Parenting Hell with Rob Beckett and Josh Widdicombe - S8 EP24: Jonathan Ross & Honey Ross

Episode Date: March 29, 2024

Joining us this episode to discuss the highs and lows of parenting (and life) are our very first father / daughter combo - Jonathan Ross and Honey Ross. You can listen to their brilliant podcast 'Reel Talk' wherever you get your podcasts. Parenting Hell is a Spotify Podcast, available everywhere every Tuesday and Friday. Please leave a rating and review you filthy street dogs... xx If you want to get in touch with the show here's how: EMAIL: [e-mail] INSTAGRAM: @parentinghell MAILING LIST: parentinghellpodcast.mailchimpsites.com  A 'Keep It Light Media' Production  Sales, advertising, and general enquiries: [e-mail] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, I'm Rob Beckett. And I'm Josh Winnockham. Welcome to Parenting Hell, the show in which Josh and I discuss what it's really like to be a parent, which I would say can be a little tricky. So, to make ourselves and hopefully you feel better about the trials and tribulations of modern-day parenting, each week we're chatting to a famous parent about how they're coping. Or hopefully how they're they're tha be hearing from you the listener with your tips, advice and of course, tales of parenting woe. Because let's be honest, there are plenty of times when none of us know what we're doing.

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called parenting. Lovely. K-R-C-A-F. Kind of regards Chloe and Flora. Lovely. Well, that was lovely that was. Yeah, glad we got a big jersey following. Yeah. Well, thank you very much. Yeah, TTC trying to conceive. Here we go. Here we go there. We got there. That Mumsnet has a lot of those the acronyms don't they. Yeah, they love it. What's the one of like my husband? What are the husband? the husband? their tho. the. Yeah. the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. that. th. th. th. the. th. the. the. th. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. the. tha. the. thea. the. the. the. the. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t find them. Have a list of months. Why don't we play a quick game?

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Anyway, I think we've run this dry. Yeah. We've got Jonathan and Honey Ross today, Rob. Yes, oh, excited about this. It was a good one, on it. Oh, this is one of the greats. This is the first time I've had father and daughter, also as well, we both love Joddorfer Ross, long career in the industry, from a selfish point of view for us, I've always found it very interesting to see how someone that's been in

the public eye for a long time with children has dealt with that and the impact it's had on the kids because that's something that we're living with right now where our children are going to school and stuff and we're thagh..... and stuff and stuff and stuff and we are their their th. And their to to to to to their to to their to th. their th. th. th. thi. thi. th thi. th the. the. the. thi. the. the. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to th. th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I to to to to to to to th. I to th. I to th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I the. I the. I'm the. I'm the. I'm the. I'm thin. I'm the the the the the thou to the to the thou the the the the an the an to to school and stuff and we're on the tele and bits and bobs so it was really interesting to see but it was almost really exciting to see how what a wonderful relationship they have yeah it was an incredible relationship I think was it you always talking to you who said you know we've all been on things with Jonathan Ross it's tough to compete because he's got such an incredible mind and she absolutely not only holds her own but to tom not the their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their. their. their. th. th. th. th. th. thi thi. thi. thi. to to thi. It's to to to to to to to to to to to to they's they's they's they's they's they's they's they's they's they's they's they's they's they's they's they's they's they's they's they's they's is is they's is their is their is their is their is their is their is their is their is their is their is their is their is their their their te. te. te. today. tttoday. ttttoday tttttttttttttttto. their their their their the but tom tom smacks his bum as well. Yeah. Not literally just to be clear. That's mental but you know I mean in a you know anecdotally any conversation. Yeah. It's a weird it's a weird analogy but you get what I mean don't you Josh. I do. The podcast real talk

spell REEL like because it's about cinema is available now on all your platforms. Here's Jennifer and honey. Here's you're back on screen now. You've got us. I think it's... We've just got honey. It'll shit. It'll shit. It's not a problem, no, we can hear him. Everyone knows me anyway, I don't care. Yeah. Not one wants to look at this. Even I don't want to look at this. I'd pay good money not to look at this. Nothing worse than than than than than than than th th th th th th th th th th th th th th. I thi to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the to their. to to bea. to bea. tooes. I' too. I'll too. I'll too. I'll to to to to to to to to to their. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I'm the the the. I'm the. I'm the. I'm thea. I'm thea. I'm tea. I'm tryea. I'm tryea. I'm thea. I'm toea. I'm thea. I'm thea. I'm to look at this. Nothing worse than at my age when you go to the toilet like three or four in the morning

and you forget not to look towards the mirror. And you sort of like slurped past it. Like jubber. Like jubber. A sort of sentient bin bag past the mirror. Right past it. I would say though, Jonathan and honey joining us, that you, that you, that you, that you, that you, that you, that you, that you, that you, that you, that you, that you, th and you are, th and you're, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, thoom. thoom, and you're, and you're thoom-I. thoom-like, and you're, and you're, and you're, and you're, and you're, and you, and you, and you, and you, and you, and you, and you, and you, and you, and you, and you, and you, and you, and you, and you, and you, and you, and you, and you, and you, and you, and you, and th. th. th. th. th. th. th. tho, thi. thi. tho, tho, tho, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like,'ve started moaning about your age, but I think the hair is the key, isn't it? Having good hair when you're older. Isn't that the very definition of being damned by faint praise?

You look very good. See if you'd have ended up with, Rob. See if you'd have ended with the conversation, Rob, we would have had you on the show. Do you know what? I'm interested in this, Rob. Why are you so obsessed with baldness, Rob? It's the third time this week you've told me you're relieved you're not bald? Because I've realized a lot of my friends and people I work with that are my age, tho' their loa's like it goes earlier than this. It would have thinned out. Yeah, if it was going to go.

I'm not worried about losing. Are you not? You just want to make them feel bad? Yeah, okay. The fucking. I'm fine. going he has never used bottle dye this is all his he's natural yeah I presumed you dyed your hair never why would I you know me well love do you think I give enough of a shit about anything to brother spending any extra time on grooming whatsoever I resent the fact I have to shower

he's true it's but he really does you know I sometimes go at least a week with that shower really yeah he hates to be clean but he really does. You know, I sometimes go at least a week without showing. That's your favorite little treaty. Yeah, he hates to be clean. At least, so does Jane sometimes. Well, like a couple of hamsters in their own straw in that bed. You're filthy. Yeah. And so when was the last time you shower, honey? It was yesterday. What's wrong with you? I didn't do the exercise. How often do you shower, honey? Is that a fair question? Or are we going to spread it out?

How dare you? No, I said, start with that. God, I think my rebellion, as your child was now, I bathe way too much. I have a half a day. I have a swed bathing. I didn't have a shower thrown. I'm a shower. I'm a shower. I'm a shower. I. I didn't have. I didn't have. I didn't have shower. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't have to have to have to have to have to have a shower. I didn't have to have a shower. I didn't have a shower. I didn't have a shower. I didn't have a shower. I didn't have a shower. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't have. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I didn't. I. I was. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't have a shower. I didn't have a shower. I didn't have a shower. I didn't have a shower. I didn't have a shower. I didn't have a shower. I didn't have a shower. I didn't have a shower. I didn't have a shower. I didn't have a shower. I tax as a rebellion. How often do you shower Rob? Every day yeah even if you've got nothing on so every morning even if I've got nothing on he doesn't show in clothes. Well I go out in the rain does that count? Yeah I'll get I have a shower

every morning if I'm going somewhere or doing something if I'm just doing the school run then I'm doing a bit of exercise or walking the dog later. Yeah, yeah. Old shower that night before bed. Would you? That's as stinky as I get. I love being clean. But the other extreme, the other extreme though, is I sometimes shower before having a bath, do you the baths.

the debris? Well, we should do that at the intros properly. Obviously we've got Jonathan Ross and Honey, Honey, Honey Ross. Honey, honey, honey Ross? Honey Ross? Honey Ross? What you mean, what's her surname? I didn't know. I'd say that's actually the more exciting surname these days. Yeah, you are a Goldman and the Ross, wouldn't you, at a moment? I mean, but you don't have a saying the matter because legally, you are bound to me for life,

unfortunately. I am yours, yes, I was sworn. I mean, you could, kids can get separated from their parents. I'm emancipation. I've loved into it, parent we've had on the show. Wow. Yeah, we've got Andy and Miquita Oliver coming up, which is mother and daughter. Have you had father and sons a lot then? Is it just conventional old school thinking on your part? Or it's just not many young women want to come on. I think we're the first intergenerational, it's quite fun to interview people, you know, who are cross-generation, we can say, honey, which parents work are

you more proud of? Oh my God. Put me on the spot. If I were you, I would be more proud of mom's work. I think I'm incredibly proud of both of you because you've both done so many wonderful things independently. I've worked much harder and much longer than she had. She did it with kids. She did it with kids.

You weren't like carrying children. Like okay this is not me you know snapping out your shine because you're incredible. Here's the deal. Like she started her film career after she had three kids. You were childless and a TV presenter, yeah, which is amazing but it's not the same level of effort as incredible screenwriting and carrying children. And we all complain less about it. Writers, you've never, I've got two writers, I'm like, oh my God, they act like they're rebuilding the Ottoman Empire.

No, it was a tough day. I tell you what's a tough day, a tough day, apart from sitting on your front of a computer screen and all in deliver who. And yet somehow, somehow writing is so hard. I tell you what, try doing what I used to. Try doing a little bit of removals. That's hard on a wet Wednesday morning when you're carrying a double filing cabinet upstairs with a lazy man on the other end. What was the last time you did removals? That's not the point Rob. Try and stay focused on the filing cabinetstime you did removals? That's not the point of. Try and stay focused to the... Not even as filing cabinets anymore. I still move stuff for and I'm not very attentive father whenever you need anything done at your house.

Yes, you will help me move things. I take your rubbish away when your rubbish is built up. The number of times I've leftied your cat's little I've seen carry a whole mattress out of my siblings house. Oh double a single a double a double a double on his own on his own on a windy day I'd have been gone. I hope you had a shower after that Jonathan. He definitely didn't he sticks to the hair dye the mattress and he just balanced it off the tuck I tell you what I tell you I tell you what I tell you I tell tell tell tell tell tell tell tell tell tell tell tell tell I the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the to the I'm w. I the I the I the I the I to to to to to the to that I should should should should should should should should should should should should should should. I should. I should. I should. I should. I'll should. I'll should. I'll should. I'll should. I'll should. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll something which I shouldn't share with you, but I once went, when we were on holiday, we have a place over in Florida which we've been going to since you, well we had it since before you were born, so you've only ever known that.

Because it's sunny and I'm jumping out of a swimpo, I didn't think about it, I probably didn't think about it. I probably didn't showe to save didn't go. I'm not making it up. I had to shave the hair off my armpit. Oh my worst. It was so ingrained. Did you balance it up or did you have one shaved armpe? Oh, I just did the one because why would you do two?

The other one was still fresh. Wait, that's bizarre. That's a bizarre choice to me. Well I favored the right arm was doing all the work. Yeah so what you do in that right arm to get it that smelly and swearing and overworld? That's a low bar Rob that's even for Josh even for Rob that's an obvious. Look I just funded why it was one arm to another. Look Rob you can go on to Jonathan Ross's. Ray accused Rob of doing a dad joke. Oh, you've got a piece of dad joke by National Treasure. Oh my goodness. I know.

That was a tough shift after John Squire. I was still reeling it. You did very much do a lot of heavy lifting there and I appreciate that. That was carrying a fucking mattress. No, I'm a chippin' mattress. But sometimes you do the show and you do have to earn your money. That's the way it goes.

That's the place. Fair enough. Honey, what's it like, what's it like, their dad, you're working with your mom and your dad being so well known? And also like, not only is your dad being so well known and also like not only is your dad Jonathan famous he was like an extrovert with his clothes and acquires taste? Yeah, it does an interesting question. The man dressed as Freddie Kruger. I mean I've been incredibly lucky like you're a wonderful father. Genuinely like hand on heart being very earnest. I'm incredibly lucky. I love my parents. We encourage earnest as well so don't

worry about that. We'll snip that out. Okay. I'm saving that my parents. Clearly, no, I'm incredibly close to my parents. Clearly, like we have a film podcast that we do together, which kind of came out of our actual interest and just talking about films together all the time and I'm best friends with my mom. I love my parents clearly. Growing up in the public eyes weird. It's very surreal. I mean nobody really wants to hear about it because it's like oh it must have been so hard for you. It was strange you know I like I remember once my bedroom window was on the news and that was quite unsettling. But all things considered. That was during the Sax skate period where I stayed indoors for long while. As advised the the the the the the the the the the BBC the BBC the BBC the BBC the BBC the BBC the BBC the BBC the BBC the BBC the BBC the b I said the b. I said th. I said th. I said th. I was th. I was th. I was th. I was th. I was th. I was th. I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was thi. But, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, thi. But, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho. tho. tho. tho. thooo. the. the. But, the. I was, the. I was, the. That was during the Saxgate period where I stayed indoors for a long while. As advised and requested by the BBC, I said, let me just go out and speak to him, get rid of him.

No, stay in when you, yeah. And I think they had done agenda, which they never fully shared for me. And so we had like to the journalist. Yeah, two months. long I could keep it. One time I had to go out and I went over the back wall and went through someone else's garden got a car to pick me up somewhere else you got out in the town and came back in. And were you going to school and stuff during that time, huh? Yeah. I was going to school and like pushing through the crowds. Like I was like, I was like bring them tea because they'd be out there for hours so you were like let's like make a pot of two for them and

like give them to you for something we only did that once it wasn't like it was it was a cuck up and say but what was I was gonna say I was gonna come out and say I'm glad I did it which was a to come out of a't done it. But it was that kind of like frenzy. And that was kind of before, things are a lot calmer now. Ever since all the hacking came out, the papers have quite rightly backed off of being quite as vindictive and quite as ludicrous as they were at the time. And I think it had very down in a way which must be difficult for you.

No, oh my God, I'd do it again. Like you were kind of cocooning and hiding and we watched all of sex in the city together. And like I have really fond memories of that time. Obviously it was a really dark time and complicated, but like we always, because as much as my dad presents as an extrovert. He's he's, he is, he is, he is, he th, he is, like he loves his own company. He would be on his own most of the time if he could. So that was my way in of like we would watch things together and be cozy together. I think if anything I'm just jaded by the media. I don't remember watching sex me together. I remember some shoes but I remember some shoes but was there because you grew up as you say like door of celebrities and stuff, but did

you have discussions you and Jane about whether you were going to take your children into public what the rules were or was it kind of different in that time? You mean in public, like just going out in public? Yeah, or going to events and stuff. You know what, we didn't even think about it, maybe we should have done? But no I think we we thought we weigh their their their, we're th, we didn't, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th.. We're, thi, thi, thi, thi, thin, thin, to to to, tho, to to, their, their, their, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, toge, toge, toge, tolde, tolde, tolde, tolde, tolde, told, their, their, but no I think we thought we're going to live our life the way we've always lived our life and in the same way and not let things change. And bear in mind as well, you know, most of the time I've known both of you, most of honey's life, I have been quite successful on TV, but I had beckled very successful in tea, but I became very successful, I became very, th................ finished really or certainly slipped way from the top tea I was no one's first choice and so I'd had a kind of roller coaster anyway so and that was

the year we had our first child Betty was born in 1990 and so it was like I wasn't particularly a news story then yeah yeah people were interested I suppose but there wasn't that much and then my career didn't really to kick off into the way that you were not until 2000, which would have been when you were three. Yeah. Because 2000 was when I'd, well about 1990 it doesn't, was I moved back to the BBC, started doing the Radio 2 show that was very popular, started doing the talk show again that became the very popular show for them. So I suppose I'd had that period with Betty and Harvey where we had been of less interest. And once again, and the press was not to to to to to to to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be the the they. they. the the the their, the their, th. th. th. th. th. thi, thi, well, well, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I'm, I'm, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. I was, about. It became really bad about 97, 9899, when they were just following, I'd go out with Harvey across the field and I'd see two people in the bushes. Yeah.

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How old you've been at this point? Oh my God. I think you went to all of the Harry Potter films. I was doing the film show then so I remember going to the set of the first one before it was finished and interviewing the kids there then I think I hope was success. And then do you remember the one they had one premiere that's amazing where you drove a little way out of town but they set up a train at some such which was like the premiere in the Hogwarts Express? No. That was incredible but it also it's kind of nice because we have this strangest kind of collection of photos of us that exist that we didn't even know were being taken of us in the weirdest outfits like at early 2000 premieres like hi like looking

absolutely feral because we obviously we don't have the best taste. No, do you see don't say that about yourself. We have great taste. We have great taste. It's just not everyone's cup of tea. I don't ever think I look anything other spectacular. Even when I know objectively I look terrible. No, you look great. You always look great. What was the... Sorry, I got distracted by the thought of Jonathan's outfit that he wore, the big shoulders. It was a good jacket. That was a fairly modern jacket. But I wore a jacket, I wore an outfit when I did Tipping Point last time, I love

going on those sort of shows. You're so weirdly good at Tipping Point as well. I'm so proud of you. They definitely chase and tipin point. They make it easier when the celes are always a little bit easier. The questions are always a little bit. A hundred percent. The the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. The th. The th. The th. The th. I th. I th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm thi. I th. I'm th. I'm th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I tip. I tip. I tip. I tip. I tip. I I tip. I I I I I I I I tip. I I I tip. I I tip. I t. I t. I t. I t. I tip. I tip. I tip. I tip. I tip. I tip. I tip. I tip. I tiping. I tiping. I tiping. I tiping. I tiping. I tiping. I tipick. We ever heard about a guy called Napoleon. And you go yeah I've heard of him yeah and waterloo. Anyway and the first question where did Napoleon beat his defeat? I went on tipping point and I never know what to wear anyway and I really care I just want to be comfortable to be honest with you. I'm wearing elasticated trousers as we speak. I dug out a jacket that I recently got out of one of my cupboards, which was a jacket I bought in like 91, which was a weird, very broad shoulder, Jean-Paul Gouchet, with no buttons, you have to slip it over your head, but it looks like a formal jacket,

but it's nipped, some big flare travels from the same period, a weird shirt, a weird, bingo. Went on there, I about a week, like, you know the way they do the thing, if someone says something on Twitter and the newspapers pick it up as if everyone's been saying. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. And it was like, tipping point fans left confused and upset by Jonathan Ross's clothing. You can find this online. It says, one person said, boy, he looks like he dressed in the 90s.

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top which is vintage jump or go to a today from my dad but it is a V down to my belly button that's how deep the V is and then it's a lace up and then people like, oh, I love your top. That's a bit sexy and I'm like, yeah, it was my dad's in the night. I'm sorry, I've got correct, that was, that was Tierra Mugler. Sorry, it's a Tierra Mugler top, which I used to look dynamite in back when I had a waste. Yeah, and now I've got the waste for you, but. But career wise, I've got this guest on and I think it might be a bit of a tricky area. What do you think is the approach? What are the correct words to use without alienating someone from that world? And often the advice is good. Sometimes it swings a little bit too far in one direction, then I would maybe be comfortable with not from you so much. But certainly career-wise, I did make a decision based on a ta ta. I was offered quite a their.. A thi. A thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. toe. toe. toe. toe. too. too. too. too. too. too. toda. toe. toda. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. I turned that down partly because the main reasons I didn't want you guys to grow up in America. Yeah

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Yeah, you know which one I'm going to be extent and I've always been I consider himself very lucky I mean obviously I've been lucky in many ways but in my career what's the most beneficial for me as a sort of like just as a human being connected with you is that the working hours we have in TV aren't regular working hours or they very rarely are they offer a handful of people if you're certainly behind the scenes but if you're front of camera you have much less of an early start a much more late finish every day when I was doing my heaviest workload at the BBC even then I didn't have to leave to go to work before I dropped you guys at school yeah you always to the most mornings and more often than not I could be there to either

collect you from school at least be home when you got home you know unless I was on a studio day as well as I used to do the film show we recorded it in the middle of the afternoon. The only thing that really impacted was when I did that radio show of about 11 years and that was every Saturday morning live. I used to feel bad and good because I knew that mom was after find time with you and I felt good because I could be away from all of us. three or four blessed hours. But I remember when you used to do the radio show, you would like do a tribute song to us. You'd know we'd be in the car driving, you'd be like, this one goes out to honey and Jane like on their way to wherever we were going. And like, that's so sweet.

Even when you're working, you'd find a time to kind of acknowledge our existence. I bet Romash won't be doing that. the great things about your kind of partnership on the podcast is you can feel the different in generation attitude wise I'm trying to I'm just how to frame that I didn't realize before but this is good cop bad cop that what ends to be a simple person you have pretend to have depth. How often do you end to have depth? Deep cop, shallow cop, that's what we play. Now that's real talk.

How often do you end up in arguments about kind of... No, we don't argue. I don't think we've argued for years. I think occasionally we've had family tension around films, but that's more to do if someone has... when we've been along with someone else in the family and they really hated the movie and then if people are praising it and you see them simmering in the back of the van thin, weigham. We've had that one to try.

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to what is probably a much-needed debate by now about the proliferation and nuclear weapons. But having said, It's all fine and I'm thrilled people like it and I'm really pleased it did so well because it is a least an attempt at making movies which are different. I like superhero films, I like blockbusters, I love a good Jason Statham, but I want cinema to have a bit of everything and that's how we continue it. But do you think you think you've soft, remember that big row having David Bediel? Well, Reagan we're like an old couple, you're like an old married couple. And he loved the film Pearl Harbor and I thought it was just awful and I maintained my

opinion is still that it's barely watchable, God fake historical nonsense and he loved it and we had a big row almost ended the 7 of 5th. We had another big row about 28 days later and I admit I was being pedantic. Yes. Should he be here instead? We were on holiday one so but you were there. I think the man of well. And we had such a big film. I had to leave our hotel room and go out and knock on Easter and carry it on. I went no. I've not finished. in a way it is a zombie film, but they're not zombies in it. It's kind of a zombie film. Yeah, but they're not dead. I don't think they can like get better. They've got a virus.

It's basically a COVID film. Oh, you're safe. It's all right. Anyway, what I'm saying is, I'm saying, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, how how how how how how howally linked, we're so connected with the things we like. But then obviously I taste so much because you love like John Wick and like. Born identity? Born identity. Born identity is your favorite, but who's the other one?

Mission Impossible? A bit of that? That genre. They've gone off. . Jack, Reacher. I like a bit of Reacher. Honey, do you think you get on because you're similar or you're different and that's why you get on? What do you think it is?

Because you've got such a relaxed sort of bond. It doesn't feel like you clash too much, but is that because you're the same or different? Oh, I think it's someone, I's, I, I, I, I very well. We just have a lot in common. I'm just very, I don't want to fight. I'm very conflict of last. So if someone says like, I've bloody hated that, I'll go like, okay, that's all right. Like that's fantastic. I liked it, but whatever floats your boat, you know. The thing is, I respect you and I respect your opinion. If I didn't respect your opinion. Thank you. If I didn't respect your opinion, I wouldn't do it with you. Oh, and he wouldn't, I know that. You definitely wouldn't. You wouldn't want to think it.

Life's too short and I'm not long left. Oh, don't say that? Honey, when you were growing up and now, is it the same? Or was it different with like, go to mom or do you go to dad or can you go to both and did that change from being younger to now? Depends on the problem. I was literally going to say the exact same thing. It really depends on the problem. It depends on the kind of advice I know I need. I'm the sane one, James, the emotional one. That's one way of putting it. That's one of the crazy. Sure. If I want like no nonsense, like, like, tha, th. I, th. I, th. I, to, to, th. I, to, the, the, the, the, to, the, the, the, the, they, they, the same, the same, the same, the same, the same, the same, the same, the same, the same the same the the the same the exact the same the same the same the same the same the same the same the same the same the same that, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, the same the same the same the same the same th is th is th is, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it's th is th is the same, the same, the same, the same, the same, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, the that, the that, the same same the same the same that, the same that what you've got to do like tough love I'll go to dad. If I want like my sweetheart my gorgeous baby angel don't worry like blah blah blah blah

I go to my mom. If I want to be like gently coddled which I often do I will go to my mom but if I want someone to be like back in the 80s I did this and you know to do this because of to for that? Yeah, I turn into a bow boy. They all filing cabinet story comes out again. When he moved a cabinet in 1953. The amount of times I've heard about that filing cabinet. I've got many more stories about my gaze in the removal world if you're interested. He lost a fingernail lifting a filing cabinet. I did a bit of decorating once.

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And that was when one of them was outside and she went, oh, she went, you know my uncle. I went, oh yeah, what's his name? She went to to situation, but... But that was like the extent of it. So I saw that and was like, I don't necessarily want to do that, but then I obviously ended up like, as a teenager drinking too much, you'd have to pick me up from a party. You did flow up out of the window of the van on something.

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It's more emotional coaching, I think. Which came from? My mother? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's been big question though that one. Best advice, I haven't really given you that much. I've given you advice about specifics. I think you definitely like I've come to you going like, career wise, should I do this kind of thing? Should I do that? And you're like, I always think, because I don't have a lot of good advice. I don't have a good advice. I to give. I to give. I to give. I to give. I to give. I to give. I to give. I to give. I to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to their their their their their their their their their thi. I. I. I. I was like, what? And to me that's not great advice because I love my friendships. I love having to go. I like the, I'm like, oh, who needs friends? Oh, come on.

Do you add another David Badeel, Jonathan? Are you reeling from another? Here's a thing. Friends are like seasons. They come and go, they may come again. Yeah, maybe you have a bad winner. But don't let that be all of it. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, self-reliance is very important. And there are a handful of people in your life are gonna be always, you're always gonna be involving, you're always gonna,

and sometimes you're gonna be saying, why can I not pull away this person is because you have a love or a bond which is very deep, I'm talking about your mother, but there will be friends who come and go and it's like it is great but you can't, I think any young person that you can't allow yourself to be worried all the time about what they think or what you should do for them or what you should do with them, you know, you've got to enjoy them. It's got to be a very equal relationship and sometimes I think you'll give a bit too much of yourself to your friends and they don't give as much back. So that's kind of what I remember that. I think I've now got really good friends and it's completely 50-50-50 give a fucking ass. You have had some models as well. Betty had some real motors. Harvey very much like you keeps himself to himself. He's a good boy. Harvey has a handful of those friends and they sort

still hang out together. They're so sweet friends. How do you deal with that though if you look like, so at the time honey, you just think these friends are great and you're 15, 16 and you've got your friends. Jonathan you're going, I've marked her card. She's not very nice friend, but you can't do or say anything. You sort of have to let honey find out for herself. Now what you do is you quietly exclude those ones from things. So you say, you're an inverse friend's friend, you know, you have like four round. I would suggest why don't you invite so and so on so and so on, so and they say so and maybe not to know.

Yeah, we're really honest with it. It's like, and we'll explain why. It's not just, we don't take a random dislike to someone. Yeah, they're hair cut. And when you point out to someone normally, they have an inkling anyway. Yeah. Yeah. I'm very aware of when a friendship is souring. And I'm also not afraid to end a friendship. Like I'm pretty, I'm actually a bit too good at ending a friendship. I'll just, I'll just, I'll ghost, I'll ghost, I'll ghost, I'll ghost, I'll ghost, I'll ghost, I'll ghost, I'll ghost, I'll ghost, I'll ghost, I'll ghost, I'll ghost, I'll ghost, I'll ghost, I'll ghost, I'll ghost, I'll ghost, I'll ghost, I'll ghost, I'll ghost, I'll ghost, I'll ghost, I'll go, I'll go, I'll ghost, I'll ghost, I'll go, I'll th. I'll th. I'll th. I'll th. I'll th. I'll th. I'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they'll they, they, they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll thi. they'll they'll thi. they have have they have they're thi. they're they have have they have they're they have they're they has to be done. No, I think you shouldn't feel too guilty about not a friendship waning, and you shouldn't take it to heart if it wanes from the other side either. It's, you come in alone, you go out alone, that's why I look at it, you know. My opinion, don't start a friendship. I do think friendships. I do. I love them. You've got too many friends Josh I think. Josh I think we're on the same page. Exactly we

should be friends. Got an opening for new friends. Come on. Brooker. Everybody is bickering with the deal like it doesn't have to be like that. My understanding of Jonathan Ross when you would have been growing up. the. from what was going on on your chat show Jonathan and you were saying Johnny Vegas would come around you had a lot of famous friends but not friends no people who I like in a well disposed to but here's the deal and that's a fair I think that's a very honest assessment I have a lot you two I I like both of you yeah you not really friends because we're not like how often do we actually hang out? Yeah, yeah. We don't. I've seen Rob much more than Josh for obvious reasons. And I offer you my friendship and I feel you are well disposed towards me. But when I'm saying about friends

I'm talking about people who you phone up like every day almost yeah you hang out with at least once a week I hadn't seen David for a couple weeks David but this probably my closest male friend yeah but I found him the other day so we could have 10 minutes and we ran out no specific plan at the end to get together, it was like loosely we will obviously see each other again. So unlike, I'd probably do the same again next week, or he'd do the same to me. And so there's a handful of kernel of people

who you surround yourself with who are your real friends and other people. But I am, I'm generally very open to liking people. What about WhatsApp? Is there a family WhatsApp? Are you, because that's what a lot of friendship is now is, you know, WhatsApp groups, that's how you stay in touch with a lot of people. You don't see them that much, but you'll WhatsApp them when you see a funny thing or, you know, whatever. Once again, that's an odd sort of modern social relationship, and that is sort of replacing friendship, but in my friendship. Sharing a picture of a dog biting a postman is great but it's not a genuine... Post-person actually, Jonathan. Post-person, sorry. Post-person means after a person you become this thing.

Yeah, that's another debate. You know, I'll send you memes and stuff all the time over in the WhatsApp group. I probably do, I probably communicate my, because I find that sort of casual actually very easy, very comfortable. I was going to the WhatsApp group. I probably do it. I probably communicate my because I find that sort of casual actually very easy very comfortable. I was going to say because you've shown me, I remember once my dad showing his phone and went like, look at this video and he'd sent like a weird video of him like doing like a little dance just to like five really random people. It's like Sir Alan Sugar like you just like you just like Send out something, get it back. Keeping in tou toub. And that's his love of friendship. So, Shug, as I call him, he likes to receive the occasional, me and Alan we have a relationship. Me and Alan we have a relationship where we basically only touch like twice a year and I really like Alan's sugar.

He'll be out some ways he flies his own little plane. He flew out to see me and got picking up from his little plane and Jane said don't bring him home. Our home was always an estate disarray. She just was a house she just didn't want to hang out there which I understand I said we went to a local restaurant I drove to the plane I watched him fly off I was like to the their the When he's out shopping somewhere, if he sees really, really horrible clothing, he'll send me a picture and saying, what's your size? That's good stuff. How many do you want? They'll send me like pink crocodile shoes, which by the way, I have a pair of pink

pink of the shoes. Of course you do. But he sent me a photo of pink crocodile shoes, athe big bucket, he went, got your name all over it. Yeah, because you had the big massive parties Halloween. Yeah. You get loads of people around and stuff like that, but they're just friends from the industry. Well, they are friends. I think there's tears to quality of friends and that there's a friend you speak to every single day when like everything's going wrong.................. And their.. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their, their, their, their, their, to, to, to, to, to, to, their, their, to, to, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, to, to, to, their, their, their. their. their. to, to, to..... to, to, to, to, to, to...... to, to, to. to, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, th. I. Of. Of, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their the friend you speak to every single day when like everything's going wrong. And then there's the friends where you're like, oh, let's get dinner sometimes and all come to my big Halloween party.

Yeah, well the Halloween party started as a party for you kids. It used to be incredibly tiny. It was just me and my friends. the party a bit more grown up, then we started inviting adults. But we were doing a party just for the kids at home. And you would always rent a costume, like one year dad dressed up as a mummy, like wrapped himself in the toilet paper. No, that year I rented seven costumes, I hid at spots around the garden. Oh my god. And did a tresse around to you, the other. Your grandmother was, to be, tho, tho, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, to.. to. to. to. to. to're like okay I spoke to afterwards I said grandma's got to stick to the script.

Really? They're seven. That's a long way off. They don't need to this literally they were seven. She was talking about menstruation to the girls and it's like you are scaring them in the wrong way. Yeah I had a really bad cold down, I remember because I could smell my own breath in the mummy costume. You know when you got a really bad cold and you confine you got, oh Jesus that's what's coming out of me. So I dressed as a vampire one way, that's what I'm going out of the tour. So I was a wolfman. So I dressed as a vampire. And the wolfman, while they were distracted, the Jewish. I went, I, I, I, I, I, slipped, slipped, I, slipped, slipped, slipped, slipped, slipped, slipped, slipped, slipped, slipped, slipped, slipped, slipped, slipped, slipped, slipped, slipped, slipped, slipped, slipped, slipped, slipped, slipped, slipped, slipped, slipped, slipped, slipped, slipped, slipped, slipped, slipped, slipped, slipped, slipped, slipped, slipped out, slipped out, slipped out,there, I went around the corner, I did all these different shows. The Wolfman. I love that. It's like a Jewish Warthman. Mr. Wolfman.

One of the things I remember listening to your Radio 2 show, or it might be you on Virgin as well, like when I was growing up. I started on Virgin and then I went out of Radio 2 so I was yeah, I was virgin for about two or three years, I th and I th and did the Saturday on Weddia Tour. Because one of the things I remember listening to that show, I don't know what it was, it was a Mother's Day one, and you were speaking to your mom, and you discussed when she found your pornographic magazines when you were growing up. I mean, you say magazines, I think I possibly had one magazine. One magazine, sorry.

Or was it probably shared between you and your five brothers. No the sketches. It was the sketches. It was the sketches. It was there? It was a play tablet. It was a pamphlet. Just from a certain angle, you can imagine, you could see. Obviously you've got a very open relationship with your mom in there. Is that a kind of feeling of the same in your household? Well, honey's generation are very sex positive in the way that we weren't. So they talked they they they they they the they they to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to their to their their to their to their to their their to their to told. to their their to be to be to to to to to to to to to to to to be a to be a certain. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It's to be to be to be just, to be to be to be to be to be to to to their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their te. te. te. te. te. te. their te. te. their te. te. te. tto have to endure and I feel bad because when sometimes I used to do a lot more interaction with the audience during the show and I was on the BBC and before the show as well. And it was much more of a kind of broader comedy talk show than when we do now. People answer questions on that one, as opposed to sit in there, staring. And I remember I would remember I, I, I, I would the the the to to to to to the to to sit a to sit a to sit a the to sit a the to sit a to sit a the to sit a to sit a the to sit, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was the the their, I was their, I was their, I was their, I was their, I was their, I was their, I was their, I was a lot, I was a lot, I was a lot, I was their, I was to, I was their, I was to, I was their, I was their, I was a lot, I was a lot, I was a lot, I was a lot, I was a lot, I was a lot, I was a lot, I was a lot, I was a lot, I was the th. th. I was tape. I was tapo, I was together, I was together, I was together, I was today, I was th., I was the the their, I was their, I was the And I remember I would sometimes joke, and I had a couple of kind of true, but I thought funny anecdotes about my sex love with your mom. But you're quite open with stuff like that.

We're so open. Yeah, I don't talk to honey about sex in the way, like I don't say, hey, getting any, you know, if you don't have a chat like that. If you did, I'd block your number. I hope she's doing whatever she wants with her life. But in every area, that's all I hope. And I hope she would the same way for me. You know, it's like, hope she's happy and fulfilled in any area she wants to be. Because some same area, Jonathan.

We're really open, and especially like, I think we were never the kind of family. I think we were never the kind of family that, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, the the the the, the, the, the. And, I. And, I. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. a joke, I would come to your eyes. But we're pretty open about that kind of thing, especially on the podcast, like we've had a lot of weird conversations about Napoleon and his micro-peness and like we're pretty comfortable having conversations about bodies and sexuality. And when you've got health issues or mom's got health issues which are more of a womanly nature, you talk about very open in front of me and I, the, their, to, the we have areas either based on our relationship as father-daughter or as family or the different sexes. Nothing really feels like... You raised me quite like Scandinavian like quite naked household. Like quite like de-sexualized bodies like yeah. Yeah we used to wander around like if we're in the bath getting out of the bathroom. We were like oh when the kids came in. There was no shame around. But we, like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like. the the the the the their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, or, their, their, the kids came in. There was never shame around that. But we weren't, certainly weren't forcing our nudity into their bedrooms. We were never closed off and not talking about subjects with you.

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little bit more the beginning we show about our lives and our week and I've found that very useful as a way of dealing with issues with your mother that I can actually talk to our world. The thing is, yeah. Is this therapy for you guys? 100% I can hide behind you. It's like I use you as an excuse a lot like so I get home and if I just can't be bothered Jane wants to go through some admin again it's like just pay whatever it is. Get about it. She does do more admin than any human. I don't know. I think we've been overcharged by seven pounds. I don't fucking the thing. I. She. She. She. She. She. She. She. She. She. She. She. She. She. She. She. She. She. She. She. She. She. She. She. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I'm. the. the. the. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. the. the. I'm. I'm. I I'll say, I've got to watch this thing because I'm doing this thing with Honey on the podcast this way. And because I'm doing it with you, it's like, oh, of course. Oh, that's it.

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It's a good way with that one. Just gently let the gas out. No more pot talk. Do you now struggle with the films because me and Rob would go, oh, don't tell me that. I'll save that for the podcast. Is Is a, the the the the the the the the, the, the, the, the, th., th., th. th. I, th. I, thi, thi, thi, I, I, I, I, I, I, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I've, I've, I've, I've, oh, the the the the the the the the the way, I, I got, oh, oh, oh, oh, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I got, I got, I got, I got, I got, I got, I got, I got, I got, I got, I got, I got, I got, I got, I got, I go, I go, I go, I go, I the way. It, I the the the the the the the the the the tho, I've. It, I've to go, to go, to to to to to the to to to the to to the the to the to go, who's the the the good, the good, the good, the the good. It, I go, today off a whole bit of your relationship and conversation? Luckily because it's mainly kind of like sectioned off for films, we can just go, we'll start talking about a film and go, now you know what, save it, keep it fresh. Whereas like we still send each other

like a million videos of like animals doing something cute or people falling over. I like people falling over. I like people falling over. Well sometimes we will, we normally often we see the films together, we, we, we, talk. We normally, often we see the films together anyway, so we will have a brief chat about them afterwards. But we normally have an idea what the other person thinks about it loosely, don't we? But sometimes if Honey wants to tell me about something I really haven't seen anything of or it's like the jailer film you're talking about, it's an extraordinarily bad. I was saying, okay, say because I'd like to hear it for the first. And you. And you. And you. And you. And you, you, the other, the other, the other, the other, the other, the other, the other, the other, the other, the other, the other, the other, the other, the other, the other, the other, the other, the other thi, thi, thi, thi, thinks, thinks, thinks, thinks, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th. th. th so th so th so th so th so th so th so th so th so thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thinks, thinks, thinks, thinks, thinks, thinks, thinks, thinks, thinks, thinks, the other other other other thinks, th all. And if anything it's because we know we're going to see each other once we can do this and we speak a lot about this during the week. Which we were

doing anyway, we were doing anyway. We were doing anyway. But I actually think if anything it's been a real luxury to get to do this with you because I get to spend so much more time with you because you if you had you you you you you you you had it you had it you had it you had it you had it you had it respond to a text. You always do, it was not saying you don't, but like it's very nice that like I really get to see you. I share an office with my mom so I always had that bias like I got to see my mom every single day. And it's so hard writing. I mean try it. Try it and then we'll talk. I actually got into the the podcast by seeing it pop up on like on like on like on like on like on like on like on like on like on like on like on like on like on like on like on like on like on like on like on like on like on like the the the th on like th o' up on like th. th. th. th. I th. th. I th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. the th. th. the the their their their their their their their their their their their th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the th. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the t. I. I. I. I's. I's. I's. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. try. I's. I'm. I'm. I'm try. I'm. I'm try. I'm try. I'm try. I'm. I'm t, try it and then we'll talk. I actually got into the podcast by seeing it pop up on like TikTok and Instagram as clips. It's really nice to see because it's like, it feels like we've just got into your living room

and the conversation you would be having about a film. So it's if you get a real different take on it rather than, you know. We try not to be too dry and too to too too too too too too to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to be to to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be. to be. to be. to kind. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to. to to. to. to. to. to. to. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to to to. to a lot about film, but we're not trying to show off. It's not a kind of film flex. No. Well, because I think we both are confident in our understanding a film, like we have different text, like I've been in the film industry for nearly 10 years. Like you've been reviewing and watching forever.

There's two years. You know, I mean, I changed my, not changed my view, but I sort of like shaped my viewer, because there are different sorts of film criticism and film appraisal anyway. There are kind of areas where you want an academic deep dive into the subplots and the meaning, the subtext, the ontology of film itself maybe. And that's kind of like has a very narrow appeal to people and people who like that know where to find it. And we're not not other the the that kind the that kind that kind that the that that that's that's that's that's that's kind that's kind that's that's that's kind that's kind that's kind that's kind that's kind that's kind that's kind that's kind that's kind that that that that that's kind that's kind that that that that's that's that that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that's that's that's that's that's that's th.. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. they. th. they. the the the the the th. th. the the th. the th. th. the the. the. thi. the. thi. thi. thi. th. th. th nowhere to find it and we're never going to serve that up. Yeah, we're not sight and sound. Yeah, another thing is when it's very, very appraising the film on the supposed merits as seen by that review. We are much more a kind of need joke. Look, the bottom line is if I go and see a comedy whether people who engage with it and you sense in a kind of serious

movie whether they're responding to it it's harder in a sad film I'm glad you've given me a reason not to watch Oppenheimer I've been looking for about ages I would say watch it you know you might say watch it's people must have seen it more than once because he's made millions. Josh, we did a final question. Yeah, you kind of answered it already though. Because we normally say, what would you say about your partner that if they were listening to this, it's a way to get a message about something that annoys you about them, but you do that on your own podcast, Jonathan. Well, but I'm just gonna dive into what you said there. It's not what annoys me about her.

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has survived is because now, more than ever before, we do talk about things, Jane and I. So if there is an issue, we would rather put it on the the the thage, thage, thage, thage, th and th and thin, thin, thin, thin, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, that, that, that, that, that, that's thi, that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that, that's that, that's that, that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that, that, that's that's that's that, that's that's that's that's that's thi, thranny, thrown, thrown, thrown, thrown, thrown, thrown, tho, thro, throes that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's there on the table and say look, there aren't really many because we live in a state of relative equilibrium. Yeah. She knows what I am and what I'm doing. I know where she is and what she's doing. We know we're going to be at the end of the day and we're going to be where we want to be where we want to be where the rest of he does as a dad you go, oh, I'm so lucky he's my dad and he does that. Oh, that's nice. Or vice versa. And then what's the thing that you go, I'd rather didn't do that dad, actually.

That doesn't annoy me a little bit. Racism. I think you sometimes makes me a little bit now then. I think you're a little bit nervous, but I wouldn't change you. I love you for who you are. And I'm very lucky to be your daughter. Thank you baby. Also it's like only ever my fear of just what other people.

I know you don't care what other people think, but I think there's always the fear of like, oh I just hope people don't get you wrong because you are such a pure, sold man. He's very so sweet, he really is like a golden-hearted man. Oh, don't tell him. He's very caring and he likes to pretend he's tough. And I do think that doesn't come across. I am tough. I am tough. No, he's not. He's this big soft thing. And as as he's like, you know, without going back to to your age again, Jonathan, but as younger, but, by, by, thi, by, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, to thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to th. And, and he th. And, and he, and he, and he's, and he's, and he's, and he's, thi. And, thr. And, thr-a. And, thr-a. throoooooooooooooooooooooe. And, and he's theeananananan, and he's like the. And, and he's through. You've always been very supportive and helpful and always try to make us look the best we can, the funniest we can, and big as something the most on your show, and that doesn't happen a lot, and you do do it.

It's harder with Josh than with you. But here's the thing. Here's the thing. Some people just naturally likeable. What thing is, I'm not going to recover from this, Rob is over. Oh Josh, I love you and I think you're a very funny man, a very talent. The truth is that's partly I think the way I am, but partly also, I remember when I first started this and there were quite a few older people who are really quite horrible towards me and this shift in the dynamic. And I kind of th of of of of of of of of of of thi of thi of thi thi thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. I'm thi. thi. That's, thi. That's, thi. That's, thi. I'm, thi. That's, thi. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I. Oh, I. Oh, I. Oh, th. Oh, th. Oh, th. Oh, thi. Oh, thi. Oh, thi. Oh, thi. Oh, thi. Oh, thi. Oh, thi. Oh, th. Oh, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. Oh, I'm, I'm, I kind of understand where that came from, because I came to some degree of prominence

about the same time the alternative comedy was first making to want a TV, with Ben Alton and sat in their life. And they had perhaps been unfairly simplified by the press to them saying, we hate Benny Hill, we hate Les Dawson, we hate mother-in-lawed jokes. And of of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, and of, of, and of, of, of, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, the, the, the, the, the, the, their, the, the, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the, the., the theat, the the, the the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, but of course that's how it was in that way that the press simplifies things and polarizes situations. And so it became that and I think they were wary of newcomers and I remember at the time thinking,

okay, just that sense of not being welcomed, they're not being given a chance, basically, when I was given a certain platform, perhaps before I was ready for it, and I was nervous anyway. You know what I mean? You're nervous. You're starting out, you're doing your first show, you appear with someone you've grown up watching. And when you turn out when they're an asshole to you, it's just horrible because it makes it impossible to do the show that night and it makes it really difficult. And so I remember thinking consciously I'm never going about seeing that. I love seeing people who are still around of course, but when someone new comes on the scene who's

good, I'm thrilled for them, but I'm also thrilled for us because we've got someone new to enjoy it, you know, and it's as simple as that. Why would I would I pretend otherwise? And I don't feel th used up and it's not the end of the world. It's like, you know, that is the nature of being well known and being a performer, you know, the celebrity physics. But also that's why it's so nice that when there are newcomers you've already laid the groundwork and been like, no, I've helped you, you don't hate me, you won't turn your back on me. question of like what's a good piece of advice. That's behavior you've modeled for me that I have always loved and now like I take a lot of young writers

under my wing lots like little babies. I have on to the coattails but younger people. Clout chased the young people are going to be more right under their wing. Guilt them into thinking they owe you something. Keep me relevant. That's the best advice. That's the the the the the the the the the the the their their their their their their their their their their their their their their th. I I'll their their their their their their their their their their. I'll things. I'll. I'm going. I'm going. I'm going. I'm going. I'm going. I'm going. I'll their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their things. I I I I I I's. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'm going. together. I'll. I'll. together. I'll. I'll. together. I'll. I'll. I'll. together. I'll. I'll. I'll what I've been doing. That's the best advice. Sowing the seeds for the old, get the old bag at the end of the day. Come on. How's my bad reaction, Beckett? Come on. When you're taking me to Abu Dhabi?

Come on. That watch by and weekend that your wife knows all about. Oh, that's amazing. Thank you so much. Good luck with the pod and the live shows potentially. Real Talk is out on, you've got global player written in big words behind you. They love for multi-global player because if you go on Global Player, they think you'll listen to everything else it's on Global Play, which of course you aren't, but they like to think you will. But you can't you th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th that that that that that that that that tho tho tho that that thate that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that that. that that that tho tho their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho thooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. but they like to think you will. We'll let them believe that. You can get it Apple and all over the place.

Spotify, go for it. Real Talk R-E-L-D-L. R-D-L. Thank you for having us guys. Oh no, it's been an absolute pleasure. Thank you. What a joy. It was a joy.

I love that Josh. You know what, normally we do, I've got no idea how much Michael used, but I can't imagine much of that got lost because it was all so good, but like normally we do about 50 minutes with people. Yeah, and we just carried on talking because I was just enjoying it so much. Yeah, and do you know what, as well, like, you've got a slightly more honest side of Jonathan because he's with his daughter, and also honey is such a talkh...... toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. to to to to be to to thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, I th. I th. I th. I th. I thi, I thi, I that that, I that, I that, that, that, thi, thi, thi, th. I I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, thi, I thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. I thi. I thi. I th th th th thi thi th th thi thi tho thi thi thi. I thi. I thi. I, Honey is such a good talker and so interesting and so funny. And I cannot express to you how difficult it is to be interesting sat next to Jonathan Ross. Yes. Because he is, he doesn't even pulse a breath. And every story is funny, got a punch on at the end, and involves a major celebrity. So it's almost impossible to sort of go light for light with stories and opinions and stuff like that. but she was brilliant and the podcast is great because you get their little almost reality

TV moment of them two together chatting about their life and then you hear Jonathan Ross talking about film but then also a younger generation talking about it that will come at it from a completely different angle and she's also worked in industry so it's brilliant. It's accessible film chat as well. Which is so hard to be accessible. Yeah, real talk R-D-E-L with Jonathan and Honey. Get it everywhere, wherever, wherever it is. We don't need to promote that. I'd say get it on Spotify.

That'd be my thing. Get it on Spotify. Get on bloody Spotify. That's my take.