Passion Struck with John R. Miles - Katie Chonacas On: Being a Rebel With a Cause EP 109

Episode Date: February 22, 2022

In this episode, I interview Katie Chonacas, a Greek international actress, filmmaker, voice actor, author, host of the She's All Over the Place podcast, and musician. We discuss her life being a rebel with a cause. You will find during our discussion that Katie has an ethos that surrounds her. Katie talks about becoming an international actor who went from passion to profession and how that experience launched into being a voiceover artist. Why does she feel so strongly about mental health and staying true to her morals and values? She outlines her tangible steps to achieve any goal you want to accomplish in life and discusses why she wants to be a leader and role model for future generations. We discuss her new podcast season and why she is doubling down on NFTs. This episode is sponsored by Athletic Greens, BetterHelp, and Ten Thousand. ATHLETIC GREENS. Get a one-year supply of vitamin D and five travel packs https://athleticgreens.com/passionstruck. BETTER HELP: Get 10% off your first month https://betterhelp.com/passionstruck. TEN THOUSAND: Get 15% off your order at https://tenthousand.cc and enter code passionstruck. Our Patreon Page: https://www.patreon.com/passionstruck Thank you for tuning into the podcast. If you prefer videos, I hope you keep up with the weekly videos I post on the channel, subscribe to, and share your learnings with those who need to hear them. Your comments are my oxygen, so please take a second and say 'Hey' ;). -- ► Subscribe to My Channel Here: https://www.youtube.com/c/JohnRMiles Show Notes 0:00 Introducing Katie Chonacas and new programs 3:48 Athletic Greens and Ten Thousand 6:50 The influence growing up in Michigan had on her life 11:38 How cross-country influence who she is today 18:53 Her advice for aspiring actors 21:01 How she got the acting bug 24:10 Better Help Online Therapy 25:54 How Katie Chonacas became a rebel with a cause 33:12 How she became known as "Cartoon Katie." 41:21 We discuss her celebrity prototype 45:45 How being an empath has helped her career 49:14 Shapeshifting her energy 54:31 Don't feel guilty about your past 57:00 She's All Over the Place podcast 1:01:16 Why everyone should pay attention to NFTs 1:06:35 Who is SAINT KYRIAKI 1:10:33 Women empowerment coupled with the divine femininity 1:11:48 Lightning round of questions Follow Katie Chonacas: Website: https://www.chonacas.com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chonacas/ Pinterest: https://www.pinterest.com/chonacas/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KyriakiChonacas Tumblr: https://chonacas.tumblr.com/ FOLLOW JOHN ON THE SOCIALS * Twitter: https://twitter.com/Milesjohnr * Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/johnrmiles.c0m * Medium: https://medium.com/@JohnRMiles​ * Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/john_r_miles * LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/milesjohn/ * Blog: https://passionstruck.com/blog/ * Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/passion_struck_podcast/ * Gear: https://www.zazzle.com/store/passion_struck/   -- John R. Miles is a serial entrepreneur and the CEO and founder of Passion Struck. This full-service media company helps people live intentionally by creating best-in-class educational and entertainment content. John is also a prolific public speaker, venture capitalist, and author named to the ComputerWorld Top 100 IT Leaders. John is the host of the PassionStruckPodcast. A show focused on exploring the mindset and philosophy of the world's highest achievers to learn their lessons to living intentionally. Passion Struck aspires to speak to the humanity of people in a way that makes them want to live better, be better and impact. Stay tuned for John's latest project, his upcoming book, which will be published in summer 2022. Learn more about me: https://johnrmiles.com. New to this channel and the passion-struck podcast? Check out our starter packs which are our favorite episodes grouped by topic, to allow you to get a sense of all the podcast has to offer. Go to https://passionstruck.com/starter-packs/. Like this? Please join me on my new platform for peak performance, life coaching, self-improvement, intentional living, and personal growth: https://passionstruck.com/ and sign up for our email list.

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by 48 challenge March 4th through 6th. This challenge benefits nonprofits who are on the cutting edge of treating veterans with traumatic brain injury or post-traumatic stress disorder. I'll put links to how you can support this cause in the show notes. to how you can support this cause in the show notes. Today's guest is my friend, Haiti Chinakis. Greek actress, Haiti Chinakis, has globalized network television, landing roles on top series such as CSI, New York Cold Case, it's always sunny in Philadelphia and law and order. The author, actress, musician, voice over artist

and social media influencer has crossed paths with Al Pacino, Robert De Nero, Jennifer Anderson, Morgan Freeman, Nicholas Cage, and Gary Seneis to just name a few. She is an artist who uses her love of creativity to spread hope and love. You will find during our discussion that Katie has an ethos that surrounds her. We start the conversation with our mutual love of running and how competing in both high school and college, cross country and track influence both of our lives. How Katie found her way into doing voiceover work and why she is now earned the label

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Great to be here. Okay, so I have to start the interview with talking about Michigan because my father grew up on nine miles and I grew up with both parents, grandparents, and all the university Michigan and me getting to go up to Michigan, a eight ton as a kid. So I have to figure out where's your allegiance because you're kinda close where you grew up

to those Lansing, Annie, and Arbor. Yeah, yeah, she, so yeah, I'm 30 minutes from Ann Arbor and 30 minutes from Detroit, so it's like Norseville, Novi area. Do you know that area? I do. Yeah, where did you go? Well, my grandmother's house was on nine miles, but we had relatives and sterling heights and Rochester and Rochester heights blooming then. Yeah. So it's a fourth Rochester hill, so it's about 45 minutes away.

Did you go to the lakes when you were visiting Michigan a lot? Did you go to the cabins and be on the water at all? My uncle used to take me to the lakes, honestly, where we would go for much of our summer vacation is the University of Michigan has an alumni camp that's on Lake Waloon, which is close to Pataski. And so we would spend the summers there.

And then we would always go to the MSU game and the OSU game. So depending on where they played, we would spend most of that time around our cousins and relatives throughout the Detroit area. Yeah, Michigan's a great state. I love Michigan. I family who still live there now. I was actually there for one year during the pandemic. It was amazing. It was great. My parents are retired. All the kids were out of the house. It was me.

They're all by myself. My mom and dad, they were so chilled out. As an actor, I was able to catch up on shows and movies and do them with my mom. Sometimes we were up to four or five in the morning watching the crown. It was really nice and cozy and then my a-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y and then my a-yass, they're my Greek roots. So, you know, the family love. And they're just always speeding. You wreck this lunch and dinner. And they just held such great space for me, you know. So I could just be home and like, one room was my office.

One room was the voiceover recording studio that I built from my childhood closet. Had the whole upstairs just as a sanctuary to spend the one year just kind of was going on and it was 20 years, two decades that I left home for my little girl dreams with my blueprint and then traveled the world and then had mentors and the build those fantasies and those dreams. So in 2020, 20 years later, I was home, like just dismantling and reflecting the 20 years to create a new blueprint for myself, and then to project a make a plan

for God willing the next 20 years. So it was a really prolific time. And Michigan has the great late. So it's surrounded by 70% of the water in America. So people love Michigan people. Well, funny thing is my dad loves Greek restaurants, especially for breakfast. So wherever we lived after he was from Michigan, it was always on the search for the best Greek breakfast restaurant that we could find

which Even to this even to this day now in that 11th floor, I still take him to the Greek breakfast restaurant when he comes here So there's something I discovered that you and I have in common and that is when we were both in high school, we both ran cross country. Shut the front door. This is so cool. Yeah, so I have to tell you, when I was in middle school, I was kind of a pudgy kid. I hadn't really hit my growths for yet. And between my eighth grade and the

year in the summer, I ended up losing weight because I started running. And then I said, I'm going to start, I'm going to try out for this team. And the next year, we won state champions. We were in the state champions. And then then ended up getting to participate in states and then ran competitively in college. But for me, I learned so much from cross-century attract, not sure how you feel. Oh, which state were you in? Pennsylvania at the time. Pennsylvania at the time.

I feel the same thing. My whole metaphor, my module, and my life of my psychology of how I am is because across country running. My dad ran across country. He turned me on to it in sixth grade. So I started running when I was in sixth grade. I ran a middle school high school at a full scholarship for college. learned about short-term, medium-term, long-term goals. The micro, the macro, sewing the seeds and the garden, nurturing it, watching it grow, and flourish, and then every three months, like doing a rake, and then seeing which ones have blossomed, and then just sewing more seeds. So with cross-country, it really made me identify

that yes, it's a team sport, it's a double win, and it's an individual sport. And what I do is individual affects the whole. So having that conscious awareness of a collective is what really like when I go to set and I'm working with 300 people, if I go to set and I'm working with 50 people, going when I show up, how I present myself as an individual is going to affect everyone on set. It's a domino effect, same thing in my partnerships and my friendships. When I show up, it's like a collective. So I've always liked working with people, not so I, even though I'm an introvert and I like working by myself.

I very much like working with people too. I like to research, find out my thing, and then get outside of myself and say, hey, John, what do you think about this and have that community to communicate to back and forth? Do you like relay? No, I completely relate because especially if you're trying to compete in meets and everything, it's that first five runners and then potentially the six that that matters. So you really have to have that that team and understand what each one of your roles is and where you need to place and you know when I found though was when I started out I found I was becoming

really nervous for the meets and those and that nervousness would impact how good I was doing and it and then I kind of flipped my perspective that I needed to start treating practice like it was a meat and that I was competing against my teammates and that if I would run harder, they would run harder. And because I started taking that mental discipline into practice every day, regardless if we were doing a track workout or, you know, just running, just making sure that I was giving it my all. It completely changed how I interacted with races. Did you have any of that type of stuff? I really like what you just said because I think that well, one thing, I like the competitive nature

and the discipline that it gifted us, you know, to make us mind over matter, right? To be very strong, but I like how you mentioned what you just said, because it made me think that would, if you apply that to the workplace now, it would show within the workplace you can still be competitive and a healthy, banter back and forth, like a healthy way with your teammates, but still be friends at the end of the day. I love that, yeah.

Yeah, well, I always like to ask this of cross country runners. Did you like cross country better or did you like track better? Cross country, I'm a long distance girl. I love the mountains, the up, the down, the going in the circles drove me crazy. I'm not, I did, I did the half mile,

I did not like the half mile, because it's so not much. And then I did the mile in the two miles. So I like the two mile the best. So I like longer distance. I love endurance. Like, and I think that's why I've been able to do what I've done in my life thus far because of the endurance that, you know, my family turned me on to cross-country running. 1000%. That's why it's really important for me.

And this is on a psychological level too, pivoting a bit. When, when I had children, God willing, I've always said, it's important for them to do sports no matter what the sport is because you become an oak tree from within. So solid that it really sets you up for life. However, the pressures of cross country, they're what it was like, there wasn't like,

like the NBA or tennis, there wasn't the opportunities for cross-country runners. So I really challenged, was challenged with insecurity and confidence in that area. Like there wasn't some, I'll go to place to have those kind of like brand partnerships deals for cross-country, wasn't like, considered a quote unquote, cool sport. And so sometimes I'm like, why didn't I, why didn't I have the security in that realm to make it like a cool sport, like an

anachornicova, right? To make cross-country that way. But I tried and there wasn't those opportunities. However, I saw the pressures that parents and how kids felt with NBA and football and soccer. So I thought when, you know, God willing, when I have children one day, it's important for them to do sports, but not put the pressure on them that they have to go all the way to the MBA and this big hall illusion

that a lot of parents do to children. I think it's very unfair, but it's very important as discipline for them to be a part of sports for their overall well-being for their life. No, I couldn't agree more. I think one of the biggest things that it taught me at a young age was it helped me with mental help because you learned how to live within your mind and when you're running you get a lot of time to think. thing. And I also think it helped me form some of my initial

conceptions around core values and what was going to drive me to be a better competitor as well. If I didn't have cross-punchy running, I would not have done all the things I've done to this day. 1000% and I get vulnerable when I say this because like there just would have been too many distractions with cross-punchy running, my blood flow, my discipline, my go-getter attitude, the oxygen to the brain, it just really made my brain very healthy and I didn't know about mental health when I was a kid. I didn't know about mental health.

It wasn't talked about. Like when I was a kid. I didn't know about mental health. It wasn't talked about. Like, when I was in career decision-making class, there was a hundred words on the board, literally, and out of the hundred, you had to put 20. And out of the 20, we had to put them in order. And for me, I put health as number one, because if you had your health, you could do everything on my list

and everything on the board. But I was thinking physical health, like how I looked physically, my physique, I didn't think about mental health then, like I do now. But because across country running, it protected me. It got me in a rotation at school with other individuals instead of just being at home

watching TV and fighting with my siblings. And it just it really really I think saved me. Well, that's an awesome story to hear. So I did want to ask you we used to live in San Diego and at the time my son was really young, but when we would go up to L.A. He was an adorable kid and we were approached by like three or four agents. Sometimes just on the beach or on Santa Monica pier about, have you ever thought about having your son be a child actor? And we ended up resisting it because we kind of wanted him to just have a normal life. Sometimes I look back and wonder if we should have done it. But I kind of am using this as an entry way to how did you even get indoctrinated into acting? Was it something

you wanted to do or were you found? Well, if I may, I would like to comment on what you just said because from a skeptic standpoint, and someone who's maybe listening and interested in getting in back then when those offerings were to you, maybe that's the way they did it then, one, or maybe those are the ones who fish around to take people's money and they prey on you. So you never know, right?

The flip of the coin. So even now like when I first came to Hollywood at the end in 2001 and When people are very green and naive and they don't know about the industry Those kind of people will come after you and if they want your money run if they want your money run If anyone's gonna give you an opportunity They're gonna work for you and take 10% if you're union and 20% if you're non-union. So if someone's offering you an opportunity and they want your money run. Okay, so I just wanted to...disclamer. But let's circle back around and what's the question again? Well, I guess that's how did you find that act in bug and how did you, you know, go down

this path? I always find this is interesting. Were you, did someone approach you and they thought you would be an afterlatic or was it something that you perceived? Well, it was always in my bones and in my soul. So I grew up very soulful and cultured and just really unconditional from the heart. My mom was a singer and we were always watching entertainment things together. So naturally, it was celebrated, singing and poetry and literature and those kind of things. So there was a warm invitation

and we would dance with my mom. We were kids, like 80s music. So I just, it was an intuitive hit. It was a calling, it was a knowing, it was a force within my being where I was like hungry and pursued it, right? Yeah. So when we were at Ponderosa one time, it was like a Friday and we'd

always go to Ponderosa. I was like the buffet and literally this family came up to me and they were asking my mom and dad, can we have our signature? And they thought I was Alicia Silverstone. And so that would happen and I would be with my dad places and we were in line and they were like, are you a model? Oh, you should model like people with it was like it was like God's angels and spirits saying hey like go in this direction Do this and so people people would say like oh, you're like so gorgeous. Are you a model? You should model and And so that kind of like percolated things and started bubbling within within selves. Yeah. Yeah, and for you, what was that breakthrough? For you that, you know, kind of launched your career?

The thing that probably launched my career was when I made the move to California and I went through a series of having a full team and going through the motions of the process and the craft of acting, studying with William Alderson, the Meisner technique, and Booking CSI New York. So that was my first on-screen, carry role I call it with Gary Sinice, and the Greek actor too, who's on the show, who I played with as well. And so he gave me the best compliment in my whole entire career.

I know when we were just one on one and they do the close stuff, the medium belong and they do the reverse on the cameras. And he said, you're a very soulful actor and when he said that to me it was just like so endearing and I didn't like I took it in but now talking about it was like wow to receive that golden nugget so early on in your career is just really you know magnificent I think. Yeah. Yeah, what? I mean, what a wonderful compliment to get, especially on one of your earliest acting gigs. I would do it. And my team, they really loved it too, because

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And then when she did that film, she was only paid like $3,500, but she did it anyway and look with it, launch. But the thing that I thought was funny is I happened to hear Matthew McConaughey talk about how he kept getting tight cast for rom-cons. And he's like, if I do another rom-con, I'm never going to be able to do anything else. So he's like, someone offered me two million to do it. Then they came back and offered me for and he goes eventually I got up to 18 and I told him no every single time and he goes if I would have said yes You know, I would have never got my Oscar and I never would have gotten this and I so it is interesting in that industry how you can get tightcast 1000%

1000% and I was always fighting that. Just just the same as with everything I've done in my career thus far, I didn't only want to focus on one thing, I wanted to do multiple things when people are like, oh, only do one thing. And I chose to, you know, be the rebel with the cause, right? So I did multiple things, but I had to make sure within my acting that I wasn't going to be tight cast as well, you know, be the rebel with the cause, right? So I did multiple things, but I had to make sure within my acting that I wasn't going to be typecast as well, you know, because they tried to do it earlier on in your career.

And I just like bought it and wasn't interested in it. Now, I have not been offered 18 million and I hope one day in the near future, I will. So that would be super cool. But I know exactly what you're saying and what he means is, yeah, 1000%. And that takes a lot of courage for an actor and a lot of will and strength to know yourself, socrates, know by self, and understand your craft and your talent to know that you can do so much more. That's why in the digital age of electronics and stuff, a lot of like the actors, Jonah Hill and Ellen Page, you know, they were going to the union to sag after and they were on panels and they would say, hey, with your cell phone, with the electronics, just go out and shoot

something. And as creators, as humans, we have things that are inside us, we just want to like get it out, but we're waiting for someone else to validate us and give us the opportunity. And so it was like a blindfolded permission to go out there. I saw Blue is the warmest color. She's a Greek actor in Europe and she came over and she was talking about the director and how he was like, they had no hair, no makeup

and they were just doing all these scenes. So then I went out. It was after I did this commercial with Delta for the Olympics, right? The Winter Olympics. And I met this cinematographer, and he took the red camera from the set and all the equipment because all the tech guys, you know, they're all friends and they do things for friends and favors and stuff. And we got all that stuff. I got a location, I produced it and I shot a piece called Red A. And it's something that I needed to get out. I wanted to explore jealousy. I wanted to

explore the emotion of anger. I wanted to explore getting like a girl who had it all figured out and then social media came and she got a boyfriend and then she got involved. We think she wouldn't social media came and she got a boyfriend and then she got involved. We think she wouldn't normally get involved and she kind of got lost along the way. It's like this psychological thing where it's like demonic versus angelic and there's the juxtaposition within the short film.

And then she comes out on the other side when she like talks to herself. But no one was gifting me that role and so I gifted it to myself and I made the short film about it and so that's a way that that can showcase the not only get it out of my being in my spirit but you put it out to the universe to show the universe even if no one sees it you're you're showing up for the universe and you're letting them know like this is who I am this is what I want I'm not standing for anything less and so it, you're showing up for the universe and you're letting them know, like, this is who I am,

this is what I want, I'm not standing for anything less. And so it builds your hootspile, it builds your strength for that determination to pave your own lane, right? And so I love Matthew McConaughey and the role she's done and I love comedy and I love drama. You know, they're like, oh, comedy or drama, I'm like, well, not just one, I can be both. the role he's done and I love comedy and I love drama. Oh, comedy or drama, I'm like, well, not just one, I can do both.

And so you just do it, right? And not the illusion in the hacks of like needing everyone to validate you and to see it, just create it and make it happen. Well, you never know what someone is going to be like and I've got a quick story for you that I think you'll like. So I lived in Austin.

We used to get to this church called River Bend, and we've been going there for a little bit of time, and it was an amazing church because you would walk in and you would be like, man, that sounds like Chris Tomlin, or that sounds like the lead singer from this Christian rock band, and it would be. They just had this draw where they could pull in these people. And so it was just a very popular place. But one day, a family sits down to two rows in front of us,

and we always sat in the same place. And I keep looking at the guy and I'm like, man, he looks so familiar. You know, where have we been at recently? Where I've seen him, but it looked different because he was kind of bald. He looked really thin. And my ex-life just nails me in the side and she goes, you idiot, you're ruining this for me, that's Matthew McConaughey. And so, what was,

what was amazing about this is, you hear stories about what Matthew was like. And I got to know him for about 18 months. That he was going to the church and unfortunately, he stopped going because paparazzi started bothering him, which to me is a whole nother thing. But my son was going through a really hard time at that time. We had moved him to Austin. He was struggling to find the right group of kids. He had gotten into the wrong group of kids. He didn't want

to go to church. And then suddenly not only does Matthew show up and he's carrying his kids on his shoulders and he's not the type who just walks out of church and disappears. He's at the playground, he's on, he's shooting basketball with the kids, he's talking to the kids and it completely changed my son and his willingness to come in and it actually gave him confidence. So, to me, I have a lot of respect for Matthew and the person that people don't get to see behind the scenes. Anyway. Oh, I have chills.

That is so sweet. Well, when I work with him in the near future, I'll share with him this story. Well, I hope you get to, because he seems like he'd be an awesome person to get to do that with. Yeah, 1000%. So I'm going to turn this in a different direction. How in the world did you become Cartoon Katie?

That's a good question. That's a really good question. So what happened was I was I was 2016 I think it was Bradford May is a director and he called me up. He had a stand in for this movie he was directing and like the stand in wasn't available and he asked me if I was available and a stand-in is someone who stands in for the lead actor it was Blow his name Casper He was with JLo for a few years. He started off as a dancer He's a dancer and then he did this boxing movie anyway Bradford made Call me up and ask me if I would be a stand-in and made call me up and ask me if I would be a stand-in and like I'm a principal actor right I'm a I'm a principal actor so it's like a stand-in is like interesting but I you know worked travel the

world whenever we were came back and so it kind of ties into what you were saying earlier or what we what mentioned earlier that that I'll tie here, but the thing about success and no ego and not being too good because I've already done this and that it's all about relationships and it's also all about going to the map. Just because you're an Olympian runner and you've got the goal, doesn't mean you're gonna get the goal next time.

So although like I already did, I'll did all these heavy hitters, I was literally, I accepted the invitation, I said yes, and it made so much money. Like I, I'm those are first I'm ever standing in, and it was it, it was like a 16-week gig. So like it was consistent work. I made so much money, and my car actually, he liked my car, so my car is a lead in the movie. So not only is my car a lead in the movie. So not only is my car lead in the movie I was a standard and I got this amazing you get like an amazing bump for your car

So my car was being paid to be in the movie, too. It was so cool. So while I'm on set I Remember like there was someone in the crew department who was doing the sound and there and and they know me They've like they know who I am and what I've done. And they look at me and they're just like, like, what are you doing here? Like, why are you doing this kind of job? You know, and this person was puzzled,

like, you worked with General Patino and now you're like doing a standing job, you know? So it's like, maybe there was that feeling at first of like, but it's like, no, humble. Like, I am here and there was an opportunity and I want to work and I want to show up and I want to make money and I want to like rebuild myself up and like prove myself to myself, right?

That's the cool thing about cross-country running is like, you're even though it's a thing, you're proving yourself to yourself. It's kind of like an interpersonal game, especially when I go for like auditions and things. I'm never really competing with anyone else. I'm really always like, and I don't want to say I'm competing with myself too, but I'm always just like having an interpersonal game within myself, right? To go to the next level. Wait, but why am I telling you this story? What was the question?

How you became cartoon-fade? Oh, there we go. Here we go. So I'm I'm on this job, right? And the cool thing was I was like doing so many auditions and the director because he knows like I'm an on screen actor model and Voice over talent when I had auditions or even a job at a job He would let me leave and go and come back and like it was so cool He was like it was so awesome But anyway, there was three Katie's on set. The cinematographer was Katie. There was another Katie and there was me. And because my voice, he coined and called me Cartoon Katie. And that's how I branded Cartoon Katie because of my voice and I do animation, video games, commercials. And I'm with Vox through the type

five voiceover agency in the world. And um um doc, he's called the VO doctor, the voiceover doctor. If you want to work in voiceover, you just go to, you just Google the voiceover doctor, see Bill Holmes, tell him, we sent you over there. And he'll just have a phone conversation with you and he'll let you know like, if you're a trailer voice, video games, promo, because there's so many different areas That you can work or if like your voice is hot right now or that's 80s or like this is what's popular?

So he's amazing. So he taught me about earlier on in 2014 about branding and how like so then I was just you know contemplating like What's my brand what's my brand? Yeah, and then Brad from May said, cartoon Katie. And so I've always felt like a walking talking billboard and cartoon, so it just stuck. Yeah, that's how it happened. So is that where you do most of your voiceover work now is in cartoons or is it beyond that?

Yeah, commercials. I'm the voice of Wendy's. I just recorded three campaigns for Wendy's, which is awesome. You can see when you see the spots. There's Barry and Melinda, the Repuppeteers, and I'm Melinda, and it's my voice. And so, um, that's very exciting. What? How cool is that? And then you get to see it on TV. That must be awesome. exciting. What? How cool is that? And then you get to see it on TV. That must be awesome. Yeah, and I was in Vegas for my birthday. And as long as I have my my TLM 103 and my my studio setup, the quality Soundproof studio setup for like my home, my kid on the go and the ethernet cable.

I was able to put the ethernet cable right in and I was in Vegas the day before my birthday, my birthday week, like recording three campaign, three national huge campaigns. It was the coolest thing ever. I can be in Bali. I can be anywhere in the world as long as I have technology with me. I'm good. So long as I have the internet. Well, it's so much fun. I love voiceovers. I coach people. So I take during the pandemic, I took my cross-country approach when we had some downtime, and I started doing industry coaching because everyone's on their own journey.

So I'll do a Google document and give everyone a one month, three months, six month plan, a year plan. And voiceovers, it's a cross-country. It's for the long haul. If you just wanted to make the money, forget about it. If you have the love for it and you build, you need about one year to study the craft before you even do a demo rail. So I started doing that to pay it forward with people.

I think it's kind of like podcasting. I probably studied it for, you know, people ask how in the world have you, are you already in the top 1% of podcasts you haven't been around for a year? Well, I studied it for at least a year before I got into it and then I got very specific on what I wanted to do and then practiced a whole bunch before I ever even did the first one. So to me, I put your saying resonates because you got to be passionate about it. I mean, you have a podcast

yourself, which we'll talk about, but I mean, it takes a lot of work. Yeah, yeah. And the thing is, it's like with now with voiceovers, it's the craft. Number one, it's the craft. It's tech. It's the tech. And as a fellow podcaster, you're already set up with soundproof and with the the mic and the tech stuff and editing. So that's you have an upper hand there. And then the third aspect where you have an upper hand as well, you specifically is the cross country mentality. And that's what I teach my clients because it's psychological when you get into the booth to be able to car-parmentalize and show up to the mic with your craft and your choices. But then it's like the gun goes off and you're off to the races until the job's done.

Nothing gets in the way until you do everything and you send it in and it's like a lightning bolt. So it's mind-body spirit. It's the craft, it's the tech, and it's psychological. And that's how I am such a great coach with empathy and compassion and patience with the short term medium-term and long-term goals. And so that's one thing, and then the other thing, but did you want to say something? No, I was just going to say I might have to reach out to you after this, because I've always thought about doing voice-over work, but I was like, how in the world do

you even get into it? Well, you call the voiceover doctor. There you go. Yeah, I can guide you on your way and anyone tuning in, they can go to Chinaucus.com, my website, and sign up for some coachings. But yeah, we'll talk, and I'll give you some pointers and show you what's up.

And then so, the thing about podcasting, I wanted to start my podcast nine years ago. I didn't know how to get on the train tracks. And so finally, when I learned to get on the train tracks in 2019, I was off to the races. But what happened is the last five years in voiceovers, this is what happens. They say, they'll give you a celebrity prototype. For me, it's Scarlett Johansson and Mistone, Young Demi Noir. So they'll give you a sound,

like a sound. Like a voice? For my voice, yeah. They'll give you a sound tonality for commercials. Or they'll give you an animation show, a character or a movie, and then very specific of like, Mabel Pines or like, someone from Disney.

They'll give you a tone of not cartoony or cartoonie or grounded reality dry or just your normal voice right or very rarely very rarely they'll say they'll send you a clip of a podcaster and they're like we want it like this very conversational or now because audio dramas are coming in I'm getting auditions once or three times a month for audio dramas for scripted podcasts, right? So that's like those are like the four ways when they send over referrals of the tonalities of video games and shows of what they want. And so my mentality nine years ago was, you know, I want to do my podcast and have the brands and the people here my voice and call the team Just I hate we want her boys Katie Chinakis's voice. Let's have her voice, right?

Yeah, so so it goes hand in hand podcasting acting and voiceovers They go hand in hand because lastly in the 21st century now, right before it was like pumped And lastly, in the 21st century now, right, before it was like, punk, Rick, asked him, could you show it as personality through punk, he was asked in could you, and then producers, casting directors, Kade, call his team to hire him in a union scripted film. Now, people in the 21st century on social media,

you show who you are, what you stand for, mental health. I'm an advocate for LGBTQ A plus community. I'm an advocate for people who have faith. I'm an advocate for ethics, morals, and values, and paying it forward. And, you know, being a role model to the to the younger generations to my peers and to people who are older than me, you know, to shape shift and, you know, to shapeshift and revitalize their energy. This Bill Alexander, he was in the podcast and made for over 20 years. And I gave him tips and he came back and had me on his show and thanked me. He got seven radio stations on seven radio stations,

a local TV channel and revitalized his podcast from what I told him and he's back at it and he says he's filled like over 20 years younger. So then he's like 60 something years old. And like that touches me and I want to make an impact for all. So if I can do that of, you know, my over 20 years in experience and entertainment and arts and in inner entertainment with ethics, morals values, and traveling the world and say,

hey, it's not right or wrong, but this is how I started. This is my story and this is the trajectory of where I wanted to go or where it has gone. I can say, hey, what I did in 10 years of, you can do it in two months, cool, let's hack it together. And I want to hold hands that I feel like I'm one of God's angels and that's one of my purposes in life to be the voice because I remember when I was 12 and I had ancient wisdom in me and I was always getting this ancient wisdom and I'm like I wish someone would leave thy way

and show me and I said I'm gonna do that for other people. I'm gonna do that because other people can, some people do and I find more people can do that, you know, take more action for one another. Because that's awesome. So when you were 12, were people calling you an old soul? Yep. My whole life. It's interesting how some people have that. I'm guessing you might be an M-PAP as well. Yes, I'm an M-PAP and an HSP-A-Hiley sensitive person.

Yes, it doesn't surprise me. I'm sure the M-PAP has helped you significantly in your career, especially with your profession. Really, really, really has, really has, on a personal level, on a professional and personal level by being a quiet observer and as a human being an observer, on a professional level, cool, on a personal level, staying quiet, I felt restricted without letting my emotions out right and so I had some interpersonal challenges with that with being okay with not being okay and being vulnerable and growing through the journey to find out the power of vulnerability, Brunei Brown,

and being in tune with Caroline Mice, NYSS Mystic Intuitives, to be open with my heart and be okay with letting it out, because I'm a poet and I mean, I could just cry every day and I write about love, that's the kind of poet I am. And the dad's side of my family is all unconditional, unconditional with culture and stuff and then the other side of my family, you know, you kind of don't show your emotions. You don't talk about what's going on, but it's important to let

people know what's going on in a healthy way. So it dissipates. So you can get to the next thing. Is it a holding onto that pent up stuff? That's miscalculated. And then you don't talk to people for one, one day, two days that turns into 10 days that turns into 10 months that turns into 10 years and that's so sad, you know, when I was younger coming to California, seeing like how close I was with my family and then people said, oh, they don't even go home for the holidays and they don't even talk to their family. And it's just it was so sad to

me and now I understand how that happens because three days turns into three decades and then they're gone. From one belief and one miscommunication, if someone had more empathy and compassion and just communicate, communicated, I'm not okay here. Hey, this thing, but it was like, oh, it wasn't blue, it was actually green. Oh, it was?

You know, just so small-minded. So, so, like in our heads instead of in our hearts and in our gut and we're primal beings. So, it's why I want to be able to bust out of the illusion in the cage of not being able to show the emotion, like allowing it to come out is so important. No matter how it comes out, let it be the ocean waves coming out messy.

Start messy, one step at a time. Well thank you for being so vulnerable about that and I'm sure of a listener who's tuning in to this would be sitting here thinking Katie has got all of this. She's an actress, she's you know it's kind of for Aniston, she knows Nicholas Cage. She doesn't have bad days. And I think what people feel to realize is we all have bad days. And what did you learn within yourself that allowed you to become this authentic self that you are, which is why I really wanted you on the podcast is because you are authentic. I don't think it should be cartoon, Katie.

I think it should be authentic, Katie, because that's what you represent. But I'm sure it's in become that overnight. And thank you so much. And I'll take note of that authentic, Katie, for branding. Thank you. I'll take note of that one. And it's honestly, it's a journey, and I'm still growing through it. It's a transition and it's a continuum and that's the beautiful thing about life. You have these a-haz and then

you're kind of calculating and it's a daily practice to show up. It's how we respond to what happens. So for example a lot of people they don't want that scary bad thing to happen or that break up or to be alone or that thing because of how tormenting or how our tornado was. But we're not going to react to it how we once were because we've evolved and grown so much, we're not going to react to it in the same way. So although it may be a scary place to go to, we don't have to react how we once did. And in our minds, we think we're gonna do that's the fear. But we're actually gonna have God's grace

and the tools that we've learned from listening to podcasts and people like Abraham Hicks and Caroline Mison, Dr. Joe D'Spenza and Gabor Mote, who demystifies trauma and how we're all traumatized. And so with the day of the Information and actually knowing the knowledge and then hacking and applying it. We're not alone We don't have to grieve alone. We don't have to do the hard days alone We were taught to isolate to go to your room and cry and to put stuff your head in a pillow and cry and

To be alone But my girlfriend was just telling me about this book recently and we're very primal beings and a lot of the pack when they get together they reach homeostasis and all the negative ions and all those tormenting things aren't there anymore because they're a pack and they heal together. Congregations going to communities and churches, they come together to grieve when someone passes, when people come together, you come together as a collective. So we don't have to isolate and be alone.

And when we communicate those short-term beliefs and those things, we can get through those things together instead of growing through those things alone. We may need time to be alone and that's okay. That's okay and do that. But then also, don't go off the cliff, like come back. And there's no going back, actually. Go forward and find new ground with new people,

even if it's just one. It doesn't have to be with everyone you already knew and what you already always known. Like, that's the cool thing about showing up with the white canvas. And I highly suggest mastery of love by Miguel Ruiz. And we're very primal beings and never domesticated. And so breaking out of our own prisons and getting in spirit inspired, shape shifting the energy. One step at a time, one breath at a time,

and it's so important, people don't understand and it's woo-woo, but what we breathe in and what we breathe out, and just be aware of the breath of when it comes out, like when I'm in a trauma's triggered state or anxiety or frantic or whatever, the breath will be choppy like an ocean wave. So just whim off. H-O-F is great. He has a 10-minute thing. Just to get really deep within the body, it moves the energy around and just it really allows us to get into our body because we have these 60 to 70,000 thoughts per day according to

Dr. Dota Spenza and it's like a cross country running track. We're just going around in circle to have to get past those neurotransmitters and those concrete thoughts that we have and to break into those is shape shifting your attention. We can only focus on one thing at a time. What are we focusing on? People if they're stuck, they're focusing on what they don't want and they're magnifying more what they don't want.

So it's like, what do I want? Toes in the sand, toes in the sand, journal, toes in the sand, journal what you do want, journal what you don't want, but journal what you do want. Well, it's amazing how many people credit the law of attraction or the law of attraction or the law of the universe for getting what comes to them. And I'm a true believer that if you imagine yourself

in the life that you want, you can then start taking the steps to go after it. But you've got to be able to make that choice that you're willing to pursue it, then kind of perceive what you think your life can become and then take the liberate actions to get there. And you know, one of the things that you just brought up, I call it the mosquito auditor phenomenon. And what I mean by it is sometimes just like pesky mosquitoes are around you, you've got to get the pesky mosquitoes out of your life. And I call them like the invisible suffocators, the pain in the asses, the, you know, etc. who, whether it's actions that

you're taking, habits that you formed, people that you're hanging out with, sometimes they're just taking you, all of them are taking you down the wrong path to accomplish that thing that you want to accomplish. Yep, I call them leeches. You just don't even know they're leeching on you. And they're just, little by little, you're helping out everyone like a butterfly,

you're helping out everyone, and they're just distracting you and they're just sucking you and you just just take off the leeches, one by one, you take off the leeches and they're just distracting you and they're just sucking you and you just take off the leeches one by one or take off the leeches and you're like, whoa, you have all this abundance and all this energy for for you. Well, and not feeling guilty about it. And the thing is, if something's going on in life, don't feel guilty and if you want to feel guilty, feel guilty, but it's okay to cry for a day or three days or for a week, like let it out.

Breathing is so important. It's cry, let it out, sleep it off, like sleep, sleep, like really sleep. The body repairs itself and sleeping off the heavy weight, the emotions will pass, sleep it off. Don't feel guilty for sleeping. The body needs to rest. Our body

is, you know, our intelligent. That's how I'm still grateful for cross country. Because it's not just your mind brain. We have our heart brain, we have our gut brain, and we have the brains in our intelligence of our body, you know, on a cellular level. And so as an empath, like, I'll let you and I'll listen to my body, I'll listen to what my body says and my moving this way, my moving this way, like taking steps to trust our bodies more, you know, sleep it off. If I'm like, I'm staying in bed till 12, I just am. And I'm just going to sleep it off. It's okay to do that.

But then I know I'm going to get up and go to the mat again. It's okay to do that, but then I know I'm gonna get up and go to the mat again. Well, I think that's amazing advice. Well, I was hoping if you don't mind that I could read something because I got to read parts of your poetry book and I thought this passage was just beautiful. It says, it's driving me crazy, the ceiling inside. I can't call you, I'm thinking, feeling you, I don't understand this love. One day is everything is so perfect, so precious,

so fine, so pure. The next day we were so infected, please, why has love poisoned us? And then it goes on beyond there. But, you know, I could feel the emotion from you and those words coming up the page. And I was I'm reading that so the listeners can get a sense of what's in your book. But can you kind of talk about where this poetry book came from? Yeah. So on that piece specifically,

So on that piece specifically, I was in Malibu when I wrote that piece and it's really apropos to the days, to the, if you look at the universe and when you read that first poem in the book of a lover's fairy tale, oh my podcast is called She's All Over the place, by the way. She's all over the place podcast. 68 episodes available to tune into. But I love her spary tale. If you look at, look how beautiful our lives are and how great everything in them, one day we're just like poisoned, right? So it's like, that's what happened with the pandemic. It's like, we didn't realize how great we had it until what happened now people like oh my god, and it's like

You know like we took advantage of like what we had that was so good So a lover's fairy tale. I was a little girl and my trip my great dream was a travel to world and I Was celibate for seven years. I have no sex and I made a commitment to I was celibate for seven years. I had no sex and I made a commitment to myself and to God into the universe That I wanted to explore the world untainted and I wanted to see the life and the fruits and the culture and everything life Had to offer me and fill up my cup fully and really receive the gift of life before going and having a family and having children I'm like oh because I heard when I was a kid when you up child What was that about you your life's over? That's not true and having a family and having children on my own because I heard when I was a kid when you up child, what was thought about you, your life's over,

that's not true. You, I'm sure you have new forms of life, but you know, some, there are some scripts appearing that, growing up, so I'm like, I really wanna make a choice and I made a both strong choice to, you know, I saw girls and boys and how they were players or intimacy issues and crying and my boyfriend just want me to do this and I'm like, I don't wanna deal with any of that stuff.

Like I just wanna like see why I'm here. So I went around the world and I wrote poetry and I was in ecstasy in Nirvana and I was in these magical places with dolphins and waterfalls and castles and all these great places and I was writing these poetry. And so a love of fairy tales were all genders and all ages about the magical gift of life and the universe of love,

of unconditional love, untainted, and it's a fantasy. And so I write it in hopes, you know, there are a lot of people who don't travel the world. There's a lot of people who just wanna stay in their hometown, but I know through literature, we can go everywhere around the world without leaving our homes. And so for the people who travel and who can identify with the places and the people who like love and the people who want to be inspired and the people who haven't gone to these places and they read my poetry, they can have a slice of that gift from me and essence in the presence of how

we're all connected through divine grace. And they can, you know, get out of their own mind, you know, and shape shift into inspiration. So that is my goal for a lover's fairy tale. And if they go to lover's fairy tale.com or chanapas.com, there's an email, there's an automation, and it sends a playlist of visceral spoken word music videos that I produced to nine out of the 11 pieces. Okay, well that's great. Well, and I have enjoyed reading it, so thank you for the copy that you sent me. I appreciate it. That's right.

Well, I did. I mean, I can't be a podcaster and not talk about your podcast. So that was going to be one of the next topics. So your podcast is seasons, and you pick specific themes. Is that correct? Yes. Season three was poetry. Season four, it's women empowerment and it's exploring divine femininity in all genders and also I'm definitely heavy in the blockchain NFT space. So it's educational information about NFTs and blockchain, but it's not financial advice.

It's just sharing other people's stories of how they got into the space and what they're doing as artists to utilize the new Web 3 and the revolutionary time that we're in. Okay, so I have to go to the Senate fee thing. I mean, I hear Tom Belliou talking about it. I heard Michael Sayler talking about it. I have friends who are doing it I know you put these things on an app called Open Seas, but I don't understand the whole mechanics behind it because you know, I'm seeing

NFTs that are these crazy graffiti monkeys that are getting Yeah, they're getting hundreds of thousands of dollars. Millions. So if you're someone and they don't understand NFTs, and I feel like I am such an novice in this, what is this phenomenon all about? And why should we all be getting into it? It's a non-fungible token. That's an NFT and it's decentralizing the way everything is because we're shapeshifting

into evolved new dimensions and it's not a quick thing like get rich overnight. It's community building and onboarding people. So to onboard you, to onboard people, especially onboarding more women in the space, a voice for people to show them how to do it and introduce them to people who are doing it better than I am. And it's a community. It's kind of like this, where there was the gold rush

and everyone came to California to physically mine gold. And now with technology and how smart we are and how great things are, it's mining digitally. So it's the choices that we're making and we're mining digitally without having to physically mine. Okay. Well, I think that's a great explanation as good as anyone I've heard. I did. And it's great for artists. There's no gas fees for artists. The collector pays the gas fees when they pick up the piece. It's bringing power back to the artist because if you're a musician or you know have a physical painting and a gallery, you have a book, you have to jump through Hoops, to find a book publisher, to find a gallery,

it's a jump through Hoops, you have to get the validation outside of you. Now, I can do my work, it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks, I can just put it up on a platform, going into 2022, I was just at Art Balsall, and I'm gonna actually be curating a whole series with HeyLare. And it's all about women empowerment and women in the space of NFTs in the blockchain. So I'll be releasing some projects on there, which is really exciting.

I'm here the first to know because I just had the meeting with the teen yesterday. And yeah, and so basically, I can put up the piece, and then I can set the commission rate of 10%. So every time, let's say the Mona Lisa or my artwork or any piece sells, every time it sells and resails, I get that 10% every time. Although it'll resell and resell and resell because of the intelligence of blockchain,

I'll get that 10% that's like the standard you put it at. That's what I put it at 10%. I'll get that 10% back. Now if you sell it to a gallery and you sell it, you just get it to one-off commission. There's no residual income. So it's kind of like being a union actor, I get residual income because I do it in cycles. But as a non-union actor, you'll get paid like 3,000, 20,000, 50,000,

and then you won't get the money again. It's a one and done and they can use it for the rest of time. But in the union, it's residual. So with the blockchain, for artists, you have this amazing photo of Nause, which my friend does. He puts it on the blockchain, for artists, you have this amazing photo of Nause, which my friend does. He puts it on the blockchain, someone buys it.

Every time it sells, he gets 10% of that every time. Okay. It's generational wealth. And your podcast can be NFTs. You can release your podcast as NFTs. Oh, my podcast is releasing as NFTs. Oh my God, it has to be releasing as NFTs. So the album cover or the actual... The album cover, the episodes, all selling them as NFTs.

You can do one-on-one, you can do limited edition, there can be like a collection. It's anything you want. It's any, there's no rules. It's whatever you want. The most important thing is there's's any, there's no rules. It's whatever you want. The most important thing is there's a white paper. It's the contract. So just read the white paper before getting involved with anything.

And also, you cannot, when you get wallet, there's hard wallets and cold wallets. You want to get a hard wallet. And when you get a wallet, like I met a mask, but when you get wallet, but they're making the technology a lot simpler so people don't have to do seed phrases in certain things like that, because people are losing their wallets and then you lose everything. So you have to be a smart shopper. It's responsible, you know, that they are making technology platforms easier, so people

don't have to do some of those things things where you can actually just use your credit card Okay, well, and then the last thing I did want to go into is who is Katy off Kiriaki Yes, Kiriaki is a saint saint Kiriaki is who I'm after. I'm named after my ya, my best friend in the world. She's 92, she's growing strong, she's healthy. I'm so much like her, she's a poet, it's where I get my poetry from, she sings, she dances, she's gorgeous, she's amazing.

She's from the island of Heos. The village is called, the South Village called Carzamula and she came over from the old country to provide a better life for her now family and I went to California to provide a, you know, opportunity for my family as well. And, uh, Kiriaki is a saint, she was a margar, and it also means Sunday in Greek. Simeira Veni Ni na kiriaki. Today is not Sunday. See me re ena kiriaki. Today is Sunday, really,

so I'm gonna send this on a Sunday. So, Sekiriaki is a home named after, and yeah, so I've always, it's really weird because people call me Kati Chinakis or Kiriaki or Kiki was my nickname or Kati Coco. So I've always had like all these different names. St. Kiriakki was a prominent saint and through my musical journey as modeling growing up my

comp card was Kiriakki and acting was Kati Chinakis. And 11-11 my birthday I released a debut solo album called Dreamland 11-11 and it stream me everywhere and I have two music videos on my YouTube channel. And St. Kirieki is me honoring who I'm named after her dedication to the Lord and who she was. And I've had ceremonies with her because I was needing to feeling the responsibility to build big shoes, you know, at a very young age. And I was actually holding myself back a lot. And, you know, kind of, I don't want to say watching or living in her shadow.

But I had to do like a ceremony to dismantle who she is, what she's served, what she stood for, to say, hey, like I got this in the 21st century, in the new world, still with honor and dignity, but honoring her story and her lineage, and I feel it's a part of my calling to do that as well through you know being one of God's angels and so that's who St. Katie is and I'm excited to share more of her with people through you know

my culture of Greek tradition and that is you know being an honor and with your word and dedicated with ethics, morals, and values and sacrifice too. Okay, well great. Well, thank you for telling us all about that and the linkage to you and why it's so important. So if someone who's listening today wanted to know more about you, what are some of the ways that they can reach on social media? I'm on all social media platforms, every single one you can think about. So just Chinakis, CHO, and ACAS, web my website, chinakis.com, links to all of them too. So that's the best way

and you can contact me through my website and then support you know, support my work. Subscribe, like on YouTube, I'm on all the social media platforms, Twitter, Katie Chinakis, Instagram, Chinakis, Clubhouse, LinkedIn. Yeah, so yeah, I'm on Patreon, but I haven't really, you know, focused on it. But if you all want to sponsor my, or sponsor be a part of my Patreon, I don't have the legs going on that one yet, but yeah. Okay, well, make sure they're all, go ahead. Yeah, but listen to the podcast.

I mean, for more valuable information, she's all over the place. Podcasts is definitely tuned into 68 episodes. Get caught up because we're launching the Women Empowerment series coupled with the Divine Femininity, which goes hand in hand with my album Dream Land 11-11 under St. Kidd Yaki. It's all about exploring Divine Femininity and all genders and claiming and reclaiming one's powers. I feel like I'm growing through that right now,

reclaiming my power, especially with the story I'm growing through that right now, reclaiming my power, especially with the story I just told you, you know, not living in someone else's shoes and reclaiming my power as a young adult. Awesome. Well, Katie, I always end up on campus by asking the guests for your four fun questions. So I'm going to ask you two that have nothing to do with acting and then two with the bad acting. So the first one I always like to ask us is you are selected by NASA to be one of the astronauts who gets to go explore a new planet and they tell you you can put in one rule or law that will stay forever for that planet. What would you take? One rule and law to be forever on that planet. Everyone must have and lead with kindness

only, only kindness. If it's not kind, no one speaks. There's only kindness in compassion. Okay. If you got to be the guest host for the late, late show one night and you could have an artist in the car with you to do karaoke, then would you want to do it with? One artist. Yeah, I'll let you have two. I just give you so excited. I'm saying Billy Eilish. And I don't know why Justin Bieber comes up. But I mean, come on.

Arnest. artist. Lean-artored DaVinci would be super cool. Yeah, that'd be awesome. Yeah. Why? But I get like the Meryl Street. I know I'm going on a tangent. Okay. I would be fun to see Meryl Street sing. That's for sure. Yeah. We got to throw in Reese with us from there too. Come on. Yes. Why for her thing before? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. On the one where she won the Academy Award. Yes. And I think she's got a new one coming out to actually with Matthew McConaughey, which she's saying too. They're amazing. Both of them. Wow. So I'm now going to go two questions about acting. And maybe I just got the answer right there, but if there was an actor that you haven't had the chance to act with yet, who would be on the top of your bucket list?

Well, I'm going to pivot it and I'm going to say I would like to be cast on the morning show because then I get to pick Jennifer Aniston and Reese with her soon. Good answer. I'm not in this way to turn that around. Okay. And then I have to answer. Call me difficult. Call me difficult.

I have to ask you a question about Morgan Freeman to see if you can confirm this. So I had a friend when he was filming Dolphintail who did his makeup. And they would say that Morgan Freeman would be asleep. They would do the makeup. He'd get the casting call. He'd just wake up because the alert is anything walking the stage

Completely do his part sit back down the policy I thought it's like there is no way That that's what happened and he said he would just like the first time he would just nail it So my my question is Is like he that good that he just is one of those people who can just do these things and want to take? Yup, and that's how I am too. I always get it on the first shot.

And when I worked with him in Bulgaria, calm, cool, collected, walk the set, Kitas Mark, it was very graceful, acknowledged me, buy it, you know, talks with the director, buy it, it's not loud on set, making a big commotion, his energy is really like in, but hit it all as marks, we just did our scenes together and boom, like it was just like smooth, very smooth, very smooth, and I think 1000% it, I can see that being so true about what actualizing about what you said because when you're more infreement and you have probably the same makeup artist who knows you, who knows how to touch you in such a way he's so comfortable that he has this probably routine of lying

down or whatever and they just do it and he's probably like sleeping or meditating or going over his lines almost. They can actually when someone's doing your hair or your makeup, they can be very therapeutic. And if your eyes are open, you're with the lights, you're talking, you're distracted and you have to go in and prepare. It's almost better to be in a deep meditative state so you can just go so inside like a turtle, right? So introverted so you can just be here for the camera. So it's all living on inside. So I think I should use that technique moving forward. Like, you know, I think it's a great gateway

to be able to, you know, dismantle having to talk to Harry and make up and stuff because it's a very chatty time and maybe you need to prepare for a role in a way. But yeah, being more infreemony probably has his go-to person who does his face. Well, I always suspect that he was meditating, and interestingly enough, I mean, if you've seen any team of turner performances,

I'm always like, how does she deliver night in, night out? Well, an hour before, for an hour before each show, she meditates before she gets on, and imagines the performance that she's going to get. So I'm thinking maybe that's the same thing Morgan Freeman does. I do it as well. I do it as well. I made it, when I was a kid, I made an announcement

before I won Miss Michigan Teen. I put it in the paper that I was gonna run this race and went and I did it. It was in the paper before I actually went to the pageant. And my coach was like, what is this? And like I'm saying, it's printed in the paper that I'm gonna win and I get it. I got a, before I went in, I got a funny story for you.

So like three years ago, maybe a little bit longer than that, I'm at a beach bar on St. Pete Beach. And we meet, I knew one of the girls, she had a friend from Michigan, beautiful girl. But she says to us, I am going to be Miss Michigan, and I'm going to win Miss whatever it is, the nationwide contest. Last week I saw she won Miss Michigan I just like You know if it goes back to if you put it out there and you do the work to get there You know you can make your your dreams to come around

But Since you you were miss teen Michigan. I Miss miss you and teen it was motor city. So it was there was there was there's so many of them But yeah, it was miss miss. So there was, there was so many of them, but yeah, it was Miss Michigan Teen Motor City. Yeah. Okay. Well, thank you.

Thank you. And Miss Michigan Teen as well. That was a different one. Well, thank you so much for being on the podcast and sharing so much vulnerability and all that you are. Thank you. Don, I'm so grateful for you. Thank you so much for having me on.

This was a delight. And I would love to come back in the near future, like when I'm doing a big movie with Matthew Coday or Reese Witherspoon or on a new TV show or something so stay in touch now we're friends so. Okay that would be awesome. Thank you. Look me up when you're in New York or LA. I would love that too or Michigan. But we'll have lunch. Okay thank you. would love that too or Michigan. Bob, I'll have lunch. Okay, thank you.

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