Patrick and the People - Joe Exotic on Patrick and the People - Interview #4

Episode Date: December 19, 2024

Joe Exotic calls in and dicusses further details on his cases, leaked emails and text messages between investigators and witnesses.

Hello? To monitoring at any time. To accept this call, press 5. To block this call, an all... You may begin speaking now. I think we got a better phone. Did you get a better one, Joe? I did.

Okay, good, good. Good to talk to you, man. How are you today? They never fix anything around here. I'm sure they don't. Hey, I did see that your team did release something, a new thing showing some text where they were talking about the setup for setting you up for the murder.

Oh, yeah. I mean, I have, now that I have their phones and everything, we have all the text messages where the federal agents told them how to lie. They all knew they were lying. Yeah. Yeah, I'm looking here,

and it's from Jeff Lowe, and it said he just asked me to talk to him again. I could completely effing set him up. I could do this. Yeah. Why am I still here, man? I don't get it. I mean, that's pretty crazy, man.

And who is this Matthew Bryant character? That's the federal fish and wildlife agent that helped him set me up. Yeah, that's what I thought. And see, we have emails now between him and Carol Baskin going clear back to 2016 setting this up. Is that right?

Yeah. Now, have you released those yet or you're just going through them now? Oh, God. All of that should be in that packet. Okay. Well, I saw they released this one separately Oh, God, all of that should be in that appeal. Out there in the packet? Okay. All right. Well, I saw they released this one separately, you know, by itself,

just to show people what was going on, you know, behind the scenes that they've never seen or heard before. Yeah, well, see, and I didn't have any of that for my trial, and the judge and the prosecutors and public defenders all made a deal before my trial started. I couldn't talk about Carol's husband missing. I couldn't talk about Jeff and James and what they're sex trafficking and raping people at the park and their credit card fraud and all that. I couldn't talk. They gagged me. I couldn't talk. They gagged me. I couldn't defend myself.

Right, right. They prevented you from bringing that evidence in that you feel like would have completely dishonored you. The jury from hearing this story, okay? You know, Jeff, you know, they admitted to putting perfume on my shoes that day they got me drug in the cage. Jeff had admitted to changing my medicine with illegal drugs and getting me fucked up in the cage, trying to get me killed. None of that came out because I couldn't talk.

So if the jury would have heard why Joe really left the zoo, it would have been a whole different story. Yeah. I bet it would have. a whole different story yeah yeah no i bet it would have i mean uh i mean it's crazy uh just looking at this i mean how many times the word set up is used but you know you know what's even crazier though is we got these presidents like president biden pardoning judges that have have wrongfully put people in minors in prison and what, got $54 million kickback from that? Well, definitely got paid for doing it. Yeah, I mean, that just came out.

You're right. And now the scumbag gets a pardon? Mm-hmm. No, you're absolutely right. Well, the rest of us sit in here and rot. And who was it again that you hurt, Joe, I'm trying to remember? Oh, yeah. I said, who was it again that you hurt, Joe, I'm trying to remember?

Oh, nobody. Yeah, nobody. Yeah, nobody. Yeah, there are no victims. Yeah, I euthanized five tigers, and I had permission from my inspector that we could not fine for trial. Right, right. What happened to him, by the way? Well, it's a woman.

Her name was Debbie Cunningham. Okay. She's still an inspector with the USDA. But you just couldn't get her. Well, according to my public defenders, we couldn't find her to subpoena her. Mm-hmm. Wow. Yeah, a federal employee.

Well, I'll tell you why. Because she didn't want to lie under oath. And she probably refused to testify because she wasn't going to lie. And, I mean, you subpoena someone they can refuse to testify? Well, I mean, when they're government inspectors and the public defenders are the ones issuing the subpoenas, and the prosecutors knew this was all a setup, they're not going to force her to come. I got you. Okay.

All right. Yeah, no, that makes sense, I guess. Yeah, I can understand that. Yeah, you can bet if I get a new trial, we're going to force her to come. Well, yeah, no, I would imagine so. I mean, there's so many different angles of evidence here that it's just hard to understand how no one has, you know, gotten with you about at least the minimum a new trial, man. I mean, it just seems silly. trial, man. I mean, it just seems silly.

Yeah, I mean, I've been sitting over two years waiting on this appeal for a new trial. Now, what about Carol Baskin? Is she just gone on and doing whatever and no one's saying anything at all about her and the

conditions the cats were in there and all of that? I mean, it... Nope. Nope. She's scot-free this call is from a federal unbelievable man patrick if if i had my computers man i would show you so much stuff and and you might be able to see some of it on my youtube channel there was some things where i i did called joe exotic speaks out okay search Search that in my YouTube, in my videos. Okay. Okay.

And Carol's little group of friends, the Global Federation of Animal Sanctuaries, where my cats are now, okay, spread out throughout all of them. Yeah. And they're charging 50 bucks a person to see them. Yeah. You should see. Every one of the places are falling down. Wow.

I know when they were showing the conditions at Carroll's situation, it did not look good. It did not look like it was a sanctuary of any kind there. No, but it depends on how many politicians

you donate money to. Right, I guess it does. I guess you're absolutely right. Do you have any congressmen, senators, anybody who you've got their ear and maybe they're trying to help at all? Well, I have former Congressman Gates, Matt Gates. Yeah.

I have Congresswoman Boebert. Okay. And I have Marco Rub Boebert. Okay. And I have Marco Rubio. Okay. And then, you know, that pardon47.gov that's out there now? Yes. The head guy of that has me on the top of the list. Okay.

So you're still hoping, still pushing, still trying to get it done. We are still trying to get it done. And my team were supposed to release a press release today to Governor Stitt because, you know, I want to know how come the OSBI has never opened up an investigation on them admitting to conspiracy to murder me while I was a new gubernatorial candidate? Yeah, yeah, while you were running for office there. Yeah, I mean, they admitted it on world television that they were going to kill me. Why has nobody been investigated or charged? No, I mean, that's a great question,

and at least it merits an answer of some kind at the very minimum. Now, do you think that, do you have hope that, let's say, you know, Biden leaves and, you know, right now, as it looks now, you haven't been pardoned by him, but let's, you know, we'll hope know i have a i have a clemency application on his desk uh do i would it be a miracle if he did yeah but am i looking forward to it no i don't think he will because he just did 1500 and not one of them were in prison right do you think that uh though when when trump gets in that there's a possibility possibility that he might do it early instead of waiting? Well, you know, he's promised to do all the January 6th years and stuff on day one. Yeah.

On January 21st. And everybody that I have pushing for me, including my attorneys that are representing 35 January Sixers, are shooting to have me in that. So they're trying to get you included in that grouping at the same time. Yeah. Yes. So, you know, what do they think? I mean, they're dealing with the Jan Sixers.

I mean, what do they think the prospects are? Do they feel optimistic? You know, nobody knows because, you know, everybody's scared to get too positive about it because, you know, I was on the pardon list in 2020, and he skipped half of us. Now, in 2020, how long had you been there in 2020? A couple years? I got arrested in 18. Okay, so about two years at that point.

So maybe at that time, you know, he didn't know the other evidence, and you hadn't been there very long. So maybe now, you know, obviously it's years later, and there's a lot more evidence. Maybe, you know, he'll take an actual look. We're open. We're open. I reached out to Alice Marie Johnson, the black lady that he pardoned. Because she's now advocating for criminal justice reform,

and she has a list of people she's recommending for a pardon too. So I'm trying to get a hold of her. Trying to get out to her yeah now let me ask last time i spoke with you um you know you you'd been in a a solitary confinement for four days uh things were pretty hot uh but also you had told me that george uh because of that uh uh the tattoo needle that was found in the groceries was in trouble. Yeah, they actually let that slide. This call is from a federal prison.

And I went and talked to all the higher-ups and admitted that I gave them that bag and I got it out of the storeroom when they packed my stuff. And I should have looked in the bag, but I didn't look in the bag to go through what people put in there. Yeah. And they didn't make a big deal about it. Well, that's good then, right?

I mean, that's a positive. So George is okay. He's not in solitary, locked away from you or anything like that. No, no. He's over in another unit and we see each other all day long. Okay. Rick, yeah, he's still good. Okay, that's good.

I was just, last we spoke, I was a little bit concerned that maybe, you know, he'd have been put in solitary as well or something. Hey, you never know. You never know around here, you know? No, I mean, that's crazy. The mystery of the tattoo needle. We're trying to get all of his lawyers connected because he had public defenders out of McAllen, Texas. Okay.

And they don't do anything anymore because his case is over. But they won't release any information, and the new lawyer won't start the ball rolling and tell the old lawyers, tell him that he files an appearance and it's okay. So we're trying to get all that squared away right now. So that you can get everything worked out before he's out and get married so he's not deported. Is that correct? Yeah, it's open. You know, I'm hoping that I beat him out.

Yeah. Because that way I can figure out where we're going to live and stuff. If he beats me out, who knows what the hell is going to happen. Yeah. So if he is deported, what are you going to do then when you get out? Are you going to go wherever he is? I'm going to Mexico. I'm going to Mexico.

Yeah. I can understand that. Yeah. Yeah. No. Yeah. If we can't keep him in America with an asylum or whatever, I'll go to Mexico until we do.

I got you. I got you. No, I understood. I understood. Where in Mexico is he from, Joe? He's from Sonora, Mexico, which is kind of a rough place. Yeah? I want to go down closer to Belize on that side where it's prettier and the ocean.

Yeah, now everybody wants to go to Belize, man. You can go into the caves and, you know, it's a lot of cool, amazing things there. I've been there one time, what a beautiful place. Did you go into the caves and stuff when you were there, Joe? I did. I took the river raft through the caves. How awesome was it? It was amazing.

It was absolutely amazing. Go through the jungle and the raft through the caves and everything. You get to see wild spider monkeys and all kinds of stuff. Yeah, it was great. I bet it was great, man. I bet it was great. So when you do get out, and let's say stuff. Yeah, it was great. I bet it was great, man. I bet it was great.

So when you do get out, and let's say when, not an if, when, when you do get out, you know, other than, you know, getting together with your man, what are you most looking forward to? What do you most want to do? Do you want to go get a burger? Do you want a tattoo? What do you want? My biggest thing is I want to testify in front of Congress about what goes on in here.

Yeah, that's the big thing. So you want to get out and become an advocate for reform. That's my goal. Yes, this has to change. Because there's nothing that helps anything about this. People sit around all day long doing drugs and drinking, and it fixes nothing. So if you're in here more than five years, chances are you're going to be shit, worthless when you get out. So let's say that you did get out and you become an advocate.

What's an idea that you have that you think would be good to be implemented? More programs. Okay. You know, more things to do. You know, they're so short of staff, they just lock you up in a building all day. Right. So more classes, more activities, you know, more things like that.

Patrick, this is fixing to hang up on us again. All right, man. Well, I'll talk to you next Tuesday. I'll call you next Tuesday, buddy. All right, man. Well, I'll talk to you next Tuesday. I'll call you next Tuesday, buddy. All right, man. Bye-bye. Bye-bye.