Passion Struck with John R. Miles - Kate Gilman Williams on Why Advocacy has No Age Limits and Anyone Can Make a Difference EP 126

Episode Date: April 20, 2022

Kate Gilman Williams — How kids can save animals, why advocacy has no age limit and anyone can make a difference. | Brought to you by Trade Coffee (https://drinktrade.com/passionstruck). Kate is the Founder of Kids Can Save Animals, Founder of Club 15 – an extension of Project 15 from Microsoft, and Author! She launched Kids Can Save Animals to connect her generation with world-renowned conservation organizations, technologists, policymakers, and global leaders who work to save wildlife and wild spaces. Her goal is to save endangered animals. Born Free USA Kate was recently named the first Youth Ambassador for Born Free USA. In her role, Kate will speak to her generation about the exploitation and suffering of animals living in captivity, educate kids and teens that animals being used for any kind of human entertainment is wrong, what the illegal pet trade is, and how we all can help end the wildlife trade and trophy hunting. Let's Go On Safari At age 8, Kate authored the book Let’s Go On Safari! which takes readers on a safari adventure and encourages children to speak up for animals who don’t have a voice.  All sales from the book support the Jane Goodall Institute, The Sheldrick Wildlife Trust, and Re:Wild.  So far, her book has raised over $15,000 for her conservation partners. When Penguin Random House in South Africa picked up Let’s Go On Safari! Kate became the youngest author in history to sign two publishing contracts resulting in a global title release. In the Summer of 2021, Kate partnered with Jenn Hartmann Luck, Austin-based singer, and songwriter, to produce a song “Kids Can Save Animals.” With each download, 15% supports Re:Wild where Leonardo DiCaprio is the founding board member. Enjoy Thank you to our sponsor Trade Coffee Company Elevate your coffee ritual w/ sustainably sourced coffee delivered fresh from 50+ roasters. 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Time Stamps 0:00 Announcements and Guest Introduction 3:56 How Kate Gilman Williams became an advocate for animals 5:31 The youngest published author in history 6:25 Why the cheetah is an endangered species 7:51 Why an elephant is killed every 15 minutes 9:23 Favorite Club 15 podcast interview guests 10:01 How technology is saving animals 11:47 Kate discusses her new song "Kids Can Save Animals" 13:15 Why Microsoft is supporting animal advocacy 15:09 Kate's interest in saving ocean life 16:32 Lessons learned from podcasting 17:00 Why anyone can make a difference in the world 18:01 Why finding a mentor is important 18:45 Advocacy has no age limit 19:02 How kids can become leaders in their community 20:33 In 10 years we can lose all elephants on the planet 21:29 The northern white rhino preservation 22:18 Born Free USA and quarters for Koalas 23:42 If something is important you will pursue it 25:46 The future of Club 15 26:17 Greta Thunberg 29:18 Wrap up Follow Kate Gilman Williams * Website: https://kidscansaveanimals.com/ * Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kidscansaveanimals/ * Twitter: https://twitter.com/kidssaveanimals * Born Free USA: https://www.bornfreeusa.org    Follow John on the Socials: * Twitter: https://twitter.com/Milesjohnr * Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/johnrmiles.c0m * Medium: https://medium.com/@JohnRMiles ​* Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/john_r_miles * LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/milesjohn/ * Blog: https://passionstruck.com/blog/ * Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/passion_struck_podcast/ * Gear: https://www.zazzle.com/store/passion_struck/ -- John R Miles is a serial entrepreneur and the CEO and founder of Passion Struck. 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Hello everyone, and welcome back to this special bonus interview of Passion Struck. And thank you to each and every one of you who comes back weekly to listen and learn, to live better, be better, and impact the world. And in case you missed it, my interview this week featured Rob Greenley, who is a podcast pioneer, was actually indoctrinated into the podcast hall of fame and is the current chairperson of the

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Kate Gilman-Williams is ayear-old animal advocate, author, and founder of Kids Can Save Animals and Club 15. She launched Kids Can Save Animals to connect her generation with world-renowned conservation organizations, technologists, policymakers, and global leaders who work to save wildlife and wild spaces. Through her passion for wildlife conservation and pension for education, Kate is focused on teaching and inspiring kids and teens on how to take action and become part of the global solution and the benefits of helping animals proving that advocacy has no age limit. Kate has garnered support in official endorsements from celebrity activists and conservation icons,

including Deborah Messing, Ellen Pompeo, Chelsea Clinton, Ryan Seacrest, and Dr. Jane Goodall. And today we discuss how she became interested in wildlife conservation through a safari adventure she went on when she was eight years old. How, through that safari experience, it led to her publishing her first book, the importance of mentors along her journey and her advice to finding a mentor. We discuss how she was able to recruit sponsors to help support her business and podcasts and also her favorite guests on the podcast. Kate goes into some of the most endangered animals

and why they need to be protected. And we discuss why anyone, regardless of their age, can be an advocate for something that they are passionate about and how young people can be leaders in their community. Thank you for choosing Passion Struck and choosing me to be your host and guide on your journey to creating an intentional life. Now, let that journey begin.

I am very excited to welcome today's guest, the youngest one we've ever had on the podcast. Kate, Dillman, Williams. Welcome, Kate. I thank you so much for having me. Well, when your PR agency reached out to me, I was a little bit shocked because I've never interviewed someone who isn't an adult. When I heard your story, you remind me so much of my daughter, Olivia. She volunteered

at Boydhill Nature Center, which we have here in St. Petersburg, Florida, and they have a huge bird sanctuary where she took care of screech owls as well as some wild chickens and other things that they had, but was a huge advocate for wildlife preservation. So I thought I would just give the audience that backdrop because knowing my daughter's passion for it, I kind of wanted to understand how you developed a passion for it. Yes, so I first fell in love with animals when I was seven years old, and I went on my first ever safari, and I met my game driver named Michelle, and she taught me everything I know about animals,

and she also told me that humans are killing animals, and I wanted to do something to help. So I ended up writing a book called Let's Go On Safari. It's now available globally in all sales support and credible organizations. But yeah, I started my love when I was seven years old and now I'm 12. Well, I was pretty amazed that one of the publishers I wish would publish my book, Penguin, actually found your book.

And I think you have got to be one of the youngest authors they've probably ever signed up. Yes, I'm actually the youngest author in history. You do have two publishing contracts because my first publisher was a small publisher that focused on kids and animals and after it had been published, ping-pong, a random house reached out to me, and then they ended up publishing it globally. And who was your target audience for the book? I would say it definitely goes to different ages, because since I started on when I was seven years old, maybe starting there and going up probably until high school.

Well, I have never been on a safari, and going up probably until high school. Well, I have never been on a safari, but my mom for over 20 years was the head of events for the Tennessee Aquarium and she used to get to go on these great adventures because she would take members of the Aquarium with her. And so she's been on a number of safaris herself. But what was some of the most amazing things that you remembered from that safari? Probably seeing a cheetah. Cheetahs are actually one of my favorite animals. One of the reasons why I put them on the front cover of my book. There are only 7,100 of them and left in the wild. So it's really important that we keep monitoring them

and taking care of them. But one of my great memories is in Africa, it was I had never seen a Cheetah before and I really wanted to see one. And Michelle had tracked one down and we were going to see it. And I didn't know where we were going. She just said that we had a surprise.

And then we got there and there was this incredible mom Cheetah chirping for her cubs. And it was just an incredible sight because I had never seen a Cheetah out in the wild in the Snatcher Habitat. And it was insane. And it was something I'm never gonna forget. Oh, that's really cool.

Did you get to see any lions or tigers while you were there? Yes. So we saw lots of different lions and a few leopards. Those are the other big cats that live in Africa. So yes. Okay, well that's great. Well, I have heard you are very passionate about elephants. And I was lucky at one point when I was visiting India

that I got to ride an elephant a few times and there's just such a majestic animal and it's so sad to hear what's happened to them unnecessarily and I know this is a big area of concern for you so I thought maybe you could educate the audience about why? Yes, so elephants are definitely one of my favorite animals, every 15 minutes in elephants kill for its tusks. And that's something I'm really working with with my new partnership born for USA.

We're trying to get these elephants out of different zoos because they may look like they're in a happy place, but they're really not. They're behind iron bars and It's important that we know where we're going in zoos or and something that I definitely believe is like don't write an elephant don't swim with a dolphin You know but before you go to a zoo make sure it's a place that they don't harm their animals So that's something I've been working on that definitely includes elephants.

But another project that I've done is called Club 15, named so because every 15 minutes an elephant is skilled for its tusks. It's a podcast where I talk to different scientists and experts about what they're doing to save wildlife and mold spaces and how we can join them. Yeah, well, that's great. What are some of your favorite episodes and people who've been on that podcast? I'd say my favorite technologist that has ever been on Club 15 is Fatima Hamdani. She builds drones that go longer and faster and higher than any drones ever before.

And she uses them to wonder if vast areas and Africa or poaching occurs. And I would say my favorite animal advocate that I've interviewed is Virginia McKenna. She's the founder of the Born Free Foundation. She is 91 years old, I think, and has been doing this her whole entire life, and she is really inspiring. Well, I have another good story you would probably like.

A couple of weeks ago, I had a friend of my podcast. His name is Rare Admiral Tim Gallaudet, and he was the administrator for an organization called NOAA, which monitors fish and wildlife across the United States. And while he was the administrator, he actually put two programs into place to monitor the way people were fishing in US waters and to make sure that they were doing it properly. And in one, they use drone submersibles. And in another, they use drone technology to do it. And this drone technology has actually benefited fishermen who at first thought it was gonna be a deterrent, but they were able to see where fish were less dense

and where they were overpopulated. And so they were able to more, I guess, more correctly tell the fishermen where they should go so they weren't poaching fish that could potentially be into climb. So I found that very interesting. Yeah, that's really cool. That's simply something we're really trying to do

with Club 15 is showing that, you know, technology can save animals. And you can really, in the Club 15 is showing that you know technology can save animals and you can really in the Club 15 you can go and learn how to code you can go and make a little camera and learn how they work because right now cameras are really saving animals by getting to see the land and stopping poachers before they get to the animal. So that's really cool and it's great how technology can be helping us out with things like that. Well as I was researching you, I couldn't believe that almost every single podcast you're on is an entrepreneur podcast because in many ways that's exactly what you are. And you're running multiple businesses from the podcast to Being an author of now multiple books to this new song that you just produced that I know you wanted to talk about

Yes, so I'll talk a little bit about the song. It's called kids can save animals Anytime someone downloads a song 15% goes directly to rewild where Leonardo DiCaprio is a founding board member. And Jen Harmon Luck, she wrote this song, she's the main singer. She wrote about my conservation journey, and we recently performed it at South by Southwest here in Austin. And we showed a little clip of the music video, and that was when the music video hadn't been finished, but now it is finished, and you can go watch it on YouTube. It's really cool. We have lots of different kids involved with it and it's a really great song that saves animals and I really encourage anyone listening this to go and download it. Yeah and is your voice one of the voices who's singing?

Yes so I'm one of the background singers and also I have a little part where I'm just talking and saying animal facts every 15 minutes in elephant skill for its tux. Every eight hours a rhino is killed for its horn, facts like that that are talking about animals in it. That is really cool and I've got to listen to it and encourage the audience to download it and take a listen to it especially since it's supporting such a great cause. I'm a bit envious of you. When I lived in Austin, one of the employers I worked for was Dell. And while at Dell, I got to meet a lot of Microsoft executives, but I understand you did something that I never dreamed I would be able to do, which is to get sponsored by Microsoft.

Yes, so I worked with Project 15 for Microsoft. I directly worked with Sarah Masson. She's the one who helped me all the way through Club 15. She's such an incredible person. She happens to work at Microsoft and she's finding incredible ways that technology can save animals. She's one of the people that I interviewed on Club 15.

I think she was the first ever person I interviewed. So you can definitely check out that video. But yeah, it was really cool. I actually met her on a televised program where we were fundraising for Rangers. And I saw her talking about what she's doing and I just thought that was incredible. So I reached out to her on Instagram and I wanted to meet up with her, talk a little bit more about what we were doing and then we ended up creating Club 15 together. Well, that is really incredible. And are they still helping you to put that on?

Yes, definitely. I think she helped me really along when I was first getting started just teaching me the ropes, but now I'm kind of doing it more on my own, but she definitely helped me find lots of different guests, and if I ever knew anything, she's always there, and she definitely helps with lots of the technology aspect

of it, because right now we're trying to make another kind of version of Club 15 that focuses on oceans, because right now it's all biodiversity and I want to have another option for something kids can do to get involved. Okay and are you also involved in climate change? I'm definitely mostly involved in saving animals. That's kind of what I'm doing. My organizations kids can save animals, but I definitely do know that's a problem and you know something I would love to look into one day and you know right now I'm taking the subject oceans and maybe one day I can get involved with climate

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What are some of the biggest lessons learned that you've experienced from hosting a podcast? Yeah, it was definitely kind of hard. I never actually interviewed someone else before. And it's really a cool experience. And it was really fun getting to learn about all these people because they're doing such incredible things. And if anyone wants to start a podcast, I think you definitely should.

It's a really cool way. You can reach people now, they can listen to them wherever they're going. And I just say go for it. And you can definitely do anything if you try hard enough. Well, yeah, so I could definitely say that is true. What did you think was the hardest thing about doing the podcast? Was it just learning how to interview people or were there other things that you didn't

expect as you got into it? I would say probably just the interview process in having it flow and just having, you know, what questions am I gonna ask next and just making a good solid conversation with the person and just hooking the audience. A big portion of our podcast is to teach people how they can make a difference both and their lives within the lives of others.

So how can anyone make a difference both in their lives but in the lives of others. So how can anyone make a difference and be an advocate for something that they're passionate about? So definitely you can go to my website, kidsconsaveanimals.com, where you can find all the different project that I've been talking about. But also you can pick your favorite animal

or as much as you possibly can about it. Just educate your family and friends on it. And a few organizations that you want to check out is the Shogit Wild Life Trust. They're taking care of baby elephants when their moms have been killed by poachers. You can adopt a baby elephant from there. Check out the Jane Golde Institute and ReWild. Those three organizations are the organizations that my book supports, all sales go to them about how to pursue that passion? Definitely. It's kind of the same if you want to get started at anything. I would say find a mentor. I have many mentors such as Jen Hartman, Lux, Sarah, and Mazden, and lots of different people that I've met along the way. And if you find a mentor, they can definitely help you

and just kind of give you the guidelines and how you want to pursue what you're trying to do. Yes, and what are some of the biggest pieces of advice that you were given that you have used and have helped you on this journey? Just to always remember that advocacy has no age limit. It doesn't matter how old you are, you can always make a difference because this plan is in our hands

and we need to do things now to change it. Okay, so I mean, I think that's a good point. You don't have to be an adult to be a leader. So how can kids become leaders in their community? There are lots of things kids can do. One of the big things we can do is drive tourism money. For example, if your parents wake up one day and say, hey, we're going to go swim with a dolphin, you can say no. And anyone will seem to this, if you have done this, it is 100% okay because I did this when I was a

little kid, but it's important now that we're older, and we know that it's something that we don't want to do. We don't want to give our money to places where we can ride animals or swim with animals, and just to make sure that we're not giving them our donation. Yeah, here where I live in the Tampa Bay area of Florida, we have manatees which are also on the endangered list.

So some of the things that we have in this area, you're not permitted to swim or touch a manatee, and they have slower zones for boating so people don't run over them because they tend to just sit there at the surface. So I know they're trying to do a lot to protect them here in Florida where I'm at. Well, I think those are some great tips that you had. So can you talk about how you believe the younger generation is making a difference and why you think this is going to continue? Yes, so it's very urgent that all kids get involved because in 10 years we could

lose all elephants from our planet. And if we don't take action now, we will lose elephants, we'll lose these critical species to our planet. And it's simply just urgent that we need to take action now or it's just going to be too late and there's so many things you can get involved with. I know Africa is on the other side of the world but it's still our planet and we still need to take care of it and just get involved take the first step. Well I mean I think a great example of that is you can look at the American Eagle and for a while it was on the endangered list. In fact, they thought it was going to go extinct. And now, you know, they have grown

because of conservation, back to not being an endangered species, but you've got pandas and lots of other animals that are endangered. Can you talk about some of the other ones? Yeah. One great example is there only two northern white rhinos left on the planet. I've actually seen these two rhinos in Africa once before, but it's a really sad to think that those numbers have gone all the way to two. And there are so many other animals that are just like this, and we need to protect them. So any of these other species, it

doesn't happen to them. Yeah, so if you're a middle schooler like you are, or maybe even a high schooler, and you want to get your school more involved in this, or kids to support it, do you have any suggestions for how, you know, maybe a parent who's listening or, you know, someone younger who maybe maybe listening could potentially use their school to aid? Definitely. I have multiple things that you can do with getting involved with your school. One is get involved with Born for USA.

It's an incredible organization, just learn a little bit about them and give them some of your attention. And another thing, a different project that I did a while ago at my school incredible organization, just learn a little bit about them and give them some of your attention. And another thing, a different project that I did a while ago, my school, is called Quarters for Koalas. This actually wasn't for Africa.

This was for Australia when the fires broke up in one billion animals died. And I had everyone in my school collect quarters and we ended up raising over $4,400 for the Adelaide Quala rescue where they're rescuing calls that were burned from the fires. And this is a campaign you can go and download on my website kidsconsafeanimals.com. You can get that presentation and give it to your school and raise as much money as you can. Okay well I know one thing that we're all concerned about is time and having enough time

to pursue different things. And here you are, a full-time student. And on top of that, you figure out how to put on a podcast and run multiple businesses. How do you do that? And what's your advice on time management if someone, especially a kid who's listening to this is thinking, how would I possibly fit this in? I've got school work and everything else.

It's definitely hard to fit everything in. I mean, I go to school for eight hours a day and I always just try to focus on my school first, I have to get all my homework done. But then this stuff is equally as important to me because something that I'm really passionate about. So I always make sure I'm up today on everything and I know what's going on for my whole week

and have it all laid out. So I don't fall behind on anything. Well, I think that's some great advice, especially to put school first. I'm sure it can be difficult to do at times when you have so much passion around wanting to move what you're doing forward and getting more people involved. Yeah, but I mean, if it's something you're really passionate about, I'm sure you can find time for it because if it's something really important to you, you can definitely get it done.

Yeah, and what would your advice be to someone your age who might be thinking, man, she got so lucky, she met these people from Microsoft, she's met these other people, like, and they're afraid to reach out to people. What would your advice be to them on how to attract support from adult mentors? Just try things if you're asking somebody the worst thing they can do is say no. And I guarantee you if you keep trying and trying, you will get a yes. For example, when I was trying to publish my book, I got so many rejection letters, but then I finally got a yes. So just keep trying and it will happen for you eventually. Well, I can relate to you there very well.

I think I sent my book proposal out to maybe a hundred different agents and publishers and it is not easy, whether you're an adult or a child to get published. So I think you are speaking to the choir when it comes to the difficulties right now of understanding what publishers want. Have they approached you about writing another book? No, writing another book I haven't been that much involved with yet because I really want to focus more on Club 15 right now.

I've done lots of things with animals and I really want to get started in saving oceans because that's something really, really important. I have a few people I already have lined up to interview and that's definitely something that I want to get going. So if there was anyone in the world that you could interview and have on your podcast, who would it be and why? Probably Greta Thumbberg. I think what she's doing is incredible and lots of people know her and it's just so

cool she's doing with climate change and I haven't interviewed. I don't think I've interviewed anybody that's really focused on climate change and I haven't interviewed. I don't think I've interviewed anybody that's really focused on climate change. And I think it would be really cool to learn more about her and have her on my podcast. It just shows you when you're ignited with passion, how far it can take you. So I think she's a great example. A great role model.

Yes, for now, so many millions of kids everywhere. And look at the world attention that she's been able to bring through her activities. So I wish you luck in getting her on. I have tried to get her on my podcast as well. And I know she's busy, but I have a suspicion that you might have a better chance than I do. So I did want to ask you, you live in the great city of Austin, tons of people are now moving there. What are some of your favorite things about Austin? I think it's a really great location.

I've met so many cool people here. I actually met Jen here. She worked at the paramount, which is place where I used to do acting when I was a little kid. Acting is actually something that I'm also passionate about and I like doing. In my free time, while I'm not focusing on animals in school, and I've just met lots of people here like her, and I never would have gotten started with the song if I hadn't met her. You never know an Austin who you're gonna run into.

When we lived in Austin, went to a church called River Bend, which is right down 360. And one day we saw this family of four, a couple rose in front of us. It's so surprising to see Matthew McConaughey at church. And he was there with his two kids. And for the next 12 months to 18 months, he would come every single week, sit two rows in front of us. And then afterwards, he would take his kids out and play. And they'd play with my kids and others on the

jungle gym, shooting baskets, everything else. And through him, I got to meet Sandra Bola, who was there and many other stars that he would bring with them and my kids loved it because it really gave them a feeling that being part of that community was cool and it gave me a much different opinion of him because all you see is the movies you don't't see the real person behind it. So I think. That's so cool. Yeah, so you never know, you could have a Matthew McConaughey-sighting. His kids are not too much different in age than you. Yes. Well, I have really enjoyed having you on the podcast

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