hard times and the eldest was like are you for fucking

real Spider-Man listen to your radio show and he just couldn't couldn't countenance the two things at all you know it was like so there's this kind of big real begrudging sort of, wow. I think he sort of sees you in a slightly different way at that point, you know, like, okay, well, some people think that you don't, you're not completely full of shit. That's, that's impressive. You know, so there are those moments, you know, as the music, the music, the music, the music, the music, the music, the music, the music, the music, the music, the music, the music, the music, the music, the music, the music, the moments, you know. As far as the music is concerned, you know, the middle one's still clinging on. He still has the guitar lessons and everything.

So there's still hope in my heart for that. But you know, the really sad thing, one parent-in-wise thing I would say is that as time's gone on, especially if you live in London in a big city center sort of thing. One one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one. sort of city centre sort of thing. One of the sad things I think about kids growing up is that they haven't got the space,

they haven't got the physical space and they haven't got the sort of brain space to just discover and do things like we used to do in an analog way, you know what I mean? And so in the o'n't days, you might pick up a guitar, you wouldn't have to fuck a fuck to do so you would actually learn it anyway you wouldn't even get lessons because what else would you do and also you'd probably find another couple of people at school who played somebody would have a front room free on a Saturday you'd have a band practice and off you go none of that is really around so much anymore so if you want your kids to be in a band camp to thrown them to be in a sort of Easter band camp or something

like that. You know which is which is phenomenally expensive but also you can't do that all the time you know so the chances of them coming together to do those things seems to be a bit more difficult these days. It's why there's so many there's so much about like how many public school, and stuff is because they can afford to much about like how many public school, how many of the biggest bands of people who've gone to public school and stuff is because they can afford to etc. Yeah, exactly, you know. Do you find, because obviously you grew up on the outskirts of Manchester and your kids growing up in London, I'm presuming, how do you feel about, like, how did you feel about your kids growing up in London? Because the part of me is like, this is so removed from what I was growing up in.... th, th, th, th, th, th, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they're, they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, they's, they's, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they can, they can, they can, they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're th, they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they up in London because the part of me is like this is so removed from what I was growing up in

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go up all the time and all, we've got one of those almost comically stereotypical extended northern families. Like my anti-J and Uncle Paul live next door to my mom and dad. Their kids live across the road and the opposite end. And my auntie and uncle Frank live, they're outlying because they're about 15 minutes walk away. You know, so we've got this whole bunch of people. And a lot of my friends are still there as well. So it's great. We can plug into that. Oh that's nice. And we can and still get all that you know to mean? So I think that they're kind of double agents in a way the older

kids they're kind of like they have this kind of sophisticated urban London upbringing which which is good in a lot of ways but also also I think it sort of accelerates. It makes them less innocent quicker, I think, you know what I mean? Yeah. But they can still get that proper, a bit of northern reality and realness. But, you know, so we still have that connection, which is so important to me, you know, because as previously established, I've got absolutely no very little sort of influence a lot of my kids, whereas sometimes my parents and the extended family will have, you know. So how old are your parents if she's on email? I know, can you believe it? They're sort of the early 70s because they had me unbelievably young.

Wow, yeah, because my dad's, I'm only 40, well I'm 38, well I'm 38 and my dad's 80, because he had me late, so a bit like a bit more your age, because you're now sort of, slightly older dad because you've got 47. He used to, they used to call him, they used to say to me, is your granddad going going going going going going going going going going their their their their their their their the pick they used to call him he used to say to me is your granddad gonna buy him some sweets and he'd be like I'm the fucking dad so how old they can't do the maths would your dad have been Rob when you were born like 42 or something 42 yeah yeah if he's 80 this year and I'm 38 he would have been 42 yeah 40 yeah he was 45 when my brother was born the youngest one and how is how is that the the the the the the the th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th that that th that the I th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th that that that that the thou the thou the the to thou to the to thou the the thou the the the the the the the had he was 45 when my brother was born, the youngest,

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but no, I am that age of a parent. You know, I am like, I really am more like a granddad than a dad to my youngest. So what was that like for you as a kid growing up? Yeah, well, I think it's more because my dad did everything with us. He'd play on the beach, he'd run and run. It weren't like he was an old man that didn't do anything. So actually as a parent, there was, I had, you know, I'd say he did more physically with us

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I think, you know, people are getting older later. Yeah. people are getting older later, do you know what I mean? Like, if you're 47 in the 80s, you know, it's like all those footballers you see that are in their 30s that look so old from your life from back in the day. Like, do you feel when you go to pick up or drop-off? I suppose you don't do that, oh yeah, you do that for younger, obviously. Yeah, do you feel, fucking hell, look at these young people th? th? th. You th? th. You th? th. th. th. th. th. th. th. If th. the young, th. If the young, if the young, if you the young, if you the young, if you're th. If you're th. th. th. th. th. If you're, if you're, if you're, if you're, if you're, if you're, if you're, if you're, if you're, if you're, if you're, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, th. If, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, they, they, they. they. they. they. they. they. their, you're, they. their, their, you feel, fucking hell, look at these young people that don't remember the Smiths. That's true actually, yeah. I bet you've never even fucking heard of their blow monkeys, have you? Have you? Have you? Uh, yeah? Take out to get off their phone. Yeah, exactly. It's true. Standing there and your hugs, listening to Ariana Grande. It's true. There is a little bit of, I think what you're saying is right, Robert, I don't think it has much impact at this point. I think the way it has a psychological impact on me,

but bear in mind I'm the kind of person who, when I was four, my mom caught me, me sitting on the stairs and my hand built me jump and she said what you're doing and I said I'm just checking my heart still beating. Right. Because I've been panicking about dying since I was about four. I've sort of swapped that out now. I don't worry about the tiny little bit of run way of life I've got left I've got to try and pack in as many nice things as possible, which is which has become its own the to to to be to be to be to be thi. thi. thi. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I to be to be to be to be to be to be thi. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm th. I'm to be th. I'm to be thi. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm th. I'm. I'm. I'm. I. I. I th. I th. I I th. I I th. I th. I'm to be to be to be to be to to be to be to be to to to thi. I'm to to thi. I'm to to thi. I'm to te. I'm just just just to to to to try. I'm just just. I'm just. I'm to thi. I'm many nice things as possible, which has become its own stress. But you're only 50. Well, I'm 51 and a half guys. I was 47 when the youngest was born, but that's the point.

It's a bit like, and I'm going to bring it down now to my typical level, which is just existential doom, if you don't mind, just for a second. That's why you and Josh get on. Excellent. Quite right. Gets that Gibson shop. Have you ever read, have you ever read the road by Carmack McCarthy? No, I think it'd be too bleak for me. Yeah, that's why I've gone as well, actually. Don't do it. If you've not already read it, don't, just don't read it. It's an incredible piece of world. Did they make it into a film? Yeah, with Vigo Mortis. Yeah, I've seen that, don't read that. I could, I could barely watch it. Come on, read it. I remember, so unbelievable. And I remember, I still remember, I remember sitting on the bog finishing it and crying, which is when the kids were young. And I read afterwards that that that it as a parrot, as a sort of a metaphor, because he was an older dad.

And the whole point of the metaphor was, I've got to prepare this kid for when I'm not around anymore because I'm quite old. He was like, fuck me. So like, it's almost become a thing though, where I'm like, really the only point of being a, I've just got a fucking stay alive, like, that's it. I've got to stay alive. It's why I've cut down on the drinking. I'll go running more. I'm like, I probably will end up becoming one of the people I despise the motivation of it it's like you're older when you're your youngest kid you just want to cling on for your

life don't you you're always doing the math you're always going fucking out right if she's can I would think I could make it to a 30th birthday I'll be 77 I should be able to make it to a 30th you know what about a 40th you know you start doing all this stuff yeah it's that's you you you you you you you you you you you you you you that's you that's you th that's you th th that's you that's th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th oh th oh th is th I th I'm that's th oh th oh th oh th oh th oh th oh th oh th I'm th I'm th I'm th I'm th I'm th I'm th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th is that is that is that thi thi thi thi to they. to to to to thi thi to thii thi thii thi thi thi thi th you start doing all this stuff. Yeah, it's totally natural. Also as well, it's just anxiety, basically, you know, you said you've obviously suffered anxiety slightly like as a four-year-old. If you're checking your heart, it's sort of pre-wired,

yeah, anxiety will find anything to cling on to. And what you've done there is, your anxiety has gone fucking out yes please open going oh I'm gonna be on this fuckers case till he dies yes I'm fucking in there's no you know I'm not got I've not got to bring up the boiler might explode I haven't got to bring up the gas bills don't I even got to bring up jobs being because that don't matter no I'm gonna die young now and she's gonna miss it and I'm in. That's all I've you know. That's it that's the cosmic background radiation of my my anxiety yeah but that's true and so I've you know it's all stuff that you know if the podcast does well please

subscribe if you like and leave a review if you like it others may too, you know if I become a latter-day millionaire then perhaps I can afford the the counseling to get me through the next 20 years. Yeah, but please subscribe and listen to the podcast, download it and in that way once the podcast is a mega hit he'll only have his impending death to worry about. And then you can really just focus it on that way. Then you'll be thinking why, the the the the the th th th th th th th th th th thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi, thi, thi, th. Then, perhaps I the th. Then thi, perhaps I th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th thi, perhaps perhaps perhaps perhaps perhaps thi, perhaps thi, perhaps thi, perhaps thi, perhaps thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi, perhaps he'll only have his impending death to worry about. Yeah. And then you can really just focus it on that worry. Then you'll be thinking, why does this come so late? Why? I can't believe it. Yeah. Why did I have to wait until I was 54 to be able to order my own custom Gibson, let's Paul 1959 reissue? I could have been enjoying this for the last 25 years.

Ridiculous. You'll probably get to about 110, right, and you'll be going, now I'm a fucking burden to her because I've lived so long. Classic me, fuck, say. Now look what I've done. All those marathons I did that help my heart get stronger. I should have died in this 79. I wouldn't have been such a terrible fucking burden. I should have just died when she was born it would have been easier for everyone. It's true lads. It's really sad but it's so true. But you know, as I've noticed, the people will be on this podcast, I am finding it instructive and I'm finding it helpful and thank you very much. It is like a sort of, I don't know, like a free counseling session in an of itself. Thank you.

Oh, that's nice. I don't think it's that kind of thing of like, we don't really know what we talk about me and Josh, but I just think, but just by saying what you're worried about out loud to people that are going to judge or tell you, oh, don't you're thu worry, don't..... that's, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, thin, thin, that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. Oh, that's. Oh, that's. Oh, that's, that's, that's, that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's, that's, that's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. I. That's. I. That's. That's. I. Oh, that's. I. That's. That's. Oh, that's. That's. That's. th. th. th. th. that's. that's not. that's that's not. that's not that's kind. that's kind kind that's kind that's kind th. that kind that kind that kind that kind that kind of that kind that kind of that kind of that kind of, that's kind that's kind that's kind that's kind of, I think it massively helps. Because once you said it out loud, it's not in your ed. And that's where it really gets messy up there, do you know what I mean? That's really true. I'm not good at that. I don't think I'm a very good listener actually, which is ironic because my job is partially interviewing people and listening. But you know, like I don't think my wife would say I'm a good listener a lot of the time. So just you saying that and I've heard it, it's made me think back to at least 70 different occasions where I've done that kind of,

oh, there's stuff like, it's fine. Don't worry about that, I'm gonna die. I've got me to end up me jumper in, you're worried about that, yeah? I'm gonna die. I'm gonna die. I've gonna these these these these these these th gonna th gonna th we we, we're all going to die. Oh God. You've had some great guests on, you have a really wide range of guests on Daily Grind from Romesh to the day before Ainsley Harriet. Oh, that was a good week, man. That was Monday and Tuesday about two weeks ago that.

I was a real, did a real Nicholas Cage high kick, you know. Who did you prefer? Oh come on, obviously, Arnie, obviously. You know, Ramesh is, you know, he's sitting outside in the car waiting, he's going to drive me into work, I'm going to do another interview with him in a minute. Because, you know, he's always got a summit I'm gonna do another interview with him in a minute because you know he's always got something to promote hasn't he? He's one of the great talents of our time from me Janash but Ainsley was a particular delight partially because he's he's like a shaft of serotonin isn't he?

And when you actually meet him and you spend time with him you realize it's not it's not it's not tits and teeth it's not because now now now now now now now now now now now now now now now now now now now now now now now now now now now now now now now now now now now now now now the the th th th th th th th th th th th th th the the th the the the the the the the the the the the the the he the he's he's he's he's he's their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their they. they. they. they. they. they. they. th. th. He's not. He's not. He's not. He's not because, oh, now I'm on, he's just like that, he's making everybody's day. Yeah. Oh, thank you very much for that cup of tea, the best cups of tea I've ever had that. You know, he's like, he went to the Marshall Amps factory in Bletchley. Yeah, I was there last week actually. Great, isn't it? Oh, ah. It's just, you just come back from Nashville, I didn't.

Yeah, yeah, I'm looking at the old fucking banjos. Sean, we always end by asking if there's one thing that your wife does that is incredible as a parent that you can't ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever to to th th. th th th. that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that's that's that's that's great. I was that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's. I that's. I I I that's. I I I I I was. I was. I I was. I was. I was. I was. I was that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's there's one thing that your wife does that is incredible as a parent that you can't ever measure up to and one thing that she does that you haven't brought up but it's an annoyance that if she heard this it'd be a way for you to communicate it to her about her parenting. And feel free, we know, you could feel free to talk, you know, if you also wanted to go to your ex-you, you, you, to go, to go, to go, to go, to go, to go, to go, to go, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, and to, to, to, to, to me, to me, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, and to, and to, and to, and to, and to, and to, and to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, the the the the the the to, tho, to, to, to, thoome, to me, to me, tooome, tooomorrow, to me, to me, to me, to, to, to, to, to, to, know, answer about your current wife, but if you also wanted to go to your ex-wife, you know, that's not demanded, but it would be welcomed, but that's on you to decide. Literally, it's like you've put the bag over my head and you're walking me off the end of the plankier. I mean, this is terrifying. I mean, talk about poison chalthat? I mean, I would probably play it with a pretty safe bat, lads, to be honest.

And I'd say that. Yeah, stick with your current wife, I tell you. Wife, you'd say. Yeah, current wife. It really is, honestly, you had to live with me. You probably, I think that be all right depending on what I say no but I think I learn a lot from my wife about how you should parent and that's the honest truth because the thing that I've never been any good at as

I've always said I've said before on this very podcast is having the courage of your convictions and sticking to what you're doing, sticking to your guns and being clear. And I think if you start your kid off when the little with that idea, even if what you're saying shined, right, I think if you set up that dynamic that, well, if mom says it or if dad says it, I've got no choice, that's what we're gonna have to do. We're gonna have to go with it. It's amazing the. The benefits the benefits the benefits the benefits the benefits the benefits the benefits, the benefits the benefits, the benefits, the benefits, the benefits, the benefits, if the benefits, if, if, if the the the the the th, if th, if th, if th, if you're th, if you're th, if you're thi th, if thi, if you're thi, if you're thi, if you're thi, if you're thi, if you're thi, if you're thi, if you thi, if you thi, if you thi, if thi, if thi, if thi, thi thi thi, thi thi thi th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi's thin. thi's thin. thi's to thi's to to thin. to to to thi. to to thi. thi. thi choice, that's what we're going to have to do. We're going to have to go with it. It's amazing the benefits that you can leave from that.

And I, when I hear myself trying to parent, especially the older ones, I'm like, fucking out. I wish I had this lesson 15 years ago, you know, because it would have made life a lot easier. So you know, I've got little but props to show on on my wife when it comes to doubt. I mean, yeah, she's annoying this fuck as well. I mean, she's from Yorkshire for Christ's sake, you know, so she's always, she's always right even when she's wrong. I mean, I always say this like, you know, I think the highest point of Yorkshire is like 300 foot high than the highest point of Lancashire and she's literally always looking down on her and so you know she there are hills that she will die on

parent wise that I wouldn't even bother with you know what I mean it's like well just just let her have the cup of milk now why does it why thi that thi tho thi to thee. thoo thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi the thi thi thi the the. the. they they they they they they they they they they they're they're they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they the their their their their their thi thi thi thi thi thi to to thi to to thi to to to-s try try try try try try try try try they're they're they're they're they're they're the in the middle of that what I'm just saying I'm proving my own point that I'm I just give up too easily. Right. So I grudgingly accept that she's right and that her way gets results. Okay, fairer. But it pisses me off. And yeah, just fucking relax.

So she always thinks she's right but she normally is right and that's annoying. That's right. That's right. That's all. That's right. Okay, cool. Thanks, Sean. Good up with the podcast. It's smashing. It's a great guess. Day grind out out every day of the week. Parvon. Wherever you get your podcast, subscribe if you like and leave a review. There you go. Cheers Sean. Cheers Very good. Cheers, Sean, guys. Sean Keveny. Yes. Big fan of Sean Keveny.

I like Sean Keveny. Yeah, it's lovely bloke, isn't he? Do you like all my Gibson chat? Yeah, I loved it. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I'm a shape. to me. I can chat to anyone anyone anyone anyone anyone anyone anyone anyone anyone anyone anyone anyone about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about anything anything anything anything anything anything anything anything anything anything anything anything anything anything anything anything anything anything anything anything anything anything anything anything anything anything anything anything anything anything anything anything anything anything anything anything anything anything anything anything You've got this big fluffy bit at the back of your hair. Have I? Let me have a look at mine.

Lean forward a bit. Oh that? Oh yeah. Oh yeah, I just pushed it up like that, hadn't I? Gright me ere long, I like the broiner. Oh, nice. Anyway, we're back next week. See you, bye. See you, bye.