Patrick and the People - 11/16/24 PATP Presents: Patrick's After School Special w/ Shaun Baker

Episode Date: December 2, 2024

Special Guest: Shaun Baker

time span uh in six years you have managed to make kind of a meteoric climb haven't you uh yeah i i think so um you know stand-up comedy is such a it's an interesting um it's an interesting thing i'm i'm a professional photographer uh for my my main gig that's how i make a living i'm a wedding photographer oh okay um hey we lost video sean i don't know if you pushed a button there or you lost some video? Yeah. I don't see you now. Let me test it. There you are. I'm back? Yeah, you're back. You're back you're back okay so uh sorry about that no no you're great you're great so anyway uh what a meteoric ride yeah um thank you it's um like i was saying it's it's it's very um stand-up comedy is a very professional uh personal thing you know so

you don't rely on anybody else you don't have a team behind you it's all about you so first starting out you know um you're just trying to learn how to construct a joke um you're going up there with like really low hanging fruit yeah right and you're just really not being authentic to yourself at all you know no i wasn't i know that i watched that show kill tony a lot you watched show? I've seen that. What a great podcast concept and execution that is, isn't it? Oh, for sure. The one thing it does is teach young starting out comedians how to write jokes. Right.

But at the same time, I see a lot of comics in that show trying to do as many jokes in one minute as possible which is a horrible idea for trying to come up with jokes it is a you know a different metric kat williams uh uses a metric of how many punch lines a minute that he gets but you have to understand that he's not just writing punch lines too and these a lot of the young comedians don't get that you know it's not a one-liner one-liner one-liner it's a story with a tapestry that has punch lines in it you know a hundred percent and and a story is like key because you know kat williams can talk you know in one minute if he was going to do a one one kill tony minute the whole story would be for just one minute with, with tons of tons of punchlines built in that's right. Where on the

podcast, you see just zero transition, one subject to the next. And then it's just, you're all over the place. And it's like, Whoa, what the hell was that? It's fun. It's a, it's exciting to listen to, but it was a big, a big, like eye opener to me. Um, so I was, I was I started as a door guy at the Comedy Store in La Jolla before the pandemic before 2020 so 2019 and that gives you the ability to be able to open up for the headlining comics when they come into town it also puts you on the best of show that takes place there every every single Thursday and then you get to do like the potluck, uh, which is the friends and family show on Tuesday nights.

Yeah. So I was doing the door there and I was taking the photos there. So you were, and then you were with all these people one way or the other. Yeah. Yes. Uh-huh. Um, but then once the pandemic ended and everybody was kind of coming back, they were like, why don't you just, why don't you just focus on the photos?

You can be our photo guy. And I was like, okay. And it was all the same perks, which is really cool. You know, the Comedy Store up in Hollywood is like such an iconic store. Absolutely. Well, you know, I can give them a call because I'm an employee of the La Jolla location. And they'll put me up on the Friends and Family show over there. And I know a lot of the managers andolla location and they'll put me up on the friends and family show over there and I know

a lot of the the managers and the staff there so um I could bring my camera and get great photos of there it's a lot of networking it's a lot of uh you know that's exactly what it is you know a lot of people forget that uh while in this it goes with music this goes with acting this goes with comedy goes with anything you do that yes talent is a huge component of it. But the other component are what happens behind the scenes where you're interacting with people, networking with people, you know, beginning to develop those tentacles of relationship. And is that how you've experienced it too? A hundred percent. There's this woman, she's a really good friend of mine. Her name is Hillary Hudson. She and her partner, Casey Currier, started mic drop comedy here in san diego um right after the

pandemic they opened up their first location um it used to be the comedy palace there was another comedy club that was located there for years um it became mic drop comedy they renovated they do themed comedy clubs um the second location was in chand, Arizona, and they're opening Plano, Texas right now. So they're building, creating the brand. But most importantly, they really, really, really care about the education of to the comics and help bring comics up. They're really great with booking. And the number one thing that they talk about all the time is that you got got to be funny enough just be funny enough and then you can get booked don't be an asshole you know be nice to

the staff be nice to the bookers be nice to the be nice to everybody in the club because you never know who's in the club and not that's that was such a uh you know it's a big learning experience because there's i'm i'm i'm a nice. Right. But I also like to talk some shit sometimes, you know what I mean? Like it's, it's part of like, you know, I'm from New York originally. That's what we do by nature. So I think that's a comedy thing. If you're a really good comedian, we just all talk shit like that, man. Yeah. A hundred percent. And, uh, but you never know who you're talking shit too. So you really, really, you gotta be careful, especially if you meet somebody for the first time at a club and then they're like oh i'm i you know i book all these clubs or i book you know like oh okay well it's a good it's a good thing you just told me

that good thing i didn't fit on you all ago yeah so to answer that question it's a lot of it's a lot of all those it's a lot of those things it's it's it's just for people starting out getting stage time is super important but also watching professional comedy is just as or more important. Yeah. Because you can get stuck in that open mic scene. And I think that you're a product of your environment. So if you're with a lot of other comics tests starting out, you know, you've got to watch the pros to really absorb what's got them there. So here's something.

You know, you've been in six years uh so six years ago you weren't doing any any stand up in your life i'm guessing uh and six years later somehow you're sitting at a table with uh joe rogan uh that has to be a surreal experience man how the hell did that even happen really you want to hear the answer yes i have i went to i went so i went to college for film and television okay and i love like video production work green screen work yeah so i just put myself on that episode did you really that is the best thing i ever heard in my life man that is the greatest thing ever heard in my life, man. That is the greatest thing I heard in my life, my brother.

You have now won me as a follower for life right there, just in that. What a brilliant move, man. I adore that, man. That is great. Now, strategically, that's an amazing thing, man. That's so smart of you. You know, it's an amazing thing, though, just looking at all of the accomplishment. And so much of it has to have to do with the relationships that you've built.

Now, being at that iconic location in Hollywood and in that area, obviously, you've run into some of probably the household names here and there. What was the moment for you where you just went, man, I can't believe this is happening right now. I can't believe I'm here. I can't believe I'm talking to this person. What is my life about? That's a great question. So, I mean, Pauly Shore,

I grew up watching Pauly Shore, all of his incredible movies, his mother, Mitzi Shore, iconic comedy story. Yeah, they started it yeah and um when paulie shore was coming down to the comedy store la jolla he knows i do the photos there so he asked me if i could record his set for him okay and that started to become a thing every time he would come down to la jolla record a set um and i think that sometimes you know guys like him and and other comedians all over the country, big names, they're touring all the time.

They meet so many people. And I think that it takes a couple of times to meet somebody and to do something for somebody until they really kind of like, oh, yeah, I know that person. Yeah, you're a human. I recognize you. Yeah, because after the first time, I feel like when i saw them the second time i was like oh i don't even think he remembers me you know what i mean right so after um a few times of doing some work for him i was at the comedy store up in hollywood and i was hanging out in the patio i was talking to a buddy of mine ari manis and then paulie comes

around the corner and he's like what's up bros and we were we were talking and he's now involved in the conversation and Aubrey's like oh Sean does you know a lot of great pictures and and Paulie's like dude I know and he's like um he's like bro you want to come see my setup and I was like yeah and I didn't even know what that meant but I was yeah yeah whatever that is yes I want to see it yeah assuming it's not your pants down yes absolutely and as a comic on the patio of the comedy store i'm thinking that that definitely crossed my mind right okay but you know what let's go let's see what you're let's see the setup so we leave we leave and then he he he lives close by um and he brings me to his house wow and and he's showing

me his setup he's showing me his green screen his cameras he's got his ideas uh what he wants to do because he's such a creative mind he's such a he's always looking to make content he's got so many great things that he does and um that moment i was just like oh my god dude yeah i watched this dude when i was a kid and I'm standing in his house and he's telling me about his video setup here. That would be very surreal. Yeah, and I'm standing on his balcony. I'm looking, I can see the comedy store.

Pauly is right here. He's asking me if I have any ideas on the way back down to San Diego. Just let him know. And I'm just like, so that's a real moment. We keep in touch. So sometimes I'll get like a text yeah and it comes up in my car while i'm driving probably sure and i'm like oh my god but so it's a it's always yeah it's always the same feeling you know yeah it's like oh snap yeah hold on a minute let me pull over i'm gonna take this one

you know yeah i'm not gonna make i'm not leaving him on red i'll tell you that nope no no that's that's great man i mean i think that's fantastic it's always great when you meet someone that you know you held in a certain regard and they turn out to be a good human being you know they're not a deal yeah uh because so many people man i you know i i've been in broadcast for 20 years and and and I did stand up as well for many years and periodically I do but but I've met almost every modern rock star you can think of and some of them are just the most gracious people in the world Lizzie Hale for example I met her and she was the sweetest person in the world she hugged my neck like we were family, bro. It was really cool, yeah.

But then there's other people in there, you know, they don't care. They don't give a damn. You're nobody to them. And, you know, as a fan, as someone who cares and invests their time in it, it means something when someone is cool to you, you know, and doesn't condescend to you or not not even uh regard you know yeah when they when they put because we look at these people we put them on this pedestal we've got them at such a high level yeah but when when you meet somebody cool like that and they're coming down to your

level and you're just people shooting the it's like it's like wow this person is like is a real like real good real good dude. Adam Ray is the same way. Not to like, I don't want to name drop, but he came down to the Mic Drop Comedy Club in San Diego. I recorded one of his shows for him. The person who he had hired to do the other shows that he was doing while he was there

kind of like messed up the audio real bad. So I was able to- He needed somebody new immediately, yeah. So I did it did a did a great job for him um and i was able to fix the audio on all the other shows that the other person did oh wow so when he was like hey man i'm gonna be in la jolla at the comedy store in like seven months you want to record can you record all all my shows for me there and i was like oh of course dude and you know um you know he took he took really good care of me uh the communication's great such a nice guy when he sees you and he's already talking to other people he's like excuse me for a second he comes over and he makes the time for you like

that's cool one of the nicest guys that i've ever met this yeah yeah now that's super cool to have that kind of experience now you know having uh got into it a little later in the game were you a fan of i mean you said you watched polly shore as a later in the game were you a fan of I mean you said you watched Pauly Shore as a kid so you like comedy as a kid I'm guessing oh yeah big fan so when you know when was the first time that you saw someone you know doing maybe stand up and you said man that's I want to be like that I I love that you know you know it's funny because ever since I was a little kid I always wanted i always wanted to do it and i uh remember being in like middle school trying to fall asleep at night but just like

you know you think about things before you fall asleep until you finally drift off and a lot of the things that were coming in my mind was me performing on stage making people laugh yeah i don't really know where exactly where that came from but it used to keep me up i used to have to change it and say stop thinking about that think of something else yeah because it's it's so it was so exciting to me that it would prevent me from falling asleep amazing yeah I think I grew up watching Saturday Night Live with my mom a lot she was a big fan of Saturday Night Live yeah so ever since I was a little kid I would watch that show with her and as I got older I just just continued to watch that show. I used to go

to school, middle school, high school, and me and a couple of my really good friends, they would always watch the show. So it was always exciting to come back to school the next day and just talk about the end show. Like, oh God, remember when Chris Kattan came out and did this? And then just redoing the sketches. It was just always i think that brought me and my friends together we were always laughing like when you know when you laugh so hard that it's uncomfortable oh yeah absolutely of course that's the best it is the best so so you were probably watching during the time of uh you know dana carvey uh sandler uh will ferrell uh all of those uh those folks like that is that is that right yes and even in even earlier Yes, and even earlier.

You know, even earlier. Because my mom watched it when I was a little kid. So if I came out, you know, she would let me watch it with her for a little while. But yeah, I remember. I'm a little older. But Eddie Murphy was my guy when I was younger. And I saw him in the Delirious, it was called. It was a red jumpsuit that he wore a lot of people.

It's iconic. Amazing. The set. And I talk about it all the time, you couldn't do it now. But man, as a kid, it was the funniest thing I'd ever heard in my life. And I'd never heard anybody use that kind of language either. And so it was like, wow. And now, of course, he's grandfathered in from Shrek. It's just like Ice Cube.

It's like everybody forgets who they were. But it was so inspiring to me. and I wanted to be that guy. I wanted to get on a stage and be that guy, you know, that people loved and thought was funny. So it was Eddie Murphy that did it for you? Yeah, absolutely, man. Now, you know, I wouldn't say he was a great influence because I was so young. So I think subconsciously he's always there.

great influence because i was so young so i i think subconsciously he's always there uh but but i would not say he was uh the one that that i i clung to when i started out and wanted to be more like you know uh you know i think at that point that was chris rock you know chris rock was was the guy and interestingly enough uh you know i didn't't know that Chris Rock was inspired by Sam Kinison. Okay, I didn't know that either. I know. And when I heard that, it was such a revelation because, you know, I have kind of an angry rant style that I do in stand up in my comedy. It's just what I do. And people would always ask me, Sam Kinison, your guy?

And I was like, no, man, I never really watched him, you know. Now I've gone back and watched him. But it wasn't until Chris Rock said said this is who was my guy and i was like oh shit i guess i am influenced by sam kinnison after all you know that's very that's that's funny because you don't really you know you don't really think about who influences the people that you looked up to yeah who they were influenced by because everybody's influenced by somebody yeah and it's always fascinating to find out what that dna lineage is and and watch the road map of how it textures your performance you know right so what is next uh what do you what what's the ambition

now where are you going what are you doing oh man um i i think that i've been really trying to like i've been really finding myself um as a stand-up lately i think that you know it takes years to start to find your voice because like i was saying earlier you know like first it's those low-hanging fruit it's a lot of like you know like dick jokes you know what i'm saying yeah yeah and then once you start to like um it was it was it was when i was heading up to the comedy store to Hollywood and just watching, watching, watching it. I remember years ago, they would get the light, they'd have maybe like three minutes left. And then they're like, all right, I'm gonna leave you with this. Yeah. And I'm like, leave you with this. That's a whole open mic. Like three minutes is a whole open mic. And you're just going to leave them with this, you know? And then it was like a real eye opener that they're being genuine. You know, they're talking about themselves with punchlines. So that's when I really kind of started to, you know, talk about my life.

Yeah. You know, things that happened to me. I think the closer you get to authentic authentic the better it is for a couple of reasons number one it's truer and your delivery on that it reflects so but i think the other thing is it it depicts a certain amount of vulnerability uh and you don't have to struggle to remember it like you do something else something manufactured And once you get past manufactured jokes and you get into who I am, it becomes much better, you know, much better.

Yeah, and I mean, the audience sees that all the time. Absolutely. I think, can I ask you, what is your writing process? Because every comic is different. Oh, that's a great question, man. When people hear writing, I think they just assume that you're sitting down writing jokes but it's different for everybody so what is your writing process what a fascinating question that is no one's ever asked me that uh the answer though is that typically the way that i write is i'll write the skeleton of something you know this is my concept so i'm gonna write it and then

what i'll do is i'll go back and i'll start filling it in i'll backfill you know and and start layering and then i'll look at okay what channels off of this can i take and where will that go you know and and then one by the time i'm done you know with all the it's like a map that goes all the way around the bit that i'm writing so that I can look at what what channels can I incorporate into this and make it flow better. And that's now when I was young, it was different. My wife, who's also a stand up comic, when I was mentoring her, you know, and this is actually how I tell everybody to develop their five for the open mic. To me, this is the easier way to do it is, you know, you write and you write and you write until you think you got five.

Then you get an old ass tape recorder, whatever you got, your Windows microphone, and you deliver it. You don't have to go over the top. Put emphasis, put how you would do it. And then you listen to it painfully. It hurts to listen to it. It's the worst thing in the world to listen to. You will judge yourself so bad, you know, but once you do, you can start figuring out,

okay, what's working and what's not. Because there's a hell of a lot of difference between being the funny guy at work and being a funny guy in Kansas City where they don't know your ass, you know? Oh, yeah. Yeah. And I'm sure you've performed in many different places. Yeah. I mean, you know, it's funny because when I first started out, I was like sitting down,

okay, let me put my thoughts to ink here. Let me write this out. But then when I was going on stage, it very um like i just sounded like i was reading something it sounded memorized contrived yeah yeah i get you on that and then i was coming off the stage at an open mic one time and another comic said to me he's like why do you talk like that as in the passing and i was like what the fuck is he talking about you know and then uh when i got home i was listening to my tape i was like yeah why do i talk like that that's not how i talk in real life like what is this like what's happening i felt like

when i was getting on the stage i was walking through this imaginary like curtain that like stripped my personality away right because you got to get used to the stage you got to get used to the lights everybody is like okay make me laugh but the one thing about san diego i mean you mentioned kansas city the one thing about san diego it is a very young crowd out here so um if you go to like the american comedy company if you go to like the comedy store in la jolla yeah like the thursday's best show it's it's a younger crowd so i don't want to i made sure i didn't want to get into a habit of performing in front of just young people all the time no yeah so it's it's great when i when i'm out in in arizona or you know in another state in front of what what america really looks like that's correct yeah i know and

and uh i learned over time because when when i first started out look i i created a character called angry patrick and and that's that's what delivered me to where i am now you know and matter of fact today was rant number 800 800 episodes every week every friday you know that's what delivered me to where I am now, you know. And matter of fact, today was rant number 800, 800 episodes every week, every Friday. You know, that's longer than some TV shows, you know. That's amazing. Congratulations. Thank you on that. But, you know, in developing that character, you know, I began to learn that what you do in a short period and a long period are very different.

No one wants to hear you yell at them for an hour, no matter even Sam Kenison. You know, it's a ride that you take people on. And when you come in sounding like you're reading people, they figure out it's not authentic, even even if it's an authentic story. uh so yeah i i don't i i try to remember the spirit of what i've written more than i try to remember the exact language now having said that uh there are some exceptions george carlin for example a great exception of uh how rote memorization can make a comedian amazing because that dude in the middle of a set would rattle off a list that you know was very very very structured that every bit of it was calculated wasn't a single word that was random in what he was doing then but he did it very good yeah he's one of the best i mean george carlin was amazing and uh you know that's the thing about comedy is it's it has to suit your personality it has to be

authentic to you you know so um you have to be i mean confidence is king you know what i'm saying like yeah i i think that i remember also years ago being being an open mic all these things are learning experiences so when people say like you got to get on the stage as much as possible i mean you if you're a starting comic if you're listening to this and you're trying to get into stand-up i mean you've got to get out there as much as possible yeah I mean, you, if you're a starting comic, if you're listening to this and you're trying to get into stand-up, I mean, you've got to get out there as much as possible. Yeah, no, that's absolutely true. You learn little nuggets

of information along the way and you can't forget that you learned it because you have to apply it. And I remember years ago at an open mic, you know, it's like one person goes on, they bomb.

The next person goes on, they bomb. Well, somebody in the audience stood up angry and they were like, where's your confidence that's just great talking to all the all the open all of you in general yeah yeah because it just seemed so timid and everything was so structured and like trying to and recited and they're like they just wanted somebody to come out there like take control and be authentic so that was the thing that sticks with me. I listen to everything. No, that's good.

Yeah, you learn how people fail, and it helps you not to do that. I mean, that's the point. But, yeah, no, sometimes delivery, as a matter of fact, all the time almost, delivery is equal to the joke. I mean, you can have a great joke, but a poor delivery and it's going to fall. Not many people can pull off that low-key type of

comedy. Stephen Wright and Demetri Martin, those guys who play it low-key on purpose. Most of the time, that's not functional in a regular comedy environment. People don't tend to respond to that well unless they know you in advance or you're really funny really yeah funny i mean if stephen wright was in a lineup of comic after comic on one of those shows where maybe you get

like six to eight minutes i mean no no no that's what i'm saying no he couldn't he couldn't and that's not taking away from what he does. Absolutely not. I mean, he was incredible. Yeah, incredible, incredible comedian. But you had to know what you were getting yourself into with him. And then it was super exciting. You were in for a ride. Yeah, absolutely was.

Now, so tell me right now, two older comedians that you really, you know, look up to. And then tell me two new comedians that you're excited know look up to and then tell me two new comedians that you're excited about oh man okay so two older comics that i really look up to i mean i was with so i've never seen like chris farley do stand-up comedy but i watched him on saturday night live week after week yeah and that whenever he came whenever he was in a in a sketch i was like on this on the edge of my seat i've never that was the first comment that i really saw you know throw his body into everything yeah you know he was so animated and so large yes you know and watching him throw himself on kitchen, I mean, on tables and chairs and break things.

It was just something that was like, I used to mimic that. I would be walking with my friends in middle school and then it would be a bunch of bushes and I would just throw myself into the bushes. Just because of him, you know, because I was watching somebody older than me that I looked up to do it. Because of him, you know, because I was watching somebody older than me that I looked up to do it. Yeah, you know, him, Kerry, Jim Kerry, Will Ferrell all have a trait that I call fearless. And all of them were willing to completely give up any integrity, self-respect that they had in order to that sacrifice made for the joke. You know, and all of them would do so. Will Ferrell, you know, the famous more cowbell skit. He's got his pot belly out in a sweater that's way too small.

He looks like a schlub, you know, but that skit became iconic because his fearless performance in it, you know, and the same in a van down by the river, you know, where he's coming in with his belt and he's, you know, doing his Chris Farley thing. Chris Farley was genius in what he did. You know, he was amazing. Yeah.

That's a good one. He's one. I also, I love, I mean, Chris Rock was a guy that I grew up watching a lot. You know, again, Jim Carrey, just when he would come out and throw his arm behind his neck like that, just be like this character who was, who, you know, who is just transformed because you know who was just

transformed because you know that he was a person and at one point he was living out of his car so he wasn't always smiles but when he came onto the stage it was showtime you know what i'm saying and he delivered all the time yeah he was like uh robin williams in a way you know uh robin williams was that high-paced frenetic uh stream of conscious but matter of fact he's the best stream of conscious comedian i've ever seen um but he was similar in ways to carry and the way they delivered you know yeah yeah now who's a young guy you like that you're a girl that you're following or person or something i mean shane i think shane gillis right now is one of the one of the funniest comics that's killing the game that's for sure he's killing the game and for me i mean for me

especially with his whole gilly and keeves that he's got on youtube i've watched all of those because it's very like i like that sketch comedy kind of stuff and um those are hilarious uh his stand-up is just he's so funny i like his demeanor. They're very well written. He's one of those, what I call an every-guy comedian, and he comes across almost as nonchalant, laissez-faire. He doesn't care, but it couldn't be more opposite of that, but he delivers it well. So, yeah, I like him a great deal.

He's a great writer, too. I recently learned, and I'm late to the party on it, but how good of a writer Danny McBride is. I didn't realize all the stuff that he had written. Have you seen The Righteous Gemstones yet? No, I haven't. Have you seen Eastbound and Down, Kenny Powers? Man, listen, if you get a chance, all right, go watch The Righteous Gemstones. It's new and current.

Okay. The cast is unbelievable. It's Danny McBride. It's Adam Devine. It's new and current. The cast is unbelievable. It's Danny McBride. It's Adam Devine. It's John Goodman. Right, right. Okay. I know what movie you're talking about.

I didn't see it, but I know exactly what you're talking about. Yeah. And that series, I think they only have two seasons now, maybe two or three. But it's outlandish. But Danny McBride wrote that. He wrote most of Eastbound and Down. And I just realized how good of a writer he is. Kind of like Shane Gillis in the fact that he acts as if he's a doofus,

you know, a dumbass all the time. But it couldn't be further from the truth, you know. And so the character they portray, very different in that regard. Have you seen Tires, his show that he has on Netflix? I did see some of that, yeah. It was pretty good. I thought Shane was great. I thought the show, it was okay.

I wasn't in love with it, but I did like it, and I loved his performance in it for sure. It's a good start for him. It's a great start, I think. Yeah, I agree. And are you familiar with Fahim Anwar? Who is Fahim Anwar? Tell me.

Maybe I am not by name though so he's he's i feel like he's really starting to make a name for himself now this is a guy that for the last few years when i go up to the hollywood comedy store i would see him perform okay um so he's a he's a paid regular there he actually put out uh a special on youtube probably about a year or so ago called the hat trick and it was uh you know him just doing because the company store in hollywood has the belly room upstairs and has the main room and then it has the original room so okay when he when he filmed it he filmed them record he filmed his set in each room and then he put it out in in one special oh that's cool

which is so it's like actually yeah and so he's doing it all himself. He's running into the room, plugging in his audio, trying to make it all work. But he's a really good writer. He's a really funny guy. He does some funny dancing things. Sometimes he plays his character. So he's a guy that, just check him out. Look up his name, Behemian Andoir. Behemian Andoir.

Okay, I am going to look that guy up and uh that's that's a great tip for me right there i i appreciate that i'm always looking for you know that next up and coming comic to get excited about it's always exciting to see somebody explode onto the scene you know uh yeah and sometimes it's exciting to see what what happens like god love him matt rife i mean now he's probably i guess he's rich now i don't know i mean he did it right he is uh but uh but he exploded on the scene and then boom you know i all of a sudden i couldn't get on tiktok without that dude being there you know i felt like he was going to show up on my milk carton you know uh but now all of a sudden he like a fart in a wind tunnel he's gone you know yeah i mean it's so it's weird how how that happens

uh or hock to a girl you know how fortunate now she's number two podcast next to joe rogan isn't that crazy well it's the insanity of what can happen you know what i'm saying i mean uh and look i don't i'm not talking about politics here, but if you think about J.D. Vance, for example, just like five years ago, this dude wrote a book. The book gets turned into a movie. Then he becomes a senator. And two years later, he's vice president. I mean, think about his life train right there, that last six, seven years. I mean, that's like a straight up line in the map.

Oh, for sure. Vice president. Yeah, right? Right? It's just crazy how things now with the access to people and the access to media and the access to all of these forms of getting out that these rises happen so fast, you know? I think Joe Rogan has, and not by himself, but has changed the podcast game for sure, you know i think joe ragan has uh and not by himself but has changed the podcast game for sure

you know yeah and you know it's a podcast that's still as consistent as ever i mean i was listening to the joe rogan experience when it first started when it was nothing yeah you know and um i mean i i remember one of my friends was like what are you listening to what are you listening to that guy for and then years later he's like i think you listening to? What are you listening to that guy for? And then years later, he's like, I think you're onto something with that. Because I learned about so many different people. I learned about so many different genres of things in my life. I like to say it like this.

Joe Rogan is like a TED Talk for real people. That's great. Because that's what he does. He researches his subject matter very well. He, he, he never comes across dumb about anything that he's talking about. Number two is he asked the best damn questions and he lets his guests talk. Yeah. And a lot of talk show hosts run their mouth too much. A hundred percent. They're just thinking about the next thought, not even

listening what their, their guests is about to say on their, on their own podcast. It's all about them for some reason. It's crazy. And he does very well with unpacking, so to speak. I know that's an old saying now, but, but he'll unpack it with them. You know, they'll say something and he'll take it and he really gets down to great questions and answers that other people may never get to because he knows how to properly mind to the depth he needs, you know? Oh, yeah. And I think that's his forte. Oh, for sure. You know, just watching because he had The Rock on, Dwayne Johnson, right?

And I just thought it was such a cool podcast because you only would see The Rock on like a late night show, maybe like Fallon or, you know, I don't even watch any of the late night shows. I don't either. But yeah, I know what you mean. You'd only see him in those celebrity Hollywood moments. Yeah. yeah sitting down on the couch knowing what five questions he's going to be asked yeah still pretending to be this this this guy that everybody is seeing in the movies and on tv but then when rogan brings him into his studio he's just a dude he's just a guy he's just a person and and he and you hear him cursing which you would never hear right on like on tv right you hear him cursing, which you would never hear on TV. You hear him talking about his upbringing,

and you really feel like at the end of the episode that you really got to know a person. Yeah, it was a valuable time that you spent, and you took something from it. It wasn't the five basic questions people always ask, and you're like, yeah, I've heard all this shit before, man. Give me something real. Yeah, and that's even one of the things that jay leno said what

after he had left the show uh and he stopped doing the late night show he was he was like i'm an old man i'm sitting down with you know 18 19 year old singers and female singers that i have nothing in common with i can't relate to them at all right so it was just getting to this a point for him where he was like disconnected just fake i gotta get out yeah and i could see that with him because he's that guy you know look he loves his cars that's the thing he loves and and you know he was a talk show but he was a comedian first you know and and i think that for him it may have run that course he's like just like, yeah, I don't need it anymore. I, on the other hand, hope that I could talk to an 18-year-old singer the rest of my damn life just to have the interview because it's cool to me.

And I think Rogan's the same way. Now, he probably is not going to interview many 18-year-olds because the depth there isn't quite developed most of the time. Right. Yeah. develop most of the time you know right yeah i mean you know but but he is just phenomenal with uh uncovering all those quotables that you end up with you know and and again i mean you look at joe rogan we were just talking about jd vance but look joe rogan you know he goes from being a comic he's hosting fear factor you know where you have to eat a horse penis to win the game. And then he becomes a popular personality. His podcast blows up.

He becomes the biggest podcaster in the world. Then he's best buds with Elon Musk. And now Elon Musk is now, hell, he's in the government, basically. Now Joe Rogan is one degree from picking up the phone and going hey don hey can i tell you what i'm thinking right now you know what i'm saying i mean think about that for a minute that's wild isn't it it's so wild and it's something i was actually thinking about that the other day because you know i just i just i listened to um that the most recent episode of uh the joe rogan experience when he just had Elon Musk on again.

But I remember the very first time that he had Elon Musk on and how different they both were. Yes. Right. Because it was the first time they were sitting down talking to each other. Elon knows that he's on, you know, the biggest podcast in the world. Rogan knows that he's got one of the biggest geniuses in the world. Yeah. And, you know, Rogan was kind of like very careful with the way he was asking questions he didn't want to sound like an idiot you know talking to this guy who's like a genius yeah and then when he would ask elon a question elon would always he took this long pause

it was so long that i always had to look to see if my phone stopped streaming i was going on here too man that's funny that you mentioned that because it was a very pregnant pause you know yep and like just really gathering his thoughts and laying it all out there the very last episode That too, man. That's funny that you mentioned that because it was a very pregnant pause, you know? Yep. And like just really gathering his thoughts and laying it all out there. The very last episode, now that they're boys. Yeah. Completely different. No, no.

There's no filters. Yeah. There's no filters. They were 100% themselves. They're talking over each other a little bit. There was no pause by Elon. He just, he was very calculated. He knew what he was going to say.

He's just, he's just very, it just very – it's amazing to see that. And then to see that now Elon is – Donald Trump just made him part of his team. He's in the government. I don't care what your background is or leanings are. If you can't see a value in the two people they just said here, what they're going to do is they're going to go and figure out where all this money we're spending is going and help us save some of it both of these guys are successful ceos vivek ramaswamy and elon musk uh and and uh come on man that's the most genius thing on the planet to do i'm sure there are a lot of people mad about it because guess what i don't know where all my tax dollars go but I know they ain't doing that good with them. Nope, absolutely not.

They're not even going to this country. They're going to other countries. Well, often they do, don't they? And so I think that probably a lot of people aren't going to like this idea very much. Because it's time to do it, though. We need to do it. Oh, yeah. I think just like on the last podcast, Elon Musk talking about how how hard it is to get things going because

There's so many levels of government that are set up to to check other other parts that he said It's like trying to throw a football to a Receiver on the field, but there's 450 people standing in between. Yeah. Yeah So I think that you know in each one of those departments, there's a level of corruption, there's a level of cover-up, there's a level of spending. And I think that it all needs to be checked. And I think that the money needs to be allocated to

better in this country. We need to have better roads. There's a lot of things that have to happen. If we can send $147 billion, $300 billion, whatever the numbers are, to another country and I'm not saying, hey, don't send money and help people. That's not making an argument pro or con that. But if you can do it there, you got to do it here.

You know, and you can't have, you know, the challenges we've got and send it over there and ignore these. It doesn't make sense to me, you know. Yeah. Well, yeah, I mean, we have we have you know under we have neighborhoods that aren't getting funded we have poor schools yes lack of education our education is dropping oh so many so much but the priorities aren't and you know aren't there anymore the ability to just be yeah as a kid you're you no matter what race gender or anything in the United States is,

work hard and you can be anything that you want to be. That's true. That all of a sudden kind of went away. Well, somebody told them it wasn't true anymore. And look, it is harder right now, especially the last few years the economy makes it real hard. But no, I mean, there's a reason people still fight to come here because you hear stories every day of people who come here start a business are successful

become wealthy uh the opportunities here are different than anywhere else and you're right there's no that opportunity can present itself to anyone from any walk of life right and i also think that people sometimes take it a bit like it's funny because when you're There's no, that opportunity can present itself to anyone from any walk of life. Right. And I also think that people sometimes take it, like it's funny because when you're born here and you have the advantages of living here, you don't realize, where they're struggling to survive, and then they make it to the United States, and then they have all the ability to really just thrive here, they do. And a lot of the times you see some of the most successful people,

they weren't born here, they were immigrants that saw the opportunity and took advantage of it. But because they value it. You know? Exactly. And when you're, education at some point from at least when i was a kid and i'm not saying listen they told me a lot of shit that wasn't even true when i was a kid now that i look at it you know over the years i'm like man you guys are up no good there but uh we we have gotten away from the critical components that are education and and it's

it's hurting uh society in general you know so yeah uh we've got to get back to to doing a better job uh with that for sure uh no doubt about it uh i think we dropped uh i mean i think we're we're in in a lower 25 30 range of of education level now but if you go to these other countries i always hear people say well i'm i'm gonna to leave. Okay, well, hey, man, I've traveled around, and there are some great countries out there. I'm not saying they're not. But if you really go travel and you really look at it, hey, they may not want you there. I mean, truly. I mean, look, Australia, you're hard-pressed to go over there.

You better have a clean record and everything right. Canada's almost the same. hard press to go over there you better have a clean record and everything right you know canada's almost the same you know if you don't you can't move to canada unless you have a contributing uh job you know something that brings to their economy uh but other than that you go to a lot of these countries and and yeah it sounds great to be in denmark until you're in denmark and you're like oh i can't do this i can't do that i can't get here i can't do this yeah no it's very different i mean going to denmark's like going to another city it's not even the size of a state you know yep yeah man that's crazy yeah but i just think that you know like the country i think we just need to reunite

again yes the country's been divided with the left and the right and the left and the right. And if it was your politician that became the president this year, good. I'm glad you're happy. If it's not, I'm sorry this time. But that's just the way that it works. But don't be upset about it. Don't be mad at the other side. Let's just unite and make this country a peaceful, loving, happy country.

I think that would be the best thing for everybody everybody we've got to get rid of the hate i i think i hope that what people realize the most after this is that look 20 on you know 10 on each side i don't care you know the farthest extremes you can go all they do is rabble rouse all they do is stir and they're every one of them every damn one of them are on the Internet. And they're loud. They stir shit up. They make people mad. But I think now if you look around and go, okay, wait, common sense didn't leave the country.

You know, 80% of us still get it. You know, we're just trying to get through the day, have a little leftover to have a beer or whatever, and enjoy our lives. And I think if you can respect everybody and understand that, then everybody will be all right. You know? Well said. Yeah. A hundred percent agree.

Well, my man, I hope we can get there. Yeah. I think we can. I think we can get there. I have a truly enjoyed talking to you, Sean.

Listen, tell people if they, I'm sure after watching this, people are going to be like, where can I get some Sean Baker in my life? How can they do that, Sean? They can follow me on Instagram at SeanBakerSaidIt. I spell my name different.

It's S-H-A-U-N. Very California of you, yes. SeanBakerSaidIt at Gmail, S-S-A-I-D-I-T. So like I said it, not you said it, I said it. Sean Baker said it on Instagram. And you can find my YouTube and some clips and stuff. Okay. On there as well.

So that's a good place to find me. Outstanding. Outstanding. And I assume if they're in the West Coast area, maybe they should take a look and see if you're performing. For sure. I usually put my dates on my social media. You can check me out at SeanBakerComedy.com. That's my website. performing for sure uh i'll put i usually put my dates on my social media um you can you can check me out at seanbakercomedy.com that's my website i always have my upcoming shows and

uh stuff going there yeah if you're in the southern california area i perform here every week multiple clubs um and then there are times where i leave uh leave the state i do want to say if you if you ever get a chance uh you might try to come to the loony bin here in little rock uh you know you probably have a great turnout here, man. We could talk about it in advance and kind of build that up. And, you know, that might be a lot of fun, be a good corridor for you. Maybe I would love that. All right, man.

Well, yeah, we'll, we'll, we'll connect up and exchange some information so I can get you in touch with the right people over there. But, uh, man, I've really enjoyed it. Ladies, gentlemen, Sean Baker, if you want him, there he is right there, baby. Thank you so much. Thanks for having me. I appreciate it. Great talk. Yeah, man. Great talk, man. I'll really enjoyed it. Ladies and gentlemen, Sean Baker, if you want him, there he is right there, baby. Thank you so much. Thanks for having me. I appreciate it. Great talk.

Yeah, man. Great talk, man. Talk to you soon, buddy. Bye-bye. Thank you, buddy. Take care.