Parenting Hell with Rob Beckett and Josh Widdicombe - S8 EP44: Ranvir Singh

Episode Date: June 7, 2024

Joining us this episode to discuss the highs and lows of parenting (and life) is the brilliant journalist and presenter - Ranvir Singh Parenting Hell is a Spotify Podcast, available everywhere every Tuesday and Friday. Please leave a rating and review you filthy street dogs... xxx If you want to get in touch with the show here's how: EMAIL: [e-mail] INSTAGRAM: @parentinghell MAILING LIST: parentinghellpodcast.mailchimpsites.com  A 'Keep It Light Media' Production  Sales, advertising, and general enquiries: [e-mail] NEW ALBUM OF THE SAME NAME IS OUT MAY 10TH - PRE-ORDER HERE Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, I'm Rob Beckett. And I'm Josh Winnockham. Welcome to Parenting Hell, the show in which Josh and I discuss what it's really like to be a parent, which I would say can be a little tricky. So, to make ourselves and hopefully you feel better about the trials and tribulations of modern-day parenting each week we're chatting to a famous parent about how they're coping. Or hopefully how they're not coping. And we'll also be hearing from you the listener with your tips, advice and of course, tales of parenting woe. Because let's be honest, there are plenty of times where none of us

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Yeah. Do you like being famous? I was thinking about this the other day actually because there was someone I know who was complaining about it who I think loves it. And I think it is a neutral in my life. I think it is a positive actually, generally. I don't think chasing it is a healthy thing at all, but there's certain things that happen where you go, God, this is useful.

Yeah, like the like the tow, like the comfort of my son. I don't know if you've spoken about that yet. Oh, have we not spoken about that? That's to come. No, I definitely feel the positives that way the negatives but like with anything nothing nothing? No? No? No? No? No? No? No? No? No? No? No? No? No? No? No? No? No? No? No? No? No? No? No? No? No? No? No, nothing? No, nothing? No, nothing? No, nothing? No, nothing? No, nothing? No, nothing? No, no? No, no? No, no? No, no? No, no? That's that's that's that's that's that's thing's thing is thing is thing is thing is thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th is, th is, th is, th is, th is, th is, th is, th is, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi, thi, thi, definitely feel the positives that way the negatives, but like with anything, nothing's perfect without fault. However, certain things that are a bit more invasive, I think it sort of does even out eventually. I think we've got it quite easy as well because we're not famous in the way where people give a shit about us. No, it's not like, no, not, yeah, people people that get photographed every time they're on a beach somewhere because like whatever they do is a story, like, anyway, but that, but anyway, let me tell you about my life Rob, talking about having a whole life documented, but at least we're doing the document. Yeah, at least for you.

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Three voice memos. Okay. Right, I'm just listening to this Tuesday's podcast. And Josh, I'm going to do this directly to you because I don't think Rob will pass this on. But when he's telling the story about the kids, well, let's just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just. it on? Probably if it made good content, but if it wasn't great content, then I would have kept me mouth shut, but it's quite funny as she slagged me off, so I thought people would have appreciated. It's fair for Lou to have a voice when her whole life is spoken about on this show.

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If she had something to go like an appointment with something that's like important, but that is definitely nails or eyebrows. Ha ha ha ha ha ha. I look forward to the, because if it was doctors, dentists, the kids or anything that's a bit like life admin stuff, but that is definitely nails or eyebrows I reckon, that appointment. Also, when it's like you should know where the spare key is for your car, I was in this bedside table. All right, I've done to draw it downstairs, admit it? You'll have to change that. They're no longer going to be my bedside table. What are they in your bedside table?

Which is because, right now, you're going to get me in more trouble. We've got like a set of drawers in the house where like, one is supposed to be for keys, one one, I said, well, why don't we put all keys in that drawer? One draws my drawer so I can put my headphones and wallet in there. One draws your drawer. And then we have a drawer for like kids stuff like that we might need school bags, stuff like. But like there's three drawers here. One is just keys. Every key for the house goes in. How many keys have you got? Well, not loads. No, but there's two sets of car keys and there's like a house kids but when there's spare, you know when there's like that random key for the window? Yeah, yeah, of course. If they're all there, and then rather like our wallets or lose purse or stuff out on the side, our stuff that we need to access who can go in those drawers. So the

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It's basically like if you just walked around a stranger's house and just picked up, you couldn't pick up anything that was similar and you've got a handful of it and you'd put it in that drawer. It's a fucking disgrace. And it's not my fault. Because when Lou tidies, she hides. Wow, that's... Oh my word. That's that was that God, I'm really open to. That was a big decision to say that. Everything else are, apart from one spare key from my car, he's put in his bedside table. Stop telling everyone. Go fuck yourself Rob. Quite frankly. Yeah, I thought I'd direct that straight to you Josh. Well, it seems like it's been directed to Rob. At some point, please.

Super. Yeah, so, um... She's only halfway through by that point. I'm going to move the car keys now from the bedside drawer. I mean, I don't know who's going to try and steal a Honduri. Yeah, and an immediate other point of order. We weren't one one with the dog bag because the dog bag has got all totally replaceable things in the cupboard where we keep all the dog stuff. There's more dog treats. I mean when you take the dog bag it's not fucking paramedic. It's got nappy bags in it or for dog bags, whatever they're called poo bags that's it, poo bags and treats and maybe a ball and it's the and treats and maybe and maybe and maybe and maybe and maybe and maybe and treats and maybe and maybe and maybe and maybe and maybe and treats and maybe and maybe and maybe and maybe and maybe and treats and maybe and maybe and maybe and treats and maybe treats and maybe a treats and maybe a treats and maybe a treats and maybe treats and maybe treats and maybe treats and maybe treats and maybe treats and treats and treats and treats and treats and treats and treats and treats and treats and treats and treats and treats and treats and treats and treats and treats and treats and treats and treats and treats and treats and maybe they, and they, and maybe they they they treats and they treats and they treats, and theys, and treats, and theys, and they they treats, and the treats, and's like, oh my God, you took my equipment.

I'm very noticeable things that were kept in a cupboard that's got all the dog stuff in. Not hidden, hidden in my bedside table upstairs. Okay. Your hair? Oh yeah, I've got stress. You're stress of your, you've got hair stress. Oh God, it's just, yeah. I've got it now, because I know what I said earlier about all the drawers she's gonna kick off about that what's that was there another one? One more thing I mean I've finished it. One more thing. It might not be one more thing but um when Rob says I was so smuggly because he's telling a funny story that he thinks I can't respond to. Oh she doesn't know where it is that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that he thinks I can't respond to. If she doesn't know where it is, that's on her, isn't it?

I would say, I'd say fairly confidently, 90% of the things in our house, Rob doesn't know where it is because he asks me where they are all the time. What do they need? Where is it? Have we got? Where do we go? Where do we go? Okay? So next time I'll say that's on you that's on you that's on you that's on you and you find your own fucking pants

who knows where it's pants is talk about the things I can't think of them now because I'm so cross look what I would say is I don't know where things are in our house because we're in our house 97% of the things that have been bought for the house, Lou's bought. Okay, without any knowledge I've got no idea. Lou buys lots of things okay for the house for the house. So it's very hard to know where stuff is that you didn't know existed until Lou said can you go and get there? Give me an example. Okay, well... said can you go and get there? Give me an example. Okay. Well, she's got the other day.

She, Lou's got a sauna bed. What? It's like a weird electric bed thing that you slide it and zip up and turn it on and it's like a sauna. What do you mean? So you're really off? Yeah, but it's really up. Is a head in it? No, no, their old body's in it. There are all bodies in it and it's up to her neck and you get a body gets hot. But is it steamy? No, it's just warm. I don't know if I've ever been in it. I didn't even know we had it until I saw her in it. I was like, what's getting on here? Anyway, look, Lou, I should have told you where the cut and spare car, what key was in my defence. So I apologize, I'm sorry. And sorry for making sound like an idiot, but look, just trying to get a bit of content out there. I think you managed that. Just got a bit of content out there.

But, yeah, well, this is awkward, isn't it? No, it's all right. How are you and Rose? Yeah, fine, good. Exactly. It was hard to have an argument when she's not in the house. Don't turn it on me, right? someone who's 900 miles away in it? Right let's do the intro. We've got Ramveer Singh today, absolute legend, TV legend, good morning TV legend, the most difficult of all the TVs.

And she did strictly as well. And she's done it all, a bit of Lorraine, she's a little Lorraine, she's an ITV, darling. She was in Lorraine's slippers as we interviewed her because she'd just done Lorraine covered for Lorraine. She's an ITV darling. She was in Lorraine's slippers as we interviewed her because she just done Lorraine. Yeah she wasn't she was in the dressing room in her slippers. She's brilliant and in a bit of a sort of showbiz on my label story I actually got her number and I passed her in the corridors of TV center. Oh well there we go. That's how we do this guys. Hey Ramvea you got a kid want to come in the show. Yeah. the show. the show. the show. the show. the show. the show. the show. the show. the show. the show. the that. that. that. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. Yeah. Yeah. that's. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. I. that's. that's. that's. I. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. that's. Yeah. I. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. that, want to come with the show? Yeah. And she's like, yeah, okay and then gave me a number. And then before you know it, look, here we are. Here's Rambe Singh. If you see Rob in a hallway, just hand over your number, you can be on here. Hello and welcome to the podcast at Ranveer Singh. Very excited. It's lovely to be here. I've been a podcast. to their the the their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their. their their. their their their their th. th. their their th. their their. their. their. their. their magic. their magic. their magic. their. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. t t t t t t t t t t t t t t.. t.. t. I. I. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I. t t t t to be here. I've already done a full day's work, you know. Yeah. You've been on the tele, and now you're in a dressing room after being on the tele doing a podcast.

You're a machine on a bank holiday. I know, listen, I used to do 18 hour days. So this is like a holiday for me. Doing the Lorraine show, which is so easy because I get to get up at 5 as opposed to 3 a.m.m.m.m.m.m.m.m.m.m.m.m.m.m.m.m.m.m.m.m.m.m.m.m.m.m.m.m.m. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I'm. I'm. to. to. to. A. A. to. A. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to a. to a. to a. to a. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. normally. So 5 a.m. I'm like, this is so, this is amazing. I feel like, yeah. It's like a holiday, I feel relaxed. I feel awake. It's crazy. Do you think Lorraine's phoning it in by now and getting up at half six? The thing is, she could walk in at like five to nine and do it.

You know what I mean? Like I have to get in for like half, six for the meeting. Whereas I imagine Lorraine just waltz in and she just sort of breathes it, you know, because it's so natural. When you do your sort of GMB stuff is more like getting up at three, that's hard. You have to be really across because it's quite serious topics like Lorraine does some serious topics but it's more of a light-hearted look but when you're like properly talking about I tell you what my best thing is when I look down the list and go Mark Hayes is in to do fashion I thought seven minutes done brilliant I'm head of sound effects and facial expressions at that point. Yeah. Oh lovely. And actually it's great because like you just get to watch someone else do their job, you know. Yeah. But GMB is a whole different, it's a whole different thing.

But how can you take in that information of 4 a.m. that and and I'm fully like an opinion? How do you do? Well listen right. So it could be like at five seconds to six you think, holy shit we're going live in a minute. I have no idea what we're going live. to a you know so you're kind of working through the show as well like actually when you're on air you're sort of still you're reading your notes you're like checking facts but you're working whilst you're on air because it's almost impossible to really be ready at six if you know what I mean because it's stuff has changed overnight things that you thought you were going to ask guests to the the the the the the the the the the the to to the to the the to the to the the the the to the the the the the the the the the the to the the the to to to to the to to to to the the their. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to their. their. their. their. their. their. their. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the. the. the. the. the. the the. the the the. the. I the. I's. I'm. I'm. the. I's. I'm. I's. I's. th you thought you were going to ask, guests have pulled out. So it's quite a... But no one's really watching at 6. It's more when it gets to 7 is when it gets hardcore, isn't it? That's when it's the peak. Yeah, well, and also, the great thing about the hour at 6 on G&B is that you have what would you ask? And really that's just done doing our homework on air.

I'll just make a mail that bloody question. I'll look out for that now, yeah. But it looks like you're being really inquisitive but what you're actually doing is slightly cheating. It's brilliant. Yes, that's clever. And so you've presumably had massive people on there. Like, you know when you ask a politician something? We will get on to parenting, but while we're on this. And they just say some stats. How often do you think I've got no idea if that's true or not? The thing is, often what happens is a gallery's busy upstairs, so they'll be like checking stuff,

but it is difficult. Because all you do is you have your briefing notes. And so then, and so th th th th the th th th the th and so the th and so the th and so the the th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, thus, thi, thus, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th. th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, the, thus, thus, thus, thus, thus, thus, thus, thus, thus, thus, thus, thus, the theea thea thea's, thea's thus, thea's th okay, the last ONS research said this, you know, the Office for National Statistics said this, or, you know, an Ipsos poll has said that the public are more interested in the economy than they are in migration or whatever it might be. So if they say this is the number one priority for voters, you can kind of go, actually, you do have like, you do have have like, you have like, you have like, you have like, you have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to sort of pushback ready. But sometimes it is true that they just say stuff. And actually sometimes you think, does a viewers really care about, is it worth getting into this in this like 10 minutes we've got?

Or do we talk about something that's a bit more palatable to breakfast time viewers? Do you know what I mean? Because you've got to think, like, news is different the way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way the way the way the way the way the way the way the way the way the way it's consumed and the way we talk about it from 6 a.m. to like the 1 o'clock news 6 o'clock news does it differently and news like does it differently channel 4 news does it differently so everyone does it slightly different it's the same stories but you do it slightly differently so yeah it can be there is a few moments where you just think I think

you're lying but I've got no proof. At this point I don't know if you're telling the truth yeah what's it like being sat next to Richard Maidley? Do you ever present with him much because I know it always shifts around you just don't know what he's gonna say. Yeah I feel like that's a loaded question I feel asking what it's like being sat next to someone that you don't know what they're like. Is a Maverick? Is a TV Maverick?

Yeah, he is, right? But can I just say, I, you know, if you've grown up watching him and Judy, which I do? Like religiously watching them, okay? So you're like, I'm Judy. Well, what? No, no, no, no. No, no, no. But you're like living the dream. It's like playing up front with Wayne Rooney. He is living the dream. And you know what, like, I won't hear a bad word said about him, and I tell you why, right?

Well, I've not said a bad word yet. So that's a guy who has, his whole career has been on the tele, he's done everything, he's seen everything, he's sat in that chair, but I have sat next to so many male presenters who do not know how to present properly with a female or another person. Because what you two do now, right? This is a skill, right? so you're having to work together, you've got to be quite generous with each other, you've got to let each other sort of decide where the interview's going, even if you didn't think it was going to go that way, but you've got to go with it anyway. And some majority of male presenters in my experience struggle very, very much to share and be generous. When you sit with Richard Maidley, he spent his heap – heap – heap – heat- he heat, he th – th – th – th – th – th – th – th – th – th – th – th – th – th – thus, thus, thus, thus, thus, thus, thi, right, right, right, right, thi, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, ththeat, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th. And, th. And, th. And, th, th, th, the the the the the the the the the the the the th, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, thi, right, right, thi, right, right, thi. And thiiiiiiii. And thiiii. thi. thi. thi. thi.ing you know sitting there. I bet he has.

Listen I don't know what that means. Sorry. So it's sitting with somebody who could go anywhere. Yeah. But you watch it you just let it happen. Yes. You enjoy the ride. You enjoy the maverick ride. You just got to enjoy it. I love Maidley. I'm a big Maidley fan. And a big Maidley fan. Right, let's talk about parenting. How many children have you got?

I've got one and he's nearly 12. It's going to be 12. Yeah, just started secondary school, but please. People warn you that it's like a Harry Enfield sketch like overnight oh is it gone has he gone just I cannot understand what has gone on it's like a mini grieving process for the baby beautiful lovely soft natured compliant yes mommy person that was there on August 31st right oh so it was unarriving at school? On arriving at school, not even on his birthday, on arriving at school overnight. Oh wow. Totally different ballgame of parenting. Totally different. Wow. I'm sorry to have shattered you. No, I'm worried about that. So what would a normal Saturday be like when he was not at secondary school, an acute soft boy, and now what you're dealing with

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I don't know if it's right. Just let the game flow. Well, I had a friend who actually had a teenage son that was like that because they will do stuff that is rude. Like, I won't say please I thank you and all go, I'll shut up or whatever, and go into a room and slam a door. And you go, hang on, all I've said is, do you want to say to eat and can you let me know what time you're back tomorrow? And you've to tell me to piss off, storm, that's disrespectful. And you want to go, no, fuck you know's out of all, you need to come down and say sorry and all that and then getting themselves in a really toxic back and forth.

Oh you just lock horns, you lock homes. Exactly. And you've got you want to not do that. And then it just apparently just escalates it and escalates it but she said she actually read a book where their hormones and this is teenage boys and girls are so rampant and they're they're....... their. their. they're. they're. they're. they're. they're. they're. they're. they're. they're. they're. they're. they're. they're. they're. they're. they're. they're just. they're just they're just they're just they're just. And they're just they're just they're just they're just. And they're just. And they're just. And they're just. And they're just. And, their. And, their. And, their. And, their. their. their. their. their. their. And, their. And, their. And, their. And, their. And, their. And, their. And, their. And, their. And, their. And, their. And, their. And, they're just just just, they're just, their. And, they're just, they're just, they're just, they're just, they're just. And, they're just. And, they. And, they're on a drug because it's flowing through their body and it's mental and if someone had just done you know like a line of coke reacted like that you'd have to tell them off in that situation Rob you'd have to you'd have to tell them off. Teenage boys that's all right. Oh it's all right you've done a line of coke don't worry don't. Yeah I thought you were being a rude teenager but you're thin-a the you you you you you you you you you you're being a you you're being a the the the you're the you're their you're you're their their you're their you're being a you're you're you're you're you're you're you're their you're thin' their their their their their you're to be their you're you're you're you're you're you're you're you you're you you you you you you you you you you you you're you're their their their their the toy toy toy toy toy toy toy took took took took took took took took took took took took took took te te. te. te. I tell tell you're tell you're tell you're to tell you're to to to to to to to te. takes that side. Yeah, but it's almost like a chemical reaction so that when they're in that high state of adrenaline and, no, I hate it here because I'm a teenager, you almost have to go distant and allow that to happen and go and just sit in the front room and ignore it and then she said she started doing that and eventually he would come down and go, yeah, that's a bit out of all of them, I'm sorry. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that, that, that, that, that, that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's, I'm that's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I that's, I that's, I I that's, I I I that's, I I that's that's that's, I that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's th and th and th and thi, I'm thi, I'm thi, I'm thi, I'm thi, I'm thi and thia' thia'a' tha'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'er, I'm thi, I'm thi, I'm thi, I'm. Yeah, you've got to believe that all the good work you did for the first 10 11 years of their life where you were telling them about politeness and all that, that is somewhere in there. It's lodged in there,

haven't you? But it sort of gets forgotten in the moment, like they forget it all the time. Yes. But then I think once they calm down and the hormones, they will you hope if they are good people and you've done a good job early doors Come around and go that was a bit out of older mom sorry. I've been a single parent you see all the time Yeah, I've been a single parent. the entire time. he's always said to me he said I never really know where I am with you because I have to be good cop and I have to be good cop and I have to be good cop and I have to be good good good good to be good to be good to be good good to be good to be good to be good good to be good to be good good to be good to be good to be good good to be good good to be good good to be good good to be good good good good to be good good good good good to be good good good to be good good good to be good to be good to be good good good to be good good good good to be good I have to be good I have to be good I have to be good I have to be good to be good to be good to be good to be good to be good to be good to be good to be good to be good to be good to be good to be good to be good to be good to be good to be good to be good to be good to be good to be good to be good to be good to be good to be good to be good to be good to be good to be good to be good cop and I have to be good cop and I have to be good cop and I have to be good to be good to be good to be good to be good to be good to be good to be need Richard Maidley there. I think he's permanently good cop though. I think he'd be good cop. Yeah, I think Judy's coming in with the discipline, right? Yeah, I think so, or in this case me. Yeah, in this new relationship with Richard Bailey to your son's stepdad that we've just invented. And so how do you work as a single parent, how do you work the getting getting getting getting getting getting getting getting getting getting getting getting getting getting getting getting getting getting getting getting getting getting getting getting getting getting getting getting getting getting getting getting getting getting getting getting getting getting getting getting getting getting up getting up getting up getting up getting up getting work the getting up at 3 a.m. and going out and stuff it's been a struggle it has been hard and actually at one point you know I did think am I being selfish by doing this job because you know like it's interesting

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You've no idea that this is so hard like to have your mom live with you whilst you are parenting. Oh my god. It's like having the constant critic hovering and go and if you do anything that isn't the same as that they did. It's like well, you???? you? you? you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you? you you you've you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you've you've you've you've you've you've you've you've you've you've you've you're you're you've you're lucky, aren't you're lucky, aren't you're lucky, aren't you're lucky, aren't you're lucky, aren't you're lucky, aren't you're lucky, aren't you're lucky, aren't you, aren't you're lucky, aren't you, aren't you, aren't you, aren't you, you, you, aren't you, aren't you, you, you, you, you you, you're you're you're you're l you're l you've th you've th you've l' th l' th l' the l' the l' the l' thi lucky, aren't the-luc-luc-luc-luc-luck, aren't thi lucky, aren't thi lucky the constant critic hovering and going, and if you do anything that isn't the same as that they did, it's like, well, you've lost it. You've lost, you know, this is a tragedy of the holding. I wouldn't have done that. I wouldn't have done that. I never did that with you, you know, mark my words.

But said it in front of the mornings. I had to have a sort of an array of nannies on, with various of their personal problems coming into the house and then leaving at me in the lurch at various times. So it's just constant like moving the jigsaw puzzle around and they all the time. But we got there almost, yeah. And now you're reaching a point where presumably you're going to bed at 9pm. So are you going to bed before your son? It's awful. It's awful because he has to come and say good night to me in my room. Does it? He goes, we'll like, yeah, come on. He goes, I'll see you later. And like, please make sure you come off FIFA. Like, please.

I have to take it in and like, come on, please. I'm like, you have to do, I'm going to have to whisper this, right? But I sometimes have to say it and listen, you know, I've got like screen mirroring so I can see everything. I can see everything. I can see everything Oh God, God. You have to lie a little bit every now and again. Every now and again you have to lie a little bit. Because otherwise... Do you not have screen mirroring then? I don't know how to even know what that is? I just saw it on my life's own idea. I don't know what it is.

But it takes out of a good idea. I don't know what he doesn't know. This policy, I love my oral whispering, but this policy of scream mirroring, you can have to accept the fact that he's going to grow up and become a man and you're not going to want to look at what he's looking at. Now though, listen, can I ask you for your views? Because your kids are really younger, aren't they still? Yeah, six and three for me. Six and eight, so yeah, a little bit off. So have have you you you you you you you th, have th, have th, th, th, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi, you're not, you're not, you're not, you're not, you're not, you're not, you're not tho, you're not tho, you're not tho. tho. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. tho. thin. thoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. And, you're not th. And, you're not th. And, you would go through their phone when they get one if they get one? Right? Because I know it's still a long way off. But that is quite a divider among parents.

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so you know where they are if you give them a smartphone, right? You know, you've got all the privacy and you've got all these other things on it. Now I took it off him for a month, and I thought right. with this as well. As in, I won't be able to know when he's on his boss or, you know, when he's out with his mates, where are you? So has he got a smartphone? He has. It's a free one that somebody in our family gave to him. So he got it, right? And I have to say, I just felt like it was stepping back in time, back to when I was a kid. I used to catch two buses home from school when I was 11 I was 11 I was 11 I was 11 I was 11 I was 11 I was 11 I was 11 I was 11 I was 11 I was 11 I was 11 I was 11 I was 11 I was 11 I was 11 I was 11 I was 11 I was 11 I was 11 I was 11 I was 11 I was 11 I was 11 I was 11 I was 11 I was 11 I was 11 I was 11 I was 11 I was 11 I was 11 I was 11 I was 11 I was 11 I was 11 I was 11 I was 11 I was 11 I was 11 I was 11 I was 11 I was 11 I was 11 I was 11 I was 11 I was 11 I was 11 I was 11 I was 11 I was 11 I was 11 I was 11 I was 11 I was 11 I was 11 I was 11 I was 11 I was 11 I was 11 I was 11 I was 11 I was 11 I was 11 I was 11 I was 11 I was 11 I was 11 I was 11 I was 11 I was 11 I was 11 I was 11 I was 11 I was 11 I was 11 I was 11 I was 11 I was 11 I was 11 I was 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 and I was 11 and I was 11 and I was 11 and I was 11 and I was 11 and I was 11 and I was 11 11 and 11 and I was 11 and I was 11 and I was 11 and I was 11 11 and I was 11 11 11 11 and I was 11 I was 11 I was 11 11 11 I was 11 and 12, you know, in the dead of winter. And like, you know, my mom must have been beside herself, she was a single one because my dad died. And now I think about it and I think, actually, you know what? He's quite resourceful.

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the new school term, just to have a consensus because it really isn't about the wider world or anything. It's literally just about their friends and the parents. It's literally just about, you know, 20, 30 people. But can you imagine how awful that meeting would be? Like 20 parents discussing policy on whether children should be allowed TikTok. It would be apps. And then basically you'd start the year with every parent falling out. It'd be a disaster. Yeah you would. And also there'll be one lunatic that's like no they're not having a smartphone to their 21. You know well that's just mental. That's, I'll get not a 12 but come. Yeah. There'll be some outliers. And there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there there there there there there there there there there th th thi thi, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, thi, thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi, thi, thi. thi's thi's thi's thoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. th. 21, you know, well that's just mental. That's, I'll get not at 12, but come on.

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you're not allowed to play that. And we're like, that's bollows. I mean, that one gangster rap was a thing. We're like, you know, that Snoop Dog and Dr. Dr. Dr. Dr. Dr. Dr. Dr. Stray stuff. And there's never been any science to prove there's actually a convalent, no, totally. It's just some cultural sort of easy things. So the other day, I was like, right, we're going to put, I discovered that you can put only clean music on Apple music, right?

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let's, you know, let me offload later, you know, with your partner. Yeah, yeah. But when you don't have that, it is a very different bond because he sort of knows stuff about adult life. And yeah, yeah feeling because you need to... Yeah, yeah about the stresses and strains and he's very very caring though. A lot of that will come from feeling like you're on more of a level. Yeah. Playing field with the adult than maybe. Yeah. But then then it is confusing because then one minute you're like just chatting on a level but then the very next minute you know you're bollicking them. Do you know what I mean? th? th. Yeah? th. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It is it is like it is like it is like it is like it is like it is like it is like it is like it is confusing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It is confusing. It is confusing it is confusing it is confusing. It is the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. It is confusing. It is confusing. It is confusing. It's very very very very very very very very th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. th. level but then the very next minute you know you're bollicking them do you know what I mean? So it's like quite a sort of it's a bit of a tricky balancing act and you can't it's kind of almost difficult to get it right but you just keep

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he's lovely having a lovely time got nobody else's problem shut the door having a lovely life you Do you know what I mean? Like it's a very protected space when things are going really well. Like, you know what I mean? You've got nobody else's shit to deal with, just your own. How has it been with like dating or meeting anyone where obviously you've got a 12-year-old, like, he must be quite protective or do you keep that separate from him? Do you know what I mean? We have listeners that are quite interested in that when you are a single parent and how you approach it and I had a friend who had a bit of a difficult breakup but then he sort of decided not to redo much of that dating stuff until his son was older and then he started meeting people and

then some people carry on it's different for everyone isn't it? Yeah it is different, I've never made a concerted effort to think I need to find somebody or I really, I'm a very happy person on my own on my own. As a child, probably because I was on my own quite a lot as a child, even though I've got two older sisters, I was sort of on my own with my mom quite a lot. Weirdly, it's so funny how cycles repeat their cycles repeat themselves. My dad-I, th. th. to, to, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm thi, I'm, I'm th. I'm, I'm thi, I'm, I'm thi, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I to, I to, I to, I to, I to, I I I I I to, I I I I to, I I to, I to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to thi, I'm a thi, I'm a thin, I'm a thi, really really really really really, thi. thi. thin, thi. thin, thi. thi. thin, I'm a to to to in my situation but I have become a single mom you know. Yes. And so it's kind of a strange sort of symbiosis of what's happened in our family. But I've always been very, very content in my own company. And actually there was a period of time, quite a long period of time, and I meant it as a serious question, like what are men for? I don't mean that in a horrible, not in a nice movie. Like, what is it for? Like, because in our minds, like, in my generation, it was like, you know, you want somebody who earns well or somebody who, you know,

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it's like, okay, well if I'm meeting someone, oh do you want to go out on Saturday because I'm on me own anyway so you feel the time that way but if you are full time just you then it's sort of like, yeah do you want to come around another pizza with me the pizza? the pizza? to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the pizza? to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to come to come to to to to come to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their tha but you can leave. It's like it is like that though. But yeah I think you've got to be I think actually in general you've got to find in yourself a way to be happy alone. Because I think that's probably just a key to being happy in life anyway isn't it? That matters for people in a relationship as well. I't think that's just people that isn't I think even if you are married with someone you've still got to learn to be totally happy alone. I know I have Rose has barely been here for the last two months from. Yeah I think that's key because I think the biggest mistake with relationships I'm seeking relationships is to think I need to find someone to fix to to to to to to to to to to to to to the to to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the. the the the. I'm to to to to to to to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be the. I'm the. I'm the. I'm the. I'm the. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the theeeeeeeeeeeeeeean. to be to be to be to be toeeeean. toeean. to bea. I'm to be to be to be to be to think, I need to find someone to fix me. Absolutely.

That's just not going to happen. But also the weird thing is that like for me, as an Indian woman, a girl growing up, you know, you never had boyfriends, you were never allowed. I always find it really bizarre because obviously now with my son, like, I won't enforce that same cultural, absolute zero. Yeah. It's bonkers because now when Tishishenoledededededededededededededededed their their their th. th. th. th. thiiiii. thi. thi. thi, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you bonkers because now when Tashan like, you know, I'll chat him, oh, you know, bills at school, you know, whatever, you know, he's only little.

But I realize I've got no toolkit to know how to handle, you know, a teenager, I don't understand, I don't know what the parameters are, I don't know what's normal. Yeah, of course, you've you you you you you you you never anything that was ever discussed. So I'm going to find myself and currently find myself in a whole sort of alien territory of like this whole thing about kids, kids going out with kids. I don't understand it. Yeah.

Yeah. Because she might bring a boyfriend or girlfriend home into the house and you're going to be sat there going, well, I don't know how this works because I never we never did that as teenager. Or I'll immediately be like, well you're going to marry her like they're in love. I'm like, well let me meet the parents and we'll get a date. You know what I think? For me in my head I immediately am thinking, but so you'll probably marry her then. It's so bizarre. It's like not even logical. It's ingrained in your their their their their their their their their their their. your DNA somehow, like isn't it weird? Like how our parenting from our parents generation is just somewhere sitting waiting to come out? Yeah. And do you find because obviously there's a huge generational difference between your childhood and your son's childhood, but on the other side of it I don't

know if you're practicing Seek or whatever but is there a lot of things you are worried about losing if that makes sense? A question yeah it's such a good question. First of all, the language I worry about, because at home I only ever spoke Punjabi to my mom and to my dad, you know, we only ever spoke Punjabi and then I spoke English outside the house. And now I'm trying to speak Punjabi more to John, but usually, usually it's when I'm tellain't the their their their their their their to to to to to speak to speak when I'm to be when I'm to be when I'm to be when I'm to be when I'm toldn, toldn, toldn, toldn, toldn, toldn, to speak to speak when I'm toldn, to speak to speak to because like you know it's sort of idiomatic, you know, sort of like when I really want to really like top through, I end up telling him off in Punjabi. But then he understands what it means to translate it.

So I'll just go, Karahjanae that's a sharp thing to say, what? Yeah, I feel panics, what have I done? Yeah, yeah. And that just means, right, stop right there, or you'll get a click round the ear. But actually what it means is, stop right there, or you're going to eat my slap. Which is such a viscimal thought, yeah. It's my slap, right? So there's something really statted, like I feel like a warmth and like a, in my chest when I say say t.

my chest when I say it I'm just like yeah like it feels good to tell him off in it feels empowering but if I say something in English like telling off doesn't feel is like impactful right so like Punjabi comes out in those moments yeah I'm worried about losing the language a little bit well a lot actually because Punjabi isn't my first language you know like I dream in English right so but I'm fluent in Punjab, but also like religiously it's there for him, but I don't, you know, not impose it. I wouldn't say I wasn't, it's not imposed on it. But you know, if you're born into a religious family, it becomes your identity as well as your name or as when as your skin color. It's not something that's an opt-in, opt-out thing that you really

intellectually think about. It's just something that you are. Yeah. Whereas now I think that for him, I sort of left the door possibly too open. Do you know what I mean? Almost like, it's there for you, we are see. But I feel like I've lost something in that. Maybe I should have been a bit more like, we go every Sunday and here's the history. So we went we went we went we went we went went went to to to to to to to to to to to to to the to their, to to their, their, their, their, to, their, their, their, to, their, to, their, their, to to to, to, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, the door, the door, the door, the door, the door, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, to, to, to, to, to, to to to, to to to to to to too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, to to to their, really connecting and I thought that was brilliant. So maybe we're going to get back into it and I think it does provide a good framework but yeah,

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No, not at all. When you say like your mom wants to do more, I don't know there's any Asian mom that wanted the kids to do less religion. You know, it's not like, whoa, there's too many prayers. Come on, let's calm down on this. Don't get too into it. Exactly. No, but no, he can do a few prayers, but yeah, I think you're right in that like, I found it.

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thing that maybe as a teenager who's storming off to their room you're not going to be into it but when you're in your 20s I think an older you're going to really appreciate where you came from I'd say no teenagers going, I really want to get in toucest with my family's religion. Yeah, any teenagers that's well into religion, you sort of think maybe a high school shooter. You know what's that really? You know, this is the time you wouldn't care about it? But then you'll find it eventually if that's, yeah. I'm not a religious person whatsoever, but definitely as I've got older I believe in sort of like an energy, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, th. th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi's, thi's, thi's a thi's a thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, that certain cultures will put a name to which is God or whatever and that's where religion come from but and the way I look at it now I used to think oh what a lot of old made up bollocks kind of thing but now I sort of think well even if it is

or it is and if it's bringing calm and a soothing experience to people then good luck to them and let them enjoy that feeling who am I to call it to call it the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their. I to call it out for whatever it is? Yeah, they call it Pascal's wager, don't they? Which is you might as well believe in it. Because if it's true, then you believed in it. That's great. Hi, I believe in you all along, welcome me in. But like, if you don't believe in it, it's just kind of giving you a sort of reasonably good framework and for life. But I don't think, I'm not that bothered about heaven. I just sort of think, I'm just going to slip away. For me, there's not going to be anything to go to.

It'll just be like it was before I was born, which is nothing. Yeah, but energy never dies. That's what people say. You've just said there's an energy. So your energy will go somewhere, but the energy will I die will be the same as what it was before I came out of my mom nothing. So you're just going back to where you came from? Yeah of just a floating-nothing this kind of thing so...

Oh, it freaks me out. Well how do you feel when you die you'll feel the same as you did before you were born. Yeah oh my word this has been a try-I th. th. th. th. th's been an absolute classic. We've covered so many things. Your show Ridiculous is a quiz show. You've done 45 episodes already and you've got a third series. How many episodes in the third series can you say? I think it's still 25 which in this day in age is probably quite good. Oh my word mate. How many are you doing in a day? Three at the beginning and then four. So it's not too bad actually. But also when you're on a roll. Where do you film it? In Sulford. Oh nice.

I love it because it's such a break from news. the break from news. Yeah, I bet. So quiz shows are great quiz shows. Could you just give us the elevator pitch of how the premise of it works? Yeah, so you have general knowledge rounds and then you have to unlock the riddles. So we have our riddlemaster, who is Henry Lewis, who, you know, from the play that goes wrong and the mind, mangle and all of that? That's Henry who created all that. So he's our riddle master. And I and I. And I. And I. And I. And I. And I. And I. And I. And I. And I have. And I have th. And I have th. And I have th. And I have th. And I have th. And I have th. And I have the th. And I have th. And I have th. And I have th. th. And the the. the. th. th. th. the th. th. the th. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. the. the. the. the. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. the. the. the. the. the for the next series writing my own riddles. Oh my word. You're going to do the theme tune as well. It's amazing so I've got my little book which I started writing riddles in but they have to be cross-reference like across a whole world network of riddles that are out there on the internet and it has to be truly original.

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Will you be saying when they're your own? If I even just get one through, I'd be thrilled. Yeah, so you know, like I met the guys who write the riddles. I mean, can you make that as their full-time job? Wow. They write riddles for a living. Yeah, they're on the doll. I don't know what we're doing. Thank so much. It's been a joy. Thank you so much. Cheers. Have a good day. And you. Rambea Singh. I love that Josh. We covered a lot there. That felt like a deep dive. That was great. She is great value when she's not talking about politics. I don't mean that when she's talking about politics. But I the politics. I the politics. I the politics. the politics. I the politics. I the politics. the politics. I the politics. I the politics. I the politics. I the politics. the politics. I the politics. I the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the th. I don't th. I th. I th. I th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I the. I the. I the. I the. I the. I the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. they. th. no, I don't mean that when she's talking about pol- but you don't know when you book someone who's on Good Morning Britain,

who's an interviewer and what they'll be like as an interviewee. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, she was great. And also, as well, you don't know if they're just quite serious all the time, I just wanted to talk about politicians, discussion of single parenting. Yep. Another great perspective from us as we try and cover all bases, right Josh. As we try and cover all better, there's something for everyone here. Just trying to bring something to the parenting community. Just a couple of guys, try the best. That was Ram there, seeing everyone. I'll see you next time, Josh. I'll see them. See you them. See the the the the the the to see on the the the the the the the to see on Tuesday on Tuesday on Tuesday on Tuesday on Tuesday on Tuesday on Tuesday on Tuesday on Tuesday on Tuesday on Tuesday on Tuesday on Tuesday on Tuesday on Tuesday on Tuesday on Tuesday on Tuesday on Tuesday on Tuesday on Tuesday on Tuesday. Mom? What is it? Are we there yet? Hello there, it's me, Harry Hill, with some exciting news.

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