Passion Struck with John R. Miles - Futurist Chet W. Sisk On: The 10 Predictions For 2022 Impacting the Future of Society EP 94

Episode Date: December 31, 2021

Chet W. Sisk is a futurist, entrepreneur, author, consultant, speaker, and workshop developer. He talks with John R. Miles about his ten predictions for the future of society in 2022.  Have you ever wondered what the future holds for everyone in 2022? Chet uses his skills as a futurist to assess the past to offer insights that predict what’s going to happen in the future. New to this channel and the passion-struck podcast? Check out our starter packs which are our favorite episodes grouped by topic, to allow you to get a sense of all the podcast has to offer. Go to https://passionstruck.com/starter-packs/. Do You Need To Ship Packages? Try ShipStation ShipStation makes shipping the easy part of running your online store. So you can get back to doing what you’re passionate about—growing your business. Just go to ShipStation.com, click on the microphone at the top, and enter code PASSIONSTRUCK. Like this? Please join me on my new platform for peak performance, life coaching, self-improvement, intentional living, and personal growth: https://passionstruck.com/ and sign up for our email list. Learn more about me: https://johnrmiles.com. SHOW NOTES 0:00 Introducing Chet Sisk 4:04 How do you become a futurist? 7:50 Futurism and its link to journalism 10:19 Chet talks about his transformational books 15:00 What a futurist is or isn't 17:38 Chet's first prediction for 2022 22:34 Chet's second prediction for 2022 30:35 Chet's third prediction for 2022 36:48 Chet's fourth prediction for 2022 40:51 Chet's fifth prediction for 2022 45:00 Chet's Sixth and Seventh predictions for 2022 56:31 Chet's Eighth prediction for 2022 1:01:03 Chet's ninth and tenth predictions for 2022 1:04:07 The overview effect 1:06:00 Rapid round of questions ===== FOLLOW FUTURIST CHET W. SISK ===== * Website: http://www.leadtheshift.com * LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chet-w-sisk-908b597/ * Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/chet.w.sisk   ===== FOLLOW JOHN R. MILES ON THE SOCIALS ===== * Twitter: https://twitter.com/Milesjohnr * Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/johnrmiles.c0m * Medium: https://medium.com/@JohnRMiles​ * Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/john_r_miles * LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/JohnMiles * Blog: https://passionstruck.com/blog/ * Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/passion_struck_podcast   ====== ABOUT JOHN ====== John R. Miles leads a global movement called Passion Struck. He is passionate about being the catalyst who helps individuals expand into the most excellent version of themselves, unlocking the most no regrets life possible. He is a combat veteran, multi-industry CEO, successful entrepreneur, top podcast host, and author who is helping people worldwide regain their passion. John is one of the most-watched, quoted, and followed high-performance trainers globally, and his leadership acumen spans more than two decades. He’s founded or co-founded more than half a dozen successful start-ups, was a Fortune 50 CIO and CISO, mentors rising entrepreneurs, and invests in successful tech ventures. He graduated from the U.S. Naval Academy, where he learned vital leadership skills and was a multi-sport Division 1 athlete.      

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We have over 200 different videos there, and we release three new ones a week. Some long form, like today's episode and others two to eight minute short videos we call mindset moments. Today we have an episode like I have never done before with chat WSES. Chat is a futurist, author, and visionary. Chat's focus is on developing organizations and individuals that can thrive and succeed in a time of massive change. Effective by climate change, technology evolution and social political disruption. In today's discussion, we dived into Chets background and how he

became a futurist. What it means to be a futurist, why he started the UBR Climate Strong Initiative. We discussed his book, You and the New Normal, and why the world is in the middle of a gigantic paradigm shift. And finally, which was extremely fun for me. He and I debate his top 10 predictions for 2022. Thank you for choosing PassionStruck and choosing me to be your host and guide on your journey to live in a no regret's life. Now let the journey begin. [♪ music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music So excited today to have Chet Sosk on the show. Welcome so much to the Passion Start Podcast, Chet. Thank you, John. It is a pleasure. And it really is a pleasure to be with

a kindred spirit when it comes to looking forward and being a seer as it were. I'm excited, I'm excited about the predictions. We get to make for 2022. Well, I think the timing is gonna be excellent for the listeners to hear about this. And I'm so excited to discuss this with you and hopefully we'll have some dialogue around it. So I'm trying to think about the best way to start this episode. And I think maybe the easiest way is

How in the heck do you become a futurist? Yeah, it's not like there's a school you can go to and get a master's degree in futurism It doesn't exist, but I will say this that my my former futurism is really being a glorified journalist. I was trained a trained journalist from the School of Journalism at Southern Illinois University at Carmandale, Go Saluki's. And so we use some of the basic tools of journalism. You ask if you're seeing something, you ask the basic questions.

What is it that I'm seeing? How do I follow the stories? Because you want to follow it over an extended period of time. You want to ask questions about the money. Where's the money coming from? Because that usually tells the truth. You also want to ask a question about, are there any historic comps, some comparisons in history that

look like this that you can point to. And then you want to ask a question about your gut. What is it that you believe that you're seeing? What experience have you had to make you see something that's familiar that you can make some kind of judgment on this particular subject. So you have to trust your gut for some reason. We've gotten away from that. People think that being a trend analyst or a futurist is data driven and it is, but it's not data exclusive.

You have to use your intuitive self to lean into it to figure out what you're seeing. Yeah, it's interesting you bring that up because one of the most famous leaders of our time, Tim Cook, when he talks about how he makes his most important decisions, including the one to join Apple when he had just recently joined Compact. He said, you can have all the data in the world,

but if you don't trust your intuition, which is what he uses to make the decisions, and you can see, I don't think anyone thought when he replaced Steve Jobs that Apple would not only stay on the same trajectory, but go to the market cap that it's at today. So intuition definitely plays a key role. Yeah, I'll say I never heard that quote,

and maybe that's my embarrassment, but that is just my personal experience that you're intuitive self, you're gut as to where your second brain and most people are starting to realize that there are more tools inside of your gut that work just as well as your brain when it comes to giving you information and discernment. So you really do want to trust that gut, that part of you that says something don't feel right or this feels right.

So you pair that with the data and you got a pretty strong force. Yeah, you do. Well, this is something I don't think I've ever talked about on podcasts, but I have a bit of a journalist background as well, although mine was completely by accident. I became an accidental journalist. I had a business where I would go in and do interim roles, and I was hired to become the chief marketing officer for this company called Bold Business. And Bold Business has a digital publication. And before long, I was the associate publisher, but then for about 18 months, I became the editor in chief.

And we were really trying to do a lot of stories about how the future of work, the future of business, which was going to change. And so I can see where you're coming from, from the journalistic sense in that you get to do some pretty creative things when you've got that medium at your disposal. Yeah, I have to say from a journalist perspective, all of the stuff that's happening right now just absolutely drives me crazy. It's just deception and lies and I mean every journalist out there, any trained journalist who's been time and as you have you sit back and you say I never would have done anything like that. I never would have

gotten away with anything close to that even if I would have tried it. But here we are in the midst of really levels of propaganda and deception, and that I've never thought I'd see in my lifetime. It's just stunning, but that is where we are. That is the truth of our moment. So yeah, journalism makes you just cringe, you're, journalism background makes you cringe when you look around and you see the horrible abuses to just the truth, let alone just the journalistic integrity. So it's, it's problematic. Just drive you crazy.

Well, that is definitely the case. Well, I know you've written a number of books, and I thought maybe this might be a good time before we start getting into your predictions for you to tell the audience about a few, and I'll put them in the show notes and put them on our book list as well. Absolutely. Most of my books are all about change in transformation.

That's what I've learned to do is to observe what change in transformation looks like on a personal level and on a scaled level. So my first book was called Seven Steps to Success. I learned from homeless people. I spent 12 years as a volunteer at a homeless shelter in Denver called the Samaritan House. And so it gave me an opportunity to really just observe how homeless people traverse that whole space in crisis and trauma.

And you'd be surprised the things that we can learn from people who had to walk through some of the nastiest things you could ever think of. And then because you can, it was the second book after that. And basically, we chronicled that experience and started testing some of the students that went through my class and the ones that didn't. And we found that the ones that went through my particular class, it was a class that I held when we started a class that was based around the idea of a higher thought, a vision, positivity, some of the basics, and the students of a neuron class were 36% less likely to return to homelessness. So we started realizing, oh my gosh,

we're on to something that if you give people a vision of what the other side of the trauma looks like, they will walk through fire to get to that. And so then I wrote a third book about just the whole experience again, but this was called Think This Not That, that our thinking has an effect upon how we see, how we are able to visualize possibilities that we're being entrained into constantly, there's kind of a dumbing down of our cognitive abilities, of our creative abilities, our visionary abilities. So everything seems darker when you no longer have

those tools to be able to see bigger, better, and broader. So we start developing a negativity about life in general. So think this not that really kind of goes into that and more the tale and more. And then three other books above and beyond all that we know. A second book, a wrote, they came out last year. If we were writing about it before the pandemic started, but we came out with it like in the first, maybe in March or April of last year,

but that book is called You and the New Normal. So we knew that something was going to happen. It was me and my colleague, Dr. Mohammed Bohejji. He was kind of, he's a, he's an epidemiologist and he studies the whole aspect of endemics and such and he was telling me when we used to meet, all these things are going to happen. And then I would say, oh, since I'm a futurist, I should be talking about it. So we wrote a book together about what the new normal would look like once a pandemic would come in and shake things up.

And then the last book is called What a Reimagined Society. Looks like, again, it still follows the path of what change and transformation looks like. Change and transformation happens naturally, but we can intend it as well so that we don't have our visionary and creative self-blot from thinking bigger, better, stronger. And that's what we need to do now. So, yeah.

Well, that's great. And I can't wait to check a few of those out. Now, when I was at full business, talking about the pandemic, similar, it sounds like to what you did about four, four to five years ago, I wrote a pretty lengthy article explaining why it wasn't a matter of if it was a matter of when the pandemic was going to hit because we have become so close to animal species where most of these pandemics originate from that the ability for that to transverse into humans, which is exactly, you know, what we're, I think we're going to find happen with COVID, is very, very easy to do.

And then because of how interconnected we are today with global travel and everything else, the ability for this to just go throughout the world, even like we're seeing with the Delta variant and this new variant that we have, it just spreads so quickly. There's really no way you can contain it unless you're in New Zealand and you can shut down the entire island. And a lot of people are taking make cue as a matter of fact,

especially a lot of well-to-do people are taking make cue. You've heard about the bunkers and such being built on New Zealand. Have you not? I have not. Yes, there's a trend of the very well-to-do are moving to Hawaii or New Zealand and setting up bunkers and you know, a stage so that they can ride out the zombie apocalypse or whatever there. They're thinking that's coming down the road, but New Zealand is definitely, it's in the top three of destinations for the well to do, when it comes to dealing with pandemics and crises and such.

Well, interesting. Now you've peed. And I weekend curiosity of what I'm going to research. Well, something. Well, I don't want to take all our time talking about this. When we've got these amazing 10 predictions that we're going to go through today. So while I turn it over to you and you can start talking about them, we can have a dialogue about them. Absolutely. I want to make sure that everybody understands what a futurist does. A futurist isn't necessarily like a sooth sauer guy with a crystal ball and reading tarot and such. That's

that's not what we do. We really just read the trends and we recognize that trends are decisions. So we're looking if you make this decision, then this will be the outcome of that decision. That's all we're saying. So it's not like, oh, we're going to hold you to those predictions. You need to hold your your fellow citizen to those predictions because the predictions are merely decisions. And again, we can change our minds. So I like to put that preface out there because I think that a lot of people get into the whole idea of, you know, being able, like, somehow I came up with something in the back of my brain. It's not like that for me.

I'm a journalist, so my job is just to say, here are the decisions that you have made. Here would be the outcomes of those decisions based around how these decisions usually work. So let me get into, get into these, the top 10 that I have for 2022, I can truly say that number one on my list with a bullet as a matter of fact is I'm just going to move this just a little bit so I can see. The democracy as we know it is going to continue to be challenged at a level. In fact, in 2022, it's really going to get going

primarily because the people who want the authoritarian kind of government are going to be emboldened, particularly in the elections leading up to the November elections of 2022. There is going to be a definitive challenge to democracy as we know, it's already happening. It's not like it's all of a sudden going to be a definitive challenge to democracy as we know it's already happening. It's not like it's all of a sudden going to rear its ugly head. It is happening. It's happening right now.

It's just that it's going to gain speed in 2022. Your thoughts? What's interesting, just today, I heard that President Biden is getting prepared to address 100 world leaders about the topic of democracy and basically he's walking into it, coming from a democratic country who's democracy is at threat right now.

So when patterns like this happen So, you know, when patterns like this happen, throughout different, you know, experience, experiments, whether it's been communism, socialism, whatever, there comes a time where you're gonna have pressure against the system. And I think that's what we're in the middle of now. And I think a lot of it has to do with societal unrest in some ways unrelated to democracy, but people are becoming so hopeless in many of the aspects of their life

that it's causing us to have this formation of really two camps that are that are forming camps that are that are forming with completely different viewpoints of where to go. And I think for me, you know, what we're really lacking in this country is a strong middle of the ground political party that could bring some of that together. So unless someone steps up and starts filling that role, we're going to continue the cycle, I think, of unrest that we've been experiencing where the two sides can't agree on anything. Yeah, and that's the most infuriating thing about all of this is that obviously, whenever we create these dualities, either this or that up or down, left to right, black or white, male or female, that absolutely limits the possibilities of human creativity and vision.

And so we don't have a vision outside of either democracy. And I say democracy with a small d or authoritarianism. And that's how it's being set up. So there's, we haven't provided room for possibilities of anything else. And what's happening is that the, and people want to say, it's both sides, it's not both sides. It is one particular aspect of our society

that is pushing forward based around what they believe is a truth and those of the authorians. And they are active. They're more energized. They're definitely going to the polls, make no mistake. And they have been trending as more active for a number of years as a matter of fact. So there's definitely, they are definitely going to assert themselves in 2022. That's our prediction. That's not a hard one.

No, well, I mean, I think the other thing that the current administration has got to find worrisome is that, you know, typically you're going to have resentment from the other side or people saying you're not doing a good job. But right now, my numbers are correct. It's between 78 to 82% of Republicans are saying that the administration is doing a terrible job. But even within the party, it's 40%. Yeah, I just saw some for the 48%. So it's, yeah, the Democrats, I'm sorry, don't mean to interrupt,

but yeah, there is a, there's a schism, and I think it's because something that you and I talked about maybe just earlier, that I think our vision of democracy is so limited and it doesn't fit the moment that all you're left with is either a failed democracy or authoritarianism because we haven't been creative enough in order to say, is there more that we can do?

And what you see with what I say, this is just me and my political position, I see the Biden administration really trying to double down on what used to be at the time when we really should be creative and empowering and visionary. And that's what's creating. That's what's fueling the fire behind the authoritarianists. So yes, okay, let's go to the second one. Okay.

Bitcoin is going to become definitely a dominant player in 2022. Bitcoin, those of you who do dabble in Bitcoin investments, I have to tell you, you've been on a roller coaster ride definitely over the past couple of years, especially 2021. But I think you're going to be rewarded in 2022 if you hold steady. in 2022, if you hold steady. Bitcoin is still fairly new when it comes to just how long to hold on to it, but I think there's gonna be a level of stability that's gonna come with Bitcoin and upward graduation,

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in URLs I know can be so difficult to remember,. So we put them in a cleaning place, the show notes for each episode. Please consider those who support us and make the show possible. Now, let's get back to the Passion Struck podcast. Something happened under the Nixon administration that fundamentally changed the monetary system that we live by. And that was up until that time, following World War II, the United States was able to obtain a tremendous amount of gold. And so this concept of the World Bank became reality, and the United States was kind of the governor of that. And the power was that we had all this gold to back up the US dollar, which became the world's currency, until some of the countries started to call our bet on it and wanted their

gold back in exchange. And at that point, the Nixon administration started this experiment that we're now living in, which has, you know, if people would have called his bluff on it, it would have stopped just then, but it's kind of grown into this society where we just keep printing and printing more money at will, not backed against anything. And so I firmly believe in the future, and I don't think it's a future that that's that far away, that we are going to see a new monetary system emerge. I think it's going to be around some form of cryptocurrency. And I think you've got three major players right now in the race.

One is China, one is the United States, and one is the World Bank. And it's, and so I am not so sure it's going to be Bitcoin that prevails. I think Bitcoin was an early representation kind of experiment on could this work. And obviously given there's a finite amount of Bitcoin that is out there, you know, that has some

beauty to it. And the fact of how secure the ledger is, I think people should start looking at some other currencies that are out there. I look at, in particularly, XRP, XLM, and another one, I think it's XTC, but they're basically gold, silver, and copper. And they're in much more sophisticated design underneath them than the others. XRP and XLM are currently under right now scrutiny and a lawsuit brought on by, you know, I think the US Treasury,

who thus far has not only lost, but has had their, basically, stuff handed to them because the argument has been so weak. So I would say yes, I am not personally putting my money into Bitcoin. I'm putting it more into other coins because I think if you're looking at this and the market really takes off, because I think if you're looking at this and the market really takes off, you're going to have a bigger opportunity to make huge gains in some of these sub-currencies than you will on a Bitcoin. Now, to me, the one area that I'm really trying to learn more about is NFTs, which on the surface, I just don't get how a digital art can be that valuable.

I in fact, because of the fact that and maybe I need to do more homework on it. But because of what I know, I know just enough to be dangerous, but I got to tell you, it makes no sense to me whatsoever. But apparently, I mean, fiat currency doesn't make any sense if you think about it. So I guess if everybody agrees on it, it has value, right? So NFTs are definitely going to continue to increase in value and popularity. I, it wouldn't be something that I would put money behind,

but they are definitely going to continue to catch on. And let me substitute my term there. I use the term Bitcoin, but let me say cryptocurrency. That's a much more broader and term that definitely encompasses a lot of what you said. And I know. Well, I just can't understand right now the popularity of people paying half a million dollars

for a digital image of a different form of a monkey. And where the value is at, but I mean, that's why I'm studying it because I think I want to enter into it, but I don't understand the dynamics of it enough. You know, I think one of the best persons you can listen to on this is probably Tom Billeu or Michael Saylor. Yeah, those are probably two of the best voices I've heard out there. Sure.

Yes. All right. And number three, here's definitely again, this is kind of a low hanging fruit, but I can tell you for sure, I already see some things that are going to happen. There will be several climate emergency events that will make the world take notice even more. That does not guarantee that we're going to be more active in doing something about climate crisis.

That's the challenge. I mean, that's the real problem. And that's the sad part of all of this is that there will be constant reminders of how fragile the entire ecosystem is and how climate change is not an environmental thing because if people tend to talk about oh the environment No, it is about the quality of life all of us lead and There will be several major emergencies that will happen throughout 2022. I already know what they, what they appear to be and hold in those cards a little close to the

vest right now, but I can tell you that the foundation for crises are already there. It's just all it needs is a little climate nudge and 2022 is going to be messy. That's all I can say. What do you think? Well, you're sitting there today and we're at Denver. Denver, Colorado. Yes. And wasn't there a portion of this year earlier where you can go outside your house because the smoke was so bad that you were ordered to stay inside due to health reasons?

We were worse than New Delhi. And that's's saying something. Yeah, it's crazy. In fact, today, it was the first snowfall for the season. That's seven, eight weeks after what we usually do. We're already in drought this year. And that major because the Colorado River, which supplies water for five different states,

is drying up as well. And then you don't have the mountain, snowpack. I would not, I'll just say this, God bless you all, live in Vegas and Phoenix. But you need to recognize that the water table and the water schedule have been in jeopardy for years and climate crisis is only exasperating that entire problem. Yeah, I remember a decade ago when I lived in Austin and the way that the lake system works in Austin is you've got like-travis that feeds into Lake Austin and Lake Austin is a constant level lake. But they had made deals with the rice farmers downstream. And so when I was there, Lake Travis got so dry that I had friends who lived on Lake Travis whose boats were sitting on ground,

who couldn't even see the water because it was so far away from their houses. So part of me is like we've got the worst fires we've ever had. We've had more hurricanes than we've ever had, more cyclones than we've ever had, more impactful tornadoes than we've ever had. And it's just like what is it going to take for people to realize, you know, the Dead Sea is drying up. Yes. But I think it comes back to something you brought up earlier on and the real reason we're not dealing with it has to do with, if you follow the money, if you follow the

power, etc. And I think one of the most telling TV series that I've seen recently was sea spheracy, which I'm not sure if you've seen, but basically what they're concluding is that a big issue around global warming is that the fish that take the carbon dioxide out of the water are being depleted because of commercial fishermen and accidental catch. And it's happening at such a rapid rate that it's because of that cycle and those fish disappearing that we're losing in many ways the coral reefs because the whole ecosystem is being broken down. And they did this undercover examination where the legislative bodies that are supposed to be looking at how much plastic is entering the ocean, what type of fish are we

catching, how humanely are we doing it, are lobbyist groups from the fishing industry? You're right. And I think if you look at other parts of this whole climate dynamic, you will probably find the same type of linkages. So yeah, I'm absolutely sure of it. I just took a, finished my, a class that I did, I took half a year class at Cambridge University

on the circular economy. And basically, they're trying to push the circular economy because one big thing they recognize that whatever economy that we have established for the past few hundred years is absolutely unsustainable. This economy eats its young. It's just unsustainable and everybody knows it, but because we haven't provided a alternative. And the lack of imagination really on the part of us as citizens, we just, it's almost like we're on a death watch. And I don't mean to be sad and morose, and this interview, I want to talk about the affirmative,

but it is important for us to recognize that whatever we're doing right now is unsustainable. And they know it, and it hasn't been that way, it hasn't been sustainable actually since its inception. It's just now we're reaping the world wind of that unsustainability. And it's those chickens have come home to roost, which is unfortunate. Well, I mean, you could apply the same logic in many Western cultures to the decline of the

middle class that we're seeing and the spatial inequality that's resulting in its wake. and racial inequality that's resulting in its wake. Okay, let's go to the next one. Yeah, the next one. I know this is a very sensitive one and those of you who are on political positions. God bless you. This is, we're not trying to make it a political one. We're just letting you know, this is what we're seeing.

At least this is what I'm seeing. Roe v Wade will definitely be overturned and there will be civil unrest behind it in 2022. If not completely overturned it will definitely be gutted. And the symbolic nature of gutting Roe v Wade or abolishing it is more to me from a futurist perspective. That's more important to me than, you know, what how people feel about it one way or another because the civil unrest part demonstrates that people are at this place, this breaking point,

about the rollback of, excuse me, rights and established law and all of these things that have been there for a while, you're seeing them repealed now through this authoritarian attempt. And again, people are going to say, oh, you're tying that with authoritarianism. What I'm tying together is that when people are under distress and they see anything push back against such as voter rights and suppression and those kinds of things,

they're gonna tie Roe B. Wade in with that and say, although this is happening at the same time, we're being bulldozed. And then you'll see some people in the streets. That's what I'm predicting for 2022, for sure. What do you think? Well, I had hoped the Supreme Court wouldn't take it up because of the huge divides

we already have, intention in this country. And for me me philosophically, I was raised in a very Catholic family, where I was taught all the way through Perkyl School and Catholic High School, about the evils of abortion. But as I have entered adulthood now for several decades, you know, ultimately I think that there is this freedom of choice that is what really defines us from all other

creatures that are on this planet is everything that humans do is a choice. To me, setting something at six weeks seems completely illogical because, in many cases, someone might not even know that they're pregnant at that point. But I am definitely a believer that I don't believe in abortions and like the third trimester, because at that point, I think you've got a fully formed human. because at that point I think you've got a fully formed human. So I don't know how to predict where this one is going to go, but definitely either way it lands, you're going to have the opposite side upset.

Yeah, the social unrest behind it, which is the point that I really want to make, is that it serves as a tip of the spear of a watershed, concerning just basic rights. They're going to tile these things in with the new authoritarian move and say, and there will be people in the streets about it. More so, even then, the racial reckoning

that was happening after George Floyd, there will be more, I believe, on the streets about Roe versus Wade and the overturning of that than there will be around the racial reckoning. That's, you heard it from me. If it doesn't occur, it's not like, you know, it's hard to predict, but I just believe that there are breaking points inside of social constructs and that to me, Robe Wade is one of them. So, after that, I am definitely picking that there will be a winter, it's already taking place now, the Omicron, but there will be a winter COVID wave and a late spring COVID wave, kind of like last year. We're starting to see this now. This is how it goes. It starts up, it shoots up

two to three months, it's at peak, and then it drops down. And then there's a valley where it seems like, oh, we're, we finally mastered this thing. The masks and the vaccines are working, but give it just another month or two. And then you're going to see it. I just, I was just looking at the data and they were showing the waves. It's like this because the variant has that kind of life cycle or the, the virus has that kind of life cycle and the variants are an extension of the life cycle. People think like the variant are like, oh, it's a freak. It just appeared out of the blue, but that's not how life works. Life just finds a way and remember now

that the virus is a life form. It just finds a way. And we've found that this life cycle is down two months up to three months, down to months, up to the three months. So there will definitely be, they aren't on the cron wave and then there'll be another one that will come in late spring. Well, the thing I'm most careful of is,

if you're looking at research that's coming out of South Africa right now and branded granted their studies a little bit different than the one coming out of Germany and some other areas because in South Africa they based it off of getting two immunizations. that the current vaccine was 40 times less effective. Yes. And researchers are saying that they have never seen something like this mutate to a form where the efficacy of a vaccine that man has created has dropped so much in such a short period of time. So my biggest worry is, we've rushed to develop these vaccines. We're using new mechanisms to at least produce two of them that we've never used before. Don't know the long-term impact of.

But ultimately, it's not like something like AIDS or smallpox or other things that you've had a tremendous amount of time to study. They're having to make these decisions in real time. And, you know, when we have It's, of course, the virus is going to start mutating. And my concern is the rate of mutations and how far that mutation could go. And who knows? I'm not a medical professional at all, but yeah, I don't think we're out of the woods yet. professional of all, but yeah, I don't think we're out of wood yet. No, we're not. As a matter of fact, I don't want to comment on the rate of mutation because of the fact that I don't know enough about it. I do know the cycle that has been established so far.

And if that cycle continues and the rate of mutation, and again, I'm like you, I know just not to be dangerous about what the citation process is. Eventually, there will be a mutant variant that will evade all vaccine ability to corral it in, and then we'll have to get another, they'll have to develop another version of the vaccine. And how long can you keep up that cycle? That becomes the real challenge.

So we are in a very challenging time, but there I do believe that there is hope. So let's continue on with the other predictions. Let me go to this one. There was a victory. I think a lot of people may have heard of it, maybe not, but there was a victory in Upper State, New York, and can they get the exact city now?

Where Starbucks unionized, at least one of the stores unionized, that was pretty amazing. So what we're seeing and what I'm suggesting on in 2022 is that you will see a rash of attempts to unionize. And many of them will be successful. A lot of them will not, but there will be many organizations seeking to take advantage of the great resignation. And people need to understand this.

The reason why unions are gaining their level of strength now is really because of four reasons. People that talk about the great resignation, primarily, excuse me, that resignation is in the middle to lower class service job. So it's not like if you're looking out into your office and seeing people,

why do color workers run away from their jobs? They're not, they're so getting paid. It's the people who basically keep the economy going, the service workers. They're the ones that are doing the resignations where I'm saying, I'm not getting paid enough, this is crazy. So the great resignation is happening.

They're re-evaluating what they should be doing. And then you have the population bust. Most people may not have heard about this, but we're no longer in a population boom, we're in a population bust. That means we have fewer people actually able to fill jobs. Then we have a mess of an immigration process, which means we can't even get people in that possibly could fill in those jobs, not effectively. It's just a mess all over

the around. We haven't done immigration reform. And then you have an older population that's just older. A lot of people are retiring. The baby boomers are like, I'm done. I'm out. This is nuts. retiring. The baby boomers are like, I'm done, I'm out. This is nuts. So you have a shrinking population that you can draw from that even Amazon had to go back and say, we're going to raise rates. We're going to get people more money. And that's not their style. So there will be the unionization process will happen because employees are going to figure it out. They are figuring it out. We have more power now than we've ever had since the Industrial Revolution. We need to lean into it and take advantage of it. So I see 2022 being the year of the employee,

for sure. Well, I think things are definitely shifting, no doubt about it. I had the are definitely shifting, no doubt about it. I had the opportunity of having a firsthand experience at this because I worked for Lowe's as a senior executive for six years and I can tell you for any major retailer it is a board topic at every board meeting, the threat of potential unionization because it can cripple the whole labor elasticity model that these retailers have. And so if this is a potential way of opening the door, there's attempts to unionize all the time. And they typically try to find some place to start it, you know, at lows, it was around the distribution center. At Walmart, I think it was around the collection of stores, you know, at Starbucks, it's this. But I will tell you, we started to trend probably 25 years ago.

I'm just guessing it was around that time frame where we started to outsource jobs. And I just want to take one common area. There are so many leaders today who are baby boomers or even my generation who got their start in customer service. And because you get good at understanding the customer, those who were very good at it were promoted into sales jobs or operations jobs or other things, but the starting point was typically, you know, working these customer care types of positions, because you could see people who really excelled at it. And now that we've gutted probably 85% to 90% just in that one area, I'm not even gonna touch manufacturing, other things. We have completely cut out that breeding ground

where young people can learn and make mistakes and grow and have a learning opportunity because there's no better way that you're going to understand a company than by having to stand behind the products that it sells. Yeah. And so this is where I get to this dwindling, you know, information age brought on by the Fourth Industrial Revolution coupled with outsourcing, coupled with this whole thing about entitlement and self, you know, the need for, you know, the self to feel important, I think is causing a tremendous amount of this unrest,

and it's only going to increase. And I think people are going to try to look for the safety of something like a union where it's much easier for them to hold onto their job than it to get outsourced. Just my two cents. Yeah, no, the outsourcing you're right, about 25. Honestly, I can trace everything when it comes to employee, when employees wages got stuck, when we started having these other problems and the outsourcing of jobs.

Honestly, most people don't know this when they think about when the outsourcing of jobs happen, they think that it was primarily because of China and Mexico and those places. But the reality is that a good portion of those jobs disappear because of automation. In fact, 80% of the really the working jobs were the, disappeared because of automation. People were talking about the robots are coming for your job. The robots have already been here, particularly since about 1980.

There's something, there's a watershed moment with the Reagan administration on so many different levels, but definitely when it came to automata, automata automata automating jobs, sorry about that. And the whole aspect of outsourcing, the whole neoliberal model, getting the jobs out, you could save money, and obviously you could take care of your stockholders. Well, I have to chime in here because this is like at the cornerstone

from one of the reasons passion struck is in existence. And that is because of this very area, you know, if you look right now, there are a billion full-time workers across the globe. Between 7, 8, 8, 5 percent, I'm already disengaged and loathed their jobs. engaged and loath their jobs. If you look at the trends from things like robotics, AI, automation, there are studies that show anywhere between 450 million and 750 million of those full-time jobs are going to be displaced over the next 20 years, which leads me to people are going to have to re-educate themselves and re-skill set themselves. And I think, you know, just like during the industrial age and even before that how we had blacksmiths and how we had specialists, I think we're going to get much more into that

economy where people are solo-priners, but people aren't trained, nor is our education system, or our government system, or our big institution system, doing anything to retrain them all. And I think that whole gap is a huge thing that's upon us right now. And why I actually found a passion-struck to try to find a systematic way to start helping people think through it. That's funny. Okay, so you and I definitely are contemporaries because I founded my company, UBR, Universal Basic Resources

based around the idea that exactly what you said that all these people be displaced. So we have to reimagine how societies work. And one of the things that people kept talking about was universal basic income as a way of being able to put that groundwork, that foundation for people, and then being able to train them up in the way of innovation, creativity.

All of the UBI universal basic income projects that I saw that came out, particularly out of Kenya, Sierra Leone, and some places in South America, is that once people had a guaranteed income that they wouldn't fall through the cracks and they would be displaced, they became more creative, more innovative.

They became more entrepreneurial. They, instead of one fishing boat, they bought another one because they knew that they could, they, they now didn't have to scramble the pay bills. And I kept thinking to myself, that's where we need to go at least to create a space. And these are people who are not trained entrepreneurs. They were just entrepreneurs,

but because they had to in order to make a living. But once they had some basic foundation, they were able to really expand and that that Kenyan study was just amazing and how it empowered a community when you had a stable income inside of the people just two or three families with a stable income. No questions asked. Had that money. That money multiplied about 20 times over inside of that community because there was a stability. People had the money to give. The community became just two or three families inside of an entire community. Can you imagine that? So that's, it was stunning. And I had to look over the numbers

and they kept talking about it. So there are ways of being able to create a new kind of economy, but our lack of imagination is really at the root of it and not at the root, but it's one of the pillars that's keeping us stuck along with organizations and companies saying, we're gonna milk this cow until it falls over. And let the society be damned.

It's all about shareholder value. And you cannot, that's just insane when you have a house that's burning and you're reshuffling the deck chairs on the Titanic. That, it makes no sense, but we've been doing it for so long. We think it's normal, but it's really, it's not healthy on multiple levels. So anyway, let me get to the other predictions. Yeah, I'm going to let you run through some of these given our time.

I feel like I'm gonna comment, I will, but I'll let you go through them. Absolutely, let me just run through the last few here. Geo engineering projects will be front and center. Next year, you're gonna hear a lot about Geo engineering with the oceans, with the sun. you're a lot about geoengineering with the oceans, with the sun. I think that those tests are premature and dubious at best,

but that's just one man's view. I know we have to try some things for sure, but geoengineering is definitely going to be on everybody's lips come next year. We're going to blow past our ability to limit temperatures to two degrees Celsius. And that's because we've already made a decision to increase our oil, manufacturing and use and coal use just this year because of the lack of supplies that occur to

curse apparently according to the pandemic. I'm not sure if I buy that story, but we've actually increased our oil output and our use of coal just in 2021. Dets of despair will skyrocket next year. I think that because there's this lack of a conversation of something bigger and more profound, people are just going to just get to the place where it's just gonna be tough for a lot of people.

It's already tough for people, but it's becoming tougher. And then finally, and can I just touch on that? I just wanna make a comment and that is, yes, please. You know, I've had two or three good friends over the past five years take their own lives and I you know I did a episode on this earlier in the year with a

friend of mine who's prior primary but just in the United States alone you know we often talk about the veterans suicide rate which is is high you know know, between 19 to 21, 22 a day. And I will just tell you, if you look at the past 20 years, there were, you know, 51, 5200 people who lost their lives in combat. There were close to 175,000 people who took their own lives. But last year alone, based on the latest statistics that were put out, and this was before the pandemic, there were 46,000 suicides in the United States and over 800,000 worldwide. And the trend is only growing. So to me, it all comes back to this whole thing that we're talking about, that more and

more people are feeling hopeless about what's happening in the world and their situation. So I would just say if there's anyone who's out there who's feeling that way, give me a call. Yeah, you know, find someone who can help you because there is another way. There is another way. I can say this, I went through a bit of some depression years ago and I can remember being in that moment thinking, there is no way out of this. And fortunately, I had some colleagues and a therapist who really kept all they did was just remind me, yes, there is. They didn't try to fill in the gap. They just, in a sense, they held the space. They just said, yes, there's another way. You just haven't discovered it yet. We want to be able to hold that space for you so that you will discover that it's there. It's hard to see right now when it's really dark, when you look around and you see some of the

darkness, but it's there. Trust me. Trust me on this. The way out is there. It's just our job really as futurists is to help you to see the unseen so that you can develop that imagination that leads to the way out. It's and again, I use my own personal experience. There is a way out. If you just, yeah, and I'm going to just throw one other thing in here earlier in the year we had Dr. Michael Lewis on the podcast. He was put in a position for seven years

by the US government of analyzing why traumatic brain injuries kept happening and why they kept getting worse. And he found the corollary between them and people who committed suicide and they were both extremely low on high quality omega-3s. So a way if you were depressed or if someone is feeling this way that you can self-medicate yourself is by finding high quality omega-3s and doing mega doses of them. I will just throw it out there. Good to know. Thank you. And then my final prediction, this

is a little more vague than the other ones, but I think it's appropriate. Everything that I'm seeing says that there's room for something really socially relevant to emerge. I don't know what that is, but I definitely see there's a vacuum that exists in our society here in the States and really around the world, but it's a social vacuum and something or someone is going to try to fill it. And there's a space for it to take place. However way that's going to be filled,

it could be messy, it could be quite neat, It could be the best thing that ever happened to us. But there is something that's going to happen in 2022 that will be socially relevant and it will emerge and it will help to fill a vacuum. I just don't know what that is right now. So those are my predictions. Which, thank you for sharing all those. If a person who's listening would like to learn more about you or

getting contact with you, how can they do that? And I'll make sure it's in the show notes. Please. So one of the ways that we're fighting some of the hopelessness that's going on out there is provided what we call the UBR, excuse me, the universal basic resources master class. And forgive me for waving like this, I have a plant that my wife put into the room and it has fleas or flies or whatever it is. And it's just been bothering forgive the people if you see me waving.

I'm waving at you too, but it's just there just everywhere. It's crazy. So again, our way of being able to help people deal with the hopelessness and the challenge of the moment is to meet the moment with an ongoing online class called the UBR Master Class. We have fantastic teachers that deal with change, trend analysis, the circular economy, health and well-being, and just leadership from a different perspective, something that's more appropriate for this moment. And you can find all the information about me

and the masterclass at universalbasicresources.com, that's universalbasicresources1word.com. And that's where we live. And honestly, John, my mission is to recognizing that this moment, I'm like you, we recognize the moment, we recognize that we have to do something in order to empower people and be able to provide levels of hope and give them the tools so that they can navigate the next few years.

The next few years will be absolutely critical. So I'm going to do everything with my power. That's the calling that's been put upon my heart. And so it's coming from the heart. Because we again, those of us who know that the critical nature of this moment, know that we have to come clear and true and tangibly and it has to make sense and it has to do it in a hurry. So. Well, it's interesting.

And I think you'll share this view that I do. I happen to know quite a few astronauts. I've had three on the show. Hopefully, I'm going to have a fourth coming up here soon. But every time you talk to one of them, they reference the overview effect, which is once they go up into space, they come back realizing that the way they viewed the world was completely wrong and into an isolated lens,

and it's really all a huge system, and we're all in this system together. And so, one of the biggest things that we're trying to do with this podcast and with the Passion Start movement is to get people from a self-centric view to a world-centric view, because we need more people who are solving novel problems that positively impact the society of the future. And Lord knows we've got enough of them. that positively impact the society of the future.

And Lord knows we've got enough of them. But it takes people living to their fullest in order to do that, but it all starts with something original. Because if you copy what someone else is doing, that's all you're ever going to be is a copy. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So I have.

I have one last thing if I can. I'll leave with this if I may. This is, uh, I got four more questions for you. There's a quick one. I can go ahead and then, and then, I'll get today. Okay, let's do the four questions. Sure. I've so, okay. Well, I, I always end with, you know, just first thing that comes up to your mind. So I, I think this one will be interesting coming from you. If there was someone that you can meet who you've never met, whether they're deceased or alive today, who would it be?

It would be Malcolm X. I, after reading more about his life, I recognized that he was doing transitional, personal transition in real time, right before all of us. And I kept thinking to myself, if we were all that naked with our personal transition, I think the world would be different because we would be able to say,

hey, I used to believe this, now I believe this. I used to believe this, now I believe this, as opposed to holding on to ideas that made no sense until forever. And I saw that, and I once I read this autobiography, I realized he was in transition. A lot of the times, but he was not afraid of that. So I want to be that kind of person

of being able to be open and to be transformative and to be just, I want to be an example that you can transform in real time and it's okay, it's a good thing. So I want to meet him and talk to him about that. Okay. You know, I know Elon Musk is trying to save humanity from itself by Elon Musk is trying to save humanity from itself by finding a way to get us to Mars. So if you were one of the first people he selected to go to Mars and he said, you can set up any law that you want, but you only get one. What would it be? I would say I'd set up the law that we cannot leave to go to Mars until we saw the problems here on earth.

So I would banish the entire to Mars program until we get this earth stuff settled because wherever we go, there we are. We don't settle it here. What makes us think that we're going to somehow get it fixed on Mars? We be just bringing the same disease there. So I would that would be my first law banished the two Mars program and fix the stuff you're on. Okay and if you were invited on the late late show and you got to do some car What would be the song that you would send? Oh, man, you got me on this one.

I think I would sing. There's an old earthwind and fire song called Keep Your Head to the Sky. It's very optimistic and it's inspiring. And I would want to sing that one. I feel a Bailey does a beautiful polsetto. I don't know if I'd be able to sing that one. I feel that Bailey does a beautiful full set, oh, I don't know if I'd be able to achieve that full set, but I'd give it my best because I love the lyrics of the song. It's extremely inspiring and empowering. Okay, and then the last question is,

what does a futurist read? So if you were going to recommend a book to the audience, what would it be? Wow, I can tell you this. A futurist reads everything, everything, because we recognize that you get a composite of where everything is going. But by reading everything, that means I read both, I read teen, I read the Denver, the Denver Post has a paper here. I read Fortune. I read Black Enterprise. I read, um, I named this stuff that I don't read. That'd be a smaller list, but I read absolutely everything. If I spend at least three hours a day just reading, just to get a feel where things are going. But if I had to recommend something, I would say, read my first

book, seven steps to success online from homeless people. That's a good book about personal transition and transformation. Okay, well, great. Well, did you want to conclude on your earlier thought or Okay, well, great. Well, did you wanna conclude on your earlier thought? Or? Yeah, let me just make it real quick. There is something called a cardi-chef scale. Are you familiar with that? I don't think so.

Okay, there is this paradox that exists. People say, oh, the universe is teaming with other civilizations all around millions upon billions, hundreds of millions of civilizations are out there because we have hundreds of billions of planets and stars. And so there's this French astronomer by the name of what is the name, Enrico Fermi. And he said, well, if that's the case, where are the aliens?

We don't see them. They're nowhere. And then a Russian physicist came back and he says, ah are the aliens? We don't see them. They're nowhere. And then a Russian physicist came back and he says, ah, the reason why you don't see them, that's by the way, that's called the Fermi Paradox. In case you hear it, then the Russian physicist, Kardashev came in and he says, the reason why you don't see them

is because they never reach what they call a type one civilization. And he explained that the type one civilization, the only way that you can get to that type one civilization is when the civilization is in the middle of crisis. When all hell breaks loose for civilization, overall global civilization, stratification, authoritarianism, pollution, divisiveness. In that moment,

a civilization must decide what it wants to be when it grows up. He says a lot of civilizations don't make it. They get to this point, they collapse under their own weight, they get destroyed, and all we see are relics. We are in that point right now. Now, we might have been at this point before. This could be Groundhog Day for us. But there is an opportunity for us to finally become a type one civilization and escape this feedback loop where we're constantly cycling around, doing the same thing over and over again,

getting greedy, jealous, bitter, racist, sexist, and then we just collapse under our own weight, but there's a moment where there will be people like you, John, and others that will arrive at the right time and help the entire civilization transform, then we become type one, then we become something else. So what's happening right now, I want to remind everybody that we are being asked, what do we want to be when we grow up? We might make the trip,

I'm believing that we will, because of people like John that exists, and there are others all around the world, but we are definitely at the moment of we're standing at the abyss and we are being challenged to become something else. And my hope and my prayers are that we will become that something else.

Okay, well let's end it on that. Chad, thank you so much. I know we threw this one together quickly. It's gonna air right before the end of the year and I, you know, I think the time is great. So thank you so much for coming on today's show. Thank you. It is about pleasure. Thank you for having me. What a fun interview that was with Chek Says. And I also wanted to highlight some other recent episodes that we've done throughout the month of December in case you missed them. Earlier, we had Jessica Foltz on who at 15 years old found out that she had MS. And she talks about how she is now thriving because of her change in diet and how big an impact that has had on her well-being and could on yours as well. We had Nathalie Lamunden-Thomas who talks about

how to be your best self and succeed in life. We also had on Christina Sparks, the CEO and founder of Seldaunee Active Wear, and her story of why she discovered that brand and how she has turned her passion for giving into a business. And lastly, we had on Christina Hujold-Gensen, who discusses how you transition

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