Patrick and the People - Joe Exotic on Patrick and the People - Interview #2

Episode Date: December 5, 2024

Joe Exotic calls in to PATP and discusses further abnormalities in his case from admitted perjury to questionable behavior. Listen in! #joeexotic #tigerking #patrickandthepeople #angrypatrick #truecrimestories #truecrimecommunity #newevidence

Hello? Subject to monitoring at any time. To accept this call, press 5. To block this call, you may begin speaking now. Mr. Patrick. Hey, Joe. How are you, buddy? Not too bad. How are you doing? Man, I'm all right today. I'm all right.

How was the holiday for you there? Was it all right? Yeah, it's crazy. It's prison, you know? Yeah. And then our government acts like they're fucking broke because they don't give you shit for food. No? No, it's crazy. Man, that is.

Yeah, we can come up with, what, another $140 million to send Ukraine, but we can't feed an inmate in a federal prison. Yeah, I figured you were probably a little fired up about the pardon that happened. Well, that too, yeah. I mean, that's like a slap in the face to any American citizen that's ever been in jail or on probation for tax evasion or a gun charge, right? Right. No, absolutely. I mean, obviously, a lot of people are upset by that.

Yeah, it's insane. You know, but it's no different than Trump. You know, Trump pardoned Charles Kirshner, you know, his son-in-law's dad. You got to be in their little elite circle, or you got to be one of their criminals to get justice in this country? Well, sometimes it does certainly seem that way, doesn't it? It does. I've been looking at some of the evidence in your appeal here. I've been looking at some of the arguments that you guys are making in this appeal, and it's pretty interesting stuff in there, man. I mean, it sounds— You it's pretty interesting, uh, stuff in there,

man. I mean, you have to wonder why the hell I'm in prison. Well, I mean, there's some things in there that are, are pretty interesting. I was just reading about,

um, you know, the situation with the money and how that you had, uh, you know, navigated around him many times by saying, you know, I just don't have the money right now or whatever.

And then the, you know, and, and I never gave him any money, right. You know, I came up with an excuse. I knew something was wrong because Jeff Lowe was pushing this murder for hire too hard. Yeah. And, and, and Marinky kept saying, man, they're up to something. They're up to something. And did you ever watch the video of the undercover agent in the office I haven't seen that one yet I was I was reading through everything but go ahead well it's crazy because because you know the undercover guy goes well you know can you get us some guns in a flea market no can't do that well can you go to Walmart and get us some burner files?

No, can't do that. Well, and then, you know, just because they were standing in front of my office door and I knew that James, you know, and Jeff record each other and they just criminal plots all the time. So just out of curiosity, I said, well, what do you charge? $10,000? Well, I ain't got

$10,000. Okay, well, we'll do it for half. Well, I ain't got half. I said, the checkbook, you know, is $13,000 in the hole. I'll have to wait till I have baby tuggers born. That was my excuse all the time to get them the hell out of office. Right, right, right. Well, that's what I was reading. And then, you know, they just randomly wanted you to mail a phone that they had you send, right? Well, Alan came into office and he says, Jeff wants you to mail my phone to him. Okay. So I took it to the secretary and said, I didn't even have Jeff's address. I took it to the secretary and said, here, Jeff wants you to mail this to him.

Huh. And that was that? That was it. That was the end of it. Now, I saw... Okay, but see, what made it interstate commerce and made it a federal case is because he testified that I gave him the pizza phone to go to Florida and kill Carol.

And I took a picture of her address with that phone. I see. And if you read in there, they had that phone in the courtroom, but they didn't let us know that. And the text messages on that phone from Alan to his girlfriend, he said, where did you get this phone? And she says, I stole it from a pizza restaurant. Oh, really?

Yeah. But the government just let him sit there and lie. Huh. Well, I saw that it says that Glover committed perjury both during the grand jury and his trial testimony. And he admitted to it. Yeah, that he revealed it was scripted in advance by the government. But have you got to the part where he went one step further and took the lawyers to the zoo and showed them how they were going to kill me to start with?

Well, yeah, that's what was next, right? I mean, it's like, why has nobody been charged with nothing so what is it uh you know when you when you try to bring forth new evidence joe uh and and the court is you know not wanting to hear that or see what what is their argument against that evidence okay well okay judge polk in oklahoma city the judge okay first of all a lot of people don't understand that that judge was mine and Carol's civil judge in our lawsuits. Okay. And then he was my trial judge, and he was my sentencing judge, and he refused to excuse himself. Okay.

So when we filed that motion for a new trial with all the new evidence. Yeah. He sat on that for... This call is from a federal prison. He sat on that for 19 months, and then we had to file another motion to make him answer it, and then he denied it within two hours, just to make me sit in prison. Okay, and one of the arguments that the lawyers have is because they admitted to perjury and some of the Brady violations and stuff, by law, he should have gave me an evidentiary hearing. Okay. And he violated my rights by not doing that. And so in this appeal, is that part of the, what you're arguing is that, arguing is that the process wasn't followed properly to begin with?

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Absolutely. So we're asking for the case to be overturned or I'm allowed a new trial and out on bond or just dismiss the case because of the new evidence and the perjury. So who knows what else is going to happen. But, you know, it's crazy that we have that evidence of the government witnesses. And, you know, I haven't read the exact appeal all the way through,

but, you know, they were committing sex trafficking, bank fraud, identity theft, all during this investigation. And the federal wildlife agent covered all that up, so they would testify for him. So they ran interference on their own crimes just to try to get you coerced into this. You know, the whole thing was to get me out of the zoo so they could have the zoo, and nobody would believe me about all their bullshit they were pulling at the zoo because Lauren and Jeff were luring girls off the Internet

to the zoo with baby tigers, then drugging them and raping them at his cabin. Oh, really? Oh, yeah. Now, that part I didn his cabin. Oh, really? Oh, yeah. Now, that part I didn't know. Oh, it got so out of hand that Saf had to change the combination on the safe so Jeff couldn't get to ketamine. Wow.

That's insane. But if you look on joexoticofficial.com and those recordings, there's recordings there that Lauren recorded them fighting, admitting to raping girls you know what i don't understand and and i think this is really helping to shed light on it is it seems like that you know when you have someone who is incarcerated and they're in a situation like you are and and there is compelling, obvious new evidence that needs to be looked at. And it's not, you know, it takes a long time for that to happen. And you would think if you have someone that might be innocent, that should be your first priority, right? But that's the upsetting part.

Look, my lawyers have sent everything to the Department of Justice, to the Attorney General. They sent everything to the director of the FBI. They sent everything to the Department of Justice, to the Attorney General. They sent everything to the director of the FBI. They sent everything to the U.S. Attorney in Oklahoma City. Nobody cares. Nobody cares. So, I mean, but aren't they required to respond to your appeal request? I mean, they have to reply somehow, right? They have not responded to this date to anything.

Really? It's just ignored. So, you know, that's why I raise so much hell and I stay in the news so much, because surely to God, somebody on Trump's team is looking at this. Well, hopefully it's not. Yes, absolutely. I hope they're looking at that as well as, you know, anyone else who could be in that circumstance, because it's a terrible circumstance to be in. And obviously, you know, you're you're limited in what you can do. And, you know, the bad thing about the Department of Justice in that situation is they have an a never ending supply of money, whereas, you know, someone incarcerated does not. That's why when they arrested me, they kept me in solitary confinement for two years in

a county jail with no bond. So I couldn't help hire lawyers. I couldn't help build a case. I had to use public defenders and they threw me under the bus. Yeah. Yeah. No, I imagine they, I mean, what do they know? I mean, they're new and probably lots of challenges.

You know, and they get paid regardless. Yeah, of course. You know, whether you win or lose. Yeah. Their goal is to get you to plea out, see, but the minute I wouldn't plea, because they only charged me with one charge to start with, the minute I wouldn't plea, then they charged me with 20 more charges. Now, if you, in hindsight, if you could just plea to that one charge,

would you have done that? If I'd have known what I know today, I'd have been home already. Yeah, yeah, that's what I wondered. You know, in looking back. But why plead? I mean, that's why there's 40,000 people in prison. No, you're right. You're absolutely right.

They were forced to plea out. Well, that was the point i was getting ready to make is that you know if you watch a lot of these uh documentaries and exposes joe it's it's very common that you see that situation play out and yeah why why should i plead a murder for hire when i didn't do that right but then when you don't play ball they stack up a bunch of other things. I mean, look at Trump. He got 94 indictments. Right. No, that's fair. You're absolutely right about that.

That's how they play. If they can't get you one way, they'll stack you until they find something that's going to stick to the wall. Right, because really, they just want convictions. You know, that's what they want to wrap up, are convictions. That's how they get re-elected.

And that's where I was bitching so much about Brittany Griner over in Russia. You know, that we were bitching, our Justice Department, our president was bitching. This call is from a federal prison. She had a 99% conviction rate. Well, America's got a 98% conviction rate. Well, America's got a 98% conviction rate.

Yeah. But when you look at Brittany Griner or Paul Whelan or Trevor Reed, anytime they were in the courtroom or on camera, were they in orange jumpsuits, belly chained and shackled at the ankles and shit? No. They were in street clothes and they looked good. In America, dude, you're in an orange jumpsuit and you're chained up like a monkey the minute you hit the courtroom and you look guilty yeah it does i mean uh the the chains are a lot

aren't they yeah it does seem you know a little much uh to be honest with you i mean it particularly if i'm being honest someone such as yourself because my guess is you've not been a danger or threat to anyone in that institution at all. You know, from the point I was arrested at 55 years old, I never even had a speeding ticket. Yeah, and you were in law enforcement, for God's sake. Yeah. Yeah, and they gave me a life sentence.

That's crazy, man. I mean, it's just mind-boggling to think that that's how this played out, you know. Now, I also understand that there's some, according to this, some evidence about the condition, the health conditions of the tigers that were found buried that seemed to contradict what was said. It would have proved my point that they were ill, what was said. It would have proved my point that they were ill. Yeah.

And the USDA would have told me to put them down. But, you know, the thing that happened during my trial there was my USDA agent that made me put them down. According to public defenders, she could not be found to subpoena her. How do you not find a federal employee? What do you mean? You can't find, is she no longer a federal employee? What do you mean? Is she no longer a federal employee? No, she's still an inspector

to this day. But how do you not find a federal inspector when you need to subpoena her? But that was their excuse. That's crazy. Well, I'm sure that she didn't want to testify because she didn't want to lie under oath. Right. That seems like you should be able to compel that witness.

Of course you can find them. They have a federal job. On a new trial with real lawyers, we're going to. Yeah, right. I mean, you would have to compel that. So it just seems like to me that there's so many different failures on the part of the prosecution here that should open a door to at least, at the very least, an appeal being heard or a new trial. Yeah.

You know, before my trial, they already made a deal during my trial that I couldn't talk about Carol's missing husband, which is what started our argument. Yeah. Okay. That's what our fight was all about i couldn't bring up jeff and lowe with jeff and james and lauren what they were doing at the zoo raping people and credit card fraud i couldn't bring up nothing they wouldn't let me talk about nothing so the jury never heard my side right uh well i guess they what were they saying it was uh extraneous to the case matter right they're saying it was extraneous to the case matter, right? They're saying it doesn't apply to...

Hey, Patrick, this thing beeps, which means it's going to hang up in 30 seconds. But, hey, would next Tuesday be good for you? It would be great for me, Joe. Call, let's talk more. I'll put you down for 10 o'clock next Tuesday. That'll work. I'll talk to you at 10 o'clock next Tuesday, Joe.

Hey, send my people a link to this, right? I sure will, man. I'll get it to you. Okay. Thank you, Joe. Thanks. Bye-bye.