Passion Struck with John R. Miles - Kate Schutt On: The Best Gift You Can Possibly Give EP 105

Episode Date: February 8, 2022

Check Out Our Sponsors: NUTRAFOL: Get $15 off your first month at nutrafol.com promo code PASSIONSTRUCK. GRAMMARLY: Get 20% off premium at grammarly.com/PASSIONSTRUCK. "But you will never know the impact of just deciding to act and using your heart to say, 'what would really help them right now' that I don't even need to ask to do." - Kate Schutt Kate Schutt is an award-winning songwriter, singer, guitarist, and producer. She is also a life coach. In 2018, Schutt gave a TEDx talk, "A Grief Casserole." Kate Schutt is the rarest of combinations… brilliance and humility, wisdom and curiosity, creativity and intellect. Each on its own is a gift; in combination, extraordinary. “Kate’s newest album Bright Nowhere is the ultimate reveal with storytelling so emotionally raw and honest, yet, truly inspirational in its humanity and musicality.” -Kevin Killen, eight-time Grammy-winning producer. Our conversation ranged far and wide, covering everything from the background on why NPR calls her voice “glassily clear and glossily sweet,” the secrets to true fulfillment in life, to the best gift you can possibly give someone. Thank you for listening to this podcast. I hope you keep up with the weekly videos I post on the YouTube channel, subscribe to, and share your learnings with those who need to hear them. Your comments are my oxygen, so please take a second and say 'Hey' ;). -- ► Subscribe to My Channel Here: https://www.youtube.com/c/JohnRMiles SHOW NOTES 0:00 Introduction 1:12 Kate Schutt Introduction 3:20 Nutrafol and Grammarly 6:19 What it was like for Kate to be the little sister 9:26 Importance of exposing kids to music 13:00 Tina Turner's influence on Kate's passion for music 19:35 Pink and other musical influences 25:54 Kate's TEDx Talk called "Grief Casserole." 33:18 Learning how to handle mortality 37:36 The importance of action to help others 42:02 Helping people make potent changes 45:49 The preciousness of cherishing every moment 49:29 How as a "death coach" Kate teaches mortality awareness 52:48 Generational trauma 56:26 How division one sports taught Kate intentionality 104:00 Lightning round of questions FOLLOW KATE SCHUTT Website: https://www.kateschutt.com/ * IG: https://www.instagram.com/kateschutt/ * FB: https://www.facebook.com/kateschuttmusic/ * Twitter: https://twitter.com/kateschutt * LI: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kateschutt/ FOLLOW JOHN ON THE SOCIALS * Twitter: https://twitter.com/Milesjohnr * Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/johnrmiles.c0m * Medium: https://medium.com/@JohnRMiles​ * Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/john_r_miles * LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/milesjohn/ * Blog: https://passionstruck.com/blog/ * Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/passion_struck_podcast/ * Gear: https://www.zazzle.com/store/passion_struck/   -- John R. Miles is a serial entrepreneur and the CEO and founder of Passion Struck. This full-service media company helps people live intentionally by creating best-in-class educational and entertainment content. John is also a prolific public speaker, venture capitalist, and author named to the ComputerWorld Top 100 IT Leaders. John is the host of the PassionStruckPodcast. A show focused on exploring the mindset and philosophy of the world's highest achievers to learn their lessons to living intentionally. Passion Struck aspires to speak to the humanity of people in a way that makes them want to live better, be better and impact. Stay tuned for John's latest project, his upcoming book, which will be published in summer 2022. Learn more about me: https://johnrmiles.com. New to this channel and the passion-struck podcast? Check out our starter packs which are our favorite episodes grouped by topic, to allow you to get a sense of all the podcast has to offer. Go to https://passionstruck.com/starter-packs/. Like this? Please join me on my new platform for peak performance, life coaching, self-improvement, intentional living, and personal growth: https://passionstruck.com/ and sign up for our email list.

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Grammarly Premium, get 20% off for being my listener. That's 20% off at gr amm a r l y dot com slash passion struck. Please consider those who support the show and make it possible and free for our listeners. Now back to PassionStruck. I am so excited today to have Kate Shutt on the podcast. Thank you, Kate, so much for joining. I'm so glad to be here, John. So great.

We can make it work. It's been a minute since we set it up and since we got here. Yes, well, it's good to see your face again, because I think the last time we talked was before the holidays. So, correct. Well, I thought a great starting point for people to understand you is maybe what was it like growing up with two older brothers? I have, I'm the oldest, so I've got a younger sister and brother, but I've always kind of wanted to know what's it like being the youngest, especially when you've got to live behind two brothers.

Yeah, well, first of all, it's great. I mean, I love, I've always loved, I look up to my brothers immensely, they're incredible men and fathers and brothers and sons now. They're just, they're amazing, they're my best friends in a lot of ways. And, I have to say, as a kid, I was that little sister that they didn't really want around. And I think they'd have no problem telling you that.

I mean, who wants their baby sister tagging along when you're growing up? But tag along, indeed, I did. You know, they're the one, they're responsible for getting me into ice hockey, which turned into a huge part of my life. And I wouldn't be who I was today, who I am today without that and because they were boys, I was playing boys hockey really until I went away to prep school to play girls hockey, which was the only way I could do that. So it was amazing. They're amazing guys, each in their own right, it still learns so much from them. They're

my idols in a lot of ways. So is there any interest that you gained outside of them? Meaning they introduce you to sports, they introduce you to fashion, they introduce me. Yeah, great question. I mean, I guess the biggest difference for us is that they seemingly weren't very interested in music. I mean, they are now They seemingly weren't very interested in music. I mean, they are now, and they're great fans, and they both have incredible voices. Like, they could have been musicians, professional musicians, or whatever.

They could have taken it however far they wanted to take it. And indeed, my oldest brother sang in an Acapello group in high school, but really, like, my parents were hell bentent on having somebody play an instrument because my dad's side of the family was very musical. And I was the only one left. So, at age 10, when my brothers were like 17 and whatever, 15, 14. I started piano lessons, 10 or 11, I can't remember. I think I usually go with 11, so maybe 11. Somewhere around there, my parents said,

oh, you're starting piano lessons, and I was like, okay. So that's kind of how I got into music was because I was the young, I was the youngest. Well, we introduced both of our kids and I think I told you this previously to piano when they were very young. I think they were both probably four or five. And it's interesting the impact that it has made on both of them, especially I think their creative thinking. that it has made on both of them, especially I think they're creative thinking. Yeah. But my son is more of the type that I could play him, you know, a food fighter song like Everlong, and he can hear it one time and sit down now either at a piano and drum or percussion

and play it. My daughter, my daughter, on the other hand, is the type where she will go on YouTube and look at the videos, but she's really studying the notes to try to understand how to play it precisely. And it's so interesting just in that example, how the two of them approach music so differently. Totally. Well, Kudos to you for starting them so young and in retrospect from my the right-bowl age

of 46, I wish I had started it for. But still, music's amazing. And it doesn't matter. I mean, a lot of people start and come back to it. And I always tell, obviously, people, friends of mine who have kids are always asking me, like, what should I start them on and when should I start them and what instrument? And do you have a teacher to recommend and all that? And I always just say, start them on anything.

Whatever, whatever sparks their interest. Because that's, that might not be where they end up. I didn't end up, I play piano. I don't play it publicly, but I play it and of course I had to play it all through my career and music school and everything like that. You're required to play. I play a lot of instruments now

and I know so many high level musicians who started on one instrument and switched to another. So. Well, if you know piano, you can pretty much, I think, pick up almost anything. It's the whole orchestra, for sure. It's the whole gamut. Yeah, I think I shared these stories the last time we talked, but my son, when he started eighth grade, we had moved from living in North Carolina to Texas, and he really

wanted to be in the school band, which was a huge band. I mean, even their middle school band probably had 200 kids in it. But he wanted to play percussion and the only way in this school, because so many people wanted to play percussion, is that you had to have a background in playing piano. And in literally one year, he went from never playing before. And we got him a tutor that he loved who was in his early 20s and played in bands himself. And by the end of the year, he was the eighth chair in the state of Texas, which was pretty remarkable. And then, I think my daughter's story is even funnier

how she wanted to join a band and was thinking of what instrument to play. And she started looking at the scenario and she goes, you know, dad, if I'm going to play with three dudes in a band, one of them is going to be the lead singer. Another one is going to want to play lead guitar and the other is going to be the drummer. So I think my best bet is to try bass, which is exactly what she did.

And if you're good at it, everyone wants a female on the band and a basis. I don't know where she got it at 14, 13, 14 years old, but I don't know your experience, but I think she doesn't sell it out. That's all I have to say. If you're a drummer or a bassist, you will always work. If you have good time and good rhythm and good feel and you're a good hang, you'll always work. There's always a spot for you. Well, I'm going to lead to another question for you, but I'm going to start out by telling a story.

I had a favorite uncle, unfortunately, he died when he was about my age from lung cancer, but when I was in my late 20s or early 30s, he told myself and my parents a story that I couldn't believe. So many of my friends wish they could have seen Led Zeppelin at some point in their life. And it turns out I actually did in my first concert unknowingly when I was about two years old, my uncle who is a very big free spirit, probably was one of the people that you would see at festivals back in the day and grateful dead concerts, had me on his shoulders at a Led Zeppelin concert, unbeknownst to anyone when I was two. But I understand you went to a concert when you were younger and I love your webpage because you know you asked if there was one thing you would grab what would it be? Most people would

it would assume it would be your musical instrument. Yeah, if the if the building was burning down, what would I grab? That's the answer, right? And when I read the next page, your answer surprised me. And I think the audience would like the story. Sure. Yeah. Well, first of all, I have to say, what an amazing uncle. Like, you're so lucky. I strive to be that kind of an aunt for my nieces and nephews, because I too had an aunt who was a free spirit and the black sheep and just a totally different kind of person. And then her six brothers and sisters, my mom, she was on my mom's side of the family, my mom's next closest sibling. And she knew that I loved Tina Turner because in 1985 I was 10 years old and that record came out and the private dancer record and I was just I just went

wild for it and so she knew this I mean it was all I did all I listened to all I sang I was always a singer like Like, I always, my parents had like, lots of music around, so I was always singing along. And so she, Tina went on tour and and she was my aunt lived in near in Kentucky about a couple hours away from Lexington. And she called up my mom and said, you know, I'd really like to take Kate to go see She called up my mom and said, you know, I'd really like to take Kate to go see Tana at Lexington at the big barina and luckily for me my mom and dad said yes and You know sort of the rest is history. I traveled down there by myself. I think that was the first time I went on a plane by myself and

Back in the day. No cell phones, you know nothing nothing like what we have today. And I spent the weekend with her in a week, probably, I think it was more than that. Anyway, and I got to see Tina, and I still have the program. I mean, unfortunately, I don't have it in this room with me, but it's right downstairs. And I look at it all the time. It's this big, great, big, I mean, back in the day, when you went to concerts, they do, they sold these huge, like broadsides, like with color pictures and essays and the list of all the tour dates.

And it's amazing. When you look at it now, holy smokes that year, God, she was working her ass off. Well, it's amazing how many stars today credit a lot of what they do to seeing her or following her. I just was always marveled at the energy that she would bring to those shows and I have no idea how she can do it every single night. Yeah, since then, I've seen her on tour every time she's been out on tour. So, one tour, not the most, the sort of last tour. There were two last tours I think, not the most recent one, which now was in like 2008 I think. But the one before that I saw, I saw her like three

times on that tour. I mean, I just, like,, are in New York and then I saw in the middle of the country and then I saw in California. And yeah, I mean, it's unbelievable. I truly don't understand. Well, actually, I got a little bit of an insight into it because, and this is cool, maybe you can link to this. You can find this and link to this for your people listening, is that Harvard Business School interviewed her? Sort of on the occasion of the musical. There's a Broadway

musical now about her life, which is amazing. Of course, I've seen it. It's incredible. I think it was on the occasion of that or on the occasion. It just recently got inducted into the Hall of Fame, Rocking the Hall of Fame, which is like a crime and a tragedy. I don't know why it took them this long. But anyway, you can go online and find that article and it's an interview with her. And they talk, they ask her a question about what she does to prepare for her huge live shows. And there's so much more in there that you should read.

I almost don't wanna say,, make you go read it, but I'll give you the spoiler, which is that, basically, you know, she's a really established Buddhist at this point. That's not, that's nothing new. And so she, she basically meditates and chants for an hour, for an hour's length before a show. And she talks about how when she's doing that, she envisions every single person in the audience,

which she's playing, just selling out Madison Square Garden and that they are there and they're having a happy fulfilling time and that her music helps them sort of get to the next place in their life. I'm paraphrasing here, but you can go read it for yourself. But when I read that, because I had the same question you did, because I've seen her so many times, I just don't understand how a person can get that much energy put onto them and how I is the person who's watching her feel that much energy coming back at me.

And this helped me see a little bit into it. Well, I think another good link to check out is, I'm not sure if you've seen the Netflix movie about you. Yes. Pink. Oh, yeah, so yes, I've seen the Netflix movie about you. Pink. Oh, yeah. So, yeah. So, I've seen the pink, yeah, totally.

It was shocking to me that as she's being propelled in the air at times, she's pulling two to four Gs. And she had to learn how to sing while doing Gs at the same time, which to me was an unbelievable feat. And you know what? I was watching that video and I'm obviously, I listened to Pink's music, just like everybody in America listens to Pink music, sort of by us most of us. I mean, I'm a fan, but I'm not like an Uber fan. But I was watching that video and her manager comes on and her manager is Tina Turner's manager Roger Davies. Roger Davies was the guy who basically took on Tina when she had nothing after leaving

Ike. The key was her manager. Managers are hugely important in the music industry. In a lot of ways, they make or break you, because they open all the doors. They're the ones fighting for you, because you can't wear all those hats. And so I didn't know that he was her, was Pink's manager, at least during that time of that video. So I was watching along,

and I see him, because I just know everything about Tina Turner. And I was like, that's where I, that's where I was today, these, no wonder, no wonder, Pink is this, like, at that level of performance. It's unbelievable. Going from someone who just stands sedatory to doing the things that she does and bringing forth.

I mean, I can understand it if you play guitar or you play an instrument, but her instrument is her voice. So the stuff that she's able to do just like Tina Turner is pretty amazing. Yeah, this little show, putting on the show, her shows are just as amazing as Tina's shows. It's about the experience. Yes, it's about the music, of course. Music is why we're there, but there's so much more that's going on. Absolutely. Well, for the listener who might not be aware of your own music, I know you have a new album that's out right now. Can you talk about what besides Tina Turner, where your influences for the unique sound that you have and then talk a little bit about that new album right now? Where? Sure. I mean, yeah, Tina Turner is where it all starts. I mean, I'd say the second biggest influence on me is,

in terms of songwriting, is the songwriter, Cole Porter, a lot of great American jazz standards, songs like, let's do it, love for sale, you're the top. I mean, these sort of classic American song book songs. He's what I would call my biggest influence, song writing wise. And so my music is a mix, you know, I'm trying,

basically what I'm trying to do is write the song that Cole Porter would be writing if he was a female in the 21st century and had my life experience. So I'm gay, as an athlete mostly, not really as much of a, I guess that got this background. So like, if he were me, if I were him, what kinds of songs would I be writing? That's what I'm trying to do. I'm trying to write the songs that an Ella Fitzgerald of She Were were alive today would be singing or a Diana crawl who is alive today, obviously. Like the kinds of songs she wants to sing. And so for Bright, nowhere, I mean,

I'm always trying to do that. And but because I started playing guitar very soon after I started playing the piano and I was in a true garage band for like all my life basically playing grateful dead and Jimmy Hendrix and Janice Joplin going back to my brothers because I was the youngest I never got to control the stereo basically. So that's what they were unless I was listening to Tina Turner on my Smurf Walkman. But so that's what I, that was the music I listened to sort of by Osmosis through them. And that was what I was playing in bands and a lot of acoustic music. And so that's mixed in there as well. So I'm, though I'm always trying to write this sort of lost jazz standard, you know, this thing that sounds like a jazz standard, but it's not. You can't take the classic rock out of the girl.

Like it's in there. So, I guess people say sometimes it's Americana, some people say it's pop jazz or jazz pop, that's what it sounds like. And then in terms of the Bright Noir record, I mean, in 2000, so I'm doing, I'm going along in my life, doing my music thing and in 2010, roughly, 2010, no, 2011, sometimes the dates are what is time anymore after a whole pandemic. my mom got diagnosed with ovarian cancer, really rare and aggressive form, and I pretty much gave up music and moved home

to women in Delaware, slash chance, Chad's Ford Pennsylvania, that's where I grew up, and moved into my parents' house with my mom and dad to take care of her. house with my mom and dad to take care of her. And so this batch of songs, right nowhere, that are on this album, come out of that experience. You know, I couldn't write music for about the first year and a half of my time. Taking care of her, her care was just way, way, way to intense. But I kept notes about what I wanted to write. And songs I would write if I found my way back to music. So eventually I did. I mean, my mom died in 2015.

And after helping to get my dad kind of back up on his feet. And, you know, the ship sailing straight ahead, I was able to continue working on some of the songs I wrote while she was alive and that she got to hear and then, you know, and then started making the record. So, well, I was going to do this later in the interview, but I'll hit it right here because it's the perfect lead in. For the listener, I would highly recommend a TED Talk that Kate gave on this subject. It's one of the only TED Talks I've ever heard for a person sings for one,

but it was a really heartfelt talk that you gave and I think it was Wes Chester. Yeah, Wes Chester being, yeah. And it's a TEDx talk to be totally precise. But yeah, and you can find it on the TED website. And it's called a grief casserole. So if you Google out and TED or TEDx, it'll pop up for sure. Well, so I wanted to talk about this a little bit more

because I think we have all experienced loss. And if we haven't, you will. Unfortunately, in my life, I lost a fiance, grandmother, uncle, etc to cancer. And my girlfriends's mother, 10 years ago, walked into an appointment and was told that she had stage 4 of hearing cancer and somehow is still living today. Yeah, it happens. Good things happen too when you get some people are lucky. So if you are someone who was in your position and someone becomes sick in their life like that, what is your advice on what that person can do, not only for that person

they're taking care of, but also how what is your advice to people who are around the caregiver of how they should interact with you? Because I think at that point in time, sometimes you don't know what to say to your friend or you don't know what to say to the person who's sick, what would your recommendations be? Sure. Well, this is essentially what I talk about in my TED Talk. So the first thing I'd say is go watch the talk because it'll really help and then send it to everybody around you. But to really answer your question, I mean, if you're wanting to reach out to

someone who is going through loss of any kind as you mentioned. There's lots of different kinds of losses. It's not just death or a life limiting illness. It's losing a job. It's losing a marriage to divorce or to something else. It's losing, there's friendships. There's a lot there. So I think the first thing is to just

what's what seems to happen to most people is Is that they want to reach out? I believe fundamentally everyone's good and kind and compassionate and they want to reach out and say something to the person who's experiencing loss and then They want to reach out and say something to the person who's experiencing loss. And then the second after that impulse happens, there's like the self-critic and the, I don't know, conditioned voices come in and say, well, they're busy. Who am I? I'm not close enough to them. I never know what to say in these types of situations.

I don't want to say in these types of situations. I don't wanna bring it up. All of these kinds of thoughts start happening right after that initial compassion at impulse. And my message is don't listen to those. Go with the initial impulse. And it doesn't have to be perfect and it doesn't have to be pretty. And it doesn't have to be in a specific form because a lot of people are like, but I don't want to email them

But maybe I should write a letter, but I don't know if he writes letters anymore So it just pick pick a medium and And write something but write it truly from your heart which for the most part is I can't imagine what you're going through. I'm so sorry for your loss. I just can't stop thinking about you and how hard this must be for you at X and Y and Z and I love you and no need to respond.

And the important thing about that is obviously, if you wanna do more, you can put that in there. Like I'm happy to respond. And the important thing about that is obviously if you want to do more, you can put that in there like I'm happy to help. But the most important thing is to just do it and to just be truthful. In this day and age, not a lot of people want to hear about you're you know, you're in my prayers or my some of that language that's floating around that's gotten a little hollow. So I always say, just say what, if you can't, if you don't even know what to say, then say that because that communicates to me that you're, you understand kind of where I am, where

I am, the person who's experiencing the loss, right? Because they don't know what to say either. I mean, what is it to say about mortality? Like, so, you know, and then the other key part there is no need to respond, because the people that are experiencing loss most mostly are in some kind of a crazy, overwhelming vortex of uname, like arrangements to be made, terrible, despondent, horrible grief, such that, you know, they can't get out of bed or they can't do the normal, you know, the normal things or they've got a house full of people showing up, you know, whatever stage they're in, they don't have time, really. And you giving them the gift of saying, no need to respond is like, first of all, it's just a gift.

It's like a such an ninja move. Because it's not about you. It's not about them getting back to you. It's about you telling them that you love them. And that's it, period the end. So, you know, that's my one long-winded point. And there's a couple of others that, you know, again, you can go listen to my TED Talk and get those. But I think it's the most important thing because when I put together my TED Talk, I had an incredible TED coach, TED Talk Coach. His name is Ryan Hilderbrand.

He was amazing. If anybody's gonna do a TED Talk, they should hire him. But he gave me some great advice. And his advice was go talk to people about their experiences around grief and loss. I mean, obviously I had experienced grief and loss. And not I have many people have died in my life prior to my mom dying.

So I had some facility with it, but he said, go talk to the average person, like the person that's gonna watch your TED talk and understand, again, maybe, where they are. And I talked to 30 people, I interviewed 30 people from strangers to people that were very close to me to everybody, the whole gamut. And everybody said, I just don't know what to do, I don't know what to say.

I do it so badly. I suck it doing this. Yes, I can tell you, I've been guilty myself. I have some dear friends and she came down with breast cancer and given my past traumas around cancer, I didn't know what to say. Right. And so we all do, John, that's the thing. Like we live in a culture that doesn't want to deal or acknowledge or learn how to be with mortality, right? And that's that's what this record's about. And that's actually what sort of by default my life has come to be about. A lot is that thinking and looking at and really be learning to be with death and mortality is actually makes your life so much better because you can't have the dark without the light.

So when you go to that place of really learning how to be with it and just hold that space and just be able to say, I don't know what to say, but I'm here for you. You start to understand that my ability to do that gives me so much more life in my life. I don't know how else to say it. No, I think that's beautiful. It is at our right if I tell the story. Sure, of course. Please.

So September of 2020, and if you're a regular listener of the podcast, I've brought this up before, but it's been a while. My sister had just visited my parents with her son for a couple of weeks, but was feeling very lethargic and just not herself. Couldn't do the things that she needed to. And so she went in to get it looked at.

And at the time, they thought that something was going on with her bile duct. And I'll never remember. So they went in, ended up finding a mass and doing a biopsy. And she's thinking that it's this minor thing going on. And ultimately, it was pancreatic cancer. And so when that happens, not only does their life change in that instant, but yours does too. And then a few months later, we thought that given the chemo she was doing

and everything was fine and it unfortunately spread. Now, the long story short is this year has been an amazing year for her because somehow, I think through her own intentionality and actions, she was able to reverse it. And I think a lot of it, who knows what the cosmic things that happened were, but she was able to get the whipple surgery and everything else. But throughout all of this, what was so hard for me to watch is it wasn't like in the pre-COVID world where you had someone that could sit with you through chemotherapies, where you could have someone be there in the hospital with you as you're getting ready to do all these different procedures and surgeries.

She had to bear it all by herself. And similar to what I said about my friend during this period when you know I was feeling these emotions, some of my closest friends never said a word to me. And the most ironic thing was a person I didn't know even that well could see I was hurting. And he came up just out of the blue and handed me a small cross that was in the form of almost like a rock. And you know, I don't think he realized what it meant to me because for the next six to seven months, you know, I would carry that around everywhere I went. And if I was feeling brief or sadness or something else, I'd always reached out into my pocket

and, you know, hold onto that cross, which would be- What story. And so I think my advice would be just something as little as that can matter so much to someone and you don't know how you're gonna touch someone. Yeah and just to, well first of all thank you for sharing that story and just to be totally clear your sister's alive now. Yes. Yeah. We can install all the odds. Yeah, it gets more than that. So MD Anderson calls her like the stuff of

legend because it just doesn't happen. Wow, well amazing and I'm so I'm so glad you get to spend more time with her and she gets to spend more time with you and with the world but amazing. I guess I wanted to say that you just touched on the second point of my stool. One of the other points of my TED doc, I don't remember now what order they're in, but that the other thing that goes through people's mind, I've kind of alluded to it before, was like when they know someone is going through loss, they say, oh I don't want to disturb them, and like, and then okay, well if they get over that, they usually what they say, and you will find

that you said it yourself once once and I did too. We all do is we say like let me know what I can do to help. Right? Or say something like I just you know give me something to do or like you know just reach out if you need help. And again the person who's going through the loss they don't have the bandwidth to, you know, direct you to do something. Like, they just don't. And for many reasons, I don't need to go into it. But if you just do, right, if you just do, if you just walk up to John and give him a little rock, if you just show up at your friend's house with a bag of groceries, even if you're pretty much sure that you got all the wrong groceries Like chances are if there's something going on someone lost in the family There's a lot of people coming in and out of the house somebody will eat those groceries

You know like in this day and age when people are vegan and gluten-free and all this stuff I don't give a shit just go buy the groceries and bring them into the house. Just do something and don't ask for permission. So that's just a great, that's a perfect example of that, right? The guy just, that took some courage. It takes courage to do that. It takes courage to walk into someone's house and set down a bag of groceries and walk out the door. It takes courage to walk up to somebody

and give them something. We're all afraid of rejection. But you will never know the impact of just deciding to act and using your heart to say, like, what would really help them right now that I don't even need to ask them to do? Well, I mean, to close the story out, I was able to run into them again

about seven to eight months after I gave it to me, and I was able to express to him how much it meant to me. And so, I think that's another thing I would encourage people to do is if you're in that situation, you know, when the timing is right, because in those moments, it's typically not, you know, eventually find a way to thank the people for reaching out. Sure. Yeah. Well, I wanted to use this as a segue into talking about the life coaching that you do. And I'm wondering has the perspective of being around your mom, you know, being her caretaker, having this new feeling about, you know, your place in the cosmos

and et cetera, has it changed the way that you coach clients? And if so, what way? Man, we could talk for hours and hours about this. But of course, yes, it's changed the way I coach people, for a while there, and maybe I still will at some point start calling myself a death coach or grief coach, you know, I seem to be able to talk about and be with mortality and, you know, other people's mortality, my own mortality in a way that of course I really didn't have the

access to before I spent you know what what basically became five years four and a half years of Daily care for a person who was dying And let the same time personal growth. Yeah, of course. I mean, an amazing personal growth. I mean, what I say about it now is that experience is that it was the profound experience of my life. And I've had lots of profound experiences in my life, but that one is it. That's the sort of watershed moment

and that I would do it again in a heartbeat. It was the hardest thing I've ever done. Ever, and I've done a lot of hard things. And that was the hardest thing I've ever done, but I would do it again in a heartbeat from the get-go, and I wouldn't change any bit of it, as hard in this grueling in this terrible as it was, and awesome, and awesome awesome and sublime in both meanings of that word. So, personal growth wise, I think it's just allowed me as a coach to show up. Typically, my clients are, we work for a year. It's a one-on-one coaching situation. We work for a year together or more and I, in a lot of ways, I get closer to them than

their partners or the people in their life, which is how I love that kind of relationship and that's the goals. I focus on people making change in their life and usually very big changes. And so just because we're mortal, usually a loss shows up of some kind during that time. And I'm able to respond to that in a way that someone else who hasn't had this much experience probably can't or maybe cannot. I don't know, but I know I've been through this now with clients since my mom died and my dad died this May.

I'm sorry to hear that. Yeah, thank you. It was a different kind of journey, but it was an amazing journey. It really changes how I can respond to them to people. Because as we've said, most people aren't skilled at this part of their life. And not only for them,

but how they show up for other people. Maybe it's not, maybe they don't experience the loss, maybe my clients aren't experienced the loss, but their best friends are. So I can really help them with that. And then, I think just personally, I mentioned taking my mom from diagnosis to her death, I had to do that, basically. I mean, I don't have a diagnosis other than I'm human, so I'm dying every day. And I had to look at it, was I ready to die? And so it made me, I am so attuned to the preciousness

of every single moment, truly, in a way that is, of every single moment truly in a way that is People at my friends my partner say like this is you know, this is what this is who you are for me You you remind me constantly of like how it all could change in a moment You know how how precious this this this present moment is and it's time together And so I've done the work to be ready to die myself. I've let everybody know that needs to know what how I feel. I've planned my funeral.

I know where my ashes are gonna go. I know who's playing at my funeral. I know who's getting what guitars. So once you do that, there's a lightness actually that's available. Well, you know, it's interesting. There's a bucket list and then there's this thing called the reverse bucket list, which is actually, I never heard of that. What reverse bucket. So I interviewed this guy, Travel, I'd never heard of it before. And how he got this, I have no idea, but his website is the bucket list guy. And he came up with this thing called the reverse bucket list. And it's actually your done list. It's, you know, a lot of people lack confidence. They don't think that they can take on the next challenge. And he said

oftentimes the best starting point is to go back to your done list. Because as you look at all the things that you've accomplished, you'll think about those and go, how in the world did I pull some of those things off? And it makes you feel better about yourself. That I was thinking you could almost take that same concept and go from the work that you did and back into, you know, if this is my ending point then in reverse logic, what are the things that I want to do to accomplish it? And yeah, I mean, what do you want to do before? You know, my mom got diagnosed. I was in the room when the doctor came in, in the wee hours to say, you know, we biopsied your tumor

and here's what we found. And he gave her the bad news, because she had a very rare and aggressive form that they basically don't study. It's a 50-50 chance. You can get the Garden Variety Ovarian Cancer, which, let's be honest, isn't really studied as much as breast cancer.

And that, but they study it at least, or you can get this other kind. And unfortunately, my mom got the other kind. And so they were like, cross your fingers and hope, basically. And, you know, I looked her in the eye the second, he left the room and I just said, you know, what do you want to do before you die? Who do you want to be? You know and and I said we're not mincing words because this is going to kill you whether it kills you two months from now two years from now 20 years from now Who knows, you know?

It's going to be the thing that kills you so no no, we're just, we are starting from the end. Like you're dead. Now every minute you have that's given back to you, that we're pouring back into the glass, what do you want to do at that time? Yeah, well, it's a tip, a completely different way to think about how you live. And I did an episode a few weeks ago

that I said, I talked about the importance of life's transition point. Since it's a concept, a lot of people don't. I listened to that episode. Well, thank you. I, if you're not familiar what a transition point is, just says in songwriting, what you do, there are those linkages that you do

between different parts of the song. And we have them in our own lives. It's those moments, those ordinary bits of time that we have every single day, that we mindlessly go through, that I think actually define in the end of our life who we are. And it's how do you intentionally go throughout those transition points? I believe that really matters

because you can create this bucket list and according to Trab, only about 10% of people actually have one and out of the 10% who have one, only a small percentage actually write it down. So if you're not consciously going after showing up in those transition points, you're not going to achieve the intention of your life that you want, because I think an interesting way to look at it.

So as you're coaching these clients and they're wanting to change or they're wanting this or that, what do you typically find as the first starting point that you've got to take them on? Time, man. You know, caveat is everybody's different, you know, they're coming for different reasons. But I think really where I come from and where, you know, where my coaching is based out of is this awareness of mortality, you know, this

experience I had and my Zen practice, which is really, really deep. And this idea of like we create our world, you know, I had an experience when I was 14. The day I started at prep school, I walked into the building where I was gonna live. And my parents were dropping me off, they drove up there in our station wagon, got everything in the back of the car, and I walked through the doors of that building, and I realized that, wait a second,

this is the first time in my life, I've never been somewhere with an older brother, who to define me, who to define myself against, or where someone's going to say, oh, your porter's little brother, your Jake's little sister, your porter's little sister, your Jake's little sister, or, oh, your, your mom's daughter and and I just had this flash that it was this clean slate and it totally flipped my mindset and I went from being like a kind of mediocre run-of-the-mill happy-go-lucky kid to still happy-go-lucky kid, to still happy-go-lucky, lots of friends of all different kinds, athletes, artists, I was into everything and everyone, but I just realized like, oh, the way I think about it

can change the whole trajectory of how this goes down. And so it did. I mean, I wouldn't have gone to Harvard if that hadn't happened. I wouldn't have played to Division 1 Sports. I wouldn't have done, you know, been mountaineering in Alaska. I wouldn't have done all these things that I've done in my life, created all these albums, you know, etc. So that's where I come from. That's where we start is that like do you know that you are not your thoughts? And once you know that, what are you, what happens in that space? What do you do with that? How do you, what fills it? You know, luckily for me, I, I, I tracked it. I guess you

could say a life coach of my own. Of course, I have a life coach. I mean, don't get a life coach. It doesn't have a life coach. Like, it's like going to a doctor without a doctor who doesn't go to the doctor. But luckily for me, I attracted early on a life coach who this is his philosophy. So it was sort of, it was already there in me. It wasn't so articulated as it is now,

but this is his philosophy. His name's John Morgan, JP Morgan Jr. And, you know, he's my coach now and has been. And, you know, it's about creating what you want to see, because that's, that is how we experience the world. We only experience the world through the glasses that we have on our face. We would call our eyeballs, you know, we'd call their mindset. Well, it definitely starts with the belief that it getting grained with you and many of

them come from, I call them societal norms that condition us. Oftentimes to become someone who I think we are not, you know, I call this people are becoming more and more shrouded in free tents, trying to be someone that they're not trying to pretend to those around them to be a different persona of who they actually are. And I really think it's leading to why so many people are becoming disengaged is because if you're not pursuing your calling, then you're going to get frustrated and you're going to feel like inside, you know, you're not living your calling. And then I personally, you know, believe it, it all comes down to the choice.

Are you going to choose to stay in the status quo of where you're at or you're going to choose to take that leap, which is going to require you to do a whole bunch of work. Because whether it's overcoming trauma, which I think many of us have to do more. Most of us have, and even a generational trauma. Unless you're willing to do those cycles and you've got to commit to it, nothing's going to happen So I think that that that's really good And you know, I think we I think we have to say like all of us are so lucky especially this This meaning me wearing white skin and being a female and and like there's there's ways in which

And now it is we have to kind of acknowledge, like I said, generational trauma, there's some things there too that like we need to talk about and air and look at. Like in your thinking, you mentioned societal conditioning, like so much of that is present and trying to peel those layers. For do you realize that they're there? If so, how are they there? And what way are they coming out?

And so this is just more of like, almost, do you know that you're thought, you aren't your thoughts and end, okay, so if you aren't your thoughts, like, well, what are those thoughts that you're having and who put them there? And did they even come from an experience in your life or were they from your ancestors or the color of your skin and the way the dominant culture looks at that? And it's not a one walk dog, right? I think is what you're saying is like there's so much work there. You had to take that dog out for a walk all the time. And that's why having someone to help you and listening to people

like you, because all this stuff hits you when it hits you. It hits you when it hits you. Sometimes you're not ready to hear this kind of stuff or not ready to go there. Right. And that's why what you're doing is so, that's why it's so amazing to live when we live during this time period. Like someone's going to hear this podcast or hear any of your podcasts and something's going to hit. When I was 14 and had that epiphany, there was nothing like this. There was no, you know, maybe I would have stumbled upon a Zen in the art of motorcycle maintenance, which I read when I was like 12, but only because my brothers were reading it, you know, like, so it's an amazing time and I guess the

only other thing I'd like to say is just like, you know, go easy on yourself. Self-compassion is a huge part of what I work on myself and what I work on in my clients. Well, I think that is a beautiful moment we had just there. I don't want to get to the end of this podcast and not recognize some of the incredible accomplishments you've had. Having been a division one athlete myself, I realize how much of that impacts your school life because you're spending anywhere between four to five hours a day. Oh, easily.

On those sports. And what I found is, you know, at the end of the day, they kind of own you because you're you've got to do what they're asking for. I have a form. Yeah. But you went into Harvard with two very different sports than what most women would have gotten into if that's an okay way to characterize it. Sure, of course, yeah. Hockey and women's lacrosse.

So I wanted to ask you, what were the biggest learnings that you had from playing those division one sports? Oh man. Well, I have to say, I have to give Harvard a big shout out because Harvard at the time, and I believe still, really championed people playing more than one sport if they could, if they were skilled enough and talented enough and were tart enough and if they wanted to. And so I went, I had many people on both my teams who played more than one sport. I had a few women who played three sports, three division one sports at Harvard. And I know men, you know, classmates who played, which is totally unheard of, like really,

you never hear of a guy playing more than one sport and division one school. And that's a Harvard mentality. I mean, when I was recruited for these sports, you know, I went to lots of other places who I'm sure you can, you know, think of the names that I went to. And they, and I told them that I intended to play both women's isoccian and women's across. I would be talking to both coaches while I was being recruited.

And they were like, no, you won't be doing that. You'll pick one. And I was like, well, you'll be talking to me later, because I had already had a bit of a relationship with Carol Klinefelder, the incredibly celebrated, amazing female women's lacrosse coach legend, who was my coach at the time. You know, it was coaching there, one, the national championship

for an Ivy League school. It's really hard to do. She did it. You know, it was in touch with the coach at the time at Harvard, John DeWolie. And they were like, sure, if you want to play three, go for it. Come on. We'll support you. to play three, go for it. Come on.

We'll support you. So I just have to say that. First of all, like Harvard has this incredible culture that allows somebody to do that and supports you doing that. And so what are the biggest learnings? I mean, you know, you captured it, which is like, it's a full-time job. I mean, you have to learn how to show up.

I love the word you use the word show up earlier. And you have to learn how to show up, you know, performing every single day, because at that level, you're playing for your spot pretty much every day in practice and in games. And how to balance and really rigorous academic schedule if that matters to you. I have a lot of teammates who, that wasn't their highest priority after hockey or lacrosse just to be totally honest. You know, there are people, people have a spectrum of what they expect out of themselves. But for me, you know, athletics and academics, I was totally, you know, obsessed by.

So I think what I learned from that experience, I mean, is so much. It's like, first of all, how to balance that much pressure all the time, basically. You've got six hours of practice and you've got to go home and read Moby Dick in three days and write a 10-page paper on it. And oh, by the way, you're going to brown and you and H tomorrow to play two games and blah, blah, blah. I mean, just, it can just just like that. That's your life. How do you deal with that? You know, how do you take care of yourself? Of course, and then of course how to be a teammate. I mean team is so important to me and

I tell I share with you that like I have to get off this podcast very soon because I'm going to support a teammate of mine It became very decorated Olympian is getting honored getting honored tonight, inducted into a sports hall of fame, and yeah, I'm driving three hours to go to see her get this award, and then I'm driving three hours home, because team is everything. Yes, what definitely teaches you how to prioritize your time for sure. I also thought that it really taught me to have much stronger intentionality because as I look at them, as I look at what makes, you know, an average athlete versus a world class athlete, it really comes into the tiny again transition points that make up the

mundane of all the things that you're doing from the meals that you choose to eat to the activities that you choose to do outside of the sport to how you're approaching each day in the sport, how you're showing up with your teammates, et cetera. So I think your explanations went hand in hand with that. You nailed it. I mean, intentionality. And I have to say, like, I went to, I played those two sports when there was no internet. There were no cell phones. And thank goodness. I couldn't imagine doing it now. For many reasons, for the shenanigans that went on

that I'm very glad do not exist in a digital format. But so much of that, I mean, they just think of how much we know about eating and sleeping now. And I think it teaches you to always be growing be growing, you know, always be growing because you have to if you want a spot on that team, you know, and so that idea of like, I'm always looking for the edge, right? You're always looking for the edge. And also the great thing about team is that they're pushing you, you know, you're getting

pushed, look for your edge constantly, which is so beautiful. And so amazing. And when, as a, you know, luckily for men, hey, they can continue to do this in professional sports, you know, like for women, you know, it's just so, how shall I put it in the most? You know, I feel the loss of a team every day. I mean, I have a team. I have a team that helps me with my social media. And I have, you know, I have teams in other parts of my life. But a team like that, you know, is a truly incredible experience.

Yeah, which is why I think many veterans really miss that teamwork that they had when they were serving. You nailed it. Yeah. Well, if someone would like to learn more about you, get a copy of your album, your book, which we didn't get a chance to cover, but I'll make sure I put it in the show notes

on songwriting. How can they do that? The best place to find me is kateshot.com. I mean that's my personal website. It's okay ATE SCH UTT. But on the socials you can get to that as well and it's just at Kate's Shut. So at Symbol KATESCHUTT. And if you go to either of those places, you'll find me and you can get written touch with me. And I read my email, I responded DMs, you know, I'm there. Okay, well, I'm gonna just end by asking you three or four quick questions.

Please. So the first would be, is there a book other than your book? Yeah. That you would recommend to the listeners. Oh, man. The name of category. Well, hey, I mean, you know, as an English major, so reading is, is my life. Um, nonfiction fiction. What do you want? Let's go nonfiction. Okay. Um, oh, man, there's so many. Um, there's so many, but I'll just pick one.

And it's not my final answer, but it's my answer for whatever time it is, 115 on December 9th or 8th, whatever day this is. My answer is there is nothing wrong with you by Sherry Hubert. She's a Zen teacher. She's my Zen teacher. That book came to me in a very mysterious way and changed my life. And if you're a person who thinks or has ever thought that there might be something wrong with you in whatever way, you know, you have really, you have really loud negative voices or a lot of a tendency to be super critical of yourself. That would be a great book to check out. There's nothing

wrong with you, a Sherry Hubert. Okay, that's great. And you also took a break between the first two years and last year's at Harvard to attend the Berkeley School of Music. I did. Just a very easy place to get into. What do you think the biggest lesson you learned at Berkeley that you've applied to your music career? Oh my God.

It's just more hard work. Like, you know, like, I think you and I touched on this before, but like, I left Harvard to, I dropped out of Harvard to go to Berkeley College of Music and I got, you know, I was rudely awakened to the fact that everybody there had been playing their music, like I had been playing sports on my life, you know, they're at music school, like duh. But like, and you know, the biggest lesson there was just for me was just, oh, wow, you're really bad. I mean, I was really bad at music, like comparatively.

And the power of just ignoring everybody else, because if I had paid attention to how great everybody was, which they were, I went to school, some amazing musicians. If I had paid attention to that, I would have flamed out. Like the self hate would have been too big. So I taught myself at that time, before I had a coach or anything, I taught myself to switch off my mind and not look, I put blinders on

and just say, I got to look at my own paper here. I got to do, I got to be my best, you know, and just get to work. So I think that's it. I mean, and you know, in a very short period of time, I was able to up level my playing and my musicianship. But I think it's only because I was able to up level my playing and my musicianship. But I think it's only because I was able to keep my eyes on my own paper. And just that was my mantra. Like whatever they're doing doesn't matter. You're just trying to be your best. Okay, and I got two more for you. So someone that you have

never met who's alive or deceased, who would it be? Yeah, man. I've never met who's alive dead. I'd love to meet the elephant's Gerald. I'd love to know Sarah Vaughan. Those are two great ones. Yeah. And then this is one of my favorite questions I always ask. And I got to ask it to an astronaut too. But it's who might have the chance to actually do this. If you were selected to go on the mission to Mars and they gave you one rule that you could establish for this new planet, what would it be? Ooh, that's a great question.

It would have to be respect for the planet, you know, to live, to live within, to live in balance with the natural environment. Okay, well that's great. Respect for mother Mars, I'd have to say. Okay, thank you so much for joining us today on the podcast and being vulnerable, especially with your mom and sharing so many important lessons. It was a true pleasure to have you and thank you again. Thanks, John. I'm really thankful to be here and really, like I said, really want to acknowledge you for

what a great podcast you've created, what great conversations you're creating in the world and how many lives you're changing with the kinds of places you're willing to go with your your own thinking and your own conversation. So thank you. Well I really appreciate that. Thank you very much. What a heartfelt interview that was with K-Shut. And thank you, Kate, again, so much for doing this and being so vulnerable and sharing your story with our audience.

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