Passion Struck with John R. Miles - Dr. Jannell MacAulay On: How to Create a Mindset of Winning EP 119

Episode Date: March 29, 2022

Dr. Jannell MacAulay is a pilot, commander, special operations consultant, international diplomat, TEDx speaker, and professional instructor. She is a combat veteran with 20 years of experience in the US Air Force. Dr. MacAulay was the first leader to introduce mindfulness as a proactive performance strategy within the United States military. About Today's Episode with Dr. Jannell MacAulay I sit down with Jannell to discuss her decision to go to the Air Force Academy. We discuss how she learned how to be her best self through her flight training and serving in combat and her most harrowing flight experience. We discussed what made her start to do mindfulness and why she began to introduce it to her different military assignments. We explore the difference between leadership styles. We explore the difference between somebody who believes that you can change and somebody who thinks you can’t? Why does she believe world-class people, in whatever they do, are paragons of passion. She goes into why she equates mindfulness to doing mental push-ups. We explore her relationship with Seattle Seahawks head coach Pete Carroll, the training course they developed together, and more. Thank you for listening to the Passion Struck podcast. I hope you keep up with the weekly videos I post on my YouTube channel, subscribe to, and share your learnings with those who need to hear them. Your comments are my oxygen, so please take a second and say 'Hey' ;). -- ► Subscribe to My Channel Here: https://www.youtube.com/c/JohnRMiles.  Thank You to Our Sponsors TRADE COFFEE: Trade is offering new subscribers a total of $30 off your first order plus free shipping when you go to https://wwwdrinktrade.com/passionstruck. TEN THOUSAND: Ten Thousand is offering subscribers 15% off when you go to https://tenthousand.cc and use code PASSIONSTRUCK. CODA: Get started having your team all working together on the same page for FREE. Head over to https://www.coda.io/PASSIONSTRUCK. COINBASE: For a limited time, new users can get $10 in free Bitcoin when you sign up today at https://coinbase.com/PASSIONSTRUCK. Time Stamps 0:00 Introduction and Announcements 4:23 Sponsors: Trade Coffee and Ten Thousand 7:16 Why Jannell MacAulay attended the Air Force Academy 11:47 Flying a C-130 through a bad Thunderstorm with Iraqi troops 17:43 Finding mindfulness and being a recovering perfectionist 21:52 The power of doing mental push-ups and using mindset minutes 29:05 Why you have to train your mind in a deliberate way 33:51 Why are people who are world class paragons of passion 37:15 Sponsors: CODA and Coinbase 39:08 Why veterans struggle when they leave the military 43:32 The importance of a clear purpose statement 45:35 How to fix disengagement in corporate settings 52:06 The story of Pete Carroll and Angela Duckworth 56:30 Why love is such a big word for Pete Carroll 1:01:46 Ligthening round of questions 1:07:08 Synthesis FOLLOW DR. JANNELL MACAULAY *Website: https://jannellmacaulay.com/ *Warriors Edge: https://competetocreate.net/warriors-edge/ *Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/macaulayjc/ *Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/drjannellmacaulay/ *LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jannell-macaulay-phd-a187261/ Socials: * Twitter: https://twitter.com/Milesjohnr * Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/johnrmiles.c0m * Medium: https://medium.com/@JohnRMiles ​* Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/john_r_miles * LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/milesjohn/ * Blog: https://passionstruck.com/blog/ * Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/passion_struck_podcast/ * Gear: https://www.zazzle.com/store/passion_struck/ -- John R Miles is a serial entrepreneur and the CEO and founder of Passion Struck. This full-service media company helps people live intentionally by creating best-in-class educational and entertainment content. John is also a prolific public speaker, venture capitalist, and author named to the ComputerWorld Top 100 IT Leaders. John is the host of the Passion Struck Podcast;  a show focused on exploring the mindset and philosophy world's most insightful people to learn their lessons to living intentionally and becoming the masters of their own life and destiny. Passion Struck aspires to speak to the humanity of people in a way that makes them want to live better, be better and impact. Stay tunJohn's John's latest project, his upcoming book, which will be published in summer 2022. Learn more about me: https://johnrmiles.com. New to this channel and the passion-struck podcast? Check out our starter packs which are our favorite episodes grouped by topic, to allow you to get a sense of all the podcast has to offer. Go to Spotify or https://passionstruck.com/starter-packs/. Like this? Please join me on my new platform for peak performance, life coaching, self-improvement, intentional living, and personal growth: https://passionstruck.com/ and sign up for our email list.    

coming up next on the Passion Struck Podcast. The foundation of where my work started, it was really out of self-neccessity. I was in a place where, as I looked around, like, midway through my career, as I was leading teams, as I was looking at my peers, even trying to find someone above me that looked like me, or had a very similar path, or just goals. It was challenging. And even though there was one moment in my life where I literally had everything I thought I ever wanted, I didn't have happiness and joy. Welcome visionaries, creators, innovators, entrepreneurs, leaders and growth seekers of all types to the Passion Struck podcast. Hi, I'm John Miles, a peak performance coach, multi-industry CEO, maybe veteran and entrepreneur on a mission to make

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who is a combat veteran with over 3,000 flying hours who spent 20 years in the United States Air Force, where she became the first leader to introduce mindfulness as a proactive performance strategy. She specializes in high performance under stress with a holistic approach. She's the co-founder of Warriors Edge, a high performance mindset training program. She developed with Pete Carroll, the coach of the Saddle Seahawks, and high performance sports psychologist, Dr. Michael Jervais.

Dr. McColley is a graduate of the U.S. Air Force Academy, holds a master's in physiology from Penn State University and a PhD in the field of strategic health and human performance. And in today's discussion, we go into why she made the decision to attend the U.S. Air Force Academy and follow in her family's legacy. Some of the biggest lessons that she learned from training to be a pilot and her most heroine flight experience. We discussed what made her start mindfulness and why she started introducing it to her military commands. What's the difference between somebody who believes you can change and somebody who can't? Why she believes that people who are world-class and anything that they do are

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Thank you so much for having me. I'm really excited to be here with you, John. Well, I always love interviewing guests, but especially when they're fellow veterans. So excited to have you on here today and hear your amazing story. So I thank for the listener. A great place we could start is similar to my background. We both went to service academies.

I know why I went, but I'm always interested in finding out similar to my background, we both went to service academies. I know why I went, but I'm always interested in finding out why does someone leave the comfort of going to civilian university to go to a service academy? So what was that big draw for you? Yes, it definitely takes an interesting person to go the academy life.

So I like to talk about when I was growing up, I grew up in a family of Marines, two grandfathers that served in the Marine Corps. My uncle also was a helicopter pilot and used to take me to the air shows. And then my dad was a police officer. My mom was a nurse and my dad used to do this thing where he would tell any stranger

we would meet. And I distinctly remember this as a seven year old. He would say, my daughter's going to grow up and be a combat pilot or a submarine warfare commander. And these strangers would just like beam and be, oh my gosh, you, you're going to go do that kind of thing. And I had no idea that back in the 1980s, when he was saying this, those jobs weren't even open to women, right? His goal was just to inspire me to really dream big and be anything I wanted to be. And so I think the repetitive nature of that conversation he would have kind of instilled something in me about wanting to do something bigger than myself, plus coming from

a family of public servants, I think I had a calling to serve in some way. And then my uncle, he flew President Reagan and Marine One, and I remember going out to Washington, D.C. and getting to see the helicopter. And every time he would even come into Southern California, that's right, lived at the time we would get to go see the helicopter come in and fly around and it was just a really neat experience and really inspired me to do something in the military, right? Like it was almost like the weird calling. Although I was not the stereotypical high school young woman that was going to be on that path. I mean I twiled batons, I was actually a championship baton tweler when I was younger and a cheerleader and a dancer, but I think that it's a great story

to illustrate that there isn't one right path for anyone, right? We can kind of choose our own path if we believe in ourselves and our capabilities. So even though I didn't fit the typical mold of what you might think would grow up to be a combat pilot and a leader, I definitely demonstrated that we don't have to fit inside of a mold and we can kind of chart our own course. Okay, well I have an interesting story for you. A part of mine from the Naval Academy was actually the pilot on Marine Corps one and he happened to be the pilot on a fateful day that Vice President Dick Cheney happened to shoot someone while he was out hunting. And so he said Vice President Cheney didn't talk a lot to begin with, but he said in this particular situation,

he sat in the back, didn't really acknowledge anyone, was clearly distraught about what happened, but during their landing into the national observatory, they were facing 30 to 40 mile per hour Gus. And he said it was one of the most heroin landings that they've ever done. They tried to convince him that they didn't want to do it and he demanded, no, you're taking me down and he said it was probably the most frightful 15, 20 minutes of his flight career ever. So interesting story. I think they probably should have just gone to Andrews and

taken a having been on a number of harrowing health lifelike myself. It's not a fun situation. But it let me to want to ask you during your time as a pilot. I know you've got 3,000 plus hours. Can you talk about a harrowing experience that you had in the cockpit? Oh my goodness, I've had quite a few. I flew Lear Jets, C21s, but I happened to fly them in Europe and Africa and the Middle East, because I was stationed at Germany at the time. So I've got, gosh, quite a few interesting stories.

And I was over there during September 11th and just how the world changed and in fact flying in American aircraft right around the world. And then I flew C-130s, combat tactical airlifters and then also KC-10 tankers. But I will say probably my most heroine experience is coupled with the most rewarding deployment. I think I had, I don't know if you felt this way, but you spend a lot of time training and I felt when they said, hey, it's your turn to deploy and go contribute into your part. It was, yes, send me. I'm ready. contribute in this real-world way. So I was super excited about my first deployment in the C-130

to to Kuwait, which meant most of our missions were in and out of Afghanistan and Iraq. And there was one night where we actually flew the first group of Iraqi army soldiers from Baghdad to Basra. It happened to be one of those evenings where there were thunderstorms everywhere and if you know anything about the C-130, it flies low and slow. And so we don't fly over thunderstorms because we don't fly that fast or high. It's more like I got a pick your way through it with your weather radar. And unfortunately on this evening it was a high priority mission. We had media there because it was the first time these the Iraq era was going to get on a American military aircraft. Many of them had never flown before. And of course everything that could possibly go wrong in that mission was going wrong.

First, we took off, we did get struck by lightning, we lost our generators, which in the C-130E model, if you lose a generator and you can't get it back online, it's attached to the engine. There's no disconnect. So you have to shut down the engine. Otherwise, more dangerous things could happen if that dead generator is still spinning. Luckily, we did get three of our generators back online.

So we only have to end up shutting down one engine. So it was a little bit of a heritage situation. But it was so bumpy. And of course, these poor Iraqi soldiers had never flown on a C-130 before. They were lighting up cigarettes, which, of course, is also like a no-no on a military aircraft. We have a Manila envelopes with a puke bag that's inside of it.

They're secured under every seat. Instead of grabbing the plastic bag out of it to vomit in the plastic bag, they were vomiting inside the Manila envelopes, which obviously was not very cleanly. I mean, it was just one of those crazy events where when you get back on the ground, like there's flight crew information files that go out the next day about, please don't let your passengers smoke on the aircraft side. We were able to handle everything that came our way in a very professional manner because we were so well trained. And also I like to say because I had this mindset of grit and determination and also staying focused no matter like how many people are throwing things that you solve my problem. Like as aircraft commander sometimes it can be overwhelming and so being able to focus on what's most important. But additionally, I really appreciated that mission because as we were interacting with the Ivaraki army, it was like those individuals that chose to stand on that side, right, because there

were different sides they could have chosen to have a weapon in their hand that suited or pointed at me or have a weapon in their hand that's pointed with me. And so it was kind of like a very rewarding mission to kind of fly and see through that first airlift of Army troops that were supporting our side or we were supporting actually their side in that conflict. So it was overall, probably like I said, I have so many like you probably do crazy interesting stories, but that was one that I will never forget.

Well, I think you'd you'll like this story. I had Marine Corps major Katie Higgins cook on the podcast last year, and I'm not sure if you know who she is, but she was the first Blue Angels pilot, and she flew the fat out. So nice to see the C-130 have a first bit of Lillangels. Absolutely. The C-130 is such a great plane as I got to fly sexy fancy speedy jets and I will always have a soft spot for the C-130 E-model. It was just a workhorse and you know, you can land that thing in the dirt. You could take off on short strips, you could duct tape it, we'll make it home. It was a very forgiving aircraft, yeah. Yeah, I remember my time on them.

I just could never believe the size of the cockpit, which is probably the biggest of any plane I've ever been in. Absolutely. Well, so I wanted to ask you about how you incorporated mindfulness into the military because having been in the military myself, unless you were with a specialized team like the Green Brays or Ford observer or a seal, you typically wouldn't find people concerned about mindfulness. In fact, it might be the last thing that a person in the military with such type of personalities would want to focus on. So how did you introduce that? What was the backdrop to it? Yeah, that it was really out of self necessity. I was in a place where, as I looked around,

like midway my career, as I was leading teams, as I was looking at my peers, that even trying to find someone above me that looked like me, or had a very similar path, or just goals, it was challenging. And even though there was one moment in my life where I literally had everything I saw I ever wanted, I didn't have happiness and joy.

And I really looked around one day and was just like, why can I see the laughter? I kind of forgot how to laugh. I can't see the love that's literally right in front of my face. And I like to say I'm a recovering perfectionist because I was constantly battling with this idea of having to be perfect at everything.

And I think the military is an environment where, you know, we definitely thrive on those high performing spaces, we thrive on accomplishment, we are like, go, go, go, we're in the hustle. And we forget that there's value in slowing down, that there's actually ways to find joy along our journey. And it was kind of like this aha moment for me where I realized if I wanted to continue to succeed, I had to find a new path where I didn't have to sacrifice my health and relationships in pursuit of accelerating my professional success.

And so right around this same time I was having this epiphany in my own journey, the Air Force sent me back to school to get my PhDs. So that was kind of like, you get to solve a big problem, study it, research it. And so really my dissertation focused on, how do you build the most effective human weapon system to execute the military as high stress mission. And in that process, how do you find like thriving and joy and happiness? And that's really where I found and discovered we can train three things as human beings to prepare ourselves for those stressful environments

and to prepare ourselves to be high performing. And that means we can train our body, which we all know, We have physical conditioning programs. We can train our craft, which we also know very well, especially in the military. We spend a sense of amounts of time honing our specific job skill set. And then we can train our minds. And that was something that I realized up to that point I'd been in the military for about 13 years and no one had ever told me how to train my mind in preparation for these types of experiences. And a lot of it is built out of, you know, just the experience, the growth, right? We train all of those things,

but it was an incomplete strategy without a deliberate and intentional focus on training and preparing your mind. And I know a lot of what you talk about in your podcast is being intentional about the way we prepare ourselves and the way that we live our lives. And I had never been intentional in that space. And when I looked at the science, the evidence, and the research, I realized that not only was I missing that in my life, but the entire military wasn't focusing in that space.

Now maybe you would have like a leader somewhere that understood that and would train or use that with their organization or some specialty teams, like we talked about with the SEALs. But the general population of the military was not a topic we discussed. And what I found in the research is that mindfulness is the most effective tool. I equate mindfulness to doing mental push-ups. So just like you would do push-ups for your body to be physically ready and prepared for challenges, we need to do those same push-ups with our mind. And that's really how I've been effective in sharing it and teaching it across the

militaries. It's not just about this idea of like self-compassion and meditation, which are all great things, but it's not that message that really resonates with the war fighter. The war fighter wants to be badass. We want to be high performing. And if we equate it to train your body, train your craft, train your mind, I think that that message really resonates so that we can prepare ourselves in a holistic way for the adversity we will face. Yeah, it sounds like you and I had something very similar happen to each one of us, although under very different circumstances. I had been out of the military for a bit of time and I hadn't been working for Fortune 100 companies.

I was in what I would have considered at that point in time to be my dream job, at that point in my life, which was the CIO Adele, but I was working 100 to 120 hour weeks. I was traveling two weeks of the month, mostly to different continents. When I was home, I was up at 4.35 o'clock in the morning to kind of catch Asia and hit Europe. Then I would have this short period of time with the family. And then I was back to work because I had 15,000 employees that were in India.

So I reached this point where I got so consumed with the hustle culture and the grind that I started to become numb and just started to, everything starts breaking down your physical health gets worse, your mental health gets worse, your relationships break down because your mind is never present. It's always focused on a million things. And I think today, so many

people in the world are facing these same issues. So if you're someone who was in that position that I was in right now and they might be feeling apathetic, lonely, helpless. What do you tell people is a starting point on how to break free from it? Yeah, it's very challenging, especially when our culture and our society actually rewards that type of work and behavior. I like to think, or this term, competitive stress

environment really resonates with me because I feel no matter if it's just being a mom, you feel like you're in this competitive stress. Are my kids doing enough things? What is that mom doing? Am I contrasting like the birthday parties? And how is my social media seen with other people? And then in a workplace we're constantly doing that. And so it feeds off each other right and you get rewarded for it. So some people don't even realize that they're in that space when they're there. I like to think that most people have a pressure point or a suffering, an amount of suffering where change will then be needed in order to alleviate some of that pain. So I like to say I plant seeds because what I talk

about is not for everybody at that time in their life, but you mentioned a lot of people do realize in your journey, you hit a point where you're just like, I can't do this anymore. There's got to be a better way. And the the best thing I can tell people is you have to make it deliberate and intentional and it has to be with just as much emphasis as you do those other things in your life. It's not easy. And I get this all the time like, what's the quick fix in the hack?

Dr. McColley, teach me what's the one thing I need to know, right? That's going to solve all these problems for me. And unfortunately, it takes discipline and hard work. This is not easy. If everybody could emotionally regulate and live more present and stay more focused and not listen to the crazy voices inside their heads, we would have a totally different society. Right?

The sheer fact of the matter is that this is a challenging skill set. I like to ask, do you feel like you command your mind or does your mind command you? Many times we will make a decision or have a thought process lead us down a path, and then we sit back and say, how did I get here?

This is not where I intended to be. And so that's where we let our thoughts and our mind control us. And so learning to take back that control, to control our thoughts and change our behaviors, right? Because everything starts with our thoughts, which then, you know, create our actions, words and behaviors. And if we can get command of those thoughts, command of your mindset, you can really change your outcome. But again, you have to be ready to do the work. So that what

that work includes, and the best place to start is with what I call mindful minutes. Mindfulness is that mental exercise that helps our mind stay more focused in the moment and in the present instead of catastrophizing about the future or worrying and regretting over the past. And so the more you practice these mental pushups, the more you hone your attention system to stay focused on what's right in front of you.

It's kind of like we all read a page in a book and you get to the bottom and then you think, and I remember what I just read. Or, right, I gave you a pipe, driven your car someplace at one point and you get your destination and you're like, I don't even remember what roads I took to get here. So you were having an off-task thought during an ongoing task or activity, right?

You were trying to read the book or drive your car and your mind wanders. And our minds are fantastic at mental time travel. In fact, they do it almost 50% of our waking moments. They are mind wandering. And mind wandering means going someplace that you are not telling it to go, right? Like you are saying, I want to read the page in the book it to go, right? Like you are, you are saying I want to read the page in the book, but your mind, right, takes you elsewhere. And the research tells us that the majority of the time we mind wander in that manner, we tend to

start thinking about those worries and those regrets and the stressors in our life and our overwhelm. So a wandering mind is actually an unhappy one. So if we can decrease the amount of wandering, we can actually increase like our contentment joy and happiness. So the act of doing mental push ups or what I equate to just doing mindful minutes because it can be as easy as one minute at a time. If I tell you hey you have John, you have to sit for 10 minutes every morning and do your mental push-ups. You might do it for a day, maybe two days, and then it would be like, I can't do this or I'm doing it wrong.

It's too long. Life events, right? We come overwhelming. But if I tell you, you just have to do one minute, right? And try to do one minute in intervals where otherwise you would just be sitting there, right? Like if you're waiting in line somewhere, we have a automated response to pull out our phones. Well, instead of pulling out your phone, do a mindful minute, then pull out your phone and be intentional about the things that you're doing instead of mind wandering through opening your phone and scrolling through email or Facebook

or whatever it is. If you're sitting at a red light, you can do a mindful minute at that red light. And all it really requires is for you to focus intently on your breathing. You focus on a particular sensation, maybe the air going in and out of your nostrils or the rise or fall of your belly or chest, but you focus intently on that sensation for an entire minute. And every time your mind wanders, because it will in the span of a minute, you just recognize that you're wandering, because that's the thing, we don't recognize it fast enough. So you're training your mind to recognize the distraction, and then refocusing back onto your breath. And every time you lose focus and refocus,

that is a mental push-up, right? Strengthening your mind to be more on the play button of your experience. Well, I like your definition of the mindset minutes because on my YouTube channel, I have a whole section that I call mindset moments and I try to do two to three minute short videos, either they're my videos or I capture them off these interviews. Because a lot of people don't want to sit through a an hour long interview, they want, you know, that golden nugget that you can get in a short period of time.

So I try to showcase those as well. Well, I wanted to ask along the lines we were talking about, what is the difference do you think between somebody who believes that you can change and somebody who believes that you can't. Well, our mindset is very powerful. If you tell yourself that you can't change, you're right. Right? If you tell yourself you can change, you also can be right. We talk a lot about in our training programs and the work that I do with between corporate America as well as the military law enforcement and healthcare.

We focus on individuals who operate in these high-stress environments. We have to make split second decisions. And a lot of those split second decisions, they come from your thought patterns, they come from your ability to stay in the moment and focus, but they also come from the things you tell yourself when you're doing hard things. And that's where confidence comes from,

we know from the research that confidence in a high stress moment comes from one place only, and that's what you tell yourself. And so if you tell yourself that this life is really stressful, I cannot make any changes, then that's really the mindset that you're going to have and it will be very difficult. Right, to then combat that when that's the prevailing thought pattern. Yet if you can switch that that phase and it works and a lot of different like this is why you have to train your mind and just a little bit way. Because if you're in a moment, that's very stressful for you. There are a lot of things that are gonna go on your sympathetic nervous system is gonna activate, right, your heart rate's gonna start racing, you're gonna get sweaty palms.

And then thoughts are gonna start popping into your head. And here's one example. When say a young person goes for an athletic event or say to take a test, that sympathetic nervous system automatically goes off and the immediate thought inside their head is, my body is telling me I'm nervous, I can't do this. Right, I'm sure you've experienced that.

I know I had experienced that many times in my career, flying airplanes, doing hard things, getting up in front of an audience to speak, right? Your body activates and you think to yourself, I'm nervous, this moment's too big, I can't do it. I'm not, this moment's too big, I can't do it, I'm not prepared. Right? And most of that is because ever since we were little kids, we were taught and trained that those butterflies mean nerves. When in fact, the science behind our activation is that it just tells

us that we're about to do something important. We're about to do something that we as a human being have assigned meaning to. And because of that, our body activates in preparation for it. But the second we start then having the negative thought patterns, we actually get overactivated. And then we aren't in the best position to be able to change or able to perform at our best. And so what we like to train people on is when you feel those sensations, to rewire the words and phrases you say to yourself. And one way you do that is through confidence building and using like a confidence mantra is what I would call it. So what do you say to yourself when you're about to do difficult and challenging things? Now,

most people will say, well, I rely on my experience in those moments to tell myself, okay, well, I can do this because I've done it before. But what if you haven't done that exact thing before? Where do you get the confidence in those moments? And that's where a confidence mantra that sounds something like, well, I can adjust. Because I've adjusted when hard things have happened to me that I didn't plan for. And've made it through so therefore what's the difference in this scenario I know I can adjust or my family's mantra we use I can do difficult things. And so my kids if they're facing a challenge whether it's mountain biking or there are other athletic activities or taking a test. I have conditioned ourselves for when we feel out activated. We tell ourselves, this is just my body saying, I'm excited about this because it's important to me. And I know I can do difficult things so I'm going to bring my best self to this moment.

And all of these, so that's why all of these things kind of work together, these mindset skills, and we have to deliberately train our mind in a very proactive way in order for them to be most effective in those high stress moments. Okay, well, I think that was a great answer to that. And I'm gonna take a stand a little bit of a different track. Yeah. I wanted to ask you because you were a leader

in the military, now you're a leader in the civilian world, you work with a lot of high achievers across all of that. So, why do you think people who are world class and whatever they do are paragons of passion? That's a very interesting question. I think we found from a lot of the research when someone clearly understands who they are instead of what they do, they're more able to show up as their full self, as their highest performing self, especially when pressure is applied to the situation. And I think that that kind of goes to speak to this anchor inside our passions. But if you don't know what makes you you, what sets your soul on fire, right? What gives you the

ability to persevere, right? Because grit is where passion and perseverance, right? In pursuit of long-term goals. And what we found is that most people think that perseverance is the hardest thing. Like, oh yeah, people know what they're passionate about. But actually, it's real passion that then creates the perseverance those challenging and long-term situations that is the harder thing.

Like, people really figuring out who they are, what makes them tick, what gets them up in the morning is really a challenging and difficult thing. But when you find it, that's where like this magic happens. As I'm sure your whole podcast is resonating in this idea, that when you figure that out, magic can happen, right? Like there's a spark inside of you. figure that out magic can happen, right? Like there's a spark inside of you. And so we found that at the way that we kind of train that and use that self-discovery development in our mental skills training is around this idea of what is your personal philosophy? What is a way that articulates and clearly articulates who you are and what you're about, not just what you do. And as you know, I struggled with this for a portion of my career and many military folks,

many uniformed occupation struggle with it because you wear a uniform, you're on display like this is who I am, right? I'm a pilot, which is not true, right? Like I happen to be someone who flies airplanes, right? That's what I do, but that is not necessarily who I am. And we mix up those definitions, I think, within ourselves. And that's why I think we have a lot of veterans who struggle with separating a retiring and taking off the uniform, our law enforcement, you know, brothers and sisters also suffer from this is that they feel lost because they don't really understand who they are anymore because it was so tied to that profession

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especially let's say you're in a tight unit or you're in an infantry field, whatever it may be, you've got this band of people around you who are kind of keeping you in check. They're making you perform to your highest level and you don't want to let them down because you're going to have to go to combat with them or something else. And I said a lot of times when you leave, you lose that band that's around you, that support structure that's pushing you to be your best self. And you kind of just feel this void. So I said to her, luckily for me,

I was mentally strong when I left, and I had a smoother landing because I went to work for Booz Allen. And a lot of the people I was working with were in the military, but it can be difficult because one second, you've got all the support structural around you, you've got people who are giving you goals, encouraging you to do better, working out with you, etc. And then all of a sudden, here's someone on their own left in the void. But I don't think it's just the military. I think

a lot of people are feeling that way today. Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. The military, I think also, it's even harder because of what you were saying. Not only do you feel lost just with your own individual sense of self, but then you did lose the tribe that kind of also came with it. And the tribe, like, it feeds into this idea, right?

Because the tribe is I have like my band of brothers that are pilots, sorry, I have my team. And so it does kind of feed into that concept of like what we are doing together is what's most important because you aren't really getting that sense of self and individual, right? Who am I and what makes me me when you're on those teams and in those tribes, right? And so it just compounds, I think that issue when we do separate, but you're on those teams and in those tribes, right?

And so it just compounds, I think that, that issue when we do separate, but you're right, it's not isolated to just the military. A lot of our other service-oriented professions that were uniformed struggle with that. And I think just COVID in general, like this last two years has created a lot of uncertainty and a lot of people's lives as to kind of where they're going. And what we've just found from the research, and when you started the question with asking me

some of those high performers that I've studied and worked with, what makes them able to do what they do. And one of those core concepts is being super secure in who they are, right? Not just defined by I'm a football player or I'm an Olympic athlete, who am I as a person so that I can go out in difficult situations and challenging circumstances and know how to be my true self, right? The worst thing you want to do in those high-pressure

moments is have to have to think about who am I and how do I act and how do I yield the right thoughts in these moments like you should have done all that work ahead of time in preparation for that intense situation? Yeah, I thought one of the best answers I've heard on this topic because I don't know about you, but I hate in social circumstances when someone approaches you and says, what do you do? Because there's so many answers to it. You're a parent, you're a spouse,

but I was listening to Hillary Swank talk one day and she kind of got that answer. And she's like, I could give a ton of things. I'm an actress, I'm a producer, I'm this, I'm that, I'm a mom, but she said at the end of the day, what I am is a storyteller. And I don't care if that's expressing a story to my kids to teach him a lesson or to produce a film

or other thing that I think needs to get out in the world or even when I'm acting, I'm doing my best to tell a story. And she put it around something that emotionally motivates her or calls her to want to serve others. So I thought that that was a really good explanation and a little bit different than what you hear most people answer with. Yeah, absolutely. I would ask, there's two ways that I kind of get after that.

One is by having a very clear purpose statement. So like, my purpose statement is, I help people achieve peak performance with a focus on passion, purpose, and presence. And when I was in the military as a leader, I could do that every day with my uniform on leading people interacting, mentoring. And when I got out of the military, that didn't change, right? My job now is to still hope, inspire other people to be their best. And when I'm not doing things, speaking on a podcast or traveling and doing workshops or keynotes, I think that same thing is my goal every day with my kids, right? I am here to help inspire them to find passion, purpose, and presence in their life

and help them be their best selves. So, and that's why when you understand the core of who you are, So, and that's why when you understand the core of who you are, you actually take a lot of the difficultness inside decision-making out of the equation, right? Because you know how to be you, and how to make decisions that are true to the direction and the values that are very clear to your integrity and your sense of self. And then the other the other thing I like to do, I do get, I drive me crazy when people say what do you do for a living. My favorite question to ask people is what's going good for you? Even instead of just saying hey how are you? I walk around the airport, you know, you meet the gate agent, you the TSA, the instead of just saying hey how are you? I you can't imagine how many people get thrown off with the question, what's going good for you?

Like, they're like, what? Because they're normally like, yeah, good, I'm good, I'm good, I'm fine, I'm whatever. But when I actually deliberately asked them to think of something that's going good for them, right? It throws them off for a second. But it always makes people smile and I feel like it's a great way to train optimism, right, because now you're actually looking for the good.

Instead of the negative, which is where a lot of our minds tend to go. Yeah, one thing along those lines that I do every week is Friday morning, I journal every day, but Friday morning, I always ask myself this question, what can I celebrate from this week to start it off? And then my second question will be, what can I improve upon this week? And then the last question is, how can I be a more authentic person next week? And so I've been doing that now for a period of time and I think it really does help you think about what's going good in your life and no matter how good it's going, there are always things that you can improve on. So what are you going to be intentional about going forward and then

how do you take those steps to do the work on the week to come? Um, still be mindful about it. So work on the week to come, so you'll be mindful about it. So I agree with you there. Well, I wanted to shift. We talked about you being in the military. We talked a lot about mindfulness and the individual, but I think it's important to discuss what you're doing with many of the clients that you speak to. So I am currently seeing a pretty bad environment around engagement and companies. It seems like productivity is hitting all time lows, people are distracted, people are

consumed with other things going on in their life, they're not being present in what they're doing, they're spontaneously engaging. What do you think are some of the root causes of that? So we are a highly distracted, just culture. Our population is highly distracted. There's a lot of things that are just band-aid fixes. You can give your employees a day off, right? Which obviously will kind of help reset recovery charge.

But if you're not changing like the environment, the day-to-day environment, you're not going to see the long-term gains in that productivity efficiency increased focus, that you really need to see and you really need to have for your employees. You know, there's been some research with respect to like that distraction. I said 50% right of the of our waking moments were not actually in the present moment, which definitely causes errors and the things that we do it causes us to perceptually decouple from what's going on in front of us. So if you're a leader and you're having a conversation with someone who works for you, you're really not paying attention. And that can damage connection and relationships. So there's a lot of factors that kind of play into this inability for us to stay focused and the high amounts of distraction. And so with that, I think companies and different organizations And so with that, I think companies and different organizations need to take a look at the leadership, right? First of all, the model behaviors that are creating the culture within their organization. And it can be as simple as things like the leader taking a mindful minute before a meeting.

There's been research that, you know, we are distracted when we walk into meetings. Maybe you just dropped off your kids at school, you had a crazy chaotic morning, where you hit every red light, and that's the storytelling inside your head. Your kids were bickering in the back seat, you were late, and you bring all of that into your meeting. And so we found that doing like a mindful minute as well as removing

your cell phone from your body, right, even just having it on your person distracts you by 20%. But it brings more of your attention to the focus of the task at hand, which would be that meeting. And so there's just those little things you can do and you can set the tone as a leader by like not having the cell phones in doing you don't even have to call it a mindful minute I've had some organizations we call it a cognitive preparation right we're going to cognitively prep before this meeting by just taking a minute to sit back take is take some deep breaths and then now everybody's attention is more focused right on whatever task is about to come from that, that meeting and at that table. So there's just those little things. I mean, I get a lot of people tend to go into these deep cycles of mind wandering where mind is mentally hijacked and time traveling and you aren't paying attention to your kids. And so all day at work, you feel like how, you think about how horrible you are at home. And then when you're at home, you're thinking about all the things you're missing out on at

work or not doing right at work. And that is such an inefficient way to use our brain and our minds. And so wouldn't it be great if you could live your feet are planted and when you're at work, be at work and when you're at home, be at home. And so mindful minutes can be great transition points to help you. And then as a leader, set the tone in the example, whether that's the leader at home with your family or the leader at work, or even just the teammate that can influence people inside their three-foot circle, we can use those types of mindful minutes to just reset our mindset, our attention and go from home to work

or go from work to home. Like I have definitely found myself sending my kids inside and sitting in my car for a minute before I walk in. Because if I don't do that, I don't create that deliberate, right? Training of my mind to separate those two environments, I'm gonna take all that baggage in with me, right? It's going to be sitting and kind of festering in my mind to separate those two environments, I'm gonna take all that baggage in with me, right? It's going to be sitting and kind of festering in my mind.

And I do the same thing at the end of the day, kind of what you're just describing at the end of the week, asking myself two questions, what did I do well and where can I improve? Because that's another thing, like when we can't leave work if we're still thinking about the things we filled out that day or not celebrating our successes enough. And so

that I call it like your the your end of day focus, where you take a couple deep breaths, you recite your personal philosophy of what's most important to you. And then you ask those two quick questions, do a digital dump is what I call check your phone one last time before you walk in with your family. So then you don't feel like there's something nagging on your digital device. And then kind of do that mindful minute and walk inside. It can be very powerful because we are creatures of habit as human beings and we like boundaries.

And so I really think COVID has blurred a lot of our lines and boundaries with work and home. And so now these mindful minutes can be a very deliberate and intentional way to separate those spaces. Yeah, I believe that the other aspect in addition to what you're talking about by companies are missing, you could refer to it as a passion struck culture, or I've got an upcoming interview with Claude Silver who's the chief heart officer for her company. And I had never heard the chief heart officer for her company and I had never heard that

chief heart officer but when I started talking to her about it we were actually talking about the same thing. It's heartfelt leadership and I think one of the things that is missing today and I found it when I was in these large organizations is that people feel so disconnected from whatever it is that they're doing from their work and how is that benefiting anyone that serves the company. And so to me, a big portion of this is that you have to get the person passion struck about the mission that they're serving and that what they're doing, whether it be in the military or in a business, is impacting shareholders. It's impacting customers.

It's impacting internal employees at the company and that you're making a difference and that it matters. Whether you're in a call center, whether you're in air traffic controller, regardless of what it is, if you don't have a line of sight that shows that what you're doing is significant, it's going to be hard to feel heartfelt about what you're doing is significant. It's going to be hard to feel heartfelt about what you're doing. And that leads me to someone who is very heartfelt about what he does, which is Pete Carroll.

And I happened to be rereading Brit by Angela Duckworth a few weeks ago. And as I was originally discovering you, I read the whole section and how everything that Pete does is really teaching his players how to have grit, but even more than that, how do you have a mindset of winning? And so I thought it was just remarkable that you have a relationship with Pete and have actually developed a training program with him. So I was hoping you could talk about that. Yeah, so the interesting thing about grid, I'll just share this with you.

Angela Duckworth had given her Ted Talk and Pete had watched it. And she kind of alluded to this idea that you can't really train great. And he was, hold up, like we're training it. We're doing it here at the Seahawks. They're partnering less gritty individuals with grittier individuals. And we're showing that a less gritty does not drag the other one down, right?

It's the gritty person will bring the elevate, the less gritty individual through that repetitive exposure to that kind of perseverance and passion around something. And so anyway, that's kind of like how he ended up connecting with Angela and kind of some of the storytelling in the book. Pete is a great example of someone who really understands that when you're your best and you're your best and you're your best and you're your best and you lock arms together, you can really make an unstoppable team

that can be very effective in achieving those goals. And working, providing that hard work that's required. Well, I just thought it was so inspirational to hear the way, like you're saying, that he partners people up and I happen to interview a player who was his first round draft pick in the first year that he was there and that player coming out of college and telling me,

as he was being coached by Pete, he started to understand why USC had been such a successful program because he learned so much self confidence and intentionality and everything that he was doing to be a better player every single day, to be better for his teammates, to be better for himself, to reach beyond himself into the community, to learn, you know, what was happening in Seattle, how he could be a part of it, and really being service of others, instead of just being a football player and service of self. So, I really think a lot about what Pete is doing and how he's inspiring his players.

Well, yeah, he also, I'll just said, caveat that with love is a big word for Pete. And love and heart, like having heart and what you do, genuinely showing care and concern for everybody on the team and making it like a concept that if you want to be on the team, you get to learn how to like love each other, which is a very strong emotion

and one that is usually not equated in a lot of sports. And so I think that's also been really innovative in the way that he has kind of transformed some of the mindsets in elite athletics. Yeah, I think love is kind of like Christmas in a way and where I'm going to go with this because it's probably not an analogy. Typically, you typically think about is, if I remember there were a number of years where I was just so busy at work that I didn't have time to get the kids, the Christmas presents or participate as much as I would want in it. And I remember those Christmases for me were the most disappointing because I think the

more you put into it and being thoughtful about what you're doing for the other one, other person, and then seeing the joy by, you know, your thought process and getting them back gift to me, that's more rewarding than any gift you get. And I think love is kind of the same way because you get out of it what you put into it. And if you're not giving love, you can't expect to get it to get it back. We're not in the same way that you want. So I've been reading this book Transcend, which is kind of the Abraham Maslow 2.0, and they have a whole section on this topic of B-Love, and it's really all around that.

That if you want to be loved, you want to feel connected, you want to have these relationships, whether it's with a partner or others, then you have got to give it out the same way that you want it to come back in the universe or it's not going to happen. So I think that's great.

I didn't know that aspect of them. Yeah, for sure. For sure, I love that you shared that analogy too. I think that makes perfect sense. And I think that's the other innovative way that I've been trying to transform the military culture is a way from this like GI Joe, everybody gets the same training, everybody's the same person, right? Like, type mentality that worked for a time in a very necessary time, but

with our all volunteer force, and now all the things we know about performance and how people show up to be their best selves, especially when lives are on the line and having to make split second decisions. This idea that you can be your best self and I as a leader can help get that out of you through a focus on figuring out more about who you are, showing care and concern and love,

talking about these topics that were normally taboo, one point and how we led teams, especially in the military. I think that's really what's going to transform the individual's ability to feel like they, as I would say, right? They have belonging and they have this pride in what they do so that they can be self-actualized and high-performing, especially in the most intense circumstances. can be self-actualized and high-performing, especially in the most intense circumstances. Yeah, it's really emotional optimism in many ways.

Absolutely. Well, Janelle, I wanted to give you a chance to tell the audience if they're interested in learning more about you. And of course, I'll put this in the show notes. How can they do so? Yes, thank you. So I have a website, genelmacali.com where you can learn more about my journey

and the work that I do. I do provide keynotes and workshops and trainings for different organizations. And my latest training is called Commander Mindset where we really talk through how you can accelerate your professional success without having had to sacrifice your health and relationships along the path. And additionally, the Warriors Edge course,

my collaboration with Pete Carroll, as well as Dr. Michael Jervet, can be found at the compete to create.net website backslash Warriors Edge, or if you just Google Warriors Edge in my name, it will come up. But that is, we offer that course as a live training eight hour facilitated by myself or an elite military operator on our team, as well as an Olympic athlete. So we'll come into your organization and share about how to build a high performance mindset by teaching you the 16 principles of mindset that you can train. And we also have a digital course, so it's self-paced and online for anyone interested

in taking the Warriors edge curriculum. But yeah, it's just been such a joy to talk to you today to have this conversation. And I'm on all the social media and different platforms, although I will say I have a very healthy relationship with social media because I know how it can control our mind and dominate our thought patterns, so, but I do try to share and post whether a couple just very quick questions whatever comes to your mind so I've had a number of astronauts in this program and so a question I came up with is if you weren't astronauts selected for Artemis and you got this opportunity to go to Mars and they said you could implement a law

a guiding principle for the rest of humanity on Mars. What would it be? I would want to create a culture where doing mental push-ups is just part of our day to day. Nobody thinks strangely or looks at you funny if you say, hey, I'm going to do my mental push-ups before I continue. That would be the culture I would want to create. And every day thing that we just do that minute of a mental pushup becomes standard. If we were to start a culture where even the youngest among us were doing that on a day to day basis,

we could really transform how we communicate, how we emotionally regulate, and how we make decisions as a group. And probably also help port suicides between 14 and 19 year olds being the fourth leading cause of death worldwide. Absolutely. So the second question would be, you get to fill in as the guest on the late late show, and you're doing car karaoke.

Who would you want to have in the car with you to do it? Oh my goodness. I, there's so many names that are coming to my mind right now. I would actually love to be in the car with Adele. I think she would be so fascinating to not only talk to, but to just be in the presence of such an amazing talent because singing is not my talent. So we'll need somebody to like cover up my portion of the singing. Yeah, one of the things I love about Adele is I don't think she thinks she's that special. And I think that really speaks to how great she really is. Yeah. Okay, so two more fun ones. Okay. If you could meet anyone that you've never met before and they could be a person who's deceased from hundreds of years ago or someone who's alive today, who would you like to meet? I would actually, that's an easy one for me. I. And it's been kind of a guiding principle for me,

really realizing that even when I feel alone, like I am the only one, right? And there was a moment where I felt like I was the sole person in the entire military beating a drum about breathing and mindfulness and focus and it took a lot of continuous courage and strength to fight against the naysayers and the people who were questioning my methods. And I just kept thinking like what is the right thing to do and how can I be the change. And so I would love to talk to Gandhi about just where how he came to be, who he is, and how he kind of created those movements. So yeah, wouldn't it be great to have a fire side chat with Gandhi and Mandela?

Oh my goodness. Probably be a lot to unpack right there. Okay, and then, and then we have a recommended book list that's on the Passion Struct site. And it's books that I really enjoy reading. And then I like to get them from the guests too, and I'll add them to it. What's a book that you would recommend for the listeners? Oh my gosh, my number one top favorite book

is Man Search for Meaning by Victor Frankel. I don't know if that's already on your list because I'm wondering if I'm the first person that mentioned it. Do actually are. No way. Oh my gosh. So you have to add it to your list then. Man Search for Meaning by Victor Frankel. It's it's a not a very big book. It's pretty short. He talks about his experience. He was a Holocaust survivor. He survived three different concentration camps, and he was also like a neuroscientist who is really interested in this idea of like what made people survive the experience and what made others not. And so the first part of the book is his story from that time in his life, and then the second part of the book is

his analysis of what he learned and it is fascinating and I think it puts every reader just in this driver's seat of really figuring out what's most important to them. So I really think if you haven't read it, you should, it will fit in. I think with a lot of the things you talk about with finding passion, like where do you find that meaning in your life, especially when things are not going well for you, right? And kind of dire circumstances. So by far, yep. And then I will also put a plug in for Mike and Pete's book,

which is called Compete to Create. It's on Audible. And it really talks about the philosophies behind a lot of the work that we do. Okay, well great. Well, you know, thank you so much for being on the show today. I know the audience is going to love this and we unpacked a lot of the work that we do. Okay, well great. Well, Janelle, thank you so much for being on the show today. I know the audience is gonna love this and we unpacked a lot. We absolutely did.

This was such a fun conversation. Thank you so much for having me, John. What a great interview that was with Dr. Janelle McCauley. And I wanted to highlight a couple of the episodes that we brought up today. The first was episode 20 with Katie Higgins' cook, who was the first female Blue Angels pilot, and then we discussed episode 101 with Claude Silver,

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